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10 [00:08:49] <Deicide4u> Any love for Wayland here? :)
11 [00:09:43] <BCMM> Deicide4u: i'm just waiting for KWin to support middle-click pasting on Wayland
12 [00:09:45] <BCMM> :(
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14 [00:10:44] <Deicide4u> Yeah, kWin Wayland support is still lacking
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19 [00:12:01] <Deicide4u> But on GNOME, I am seeing no difference between Xorg and Wayland sessions. Maybe only whenthere's a crash, lol
20 [00:12:36] <BCMM> in my fairly limited testing, it's pretty much perfect, except that i can't use it for more than five minutes before i try to paste something and get frustrated
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22 [00:13:18] <Deicide4u> dose the standard ctl+v work?
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24 [00:13:58] <Deicide4u> Good that I never got used to middle-click pasting, then haha
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47 [00:27:32] <Neepu> @BCMM the driver is located in /var/lib/firmware/brcm/<drivername>.bin
48 [00:28:13] <Neepu> In the journalctl logs, i could see that the system failed to Raise my network interfaces, and 4-5 seconds later inform me about the firmware loaded
49 [00:29:20] <Neepu> It has a couple of errors loading, because the firmware is not really meant for my wifi card but it is functional and works out with iw and hostapd
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51 [00:30:00] <Neepu> That doesnt work out, when my br0 device tries to start hostapd through post-up (which requires my wlp4s0 device to be available)
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56 [00:31:55] <Deicide4u> Neepu: which device you're having trouble with? Maybe you need broadcom-sta-dkms driver package
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59 [00:33:22] <Neepu> replaced-url
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63 [00:36:05] <manuelschneid3r> is there a way to sandbox apps?
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65 [00:36:08] <Deicide4u> Neepu: Ok, there must
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68 [00:36:17] <Deicide4u> be another way
69 [00:36:28] <Neepu> replaced-url
70 [00:36:33] <manuelschneid3r> I mean such that you dont have to worry that it touches your stuf
71 [00:36:35] <manuelschneid3r> +f
72 [00:37:07] <Neepu> Here are the logs from journalctl, that indicate that "Raise network failed" and immideatly after the brcmfmac firmware gets loaded
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75 [00:40:03] <Neepu> if i insert "up sleep 30" in my br0 configuration, everything works again.. there must be a better way to do this
76 [00:40:26] <Dudududududo> Anyone who's been using or has used the unstable nvidia-driver (418.56-1) on experimental? If so how unstable is it currently?
77 [00:40:48] <Dudududududo> Well not unstable driver but experimental
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109 [01:26:16] <Sveta> I am looking for a debian supporting desktop computer (no third party firmwares etc) with 16GB of ram. Where can I buy this for cheap/
110 [01:26:19] <Sveta> ?
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125 [01:35:00] <somiaj> Sveta: Are you comfortable building your own machine? There are also what is called 'bare bones machines', these cases often give you a desktop for cheaper than say getting a 'dell' or equivlant.
126 [01:35:30] <somiaj> as for ensuring no firmware, just be careful on the components. Though I woudln't say you completely avoid firmware (it will exist on your intel or amd processor, so using updated microcode is suggested)
127 [01:36:27] <somiaj> But if you say go with an intel mobo, intel graphics card, and non wifi intel ethernet card, and you should be fine on the firmware aspect.
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131 [01:43:34] <OerHeks> replaced-url
132 [01:43:51] <OerHeks> see the part non-free firmware required
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140 [01:47:56] <BCMM> Sveta: how are you defining "third party" firmware?
141 [01:48:13] <BCMM> Sveta: is stuff that's available in debian non-free ok?
142 [01:49:05] <BCMM> imho it's well worth distinguishing between non-free drivers (sets potential restrictions on kernel upgrades, potentially causes stability issues that are impossible to debug, etc.) and just non-free firmware
143 [01:50:03] <BCMM> just about every hardware device that isn't true open-source hardware has non-free firmware; i personally don't see much reason to treat the small subset that loads it from disk differently from the majority that load it from a built-in ROM
144 [01:50:25] <BCMM> (unless *particularly* onerous licensing conditions make it difficult to get access to the firmware your hardware requires, of course)
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147 [01:53:40] <somiaj> And I personally would rather update some user loaded file than flash my hardware if the manfacuture produces a bug/security fix
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149 [01:55:49] <OerHeks> somiaj, i misread, i thought you wanted no non-free firmware, that comes with fwupdate replaced-url
150 [01:56:44] <somiaj> I don't try to avoid non-free firmware myself, this was more in response to Sveta question.
151 [01:57:42] <somiaj> There are purely open systems out there, using only open/free firmware, but the hardware for this is rare and often more expensive. Mostly you buy hardware, it comes with non-free firmware flashed on it at a minimum (some requires additional non-free firmware loaded from userland)
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187 [02:25:08] <zerocool> guys i have converted a vm disk from qcow2 to vmdk, imported into exsi, booted... and it's dropping me into initramfs, seems to be looking for /dev/vda (paravirtual disk) but from /dev i only see /dev/sd*
188 [02:25:35] <zerocool> previously (in kvm) it was seen as /dev/vd*
189 [02:25:57] <zerocool> this is the 4th vm from here that i have moved, first time i have ever seen this.
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193 [02:27:53] <zerocool> grub looks for uuid, fstab uuid, everything uses uuid, i see the uuid here from blkid
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195 [02:28:52] <zerocool> i can mount /dev/sda* and it's all there, everything looks good... any ideas on how to get this thing to show up as /dev/vda or whatever?
196 [02:29:47] <zerocool> also the reason for dropping my into initramfs "ALERT! /dev/vda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!"
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202 [02:35:28] <zerocool> `cat /proc/cmdline` reads `BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz*amd64 root=/dev/vda1 ro queit` though
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206 [02:43:33] <zerocool> so i did find the line in grub causing it to use vda1 over sda1 or uuid but im not sure why that's there
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211 [02:52:09] <zerocool> oh well problem solved
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346 [03:11:16] <BCMM> somiaj: hang on, are there actually full free-hardware systems that are actually usable for everyday computing?
347 [03:11:41] <BCMM> i thought even the free CPU efforts used things like proprietary USB controllers and the like
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371 [03:34:19] <Sveta> BCMM: yes debian non-free is ok. not excellent but i am ok with it
372 [03:34:43] <Sveta> somiaj: yes i can build my own, but i don't know what parts to buy
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453 [04:35:24] <rj1> debian buster release? im excited
454 [04:36:00] <rant> replaced-url
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456 [04:36:31] <rj1> !
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467 [04:44:17] <tarzeau> rj1: i'm to be relieved to support older versions of software!
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496 [05:21:44] <ryouma> rj1: did we miss something?
497 [05:21:51] <ryouma> seems like lots of bugs still
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499 [05:22:26] <rj1> nope, just me being silly :)
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501 [05:26:41] <ryouma> regarding specing a computer, some have recommended getting a non-intel wifi card if you are getting an intel processor, to prevent intel from matching evil wifi with evil processor or so.
502 [05:26:46] <ryouma> or something*
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507 [05:30:50] <LincKraker> howdy everyone. i'm looking for a program to manage multiple monitors. specifically i'm looking for something that can move programs from one monitor to another on keyboard shortcut.
508 [05:31:19] <rant> they typically call such programs, "window managers" :P
509 [05:31:31] <rant> ,i wmctrl
510 [05:31:32] <judd> Package wmctrl (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: control an EWMH/NetWM compatible X Window Manager. Version: 1.07-7+b1; Size: 21.0k; Installed: 57k; Homepage: replaced-url
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512 [05:32:50] <LincKraker> that looks like it will support desktop switching not monitor
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514 [05:35:57] <LincKraker> i have four monitors in a 2x2 setup 2 high and 2 low. the 2 low is the normal stuff i use. browser text editor terminal email and the like. the stuff on the top monitors are things i seldom use but i want to be able to glace at. documentation. network monitoring. blah. i want to hit a keyboard command and move the programs from the bottom monitors to the top and from the top to the bottom quickly
515 [05:36:46] <rant> wmctrl
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520 [05:39:50] <rant> xdotool can also move a window
521 [05:39:58] <rant> ,i xdotool
522 [05:39:59] <judd> Package xdotool (x11, extra) in stretch/amd64: simulate (generate) X11 keyboard/mouse input events. Version: 1:3.20160805.1-3; Size: 53.2k; Installed: 122k; Homepage: replaced-url
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524 [05:40:05] <jcb2016> im trying to get wifi working on this laptop boradcom im tethering from my iphone and the connection is slow. can i install the drivers without internet?
525 [05:40:40] <LincKraker> thats promising.
526 [05:42:18] <rant> if you have 4 displays that are 1024x1024 in two rows, you have a 2048x2048 desktop.. 0,0-1024,1024 is the top left, 1025,1025-2048,2048 is the bottom right screen, etc
527 [05:42:53] <LincKraker> I WISH. 3 monitors are 1440x900 and the top right (mostly used for camera monitoring) is 1280x1024
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530 [05:45:58] <LincKraker> the problem is they use window IDs to do this. with 600+ cameras each with a diff window ID i think its impossible... or very time consuming for the intern
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538 [05:48:33] <LincKraker> thanks rant gave me a starting point for my research.
539 [05:49:24] <rant> xdotool getactivewindow windowmove 100 100
540 [05:49:42] <rant> I gave you the end point, you're just too far away to see it clearly :P
541 [05:49:57] <LincKraker> i want to move like 6 windows at once
542 [05:50:11] <LincKraker> and never the same 6 windows
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545 [05:51:23] <LincKraker> usually i want to move 4 cameras (which are very seldom the same hour to hour) and two other windows
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582 [06:17:03] <Kalboob> any body like to do a Konversation with me ?
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633 [07:00:39] <jcb2016> can you install drivers from a live/usb offline?
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635 [07:02:32] <milkt> jcb2016: which driver?
636 [07:03:03] <jcb2016> milkt: one sec i think the thering of my iphone is working im installing the wl driver right now one sec
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638 [07:05:00] <jcb2016> milkt: i loaded the driver with modprobe wl is something suppose to happen should i be able to connect to wireless?
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640 [07:08:17] <milkt> i don't know much about it. i think you can connect wireless after correct driver is installed, or reboot after installation
641 [07:08:39] <jcb2016> can't reboot if i reboot all changes will be lost im booting from a live/usb
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664 [07:23:08] <milkt> jcb2016: there is also unofficial live image with non-free driver firmware, if that is what you need: replaced-url
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670 [07:29:04] <diogenes_> milkt, i doubt that one will, last time i tried it had no wl driver included.
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673 [07:30:58] <milkt> i see, i suggested it because it supported 2 of my laptops which require non-free driver
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696 [08:06:36] <Terminus> hello guys. i've got a bog standard debian install except for the fact that i've turned on timed login in /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf. it auto logins just fine but it just shows me replaced-url
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698 [08:08:12] <Terminus> manual login on another account shows the desktop immediately
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871 [10:46:28] <spaceone> got one
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920 [11:20:42] <sinkmanu> hi, I have installed the latest kernel from stretch-backports but It is not detecting the nvidia drivers when starts and i do not have graphic interface, should I perform a dpkg-reconfigure, right?
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981 [12:02:35] <bruhbruh> sinkmanu: why are you installing the latest kernel?
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1027 [12:41:47] <Wulf> Hello. Where should I report a bug against a backports package?
1028 [12:41:49] <Wulf> normal bug tracker?
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1030 [12:44:05] <Wulf> never mind, a bug report already exists
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1066 [13:07:11] <no_gravity> Good Morning
1067 [13:07:30] <no_gravity> When I connect a monitor with hdmi and speakers to a laptop with minidisplay port, will it have sound?
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1073 [13:10:50] <wwilliam> I have a dir /shared with following permissions and ownership: drwxrwsr-- 8 root shared 106 Apr 18 06:59 /shared/
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1075 [13:11:04] <wwilliam> How do i make every new files or directory created inside /shared to have ownership user:shared and permissions 774?
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1082 [13:13:58] <no_gravity> wwilliam: via chmod and chown.
1083 [13:14:16] <wwilliam> Is that the only way?
1084 [13:14:26] <no_gravity> wwilliam: What way would you prefer?
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1086 [13:14:38] <wwilliam> im gonna be running a script that needs those settings in that dir.
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1090 [13:15:08] <wwilliam> The script needs to be run by any user
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1092 [13:15:23] <no_gravity> wwilliam: So?
1093 [13:15:27] <wwilliam> the script is located in /usr/local/bin
1094 [13:15:34] <wwilliam> this is the script :
1095 [13:15:40] <wwilliam> !paste
1096 [13:15:40] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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1098 [13:17:09] <wwilliam> replaced-url
1099 [13:17:37] <petn-randall> wwilliam: You can also user extended ACLs which are set and checked with getfacl/setfacl.
1100 [13:17:38] <wwilliam> as you can see some new files are created I need those files to be accesible by anyone
1101 [13:18:35] <wwilliam> I will add to the script the chown and chmod for those new files. Thank you all.
1102 [13:18:48] <petn-randall> wwilliam: You might want to split those long lines to shorter ones for readability, btw.
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1104 [13:19:27] <wwilliam> petn-randall: can you suggest how please? thank you sample?
1105 [13:19:40] <Greyztar_> im a little lost in the buzz words,anyone could virtual networking be defined as software defined networking?
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1108 [13:24:20] <no_gravity> How do I tell Debian to use the speakers of my monitor and not the ones of my laptop?
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1110 [13:25:23] <shtrb> no_gravity, you can select output in pulse audio control (pavucontrol ) for example
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1112 [13:26:04] <no_gravity> shtrb: pavucontrol is not installed. I wonder if there is a way without installing packages.
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1114 [13:26:27] <shtrb> Are you using pulseaudio ?
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1116 [13:26:41] <no_gravity> shtrb: I don't know.
1117 [13:26:48] <shtrb> what desktop envoirment are you using ?
1118 [13:27:01] <no_gravity> shtrb: Gnome
1119 [13:27:08] <no_gravity> shtrb: Mate to be exact.
1120 [13:27:59] <no_gravity> Ha, I turned off the internal speakers in sound preferences and now it uses the external ones!
1121 [13:28:07] <no_gravity> There is a lot of hiss though.
1122 [13:28:28] <shtrb> In your audio mixer , you should have a tab to select default output
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1125 [13:28:38] <no_gravity> I have an audio mixer?
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1127 [13:28:58] <petn-randall> wwilliam: Just add newlines where possible to split those 200+ character long lines up. I also think you're calling bash a bit too often:
1128 [13:29:07] <no_gravity> It seems the hiss is added by the monitor.
1129 [13:29:10] <petn-randall> screen -dmS nc bash -c 'cd "$1" && find "$5" -maxdepth 1 -type f -name "*$7*" -exec cp -v -- {} "$8" \;;exec bash' bash "$wdir" "$user" "$host" "$ncdir" "$ncmntpnt" "$pword" "$jid" "$ncdest"
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1131 [13:30:13] <no_gravity> Maybe the output is inteded to drive speakers, not headphones ...
1132 [13:31:27] <no_gravity> Maybe I should get some small passive speakers then.
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1136 [13:33:53] <EdePopede> when i plug in the headphones the line out becomes "unplugged". seems PA only supports one output at a time. with only alsamixer it was possible to set both indipendently.
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1145 [13:38:35] <adac> My old redmine docker image complains with:
1146 [13:38:39] <adac> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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1151 [13:43:19] <bhuddah> adac: check the topic.
1152 [13:43:29] <petn-randall> !bat
1153 [13:43:29] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1154 [13:43:37] <petn-randall> adac: Can you provide all of the above info? ^
1155 [13:43:40] <wald0> why is not gksu available in buster?
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1157 [13:44:22] <petn-randall> wald0: running X11 apps as root is considered deprecated.
1158 [13:44:44] <wald0> huh
1159 [13:44:56] <wald0> and so how to run things with privileges?
1160 [13:45:25] <adac> petn-randall, basically this is my Dockerfile:
1161 [13:45:28] <adac> replaced-url
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1163 [13:45:43] <petn-randall> adac: That wasn't the question, though.
1164 [13:46:05] <wald0> i wonder how the package managers are then run on desktops, hmm...
1165 [13:46:30] <petn-randall> wald0: modern implementations use policykit to request fine-grained permissions.
1166 [13:46:37] <adac> petn-randall, yes I will provide you the output
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1170 [13:48:13] <adac> petn-randall, this is the output when I build my dockerfile:
1171 [13:48:16] <adac> replaced-url
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1173 [13:49:53] <adac> apt-cache policy
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1175 [13:49:56] <adac> replaced-url
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1179 [13:50:58] <adac> petn-randall, apt-cache policy packages
1180 [13:51:02] <adac> replaced-url
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1182 [13:52:56] <domovoy> hi
1183 [13:53:12] <petn-randall> adac: "Temporary failure resolving [...]"
1184 [13:53:20] <petn-randall> adac: Sounds like your network is not properly set up.
1185 [13:53:23] <domovoy> using debian 9, i installed pdns-server and pdns-backend-pgsql. I also have a kerberos KDC configured, and pgsql server that uses GSSAPI/kerberos for authentication. Any way to configure the pgsql backend to use GSSAPI for authentication? Or do i have to resolve login/password?
1186 [13:53:36] <adac> petn-randall, strange. I will check thanks
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1199 [13:58:15] <adac> petn-randall, I restarted my local docker daemon and that helped
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1201 [13:58:20] <adac> thanks for the support!
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1203 [13:59:07] <petn-randall> adac: Glad I could help!
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1397 [16:18:05] <EdePopede> i was just running into mc's move/rename operation again. there's always a problem when trying to move a directory to some other location where a directory with the same name exists. of the 3 options (merge, make it subdir, ask) it does the first. but not simply move the top dir, it acts like it would while moving to another fs: copy everything and then delete the original.
1398 [16:18:05] <EdePopede> same for renaming it to something existing $here. but in that case it will move it into it. then i looked for commands serving the same purpose. `mv` of cours, then there's `rename` - an alternative choosing between util-linux's `rename.ul` and one of 2 perl commands `file-rename` and `prename`, where the .ul version isn't even listed as alternative. should it have been or is there a reason to omit it?
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1487 [17:11:54] <kyych> hello
1488 [17:12:10] <kyych> I just wonder, is that right if using sid i still have 4.19 kernel version?
1489 [17:12:24] <kyych> i heard that new ubuntu has 5.0
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1492 [17:13:50] <petn-randall> ,kernsl
1493 [17:13:52] <petn-randall> ,kernels
1494 [17:13:53] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (4.19.28-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.144-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.144-3.1~deb8u1); wheezy-
1495 [17:13:54] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
1496 [17:14:05] <petn-randall> kyych: yes
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1500 [17:16:27] <EdePopede> 5 is in experimental stage replaced-url
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1502 [17:16:33] <rander2> hello all
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1504 [17:17:00] <petn-randall> hi rander2
1505 [17:17:00] <jelly> kyych, 4.19 is a longterm branch, 5.0 is not
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1511 [17:18:21] <rander2> what hashing algoritm use debian 9.5 in /etc/shadow ?
1512 [17:18:25] <jelly> kyych, during freeze sid basically does not get new kernel versions, only those destined for the upcoming release
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1516 [17:19:10] <jelly> rander2, GNU libc crypt() $6$ SHA-512 based one by default.
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1519 [17:20:51] <rander2> ok, what mean $6$ , the top of the string ?
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1522 [17:21:28] <jelly> rander2, man 3 crypt
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1525 [17:22:00] <rander2> ok, but my strings have 67 chars
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1527 [17:22:46] <asdfwaef> Hi, I tried joining #linux but it said I needed an invite. Is it okay to ask newbie questions here?
1528 [17:22:52] <jelly> rander2, what it starts with is important
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1532 [17:23:29] <jelly> size of hashed result may vary at least in some alogs
1533 [17:23:31] <avu> asdfwaef: as long as it's about a problem you have using Debian, your question is welcome here
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1542 [17:26:07] <rander2> jelly, ok, $6$ is sha512 , $5$ sha256 ,etc..
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1544 [17:26:31] <rander2> $1$ is md5
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1546 [17:27:13] <cusco> hey.. One of my machines doesn't like the usb keyboard while its booting
1547 [17:27:25] <cusco> it works fine on grub... but after .. nothing
1548 [17:27:31] <cusco> I don't currently have a ps2 keyboard
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1552 [17:27:41] <cusco> it seems to be taking a long time on fsck
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1554 [17:28:16] <cusco> I read somewhere that booting with options noapic and nolapic would get me the keyboard...
1555 [17:28:19] <cusco> didn't
1556 [17:28:37] <cusco> thing is.. screen goes blank and I can'0t see if fsck is asking user input or any progress
1557 [17:28:40] <jelly> rander2, all of those are salted, iterative variants that merely use those hash algos in each iteration. They're not a simple sha-512 or md5 of hash and salt.
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1559 [17:29:36] <jelly> rander2, even the $1$ one is still rather safe.
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1561 [17:31:30] <rander2> jelly, depends on the cracking speed , sure md5 is more fast than sha512
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1563 [17:32:14] <rander2> from the number of attempts per second and from the collisions
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1565 [17:33:11] <rander2> what is the difference from sha512 and sha512 used in crypt() ?
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1571 [17:35:31] <jelly> rander2, replaced-url
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1582 [17:41:00] <petn-randall> cusco: Likely it's unrelated to fsck, I'm rather guessing that it's related to resolution switching.
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1585 [17:43:15] <cusco> petn-randall: yes it is not related to fsck, nor did I mean to imply that
1586 [17:43:26] <cusco> the thing is I have no way of interacting with it...
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1601 [17:51:53] <jelly> rander2, if you're interested in crypto, there was an analysis recently replaced-url
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1606 [17:53:03] <rander2> jelly, ok, I'm not so expert in cryptology
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1665 [18:27:09] <tya99> hah reading this thread on debian-user replaced-url
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1667 [18:27:31] <tya99> it makes me wonder how companies handle this when they merge, somewhere i read it was massive annoyance when facebook/whatsapp networks merged
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1674 [18:30:43] <gbe> hi, every other linux irc I've seen suggested in forums for the past 5+ years is deserted. What arch linux or general linux newb irc's are there that are populated?
1675 [18:31:23] <jelly> tya99, one must fall
1676 [18:31:26] <nksegos> gbe, try ##linux
1677 [18:31:38] <gbe> that one was invite only I think
1678 [18:31:46] <nksegos> nope
1679 [18:31:50] <jelly> tya99, multiple layers of NAT in the meantime
1680 [18:32:00] <tya99> nksegos: there's reddit r/linuxnoobs
1681 [18:32:12] <tya99> there is also replaced-url
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1683 [18:32:17] <dax> #archlinux and ##linux, both require being logged in ot NickServ
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1685 [18:32:24] <cryptodan> irc networks or irc clients>
1686 [18:32:44] <jelly> isn't #archlinux like the largest channel on this network
1687 [18:32:47] <gbe> replaced-url
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1690 [18:33:11] <tya99> gbe: yeah requires registration with nickserv
1691 [18:33:13] <tya99> that's all
1692 [18:33:17] <tya99> cos otherwise spammers go in there
1693 [18:33:23] <tya99> and freenode was having issues with that a while back
1694 [18:33:33] <tya99> /msg nickserv help
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1696 [18:34:42] <mtn> gbe: there is #archlinux-newbie
1697 [18:34:51] <jelly> gbe, did you get my PM an hour back when your nick was asdfwaef, with pointers to NickServ?
1698 [18:34:52] <gbe> i don't wanna waste reddits time with really small tbh, I'm just getting started and have about a million very general questions
1699 [18:34:53] <tya99> also /r/archlinux too on reddit
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1701 [18:35:03] <tya99> gbe: oh fair enough
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1703 [18:35:14] <tya99> gbe: makes sure you RTFM :) archlinux is good with that
1704 [18:35:26] <tya99> particularly the install manual (i use archlinux mostly)
1705 [18:35:37] <gbe> tya99 thanks #archlinux-newbie looks like what I'm after haha
1706 [18:35:44] <tya99> yeah that too
1707 [18:35:57] <coyotibos> anybody know how to change the window color for just one program? my hexchat color transformation is almost complete..
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1711 [18:36:09] <tya99> coyotibos: would depend on the window manager
1712 [18:36:20] <coyotibos> openbox
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1715 [18:36:29] <coyotibos> thx for responding
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1717 [18:36:41] <tya99> look at your openbox dox then
1718 [18:37:01] <tya99> i use i3wm so i don't know how to do it in openbox :P
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1720 [18:37:18] <coyotibos> ok
1721 [18:37:20] <tya99> hopefully swaywm soon!
1722 [18:37:20] <coyotibos> thx
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1724 [18:38:37] <coyotibos> swut?
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1745 [18:54:13] <Tenkawa> well tonight should be interesting.. I'm going to put Debian on an headless AtomicPI server
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1747 [18:55:17] <Tenkawa> I'll probably build it with hdmi first then remove the display afterwards
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1749 [18:55:35] <Tenkawa> (it does have the port)
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1786 [19:18:16] <captian> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER captian ygcqjzvhyfla
1787 [19:18:42] <greycat> time to choose a new password
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1791 [19:19:04] <captian> @rmour123
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1793 [19:19:39] <captian> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY @rmour123
1794 [19:19:54] <greycat> time to choose another new password
1795 [19:19:57] <int80> m(
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1801 [19:21:41] <greycat> Behold the "cyberterrorist" that has all the old white men quaking in fear.
1802 [19:21:48] <roflbot> hi guys, struggling with installing debian stretch on a HP DL380 server. Finally got network working by using a non-free drivers included netinstall usb key, but now the hp smart array drivers .. :/
1803 [19:22:08] <roflbot> I manually "modprobe hpsa", but its not detecting any disks
1804 [19:22:11] <roflbot> no idea why
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1806 [19:22:31] <roflbot> ls /dev/ | grep cciss does not show anything either
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1845 [19:39:26] <N3X15> Anyone had issues with marvel 88SE91 devices acknowledging your device exists, but screwing up everything else, like size, sectors, and partition table?
1846 [19:39:52] <N3X15> This is just using the RAID controller without raid on aforementioned devices
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1850 [19:42:18] <Tenkawa> roflbot: does it at least see the controller?
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1854 [19:42:30] <Tenkawa> you my be missing other modules
1855 [19:42:47] <Tenkawa> if you are inserting them manually
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1862 [19:45:19] <roflbot> Tenkawa: jepp
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1864 [19:45:29] <roflbot> hpsa is loaded automaticly
1865 [19:45:44] <roflbot> tried modprobe -r hpsa, and modprobe cciss
1866 [19:45:47] <roflbot> but did not help
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1871 [19:46:35] <Tenkawa> right but those might not be the only ones needed for that device
1872 [19:46:45] <Tenkawa> is it a pci device?
1873 [19:46:56] <ksk> roflbot: I have never had an HP raid controller, but did you make sure there are devices created? :>
1874 [19:47:18] <ksk> like, on dell hardware, you would need to setup a volume in raid controller menu, else there would be none..
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1876 [19:47:44] <Tenkawa> ksk: good point
1877 [19:47:48] <noodlepie> Could someone please tell me the default folder permissions for the following directories, I think I screwed them while moving the folder between partition mounts... ok, here goes... /var, /tmp, /run, /run/lock, /var/lock and /run/dbus, please!
1878 [19:48:17] <Tenkawa> ksk: lspci -k would also be good to check too
1879 [19:48:20] <noodlepie> Thanks in advance. I know it's a bit fiddly but if you could help, I would aprecciate it! :)
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1881 [19:48:40] <Tenkawa> to see what modules it thinks it should be loading up
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1883 [19:49:16] <roflbot> ksk Tenkawa: did that, at least to my knowledge. Created the raid volumes and everything looked ok
1884 [19:49:17] <noodlepie> I'm getting an Apache2, an rtkit and a systemd-hostname error on startup, probably due to a mixcopy or something.
1885 [19:49:27] <ksk> noodlepie: replaced-url
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1887 [19:49:38] <Tenkawa> er roflbot I meant heheh
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1889 [19:49:47] <ksk> not 100% sure if default, but that are the permissions on my shellhost..
1890 [19:49:53] <greycat> noodlepie: /run is not on disk, so rebooting should fix everything there
1891 [19:50:24] <greycat> /run is also NOT a thing you should copy from one system to another
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1896 [19:52:15] <noodlepie> Thanks ever so much ksk. I know /run is a tmpfs mount, I just wondered about the errors getting tha apache2 socket from /run/dbus/apache2
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1898 [19:53:12] <Tenkawa> oh fun... going to be some storming tonight here
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1901 [19:53:28] <ksk> noodlepie: maybe sharing that error would shed some light on the situation..
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1912 [19:57:16] <mba> Hi. I need some assistance with vpn
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1916 [19:58:11] <Tenkawa> mba: you need to be more specific
1917 [19:58:51] <roflbot> lcpci -knn shows smart array G6 with hpsa driver in use
1918 [19:59:12] <Tenkawa> roflbot: does it list a kernel module?
1919 [19:59:15] <mba> My vpn is connected. I can ping and trace route.
1920 [19:59:20] <noodlepie> Sorry guys, I meant to say the /run/dbus/system_bus_socket from systemd.
1921 [19:59:25] <noodlepie> -- Unit rtkit-daemon.service has begun starting up.
1922 [19:59:26] <noodlepie> Apr 18 18:58:33 Longview-House-Guest-PC rtkit-daemon[4523]: Failed to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No su
1923 [19:59:33] <noodlepie> ch file or directory
1924 [19:59:47] <greycat> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Apr 10 2017 /var/run -> /run
1925 [19:59:48] <mba> But I can not browse website
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1927 [20:00:46] <noodlepie> I'm also getting Apr 18 18:58:33 Guest-PC dbus[491]: [system] Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.RealtimeKit1': timed out
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1929 [20:01:12] <Tenkawa> mba: is the vpn on on the linux machine or are you trying to use a vpn from linux?
1930 [20:01:32] <mba> I use expressvpn
1931 [20:01:56] <Tenkawa> I have no idea what that is
1932 [20:02:14] <ksk> bhuddah: that sounds like a paid service? why not ask their support for help?
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1934 [20:02:37] <mba> It is a vpn service provider
1935 [20:02:41] <ksk> oh sorry, wrong highlight.
1936 [20:03:56] <Tenkawa> then why are you not contacting them?
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1943 [20:05:05] <Tenkawa> does the machine work on your local net?
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1947 [20:05:35] <mba> Yes
1948 [20:05:50] <Tenkawa> yeah you need to contact them
1949 [20:06:10] <Tenkawa> imo
1950 [20:06:15] <mba> Ok
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1952 [20:07:16] <noodlepie> Is /var/lock a sumlink to /run/lock?
1953 [20:07:24] <Tenkawa> I hate that I have a new machine and currently no reliable way to cable up power
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1955 [20:08:00] <greycat> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Apr 10 2017 /var/lock -> /run/lock
1956 [20:08:25] <noodlepie> -- Unit apache2.service has begun starting up.
1957 [20:08:26] <noodlepie> Apr 18 19:07:58 Longview-House-Guest-PC apachectl[7024]: mktemp: failed to create directory via template '/var/lock/apache2.XXXXXXXXXX': No such file or directyy
1958 [20:08:28] <Tenkawa> reverse connector from what everyone else uses for jumpers
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1964 [20:11:28] <noodlepie> Apr 18 19:10:33 Longview-House-Guest-PC systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP Server...
1965 [20:11:30] <noodlepie> Apr 18 19:10:34 Longview-House-Guest-PC apachectl[7973]: mktemp: failed to create directory via template '/var/lock/apache2.XXXXXXXXXX': No such file… directory
1966 [20:11:37] <ksk> noodlepie: kinda sounds like you really borked your system...
1967 [20:11:39] <noodlepie> Mad huh!
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1969 [20:11:42] <ksk> how about reinstalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll? :)
1970 [20:11:49] <__m4ch1n3__> mba can you resolve urls? try "getent hosts google.com"
1971 [20:11:56] <__m4ch1n3__> ah he quit
1972 [20:11:57] <ksk> eh, sorry about the ls :D
1973 [20:12:05] <greycat> noodlepie: did you reboot to recreate /run yet? If so, you're probably in reinstall land.
1974 [20:12:08] <noodlepie> Those are the only 3 errors reported on boot-up. The rest runs perfectly as far as I can tell.
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1976 [20:12:12] <Instabin> Hello
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1979 [20:12:46] <noodlepie> I really just want to install --reinstall the lsb-base, base-files and any other Debian packages for the basic filesystem and apps
1980 [20:12:48] <Instabin> I am having an issue addidng gpg keys for thrid party repositories
1981 [20:12:57] <noodlepie> I'll reboot.
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1983 [20:12:59] <greycat> That isn't what base-files is.
1984 [20:13:03] <ksk> noodlepie: that probably not gonna work..
1985 [20:13:05] <noodlepie> Back in ten minutes
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1987 [20:13:09] <Instabin> When i use apt-key add it tells me the key is to large
1988 [20:13:14] <greycat> There is a part of the system that is created by the installer, PERIOD. It does not come from any package.
1989 [20:13:22] <ksk> Instabin: which key do you try to import?
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1991 [20:13:37] <Instabin> ksk: curl replaced-url
1992 [20:13:48] <greycat> why did he leave IRC if he's only rebooting this remote server...
1993 [20:13:56] <ksk> Instabin: how about being sane, and a) recieving that key b) add it to apt-key
1994 [20:14:23] <ksk> Instabin: like, see with your eyes that what curl gets here, actually is a gpg key, and not something else..
1995 [20:14:25] <ctr> test
1996 [20:14:33] <ksk> ctr: success.
1997 [20:14:37] <Instabin> ksk: I did try wget and then add it
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1999 [20:14:52] <ctr> hi
2000 [20:14:55] <Instabin> ksk: I receive the same result
2001 [20:14:56] <ctr> i installed debian
2002 [20:15:07] <ctr> i liike it
2003 [20:15:19] <ctr> but wondering if there is alternative desktop enviroments
2004 [20:15:29] <ctr> the bar at the top im not so into
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2006 [20:15:34] <__m4ch1n3__> is there a way to configure how long an url is resolved before it fails?
2007 [20:15:35] <Tenkawa> wow.. got to get a molex adapter to hook up a 3A psu to this board
2008 [20:15:48] <Tenkawa> this thing takes some juice
2009 [20:15:54] <greycat> __m4ch1n3__: that's entirely up to the program that's doing the resolving
2010 [20:16:00] <N3X15> Anyone had issues with marvel 88SE91 devices acknowledging your device exists, but screwing up everything else, like size, sectors, and partition table? My drives are 4TB in size, but only showing up as 1.7TB in size on fdisk.
2011 [20:16:01] <Instabin> ksk: it does download a public key block when I edit the downloaded file.
2012 [20:16:39] <Tenkawa> N3X15: after its been written to or always?
2013 [20:16:46] <N3X15> always
2014 [20:16:50] <Tenkawa> hmm
2015 [20:16:54] <N3X15> Including after multiple reboots.
2016 [20:17:07] <N3X15> The drives in question are not assigned to an array
2017 [20:17:30] <Tenkawa> I've had certain controllers work ok until you tried to access the media then it corrupt, etc
2018 [20:18:00] <Tenkawa> are the arrays or static drives
2019 [20:18:03] <N3X15> What's weird is there is a RAID1 array with two 250GB disks that's working just fine, same controller
2020 [20:18:04] <Tenkawa> er thy
2021 [20:18:10] <Tenkawa> er they
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2023 [20:18:16] <N3X15> static
2024 [20:18:39] <Tenkawa> no complaints coming from a fdisk -l?
2025 [20:18:43] <N3X15> None
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2027 [20:18:53] <Tenkawa> about mismatches etc
2028 [20:18:54] <ksk> Instabin: I dont have any problems importing that key on my debian8 install over here..
2029 [20:19:00] <Tenkawa> wow thats weird
2030 [20:19:18] <Instabin> ksk: Yea I can get it on debian 8 but not 9
2031 [20:19:34] <ksk> why not state that intially?
2032 [20:19:36] <Instabin> ksk: several keys tell me they are too large to import
2033 [20:19:40] <Tenkawa> oh
2034 [20:19:48] <N3X15> Tenkawa, replaced-url
2035 [20:19:54] <Tenkawa> oh wait
2036 [20:19:57] <ksk> Instabin: I can also import it on debian 9 without problems
2037 [20:19:58] <Instabin> ksk: zabbix grafana and influxdb
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2039 [20:20:19] <ksk> a2a29c8090c72e6b85955a99fecd566e is the md5 checksum of the key I got over here..
2040 [20:20:24] <N3X15> Note how it shows it as DOS when it's actually GPT
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2042 [20:20:31] <Tenkawa> 32bit vs 64 bit formmatted will affect that
2043 [20:20:37] <ksk> since its https, you should really get the same, if there is no state actor in between trying to fool you :P
2044 [20:20:37] <Tenkawa> maximum size
2045 [20:20:40] <no_gravity> Sometimes when I hit key combosy like "ALT+F1" nothing happens and I have to do it again. Any ideas how to debug this?
2046 [20:21:00] <N3X15> So you're saying my controller is too old to handle the drive?
2047 [20:21:02] <__m4ch1n3__> hmm curl seems to ignore the resolve time when used with --max-time option, i want check via bash script if loged in into wifi paywall with "curl -m 2 -s -I replaced-url
2048 [20:21:02] <N3X15> :(
2049 [20:21:06] <Tenkawa> no
2050 [20:21:19] <Tenkawa> its a tuning setting when the fs was created
2051 [20:21:56] <N3X15> Well, it was set up with software RAID and then formatted with ext4
2052 [20:22:02] <Tenkawa> what I dont know is if you can migrate it to 64 bit once its created
2053 [20:22:03] <N3X15> default settings on both
2054 [20:22:12] <Instabin> ksk: sha256sum gpg.key 560785c1430b5f9cae7a49311ab3ff1a3944223078afdd9daf6631e1246010f9 gpg.key
2055 [20:22:19] <oxox> you wonderful people :>
2056 [20:22:19] <Tenkawa> but I "think" that might be what it is
2057 [20:22:20] <N3X15> and that happened yesterday, so
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2059 [20:22:44] <oxox> thank you a boatload and several more, for aiding the general populus in this day and age where everything can be oh-so confusing
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2061 [20:23:15] <Tenkawa> is there stuff on this filesystem?
2062 [20:23:31] <N3X15> There is, I am upgrading an older array from 1TB to 4TB
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2064 [20:23:50] <N3X15> so this was set up and copied over on the mobo controller, which has one spare slot left
2065 [20:24:10] <Tenkawa> I mean the one thats curently not showing space
2066 [20:24:22] <Instabin> ksk: sorry md5sum gpg.key a2a29c8090c72e6b85955a99fecd566e gpg.key
2067 [20:24:25] <ksk> Instabin: really nice to use another hashing algo, to make me check it again!?
2068 [20:24:30] <N3X15> then I removed the old drives from the hardware array and inserted the 4TB drives into the old slots, which are on the marvell controller
2069 [20:24:34] <Instabin> I got the same
2070 [20:24:39] <ksk> Instabin: mhhm, then I totally have no Idea whats wrong :o
2071 [20:24:39] <Tenkawa> ahhh
2072 [20:24:55] <ksk> Instabin: you did a "apt-key add gpg.key" also I suppose?
2073 [20:25:05] <Tenkawa> so the old filesystem settings are in place
2074 [20:25:09] <N3X15> Yes
2075 [20:25:16] <__m4ch1n3__> when im not connected to wifi it fails instantly, but when connected and not loged in it takes like 5 seconds, i dont use their nameserver via dhcp so the wifi accesspoint seems to drop the package silently
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2077 [20:25:19] <Instabin> ksk: apt-key add gpg.key gpg: Warning: 1 key skipped due to its large size gpg: Warning: 1 key skipped due to its large size OK
2078 [20:25:32] <ksk> Instabin: maybe to sort out some layer8 issues: md5sum gpg.key; cat gpg.key; apt-key add gpg.key -> pastebin this please
2079 [20:25:42] <N3X15> Tenkawa: The new drives are not in an array on the marvell controller though, just in software
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2081 [20:26:26] <Tenkawa> yeah without a backup I'm hesitant but I think its out of extents or superblocks because it was a 32 bit fs before
2082 [20:26:29] <ksk> Instabin: lemme check if there are updates for apt on my machine that make it fail, too. sec..
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2084 [20:26:50] <Tenkawa> I wish someone was online who has had to do this more recently thanI
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2086 [20:27:00] <N3X15> It showed as 4TB before, though Tenkawa
2087 [20:27:00] <ksk> Instabin: mhm no, nothing apt-related..
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2089 [20:27:10] <N3X15> On the mobo controller
2090 [20:27:24] <Instabin> ksk: replaced-url
2091 [20:27:33] <Tenkawa> but not mounted though in linux right?
2092 [20:27:35] <__m4ch1n3__> brb
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2094 [20:27:49] <N3X15> I can't mount it in linux because the partition table is all screwy
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2096 [20:27:53] <Tenkawa> thid is a "linux" thing
2097 [20:27:54] <Instabin> Apt works no updates faill excpet for the repositories for grafana zabbix and influx
2098 [20:27:57] <Tenkawa> err this
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2102 [20:28:27] <Tenkawa> oh
2103 [20:28:29] <N3X15> I'll hotswap the drive over to the mobo real quick to show you
2104 [20:28:39] <ksk> Instabin: thanks, nothing strange to see there :(
2105 [20:28:49] <Tenkawa> ok
2106 [20:29:09] <ksk> Instabin: btw, the key itself seems strange to me, why is there a newline in it before "=0pMC"? (its the same over here, and I managed to import it. still...
2107 [20:29:12] <Instabin> ksk: I cant figure out what it is. Been beating my head against the wall
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2110 [20:29:42] <Instabin> ksk: yea but it worked when you imported it
2111 [20:29:59] <ksk> Instabin: apt is version 1.4.9, yes?
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2113 [20:30:03] <Instabin> ksk: Has to be something for apt
2114 [20:30:05] <N3X15> Yeah, as soon as I plugged it into the mobo, mdadm picked it up and started the array as 4TB
2115 [20:30:07] <ksk> (apt-cache policy apt)
2116 [20:30:13] <N3X15> Tenkaw ^
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2118 [20:30:34] <Instabin> ksk:apt 1.4.9 (amd64)
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2123 [20:31:31] <N3X15> Tenkawa, replaced-url
2124 [20:31:38] <ksk> Instabin: maybe as a workaround: replaced-url
2125 [20:31:39] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2127 [20:32:00] <jadax> hey, do you know if AMD RX 570 / RX 580 is supported in debian? I'm asking specifically about being able to control fan speed, under/over clock etc.
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2129 [20:32:20] <Tenkawa> N3X15: so is that good or not?
2130 [20:32:54] <N3X15> Yes, but that's plugged into the motherboard, and I need it on the marvell controller since it has two free slots
2131 [20:32:54] <ksk> Instabin: not using apt-key add sounds like a great idea really, Ive been using it up until now though..
2132 [20:33:02] <Instabin> ksk: yea I have read that and googled everything I could still couldnt figure that out
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2134 [20:33:46] <Tenkawa> well you will have to recontstruct the array definition to do that
2135 [20:33:47] <ksk> Instabin: the line starting with "for Debian 9 ("stretch") and later," Is what you are looking for ;)
2136 [20:33:57] <ksk> also man 5 sources.list
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2138 [20:34:57] <Tenkawa> Anyone in here know Raid via DM?
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2141 [20:35:20] <noodlepie> Ok, I rebooted, running the -rt kernel, and I'm still getting all 3 errors on boot-up.
2142 [20:35:38] <Tenkawa> if they do please help N3X15 ... I'm definitely rusty and I need to go afk for approx 15 min.
2143 [20:35:43] <ksk> noodlepie: why the .. would you try an -rt kernel? :o
2144 [20:35:52] <N3X15> Tenkawa, thanks for your help
2145 [20:35:52] <ksk> the error you reported are clearly not kernel related.
2146 [20:35:56] <Tenkawa> np
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2148 [20:36:25] <N3X15> This is an old machine from around 2008 so it's probably past time to replace it anyway
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2150 [20:37:43] <Instabin> ksk: I read that but the keyrings folder is in /usr/share/keyrings and I wasnt quite sure how to use the signed by option
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2153 [20:39:23] <noodlepie> I'm getting another error now, -- Unit systemd-journal-flush.service has begun starting up.
2154 [20:39:24] <Instabin> ksk: funnything is that you can import the key with synaptic package manager....
2155 [20:39:26] <noodlepie> Apr 18 19:32:54 Longview-House-Guest-PC systemd-random-seed[249]: Failed to create directory /var/lib/systemd/: No such file or directory
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2158 [20:40:09] <noodlepie> my /var/lib/systemd is really /home/var/lib/system due to a symlink from /var to /home/var - fits my disk space usage patterm.
2159 [20:41:10] <noodlepie> I wonder what could be going on here. Things look normal to me.
2160 [20:41:26] <N3X15> wait
2161 [20:41:32] <N3X15> why are you symlinking stuff around
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2163 [20:41:44] <greycat> a ... symlink ... from /var to .... WHAT
2164 [20:41:50] <greycat> REINSTALL. NOW.
2165 [20:42:06] <N3X15> never touch /var, /bin, etc
2166 [20:42:11] <noodlepie> /run/lock/apache2 is empty too.
2167 [20:42:16] <N3X15> that's why all your stuff is borked
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2171 [20:43:39] <noodlepie> Is /var/run a symlink to /run?
2172 [20:44:04] <greycat> *plonk*
2173 [20:44:25] <noodlepie> :)
2174 [20:44:27] <greycat> No more spoon. Go install Debian in a clean system, either a VM or a chroot with debootstrap or a real box.
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2180 [20:45:39] <noodlepie> _/|\_ ATARI VCS Linux DRM-Free Gaming Console _/|\_ -- It might make a decent platform for the - only Free games I would play on one.
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2184 [20:49:10] <__m4ch1n3__> "getent hosts detectportal.firefox.com" takes as long as curl, how can i check if url can be resolved within certain time via commandline?
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2186 [20:49:32] <greycat> By resolving it and seeing how long it takes.
2187 [20:49:42] <greycat> Or by fixing your DNS.
2188 [20:49:49] <greycat> I know which one I would focus on.
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2190 [20:49:56] <__m4ch1n3__> no i ment within a certain amount of time
2191 [20:50:01] <greycat> !wayttd
2192 [20:50:02] <dpkg> What Are You Trying To Do?
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2194 [20:50:38] <__m4ch1n3__> i want check if currently loged in to wifi accesspoint paywal
2195 [20:50:58] <greycat> And the only way you can think of to check that is to resolve replaced-url
2196 [20:51:04] <greycat> Maybe you should look for another way.
2197 [20:51:21] <noodlepie> I want to be able to install Debian on one really, unless it actually quoite fast (they updated the spec from Bristol Ridge APU to Ryzen recently) and has a few Atari-like (from their Falcon and Jaguar days, followed by their crew forming VM Labs and designing the DVD-player add on chipset for the Nuon interactive multimedia platform). Since the Falcon030 computer had a fully fledged Motorola DSP56K
2198 [20:51:24] <noodlepie> co-processor, And the Jaguar had it's own chipset for graphics and sound, also a DSP and the RAMDAC video output was 24-bit and could do basic texture mapping, back then quite new on consumer kit. I'm not really sure about the AMD Ryzen chipset and what features convinced Atari to go for that CPU on their box. Basicaly, if I can install Debian on it, or maybe Gentoo if it is fast enough, and can write my own
2199 [20:51:26] <noodlepie> multimedia demos with its chipset freatures, I could possibly opt for one.
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2201 [20:51:54] <noodlepie> I know I can get a Raspberry-Pi to a decent enough spec but I'm interested, always, in Atari's ventures into generic hardware methods of a rendering stream.
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2204 [20:52:50] <Tenkawa> noodlepie: do you have an understanding though of their architectural philosophy of how they are going about it?
2205 [20:53:04] <Tenkawa> that is key for a lot of this
2206 [20:53:41] <roflbot> Tenkawa: yep, listed kernel module hpsa
2207 [20:53:42] <greycat> I *suspect* that the solution you're aiming for is "run timeout 5 getent blah and if it takes more than 4 seconds, assume it timed out, and do XYZ" but that is still really really ugly.
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2209 [20:54:50] <Tenkawa> roflbot: ok.. next stage.. does dmesg shoe any cciss messages?
2210 [20:54:52] <BCMM> __m4ch1n3__: captive portals may resolve DNS correctly, but intercept http connections
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2212 [20:55:16] <BCMM> can't trust dns for redirecting people to the captive portal, because results might be cached, etc.
2213 [20:55:27] <Tenkawa> I hate captive portals
2214 [20:55:46] <Tenkawa> those things are pure evil
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2216 [20:55:51] <Tenkawa> heheheh
2217 [20:56:00] <`Kevin> try using openssl s_client to verify TLS/SSL handshake if they are intercepting
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2220 [20:57:35] <__m4ch1n3__> get request to replaced-url
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2222 [20:57:39] <noodlepie> Well, I'm sure busieness motivations are quite inferior when compared to technical interests and merits. As soon as microsoft have lost the game to GNU/Linux, they will bail and offer no Free Software at all, they're gon' be jus' gone! This process is happening faster and faster. While they are a-hanging on offering "support" for some projects, their size cannot financially sustain the loss of OS sales
2223 [20:57:42] <noodlepie> revenue, and they will just disappear altogether as more and more people realise Free/Open Sharable, Studyable, Runnable and Distributable is the only thing that can guarantee it levels of perfectiopns. As soon as we all start using AI properly, the Free Software codebase will be the defining factor in configuration and callibration. The closed software source don't have the Free Software code base to teach
2224 [20:57:44] <noodlepie> computers how to program with, and we, the Free Heads, do!
2225 [20:57:57] <greycat> man 1 timeout
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2228 [20:58:09] <greycat> UGLY fucking solution, and now I've said it twice, so it's twice as ugly
2229 [20:58:19] <noodlepie> This single factor is what terrifies microsoft so much, and they are beginning to sqeak a wonky tune with a grab-keep effort to keep people from totallu abandoning winders
2230 [20:58:27] <Tenkawa> greycat: whi not 1*infinity
2231 [20:58:30] <Tenkawa> er why
2232 [20:58:39] <greycat> huh?
2233 [20:58:53] <__m4ch1n3__> ah sorry missed that thank you
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2235 [20:59:08] <Tenkawa> oh I was trying to be funny
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2237 [20:59:43] * Tenkawa isn't funny
2238 [20:59:57] <noodlepie> I used to work in London back in Y1999, for a Digital Design agency who let me code exclusively GPL solutions for our clients. We all found the license was great in mutually permitting improvement and reuse
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2240 [21:00:25] <noodlepie> I used to get free beer at that job, every Friday at 4:30. Wine too, and then off out to London's pubs with my mates
2241 [21:00:54] * Tenkawa tries to remember the years he was in London and Guernsey/Jersey
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2243 [21:01:39] <roflbot> Tenkawa: dmesg | grep cciss shows nothing
2244 [21:01:48] <roflbot> but three lines with hpsa
2245 [21:02:01] <roflbot> "board not ready. Timed out" hmmm
2246 [21:02:11] <Tenkawa> roflbot: oh....
2247 [21:02:15] <Tenkawa> interesting
2248 [21:03:00] <noodlepie> I used PHP for some basic protals, but I found Zope and Python and their differences to things like Spring and OpenStack, even LAMP. Zope is really cool and has tonnes of cleverly reused componenets which make using and learning about it fun. But! It's even more fun to program and has a few different angles between BlueBream Zope 3 itself, and things like GROK which is a web-cms engine build using the Zope
2249 [21:03:03] <noodlepie> componenet toolkit. It's as cool as it comes really. And, if you like Object Databases, Templates and reusable component object, it's the best!
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2251 [21:03:38] <Tenkawa> yeah I'm not very versed with this board but that doesn't sound good.. I would check though like someone asked though if there is any on board config you need to add acl/port access fort this machine
2252 [21:04:34] * Tenkawa think
2253 [21:05:05] * Tenkawa think's he'll be asking his wife to be doing some soldering work for him soon
2254 [21:05:23] <ctr> is it hard to change desktops
2255 [21:05:28] <ctr> enviroments
2256 [21:05:34] <ctr> nvm
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2259 [21:06:03] <roflbot> Tenkawa: thanks for helping :) Will be doing some testing and googling etc. I'll tell if I find out something
2260 [21:06:48] <Tenkawa> roflbot: np... let me know what you find
2261 [21:06:59] <Tenkawa> good luck
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2264 [21:09:17] <noodlepie> I used it on Virgin Media Cable TV station "Trouble" - for Teenagers and kids. We built flexible page templates and overloaded all we could in the name of simplicity->complexity acceleration. Everthing was contextual so when you where logged in to the box's Zope auth kit, visiting the site's pages rendered them as editable in the page itself, with all the CRUD/preview whit in a location closer to the app
2265 [21:09:20] <noodlepie> server so we could fit it all together, a few agony uncle/aunt posting forms with user write permissions of much the same basic page template. Dead cool, dead quick and fun to extend too, a photography stock company in Camden had me writing a C++ Python driver for the prorietary photo database - to search from our Solaris box running Zope and Postgreql (for the Web user accounts and their saved lightbox photo
2266 [21:09:22] <noodlepie> collections and what - hurrah for a win to Free sh*t! Finally the Badmointon Horse Trials got a Blender modelled cross country horse trials course with gate photos and a clickable image to view each gate from a variety of angles. I learned Blender to do this :). They also got the editable contextual pages which made the template stack very pleasant to work with.
2267 [21:09:25] <setuid> I'm preseeding some installs, and found a weird issue. I'm trying to zero the nvme disks that have previously had ceph osds deployed to them, using the following syntax:
2268 [21:09:29] <setuid> d-i partman/early_command string \
2269 [21:09:29] <setuid> fdisk -l | grep 'Disk /dev/nvme' | cut -f1 -d: | cut -f2 -d' ' | while read -r disk ; do dd if=/dev/zero of=$disk bs=1M count=3; done
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2271 [21:09:52] <setuid> This works when run interactively, but seems to _not_ reset those disks when run as part of the preseed
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2275 [21:11:43] <noodlepie> ls -l /run/dbus please?
2276 [21:12:19] <noodlepie> I get srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Apr 18 19:33 system_bus_socket=
2277 [21:12:26] <noodlepie> What's the =, please?
2278 [21:14:47] <EdePopede> something my output doesn't show oO
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2293 [21:25:12] <setuid> So any ideas?
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2296 [21:28:03] <roflbot> Tenkawa: removed all disks but two, and it worked. looks like a mix of sas and sata confused the controller
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2298 [21:28:43] <Tenkawa> roflbot: ouch
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2300 [21:28:56] <Tenkawa> is that going to be ok?
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2302 [21:29:11] <pagetelegram> got apache2 on deb off on a vps somewhere and can't find information on changing the order of which conf loads first when for example someone just types the ip of the server. I do not know what to search because I do not know what it's called.
2303 [21:30:27] <pagetelegram> some reason apache loads one of my domain conf before the 000-default one.
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2305 [21:31:27] <roflbot> Tenkawa: thinking of trying to bypass the controller, and use linux raid instead. not sure if its a good idea though.
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2308 [21:32:02] <roflbot> I probably have to set each disk as a volume with raid 0+1
2309 [21:32:14] <Tenkawa> ahh
2310 [21:32:18] <roflbot> and then mdadm them together :)
2311 [21:32:25] <Tenkawa> indeed
2312 [21:32:45] <roflbot> I prefer linux software raid to be honest
2313 [21:32:56] <roflbot> keen on trying zfs too
2314 [21:33:04] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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2318 [21:33:51] <roflbot> testing :D
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2321 [21:36:29] <__m4ch1n3__> `timeout 2 curl` does exactly what I expected `curl --max-time=2` to do :3
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2335 [21:45:46] <Tenkawa> I'm still working on figuring out a power adapter for my new server
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2344 [21:53:18] <Tenkawa> yay found the conversion headers
2345 [21:53:58] <Tenkawa> just have to buy them and solder a new adapter for them
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2371 [22:11:42] <jaggz> what's the package for adding additional export options to apps (like in KDE's screenshot program, spectacle, to export to imgur or flickr, etc.)
2372 [22:12:18] <jaggz> I'm asking because flickr needs an account, but the authentication thing pops up a flickr window that says I don't have permission
2373 [22:12:42] <Tenkawa> sudo
2374 [22:13:11] <Tenkawa> sudo apt-get install or whichever tool lyou use to install packages
2375 [22:13:21] <jaggz> Tenkawa, no I mean, it pops up my browser here: replaced-url
2376 [22:13:36] <Tenkawa> just a sec
2377 [22:13:36] <jaggz> and then a local window that asks if I've authenticated myself yet or not
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2379 [22:14:29] <Tenkawa> did you sign in to flikr?
2380 [22:14:35] <raidghost> Installing Pi-Hole in debian, Any good?
2381 [22:14:36] <Tenkawa> thats a web service call?
2382 [22:14:40] <Tenkawa> er .
2383 [22:14:58] <Tenkawa> that error was a web login failure
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2385 [22:15:56] <Tenkawa> couldve been preshared key, user/pw... I don't know flikr
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2387 [22:16:12] <jaggz> Tenkawa, that page doesn't work whether I'm signed in or not
2388 [22:16:23] <jaggz> maybe i'll just log in normally and then tell spectacle I'm authenticated?
2389 [22:16:55] <Tenkawa> oh
2390 [22:16:57] <Tenkawa> wait
2391 [22:16:59] <Tenkawa> I see
2392 [22:17:14] <Tenkawa> are you sure you got perms for these objects?
2393 [22:17:41] <jaggz> Tenkawa, objects?
2394 [22:18:05] <Tenkawa> if its a cascading permission you could be blocked more than one level up
2395 [22:18:42] <Tenkawa> or just test one file even.. re-set its permission again and make again
2396 [22:18:44] <jaggz> if I'm already logged in, then get to that permission error page (from the spectacle -> flickr -> add account), and I tell iet "yes I'm authenticated", I get a popup "Error occurred: Invalid Frob Cannot proceed any further."
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2398 [22:19:00] <jaggz> Tenkawa, I'm not sure what file perms you're referring to
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2400 [22:19:46] <jaggz> I'm just trying to add the flickr account currently
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2402 [22:21:05] <jaggz> spectacle has this window if I want to "Change Account" (to add one in this case) replaced-url
2403 [22:21:46] <Tenkawa> like I said... I know "nothing" about flikr itself... one thing I am noticing is that it does mention that it wants a yahoo account if thats relevant
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2406 [22:22:44] <jaggz> yeah I'm using my yahoo account on flickr, just can't get it added to spectacle
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2408 [22:23:26] <Tenkawa> ok.. just wanted to make sure that variable was covered
2409 [22:23:42] <jaggz> I didn't used to have these export options -- I had to add some package for it. Can't find what package that was, and spectacle doesn't seem to list it in its Recommands
2410 [22:24:15] <jaggz> I"m figuring maybe there's an update
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2413 [22:25:08] <dax> maybe kipi-plugins?
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2415 [22:26:12] <Tenkawa> did you install both kde-spectacle and ksnapshot?
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2418 [22:26:40] <Tenkawa> thats the new and transitional package name
2419 [22:26:52] <jaggz> kipi-plugins package seems to be it
2420 [22:27:09] <Tenkawa> cool
2421 [22:27:25] <Tenkawa> dax: you go
2422 [22:27:27] <jaggz> Tenkawa, ksnapshot is not installed
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2424 [22:27:39] <jaggz> there's no update for kipi-plugins
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2427 [22:27:59] <Tenkawa> ksnapshot - transitional package for kde-spectacle
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2430 [22:28:43] <jaggz> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kipiplugin_flickr.so
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2432 [22:29:04] <jaggz> and I guess they compile it
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2493 [23:32:31] <jaggz> dax, looks like they updated the flickr api in kipi-plugins in digikam 5.9 (debian stable is at digikam 5.3) replaced-url
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2495 [23:32:43] <jaggz> I wonder if I should risk going to buster
2496 [23:33:01] <jaggz> not for just this, no. nevermind. :)
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2500 [23:33:53] <jaggz> no need to risk all my progress on life-saving projects (literally) to spend time with a down system just to upload to flickr more conveniently
2501 [23:34:25] <dax> if you want an adventure, you could always try
2502 [23:34:27] <dax> dpkg: ssb
2503 [23:34:27] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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2520 [23:50:57] <bernyrd> hello
2521 [23:51:02] <bernyrd> I have two NIC, but only one show
2522 [23:51:15] <bernyrd> on other computer just like it it worked, so I wonder if it is dead now?
2523 [23:51:25] <bernyrd> I made some changes and reboot a few times. reboot does not fix now.
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2527 [23:52:31] <bernyrd> lspci does not show NIC -- so I am concerned. I changed /etc/network/interfaces.d files
2528 [23:52:32] <ksk> bernyrd: lspci gives clues
2529 [23:52:45] <ksk> k. Did you maybe disable it via BIOS?
2530 [23:52:57] <bernyrd> Hmm.. no. But I will see if it got disabled somehow.
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2532 [23:53:12] <ksk> if it does not show via lspci you will have no luck trying to configure the interface (via interfaces)
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2534 [23:53:57] <ksk> bernyrd: if the devices is physicly there plugged into computer, it should also most likey produce some output in dmesg - if linux was not able to initialize it or so
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2539 [23:55:57] <bernyrd> I will check that shortly. It is soldered on to board. Is small computer
2540 [23:55:58] <jhutchins> lspci should show it unless it's USB.
2541 [23:56:11] <bernyrd> The working one still shows up
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