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• 60[00:36:07] <vvor> Setting a VM host desktop, with two HDD. Disregarding HDD failure & assuming the HDD are *On separate controllers*, is it better to have one disk with / (root OS partition) & sec. disk with /VMs (home partition), or just Raid0 the two HDDs?
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• 66[00:39:10] <epony> separatee
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• 68[00:40:12] <epony> ideally a hw disk per vm
• 69[00:40:25] <ikarosuu1i> why is my /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/apt/history.log empty?
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• 73[00:43:36] <jmcnaught> ikarosuu1i: the log was probably rotated, is there anything in dpkg.log.1?
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• 75[00:44:31] <ikarosuu1i> yia boii that was it
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• 77[00:45:21] <ikarosuu1i> that solved everything, even found the information i was looking for
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• 80[00:46:05] <vvor> epony: Thanks, any references/elaborate logic...
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• 87[00:48:20] <epony> That's the hard part.. kernel developers maybe better suited for this. Try both and measure if you don't trust the logic.
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• 89[00:49:32] <epony> It's always better to use independent drives for concurrent operation, the softraid will not give you much gain when you try to write to both system and vm areas concurrently.
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• 91[00:50:32] <epony> Given the kernel drivers are not competing for allocation in the scheduler..
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• 195[02:07:15] <teclo-> night, I was writing files to an external usb key formatted as ext4, and after around 50m of writing files, it stopped writing saying "Read only filesystem"
• 196[02:07:25] <teclo-> but I did mount the ext4 filesystem as rw
• 197[02:07:33] <teclo-> perhaps am I doing something wrong ?
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• 209[02:11:32] <EdePopede> teclo-: could it be a hardware problem? happens to me sometimes with a hd on a usb adapter. any logs about resetting usb device when this happened?
• 210[02:11:55] <BCMM> teclo-: anything interesting in dmesg?
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• 212[02:12:06] <BCMM> i think under some circumstances it can remount as ro after errors
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• 220[02:16:13] <teclo-> BCMM: ah indeed, gonna look into dmesg
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• 505[04:56:43] <Logg> thank you debian
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• 528[05:17:48] <VrLord> hi
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• 548[05:41:38] <ryouma> when booting, if i don't have a drive connected, it says "a start drive is starting for [1/4]" or similar. and it takes a long time. what can i set to make it not do that?
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• 552[05:46:10] <VrLord> that message is when you cold boot?
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• 557[05:55:19] <ryouma> reboot
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• 582[06:26:43] <pronoun> http.debian.net. 3600 IN CNAME static.debian.org. points to round robin
• 583[06:26:48] <pronoun> and they are using an invalid ssl cert
• 584[06:26:52] <pronoun> the CN does not match
• 585[06:27:07] <pronoun> you need SNI or a wildcard / subject alternative name
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• 589[06:29:00] <pronoun> ugh where is bug tracker lol
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• 615[06:53:20] <kimchiFlavor> is anyone having issues with proxychains and apt-get/apt?
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• 634[07:03:05] <jadax> hey, I have Iris Graphics 6100 GPU and I'm trying to push higher (2560x1600) resolution over the mini-HDMI port. I'm on debian 9.2. Do you know any debian tutorials for that?
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• 655[07:30:41] <agris> How do I install Gnome2 in Debian Stable?
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• 660[07:34:03] <jelly> jadax, which cpu model is that?
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• 667[07:38:13] <jelly> jadax, because it's possible hdmi output can't do as much bandwidth as displayport
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• 670[07:40:06] <towo^work> agris, apt install mate-desktop
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• 672[07:40:54] <agris> towo^work, Is mate gtk+2 or gtk+3 ?
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• 678[07:44:39] <towo^work> agris, recent versions are propably gtk3, in stable maybe gtk2
• 679[07:44:46] <towo^work> agris, there is no gnome2 anymore
• 680[07:45:01] <agris> Can I still compile it myself?
• 681[07:45:14] <edisto> anyone happen to know how you create a new user in mx linux?
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• 683[07:45:34] <agris> also, do you know if MATE is going to force gtk+3, or have it optional?
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• 687[07:46:02] <towo^work> agris, you have internet and can use a searchengine?
• 688[07:46:23] <edisto> oh nevermind ni found it... wow i could have sworn i been looking for user by typing user for an hour
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• 691[07:46:53] <towo^work> edisto, mx linux is not a topic of that chan
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• 694[07:49:53] <edisto> towo^work:yeah I was hoping it would be similar because it's debian based. But it was MX user manager... dunno it wasn't popping up when I typed user in menu
• 695[07:50:09] <Agiofws> hello
• 696[07:50:21] <Agiofws> anyone here using nautilus?
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• 698[07:50:32] <towo^work> !anyone
• 699[07:50:32] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 700[07:51:56] <Agiofws> is it possible to add a date suffix when i create or name a folder or file in nautilus?
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• 704[07:53:40] <agris> well
• 705[07:54:01] <agris> Is there a QT based desktop that's like gnome2?
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• 707[07:54:36] <agris> that closet thing i've found is LXQT, but it's severely lacking in functionality compared to gnome2 and XFCE 4.12
• 708[07:56:48] <ledeni> Agiofws: yes preference ---View - icon-view-caption --first--Modified
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• 711[08:00:02] <Agiofws> ledeni, preferences in nautilus?
• 712[08:00:23] <ledeni> Agiofws: yes
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• 716[08:01:02] <Agiofws> and where is the prefs menu in nautilus?
• 717[08:01:16] <jadax> jelly CPU is Intel Core i7-5557U
• 718[08:01:56] <jadax> it has mini HDMI 1.4a connector, in theory it's capable of doing 2560x1600@60Hz
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• 720[08:02:10] <Agiofws> ?
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• 722[08:03:34] <ledeni> Agiofws: sorry no option
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• 727[08:05:19] <Agiofws> so how do i get to nautilus prefs?
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• 731[08:09:53] <ledeni> Agiofws: check Files with right mouse button
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• 741[08:19:36] <ledeni> Agiofws: one you open nautilus on top panel you can see "Files" click with right mouse button on it
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• 865[10:00:51] <__m4ch1n3__> i was thinking about doing buster to sid upgrade, then i looked up wich toy stroy character sid is. Now I'm not sure if i should :/
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• 867[10:00:57] <nullbyte_> how can i fix this
• 868[10:01:02] <nullbyte_> audit: type=1400 audit(1554278266.917:39): apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_replace" info="same as current profile, skipping" profile="unconfined" name="snap-update-ns.gnome-calculator" pid=2427 comm="apparmor_parser"
• 869[10:01:18] <nullbyte_> snap.gnome-characters.gnome-characters
• 870[10:01:20] <jadax> ok, I got dell u3011 working over HDMI on Iris 6100
• 871[10:01:28] <jadax> the drill was to set frequency to 50Hz instead of 60Hz
• 872[10:01:31] <nullbyte_> snap-update-ns.gnome-system-monitor
• 873[10:01:41] <nullbyte_> etc. etc. this is only on boot
• 874[10:01:46] <nullbyte_> kernel boot
• 875[10:01:48] <jadax> so xrandr 2560x1600 on 50Hz works over HDMI
• 876[10:02:03] <nullbyte_> it gives failed to mount
• 877[10:02:09] <nullbyte_> calculator, etc. etc
• 878[10:02:22] <nullbyte_> it's something with snap
• 879[10:02:24] <nullbyte_> i think
• 880[10:02:59] <__m4ch1n3__> why would one use snap to install a calculator?
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• 883[10:03:46] <celyr> Hi, not quite sure this is the right channel
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• 886[10:04:29] <__m4ch1n3__> right channel for?
• 887[10:05:10] <celyr> What does happen if I express more than one -exec to find ? Are they execute in parallel ? if one of the two is a rm and the other is let's say a cp, am I safe from race conditions ?
• 888[10:05:24] <celyr> or better, am I sure that the second command get executed when the first is over ?
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• 891[10:05:41] <celyr> or should I use something like first command && second one inside of exec ? Maybe it's easier
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• 894[10:06:59] <__m4ch1n3__> hmm never did that, maybe you need a subshell for that { command1 ; command2 ; }
• 895[10:07:49] <celyr> I've red replaced-url
• 896[10:08:01] <celyr> but I don't see this behaviour reported in find manual
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• 898[10:08:14] <celyr> so maybe is just undocumented and implementation dependant
• 899[10:08:20] <__m4ch1n3__> && is logical and
• 900[10:08:36] <__m4ch1n3__> command1 && command2
• 901[10:08:57] <__m4ch1n3__> command2 will execute only if command1 exits with exitcode 0
• 902[10:09:33] <__m4ch1n3__> in a subshell you would { command1 && command2 ; }
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• 904[10:11:08] <__m4ch1n3__> where does the guy state that? cant find it
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• 906[10:11:58] <__m4ch1n3__> ah
• 907[10:12:40] <__m4ch1n3__> seems to be that `\( -exec echo {} \; -o -exec true \; \) -exec grep banana`
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• 910[10:15:40] <celyr> yeah
• 911[10:15:48] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
• 912[10:17:12] <celyr> wait
• 913[10:17:16] <celyr> I can do a test
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• 918[10:20:06] <__m4ch1n3__> -exec command1 \; -o -exec command2
• 919[10:20:14] <__m4ch1n3__> try that
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• 923[10:22:02] <__m4ch1n3__> no wait
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• 925[10:22:15] <__m4ch1n3__> -o is OR
• 926[10:22:45] <__m4ch1n3__> its the oposite, do command1 if command1 fails
• 927[10:22:56] <__m4ch1n3__> *command2 if command1 fails
• 928[10:22:58] <__m4ch1n3__> :3
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• 943[10:31:21] <__m4ch1n3__> hmm you could also try
• 944[10:31:23] <__m4ch1n3__> find . -exec bash -c 'command1 "{}" && command2' \;
• 945[10:32:09] <__m4ch1n3__> find . -exec bash -c 'command1 "{}" && command2 "{}"' \;
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• 947[10:32:19] <celyr> find . -exec false \; -exec echo "it happen" \;
• 948[10:32:27] <celyr> never prints
• 949[10:32:32] <celyr> find . -exec true \; -exec echo "it happen" \;
• 950[10:32:34] <celyr> always print
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• 952[10:32:52] <celyr> so it's not documented but it works
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• 955[10:35:30] <__m4ch1n3__> hm so it does it AND's execute by default if you chain multiple?
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• 958[10:36:16] <__m4ch1n3__> s/does it//
• 959[10:36:30] <snipe> morning
• 960[10:36:37] <snipe> r/morning
• 961[10:36:38] <snipe> :P
• 962[10:36:48] <snipe> r/how is everyone ?:P
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• 997[10:56:21] <jelly> __m4ch1n3__: it "ands" everything.
• 998[10:56:44] <jelly> -exec is not different from, say, -name in that regard
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• 1008[11:05:08] <Shahnaz-> anybody knows what this options mean in modpoebe file?
• 1009[11:05:08] <Shahnaz-> replaced-url
• 1010[11:05:20] <Shahnaz-> looks kinda broken too to me :)
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• 1014[11:06:49] <petn-randall> Shahnaz-: `man modprobe.d` will explain it.
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• 1018[11:08:11] <jelly> Shahnaz-: that looks weird indeed
• 1019[11:08:15] <petn-randall> Shahnaz-: If you don't have modules called 111.33.114 and 111.1.206, it's probably broken, yes :)
• 1020[11:08:44] <Shahnaz-> yeah thought so ... weird stuff
• 1021[11:08:57] <jelly> as if someone passed the installer IP addresses where modules and options might have been needed
• 1022[11:09:07] <__m4ch1n3__> file doesnt end with .conf
• 1023[11:09:24] <Shahnaz-> yeah .. really odl debian :)
• 1024[11:09:25] <__m4ch1n3__> guess that has no effect or?
• 1025[11:09:40] <Shahnaz-> old versions allowed files without .conf
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• 1032[11:12:41] <Shahnaz-> but passing wrong params to installer seems like the most likly idea
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• 1100[11:49:10] <leszek> hi
• 1101[11:50:08] <leszek> who do I need to poke if I want to fundamentaly disagree with the decision to remove synaptic from buster repo just because it does not work on gnome-wayland?
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• 1111[11:54:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1554
• 1112[11:54:27] <dob1> hi, why I can't reach replaced-url
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• 1118[11:58:31] <dob1> I think it's time to upgrade :)
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• 1123[12:00:53] <__m4ch1n3__> leszek, guess somebody on #debian-next channel on OFTC irc network
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• 1127[12:03:31] <mutante> dob1: jessie-updates has been removed. it's too old
• 1128[12:04:12] <mutante> given the recent questions about it .. the plan to make people upgrade works :p
• 1129[12:04:30] <__m4ch1n3__> dob1, replaced-url
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• 1134[12:07:01] <dob1> ok thanks
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• 1137[12:08:21] <dob1> the usermod -u and groupmod -g to change uid/gid are just commands that edit /etc/passwd ?
• 1138[12:08:34] <dob1> or they do more than this?
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• 1171[12:35:21] <dau_> can s/o please help me running fsck on parts of the root partition wich is seperated with lvm in Debian 9?
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• 1194[12:50:13] <leszek> so what is the procedure I cannot join #debian-next on irc.debian.org it wants me to register but I am registered and verified. Do I need an invitation to join?
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• 1200[12:53:20] <mutante> leszek: cant confirm, just tested and could join without invite. maybe the non-working ident? really identified with nickserv?
• 1201[12:53:49] <dob1> I can't join it too
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• 1203[12:54:16] <mutante> 06:54 -!- Inviting leszek to #debian-next
• 1204[12:54:26] <themill> leszek: -NickServ- VERIFIED: NO
• 1205[12:54:39] <leszek> themill: how do I verify?
• 1206[12:54:43] <dob1> Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only).
• 1207[12:54:52] <themill> dpkg: tell dob1 about #debian-next
• 1208[12:54:53] <leszek> mutante: same error still with your invite
• 1209[12:55:09] <mutante> leszek: /msg nickserv identify <password>
• 1210[12:55:10] <dob1> oh ok, sorry
• 1211[12:55:24] <leszek> mutante: thats what I did already
• 1212[12:55:28] <themill> leszek: replaced-url
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• 1216[13:01:14] <themill> leszek: in answer to your question about synaptic, there's every chance it will come back, as long as it can come up with a slightly less useless error message at least
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• 1220[13:02:27] <leszek> themill: ah ok thx. Now I verified stuff (perhaps this can be added to NickServ help for new users)
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• 1224[13:02:56] * themill has no ability to do that
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• 1226[13:03:40] <themill> actually, it *is* in the nickserv help. /ns help register
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• 1229[13:05:15] <leszek> themill: ah but not the global help. Thats why I got confused
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• 1233[13:08:54] <avengerist> Hi, guys, i have debian testing buster, kernel - 4.19.0-4-amd64. My laptop is MSI GL73 (1050TI,ddr4 - 8gb,intel core i7-8750H) and it is too slowly loading my session. Why is it too slow? Could you have me? replaced-url
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• 1235[13:09:18] <petn-randall> !debian-next
• 1236[13:09:18] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1239[13:10:17] <petn-randall> avengerist: You can find buster support in the channel above. ^^^
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• 1290[13:48:07] <Zppix> Remind me whats the syntax for crontab entries?
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• 1292[13:49:57] <petn-randall> Zppix: `man 5 crontab` will remind you. :)
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• 1294[13:51:51] <Zppix> petn-randall: ah ty
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• 1377[14:40:47] <kreyren> what is the correct way to install atom (replaced-url
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• 1381[14:41:22] <kreyren> since provided .dep is missing deps and i'm lazy to resolve them
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• 1383[14:41:45] <greycat> !apt install
• 1384[14:41:45] <dpkg> You can specify a pathname to a manually downloaded .deb file in apt install, but it must begin with / or ./ or ../ or else apt thinks it's a package name. E.g. "apt install ./foo-1.2.deb". This supersedes <gdebi>.
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• 1386[14:42:00] <kreyren> not present in buster repo afaik
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• 1388[14:42:17] <kreyren> replaced-url
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• 1392[14:42:40] <greycat> that is NOT the output of apt install ./atomwhatever.deb
• 1393[14:43:27] <kreyren> ah didn't know that i can use `apt` on .deb files this way, ty
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• 1399[14:54:52] <tifflor> Hi, I'm trying to upgrade lxc container from ETCH to STRETCH, any idea how I can do that the best way? CD/DVD does not work, cause the container doesn't support that. Is there a way I can create apt repos which are trusted enough to do the onetime distro upgrade?
• 1400[14:54:59] <tifflor> for each version?
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• 1404[14:55:41] <greycat> That's a *lot* of upgrades. It might be easier to reinstall cleanly.
• 1405[14:56:27] <greycat> In terms of repositories, all of them up to and including wheezy are on archive.debian.org.
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• 1413[15:01:58] <jelly> tifflor: you cannot skip releases, so if you want to do an in-place upgrade that would be five separate release upgrade steps, from Debian 4 to Debian 5, then from Debian 5 to Debian 6... up to 9
• 1414[15:03:02] <jelly> if I had an etch installation I'd force all users to migrate their shi^H^H^Happs and data to a new system
• 1415[15:03:13] <jelly> ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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• 1417[15:03:23] <jelly> you did not see that.
• 1418[15:03:30] <greycat> see what?
• 1419[15:03:37] <jelly> /clear
• 1420[15:04:08] <tifflor> jelly: I know I have to do it one by one, still it's a mailserver and I have to upgrade it
• 1421[15:04:32] <tifflor> if I do a whole new installation the effort is much bigger to migrate and get it propperly working again :-(
• 1422[15:04:52] <themill> you'll likely have a lot of work to get stuff working again in any case
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• 1424[15:05:23] <themill> you may need to faff about getting daemons to work for each separate release as you go
• 1425[15:05:28] <tifflor> themill: I know, still I think the upgrade is the better choic
• 1426[15:05:31] <tifflor> +e
• 1427[15:05:32] <petn-randall> tifflor: Personally, I'd set up a fresh stretch container, configure it until it works, then migrate the data and switch it live.
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• 1430[15:05:53] <petn-randall> tifflor: in-place upgrades usually cause downtime, you'll also need a lot more fixing for every upgrade step.
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• 1433[15:06:30] <jelly> my rough estimate from doing dozens-hundreds of release upgrades, from slink and potato onwards, is, if you have more than 1-2 release steps, it's easier and shorter to migrate to a fresh setup
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• 1435[15:06:50] <petn-randall> +1
• 1436[15:06:56] <BotaniCar> +1
• 1437[15:07:03] <greycat> +1-2
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• 1439[15:07:32] <jelly> and people that knew those things, have already forgotten what kinds of specific breakage there was going from, say, lenny to squeeze
• 1440[15:07:46] <tifflor> petn-randall: the idea is to do the upgrade on a container copy and worst case move a few mails afterwards
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• 1442[15:08:28] * jelly remembers hating udev, hating enforced initrd, hating initramfs and some other stuff. Hating systemd does not come _close_ to that older stuff.
• 1443[15:09:14] <jelly> tifflor: so make replaced-url
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• 1446[15:09:44] <tifflor> jelly: I tried that but apt tells me that those repos are no longer trustworthy
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• 1451[15:10:30] <greycat> that's why you do the thing the wiki says to do to tell apt "forget about the key"
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• 1453[15:10:44] <greycat> replaced-url
• 1454[15:11:09] <Lope> Apparently SolidXK is the most popular rolling release debian distro. Any opinions on it? or anyone tried any rolling release debian distro as something you use in production, including debian testing? I'm toying with the idea of avoiding the need to upgrade.
• 1455[15:11:17] <jelly> tifflor: your clock, put it back.
• 1456[15:11:28] <jelly> !solydxk
• 1457[15:11:28] <dpkg> SolydX and SolydK are GNU/Linux distributions <based on debian>. They are not supported in #debian, use #solydxk on irc.freenode.net instead. replaced-url
• 1458[15:12:00] <tifflor> jelly: and that's it
• 1459[15:12:05] <tifflor> sure I'll try that then
• 1460[15:12:06] <tifflor> thx
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• 1463[15:12:39] <jelly> tifflor: that's a simple and silly way to make gpg happy
• 1464[15:13:29] <tifflor> jelly: so true
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• 1466[15:13:53] <jelly> there's a LD_PRELOAD wrapper if you don't want to mess with system time
• 1467[15:14:13] <jelly> ,i libfaketime
• 1468[15:14:14] <judd> Package libfaketime (utils, extra) in stretch/amd64: report faked system time to programs. Version: 0.9.6-7+b1; Size: 24.7k; Installed: 89k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1469[15:14:40] <jelly> whether it works across entering a lxc container is anyone's guess
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• 1474[15:16:37] <jelly> restarting or running a mail server or syslog inside faketime MAY have interesting effects on logs and filtering (esp. antispam)
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• 1476[15:16:50] <klys> notes on uvcvideo: upon recompiling linux with acpi enabled, the chicony webcam reappeared in lsusb, and uvcvideo worked. ergo, when compiling custom kernels for use with fujitsu lifebook t901, enable acpi's video.ko for webcam support. even though it looks unrelated.
• 1477[15:17:30] <jelly> klys: does debian's kernel not have it?
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• 1479[15:17:53] <telmich> good day
• 1480[15:18:00] <klys> jelly, febian kernels have ACPI=y yes.
• 1481[15:18:08] <klys> debian*
• 1482[15:18:09] <telmich> what is the status of backports for jessie? It seems the repo vanished on some servers
• 1483[15:18:20] <jelly> !jessie-backports
• 1484[15:18:20] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See replaced-url
• 1485[15:18:27] <jelly> oh that's old
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• 1487[15:18:45] <jelly> telmich: moved to archive.debian.org and won't be updated any more
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• 1489[15:19:08] <telmich> jelly: thanks. so if we need newer packages for debian 8, the answer basically is upgrading to debian 9?
• 1490[15:19:09] <jelly> it should have vanished on all the mirrors that keep themselves up-to-date
• 1491[15:19:25] <telmich> (in our case it's certbot that we are looking for)
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• 1493[15:19:57] <jelly> telmich: debian 8 is in LTS now, you have had limited security support for a while
• 1494[15:20:16] <telmich> jelly: np, just clarifying what's the best step for us
• 1495[15:20:18] <mmaddin> jelly: not just "won't be updated any more" but "doesn't work anymore, even if you point your sources.list to archive.debian.org, because the release file expired" - or am I mistaken?
• 1496[15:20:33] <jelly> mmaddin: it can be made to work
• 1497[15:20:37] <jelly> !valid-until
• 1498[15:20:37] <dpkg> [valid-until] apt-get/aptitude -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false ...
• 1499[15:20:59] <mmaddin> ok, thanks ... probably not worth the trouble
• 1500[15:21:08] <jelly> if you need it you need it
• 1501[15:21:37] * jelly uses dehydrated instead of certbot, less dependencies
• 1502[15:21:45] <jelly> it's a bash script.
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• 1520[15:33:17] <karlpinc> jelly: dehydrated looks cool. Am I correct that it authorizes using the http protocol but does not require a running webserver?
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• 1522[15:33:55] <greycat> dehydrated is a Let's Encrypt thing, an alternative to certbot. It lets you use https.
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• 1524[15:34:15] <greycat> Your question confuses me.
• 1525[15:34:45] <karlpinc> greycat: I was wondering whether it required a http server as a dependency. Looking at the "well known" docs, it seems it does. :-(
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• 1527[15:35:32] <greycat> It talks to LE and they say "put string X at url Y" and then it creates a file in your web server's document directory and so on.
• 1528[15:35:59] <karlpinc> greycat: Right, but it does not serve up that document directory.
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• 1530[15:36:32] <greycat> Your questions are still confusing me. Why would you try to use dehydrated if you don't have a web server?
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• 1532[15:36:58] <themill> certs can be used for things other than https and on machines that aren't accessible to LE
• 1533[15:36:59] <karlpinc> greycat: Certificates have multiple uses. Sometimes I want one for something that's not a webserver.
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• 1536[15:37:41] <karlpinc> The good news is that dehydrated looks like something I can send a patch in to and have the feature added.
• 1537[15:38:13] <karlpinc> themill: "LE"?
• 1538[15:38:26] <karlpinc> Oh. letsencrypt.
• 1539[15:38:55] <greycat> I've just been assuming that I cannot use LE on any internal machines.
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• 1543[15:40:50] <karlpinc> You'd have to work through a box that LE has access to, in order to validate. But from there you can schlep the cert around, or do network foolery to expose the internal box, etc.
• 1544[15:41:09] <greycat> "every two months"
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• 1546[15:41:42] <karlpinc> greycat: It'd have to be automated. I'd probably want a hook built into dehydrated (if there's not one).
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• 1553[15:43:20] <karlpinc> Simple enough to kick off a ssh, using a key that was restricted on the remote end with authorized_hosts with a "command=" restriction to do nothing but untar stdin and put keys in the right place.
• 1554[15:43:46] <sleepingforest> whats the proper way to be able to install packages from testing and stable? There are a few packages that i want from testing that are newer. How are dependencies handled ?
• 1555[15:44:01] <greycat> You upgrade to testing or unstable. Or you use backports. Or you compile upstream.
• 1556[15:44:02] <karlpinc> !ssb
• 1557[15:44:02] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 1558[15:44:35] <sleepingforest> thanks
• 1559[15:45:27] <karlpinc> sleepingforest: The judd irc bot helps find build dependencies. (But my brain is leaky and I can't recall the command.)
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• 1561[15:46:10] <greycat> Too bad he hasn't told us which package he wants.
• 1562[15:46:26] <sleepingforest> greycat: its rofi
• 1563[15:46:36] <greycat> ,checkbackport rofi
• 1564[15:46:37] <judd> Backporting package rofi in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
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• 1567[15:47:07] <sleepingforest> very cool
• 1568[15:47:24] <greycat> So, in theory, the "simple sid backport" (ssb) instructions might work.
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• 1581[15:55:50] <jelly> karlpinc: you absolutely need a web server to do http-01
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• 1584[15:57:50] <jelly> karlpinc: nothing stops you from bringing it up temporarily and allowing access only from LE's infra IP ranges
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• 1587[15:58:06] <greycat> I can think of several things that could stop that. In theory.
• 1588[15:58:51] <jelly> and practice
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• 1591[15:59:51] <karlpinc> jelly: I figured dehydrated might have a simple webserver built-in, via nc or socat or something.
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• 1594[16:00:12] <greycat> *shudder*
• 1595[16:00:27] <karlpinc> What could go wrong? :)
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• 1598[16:01:55] <jelly> karlpinc: nope, it has almost nothing built in
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• 1601[16:02:08] <jelly> it has hooks!
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• 1603[16:02:18] <jelly> very captainy
• 1604[16:02:45] <jelly> but the package from stretch or stretch-backports works on debian 6-9
• 1605[16:02:46] <karlpinc> jelly: Darn. I was hoping to layer complexity on it until it fell over.
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• 1614[16:10:43] <DammitJim> is there such a thing as a Debian server pair to create a clustered file server?
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• 1617[16:11:20] <DammitJim> The idea is to have redundancy on the file server side
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• 1619[16:11:32] <DammitJim> say we need to patch the servers, 1 can go down while the other keeps servicing clients
• 1620[16:11:46] <EdePopede> what was the tool to list the files from a package?
• 1621[16:11:46] <DammitJim> I looked at DRBD... any other options?
• 1622[16:11:56] <greycat> EdePopede: dpkg -L pkgname, if it's already installed
• 1623[16:12:40] <DammitJim> EdePopede, dpkg-query -L <package>
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• 1626[16:13:02] <DammitJim> if your package is not installed, I've used apt-file list <package>
• 1627[16:13:09] <EdePopede> ah right. and it was me, i should have omitted the 'd' at the end
• 1628[16:13:10] <Tenkawa> cant afs do clustering?
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• 1630[16:14:22] <Tenkawa> openafs might be one thought
• 1631[16:14:29] <Tenkawa> if its avail
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• 1634[16:14:57] <DammitJim> thanks Tenkawa looking at it.. I think I also looked at glusterfs
• 1635[16:15:22] <Tenkawa> glusterfs is nice too
• 1636[16:15:28] <Tenkawa> i used it in the past
• 1637[16:15:39] <Tenkawa> somewhere I worked
• 1638[16:15:48] <DammitJim> I need something like 3 servers minimum for that, right?
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• 1641[16:16:33] <Tenkawa> if I remember correctly yes however I was just the dba there so I dont know how they had the hardware setup
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• 1650[16:19:51] <BlackGurw> Hello guys
• 1651[16:20:03] <TurqFlame> Hi
• 1652[16:20:04] <BlackGurw> how are au ?
• 1653[16:20:10] <TurqFlame> Good. How bout U?
• 1654[16:20:15] <BlackGurw> nice nice
• 1655[16:20:17] <BlackGurw> some beer
• 1656[16:20:19] <TurqFlame> :)
• 1657[16:20:20] <BlackGurw> and kali :SD
• 1658[16:20:21] <BlackGurw> :D
• 1659[16:20:28] <BlackGurw> need help with wifipisher
• 1660[16:20:30] <BlackGurw> any on ?
• 1661[16:20:52] <annadane> !ask
• 1662[16:20:52] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1663[16:20:53] <BlackGurw> swordfish :D
• 1664[16:21:02] <annadane> however, this is for debian, not kali
• 1665[16:21:16] <BlackGurw> any kali chanel to move ?
• 1666[16:21:19] <annadane> !kali
• 1667[16:21:20] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 1669[16:22:00] <BlackGurw> Debian is goot for a server ?
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• 1671[16:22:18] <annadane> it is, yes, many people use it for that
• 1672[16:23:35] <BlackGurw> with apache no ?
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• 1674[16:23:53] <greycat> Many people use apache, yes.
• 1675[16:23:58] <greycat> Many others do not.
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• 1680[16:25:07] <BlackGurw> any kali irc chat that i can use ?
• 1681[16:25:10] <BlackGurw> do u now ?
• 1682[16:25:22] <annadane> i linked the !kali factoid above
• 1683[16:25:22] <Tenkawa> they just told you
• 1684[16:25:25] <annadane> #kali-linux
• 1685[16:25:36] <BlackGurw> tnx , sorry , i havent see
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• 1687[16:25:47] <Tenkawa> np
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• 1689[16:26:03] <jelly> note that #kali-linux does not provide help with particular tools, just with distro itself
• 1690[16:28:29] <BlackGurw> tnx , i need some friend s :))
• 1691[16:28:37] <jelly> and they point users to whatever they consider "upstream" if they think an issue is created upstream and not specific to kali itself. That sometimes means they point users back to #debian because most of their packages come from Debian.
• 1692[16:28:55] <jelly> so their channel policy is incompatible with ours.
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• 1706[16:38:00] <DammitJim> anybody else have any suggestions on file server redundancy?
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• 1709[16:40:32] <jelly> DammitJim: HA? Active/Passive? Active/Active? Replicated?
• 1710[16:40:51] <jelly> Distributed?
• 1711[16:41:29] <greycat> 10:11 DammitJim> say we need to patch the servers, 1 can go down while the other keeps servicing clients
• 1712[16:41:31] <siouxscout> weekly backups to floppy
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• 1716[16:42:44] <greycat> Paper hardcopy deliverable by avian carrier on request.
• 1717[16:42:59] <DammitJim> you guys are awesome... good questions... need to work on my delivery of questions
• 1718[16:43:01] <jelly> coworker is testing glusterfs as we speak. Killing one server caused the client to stop seeing updates to files for 80 seconds.
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• 1720[16:43:20] <DammitJim> woot woot jelly? please don't say that!
• 1721[16:43:39] <DammitJim> HA would be good
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• 1725[16:44:42] <DammitJim> I don't know how it is with you guys, but man, I would love for these file server to run services and just access the file system locally so I don't have to worry about another layer of complexity about file sharing
• 1726[16:44:47] <DammitJim> I'm still dealing with issues with Samba
• 1727[16:44:48] <DammitJim> *sigh*
• 1728[16:45:10] * jelly wonders if veritas vxfs still exists
• 1729[16:45:30] <DammitJim> who is the actor that was made fun of for saying veritas?
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• 1731[16:46:38] <jelly> but that one required shared storage
• 1732[16:46:59] <jelly> which basically means moving the SPOF from one place to another
• 1733[16:48:29] <DammitJim> interesting to see a lot of people just seem to use rsync for things like these
• 1734[16:48:45] <DammitJim> but I guess in a different environment with different requirements....
• 1735[16:49:08] <greycat> continual data replication followed by a manual switch-over in the event of a rare failure is not a terrible strategy
• 1736[16:49:11] <jelly> doing two ways rsync may be enough for your needs or not
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• 1738[16:49:52] <jelly> it helps if the app knows to look in both places
• 1739[16:50:06] <DammitJim> right! that's the other layer where the client could help
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• 1837[17:42:58] <sleepingforest> ,checkbackport weechat
• 1838[17:42:59] <judd> Backporting package weechat in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 12).
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• 1841[17:43:54] <sleepingforest> so i guess if theres unsatisfiable build deps i cant backport it?
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• 1844[17:44:38] <greycat> It means that a backport following the ssb instructions will fail. A backport *could* be possible but it would require a whole lot of work, and probably rewriting some of the debian/* contents.
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• 1847[17:45:21] <jelly> it means you'd have to fix the functionality to work with an older version of stuff, or backport the build dependency itself.
• 1848[17:45:32] <jelly> build deps, all the way down
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• 1851[17:46:06] <greycat> that's the point where I just give up and compile upstream sources manually instead (it's MUCH easier), or live without
• 1852[17:46:20] <jelly> going from dh 12 back to dh 11 is _probably_ not too much work
• 1853[17:46:32] <jelly> ,v debhelper
• 1854[17:46:33] <judd> Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12~bpo9+1; sid: 12; buster: 12.1.1
• 1855[17:46:34] <sleepingforest> greycat: like compile weechat or what upstream source?
• 1856[17:46:41] <jelly> ah.
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• 1858[17:46:50] <greycat> Upstream means "from weechat.org or whatever".
• 1859[17:46:51] <jelly> 12~bpo9+1 is << 12
• 1860[17:47:09] <annadane> FYI weechat is already in stretch-backports
• 1861[17:47:17] <jelly> ,v weechat
• 1862[17:47:18] <greycat> oh, he failed step 1?
• 1863[17:47:19] <judd> Package: weechat on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.1-1+deb8u2; stretch: 1.6-1+deb9u2; sid: 1.9-1; stretch-backports: 2.3-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.3-1; sid: 2.3-1
• 1864[17:47:23] <jelly> yes
• 1865[17:47:32] <jelly> affix the bow of shame!
• 1866[17:47:36] <sleepingforest> :(
• 1867[17:47:49] <sleepingforest> i think it set up the backports repo incorrectly then
• 1868[17:47:58] <greycat> there is no "it". there is "you".
• 1869[17:48:06] <sleepingforest> s/it/i/
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• 1871[17:48:23] <jelly> sleepingforest: if you see the new version in "apt-cache policy weechat" it means you forgot to use -t stretch-backports trying to install it
• 1872[17:48:32] <greycat> replaced-url
• 1873[17:48:36] <jelly> and that in turn means you did not read ^
• 1874[17:49:04] <jelly> if you don't see the new version, don't forget to apt-get update
• 1875[17:49:26] <jelly> if you still don't see the new version after that, THEN it's possible you set up the repo incorrectly
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• 1877[17:49:48] <jelly> annadane ruins all the fun!
• 1878[17:49:57] <sleepingforest> it see it in apt-cache policy, i did forget the -t. thanks for correcting me
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• 1881[17:50:24] * dpkg blames err404 and annadane for the end of life as we know it
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• 1920[18:26:43] <strk> ie: message from Ansible: FAILED! => {"changed": false, "msg": "Failed to lock apt for exclusive operation"}
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• 1939[18:38:29] <strk> manually it worked :/
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• 1970[18:54:17] <jelly> or is it unbecoming
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• 1987[19:03:43] <strk> uhm
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• 2004[19:14:55] <jhutchins_wk> strk: Basically there are three things that cause that: Another user/process is running apt*, apt is not running as root, or apt crashed and left a lock file.
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• 2015[19:18:21] <EdePopede> installing is a root task, downloading stuff a user task. how does 'apt-get source' fit into this image? feels like /usr/local/bin vs. ~/bin somehow. i try to keep my user account out of the whole dpkg/apt thing, is there a bcp?
• 2016[19:18:39] <greycat> 'apt-get source' is done as NON-root. It writes to $PWD.
• 2017[19:19:06] <greycat> Working with source is a development activity, done as you, the developer.
• 2018[19:19:17] <greycat> That includes building the .deb files.
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• 2020[19:20:06] <EdePopede> thanks for the confirmation
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• 2044[19:39:33] <EdePopede> while unpacking the .deb step by step i can `tar --one-top-level -xf` data.tar.xz, but not the control file. it clashes with ./control inside it. so either this is the wrong option or it shouldn't happen.
• 2045[19:40:31] <greycat> (a) why are you unpacking a .deb (b) why are you doing it by hand instead of dpkg -x (c) why is there already stuff in the directory you're unpacking into
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• 2054[19:45:39] <EdePopede> (a) dissection (b) because that's how you open blackboxes; and as it seems it only unpacks the data part, not the control part (c) there's nothing in it: unpacking into a subdirectory doesn't seem to allow a file with the same name
• 2055[19:47:26] <greycat> EdePopede: like this? replaced-url
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• 2060[19:48:56] <greycat> I only see one file named "control" so there should not be a conflict.
• 2061[19:51:00] <EdePopede> greycat: nearly. only i unpacked to auto-named subdirs of the current directory, which means it wouldn't mix things anyway. control.tar.xz -> ./control/*, but: "tar: ./control: Cannot open: File exists"
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• 2063[19:51:22] <greycat> you created a directory named control and then tried to unpack a FILE named control?
• 2064[19:51:31] <greycat> -rw-r--r-- root/root 437 2019-02-02 06:57 ./control
• 2065[19:51:35] <EdePopede> can't unpack ./control from inside control.tar.xz due to the locally existing ./control dir
• 2066[19:51:38] <greycat> It's a file, not a directory.
• 2067[19:51:48] <greycat> there should NOT BE a directory named control
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• 2069[19:51:59] <EdePopede> --one-top-level[=DIR]
• 2070[19:51:59] <EdePopede> Extract all files into DIR, or, if used without argument, into a subdirectory named by the base name of the archive (minus standard compression suffixes recognizable by --auto-compress).
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• 2072[19:52:10] <EdePopede> used this autofeature
• 2073[19:52:24] <greycat> I do not KNOW or CARE what the fuck that option is. I don't know why you are using it. I don't know what happens when you use it. Stop it.
• 2074[19:52:28] <EdePopede> first time ever btw
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• 2076[19:52:59] <EdePopede> well, you asked what i did
• 2077[19:55:02] <jelly> EdePopede: yes, data.tar.{gz,xz} only contains data
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• 2080[19:56:33] <EdePopede> jelly: i'm also interested in the content of control.tar.?z - there are packages with relevant actions in postinst or config
• 2081[19:56:41] <greycat> It seems you stumbled across this random GNU tar option that nobody has ever used before except in some secret volcano island lair, and you used it, and it decided that since you were unpacking an archive named control.foo it would helpfully make a directory named "control" for you. Which makes the unpacking fail because there is a FILE named "control" that is supposed to be unpacked.
• 2082[19:56:57] <greycat> So, again, stop using that option.
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• 2085[19:57:11] <jelly> EdePopede: this is better done with dpkg -x and dpkg -e. If you want do unpack things so that it's useful for repacking with dpkg-deb, you'll have to unpack data, make a directory named DEBIAN, and unpack control under there
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• 2089[19:59:15] <alex15> Hello. I thought when I run "sudo apt purge xxx", all configuration files are deleted as well. But at least for xxx=weechat some directories like home/name/.weechat are kept
• 2090[19:59:40] <n4dir> the users home files usually don't get deleted.
• 2091[19:59:42] <greycat> Config files are in /etc. Personal files in user home directories are never deleted.
• 2092[19:59:48] <alex15> is there are clean way to reinstall a program using the package manager so that it has the same defaults as when it was installed first time again?
• 2093[20:00:07] <alex15> ah ok so I have to delete them always manually?
• 2094[20:00:23] <jmcnaught> or move/rename
• 2095[20:00:25] <greycat> For your testing purposes, wipe out the entire user account, create a new user account, and test in that.
• 2096[20:00:56] <alex15> OK thank you for the quick help!
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• 2101[20:05:33] <Ingvix> What kind of shortcut did I press for now my arrow keys go straight to start and end of input rather than to next character?
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• 2104[20:06:07] <jelly> you don't have to wipe the existing account to create a new one, tho
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• 2107[20:06:57] <Ingvix> also I've couple of times activated some odd mode where every word I type is written underlined and actually inputted to the text after space or enter
• 2108[20:07:17] <alex15> jelly: yes, useradd
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• 2110[20:08:05] <kryptos> hello
• 2111[20:08:09] <jelly> alex15: also, adduser !
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• 2118[20:08:33] <kryptos> adduser
• 2119[20:08:44] <kryptos> how do I adduser?
• 2120[20:08:48] <greycat> jelly: I tend to assume that you don't want a thousand transient user accounts sitting around forever
• 2121[20:09:07] <greycat> "man adduser". It is the high level interface. "useradd" is the low level interface.
• 2122[20:09:11] <jelly> my /etc/passwd thinks different
• 2123[20:09:42] <jelly> hmph, only up to test2:x:1002:1007:,,,:/home/test2:/bin/zsh
• 2124[20:09:52] <kryptos> You want me to add another user on my machine?
• 2125[20:10:05] <Ingvix> oh, I had fn lock on... But still, I'd like to know what that underline mode is and how to disable it if I accidently activate it
• 2126[20:10:06] <jelly> kryptos: no
• 2127[20:10:25] <greycat> kryptos: you seem to have butted into someone else's discussion
• 2128[20:10:33] <jelly> I was addressing a different user, kryptos
• 2129[20:10:39] <kryptos> Sry I'm new to irc
• 2130[20:11:06] <jelly> irc does not show you previous history, context from this preexisting channel
• 2131[20:11:22] <kryptos> And i'm only a 12.26 year old human
• 2132[20:11:33] <Ingvix> uh
• 2133[20:11:36] <jelly> that's okay
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• 2135[20:12:37] <kryptos> is this like discord?
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• 2137[20:13:28] <alex15> not quite as fancy I would say, and less games :)
• 2138[20:13:37] <greycat> No. It's strictly live. No history is discoverable.
• 2139[20:13:37] <jelly> discord is like irc, in some regards
• 2140[20:13:45] <kryptos> I don't play stupid games
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• 2142[20:14:10] <jelly> you could play smart games, we don't judge
• 2143[20:14:33] <kryptos> All of you classmates are like addicted, and I'm just geeking around in kali
• 2144[20:14:33] <greycat> (Which doesn't stop people from logging the content if they choose, but they typically will not share their logs with YOU, unless they want to.)
• 2145[20:14:53] <greycat> #kali-linux is the channel for Kali. This is for Debian.
• 2146[20:15:03] <jelly> kryptos: you're in #debian channel right now, we do tech support for Debian distro in here
• 2147[20:15:15] <EdePopede> kryptos: nope. nothing proprietary in it. no central network. pick whatever client you like, connect to whatever network you need/want, which runs whatever server software (ircd) they selected for their needs. or set up your own network if you feel like doing it (and you know what you're doing)
• 2148[20:15:35] <kryptos> thx
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• 2150[20:15:55] <kryptos> How can I navigate to #kali-linux?
• 2151[20:16:07] <jelly> /join #kali-linux
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• 2153[20:16:10] <jelly> you type that
• 2154[20:16:55] <jelly> or ##chat for a general chat channel. Most other channels on this network are tech oriented.
• 2155[20:16:59] <kryptos> potassium
• 2156[20:18:13] * jelly wonders if Kali maintainers have made enough time to automatically expand 'k' or 'K' to 'potassium' for reasons
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• 2160[20:19:23] <kryptos> lol
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• 2163[20:19:55] <phazon> Their too busy writing malware like FinFisher for Gamma GmbH to do that...
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• 2165[20:20:51] <phazon> /s/their/theyre
• 2166[20:20:52] <kryptos> they released kali 2019 like a few months ago
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• 2168[20:21:25] <kryptos> pretty slay
• 2169[20:21:26] <greycat> They're too busy sending all their users to the wrong IRC channel.
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• 2171[20:21:37] <kryptos> haha sry
• 2172[20:21:39] <jelly> greycat: that part they've automated
• 2173[20:21:46] <CarlFK> what is the ifup? or whatever command to re-read /etc/network/interfaces?
• 2174[20:21:54] <kryptos> google it
• 2175[20:22:16] <jelly> CarlFK: something like... ifdown -a; ifup -a ... might do
• 2176[20:22:40] <kryptos> agreed
• 2177[20:22:53] <jelly> kryptos: if you're not asking for debian tech support or providing it, it might be best to keep quiet
• 2178[20:22:59] <CarlFK> thanks
• 2179[20:23:29] <kryptos> okay, I'm just very new, if I do anything wrong, plz tell me
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• 2181[20:23:58] <jelly> no problem. We do have a separate #debian-offtopic for themes of not-support
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• 2183[20:24:13] <jelly> a separate #debian-offtopic channel*
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• 2259[20:59:41] <f-a> I have a command line argument like: site.com,foo.bar,example.org (no spaces)
• 2260[20:59:53] <f-a> is there a way to break it up in multiple lines, inside a sh file?
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• 2262[21:00:03] <f-a> I know \, but don't know how to make it work with this
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• 2264[21:00:30] <EdePopede> f-a: `man tr`
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• 2267[21:01:34] <greycat> What do you *really* want to do, and are you using sh or bash, and why is a list of domain names being given in this format instead of a more natural format like "one per argument"?
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• 2269[21:02:16] <greycat> "Printing them to stdout with commas converted to newlines" is trivial, but I doubt this is the *real* goal of the script.
• 2270[21:02:32] <f-a> greycat: I described what I want to do, is anything not clea- oh
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• 2272[21:02:38] <f-a> it's the -d parameter in iptables
• 2273[21:02:39] <greycat> !xy
• 2274[21:02:39] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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• 2276[21:03:05] <luneff> f-a, I'd try IFS=","
• 2277[21:03:16] <greycat> So, what, you are writing a wrapper script around iptables and you need to parse its arguments?
• 2278[21:03:21] <f-a> no
• 2279[21:03:27] <f-a> I have a script
• 2280[21:03:32] <f-a> inside it I have a line like
• 2281[21:03:47] <f-a> sudo iptables -A OUTPUT -o wlp2s0 -p tcp -m multiport -d ansa.it,bababa.com,etc.org --dports 80,443 -j DROP
• 2282[21:04:03] <f-a> the argument for `-d` is very long (multiple line)
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• 2286[21:04:36] <f-a> not multiple line, more than 80 characters, I mean
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• 2288[21:05:06] <blasen> is bash script working like the bash cli? or is something different?
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• 2290[21:05:21] <greycat> They use the same commands and syntax.
• 2291[21:05:36] <greycat> There are a few differences, such as aliases not being used in scripts by default.
• 2292[21:05:52] <greycat> f-a: what's the question?
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• 2295[21:07:03] <f-a> greycat: can I break ccc.com,balalala.org,rfrfr.org in multiple lines somehow? In the same fashion I use \ to invoke programs with many parameters?
• 2296[21:07:10] <greycat> If you'd like to write the list of domain names in a more readable form and then generate the -d x,y,z syntax (the *opposite* of what you initially requested), we can .... yeah, that.
• 2297[21:07:18] <greycat> 1) Use bash, not sh, so you have arrays.
• 2298[21:07:31] <greycat> 2) Define an array. doms=(foo.bar example.com bababa.goat ...)
• 2299[21:07:45] <greycat> 3) IFS=,; iptables blah -d "${doms[*]}" ...; unset IFS
• 2300[21:08:10] <blasen> greycat: ok, thanks. when i want to escape chars like | .. can i just put it in single quotes? double quotes? or what's the proper way to escape?
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• 2302[21:08:16] <greycat> Array definitions can be written across lines, can have comments in them, etc.
• 2303[21:08:41] <greycat> blasen: replaced-url
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• 2305[21:09:01] <blasen> greycat, ty
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• 2309[21:10:40] <f-a> luneff: excellent, works perfectly, many thanks
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• 2330[21:20:00] <communicate> Hello, how do I change the behavior (configure which character to be displayed) of SHIFT + "? The setxkbmap command for the layout I am trying to configure is 'setxkbmap -layout us -variant intl', and the layout can be seen here replaced-url
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• 2346[21:31:12] <ircarcs> communicate: hi somthing like
• 2347[21:31:29] <ircarcs> xmodmap -e 'keycode 133 = F1' (example ) xev utility may help
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• 2351[21:31:58] <communicate> Thank you very much ircarcs!
• 2352[21:31:58] <ircarcs> this was jst an example not the one for your purpose
• 2353[21:32:14] <cassiano> sup
• 2354[21:32:17] <communicate> I see.
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• 2376[21:47:32] <blasen> what's the meaning of { } brackets? or is it ${ }? or is each different?
• 2377[21:48:11] <Voldenet> blasen: depends on the language
• 2378[21:48:14] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2379[21:48:17] <blasen> in bash
• 2380[21:48:53] <greycat> We actually had a discussion of the meaning of { in bash the other day in #bash. We came up with a list of 5 or 6 completely different meanings depending on the context.
• 2381[21:49:07] <blasen> ouch
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• 2383[21:49:39] <doge> hi
• 2384[21:49:48] <doge> how can i install inetsim on debian?
• 2385[21:49:55] <doge> i dont see it in the default repos
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• 2389[21:50:13] <doge> is there an official debian package for it?
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• 2391[21:50:44] <greycat> ,v inetsim
• 2392[21:50:45] <judd> Package: inetsim on amd64 -- buster: 1.2.7+dfsg.1-1; sid: 1.2.7+dfsg.1-1
• 2393[21:51:05] <greycat> ,checkbackport inetsim
• 2394[21:51:06] <judd> Backporting package inetsim in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: init-system-helpers (>= 1.51).
• 2395[21:51:23] <doge> im running debian 9.8
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• 2398[21:52:27] <doge> greycat: is it supported on 9.8?
• 2399[21:53:14] <greycat> If it were, judd would have listed something for stretch.
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• 2402[21:54:03] <greycat> Your choices at this point are (1) upgrade to testing, (2) compile it from upstream sources, (3) find a third-party repository that has it and can be trusted (NOT safe), (4) do without it
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• 2406[21:54:55] <doge> greycat: are there any comparable network simulators supported on debian 9.8?
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• 2410[21:56:37] <TurqFlame> doge: try to compile from sources
• 2411[21:56:52] <greycat> I did an apt-cache show on it, and it seems to be mostly or totally perl.
• 2412[21:56:52] <jhutchins_wk> ,v lastpass
• 2413[21:56:53] <judd> No package named 'lastpass' was found in amd64.
• 2414[21:58:12] <greycat> If the perl modules that it uses are all in stretch (I have *no* idea whether this is the case), then installing it from upstream should be very easy.
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• 2456[22:30:10] <CarlFK> dhcp gives me IP and stuff, but ping 8.8.8.8 "...Unreachable"
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• 2458[22:30:27] <TurqFlame> ping gw?
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• 2460[22:30:37] <somiaj> I would try to ping the ip address it gives you and then maybe your gateway (some networks block pings)
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• 2468[22:33:21] <incognito> does anyone know how to autoconnect with a vpn on startup and not have connect even after a laptop lid close?
• 2469[22:33:36] <incognito> i am using the NetworkManager openvpn funcitonality and it will connect when i select it
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• 2471[22:33:53] <incognito> but i can't really autostart it properly and it disconnects after my laptop lid closes or the network disconnects
• 2472[22:33:59] <CarlFK> ping gw works
• 2473[22:34:33] <TurqFlame> then try traceroute
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• 2476[22:36:45] <CarlFK> looks like it is trying to use the 10. interface
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• 2479[22:39:36] <CarlFK> ah, the gw ip is on the 10. interface..
• 2480[22:39:42] <CarlFK> im not sure how that happened.
• 2481[22:40:00] <somiaj> run ip route
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• 2483[22:41:43] <CarlFK> ah - damm ansible hardcoded in the .. arg.
• 2484[22:42:22] <CarlFK> how do I delete the route?
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• 2491[22:45:22] <TurqFlame> CarlFK: man route
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• 2523[23:10:56] <jcb2016> how do you get debian to stop accessing a link that isn't valid anymore. i edited my sources.list put in a url in there ran sudo apt update and it timed out multiple times. i deleted it then ran sudo apt update again and it still trying to access said link. how do i stop this?
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• 2532[23:15:16] <skyfighter> Guys, good afternoon. How can I upgrade (Debian 9) to kernel 5 without compiling? an update with less risk of errors and faster?
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• 2561[23:41:01] <p3rror> Hello
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• 2569[23:44:20] <zetuno> hello. when the guide for providing firmware to the installer says "Extract the deb to a usb drive", do you just place the .deb file on the drive, or have to put /usr and /lib at the root of the usb drive? Anything I'm missing? (struggling with replaced-url
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• 2571[23:45:30] <phogg> zetuno: I've no idea, but "Extract" certainly implies that you don't just put the .deb file there.
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