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12 [00:09:28] <jhutchins> Auxilliary Power Units?
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14 [00:14:05] <EdePopede> isn't this that gpu on cpu thing or what it was?
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25 [00:22:38] <jelly> rant: at some point we have to start supporting buster in here, probably before the release date
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47 [00:38:00] <abrotman> jelly: now seems like a fine time ..
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59 [00:49:02] <at0m> update the factoids to make that official?
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61 [00:49:28] <dvs> buster is released?!/
62 [00:49:34] <at0m> isnt
63 [00:49:41] <dvs> damn!
64 [00:50:16] <at0m> not as in "has moved to stable"
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68 [00:52:06] <dvs> dammit!
69 [00:52:09] <dvs> !wwbr
70 [00:52:09] <dpkg> Debian 10 "Buster" started the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019. replaced-url
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74 [00:53:26] <imkillroy> hello, does anyone know what i could do to fix znc web admin timing out on my vps? im able to connect to it via my client but not the web admin
75 [00:53:36] <imkillroy> netstat -tunlp shows znc listening on 4241
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82 [01:00:45] <imkillroy> ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:4242 - how can i add another rule like this to iptables for 4241?
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96 [01:13:09] <rant> jelly: yes I had considered that
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111 [01:20:50] <jelly> imkillroy: "iptables -S" output might be ncier to figure out command lines.
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129 [01:38:30] <gregor2> I changed the file permissions of the home directory of a user now public key authentication for ssh does not work anymore.
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133 [01:40:08] <tomreyn> sound slike you changed them incorrectly, if this wasnt intended to happen.
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137 [01:41:52] <zerocool> hi there. anyone know how i can test if a folder is linked to somewhere else?
138 [01:43:16] <MrSelfDestruct> zerocool: Do you mean if the directory itself is a link or if there are links pointing toward the same directory?
139 [01:43:21] <zerocool> like i want to delete a dir in /opt , i want to make sure it isn't the target of a symlink
140 [01:44:27] <zerocool> a symbolic link might point to a directory, i only know the directory, i want to make sure there isn't a symlink pointing to it
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142 [01:45:59] <MrSelfDestruct> zerocool: From what I remember and have found, it's very hard to see if a symlink actually points to somewhere (meaning you have to check all links on the system to see if they match). This link I found has the beginning of what can become a script to test if somewhere points to what you're looking at: replaced-url
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146 [01:53:15] <jelly> zerocool: find all symlinks, run readlink -f on each, see if it points to your destination
147 [01:54:12] <zerocool> i was hoping there was an easier way but if there's not that's quite alright
148 [01:54:15] <zerocool> thanks guys!
149 [01:55:43] <jelly> oh, that's what Mr. Self Destruct said already, sorry
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151 [01:56:35] <zerocool> its all good :)
152 [01:56:45] <zerocool> the more the people say the same thing the more i believe it
153 [01:57:04] <jelly> that's literally how propaganda works
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166 [02:14:19] <wildEMU> Is it a bad idea to change a mount points ownership? chown /mnt_mydevice
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172 [02:18:14] <abrotman> guess he didn't care that much
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196 [02:35:06] <imkillroy> does anyone really care about anything?
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198 [02:35:59] <jelly> yes.
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209 [02:42:59] <jelly> ^^coyotebot: if you're really a bot, be advised this channel does not allow unapproved bots.
210 [02:43:25] <^^coyotebot> nope
211 [02:43:30] <^^coyotebot> not bot
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213 [02:43:40] <jelly> that's what a bot would say.
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216 [02:44:02] <whatevernotbot> dystopic nightmare #5251
217 [02:44:51] <jelly> pretty much! /me moves on
218 [02:46:01] <whatevernotbot> :P
219 [02:47:16] <whatevernotbot> sorry i am just really tired of securityness. that's not why i had that name, but it's why i didn't exactly react with rosy perfume
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225 [02:47:43] <whatevernotbot> thanks for understanding, jelly
226 [02:47:52] <whatevernotbot> g2g though. catch some daylight.
227 [02:47:53] <whatevernotbot> night
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308 [04:39:56] <ryouma> the grey on blue with red text thing -- can it be changed? debcofn colors.
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310 [04:41:55] <LinuxNoob1111> help
311 [04:42:00] <LinuxNoob1111> I need help with debian install
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313 [04:42:02] <dvs> !ask
314 [04:42:02] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
315 [04:42:30] <LinuxNoob1111> I'm attempting to install the latest Debian with non-free firmware included. I have a GTX 950 in my machine. When I go to start the
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317 [04:42:31] <LinuxNoob1111> OS
318 [04:42:34] <LinuxNoob1111> for the first time
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320 [04:42:55] <LinuxNoob1111> It gives me bullshit /dev/sda1: clean, X/X files, X/X Blocks
321 [04:43:13] <LinuxNoob1111> Plz help
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323 [04:44:44] <LinuxNoob1111> Is anyone gonna help???
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327 [04:47:36] <LinuxNoob1111> !ask
328 [04:47:36] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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349 [05:01:51] <dodobrain_> hi all.
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383 [05:47:20] <jim> hi, tried to install a package,,, I think it got installed, but the output had some unusual stuff in it... replaced-url
384 [05:47:37] <jim> !bat
385 [05:47:38] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
386 [05:48:02] <jim> so that's the complete output of the package install
387 [05:50:07] <jim> replaced-url
388 [05:52:50] <jim> replaced-url
389 [05:53:08] <jim> that's 1, 2 and 3 in order
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391 [05:54:37] <jim> if someone's around to look at that stuff, I'd appreciate it... hilite me in order to reply
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409 [06:21:36] <marz> What's the difference between using cron-apt and just setting it manually on crontab?
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413 [06:22:40] <jmcnaught> jim: It doesn't look like an apt/dpkg problem but an issue with grub and LVM, probably safe to ignore. This answer also links to a Debian BTS report: replaced-url
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429 [06:42:02] <magic_ninja> Determine the mass fractions of primary (alpha) and eutectic microconstituents.
430 [06:42:05] <magic_ninja> What does that even mean >.<
431 [06:42:21] <magic_ninja> I get that they want to know how much of the total mass is going to be primary alpha.
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433 [06:42:27] <magic_ninja> But I'm not sure how to just get the primary alpha
434 [06:42:33] <magic_ninja> Sorry, wrong channel
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440 [06:47:08] <jim> jmcnaught, thanks for looking :) should I reinstall grub?
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503 [07:32:17] <marz> With cron-apt if I don't specify the MAILON option does it mean it will never send an email?
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570 [08:38:27] <ephemer0l> replaced-url
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577 [08:43:21] <themill> ephemer0l: not actually relevant to #debian btw
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690 [09:53:37] <tya99> it seems nobody was able to answer my question on the mailing list re (correct way to install certificates) replaced-url
691 [09:53:40] <tya99> i'd really rather some system wide way that's not like my script here replaced-url
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748 [10:27:33] <tp43_> You know, I switched from xfce4 to Gnome desktop. And the screen saver didn't work. So I installed and would use xscreensaver instead. Xscreensaver is set to blank screen. When the screen goes blank, the monitor doesn't turn off. I am pretty sure with xfce4, the monitors used to turn off by the screen saver.
749 [10:30:09] <diogenes_> because xfce rocks!
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1036 [13:59:11] <OS-007> Hey all, I've recently installed Debian 9 in Vbox. The left applications bar is missing though, and I can't find the setting to make it stick there w/o me having everytime to click on "Activities" button for it to appear. Please where is that setting?
1037 [14:00:08] <OS-007> I didn't find it neither in "Tweaks" nor in "Settings"
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1052 [14:11:06] <PipeItToDevNull> Hello, I have an AD managing users on my debian boxes. When I modify the groups for a user and do `id` in debian I do not see these updates. How can I get Debian to see an up to date group list?
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1069 [14:23:30] <petn-randall> PipeItToDevNull: Is it from the logged in user?
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1075 [14:25:32] <PipeItToDevNull> I cannot log in with the user because it needs to be in a specific group
1076 [14:26:03] <PipeItToDevNull> I do try to auth with the user, and get denied because of the group issue petn-randall
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1091 [14:37:16] <cryptodan> how can being in a user group prevent logging in?
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1096 [14:39:36] <petn-randall> PipeItToDevNull: I'm asking because groups are assigned at login of a session, and don't ever get updated after that.
1097 [14:39:58] <petn-randall> PipeItToDevNull: But I'm guessing that you're checking it from another account with `id <foo>`.
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1099 [14:39:58] <PipeItToDevNull> cryptodan, We use the PAM_ListFile to use groups
1100 [14:40:13] <PipeItToDevNull> petn-randall, I am
1101 [14:42:25] <PipeItToDevNull> First auth for a user would build the group cache, but subsequent auths do not trigger a re-check. Is there any way to dump that cache for force an update?
1102 [14:42:37] <PipeItToDevNull> cache or force*
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1106 [14:45:05] <cryptodan> each time the user logins it should check to see if they are part of any new groups
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1108 [14:45:29] <ghb> Test
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1118 [14:48:42] <PipeItToDevNull> cryptodan, but the user cannot login without that update
1119 [14:49:09] <cryptodan> what are the errors in auth.log
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1146 [15:08:03] <wald0> why a package could be not included in a debian branch (buster actually) ? but available in other ones
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1149 [15:09:02] <themill> because it's not suitable for release in buster
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1154 [15:11:38] <wald0> themill: i dont understand why... i just checked the list of bugs and doesn't has any "important" one
1155 [15:11:51] <wald0> actually im looking for "netsurf-gtk"
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1157 [15:12:16] <JohnA> I am rebuild a server, the original had each partition (folder, directory) setup as a separate raid. Is this "good" practice or would it be better to use raid (soft or hard) at the physical level?
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1165 [15:15:20] <themill> wald0: #867694 and #911600
1166 [15:15:30] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1167 [15:16:37] <wald0> hum, i was looking for netsurf-gtk but aparently the problem for it is in netsurf-fb?
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1169 [15:16:48] <themill> it's the same source package
1170 [15:17:16] <wald0> on these cases, what would be the best option to actually install the package in buster? adding the stretch repo too ?
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1175 [15:20:14] <PipeItToDevNull> cryptodan, the error is that login is denied based on PAM_listfile
1176 [15:21:13] <themill> wald0: just at the moment, the package in sid is probably better. It's not really a sustainable position though
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1183 [15:24:18] <wald0> hum... these mixed dependencies... im always scared to mix repo branches :)
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1189 [15:27:02] <OpenVms> Did anyone know how to dual boot clover with grub?
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1192 [15:28:23] <mba> hello all
1193 [15:28:33] <mba> i need help
1194 [15:28:45] <petn-randall> !ask
1195 [15:28:46] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1196 [15:29:31] <cryptodan> PipeItToDevNull: you may want to look at your configuration file for allowed actions
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1198 [15:29:39] <mba> i install expressvpn on my system. when ever i connect to a server, i lose the internet (except the connection to the vpn)
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1201 [15:31:05] <ayekat> mba: please elaborate on "lose the internet"
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1204 [15:31:48] <mba> i can not browse any website nor ping. if i disconnect the vpn. things goes back to normal.
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1212 [15:32:59] <petn-randall> mba: On which OS is this?
1213 [15:33:22] <mba> parrot os. which is running on Debian.
1214 [15:33:50] <greycat> !parrotos
1215 [15:33:51] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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1217 [15:34:24] <mba> ok. thank you
1218 [15:34:52] <petn-randall> mba: Neither Parrot nor expressvpn are related to Debian. You might have some luck in the channel above. ^^^ Else I'd contact the expressvpn support.
1219 [15:35:22] <mba> i did contact express vpn. but they could not do anything
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1221 [15:35:35] <mba> i will try parrotsec channel
1222 [15:35:42] <themill> (might be worth asking the vpn people how to set your default route correctly)
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1225 [15:37:01] <mzajc> I have a problem with using secure boot on Debian (Buster, up to date). I have all the signed packages, but grubx64.efi won't boot in secure boot, reason being that it is not signed with a valid certificate. I remember reading somewhere that Microsoft has 2 CA certificates and that the one used to sign non-windows stuff is optional for manufacturers to include. Could this have been caused by that certificate missing or is there soething else
1226 [15:37:03] <mzajc> that I'm missing?
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1229 [15:37:22] <wald0> does the FGLRX packages stopped to exist?
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1233 [15:38:36] <greycat> dpkg fglrx
1234 [15:38:37] <dpkg> fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see replaced-url
1235 [15:39:58] <wald0> yeah, "wheezy" & "jessie" details, but nothing about stretch or higher (actually interested on buster)
1236 [15:40:49] <greycat> Is the radeon driver failing in some way?
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1241 [15:42:10] <wald0> i dont know yet (not tested), just searching how the fgrlx driver used in the past is supported now
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1243 [15:42:46] <greycat> It's not.
1244 [15:42:50] <greycat> It never has been.
1245 [15:42:52] <themsay> I'm setting up Debian for C programming, but I'm getting unknown character on gnome-terminal. What could be the issue I have set system wide locale to en_US.UTF-8 and terminal unicode to utf-8. Any idea what could be issue?
1246 [15:42:55] * wald0 smells that buster is going to be a very good release
1247 [15:43:22] <greycat> themsay: perhaps you need to install more fonts, or perhaps this character is simply beyond your terminal's ability to handle
1248 [15:43:34] <wald0> greycat: so you mean that those people that strictly required in the past the fglrx driver, will not have graphical system working in buster?
1249 [15:43:52] <greycat> fglrx is proprietary and has never been supported by Debian.
1250 [15:44:17] * wald0 confused
1251 [15:44:28] <petn-randall> wald0: About what?
1252 [15:44:53] <themsay> greycat: Do you know the font name or package?
1253 [15:45:02] <wald0> petn-randall: so i think that fglrx was available on the repos (?), non-free at least
1254 [15:45:07] <greycat> How could I possibly know? You never said which character it is.
1255 [15:45:08] <petn-randall> wald0: fglrx has never been supported in Debian, but was packaged in non-free in the past. AMD is building FOSS drivers for their newer graphics cards which makes using fglrx obsolete.
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1257 [15:45:32] <wald0> themsay: which window-manager?
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1259 [15:45:55] <petn-randall> In the past = 5 years ago, in jessie
1260 [15:46:12] <themsay> wald0: xfce
1261 [15:46:14] <greycat> ,v fglrx-driver
1262 [15:46:15] <judd> Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u2
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1264 [15:46:38] <wald0> petn-randall: ok, this makes sense, but "newer graphic cards" means that it only will work with newer ones but not with the ones that needed -that- fglrx driver it in the past? (old cards)
1265 [15:47:00] <themsay> greycat: The character look like boxes
1266 [15:47:05] <petn-randall> wald0: Well, if you have a 10+ years old graphics card, yes, it might not work.
1267 [15:47:30] <greycat> themsay: you have to find out what character it is. Get the Unicode code point, or the raw bytes, or tell us how you produced the character.
1268 [15:47:33] <wald0> themsay: try to run "LANG=en.US.UTF-8 gnome-terminal", if works, the problem may be your window manager (or login manager)
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1270 [15:47:41] <petn-randall> wald0: But even the FOSS drivers for my old radeon works fine.
1271 [15:48:10] <themsay> I'm Debian stretch
1272 [15:48:19] <petn-randall> wald0: Note that fglrx drops support for older cards pretty fast, usually as soon as there's rudimentary FOSS driver support.
1273 [15:48:31] <wald0> petn-randall: ok, hum, on such case will be needed to download the old fglrx installers from the ati websites? (i wonder if they still works with newer xorg)
1274 [15:48:44] <petn-randall> Again, nothing that Debian can do anything about, since we have no control of how fglrx is developed.
1275 [15:48:49] <greycat> wald0: or, you could try the radeon driver
1276 [15:49:02] <cryptodan> wald0: the fglrx has not been openly developed since ubuntu 12.10 and later
1277 [15:49:22] <wald0> greycat: well, i have see some computers in the past (wheezy past) that only worked with the fglrx but not with the radeon one
1278 [15:49:28] <wald0> don't know about buster atm
1279 [15:49:35] <cryptodan> wald0: so on older cards all you are left with is the ati/radeon driver
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1282 [15:50:03] <wald0> sounds like "have it working by default or just trash the trashy card" :)
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1285 [15:50:11] <themsay> QUBES_KEYMAP=xkb_keymap {
1286 [15:50:11] <themsay> xkb_keycodes { include "evdev+aliases(qwerty)" };
1287 [15:50:11] <themsay> xkb_types { include "complete" };
1288 [15:50:11] <themsay> xkb_compat { include "complete" };
1289 [15:50:11] <themsay> xkb_symbols { include "pc+us+gb:2+inet(evdev)" };
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1295 [15:52:22] <mzajc> Anyone has any clue about my question from before?
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1300 [15:53:24] <wald0> mzajc: have you updated to the last packages? if im not wrong, yesterday has been some bts's closed about that
1301 [15:54:01] <wald0> mzajc: but i may better suggest to simply burn the m1cr0sht house :)
1302 [15:54:08] <mzajc> Yup, just reran apt update. As I said, Buster up to date.
1303 [15:54:15] <mzajc> Burn the what?
1304 [15:54:23] <wald0> microsoft house
1305 [15:54:33] <wald0> so that they will stop to making a worse world
1306 [15:56:05] <mzajc> Sure, but I'm currently just looking for a viable solution.
1307 [15:56:08] <themsay> My bad for flooding the forum
1308 [15:56:33] <abrotman> dpkg: tell themsay about paste
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1310 [15:57:09] <greycat> You need to paste the Unicode code point, or the raw UTF-8 bytes, or the method by which you produced the character. Whatever that xkb stuff was, it's not relevant.
1311 [15:57:23] <greycat> Hell, even pasting the character itself may work.
1312 [15:57:25] <themsay> I just tried through emacs shell I get this unicode \3771
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1314 [15:58:01] <greycat> replaced-url
1315 [15:58:26] <greycat> Are you sure that's the unicode code point? A leading backslash is not the normal way to represent those.
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1317 [15:59:04] <wald0> themsay: export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 ; gnome-terminal make it working?
1318 [15:59:16] <themsay> That's the way it appeared on on emacs but on terminal is just a box.
1319 [15:59:59] <wald0> themsay: sudo locale-gen
1320 [16:00:26] <wald0> but your problem seems like to be that your LANG is wrongly configured
1321 [16:01:04] <themsay> waldO: I have done that already.
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1323 [16:02:06] <themsay> wald0: terminal env shows LANG=en_US.UTF
1324 [16:02:50] <jcrain> themsay: also, a description of what you are doing could help. are you editing a file in emacs? something else?
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1327 [16:06:02] <mzajc> Any other solutions (other than burning down microsoft's HQ) to my previous issue?
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1334 [16:08:41] <Logitech> I installed Kodi from the package manager, but its an old version. How do I update it? Can I do it in terminal? I'm in AntiX linux, basically its debian
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1337 [16:11:20] <themsay> jcrain: page 17 second edition: "The C Programming Language" code ```int main() { int c; while (c = (getchar() != EOF)) putchar(c); return 0; }```
1338 [16:12:22] <dyre17> Hello. Looking for some good supplementary material to the official website. I am looking for some good security hardening guides or best practices, and have gone over replaced-url
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1341 [16:14:35] <jcrain> themsay: the parenthesis in that code look wrong
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1343 [16:14:52] <themsay> I tried the code on macOS only only input character showed up with any unknow box
1344 [16:15:04] <jcrain> but you are editing what, a .c source file that contains that code?
1345 [16:15:20] <jcrain> or you are running a program compiled from that code?
1346 [16:15:39] <themsay> yeah .c file
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1350 [16:17:10] <themsay> I got the cod from a book "The C programming language"
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1352 [16:17:43] <themsay> I run smooth on macOS
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1354 [16:20:15] <jcrain> themsay: wherever you got it from, the code you typed into IRC is wrong
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1359 [16:23:21] <themsay> jcrain: Note it was indented in the file
1360 [16:23:58] <mzajc> Anyone has any clue about my question from before?
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1362 [16:24:17] <themsay> I notice the book is a bit outdated as well
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1364 [16:25:28] <jcrain> themsay: you were complaining about characters not printing correctly. are you saying that you run your program and it doesn't produce the output you expect?
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1368 [16:27:19] <themsay> No. Many things doesn't display normal on my terminal that the problem, the code is just an example.
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1376 [16:30:15] <themsay> I've export LAND="en_US.UTF-8" but it doesn't help
1377 [16:32:04] <themsay> export LAND="en_US.UTF-8" is now in ~/.bash_profile. I will reboot and check.
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1387 [16:36:48] <EdePopede> themsay: LAND or LANG?
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1392 [16:38:27] <themsay> EdePopede: LANG
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1398 [16:42:52] <themsay> I see two similar output from running env command on terminal, LANG=en_US.UTF-8 and LANGUAGE=en.UTF-8?
1399 [16:43:07] <greycat> that's not what LANGUAGE is for
1400 [16:43:10] <greycat> just ignore that
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1403 [16:43:39] <themsay> graeycat: thanks
1404 [16:44:10] <greycat> Have you pasted the actual character here yet?
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1409 [16:47:14] <themsay> I see show ?
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1412 [16:47:36] <themsay> greycat: It showed ?
1413 [16:47:39] <greycat> the character you pasted right there is a standard question mark, 0x3f
1414 [16:47:52] <greycat> Same on the second one.
1415 [16:48:20] <greycat> Did you copy the offending "box" directly from the terminal and paste it into your IRC session? Or did you press the question mark key?
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1422 [16:51:32] <kalboob> my pc power reset button is broken , is there a way to reset through terminal
1423 [16:52:14] <greycat> the normal reboot command (shutdown -r now) ... or are you saying that commands are not working?
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1425 [16:53:09] <themsay> I don't wanna disturb you guys more with my problem. Thanks all for helping out!
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1431 [16:54:02] <greycat> Translation: "My Debian system is not networked to whatever system I am IRCing from, so I cannot paste the actual character into IRC."
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1433 [16:54:22] <NYTimes> hello guys readlink is giving me the wrong path wtf ?
1434 [16:54:25] <greycat> Which you could have just *said*, and we would have told you how to hex dump the character's bytes locally.
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1436 [16:55:04] <NYTimes> does anyone experienced it ?
1437 [16:55:05] <kalboob> greycat thnx
1438 [16:56:10] <NYTimes> full_path="$(readlink -f $file)" => I get /home/user1/location0 instead of /home/user2/location1
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1440 [16:56:32] <NYTimes> Erratum: full_path="$(readlink -f $file)" => I get /home/user1/location0 instead of /home/user2/location0
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1442 [16:56:43] <greycat> Run ls -l commands manually and track it down.
1443 [16:56:55] <greycat> And stop obfuscating.
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1445 [16:57:11] <greycat> One more "user2" or "location0"
1446 [16:57:16] <greycat> and you go on /ignore.
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1451 [16:58:43] <NYTimes> okay greycat understood
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1454 [16:59:21] <NYTimes> is it possible that it is a permission issue ?
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1456 [17:00:08] <greycat> You're asking whether a symlink can be resolved differently depending on which user you are? No, not to my knowledge.
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1459 [17:01:13] <greycat> Also, just for the record, your "$file" variable needs to be "double quoted".
1460 [17:01:36] <greycat> full_path="$(readlink -f "$file")"
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1465 [17:04:35] <EdePopede> /proc/self/cwd/.. may fit
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1467 [17:04:46] <NYTimes> just tried with realpath and it's worse I get => '../cashstory/DataFactory/CS_WORLD-DATA' cashstory is the $HOME of the user executing the script
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1470 [17:06:05] <greycat> A symlink with literal ../ resolves relative to the directory that the symlink is in. It has nothing to do with the current working directory of the process, or the home dir of the user.
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1472 [17:07:06] <NYTimes> greycat: just added quotes around the variable and still getting => '/home/cashstory/DataFactory/CS_WORLD-DATA' but the folder is located at /home/admin-sftp/data_sources/CS_WORLD-DATA
1473 [17:07:37] <greycat> You'll have to track it down manually. Look at the content of the variable, and then check *every* single directory component.
1474 [17:07:39] <NYTimes> but I'm executing readlink in /home/cashstory/DataFactory/ maybe that's why I get this madness going on
1475 [17:08:14] <greycat> you might start with ls -ld / /home /home/cashstory /home/cashstory/DataFactory
1476 [17:08:15] <NYTimes> the content of the variable is just 'CS_WORLD-DATA'
1477 [17:09:00] <greycat> also "pwd" and "pwd -P"
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1479 [17:09:47] <NYTimes> here is the output of `ls -ld / /home /home/cashstory /home/cashstory/DataFactory` replaced-url
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1481 [17:10:36] <greycat> Paste site requires javascript. Not happening.
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1483 [17:11:36] <NYTimes> where do you want me to paste it >
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1485 [17:12:11] <EdePopede> !paste
1486 [17:12:11] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1487 [17:12:14] <greycat> Mostly I want you to actually *read* it yourself... but if you feel you need someone to read it for you, paste.debian.net or any site that does not require javascript or an account registration.
1488 [17:12:27] <EdePopede> the debian paste even has a link to the raw text
1489 [17:12:32] <greycat> who put that 0bin.net bullshit in that factoid
1490 [17:12:38] <Johann> the eternal "javascript, not happening" vs "clear text on the server, not happening" *bin debate
1491 [17:12:54] <NYTimes> it's alright I've found nothing wrong with the output of `ls -ld / /home /home/cashstory /home/cashstory/DataFactory`
1492 [17:13:15] <greycat> It's a fucking PUBLIC IRC CHANNEL. Everything is PUBLIC. Obviously you don't put secret data there.
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1495 [17:14:49] <greycat> There is no "I am not going to allow my publically pasted data to reside in clear text on the server" camp, and if you profess to be in such a camp, thank you for allowing my /ignore list to grow.
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1497 [17:15:09] <greycat> dpkg, paste =~ s# or replaced-url
1498 [17:15:10] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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1507 [17:20:00] <NYTimes> I really don't understand you greycat
1508 [17:20:59] <greycat> Open a terminal and type lynx and then press a space and then paste your 0bin URL and then press Enter.
1509 [17:21:03] <greycat> Then you will understand me.
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1535 [17:39:40] <NYTimes> :D greycat there is a guy here at work using emacs in tmux googling in lynx wtf ?
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1547 [17:42:56] <NYTimes> I bet to get notifications from irc you have set a libnotify server and that you have a computer that no one else can use <3
1548 [17:44:13] <NYTimes> btw I've found why readlink was bugging greycat that's because it was inside a inotifywait context
1549 [17:45:48] <greycat> so readlink -f CS_WORLD-DATA gives you different results in the shell than it does in this "inotifywait context" even for the same user in the same current working directory?
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1556 [17:51:24] <NYTimes> didn't try with the same user in the same current dir but just with the same file at the same path in and outside the "inotifywait context"
1557 [17:51:55] <NYTimes> thank you greycat for helping thinking about this madness
1558 [17:52:01] <NYTimes> o/
1559 [17:52:24] <NYTimes> I salute you lynx user :D
1560 [17:52:57] <jelly> he should migrate to links2 or elinks!
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1562 [17:54:20] <NYTimes> ah ! or even firefox cause I'm sure he won't use chrome ;p
1563 [17:54:41] <greycat> I tried w3m for a while but I could never get used to the key bindings. And then when I moved entirely over to Debian instead of HP-UX with ssh to older servers, lynx started working again (for the moment), so I went back.
1564 [17:54:56] <NYTimes> Oh ! I forgot he does not have a mouse
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1566 [17:55:03] <greycat> I do use firefox and google-chrome for sites of MY choosing, but for unsolicited user pastes from IRC I only use a terminal based browser without javascript.
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1569 [17:55:28] <jelly> that seems sane from an opsec perspective
1570 [17:55:58] <NYTimes> replaced-url
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1575 [17:57:29] <kalboob>                                                                                                                            
1576 [17:57:30] <kalboob>                                                    
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1578 [17:59:51] <jelly> kalboob: don't do that
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1582 [18:02:05] <kalboob> ok
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1615 [18:21:05] <milkt> how can i spin down external hdd before i eject it?
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1618 [18:22:15] <SwedeMike> milkt: why do you want to spin it down? The important thing is to unmount the file system before removing it
1619 [18:22:31] <jelly> milkt: after unmounting it, you can echo 1 > /sys/block/sdWHATEVER/device/delete (as root)
1620 [18:22:44] <milkt> eh... filesystem is not mounted, and hdd is not used, but it still not spin down
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1622 [18:22:52] <milkt> jelly: thanks, i'll try
1623 [18:23:06] <jelly> does not work on all the enclosures
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1625 [18:23:41] <jhutchins_wk> I believe hdparm will allow you to spin down a drive on command.
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1632 [18:25:12] <jelly> I don't think I've ever seen hdparm work with any usb sata bridge
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1637 [18:28:08] <milkt> jelly: /sys/block/sdX/device/delete worked as expected, thank you
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1644 [18:30:05] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: It worked for me, I set the spin-down time on my external drive and it does as expected.
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1816 [20:25:40] <Greyztar> Sleaker: thanks!
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1894 [21:12:23] <wald0> yay, finally in buster apt-get update is much faster!
1895 [21:12:35] <wald0> seems like it only downloads "changes" and not the entire files
1896 [21:12:41] <wald0> i wonder which technology uses to do that
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1898 [21:12:44] <greycat> That has always been the case, long before buster.
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1900 [21:13:16] <greycat> well, maybe not "always", but a reaaaally long time
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1917 [21:22:07] <i-node> hello, so, I can install debian using debootstrap in a chroot system while my main system is for example gentoo?
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1920 [21:22:39] <greycat> That's the goal, yes.
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1922 [21:22:48] <i-node> ok, thank you greycat
1923 [21:22:58] <greycat> Just make sure the kernel is compatible with the libs and programs in the chroot.
1924 [21:23:07] <i-node> ok
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1934 [21:26:38] <Tiger-Valentine> Hey, is Debian considered Linux?
1935 [21:26:47] <zleap> Tiger-Valentine: yes
1936 [21:26:47] <Sleaker> debian uses the linux kernel, yes.
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1938 [21:27:32] <Tiger-Valentine> Thanks
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1940 [21:27:39] <wald0> greycat: but if im not wrong, there's a single Packages.xx file in the repos (not .pdiff like before), do you know how its managed to updated it with only the differences?
1941 [21:27:44] <zleap> Tiger-Valentine: how can we help ?
1942 [21:27:51] <wald0> looks similar to the torrent or zsync technology
1943 [21:28:16] <greycat> I don't know the implementation details. It's some kind of binary diff, and it's been that way for many years.
1944 [21:28:19] <Sleaker> wald0: I don't think there are tools to recompute a Packages file via diffing
1945 [21:28:25] <Tiger-Valentine> zleap, just a stupid argument :P I consider Debian and Ubuntu to be Linux, and Linux to not simply be the kernel.
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1947 [21:28:53] <diogenes_> Tiger-Valentine, there is also debian hurd which is not linux.
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1950 [21:29:22] <Tiger-Valentine> Indeed
1951 [21:29:33] <phazon> debian also had the freebsd kernel before it was discontinued
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1953 [21:30:13] <zleap> Well I think technically debian is GNU + Linux,
1954 [21:30:23] <greycat> !kfreebsd
1955 [21:30:23] <dpkg> Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures since Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns. replaced-url
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1959 [21:31:47] <somiaj> Debian likes to think of itself as the 'universial operating system' and has tried not to tie itself to the linux kernel. But in practice almost everyone who uses debian also uses the linux kernel with it.
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1964 [21:33:24] <ChunkzZ> When can we expect a new Debian release?
1965 [21:33:41] <greycat> !wir
1966 [21:33:41] <dpkg> i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>.
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1969 [21:33:56] <ChunkzZ> Lol.
1970 [21:33:59] <somiaj> When it is ready is the debian time line. Buster has been frozen for a few months now, so the release will be sometime in the next few months (maybe more)
1971 [21:34:09] <ChunkzZ> Not the answer I was looking for but ok.
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1975 [21:34:32] <somiaj> Ideally it is ready when the rc bug count reaches 0, but in practice not all rc bugs are fixed before the release date (and some are found after the release)
1976 [21:34:33] <greycat> Debian doesn't release on a time line. They release when the critical bug count is sufficiently low.
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1978 [21:34:54] <mutante> let's ask the other way. why did you want a specific date
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1980 [21:35:00] <mutante> you can already install buster now
1981 [21:35:07] <ChunkzZ> Oh, good to know.
1982 [21:35:07] <zleap> I would also guess as we are currently on 9.8 we should expect 9.9 first
1983 [21:35:31] <greycat> stable point releases are completely separate from new major version releases
1984 [21:35:35] <somiaj> zleap: stretch may get another point release before/after the buster release, as those two things are not tied together.
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1986 [21:35:50] <zleap> somiaj: ah thanks
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1989 [21:36:34] <somiaj> there is usually an annoucment about a week before the release, and you can follow the rc-bug count to see how progress is being made.....trying to find a link.
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1991 [21:36:42] <mutante> ChunkzZ: you could either install buster (what is soon called stable) now and wait until it just become the release.. or you could install jessie now and later upgrade it
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2012 [21:54:32] <Sleaker> hmm question on apt. we just swapped our apt server. and now when clients try to download files from it they get a hash sum mismatch on the Packages files.
2013 [21:54:49] <Sleaker> but the md5sums all match and such. so I'm a little confused as to what causes that.
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2015 [21:56:41] <Sleaker> only happens for the older repositories that we had archived.
2016 [21:56:50] <Sleaker> newly generated ones seem to work jsut fine
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2052 [22:19:23] <JohnA> how big should the efi partition be?
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2056 [22:20:56] <dropkick500> JohnA: Eh, 100-300 MB, I'd say
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2077 [22:41:19] <i-node> is it safe to use the same swap device for two distros at the same time? (one chrooted)
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2083 [22:42:44] <bernyrd> hi
2084 [22:42:56] <bernyrd> I use usbip to forward a device to a machine, and then I wish to pass it to a VM
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2088 [22:43:18] <bernyrd> I can do the usbip forward, but it looks like hid-generic binds to the device and consequently qemu gets read eror
2089 [22:43:24] <bernyrd> I try to make udev rule
2090 [22:43:27] <bernyrd> it did not work:
2091 [22:43:49] <bernyrd> SUBSYSTEM=="input", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0001", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1efe", ATTR{authorized}="0"
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2093 [22:44:20] <dropkick500> i-node: As far as i know as long as you're not hibernating the os or trying to use two swaps when one is in a VM, everything should be fine as the swap is most likely unloaded when you restart to switch OSes
2094 [22:44:48] <i-node> ok, thank you dropkick500
2095 [22:45:32] <dropkick500> NP
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2101 [22:48:23] <JohnA> dropkick500, thanks, When I tried the auto install it set it 538mb
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2132 [23:07:53] <i-node> oh, I see that debian has adopted systemd per default
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2134 [23:08:23] <i-node> last time I used debian sid, potato was stable version lol
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2138 [23:11:01] <zleap> i-node: yeah systemd is default there is a fork called devuan that uses system v
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2147 [23:13:27] <zleap> ah buster rc-1 is out
2148 [23:13:45] <zleap> what order are these things in like beta-alpha-rc-release
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2184 [23:37:29] <Sleaker> alright I tracked my issue down to the apache server mangling the Packages file.
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2186 [23:37:31] <Sleaker> wierd
2187 [23:37:46] <Sleaker> not sure how to fix this though.
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2202 [23:46:26] <gabrielschulhof> Hey! How can I tell dpkg -l to not format the output? I want something I can give to diff so I can get a before/after picture of installed packages.
2203 [23:47:00] <kadiro> hello, I was trying to download debian stable 64bit from replaced-url
2204 [23:47:13] <gabrielschulhof> Turns out some packages get upgraded and the new name is longer than the old name, so the number of characters per column changes, causing the whole file to be different.
2205 [23:47:34] <mutante> kadiro: you can also torrent them
2206 [23:47:50] <mutante> kadiro: or you can get the tiny netinstall image and let it download the rest during install.. only what is needed
2207 [23:48:45] <kadiro> mutante, I was thinking about netinstall but that will take one day
2208 [23:48:49] <gabrielschulhof> Oh, nm, diff -ub ignores white space.
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2213 [23:51:07] <mutante> kadiro: but it would still be less data to download vs. the full CD image
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2216 [23:52:12] <kadiro> mutante, you right, i have another problem with my old pc, the fan do a full noise on downloading installing at night, for that i was forced to use the full iso
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2220 [23:54:27] <kadiro> mutante, another question, what's the version of kernel on this debian stable?
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2227 [23:59:35] <mutante> kadiro: currently i see 4.19.0-2-amd64 on buster
2228 [23:59:41] <mutante> on my example machine that is
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