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0[00:00:20] <SerajewelKS> i usually only see that when the filesystem is toast. you might reboot into maintenance mode (or boot from the installer CD) and fsck your filesystem(s).
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2[00:01:12] <SerajewelKS> dmesg might also have some clues
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6[00:01:40] <SerajewelKS> if it turns out that there is a problem with the filesystem then that _could_ explain the apt warnings; it's possible that apt or one of the keyring files is corrupt. hard to say.
7[00:01:54] <SerajewelKS> and in that case you'd be better off restoring from a known good backup onto a clean system
8[00:02:20] <SerajewelKS> but that's all speculation at this point
9[00:02:52] <SerajewelKS> it's particularly odd that you only see that error for one file, which is what makes me think something is not good with the filesystem
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13[00:04:57] <platypo> i see
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16[00:06:10] <platypo> i can cat all files in /var/lib/apt/lists as root in terminal without any error though
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20[00:09:26] <platypo> var/lib/apt/lists/partial*
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51[00:34:58] <dgriffi> bluetooth services suddenly stopped and won't start up again, even after reboots: "
52[00:35:14] <dgriffi> "systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in Bluetooth service"
53[00:35:28] <dgriffi> no idea what the problem is and google isn't telling me anything useful
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95[01:12:17] <platypo> SerajewelKS: hello. Another question: is it possible to run fsck in recovery mode on a mounted partition?
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97[01:14:22] <platypo> you meant i should boot from a livestick or something
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99[01:14:45] <platypo> nvm
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108[01:21:48] <ach_> platypo, I do not think it is possible to run fsck on mounted partition, instead I will try to use "touch /forcefsck" to force fsck after reboot or maybe generating an initramfs using "dracut" and reboot linux with the command line "rd.break=pre-mount"
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110[01:24:34] <platypo> ach_: cool workaround, thanks
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112[01:27:18] <SerajewelKS> you can fsck a mounted partition if it's mounted read-only
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114[01:27:38] <SerajewelKS> and it's possible to remount things, so you can stop all services that write to the disk and remount / read-only, then fsck it
115[01:27:43] <SerajewelKS> but if changes are made you'll probably have to reboot
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184[02:33:45] <easyprinter> hi, wifi driver not detected for dell laptop 15-5570 i5
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192[02:38:12] <easyprinter> no wifi network, what to do?
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233[03:10:48] <met> use ethernet for now ;) try to find out the wifi chipset, maybe you need to install a firmware package for it
234[03:11:55] <ledeni> met easyprinter is gone --offline
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236[03:12:28] <met> oh - stupid weechat didn't show me the part msg
237[03:12:32] <met> sorry
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242[03:18:30] <tony`> hello guys
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251[03:25:39] <met> /wii tony`
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253[03:25:44] <met> sigh
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255[03:26:06] <met> ...hello
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285[03:56:35] <argusbr> have one command search date-time install my os?
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303[04:16:42] <lingd> are there some tools for debian for removing packages without breaking dependencies?
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314[04:29:35] <jmcnaught> lingd: it's usually not a good idea. Dependencies are things that are needed by a package. What are you trying to do?
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316[04:30:17] <lingd> i'm fighting the maintainers' stupidity
317[04:31:09] <lingd> it is the major downside of deb that maintainer has to assign dependencies, and I suspect many maintainers don't know about weak deps yet
318[04:32:23] <lingd> more precisely, I'm trying to install a pdf reader, which has a hard dependency on a web browser and js interpreter
319[04:33:13] <lingd> I even suspect why that is, for mathml support in epubs
320[04:34:24] <lingd> and instead of splitting the epub plugin into subpackage, and making a weak dep of it to a web browser, the idiot maintainer hard deps it to the main package
321[04:35:42] <lingd> so I need to clean up the junk without making apt unoperative
322[04:36:42] <lingd> for comparison, rpm allows both removing packages without breaking the dependencies, and it even allows to "forget" the installed package
323[04:36:58] <lingd> i need something similar for apt/dpkg
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342[04:55:25] <lingd> where's everyone?
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346[04:58:51] <karlpinc> Having a party in #debian-offtopic? ;-)
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353[05:03:37] <milkt> lingd: isn't it possible with modifying .deb
354[05:05:50] <karlpinc> lingd: Your request reminds me of something, but I don't recall what. You might try using debtags to search. Or look on the debian wikil
355[05:05:54] <karlpinc> wiki.
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374[05:23:35] <yranke> I have a question about debian CVE, specifcally CVE-2019-9213 on the debian security tracker ( replaced-url
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376[05:24:02] <yranke> i see jessie(security) and jessie
377[05:24:17] <yranke> the version number 3.16.56-1+deb8u1
378[05:24:37] <yranke> if its fixed, will i see the deb8+u1 in the uname -a command ?
379[05:24:46] <yranke> sorry +deb8u1
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381[05:26:09] <yranke> or am I looking at the backwards.. 3.16.64-1 and newer are only fixed.
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384[05:27:38] <lingd> 3.16.64 is fixed, .56 is vulnerable
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388[05:29:11] <yranke> okay, so i'm guessing the (security) part means its only available through the security repository ?
389[05:30:16] <yranke> (thank you lingd)
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488[07:49:53] <Gigglebyte> Something really weird is going on with a laptop that I recently installed Debian stable on. Sudo is not showing up in the repository, and I can't install Thunderbird. It says Debian when i boot up, but the distro acts like it is a different distro.
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493[07:52:12] <Gigglebyte> Is sudo installed by default in debian stable?
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497[07:53:22] <diogenes_> use su
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527[08:27:09] <bipul> Hi
528[08:28:42] <bipul> Why it's taking too much time to get install debian via pressed. I am using debian-9.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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530[08:30:00] <bipul> My preseed file replaced-url
531[08:30:03] <themill> you might need to define "too much time" and what you're asking it to install
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534[08:31:44] <bipul> It was taking 20 minutes to get install "base system" Also it required my interaction to click first time on "Install" options
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536[08:31:55] <bipul> more then 20 minutes
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554[08:46:39] <bipul> What could be the issue?
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666[10:06:12] <rant> fwiw the correct answer to that question is, no, sudo is not installed by default unless you choose no root password. Sudo is an optional package
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706[10:39:56] <gnumdk> Hello, I'm booting a diskless debian but can't make keyboard layout switch to fr
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740[11:01:15] <Rico> hello
741[11:02:00] <Rico> does the "updates" and "backports" utl changed recently for jessie ? apt complains about "url not found"
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743[11:06:03] <jelly> bipul: I've noticed our vmware/pxe/preseed debian 9 provisioning has gone slower last 1-2 months, too
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757[11:10:06] <themill> Rico: that's correct, they have been unsupported for about a year and were removed
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759[11:10:27] <jelly> bipul: sorry, no, from boot to sshd running after install it's about 4 minutes
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762[11:11:05] <warai_otoko> themill: same problem here. Can someone provide a link with the most recent sources.list for Jessie (8.x), please?
763[11:11:39] <themill> replaced-url
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767[11:13:19] <jelly> did we update
768[11:13:20] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
769[11:13:20] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
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771[11:13:28] <warai_otoko> themill: and if my arch is ppc64? :-/
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773[11:13:37] <nevivurn> I want to make a local script available over netcat. ie. the script read/writes to stdin/stdout, and I want people connecting to some port on my network to see the script and such.
774[11:13:39] <themill> warai_otoko: then you should have upgraded 12 month ago
775[11:13:49] <nevivurn> What would be a nice, minimal solution to this?
776[11:14:01] <Rico> themill: and what about backports url ?
777[11:14:25] <themill> Rico: jessie-backports has been unsupported for almost a year. There is no jessie-backports for you to use
778[11:14:26] <jelly> nevivurn: inetd instead of netcat
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781[11:15:13] <nevivurn> Ah, okay. I know there are many programs that perform inetd-like functions, which one is the most minimal? I don't really need much from it.
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783[11:15:45] <Rico> ok
784[11:15:46] <jelly> they're all pretty minimal, openbsd-inetd is default, xinetd has a bit nicer config files
785[11:16:01] <nevivurn> Alright, thanks!
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787[11:16:53] <warai_otoko> themill: would have loved to. but I read ppc64 isn't supported anymore :-/
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795[11:21:08] <themill> warai_otoko: ppc64 was never released by debian. Do you mean powerpc?
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802[11:26:52] <warai_otoko> themill: hmmm. isn't powerpc up to G4, ppc64 for G5 & Co. and up? But yes, I would like to use the most updated sources.list for this arch which to my knowledge Debian 8.x was unfortunately the last official release...
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805[11:28:52] <themill> ppc64el still exists
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809[11:30:14] <themill> I don't know the specifics of your hardware, but powerpc and ppc64el were the only archs ever released by Debian. ppc64 was never released and remained an experimental effort
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815[11:31:48] <warai_otoko> themill: okay, thanks a bunch, my CPU is not suitable for ppc64el due to an older PowerPC CPU as POWER8: replaced-url
816[11:32:29] <themill> Sounds like you have an expensive doorstop now
817[11:33:09] <warai_otoko> themill: :-D
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828[11:38:39] <at0m> buddy offers me a G5, so reading up on replaced-url
829[11:39:55] <earthnative> at0m: the G5 powermac, at least... was a power hog. They're a fun novelty to have though
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833[11:40:15] <themill> I don't think there's anything in Debian that supports them any more either
834[11:40:21] <at0m> earthnative: if not debian, i may host my old DSP soundcards in it
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836[11:42:06] <at0m> if i have to choose between Windows and OSX to run these cards, i may go for the latter. that would also mean i don't have to dualboot any debians.
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940[13:01:30] <rdz> hey all. any chance that jessie-updates will be restored in way it does not cause any 404?
941[13:01:43] <rdz> i don't care if the folder is empty
942[13:02:07] <rdz> but the move to remove is quite annoying
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949[13:07:22] <blingrang> Hi, how would I go about resigning an archived repo?
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952[13:08:57] <themill> You do, of course, realise that the archived repos are there for historical interest only not for normal use? You can sign the Release file and feed apt the key.
953[13:09:11] <blingrang> I know.
954[13:09:59] <blingrang> But one of our legacy systems uses jessie-backports and while in the long term we intend to get rid of it, in the short term we need that repo back.
955[13:10:23] <EdePopede> jessie has a best-before line or similar iirc in that file. does also need some option to make it work afaik.
956[13:10:24] <BCMM> rdz: there *is* additional work involved in running LTS Debian - the "easy" path is to upgrade to the current stable release. have you read replaced-url
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964[13:17:53] <rdz> BCMM, thanks for the link
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966[13:20:48] <jelly> rdz: no, probably
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978[13:27:58] <masterkorp1> hello
979[13:28:25] <masterkorp1> when I install docker the package is intalled
980[13:28:40] <masterkorp1> but the binary is not found
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995[13:38:22] <ayekat> masterkorp1: check what files the package installed (in particular what it put in /usr/bin)
996[13:38:37] <ayekat> (or /bin or /sbin or /usr/sbin or ...)
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1008[13:51:42] <masterkorp1> there is no filen usr bin
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1014[13:54:02] <masterkorp1> i also get this
1015[13:54:13] <masterkorp1> i added the docker-ce package
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1017[13:54:32] <masterkorp1> and it finds it on a search, but its unable to locate it?
1018[13:54:59] <ayekat> are you on ARM?
1019[13:55:31] <ayekat> also, you said you installed the docker package, but your output there indicates you haven't
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1021[13:57:26] <rdz> why can i see the list of wheezy backports but not list of jessie backports?
1022[13:57:48] <rdz> are backports removed once a release is transitioned to lts?
1023[13:58:02] <ayekat> !wheezy
1024[13:58:03] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: replaced-url
1025[13:58:09] <rdz> replaced-url
1026[13:58:26] <rdz> ayekat, ??
1027[13:58:40] <rdz> in what way is your answer releated to my question?
1028[13:59:04] <rdz> compare above link with: replaced-url
1029[13:59:11] <ayekat> hmm... wait, I understood your question the wrong way around
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1031[13:59:50] <rdz> ayekat, no problem
1032[14:00:11] <rdz> is it expected that i get 404 when doing 'apt update' with jessie-backports included?
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1035[14:00:47] <rdz> can't the old backports packages stay online?
1036[14:01:23] <Spida> what is the official way to add a file (systemd unit) to a debian package that is not generated by the built process? add a patch to debian/patches that "generates" the file, and add a line to the packagename.install file that install the unit to the correct location?
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1041[14:06:07] <ayekat> rdz: replaced-url
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1043[14:07:23] <ayekat> actually, it links to replaced-url
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1048[14:11:53] <rdz> ayekat, thanks.. got that.. but i wonder about backports.., does that apply also to jessie-backports?
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1052[14:17:11] <ayekat> apparently both jessie-backports and wheezy-backports have been moved to archive.debian.org - I would expect that wheezy-backports on the old server would stop working as well, though
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1054[14:17:40] <ayekat> but anyway, if you update your sources.list entries to point to archive.debian.org, jessie-backports should work again
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1058[14:19:38] <rdz> ayekat, ah ok... thanks
1059[14:20:26] <rdz> E: Release file for {archive-url} is expired (invalid since 40d 15h 53min 37s).
1060[14:20:52] <rdz> so there they are.. the release files.. but unusable
1061[14:20:56] <rdz> ayekat, thanks for your help
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1064[14:22:30] <mmaddin> rdz: I'm currently looking into the same problem. The version history of replaced-url
1065[14:23:32] <ayekat> rdz: hmm... I guess the jessie channel might know more, then
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1068[14:26:25] <bhuddah> did you notice the information in the topic?
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1071[14:28:28] <rdz> bhuddah, thanks.., only now
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1075[14:29:11] <ayekat> heh - but so there is no supported oldstable anymore?
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1077[14:29:49] <bhuddah> there was a lot of time to upgrade. it's not like debian moves especially fast...
1078[14:30:28] <rdz> bhuddah, that's not the issue
1079[14:30:56] <rdz> bhuddah, it's just slightly hard to understand what support is lost at which time...
1080[14:31:27] <rdz> the transition to LTS was in june 2018... so it is strange that i still have to touch sources.list of jessie hosts
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1083[14:31:59] <rdz> imho, debian makes it harder than necessary to keep things going
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1086[14:32:38] <rdz> you need to know all kind of meta knowledge to keep simple things as apt going
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1088[14:33:37] <rdz> at least for systems receive only minimal support i'd be happy if i could leave them just running without thinking and caring so much
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1092[14:35:17] <ayekat> "oldstable" means: "it's outdated, but we're friendly enough to support it for some time so have time to update to the latest release"
1093[14:37:12] <ayekat> then again, I always thought that oldstable would receive support until stable became the new oldstable (with the next release), but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore
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1096[14:38:40] <mmaddin> what confused me a bit: both wheezy-backports and jessie-backports are present on archive.debian.org, but while wheezy-backports still works, jessie-backports complains about the release file being expired.
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1098[14:39:13] <mmaddin> anyway, upgrade to stable is the way to go, sure.
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1109[14:45:52] <ayekat> yeah, that confuses me, too
1110[14:46:36] <ayekat> but anyway, if you only *updated* to jessie in june 2018, your system must've been seriously outdated before :-}
1111[14:47:48] <platypo> When doing apt-get update i get this line in the shell:
1112[14:47:50] <platypo> Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.at.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_main_i18n_Translation-en.bz2 - open (13: Permission denied) [IP: 213.129.232.18 80]
1113[14:48:30] <platypo> My question is: is it possible that this is a remote file?
1114[14:49:13] <ayekat> ah wait, there is also replaced-url
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1149[15:07:18] <platypo> Hello. I can't verify the signature for the repositories apt uses in debian 9. Could someone help?
1150[15:08:09] <themill> What are you trying and in what way does it not work?
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1153[15:09:09] <platypo> I get a bunch of errors when i run apt-get update as root in terminal.
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1155[15:09:56] <platypo> replaced-url
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1160[15:11:12] <themill> platypo: what are the permissions on /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ and who owns it?
1161[15:11:20] <platypo> 644 root root
1162[15:11:28] <jelly> 644 is not good for a directory.
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1164[15:11:47] <jelly> make it +x
1165[15:12:13] <themill> 0755 and _apt:root
1166[15:12:15] <jelly> and chown _apt:root
1167[15:12:15] <platypo> sorry. 700, user: _apt, group root. The contents of the directory are 644
1168[15:12:40] <themill> 0700 is ok
1169[15:12:46] <jelly> is there a leftover file in there owned by root? ls -ld /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.at.*
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1171[15:14:07] <platypo> the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial are all owned by root, permissions are 777
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1173[15:14:59] <platypo> sorry: most of the files. The regarding file is.
1174[15:15:00] <jelly> platypo: you may delete all the files in partial/ subdir and do an apt-get update again
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1179[15:18:31] <platypo> i allready did that with the parent directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ a while ago
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1186[15:21:18] <jelly> platypo: that's not the greatest idea, you don't want to delete /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
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1188[15:21:52] <platypo> jelly: nevertheless, after deleting the contents of partial/ subdirectory i get:
1189[15:21:56] <platypo> BZ2_bzread: /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.at.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_contrib_i18n_Translation-en.bz2 Read error (-5: DATA_ERROR_MAGIC)
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1193[15:22:59] <jelly> platypo: weird, that's not the same file. Is this on a weird buggy filesystem type like btrfs?
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1195[15:23:41] <platypo> jelly: /dev/mapper/vg-var is ext4
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1197[15:24:03] <platypo> i just used fsck without any errors
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1199[15:24:30] <jelly> presumably after umounting or remonting-it read-only
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1201[15:24:53] <rdz> hey all. I experience this bug replaced-url
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1214[15:27:20] <jelly> rdz: if you read that bug there's a build by benh with a tentative patch linked near the bottom, did you try that
1215[15:27:44] <jelly> rdz: it's not on mirrors yet as far as I can tell
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1217[15:28:27] <platypo> jelly: i used a livecd.
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1220[15:30:15] <rdz> jelly, thanks.. i haven't tested the build.. it's based on kernel 4.4, right?
1221[15:30:19] <themill> platypo: out of interest, what made you reboot onto a livecd and run fsck?
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1223[15:30:39] <rdz> jelly, i just leave 3.16.0-7-amd64 installed until it is fixed
1224[15:30:48] <jelly> rdz: I did not investigate the details. It's still 3.16, just patched
1225[15:31:10] <rdz> jelly, i'm interested to know, though, how one can know whether a specific isse was fixed in a certain released version of a package
1226[15:31:23] <jelly> rdz: one reads the changelogs.
1227[15:31:43] <rdz> jelly, sounds logic.. can you point me to the correct changelog?
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1229[15:32:14] <rdz> can it be found by package name? the bug was re-assigned to src:linux.. though i don't know what this means
1230[15:32:15] <jelly> rdz: it's in the package you haven't tested yet
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1232[15:32:35] <rdz> jelly, so i can only read the changelog when i install the new version?
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1234[15:32:52] <jelly> or when the package actually appears in the repos.
1235[15:33:02] <rdz> jelly
1236[15:33:04] <rdz> sorry
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1238[15:33:34] <platypo> themill: i wasn't sure how to unmount /var at runtime so i just used a livecd
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1241[15:33:58] <themill> platypo: yeah, but why were you wanting to run fsck at all?
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1244[15:34:43] <rdz> jelly, replaced-url
1245[15:34:47] <rdz> which causes a 404
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1248[15:35:10] <platypo> themill: because i couldn't access a file when running apt as root.
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1255[15:38:44] <jelly> rdz: that's a) wrong package but also b) those links are often out of date. tracker.debian.org is probably more useful
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1257[15:38:57] <rdz> jelly, right.. wrong package
1258[15:39:03] <rdz> jelly, thanks about the tracker info
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1268[15:43:21] <rdz> jelly, thanks for your help.. i finally was able to figure out whether the issue was addressed (it is). i didn't hear about tracker.debian.org before... that's very valuable to know
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1270[15:43:28] <jelly> ,v linux-image-3.16.0-8-amd64
1271[15:43:29] <judd> No package named 'linux-image-3.16.0-8-amd64' was found in amd64.
1272[15:43:32] <jelly> ,v linux-image-3.16.0-8-amd64 --arch amd64
1273[15:43:33] <judd> No package named 'linux-image-3.16.0-8-amd64' was found in amd64.
1274[15:43:34] <rdz> probably could be linked somewhere more prominently
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1276[15:43:40] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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1281[15:44:01] <jelly> my apt-cache policy shows Candidate: 3.16.64-2
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1283[15:44:26] <at0m> ,v linux-image-amd64
1284[15:44:27] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u2; jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-backports: 4.19+102~bpo9+1; sid: 4.19+102; buster: 4.19+104
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1296[15:53:11] <jelly> judd is not that fast
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1322[16:11:55] <xro30> just wondering, anyone give me advise the best channel for learning hacking
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1324[16:13:31] <JoeD> Hi! I'm trying to read HowToPackageForDebian, but I need more basic documentation. The HowToPackageForDebian starts right away with "initial compilation"
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1326[16:13:50] <EdePopede> xro30: you don't learn hacking in a channel, you do it by understanding how everything works. far beyond what an average desktop user needs to know
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1328[16:15:30] <JoeD> If there is no "pre"-HowToPackageForDebian, I'll try to learn some of the technical terms before HowToPackageForDebian
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1333[16:16:39] <themill> !nmg
1334[16:16:39] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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1344[16:22:07] <JoeD> dpkg: package basics
1345[16:22:07] <dpkg> "Basics of the Debian package management system" is a chapter of the Debian GNU/Linux <FAQ>, which describes the Debian package format. replaced-url
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1354[16:26:10] <sleepingforest> hi, i have a debian machine installed as a VMWare guest machine. I used xfce as my dm, and had open-vm-tools installed. Everything worked fine. I decided to move away from xfce and am using i3. I cant seem to get the screen resolution to be correct
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1403[16:50:38] <numbie> hey, are the jessie ftp backports sources down?
1404[16:51:06] <nkuttler> !jessie
1405[16:51:06] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See replaced-url
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1424[17:06:27] <Slashman> hello, I'm trying to make sure that a variable is only a string of alphanumeric char but when I try this: foo="a/b"; if ! [[ $foo =~ [a-z]{1,40} ]]; then echo fail; fi , it does match, am I missing something?
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1435[17:09:04] <SerajewelKS> Slashman: you have to anchor the regex. =~ ^[a-z]{1,40}$
1436[17:09:22] <SerajewelKS> Slashman: otherwise the regex is allowed to match anywhere in the string, and the "a" substring is a match
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1439[17:09:42] <xVim> How is the best-choice program in update-alternatives determined? Manual page says "path of the best alternative for this link group", but that does not help. Is that priority-based? If so, how is it determined when multiple options with same priority exist?
1440[17:09:49] <Slashman> SerajewelKS: okay, makes sense, thank you
1441[17:10:11] <greycat> Also note that [a-z] does not necessarily mean the same as [[:lower:]] and you SHOULD be using the latter.
1442[17:11:00] <Slashman> greycat: I didn't know that, what's the difference?
1443[17:11:36] <SerajewelKS> one difference is that [[:lower:]] will match non-latin lowercase as well
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1445[17:11:42] <CpAj0> i have a problem with .profile with go compiler because at start up if i type "go" -> command not found if i type "source .profile" the go command run successfully
1446[17:11:55] <CpAj0> in .profile file i have this line export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/go/bin
1447[17:12:05] <greycat> Depending on your locale, the ordering of [a-z] may not be the same as ASCII and may include capital letters and non-ASCII characters
1448[17:12:12] <Slashman> ok, in this case, I'm fine with ascii
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1450[17:12:33] <Slashman> ok, good to know
1451[17:12:46] <xVim> CpAj0: Perhaps .profile is not read on startup, perhaps because you have an existing .bash_profile or .bash_login
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1458[17:14:40] <CpAj0> xVim, no i have only .bashrc
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1460[17:15:39] <Slashman> I guess that if ! [[ $foo =~ ^[[:alnum:]]+$ ]]; then echo fail; fi is the better option then?
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1462[17:16:07] <SerajewelKS> depending on what you are trying to do, yeah
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1471[17:17:25] <Slashman> I want only alphanumeric, so it seems like the best option
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1487[17:21:22] <xVim> CpAj0: Sorry then I don't know why your .profile is not read upon startup. Perhaps add the part of your .profile which modifies $PATH to your .bashrc?
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1491[17:22:24] <xVim> It sounds a bit like your $PATH could be modified inside .profile. Typically, ~/bin is added to $PATH there.
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1494[17:22:46] <xVim> if your go compiler is placed there, this might help
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1496[17:23:24] <xVim> Alternatively, just add the source .profile line to your .bashrc
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1498[17:23:37] <xVim> But I am pretty new and I am not sure I give sound advice
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1500[17:23:59] <greycat> That sounds like an infinite loop waiting to happen, since .profile should already be sourcing .bashrc.
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1506[17:24:43] <greycat> .profile is only used when you have a login shell, e.g. when you login on a text console or through sshd. It is NOT read by a graphical login of ANY kind.
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1538[17:37:47] <xVim> greycat: Is there an equivalent file for .profile in case you use a non-login-shell?
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1541[17:38:09] <greycat> replaced-url
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1545[17:39:07] <xVim> Thank you.
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1568[17:47:13] <EdePopede> sounds like bash would need #ifndef ;)
1569[17:48:18] <greycat> The other day we have a SuSE guy in #bash and he was tracking down some variable stuff... anyway, it turns out SuSE said "fuck it" and made EVERY bash config file dot in EVERY OTHER bash config file in some kind of gigantic clusterfuck from hell. It's insane.
1570[17:48:22] <justthedoctor> is there a way to enable 32bit and 64bit installation with apt-get, then is it possible to go back and apt-get update or something that will pull the 32bit of all the stuff that is installed as 64bit only?
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1574[17:50:00] <greycat> Debian doesn't really mess with upstream packages in that way, except for the addition of ~/.xsessionrc a few years back.
1575[17:50:03] <EdePopede> greycat: they also used to have a wm decoration with their gecko sitting on top of every window a requirement of one of the 3 base KDE packages. let's wait for more to come :)
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1581[17:51:03] <karlpinc> EdePopede: Hey, it's a nice gecko.
1582[17:52:21] <EdePopede> karlpinc: sure, i also had the sticker on my tower when i used id. but i also used a theme which doesn't make the titlebar wider than needed around the same time. desktop space is gold :)
1583[17:53:09] <EdePopede> and maybe i would even have used it at occasion. but not if they force me to install with an insane dependency.
1584[17:54:51] <EdePopede> and should debian ever want its own animal, i'd plead for a capybara. they're just great and lovely and everything
1585[17:55:26] <greycat> Debian's animal would be the platypus, because it was designed by a committee.
1586[17:55:45] <EdePopede> huh?
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1588[17:56:22] <EdePopede> oh. nice one too :)
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1616[18:12:01] <karlpinc> Debian deserves a mythical animal.
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1670[18:57:39] <Everspace> Slashman: be careful, :alphanum: will capture non-ascii
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1672[18:58:49] <Everspace> If you want to specifically be "ascii only" then [A-Za-z0-9]+ is what you probably want.
1673[18:59:15] <greycat> [[:alnum:]]+
1674[18:59:30] <Slashman> Everspace: that's fine, the real chars I want to avoid are specials like space, slash, dot, etc
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1676[18:59:47] <Everspace> Than you're good
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1678[19:00:34] <dob1> hi, in a bash script can I force to use a specific dns server doing all the operations in the bash script? for example if in the bash script I have wget google.com to resolve google.com it will use the dns server on /etc/resolve.conf. I would like to override this but just in the bash script
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1681[19:01:30] <dob1> there is not an environment variable for this?
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1683[19:02:31] <Everspace> I'm not sure you can fiddle with hostfiles like that. My initial thought is to put it in some sort if virtual environment or box with the correct hosts (docker or something?)
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1687[19:03:25] <Sleaker> dob1: closest thing would be to temporarily override your hosts file
1688[19:03:26] <ksk> eh, cant you variable a "dig +short @your.dns.server" inside your script?
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1691[19:04:14] <ksk> and then tell wget to connect to that resulting ip.
1692[19:04:36] <dob1> wget was just an example
1693[19:04:45] <dob1> ah
1694[19:04:46] <Everspace> With the correct -H "Host: my.example.com"
1695[19:05:07] <Everspace> or whatever it is (that's curl)
1696[19:05:24] <dob1> storing the ip of the server in a variable after using dig against the dns server I would like to use?
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1699[19:06:53] <dob1> ksk, I think it's a good idea
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1701[19:08:18] <greycat> dob1: GNU libc does *not* support overriding /etc/resolv.conf with an environment variable. The only resolver library I know of which does support that is DJB's, which nobody is using. Your best bet is probably to set up a chroot or container for this.
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1704[19:08:57] <dob1> greycat, but the idea of ksk seems good to me
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1708[19:09:21] <greycat> to basically write your own resolver in bash? suuuure, ok.
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1710[19:10:00] <dob1> greycat, storing the result of dig +short @dns url to a variable and then use this variable in this script instead of the url
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1713[19:10:32] <greycat> as I said.
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1718[19:12:52] <jhutchins_wk> .
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1723[19:14:17] <greycat> In *theory* I suppose you could use LD_PRELOAD to override the glibc resolver functions with a resolver that you can actually control, but I've never attempted it.
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1725[19:14:48] <greycat> A chrooted service (systemd has a nice specification language for it) would be a lot simpler.
1726[19:16:03] <dob1> greycat, I keep it simple and stupid :)
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1737[19:28:41] <GNU\colossus> greycat, that is indeed possible; cwrap does that (wrap/spoof nss results)
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1745[19:35:30] <greycat> Hmm, resolver(3) says there is an environment variable LOCALDOMAIN that can basically override "domain foo.com" from the config file, and a HOSTALIASES environment variable whose functionality is not described at all... but nothing to override "nameserver w.x.y.z".
1746[19:35:52] <greycat> Just figured I should check again, since it has been a few years.
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1767[19:52:12] <dob1> greycat, thanks for looking at it
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1845[20:42:49] <snipe> yo!
1846[20:43:16] <snipe> anyone got a clue how to install goggle drive ?:P step by step plz ! thank you in advance
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1848[20:44:07] <snipe> ?? goggle drive
1849[20:44:12] <snipe> !! goggle drive
1850[20:45:28] <greycat> You start by learning how to spell google.
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1853[20:45:46] <greycat> Once you know how to do that, you can use their search engine to search for that term.
1854[20:45:55] <ziti> no one actually knows how to install google drive
1855[20:45:59] <ziti> it's one of life's great mysteries
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1858[20:47:19] <jmcnaught> snipe: if you are using GNOME, then go to settings, online accounts, add your google account there
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1860[20:47:41] <Sleaker> technically it's a part of nautilus, which is a part of the default GNOME DE.
1861[20:47:58] <Sleaker> so if you want to use nautilus as your FM it's available.
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1914[21:20:01] <jhutchins_wk> Sleaker: Not available as a stand-alone CLI utility still?
1915[21:20:36] <Sleaker> jhutchins_wk: I mean if you want to use someone's tool there's probably something available for that.
1916[21:20:52] <Sleaker> but google doesn't release a drive client for linux officially.
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1956[21:39:47] <lapideviridi> I'm trying to use udev rules to bind two USB devices to static names for convenience, rather than them showing up as /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1. I need to know which is which. I followed these (replaced-url
1957[21:39:47] <lapideviridi> actually point to "ais_radio". I can still access gsm_modem modem by using /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB1. If I comment out either of the lines, the other rule works as intended after reboot. replaced-url
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2030[22:24:31] <thatpythonguy> anyone know how to increase cursor size in X? not using a DE
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2033[22:26:41] <jhutchins_wk> thatpythonguy: Might be something here: replaced-url
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2035[22:27:01] <jhutchins_wk> Oh, in X.
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2038[22:28:34] <jhutchins_wk> thatpythonguy: replaced-url
2039[22:29:28] <kek_> hi, I have a fresh install here and just got "Err replaced-url
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2043[22:32:21] <greycat> !jessie-updates
2044[22:32:22] <dpkg> jessie-updates was a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were included in point releases. replaced-url
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2054[22:37:17] <kek_> dpkg, so I have to update to a newer version of debian?
2055[22:37:18] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, kek_
2056[22:37:37] <kek_> ah ups lol
2057[22:37:39] <kek_> greycat, ^
2058[22:37:43] <greycat> You *should*. But what you *must* do right now is stop trying to use the jessie-updates source. Just remove it.
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2065[22:39:39] <kek_> greycat, ok thanks
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2077[22:49:53] <snipe> yooo
2078[22:50:01] <snipe> anyone using bitchx
2079[22:50:01] <snipe> >?
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2081[22:50:18] <greycat> ,popcon bitchx
2082[22:50:20] <judd> Popcon data for bitchx: inst: 32, vote: 12, old: 20, recent: 0, nofiles: 0
2083[22:50:24] <greycat> "No."
2084[22:50:41] <snipe> but well someone might be using it
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2088[22:52:28] <greycat> It's no longer packaged, so if someone's using it, they're using it from upstream (thus not tracked by popcon), or on an ancient version of Debian (pre-wheezy).
2089[22:52:45] <greycat> Why are you asking this?
2090[22:53:09] <snipe> cause i want to know why loading screen doesnt prompt original fonts from bitchx :P
2091[22:53:18] <snipe> showing squares nowdays
2092[22:53:34] <greycat> are you saying that YOU are using bitchx?
2093[22:54:13] <snipe> do you have a clue how to change realname ?
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2095[22:54:19] <snipe> username i say~
2096[22:54:20] <snipe> xD
2097[22:54:28] <greycat> "Yes, greycat, I am using bitchx and I have the following problem with it: ..."
2098[22:54:40] <greycat> It is not packaged in Debian and not supported here. Go ask in #bitchx.
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2129[23:12:24] <Wally> Is there a way to tell apt to just update plasma from unstable?
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2131[23:12:56] <snipe> add the unstable's on wiki
2132[23:13:00] <snipe> after main
2133[23:13:41] <Wally> I'm aware of adding unstable via /etc/apt/sources.list but I just want to ensure that only plasma is updated.
2134[23:13:44] <Wally> nothing else.
2135[23:14:31] <Sleaker> Wally: then make sure your apt command only installs plasma?
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2137[23:14:38] <Sleaker> eg: don't run dist-upgrade
2138[23:14:50] <Wally> Well it's more to be cautious just in case I do run dist-upgrade :P
2139[23:14:55] <Wally> as it's happened many times before.
2140[23:15:15] <Sleaker> Wally: the only way to prevent that is to pin the packages you don't want to update, but that prevents them from updating ever.
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2144[23:15:52] <Wally> yeah it's a bit tricky, maybe I just deal with Plasma until the next stable release. The reason I ask is I got a new laptop and I already installed Fedora.. Disliking it so i'm going to install Debian
2145[23:16:14] <Wally> my biggest quelm was that plasma was quite a bit out of date..
2146[23:16:26] <Wally> I suppose I could compile the latest version.
2147[23:16:33] <Sleaker> so adjust your apt lists to install the updated plasma after base installation, then remove unstable from your apt lists.
2148[23:16:51] <Sleaker> I fail to see how that's easier than just installing it from unstable.
2149[23:16:56] <Wally> Well that's true.
2150[23:17:31] <Wally> then i guess if a newer version comes out in stable it would superceed that one in unstable>
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2153[23:17:47] <Sleaker> +correct.
2154[23:17:52] <Sleaker> however, that's unlikely.
2155[23:17:58] <Wally> Yeah I figure, until Buster comes out
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2157[23:18:45] <Sleaker> uhh, testing is where buster is right now iirc, and it's frozen.
2158[23:19:02] <Wally> :)
2159[23:19:25] <Wally> Maybe I should just install Buster Testing.. I do like to live on the edge a little. heh
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2161[23:20:40] <Murgoth> Someone please help me create a crontab that runs at 12:00 always on the first Sunday of each month
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2166[23:23:29] <Wally> Sleaker thanks :)
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2168[23:24:13] <SerajewelKS> Murgoth: that's not really something you can do with cron, unless your script does additional checks. why not a systemd timer unit?
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2175[23:28:02] <SerajewelKS> Murgoth: a timer with this should work: OnCalendar=Sun *-*-1..7 12:00:)0
2176[23:28:14] <SerajewelKS> i meant 12:00:00 of course
2177[23:28:45] <Wally> Depends if they're talking 12 or 24 hour time though
2178[23:28:59] <ircarcs> SerajewelKS: maybe it's not GNU/Linux Debian but FreeBSD debian :) so cron with script :)
2179[23:29:03] <inclusa> quit
2180[23:29:09] <SerajewelKS> well there was no AM/PM specifier. in the absence of that, i assume 24 hour.
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2182[23:29:19] <Wally> SerajewelKS yeah it's safe to assume that ;)
2183[23:29:30] <ircarcs> or maybe not
2184[23:30:55] <Murgoth> Wally 24hour..
2185[23:31:09] <Wally> Better to be safe than sorry.
2186[23:31:16] <SerajewelKS> ircarcs: maybe. i've never seen anyone in here asking about debian freebsd. not saying it doesn't happen, but i'm not going to ask every person which they are using. i'll assume they are using the vastly more popular in the absence of an explicit specification.
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2188[23:31:53] <Murgoth> I found this template: 00 12 * * 7 [ $(date +\%d) -le 07 ] && /script
2189[23:32:11] <SerajewelKS> yep that can work too
2190[23:32:22] <ircarcs> SerajewelKS: right, sorry. i assume that i doo not have the answer right now !
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2195[23:32:54] <SerajewelKS> Murgoth: note that a systemd timer has other advantages. you can see when it was last run, as well as exactly when it is scheduled to run next (which makes it much easier to verify that your configuration is correct).
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2197[23:33:08] <SerajewelKS> OTOH, a timer has more obnoxious boilerplate
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2200[23:35:33] <SerajewelKS> Murgoth: timers also allow you to add random variance, which can be useful to avoid spikes. e.g. if you're administering a fleet of hundreds of VMs against an external service, you don't want a job on all of them to hit at exactly the same time.
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2203[23:36:01] <SerajewelKS> that will probably overload the host system and the external service. you can tell systemd to randomly vary the scheduled time within some number of seconds/minutes to try to distribute the load out over time.
2204[23:38:02] <Murgoth> SerajewelKS Thank you..
2205[23:38:24] <SerajewelKS> np
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2208[23:40:13] <SerajewelKS> (the certbot package in debian does this so that all debian boxes in the world aren't spiking the let's encrypt servers at the same time every day. the certbot timer is randomized within 12 hours.)
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