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2 [00:01:16] <j0seph> over7head, funky. how many astro apps that you wanted to download have you found in the stretch repos?
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6 [00:02:55] <over7head> haha just stellarium for now... still searching for virtual moon and M13
7 [00:03:36] <over7head> i decided for debian because all those outdated astro distros was based on debian and debian has largest repositories...
8 [00:04:06] <over7head> but seems i didnt research enough before start to install it
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10 [00:06:03] <j0seph> over7head, at least you can learn from that mistake. derivative distros have the capacity to do odd things too. maybe they had their own repo or the like that contained all of that software.
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12 [00:06:40] <over7head> hm.. maybe i can try to search their repos
13 [00:08:09] <j0seph> over7head, it was just a guess so i can't say for sure. in any case, adding repositories that don't support your branch (stretch, in your case) can be risky
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211 [01:49:21] <shadow98> I have several bluetooth devices. I have two pair of headphones that are somewhat newer purchased within the last year. One of them will connect and I can get sound through it. However another will connect but just clicks and will not produce sound. It works with other devices just fine like my cellphone.
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215 [01:50:39] <shadow98> I setup the device and made sure it was trusted
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220 [01:51:49] <shadow98> replaced-url
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225 [01:53:34] <shadow98> I just connected them to my friends laptop who is running kde arch linux and they worked right away.
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272 [02:17:36] <tomreyn> bugs.debian.org (2607:f8f0:614:1::1274:39) port 443 (https) responds rather slowly for me. 14.5 seconds to respond with a 302.
273 [02:18:22] <tomreyn> most time is spent on the TLS handshake
274 [02:18:56] <nkuttler> eh.. real 0m9.898s
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276 [02:20:34] <nkuttler> actually.., that was the name resolution failing.. when it succeeds real 0m16.080s
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278 [02:22:11] <tomreyn> thanks for confirming
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281 [02:24:31] <nkuttler> but the target url is snappy
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288 [02:32:35] <toruvinn> tomreyn, report it as a bug
289 [02:32:36] <toruvinn> oh wait
290 [02:32:37] <toruvinn> ;-)
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293 [02:33:31] <toruvinn> that's it, no more looking over the shoulder. retpoline joine.
294 [02:33:38] <toruvinn> s/joine/&d/
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354 [03:22:16] <rsully> I have the KDE livecd running in a VM. When I run `debootstrap stretch /mnt` the file /mnt/etc/resolv.conf is created - is there an easy explanation for this? I assume network manager is running on the livecd, but why would it touch anything inside my /mnt folder?
355 [03:22:19] <rsully> cc ksk
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493 [06:06:13] <rant> is USB3 wired in some special way that an old USB extension would effect it? I.e. how PATA cables went from 40 to 80 wires?
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498 [06:08:19] <cheapie> rant: Yes, USB 3.x has more contacts in the plug (and more wires to go with it) - older cables will only work in USB 2.0 mode.
499 [06:08:39] <rant> I thought so.. and I was just looking on wikipedia and I am seeing there are more contacts
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505 [06:10:28] <rant> looks like I'd need to buy some newer extension cables at some point
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887 [09:26:49] <antto> when swap is used, and then later, there is enough free RAM available.. is there some command to make it move everything from the swap to RAM?
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1020 [10:43:39] <at0m> antto: swappoff $swapdevice && swappon $swapdevice ?
1021 [10:44:26] <at0m> *swapon/swapoff
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1025 [10:46:11] <at0m> antto: but generally, linux has great memory management, and what you're trying to do will probably just cause extra work without benefits. somewhat related, replaced-url
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1037 [10:52:47] <antto> at0m hm, i tried swapoff -a
1038 [10:53:05] <antto> swap usage went up, the command hasn't finished yet
1039 [10:53:20] <antto> ah, done
1040 [10:53:21] <antto> yey
1041 [10:53:25] <at0m> wait for it to finish. it'll dump the swap to RAM
1042 [10:53:48] <antto> yes, perfect, thanks!
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1044 [10:54:22] <at0m> antto: safer to swapon again. random errors will accompany you on the journey if RAM runs out
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1050 [11:00:20] <bingbotboom> i need a little area in ram to mount as a drive, what would I be mounting?
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1076 [11:30:03] <war9407> anyone here familiar with rsyslog? I'm trying to exclude the apf_core messages = replaced-url
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1093 [11:39:12] <at0m> bingbotboom: there's always /dev/shm/ for ramdisk. feel free to put there what you need, incl subdirs. and as with any ramdisk, it's wiped on reboot
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1096 [11:40:10] <at0m> bingbotboom: depending on configuration, /tmp may be mounted there, too. but /dev/shm/ always is
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1138 [12:01:51] <uio> Hello, is there a pdf spell-checker? I tried looking for one but have been unsuccessful...
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1148 [12:06:07] <uio> Or is there a spell-checker for gnumeric ? I produced the pdf with this application, but it seems to be missing this basic feature.
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1156 [12:19:15] <ksk> uio: found replaced-url
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1159 [12:19:27] <ksk> "Perhaps a spell check module would be useful to some in gnumeric, but
1160 [12:19:27] <ksk> not to most I wouldn't think. A spreadsheet is not a place for prose.
1161 [12:19:29] <ksk> "
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1164 [12:19:51] <ksk> sorry for the linebreak :/ seems irssi only warns about some treshhold (3lines maybe..?), gonna check..
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1168 [12:20:43] <ksk> and someone stating you should either use libreoffice or abiword
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1174 [12:22:22] <uio> ksk: Okay, thanks. Well, it sometimes is a place for some prose and I have ended up using Calc to do the spell checking for a Gnumeric doc. I think we can applaud Gnumeric.
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1176 [12:24:11] <ksk> I suppose its a binary format vim cannot upen? (I think there would be like any addon for vim or emacs)
1177 [12:24:21] <ksk> *vim cannot read
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1180 [12:26:08] <uio> ksk: I mean, I can just copy and paste the text from the table to any text editor, but this adds a totally avoidable step. Prime example of Linux not adapting to human users (ie, can you imagine a spreadsheet application in Apple or M$ that wouldn't have spellchech !?)
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1183 [12:26:20] <ksk> or, can you maybe somehow template your gnumeric input file (like taking the written text from $input, and do spellchecking on that seperately)
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1185 [12:26:30] <uio> ksk: But thanks for your help!
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1187 [12:26:51] <ksk> yeah, I get you, automate all the things!
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1189 [12:28:42] <uio> ksk: I don't know if I want things automated, but I just get bothered when I have to always go out of my way to get a simple task done. Like here again, Calc is missing some language dictionary. Sometimes solving the problems around doing something in Linux take longer than actually doing what you're trying to do. I'm all for FOSS, but I totally get people who don't feel like buying freedom at the cost of so much time!
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1256 [13:21:31] <jelly> war9407: all of them? something like... :programname, isequal, "apf_core" ~
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1466 [15:01:25] <DonK_KijotE> Hi
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1470 [15:03:06] <DonK_KijotE> could anyone lend me a hand? I suspended my Debian station and then wasn't able to wake up properly so I had to force reboot it. The thing is despite my keyboard working great before in Debian now it won't work on the grub menu so I can only boot into the default option which is not Debian. Could anyone help me or tell me what I should look into? Thanks on beforehand.
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1474 [15:05:51] <nkuttler> DonK_KijotE: try to power off the machine entirely? sometimes hardware needs a cold reboot when it's messed up..
1475 [15:06:16] <DonK_KijotE> nkuttler: I did so but I'm afraid the problem remains :(
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1477 [15:07:01] <DonK_KijotE> my guess is that the keyboards unresponsiveness would get fixed if I manage to boot the system and all modules are loaded
1478 [15:07:08] <booyah> DonK_KijotE: power off, wait 2 minutes, power on
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1482 [15:07:46] <DonK_KijotE> booyah: I didn't even give it 10 seconds... gonna power off and try. BRB and hopefully from Debian :) Thx
1483 [15:07:50] <booyah> DonK_KijotE: also enter BIOS settings and make sure the USB legacy something is enabled, afair with this set wrong USB does not work before OS
1484 [15:08:05] <DonK_KijotE> I checked for legacy and it's enabled
1485 [15:08:09] <DonK_KijotE> brb
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1501 [15:12:38] <DonK_KijotE> Hey guys, no luck :(
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1503 [15:13:04] <DonK_KijotE> The keyboard turns on when the computer is powered, it works to enter the bios and inside it
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1506 [15:13:35] <DonK_KijotE> but when the grub menu appears the lights are still on but it's not responsive :( I wish I had set my Debian system as the default boot option...
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1513 [15:15:04] <DonK_KijotE> gonna try disabling fast boot on bios...
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1600 [16:12:55] <charking> Hello. I just put Debian on someone's Windows laptop. They have an SD Card with some files on it from Windows, but it shows up as "Free Space" in GNOME Disks. Is there a way to get the partition to show up?
1601 [16:13:56] <charking> I have another Debian computer that sees it as exFAT! Not sure what the difference is. I'll investigate.
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1603 [16:14:33] <n4dir> beyond me, but as soon i hear Windows i think of ntfs-3g
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1614 [16:19:25] <OerHeks> for exfat, you would need 2 utils, exfat fuse and exfat utils, then reinsert that sdcard again
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1635 [16:30:47] <charking> exfat-fuse and exfat-utils are on both laptops. One can see the exFAT partition on the SD Card and the other can't. Both recognize the presence of the SD Card. Any ideas?
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1639 [16:31:12] <charking> Both are Debian 9.8
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1645 [16:32:00] <charking> ! It's working now on both laptops. I didn't change anything. ??
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1652 [16:34:49] <charking> I ejected and re-inserted and now the exFAT partition isn't deteced again. :/ So it seems to not consistently see the SD Card exFAT partition.
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1685 [16:46:52] <BCMM> charking: any chance the card itself is giving inconsistent data? any read errors in dmesg when you connect it?
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1694 [16:49:57] <DonK_KijotE> Hi again :)
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1709 [17:00:25] <tmroland> wow gnome 3.32 is still slow as moleasses
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1717 [17:03:31] <Deihmos> pretty fast to me
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1723 [17:04:04] <Deihmos> i installed listchanges with unattended updates but i have yet to receive a single message from it
1724 [17:04:18] <Deihmos> anyone use it? i get emails when something is updated
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1737 [17:11:05] <n_1-c_k> If you are familiar with live-build: what is the incantation to have it build an image that includes some package "foo"?
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1749 [17:17:33] <charking> BCMM: /var/log/messages said something about being unable to read the partition table, I think. Temporarily no access to the laptop though to further debug. Thanks for the suggestion
1750 [17:17:58] <charking> BCMM: I will try to try with another card to see if it's the card or the system
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1754 [17:20:30] <n4dir> n_1-c_k: it's been ages, but look if this page may help (add "foo" to config/package-lists) replaced-url
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1756 [17:21:17] <n_1-c_k> n4dir: that looks hopeful, thanks
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1760 [17:22:03] <n4dir> n_1-c_k: back in the days live-build was a "burner" at forums.debian.net, but not anymore, and i couldn't find anything useful via websearch.
1761 [17:22:19] <n4dir> but i only searched quickly, if you got the time, search forums.debian.net, perhaps
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1768 [17:31:56] <jhutchins> !live
1769 [17:31:56] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
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1771 [17:33:07] <jhutchins> n_1-c_k: See also pendrivelinux.com for lots of information about building your own live images.
1772 [17:33:55] <jhutchins> n_1-c_k: There are also "iso editors" that provide a wrapper around unpacking an iso, modifying the filestructure, and rebuilding it.
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1775 [17:35:05] <tmroland> is gnome 3.32 in debian experimental/unstable yet?
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1779 [17:38:42] <n_1-c_k> n4dir: I'm seeing signs of my package getting included, this is progress.
1780 [17:38:58] <n_1-c_k> jhutchins: thanks, I might avail myself of those.
1781 [17:39:34] <n4dir> good luck in each case. ain't easy to find help with it these days. i guess.
1782 [17:40:08] <n4dir> there is a non-debian tool called refractasnapshot. might be handy, depending what exactly you want.
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1792 [17:46:27] <slacker_nl> hi guys, I'm getting a core dump with zsh on debian testing
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1813 [17:57:39] <sshTAPs> hey how can I get the necessary drivers and such to make an X200/T500 thinkpad internal web camera work?
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1819 [18:00:32] <sshTAPs> all the guides are like 2003 lol
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1824 [18:05:59] <sshTAPs> cheese, ok nm. will test and maybe come back lol
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1828 [18:07:04] <areyouloco> how can i set english for the output of make command? via some envariomental variable but which one is it?
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1835 [18:14:52] <choice> In Debian 8, how do you restart apache?
1836 [18:15:11] <choice> "service apache2 restart"?
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1838 [18:16:33] <nkuttler> areyouloco: see man locale, LC_ALL
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1853 [18:22:11] <areyouloco> nkuttler: thank will look into that
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1868 [18:28:29] <areyouloco> nkuttler: thanks I reconfigured locales to add enfglish ones and localepurge but output of make is still in polish
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1870 [18:29:39] <nkuttler> what's the output of "locale"?
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1873 [18:30:00] <areyouloco> everythign pl_PL.UTF-8
1874 [18:30:17] <nkuttler> so set LC_ALL
1875 [18:30:25] <areyouloco> i did sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales and have set default to en_UTF8
1876 [18:30:26] <nkuttler> !localized errors
1877 [18:30:26] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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1879 [18:30:29] <nkuttler> like this
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1884 [18:31:14] <areyouloco> compiling
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1889 [18:33:24] <areyouloco> i runned command=> colormake LC_ALL=C ARCH=arm64 CROSS_COMPILE=/home/areyouloco/code/ANDROID_BUILD/toolchain/bin/aarch64-linux-android-
1890 [18:33:38] <areyouloco> and it's still in english
1891 [18:34:18] <areyouloco> I think I wouldn't mind on setting whole system language to english
1892 [18:34:24] <areyouloco> mistake *polish
1893 [18:34:36] <nkuttler> the env var goes *before* the command..
1894 [18:35:27] <areyouloco> **before** compiling:D
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1900 [18:37:24] <areyouloco> ok progress but it's half-half now
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1902 [18:38:15] <areyouloco> it looks like this replaced-url
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1907 [18:42:58] <format_c> it depends if the application (here the compiler) has implemented *every* text as a translatable text or if for a certain text, a translated text for the target language (here Polish) is available.
1908 [18:43:46] <format_c> I'm pretty sure, that the error and warning messages of the GNU compiler are not translated on purpose.
1909 [18:44:00] <areyouloco> nope they arent
1910 [18:44:31] <areyouloco> ok nkuttler and format_c thanks fot the hints it's fine by now.
1911 [18:45:21] <areyouloco> where would you point me to help me debug the compiler errors? I don't really know C++ in my life I wrote only some stupid basic calc
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2019 [19:56:21] <n_1-c_k> n4dir: eventually I succeeded in my live-build mission, thanks for pointing me to that documentation.
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2023 [19:57:05] <n_1-c_k> areyouloco: sure, replaced-url
2024 [19:57:44] <areyouloco> oww live-manual i thouth it's somethign else. I once tried to translate everything to polish
2025 [19:57:48] <areyouloco> almost finished
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2145 [21:16:43] <seekr> getting close to bedtime, diogenes_? |-)
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2152 [21:19:32] <seekr> diogenes_: It's getting close to a time when I'll have to decide how to lay out a new 6TB drive, esp. whether to use LVM, so its contents can be remapped and/or extended later. I've just finished copying stuff from various drives to another 6TB one.
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2156 [21:21:14] <seekr> diogenes_: The root partition on the old system uses both LVM and LUKS - all set up by the installer. But I gotta learn how to do it by hand, since I'll be cloning a Mint install.
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2160 [21:24:45] <diogenes_> seekr, hello, why would you go with encrypting stuff? i mean do you have any top secret info that has to be encrypted because encryption will work but if you happen to get a broken system then it will be very very difficult to even back up the data out of an encrypted volume
2161 [21:24:54] <diogenes_> so i'd go without it
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2167 [21:27:55] <seekr> diogenes_: pls see PM
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2186 [21:39:06] <rant> seekr: I just bought two 3TB drives to use for filesharing at home, and I opted against using LVM and just use them as two seperate drives.. because if you don't use RAID in combination with LVM you are basically saying you don't really care about the data..
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2188 [21:39:45] <seekr> hmmm - thanks, rant
2189 [21:40:13] <SwedeMike> raid is an uptime tool, backups is for when you care about your data.
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2192 [21:41:18] <rant> yes this is true, but most levels provide fault tolerance covering you in disk failures.. and thats what I figured, for now not using LVM to tie the two 3TB drives into a 6TB volume would allow me to backup certain things to both disks
2193 [21:42:00] <seekr> I'll have to study the subject more thoroughly.
2194 [21:42:02] <dondelelcaro> rant: that's not quite true, unless you want a single 6T volume
2195 [21:42:35] <dondelelcaro> (though you *will* lose data on volumes which spans the physical extents
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2201 [21:44:38] <rant> I plan to eventually setup a real server with RAID5 or RAID6 and have backups, but for now I spent $100 and got two 3TB HGST Ultrastar 7k4000 drives and a two bay USB3 dock and hooked it to a HP T520 Thin Client and have usable network storage, albiet far from ideal :D
2202 [21:44:53] <seekr> Does LVM splatter data around onto various volumes?
2203 [21:45:10] <dondelelcaro> seekr: it depends on the allocation configuration
2204 [21:45:27] <seekr> yeah - I also got 6TB HGST drives, for $100 apiece.
2205 [21:45:34] <SwedeMike> rant: I have personally experienced two instances of raid6 total data loss due to half of the drives just going kaputt.
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2208 [21:47:24] <rant> seekr: I got these 3TB ones for $39/ea right now pretty much anywhere the 3.5in SATA 3TB and 4TB quantities are the lowest cost/size
2209 [21:47:31] <dondelelcaro> (I think the default is linear, but I have to admit I usually put LVM on RAID, so I only run into this issue when I have LVM spanning multiple RAIDs)
2210 [21:48:37] <seekr> rant: good deal - problem is, I have only four SATA ports on the (ASUS) mobo, so I'm limited in internal storage - can add more external drives later if need be, tho
2211 [21:49:36] <rant> seekr: yeah well all I had was an orange pi, two thin clients, and laptops.. heh.. so.. I bought a 2bay USB3 dock with standalone duplicator function for now, and just used a thin client for a server
2212 [21:49:52] <seekr> dondelelcaro, rant - sounds as if I should skip LVM for now
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2216 [21:50:29] <rant> I only get about 9-10mb/sec to wireless clients over my lan using even scp, but I have 6TB of network storage for the time being and only spent about $100 total
2217 [21:50:52] <seekr> not bad, rant
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2220 [21:51:07] <rant> seekr: if you're only doing LVM on a single disk, its not that big of an issue aside from management/recovery issues that could be introduced by technical debt if you don't know how it works
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2225 [21:52:09] <seekr> rant: I was only planning to use LVM on a single drive - thought maybe I could span to a second drive later - but if it's risky, might be better to avoid
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2227 [21:53:15] <rant> makes it nearly impossible to say what data goes on which drive and if you would be able to recover any of it in a single disk failure
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2229 [21:53:26] <dondelelcaro> seekr: I'd actually suggest using LVM even if you're doing single disk
2230 [21:53:37] <seekr> dondelelcaro: yeah? why??
2231 [21:53:43] <dondelelcaro> seekr: the advantage is that it makes migrating disks much, much easier
2232 [21:53:57] <dondelelcaro> seekr: I can migrate LVM from one physical disk to another without downtime
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2235 [21:54:10] <seekr> dondelelcaro: that was my initial thought - maybe you could debate rant, and I could learn thereby :)
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2237 [21:55:05] <dondelelcaro> and there's nothing which stops you from having 2 volume groups each on top of one physical volume
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2240 [21:55:23] <rant> debating me isn't all too constructive cause dondelelcaro is a DD, works at an AI lab in berkeley last I checked, and has lots of experience with this stuff, where I only use LVM cause I'm lazy and D-I set it up that way for my encrypted rootfs :D
2241 [21:56:05] <seekr> rant: ah - I'm a Berkeley alum - but I studied CS there back in the stone age :)
2242 [21:56:11] <dondelelcaro> rant: it's still good to discuss; you're raising good points
2243 [21:56:17] <rant> I fear the abstractions of RAID and LVM where not really necessary cause I dont have that kinda experience with them, and would make me feel helpless if SHTF
2244 [21:56:38] <dondelelcaro> I'm not at berkeley; I used to be at UIUC, but now I'm in industry.
2245 [21:56:52] <seekr> ah, dondelelcaro
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2247 [21:57:22] <rant> dondelelcaro: ah.. well I'd been away for several years.. last I knew you were running that lab and berkeley
2248 [21:57:30] <rant> s/and/at/
2249 [21:57:42] <dondelelcaro> rant: ah; I was at UCR previously
2250 [21:58:01] <seekr> Anyway, my only reason to think about using LVM at this point is in order to be able to grow a file system to a second physical drive - but I don't want to take avoidable risks, if I know what they are beforehand.
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2254 [21:58:30] <dondelelcaro> seekr: ah; yeah, I'd avoid growing a filesystem across two drives if at all possible
2255 [21:58:40] <dondelelcaro> seekr: better to do at least three
2256 [21:58:49] <seekr> hmmm
2257 [21:58:52] <dondelelcaro> (and do raid5 or raid6)
2258 [22:00:16] <seekr> I'll think about RAID one of these days, but my needs are simpler now - willing to set up automated backups for things I fear losing.
2259 [22:01:18] <seekr> I know RAID has other advantages also, but they're not important to me at present.
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2262 [22:02:53] <SwedeMike> I run raid6 for "everything" important, it's good uptime tool. But not substitute for backups, as I have had several close calls where things happened that came close to data loss
2263 [22:04:33] <seekr> SwedeMike: yeah - I heard a horror story from a buddy who ran a Linux cluster at a major university - lost stuff after a RAID failure - but was able to recover from backups
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2280 [22:15:47] <digdilem> there's probably more horror stories about data loss from non-raid systems than raided ones
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2283 [22:19:34] <seekr> sounds right to me - I wasn't meaning to imply that the problem was due to his using RAID - was saying only that RAID didn't ensure that he didn't lose anything
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2294 [22:27:51] <ws2k3> does linux not use /proc/net/ip_vs anymore?
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2305 [22:36:10] <jhutchins> THere is a tiny overhead added by LVM, but it's only noticible on extremely high throughput systems.
2306 [22:36:39] <jhutchins> seekr: Yeah, RAID != backups.
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2308 [22:36:51] <ws2k3> y
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2311 [22:37:31] <jhutchins> I've seen more than one controller fail after the manufacturer didn't make anything compatible any more.
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2314 [22:38:21] <jhutchins> You also have to make sure there's working notification if an element fails. I've seen cases where the user didn't even know until a second drive failed, loosing the array.
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2316 [22:38:43] <jhutchins> ws2k3: What is your actual question?
2317 [22:40:07] <ws2k3> jhutchins the y was just a type(wrong window) i have a very ancient application that im trying to get running, it read /proc/net/ip_vs else it just fails so im trying to get that file there
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2321 [22:42:22] <jhutchins> ws2k3: What is the file supposed to be? A proc file should be something generated by a process.
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2324 [22:43:04] <jhutchins> ws2k3: If ip_vs isn't there, the process that generates it didn't run/isn't running.
2325 [22:43:32] <ws2k3> jhutchins normaly the ipvs status is there with some information so im trying to get some random ipvs information there i already installed keepalived to try to get some info there
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2327 [22:43:56] <jhutchins> You're doing some kind of container thing, aren't you.
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2329 [22:44:45] <ws2k3> jhutchins no... and i have no idea what you mean just a plain debian machine no containers
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2336 [22:50:49] <jhutchins> I find /lib/modules/4.9.0-8-amd64/kernel/net/netfilter/ipvs/ip_vs.ko on my system, so I would guess ip_vs only loads when certain netfilter commands are enabled.
2337 [22:51:48] <jhutchins> ws2k3: You could just modprobe it and see if that does the trick.
2338 [22:52:07] <tgunr> I was trying to install a package with dpkg -i and got a notice about failed to obtain lock. Looking at processes I see `/usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 25 --configure --pending' replaced-url
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2341 [22:52:47] <tgunr> Looks like it is hung and I don;t know for how long it has been hanging. Whatis a safe way to kill this and try again?
2342 [22:53:19] <ws2k3> jhutchins thanks the modprobe command got the ip_vs file so now it kinad works
2343 [22:53:24] <jhutchins> ws2k3: io_vs does seem linked to kernel support of virtual servers - hence "vs".
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2345 [22:54:00] <tgunr> Since it was mucking with initram I am afraid to restart the box
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2348 [22:54:51] <jhutchins> ws2k3: From the project page: "IP Virtual Server support will let you build a high-performance virtual server based on cluster of two or more real servers."
2349 [22:55:17] <jhutchins> ws2k3: I suspect you may need to take a step back and ask some questions at a higher level.
2350 [22:55:48] <mihi> tgunr, I doubt there is a safe way to kill update-initramfs. I'd probably kill #1640 and then manually re-run "update-initramfs -u" to make sure I have a working initramfs.
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2352 [22:56:20] <tgunr> well crap, is there any way to know when this process started?
2353 [22:57:15] <tgunr> I would rollback to before if I knew when it started
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2357 [22:59:35] <Stx> tgunr: ps -ef should say
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2360 [23:01:25] <tgunr> looking
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2363 [23:02:12] <mihi> tgunr, I'd try "ps -q 1640 -eo pid,lstart"
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2365 [23:03:40] <jhutchins> !xy problem
2366 [23:03:40] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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2377 [23:11:27] <Stx> mihi: unsupportive on my system.
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2379 [23:11:46] <Stx> -p does the trick though
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2383 [23:14:52] <mihi> Stx you are right. I thought of "ps -q 1640 -o pid,lstart" which works on my Debian box...
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2385 [23:16:46] <Stx> mihi: cool, out of curiosity, what version of ps is that?
2386 [23:17:05] <tgunr> Well i think I have finished with `update-initramfs -u' but there is no way to check without reboot?
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2388 [23:18:22] <mihi> Stx, "ps from procps-ng 3.3.12"
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2390 [23:20:12] <Stx> mihi: ah, Im running 3.3.9
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2392 [23:21:32] <ZenWalker> hi all, someone knows if there is any irc bot to annouce new bugs in some packages?
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2394 [23:22:03] <tgunr> spoke too soon, update-initramfs is stuck in wait
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2398 [23:24:01] <OerHeks> ZenWalker, nice idea, put all bugs in a dedicated channel, like ##news .. but it might give a flood
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2402 [23:25:49] <Marz> when i install debian testing it says buster in the sources. shouldn't it say testing?
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2405 [23:29:11] <mihi> Marz, I don't know what the debian installer writes by default, but I prefer the codename, as it won't upgrade me to next testing once buster is released.
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2408 [23:30:42] <Marz> so testing is pretty much testing the new release and is at this point frozen?
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2410 [23:31:06] <Marz> so no more new updates from sid
2411 [23:32:25] <mihi> Marz, only manually picked updates: replaced-url
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2416 [23:36:07] <Marz> i see
2417 [23:36:32] <Marz> so if i change the source from buster to testing there will be no updates
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2419 [23:37:22] <tgunr> so initramfs is in /boot, should I be safe to zfs clone back to last known good snapshot and copy its /boot over?
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2422 [23:40:58] <mihi> Marz, "buster" and "testing" will behave the same way, until Buster is released. You will only receive those updates hand-picked for the Buster release (because they fix RC bugs)
2423 [23:41:54] <mihi> after the release of buster, "testing" will behave the same way as "bullseye"
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2428 [23:43:20] <Deihmos> i saw something on reddit about some gnome updates that wouldn't make it to buster
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