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12 [00:06:38] <Guest25639> anyone can help me, i got a host controller card for this old pc, lspci shows the card, but its not showing me the drives under lsblk..
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15 [00:07:08] <amicofl> anyone can help me, i got a host controller card for this old pc, lspci shows the card, but its not showing me the drives under lsblk..
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21 [00:11:15] <jcb2016> anyone ever used unebtootin to boot a live dvd of debian or anything live? i just tried it and it wont' boot
22 [00:11:22] <__m4ch1n3__> if drivers not load its mostly cuz missing non-free firmware
23 [00:11:55] <__m4ch1n3__> add "contrib non-free" to each line in sources list, apt-get update ; apt-cache search firmware
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53 [00:32:29] <TheRock> hello, is debian available for windows xp ?
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77 [00:58:37] <soda__hobart> TheRock: it is available for McIntosh and IBM Compatible
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86 [01:09:44] <Unplesantry> how do i get env vars into supervisor conf
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93 [01:13:02] <sharksforarms> Hey all, does anyone know of an application where I can simulate packet re-ordering?
94 [01:13:33] <__m4ch1n3__> can someone tell my why xpdf when open documents with lot sites like 2mb pdf book 200 sites eats up 8gb ram and freezes then Xsession?
95 [01:14:03] <__m4ch1n3__> thought it would be an lightweight pdf reader
96 [01:14:07] <TheRock> maybe you need more ram
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98 [01:14:28] <__m4ch1n3__> 2mb pdf needs 8gbram + ?
99 [01:14:41] <Unplesantry> lol
100 [01:14:55] <TheRock> yes , also there is a reason why debain supports 256gb ram
101 [01:15:07] <Unplesantry> what if the pdf wants to play warcraft
102 [01:15:25] <__m4ch1n3__> ah comeon read a book should be not noticable on ram
103 [01:15:49] <format_c> __m4ch1n3__: tried another lightweigth reader like atril ?
104 [01:15:59] <__m4ch1n3__> can play csgo in 120 fps and full shader quality but not read pdfs
105 [01:16:29] <Unplesantry> pdf has virus
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108 [01:17:06] <__m4ch1n3__> its on every book
109 [01:17:11] <__m4ch1n3__> ahh atril
110 [01:17:14] <__m4ch1n3__> neesas
111 [01:17:17] <__m4ch1n3__> needs
112 [01:17:18] <__m4ch1n3__> at-spi2-core atril atril-common libatrildocument3 libatrilview3
113 [01:17:18] <__m4ch1n3__> libcaja-extension1 libgail-3-0 libgxps2 libkpathsea6 libspectre1
114 [01:17:25] <Unplesantry> yeah dont mess w that
115 [01:17:27] <__m4ch1n3__> thats not lightweight
116 [01:17:34] <Unplesantry> debian opens pdfs no prob
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118 [01:18:00] <TheRock> perhaps you need to format your computer to reduce the pagefile and make your computer fast again
119 [01:18:03] <__m4ch1n3__> xpdf has no dependencies
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121 [01:18:29] <Unplesantry> oh
122 [01:18:31] <Unplesantry> right
123 [01:18:36] <__m4ch1n3__> is there another xpdf like reader
124 [01:18:37] <Unplesantry> r u using gnome
125 [01:18:39] <Unplesantry> ?
126 [01:18:52] <__m4ch1n3__> no super customized openboxsession
127 [01:19:04] <Unplesantry> thats y
128 [01:19:12] <__m4ch1n3__> very thin and efficient, 0-1%cpu usage 240mb ram
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132 [01:19:45] <TheRock> but why do you care so much about ram and cpu usage
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134 [01:19:56] <__m4ch1n3__> removed evrything i dont use inclusive dbus deamon, hotplug mout deamon and and nand
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136 [01:21:01] <__m4ch1n3__> csgo, but also just because i love have an super efficient linux enviroment
137 [01:21:29] <__m4ch1n3__> dont need all that crap, why should i always load it by default
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139 [01:21:42] <__m4ch1n3__> it doesnt make sense tbh+
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141 [01:22:13] <__m4ch1n3__> also full desktopde is general purpose set of stuff
142 [01:22:14] <TheRock> would you buy a car without interior ?
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144 [01:22:39] <__m4ch1n3__> its not the same
145 [01:23:36] <__m4ch1n3__> if i would want a os that loads a ton shit i dont need and does periodic stuff witout being asked i would change to windows :D
146 [01:24:25] <__m4ch1n3__> found a set of X enviroment components that exactly fits my usecase
147 [01:24:51] <TheRock> but what if your uncle wants to use your computer, play some small games, etc.
148 [01:25:06] <TheRock> nohting is installed
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150 [01:25:50] <__m4ch1n3__> its my machine, dont care how others would manage that
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152 [01:26:28] <__m4ch1n3__> also i configured near every part of my xsession and know its configs. if somthing doesnt work it taks me seconds to fix
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154 [01:27:03] <Unplesantry> mine is using 5gig or ram total
155 [01:27:15] <Unplesantry> debian 9 gnome 3
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158 [01:29:35] <Bird|otherbox> what's the easiest way to fix a package patchfile that doesn't do what it says it should? the 0001-fix-build-with-Qt-5.11.patch is incomplete -- it only addresses the issue with widgetcreator.cpp instead of adding the includes both there and in the other two places #include <QAction> is needed
159 [01:29:59] <__m4ch1n3__> if you break a dependencie thing on full de it will cuse a chain shit lavine
160 [01:30:32] <Unplesantry> lol
161 [01:30:37] <Unplesantry> shit chain
162 [01:30:37] <__m4ch1n3__> openbox cleaned Xsession is super robust
163 [01:30:42] <Unplesantry> ive been there
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165 [01:31:28] <Bird|otherbox> err, I mean, the aforementioned patch file in the librecad package
166 [01:31:45] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
167 [01:32:01] <__m4ch1n3__> slim und clean doesnt mean it looks like shit
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170 [01:33:29] <__m4ch1n3__> but no desktop icons
171 [01:33:44] <__m4ch1n3__> on the desktop
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173 [01:33:57] <__m4ch1n3__> only background
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178 [01:40:40] <__m4ch1n3__> high number of installed packages comes from all lib*-dev build dependencie packages
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180 [01:41:32] <TheRock> but this is good
181 [01:42:14] <Bird|otherbox> what's the easiest way to fix a package patchfile that doesn't do what it says it should? the 0001-fix-build-with-Qt-5.11.patch in librecad 2.1.3 is incomplete -- it only addresses the issue with widgetcreator.cpp instead of adding the includes both there and in the other two places #include <QAction> is needed, leading to a build failure.
182 [01:42:30] <__m4ch1n3__> pulled eg kernel build dependencies to recompile ath9k_htc kernel modulel with debuging and spectral scan
183 [01:42:40] <TheRock> if you want a real thin OS
184 [01:42:42] <__m4ch1n3__> enabled
185 [01:42:48] <TheRock> very FAST
186 [01:42:53] <TheRock> Go with "TempleOS"
187 [01:42:58] <__m4ch1n3__> :D
188 [01:43:26] <__m4ch1n3__> Dude jumped under a train
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190 [01:43:33] <TheRock> it has all the basic stuff you need
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193 [01:43:55] <klys> the local firewall seems to have chosen to block all outgoing encrypted programs such as ssh.
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199 [01:45:26] <klys> I'm halfway wondering if I should make a uuencode/uudecode client/server program just to pin some traffic through netcat.
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201 [01:46:01] <__m4ch1n3__> his short before last video he looked like dresden 1945
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206 [01:46:31] <__m4ch1n3__> shizophrenia, homless, car stollen
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211 [01:47:16] <__m4ch1n3__> jawbone broken
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215 [01:49:07] <__m4ch1n3__> he wrote templeOS in his own c dialect, holly c and compiled it with his own compiler
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217 [01:49:34] <__m4ch1n3__> allone
218 [01:50:18] <TheRock> yeah
219 [01:50:28] <TheRock> in one night
220 [01:50:38] <__m4ch1n3__> end was fuc** dramatic sad
221 [01:50:48] <__m4ch1n3__> 10 years
222 [01:51:02] <themill> Bird|otherbox: hmm... it's only 1/3 of the upstream patch, but it seems to build just fine without the other bits. replaced-url
223 [01:51:13] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
224 [01:51:19] <Bird|otherbox> themill, doesn't work on my machine!
225 [01:51:37] <Bird|otherbox> well, more precisely, the two missing bits of the patch seem to be needed when one goes and uupdates the package to 2.2.0-rc1
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227 [01:52:35] <Bird|otherbox> should I just try splicing the missing bits-of-patch into the existing patch file? downloading a new patch file from the upstream revision and somehow importing it into the quilt?
228 [01:53:00] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
229 [01:53:00] <themill> ah, that could easily be the difference
230 [01:53:18] <Bird|otherbox> klys: o.O does it allow HTTPS thru?
231 [01:53:20] <themill> __m4ch1n3__: wrong channel?
232 [01:53:38] <themill> Bird|otherbox: yes, adding extra patches to the quilt patch is probably simplest
233 [01:54:07] <themill> Bird|otherbox: or just replace it with replaced-url
234 [01:54:13] <__m4ch1n3__> thought maybe TheRock is interested in ... stop it now
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236 [01:56:17] <klys> bird|otherbox, yes, probably through some kind of proxies though, because I know there's an opendns blacklist running.
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242 [01:58:57] <Bird|otherbox> themill, replaced it with upstream patch, going to try again :) thx
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248 [02:01:35] <Bird|otherbox> themill: well, I got a "local changes detected" message and the build refuses to continue beyond that. should I pull the local changes into a new patch, and put the existing broken one back? or do something else instead?
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250 [02:03:50] <themill> you should have the upstream patch only in the debian/patches/ and not also applied (or any other local changes also applied)
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252 [02:04:51] <Bird|otherbox> I did not apply the patch, or any other local changes
253 [02:05:24] <Bird|otherbox> is there some other source of truth about what files the patches change that I need to update?
254 [02:05:59] <__m4ch1n3__> the patch files themself are diff files
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256 [02:08:31] <__m4ch1n3__> you can display changes on splitet terminal output side by side with diff
257 [02:09:39] <Bird|otherbox> __m4ch1n3__, yeah, I know that :) I'm wondering why I'd be getting an error about "local changes" when all I changed was the patchfile though
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261 [02:11:57] <Bird|otherbox> themill: maybe the problem is that the original (incomplete) Debian patch was applied already? if so, do I need to tell quilt to back out the old patchset before changing it?
262 [02:12:11] <themill> quilt pop -a
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264 [02:12:42] <Bird|otherbox> themill: will I need to put the old patch back to do that?
265 [02:12:47] <themill> probably
266 [02:13:19] <themill> there are ways of doing all this entirely with git but then you need to know far more about git...
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268 [02:13:32] <Bird|otherbox> right, and I really don't want to fuss with git repos atm :)
269 [02:15:54] <Bird|otherbox> OK, things applied cleanly now, or so it seems
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279 [02:18:56] <themill> you can check that it's happy before building with "quilt push -a; quilt pop -a"
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301 [02:42:32] <Bird|otherbox> themill, build success :) thx for the help
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388 [04:24:00] <Gigglebyte> Is fdisk called something else in Debian stable? i am getting an error message indicating that fdisk is not available and referred to by another package.
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390 [04:25:17] <dvs> nope
391 [04:25:17] <cheapie> Gigglebyte: It's called fdisk, and is in util-linux.
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394 [04:30:04] <Gigglebyte> cheapie> I have util-llinux installed. Initially I tried fdisk -l /dev/sdb and received an error that fdisk wasn't found. Subsequently I tried fdisk -l /dev/sdb1 and received the following info replaced-url
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448 [05:18:39] <melissa666> Gigglebyte: try running it with sudo
449 [05:18:56] <melissa666> i.e. --> sudo fdisk -l ...
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451 [05:19:44] <melissa666> the reason that it's giving you "command not found" is that the fdisk binary is in /sbin which is not in PATH of your regular user
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462 [05:31:07] <mvaenskae> what is the recommended installation instruction for tensorflow with cuda support on debian buster?
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470 [05:45:56] <rant> mvaenskae: replaced-url
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480 [05:54:19] <mvaenskae> rant: is there a reason why two different irc networks are used?
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488 [06:01:08] <rant> mvaenskae: well this was the official network many years ago, but debian officially moved to OFTC, all their channels are now on that network. This is still a larger support community here, but its no longer the official one
489 [06:01:22] <rant> personally I think they're a buncha damn cry babies :P
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491 [06:02:08] <mvaenskae> interesting to move away from freenode; must be something larger in the political game i don't understand
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496 [06:04:36] <rant> yeah.. there is the "official" story and then the other stories.. heh.. personally I dont care for OFTC, I been here for like 17 years..
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500 [06:08:42] <rant> mvaenskae: seems like from what salsa says, you can just pip install that thing with cuda support though
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502 [06:09:33] <mvaenskae> rant: it kinda works, the wheels must support the correct features; last time it gave me quite the headache
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508 [06:11:26] <mvaenskae> i effectively had to not only break my debian install quite harshly because cuda hates >=gcc-5 but also my cuda versions were not compatible with existing wheels online, be it either due to my nvidia drivers not matching perfectly or the ones which would have matches requiring me to do a hardware upgrade on the cpu
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510 [06:11:33] <mvaenskae> actually also motherboard
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516 [06:15:50] <rant> sounds a bit like the airborne projectile fecal material impacted the air circulation device's propeller blades and centrifugal force caused it to reach escape velocity at which point it was diffused rapidly..
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519 [06:16:18] <mvaenskae> i just want to not have to break this install as hard
520 [06:16:31] <mvaenskae> but maybe they adjusted the issue so i should give it a try
521 [06:16:47] <mvaenskae> but anytime pip comes up i cringe
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629 [07:54:48] <rant> idk I used to think that way but first time I ran pip was on a tiny lil arm sbc and it had apparently needed to compile a bunch of crap it was a nightmare.. I've used it for other things and they just installed like a breeze
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653 [08:13:42] <mvaenskae> rant: the problem is that pip needs to be run in a virtualenv else one can quickly destroy system dependencies
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661 [08:18:33] <vlt> pip is great inside virtualenvs. Without one you basically have two package managers fighting each other.
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669 [08:27:02] <rant> depends on what you're doing.. I grabbed mps-youtube without any issues at all
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680 [08:34:20] <jelly> rant: that just means you either were very lucky or did not notice breakage right now
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683 [08:34:46] <jelly> running pip install as root is, in general, very bad and that fact does NOT depend on anything
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690 [08:38:33] <ayekat> "depends on what you're doing" <- true, if you don't install stuff with pip as root, for instance :-)
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695 [08:43:00] <__m4ch1n3__> not doing anything is that ok? :3
696 [08:43:53] * mvaenskae should finally write an ansible-role for installing tensorflow for a local machine...
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699 [08:44:17] <mvaenskae> no matter what i have, something is always broken by "expected defaults"
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719 [08:54:50] <Renari> Does anyone know why libsvg isn't finding xmlreader here? replaced-url
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723 [08:57:04] <rant> jelly: heh.. I used it with care.. I ran it as a normal user and installed to homedir then moved it by hand
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727 [08:58:21] <rant> ayekat: I wouldnt compile something as root, so why would I run something like pip as root? :P
728 [08:58:31] <Renari> Nevermind I was able to pass the path into gcc.
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731 [08:59:30] <Renari> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
732 [09:00:08] <Haohmaru> who farted >:/
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734 [09:00:45] <rant> Haohmaru: you're welcome..
735 [09:00:51] <ayekat> rant: no idea... I think I misinterpreted your messages a bit after reading jelly write that installing as root is bad ^^
736 [09:01:12] <ayekat> s/installing/running pip/
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785 [09:30:55] <premoboss> Hi all. an association of elder people does periodical "introduction to use of PC" course for their members. they has a 12 second and PC running windows 7. THey has the tipical problems that came with windows (virus and so on). I offered them to install dual boot Debina int LXDE and install a tipical set of applications (firefox, libreoffice ecc). NOW THE QUESTION: i think it can be usefull to create a local mirror for
786 [09:30:55] <premoboss> installation during night (to avoid to use bandwith 12 times for installation on each PC). So, can be a good idea to do the mirror (is not a problem to use bandwith during weekend and/or night) or there some othe vay to cache locally all the debian tree?
787 [09:31:08] <rant> k_sze[work]: uh.. yeah.. don't expose the clear text password in the script
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790 [09:31:26] <k_sze[work]> rant, e.g., if I pre-hash the password using python's crypt module
791 [09:31:33] <k_sze[work]> And only show the hash in the script.
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795 [09:33:19] <rant> k_sze[work]: sure, thats the idea..
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798 [09:34:04] <echeveria> premoboss: there’s a caching proxy.
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800 [09:34:19] <echeveria> premoboss: look into apt-cache.
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805 [09:35:10] <k_sze[work]> rant: The question is, what's the most elegant way, given that restriction? I just echo the appropriate lines into /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow?
806 [09:35:29] <k_sze[work]> And mkdir a home directory, and chown it?
807 [09:35:52] <premoboss> echeveria, thanks. The idea is to create a local server that will provide .deb cache and otrher services as web filtering (privoxy).
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809 [09:36:33] <k_sze[work]> erm, /etc/group as well, but meh
810 [09:37:51] <k_sze[work]> I'm surprised there isn't a form of invocation of adduser that access a password hash.
811 [09:38:00] <k_sze[work]> s/access/accepts/
812 [09:38:19] <k_sze[work]> That would have been much safer
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817 [09:40:57] <k_sze[work]> oh wait..
818 [09:41:03] <k_sze[work]> useradd accepts a hash
819 [09:41:08] <k_sze[work]> I guess I'll use that.
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841 [09:54:52] <rendar> any clue why this is happening and how to solve it? replaced-url
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845 [09:58:19] <naicen> 有人吗？
846 [09:58:26] <naicen> 大家好
847 [09:59:55] <themill> !zh
848 [09:59:56] <dpkg> 如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助，請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道，連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明，或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作！
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851 [10:01:03] <naicen> @dpkg ?
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853 [10:01:28] <naicen> ok
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856 [10:01:41] <rendar> any help in english?
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862 [10:04:35] <fireba11> rendar: tried to force it?
863 [10:04:41] <rendar> how?
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865 [10:05:40] <fireba11> apt-get install -f
866 [10:05:56] <jim> that might do it
867 [10:06:07] <themill> -f is not 'force'.
868 [10:06:15] <jim> isn't it 'fix'?
869 [10:06:20] <themill> indeed
870 [10:06:36] <rendar> replaced-url
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872 [10:06:39] <rendar> this is the response
873 [10:07:26] <themill> rendar: you seem to have a mixture of jessie and sid. That's entirely unsupported.
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875 [10:08:17] <rendar> themill: for Christ sake, with the supported version i got packaged from 1999
876 [10:08:23] <rendar> packages*
877 [10:08:36] <rendar> so the alternative is using a linux from 1999 or NOT GETTING ANY HELP!?!?!?!
878 [10:08:52] <themill> umm, you're using oldstable and complaining about old packages?
879 [10:09:54] <jim> right, you can't install packages from other versions of debian, because you not only get the package which may or may not work, but you also import an incompatible dependency subtree, which could lead to things like upgrading without you asking for an upgrade, or an unfinished upgrade
880 [10:09:55] <themill> And no, you'll never get any help mixing oldstable and unstable. stable+unstable is not a supported (or supportable) combination either.
881 [10:10:20] <rendar> themill: i did a dist-upgrade to sid, i don't know why it mixed the 2 things
882 [10:10:34] <themill> from jessie to sid?
883 [10:10:34] <jim> you wanted sid?
884 [10:10:39] <themill> That's also not possible.
885 [10:10:56] <themill> Perhaps you should stay away from sid if you don't know these things already btw.
886 [10:11:09] <jim> or more correctly, no longer possible
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888 [10:11:33] <rendar> i think i have started here with a stable that wasn't jessie, but the next one
889 [10:11:38] <themill> You're not going to have a fun time of it if you're working from a position of not knowing how Debian works.
890 [10:11:45] <themill> not with that libc
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892 [10:12:05] <jim> rendar, what do you want versionwise?
893 [10:12:41] <rendar> jim: i want latest packages, and no errors, if i may not ask too much from life
894 [10:13:28] <jim> heh, sid might get you latER packages, but does not at all guarantee "no errors"
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899 [10:14:28] <jim> ok, anyway it's good to know where you're at. thanks themill
900 [10:15:03] <rendar> so what is the best thing i can do, now?
901 [10:15:03] <jim> come back to linux, we'll try to beat it into submission :)
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903 [10:15:37] <themill> If reinstalling is an option, do that. It will be easier than trying to disentangle that mess
904 [10:15:44] <jim> maybe you have to reinstall. but first, is your /home on its own partition?
905 [10:15:58] <rendar> jim: nope, it is in /
906 [10:16:12] <rendar> reinstall what?
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908 [10:16:26] <jim> ok, do you have enough unpartitioned disk space to hold your /home?
909 [10:16:49] <rendar> nope
910 [10:16:56] <jim> you running lvm?
911 [10:17:03] <rendar> nope, plain linux debian
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914 [10:17:31] <jim> extra drives laying around? (also, do you make backups?)
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916 [10:18:18] <rendar> jim: man, i don't want to format and reinstall linux
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920 [10:19:02] <jim> if we can get your /home on its own partition, we can at least preserve your personal files
921 [10:19:31] <jim> you're -far- down the "dependency hell rabbit hole, unfortunately
922 [10:19:31] <rendar> i have a backup of them of course, but i don't want to do reinstalls and such stuff, i don't have time for that
923 [10:19:55] <rendar> jim: debian's fault, i have just typed apt install commands to install nvdia drivers
924 [10:20:05] <blackflow> I srsly doubt that lol
925 [10:20:15] <rendar> blackflow: it is true
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927 [10:20:28] <blackflow> and the sid repo enabled itself?
928 [10:20:31] <rendar> you may not believe me, but that's how it happened
929 [10:20:42] <jim> the thing about going to sid, that had a significant role in this
930 [10:21:02] <blackflow> well yeah, I'm sure you typed just that, but you previously also typed some other stuff that enabled sid and essentially broke your debian
931 [10:21:03] <rendar> jim: but if i didn't do that, i was getting gcc 3.6
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933 [10:21:23] <rendar> debian problem that uses very old packages is a very well known one, and discussed evreywhere
934 [10:21:27] <rendar> so don't blame me!
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938 [10:21:44] <blackflow> lol. either you're trolling or just have no idea what debian is, right?
939 [10:22:05] <rendar> blackflow: man, even someone from here time ago told me i was right
940 [10:22:11] <jim> if you want later packages that may be available in sid or testing, you have to build the packages, so they are linked with the libs from the dist you have
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942 [10:22:46] <esainane> Eh? Even in stable, gcc points to gcc-6: replaced-url
943 [10:22:52] <blackflow> rendar: about what exactly? debian has "old" and (tested, stable, ...) packages yes, but that is what makes it debian. You're complaining that you took a tractor to a highway and crying it can't run at 200mph!
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945 [10:23:16] <rendar> blackflow: i wasn't able to work with stable debian!
946 [10:23:17] <blackflow> so don't sit in a tractor if you want to go 200 mph, sit in a ferrari or something
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948 [10:23:37] <rendar> if it uses gcc 1.0 what is the purpose?
949 [10:23:43] <jim> I tried to run 200mph, only got to 0.002 mph
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951 [10:24:06] <themill> rendar: your exaggeration and hyperbole are not helping anyone help you.
952 [10:24:16] <rendar> themill: i'm pissed
953 [10:24:19] <jim> gcc 1.0 is a long time ago :)
954 [10:24:25] <themill> rendar: then come back tomorrow.
955 [10:24:36] <blackflow> rendar: the purpose is to use a stable and tested compiler. !sns is prone to have many new bugs. each new line of code introduces a potentially new bug. debian does what it does for a reason. you're just using a wrong tool.
956 [10:24:37] <rendar> it's unbeliveable that in 2019 we still have those problems
957 [10:24:47] <blackflow> we don't. install ubuntu, nvidia 418.
958 [10:24:51] <themill> yeah, um, pebkac is independent of the year.
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960 [10:25:15] <blackflow> I do that. I want !sns on my desktop, so I use right tool for the job. I run debian in environments where I want to run debian, the right tool for THAT job.
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962 [10:25:20] <blackflow> !sns
963 [10:25:21] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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966 [10:25:44] <esainane> !ssb
967 [10:25:44] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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970 [10:25:56] <jim> rendar, not a good idea to ruffle the feathers around here, they're not really tolerant of that and you could find yourself without support
971 [10:26:00] <rendar> what i say, is that i get the stable is .."stable", but in my opinion packages checking should be way faster, plus those people who uses sid and "not supported" stuff, should be helped anyway, when i get here nobody ever helped me because i was using sid..
972 [10:26:12] <blackflow> rendar: so if you want !sns in debian, you have to backport it yourself, and then maintain it yourself. or, again, use right tool for the job.
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975 [10:26:43] <themill> rendar: it's not that sid is unsupported, it is that random weird combinations of packages spanning 8 years are not supported.
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979 [10:27:20] <rendar> themill: but how it's possible? i installed stable debian then i did a dist-upgrade to sid, why i have mixed stuff?!
980 [10:27:29] <themill> no, you installed oldstable
981 [10:27:47] <rendar> what is the next of jessie? i installed that one
982 [10:28:09] <jim> rendar, somehow you got yourself into this situation, unfortunately you got the later lib, and once that happens unfortunately you're pretty much screwed... no matter where the fault lies
983 [10:28:25] <rendar> i installed stretch
984 [10:28:27] <themill> also, upgrading from stable to sid is not necessarily going to work. You need to upgrade to buster first.
985 [10:28:48] <rendar> themill: i did that
986 [10:28:49] <themill> *and* you should do it in a two-step procedure, following the release notes.
987 [10:29:33] <jim> it's -no- good to try blaming the folks here, they may or may not be in the trenches of building the packages
988 [10:29:33] <rendar> jim: if somehow=`apt install dist-upgrade` then yes
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990 [10:29:48] <jim> yeah
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993 [10:30:45] <jim> not all combinations are possible, and apt/dpkg will let you go to the non-working combinations (unfortunately)
994 [10:31:07] <rendar> what about removing packages that cause problems then install them again?
995 [10:31:10] <themill> rendar: I'd suggest asking in #debian-next if this trigger cycle is known and if they can suggest what to do
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1000 [10:31:48] <jim> rendar, you're already past the point where you can go back. did you say you have backups?
1001 [10:31:51] <rendar> themill: here we go, always the same thing, if you're using sid we're not gonna help you, ask in that dead channel and nobody will reply in the next 8 hrs
1002 [10:32:06] <themill> feel free to solve it yourself.
1003 [10:32:07] <rendar> jim: i will leave this as is
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1006 [10:32:36] <jim> meet me back on ##linux
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1056 [10:51:05] <naicen> help me?
1057 [10:51:08] <naicen> *** Looking up your hostname...
1058 [10:51:08] <naicen> * *** Checking Ident
1059 [10:51:08] <naicen> * *** Couldn't look up your hostname
1060 [10:51:08] <naicen> * *** No Ident response
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1067 [10:53:05] <naicen> 检测到中文
1068 [10:53:05] <naicen> 英语
1069 [10:53:05] <naicen> Why can't I ask and get cut out of the channel?
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1072 [10:53:38] <bhuddah> naicen: too many lines paste. use a pastebin service.
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1080 [10:57:10] <naicen> Debian IRC et oftc ne sont pas connectés.
1081 [10:57:16] <naicen> what?
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1211 [12:38:47] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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1215 [12:39:43] <tobiasBora> I just got a graphical tablet Veikk A30. The mouse is well recognized on linux, but unfortunately the pressure sensitivity does not work, and can't find linux driver on the website. Any idea how to fix it out?
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1217 [12:40:32] <mutante> send a mail to the vendor?
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1220 [12:42:03] <tobiasBora> mutante: I'm waiting for the anwser. But I'm not really waiting from anything from them except for "sorry not supported"
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1222 [12:42:40] <tobiasBora> The thing is that someone sayed that "after some tweaking he was able to have pressure sensitivity on linux"
1223 [12:43:07] <tobiasBora> so I guess there is a way to sort it out, but I've no clue how to do that
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1225 [12:43:38] <mutante> tobiasBora: oh.. i see.. did you search for the full model name plus "on Linux" yet?
1226 [12:43:46] <mutante> that often works
1227 [12:44:21] <ussie> hi. do you know how systemd or similar starts?
1228 [12:44:41] <tobiasBora> mutante: sure... I've been spending my last 2h trying to figure it out ^^
1229 [12:45:06] <tobiasBora> so now I'm a bit desperate and I hope that some people here may have a great solution for that :P
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1231 [12:45:23] <ussie> I wanna use debian binaries to try build my own test "pico-distro" and I wonder how to make my own "init.d"
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1233 [12:46:26] <colo-work> why don't you use your own unit files to make your own "/lib/systemd/system/" instead?
1234 [12:46:42] <ussie> i don't want systemd
1235 [12:47:10] <ussie> i want to use standard init first
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1237 [12:47:37] <ussie> but i don't know how systemd starts - where it is "hardcoded" or what file tells what to run first
1238 [12:47:47] <avu> systemd is the standard init :P
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1240 [12:48:06] <ussie> systemd is shitty init ;)
1241 [12:48:48] <ussie> it is shitty "replacement" to old school init tool
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1243 [12:49:30] <blackflow> ussie: you can reinvent the work of devuan or just fork devuan then.
1244 [12:49:54] <ussie> i am not working of any project - just learning
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1246 [12:50:06] <xcm> you're looking for devuan though
1247 [12:50:31] <blackflow> ussie: so what would you want now, a complete treatise on how systemd handles dependency graphs, typed out here, by us, for you to learn?
1248 [12:50:35] <ussie> devuan isn't helful
1249 [12:51:01] <blackflow> how 'bout.... try this fancy new tool called google, it'll show you these "links" to webby pages that someone _already_ typed out and spent weeks or months doing so.
1250 [12:51:01] <ussie> i wont to know how ANY init tool starts
1251 [12:51:07] <ussie> where it is configured
1252 [12:51:26] <ussie> it is config file? hardcoded in the kernel?
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1254 [12:51:39] <blackflow> ussie: install Linux From Scratch then. best learning tool ever, to actually really learn the internals of a distro.
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1256 [12:51:43] <ussie> how kernel know what is this FIRST process
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1258 [12:52:28] <ussie> blackflow: hmmmm maybe you are right
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1261 [12:53:56] <blackflow> I know I'm right. You wont learn as much looking at a _final_ product that evolved over decades to hide away all the low level details (which you want!) and make it all usable and simple. You learn by doing all the gritty low level stuff yourself.
1262 [12:54:32] <blackflow> now, if you want to learn speciifically how _Debian_ does it, you first need that base knowledge, and only then can you properly understand Debian's specifics and abstractions.
1263 [12:54:33] <avu> ussie: replaced-url
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1266 [12:55:49] <ussie> avu thaaaaanks!
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1270 [12:56:48] <ussie> damn I have seen init= kernel parameter many times but noticed what it does :D
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1358 [13:51:59] <tgunr> Is there a debian channel/group on slack?
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1385 [14:07:50] <shtrb> how can I change a debian installation from grub-pc to grub-efi ? just installing grub-efi did not do the magic for me (debian installed on a usb key)
1386 [14:08:19] <shtrb> /sys/firmware/efi does not exist, but if I start debian installer /sys/firmware/efi does exist
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1388 [14:08:29] <greycat> You need an EFI partition and all the crap that goes inside it.
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1390 [14:08:44] <shtrb> it's there
1391 [14:08:52] <greycat> Why on earth would you want a USB device to boot in EFI mode, though?
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1393 [14:09:03] <shtrb> Correction it's on hardrive
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1395 [14:09:22] <shtrb> to have debian usb as a rescue mechanism instead of having a debian-installer as a rescue mechanism
1396 [14:09:25] <greycat> "All I did was X" "No, I did other things too" "It's a USB" "No, it's a hard drive"
1397 [14:09:29] <greycat> *plonk*
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1399 [14:10:46] <shtrb> let me rephrase , I have a debian installed on a usb that works. I wish to use it as a rescue media instead of having an extra usb key with debian installer
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1401 [14:11:24] <shtrb> When I need to rescue the EFI parttion and crap would be on the to be rescued device
1402 [14:11:27] <shtrb> hope it is better ike that
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1406 [14:15:05] <shtrb> greycat, ?
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1413 [14:17:57] <AlexNagySchool> Man greycat is on fire today.
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1416 [14:19:06] <shtrb> doesn't sound good after yesterday
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1423 [14:20:15] <AlexNagySchool> How long have you been using irc, shtrb?
1424 [14:20:29] <shtrb> Too long
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1426 [14:21:11] <AlexNagySchool> haha
1427 [14:21:24] <AlexNagySchool> Well, then I'll leave you to your machinations. (:
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1429 [14:23:58] <ussie> how can I see usb partition in hex editor?
1430 [14:24:05] <ussie> dhex /dev/sdb1 doesnt work
1431 [14:25:12] <shtrb> hd
1432 [14:25:21] <ussie> xxd seems works
1433 [14:26:29] <ussie> nope
1434 [14:27:14] <ussie> fuck what is wrong with Linux today
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1436 [14:27:51] <ussie> why the mount destination is written to the disk
1437 [14:28:28] <greycat> so fsck can tell you "this thing was last mounted on /sexx"
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1440 [14:29:16] <ussie> fuck this is stupid
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1446 [14:30:28] <ussie> is there any GOOD hex viewer for console?
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1448 [14:30:57] <ussie> when I say GOOD I meant hex editor made by not an idiot
1449 [14:31:24] <greycat> "apt-cache search hex editor"
1450 [14:31:29] <greycat> have fun trying them all
1451 [14:31:32] <ussie> yea I have tried some
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1453 [14:31:57] <ussie> most made by idiots - tries to load 10GB into memory
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1455 [14:32:16] <ussie> xxd is good but usless
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1461 [14:33:18] <ussie> i can't
1462 [14:33:20] <ussie> i can't take it
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1482 [14:43:31] <radkos> hello how can i make grub bootstrapper to boot always the first hdd
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1486 [14:46:28] <blackflow> radkos: you don't, that's BIOS selecting which hdd to boot off of. therefore, in the BIOS settings.
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1488 [14:47:03] <ussie> i am trying to find file on my disk using hexeditor
1489 [14:47:19] <ussie> mosty i can see zeros
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1492 [14:47:34] <ussie> searching doesn't finds anything
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1494 [14:48:14] <ussie> i can't even find content of the file
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1496 [14:50:30] <shtrb> radkos, you can setup default in grub to the first parttion in the first disk. but boot order in BIOS will be used before that
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1512 [14:58:35] <ussie> wxHexEditor - not console tool, but really good ;)
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1519 [15:03:01] <shtrb> !tell ussie GPT
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1524 [15:03:59] <shtrb> ussie, you will not see parttion like that, you have GPT and MBR which are located in different locations and not in /dev/sdb1 (disb 2 parttion 1)
1525 [15:04:04] <shtrb> !GPT
1526 [15:04:04] <dpkg> GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the Extensible Firmware Interface (<EFI>). util-linux's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>. replaced-url
1527 [15:04:10] <shtrb> !MBR
1528 [15:04:10] <dpkg> The Master Boot Record (MBR) is the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. To install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of LILO within the MBR) from Linux "install-mbr /dev/hda"; from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr", or ask me about <fixmbr>. See replaced-url
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1530 [15:04:13] <shtrb> ussie, ^
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1533 [15:04:51] <greycat> That GPT factoid is out of date about fdisk, isn't it? The stretch man page says it understands GPT.
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1535 [15:05:18] <greycat> Also the jessie man page...
1536 [15:05:28] <ussie> ?
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1538 [15:05:43] <ussie> but I opened usb disk in hexeditor and I can see files
1539 [15:05:50] <greycat> wheezy man page specifically says it does NOT understand GPT, so it looks like it gained that power for jessie
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1541 [15:07:00] <greycat> dpkg, gpt =~ s/util-linux's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>/Understood by <fdisk> since jessie, or <parted>/
1542 [15:07:00] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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1545 [15:07:49] <shtrb> ussie, Files and Parttion table are located in different places
1546 [15:08:02] <ussie> i don't need partition table
1547 [15:08:15] <ussie> partition table is in MBR
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1549 [15:08:25] <ussie> i use dos partition table
1550 [15:08:30] <ussie> so it is /dev/sdb
1551 [15:08:51] <ussie> /dev/sdb1 points to the first partition where ever it is
1552 [15:09:12] <shtrb> in that case what do you wish to see when you search for "usb parttion" ?
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1555 [15:10:20] <ussie> i wanna this to check if encryption is correct ;)
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1560 [15:12:35] <__marco> Hello. Someone using docker? I cannot access a local service I just created. From inside the container everything is ok
1561 [15:13:08] <__marco> I cannot find anything useful. I wonder if this is not a debian specific issue
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1563 [15:13:58] <__marco> host netstat shows docker listening to the correct port but for ipv6
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1565 [15:14:10] <ussie> i hate docker
1566 [15:14:41] <ussie> it is my nightmare on server machines
1567 [15:15:09] <__marco> I must live with it
1568 [15:15:29] <ussie> i hate ANY soft that changes security rules without my knowledle
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1570 [15:15:53] <__marco> ussie, agree
1571 [15:16:04] <__marco> tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
1572 [15:16:14] <__marco> still telnet get connection closed
1573 [15:16:33] <ussie> iptables-save?
1574 [15:16:34] <__marco> iptables seems empty (decades since I don't use it anymore)
1575 [15:16:50] <ussie> to probably it is a reason
1576 [15:16:52] <greycat> "connection closed" instead of "connection refused" means the connection was MADE, and then broken LATER.
1577 [15:17:01] <greycat> so check your logs and find out why your process dropped the connection
1578 [15:17:03] <ussie> docker puke a lot into iptables
1579 [15:17:40] <__marco> greycat, the process does not get any connection attempt
1580 [15:17:55] <__marco> greycat, only if I query it from the container itself.
1581 [15:18:00] <greycat> Well, if it's inside the Docker layer, then ask #docker.
1582 [15:18:26] <ussie> no iptables rules no working docker I think
1583 [15:18:28] <__marco> If I remember correctly previously I solved disabling completely ipv6
1584 [15:18:39] <__marco> ussie, interesting
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1587 [15:19:12] <ussie> I don't know - restart it and check iptables again
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1589 [15:19:32] <ussie> iptables keeps forwarding rules that allows you to connect to docker services
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1591 [15:20:16] <__marco> wait, iptables-legacy is not empty
1592 [15:20:39] <ussie> check iptables6
1593 [15:20:56] <__marco> not found
1594 [15:21:06] <ussie> so it may be a reson
1595 [15:21:10] <ussie> ohh no sorry
1596 [15:21:16] <ussie> 127.0.0.1 is ipv4
1597 [15:21:36] <ussie> what the hell is iptables-legacy?
1598 [15:21:47] <__marco> ussie, no clue
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1600 [15:22:01] <__marco> # Warning: iptables-legacy tables present, use iptables-legacy to see them
1601 [15:22:10] <__marco> this is what iptables says
1602 [15:23:02] <ussie> iptables-legacy-save?
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1604 [15:23:29] <greycat> You are not in stretch. You are in buster or sid.
1605 [15:23:40] <__marco> buster
1606 [15:23:40] <greycat> iptables-legacy is in buster but not in stretch.
1607 [15:23:53] <__marco> this is a development machine
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1609 [15:24:30] <ussie> have fun ;)
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1612 [15:24:41] <__marco> :-)
1613 [15:25:23] <ussie> i have learnt iptables and I it is going to be legacy - thanks
1614 [15:25:31] <__marco> replaced-url
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1618 [15:26:33] <ussie> show us "ip route"
1619 [15:26:49] <__m4ch1n3__> you're welcome
1620 [15:27:22] <__marco> replaced-url
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1624 [15:28:53] <ussie> cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
1625 [15:29:24] <__marco> 1
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1627 [15:29:43] <__marco> replaced-url
1628 [15:30:00] <__marco> this is /var/log/messages after I start the container
1629 [15:30:16] <__marco> IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP <- what is this?
1630 [15:30:29] <greycat> a typo, I'm guessing
1631 [15:31:06] <greycat> or there's more to the message and you didn't copy the whole message
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1633 [15:31:34] <__marco> greycat, it is from the last paste
1634 [15:31:40] <__marco> IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): vethfdb0d3a: link is not ready
1635 [15:32:13] <ussie> ip addr?
1636 [15:32:17] <greycat> OK, that is much more clear. Right, then. Now, since you do not care about IPv6 at all, you can continue reading.
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1638 [15:32:28] <__m4ch1n3__> operstate?
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1641 [15:33:21] <__marco> replaced-url
1642 [15:33:57] <__marco> if I am not wrong, vethfdb0d3a has ipv6 only
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1645 [15:34:21] <shtrb> how do I disable mice suspend ?
1646 [15:34:29] <shtrb> *mouse suspend
1647 [15:34:29] <greycat> So it sounds like a Docker thing. Try #docker. They might know about Docker things.
1648 [15:34:46] <__marco> I wil
1649 [15:34:48] <__marco> I will
1650 [15:35:04] <shtrb> I do not see anything in power mgmt (in kde) to mention mouse
1651 [15:35:14] <ussie> __marco: i last think
1652 [15:35:17] <ussie> damn
1653 [15:35:20] <ussie> __marco: last thing
1654 [15:35:24] <__marco> yes
1655 [15:35:35] <__marco> did not join the channel yet :)
1656 [15:35:37] <__m4ch1n3__> sure it is the mouse that is disabled?
1657 [15:35:42] <__m4ch1n3__> is it wired?
1658 [15:35:48] <__m4ch1n3__> usb wired
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1660 [15:35:55] <shtrb> wireless
1661 [15:36:09] <tobiasBora> Hello,
1662 [15:36:09] <shtrb> I need to click on one of the buttens to wake it up
1663 [15:36:30] <__m4ch1n3__> thats propably the mous that suspends itself to save battery
1664 [15:36:36] <ussie> i see something wrong here __marco
1665 [15:36:50] <shtrb> __m4ch1n3__, and I was blaming kde for that :-( thanks
1666 [15:36:52] <__marco> ussie, great
1667 [15:37:26] <ussie> can you ping 172.17.0.2?
1668 [15:37:31] <__marco> yes
1669 [15:37:35] <__marco> I try again
1670 [15:37:47] <__marco> but I cannot access the service from that address
1671 [15:37:56] <ussie> ok
1672 [15:38:06] <ussie> telnet 172.17.0.2 5000?
1673 [15:38:09] <__marco> no, wait. not now
1674 [15:38:17] <__marco> I check again
1675 [15:38:31] <ussie> you should not be able
1676 [15:38:33] <__marco> I restarted the service a couple of time
1677 [15:38:40] <tobiasBora> I have an issue: I have a python script that outputs in live some small lines like "3 1 24", and I want to grep some lines. Unfortunately, grep waits like 100 lines before outputing anything, so the output is really laggy. I tried everything I could imagine to force flush on both python and grep side... but does not work: sudo python /tmp/test2.py | stdbuf -o0 grep --line-buffered "3 1"
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1682 [15:39:41] <radkos> shtrb, boot order would not be a problem :) as I know the first hd will always be the root
1683 [15:39:46] <ussie> ip route add default via 172.17.0.1 dev docker0 metric 1000
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1687 [15:39:56] <ksk> grep does not do this as far as I know, I suppose your output is strange..?
1688 [15:40:04] <shtrb> radkos, are you reimplementing root=UUID ?
1689 [15:40:06] <ussie> __marco: ip route add default via 172.17.0.1 dev docker0 metric 100
1690 [15:40:14] <__marco> ussie, I can ping 172.17.0.2 but I cannot use telnet
1691 [15:40:19] <__marco> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
1692 [15:40:24] <greycat> tobiasBora: if grep is the LAST command, that's not where the buffering problem is. The buffering is in the writer, which in this case is the python process.
1693 [15:40:25] <ussie> ip route add default via 172.17.0.1 dev docker0 metric 1000
1694 [15:40:32] <ussie> not 100, 1000 ;)
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1696 [15:40:54] <ussie> it should help
1697 [15:40:56] <radkos> nope I'm trying to get rid of uuid - I want to make an grub image which loads the first hd0 as root
1698 [15:41:11] <__marco> ussie, I am afraid not
1699 [15:41:11] <greycat> grep, when output is a terminal, does not buffer its output
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1702 [15:41:40] <tobiasBora> greycat: even if when I remove grep everything is fluent? And I tried "sys.stdout.flush()" everytime I write... same issue
1703 [15:41:44] <ussie> ok, question __marco
1704 [15:41:50] <radkos> also after grub-install I noticed /boot/grub/uuid which depends on it how can I do grub-install without this or I need /boot to be on this image?
1705 [15:41:51] <__marco> ussie, yes
1706 [15:41:55] <tobiasBora> greycat: my python is replaced-url
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1708 [15:42:02] <greycat> of course, if you lied about the shell command and you are NOT showing the whole thing and grep's output is NOT a terminal, then you would indeed need to tell grep to line-buffer instead of regular buffering. In addition to making the same change on the python side.
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1710 [15:42:13] <ussie> check iptables-legacy-save result and tell me what it says in the line ":DOCKER"
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1712 [15:42:22] <ussie> it is [0:0] still?
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1714 [15:42:50] <__marco> ussie, yes
1715 [15:43:06] <ksk> tobiasBora: how about doing the "grepping" in python, with .startswith or RE, if need be.
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1717 [15:43:48] <__m4ch1n3__> while IFS= read -r line; do
1718 [15:43:48] <__m4ch1n3__> echo $line # do here things for each line
1719 [15:43:48] <__m4ch1n3__> done < <(COMMAND_WITH_CONTINOUS_OUTPUT)
1720 [15:43:52] <ussie> ok
1721 [15:44:12] <greycat> __m4ch1n3__: echo "$line"
1722 [15:44:29] <__m4ch1n3__> oh yeah
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1725 [15:44:44] <ussie> just for test: iptables-legacy -P FORWARD ACCEPT
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1727 [15:45:28] <tobiasBora> greycat: oh, it seems to work with flush on python side. Thanks!
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1729 [15:45:35] <tobiasBora> ksk: indeed it's another option^^
1730 [15:45:36] <ussie> and of course check this: echo /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/docker0/forwarding
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1733 [15:45:44] <ussie> sorry cat ;)
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1735 [15:45:55] <tobiasBora> greycat: so flushing is not the same if you use shell or pipe?
1736 [15:46:15] <greycat> The stdio functions buffer output when stdout is NOT a terminal.
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1738 [15:47:08] <greycat> You can do this to demonstrate: while sleep .1s; do echo "$RANDOM"; done | grep 3
1739 [15:47:15] <greycat> That doesn't buffer. You get results quickly.
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1741 [15:47:36] <greycat> Throw a | cat on the end, and now grep's output ISN'T a terminal, so grep buffers.
1742 [15:47:48] <__marco> ussie, I know the problem!
1743 [15:47:51] <__marco> stupid me
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1747 [15:48:07] <ussie> i know too :D it is docker :D
1748 [15:48:31] <__marco> yes, that and the service listen from the container only in localhost
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1750 [15:48:52] <__marco> It does not accept any connection from 0.0.0.0
1751 [15:49:05] <ussie> 0.0.0.0 :|
1752 [15:49:24] <greycat> 0.0.0.0 means "all IPv4 interfaces"
1753 [15:49:29] <__marco> I mean it does not accept any connection from the world outside
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1755 [15:49:37] <ussie> why ppl use 0.0.0.0 anyway
1756 [15:49:42] <__marco> I must make the service listen to 0.0.0.0
1757 [15:49:43] <ussie> i know it is docker, but still
1758 [15:49:47] <__marco> not 127.0.0.1
1759 [15:50:00] <ussie> i know, i understand, but why 0.0.0.0 :D?
1760 [15:50:04] <greycat> Binding a service to listen on 0.0.0.0 means it listens all ALL (v4) network interfaces, includig loopback and ethernet.
1761 [15:50:12] <ussie> exactly
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1763 [15:50:23] <__marco> yes, I know.
1764 [15:50:28] <greycat> Then why did you ask?
1765 [15:50:31] <ussie> i never do this
1766 [15:50:38] <greycat> Oh, ussie asked.
1767 [15:50:45] <__marco> greycat, no, this is the solution
1768 [15:50:51] <greycat> 10:49 ussie> why ppl use 0.0.0.0 anyway
1769 [15:50:55] <greycat> that;'s what I was answering
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1772 [15:51:03] <__marco> ussie, I think this is the way with docker
1773 [15:51:22] <ussie> if I want to bind IP I use IP. If I want bind many IP i use SINGLE ip, and bridge multi ips
1774 [15:51:34] <FinalX> ,v pdns-server
1775 [15:51:35] <judd> Package: pdns-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.1-4.1; wheezy-security: 3.1-4.1+deb7u3; jessie-security: 3.4.1-4+deb8u7; jessie: 3.4.1-4+deb8u8; jessie-backports: 4.0.3-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.0.3-1+deb9u3; sid: 4.1.5-1+b3; buster: 4.1.6-1; experimental: 4.2.0~alpha1-1
1776 [15:52:09] <__marco> ussie, even with docker containers? You don't know the ip in advantage
1777 [15:52:22] <__marco> shit, it works :|
1778 [15:52:29] <__marco> sorry for the noise
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1782 [15:53:18] <ussie> ok, it is your config ;)
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1785 [15:55:54] <ussie> this is exactly why I don't like docker - you don't know ip, you don't know system, you don't know anything
1786 [15:56:22] <__marco> you don't know if it will work
1787 [15:56:27] <ussie> 900MB ubuntu installation just to run little http service :D
1788 [15:57:40] <ussie> i love how ppl setup containers - apt install ruby php python nodejs and almost everything to run 48 lines of code
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1790 [15:57:50] <FinalX> heh
1791 [15:57:53] <__marco> this is the fault of who created the docker image. nginx alpine: 7MB
1792 [15:57:56] <ussie> ^ actually - how people write web services
1793 [15:58:35] <__marco> actually my 2-lines script: 143MB
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1795 [15:59:02] <ussie> no - I mean ppl who code stuff - 1000 modules for nodejs, python and ruby requirements, additional dozen of libs in dependency
1796 [15:59:04] <__marco> let's see with some more concrete
1797 [15:59:15] <__marco> yes
1798 [15:59:26] <ussie> finally - yes it is only 34 lines of code - but 900MB of another files
1799 [15:59:30] <FinalX> apt install nginx-extras # do everything in Lua, directly inside nginx ;)
1800 [15:59:48] <ussie> lol :D
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1812 [16:04:00] <Dagger> __marco: for what it's worth, sockets listening on :: can accept v4 connections too (so long as net.ipv6.bindv6only is left to its default value of 0)
1813 [16:04:13] <Dagger> you don't need to go and change that to 0.0.0.0. all it will do is break v6 connections
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1821 [16:08:45] <__marco> Dagger, the service listen to localhost within the container, i.e. from 172.17.0.2. I cannot access it from the host machine (10.10.4.118)
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1833 [16:22:30] <jhutchins_wk> Possibly this could be better persued in #docker, it's not Debian specific.
1834 [16:22:38] <jhutchins_wk> !docker
1835 [16:22:38] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, docker is #docker on chat.freenode.net
1836 [16:22:50] <Haohmaru> hahaha
1837 [16:23:03] <greycat> so informative
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1854 [16:42:25] <jhutchins_wk> You never know how good the factoid is until you ping it.
1855 [16:42:49] <greycat> I see all the Docker aficionados racing to improve it.
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1860 [16:47:00] <ussie> I know one great command for all docker users ;) it is very use full
1861 [16:47:04] <ussie> apt purge docker
1862 [16:47:14] <greycat> Wrong. Sadly.
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1865 [16:47:35] <greycat> The package named "docker" is a desktop environment tray applet thingy that predates the Docker.Com container doodad.
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1869 [16:48:41] <greycat> ,info docker
1870 [16:48:43] <judd> Package docker (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: System tray for KDE3/GNOME2 docklet applications. Version: 1.5-1+b1; Size: 12.5k; Installed: 41k
1871 [16:48:49] <ussie> apt purge docker* :D
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1873 [16:49:36] <ussie> judd - this docker is only docker I like ;)
1874 [16:49:54] <milkt> clear
1875 [16:49:54] <milkt> lsblk
1876 [16:50:07] <milkt> sorry mistype
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1941 [17:18:53] <__marco> this is when I try to install a package with dpkg -i. Can I instruct it to to ask any question?
1942 [17:19:00] <__marco> like apt-get install -y
1943 [17:19:05] <__marco> debconf: (TERM is not set, so the dialog frontend is not usable.)
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1951 [17:25:12] <__marco> jhutchins_wk, installing a package, better not I say which one, in a docker container
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2032 [18:03:04] <engis> hi. i'm a linux newbie. i'd like to make sure my system configured to disallow any remote login possibility (at least until i really understand what i'm doing). can i safely disable XDMCPServer? the option is set to false, but it's commented out.
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2036 [18:05:23] <SerajewelKS> engis: that is disabled by default
2037 [18:06:01] <engis> okay. anything else i should check?
2038 [18:06:27] <engis> or an advice on how i should proceed?
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2040 [18:07:03] <SerajewelKS> run "netstat -plunt" and make sure you understand each service that's listening on a non-loopback address
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2042 [18:07:46] <engis> SerajewelKS, ok. thank you. let me see.
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2049 [18:10:51] <engis> i guess 0.0.0.0:* is loopback? not sure about :::*
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2051 [18:11:09] <SerajewelKS> 0.0.0.0 is IPv4 wildcard, :: is IPv6 wildcard
2052 [18:11:15] <Sleaker> engis: 0.0.0.0 is any address
2053 [18:11:21] <SerajewelKS> e.g. those services are listening on all interfaces
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2056 [18:11:41] <Sleaker> engis: the typical default service to have on is sshd
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2058 [18:11:52] <FinalX> you'd write it as [::]:* for ipv6 btw, to avoid confusion.. and depending on how the listen-socket was opened, [::] also includes ipv4 (0.0.0.0)
2059 [18:12:11] <SerajewelKS> ^ also depends on the ipv6only sysctl value
2060 [18:12:54] <engis> in other words, i should understand what it's for?
2061 [18:13:08] <SerajewelKS> yes, if your goal is to not allow remote access
2062 [18:13:10] <engis> (i mean, i want to get there anyway.. but for the start)
2063 [18:13:14] <SerajewelKS> you can also just firewall everything incoming
2064 [18:13:24] <Sleaker> :-/
2065 [18:13:27] <FinalX> for instance in nginx you can do "listen [::]:80 ipv6only=on", and it will *only* listen on ipv6; but with "listen [::]:80 ipv6only=off", it'd also include ipv4 (and the addresses would look like ::ffff:192.168.1.1 instead of 192.168.1.1, usually)
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2069 [18:15:02] <SerajewelKS> engis: so if you see anything but 127.0.0.1:* or ::1:* then that is listening on public interfaces
2070 [18:15:12] <SerajewelKS> engis: if you are curious what the service could be doing, just ask here
2071 [18:15:13] <engis> not good
2072 [18:15:27] <engis> ok. thanks a lot :)
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2081 [18:19:24] <Janni> Hello. A shell programming question (sh/bash): suppose I have a command cmd which yields the string a=b, how can I actually define variable a to have value b using cmd? Simply `cmd` does not work.
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2084 [18:20:28] <Janni> What would work: let `cmd`
2085 [18:20:32] <Janni> Also: export `cmd`
2086 [18:20:49] <Janni> But neither do I want to export nor do I have arithmetics expressions.
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2088 [18:21:30] <Janni> I just found "declare". That might be it.
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2106 [18:31:12] <engis> SerajewelKS, for the first i've set the software firewall (Gufv?) to block incoming connections. the services listed with state 'LISTEN' are smbd, rpcbind, rpc.statd and tor. all the udp services do not have the 'LISTEN' flag.. do they matter?
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2117 [18:37:53] <engis> seems smbd is samba, which i don't need right? how can i disable it? or what else should i disable?
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2123 [18:41:34] <EdePopede> engis: my rule is, disable everything you don't neet
2124 [18:41:47] <EdePopede> meh. need.
2125 [18:42:50] <EdePopede> if you don't have windows, you don't need samba. if you don't plan to use tor, you don't need it neither.
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2132 [18:46:08] <engis> EdePopede, sounds good. any idea where i would configure samba not to launch?
2133 [18:46:39] <bipul> is this known issue? "firmware: failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8821aefw.bin " ? I am facing such issue with bluetooth
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2135 [18:47:40] <jelly> bipul, is the package for realtek wifi firmware stuff installed?
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2137 [18:48:23] <bipul> jelly, How to check? I believe when we install debian it will automatically installed the driver firmware.
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2139 [18:48:50] <BCMM> bipul: by default, debian won't install any non-free software
2140 [18:49:01] <bipul> Oh.
2141 [18:49:12] <BCMM> bipul: you need to enable the non-free section if you haven't already, and then `apt install firmware-realtek`
2142 [18:49:15] <jelly> bipul, do you install Debian from official images, or from images with firmware?
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2144 [18:50:27] <BCMM> bipul: see replaced-url
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2146 [18:50:53] <bipul> jelly, I have downloaded the netiso file from official repository
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2149 [18:51:10] <bipul> BCMM, Thank you.
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2151 [18:51:16] <BCMM> no problem!
2152 [18:52:21] <jelly> bipul, then you don't get any non-free firmware automatically installed.
2153 [18:52:25] <EdePopede> engis: i'm sure it is some systemd module now.
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2155 [18:52:44] <jelly> judd, file rtl8821aefw.bin
2156 [18:52:49] <judd> Search for rtl8821aefw.bin in stretch/amd64: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8821aefw.bin
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2158 [18:53:09] <jelly> bipul, enable non-free source and install that ^
2159 [18:53:17] <jelly> sources*
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2161 [18:53:23] <bipul> okay thank you jelly
2162 [18:53:24] <jelly> !non-free sources
2163 [18:53:25] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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2169 [18:54:32] <jelly> alternatively, use unofficial firmware images for installation unless you've thoroughly investigated and found out your hardware platform does not need any non-free firmware to operate properly
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2301 [20:08:49] <JohnDoe2> I be going cray cray. I can't figure out how Debian 9 generates its /etc/resolv.conf. In other words, I want to manually set nameserver without switching to static IPs and other junk like that. Tried dchclient.conf, network/interfaces, UI setting (lxde provided) ... it's ignored on reboot.
2302 [20:09:12] <greycat> replaced-url
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2308 [20:11:58] <ussie> i have problems with Debian and Virtualbox
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2310 [20:12:07] <ussie> i can't install Quest Addons
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2313 [20:12:18] <ussie> what the hell?
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2315 [20:12:29] <ussie> it was fine until new debian release
2316 [20:12:42] <greycat> Heh. Nice autocorrect or freudian slip.
2317 [20:13:01] <JohnDoe2> ok so I guess last resort, marking the file as immutable
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2319 [20:13:14] <jhutchins_wk> JohnDoe2: No, there's a way to work with it.
2320 [20:13:19] <greycat> I've done that one. Make sure you set up a cron job to remove the temp files periodically.
2321 [20:13:30] <jhutchins_wk> JohnDoe2: It gets the nameservers from the DHCP request.
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2324 [20:13:50] <JohnDoe2> jhutchins_wk yup, I set supersede in dhclient.conf and it still ignores it
2325 [20:13:51] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: he's been shown the wiki page that documents all that. If he feels it won't work, then so be it.
2326 [20:14:08] <JohnDoe2> greycat thanks for the link btw
2327 [20:14:15] <jhutchins_wk> Oh well then.
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2330 [20:14:59] <JohnDoe2> quite the annoyance though
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2332 [20:15:22] <JohnDoe2> anyway, thanks. I thought this would be more inspired than me using google :)
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2348 [20:20:40] <ussie> i have to change distro
2349 [20:20:41] <ussie> really
2350 [20:21:04] <greycat> OK.
2351 [20:21:30] <ussie> probably debian 9 is my last one
2352 [20:21:40] <ussie> it is going wrong way
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2354 [20:21:43] <greycat> Bye!
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2357 [20:22:48] <de-facto> hmm what is "debhelper-compat"? I cant find such a package... "Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12), dkms, dh-exec"
2358 [20:22:58] <greycat> ,v debhelper-compat
2359 [20:22:59] <judd> No package named 'debhelper-compat' was found in amd64.
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2361 [20:23:13] <greycat> Which package are you looking at which has that dependency?
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2366 [20:24:42] <de-facto> i am trying to get the latest drivers for rtl8812au usb wifi chipset from replaced-url
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2368 [20:24:56] <Norux> Hi everybody. How can I install veromix? I can't install it using sudo apt-get install veromix
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2370 [20:25:00] <greycat> Then ask the Kali channel. Maybe it's something they created.
2371 [20:25:18] <de-facto> e.g. i am trying to compile that for debian, stealing it from kali
2372 [20:25:32] <greycat> Then find the debhelper-compat package IN KALI.
2373 [20:25:32] <ussie> i don't know - better don't update your packages to newest versions
2374 [20:25:43] <ussie> something is fucked
2375 [20:26:02] <ussie> 2 minutes to boot
2376 [20:26:03] <greycat> ,v veromix
2377 [20:26:04] <judd> Package: veromix on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.18.3-1; jessie: 0.18.3-1.1
2378 [20:26:20] <greycat> veromix isn't in stretch, so if you are on stretch, you might need to add a jessie source
2379 [20:26:32] <greycat> results of doing that are not guaranteed to work, so do a backup first
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2384 [20:30:12] <de-facto> i think that package does not exist neither in ubuntu nor debian nor kali... hmmm
2385 [20:30:47] <greycat> !kali
2386 [20:30:47] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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2388 [20:30:55] <greycat> The kali channel is #kali-linux apparently. Try them.
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2390 [20:31:51] <greycat> Sadly, they hide their /topic so you have to actually /join the channel to see if they have a FAQ.
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2394 [20:33:19] <n_1-c_k> I have a Debian server with a serial console that for no apparent reason spewed only garbage into the console. On a reboot it cleared up. Is there some way to 'unwedge' it or prevent it going bad short of a reboot? A systemctl restart of the service didn't help.
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2398 [20:34:18] <greycat> Eh, there are things you could *try* but it depends on what actually happened. One possibility is that the terminal got into line-drawing mode or some other weird mode, in which case "reset >/dev/tty1" might work. You'd need write permissions on it, so be root, probably.
2399 [20:34:53] <greycat> Err, and that's assuming you were on a TERM=linux terminal. Best not to assume that. So, "TERM=linux reset >/dev/tty1" is better.
2400 [20:34:54] <n_1-c_k> greycat: I'd do that while logged in via e.g. ssh?
2401 [20:35:14] <greycat> And this is just a guess, and may not work.
2402 [20:35:24] <n_1-c_k> Or type it into my serial console?
2403 [20:35:53] <greycat> Oh, *serial* console. Oops. Well, you'll need to figure out the device name first, since it won't be /dev/tty1.
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2408 [20:36:20] <greycat> Serial lines have more ways to fail (mismatched baud rate, etc.) so you'd need to probe quite a lot harder.
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2410 [20:36:51] <n_1-c_k> greycat: ok, that's not a problem, it's in a .minirc file. The config has been untouched for months though, this is why it's disconcerting.
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2413 [20:37:32] <greycat> .minirc? Is that a config for minicom or something? That would be the client end, emulating a terminal. I was thinking of the server end, getty or whatever.
2414 [20:37:46] <greycat> I guess resetting both ends would be advisable.
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2418 [20:38:54] <n_1-c_k> greycat: ah yes, it's minicom on the client, and serial-getty@ttyS0.service on the server. The latter is a symlink to /lib/systemd/system/serial-getty@.service
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2423 [20:40:12] <n_1-c_k> So on the server, presumably as root, I might try "TERM=linux reset >/dev/ttyS0" if it goes bad again?
2424 [20:40:18] <greycat> If restarting the getty and minicom doesn't cut it, then perhaps bring the getty down, open the device, and do some stty commands to force the baud rate and so on? I dunno.
2425 [20:40:49] <greycat> "reset" won't hurt, but I gave that suggestion thinking it was /dev/tty1 (Linux console) that was misbehaving, not a serial line
2426 [20:41:15] <n_1-c_k> greycat: oh ok, thanks for ideas anyway. Maybe it was cosmic rays.
2427 [20:41:24] <greycat> reset just sends the terminal escape sequences to re-initialize the terminal emulator, which might un-stick minicom or something, but wouldn't affect the getty
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2429 [20:41:33] <n_1-c_k> ah
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2452 [20:54:33] <trysten> I used to do something like `aptitude -t jessie-backports`. How can I do something like that with contrib and non-free sections of a repo? I don't want non-free/contrib packages to be listed normally, only when I specify. Until now I've been simply removing `contrib non-free` from my sources.list
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2467 [21:07:13] <jhutchins_wk> trysten: I think that's your only option. You might look at the apt/aptitude/apt-get manpages and such. Usually it's not an issue, non-free stuff isn't installed by default. (Contrib is free but may depend on non-free)
2468 [21:07:17] <jhutchins_wk> !pinning
2469 [21:07:18] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at replaced-url
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2500 [21:25:52] <outoftime> I forgot name of command that returns string like "-lboost -I/usr/lib/boost1.66/include/" for "boost" parameter. Can you remind me?
2501 [21:26:50] <greycat> sounds like pkg-config --cflags
2502 [21:27:05] <outoftime> greycat: thanks
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2534 [21:48:44] <jcb2016> how do i do a offline install of debian?
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2536 [21:49:12] <outoftime> How to find out where *.pc config of `libboost-regex-dev' for `pkg-config' is? I have tried `find /usr/ -name *.pc' and there are nothing with "boost" or "regex"
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2540 [21:50:00] <outoftime> jcb2016: better do not if you are doing it very first time or have no internet access during that process.
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2542 [21:51:07] <greycat> well, replaced-url
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2545 [21:51:42] <greycat> If the package is installed on your system, you can just use dpkg -L on it.
2546 [21:52:07] <outoftime> jcb2016: replaced-url
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2552 [21:59:33] <outoftime> greycat: changelogs and copywrite, nothing more..
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2554 [22:00:25] <greycat> outoftime: even with dpkg -L? But apt-cache show shows a size that isn't close to 0.
2555 [22:00:34] <greycat> Size: 3674
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2559 [22:02:47] <__m4ch1n3__> jcb2016, easiest way would be pull ethernet cable before you start :D
2560 [22:03:19] <engis> lol
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2565 [22:04:50] <mason> Is there a list anywhere of themes that supply a nicely integrated grub-and-plymouth combination?
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2567 [22:05:25] <mason> Or, suggestions would be welcome too.
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2574 [22:09:07] <jcb2016> outoftime so if i have no internet access i can download the torrent-cd of debian?
2575 [22:09:28] <outoftime> mason: IMHO, I'm much more satisfied when I see a lot of green [ OK ] instead of some random nice picture
2576 [22:09:54] <mason> outoftime: Same. And based on what I see in desktop-base, I'm going to try out softwaves, which seems greenish.
2577 [22:10:03] <jcb2016> the dvd is bigger then the cd im assuming. does the dvd have all the packages i need? i basically need the packages so i can get wifi working
2578 [22:10:13] <outoftime> greycat: yes, I found nothing for boost regex.
2579 [22:10:20] <__m4ch1n3__> download without internet could be tricky
2580 [22:10:41] <greycat> outoftime: well, I'm leaving and I am not going to install this package just so I can run dpkg -L on it. Have fun.
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2583 [22:11:03] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
2584 [22:11:16] <jcb2016> __m4ch1n3__ that for me?
2585 [22:11:29] <__m4ch1n3__> dvd iso ~3gb + non-free firmware
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2588 [22:12:22] <jcb2016> __m4ch1n3__ is it better to get the non-free dvd iso?
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2590 [22:13:19] <jcb2016> i have no dvd drive so im assuming i need to have 2 usb sticks. one to boot up debian and one to have the firmware on it?
2591 [22:13:45] <__m4ch1n3__> no the iso contains firmware packages
2592 [22:13:57] <outoftime> jacksoow: you probably would like to get DVD version because there are a lot of things that are preinstalled. I just do not recomend you to go offline if you are going to install debian your very first time. You probably would like to ask few questions.
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2594 [22:14:01] <somiaj> jcb2016: That is correct (if you use the offical free images). Though do you have a good internet access, if so you don't need the dvd at all.
2595 [22:14:28] <__m4ch1n3__> also the 3gb dvd has multiple desktop enviroment packages, gnome xfce4
2596 [22:14:29] <somiaj> If you have a good internet connection, just get the non-free netinstall image, which will contain the non-free firmware to get your network up during the install, and then will download just the packages you want.
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2598 [22:15:09] <__m4ch1n3__> and can be used after install as source for apt
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2600 [22:16:15] <jcb2016> ok let me tell you my ultimate goal. im booting debian from a usb stick and want to learn how to install wifi on real hardware. i won't be installing debian to the hdd because its my sons computer. i just want to boot up learn how to install wifi and thats it. i need internet to use apt but since i don't have internet i need a dvd to be able to install the firmware. to test wifi. is this
2601 [22:16:15] <jcb2016> possible?
2602 [22:17:21] <__m4ch1n3__> the wifi isntallation is pluging the thing in
2603 [22:17:55] <__m4ch1n3__> all wifi driver are kernel modules and build into kernel by default
2604 [22:17:56] <n4dir> what's the point installing wifi drivers if you don't have internet?
2605 [22:18:29] <jcb2016> n4dir i don't have a ethernet cable
2606 [22:18:39] <n4dir> well, buy one?
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2608 [22:18:58] <jcb2016> don't get paid till sunday. im broke nothing in the bank atm o_O
2609 [22:19:04] <__m4ch1n3__> some devices require additional non-free firmware binary which is usualy a package called firmware-<vendorname>
2610 [22:19:19] <n4dir> but as already said by other, get the non-free installation CD and you can (probably) use wifi during installation.
2611 [22:19:58] <jcb2016> ok so if i get teh 3gb non-free dvd and boot wifi should be good to go?
2612 [22:20:10] <__m4ch1n3__> out of the box
2613 [22:20:16] <jcb2016> got it thanks
2614 [22:20:19] <n4dir> should work with the non-free netinst too, as already said by others.
2615 [22:20:25] <__m4ch1n3__> plug it in if its external and thats it
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2618 [22:21:05] <n4dir> imho pretty much the only use of the DVD sets is if you will never haver internet access.
2619 [22:21:21] <jcb2016> can i get a torrent for the non-free dvd? this iso is gonna take a while
2620 [22:22:19] <__m4ch1n3__> :D navigate to parrent directory
2621 [22:22:23] <__m4ch1n3__> ..
2622 [22:22:33] <__m4ch1n3__> like in filebrowser
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2625 [22:23:04] <__m4ch1n3__> on top there is "<- Parent Directory"
2626 [22:23:22] <jcb2016> actually im aT 1.7gb already downloading at 16.3MB/s
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2628 [22:23:40] <mason> jcb2016: Installing wifi is kind of an odd goal since there are so many ways to do it. For Linux, I'd recommend learning how to use wpa_supplicant and configure it by hand to get a feel for it, as well as iwconfig and friends.
2629 [22:24:06] <mason> jcb2016: Once you've done that, learn it again, this time using NetworkManager and nmcli.
2630 [22:24:15] <jcb2016> ok
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2632 [22:24:37] <mason> jcb2016: And if you want a real trip down the rabbithole, also learn how to do it on FreeBSD. =cough=
2633 [22:24:49] <__m4ch1n3__> if you want go pro
2634 [22:24:51] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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2642 [22:27:09] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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2645 [22:27:38] <tobiasBora> Does anyone knows where "xinput" saves/read the list of devices?
2646 [22:27:39] <__m4ch1n3__> iw, wpa_supplicant nnm use nl80211 library functions
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2654 [22:33:23] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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2656 [22:33:44] <jcb2016> ok wish me luck rebooting to dvd usb stick
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2669 [22:36:39] <__m4ch1n3__> damn firmware-<vendor> was not that acurrate, its firmware-<wireless-chip-vendor>
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2698 [22:58:22] <jcb2016> __m4ch1n3__, i booted up and the dvd wants me to install debian. don't want to install debian i want to try it out and just browse. i will install to another computer on a later date. can i do this with the dvd or do i have to download another iso?
2699 [22:58:40] <jcb2016> btw the wifi worked
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2702 [23:00:31] <jcb2016> im on another irc client i forgot who was helping me earlier. need to just try debian without installing but need all the firmware also
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2706 [23:03:22] <outoftime> jcb2016: you can install debian into USB stick (:
2707 [23:03:44] <jcb2016> oh thats nice :D
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2710 [23:04:46] <jcb2016> outoftime, how does that work with grub and all? i don't want the computer to be touched at all.
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2712 [23:05:30] <outoftime> jcb2016: google something like "live usb permanent changes"
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2716 [23:06:32] <outoftime> jcb2016: I do not know it very well, but main idea in few words: install debian into your usb stick. Partition it acordingly and install into.
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2724 [23:09:23] <jcb2016> outoftime, looks good i read replaced-url
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2734 [23:12:18] <jim> jcb2016, remember that ubuntu made extensive changes in their copy of sid, before fixing the bugs (again: debian would do that too) and releasing
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2740 [23:13:03] <jim> point being, their howto may or may not work with debian, and if it does, there may or may not be hidden consequences
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2742 [23:13:39] <jcb2016> ok
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2744 [23:14:07] <__m4ch1n3__> installation to removeable usb drive?
2745 [23:14:24] <__m4ch1n3__> like one wouuld install to hdd?
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2749 [23:16:33] <__m4ch1n3__> that wil make when one thing read/write IO everythiing else freez that long
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2752 [23:17:34] <__m4ch1n3__> thats not a good idea tbh
2753 [23:18:14] <de-facto> probably not the best idea anyhow since wear leveling on usb thumb drives would not assume to be tortured by write patterns which would occur from typical log files etc
2754 [23:18:47] <__m4ch1n3__> and makes a desktop env near to unusable
2755 [23:19:14] <de-facto> an overlay fs in combination with a ramdisk and some sort of syncing could solve that partially I guess
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2761 [23:20:14] <__m4ch1n3__> whats an randisk overlay fs
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2763 [23:20:27] <__m4ch1n3__> *ramdisk
2764 [23:20:35] <outoftime> __m4ch1n3__: man fstab
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2767 [23:21:53] <de-facto> for example on a raspi I use something like this to prevent wearing out the sdcard replaced-url
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2775 [23:25:45] <__m4ch1n3__> /tmp/ is also a mountpoint in ram or?
2776 [23:26:07] <de-facto> not as per default, its just on the root partition
2777 [23:26:44] <de-facto> depending on the expected size of it it might be a good idea to mount it as tmpfs though (i always do that on my desktops)
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2779 [23:27:45] <de-facto> e.g. something like this in fstab: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0
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2793 [23:32:26] <__m4ch1n3__> but where is data written when i copy write a file in /tmp/
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2795 [23:32:43] <__m4ch1n3__> *copy or
2796 [23:33:02] <mawk> that depends
2797 [23:33:10] <mawk> on your hard drive, or in RAM
2798 [23:33:37] <mawk> depending on whether /tmp is a tmpfs instance or just a directory on your root filesystem
2799 [23:33:39] <__m4ch1n3__> thats what i thought that its in ram
2800 [23:33:54] <mawk> you can do findmnt /tmp
2801 [23:34:01] <mawk> if you have no result it's on your hard drive
2802 [23:34:07] <__m4ch1n3__> ah
2803 [23:34:11] <mawk> if you have something with FSTYPE = tmpfs it's in RAM
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2805 [23:34:20] <outoftime> __m4ch1n3__: you can use tmpfs to speed up compilation time, doing `make' in /tmp folder
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2815 [23:43:40] <__m4ch1n3__> or run firefox binary from there
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2819 [23:44:14] <__m4ch1n3__> could speedup initial firofox startup with selenium driver
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2824 [23:46:42] <ksk> reading the files from disk is a bottleneck for starting a browser? not sure :)
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2826 [23:47:17] <__m4ch1n3__> firfox needs like 5 seconds ot bring up an instance on my machine
2827 [23:47:49] <__m4ch1n3__> when trying stuff out in selenium and lauching code again and again
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2829 [23:48:17] <__m4ch1n3__> im waiting most time for firefox instance
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2832 [23:50:30] <__m4ch1n3__> webwhen reversing a new unknown service/site
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2834 [23:50:50] <__m4ch1n3__> to find a automation procudure
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