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21 [00:11:39] <adac> on apt update getting:
22 [00:11:43] <adac> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
23 [00:11:51] <adac> any ideas?
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25 [00:12:20] <Sleaker> jessie-updates is a stub archive with no contents now I believe.
26 [00:12:35] * EdePopede points adac to the topic
27 [00:14:22] <jhutchins> Sleaker: Yeah, they were all merged. There are no new updates.
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59 [00:32:50] <Roranicus> hey, I have a questions. I just installed Buster, and I'm trying to start profanity, but I'm getting a "CURL OPENSSL 3 not found" error. What research I could do was a bit confusing. Can anyone help?
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65 [00:36:09] <mutante> Roranicus: openssl 3 is really outdated and insecure and got dropped in favor of TLS 1.x and what you are running is trying to use libcurl3 instead of libcurl4-openssl-dev .. or so
66 [00:36:43] <mutante> maybe it would work if you installed libcurl3 but the real fix is whatever profanity is needs to be updated
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70 [00:39:34] <Roranicus> It's an xmpp client
71 [00:40:18] <Roranicus> and yeah, sounds like what my research said.
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82 [00:46:19] <Roranicus> I submitted a bug report, since it looks like a dependancy issue.
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146 [01:30:38] <rosewater> Yo
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153 [01:36:23] <epsilon> is there any maintained & usable web browser in current stable beside firefox?
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159 [01:38:54] <imkillroy> hello, im trying to mount my gdrive using rclone and i get the following error: Fatal error: failed to mount FUSE fs: fusermount: exec: "fusermount": executable file not found in $PATH
160 [01:39:19] <imkillroy> i dont have root on this box (feralhosting) and followed their guide to install it, and this is my first attempt to mount my gdrive there
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165 [01:41:54] <mutante> imkillroy: for me that file is /bin/fusermount do you have that file? i assume /bin is in your $PATH
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168 [01:42:38] <imkillroy> i guess my box does not support fuse :/ thanks
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171 [01:43:20] <mutante> imkillroy: dpkg -l | grep fuse .. does it return anything?
172 [01:43:32] <mutante> dpkg -l fuse ... even
173 [01:43:32] <dpkg> ii fuse ... even 1.8-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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178 [01:44:20] <imkillroy> mutante nope, i was just told by staff it has security issues for them
179 [01:44:54] <mutante> imkillroy: ugh, ok.. without root or changing hosting ..cant do much then
180 [01:44:59] <mutante> afaict
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183 [01:45:37] <imkillroy> im looking at switching, for $5 more i can get rclone+gdrive support, and 2TB extra local storage
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189 [01:49:48] <mason> Haha, none of you told me. No SecureBoot until Buster.
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283 [03:02:41] <BreccaBronding> is ubuntu based on debian testing or unstable?
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286 [03:13:26] <Bjornn> Ubuntu history overlaps with debian to some extent but is a seperate entity.
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297 [03:19:24] <BreccaBronding> I think the x86 architecture is a bit outdated, but it is nice to have a working "modern" stable stretch 9.8 version distro debian gnu/linux on my eeepc, 1000H. it uses intel atom and is an x86, 32-bit architecture.
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361 [04:40:00] <tya99> so i'm having some issues with stretch/buster and firefox with invalid certs
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364 [04:40:20] <tya99> CN GeoTrust RSA CA 2018, O DigiCert Inc isn't being detected as a valid certificate
365 [04:40:43] <tya99> i think i'm missing some package
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367 [04:45:58] <tya99> and i know the certificate is valid, as the site works on my archlinux machine
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369 [04:46:52] <jmcnaught> stretch and buster, you're not supposed to mix those. CA certificates are in the ca-certificates package
370 [04:47:04] <tya99> jmcnaught: not mixing, two separate VMs
371 [04:47:13] <tya99> the site in question is replaced-url
372 [04:47:32] <tya99> ca-certificates is already the newest version (20190110).
373 [04:48:03] <jmcnaught> the certificate for that site works for me in firefox-esr
374 [04:48:21] <tya99> well it doesn't in firefox-esr on debian for me
375 [04:48:43] <tya99> and i have ca-certificates installed (clean profile too)
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377 [04:49:09] <tya99> in fact this vm really has very litle besides i3wm, firefox and lightdm
378 [04:49:26] <tya99> im guessing that you're using gnome or something?
379 [04:49:32] <jmcnaught> yes
380 [04:49:34] <tya99> it might be some dependency that i do not have
381 [04:49:58] <tya99> which in that case really is a bug, because the firefox-esr package should depend on whatever that is
382 [04:51:32] <tya99> i wonder what the package could be
383 [04:52:27] <jmcnaught> well firefox-esr doesn't depend on ca-certificates, so maybe it uses its own CA certificate store… did you try chromium or another browser?
384 [04:52:46] <tya99> i have got ca-certificates installed though
385 [04:52:51] <tya99> and yes it does work with chromium
386 [04:52:58] <tya99> so for some reason firefox isn't using it?
387 [04:53:31] <tya99> looking at Baltimore for example
388 [04:53:34] <jmcnaught> I think it would depend on the ca-certificates package if it needed it
389 [04:53:41] <tya99> i can see that my Debian system only has Baltimore CyberTrust Root
390 [04:53:53] <tya99> where as my archlinux machine has Cloudflare, Digicert, Microsoft IT TLS,
391 [04:53:58] <tya99> so yeah
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396 [04:56:56] <tya99> oh wait the ones that are on my archlinux machine are "Software Security Device"
397 [04:57:13] <tya99> most of the ones in Debian only seem to be "Builtin Object Token"
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403 [05:01:56] <tya99> and yeah, the site works in chromium
404 [05:02:30] <epsilon> The chain on that site is "DigiCert Global Root CA" -> "GeoTrust RSA CA 2018" -> "*.hostplus.com.au"
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406 [05:02:50] <jmcnaught> tya99: so it looks to me like firefox keeps its certificates in the user profile, there's a cert8.db and cert9.db in my firefox profile. This also makes sense because Firefox uses NSS for SSL/TLS which stores certs in a database format, while ca-certificates is a bunch of PEM files
407 [05:03:09] <tya99> well i deleted the entire ~/.mozilla directory
408 [05:03:14] <tya99> it should create it as it should
409 [05:03:16] <jmcnaught> I don't know where that cert8.db in the profile comes from initially though
410 [05:03:49] <tya99> i have a cert9.db
411 [05:03:57] <tya99> but no cert8db
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413 [05:04:24] <tya99> on my archlinux machine i don't have a cert8.db either
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416 [05:06:23] <tya99> replaced-url
417 [05:06:34] <tya99> incidentally that's another site which comes up with an invalid certificate
418 [05:07:30] <tya99> which shouldn't.
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420 [05:08:29] <tya99> it's also a Digicert cert, except that the CN is Thawte RSA CA 2018
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424 [05:12:57] <tya99> replaced-url
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432 [05:24:28] <tya99> by the looks of it the gnome package installs firefox
433 [05:24:37] <tya99> i will try installing gnome-core
434 [05:24:40] <tya99> and see if that helps
435 [05:26:03] <tya99> guess i could try installing epiphany-browser
436 [05:26:59] <OneManHateGroup> OMG... The linux gods have forsaken me... I cannot install software because I have "held" packages... I have read every post that mentioned an issues like this, but I am not able to purge android-androresolvd that is causing the conflict.... Attached are apt-get update and upgrade... plez halp
437 [05:26:59] <OneManHateGroup> replaced-url
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439 [05:28:27] <tya99> devuan is not debian you know
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442 [05:29:45] <OneManHateGroup> The ubuntu folks sent me over here... It seems very like the problem that all the Ubuntu folks solved 6 years ago
443 [05:30:00] <tya99> well they were wrong, they should have sent you to #devuan :P
444 [05:30:09] <OneManHateGroup> aight
445 [05:30:11] <tya99> because that problem looks specific to rc initscripts
446 [05:30:17] <tya99> and debian uses systemd
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448 [05:30:51] <OneManHateGroup> thanks y'all
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453 [05:35:50] <tya99> jmcnaught: those pages don't work in epiphany either
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465 [05:56:53] <LucMove> Hey. Can I use libc6_2.28-8 on Stretch?
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468 [06:00:59] <jmcnaught> LucMove: no, but you can in a chroot or a container
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470 [06:01:31] <LucMove> Why not? What would the conflict be?
471 [06:01:41] <themill> LucMove: please don't mix packages from sid with stretch
472 [06:02:37] <LucMove> please? What is wrong with that? I already do in fact.
473 [06:04:45] <themill> It's an unsupported mess. If it works, that's great. It's not intended to work and often won't.
474 [06:05:13] <themill> When people talk about dependency hell, they are doing this. If you don't mix releases, there is no such thing.
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476 [06:06:13] <LucMove> So you haven't really tried libc6 2.28 on Stretch because you're too afraid to do it.
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478 [06:07:10] <themill> that will probably work only because libc is very good at not deprecating functions. All the other libraries you are mixing are completely untested combinations.
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480 [06:07:19] <themill> *If* they work, it is purely by luck.
481 [06:08:00] <themill> I'm not sure what your approach to life is, but I tend to look for something stronger than "dumb luck" in my engineering decisions.
482 [06:09:08] <LucMove> I am not mixing "all the other libraries". It's just this one. And I have backups of my entire system. Geez, what a lot of assumptions.
483 [06:09:24] <themill> packages seldom only have a dependency on libc6.
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485 [06:10:08] <themill> And in the absence of you providing useful information, all I can do is provide general answers which is "don't don that".
486 [06:10:31] <tya99> jmcnaught: well installing gnome, didn't help
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488 [06:10:46] <LucMove> Why do people in Linux so often resort to fear and threats so to keep people "in line"?
489 [06:10:50] <themill> wtf?
490 [06:11:04] <tya99> > LucMove ╡ please? What is wrong with that? I already do in fact.
491 [06:11:09] <tya99> cos it could fuck up your system
492 [06:11:36] <themill> LucMove: You asked a question, two people answered it and I went on to answer your followup questions. You consider those answers to be threats.
493 [06:11:40] <LucMove> aaaaand I just got this in a private message: "(notice) friendly reminder that your talking to an op". More fear tactics. sigh
494 [06:11:45] <themill> If you don't want answers, then please don't ask questions.
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496 [06:12:03] <tya99> replaced-url
497 [06:12:14] <tya99> specifically replaced-url
498 [06:12:17] <themill> LucMove: I don't think this is going to be productive any further. Let's move on.
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501 [06:13:58] <LucMove> Well, I am not ready to upgrade my system, that is quite a headache. But there are programs that are getting too old and I definitely would like to get their new versions.
502 [06:14:17] <tya99> well then you're best bet is to upgrade the system
503 [06:14:22] <CarlFK> how do I remove all things pulse-audio?
504 [06:14:32] <tya99> because chances are those 'newer versions' will have 'newer dependencies'
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506 [06:14:38] * LucMove said: "Well, I am not ready to upgrade my system, that is quite a headache."
507 [06:14:41] <themill> LucMove: do backports already exist or are they easy enough to make? that's always a more supportable route than mixing releases.
508 [06:15:10] <LucMove> themill: I don't know. I am not familiar with backports. I guess the answer would be no.
509 [06:15:20] <themill> we could always help you find out
510 [06:15:37] <tya99> replaced-url
511 [06:15:45] <LucMove> I am terrible at building from source. There's always something that breaks.
512 [06:15:47] <CarlFK> I have a box that just runs 1 app, the app uses alsa to read from a usb sound device. right now I'm getting a desktop notifaction of the speaker being muted, and ah tool tip says "not connected to the pulseaudio server "
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514 [06:15:58] <qman__> creating a frankendebian is going to be a much bigger headache than an upgrade
515 [06:16:08] <qman__> guaranteed
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517 [06:16:17] <qman__> that's precisely why you shouldn't do it
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519 [06:18:26] <LucMove> Is [replaced-url
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522 [06:19:43] <tya99> CarlFK: what app?
523 [06:20:00] <tya99> afaik some things might not work without pulseaudio
524 [06:20:03] <CarlFK> tya99: replaced-url
525 [06:20:09] <LucMove> I just checked, looks like not. So I already have it in my sources.list. So no.
526 [06:20:18] <CarlFK> it's a gstreamer pipeline
527 [06:20:38] <tya99> ah fair enough
528 [06:21:22] <themill> LucMove: what's this package out of interest?
529 [06:21:23] <CarlFK> given that, how to I remove all things pulse? something is causing the gst thing to get stuck, and the notification is super annoying
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531 [06:21:56] <CarlFK> tya99: if you like looking at gst pipelines: replaced-url
532 [06:22:23] <LucMove> themill: A few, but the I guess the worst offender is zathura. I love it, but current in Stretch is very old and buggy.
533 [06:22:50] <tya99> well that should be rather simple to make a backport of
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535 [06:23:13] <themill> LucMove: it looks to be simple enough to first backprot libgirara-dev then zathura
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541 [06:24:49] <tya99> replaced-url
542 [06:26:04] <LucMove> I've done that and I don't know how to do it. I suck at that. I can barely write scripts.
543 [06:26:24] <tya99> shouldn't have to write any scripts as they are already written
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546 [06:27:19] <LucMove> Oh well... dep: libc6 (>= 2.28). Back to square one.
547 [06:28:24] <LucMove> I have already downloaded source from the official site and tried to build it. I failed as usual.
548 [06:28:41] <tya99> what was the error?
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551 [06:29:24] <LucMove> I don't remember. That was two weeks ago. I can try again...
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554 [06:30:02] <LucMove> I'm also interested in fish-shell, spacefm and gimp. Spacefm only depends on udevil which upgraded fine here. Then there is libc6... but it has to be 2.28-8. That is frustrating, because I'll bet it would run on Stretch without the imposed requirement.
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558 [06:30:44] <tya99> replaced-url
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560 [06:31:39] <LucMove> 10 lines of output. Should I post it here or go to pastebin?
561 [06:31:50] <tya99> what do you think/
562 [06:32:11] <tya99> do you see other people posting 10 lines of output?
563 [06:32:17] <LucMove> Dunno. I don't usually come here. I don't know the rules.
564 [06:33:29] <LucMove> replaced-url
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566 [06:34:29] <tya99> well that's not really all that helpful
567 [06:34:42] <tya99> Meson encountered an error in file meson_options.txt, line 1, column 0:
568 [06:34:43] <tya99> Unknown type feature.
569 [06:35:02] <LucMove> you don't say
570 [06:35:13] <tya99> so i would have a look at what line 1 is in that file
571 [06:35:14] <LucMove> That much I can read.
572 [06:35:22] <CarlFK> sudo apt remove xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin ... The following packages will be REMOVED: xfce4 - isn't that the whole DM?
573 [06:35:30] <LucMove> first lline: option('sqlite',
574 [06:35:45] <themill> LucMove: the dependency on the newer version of libc6 is because the binary won't even start without that newer libc6. It can be recompiled against the older version, but if compiled against the new version, it can't run with the old version.
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578 [06:36:22] <themill> LucMove: my suggestion of backporting was not to try compiling from upstream source but to try recompiling the debian package from sid against stretch. That is in general a much simpler task.
579 [06:36:23] <themill> !ssb
580 [06:36:23] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
581 [06:38:11] <LucMove> themill: Interesting. I'll be milling over it right now. (see what I did there)
582 [06:38:21] <themill> boomtish
583 [06:38:29] <tya99> replaced-url
584 [06:38:38] <LucMove> I promise I won't be here all night.
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588 [06:41:18] <LucMove> Shouldn't I add a deb-src line for buster instead of sid?
589 [06:43:08] <rant> CarlFK: no, thats a metapackage that depends on and installs the entire DE (not DM) by removing a single pieces you can no longer keep the metapackage
590 [06:43:28] <rant> ,i xfce4
591 [06:43:29] <judd> Package xfce4 (xfce, optional) in stretch/amd64: Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment. Version: 4.12.3; Size: 7.8k; Installed: 16k; Homepage: replaced-url
592 [06:43:32] <CarlFK> rant: ah, thanks.
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594 [06:44:53] <themill> LucMove: that would work too
595 [06:45:12] <LucMove> thanks
596 [06:45:16] <CarlFK> welp, got rid of the anoying message, but my gst app still broken
597 [06:45:33] <rant> CarlFK: metapackages dont contain anything, their dependencies and such merely serve purposes of installation and upgrades.. often old metapackages are kept in newer releases to transition from something old to something new
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602 [06:50:07] <LucMove> I wish the packages I want were as popular as wesnoth...
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605 [06:50:55] <CarlFK> anyone want to guess at some packages to remove before I reinstall the os?
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607 [06:53:04] <LucMove> build-dep also wants a lot of dependencies. How is that supposed to be simpler? replaced-url
608 [06:54:02] <tya99> for a desktop machine at this point i'd probably be using buster
609 [06:54:11] <tya99> considering it is in freeze
610 [06:54:13] <themill> LucMove: you need to backport libgirara-dev and install that backported package first. The rest would come from stretch-backports
611 [06:54:22] <tya99> that too
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614 [06:55:24] <rant> CarlFK: apt remove *pulse*
615 [06:55:37] <rant> CarlFK: may be rather broad, but sounds like you want broad strokes
616 [06:56:11] <LucMove> Here we go again. replaced-url
617 [06:56:32] <CarlFK> rant: yep. thanks.
618 [06:56:42] <rant> CarlFK: chances are if you are literally using this machine for a singular task you made huge errors in setting it up anyhow.. as a DE and probably even X were not requirements for this
619 [06:57:19] <CarlFK> rant: there is a little last minutes R&D going on
620 [06:57:39] <CarlFK> X is to open a window and display a v4l stream
621 [06:58:07] <rant> CarlFK: yes well that can be done over SDL, FB, and furthermore vnc and such satisfy the X11 protocol requirements
622 [06:58:32] <rant> and if it were to only do one thing you don't need anything more than maybe a window manager at most
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632 [07:05:53] <CarlFK> is there a way to tell apt: use this dir full of deb's?
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634 [07:06:40] <CarlFK> I guess there is no index
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636 [07:07:10] <paul___> any simpleway to strip? out leading and trailing whitespace in history output
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638 [07:07:32] <LucMove> I'm looking at replaced-url
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640 [07:08:48] <rant> paul___: history|awk '{$1=$1}1'
641 [07:09:50] <rant> sed 's/^[ \t]*//;s/[ \t]*$//' is another option
642 [07:11:16] <paul___> sweet
643 [07:11:18] <paul___> ty
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646 [07:13:13] <paul___> my understndins is regex consists of some seq of repetion operators and the actual regex
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648 [07:15:27] <paul___> ill have to experient
649 [07:15:33] <paul___> thanks rant
650 [07:16:46] <LucMove> sed 's/\s*(.+)\s*/\1/'
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652 [07:17:14] <LucMove> hm... sed -r 's/\s*(.+)\s*/\1/'
653 [07:17:47] <LucMove> I never remember what needs to be escaped, so I always cheat.
654 [07:18:38] <LucMove> that one was for paul___
655 [07:19:09] <paul___> ty lucMove
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658 [07:19:16] <paul___> so powerful is sed
659 [07:19:19] <paul___> incredible
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661 [07:19:38] <paul___> ill have to really read up
662 [07:20:17] <LucMove> Yes, but line juggling can get awfully confusing so I prefer to use a perl script or similar.
663 [07:20:17] <paul___> in college we used awk to format txt files ...was blown away how just a one liner can do so much
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667 [07:21:04] <paul___> anyone here ever mess w CL?
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669 [07:21:43] <paul___> my java teacher said lisp is the granddaddy of all langs
670 [07:23:55] <paul___> time for man sed ...lots of reading
671 [07:24:03] <paul___> yipeeeee
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673 [07:24:20] <themill> LucMove: you need to install those packages from stretch-backports
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675 [07:26:04] <LucMove> themill: Which ones? All of them have showstopping dependencies.
676 [07:26:17] <LucMove> paul___: have a look at this replaced-url
677 [07:27:15] <paul___> ty
678 [07:27:32] <LucMove> paul___: replaced-url
679 [07:28:31] <LucMove> I found that one in 2001. Very old page. Still in business.
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684 [07:31:33] <themill> LucMove: do you have stretch-backports in your sources.list and have you run apt-get update?
685 [07:31:44] <LucMove> yes
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687 [07:32:11] <themill> then "aptitude build-dep libgirara-dev" should be fine
688 [07:33:06] <LucMove> Nope. replaced-url
689 [07:34:08] <themill> apt-get ≠ aptitude
690 [07:35:22] <LucMove> I don't have it. I've read a few warnings about aptitude doing nasty things to people's systems.
691 [07:35:33] <themill> only people who don't reaed
692 [07:36:11] <themill> for this, you can also use "apt-get -t stretch-backports …"
693 [07:36:35] <LucMove> FreeBSD people love to say that. Does it perchance involve some 3,000 page manual?
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695 [07:37:03] <themill> no, it means "Do you want to remove … Y/n?" requires to you to read rather than just hit enter.
696 [07:37:38] <LucMove> Ah, ok. I always say no to those.
697 [07:38:20] <themill> Anyway, neither apt-get nor aptitude are going to fix your installation of libgtk-3-dev -- if that is not installable still, then that will be because of your stretch/sid mix
698 [07:38:46] <LucMove> I was going to bring that up now...
699 [07:38:49] <themill> they can only fix debhelper and meson.
700 [07:39:27] <LucMove> replaced-url
701 [07:39:28] <themill> replaced-url
702 [07:40:36] <LucMove> What is udd-cache? No such package on my repos.
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705 [07:41:25] <themill> That would because I've never packaged it
706 [07:41:39] <LucMove> sigh
707 [07:41:47] <LucMove> Never mind, I can't take this anymore. Way past my bedtime. I'm almost sleeping on the chair.
708 [07:41:49] <themill> judd can tell you the same information here
709 [07:42:00] * judd waves
710 [07:42:17] <LucMove> another bot, eh?
711 [07:42:32] <themill> /msg judd checkbackport libgirara-dev --verbose
712 [07:43:22] <LucMove> I gotta go. Thank you for the attention. I'm sorry I can't stay any longer.
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749 [08:34:39] <dpkg> WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. replaced-url
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843 [09:54:36] <tya99> jmcnaught: i tried the 9.8.0 livecd and i am having the same issues replaced-url
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847 [09:56:10] <tya99> and it has ca-certificates 20161130+nmu1+deb9u1 and ca-certificates-java 20170929~deb9u1
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855 [10:03:35] <tya99> replaced-url
856 [10:03:37] <tya99> hmm
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898 [10:41:03] <tya99> has anyone got a web browser there
899 [10:41:22] <tya99> tell me if these sites works for you: replaced-url
900 [10:41:34] <tya99> works in chromium, and on archlinux for me
901 [10:41:59] <tya99> does not work in firefox-esr or firefox downloaded from mozilla.org on debian stretch or buster
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903 [10:42:25] <tya99> and i tried debian-live-9.8.0-amd64-gnome.iso too
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912 [10:43:43] <tya99> works on alpine linux too
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919 [10:50:25] <epsilon> works on stable & firefox-esr
920 [10:51:03] <epsilon> check the CA I mentioned earlier, if they are present in your cert
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928 [10:57:16] <tya99> sorry i might have missed that
929 [10:57:22] <tya99> well then what package am i missing :(
930 [10:57:58] <tya99> epsilon i did accidentally close irc before
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932 [10:59:23] <tya99> interestingly enough gnutls (ie wget) doesn't work either
933 [10:59:31] <tya99> so maybe it's some gnutls package
934 [10:59:38] <tya99> that installs the extra certs
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942 [11:05:17] <tya99> epsilon: so yeah it's clearly not an issue with firefox, it's an issue with the certs on debian
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955 [11:11:42] <tya99> doesn't work on Tails for me either.
956 [11:12:41] <tya99> epsilon: can u give me a list of the packages you have installed
957 [11:12:55] <tya99> so i can at least see which one it is that i don't have that will install that root cert
958 [11:13:09] <tya99> it's a fairly major CA
959 [11:13:25] <tya99> works on windows, archlinux and chromium (on debian)
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964 [11:16:12] <at0m> tya99: a little on the differences between firefox and chrome/-ium replaced-url
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968 [11:17:22] <tya99> although i would have thought curl/wget would have used the systemwide ones
969 [11:17:25] <tya99> and not the firefox ones
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972 [11:18:37] <at0m> or openssl s_client -connect domain.com:443 -showcerts
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975 [11:20:01] <tya99> at0m: yep that too
976 [11:20:02] <tya99> verify error:num=21:unable to verify the first certificate
977 [11:20:23] <tya99> 0 s:CN = *.hostplus.com.au
978 [11:20:25] <tya99> i:C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = replaced-url
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980 [11:20:34] <epsilon> aren't the certs in firefox-esr provided by mozilla and not by debian?
981 [11:20:53] <tya99> well i thought the ca-certificates package had all those
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983 [11:21:03] <tya99> but this does not seem to be a firefox issue
984 [11:21:12] <tya99> because it does not work in wget, curl, or epiphany
985 [11:21:24] <tya99> the only reason it works in chromium is because that uses it's own store
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992 [11:23:36] <tya99> hmm on archlinux i have
993 [11:23:40] <tya99> replaced-url
994 [11:23:44] <tya99> replaced-url
995 [11:23:58] <tya99> the second one being: "ca-certificates-mozilla"
996 [11:24:01] <tya99> Description: Mozilla's set of trusted CA certificates
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998 [11:24:03] <tya99> Upstream URL: replaced-url
999 [11:25:19] <tya99> i cannot seem to find the equivalent package in Debian
1000 [11:25:31] <yourlord> disconnect
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1008 [11:30:12] <tya99> at0m: yeah so the issue clearly isn't helped by that link
1009 [11:30:18] <tya99> because openssl doesn't work :P
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1011 [11:30:36] <tya99> and ideally i would want to fix it for wget/curl/openssl first
1012 [11:31:50] <at0m> tya99: probably not, but easy would be to update-ca-certificates
1013 [11:32:06] <at0m> that'll update system certs
1014 [11:32:29] <tya99> what's interesting is that it does not work on archlinux either :)
1015 [11:32:34] <tya99> it did in firefox, but not with curl/openssl
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1018 [11:36:06] <tya99> sudo update-ca-certificates --fresh --verbose
1019 [11:36:09] <tya99> 128 added, 0 removed; done.
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1021 [11:36:12] <tya99> Running hooks in /etc/ca-certificates/update.d...
1022 [11:36:14] <tya99> hmm
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1024 [11:36:47] <mebus> my mariadb doesn't start anymore. There is nothing helpful in the logs. How can I fix this?
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1083 [12:09:09] <tya99> at0m: interesting, i installed openssl in windows 10 didn't work, and it didn't work in firefox installed in windows either
1084 [12:09:23] <tya99> so it seems like the only reason it works in archlinux is because they've updated
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1086 [12:10:40] <tya99> so i think it defintely makes it a mozilla issue
1087 [12:10:48] <tya99> as in their root store is old
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1089 [12:13:02] <oiaohm> ???? openssl does run under windows.
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1099 [12:21:20] <epsilon> oiaohm: it's pain in the something, like everything OpenSource stuff made run on Windows
1100 [12:22:06] <epsilon> short, you can, you don't want.
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1150 [13:04:55] <rpifan> lol
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1214 [14:25:47] <LilUFO> was having a built of difficulty getting X up on my raven ridge setup
1215 [14:26:06] <LilUFO> with a buster alpha 5 image
1216 [14:26:25] <tya99> jmcnaught: epsilon i solved the issue
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1218 [14:26:59] <tya99> jmcnaught: epsilon the reason it worked for you, is because you've been to a site that has used those certificates before, and thus they have been cached
1219 [14:27:01] <LilUFO> I know kernel 4.19 to work pretty well with my hardware in the past
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1221 [14:27:17] <tya99> jmcnaught: epsilon it won't work for you, or anyone else if you create a new mozilla profile
1222 [14:27:47] <LilUFO> might I need the latest mesa libs?
1223 [14:27:55] <tya99> jmcnaught: epsilon the reason for this is because chrome, internet explorer downloads the intermediate certificate from the AIA
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1324 [15:45:38] <magic_ninja> what is debian's default xinitrc file that it uses?
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1326 [15:46:13] <tp43_> hi, I Have Gnome Desktop. I have minor problem. The screen saver does not turn on.
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1330 [15:52:26] <tp43_> magic_ninja, guess it depends on the desktop you are using. I don't think GNome uses .xinitrc anymore
1331 [15:52:41] <magic_ninja> lxqt
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1333 [15:53:16] <magic_ninja> startx gives me a blank x server. Just a mouse and colored background, but nothing else.
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1335 [15:53:44] <tp43_> I am using gnome. we have a tweaks tools, and then a Startup Applications sub menu
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1339 [15:56:57] <magic_ninja> well, I only want a GUI some of the time.
1340 [15:57:40] <tp43_> cool
1341 [15:58:01] <magic_ninja> Have you tried googling your problem?
1342 [15:58:13] <magic_ninja> Perhaps with a Gnome version?
1343 [15:58:48] <EdePopede> magic_ninja: there is one in /etc/X11/xinit. sounds like you don't have a wm starting.
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1347 [15:59:48] <EdePopede> tp43_: does it start from the shell? and does it run in testmode from the settings window?
1348 [15:59:54] <magic_ninja> EdePopede, well, what I did was copied the xinitrc and xserver from /etc/X11/xinit to my home directory. Made them writable, and changed the owner to me. Now I think I just need to add the startx lxqt -- :1 to the file?
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1352 [16:01:41] <tp43_> EdePopede, I tried $gnome-screensaver-command -a but nothing happens
1353 [16:01:47] <EdePopede> magic_ninja: here lightdm (started as root) forks and and this child then runs `/bin/sh /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc -- /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc` under my account. and also Xorg.
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1358 [16:02:25] <EdePopede> tp43_: including the '$'? since i don't use it, it this a defined shell variable?
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1362 [16:02:49] <tp43_> EdePopede, no, I know how to do basic bash
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1369 [16:05:17] <EdePopede> OMG, this doesn't sound like they want users to actually use it replaced-url
1370 [16:06:03] <EdePopede> tp43_: what about xscreensaver? as i understand the article gnome's is a simplified frontent only for classic xscreensaver.
1371 [16:08:18] <tp43_> EdePopede, Oh I never knew that. Maybe I better make sure it is installed then
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1373 [16:08:44] <tp43_> EdePopede, yeah, xscreensaver was not even installed.
1374 [16:08:51] <EdePopede> tp43_: just try to start it from the shell, you may also tab ;)
1375 [16:09:02] <EdePopede> weird, is there no dependency?
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1380 [16:09:41] <tp43_> EdePopede, yeah, should have been, but I did install/purge a few times of xfce4 so maybe that caused it
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1383 [16:11:29] <EdePopede> tp43_: shouldn't happen unless you tell apt/whatever to ignore dependencies
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1385 [16:12:46] <tp43_> EdePopede, when you install then purge and then install again, it sometime skip some stuff. I don't know how it works in-depth, but it happens. Actually I knew about config files and stuff, not dependencies
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1387 [16:13:32] <tp43_> doing apt-get install --re-install is supposed to make sure all config files get reset too, I tried that too,
1388 [16:13:45] <tp43_> But now let me set me screensaver time to 1mins and see if it turn on
1389 [16:13:52] <Enissay> cat "#!/bin/bash" > foo.sh => Is not working why ?
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1391 [16:14:04] <Enissay> echo*
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1394 [16:14:28] <tp43_> ok I have power savings set to Blank screen : 1min
1395 [16:14:48] <EdePopede> Enissay: i get an error here.
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1398 [16:15:20] <Enissay> EdePopede: Goal is to simply append that line to the file :-/
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1400 [16:16:20] <tp43_> it didn't work, I have m power settings set to 1min to blank screen, but it didn't do it
1401 [16:16:49] <tp43_> oh wait, instead of gnome power settings, I will just go to xscreensaver settings
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1403 [16:17:26] <EdePopede> Enissay: 1) look out for the error, it tells you what the problem is. 2) use >> to append, > will create an empty file which includes overwriting an existing one
1404 [16:18:42] <tp43_> yep works now.
1405 [16:18:48] <tp43_> EdePopede, yep works now, thx a lot
1406 [16:19:41] <EdePopede> tp43_: you may want to look at rss-glx. really ;)
1407 [16:20:00] <Enissay> EdePopede: Ok for point 2, the first line needs to clear all content so is fine.
1408 [16:20:34] <Enissay> EdePopede: for point 1, it removes ! from the string
1409 [16:20:38] <EdePopede> tp43_: linux port of the really slick screensavers for windows, used them in the old days. and as soon as the port was there... they're just great
1410 [16:21:31] <EdePopede> # echo "#!/bin/bash"
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1413 [16:21:41] <EdePopede> oh, i thought one of the bots could do this
1414 [16:21:51] <EdePopede> Enissay > bash: !/bin/bash: event not found
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1419 [16:24:06] <tp43_> EdePopede, no I just need to blank the screen. So I guess I have to add xscreensaver to the start application of gnome tweaks tool right?
1420 [16:24:15] <Enissay> EdePopede: replaced-url
1421 [16:24:20] <EdePopede> replaced-url
1422 [16:24:22] <Enissay> Thanks ;-)
1423 [16:25:00] <magic_ninja> So startx isn't launching my xinitrc
1424 [16:25:15] <EdePopede> Enissay: right, escaping. «'» vs. «"»
1425 [16:25:17] <magic_ninja> I just did ./xinitrc and it worked
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1427 [16:25:33] <magic_ninja> ooo, it should be .xinitrc shouldn't it?
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1429 [16:26:48] <magic_ninja> Well that is a shame. startx still doesn't run it
1430 [16:27:03] <EdePopede> magic_ninja: if it isn't executable you have a '.' to source it and it is .xinitrc (or safer ~/.xinitrc), yes
1431 [16:27:52] <EdePopede> magic_ninja: /usr/bin/startx (shell script) checks for the existance of the file, else it uses the systemwide. line 218 finally fires it up.
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1435 [16:29:23] <EdePopede> magic_ninja: the one in /etc only does one thing: `. /etc/X11/Xsession` - did you add something to your copy?
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1437 [16:30:18] <magic_ninja> i commented that out and did startx /usr/bin/startlxqt -- :1
1438 [16:30:54] <magic_ninja> it works from a command prompt. It seems startx gets an xinit with a few variables that aren't getting populated properly
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1441 [16:31:59] <EdePopede> magic_ninja: for such cases you can add "set > $file" to a script and compare the file to your normal environment.
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1444 [16:33:15] <magic_ninja> I'm not sure
1445 [16:33:20] <magic_ninja> I don't know what that > does
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1447 [16:34:17] <EdePopede> best place would be just right bafore that command. even if the file doesn't get created you know that the script doesn't get executed up to that position
1448 [16:34:54] <EdePopede> magic_ninja: writes STDOUT (normal output) into a file (with `file` to be understood in a very wide manner)
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1451 [16:36:34] <EdePopede> magic_ninja: so what you did is to copy xinitrc into your home, rename it to .xinitrc and adding `/usr/bin/startlxqt -- :1` while removing the original command, is this correct?
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1453 [16:37:55] <magic_ninja> yes
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1462 [16:41:29] <EdePopede> magic_ninja: and if you do `exec startlxqt` as considered in the manpage?
1463 [16:41:49] <magic_ninja> is exec the proper way to execute something from a shell script, then?
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1468 [16:42:51] <EdePopede> exec replaces the shell instead of starting a subprocess
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1470 [16:43:11] <yokowka> heaven0 everysoul..
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1472 [16:43:50] <magic_ninja> that did it. Yes, I did check the man page, but it is very large, and I probably missed it.
1473 [16:44:09] <EdePopede> erm.... replaced-url
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1475 [16:44:22] <EdePopede> then i really would like to warn you of the bash manpage ;)
1476 [16:44:38] <EdePopede> or which one did you look into?
1477 [16:45:08] <yokowka> how can i help debian became more beter if i am not speaking england language?;
1478 [16:45:28] <tya99> yokowka yes, it has mailing lists in a lot of different languages
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1480 [16:46:11] <tya99> yokowka: what language in particular?
1481 [16:46:55] <yokowka> tya99, русовъ iаzыкъ
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1483 [16:47:43] <tya99> replaced-url
1484 [16:48:32] <tya99> replaced-url
1485 [16:49:30] <EdePopede> yokowka: and maybe you could also look into the russian channel (i guess there is one)
1486 [16:49:32] <EdePopede> !ru
1487 [16:49:32] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
1488 [16:49:34] <yokowka> links not work is....
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1491 [16:51:27] <EdePopede> yokowka: my first guess was putin playing around with the internet, but i see you're .by and not .ru?
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1493 [16:53:15] <yokowka> EdePopede by mean is BelAPus' Soviet Socialistic Republic in United Republics Soviet Social)
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1495 [16:54:13] <EdePopede> yokowka: are they also doing with the internet? do you get a route to the servers?
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1497 [16:54:35] <tya99> traceroute debian.org
1498 [16:55:07] <magic_ninja> can anyone suggest a terminal editor where I can save my work space?
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1500 [16:55:24] <yokowka> also .by .ru .ua .kz etcicle are United Soviet Socialistic Republics
1501 [16:55:37] <tya99> replaced-url
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1504 [16:56:41] <EdePopede> !by
1505 [16:56:41] <dpkg> somebody said by was Belarus
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1507 [16:56:56] <EdePopede> dpkg: clever
1508 [16:56:56] * dpkg wags his tail and yaps.
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1510 [16:57:24] <tya99> According to a study done by the Belarusian government in 2009, 72% of Belarusians speak Russian at home, while Belarusian is actively used by only 11.9% of Belarusians. Approximately 29.4% of Belarusians can write, speak, and read Belarusian, while 52.5% can only read and speak it.
1511 [16:57:24] <yokowka> EdePopede i do not know what is route to the servers one i know is the three internet servers are in Tokyo New York Moskva
1512 [16:57:44] <tya99> In the UNESCO Atlas of the World's Languages in Danger, the Belarusian language is stated to be vulnerable.[13]
1513 [16:57:52] <tya99> Under the pressure of this "national rebirth" movement in 1990 the Supreme Soviet of the BSSR passed a language law which declared Belarusian the sole official language of the BSSR.
1514 [16:57:53] <EdePopede> yokowka: do you reach them? traceroute or ping.
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1518 [16:58:56] <yokowka> trace is can be wrighting by another word is? england language is not my....)
1519 [16:59:12] <tya99> "tracert, traceroute tracepath"
1520 [16:59:19] <tya99> tracert is windows
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1524 [17:00:03] <yokowka> so i not see you.... appologies me(
1525 [17:00:32] <tya99> !paste
1526 [17:00:32] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1527 [17:00:49] <tya99> yokowka: paste in replaced-url
1528 [17:01:35] <tya99> ўставіць у replaced-url
1529 [17:01:36] <yokowka> EdePopede tya99 yes now i hear you and yes LUKoSHENKo tracert
1530 [17:02:03] <yokowka> reace the servers
1531 [17:02:22] <EdePopede> magic_ninja: of course there's a tool for it > debtags search "interface::text-mode && use::editing && role::program" | sort
1532 [17:03:09] <EdePopede> magic_ninja: depending on what i do i use vim or mc's internal editor. but you have to find what fits your needs and what works for you
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1534 [17:03:40] <tya99> yokowka:
1535 [17:03:43] <tya99> з дапамогай Google Translate. Устаўце вынікі ў replaced-url
1536 [17:04:34] <tya99> EdePopede: i'm actually curious if there is somewhere along the way that is blocking debian.org
1537 [17:05:25] <EdePopede> well. get the ip, if it is dns. use a proxy if they break the routing.
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1539 [17:05:39] <yokowka> tya пра якiя ты кажашь вынiкi&
1540 [17:05:42] <yokowka> ?
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1543 [17:06:17] <tya99> yokowka: can you go to replaced-url
1544 [17:06:29] <tya99> err
1545 [17:06:36] <tya99> replaced-url
1546 [17:06:52] <at0m> !ru
1547 [17:06:52] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
1548 [17:07:08] <yokowka> tya99, i am on this site now
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1550 [17:07:19] <tya99> EdePopede: so it must be domain blocking
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1552 [17:07:52] <EdePopede> tya99: redirects to replaced-url
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1554 [17:08:13] <Enissay> test `find /etc/letsencrypt/live/* -mtime +1` ==> bash: test: too many arguments ==> What is wrong here ?
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1556 [17:08:34] <tya99> EdePopede: well if it worked for him, that means his DNS server isn't returning record
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1609 [17:55:50] <Krenair> So I've got a debian stretch VM with udev 232, and a udev rule that doesn't seem to get applied and I'm not sure why... maybe I just don't understand udev well enough. replaced-url
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1631 [18:10:33] <jhutchins> Enissay: Loose the *
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1639 [18:17:49] <dez> replaced-url
1640 [18:18:02] <replaced-url
1641 [18:18:05] <replaced-url
1642 [18:18:32] <dez> Then stop fucking spamming
1643 [18:18:40] <replaced-url
1644 [18:18:43] <replaced-url
1645 [18:18:55] <EdePopede> !ops: replaced-url
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1647 [18:19:02] <EdePopede> !ops replaced-url
1648 [18:19:02] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: edepopede complains about a problem (see above)
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1651 [18:19:17] <EdePopede> get a room
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1654 [18:21:59] <jhutchins> EdePopede: Don't feed the trols.
1655 [18:22:08] <jhutchins> trolls even
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1658 [18:23:13] <Krenair> I've tried stopping the udev service and running `sudo /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd --debug`
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1660 [18:24:12] <Krenair> it shows it reading the rule file, and does say "restoring old watch on '/dev/dm-0'" and "adding watch on '/dev/dm-0'"
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1662 [18:24:41] <Krenair> but other than that it doesn't seem to do anything
1663 [18:25:09] <Krenair> maybe the /dev/swift/ directory has to be created manually for this to work?
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1665 [18:25:57] <Enissay> Why the below is not running from crontab ?
1666 [18:25:59] <Enissay> 1 * * * * { printf "%s: [%s] TEST\n" "$(date "+%a %m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S")" "$(hostname)" ;} >> /var/log/test.log 2>&1
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1673 [18:29:37] <EdePopede> Enissay: use the complate path for commands
1674 [18:29:46] <EdePopede> s/complate/complete/
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1693 [18:43:45] <Enissay> EdePopede: still not working :'(
1694 [18:44:00] <Enissay> from cron log, I see: CRON[24205]: (root) CMD ({ /usr/bin/printf ")
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1698 [18:44:33] <hk238> Hello.. Hmm is it possible to install debian without internet connection? I have this wifi that gets disconnected mid-install
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1700 [18:46:16] <mason> hk238: Snag something other than the netboot installer, sure.
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1702 [18:47:47] <Enissay> EdePopede: OMG, I had to escape % as it's special char... What a wasted time :'(
1703 [18:47:49] <Krenair> making the /dev/swift directory didn't achieve anything
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1784 [18:49:07] <EdePopede> hk238: did you install via netinst image? you also could get DVD#1 and have a rather complete system
1785 [18:49:16] <EdePopede> Enissay: works now?
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1787 [18:49:24] <hk238> EdePopede that's probably what I should do can you download it ?
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1789 [18:50:00] <EdePopede> hk238: i could for sure, only i don't see how this would help *you* installing?
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1792 [18:50:35] <hk238> I have two computers one of them has a wifi device that doesn't work without some drivers, so when I try to install debian the connection dies mid-install
1793 [18:50:45] <hk238> but I can use a computer to download an image and put iton an USB
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1800 [18:51:32] <EdePopede> hk238: select the one you need replaced-url
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1802 [18:51:53] <EdePopede> and then better use a downloader like wget or curl which can resume interrupted downloads
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1805 [18:52:10] <CarlFK> hk238: I would figure out how to use a wired connection - like set the 2nd one to share the wifi
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1808 [18:52:30] <EdePopede> or simply use a cable ;)
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1810 [18:52:33] <hk238> It's a problem with the device or something like that
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1813 [18:53:00] <hk238> replaced-url
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1819 [18:54:03] <EdePopede> there are 2 more available (the other ones only with jigdo), but yes. unless you want/need some non-free drivers.
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1821 [18:54:20] <LtL> hk238: replaced-url
1822 [18:54:34] <hk238> LtL: the url for that one says 'netinst' though?
1823 [18:55:11] <LtL> hk238: Thats true, the other option is over 3GB
1824 [18:55:20] <hk238> hmm what's that one?
1825 [18:56:13] <hk238> It sounds like it's probably the one I should get
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1829 [18:56:52] <hk238> Okay thanks I'll try that
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1832 [18:57:04] <hk238> I guess I couldn't find it navigating the site
1833 [18:57:11] <LtL> hk238: good luck
1834 [18:57:15] <hk238> thx
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1836 [18:57:41] <EdePopede> i also found the link to the non-free only on the page with the downloads
1837 [18:57:59] <LtL> hk238: its a good idea to verify checksums on the downloaded image.
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1939 [19:07:54] <hk238> hmm which thing I should get from apt to be able to make the USB drive from an iso image? I remember theree was some program, but I don't remember the name
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1968 [19:16:52] <annadane> hk238, you should be able to just check what device you have with lsblk. make sure the USB is unmounted, and cp image.iso /dev/sdx (where x depends on what's shown in lsblk)
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1972 [19:17:29] <hk238> hmm but there's something you can install with apt though? With a GUI?
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2054 [20:07:46] <dramallama8086> hello, a little confused about the hard freeze on buster. is it "safe" to use now? security updates still coming through, yes?
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2062 [20:18:02] <jmcnaught> dramallama8086: buster won't get security support until it is released as stable. Now that the freeze has happened you won't see any big changes or newer versions of packages, only targetted bug fixes
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2065 [20:19:30] <truexfan81> on the installer what is "Debian desktop environment" ?
2066 [20:19:55] <jmcnaught> it's GNOME unless you pick one of the other desktop environments
2067 [20:19:56] <annadane> they're the task-desktop-packages
2068 [20:20:01] <annadane> oh, right, sorry
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2096 [20:36:44] <rant> hk238: you don't need anything with apt, you just use cp or dd
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2131 [21:01:37] <jak2000> hi all i need get the actualdate and pass a parameter to curl... any advice, here my paste: /msg NickServ identify
2132 [21:01:44] <jak2000> replaced-url
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2165 [21:33:26] <Ankman> heh, europe going to bed ;-)
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2168 [21:34:15] <mawk> it's just 21h30 here Ankman
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2170 [21:34:21] <mawk> people are eating rather
2171 [21:34:22] <mawk> in europe
2172 [21:34:44] <SwedeMike> mawk: depends on where in europe you are, some parts of Europe eat a lot earlier
2173 [21:35:08] <mawk> yeah
2174 [21:35:11] <mawk> I eat late
2175 [21:35:26] <mawk> I think the most common is around 19h
2176 [21:35:40] <mawk> but in some european countries dinners are very lengthy alsoç
2177 [21:35:43] <mawk> french dinners can take hours
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2180 [21:36:52] <Ankman> well it's 21:36 there. eating that late isn't good ;-)
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2182 [21:37:26] <SwedeMike> mawk: I eat dinner around 17.00.
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2184 [21:37:37] <SwedeMike> but now we're drifting off-topic
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2205 [21:49:13] <pagetelegram_> I installed debian 9 to USB thumb, chose not to install grub on main hard drive and to install boot on thumb. When I try to boot thumb all I get is a flashing cursor. Install went without a hitch. How can I fix this install (everything is there just not booting)?
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2209 [21:50:16] <jhutchins> !fixgrub
2210 [21:50:16] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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2212 [21:50:43] <jhutchins> pagetelegram_: You may need to use UUIDs in the grub.cfg.
2213 [21:51:12] <pagetelegram__> ok thanks
2214 [21:52:15] <pagetelegram__> Now is grub suppose to be on a fat partition?
2215 [21:52:27] <pagetelegram__> bc the isntaller didn't create a fat
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2218 [21:54:19] <jhutchins> pagetelegram__: I think GPT is Ok.
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2221 [21:56:05] <pagetelegram__> ok, going to try anther stab at it.
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2307 [22:57:52] <ChunkzZ> hi! is it hard to setup docker?
2308 [22:57:58] <ChunkzZ> any useful tuts?
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2314 [23:02:40] <ozars> ChunkzZ: replaced-url
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2316 [23:05:38] <ChunkzZ> ozars, with docker, you run apps as containers.... do I have to manually keep running them after reboots etc?
2317 [23:07:19] <ChunkzZ> I run a headless server ozars would that work?
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2320 [23:08:38] <ozars> I never deployed long living containers/swarm etc. Mostly used them for creating CI builds. So take my answers with some grain: You need to run them again when you reboot your host, but you can automate this with start up scripts (you don't need to rebuild images once you build them once).
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2323 [23:10:05] <ozars> you control docker via its cli, so yeah you can work over headless server.
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2325 [23:11:30] <ozars> if you need to restart them a container if/when it fails, docker may have some cli flags for restarting automatically. docker-compose has it for sure (restart: always).
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2376 [23:35:32] <super_sonic> hi guys how are you
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2390 [23:41:49] <super_sonic> hello
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2393 [23:44:07] <annadane> super_sonic, just ask a question if you have one
2394 [23:44:17] <annadane> if you're just saying hi... then hi! :)
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2397 [23:45:56] <super_sonic> annadane, thanks
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2405 [23:52:22] <super_sonic> i wonder, is it irc hidden
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2410 [23:55:23] <annadane> is what irc hidden?
2411 [23:57:09] <teclo-> you mean you write "irc" on a piece of paper, and you put a book on it
2412 [23:57:12] <teclo-> then irc is hidden
2413 [23:57:29] <TurqFlame> :-)
2414 [23:58:23] <TurqFlame> its not hidden for remote viewers
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