• 0[00:00:03] <DanielTheFox> I already have a fully working LAN, using dnsmasq as DNS server, and I am familiarized enough with dnsmasq to be able to translate other programs' instructions to dnsmasq proper ones (or I hope so)
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• 24[00:17:11] <CyberManifest> can I install Debian 9 on my Khadas VIM2 Max? And will WiFi work? or Do I have to use a port?
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• 31[00:20:34] <CyberManifest> It uses 8 core ARM 64 Processor
• 32[00:21:04] <DanielTheFox> it's likely to work
• 33[00:21:10] <DanielTheFox> WiFi is usually a trouble in Linux, yes
• 34[00:21:39] <DanielTheFox> but if you (beforehand) search for the specific wireless card model and its drivers, you will find no problem
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• 38[00:24:08] <CyberManifest> I don't know if this is the correct ones, but I found this: replaced-url
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• 40[00:24:18] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone
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• 42[00:24:34] <rocketmagnet> how can i install the python-clang-7 package in stable ?
• 43[00:24:57] <DanielTheFox> CyberManifest, I like the idea of repurposing dumb Android TV Boxes (or similar locked-down devices) to run Debian
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• 45[00:25:31] <DanielTheFox> I like Debian community and support, even if I lose features like GPU hw acc or other stuff
• 46[00:26:15] <CyberManifest> DanielTheFox: I like the idea of Debian 9 being Stretch (Pixar Octopus) and Khadas being an "8 ARM" device, seems fitting :)
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• 49[00:28:59] <DanielTheFox> nice
• 50[00:29:12] <DanielTheFox> I'm still puzzled on how to use Debian on diskless machines tho
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• 52[00:29:35] <CyberManifest> DanielTheFox: from: replaced-url
• 53[00:29:35] <CyberManifest> things like Wifi or the Graphics to work properly
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• 56[00:30:09] <DanielTheFox> graphics are usually propietary, so don't expect that to survive
• 57[00:30:25] <CyberManifest> DanielTheFox: the EMMC sorta works as a storge unit / disk system
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• 59[00:30:27] <DanielTheFox> WiFi is also propietary, but it has higher survival rates
• 60[00:30:42] <DanielTheFox> eMMC works better, yes
• 61[00:30:56] <DanielTheFox> but I'm against the idea of using the internal storage to store the OS
• 62[00:31:03] <CyberManifest> DanielTheFox: any direction on the specifics for WiFi with the given links?
• 63[00:31:05] <DanielTheFox> I prefer to put really "permanent" stuff in it
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• 66[00:31:31] <DanielTheFox> searching for the WiFi module in that device will help
• 67[00:31:42] <DanielTheFox> I always prefer looking up for the model
• 68[00:31:55] <CyberManifest> well, let me get to that point and I'll come back for some guidence
• 69[00:32:16] <DanielTheFox> replaced-url
• 70[00:32:24] <CyberManifest> gonna try another image though real quick first
• 71[00:32:27] <DanielTheFox> wich one is yours?
• 72[00:32:38] <DanielTheFox> Max, Pro, Basic or Lite?
• 73[00:32:50] <CyberManifest> Max
• 74[00:32:53] <DanielTheFox> ok
• 75[00:32:54] <CyberManifest> Amlogic S912
• 76[00:33:07] <jcb2016> v, python-clang-7
• 77[00:33:09] <DanielTheFox> 64 GB eMMC?
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• 79[00:33:22] <CyberManifest> ah ok AP6359SA
• 80[00:33:25] <jcb2016> i forgot the bot commands
• 81[00:33:29] <DanielTheFox> yeah
• 82[00:33:34] <CyberManifest> yeah 64GB eMMC
• 83[00:33:38] <jcb2016> v, weechat
• 84[00:33:57] <DanielTheFox> now I'll look for the specs of that specific WiFi module
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• 86[00:34:00] <CyberManifest> so now that I know it's AP6359SA what's the next step?
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• 88[00:34:12] <DanielTheFox> let's see what's its brand at firs
• 89[00:34:14] <DanielTheFox> first
• 90[00:34:33] <DanielTheFox> and we'll rate if it'll be easy-peasy to find the drivers or if it'll be a PITA
• 91[00:34:37] <jcb2016> rocketmagnet, looks like its avaiable for sid and testing
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• 95[00:35:26] <DanielTheFox> replaced-url
• 96[00:35:28] <jcb2016> rocketmagnet, you can /msg judd v <whatever here>
• 97[00:36:13] <DanielTheFox> apparently it's Broadcom, built in the SoC
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• 99[00:37:19] <CyberManifest> chip=0x4354, chiprev=2, name=nvram_ap6356.txt
• 100[00:37:19] <CyberManifest> chip=0x4359, chiprev=9, name=nvram_ap6359sa.txt
• 101[00:37:23] <CyberManifest> Says it's Chip ID is: ^
• 102[00:37:28] <DanielTheFox> yeah
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• 104[00:37:56] <DanielTheFox> now I'll attempt to find the specs of that SoC
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• 111[00:40:40] <CyberManifest> supposedly it's the same as the Pine64 replaced-url
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• 117[00:43:04] <CyberManifest> replaced-url
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• 119[00:44:33] <DanielTheFox> unrelated to your model: replaced-url
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• 126[00:48:35] <inoderrant> is it just me, or is hdparm a really finicky utility
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• 130[00:50:16] * dvs hears hdparm say "you're finicky!!!"
• 131[00:51:11] <CyberManifest> DanielTheFox: so would it be recommended I use the Armbian port instead of pure Debian?
• 132[00:51:48] <inoderrant> if hdparm were a person, I'd sit them down and tell them to stop becoming so uninterruptible
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• 144[01:03:44] <jimster> anyone else experiencing crashes with debian stretch? ryzen 7, ga-ab350-gaming 3 mobo and rx580 graphics card
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• 146[01:04:12] <indomitable> crashing when and where
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• 149[01:05:23] <jimster> about once a week, mostly when I'm not at the computer. when it happens, the caps lock key lights up and the mouse still has power, but I can't the machine to respond. the displays are dark, and I can't ssh in from the other machine
• 150[01:05:46] <jimster> nothing in syslog or messages logs indicates a problem
• 151[01:06:57] <cheapie> jimster: You're not running 4 sticks of G.Skill Aegis or other "for Intel" RAM, are you?
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• 155[01:07:42] <cheapie> For some reason both my old 2200G and newish 2700X are unstable with 4 sticks of that stuff, but fine with 2 (any 2) sticks.
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• 157[01:08:57] <jimster> I only have 2 sticks, but I don't remember the ram specs
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• 159[01:10:15] <cheapie> Well, you could always try running it with just one for a bit and seeing what happens.
• 160[01:10:24] <cheapie> If it still crashes, try the other one.
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• 163[01:14:11] <jimster> yea, might as well try it. I also had crashes with ubuntu fwiw. oddly the crashes were more frequent, but all the same symtpoms
• 164[01:15:12] <cheapie> The ones I was getting were mostly triple faults, but there were occasional hangs and black screens as well.
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• 166[01:19:26] <rocketmagnet> how to install python-clang-7 in debian strech ?
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• 179[01:27:20] <CyberManifest> well, I can't even get Debian to Boot on the Khadas, so guess I'll have to go back to Ubuntu :(
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• 181[01:28:32] <indomitable> CyberManifest, y u no boot
• 182[01:28:57] <CyberManifest> indomitable: it just isn't seen from the SD card
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• 184[01:30:10] <indomitable> wat
• 185[01:30:14] <indomitable> you put it on an sd card?
• 186[01:30:21] <indomitable> what device
• 187[01:30:21] <indomitable> lol
• 188[01:30:38] <indomitable> if this is a normal pc, pcs don't boot from sd cards usually -- needs to be enabled, usually some workaround involving usb
• 189[01:30:52] <inoderrant> jimster I'm getting crashes on machines too
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• 201[01:42:48] <CyberManifest> this mentions .dtb files but I don't know where those are replaced-url
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• 207[01:46:56] <CyberManifest> The Khadas Docs and Guides are one big convoluted mess
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• 436[04:17:25] <hays> im using the sury nginx package and systemd doesnt seem to be happy. when i start the service, it just sits there (although nginx seems to be running...)
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• 459[04:28:04] <buu> So.. I have an obnoxious nfs issue. I have squash_all on and anonid/gid set to a specific uid in an attempt to make every nfs client look like the same person
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• 461[04:29:27] <buu> But this vm mounts the share as root then runs a separate process as a different gid
• 462[04:29:35] <buu> And that process can't acess any of the mounted share
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• 471[04:31:44] <buu> Hmm, or something like that.
• 472[04:32:02] <buu> How does squash_all even work
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• 479[04:37:07] <ryouma> something strange. i know that jessie has a new kernel today. and aptitude search shows the packages. but apt-get dist-upgrade says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." (per a conv with somiaj long ago, i had thought that dist-upgrade shows those but upgrade sometimes does not.)
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• 481[04:39:45] <crn> ryouma, did you run apt-get update?
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• 483[04:40:49] <ryouma> crn: yes, with no errors or warnings and a clean exit code
• 484[04:41:16] <ryouma> ('cause i finally deleted teh -updates and backports lines :/)
• 485[04:41:27] <ryouma> (the above was an irrelevant comment)
• 486[04:41:59] <crn> As you say, strange
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• 488[04:43:00] <crn> maybe the changes haven't propagated to the servers you're using
• 489[04:43:26] <buu> Let me rephrase
• 490[04:44:00] <buu> I have a vm mounting a nfs share with all_squash enabled, its root user can properly access the share but a 'normal user' inside the vm gets access denied to share files
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• 494[04:46:48] <ryouma> crn: the thing is, aptitude sees them
• 495[04:46:54] <ryouma> (in search)
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• 499[04:50:31] <crn> ryouma, that's really a puzzle. does the version to be up graded show as installed?
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• 504[04:53:29] <ryouma> crn: i can't tell. i would think not. apt-cache policy says replaced-url
• 505[04:53:39] <ryouma> that was apt-cache policy linux-image-3.16.0-8-amd64|i termbin
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• 507[04:54:06] <ryouma> i think the extra numbers there indicate that it is not only not installed, but not offered as a candidate?
• 508[04:54:19] <ryouma> so aptitude sees it but not apt-cache
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• 513[04:56:51] <moth_> Anyone know how to extract all of the values in a select (dropdown box) in to an array with webdriver?
• 514[04:57:03] <moth_> I'm having difficulty with this.
• 515[04:57:16] <moth_> Wrong channel.
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• 522[05:00:37] <crn> i don't know. i don't understand aptitude very well.
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• 526[05:04:33] <crn> indeed, some aspects of the package management seem magical to me. for awhile it compiled and installed drivers for my video card through several major upgrades.
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• 529[05:06:27] <ryouma> maybe a race condition. trying again.
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• 537[05:08:40] <ryouma> same problem
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• 552[05:22:35] <aloo_shu> some propietary video drivers seem to be coming in that way, a script that is pulling/generating them dynamically. if that script is running again with every upgrade, it could be an idea to uninstall the corresponding package and only install it again when all upgrading is done
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• 561[05:34:12] <crn> aloo_shu, in my case upgrading to 64 bit stretch from 32 bit jessie stopped the dynamic generation, at least for the last few months.
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• 568[05:39:50] <aloo_shu> I was guessing a bit, I've never used such scripts, but seen them included on a debian derivate
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• 710[07:36:06] <weedloser> hey guys, I noticed my swap space has been increased to the same as my memory. I suspect this started happening after I started to use the suspend feature AFAIK, the systemd feature doesn't copy the session to the disk (swap) and only to RAM. Could it be that the XFCE power manager suspends and hibernates?
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• 712[07:37:23] <fling> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
• 713[07:37:24] <weedloser> after the initial install, about 4GiB's was assigned as swap. After, it's 16GiB's, same as the RAM.
• 714[07:37:31] <fling> How to skip setting up minissdpd?
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• 745[07:59:46] <fling> dpkg: error processing package minissdpd (--configure):
• 746[07:59:47] <dpkg> fling: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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• 848[08:31:36] <blingrang> Hi. Was openjdk-8-jre-headless removed from jessie backports?
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• 851[08:31:56] <blingrang> Getting an error here replaced-url
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• 863[08:37:00] <blingrang> Never mind. replaced-url
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• 938[09:32:23] <ammarsalmi> Hi
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• 940[09:32:35] <Ammar__> Hi
• 941[09:32:55] <Ammar__> my debian used to detect usb drives and such but now it doesn't do that any more I mean automount
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• 964[09:54:24] <uio> Hi, I can't seem to figure out what chmod command I need : I just created a new user and want to prevent other users from accessing the new one's files and visa versa. How can I do that?
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• 975[10:01:12] <bolt_> uio: the default permissions for new user directories are in /etc/adduser.conf
• 976[10:01:32] <bolt_> uio: this is also where you set whether or not users get their own group, or are added to a common "users" group
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• 978[10:02:36] <bolt_> uio: if you chmod the directories in /home to 700, only the owner, which is hopefully the user with the same name as the directory, can access it
• 979[10:03:13] <bolt_> uio: if your users all have their own group, and the directories in /home are thus owned by all those different groups, setting the directories to 770 would be fine too
• 980[10:03:25] <bolt_> uio: don't chmod /home itself, by the way.
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• 994[10:11:21] <uio> Hi bolt_ thanks. So I would issue chmod 700 /home/NEWUSER ?
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• 996[10:12:02] <uio> bolt_, I mean su chmod 700 /home/NEWUSER ?
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• 1007[10:16:13] <Tom_-> uio, yeah, and also for the other users
• 1008[10:17:31] <uio> Tom_-, Perfect, thanks!
• 1009[10:17:34] <uio> cheers
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• 1018[10:19:21] <binaryhermit> testing's frozen right now, right?
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• 1022[10:20:51] <Fox> yes
• 1023[10:21:10] <Fox> replaced-url
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• 1028[10:23:35] <binaryhermit> I've been on debian off and on for a while and can't really recall, in the past, how long has a release been frozen before release
• 1029[10:23:54] <binaryhermit> and I know the official policy is something like "when it's ready"
• 1030[10:24:32] <Fox> I think it didn't change :)
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• 1034[10:26:16] <binaryhermit> I found this page, 6 months-ish seems to be common replaced-url
• 1035[10:26:25] <binaryhermit> but there are outliers
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• 1038[10:28:07] <superlinux> hello. good morning
• 1039[10:29:06] <superlinux> I have this hypothetical problem I want to see how it can be solved..
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• 1044[10:32:42] <krion> hello
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• 1046[10:33:27] <krion> if I told you my company use snapshot.debian.org as default repo, what would you say ?
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• 1049[10:33:42] <g0zzy> Can someone please tell me what the security line in sources.list should be for Jessie now it's EOL?
• 1050[10:33:45] <apollo13> krion: lmao
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• 1052[10:33:58] <apollo13> krion: security updates?
• 1053[10:34:12] <krion> security update are plugged to security.d.o
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• 1055[10:34:32] <krion> whith unattended upgrades
• 1056[10:34:38] <apollo13> I wonder if that is going to work
• 1057[10:34:52] <apollo13> that said stable does not have many updates
• 1058[10:35:08] <krion> looks like it does
• 1059[10:35:20] <g0zzy> deb replaced-url
• 1060[10:35:27] <krion> but I feel bad having this, try to make them change with no luck
• 1061[10:36:30] <g0zzy> Oh i think it was a temporary glitch in the repo connection
• 1062[10:36:31] <apollo13> mhm, it is an interesting idea at least imo
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• 1064[10:37:49] <g0zzy> np folks
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• 1066[10:37:59] <petn-randall> g0zzy: You do realize that a release being EOL ("end of life") that you don't get any security updates, right?
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• 1073[10:42:48] <shiin> I'm trying to analyze a core dump of a segfaulted PHP process. The backtrace only shows addresses because the debug symbols are not installed. I do not know what will happen if I install them - is it going to affect the performance of new php processes?
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• 1081[10:47:49] <binaryhermit> to be fair, jessie is in LTS status on some platforms
• 1082[10:48:04] <binaryhermit> still, I'd be making an escape strategy
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• 1100[11:07:04] <TomyWork> what exactly does "apt-ftparchive packages" do? according to strace, it's extracting the data part of each .deb and it's taking a long time to do that
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• 1118[11:22:26] <jpcooper> Hello. How can I list the files for a source package?
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• 1121[11:23:56] <themill> apt-file can do source packages too «--index-names dsc»
• 1122[11:24:21] <themill> (you have to enable apt downloading the correct Contents file first)
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• 1178[12:06:09] <jpcooper> Thanks, themill
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• 1197[12:23:29] <Greyztar> hello,is there a way to run apt as cron job installing only security updates and have it list changes to a file?I found an apt-listchanges but i think its for Ubuntu =)
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• 1199[12:24:57] <kaizoku> Greyztar, replaced-url
• 1200[12:25:16] <Greyztar> kaizoku: thank you ill have a read (,")
• 1201[12:25:47] <kaizoku> There are a couple methods of notification I think. It can mail root, or use listchanges
• 1202[12:25:57] <kaizoku> tbh I haven't used either though, so I don't really know the details
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• 1204[12:26:59] <Greyztar> kaizoku: this was exactely what i was looking for thank you very much!
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• 1243[12:56:17] <hays> is there an alternative to sudo -i that will make the security people happier
• 1244[12:56:28] <hays> other than typing sudo all the time
• 1245[12:56:50] <kaizoku> who is against sudo -i?
• 1246[12:57:13] <hays> people who want every root command logged via sudo, I guess
• 1247[12:57:16] <e> if you have specific security people who are unhappy with it, ask them what the alternative is
• 1248[12:57:32] <e> sudo -i doesn't have to break logging
• 1249[12:57:41] <hays> ahh, mostly they dont care
• 1250[12:57:52] <hays> oh? that's interesting
• 1251[12:57:59] <hays> can you expand on that
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• 1253[12:58:59] <e> read the sudoers man page :P
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• 1257[12:59:44] <mutante> you know that sudo isnt an on/off thing, that can only mean "full root for all commands on any host", right. you can be way more specific and allow just a few commands that are actually needed
• 1258[12:59:52] <mutante> security people should like that
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• 1260[13:00:19] <e> sudo -i is pretty on/off though
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• 1262[13:00:56] <mutante> i read the question as "what can we do to NOT use that"
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• 1268[13:03:09] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 1271[13:04:52] <jelly> hays: what's the goal? what would make them happy?
• 1272[13:05:07] <qman__> I'm guessing command history
• 1273[13:05:22] <qman__> when you use sudo -i, or any other tool to get a root shell, the history is root's
• 1274[13:05:25] <hays> i think they just want to enhance attribution
• 1275[13:05:40] <qman__> whereas when you just run sudo for every command you need it for, it gets logged for the user that ran it
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• 1279[13:05:54] <e> again, sudo can log
• 1280[13:06:20] <hays> i found log_input
• 1281[13:06:21] <fling> hays: you could instead log anything/something using snoopy with or without sudo.
• 1282[13:06:23] <superlinux> hello. how can I ban people who log in from outside from the internet to ssh , ban them from getting into my LAN? the machine has two network cards. one to the internet and another to the LAN. the machine is NOT a router.
• 1283[13:07:39] <hays> run a firewall?
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• 1285[13:07:49] <fling> superlinux: so to allow them logging into your box but disallow to use other boxen on your lan?
• 1286[13:08:08] <fling> superlinux: iptables probably
• 1287[13:08:37] <fling> superlinux: you can filter what they are allowed to do per user
• 1288[13:08:38] <superlinux> yes fling! I don't want them to run any connection to the LAN
• 1289[13:09:06] <jelly> superlinux: if there is no reason to keep the ssh service exposed to internet at all, reconfigure it to only listen on local interface
• 1290[13:09:08] <superlinux> yes fling! I don't want them to run any connection to the LAN from within the server
• 1291[13:09:30] <fling> superlinux: iptable iptables
• 1292[13:09:31] <jelly> alternatively, set up local firewall rules
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• 1294[13:09:56] <superlinux> jelly, in your way the people from outside will not be able to login. I want them logged in.
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• 1296[13:10:26] <superlinux> but while they are in, I don't want them to connect to the LAN. it's not their business.
• 1297[13:10:33] <jelly> oh
• 1298[13:10:42] <jelly> I misunderstood, sorry
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• 1301[13:11:15] <jelly> you probably can't easily do that.
• 1302[13:11:26] <superlinux> it's like I have an email server on the machine where my LAN get data from, at the same time the machine is serving virtual web hosting
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• 1305[13:12:18] <fling> superlinux: iptables -I OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner <outsider-id> -o <lan> -j DROP
• 1306[13:12:22] <superlinux> jelly, I feel, after this chat, I will need ftpd with only the users can see the document root.
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• 1308[13:12:34] <superlinux> this is the best way
• 1309[13:12:40] <fling> jelly: feels like it is easy with iptables ^
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• 1311[13:13:14] <jelly> fling: only if you can separate users that are only able to login from outside, and those that also log in from inside.
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• 1313[13:13:22] <superlinux> aha! fling , methought iptables cannot match usernames
• 1314[13:13:30] <superlinux> that solves it.
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• 1316[13:13:44] <jelly> superlinux: you can have ssh users with _only_ sftp access.
• 1317[13:13:50] <jelly> no shell.
• 1318[13:13:56] <fling> superlinux: not username but it's id.
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• 1320[13:14:19] <superlinux> yes.. but the id is sorta username
• 1321[13:14:20] <jelly> superlinux: do NOT use ftpd.
• 1322[13:14:37] <superlinux> jelly, I know ftpd is not secure
• 1323[13:14:50] <hays> what do you all think of this new ssh variant thing called 'mosh'
• 1324[13:14:53] <fling> superlinux: another option to consider would be running your sshd in a container like lxd. This way you will limit the users a lot ;P
• 1325[13:14:55] <superlinux> it's just what I have in my mind
• 1326[13:14:55] <e> putting a box that's publicly accessible like this on a lan feels like playing with fire
• 1327[13:15:01] <e> it should be insulated at the network level
• 1328[13:15:27] <qman__> if the goal is transferring files only, just configure the users for SFTP only, no shell
• 1329[13:15:47] <qman__> if they can't get a shell and can't port tunnel, then they can't access other systems
• 1330[13:15:48] <fling> superlinux: listen to qman__ if this is the case.
• 1331[13:15:53] <superlinux> qman__, yes only transferring files. I will take your advise
• 1332[13:16:13] <fling> This channel is so helpful! :D
• 1333[13:16:48] <superlinux> but you know exposing ssh online is still sorta playing with fire
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• 1335[13:17:23] <qman__> replaced-url
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• 1339[13:17:55] <qman__> you should also have brute force protection of some kind, such as fail2ban or rate limiting in iptables
• 1340[13:18:05] <qman__> as mentioned, ssh is frequently scanned and attacked
• 1341[13:18:05] <hays> ssh with key based access is pretty solid, i feel
• 1342[13:18:20] <mason> qman__: or knockd, or keys
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• 1344[13:18:57] <qman__> keys are strong authentication but they don't stop attackers from trying, rate limiting and fail2ban do
• 1345[13:19:19] <qman__> knocking does too, but that's not exactly user friendly
• 1346[13:19:20] <mason> and knockd limits attacks without cluttering your logs
• 1347[13:19:22] <hays> im surprised how popular 'knocking' is
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• 1349[13:19:43] <mason> hays: Anything you see in your logs if you're using knockd is worth investigating, which is a win
• 1350[13:19:44] <hays> it seems like a security tool from the 80s/90s--kinda inadequate in today's world
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• 1352[13:19:47] <e> it doesn't matter how much attackers try if your authentication is not bruteforcable
• 1353[13:19:56] <mason> hays: Only if you misunderstand the purpose.
• 1354[13:20:18] <qman__> that approach doesn't account for bugs
• 1355[13:20:39] <mason> Nothing accounts for bugs.
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• 1357[13:20:44] <hays> mason: what's the purpose
• 1358[13:20:59] <qman__> such as the debian weak SSH key fiasco of years ago, or numerous other softwares that can be broken through flooding specific stuff, etc.
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• 1362[13:21:33] <qman__> regardless of the strength of your authentication, you should still have network-level brute force protection
• 1363[13:21:38] <fling> How to skip post-installation script? dpkg: error processing package minissdpd (--configure): replaced-url
• 1364[13:21:44] <mason> hays: Tell me when the clouds clear. qman__: Agreed.
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• 1366[13:22:32] <e> feels unpleasant to me, and brute force protection is generally either kinda ineffective or risks keeping you out
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• 1368[13:23:03] <e> i'd rather have ssh only listen on a secure network
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• 1370[13:23:31] <mason> That of course would be ideal. And we forgot to throw two-factor / OTPs into the mix.
• 1371[13:23:36] <qman__> that doesn't change the importance of protecting it
• 1372[13:23:54] <qman__> if an attacker can only send a dozen attempts, they can never brute force it
• 1373[13:24:04] <qman__> no matter what bugs or weaknesses exist
• 1374[13:24:07] <Fox> fling: are you on sid ?
• 1375[13:24:13] <mason> qman__: That discounts distributed attempts.
• 1376[13:24:46] <qman__> yes, but even then, it's still well-protected; they'd need a really large botnet to even begin to attempt it
• 1377[13:24:54] <hays> i just dont see a threat model where knockd is warranted
• 1378[13:25:00] <mason> qman__: We *see* that as an attack source already.
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• 1380[13:25:07] <mason> hays: Agreed.
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• 1383[13:26:09] <hays> i could see rate limiting for a very special server that doesn't get a lot of use, and has broad access
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• 1389[13:26:41] <hays> i have this gripe about password management rules also
• 1390[13:26:44] <qman__> rate limiting is of new connections per IP, it doesn't affect open transfers or multiple users
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• 1392[13:26:51] <qman__> but fail2ban is generally the better choice
• 1393[13:27:27] <hays> like i don't see any reason to make it so if someone fails their password 5 times, you get locked out. maybe 50 times
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• 1395[13:27:59] <qman__> you can change it at your discretion
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• 1397[13:28:16] <qman__> 5 is the default, if your users suck at typing passwords, just turn it up
• 1398[13:28:28] <e> or, you know, don't allow passwords
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• 1400[13:28:57] <GyroW> I set a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces and disabled network manager, now every reboot my /etc/resolv.conf is empty...
• 1401[13:29:07] <hays> qman__: yeah im talking more generally
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• 1403[13:29:24] <hays> i also don't care if people reuse their password when they are asked to change it
• 1404[13:29:26] <jelly> GyroW: is resolvconf package installed?
• 1405[13:29:36] <qman__> higher lockouts increase your exposure to distributed attacks
• 1406[13:29:39] <hays> only reason i see for people to type it in again is to rehash/salt it
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• 1409[13:29:48] <qman__> so you have to balance that vs. practical usage problems
• 1410[13:29:58] <GyroW> nope it's not
• 1411[13:30:05] <GyroW> I'll install it
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• 1413[13:30:26] <hays> qman__: sure, but brute forcing a password is going to take much more than 50 attempts, if good passwords are enforced
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• 1415[13:30:42] <edmont> hi
• 1416[13:30:43] <qman__> it's not just 50 though
• 1417[13:30:48] <qman__> it's 50 * botnet size
• 1418[13:31:00] <qman__> 5 * botnet size is a lot smaller than that
• 1419[13:31:03] <edmont> is there a limit to the number of socket options that can be configured?
• 1420[13:31:28] <hays> qman__: yeah if that's the threat model, use keys
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• 1423[13:31:55] <qman__> as I said, that doesn't account for bugs
• 1424[13:32:00] <jelly> edmont: they are basically a bit field so yes, but why do you ask?
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• 1426[13:32:24] <jelly> edmont: is there more context to that question? What is your goal?
• 1427[13:32:37] <edmont> jelly: I'm being limited to the number of IPv6 multicast groups I'm able to subscribe to
• 1428[13:33:05] <edmont> jelly: somewhere around 290
• 1429[13:33:37] <edmont> jelly: I found a limit for IPv4: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/igmp_max_memberships
• 1430[13:33:43] <edmont> but not IPv6 equivalent
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• 1432[13:34:15] <edmont> jelly: the error is: [Errno 12] Cannot allocate memory
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• 1437[13:36:52] <jelly> edmont: I know nothing about ipv6 multicast, if you don't get any useful suggestions from anyone else, ask in #Netfilter or ##networking maybe
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• 1439[13:37:23] <edmont> jelly: thanks!
• 1440[13:37:51] <edmont> jelly: that's why I was asking more generalisticly here
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• 1442[13:38:12] <jelly> edmont: which debian release and kernel version is this on?
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• 1444[13:38:27] <jelly> (and where did you find 300+ mcasts to subscribe to)
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• 1447[13:39:23] <edmont> jelly: Linux linuxdev 4.18.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.18.10-2 (2018-10-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 1448[13:39:36] <edmont> jelly: I generated them :)
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• 1450[13:40:03] <jelly> edmont: your testing / sid kernel is out of date!
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• 1453[13:40:55] <edmont> jelly: do you thing updating it will change this?
• 1454[13:40:59] <jelly> edmont: and here I thought you had enough bandwidth to, dunno, watch 300 channels of tv at the same time
• 1455[13:41:05] <jelly> no
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• 1457[13:41:34] <edmont> jelly: it's for an iot application
• 1458[13:41:38] <fling> Fox: on buster
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• 1461[13:41:48] <Fox> you're on the wrong channel then
• 1462[13:41:52] <Fox> !debian-next
• 1463[13:41:52] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1464[13:41:58] <fling> thanks!
• 1465[13:42:14] <Fox> and wrong irc network, read carefully :)
• 1466[13:42:15] <edmont> jelly: btw, I tested on Armbian and the limit is a bit lower, around 140
• 1467[13:42:18] <edmont> *240
• 1468[13:42:26] <fling> oh!!
• 1469[13:42:45] <fling> Why another network?? :D
• 1470[13:43:28] <petn-randall> fling: There's only OFTC, this is a courtesy channel for those that don't know all Debian channels are on OFTC.
• 1471[13:43:43] <ilackintel> how do i easiest have irssi do my biddings per automatics? wouldn't a launcher with some simple python be an easy answer? even if not knowing coding
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• 1473[13:44:56] <petn-randall> ilackintel: Can you elaborate what you want to achieve?
• 1474[13:45:53] <ilackintel> i have 4-5 networks i frequent. i want to write some simple automation, like identity!@randomizer on one network, etcettera
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• 1476[13:46:55] <ilackintel> i lack control being a gui fan going to linux not clever enough to easily fetch the language of the cmd-based world - but i just want to not close all networks when one cmd closes - like they're all linked and not sessioned
• 1477[13:47:17] <ilackintel> not a gui fan, but i was blind for too long :d
• 1478[13:47:20] <fling> ilackintel: irssi supports perl scripts
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• 1480[13:48:01] <ilackintel> perl, that was it, not python - i shall look into the structure of this language and see if it fits my neurology
• 1481[13:48:18] <ilackintel> i know i can set up irssi in individual sessions etc, and hti sin't the irssi channel, i know :> my bad
• 1482[13:48:37] <ilackintel> but thank you for the network's being here :> appreciated
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• 1484[13:48:47] <Fox> ilackintel: you should wonder if your neurology fits perl, not if perl fits your neurology ;)
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• 1488[13:49:49] <ilackintel> Touché Capitáin Fox
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• 1495[13:53:05] <fling> Fox: is dpkg much different anyway?
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• 1498[13:53:54] <Fox> fling: dunno, but other packages are for sure
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• 1500[13:54:11] <fling> Fox: then it should be achievable the same way on stretch…
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• 1503[13:55:27] <Fox> fling: if you're talking about minissdpd it surely won't be the same on buster and stretch
• 1504[13:55:31] <Fox> ,v minissdpd
• 1505[13:55:32] <judd> Package: minissdpd on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.20120121-1; wheezy-security: 1.1.20120121-1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.2.20130907-3+deb8u1; stretch: 1.2.20130907-4.1; sid: 1.5.20180223-4; buster: 1.5.20190210-1
• 1506[13:55:51] <fling> Can't I just skip it completely?
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• 1508[13:56:24] <Fox> skip what ?
• 1509[13:56:59] <fling> minissdpd
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• 1511[13:57:20] <Fox> if you don't need it, but only you can know that
• 1512[13:57:45] <fling> I don't need it but it is pulled in as a dep of some another thing.
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• 1515[13:59:15] <Fox> then you should ask #debian-next to find a solution or report a bug
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• 1517[14:00:10] <fling> And I also can't just skip post-installation script?
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• 1520[14:01:06] <Fox> no
• 1521[14:01:47] <Fox> even if you could minissdpd wouldn't be fully configured, and the packages that depends on it should totally fail to work
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• 1524[14:02:03] <Nawab> hey guys
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• 1526[14:02:19] <Nawab> can i boot up windows 10 and debian side by side?
• 1527[14:02:24] <EdePopede> my datadisk disappeared last night. will reboot and reattach it and check it on the other pc, i hope it is *not* the disk. got /var/log now and dmesg and journalctl. any more infos i could collect?
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• 1530[14:05:50] <rant> Nawab: at the same time on the same machine you mean?
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• 1537[14:06:48] <HD|Lapto1> hi all. I have a FritzBox which provides IPv4 and v6 connectivity to my Debian machine which acts as router for the rest of my network (various VLANs). While I did manage to get IPv6 on the router uplink interface ("iface eth0 inet6 dhcp"), how do I get dnsmasq to distribute IPv6 addresses to the VLANs?
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• 1539[14:06:59] <Nawab> rant: in the same machine
• 1540[14:07:03] <Nawab> one at a time
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• 1542[14:07:25] <HD|Lapto1> especially, as the IPv6 range changes at each fritzbox reconnect, I need a way to "pass" the IPv6 range from the dhclient on the uplink to dnsmasq
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• 1545[14:07:59] <rant> Nawab: thats called dual booting, and yes its possible.. but it probably won't be easy.. Microsoft has been making efforts to keep you from using your computer for decades
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• 1547[14:08:39] <Nawab> rant i know, but i also at the same time dont want to use ubuntu(which supports custom firmware)
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• 1549[14:08:56] <Nawab> idk what to do, i only have one laptop
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• 1551[14:09:02] <rant> Debian also supports custom firmware
• 1552[14:09:20] <Nawab> can you check my device and look it up?
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• 1554[14:09:23] <rant> and I know where you are.. I was there like 20 years ago.. but soon the choice became simple.. ditch windows
• 1555[14:09:26] <Nawab> let me post a link
• 1556[14:09:42] <Nawab> idk, i just want some good games
• 1557[14:09:44] <Nawab> nvm
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• 1561[14:10:03] <greycat> It's always false, so it's a silly test, but it is valid.
• 1562[14:10:08] <greycat> ... channel.
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• 1565[14:10:51] <Nawab> idk, i should probably install debian in this laptop too
• 1566[14:10:55] <rant> I play games on linux just fine.. granted I dont much care for any terribly recent ones, and I dont play them often.. but steam being ported and crossover make it possible
• 1567[14:11:05] <Nawab> which version is the testing one now?
• 1568[14:11:19] <rant> if you were serious about gaming you wouldnt be using a laptop. so I'm guessing you can get by without windows
• 1569[14:11:45] <Nawab> idk, i dont earn for now, else i could probably get a ryzen :P
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• 1571[14:12:58] <gnumdk> Hello, strange thing, in Debian 9, cron is not sending emails to root when command outputs messages
• 1572[14:13:14] <greycat> Check your mail transport agent's logs.
• 1573[14:13:33] <greycat> Also check /etc/aliases or your MTA's equivalent to see where root's mail is being redirected to.
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• 1623[14:46:44] <FFman> #flood dpkg
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• 1637[15:00:38] <FireGoblin> The Queen is a fool
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• 1652[15:11:38] <frickenate> How would I go about determining which processes are causing extremely heavy *kernel* cpu usage? User cpu of a batch of processes I'm running is effectively zero, but kernel cpu is basically tanking the server at 50-70% of total cpu capacity.
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• 1654[15:12:23] <greycat> How do you know that the "user cpu" is near zero?
• 1655[15:12:39] <greycat> Whatever tool you're using to get that data will also spit out the "system cpu".
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• 1659[15:13:20] <frickenate> So far, htop. I've never seen red (kernel) bars taking up a majority of each cpu while green (user) is 0-1 bar per cpu.
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• 1662[15:14:54] <greycat> What's the actual symptom/problem you're trying to solve?
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• 1665[15:15:04] <frickenate> Context: These tasks were running under supervisor on an old standalone server with 12x2 HT cores, running with no load. Now running same processes on new servers (28x2 HT cores) running with Nomad (a task runner/management software), and the same process count is making the server unresponsive.
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• 1668[15:15:46] <frickenate> I suspect that whatever this Nomad software is going to run/monitor the processes has enormous kernel overhead, but I need some way of digging in to prove/disprove that theory.
• 1669[15:16:37] <frickenate> s/going/doing/
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• 1672[15:17:41] <petn-randall> frickenate: Which OS release and kernel version are you running?
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• 1674[15:19:36] <frickenate> jessie 8.11, kernel 4.9.146
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• 1676[15:21:51] <frickenate> Here's what I'm looking at: replaced-url
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• 1680[15:23:10] <Iridos> look process status in ps
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• 1683[15:24:17] <petn-randall> frickenate: Where do you have the kernel from? jessie ships 3.16, and there are no backports AFAICS.
• 1684[15:24:24] <Iridos> I'd look at IO
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• 1686[15:24:58] <jelly> I'd look at "vmstat 1"
• 1687[15:25:15] <petn-randall> :)
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• 1690[15:26:18] <jelly> what do you mean there are no backports
• 1691[15:26:20] <jelly> ,kernels
• 1692[15:26:21] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.19.16-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.144-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.144-3.1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
• 1693[15:26:22] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
• 1694[15:26:41] <jelly> judd: ok, you're doing something wrong
• 1695[15:26:43] <greycat> There *were* jessie-backports. They went bye bye.
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• 1697[15:26:54] <jelly> oh right
• 1698[15:27:04] <greycat> If he got one before they self-destructed, then he'd better hold on to it really tight.
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• 1702[15:29:08] <FireGoblin> has anyone seen this error message? replaced-url
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• 1713[15:30:48] <Iridos> was just going to say… looks like an error jelly can fix
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• 1718[15:32:36] <petn-randall> Ah right, jessie-backports got removed, that explains what I see.
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• 1720[15:32:53] <jelly> could have been handled better
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• 1723[15:33:22] <petn-randall> frickenate: You might want to test with a current 4.9 kernel, or, depending on the CPU generation, an even newer kernel.
• 1724[15:34:36] <frickenate> To be fair, we're running some kind of modified kernel, and I have no control over that. I don't suspect the kernel though, I just imagine this software (Nomad) is doing some kind of god-awful hammering of the kernel. I'd just like to be able to see the kernel cpu stat of each process so I can pinpoint the blame.
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• 1727[15:35:13] <greycat> you could strace it
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• 1730[15:36:02] <jelly> frickenate: but here's a free wild-ass guess: if you have lots of i/o, avoid cfq io scheduler like hell and switch to deadline
• 1731[15:36:23] <jelly> debian and upstream kernel default is sadly cfq
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• 1733[15:37:00] <Iridos> check how much IO happens… iotop or the like are your friends
• 1734[15:37:38] <jelly> frickenate: output from about 30-60 seconds of "vmstat 1" and eg. "iostat -mx 5" might be nice if you want commentary
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• 1736[15:38:19] <Iridos> you also seem to have a lot of threads for a VM
• 1737[15:39:08] <Iridos> … which shouldn't really create a problem, though
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• 1742[15:44:56] <gnumdk> greycat: changed to postfix, mail root send me an email but cron does not send any mail. mail.log is empty
• 1743[15:45:36] <greycat> Are you sure the cron job actually wrote to stdout/stderr? What do the logs say?
• 1744[15:45:50] <jelly> gnumdk: is rsyslog installed and running?
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• 1746[15:45:59] <greycat> Which user actually runs this cron job?
• 1747[15:46:05] <gnumdk> root
• 1748[15:46:19] <jelly> /var/log/mail.log should not be empty if you managed to send a mail as root.
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• 1750[15:46:31] <szfgizw8oi> I would expect most of those symbols to require typing twice, since their primary function is modifying some other letter
• 1751[15:46:38] <gnumdk> jelly: not empty, just with no entry for the current time
• 1752[15:46:51] <szfgizw8oi> I have to press the key 2 times to type the alt gr keys (~, ˇ, ^, ˘, etc). How do I make it so that I can only press it once.
• 1753[15:47:01] <szfgizw8oi> how do I disable that behavior?
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• 1755[15:48:07] <Iridos> select a keymap with nodeadkeys
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• 1758[15:49:15] <szfgizw8oi> but I have a slovenian layout that doesn't support that variant (at least in kde settings)
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• 1763[15:53:25] <choeger> hi
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• 1765[15:53:53] <choeger> is there a known problem with archive.debian.org?
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• 1767[15:54:43] <choeger> related to perl: replaced-url
• 1768[15:54:59] <choeger> and debian jessie
• 1769[15:55:18] <Ingvix> Anyone know what could be the best way to monitor change in a fake file like /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_now?
• 1770[15:55:36] <nkuttler> choeger: dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
• 1771[15:56:19] <nkuttler> choeger: also apt-cache policy perl perl-base
• 1772[15:56:27] <choeger> 1st one: no result
• 1773[15:56:41] <szfgizw8oi> where does debian store keyboard layout file
• 1774[15:56:56] <Ingvix> They don't seem to give of a modify event with inotifywait even if the file is changed
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• 1776[15:57:10] <choeger> 2nd: replaced-url
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• 1778[15:58:02] <mutante> szfgizw8oi: /etc/default/keyboard ?
• 1779[15:58:14] <nkuttler> ,v perl-base
• 1780[15:58:15] <judd> Package: perl-base on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 5.14.2-21+deb7u6; jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u11; jessie-security: 5.20.2-3+deb8u11; stretch: 5.24.1-3+deb9u5; stretch-security: 5.24.1-3+deb9u5; sid: 5.28.1-3; buster: 5.28.1-5
• 1781[15:58:54] <nkuttler> choeger: looks like the archive has a newer version... you can explicitly install perl-base=5.20.2-3+deb8u11
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• 1784[15:59:07] <szfgizw8oi> mutante: thanks
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• 1786[15:59:26] <nkuttler> actually
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• 1788[15:59:34] <nkuttler> choeger: that perl-base package is not from the repo, it is local
• 1789[15:59:54] <nkuttler> choeger: maybe somebody built a local backport
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• 1791[16:00:01] <choeger> ah, thanks
• 1792[16:00:11] <choeger> I am using the debian jessie docker image
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• 1796[16:00:30] <choeger> looks like that ships with a more recent perl-base
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• 1819[16:03:22] <jelly> only registered users can talk now, sorry about that
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• 1831[16:09:46] <n1lsen> hi, I'm looking for an all-in-one printer. it should support linux and the ink should be cheap. can anyone recommend me one?
• 1832[16:10:55] <TomyWork> define "all in one"
• 1833[16:11:46] <n1lsen> it should be able to print, scan and copy
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• 1835[16:12:04] <TomyWork> okay, for the printing part, refer to openprinting.org once you found a candidate
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• 1839[16:12:42] <TomyWork> replaced-url
• 1840[16:12:47] <n1lsen> TomyWork: thanks
• 1841[16:12:59] <TomyWork> basically there should be a ppd for just about any printer there
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• 1843[16:13:23] <TomyWork> if you don't find one, chances are you're either not looking properly or the printer is crap :)
• 1844[16:13:33] <petn-randall> n1lsen: "ink should be cheap" => are you willing to pay more for the printer? If you go with a laser printer, you're break even after a few thousand pages.
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• 1846[16:13:47] <TomyWork> plus, it doesnt dry out
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• 1851[16:14:02] <TomyWork> but there's the potential of a micro-particle problem
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• 1853[16:14:05] <TomyWork> also, ozone
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• 1856[16:14:18] <TomyWork> i keep mine near a window :)
• 1857[16:14:19] <greycat> jelly: the spam seems to have stopped in #bash at least
• 1858[16:14:39] <jelly> yay.
• 1859[16:14:48] <n1lsen> petn-randall: yes, but it shouldn't be too expensive. I my limit would be about 300€
• 1860[16:14:51] <TomyWork> i print maybe once a month, so a laser printer is ideal. otherwise i'd have to buy new ink every time i print :D
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• 1864[16:15:39] <TomyWork> mine doesn't scan or copy though, since i dont need that
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• 1876[16:21:59] <HD|Lapto1> hello everyone :)
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• 1879[16:22:36] <jelly> ah. There's a backport of 4.9 in jessie-lts.
• 1880[16:22:40] <jelly> 4.9.144-3.1~deb8u1 0
• 1881[16:22:40] <jelly> 500 replaced-url
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• 1883[16:22:49] <petn-randall> hi HD|Lapto1
• 1884[16:22:56] <HD|Lapto1> ah wrong channel, sorry
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• 1889[16:24:01] <bruhbruh> so where exactly should I specify the preseed.cfg file?
• 1890[16:24:18] <bruhbruh> if I want to make an automated instalation
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• 1896[16:27:30] <bruhbruh> hello!
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• 1898[16:27:33] <bruhbruh> */
• 1899[16:27:36] <bruhbruh> *?
• 1900[16:27:47] <jelly> !ask
• 1901[16:27:47] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1902[16:28:16] <petn-randall> bruhbruh: You need to be more patient.
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• 1908[16:30:28] <Guest57775> Is there a better channel than this to ask about directory structure changes in the mirrors? I have a site local mirror of debian that I use to netboot and netinstall systems, and the kernels and initrds disappeared recently for stretch.
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• 1910[16:31:50] <edmont> jelly: found it: replaced-url
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• 1913[16:34:02] <jelly> that has to be the most obscure tunable I've read about this year or three
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• 1934[16:47:59] <edmont> jelly: :D
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• 1938[16:50:06] <jelly> I'll have to change it see what happens with some iperf tests
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• 1947[16:54:02] <frickenate> So here's the iostat output for my kernel/sys cpu problem: replaced-url
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• 1949[16:56:29] <jhutchins_wk> TomyWork: I found that my inkjet was drying out and clogging the head before I ran out of ink. Had to replace it several times. Finally gave up on color and went with a $70 Brother laser.
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• 1954[16:58:32] <jelly> frickenate: that's not 30-60 seconds of output
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• 1969[17:10:34] <SerajewelKS> is there a tool like "time" but that will instead report on aggregate network I/O that a process performed?
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• 1972[17:10:52] <jhutchins_wk> he Brother laser printer driver is only compiled for i386. Guides say it works fine as long as "the libraries are installed". I know this works on one PC where I've fiddled with multiarch before, but I can't seem to guess which "libraries" packages I need on an ordinary work desktop. Suggestions?
• 1973[17:11:21] <jhutchins_wk> I did add architectrure i386.
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• 1975[17:11:32] <TomyWork> jhutchins_wk yeah i have a samsung laser from about the same price segment
• 1976[17:11:51] <TomyWork> havent used it with linux yet, though
• 1977[17:11:59] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, just about the price of the replacement cartridge.
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• 1979[17:12:11] <TomyWork> basically :D
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• 2024[17:33:11] <juhisteri> I have tried to install Debian GNU/Hurd to my laptop, but still no success. I tried to make an installation DVD, but it would not boot.
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• 2026[17:34:29] <jelly> juhisteri: hurd does not have drivers for lots of hardware, you probably have to run it in a VM on modern machines
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• 2030[17:35:41] <juhisteri> jelly: Do you know any laptop, which hurd would support? Any old ThinkPad such as T60 or T400?
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• 2035[17:39:15] <jelly> juhisteri: I don't know but I've never searched for options at all. Try asking in #hurd perhaps.
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• 2037[17:39:47] <juhisteri> Thanks! :)
• 2038[17:39:50] <avu> juhisteri: probably not. AFAIK, USB isn't supported at all so chances that the input devices work are slim
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• 2040[17:40:20] <jelly> avu: thinkpads usually present the keyboard as PS/2
• 2041[17:40:28] <avu> ah, then that might work
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• 2043[17:41:03] <TomyWork> baby don't hurd me, no more
• 2044[17:41:12] <Whiskey`> ^
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• 2047[17:45:24] <avu> wouldn't have thought it but there does still seem to be some developer activity on hurd
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• 2049[17:45:41] <avu> 8 commits by 2 people in hurd/hurd.git this year :)
• 2050[17:45:55] <greycat> I think this is the first time I've heard anyone even *mention* Hurd in at least two years.
• 2051[17:46:13] <TomyWork> that's probably at least 3 orders of magnitude below linux
• 2052[17:46:16] <jelly> I hurd you were in wrong timezone for that!
• 2053[17:46:46] <greycat> so Hurds are nocturnal with respect to me, then
• 2054[17:47:00] <jelly> ,v keepassxc
• 2055[17:47:01] <judd> Package: keepassxc on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1; sid: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1
• 2056[17:47:12] <TomyWork> you're a cat, so you should be at home with that
• 2057[17:47:38] <n4dir> giving it a try sure won't hurd.
• 2058[17:47:50] <DanielTheFox> /me scratches greycat
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• 2060[17:47:59] <DanielTheFox> lol, that went wrong
• 2061[17:48:04] <TomyWork> n4dir it's not a big hurdle either
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• 2064[17:48:34] <n4dir> i sure got it running in qemu, ages ago. I don't recall if it worked on real hardware, but if it did, then sure it didn't work well
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• 2066[17:49:01] <BCMM> avu: how much of the hurd is that repo, though? is that the whole thing, or just the actual core of the microkernel?
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• 2068[17:50:01] <avu> BCMM: it's just the hurd, the other important one is gnumach
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• 2070[17:50:16] <avu> (which didn't have any commits this year)
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• 2072[17:50:37] <avu> and mig (which doesn't have any either)
• 2073[17:51:01] <DanielTheFox> :3
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• 2076[17:51:26] <TomyWork> how about freebsd, surely that must have commits
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• 2078[17:51:48] <avu> freebsd is being quite actively developed by quite a lot of people, sure...
• 2079[17:51:55] <TomyWork> (i know, that's the joke)
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• 2081[17:52:10] <avu> now Debian/kFreebsd on the other hand I'm not so sure of :)
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• 2099[18:02:07] <KOLANICH> Hello everybody. How to create a multirelease local repo?
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• 2105[18:04:44] <jhutchins_wk> KOLANICH: Didn't we go over this yesterday? I believe I linked you to two Debian wiki pages.
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• 2111[18:07:44] <KOLANICH> jhutchins_wk: yes. i have create a repo for stretch. I have added sid unstable buster testing into AlsoAcceptFor, but this still doesn't create symli ks for them
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• 2120[18:14:25] <DanielTheFox> awoo
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• 2122[18:14:59] <magic_ninja> anyone know where I can find the default vim settings
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• 2125[18:18:23] <jhutchins_wk> magic_ninja: What are you actually trying to do? Which vim?
• 2126[18:18:54] <magic_ninja> oh, I'm using vim and I made a custom config to turn on line numbers by default, but the syntax highlighting and such is gone.
• 2127[18:19:08] <magic_ninja> so I just wanted to get the default settings and copy them to my config file.
• 2128[18:19:09] <greycat> there was a change to vim in stretch; it's documented in /usr/share/doc/vim/NEWS.Debian.gz
• 2129[18:19:24] <zleap> I am trying to write a flashdisk with diskimage writer, if I click on the iso file and select disk image writer nothing happens, what binary file is this linked to so I can try and run manually please
• 2130[18:19:27] <petn-randall> magic_ninja: How did you set the custom config?
• 2131[18:19:57] <petn-randall> zleap: How did you install it? I can't find the package name.
• 2132[18:19:59] <Guest57775> Is there a better channel than this to ask about directory structure changes in the mirrors? I have a site local mirror of debian that I use to netboot and netinstall systems, and the kernels and initrds disappeared recently for stretch.
• 2133[18:20:01] <greycat> I think he's saying "I made a ~/.vimrc and the stretch magic stuff went away"
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• 2135[18:20:38] <jhutchins_wk> zleap: I presume you're referring to a link in a gnome menu. You should be able to right-click on the link and check the properties for what it links to.
• 2136[18:20:52] <magic_ninja> that is pretty much it
• 2137[18:21:05] <zleap> using lxde desktop on debian 9
• 2138[18:21:07] <magic_ninja> so either I add to system wide defaults or add the defaults to my personal config
• 2139[18:21:21] <magic_ninja> zleap, use etcher
• 2140[18:21:21] <jhutchins_wk> zleap: On the other hand, sudo dd if=/path/to/file.iso of=/dev/sdx
• 2141[18:21:29] <zleap> yeah
• 2142[18:21:53] <zleap> i can use dd, however that is not quite the point if the other program isn't working
• 2143[18:21:57] <zleap> would be good to know why
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• 2145[18:22:33] <jhutchins_wk> zleap: I don't see anything by that name in my xfce menus.
• 2146[18:23:07] <zleap> right click on an iso file
• 2147[18:23:17] <zleap> i can't find anything in the xfce menu either
• 2148[18:23:21] <tmroland> why dont they release gnome 3.32 for sid
• 2149[18:23:25] <tmroland> its been weeks
• 2150[18:23:29] <greycat> Freeze.
• 2151[18:23:48] <tmroland> freeze is for testing only right?
• 2152[18:23:49] <jelly> WEEKS
• 2153[18:23:56] <jelly> OMG
• 2154[18:24:00] <zleap> ok using dd
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• 2157[18:24:40] <jelly> !slushy
• 2158[18:24:40] <dpkg> When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
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• 2160[18:25:29] <jhutchins_wk> zleap: I don't actually know of a program dedicated to writing an iso to a device, so I don't know what it would link to.
• 2161[18:25:46] <magic_ninja> darnit, that isn't working either
• 2162[18:26:24] <jelly> zleap: debian install guide suggest using cp. Just like: cp /path/to/file.iso /dev/sdx
• 2163[18:26:38] <TomyWork> jhutchins_wk zleap quit calling it an iso unless there's an iso 9660 in there
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• 2166[18:27:50] <jhutchins_wk> TomyWork: What else would an iso image file be?
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• 2168[18:28:14] <TomyWork> nothing else, that is my point
• 2169[18:28:33] <TomyWork> but an *image* file could be anything, like ext4, btrfs, fat32, ntfs
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• 2171[18:28:53] <TomyWork> or even multiple file systems
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• 2173[18:30:03] <TomyWork> if you're dd'ing it to a flash drive, chances are it's not an iso 9660 image
• 2174[18:30:27] <petn-randall> TomyWork: but ... it IS an ISO file.
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• 2182[18:33:10] <TomyWork> petn-randall oh it is? well dd is probably the wrong way then
• 2183[18:33:21] <jelly> TomyWork: debian's images are hybrid, both iso9660 and bootable from usb at the same time
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• 2185[18:33:33] <TomyWork> oh
• 2186[18:33:36] <TomyWork> neat
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• 2193[18:36:27] <TomyWork> in that case, here's stuff to copy it to a usb drive: replaced-url
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• 2196[18:38:06] <jelly> TomyWork: cp or dd work.
• 2197[18:38:54] <jelly> for debian's images. I don't see if zleap specified what kind of image they were writing tho.
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• 2200[18:39:13] <magic_ninja> So the answer seems to be to open vim, use :echo $VIMRUNTIME to get a path, and edit debian.vim to get the defaults.
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• 2202[18:40:27] <TomyWork> jelly but they dont create the same result, according to this post: replaced-url
• 2203[18:40:38] <TomyWork> at least they differentiate between the two results
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• 2205[18:40:43] <jhutchins_wk> ,v etcher
• 2206[18:40:44] <judd> No package named 'etcher' was found in amd64.
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• 2213[18:42:54] <jelly> TomyWork: cp and dd? Copying blocks to whole device does not leave much room for variance in results
• 2214[18:43:28] <jelly> you don't cp a file to a filesystem. You overwrite the contents of the whole device.
• 2215[18:43:35] <TomyWork> jelly well, read the faq
• 2216[18:44:39] <TomyWork> it's 2015, maybe they since made it so the preferred method is overwriting the whole device, but i doubt it
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• 2218[18:44:48] <TomyWork> from 2015*
• 2219[18:44:49] <jelly> TomyWork: faq for what?
• 2220[18:44:56] <TomyWork> see the link i posted
• 2221[18:45:09] <jelly> TomyWork: I do not see any mention of "cp" in there.
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• 2224[18:45:32] <TomyWork> ctrl-f "copied"
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• 2226[18:46:28] <jelly> TomyWork: and why do you think this applies to debian-installer images?
• 2227[18:46:52] <TomyWork> because debian says it's isohybrid, and so is this
• 2228[18:47:03] <TomyWork> same tooling, too, by the looks of it
• 2229[18:48:07] <TomyWork> unless you tell me how it's not
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• 2231[18:48:45] <jelly> TomyWork: I don't know precisely how d-i images are made, I just know they are hybrid in the sense of being bootable as burned cd/dvd or as written usb stick without changes, and that's documented
• 2232[18:49:00] <jelly> no need to mess with it
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• 2240[18:50:39] <TomyWork> i would doubt the lack of need, jelly
• 2241[18:50:53] <jelly> TomyWork: whether you're doing dd or cp, they both do "... copied to the base disk device so that it overwrites the partition table" if used properly
• 2242[18:51:09] <TomyWork> if you have, say, a terabyte external hdd and you want to make it boot a debian image
• 2243[18:51:38] <jelly> you overwrite from the beginning and lose all previous data
• 2244[18:51:49] <TomyWork> jelly not if you copy to the file system, i.e. UFD2
• 2245[18:52:19] <TomyWork> i dont really know if that makes it bootable or not
• 2246[18:52:19] <jelly> TomyWork: however noone suggested that
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• 2248[18:52:43] <TomyWork> but if it's created by the isohybrid tool, it should be, according to the docs
• 2249[18:52:50] <jelly> nope
• 2250[18:53:14] <jelly> you don't _have_ to do that. You can "cop[y] to the base disk device so that it overwrites the partition table"
• 2251[18:53:47] <TomyWork> come on, now you're trying not to understand my point
• 2252[18:54:01] <TomyWork> i already brought the example with the 1 tb disk
• 2253[18:54:16] <TomyWork> so there's your use case
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• 2255[18:54:33] <TomyWork> replaced-url
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• 2259[18:55:08] <jelly> I was just addressing the bit about dd and cp not producing same results.
• 2260[18:55:26] <hesco> where would I go for support with mint?
• 2261[18:55:31] <jelly> !mint
• 2262[18:55:31] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
• 2263[18:55:39] <TomyWork> replaced-url
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• 2265[18:55:54] <hesco> thanks @jelly
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• 2273[18:58:27] <jelly> TomyWork: you can do all kinds of neat things probably includeing putting the image on a filesystem and still making it boot somehow, but that's prone to errors so we don't even mention that when users ask how to write an .iso to a usb stick.
• 2274[18:59:05] <TomyWork> fair point
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• 2297[19:10:27] <megaTherion> Hi, whats the prefferred way under Debian9 to run a custom command after boot up (invoking /sys)?
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• 2300[19:11:28] <greycat> I don't understand what "invoking /sys" means.
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• 2302[19:12:16] <megaTherion> greycat: changing a sys variable
• 2303[19:12:45] <greycat> so it's just an echo and a redirection? personally, I'd use /etc/rc.local for that
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• 2305[19:13:09] <megaTherion> greycat: /etc/rc.local is a thing?
• 2306[19:13:13] <greycat> !rc.local
• 2307[19:13:13] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd>
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• 2309[19:13:33] <greycat> systemd is massively overkill for an echo foo > /sys/bar
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• 2311[19:14:13] <megaTherion> greycat: absolutly, I just wanted to know if such simple things lik /etc/rc.local still work out-of-the-box
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• 2313[19:14:21] <jelly> arguably the script in sysfstools is a bit overkill as well
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• 2315[19:14:51] <greycat> Debian 9 ships a systemd service named "rc-local" which executes /etc/rc.local if it exists.
• 2316[19:14:53] <jelly> sorry. sysfsutils
• 2317[19:15:19] <greycat> ConditionFileIsExecutable=/etc/rc.local
• 2318[19:16:04] <jelly> megaTherion: if you really want an extra level on indirection in your /sys value setting, you can install sysfsutils and put stuff in /etc/sysfs.conf or /etc/sysfs.d/
• 2319[19:16:48] <megaTherion> jelly: ok thanks
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• 2326[19:18:37] <bolt_> cron's @reboot works too
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• 2329[19:19:48] <jelly> they gone. Now I have noone to show my paste!
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• 2331[19:19:55] <jelly> to.
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• 2335[19:20:16] <jelly> replaced-url
• 2336[19:21:00] <bolt_> neat
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• 2341[19:22:04] <jelly> and probably debian specific and if you look inside /etc/init.d/sysfsutils you'll bard and never want to use it
• 2342[19:22:07] <jelly> barf*
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• 2346[19:23:46] <jelly> I bet a grey cat can find at least two mistakes in it
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• 2358[19:30:47] <yahal> Hi, does anyone of you have experiences to disable a mail account on a server which works with openxchange on postfix and dovecot. I administrate a server and I get an abuse mail for mail account
• 2359[19:31:54] <yahal> I want to disable the e-mail-address until the problem is solved. The user shouldn't be able to send any mails
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• 2361[19:32:27] <bolt_> yahal: depends entirely on how your setup stores its users...
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• 2363[19:33:05] <bolt_> they might be system users, they might be in another file, a postgresql database, a remote sql server, ldap...
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• 2368[19:34:28] <cryptodan> the SOP for said server / mail system should have the process to disable the account
• 2369[19:34:30] <yahal> bolt_: If I set an e-mail in the postfixadmin on incative, does this do the job?
• 2370[19:34:47] <bolt_> what's "the postfixadmin"?
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• 2374[19:35:11] <yahal> bolt_: replaced-url
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• 2376[19:35:35] <yahal> Is a webinterface to make the adminitration a little easier
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• 2379[19:36:02] <jelly> yahal: you will probably want to ask openxchange people because there's likely and API or UI and postfix internals are not to be edited manually
• 2380[19:37:01] <yahal> jelly: I know that we configured the system the way, that if you create or delete a user/e-mail-address over the postfixadmin, it will createde/deleted in OX as well
• 2381[19:37:30] <yahal> to ask the ox-people was the last step I would try
• 2382[19:37:37] <jelly> I have no clue what postfixadmin is, sorry
• 2383[19:38:03] <yahal> Hm, hehe conosole junkies ;-)
• 2384[19:38:05] * jelly uses Real Unix Accounts for mail
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• 2387[19:39:29] <jelly> sure they are in special little databases to make things work, but still, getent passwd|wc -l ... 185552
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• 2393[19:42:09] <yahal> I have to admit, that I don't like to be admin for this email server. OX is a nice tool but I don't like any java applications XD
• 2394[19:42:47] <jelly> java is amazingly nice for servers, provided you have competent developers
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• 2396[19:43:33] <jelly> all my outgoing mails at $work pass thru a java filter, it Just Works™
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• 2398[19:45:55] <yahal> I think I will create a testuser to check out which setting in which program has the best effect
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• 2443[20:03:50] <cmj_> Hi all! I'm trying to block a website by redirecting it to my localdomain IP in /etc/hosts. It works for some domains and not others. Is there a better/safer way of doing this without using a browser plugin?
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• 2457[20:07:28] <petn-randall> cmj_: For which domains does it not work?
• 2458[20:07:48] <cmj_> Works for reddit.com, but not for old.reddit.com
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• 2462[20:08:23] <petn-randall> What does "doesn't work" mean in this case?
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• 2464[20:09:11] <cmj_> Apologies, should've given more detail. It simply doesn't redirect the website to localdomain when I enter it into my browser. reddit.com, however, does work as expected, i.e. it doesn't connect and gives a blank page.
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• 2487[20:24:01] <SerajewelKS> cmj_: your browser may have cached the resolved name. try restarting your browser.
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• 2499[20:32:17] <meglodon> hello
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• 2531[20:49:27] <meglodon> sorry
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• 2566[21:15:58] <meglodon> :?
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• 2577[21:22:57] <mearon> Hi all. Apparently I need firmware-amd-graphics from the non-free repos for my Radeon HD5850 to work properly.
• 2578[21:23:11] <mearon> But I don't really want to globally enable non-free packages.
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• 2580[21:23:42] <mearon> What's the cleanest way to install firmware-amd-graphics from non-free, without enabling non-free repos globally?
• 2581[21:23:54] <greycat> (1) download the .deb manually. (2) enable non-free, apt-get, disable non-free.
• 2582[21:23:59] <greycat> Those are your choices.
• 2583[21:24:18] <mearon> Hm, I have to think about that. Thank you very much.
• 2584[21:24:41] <mearon> (I was thinking of something like a package blacklist / whitelist, but that would probably be very... complicated)
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• 2600[21:32:46] <jhutchins_wk> mearon: Generaly there's nothing in non-free that would superceed main, and no reason for anything to install unless you specify it. Kinda like backports.
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• 2605[21:35:15] <mearon> Aha. I heard sometimes *free* packages in contrib pull in *non-free* packages from the non-free repo as dependency, but I might be wrong.
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• 2608[21:35:34] <mearon> (And I don't like non-free packages being pulled in w/o me noticing.)
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• 2611[21:38:36] <jhutchins_wk> mearon: Well, if it's a dependency, you're not gonna install without it.
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• 2613[21:39:58] <SerajewelKS> mearon: IIRC the contrib section is "stuff that's free but may depend on stuff that's not" so yeah, that's kind of the definition
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• 2615[21:40:56] <greycat> !contrib
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• 2617[21:40:56] <dpkg> [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb replaced-url
• 2618[21:41:10] <deicide-> how do i execute .sh file
• 2619[21:41:22] <greycat> chmod +x foo.sh; ./foo.sh
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• 2621[21:41:40] <greycat> or, put it in a directory that's in your $PATH already, and then just run foo.sh
• 2622[21:41:40] <mearon> deicide-: or: sh foo.sh (?)
• 2623[21:41:49] <greycat> Not a good idea. It might not actually be an sh script.
• 2624[21:41:52] <SerajewelKS> mearon: not always. the script may require a specific shell.
• 2625[21:42:00] <mearon> ah, right
• 2626[21:42:01] <greycat> Lots of people do stupid things, like writing bash scripts with .sh extensions.
• 2627[21:42:06] <deicide-> i have no idea what that means
• 2628[21:42:32] <deicide-> loader-linux.sh
• 2629[21:42:40] <new2deb> I actually came here with a question about the netinst iso with non-free firmware. Basically I am new to debian (coming from 5 years on xubuntu), but am having hardware compatibility issues with the normal free iso
• 2630[21:42:43] <greycat> chmod +x loader-linux.sh; ./loader-linux.sh
• 2631[21:42:45] <SerajewelKS> i've starting naming my scripts without extensions, because who cares if it's a sh or bash or perl or python or binary or whatever, when you're invoking it
• 2632[21:42:58] <greycat> !win SerajewelKS
• 2633[21:42:58] <dpkg> Congratulations, SerajewelKS! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
• 2634[21:43:09] <new2deb> will the non-free iso possibly fix those hardware problems? I am using a thinkpad x220
• 2635[21:43:16] <SerajewelKS> man i feel bad for third place then
• 2636[21:43:17] <apollo13> I mainly give them extensions for easy syntax highligthing
• 2637[21:43:31] <SerajewelKS> apollo13: vim can read the shebang and switch to the appropriate mode
• 2638[21:43:47] <GumShoe> For debian stretch is there a generally accepted repository to install php 7.3 from?
• 2639[21:43:59] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: you could backport from buster
• 2640[21:44:12] <greycat> Why the hell do people STILL USE PHP IN 2019?!?!
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• 2643[21:44:25] <SerajewelKS> we have a lot of legacy software on PHP still
• 2644[21:44:30] <apollo13> SerajewelKS: I know, most editors can, but still extension seems easier
• 2645[21:44:34] <greycat> Out of those people unfortunate enough to be required to use PHP, why the hell are they ASKING FOR BLEEDING EDGE VERSIONS...
• 2646[21:44:45] <SerajewelKS> it's cheaper to upgrade it to a new PHP version now and then than it is to rewrite it in something else
• 2647[21:45:02] <greycat> SerajewelKS: but he wants a *new* version of PHP! Why?!
• 2648[21:45:19] <GumShoe> I can hear you...
• 2649[21:45:20] <SerajewelKS> to be fair, 7.0 is out of LTS. though i suppose the debian security team still provides patches.
• 2650[21:45:28] <greycat> Why the hell would you want a *new* version of PHP for a legacy program that was undoubtedly written for an *old* version and may not work on the new...
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• 2652[21:45:44] <SerajewelKS> if you're seeing PCI compliance you may not be permitted to use 7.0 without requesting an exception (which is not a quick process)
• 2653[21:45:47] <SerajewelKS> seeking*
• 2654[21:46:17] <SerajewelKS> so the sane thing to do would be to use 7.1. but debian does not provide 7.1.
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• 2656[21:47:00] <new2deb> I have tried using debian in the past, but always ended up going back to ubuntu because it is easier out of the box and requires less configuration. But I support debian's values and want to make it work.
• 2657[21:47:30] <new2deb> I don't have a super great knowledge of the CLI, and mostly use gui tools for system configuration
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• 2659[21:47:54] <GumShoe> Media wiki wants php 7.x for newer mw versions. replaced-url
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• 2661[21:47:58] <SerajewelKS> i tried to use ubuntu recently and my video was stretched horizontally so much that it was entirely unusable. so i have a different experience. :)
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• 2663[21:48:11] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: 7.0 is 7.x
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• 2668[21:49:22] <SerajewelKS> there is sury, i guess
• 2669[21:49:26] <SerajewelKS> !deb.sury.org
• 2670[21:49:26] <dpkg> Short instructions for sury's php deb builds can be found at replaced-url
• 2671[21:50:12] <GumShoe> I meant x as general they have specific 7 versions for newer mw versions see; replaced-url
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• 2673[21:50:23] <new2deb> serajewelKS, i ran into a couple issues when I installed debian the other week. I used the minimal install iso and my machine kept giving me this issue:replaced-url
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• 2675[21:50:46] <new2deb> couldn't use sudo command although it was installed
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• 2683[21:55:06] <GumShoe> A thing about sury is that I'm not familar with ppa. A goal for my debian stretch install is to not break it! To not break it for continued updates ....
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• 2686[21:57:33] <EdePopede> simply don't install stuff outside of $HOME, /usr/local, /opt. and don't do things like `sudo pip` or even `sudo curl $script | sh` unless you really WANT to get hurt.
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• 2698[22:05:24] <greycat> GumShoe: so use an older version of mediawiki?
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• 2702[22:08:20] <EdePopede> ,v mysql
• 2703[22:08:21] <judd> No package named 'mysql' was found in amd64.
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• 2710[22:11:20] <SerajewelKS> ,v mariadb-server
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• 2712[22:11:21] <judd> Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.30-0+deb8u2; jessie: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; stretch: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.37-0+deb9u1; sid: 1:10.3.12-2; buster: 1:10.3.13-1
• 2713[22:11:24] <SerajewelKS> EdePopede: ^
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• 2715[22:12:07] <EdePopede> ah thanks. i forget about the -server/client thing most of the time
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• 2717[22:12:21] <SerajewelKS> yep. it's also not mysql.
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• 2719[22:13:30] <EdePopede> maria.
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