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0 [00:00:01] <JPT> Why would we need a kernel running on the local computer if we could just stream data into the cloud and execute whatever binary code it streams back?
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2 [00:00:27] <JPT> PXE-based AmazonKernel(tm)
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4 [00:00:39] <bingbotboom> js was client centric
5 [00:00:45] <EdePopede> it would be insane, bingbotboom, wouldn't it? surely it would not be not insane.
6 [00:01:03] <bingbotboom> why js
7 [00:01:08] <JPT> why not?
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9 [00:01:16] <bingbotboom> bloated
10 [00:01:31] <EdePopede> burning down the house (to cite #fridayforfuture)
11 [00:01:42] <JPT> But everyone can do js, thanks to the big collection of npm packages.
12 [00:01:58] <bionade24> bingbotboom: It's not bloated, it's just "feature-rich"
13 [00:02:05] <EdePopede> 8 cores are good for gaming, but what do they do when you only got a shell open?
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20 [00:02:46] <indomitable> uhhh, did I detach again? hm
21 [00:02:56] <bionade24> EdePopede: Use Hyper.js as Terminal and they won't be enough (In Real)
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23 [00:03:18] <bingbotboom> is absolutely bloated. try security scanning it
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25 [00:03:39] <EdePopede> "Hyper is an Electron" and then i closed the tab xD
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29 [00:04:38] <bionade24> EdePopede: :D Me too. Even I could have nyan cat as coursor
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31 [00:04:48] <bionade24> *though
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33 [00:05:14] <wald0> in fact, do we can -easly- avoid using systemd and stick at sysvinit ? (buster)
34 [00:05:34] <bingbotboom> alpine
35 [00:05:40] <indomitable> bionade24, people actually use that?
36 [00:05:41] <bingbotboom> secure
37 [00:05:49] <indomitable> are they drunk?
38 [00:05:58] <EdePopede> i gave Franz a try when M$ killed skype for linux. added some modules (no connection, don't even have accounts for all the networks) and for each it added 20% CPU load iirc
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43 [00:06:28] <bionade24> indomitable: Some stupid guys on MacOS, sadly yes
44 [00:06:34] <indomitable> lol
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46 [00:06:43] <indomitable> the people I've talked to from TC39 have been utter tools
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48 [00:06:57] <indomitable> airbnb likes this thing it seems
49 [00:07:03] <indomitable> they have some people on that horrible council of madness
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51 [00:07:44] <bionade24> indomitable: I even get agressive when shitty Slacks starts at work
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53 [00:08:00] <bionade24> *Slack
54 [00:08:14] <wald0> EdePopede: fortunately with today's phones nobody needs to lose time with skype :)
55 [00:08:17] <indomitable> bionade24, Slack isn't great, I agree, but what alternatives are there for sharing media etc? :p
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58 [00:08:50] <j0seph> indomitable, Matrix/Riot.im is a good alternative.
59 [00:08:56] <indomitable> ...is it though? :p
60 [00:09:02] <j0seph> Sure?
61 [00:09:05] <bionade24> indomitable: Matrix has IRC abilities
62 [00:09:32] <bingbotboom> pigeon?
63 [00:09:43] <bingbotboom> it has OTR
64 [00:09:44] <wald0> sharing media is against unix philosophy
65 [00:09:48] <indomitable> but no one knows how to set matrix up
66 [00:09:48] <indomitable> lol
67 [00:10:07] <EdePopede> omg, seems that even opening the Hyper startpage made firefox using most of my cpu
68 [00:10:47] <wald0> j0seph: you call a good alternative to Slack to something that depends on a modern WEB-browser? :)
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70 [00:10:55] <bionade24> :D What do you expect?
71 [00:11:06] <indomitable> I don't mind a browser
72 [00:11:13] <indomitable> meh
73 [00:11:20] <bionade24> wald0: Slack is also browser
74 [00:11:25] <wald0> indomitable: how much ram you have?
75 [00:11:37] <wald0> bionade24: oh, that's why is so bloated :)
76 [00:11:39] <j0seph> wald0: i call a something that is similar to slack a good alternative to Slack. And yes, Slack depends on a browser also.
77 [00:11:43] <indomitable> wald0, 16 gigabytes
78 [00:11:51] <wald0> indomitable: ok, that makes sense
79 [00:11:57] <indomitable> I never use more than 4
80 [00:11:59] <indomitable> so I dunno
81 [00:12:01] <wald0> i never had a machine with 16 gb ram lol
82 [00:12:06] <bingbotboom> browsers ate not anchors if all that's needed os a small task
83 [00:12:10] <indomitable> ah nvm, it#s 6 now
84 [00:12:11] <indomitable> lol
85 [00:12:12] <wald0> indomitable: and you use web? hum...
86 [00:12:14] <indomitable> curse you memory
87 [00:12:19] <bionade24> Slack performs same slow on 4GB RAM as on 32GB
88 [00:12:24] <indomitable> I have 34 tabs open
89 [00:12:28] <indomitable> they're using 1.4 gb
90 [00:12:29] <indomitable> seems legit
91 [00:12:30] <indomitable> :P
92 [00:12:42] <wald0> j0seph: no offense, i was joking :)
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94 [00:12:48] <bingbotboom> minimalist not
95 [00:13:26] <wald0> indomitable: mmh, which browser is that?
96 [00:13:27] <j0seph> wald0: oh, sorry. it's hard to pick up on text. :)
97 [00:13:28] <indomitable> stuff like slack exists to include all the non-technical people
98 [00:13:40] <indomitable> wald0, chromium based
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100 [00:14:12] <wald0> indomitable: (old versions at least) of chrom* used a ton of ram per each tab
101 [00:14:18] <bingbotboom> well non techy folk suck time
102 [00:14:35] <bingbotboom> obstacles are good
103 [00:14:40] <wald0> indomitable: then the world is broken, why non-technical people should be in the techinical world? lol
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105 [00:14:54] <j0seph> wald0: if they want to learn.
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109 [00:15:17] <wald0> j0seph: they will never learn from bad teachings
110 [00:15:22] <wald0> anything good *
111 [00:15:33] <j0seph> wald0: which teachings are these?
112 [00:15:43] <wald0> "treat your users as stupids and you will have stupid users", that was not a Linus sentence? i never found it again on internet...
113 [00:16:32] <indomitable> wald0, because technical people can't do their jobs
114 [00:16:35] <indomitable> they're busy doing technical shit
115 [00:16:49] <wald0> j0seph: bad / bloated / ugly stuff, browsers, js, php, nodejs, slack... start with C, then move to something lol, and reading the unix philosophies should be a pretty needed thing imho
116 [00:16:58] <wald0> at least just the rules of it
117 [00:17:01] <indomitable> I don't think wald0 has any non-nerd friends
118 [00:17:01] <indomitable> lol
119 [00:17:03] <wald0> one-page rules
120 [00:17:06] <indomitable> or family
121 [00:17:10] <indomitable> or acquaintances
122 [00:17:30] <wald0> lol
123 [00:17:31] <indomitable> should diversify your friendships so you understand other perspectives but your own
124 [00:17:36] <j0seph> ^
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126 [00:17:46] <bingbotboom> nice boy, code?
127 [00:17:53] <indomitable> whole point of humanity is to be diverse in our abilities and tasks
128 [00:17:59] <indomitable> or we'd be eaten by tigers a long time ago
129 [00:18:25] <bingbotboom> wald0 where is your source
130 [00:18:30] <indomitable> he's not a bot
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132 [00:18:51] <indomitable> he's just someone who spent too much time with people who wouldn't mind TUIng forever
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134 [00:19:34] <indomitable> the knowhow required to successfully program C and rely on TUI is _staggering_ compared to what you can accomplish in simpler languages where guis and proper IDEs exist with much less
135 [00:19:49] <wald0> indomitable: how i can understand other perspectives if everybody else is wrong?
136 [00:19:56] <indomitable> wald0, lol.
137 [00:20:12] <j0seph> is that another joke? lol
138 [00:20:17] <indomitable> j0seph, no, he's just oblivious :p
139 [00:21:18] <wald0> indomitable: yeah but the thing is that by -learning- (i didnt say using) C, people will understand better how a machine / code / program works, and will not make bloated sh*t like most of todays applications
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141 [00:21:30] <indomitable> wald0, but at this point it doesn't MATTER if they understand
142 [00:21:36] <indomitable> Because almost nothing they see is working that way now
143 [00:21:46] <indomitable> Everything is a layer of abstraction on top of another layer of abstraction
144 [00:21:50] <bingbotboom> IDE's are massive bloated... training wheels for newbs
145 [00:22:12] <indomitable> memorizing random bullshit isn't what I call productive
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147 [00:22:13] <indomitable> lol
148 [00:22:18] <indomitable> einstein agrees
149 [00:22:33] <indomitable> "Never memorize something that you can look up."
150 [00:22:36] <indomitable> IDEs look things up for you.
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152 [00:22:47] <bingbotboom> netbeans or eclipse sap 8Gb to hello world
153 [00:23:05] <indomitable> no one uses those anyway, it's all intellij these days
154 [00:23:30] <indomitable> anyway it is bedtime
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156 [00:24:44] <bingbotboom> sdk has iy all there you
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158 [00:24:59] <bla> I'm recruiting programmers from time to time and it's a real pain that they don't currently know how the stuff works.
159 [00:25:03] <bionade24> As I'm only 16, I can tell you most young use JS and I'm very exotic with C++. And they write bad, even in JS. No one cares about optimization.
160 [00:25:10] <wald0> it matters in the sense that we are living in a bloated world
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162 [00:25:28] <wald0> uselessly bloated*
163 [00:25:56] <bingbotboom> intellij is paid
164 [00:26:29] <j0seph> Community version isn't.
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167 [00:26:53] <bingbotboom> is it gel
168 [00:27:04] <bingbotboom> gpl
169 [00:27:13] <bionade24> No it isn't
170 [00:27:29] <bingbotboom> that matters a bit
171 [00:27:34] <j0seph> Apache 2.0
172 [00:28:36] <bingbotboom> these proprietary toys always buy lock-in
173 [00:29:19] <bionade24> You could also use KDevelop, written in C++ instead of Java, much faster & under GPL
174 [00:29:24] <bionade24> Or QtCreator
175 [00:29:32] <bla> Or Emacs.
176 [00:29:35] <bla> Just sayin'
177 [00:29:37] <bionade24> Or vim
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179 [00:29:55] <wald0> or gcc :)
180 [00:29:57] <j0seph> I would use emacs, but I have two arms and not three.
181 [00:30:02] <bingbotboom> name
182 [00:30:11] <bingbotboom> lol
183 [00:30:27] <bionade24> Cool Hipsters use Atom, of course
184 [00:30:55] <j0seph> curse atom to the depths of the abyss
185 [00:31:22] <bla> Growing number of people in my neighborhood uses Visual Studio Code.
186 [00:31:30] <bionade24> :D This bullshit needs more than 8GB of RAM for a editor
187 [00:31:37] <bingbotboom> eew
188 [00:32:00] <wald0> i wonder why web related languages was so successfull on this world..
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190 [00:32:08] <bionade24> bla: I hope the Open Source packaged Variant and not the official package from MS
191 [00:32:18] <wald0> the world stopped to write real apps to write web apps
192 [00:32:39] <bionade24> wald0: Because of shitty Frameworks
193 [00:32:54] <bla> bionade24: no idea. It's better than Atom though. Probably better than notepad++ too.
194 [00:32:57] <j0seph> bla, in spite of VSC being a product born of MS and formed by Electron, I'm quite surprised at how much I like it.
195 [00:33:18] <wald0> the world is in decadence
196 [00:33:21] <j0seph> I use it on occasion
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198 [00:33:47] <bionade24> bla: Most people believe VS Code is OSS, but the Package ISN'T!!!
199 [00:33:47] <bla> Yeah, probably one of the sparse things MS did right.
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201 [00:34:28] <bionade24> Their package is proprietairy and not under MIT license
202 [00:34:46] <bla> I probably won't use it, unless Debian packages it one day.
203 [00:34:56] <bingbotboom> eh this is a good channel.. some clever geeks here
204 [00:35:25] <bionade24> replaced-url
205 [00:35:29] <bla> I'm *really* happy with Emacs though. Emacs + tmux. I recently even code in it using a Android tablet with termux+mosh while on the bus.
206 [00:35:31] <j0seph> bingbotboom: just don't take anything people say in a casual manner too seriously, aha
207 [00:36:18] <bionade24> bla: There is a project on GH packaging it, it was already asked if they could add it into Repos.
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209 [00:36:40] <bingbotboom> yeah its shop talk and that's good when tech is tehr business
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212 [00:39:00] <j0seph> One of my lecturers for my operating systems course was an Emacs user and constantly referred to it as the 'one true editor'
213 [00:40:09] <bla> We're known for our perfect sense of humour.
214 [00:40:43] <binaryhermit> I use nano, shrug
215 [00:40:50] <bingbotboom> I use nano
216 [00:41:07] <binaryhermit> but I use a text editor so little the learning curve is too much to bother with\
217 [00:41:10] <j0seph> I use nano for editing single lines in config files. that's about it.
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219 [00:41:21] <bla> I use vim for that...
220 [00:41:46] <bingbotboom> whatever quick
221 [00:41:50] <j0seph> bla: funny, I use vim for the more extensive terminal-based text writing needs
222 [00:42:16] <bla> Vim is ok. And is fast enough that nano is really not an option for anything for me.
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224 [00:42:59] <bingbotboom> does.vim autoformat code
225 [00:43:44] <bingbotboom> does vim have predictive suggestion
226 [00:44:00] <bionade24> bingbotboom: If you want so, yes. Vim has vimscript
227 [00:44:04] <bingbotboom> no... so I just is name
228 [00:44:30] <j0seph> bingbotboom: in the case of Python at least, it can tell when you need to indent.
229 [00:45:01] <j0seph> No autosuggest by default, though.
230 [00:45:04] <bionade24> You can implement most things into vim with vimscript
231 [00:45:14] <bingbotboom> yeah cool
232 [00:45:23] <j0seph> vim has a plethora of plugins too, yeah.
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234 [00:47:02] <bionade24> Some people even got vim so bloated that it was as slow as Atom. Has anyone ever used nvim and does it solve this problem?
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239 [00:48:20] <bingbotboom> nano solved it
240 [00:48:43] <bingbotboom> passive resistance
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255 [01:02:17] <zophyx> hi
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262 [01:04:26] <zophyx> can i send email from my laptop using my hotels' wireless to gmail.com ?, or does gmail.com reject private cable ip addresses ?
263 [01:04:29] <zophyx> hmm ?
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265 [01:04:42] <ikerDePount> Hey
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267 [01:05:55] <ikerDePount> I'm having a issue on stretch. I deleted a folder but it still comes back.
268 [01:05:58] <bionade24> zophyx: Why should they do so? Otherwise use VPN
269 [01:06:40] <bionade24> ikerDePount: Script generated?
270 [01:06:49] <zophyx> bionade24: i can't email to gmail.com from my linode.com vps either
271 [01:07:28] <zophyx> also
272 [01:07:31] <mvaenskae> zophyx: running your email service?
273 [01:07:32] <bla> You can most certainly mail them. They can mark it as SPAM though.
274 [01:07:40] <zophyx> exim4
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276 [01:08:24] <mvaenskae> i assume that is a program; i am more talking of whether you are self-hosting emails on your own domain or trying to use gmail services with your own account
277 [01:08:25] <zophyx> mail -s test_mail account@gmail.com ....
278 [01:08:27] <bionade24> My own mail server is accepted on Gmail
279 [01:08:39] <zophyx> darn
280 [01:09:03] <bionade24> Did you set the DNS records for DKIM?
281 [01:09:24] <zophyx> bionade24: don't know what that is
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283 [01:09:58] <bionade24> DKIM signing by your mail sever (like PGP sign)
284 [01:10:17] <bionade24> replaced-url
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292 [01:14:09] <zophyx> bionade24: oh, i see my hotel sent emails are in the spam folder
293 [01:14:10] <srukle> SPF might be easier to setup first. DKIM will take some effort.
294 [01:14:43] <srukle> In particular, SPF, DKIM, and DMARC are used to verify emails.
295 [01:14:44] <zophyx> that is actually progress :)
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297 [01:15:56] <zophyx> bla: oh, i see my hotel sent emails are in the spam folder
298 [01:16:23] <bla> zophyx: to do it "easily" - drop the exim. Use smtps to mail mail using a generic account over SMTP - this can be even a GMAIL account.
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300 [01:16:37] <bla> zophyx: should work better for devices on the move like laptops in hotel wifis
301 [01:16:44] <srukle> In GMail, can you check the source of the email to determine why it was sent to your spam? Generally email services will have meta data that explains why it was sorted to junk.
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304 [01:20:31] <zophyx> bla: sure, i've done that, but using exim4 is more interesting and gmail has a page about setting up SPF for domains
305 [01:21:07] <zophyx> thanks for the clues !
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307 [01:22:10] <zophyx> replaced-url
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309 [01:22:51] <zophyx> i might build a tutorial page about this for debian users
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321 [01:34:08] <srukle> Fortunately it's not too complicated unless you care about general security. :)
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363 [03:05:55] <bingbotboom> how do we get an irc cloak
364 [03:06:21] <bingbotboom> I'm in #freenode asking..
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366 [03:07:54] <rabbitear_sdf> tor?
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369 [03:08:26] <icarious> Is there a live installer of Debian?
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371 [03:08:57] <themill> there are live images and there are installer images. (installing via the live image is not recommended)
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374 [03:09:51] <icarious> themill: Yes I am aware of the live images. Was curious if were any based on the likes of Ubiquity / Calamares
375 [03:10:05] <zophyx> themill: oooh, what you just said is provacative
376 [03:10:16] <zophyx> !
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378 [03:11:25] <zophyx> themill: no reflection upon you you is intended, but i would think that the live installer would be a shining element in the debian community
379 [03:11:58] <themill> only if people volunteer to fix bugs
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381 [03:12:04] <zophyx> themill: heh
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386 [03:14:04] <zophyx> themill: is there any scuttlebut about galliumos ?
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389 [03:16:51] <zophyx> i had to buy a $10.88 usb keyboard to use with 2.1 to install 3.0 alpha heh heh, i love diversity and chaos !!!
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391 [03:17:21] <themill> Wrong channel?
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394 [03:18:06] <zophyx> but this $150 chromebook ubuntu/franken/deb system rocks, and we owe it all to debian
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400 [03:20:53] <zophyx> i notice that when i search the internet for things about debian far less noob crap comes up than the flood of idiocy about ubuntu that existed a couple of years ago
401 [03:21:18] <zophyx> but, i do tend to digress from the channel topic, sorry
402 [03:22:08] <zophyx> i am glad that the commuinty of linux matures and expands
403 [03:22:39] <zophyx> community
404 [03:23:37] <zophyx> not to be confused with the out of vogue communism references that are sorely missing from public discussion
405 [03:23:47] <zophyx> but i'll stop
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407 [03:24:24] <binaryhermit> I think the reason that's like that is that ubuntu has more of a reputation of being user friendly and/or polished so it attracts noobs
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409 [03:25:34] <zophyx> of course, i love the diversity that is inherent in the gnu/linux philosophy
410 [03:26:16] <zophyx> evabody gets their jollies and it makes the universe a better pkace to be in
411 [03:26:31] <binaryhermit> I've used ubuntu, and I have a server that's still ubuntu, but I'm moving toward debian
412 [03:28:20] <bingbotboom> mother debian
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416 [03:32:17] <zophyx> i have'nt explored the deep downs of ubutntu, so for the essential build capabilities and server capabilities i can only rely upon the community to police any departures from security or reliability
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419 [03:34:02] <zophyx> i left my $1200 hp laptop in arizona and am forced to gallium/ubuntu on a $150 chromebook
420 [03:34:08] <zophyx> arghh
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423 [03:35:27] <zophyx> heh, ubut-you or something :)
424 [03:35:35] <LikWidChz> anyone able to assist with a weird putting a wireless card into monitor mode question?
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428 [03:36:35] <zophyx> using wireshark can be a pleasure
429 [03:36:54] <LikWidChz> yeah thats one thing I need to get better using lots of ish.
430 [03:37:29] <zophyx> wireshark can teach you what you don't know :)
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528 [05:03:36] <justthedoctor> Hello, i could use a little help if at all possible? i am running a debian 9 vps server install from linode and i am trying to self compile somethings i need compiled on my server.. First i am trying to compile gcc-4.9.0
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530 [05:07:31] <peylight> Hello @justthedoctor, Yes please answer the question.
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532 [05:08:02] <justthedoctor> what question peylight ?
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537 [05:15:34] <jmcnaught> justthedoctor: hello, you don't need to ask to ask. If you provide a detailed question someone might see it and be able to help.
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540 [05:26:11] <justthedoctor> jmcnaught: im trying to compile gcc 4.9.0 from source on debian 9, without having to use apt-get and i want to install it to a specific dir but i cant find any guides to help me with it and when i try to do it how i see, i get a couple errors..
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546 [05:31:48] <justthedoctor> ok so in the gcc-4.9.0 dir (source code) i did ./configure --prefix /home/user/deps/gcc4.9.0 and i get this error
547 [05:31:49] <justthedoctor> replaced-url
548 [05:32:12] <justthedoctor> can anyone point me in the right direction?
549 [05:33:44] <justthedoctor> ugh that didnt even give the error in it, sorry..
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551 [05:33:57] <justthedoctor> configure: error: in `/home/*/uncompiled-source/gcc-4.9.0':
552 [05:33:57] <justthedoctor> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
553 [05:35:28] <jmcnaught> justthedoctor: you probably need to install the build-essential package which will pull in a few things including a C compiler (gcc)
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556 [05:36:13] <justthedoctor> will i be able to compile to a specific dir (Not global just what would be needed if i point the compiler to the proper directories?
557 [05:37:01] <jmcnaught> the configure script probably takes a --prefix=/foo/bar argument
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559 [05:38:15] <jmcnaught> why do you need to compile gcc 4.9? maybe it would be easier to add jessie (debian 8) repos and install gcc-4.9 from there?
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561 [05:38:51] <justthedoctor> configure: error: I suspect your system does not have 32-bit developement libraries
562 [05:38:56] <justthedoctor> how can i remedy that?
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565 [05:39:17] <justthedoctor> i want to compile all the deps for the main app i am trying to compile
566 [05:39:20] <themill> justthedoctor: out of interest, why are you trying to do any of this?
567 [05:39:25] <themill> details would help
568 [05:39:29] <justthedoctor> but i dont want to override default system settings to do it
569 [05:40:03] <justthedoctor> GCC 4.9.0 OpenSSL 1.0.1g Berkeley DB 5.3.28.NC Boost 1.55.0 miniupnpc 1.9.20140401
570 [05:40:26] <jmabsd> Here comes a really exotic question: I have a Mac Pro desktop computer, with a Geforce card in it, that the Mac's UEFI firmware will NOT launch at boot to use as boot console. Accordingly then, Linux also will NOT use it as boot console, BUT, Debian's X will use the Geforce as monitor. Is there any way I can make Debian initialize and use the Geforce card as monitor also for the boot console?
571 [05:40:54] <themill> justthedoctor: so your end goal is miniupnpc?
572 [05:41:05] <justthedoctor> no,
573 [05:41:55] <justthedoctor> my end goal is to compile a crypto-currency daemon without using apt-get install to install what deps deb9 installs because debian 9 has higher versions of what this needs.
574 [05:42:49] <justthedoctor> fixed my gcc problem
575 [05:42:52] <justthedoctor> sudo apt-get install gcc-multilib did t
576 [05:42:53] <justthedoctor> it*
577 [05:43:27] <themill> sounds like a bad plan - given cryptocurrencies seem to last about 10 min each, if the thing you're compiling can't cope with packages in stretch because they're too new, it's definitely time to walk away
578 [05:44:07] <justthedoctor> themill: i know what version to install and get apt-get to give me the proper versions, but my END END END goal is to have a directory with multiple versions of all those deps installed, so i can attempt to upgrade the crypto in question
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580 [05:44:47] <justthedoctor> themill: im trying to make it so that the one in question will work with recent versions of the dependancies
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591 [05:51:25] <GasparZJhones> IDENTIFY GasparZJhones 9083611
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597 [05:52:44] <GasparZJhones> identify GasparZJhones 9083611
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599 [05:54:00] <GasparZJhones_> IDENTIFY GasparZJhones 9083611
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601 [05:54:59] <themill> GasparZJhones_: this isn't working out so well for you...
602 [05:55:35] <GasparZJhones_> Yes :(
603 [05:56:01] <justthedoctor> ugh apparently it still failed.
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667 [07:09:32] <tp43_> Hi, I am having trouble install nvidia drivers, it says unmet dependencies
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675 [07:19:01] <tp43_> First I enabled backports as it said to do, then installed nvidia-detect and then it said to install nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver but when I try to install it is "unmet dependencies".
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682 [07:21:07] <themill> !bat
683 [07:21:07] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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686 [07:21:51] <tp43_> thx themill I got it, I didn't need backports, I just needed to add contrib non-free to the existing stretch repos in my sources.list
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727 [07:55:31] <jm_> Yep, I cant get it done, install nvidia drivers with cuda. I have old one. nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver
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733 [07:59:08] <jm_> reboot, brbr
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748 [08:21:09] <mvaenskae> how can i find out what upstream version a debian package uses?
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751 [08:22:59] <mvaenskae> ah, found this luckily :) replaced-url
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758 [08:29:54] <justthedoctor> i am trying to compile gcc-4.9.0 on debian 9 replaced-url
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764 [08:37:27] <jelly> justthedoctor, help that isn't "why not use debian 8 if it's gcc-4.9 you need"?
765 [08:37:56] <justthedoctor> because i want deb 9?
766 [08:38:10] <jelly> and you want it because...?
767 [08:38:19] * jelly looks at the backlog
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836 [09:40:07] <Mimiko> Hello
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847 [09:48:44] <shtrb> Hi, anyone have interacted with NL-Alert or EU-Alert over IP and can share how it was done ?
848 [09:49:00] <shtrb> And if you can just use debian to access the resources
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899 [10:36:10] <tp43_> anyone can help me setup cuda for blender3d? I have legacy 340xx driver installed
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910 [10:46:33] <tp43_> I have legacy 340xx driver installed. How can I verify it is being used? When I open blender3d, it doesn't have cuda option.
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915 [10:57:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> you should probably check if the correct kernel module is installed with lsmod …
916 [10:57:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> and you can see what files it opens and if they are the correct library files with strace -f -e open blender 2>&1 | less
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923 [11:03:23] <tp43_> CutMeOwnThroat, not sure, very cryptic info
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925 [11:03:40] <tp43_> lsmod shows me there nvidia
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945 [11:11:57] <Omarian> hi
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976 [11:44:40] <aZz7eCh> i have an external drive .. it is encrypted and requires log in info to access it. well, it did. I seem to have checked a box to always remember the credentials for the encrypted volume and so plug it in, up it comes ... :/
977 [11:45:00] <aZz7eCh> where in gnome can I undo this so that it goes back to wanting credentials when plugged into my pc
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979 [11:46:28] <indomitable> aZz7eCh, LOL
980 [11:46:32] <indomitable> :DDDDD
981 [11:46:39] <indomitable> point of encryption, gone
982 [11:46:55] <aZz7eCh> ikr
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986 [11:48:32] <aZz7eCh> okay i got it... it had a device name i wasnt recognizing in Passwords & Keys
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988 [11:48:37] <L4231> Hello
989 [11:48:39] <aZz7eCh> sorted. TY
990 [11:48:54] <L4231> how to check many file availability with curl or wget
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992 [11:49:13] <L4231> i have one link like a replaced-url
993 [11:49:27] <L4231> i want to check which file like 0-5000 is availability
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1024 [12:07:32] <tp43_> I think I have cuda installed but not idea if so
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1111 [13:28:51] <zamuro> Google tiene chorrocientos mil tutoriales para eso.
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1113 [13:30:11] <zamuro> Al menos ten la decencia de leer un poco antes de pedir que te vengam a hacer el trabajo por ti.
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1116 [13:31:30] <zamuro> Actualiza al menos a jessie.
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1120 [13:33:28] <SwedeMike> !es | zamuro
1121 [13:33:38] <zamuro> lol!!!
1122 [13:33:45] <zamuro> Wrong server. Sorry.
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1138 [13:45:30] <aruna> hi running Debian 8.11 Jessie I can't get my usb wifi adapter to work. Any ideas how to go about things please ? lspci shows RTL8111/8168/8411. ifconfig -a shows etho and lo but no wlan0
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1140 [13:46:10] <indomitable> have you tried turning it off and on again?
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1166 [14:11:38] <warai_otoko2> aruna: there exists a realtek-firmware package in the repos if I remember correctly
1167 [14:11:49] <shtrb> aruna, missing firmware
1168 [14:12:10] <warai_otoko2> aruna: just check if your adapter is supported by this package
1169 [14:12:20] <shtrb> dmest |grep -i firmware would give you information about what file is missing
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1172 [14:13:48] <martin-_-_> hi, I got from one file libattr libattr.so.1 and libattr.so.1.1.0 what does this number means?
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1174 [14:13:55] <martin-_-_> and shouldn't there any libattr.so ?
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1176 [14:15:53] <shtrb> ,v file libattr.so
1177 [14:15:54] <judd> Package: file on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.11-2+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 5.11-2+deb7u9; jessie: 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u4; stretch-security: 1:5.30-1+deb9u1; stretch: 1:5.30-1+deb9u2; sid: 1:5.35-2; buster: 1:5.35-4
1178 [14:16:00] <shtrb> martin-_-_, ^
1179 [14:16:22] <shtrb> !divert
1180 [14:16:22] <dpkg> Don't try to convince dpkg to overwrite files and don't start playing with "--force" options for dpkg. Instead, "divert" one of the files out of the way so that there is no conflict. See man dpkg-divert and also replaced-url
1181 [14:17:33] <Tayo> Is there a debian meta packages which combines all the packages necessary to Upgrade Mesa and OpenGL? Seems a lot of packages are involved in this process and i am not able to find them out
1182 [14:19:20] <martin-_-_> i build the lib from source and it created this lib.so lib.so.1 lib.so.1.1 and so on
1183 [14:19:42] <martin-_-_> so I'm curious whats the attend of this variations of lib.so.*
1184 [14:19:55] <martin-_-_> -attend = purpose
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1245 [15:25:25] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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1269 [15:54:54] <petn-randall> martin-_-_: Those are so versions. Every time the ABI changes, the so version gets bumped. This allows several library versions to be installed in parallel.
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1308 [16:20:15] <hays> is there a timeline set for buster moving to stable
1309 [16:20:22] <hays> or it a when its ready thing
1310 [16:21:42] <hays> forgive me if this is the wrong place-- the #debian-next channel is invite only
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1312 [16:22:45] <dvs> !wwbr
1313 [16:22:46] <dpkg> Debian 10 "Buster" start the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019. replaced-url
1314 [16:22:59] <dvs> ooooooo! A timeline!
1315 [16:24:43] <hays> great, thanks!
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1318 [16:27:13] <ychaouche> guys, I want to enable unattended upgrades on my debian server, I installed unattended-upgrades and apt-listchanges, modified a config file for unattended-updates and ran unattended-updates -d, it seems it stopped on first error of first package and didn't try to upgrade the other upgradable packages. Is this normal behavior ? here's /var/log/unattended-upgrades/upattended-upgrades.log : replaced-url
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1320 [16:27:48] <ychaouche> Also, do I still have to run apt-get update manually from times to times ?
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1345 [16:51:21] <CHIrl> how can i make it so that firefox can't crash debian? i mean, restrict its' resource access and such to a reasonable amount
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1351 [16:58:37] <ychaouche> CHIrl, are you using KDE ?
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1353 [16:59:33] <ychaouche> there's ksysguard which let you renice all firefox processes and repriotize its I/O
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1356 [16:59:38] <CHIrl> mate. if it would help, i can switch to xfce or similar
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1359 [17:00:53] <ychaouche> CHIrl, I think you can acheive the same with htop though
1360 [17:00:58] <ychaouche> there's a key for that
1361 [17:01:17] <ychaouche> htop works in the console with ncurses UI so you should be good no matter DE you're using.
1362 [17:01:27] <CHIrl> alright i'll look into it
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1400 [17:28:57] <rant> allows nice in profile
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1558 [19:19:43] <atahabaki> hello, I'm searching for Google Summer of Code for developing open source project for debian.
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1564 [19:21:36] <atahabaki> Oh, Hello anyone here?
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1567 [19:23:32] <rant> nope, nobody here but us chickens
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1601 [19:38:32] <avalchev`> Hi *, I want to create apt package from replaced-url
1602 [19:38:47] <avalchev`> It's APL
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1604 [19:39:15] <avalchev`> Is it a problem to create a copy into salsa.debian.org
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1606 [19:43:04] <sokrat> what could be the reason that I am unable to connect to this channel using my client in android?
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1613 [19:46:41] <EdePopede> sokrat, you are here now. what doesn't work as expected?
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1615 [19:47:16] <sokrat> now i am here using my pc, android client problem still persists
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1618 [19:48:24] <EdePopede> ah. so, can you connect to the network on android?
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1630 [19:54:22] <sokrat> nope, it could be that i m using an SSL port to connect to freenode?
1631 [19:54:42] <indomitable> sokrat, what issue are you having? o_O
1632 [19:54:57] <indomitable> sokrat, you might have to be logged in to be in #debian, I don't know
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1635 [19:56:29] <sokrat> logged into where?
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1642 [19:58:22] <bla> Check the mode of the channel. Maybe you need to register with nickserv.
1643 [19:58:31] <bla> I'm not sure; I'm registered though.
1644 [19:59:14] <indomitable> hmmm I don't thikn you have to be
1645 [19:59:16] <indomitable> he isn't registered right now
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1648 [19:59:27] <indomitable> sokrat, is it just this channel?
1649 [19:59:31] <indomitable> maybe you wereb anned lol
1650 [19:59:58] <bla> Heh. There's some ban list (20 entries). ;d
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1653 [20:00:56] <sokrat> for instance, i managed to get into #python channel
1654 [20:01:12] <indomitable> sokrat, you're probably banned or prevented due to some network thing then :p gateway
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1656 [20:01:37] <ciridae> hi
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1658 [20:01:45] <bla> sokrat: whats your nick on the android?
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1660 [20:01:52] <sokrat> same
1661 [20:01:57] <sokrat> sokrat
1662 [20:01:59] <indomitable> what's your IP on android? :P
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1668 [20:03:22] <bla> Eeeeh. Can't have THE SAME nick. You're probably not on freenode then.
1669 [20:03:38] <bla> Or you're not currently logged. If so - can't check.
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1675 [20:08:00] <sokrat> changed it to sokrat1, but it then gave me thenickname sokrat2, ip is 176.88.90.85
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1700 [20:16:01] <karlpinc> avalchev`: Ask on the #debian-mentors channel.
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1749 [20:51:09] <karlpinc> avalchev`: Looks like #debian-mentors is on irc.otfc.net, not freenode.
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1772 [21:16:46] <bipul> Hi.
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1774 [21:17:18] <bipul> How to install Debian server on Virtualbox silently. Anyone know the way?
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1787 [21:28:05] <bla> Hashicorp packer + debian installer seed file?
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1791 [21:28:20] <indomitable> bipul, docker? :P
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1793 [21:28:45] <bla> (preseed it's called).
1794 [21:28:51] <bipul> docker no i am using Virtualbox
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1796 [21:29:25] <bipul> bla oh thank you, i know but do you know any working example where i can learn and implement?
1797 [21:29:47] <bla> I can paste you on /query my packer config
1798 [21:29:53] <bla> preseeds you can find on the net I guess.
1799 [21:30:05] <bla> Want?
1800 [21:30:09] <bipul> yes
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1808 [21:33:42] <bipul> bla Your doing with packer, i am looking someway to put preseed file in Virtualbox, and call the unattended installation.
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1812 [21:35:01] <bla> You can put it on install media
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1814 [21:35:37] <bipul> You mean i need to modify the .iso image?
1815 [21:35:38] <bla> replaced-url
1816 [21:36:02] <bla> You can also use a webserver and just put URL to the installed during boot
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1818 [21:36:12] <bla> That is what packer does.
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1820 [21:36:48] <bipul> ok great thank you.
1821 [21:37:30] <bipul> bla And i'm looking for offical link where i can download .iso file for Debian server
1822 [21:38:00] <bla> There's no "Debian server" - It's just Debian really.
1823 [21:38:15] <bla> You can find netinst images for example for current stable (stretch) release.
1824 [21:38:20] <bipul> How to use debian as a server
1825 [21:38:24] <bipul> ?
1826 [21:38:26] <bipul> ok
1827 [21:38:33] <bla> Uhm. Normally. Put server stuff on it.
1828 [21:38:35] <bla> :)
1829 [21:38:51] <bla> Maybe refrain from playing games on it.
1830 [21:39:00] <bipul> ok
1831 [21:39:01] <bipul> :)
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1833 [21:39:10] <iLOVEgermanSLUTS> i <3 juicy cunts
1834 [21:39:14] <iLOVEgermanSLUTS> i <3 juicy cunts
1835 [21:39:14] <iLOVEgermanSLUTS> i <3 juicy cunts
1836 [21:39:15] <iLOVEgermanSLUTS> i <3 juicy cunts
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1853 [21:51:49] <sokrat> is there a way to turn off user login/off notifications in a channel?
1854 [21:51:56] <indomitable> in which client? :p
1855 [21:52:25] <indomitable> bla I am trying to find games to play on my raspberry pi via ssh
1856 [21:52:35] <indomitable> I might have to make some since there aren't a lot of good ones around
1857 [21:53:28] <sokrat> atomic - i managed to connect in android
1858 [21:54:02] <sokrat> put in a non-ssl port made it work
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1860 [21:54:15] <indomitable> ...that isn't *it* *working* lol
1861 [21:54:15] <indomitable> XD
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1863 [21:54:23] <indomitable> that's you leaving your communications wide open for the world to see
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1871 [21:56:38] <sokrat> let me try again
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1876 [21:58:59] <aPpYe> is it lightdm that handles the brightness (or overlay?) that goes over the background image on the lock screen? I would like my backgrounds to display at full brightness.
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1880 [22:01:39] <bla> indomitable: nethack though.
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1890 [22:06:46] <indomitable> I mean sure
1891 [22:06:50] <indomitable> but I want something different
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1893 [22:06:59] <indomitable> I want a cyberpunk-y type of nethack-y thing
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1900 [22:17:39] <johnjay> does the latest debian handbook discuss systemd in detail?
1901 [22:17:46] <johnjay> or is it the other one i need to read
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1903 [22:25:48] <tdn> I want to host a simple IRC server on a local network. Which package is easiest to get working? I just need something simple, and it is not going on the internet.
1904 [22:25:55] <tdn> Debian 9
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1909 [22:31:00] <EdePopede> tdn: i'd go for unreal, since it is the most popular one (could help with support)
1910 [22:31:29] <EdePopede> i also only had it running here to look at it years ago, but even building from source wasn't an issue
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1930 [22:39:46] <kieto> Hi, can anybody help me fix this? I've uninstalled some package dependencies and I think one of them is needed to upgrade the system replaced-url
1931 [22:40:06] <kieto> I've removed iputils-ping and resolvconf, maybe one of those is responsible for these errors?
1932 [22:40:10] <jmcnaught> johnjay: I think both the reference and the handbook have a pretty light intro to systemd. I think this blog series is pretty good: replaced-url
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1934 [22:40:57] <kieto> I can't resolve any hostname
1935 [22:42:01] <jmcnaught> kieto: what is in your /etc/resolv.conf?
1936 [22:42:11] <johnjay> thanks jmcnaught
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1939 [22:43:07] <kieto> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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1942 [22:45:06] <jmcnaught> kieto: do you have a nameserver of some sort running on localhost? Maybe you did before you removed some packages. Have you tried refreshing DHCP?
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1945 [22:46:01] <kieto> jmcnaught: I've already rebooted the machine twice and the same errors are happening. But I don't have "ping" installed anymore, that's why I'm wondering if the problem is there
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1947 [22:47:59] <jmcnaught> This is unrelated to not having ping. Your /etc/resolv.conf file is telling everything on your system to look up DNS domains on localhost, and clearly your computer doesn't have anything running there (anymore)
1948 [22:48:48] <kieto> jmcnaught: that makes sense, since I've just uninstalled pi-hole replaced-url
1949 [22:49:21] <jmcnaught> kieto: how is your network connection configured? Can you make a paste of your /etc/network/interfaces file?
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1955 [22:50:43] <kieto> jmcnaught: okay, that fixed it! I just replaced the nameserver with the DNS servers stored on my router (the same ones from the Arch Linux machine from where I'm writing this) and it can now resolve :)
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1957 [22:50:51] <kieto> thanks a lot!
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1972 [22:59:13] <tdn> EdePopede, it does not seem to be included in the packages.
1973 [22:59:25] <tdn> EdePopede, would really like something simple that just works and that is apt-get install'able.
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1976 [23:02:37] <kieto> jmcnaught: hmmm, a reboot of the machine has been overwritten and it's showing 127.0.0.1 again
1977 [23:02:59] <kieto> *has overwritten the resolv.conf file
1978 [23:03:27] <jhutchins> Is there a reason to enable any SSL Protocol besides TLSv1.2?
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1982 [23:04:03] <dvs> isn't there a v1.3?
1983 [23:04:07] <jmcnaught> kieto: it looks like you're using dhcpcd which Debian doesn't use by default. Are you using raspian?
1984 [23:04:24] <kieto> jmcnaught: yes, specifically OSMC
1985 [23:04:36] <jhutchins> dvs: Not sure it's supported.
1986 [23:04:41] <dvs> ah
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1989 [23:05:20] <jmcnaught> kieto: you're better off asking in the channel for your distro then since it configures networks differently than how Debian does
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1991 [23:05:41] <jhutchins> dvs: You may be thinking of SSL 3 which is insecure.
1992 [23:05:50] <dvs> probably
1993 [23:05:55] <kieto> jmcnaught: okay, I'll ask there, thanks :) but I think if I follow this article I'll be able to fix it replaced-url
1994 [23:06:13] <dvs> I thought TLS 1.0 and 1.1 are considered insecure as well.
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1997 [23:08:38] <jhutchins> dvs: That's how I understand it. Apparently there is a TLS 1.3, but with limited support and not in OpenSSL.
1998 [23:09:06] <jmcnaught> For SMTP where a connection will revert to unencrypted if a compatible cipher cannot be negotiated, TLS 1.0 and 1.1 are better than nothing
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2000 [23:10:25] <jmcnaught> openssl 1.1.0 supports tls 1.3 i believe
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2017 [23:20:35] <jhutchins> ,v openssl
2018 [23:20:36] <judd> Package: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u4; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u8; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u8; jessie-backports: 1.0.2l-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.0j-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.1.0j-1~deb9u1; sid: 1.1.1a-1; buster: 1.1.1b-1
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2020 [23:21:07] <jhutchins> I'm on stretch and it's not listed as an option.
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2024 [23:26:37] <jmcnaught> sorry my mistake it's openssl 1.1.1 that has tls1.3 support: replaced-url
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2054 [23:43:50] <bw__> hello. I've been trying to sign the repositories for system upgrade over the last few months without success and i decided to ask for help here
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2056 [23:44:11] <SerajewelKS> "sign the repositories?"
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2058 [23:44:34] <bw__> yes they aren't signed for some reason
2059 [23:44:44] <SerajewelKS> what repositories?
2060 [23:44:52] <bw__> SerajewelKS: apt-get update says:
2061 [23:44:53] <bw__> GPG error: replaced-url
2062 [23:45:13] <SerajewelKS> okay so the repositories _are_ signed
2063 [23:45:19] <SerajewelKS> you just don't have the key to verify the signatures
2064 [23:45:35] <bw__> SerajewelKS: yes, thanks
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2066 [23:46:00] <SerajewelKS> apt-get install debian-archive-keyring
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2068 [23:46:54] <bw__> according to apt the package is allready to the newest version
2069 [23:47:05] <SerajewelKS> apt-get install debian-archive-keyring -t stretch
2070 [23:47:26] <SerajewelKS> if that doesn't work, show us the output of "apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring"
2071 [23:47:34] <bw__> version is debian 9
2072 [23:48:17] <bw__> debian-archive-keyring:
2073 [23:48:19] <bw__> Installed: 2017.5
2074 [23:48:20] <bw__> Candidate: 2017.5
2075 [23:48:22] <bw__> Version table:
2076 [23:48:23] <bw__> *** 2017.5 500
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2079 [23:48:58] <SerajewelKS> !paste
2080 [23:48:59] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
2081 [23:49:09] <bw__> oh. i thought my question was that dumb
2082 [23:49:13] <SerajewelKS> does it give you the expected pubkey id?
2083 [23:49:34] <SerajewelKS> (can you pastebin "apt-get update" output?)
2084 [23:49:46] <SerajewelKS> because it sounds like the mirror might be compromised or something
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2087 [23:50:08] <bw__> apt-cache doesn't show any pubkey id
2088 [23:50:27] <bw__> how do i paste multiple lines here?
2089 [23:50:40] <SerajewelKS> not apt-cache
2090 [23:50:44] <SerajewelKS> "apt-get update"
2091 [23:50:47] <SerajewelKS> !paste
2092 [23:50:47] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
2093 [23:51:12] <SerajewelKS> if the expected key ID isn't 067E3C456BAE240ACEE88F6FEF0F382A1A7B6500 then something is amiss
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2095 [23:51:58] <bw__> replaced-url
2096 [23:52:43] <dvs> Isn't the ftp protocol obsolete now?
2097 [23:53:03] <SerajewelKS> dvs: no. and it's not using FTP.
2098 [23:53:14] <SerajewelKS> bw__: huh. it lists that you're missing EF0F382A1A7B6500.
2099 [23:53:18] <SerajewelKS> which is the key i pasted.
2100 [23:53:23] <SerajewelKS> bw__: can you pastebin "apt-key list"
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2105 [23:54:27] <bw__> replaced-url
2106 [23:54:47] <SerajewelKS> lol yep the key is listed right there
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2110 [23:55:10] <SerajewelKS> in fact all three are
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2113 [23:55:20] <SerajewelKS> i've no idea why apt is complaining. the keys appear to be installed.
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2115 [23:55:32] <bw__> ok
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2118 [23:56:45] <SerajewelKS> unfortunately i'm not sure how to diagnose further :(
2119 [23:57:18] <SerajewelKS> "Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.at.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_main_i18n_Translation-en.bz2 - open (13: Permission denied)" is a bit worrying
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2121 [23:57:38] <SerajewelKS> that sounds like you're either not running apt-get as root, or there's some disk issue
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2123 [23:58:05] <platypo> i am running apt-get with the su command
2124 [23:58:08] <SerajewelKS> if it is a disk issue then all bets are off; the apt binary/libraries could be corrupt or something
2125 [23:58:21] <jcb2016> platypo: sudo or su ?
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2128 [23:58:56] <platypo> su. df shows nothing more then 40% on the relevant partitions
2129 [23:58:56] <SerajewelKS> root should not receive a permission denied error when opening any file on the system except in some special cases (/proc and /sys don't allow file creation at all for example) or if there's something bad going on with the disk
2130 [23:59:11] <SerajewelKS> disk space isn't that relevant since the error would be different
2131 [23:59:47] <platypo> i can try logging in as root on another tty
2132 [23:59:47] <SerajewelKS> i don't know if it's a red herring or not but seeing "permission denied" when root tries to create a file sets off "something is fucky" bells in my head
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