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• 12[00:07:44] <__m4ch1n3__> CombatVet, i actually duno but it is debians init system,that means it is parent of all processes, im pretty sure it cant relaod while its child processes stay alive, you have to reboot
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• 22[00:10:58] <__m4ch1n3__> systemd has always pid 1
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• 36[00:16:57] <edrive> Hey, I just got an external HDD and would like to encrypt with debian. Is there a default gui tool for doing this?
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• 38[00:18:36] <edrive> Should I format to FAT32 or FAT16? Currently ntfs
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• 42[00:19:41] * ksk wonders, if you could use something older/less fitting
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• 45[00:20:33] <ksk> edrive: I suppose you do not plan on using this disk on a windows computer?
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• 47[00:21:00] <edrive> No, but the option to mount it on windows would be nice (if I need to on a rare occasion)
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• 50[00:21:52] <edrive> ksk: so it's not a necessity, but would be ideal if I could mount in windows too
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• 52[00:22:14] <ksk> this would then mean, that you need to use a method of encryption, which works on both (debian) linux and windows. I dont think that is possible - apart from veracrypt (former truecrypt)
• 53[00:22:17] * madage encrypts a disk, fills it with personal data and then give spyware OS access to it
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• 55[00:22:40] <ksk> also what madage mentions.. ;)
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• 58[00:23:11] <g0zzy> Trying to get my head around the totally new way of doing networking under systemd. Why are container-type techniques used for a simple headless server with /lib/systemd/network/80-container-host0.network ?
• 59[00:23:26] <edrive> ksk: in that case, I am fine with using it only on a linux machine.
• 60[00:23:36] <NitrousPG> nautilus can do it for you edrive, using LUKS
• 61[00:23:42] <imkillroy> hello, how could i check/see what is blocking access to quasselcore on my debian VPS? its listening on port 4242 but i get connection timed out requests
• 62[00:24:03] <ksk> edrive: then I encourage you to use some linux filesystem (ext4, xfs) and look up cryptsetup.
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• 64[00:24:17] <edrive> NitrousPG: I use nemo unfortunately
• 65[00:24:38] <NitrousPG> ah yeah
• 66[00:24:47] <edrive> ksk: my machine's internal HDD was encrypted with cryptsetup when I installed debian
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• 72[00:26:16] <edrive> ksk: is cryptsetup a CLI aplication?
• 73[00:26:20] <edrive> application
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• 77[00:27:45] <NitrousPG> it is edrive
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• 79[00:28:26] <edrive> NitrousPG: is there a gui tool that I can use to acheive the same result? Don't want to break my system by following an online tutorial, have limited command line knowledge
• 80[00:28:53] <NitrousPG> honestly, as he said, veracrypt might be your best bet
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• 82[00:29:20] <NitrousPG> it's not included in most distributions because of its license though IIRC
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• 88[00:30:55] <madage> edrive: apparently there is zulucrypt-gui
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• 90[00:31:05] <edrive> NitrousPG: the only application I am seeing in the debian repos is zulucrypt
• 91[00:31:16] <edrive> madage: yeah
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• 94[00:31:49] <madage> I've never used it though.. not even heard of it until now
• 95[00:31:54] <NitrousPG> me neither
• 96[00:32:20] <edrive> is veracrypt a standalone application?
• 97[00:32:25] <NitrousPG> yeah
• 98[00:32:42] <edrive> would I have to enable backends to get it on stable?
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• 102[00:33:02] <NitrousPG> im pretty sure its just not on the debian repos at all
• 103[00:33:17] <edrive> oh
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• 105[00:33:31] <edrive> I'll try zulucrypt then as it seems to do the same thing
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• 108[00:34:11] <tristero> g0zzy: it's not used (it won't match) unless you fire up containers that need it. it's just inherited from the standard Debian systemd package
• 109[00:34:35] <madage> edrive: report back on your experience
• 110[00:34:43] <hasanibrahim> asdw
• 111[00:34:59] <edrive> NitrousPG & madage: "zuluMount is bundled with zuluCrypt and its meant to be used as a general purpose tool that mount and unmount zuluCrypt supported encrypted volumes as well as unencrypted volumes and it can be used as a substitute to udisks, pmount and related tools."
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• 113[00:35:26] <edrive> does this mean I need to have zulumount installed on a linux system to mount my encrypyted drive (encrypted with zulucrypt)?
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• 115[00:36:22] <madage> edrive: you don't even need zulucrypt, both tools are just gui helpers
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• 118[00:37:08] <madage> and IIRC, Nemo/Nautilus have some way of mounting encrypted disks
• 119[00:37:19] <edrive> ok
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• 128[00:47:03] <edrive> formatting the drive to FAT32 for most versatility, will see if it works with zulucrypt
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• 164[01:13:38] <ksk> edrive: eeh, rather not fat32, max filesize is ~4G with that :P
• 165[01:13:44] <awal1> how can i find what is the executable of x pkg via cli
• 166[01:13:52] <ksk> use xfat? or vfat? something like this, its cross-OS also
• 167[01:14:12] <somiaj> awal1: dpkg -L packagename | grep bin
• 168[01:14:15] <ksk> awal1: not really like this, but you can do "dpkg -L pkg | grep bin"
• 169[01:14:41] <awal1> somiaj, ksk. ok thanks
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• 171[01:16:07] <edrive> ksk: oh thanks for pointing that out
• 172[01:16:47] <awal1> dpkg -L epiphany-browser | grep bin "/usr/bin /usr/bin/epiphany /usr/bin/epiphany-browser"
• 173[01:16:47] <dpkg> ii epiphany-browser | grep bin "/usr/bin /usr/bin/epiphany /usr/bin/epiphany-browser" 2.3-5.3 awal1's private porn collection
• 174[01:17:01] <ksk> ntfs support in debian is also okay-ish (you could argue better on some parts than m$..), but Id not use that if you want to primarily use linux with the disk
• 175[01:17:05] <awal1> 2 executables or what
• 176[01:17:28] <ksk> awal1: seems so :>
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• 180[01:17:42] <ksk> man epiphany should help
• 181[01:17:44] <awal1> i guess yes , bcoz if i cal epiphany or epiphany-browser i get the browser open so
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• 183[01:18:14] <ksk> A package can ship a whole lot of executables. And many do.
• 184[01:18:17] <edrive> ksk: gparted doesn't give an option for xfat
• 185[01:18:30] <ksk> edrive: exfat it is
• 186[01:18:57] <edrive> ksk: it's greyed out for some reason, not selectable
• 187[01:18:58] <ksk> edrive: might be you need a package to support that.
• 188[01:19:02] <ksk> ,v exfat
• 189[01:19:03] <judd> No package named 'exfat' was found in amd64.
• 190[01:19:12] <ksk> ,v exfat-fuse
• 191[01:19:13] <judd> Package: exfat-fuse on amd64 -- jessie: 1.1.0-2+deb8u1; stretch: 1.2.5-2; buster: 1.3.0-1; sid: 1.3.0-1
• 192[01:19:14] <ksk> install that ;)
• 193[01:19:24] <edrive> thanks
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• 196[01:20:09] <ksk> edrive: on the other hand (sorry to slow you down :P) replaced-url
• 197[01:20:13] <edrive> ksk: i already have it installed
• 198[01:20:34] <edrive> ksk: what about ext4?
• 199[01:20:45] <ksk> is cool. just not usable on windows.
• 200[01:21:12] <edrive> only other optin is that or ntfs
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• 202[01:21:48] <ksk> yeah seems so :)
• 203[01:22:11] <ksk> stuped m$ not implementing ext4 drivers..
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• 205[01:22:50] <EdePopede> what happened to that dll which was available for ext2 on XP?
• 206[01:23:54] <ksk> there seem to be some OSS and some proprietary ext* drivers for windows with differing features.
• 207[01:24:29] <ksk> not sure If I would advise on using something like that thoug..
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• 216[01:27:26] <EdePopede> iirc i used 2 tools in those days. first a crude filemanager with some strange approaches to some things, and later a dll with even write access, i remember this because i had some of the special win dirs on the partitions i used.
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• 223[01:32:18] <aloo_shu> there's some relatively good ext tool for win, and free, probably open, lemme check a sec
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• 228[01:33:38] <EdePopede> could be it was ext2ifs. not able to read ext4 atm and last release was in 2015.
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• 230[01:34:39] <aloo_shu> ext2fsd (.com)
• 231[01:35:01] <EdePopede> with a BIG FAT WARNING replaced-url
• 232[01:35:41] <aloo_shu> gpl v. 2
• 233[01:35:47] <EdePopede> linked from ubuntuusers> replaced-url
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• 236[01:36:59] <aloo_shu> there used to be fuse for win + an ext fs for it, but that was rudimentary
• 237[01:38:10] <aloo_shu> I avoid win, so I don't use ext2fsd often, but when, even enable write support for ext4, no drama so far
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• 239[01:39:42] <EdePopede> may depend on the version used and maybe even on the hardware, who knows
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• 243[01:42:01] <EdePopede> these morons... '<noscript><meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0"[…]'
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• 245[01:45:16] <aloo_shu> yeah, removing drives is nothing I've ever tried, I use it to sporadically access linux partitions from win side when I've got them side by side on the int. hdd, so that I don't need to switch OS for a single copy operation
• 246[01:45:56] <aloo_shu> can confirm the explicit warning in the README
• 247[01:46:10] <EdePopede> same here, good old dual boot :)
• 248[01:47:06] <aloo_shu> often more than dual here, win just in case, 1-4 linuxes
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• 250[01:48:30] <aloo_shu> can't win10 access ext *anyway*? it has an entire 'linux subsystem' if you want one
• 251[01:50:38] <aloo_shu> just not much is getting ported for it (surprise, surprise)
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• 281[02:13:41] <EdePopede> oh right. totally forgot about that one
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• 285[02:14:50] <EdePopede> bought a used machine with win10 preinstalled last year but the sysdisk isn't buiilt in for some time. bloody HD adapters. 2 PCs, 2 different systems.
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• 301[02:24:04] <jasonwc> Hi, what is the command to install a particular package but not its dependencies from stretch-backports? stretch-backports contains a newer version of ZFS but if I use "apt-get -t stretch-backports install zfs-dkms", it pulls in dependencies from stretch-backports, but there is no reason to do so. It works fine with the dependencies from stable.
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• 303[02:25:34] <SynrG> try =version after the pkgnwme for the specific version
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• 308[02:26:50] <SynrG> or configure an apt pin
• 309[02:30:17] <jasonwc> I'm doing this for the ZFS on Linux Debian howto so the simpler the better
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• 311[02:30:35] <jasonwc> I was just going to install the dependencies first from stable but wondered if there was a better way
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• 325[02:43:51] <jasonwc> SynrG, ah, so by version, you need the exact version # as opposed to the repo (stretch-backports). That won't work in this case because I need the same instructions to work for future versions in the repo.
• 326[02:44:12] <jasonwc> Is there a way to instruct it to install just the listed package from backports and nothing else without using apt pinning?
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• 339[02:56:12] <tristero> jasonwc: if you can look up the exact version of the package (apt-cache policy for example), then "apt-get install package/VERSION#" should resolve its dependencies using your normal (= higher priority) repos, not backports
• 340[02:57:01] <tristero> sorry, = not /, as SynrG said
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• 344[02:58:20] <EdePopede> what about downloading and then using dpkg? it has a `--no-force-things` option which looks promising
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• 348[02:58:51] <EdePopede> oh. even `--ignore-depends=package`
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• 422[04:07:25] <vibranze> hello
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• 426[04:08:58] <dvs> zzzzzzzzz
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• 434[04:16:41] <ikus060> Hello, I have a brand new laptop. Asus GL504GS-DS74 ROG Strix SCAR. After some reading, I found I need to load a module asus-hid to get most of the keyboard feature working. But the vendor id doesnt seam to be supported by the driver. Any way to force load the driver either way ?
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• 436[04:17:46] <__m4ch1n3__> do first "lsmod | grep asus-hid"
• 437[04:18:00] <__m4ch1n3__> if its not empty its loaded
• 438[04:18:32] <__m4ch1n3__> ao wait
• 439[04:18:44] <ikus060> __m4ch1n3__: the module is not loaded
• 440[04:18:48] <__m4ch1n3__> module names usually use underscores
• 441[04:19:07] <__m4ch1n3__> lsmod | grep asus_hid
• 442[04:19:12] <ikus060> __m4ch1n3__: d or asus_hideither way, I grep for asus, and nothing similar to aus-hi
• 443[04:19:12] <__m4ch1n3__> or just lsmod | grep asus
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• 448[04:22:04] <__m4ch1n3__> do you have "contrib non-free" enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 450[04:23:05] <tristero> it's "hid_asus", but I don't see any options to add a USB ID. if that doesn't recognize your device, you'll need to find a newer version or patch that does
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• 452[04:24:46] <yutayu> by june , Does buster release
• 453[04:24:48] <yutayu> ?
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• 456[04:26:31] <yutayu> or far?
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• 459[04:29:25] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
• 460[04:29:34] <__m4ch1n3__> seems not to work in linux
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• 464[04:32:14] <__m4ch1n3__> or im not sure its over 1 year old
• 465[04:32:41] <__m4ch1n3__> you have to do research for that aura stuff
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• 468[04:33:12] <__m4ch1n3__> gaming hw vendors dont care about linux user
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• 471[04:33:43] <__m4ch1n3__> there a very few gaming kbs and mice with full support in linux that lets you make makros and stuff
• 472[04:33:57] <__m4ch1n3__> rocat
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• 474[04:34:10] <__m4ch1n3__> has
• 475[04:34:16] <__m4ch1n3__> *roccat
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• 477[04:35:39] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
• 478[04:36:01] <__m4ch1n3__> you can change color wvia efi/bios
• 479[04:36:26] <__m4ch1n3__> maybe
• 480[04:36:36] <__m4ch1n3__> thats actually for mainboard
• 481[04:38:12] <cheapie> __m4ch1n3__: You should be able to desolder the LEDs regardless of your OS choice :P
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• 510[05:11:16] <SerajewelKS> is it possible to cross-compile for an rpi on x86 using debian? a chroot with qemu or something?
• 511[05:11:27] <SerajewelKS> i'm trying to compile something and the rpi runs out of memory
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• 514[05:12:04] <SerajewelKS> i can throw a bunch of swap at it and wait for days or i could just compile it on a machine with enough ram
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• 524[05:14:06] <SerajewelKS> hmm i just found replaced-url
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• 527[05:16:56] <themill> yes you can just make a foreign arch chroot. qemu-debootstrap does that for you
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• 532[05:21:47] <SerajewelKS> neat
• 533[05:22:30] <SerajewelKS> is there any value to using the raspbian image as indicated in the article i linked, or is it sufficient to use debian's armhf?
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• 535[05:23:00] <SerajewelKS> or i guess i could debootstrap raspbian itself
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• 538[05:25:12] <SerajewelKS> i guess the point of using the pi image is so you can basically prepare an image to be flashed
• 539[05:25:24] <SerajewelKS> in my case it's sufficient to build the program and then ship a tarball to the pi
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• 545[05:28:26] <SerajewelKS> it looks like raspbian has made changes to gcc defaults to produce code more optimized for the rpi hardware, so using the rpi image or debootstrapping raspbian looks preferable to debootstraping debian's armhf
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• 554[05:53:43] <themill> the different rpi versions have different capabilities; old raspbian was certainly very differently compiled to any debian arch
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• 577[06:13:13] <p0a> Hello why is apt recommending `slime' when it is not found?
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• 580[06:13:22] <p0a> i.e. `apt install slime' says `sbcl-slime not found'
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• 583[06:15:27] <Tom-_> sometimes there's recommends that don't appear to be in debian anymore
• 584[06:15:30] <Tom-_> actually a lot of the time
• 585[06:15:40] <Tom-_> i'm not sure why, maintainers falling behind maybe?
• 586[06:17:18] <p0a> Okay, slime is a package from emacs. Emacs has its own package manager but I figured I'd download it from debian
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• 588[06:18:00] <Tom-_> can you show me the actual error message on paste.debian.net ?
• 589[06:18:08] <p0a> sure
• 590[06:18:09] <Tom-_> not sure what "not found" means here
• 591[06:18:23] <jmcnaught> slime package doesn't recommend a sbcl-slime package on stretch at least
• 592[06:18:24] <p0a> I was paraphrasing
• 593[06:19:10] <p0a> Tom-_: for some weird reason now it worked
• 594[06:19:18] <at0m> also, i don't think apt defaults to installing recommends anymore
• 595[06:19:18] <p0a> Tom-_: I was doing `apt install sbcl sbcl-doc slime' but it wouldn't do it
• 596[06:19:26] <Tom-_> oh
• 597[06:19:34] <p0a> Tom-_: but now that I installed `sbcl' and `sbcl-doc', now I can do `apt install slime'
• 598[06:19:35] <Tom-_> i think you had a typo where you made and sbcl-slime
• 599[06:19:37] <jmcnaught> apt still defaults to installing recommends
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• 601[06:19:52] <at0m> jmcnaught: oh, thanks for setting that straight
• 602[06:19:53] <Tom-_> i think you typoed "sblc-slime"
• 603[06:19:59] <at0m> slime "Recommends: cl-swank (= 2:2.18-1), info | info-browser, emacs25 | emacs24 (>= 24.3) | emacs24-lucid (>= 24.3) | emacs24-nox (>= 24.3) | emacs-snapshot | xemacs21"
• 604[06:20:02] <p0a> that's possible lol thank you
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• 623[06:46:13] <Kurogane> Hello, how to move first 1000 files with rsync to new server?
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• 643[07:13:05] <cluelessperson> Hi there debian fellows. I'm trying to learn more about how the debian environment is configured.
• 644[07:13:18] <cluelessperson> I'd like to be able to create livecd's of debian with various features
• 645[07:13:30] <cluelessperson> and if possible, also produce reproducible builds
• 646[07:13:32] <cluelessperson> thoughts?
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• 649[07:16:02] <trysten> cluelessperson: you might want to look at debguarrotype(sic)
• 650[07:16:39] <cluelessperson> trysten: huh?
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• 655[07:17:50] <trysten> cluelessperson: replaced-url
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• 658[07:23:18] <cluelessperson> Is there any documentation anywhere that explicitly describes what happens as debian boots up?
• 659[07:23:29] <cluelessperson> what happens and why?
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• 662[07:23:50] <cluelessperson> mount none -t proc /proc like, where does it say, we do this because this and this
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• 665[07:24:36] <trysten> cluelessperson: that's a pretty broad question. I think I'd suggest looking on youtube for a systemd bootup video. I'll check
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• 669[07:28:41] <cluelessperson> trysten: is /proc specific to systemd?
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• 673[07:33:11] <trysten> No. I'm pretty sure the kernel manages /proc
• 674[07:33:21] <cluelessperson> yeah
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• 676[07:33:44] <trysten> I think /proc is antiquated in favor of /sys, but i'm not sure
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• 679[07:35:43] <trysten> cluelessperson: I have time for another question or two, hit me
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• 682[07:38:04] <cluelessperson> trysten: I have way too many to get into it for now
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• 685[07:38:18] <cluelessperson> trysten: Thanks for the help though. I'm looking for a resource to pile through
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• 696[07:48:47] <trysten> cluelessperson: i just found replaced-url
• 697[07:49:14] <cluelessperson> trysten: thanks, I'll be reading up
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• 710[07:53:05] <sudobash74> Hey whats up! Ubuntu!
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• 712[07:53:29] <cluelessperson> sudobash74: this is debian
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• 714[07:53:34] <sudobash74> Why doesn't debian try to be more like Ubuntu :-D
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• 716[07:53:40] <cluelessperson> sudobash74: debian's better
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• 718[07:53:44] <sudobash74> uh huh
• 719[07:53:58] <cluelessperson> sudobash74: no seriously, I use debian everywhere at work and at home.
• 720[07:54:09] <sudobash74> yea I do the same with ubuntu on mate
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• 723[07:54:27] <sudobash74> which is next to the same damn thing essentially
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• 727[07:54:58] <sudobash74> I've used debian also, but I don't get starting a default desktop off with no icons and having to go edit conf just to get desktop icons to show up?
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• 730[07:55:30] <sudobash74> No Desktop Icons === Not a Desktop?
• 731[07:55:51] <sudobash74> So what is the point of the desktop then? To show you the background and that's it?
• 732[07:56:00] <milkt> choose different DE then
• 733[07:56:02] <sudobash74> Background and menu...
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• 735[07:56:14] <sudobash74> No No No... The question is why in the hell would debian do that?
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• 737[07:56:24] <sudobash74> What exactly are your devs thinking?
• 738[07:56:29] <sudobash74> or are they not?
• 739[07:56:39] <sudobash74> Or they're just trying to be "Different"
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• 742[07:57:01] <sudobash74> You start a user off without a functional desktop?
• 743[07:57:11] <sudobash74> Illogical as a programmer.....
• 744[07:57:23] <sudobash74> borderline incompetent if you ask me
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• 748[07:57:39] <__m4ch1n3__> nobody asked you
• 749[07:57:41] <milkt> i don't even need graphical environment when programming though
• 750[07:57:54] <sudobash74> yea I don't either but it's still nice to have a functional one!
• 751[07:58:06] <sudobash74> and if you don't use an IDE, then you code slow...
• 752[07:58:10] <milkt> yeah choose your favorite one
• 753[07:58:18] <sudobash74> VI, VIM, Nano, emacs = slow
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• 755[07:58:50] <sudobash74> No the question is why does Debian do something so impractical and basically retarded?
• 756[07:58:56] <milkt> it is personal preference i think
• 757[07:59:11] <sudobash74> No it's not, a Desktop is meant to be a DESK TOP
• 758[07:59:16] <milkt> yeah go use ubuntu then, debian is not good choice for you
• 759[07:59:22] <sudobash74> not show the background and do nothing else
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• 762[07:59:50] <sudobash74> how asinine that you think ubuntu users aren't debian users
• 763[08:00:02] <milkt> ubuntu is not debian
• 764[08:00:24] <sudobash74> built on debian so pretty much
• 765[08:00:30] <milkt> !based on debian
• 766[08:00:30] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 767[08:00:33] <sudobash74> what is the default package manager for ubuntu?
• 768[08:00:33] <trysten> sudobash74: you're trolling. dial it back.
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• 770[08:00:43] <sudobash74> dpkg... debian pkg.............
• 771[08:00:53] <sudobash74> sure seems like a debian distro
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• 775[08:02:31] <sudobash74> Yea only debian is debian and only debian has reached retard status by being the ONLY operating system that provide a default GUI desktop that doesn't operate as an actual desktop...
• 776[08:03:12] <sudobash74> Yeah I'll troll on that basis, hell yea, I don't what the hell your developers were thinking, but that is official retard status!
• 777[08:03:19] <trysten> sudobash74: i'm warning you, 'retard status' is not acceptable in this channel. If you troll more I will summon mods
• 778[08:03:48] <sudobash74> Okay so we know what the problem is now, can we fix it so I can not be annoyed when booting debian?
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• 781[08:04:09] <sudobash74> Default install should install a workable Desktop, I mean after all you are installing a Desktop OS
• 782[08:04:16] <milkt> sudobash74: maybe try gnome DE, if you haven't tried
• 783[08:04:38] <sudobash74> What is installed by default in the default debian distro?
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• 787[08:05:26] <sudobash74> Should I have to configure settings or even install a different desktop environment / window manager just to have a workable install on the default debian install?
• 788[08:05:27] <milkt> depends on the installer which you used
• 789[08:05:42] <sudobash74> The Default AMD64 Install
• 790[08:06:03] <sudobash74> Should a user have to configure or install a user to have a working desktop by default?
• 791[08:06:16] <sudobash74> install a DE*
• 792[08:06:40] <sudobash74> Lets be constructive here and not just dismiss some BS claims from a 20 year linux user
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• 794[08:06:59] <milkt> there is no "The Default AMD64 Install" installer i think
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• 796[08:07:39] <sudobash74> Uh huh... there is a main installer and usually an alternate net only installer right? So you're trying to be difficult or funny or whatever but honestly you just seem ignorant
• 797[08:07:55] <sudobash74> So which between the main and alternative installer do you think is the default?
• 798[08:08:09] <sudobash74> Here we'll take it slow... You know what an ISO image is right?
• 799[08:08:11] <milkt> try gnome installer here, replaced-url
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• 801[08:09:04] <sudobash74> Nah that wasn't the question, I shouldn't have to try a different installer to have a working desktop?!
• 802[08:09:07] <sudobash74> replaced-url
• 803[08:09:14] <sudobash74> those are your "Default" intsalls for most PC's
• 804[08:09:23] <sudobash74> I selected DVD instead of CS
• 805[08:09:26] <sudobash74> CD
• 806[08:09:32] <sudobash74> Now what window manager does that use?
• 807[08:09:46] <milkt> well i haven't used DVD installer so i don't know well about it
• 808[08:09:50] <sudobash74> Do I need to propose this change myself?
• 809[08:10:12] <sudobash74> Ok so if you don't have experience in what I'm referring to, maybe don't comment like you know what you're talking about?
• 810[08:10:27] <milkt> so what is your problem
• 811[08:10:33] <sudobash74> You've NEVER intalled through the DVD or the CD Image?
• 812[08:10:41] <milkt> i only use netinst
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• 814[08:10:57] <sudobash74> Oh okay, so net installer actually intsalls the SAME DE
• 815[08:11:14] <sudobash74> So what does it install for you if you select to install the Desktop GUI / DE?
• 816[08:11:34] <milkt> netinst don't have DE
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• 818[08:12:23] <sudobash74> Now I know you're ignorant because the server install is the only version that doesn't install a desktop environment with net intsall
• 819[08:12:25] <sudobash74> intsall
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• 821[08:12:50] <sudobash74> So you're just being difficult and feeding me non sense?
• 822[08:12:54] <allizom> sudobash74: what's your issue?
• 823[08:13:15] <sudobash74> Man people come into conversations late and can't scroll
• 824[08:13:21] <sudobash74> and think I'm here to save the day!
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• 826[08:13:27] <sudobash74> I know the answer!
• 827[08:13:29] <milkt> debian installer is not categorized like ubuntu
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• 833[08:13:52] <sudobash74> It's simple... What is the default DE of the CD / DVD installer
• 834[08:13:59] <milkt> i think it is good to try installing with gnome installer
• 835[08:14:02] <sudobash74> the one that doesn't let you have icon's by default
• 836[08:14:29] <allizom> replaced-url
• 837[08:14:29] <milkt> i guess fresh ubuntu installation also use Gnome DE
• 838[08:14:53] <sudobash74> I don't have a problem using debian, I've been a debian user since I was 12, I have a problem with developers trashing my favorite OS by not having a workable desktop by default
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• 840[08:15:08] <sudobash74> I officially accuse debian developers of intentionally running users off
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• 842[08:15:19] <krion> xD
• 843[08:15:32] <sudobash74> I'm dead serious
• 844[08:15:56] <sudobash74> Who's bright idea was it to not give users a usable desktop by default?
• 845[08:16:19] <krion> just tell us your favorite DE and i'll ask high instance to make it dedault
• 846[08:16:19] <allizom> What's your idea of a usable desktop?
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• 848[08:16:23] <sudobash74> Literally the worst decision in the entire history of Debian
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• 850[08:17:02] <sudobash74> Umm a desktop implies having an interactive desk top and being able to have icons that are visible ie not having the Show Icon's turned off by default
• 851[08:17:19] <sudobash74> This is simply unacceptable
• 852[08:17:41] <sudobash74> it makes absolutely no sense and seems more like an overlooked mistake
• 853[08:17:53] <sudobash74> either that or incompetent developers
• 854[08:18:09] <allizom> you mean showing the content of ~/Desktop over your wallpaper?
• 855[08:18:15] <sudobash74> A users boots up the desktop, tried to interact with their newly intsalled desktop and can't do anything with it?
• 856[08:19:00] <sudobash74> Yes, is there any point to not being able to interact with a freshly installed desktop upon first booting up the freshly installed OS?
• 857[08:19:05] <sudobash74> other than trying to run users off?
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• 859[08:19:16] <sudobash74> I mean I'm open to explanations?
• 860[08:19:21] <milkt> so you can't do anything if there is no fancy icons with bloated graphics installed on screen?
• 861[08:19:40] <sudobash74> IIIIIIIIIIIII can.... Other users may not be able to
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• 864[08:19:56] <sudobash74> I've been a debian users since I was 12 I can do anything on this OS
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• 866[08:20:05] <sudobash74> Other users haven't been debians users for 20 years
• 867[08:20:10] <milkt> yeah then what is your problem again
• 868[08:20:37] <sudobash74> Ummmm Fixing the broken OS that is called Debian
• 869[08:20:41] <milkt> if you want something similar graphical desktop environment with ubuntu, i recommend trying gnome installer
• 870[08:20:44] <sudobash74> Or fixing the broken developers
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• 872[08:21:35] <sudobash74> Obviously Debian needs some help if they are running users away or do you disagree and want Debian to just not be user friendly?
• 873[08:22:02] <sudobash74> I mean just say we don't want Debian to be user friendly and end of discussion and we don't need to fix anything then!
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• 875[08:22:36] <sudobash74> You all make horrible decision and then wonder why Ubuntu is doing so much better?
• 876[08:22:59] <sudobash74> Great Logic, surely I'm not the first person to point this fact out?
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• 878[08:23:21] <sudobash74> Maybe I just shouldn't be passionate about Debian anymore?
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• 880[08:24:03] <sudobash74> If the project is going to make absolutely horrible decisions about its future then why even bother ever install it again in my opinion...
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• 882[08:24:38] <sudobash74> I mean don't even listen to the users and I know I'm not the first person to complain about this at all!
• 883[08:24:44] <milkt> yeah go stick with ubuntu if you prefer ubuntu
• 884[08:25:07] <sudobash74> No I actually prefer Debian, but Ubuntu has a workable desktop that I don't have to do "Extra" shit just to have
• 885[08:25:21] <milkt> also you're mostly complaning about desktop environment, not the operating system
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• 887[08:25:34] <sudobash74> Well the default install does this BY DEFAULT
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• 889[08:25:44] <milkt> what is "BY DEFAULT"
• 890[08:25:53] <sudobash74> go away, you're an idiot
• 891[08:25:54] <milkt> which is default installer?
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• 894[08:25:58] <sudobash74> literally
• 895[08:26:02] <sudobash74> you are incompetent
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• 897[08:26:21] <milkt> do you know the name of iso file, which you used to install debian?
• 898[08:26:41] <sudobash74> I would think the default installer is the one built for MOST Architectures... Do you know what that is?
• 899[08:27:20] <ozgur> why have deleted the net-tools and dnsutils packages from the default debian setup :(
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• 901[08:27:27] <sudobash74> Which is the most prominent arch? And then what are MOST users going to be wanting to install? The Live Installer or the Alternative Installer.... I mean surely you don't think the alternate is the default?!!!!!!!!
• 902[08:27:29] <milkt> there are many installer available with comes with different DE, so i have no idea about it
• 903[08:27:46] <sudobash74> Yea and then you have net-tools giving no ifconfig but switching to ip?
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• 905[08:28:20] <sudobash74> milkt you're obviously an idiot troll that likes to be difficult about "technicalities" which is actually just fucking stupid and childish
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• 907[08:28:49] <milkt> okay, so which insataller did you used again?
• 908[08:28:58] <sudobash74> What do you mean by "default?"
• 909[08:29:03] <allizom> sudobash74: understand that what works for you may not run well for others. There are users which do not want icons all over their workspace. Default can't satisfy everyone. Flip the switch and be done. Don't insult anyone here
• 910[08:30:17] <sudobash74> That's BS allizom, you know good and well the "Majority" of Desktop / Laptop users what a workable, usable desktop. How and WHY is that such a hard concept to understand?
• 911[08:30:26] <sudobash74> want*
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• 913[08:30:53] <sudobash74> Desktop = Desk Top... Some developer is going to see this rant and be like, he's right that's stupid AF
• 914[08:31:04] <sudobash74> I bet multiple developers
• 915[08:31:12] <sudobash74> and you're excuse is entirely BS
• 916[08:31:19] <milkt> mind your language
• 917[08:31:33] <sudobash74> Some users don't want to have a usable desktop? What users are that exactly?
• 918[08:32:10] <sudobash74> I guarantee if you did a poll like you SHOULD, the users would want their icons and usable desktop!
• 919[08:32:18] <sudobash74> Who even makes the decisions?
• 920[08:32:37] <sudobash74> This needs to be escalated because this has been an issues for many many years and is absolutely ridiculous
• 921[08:32:55] <milkt> so that is the reason why there is debian insatller with some fancy desktop environment
• 922[08:33:27] <milkt> you chose netinst or xfce installer i guess?
• 923[08:33:52] <sudobash74> SO you're saying that because there is an installer with a fancy desktop, that makes it okay for the default install not to have a workable usable desktop? You see no issue with that logic?
• 924[08:34:30] <milkt> there are users who don't want bloated desktop environment, like me
• 925[08:34:42] <sudobash74> Again milkt you obviously have no idea what I'm talking about because you've only EVER used the net intsaller
• 926[08:35:01] <sudobash74> Okay so a few users out weigh the wishes of the overall majority?
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• 928[08:35:20] <milkt> desktop is universal operating system, not operating system only for majority
• 929[08:35:37] <sudobash74> Take a poll and see what the users actually want and act accordingly or lose out to every other OS for the rest of your existence
• 930[08:36:14] <sudobash74> Honestly I'm rooting for Debian, but it's not looking pretty because your developers just do their own thing and don't consider what anyone wants except themselves
• 931[08:36:33] <sudobash74> Was there even a discussion over this?
• 932[08:36:48] <tarzeau> sudobash74: replaced-url
• 933[08:37:01] <sudobash74> or just one day a developer decided the default install would suck and not have a usable desktop environment
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• 935[08:38:10] <sudobash74> Honestly If I were all of you I would be concerned that it wasn't an Ubuntu developer who did that maliciously to push Debian users over to Ubuntu and it just never got noticed / addressed..... and now you just claim it as a feature
• 936[08:38:31] <sudobash74> I mean whatever though
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• 938[08:38:53] <sudobash74> Can anyone provide information on when that was established in Debian?
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• 940[08:39:06] <sudobash74> And what developer it came from?
• 941[08:39:23] <sudobash74> Do we Know it wasn't malicious?
• 942[08:39:41] <sudobash74> I would rather like to know...
• 943[08:39:47] <milkt> sudobash74: go try installing gnome, and sincerely hope you to stop trolling here
• 944[08:40:05] <sudobash74> I'm not trolling, I honestly want what is best for Debian and that is absolutely not it
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• 947[08:40:34] <sudobash74> No you all are right, just go use Ubuntu right?
• 948[08:40:42] <Sinewpy> The debian installer allows you to select a desktop environment
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• 950[08:40:48] <milkt> goodbye
• 951[08:41:20] <sudobash74> what is the default DE in the net installer?
• 952[08:41:48] <milkt> net installer do not have DE included
• 953[08:42:36] <sudobash74> So it just boots to CLI like old school linux where you had to startx or init?
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• 955[08:43:03] <sudobash74> Just to a cli login?
• 956[08:43:10] <milkt> don't have X server either i think, not so sure
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• 958[08:44:05] <milkt> sudobash74: replaced-url
• 959[08:44:06] <sudobash74> That's only if you don't select a DE, what is the default DE if you select the option to install
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• 961[08:44:22] <milkt> okay it depends on which installer you use
• 962[08:44:34] <milkt> if you use xfce installer, it install xfce DE
• 963[08:44:39] <milkt> if you use gnome installer, it install gnome DE
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• 966[08:44:51] <sudobash74> I'm pretty sure we were talking about the net installer
• 967[08:44:59] <sudobash74> not any specific installer
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• 969[08:45:03] <sudobash74> just the default netinstall
• 970[08:45:03] <milkt> net installer do not include DE
• 971[08:45:17] <sudobash74> there is an option to select one
• 972[08:45:19] <sudobash74> I think milkt should be banned for spreading misinformation
• 973[08:45:21] <milkt> no
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• 976[08:45:48] <sudobash74> yes
• 977[08:45:53] <sudobash74> misinformation
• 978[08:45:53] <milkt> replaced-url
• 979[08:46:10] <milkt> it is only 300MB size installer, including minimal basic stuff
• 980[08:46:26] <allizom> milkt: you can choose to install a DE from netinst, it will be downloaded from the network
• 981[08:46:29] <sudobash74> yes an it DOWNLOADS all the other stuff
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• 983[08:46:47] <sudobash74> Stop trying to provide help, you don't know what you're talking about
• 984[08:46:49] <milkt> allizom: i see, sorry for that, i mostly use it offline
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• 987[08:47:13] <sudobash74> does anyone know what that default DE is?
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• 992[08:47:56] <sudobash74> nevermind jesus I'll just download it install and write a blog about the sad but inevitable decline of Debian and how it will be eventually be absorbed by Ubuntu
• 993[08:48:19] <nano-> Hi, trying to install build-essential fails in wheezy (archive.debian.org) due to libc6-dev not being available:
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• 995[08:48:22] <nano-> libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.13-38+deb7u10) but 2.13-38+deb7u12 is to be installed
• 996[08:48:31] <sudobash74> since no one is willing to address a super simple user friendliness issue
• 997[08:48:32] <nano-> Need to compile some old crap :(
• 998[08:48:46] <sudobash74> ok so install libc6-dev
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• 1000[08:48:59] <nano-> sudobash74: Depends: libc6 (= 2.13-38+deb7u10) but 2.13-38+deb7u12
• 1001[08:49:04] <sudobash74> you might also want the i386 counterparts if you have further issues
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• 1003[08:49:17] <nano-> Need amd64.
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• 1007[08:51:10] <sudobash74> grab the latest package and install it
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• 1010[08:52:11] <sudobash74> can you force install the package without it causing any dependency issues?
• 1011[08:52:25] <sudobash74> This is similar: replaced-url
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• 1013[08:53:25] <nano-> But shouldn't wheezy, albeit archived, remain frozen in a working state?
• 1014[08:53:34] <sudobash74> I've had the same issue before when developing in C++ but can't remember how I fixed it. I want to say I found the package I needed ie 7u12 in your case, and installed that, but I may have compiled libc6 from source which seems unlikely
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• 1019[08:54:50] <Fox> sudobash74: /la
• 1020[08:54:58] <Fox> hell, wrong term
• 1021[08:55:17] <nano-> apt-cache show libc6|grep Version
• 1022[08:55:17] <nano-> Version: 2.13-38+deb7u12
• 1023[08:55:17] <nano-> Version: 2.13-38+deb7u10
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• 1025[08:55:38] <nano-> Where eglibc is the source of latter one.
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• 1028[08:56:51] <sudobash74> see the answer here: replaced-url
• 1029[08:57:05] <sudobash74> you can download whichever package you need to be using and force install it with dpkg
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• 1031[08:57:28] <sudobash74> sudo dpkg -i --force-depends
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• 1033[08:57:58] <nano-> But shouldn't wheezy in archive.debian.org just work? I could install build-essential from archive just a week ago I'm pretty sure.
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• 1035[08:58:13] <sudobash74> yea should but that's different that does
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• 1038[08:58:38] <sudobash74> repo is behind what you need probably
• 1039[08:59:48] <nano-> I know its archived and so on.. but having it archived in a broken state seems like a waste of disk space :)
• 1040[09:00:06] <sudobash74> Oh wait the repo is ahead of what you need
• 1041[09:00:15] <sudobash74> 2.13-38+deb7u10
• 1042[09:00:35] <sudobash74> just download that package and force install it
• 1043[09:00:41] <sudobash74> it'll fix your issues
• 1044[09:00:49] <sudobash74> uninstall 7u12
• 1045[09:00:52] <jcrain> nano-: where did you get the u12 version? far as I can see u10 is the last in wheezy.
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• 1047[09:01:31] <jelly> doing --force-depends _will_ break apt
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• 1049[09:01:56] <nano-> I'm installing this on the wheezy docker image. I'll have an extra look if there's anything funky going on.
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• 1057[09:04:48] <nano-> jcrain: 2.13-38+deb7u12 is installed in debian:wheezy-slim.
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• 1059[09:05:33] <jelly> nano-: show the output of "apt-cache policy libc6-dev" and "apt-cache policy", please
• 1060[09:05:47] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
• 1061[09:05:47] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 1063[09:06:55] <nano-> replaced-url
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• 1065[09:07:08] <jelly> nano-: it's likely you're missing the archived wheezy-lts repo in sources.list. I'd avoid doing what sudobash74 said as that can do more harm than good.
• 1066[09:07:27] <jelly> right
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• 1068[09:08:00] <jelly> nano-: add "deb replaced-url
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• 1070[09:08:08] <sudobash74> yea because installing a package does so much damage
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• 1073[09:08:15] <jelly> sudobash74: yes, it does.
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• 1075[09:08:24] <sudobash74> rarely
• 1076[09:08:45] <sudobash74> Keep your distro functional then
• 1077[09:08:47] <sudobash74> and repos
• 1078[09:08:59] <jelly> if you have to use --force-depends something else is really wrong and needs to be fixed
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• 1081[09:09:24] <sudobash74> it would have work with apt -f install
• 1082[09:09:44] <nano-> jelly: ah thanks! that solved it. i thought that security had been rolled into the main repo and only echoed the main repo into sources.list (the debian:wheezy-slim doesn't have archive.debian.org repos in its sources.list)
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• 1087[09:10:55] <nano-> jelly: found the emails of the container maintainers, dropping them a mail for a final wheezy-slim update.
• 1088[09:11:16] <jelly> nano-: the packages in security repo for wheezy, during LTS support, were not done by Debian Security Team but by LTS team, and those never got integrated in the main repo as a point release.
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• 1090[09:12:45] <jelly> sudobash74: there are better ways to downgrade things, but in this case a downgrade wasn't needed at all
• 1091[09:13:19] <sudobash74> there is also more than one way to do anything and everything in linux
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• 1093[09:13:36] <nano-> Thanks a lot everyone for taking time to help me out here. I appreciate it.
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• 1097[09:14:07] <jelly> sudobash74: yes, and dpkg's force options are best avoided if possible. If you have to use themit means packages have bugs.
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• 1135[09:44:27] <domovoy> hi
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• 1146[09:49:05] <domovoy> trying to setup kerberos by following replaced-url
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• 1149[09:53:11] <jelly> domovoy: perhaps you need to add those "ReadWriteDirectories" to the _correct_ service unit, where did you add it and did you systemctl daemon-reload ?
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• 1152[09:54:35] <domovoy> jelly> /lib/systemd/system/krb5-admin-server.service thought it could be a service reload issue, trying now
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• 1156[09:56:14] <domovoy> jelly> systemctl daemon-reload did it, thanks
• 1157[09:56:41] <jelly> domovoy: if that works, it would be better to do put any changes into a separate file in /etc/systemd/system/krb5-admin-server.d/
• 1158[09:57:05] <jelly> files under /lib will get overwritten with package upgrades
• 1159[09:57:08] <domovoy> jelly> so that it is not messed up by upgrade?
• 1160[09:57:13] <domovoy> :)
• 1161[09:58:15] <jelly> domovoy: something like mkdir /etc/systemd/system/krb5-admin-server.d; printf '[Service]\nReadWriteDirectories=...\n' > /etc/systemd/system/krb5-admin-server.d/local.conf
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• 1165[09:59:29] <jelly> domovoy: and a reportbug please
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• 1167[10:00:01] <domovoy> jelly> yes, was about to do that right after i configured it "right"
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• 1170[10:00:55] * jelly nods
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• 1176[10:01:59] <domovoy> do i just put 'ReadWriteDirectories=/var/log/kerberos' in the etc config? or is there a particular syntax to _add_ the directory to what is set in /lib?
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• 1183[10:05:43] <jelly> domovoy: I... have no idea but I suspect it does appending, not replacing
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• 1186[10:07:36] <jelly> #systemd might know (or Try It And See)
• 1187[10:07:39] <domovoy> well, let's try, i guess the service won't start if those other directories are not rw anymore
• 1188[10:08:31] <jelly> I know I had to jump hoops to replace ExecStart completely but do not remember if it's a special case
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• 1190[10:09:47] <domovoy> seems to append, service does restart without error. Any way to be sure? (like a sysctl command which would list those dir?)
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• 1195[10:18:53] <domovoy> since the problem is both in krb5-admin-server and krb5-kdc, i suppose the package is krb5-config?
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• 1199[10:28:21] <domovoy> thing is, is it still a bug if the [logging] section is not in /etc/krb5.conf by default?
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• 1238[11:08:06] <SynrG> hm. for jasonwc (yesterday), i forgot about apt install pkgname/targetrelease. ah well. and i'm unlikely to be around if-and-when they return, so just dropping this tip here now
• 1239[11:08:43] <SynrG> back to work
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• 1262[11:26:56] <brokencycle> Hi! I am trying to run Buster and, since today, can't start X anymore (I did a dist-upgrade yesterday).
• 1263[11:27:22] <brokencycle> With the nouveau driver, I get "Error allocating PGRAPH context for M2MF"
• 1264[11:28:45] <brokencycle> When I try to start X, the monitor briefly goes into graphics mode and starts to paint the background, then X immediately terminates "successfully".
• 1265[11:29:16] <brokencycle> Any tips are most welcome!
• 1266[11:30:32] <bhuddah> !testing | brokencycle
• 1267[11:30:38] <bhuddah> dammit.
• 1268[11:30:42] <bhuddah> !testing
• 1269[11:30:42] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
• 1270[11:31:05] <brokencycle> bhuddah: I know, but my hardware is too new for stable.
• 1271[11:31:15] <bhuddah> brokencycle: read it again.
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• 1273[11:31:36] <brokencycle> Ok. "debian-next"... I get it. Thank you!
• 1274[11:31:57] <bhuddah> enjoy.
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• 1291[11:50:27] <farmer> Hello guys, I am trying to do apt-get update on my debian linux box, but i get the following error: "W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: replaced-url
• 1292[11:50:28] <farmer> y is not available: NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010 NO_PUBKEY 04EE7237B7D453EC"
• 1293[11:50:54] <farmer> Can someone help me bring this about? Or at least explain the problem to me. Sorry for the beginner question.
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• 1325[12:12:51] <Wulf> farmer: is the debian-archive-keyring package installed?
• 1326[12:12:56] <Wulf> and which version?
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• 1345[12:31:30] <ikus060> Hello, I'm searching for the documentation describing how to recompile the kernel with some modification for debian
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• 1355[12:44:53] <Tom-_> there's a debian-kernel-handbook, i haven't read but maybe it's it
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• 1376[13:04:10] <BCMM> ikus060: replaced-url
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• 1378[13:04:55] <BCMM> ikus060: note that, if you are using the config from a signed Debian kernel, you'll need to remove a few config entries to deal with the fact that you don't have debian's signing key
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• 1384[13:11:02] <ikus060> BCMM: Thanks, I was going trought the document already. But not mention of debian signing key
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• 1386[13:11:15] <ikus060> BCMM: Do you know where are the config ??
• 1387[13:11:28] <BCMM> ikus060: section 4.5 of that document
• 1388[13:12:07] <BCMM> (just mentioned it because it was the one thing that really tripped me up when i was using debian to bisect a kernel problem)
• 1389[13:12:10] <ikus060> `scripts/config --disable MODULE_SIG` ??
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• 1391[13:12:49] <domovoy> so, stille setting up kerberos by following replaced-url
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• 1393[13:13:38] <domovoy> i guess this is still an issue with systemd "ReadWriteDirectories", but which directory is concerned?
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• 1398[13:15:09] <ikus060> BCMM: Not like it's highlighted.
• 1399[13:15:23] <BCMM> not sure i understand
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• 1401[13:17:09] <ikus060> BCMM: The documentation doesn't make it obvious. It's easy to skip this step.
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• 1407[13:25:15] <ikus060> BCMM: I think I got it started to compile !
• 1408[13:25:43] <t0rrant> Hello everyone, I have been using `apt.conf` options for http/ftp/socks proxy and was wondering if there is a setting similar no `no_proxy` for all or each of the protocols, can't find anything in the docs. Thanks in advance.
• 1409[13:27:18] <themill> t0rrant: to override it from the command line for a single operation?
• 1410[13:28:19] <t0rrant> themill: I was actually looking for a more permanent way, i.e: I have 1 repo to which I don't want to access via proxy, but the rest of them I do
• 1411[13:28:28] <themill> ah
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• 1414[13:29:14] <t0rrant> is there another way besides passing `-o Acquire::http:Proxy "false"` to the `apt` command?
• 1415[13:29:22] <themill> not that I know of
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• 1418[13:29:34] <jelly> / Proxy::ftp.irb.hr "DIRECT" ;
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• 1420[13:29:46] <jelly> // Proxy::ftp.irb.hr "DIRECT" ;
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• 1422[13:29:57] <t0rrant> jelly: you are awesome
• 1423[13:30:00] <themill> oh!
• 1424[13:30:20] <t0rrant> and that is appended to Acquire::http?
• 1425[13:30:25] <jelly> (inside Acquire { http {
• 1426[13:30:29] <jelly> yes
• 1427[13:30:30] <t0rrant> nice!
• 1428[13:30:42] <themill> I didn't know (or had forgotten) you could do per-host config like that
• 1429[13:30:58] <jelly> good thing I keep 20 year old settings in files
• 1430[13:31:03] <themill> :D
• 1431[13:31:05] <t0rrant> thanks a lot! Have a cookie ^_^
• 1432[13:31:09] <jelly> !cookie me
• 1433[13:31:11] <dpkg> Hey jelly, wusb54ag is The Linksys WUSB54AG "Wireless A/G USB Network Adapter" is an 802.11g device (USB ID 13b1:000c). For support on Debian systems, ask me about <p54>. Not to be confused with the <WUSB54G>.
• 1434[13:31:22] <jelly> wat
• 1435[13:31:24] <t0rrant> !cookie jelly
• 1436[13:31:26] <dpkg> Hey t0rrant, qotd214 is zarnozC: never mind. pastebin the output of ssh -vvv servername <zarnozC> replaced-url
• 1437[13:31:56] <themill> dpkg, help cookie
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• 1439[13:32:01] <jelly> who put me in quotes of the day
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• 1441[13:32:07] <themill> [21:31] <dpkg> I can feed your appetite with random factoids.
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• 1443[13:32:19] <themill> bad bot
• 1444[13:32:32] * jelly goes over to #debian-offtopic for the cookie
• 1445[13:32:42] <Zppix> Lol
• 1446[13:32:52] * themill finds Acquire::http::Proxy::HOST in apt.conf(5)
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• 1457[13:43:53] <andi_> is there a way to download all deps for a specific package? like if i want to install gcc offline and download all deps?
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• 1459[13:44:55] <colo-work> apt-get install --download-only ...
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• 1461[13:45:10] <colo-work> they'll land in /var/cache/apt/archives/
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• 1468[13:51:09] <jelly> !rc bugs
• 1469[13:51:09] <dpkg> Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at replaced-url
• 1470[13:51:42] <themill> andi_: "all" is a term that isn't as simple as it first seems. Tools like apt-offline or apt-zip are better options
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• 1473[13:52:19] <jelly> oh wow, only 157
• 1474[13:52:31] * jelly hopes it's all the really complex stuff
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• 1477[13:53:30] <tarzeau> there used to be a bet system for days until release. is that still there?
• 1478[13:53:58] <jelly> !buster pool
• 1479[13:53:58] <dpkg> See <buster pool 1> for bets placed on when Buster will release. To add one, ask me about <buster bet>.
• 1480[13:54:13] <jelly> !buster pool 1
• 1481[13:54:13] <dpkg> ! coruja=2019-06-25 themíll=2019-06-15 jëlly=2019-08-01 petn-rándall=2019-07-28
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• 1484[13:55:55] * themill thinks he needs to fix some bugs
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• 1490[13:59:25] <BCMM> !buster pool 1
• 1491[13:59:26] <dpkg> ! coruja=2019-06-25 themíll=2019-06-15 jëlly=2019-08-01 petn-rándall=2019-07-28
• 1492[13:59:55] <BCMM> what's with the accents?
• 1493[14:02:29] <themill> saves getting spammed with highlights every time it's called
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• 1495[14:02:55] <colo-work> what a gross and nifty hack
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• 1505[14:07:34] <Herve33_> hello
• 1506[14:08:59] <jelly> !buster bet
• 1507[14:08:59] <dpkg> To add a bet to the <buster pool>, /msg dpkg buster pool 1 =~ s/!/! yournick=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when "buster pool 1" is full, create "buster pool 2" and update this factoid.
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• 1548[14:46:33] <dcpc007> hi, in a systemd script, i got an error after stop even if application stop corretly
• 1549[14:46:56] <dcpc007> in the status i see Active Failed because of exit-code
• 1550[14:47:02] <dcpc007> and in the journalctl
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• 1552[14:47:21] <dcpc007> Main process exited, code=exited, status=15/n/a
• 1553[14:47:35] <dcpc007> kill 15 should be a normal end
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• 1555[14:48:01] <dcpc007> if i understand it's a SIGTERM send to a process to end its work
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• 1557[14:49:29] <dcpc007> note that i have a KillMode=none
• 1558[14:49:42] <dcpc007> as the application stops successfully
• 1559[14:52:49] <dcpc007> i have a little doubt about the Type (forking or simple) in my case
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• 1598[15:23:32] <ksk> dcpc007: The process exited with status 15, it did not exit due to a signal 15 ;)
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• 1600[15:23:52] <dcpc007> hum
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• 1602[15:24:14] <dcpc007> status=15 is not for the the signal sent ?
• 1603[15:24:26] <ksk> imho not.
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• 1606[15:25:35] <themill> status=15 is also not necessarily the exit code
• 1607[15:26:01] <dcpc007> i've found an option for add valide ext codes
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• 1610[15:27:34] <dcpc007> SuccessExitStatus=143
• 1611[15:28:11] <dcpc007> i'm loooking for the process documentation with exit codes
• 1612[15:28:31] <dcpc007> but in the log, at least, i see the normal shutdown process and succedeed
• 1613[15:29:01] <dcpc007> like if return 15 should be ok, but now , i have to check :) and not many doc about this one
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• 1617[15:29:55] <dcpc007> thx for tip, at least new search possible :)
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• 1686[16:15:40] <zetuno> whats the commandline way to configure wifi? this guide seems out of date - no iwconfig or iwlist available? replaced-url
• 1687[16:16:20] <greycat> iwconfig and iwlist are on that page
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• 1689[16:16:30] <zetuno> what package are they in?
• 1690[16:16:36] <greycat> ,file bin/iwconfig
• 1691[16:16:40] <judd> Search for bin/iwconfig in stretch/amd64: wireless-tools: sbin/iwconfig
• 1692[16:16:42] <greycat> ,file bin/iwlist
• 1693[16:16:46] <judd> Search for bin/iwlist in stretch/amd64: wireless-tools: sbin/iwlist
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• 1695[16:16:56] <zetuno> thanks
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• 1702[16:21:18] <kreyren> more info? replaced-url
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• 1721[16:35:34] <mutantturkey> i have an LSB script, that depends on another one running. besides Required-Start $all, could i do
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• 1723[16:35:39] <mutantturkey> Reqired-Start: consul
• 1724[16:35:44] <mutantturkey> (the name of the dependency)
• 1725[16:35:44] <mutantturkey> ?
• 1726[16:37:29] <jelly> or if it's optional # Should-Start:
• 1727[16:37:46] <mutantturkey> non optional. my second script bails when it can't talk to consul
• 1728[16:37:52] <mutantturkey> X-Start-Before?
• 1729[16:37:59] <jelly> no idea what that is
• 1730[16:38:02] <mutantturkey> hm
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• 1774[17:00:13] <martin-_-_> hi
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• 1776[17:00:43] <martin-_-_> I created with checkinstall a .deb package. now i want to uninstall it with dpkg
• 1777[17:01:10] <martin-_-_> but it always complains with: dpkg -r git-2.10.4_2.10.4-1_sparc. dpkg: you must s
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• 1779[17:01:23] <greycat> you remove package names, not filenames
• 1780[17:01:27] <martin-_-_> dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in
• 1781[17:01:28] <dpkg> I resemble that remark!
• 1782[17:01:43] <g0zzy> Can someone please tell me where the debian-live channel has gone?
• 1783[17:01:48] <greycat> OFTC networ
• 1784[17:01:49] <greycat> k
• 1785[17:02:01] <jelly> martin-_-_: so, dpkg told you what you were doing wrong
• 1786[17:02:03] <greycat> martin-_-_: the package name is git-2.10.4
• 1787[17:02:06] <g0zzy> I tried that. Looks empty
• 1788[17:02:15] <jelly> the package name is "git"
• 1789[17:02:19] <martin-_-_> I need a list of the package names
• 1790[17:02:27] <jelly> oh
• 1791[17:02:28] <jelly> wtf
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• 1794[17:03:12] <jelly> the file name _suggests _the package name is git-2.10.4 but surely that can't be right!
• 1795[17:03:28] <greycat> It's something he did, not something Debian did, so only he knows.
• 1796[17:03:34] <martin-_-_> no its not git. its dpkg -r git-2.10.4 :)
• 1797[17:03:37] <jelly> martin-_-_: dpkg -l | grep ^.i
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• 1799[17:04:00] <jelly> martin-_-_: is this really debian?
• 1800[17:04:04] <martin-_-_> anyway I need a list of all custom installed packages
• 1801[17:04:14] <martin-_-_> jelly somehow its Debian
• 1802[17:04:17] <martin-_-_> thanks
• 1803[17:04:26] <greycat> so you don't even KNOW what you did but you expect us to know somehow
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• 1805[17:04:39] <jelly> martin-_-_: what does "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg | tail -n2" say?
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• 1809[17:06:47] <martin-_-_> dpkg 1.14.26, libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6.infrant1
• 1810[17:06:47] <dpkg> martin-_-_: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
• 1811[17:07:08] <greycat> !sarge
• 1812[17:07:08] <dpkg> Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old sarge ISOs here: replaced-url
• 1813[17:07:09] <jelly> can you show the complete and unchanged output
• 1814[17:07:20] * martin-_-_ waiting to get blamed by jelly
• 1815[17:07:39] <martin-_-_> oh no its greycat ^^
• 1816[17:07:41] <jelly> just wondering where you got a 32bit sparc
• 1817[17:07:57] <jelly> it seems you got somewhere around 1996.
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• 1820[17:09:04] <martin-_-_> jelly replaced-url
• 1821[17:10:06] <jelly> that looks a bit like some appliance, custom libc6 build
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• 1824[17:11:21] <mutantturkey> ot sure i'm reading the rc levels correctly rc2.d/S01abc would execute before rc2.d/S05xyz right?
• 1825[17:12:13] <greycat> in a pure sysv-rc setup with nothing that scrambles it all up and manages "dependencies", yes
• 1826[17:12:29] <greycat> !insserv
• 1827[17:12:29] <dpkg> insserv is a dependency-based <init> system that is compatible with <sysvinit> and is the default from Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards. To use insserv, your init scripts need to have tags at the top of them that describe what they depend on, to permit the correct ordering of the init scripts; ask me about <missing lsb tags>.
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• 1829[17:12:45] <mutantturkey> yep
• 1830[17:12:56] <martin-_-__> battery dead without notice -.-
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• 1834[17:13:36] <martin-_-__> did I missed an important conversation regarding my sparc?
• 1835[17:13:39] <mutantturkey> yeah, we're using sysvinit on jessie
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• 1838[17:14:36] <greycat> so, because of insserv, S01 may or may not run before S05
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• 1841[17:15:41] <indomitable> Season 1 of Debian?
• 1842[17:15:50] <indomitable> That would be a truly dull show
• 1843[17:15:55] <jelly> ACTUALLY
• 1844[17:16:12] <mutantturkey> ah, so how can i unpack what the expected execution path will be?
• 1845[17:16:27] <indomitable> jelly, no, no actually for you
• 1846[17:16:50] <jelly> insserv generates those S01.. S05 symlinks and runs merely each S01* in parallel
• 1847[17:17:07] <mutantturkey> right
• 1848[17:17:08] <indomitable> I don't know what sane person would use S01 to mean anything but a season of a TV show
• 1849[17:17:12] <indomitable> but I hope I am about to find out
• 1850[17:17:13] <jelly> so yes, S01something always runs before S05somethingelse
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• 1852[17:17:17] <greycat> OK
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• 1854[17:17:38] <mutantturkey> S is boot and K is shutdown?
• 1855[17:17:50] <greycat> Start and Kill, yes
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• 1857[17:18:36] <mutantturkey> gotcha, so from my grepping, looks like my boot script is running after consul
• 1858[17:18:39] <mutantturkey> S02consul and S01fmboot
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• 1861[17:19:23] <greycat> Is this question really "How do I make my service wait until consul is *ready* not just *started*"?
• 1862[17:19:41] <mutantturkey> no, because there' clearly executing out of order
• 1863[17:19:44] <mutantturkey> based on what you told me
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• 1867[17:20:28] <mutantturkey> but, that's an interesting question
• 1868[17:20:32] <greycat> Then I don't know what the question is.
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• 1871[17:22:03] <mutantturkey> does insserv recalculate dependencies for all services when i run 'insserv consul' ?
• 1872[17:22:15] <jelly> yes
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• 1875[17:22:42] <Onepamopa> Any of you guys experiencing trouble using multi-monitor? it's a hardware install with Intel HD graphics + an old AMD radeon HD6xxx. BIOS has the PEG as the primary @1920x1080, 2nd - Intel is at 1024x768. For some reason the 2nd monitor is not shown at "Displays". Any clue?
• 1876[17:22:57] <mutantturkey> Required Start: $all is working in that case then
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• 1878[17:23:10] <mutantturkey> so i guess the follow up is, yes greycat. how do i make my service wait until consol is ready?
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• 1882[17:23:56] <mutantturkey> it broadcasts on 8500, could adjust my boot script to wait for that to open
• 1883[17:24:00] <greycat> In the cold and primitive sysv world, you write a shell loop that sleeps and tries to contact this consul service, using whatever means one uses to contact it, until it succeeds. Then you exit the loop and allow the service to run.
• 1884[17:24:28] <mutantturkey> basically
• 1885[17:24:42] <mutantturkey> i assume systemd manages some of these problems?
• 1886[17:24:43] <jelly> waiting for socket has never been more fun
• 1887[17:25:33] <greycat> I'm not sure what "broadcasts on 8500" means or how that relates to "wait for ... to open" which implies something listening.
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• 1889[17:25:48] <mutantturkey> no broadcasts, sorry.
• 1890[17:25:51] <mutantturkey> listens on 8500 for clients to talk to it.
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• 1892[17:26:10] <jelly> mutantturkey: yes, systemd implements many of the tedious things one would have been forced to code in a shell script previously
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• 1897[17:28:05] <mutantturkey> while ! nc -z localhost 8500; do sleep 1; done
• 1898[17:28:07] <mutantturkey> not super evil
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• 1901[17:29:29] <greycat> Evilometer: 0[ * ]1
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• 1903[17:29:43] <Everspace_> Wouldn't it be so simple as waiting on the console service?
• 1904[17:29:58] <mutantturkey> yeah that's what that does
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• 1918[17:40:55] <jelly> that's possibly less evil than looking at /proc/pid-of-service/fd/ for the listener socket in a while loop
• 1919[17:41:39] <jelly> ,i consul
• 1920[17:41:41] <judd> No package named 'consul' was found in stretch/amd64.
• 1921[17:43:30] <jelly> Everspace_: so many init scripts return (with a successful exit status) before the service is usable
• 1922[17:43:45] <Everspace_> whyyyyy
• 1923[17:43:48] <Everspace_> I hate this
• 1924[17:43:58] <jelly> because writing correct init scripts is hard
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• 1926[17:44:20] <Everspace_> fair enough. I am probably more annoyed with people exiting non-0 on success
• 1927[17:44:32] <greycat> at some point in the 1980s someone thought "Hey, I have this really cool idea -- we'll make services spawn children of themselves in the background!"
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• 1929[17:44:40] <greycat> All hell has followed from that.
• 1930[17:44:46] <Everspace_> fork was a mistake
• 1931[17:45:21] <jelly> systemctl start ... returns 0 when all it does is "I've successfully sent systemd a command to start service ... and it accepted the command"
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• 1933[17:46:19] <greycat> systemd has a voluntary feature where services can be rewritten to notify the system that they are ready to accept clients or otherwise actually do stuff
• 1934[17:46:36] <jelly> and it's not default nor mandatory
• 1935[17:46:42] <greycat> unfortunately, there is no way to do that without diving directly into the actual source code of the service and adding code
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• 1937[17:47:37] <jelly> so you just move the complexity from an init script (and the sysadmin or distro maintainer) to the upstream code (and distro maintainer or upstream author)
• 1938[17:47:39] <mutantturkey> hm
• 1939[17:47:48] <mutantturkey> we're using daemontools to run consul
• 1940[17:48:14] <greycat> 11:18 mutantturkey> S02consul and S01fmboot
• 1941[17:48:21] <greycat> one of these two statements is wrong
• 1942[17:48:24] <jelly> that was a lie, eh?
• 1943[17:48:37] <greycat> or maybe both
• 1944[17:48:48] <mutantturkey> greycat: ?
• 1945[17:48:57] <avu> just find out which looks more like a cake. that one's the lie
• 1946[17:49:02] <jelly> unless /etc/init.d/consul does something like mv /etc/service/.consul /etc/service/consul
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• 1948[17:49:11] <greycat> You are either using daemontools to start it, or you have an S02consul sysv-rc script. Not both.
• 1949[17:49:21] <mutantturkey> yeah, it does svc consul start
• 1950[17:49:28] <greycat> *sigh*
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• 1952[17:49:38] <mutantturkey> or -u
• 1953[17:50:10] <greycat> Sounds like you have no idea what you're actually doing (or whoever set this up had no idea).
• 1954[17:50:28] <mutantturkey> old systems dont grow in the best ways always
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• 1956[17:50:40] <mutantturkey> > I just work here
• 1957[17:50:45] <mutantturkey> lol
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• 1960[17:51:35] <greycat> If you want the init.d/consul script just to serve as a convenience wrapper around svc -u or svc -d, that's great. No problem. But then there should NOT be an rc2.d/S* or K* symlink to it, because you aren't actually using sysv-rc to RUN the thing at boot.
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• 1962[17:51:55] <greycat> And none of the insserv or LSB etc. stuff matters.
• 1963[17:52:06] <mutantturkey> does supervise kick off all the services it knows at boot time?
• 1964[17:52:21] <mutantturkey> no
• 1965[17:52:23] <greycat> If you mean daemontools, yes. It launches everything at once.
• 1966[17:52:30] <mutantturkey> at what point?
• 1967[17:52:33] <nojake> lol
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• 1970[17:52:55] <greycat> Shortly after you start daemontools.
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• 1972[17:53:24] <mutantturkey> greycat, yeah i have no idea what i'm doing
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• 1976[17:54:08] <nojake> i have had installed debian from the dvd. 9.8.0. .. lol. it didn't work.
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• 1978[17:54:25] <greycat> You could start by figuring out where daemontools gets started from. Check /etc/inittab and /etc/rc.local and /etc/rc*.d/ at least.
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• 1980[17:54:53] <greycat> you're looking for something like /command/svscanboot
• 1981[17:54:59] <mutantturkey> m
• 1982[17:55:14] <nojake> i have the feeling though, that esoteric names for everything starts to reappear.. here and then. so i guess they are finite.
• 1983[17:55:18] <mutantturkey> SV:123456:respawn:/usr/bin/svscanboot
• 1984[17:55:51] <greycat> So init starts it whenever it gets to that line in inittab, and all of the services that daemontools manages get launched in parallel shortly after that.
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• 1988[17:56:25] <mutantturkey> yeah, which goes back to using something like nc -z
• 1989[17:56:32] <mutantturkey> or there's a pattern in some of these init files
• 1990[17:56:32] <mutantturkey> until svok "/service/$SERVICE"; do sleep 1; done
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• 1992[17:56:46] <greycat> I don't think svok is what you want.
• 1993[17:56:48] <mutantturkey> which, might be about the same (i like nc because i know the process is actually listening)
• 1994[17:57:22] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 1996[17:57:28] <nojake> everything is detailed described. set it to the machineID. right. machineID. every kid knows.
• 1997[17:57:32] <greycat> it just checks whether the thing is running, not whether it's listening
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• 1999[17:58:14] <nojake> whats your machineID greycat.
• 2000[17:58:20] <greycat> 7
• 2001[17:58:24] <nojake> hm.
• 2002[17:58:27] <nojake> and mine?
• 2003[17:58:33] <greycat> How would I know yours?
• 2004[17:59:14] <nojake> i dont know. can u tell me if i tell u my ip?
• 2005[17:59:28] <mutantturkey> yeah, so that would hang around till supervise is supervising that folder (like /etc/consul)
• 2006[17:59:40] <nojake> seriously. what could that be?
• 2007[17:59:56] <greycat> nojake: how about some context? "I'm trying to ___ and it says ____"
• 2008[18:00:06] <nojake> D-bus
• 2009[18:00:18] <nojake> im trying to figure out what it is.
• 2010[18:00:22] <mutantturkey> cat /etc/machine-id
• 2011[18:00:28] <nojake> thanks.
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• 2013[18:00:42] <greycat> No manual entry for dbus
• 2014[18:00:45] <greycat> Harumph.
• 2015[18:00:57] <nojake> its huge man.
• 2016[18:01:08] <greycat> there should be a dbus(7) that explains the basic concepts
• 2017[18:01:27] <greycat> dbus-daemons(1) refers you to a web page
• 2018[18:01:33] <greycat> oops, dbus-daemon(1)
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• 2025[18:02:42] <nojake> can i turn it off? lol.
• 2026[18:02:48] <nojake> i guess no.
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• 2028[18:02:57] <greycat> What are you actually trying to do?
• 2029[18:03:01] <nojake> i dont want my processes to communicate man.
• 2030[18:03:07] <greycat> MS-DOS.
• 2031[18:03:16] <nojake> services.
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• 2034[18:03:37] <nojake> i can define an interface on 2-3 pages of clarity.
• 2035[18:03:52] <nojake> at least i feel motivated.
• 2036[18:04:38] <nojake> thanks for the good will. u will help me greycat.
• 2037[18:04:52] <nojake> but first i need to learn to crawl. for today its cool.
• 2038[18:05:29] <jelly> processes that do not communicate are not too useful
• 2039[18:05:34] <jelly> !ask
• 2040[18:05:34] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2043[18:05:58] <nojake> jelly: have you ever eaten humen flesh?
• 2044[18:06:05] <ayekat> well, a single-thread "operating system" might work alright without communicating processes
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• 2048[18:06:37] <jelly> nojake: have you ever been kicked off an irc channel?
• 2049[18:06:57] <nojake> yes. i guess you didn't grasp the undertones in the horrorshow. which means you are .. 23.
• 2050[18:07:03] <nojake> on avarage.
• 2051[18:07:09] <nojake> :p
• 2052[18:07:10] <nojake> ok.
• 2053[18:07:11] <jelly> we have #debian-offtopic for non-support chat, nojake
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• 2055[18:07:19] <nojake> ok jelly.
• 2056[18:07:27] <nkuttler> have you ever tried to reduce channel temperature?
• 2057[18:07:28] <jelly> keep this one for tech support issues, please
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• 2059[18:07:48] <JohnA> good write up on setting up a server (mail/webdav/davical)
• 2060[18:07:54] <nojake> sure.
• 2061[18:07:59] <nojake> it always works.
• 2062[18:08:09] <nkuttler> JohnA: was that a question?
• 2063[18:08:12] <nojake> ah offtopic.
• 2064[18:08:22] <JohnA> YES
• 2065[18:09:09] <nojake> ayekat: interesting.
• 2066[18:09:24] <nojake> i will put you on my coolppl list.
• 2067[18:09:36] <greycat> *plonk*
• 2068[18:09:39] <jelly> JohnA: there are many moving parts in a mail server. replaced-url
• 2069[18:09:41] <nojake> wait .. you are not.. youare
• 2070[18:09:44] <nojake> :)
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• 2072[18:10:08] <ayekat> Ô_ò
• 2073[18:10:44] <nojake> no you are a different individuum than grey7cat. ok. cool.
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• 2075[18:11:12] <nojake> the merrier.
• 2076[18:11:58] <JohnA> jelly, didn't mean to shout. i am already running these servers, but I need to do a reality check!
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• 2080[18:13:09] <jelly> JohnA: my condolences
• 2081[18:13:42] <JohnA> jelly, ?
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• 2085[18:14:38] <jelly> > i am already running these [mail] servers
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• 2094[18:16:31] <JohnA> jelly, postfix + dovecot everthing seems to work well, but i set them up about 5 y ago, and have updated as nec, but I wonder if I should start at g zero just to "make sure"
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• 2096[18:17:37] <jelly> just sprinkle with SPF and DMARC and better antispam if you need to
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• 2103[18:24:29] <tharkun> Good $DAY I am getting WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! How can I fix this isue. (gpg keys expiring is my guess)
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• 2105[18:25:09] <jelly> dpkg, tell tharkun about basic apt troubleshooting
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• 2112[18:27:18] <tharkun> jelly: Thanks will read asap, yet another isue is a 404 to some ipv6 address since for some reason the upgradable packages are all on bpo and not on the regular security repository.
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• 2123[18:32:26] <tharkun> jelly: An aplology I was missing jessie/updates fixing now.
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• 2202[19:25:38] <pagetelegram> cgiirc hasn't been in the packages since squeeze. I want to have IRC web client on my server that has configurations, any recommendation what I could use?
• 2203[19:25:56] <milkt> clear
• 2204[19:26:03] <milkt> sorry mistype
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• 2206[19:26:59] <indomitable> what is cgiirc
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• 2208[19:27:16] <pagetelegram> IRC client / server side using cgi. open source
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• 2210[19:27:42] <pagetelegram> Does deb have anyting currently in it's packages, stable release?
• 2211[19:27:46] <greycat> so, like, something that lets legions of trolls attack IRC through your web server?
• 2212[19:28:24] <pagetelegram> huh? I just want to setup at schizoheroes.org for specific community. Using somethign off another server now though their server has over load issue
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• 2215[19:29:52] <pagetelegram> i do not think trolls will target our community.
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• 2230[19:36:04] <Everspace> pagetelegram: I think that's a poor sysadmin stance
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• 2233[19:37:01] <petn-randall> The worst that can happen is trolls abuse it, and it gets blacklisted. That's all.
• 2234[19:37:13] <petn-randall> Not a good implementation, though.
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• 2236[19:37:53] <petn-randall> Since you can run a IRC client in the browser, there's little use in having a web/irc proxy on server-side.
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• 2250[19:40:14] <pagetelegram> Wanted something open source, having our own branding and customize it; limit it to just one community (or several specific to subject) stuff like offserver embeds like kiwi take a while to load.
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• 2253[19:41:17] <pagetelegram> *community meaning channel.
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• 2273[19:50:20] <imkillroy> hello, what should i run to restart my quasselcore on my debian box?
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• 2275[19:50:59] <petn-randall> imkillroy: usually you do that with the 'service' command.
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• 2277[19:51:59] <imkillroy> that would be sudo service quasselcore restart?
• 2278[19:52:11] <petn-randall> imkillroy: `service <daemon name> <restart/start/stop/reload>`
• 2279[19:52:13] <phazon> imkillroy: sudo systemctl restart quasselcore.service
• 2280[19:52:29] <petn-randall> systemctl also works if you're running systemd as PID1.
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• 2282[19:52:41] <imkillroy> thanks fellas
• 2283[19:52:46] <petn-randall> yw
• 2284[19:52:53] <imkillroy> im getting really weird behavior on the rizon network with quassel
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• 2286[19:53:03] <imkillroy> random messages from people/bots sent to me as pm's
• 2287[19:53:16] <imkillroy> even with +g they wont stop, i woke up with at least 30 today
• 2288[19:53:48] <imkillroy> i dont know if they are other people on my vps network or if quassel is buggy
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• 2294[19:56:33] <phazon> could maybe ask in #quassel about such behaviour
• 2295[19:57:59] <phazon> doesnt immediately strike me as a client-side issue however; more likely just bots gone awry
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• 2297[20:00:23] <imkillroy> thats what i thought too but im not super educated on irc, i joined rizon on webirc and after i joined there, every message sent into #rizon got dm'd to this account that was not in there
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• 2305[20:05:11] <phazon> for a channel such as that, some shenanigans are to be expected
• 2306[20:05:46] <phazon> on that network too...
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• 2312[20:10:07] <imkillroy> i dont know much about their reputation or anything
• 2313[20:10:14] <imkillroy> besides the 4chan channels being there
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• 2330[20:17:02] <phazon> "interesting" individuals tend to congregate in the network specific channels. but, this discussion is a bit off-topic for #debian however...
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• 2334[20:20:01] <jelly> imkillroy: modern networks usually have a way to block private messages from unidentified connections
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• 2337[20:20:17] <imkillroy> yeah +R didnt work either
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• 2339[20:20:38] <imkillroy> since restarting quassel i havent gotten one yet - wish me luck
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• 2341[20:20:56] <jelly> you'll have to ask the rizon staff or thier docs about it, it's not a client-specific feature
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• 2344[20:22:11] <jelly> nor does it have to be named +R like on freenode with its "atheme" services software
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• 2348[20:23:40] <jelly> or since it's a client "mode", might be ircd-seven/charybdis irc server software feature
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• 2378[20:42:38] <mutantturkey> greycat: appreciate the help earlier. got it working.
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• 2494[21:58:43] <geri_> hi
• 2495[21:58:56] <geri_> i get this error:
• 2496[21:58:57] <geri_> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libsqlite3-dev : Depends: libsqlite3-0 (= 3.8.7.1-1+deb8u4) but 3.16.2-3~bpo8+1 is to be installed libssl-dev : Depends: libssl1.0.0 (= 1.0.1t-1+deb8u11) but 1.0.2k-1~bpo8+1 is to be installed
• 2497[21:59:01] <geri_> when doing:
• 2498[21:59:11] <geri_> sudo apt-get install -y make build-essential libssl-dev zlib1g-dev libbz2-dev libreadline-dev libsqlite3-dev wget curl llvm libncurses5-dev libncursesw5-dev xz-utils tk-dev libffi-dev liblzma-dev python-openssl git
• 2499[21:59:11] <somiaj> !bat
• 2500[21:59:12] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2501[21:59:46] <greycat> bpo8 is a jessie-backport, and deb8u* is a jessie update...
• 2502[21:59:56] <geri_> hm how to fix it?
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• 2504[22:00:03] <greycat> ,v libsqlite3-dev
• 2505[22:00:04] <judd> Package: libsqlite3-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 3.8.7.1-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.8.7.1-1+deb8u4; stretch: 3.16.2-5+deb9u1; sid: 3.26.0+fossilbc891ac6b-2; stretch-backports: 3.27.2-2~bpo9+1; buster: 3.27.2-2
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• 2508[22:00:51] <somiaj> Might be some conflict between jessie and jessie-backports package. The output asked by the bot can help you track down the actual conflict and manually nudge things to install.
• 2509[22:00:55] <greycat> Just a wild guess: this is a jessie box, and you have used jessie-backports on it, and now those have moved, but you have not updated your sources.list to point to the new location for the jessie-backports?
• 2510[22:01:33] <somiaj> My guess was due to the pinning apt is trying to install packages from jessie, but due to previous packages installed, you actually need the jessie-backports version.
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• 2512[22:01:44] <somiaj> (to meet the depends that are on the system)
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• 2514[22:02:17] <greycat> Right, which means s/he needs a sources.list which points to the jessie-backports on archive.d.o or wherever they wandered off to.
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• 2517[22:02:49] <somiaj> the fix will be go install the jessie-backports version of the packages needed to match what is on the system.
• 2518[22:03:11] <somiaj> I don't think it is due to the sources.list, but I could have missed something.
• 2519[22:03:27] <geri_> so what should i try to run?
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• 2521[22:04:02] <greycat> You should follow the bot's instructions and show us how your system is set up.
• 2522[22:04:14] <somiaj> geri_: a lot depends on what software you want, but you could add a -t jessie-backports to your install line to ensure the packages libsqlite3-dev is installed from jessie-backports and not jessie.
• 2523[22:05:11] <geri_> like that? sudo apt-get install -y make build-essential libssl-dev zlib1g-dev libbz2-dev libreadline-dev libsqlite3-dev wget curl llvm libncurses5-dev libncursesw5-dev xz-utils tk-dev libffi-dev liblzma-dev python-openssl git -t jessie-backports
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• 2527[22:08:40] <somiaj> You need to add that to the front of th ecommand apt-get -t jessie-backports -y install foo, also be careful. You may not want ot install all of those packages from jessie-backports. Only install the ones that you need from jessie-backports to match the libs you have on your system (hence why you want to look at the output of apt policy)
• 2528[22:09:17] <geri_> getting: E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
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• 2530[22:09:34] <geri_> oh
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• 2532[22:09:57] <greycat> Once again, from the top.
• 2533[22:09:58] <greycat> !bat
• 2534[22:09:58] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 2620[22:58:33] <jhutchins_wk> ,v nagios-server
• 2621[22:58:34] <judd> No package named 'nagios-server' was found in amd64.
• 2622[22:58:38] <jhutchins_wk> ,v nagios
• 2623[22:58:39] <judd> No package named 'nagios' was found in amd64.
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• 2661[23:26:23] <iamhya> Hi
• 2662[23:26:28] <zleap> hi
• 2663[23:26:55] <iamhya> Can I using Radeon 9250 GPU on my computer for Debian? Thanks
• 2664[23:27:03] <zleap> erm
• 2665[23:28:08] <zleap> replaced-url
• 2666[23:28:17] <zleap> that may help
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• 2670[23:32:08] <iamhya> thank you @zleap your turn on lights for hope :)
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• 2676[23:34:54] <zleap> iamhya: np
• 2677[23:34:57] <zleap> no problem
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• 2682[23:38:25] <iamhya> Just another question, old driver for GPU will be works for latest Debian? or I should old Debian only?
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• 2697[23:46:01] <CarlFK> how do I file a bug against replaced-url
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• 2704[23:50:54] <jmcnaught> CarlFK: replaced-url
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• 2706[23:52:38] <CarlFK> jmcnaught: thanks
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