• 0[00:00:13] <agio> jhutchins_wk: hah, I just read the part about " having unprotected sex only for a short amount of time" lol
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• 10[00:04:38] <agio> jhutchins_wk: just finished readin. wow, this ProxyCommand could be a game changer.
• 11[00:05:02] <agio> so essentially I would just dispatch all commands from my workstation
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• 13[00:05:15] <jmcnaught> agio: actually you can probably just use ProxyJump now, that article is a little old
• 14[00:05:34] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
• 15[00:05:38] <agio> no need to expose an agent socket on a remote for extended periods of time
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• 17[00:06:33] <agio> well I understand ProxyCommand now... thats a start
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• 19[00:07:15] <vvor> agio: Make sure not to lose workstation ;-)
• 20[00:07:18] <agio> basically you are saying "whenever I connect to this host, first connect to this ProxyCommand host
• 21[00:07:49] <vvor> agio: KISS...
• 22[00:08:03] <agio> and then run whatever ssh command - from the hostA
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• 27[00:09:12] <jmcnaught> agio: I would try ProxyJump first then fall back to ProxyCommand if it doesn't work. You can even do it at runtime: ssh -J user@jump.example.com user@target.example.com
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• 30[00:09:43] <agio> what are the benefits of ProxyJump over ProxyCommand?
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• 32[00:09:51] <jmcnaught> it's simpler
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• 34[00:10:43] <agio> also, one issue I can see with ProxyCommand, is that I would have to edit ~/.ssh/config - everytime I need to run a command on "hostA".
• 35[00:11:16] <agio> does ProxyJump allow for specifying routes on a - per command - basis?
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• 38[00:12:35] <agio> ah, thats what you meant by "at runtime"...
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• 68[00:28:18] <agio> would it be possible to use ProxyCommand or ProxyJump to do git operations on a remote server?
• 69[00:29:03] <agio> i.e. to do a git pull, you usually cd your shell into the directory the repo, then call `git pull'
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• 71[00:30:34] <agio> so you would have to rewrite the command to something like: ssh -J user@jump.example.com `git pull'
• 72[00:31:06] <Sleaker> sounds like something you should be doing in scripts that you invoke on the remote host. or a tool like ansible.
• 73[00:31:09] <agio> or `ssh -J user@jump.example.com `cd <path/to/repo/> ; git pull'
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• 75[00:32:22] <agio> the problem is passing the authentication onto the remote git/ssh process - ansible can't do that (it delegates out to ssh - just like git does)
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• 77[00:32:52] <Sleaker> why aren't you using key based handshakes?
• 78[00:32:56] <jmcnaught> agio: if you're connecting directly to the target host then you don't need a jumphost. To run a command it is simply "ssh user@hostname command"
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• 80[00:33:25] <agio> im not connecting directly to the target
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• 82[00:34:02] <agio> im ssh'ing into a server, then from on that server - issuing git push/fetch/pull operations
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• 86[00:34:24] <agio> from within a git repo on that server - to github
• 87[00:34:36] <agio> if that makes sense
• 88[00:34:44] <Sleaker> 'target' here is the server in your example
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• 90[00:34:55] <Sleaker> you ssh sometargetwithgitfolders
• 91[00:35:04] <agio> target is github, server is jumphost
• 92[00:35:17] <Sleaker> where is the local git data?
• 93[00:35:32] <Sleaker> sounds like you're complicating the steps
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• 96[00:35:44] <Sleaker> if the server has the git data, it's the target, not github.
• 97[00:36:04] <agio> the git data is on the server - and on github. github is the central repo
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• 99[00:36:29] <agio> so the server needs to communicate+authenticate to github
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• 102[00:37:00] <Sleaker> agio: that's setup automatically based on your keys. you can validate that by logging into the user and issuing git commands directly from the server
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• 104[00:37:11] <Sleaker> if they work without needing interactive auth then you have it setup properly.
• 105[00:37:14] <Sleaker> if not, then set it up properly.
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• 107[00:37:32] <Sleaker> you don't need -J in your examples.
• 108[00:37:49] <agio> right
• 109[00:38:02] <Sleaker> and as jmcnaught said, you are connecting directly to the target host (the server is the target host you're trying to run commands on)
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• 112[00:38:54] <Sleaker> I don't see how that's relevant to wanting to run git push/pull on the server.
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• 115[00:39:10] <Sleaker> slightly disconnected message.
• 116[00:39:16] <agio> the purpose of -J or ProxyCommand is to avoid doing authenticcation on the server
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• 118[00:39:55] <Getattrovskaya> hello everyone! the virt-manager first worked well after installation, but now it gives this error when I want to run it: replaced-url
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• 120[00:40:07] <Getattrovskaya> last time the VM booted I changed the screen resolution..can it be related to the emergence of this problem?
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• 122[00:40:37] <Sleaker> the purpose of -J is to jump between multiple ssh servers. such as if you were trying to issue ssh commands from your local machine to some remote server, but wanted them to pass through an intermediary
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• 124[00:40:42] <agio> Sleaker: so what Im trying to do is essentially the setup you just described - but without performing authentication steps (interactive or agent-forwarding) on the server
• 125[00:40:50] <black_13> how do you build all the source packages of a set of things say build all the gstreamer packages from source with debug information
• 126[00:41:42] <agio> Sleaker: right - so - what Im wondering - is if its possible to "repurpose" -J to run a git command from on a server
• 127[00:41:43] <Sleaker> agio: the process flow you described (issuing git commands from some host to github) doesn't facilitate usage of a Proxy intermediary like you think it does.
• 128[00:42:00] <Sleaker> agio: negative, that's not how git works.
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• 132[00:43:20] <agio> ah, so you mean - if I issue a git command using -J - the push/pull would apply locally to my workstation?
• 133[00:43:36] <Sleaker> agio: I think you misunderstanding what git does.
• 134[00:43:54] <Sleaker> git pushes/pulls data from wherever the command is done.
• 135[00:44:11] <agio> connects over ssh to a remote repo - sends and/or retrieves data
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• 137[00:44:23] <Sleaker> yes the data is sent over ssh, the *command* is not.
• 138[00:45:28] <Sleaker> think of it more like scp.
• 139[00:45:35] <Sleaker> or rsync
• 140[00:47:34] <Sleaker> git supports multiple transfer protocols, ssh just happens to be one of the more widely used ones.
• 141[00:47:43] <agio> hmm, you could be right,
• 142[00:47:49] <vvor> agio: I urge you to read the link I posted for you before. And this one: replaced-url
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• 145[00:48:35] <vvor> You could have been done with it a long time ago.
• 146[00:48:48] <Sleaker> yah, not sure why you're digging into ssh -J stuff.
• 147[00:48:55] <Sleaker> wrong rabit hole?
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• 151[00:52:31] <agio> vvor: that gist is talking about a bare repo on the server right? as in you want to setup a kind of DIY git-host?
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• 153[00:52:41] <agio> on the server
• 154[00:53:09] <jmcnaught> agio: when I suggested ProxyJump I didn't realize you were trying to use git on a remote server, I was just showing an alternative to ssh agent forwarding
• 155[00:53:16] <Sleaker> agio: yes.
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• 157[00:54:02] <Getattrovskaya> I dont know what's wrong with the VM. it always worked well till now
• 158[00:54:02] <agio> yes, Im talking about a full git repo on the server
• 159[00:54:10] <Sleaker> agio: it's setting up a post-recieve hook in a local git install so that when you git push to your own server it publishes the repo to a http directory
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• 161[00:54:52] <Sleaker> 'full git repo'
• 162[00:55:04] <agio> jmcnaught: so are you saying it's not possible to use ProxyCommand, -J to issue git commands on a remote server - with the credentials from your workstation?
• 163[00:55:06] <Sleaker> self-hosting git is the same thing as just providing ssh access honestly.
• 164[00:55:34] <Sleaker> agio: it's just the wrong way to think about what you're trying to do
• 165[00:55:45] <Sleaker> ProxyCommand jumphosts aren't what you're looking for.
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• 168[00:55:59] <vvor> agio: The idea here is use a restricted ssh user with a key-base authentication without a passphrase.
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• 170[00:56:22] <Sleaker> you don't issue git commands on a remote server, you issue git commands on your local system and git handles connecting and pushing the data to the server.
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• 172[00:57:36] <Sleaker> if you have some remote server and you want to have your local git push command push to it and also push to github, that's just some additional git setup stuff.
• 173[00:58:56] <agio> vvor: yes, thats a valid way to do it - if its possible to load those keys on a per-repo basis.
• 174[00:59:09] <Sleaker> agio: keys are per user not repo
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• 176[00:59:53] <agio> what?
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• 178[01:00:01] <Sleaker> ssh keys are setup on a per-user basis.
• 179[01:00:08] <Sleaker> they aren't inherently tied to any sort of repository.
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• 182[01:01:19] <Sleaker> the git docs have information on how to setup a server: replaced-url
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• 186[01:03:23] <Sleaker> agio: that's one of the issues with trying to setup a 'git' repository on a self-managed server. user security access becomes a bit of a pain as anyone with a key auth for that user can get access.
• 187[01:03:49] <agio> im not trying to setup a server
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• 189[01:04:08] <agio> as vvor said that would be re-inventing the whell
• 190[01:04:09] <Sleaker> agio: cool, what *are* you exactly trying to do.
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• 192[01:04:17] <Sleaker> it's not re-inventing the wheel to self-host.
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• 194[01:04:26] <Sleaker> maybe you don't want everything to be on a local system and github.
• 195[01:04:32] <Sleaker> maybe you want a 3rd place of storage?
• 196[01:04:38] <agio> no
• 197[01:04:43] <Sleaker> anyway, what's the actual thing you're trying to do.
• 198[01:05:09] <agio> ssh login to a server
• 199[01:05:30] <Getattrovskaya> solved
• 200[01:05:34] <Sleaker> well that's just ssh user@server
• 201[01:05:38] <Sleaker> so cool, done.
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• 203[01:05:53] <agio> \o/ hah, then git clone a repo from a git-host from on that server
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• 205[01:06:14] <Sleaker> that sentence doesn't make sense.
• 206[01:06:40] <Sleaker> what are you trying to do once you're connected to the server.
• 207[01:06:45] <agio> this:
• 208[01:06:54] <vvor> agio: ssh user@server git clone host
• 209[01:06:58] <Sleaker> git clone git@github.com/RemoteUser/RepoName
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• 211[01:07:28] <agio> ssh rick@server 'git clone ssh://github.com/rick/some_app
• 212[01:07:45] <vvor> '
• 213[01:07:46] <Sleaker> agio: sure, what vvor gave you will work.
• 214[01:08:05] <agio> correct
• 215[01:08:29] <vvor> So... done! Next!
• 216[01:08:34] <agio> its just I wanted to do - what vvor - described, without any authentication taking place on the server
• 217[01:08:41] <Sleaker> agio: that's not possible.
• 218[01:08:52] <Sleaker> agio: you have to have authentication no matter what.
• 219[01:09:21] <agio> what they described was a limited account with restricted priv's and keys dedicated to a git repo
• 220[01:09:48] <agio> which restricts the authentication right down to a minimal level
• 221[01:10:03] <Sleaker> agio: you're not issuing the git command from your local system, what makes you think that system that's actually running the git commands doesn't need the key/password to access the remote git repo?
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• 223[01:10:47] <agio> I didn't say with no auth, I said "without any authentication taking place on the server"
• 224[01:10:49] <Sleaker> agio: there is no way to bypass that the actual system issuing the git command over ssh will need to actual key, or password to access the repository it's trying to clone or push to.
• 225[01:11:47] <vvor> All the key stuff *for the git server* is on the server you are sshing to.
• 226[01:12:20] <agio> yes, I understood that
• 227[01:13:06] <Sleaker> there's no way to only have a local copy of the authentication keys, and never transmit them over to the server that's running the git operations against your github repo.
• 228[01:13:38] <Sleaker> the server that you issue the git commands on *has* to have the auth keys for your git repo if you want it to be able to access it.
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• 230[01:13:57] <agio> unless you forward your ssh-agent
• 231[01:14:10] <agio> to the server ,then the keys stay on your local system
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• 234[01:15:31] <vvor> agio: You ssh to the server with a password or better a key-based authentication. The server you got onto connects ssh-ing to the git-server with key-based without passphrase on the key.
• 235[01:15:38] <Sleaker> agio: sure, if you want to dig into agent forwarding you can try doing that. but it requires specific server setup.
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• 238[01:17:15] <Sleaker> anyhow time to head out for me. have a nice night and gl.
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• 240[01:17:34] <agio> vvor: and the keys which live on the password-less keys on the server are a seperate key pair right?
• 241[01:17:39] <vvor> Night!
• 242[01:17:55] <vvor> agio: yes
• 243[01:18:01] <agio> Sleaker: have a good night :)
• 244[01:18:21] <agio> yes, thats a good way to do it too
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• 246[01:21:51] <vvor> agio: Just forget about your local setup. You are working on the server and setting-up a key-base without passphrase for a git-server you are working on. That done you remotely work on that server however you want.
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• 323[02:56:59] <plantroon> after 10+ hours I managed to get into my locked-root Debian system by specifying init=/bin/sh :D (the server takes a really long time to boot for some reason)
• 324[02:58:16] <ksk> plantroon: if you do not reboot it often, might be a "this devices has not been checked in X days" fsck has kicked in.
• 325[02:58:46] <plantroon> oh no, the firmware takes forever to boot up, too much stuff in the poor thing
• 326[02:59:12] <plantroon> and I rebooted it like 5 times, because of faulty kvm and it took forever
• 327[02:59:49] <plantroon> and I missed a few boots because of doing other things inbetween :D :D
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• 348[03:13:07] <zoomm10> Hello, as a junior system administrator I have to memorize all commands?
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• 351[03:14:09] <abrotman> what else are you spendoing your time doing?
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• 361[03:28:28] <blackmajic> how do i create a favorite place menu in MATE?
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• 396[04:01:43] <jetscreamer> what/where is the conffile that controls "suspend/resume device" . had 2 swaps (a buster & a stretch install) deleted the buster but it still wants that swap on_boot
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• 417[04:15:03] <mr_machina> No, you don't have to memorize everything. That's what man pages are for.
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• 420[04:15:44] * dvs shushes mr_machina
• 421[04:16:00] <dvs> don't tell him that...
• 422[04:16:12] <dvs> ;-)
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• 440[04:22:30] <mr_machina> dvs, don't haze the new guys. I hated being hazed.
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• 465[04:26:25] <jetscreamer> !comfort mr_machina
• 466[04:26:26] <dpkg> There, there, mr_machina. It's OK. I'm here for you.
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• 477[04:31:47] <mr_machina> I appreciate the support. Or sarcasm... ( ´ ▽ ` )ﾉ
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• 490[04:43:53] <zegil> I cannot seem to get FontAwesome fonts working. what do
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• 493[04:46:25] <agio> download fontawesome.ttf font to ~/.fonts, reload font cache
• 494[04:47:05] <agio> fc-cache -f -v
• 495[04:47:32] <agio> to reload the X servers font cache, that should be all that is required
• 496[04:47:59] <zegil> I'm pretty sure I did that, except I don't think I ran that exact command with fc-cache. I'll try again...
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• 500[04:49:30] <zegil> FontAwesome only comes with .otfs, should be fine?
• 501[04:49:38] <zegil> agio ^
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• 503[04:50:12] <agio> I would try for a *.ttf
• 504[04:50:24] <agio> first
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• 508[04:51:47] <zegil> Well I just downloaded the offical .zip from their site and it was just *.otf's
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• 520[04:56:06] <agio> zegil: thats a good question, im trying to find a download now...
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• 522[04:56:43] <zegil> I think it's working though... My main problem was not all the fonts were working
• 523[04:57:01] <zegil> go to: fontawesome.com
• 524[04:58:36] <zegil> agio, yup not all fonts are working...
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• 526[04:59:16] <zegil> So just some context: I'm trying to get it to work specifically with i3status
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• 529[04:59:29] <agio> I tried fontawesome.com
• 530[04:59:48] <zegil> Did it work for you?
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• 532[05:01:59] <agio> no, sorry, I've got to go too. If you do manage to find out how to get it working, please post the answer in here
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• 536[05:03:35] <zegil> agio, sure. cya
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• 540[05:06:26] <soyeomul^bionic> it's very tiny question. there is no reportbug's rc file. my distro version is ubuntu 18.04. how can i make reportbugrc file? is there a sample?
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• 543[05:10:31] <zegil> I have no idea how to do bug reports, sorry man :(
• 544[05:10:48] <zegil> I do want to make some bug reports though, so maybe I'll find out sometime
• 545[05:10:54] <zegil> Also go over to #ubuntu on the IRC
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• 547[05:11:19] <zegil> Ubuntu is not Debian, but they're closely related of course
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• 555[05:19:06] <soyeomul^bionic> other question: i wrote ~/.reportbugrc as follow:
• 556[05:19:15] <soyeomul^bionic> mta /usr/sbin/ssmtp -C /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp-eu-west-1.conf
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• 558[05:19:22] <soyeomul^bionic> am i wrong?
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• 566[05:23:12] <soyeomul^bionic> because i have multiple ssmtp.conf
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• 573[05:27:54] <jmcnaught> soyeomul^bionic: if you're using Ubuntu why are you trying to file a bug in Debian?
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• 575[05:28:54] <soyeomul^bionic> i think ubuntu is debian
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• 577[05:31:37] <phazon> we cant offer support for forks or derivatives; try in #ubuntu
• 578[05:33:14] <soyeomul^bionic> ok i will install debian and try again question, thanks!!!
• 579[05:33:22] <soyeomul^bionic> see you~
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• 637[06:20:28] <agio> zegil: are you still around ? i found the fontawesome.ttf download
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• 640[06:21:43] <zegil> agio, yeah I just got back lol
• 641[06:21:58] <zegil> agio, is it 3rd party?
• 642[06:22:09] <agio> replaced-url
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• 644[06:23:43] <zegil> agio, just the desktop one?
• 645[06:24:07] <agio> lemme, check - I don't think so
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• 647[06:25:08] <zegil> agio: okay I found .ttf fonts in the "web" version
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• 651[06:25:56] <agio> cool, hm, I loaded the font into X, but Im not getting the glyph's
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• 654[06:26:19] <zegil> agio: weird
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• 656[06:26:41] <zegil> agio, it worked fine for me on Arch. Not sure what's going on w/ Deb
• 657[06:28:05] <agio> did you just copy paste a char into a terminal?
• 658[06:28:13] <agio> which file did you install?
• 659[06:28:19] <zegil> On Arch?
• 660[06:28:33] <agio> no, from the "webfont
• 661[06:28:42] <agio> archive
• 662[06:28:47] <zegil> Oh I haven't tried that since you said didn't work for you
• 663[06:28:59] <zegil> I would just put it in .fonts
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• 666[06:29:41] <agio> so, which archive did you download? and which file (from that archive) did you put in ~/.fonts?
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• 671[06:31:51] <zegil> The desktop one
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• 674[06:33:58] <agio> the desktop archive you you mean?
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• 677[06:34:37] <zegil> Yep
• 678[06:34:52] <zegil> Well, whatever was on the site. Which is I'm pretty sure the same thing
• 679[06:35:35] <agio> then did you have to reload X or anything?
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• 681[06:36:17] <zegil> no, I just ran the command you told me to run to reset font cache I think it was
• 682[06:36:28] <zegil> hold up I'll be right back
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• 684[06:36:38] <agio> cool , thanks
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• 725[07:16:12] <zegil> agio, should I reset X and try again? I'll just run 'sudo killall Xorg'
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• 731[07:17:26] <agio> is it not working for you now? I can't get it working at all
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• 802[08:01:20] <zegil> agio, nah I haven't tried again. Hold on i'll reset X let me try. I find only like 5% of text actually works
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• 815[08:07:21] <zegil> agio, yup same thing - only some of the fonts work. Why only some but not all?
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• 859[08:38:25] <newbsduser> hello, how can I fix this error: DiffieHellman keys: java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: Prime size must be multiple of 64, and can only range from 256 to 2048 (inclusive) by modifying sshd.config file of remote server?
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• 862[08:40:02] <lowin> Hello. how can I add a custom route to my interface using /etc/network/interfaces?
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• 870[08:44:17] <SpeedyG> I've never done it before, but the first google result gives me "up route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 gw 192.168.1.1" for the desired interface
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• 996[09:48:56] <maxrazer> Is anyone else using chromium and there is no place to login to the google account? I just have a "you" section.
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• 999[09:51:00] <_Craig_> I can't seem to find why replaced-url
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• 1001[09:52:26] <at0m> _Craig_: has it been fixed upstream in chromium?
• 1002[09:52:41] <shtrb> at0m, kind of
• 1003[09:52:52] <at0m> lol "CVE kind of fixed"
• 1004[09:53:12] <shtrb> by Google in Chrome project, have no idea if it was propgated to the project itself
• 1005[09:53:21] <at0m> right
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• 1007[09:53:40] <shtrb> That also might be affecting all snap packages that uses chromium (like skype for example)
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• 1068[10:28:07] <krion> hi fellas
• 1069[10:28:26] <krion> can someone confirm that the pgbouncer package doesn't deploy a logrotate configuration file ?
• 1070[10:28:50] <krion> I did ar x the .deb and grep -Ri logrotate return empty
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• 1076[10:31:12] <penna> So. Whats wrong here in pinning? I want the 2.4 version from jessie-backports
• 1077[10:31:16] <penna> replaced-url
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• 1079[10:32:40] <penna> Okay. Nothing. I had to install it. It didn't show the 999 before. But i had the pin in another file. Maybe that is the reason. Thanks :)
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• 1084[10:44:19] <krion> anyway, default path is same as psql so cath by the psql logrotate conf
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• 1100[10:54:27] <rafalcpp> how to find files that contain "foo123", and they are text files and not bigger than 10 KB (e.g. dont want to grep all my large binary files)
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• 1111[11:00:10] <penna> @rafalcpp maybe something like: "find /mydir -type f -size -11k |grep -E 'foo'"
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• 1115[11:01:35] <n4dir> using find and then grep the results would be my first thought too.
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• 1117[11:02:21] <rafalcpp> oh also grep has -I option
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• 1129[11:08:08] <monra> Hi, how do i get disk info like available free space, total space ecc.. without fancy commands that may not be available on a big set of debian machines?
• 1130[11:08:30] <colo-work> df, lsblk
• 1131[11:08:36] <colo-work> both should be available everywhere
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• 1142[11:14:14] <rookie> plannin on installing debian today...to my understanding i should install stable and then change repo's to sid?
• 1143[11:17:20] <krion> why would you want to change the repo's ?
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• 1145[11:17:57] <rookie> repo's i mean amend sourcelist to sid
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• 1148[11:18:34] <monra> Ok df is good but isn't it possible to read that data directly (for example) from the /proc?
• 1149[11:18:52] <kirk781> Probably trying to get access to new softwares. Debian Stable can have old versions of software
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• 1155[11:21:39] <no_gravity> Hello! With ALT+. I can get back the second (?) parameter of the last command. How can I get back the first?
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• 1157[11:22:06] <rookie> kirk781: yeah its for a laptop so stable is a bit too outdated for my needs...when reading up on debian it suggest sid gets security updates quicker than testing...hence why i am thinking on going straight to sid
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• 1159[11:22:30] <tomodachi> rookie: if you want security & stability stay with stable
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• 1163[11:23:34] <no_gravity> Got it! ALT+CTRL+y
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• 1169[11:24:49] <rookie> tomodachi: looking more for a balance....so if it takes time for security to trickle through to testing i just thought go straight to sid
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• 1175[11:26:44] <tomodachi> rookie: you want your patches to be properly tested running an unstable development tack of a distro is not running a secure distro
• 1176[11:27:18] <tomodachi> no company with securiy as a priority would run unstable to "get patches faster"
• 1177[11:27:21] <n4dir> rookie: also bug fixes might enter sid quick, and might take really long to get into testing. Mind you: i said might, that is the theory
• 1178[11:27:49] <n4dir> in other words: i for one would prefer sid over testing, but some prefer a mixed sid-testing system (i am simply too lazy for such)
• 1179[11:28:15] <n4dir> stable (with backports) is the most sane choice, of course.
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• 1181[11:28:24] <rookie> yeah i dont want to end up with a frankenstein debian as a noob
• 1182[11:28:43] <tomodachi> to be secury you want to be running what most other people are running
• 1183[11:28:56] <tomodachi> since that's where most eyes are looking at
• 1184[11:29:25] <rookie> tomodachi: i get that....at the same time i would prefer more up to date packages...
• 1185[11:29:47] <tomodachi> I think what you are asking for is called ubuntu
• 1186[11:29:54] <n4dir> right now, being in the freeze, it is all a bit different anyway (for sure as far testing is concerned)
• 1187[11:29:56] <rookie> unless there is another way to have more recent packages in a secure environment like stable
• 1188[11:30:09] <n4dir> rookie: backports doesn't suffice?
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• 1190[11:30:52] <rookie> n4dir: ohhhh didnt think of that....:D
• 1191[11:31:24] <oiaohm> tomodachi: I would not say most eyes is Ubuntu. Automated tested is a important part of the process debian does run that a lot better than Ubuntu.
• 1192[11:31:37] <rookie> will have to double check the pkg's i wish to have have been backported
• 1193[11:31:44] <n4dir> try that. though the actual debian stable is really "old" now, if it was me i switch to stable as soon the next stable is out. What to use for now? no clue
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• 1195[11:32:13] <rookie> could just change to buster no?
• 1196[11:32:42] <rookie> eta of buster is in April?
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• 1199[11:32:55] <n4dir> you could give it a try.
• 1200[11:33:14] <n4dir> it all depends, of course. (you do need a sure working environment, etc)
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• 1203[11:34:14] <rookie> well my laptop does not participate in nasa programs so if Buster is due sometime in april its just round the corner
• 1204[11:34:31] <n4dir> just to stress it: don't get me wrong. stable is really the best bet, a save "advice", etc. I don't disagree with others, i just add some further info ("depends")
• 1205[11:34:55] <tomodachi> rookie: if its your laptop , and not some server, ofc u can run testing or unstable
• 1206[11:35:03] <tomodachi> i was thinking'a bout a public internet facing server
• 1207[11:35:42] <rookie> heheh...yeah just for laptop...hence why i thought the best balance would be sid as it get the security fixes quicker...
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• 1209[11:36:00] <n4dir> make sure to install "apt-listbugs" if not running stable.
• 1210[11:36:02] <rookie> server ....agree 1000000% with you
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• 1213[11:37:12] <n4dir> also make sure to join #debian-next on the oftc irc server. such stuff. in general: be a bit more "focused" while doing apt stuff
• 1214[11:38:01] <rookie> cool....will do....just moving my data as we speak....(was playing with BSD's for about a year)
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• 1216[11:38:21] <n4dir> good luck then, have fun, etc :-)
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• 1218[11:38:28] <rookie> o/
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• 1226[11:46:46] <hetOrakel> Hi, i have a kernel panic on "4.9.144-3.1 (2019-02-19)" and i believe it is no problem in "4.9.130-2 (2018-10-27)". Is there a way to install this specific version, because when i search for "linux-image" i don't get this sub-version detail....
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• 1275[12:13:55] <Greyztar> is there any way to randomize mac upon startup other than macchanger package which i dont seem to get to work?
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• 1285[12:16:33] <xand> Greyztar: the ip link command can change mac address, assuming there's any point in it.
• 1286[12:18:08] <Greyztar> xand: im looking for a way to do it just like the macchanger packet,if it only worked that would solve ill see if i can automate it with ip command then thanks
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• 1351[12:44:51] <hetOrakel> tomodachi: no :-(
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• 1355[12:46:49] <erle-> I installed Debian and there is neither modprobe nor fstrim, and I cannot figure out which packages are missing
• 1356[12:47:04] <erle-> I installed the whole Desktop and set sources to unstable
• 1357[12:47:21] <xand> erle-: are you root?
• 1358[12:47:38] <xand> those commands are likely not in a normal user's $PATH
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• 1360[12:47:46] <erle-> xand,
• 1361[12:47:47] <erle-> yes
• 1362[12:48:39] <erle-> (I am using Linux for 18 years and Ubuntu for 12 years, I know the basics. Never used plain Debian though)
• 1363[12:50:17] <erle-> hm, sbin is missing entirely in root's PATH
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• 1367[12:51:27] <erle-> (I logged in with normal user, launched gnome terminal and then got root using su)
• 1368[12:51:39] <xand> "su -" instead of "su"
• 1369[12:52:10] <erle-> both binaries are there
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• 1372[12:52:54] <erle-> that makes the difference, thanks, xand
• 1373[12:53:08] <erle-> I am surprised that this is different with Ubuntu and Debian
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• 1375[12:53:37] <erle-> in Ubuntu, the user seems to have /sbin in $PATH
• 1376[12:53:42] <erle-> probably because of the sudo concept
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• 1378[12:54:40] <xand> ask ubuntu why they changed :p
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• 1380[12:55:25] <rookie> will really miss the simplicity of doas on *BSD...wish debian had it
• 1381[12:55:25] <Haohmaru> because fengshuibuntu
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• 1384[12:57:47] <erle-> one other issue is that apt gives this warning since I installed it: " key(s) in keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user _apt" on "apt update"
• 1385[12:58:09] <erle-> I think that was the case even before I installed any updates including unstable
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• 1389[12:59:22] <xand> erle-: what are the permissions of that file?
• 1390[12:59:38] <xand> should be world-readable
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• 1398[13:06:38] <erle-> xand, I know, but that is not the point. It should not be set to a silly value after install. People should not manually set permissions for such an important file.
• 1399[13:07:08] <xand> it's 0644 by default
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• 1403[13:08:24] <erle-> xand, here it is not, but there is also a trusted.gpg.d directory
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• 1405[13:08:29] <erle-> maybe that is a migration bug?
• 1406[13:08:41] <erle-> maybe it should not be used any more
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• 1408[13:09:20] <erle-> cat the file is basically empty here btw.
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• 1410[13:10:29] <erle-> so this is probably an unstable issue, take it as report, not as complaint :)
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• 1414[13:14:06] <erle-> after setting the permissions, it complains about unsupported filetype :)
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• 1444[13:36:40] <seekr> diogenes_: good afternoon - hope all is well - just working on prep to set up a new system I'm building - lots of fun! :)
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• 1447[13:37:43] <seekr> diogenes_: wish I knew more about various subjects, like LVM and LUKS and the now-deprecated AES-Cryptoloop
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• 1451[13:40:53] <seekr> diogenes_: so instead of installing the new mobo, etc. and doing copies of a f.s. created long ago using LUKS after booting from the new system, I'm having to do copies using the old, sometimes flaky, mobo/CPU (which hangs once in a while) - but I did manage to do a copy of a 2TB f.s. - which took a day and a half to complete
• 1452[13:41:20] <diogenes_> seekr, hello, looks like you never have time to get bored :) say Happy Women's Day to those you who )
• 1453[13:41:45] <seekr> oh - is it that day today!? thanks for letting me know
• 1454[13:42:33] <diogenes_> yes today in europe
• 1455[13:43:24] <seekr> ah - well, I'm not in close touch with the European gals I know - so will have to wish them a belated happy women's day when next I have a chance to communicate
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• 1458[13:47:54] <blackflow> it's International Women's Day, not just EU
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• 1467[13:55:09] <Haohmaru> it should be flower-sellers day
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• 1484[14:05:34] <Megaf> Hi all
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• 1520[14:31:28] <DonK_KijotE> Hi
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• 1546[14:47:47] <CrazyTux> how trouble-free is debian testing as compared to windows 10?
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• 1548[14:48:45] <ayekat> depends
• 1549[14:48:51] <Haohmaru> depends^2
• 1550[14:49:49] <CrazyTux> from a non technical end user's point of view.
• 1551[14:49:56] <avu> CrazyTux: testing is really just for testing. You won't get timely security upgrades for example
• 1552[14:50:00] <avu> !testing security
• 1553[14:50:01] <dpkg> Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See replaced-url
• 1554[14:50:03] <jelly> similar, maybe more mess
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• 1556[14:51:53] <Haohmaru> the choice of DE would make a significant difference IMO
• 1557[14:52:02] <CrazyTux> I wish Debian had a variant similar to Linux Mint.
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• 1561[14:53:11] <ayekat> CrazyTux: as in more frequent releases?
• 1562[14:53:58] <Someone_Else> what happened to iptables-compat in testing?
• 1563[14:55:01] <CrazyTux> more OOTB
• 1564[14:56:02] <ayekat> if you select a DE during installation, tasksel will set up a pretty OOTB environment (IMHO)
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• 1569[14:58:40] <CrazyTux> ok
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• 1571[14:59:33] <ayekat> I mean - you could also be a bit less vague, and we could give more helpful answers :-)
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• 1576[15:01:21] <greycat> Debian testing is NOT a "rolling release". If what you want is a rolling release that tracks Bigger Version Numbers Because Bigger Version Numbers Are Better, then Debian is not the operating system for you.
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• 1583[15:02:50] <CrazyTux> something like mx linux.
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• 1638[15:26:08] <shtrb> greycat, about my question yesterday I was correct that apt should show when redirect used , I was wrong about the mirror. it's httpredier which show where you are redirect to not deb.debian.org
• 1639[15:27:06] <greycat> For whatever it's worth, I have had extremely inconsistent results over the years about whether apt* shows the mirror as written in sources.list, or the IP address you got out of the round robin, or a hostname that was redirected to.
• 1640[15:27:18] <greycat> I don't rely on it printing ANYTHING useful during the downloading.
• 1641[15:27:25] <shtrb> deb replaced-url
• 1642[15:27:50] <greycat> Right, and the fact that there have been no less than THREE different content delivery schemes.
• 1643[15:28:08] <shtrb> ooh
• 1644[15:28:09] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 1646[15:28:48] <shtrb> but httpredir and deb are new and fancy options all the cool kids are using
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• 1651[15:32:35] <littlebit> hi people, I have a CHIP computer replaced-url
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• 1686[15:50:43] <pikaro> hi! I'm trying to install docker-ce on stretch as per their official guide, but the-get update keeps failing because it can't access the Release and Packages files. with curl or wget, I have no problem fetching those files under the exact URLs apt fails from the same machine to reach so this is probably an issue with my configuration. is there any way to see the requests that are going on in the background in detail? this is using
• 1687[15:50:43] <pikaro> apt-transport-https so maybe there's a certificate problem or something like that.
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• 1699[15:53:17] <pikaro> *the apt-get update, of course - no idea what happened there
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• 1710[16:00:15] <pikaro> huh and my sid desktop doesn't have any issue with the same .list file
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• 1717[16:05:26] <AlexNagy> any node.js experts? I'm having a bit of a trouble with it rn.
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• 1721[16:06:26] <nevivurn> Where can I find the "official" documentation on the format and use of stuff in the /proc filesystem? Is the only way to use it properly to read the kernel sources?
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• 1723[16:06:44] <greycat> "man 5 proc" has a lot
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• 1725[16:07:01] <AlexNagy> specifically I'm trying to run npm, but the shell says 'command not found' (as normal user or root via sudo). When I run it from within the nodejs shell it says I should run npm from my normal shell.
• 1726[16:07:12] <greycat> Ultimately though, it is an artificial construct created entirely by the kernel, so the kernel documentation (or source) is the authority.
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• 1732[16:07:47] <nevivurn> I found it a bit lacking. For example, the documentation for /proc/net/dev doesn't mention that we would need to worry about overflows in order to use those values properly, for example.
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• 1737[16:08:42] <nevivurn> I'm just worried about those kinds of small things that I may be missing if I decide to write stuff based just on proc(5) and what little I know.
• 1738[16:08:46] <greycat> As far as I know, everything about /proc (documentation or its lack) is under the control of the Linux devs, and Debian doesn't mess with it.
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• 1741[16:09:12] <nevivurn> Hrm. I guess this question is better suited for ##linux ?
• 1742[16:09:25] <greycat> that, or ##kernel
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• 1745[16:09:43] <nevivurn> Alright, thanks!
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• 1799[16:35:43] <ssarah> halloes
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• 1802[16:36:55] <ksk> ssarah: Hallo.
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• 1806[16:39:37] <Tenkawa> what kernel module/driver usually controls lcd brightness?
• 1807[16:39:45] <Tenkawa> I seem to not have it
• 1808[16:40:18] <Tenkawa> it seems to be just not there
• 1809[16:40:33] <Tenkawa> I can xgamma but isnt that software based?
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• 1811[16:43:43] <Tenkawa> I want it to be proper backlight control
• 1812[16:43:57] <Tenkawa> it shows up as the proper panel type in settings
• 1813[16:46:50] <Tenkawa> I'll bbialw
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• 1867[17:12:07] <SerajewelKS> how difficult would it be to get the third-party rtmp module for nginx in debian? i understand the complication is that nginx dynamic modules have to be built in-tree, so a totally separate source package is probably unlikely to be feasible.
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• 1869[17:12:31] <pikaro> I just found out that I'm not getting 404s but 400 URI failure when fetching files from that repo. strace is a bit of a mess to look at so I don't know if there's more important info in there. the only thing google points to is it being a locale issue, but they're all just set to en_US.UTF-8. what else could the error indicate?
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• 1875[17:15:10] <SerajewelKS> how could a separate binary package be built for this module without "infecting" the source module with the third party code?
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• 1878[17:19:16] <hanasaki> what is the procedure to get invited to debian-next?
• 1879[17:19:46] <greycat> Go to the correct network and you don't need to be.
• 1880[17:19:58] <greycat> !oftc
• 1881[17:19:58] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
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• 1883[17:20:33] <greycat> dpkg, oftc =~ s/may be/may (or may not) be/
• 1884[17:20:33] <dpkg> OK, greycat
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• 1960[18:03:43] <jim> hi... in which debian version was systemd introduced?
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• 1964[18:04:50] <n4dir> the actual stable
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• 1967[18:05:28] <greycat> wheezy has systemd as a "technology preview" but it was not really useful until jessie, where it became the default PID 1
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• 1970[18:05:46] <n4dir> greycat: you sure?
• 1971[18:05:50] <greycat> Yes.
• 1972[18:06:01] <greycat> ,v systemd
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• 1974[18:06:03] <judd> Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 232-25+deb9u8; stretch-proposed-updates: 232-25+deb9u9; stretch-security: 232-25+deb9u9; sid: 240-5; stretch-backports: 241-1~bpo9+1; buster: 241-1
• 1975[18:06:17] <n4dir> hmm. i sticked to jessie and it had sysv on quite a few system. but if you say it, you probably are right
• 1976[18:06:42] <greycat> The upgrade to jessie puts systemd in place unless you take specific steps to remain on sysvinit.
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• 1979[18:07:04] <n4dir> damnit. then i need to un-remember and remember something different. thanks
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• 1981[18:07:55] <jim> greycat, ok, thanks
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• 1986[18:08:52] <jim> so systemd was in as early as wheezy?
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• 1991[18:09:33] <greycat> In theory. I don't know anyone who actually tried to use it in wheezy.
• 1992[18:10:31] <n4dir> sure at debianuserforums, now dead, quite a few fooled back and forth when the initsystem question came up.
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• 1998[18:14:23] <somiaj> jim: yes, systemd was introduced in wheezy as a technology preview, but as greycat said, most likely few actually used it until jessie.
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• 2008[18:20:53] <jim> somiaj, ok, thanks... good to know
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• 2030[18:42:26] <emilsp> is there a way to nicely list all packages which provide ping? apt search ping is useless. I'm asking because I want to list a ping package that supports -I as a dependency of a package I'm developing.
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• 2035[18:44:50] <CrazyTux> has anyone here experienced recurrent freezing of Debian stable?
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• 2037[18:45:09] <CrazyTux> or crashing of Debain stable?
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• 2039[18:45:29] <emilsp> find an answer to my own question - the package I'm after is iputils-ping
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• 2052[18:55:12] <karlpinc> CrazyTux: If you have any specifics, share. Otherwise, check for harware issues. Run memtest86+ overnight. Look at dmesg and log output, etc.
• 2053[18:55:47] <CrazyTux> karlpinc, I have done all that.
• 2054[18:55:48] <karlpinc> !tell emilsp about search
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• 2056[18:56:16] <CrazyTux> karlpinc, have run memtest. There is no problem with the hardware.
• 2057[18:56:39] <emilsp> karlpinc:I struggle to see how that would help me :(
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• 2059[18:57:03] <karlpinc> CrazyTux: Old hardware, new hardware, under load, random? Provide information.
• 2060[18:57:30] <CrazyTux> karlpinc, the computer is a new one.
• 2061[18:57:32] <karlpinc> emilsp: You could, e.g., use apt-file to search for all packages containing a "ping" program in "bin".
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• 2063[18:58:08] <karlpinc> CrazyTux: Might try a newer kernel from backports. (Possibly)
• 2064[18:58:24] <CrazyTux> karlpinc, will that fix that issue?
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• 2066[18:58:53] <karlpinc> CrazyTux: Could. Dunno.
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• 2069[18:59:10] <CrazyTux> karlpinc, ok. I will try that.
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• 2097[19:17:13] <neilthereildeil> how can i cross-debug a windows application built with the cross compiler from debian?
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• 2099[19:17:33] <[sr]> howdy
• 2100[19:17:36] <neilthereildeil> i was told the debian version of gdb-multiarch doesnt wupport windows targets
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• 2102[19:17:45] <[sr]> whats the best way to debug a segfault in my apache2?
• 2103[19:18:00] <neilthereildeil> and im getting "Remote g packet reply too long" in gdb-multiarch
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• 2105[19:18:15] <jelly> [sr]: catch a core dump, install dbgsym packages, look at traces
• 2106[19:18:19] <jelly> !dbgsym
• 2107[19:18:19] <dpkg> Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb replaced-url
• 2108[19:18:25] <bouba> plz a need driver archer t2uh help.
• 2109[19:18:43] <jelly> dpkg, tell bouba -about ask
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• 2111[19:19:13] <jelly> bouba: what is an "archer t2uh"?
• 2112[19:19:37] <[sr]> jelly: gonna git it a try
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• 2114[19:20:07] <bouba> jelly archer t2uh is an interface wi-fi.
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• 2116[19:21:15] <jelly> bouba: how do you connect it to a computer? usb? mini-pcie? pci express?
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• 2118[19:21:16] <greycat> bouba: does it show up in "lspci -nn"?
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• 2120[19:21:31] <greycat> Or is it a USB NIC?
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• 2124[19:22:16] <jim> jelly, where would you put the source in order to run the executable through a debugger?
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• 2127[19:22:40] <jim> I want to do that with hexchat
• 2128[19:22:42] <jelly> jim: I'd read dbgsym docs.
• 2129[19:22:56] <jim> where can I find those?
• 2130[19:23:07] <jelly> see a bove.
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• 2133[19:23:31] <jelly> (I don't know any better details, never actually tried those)
• 2134[19:23:50] <jim> there's a separate section for binary executables with debsyms?
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• 2137[19:24:11] <paule32> hello
• 2138[19:24:16] <jim> hi
• 2139[19:24:25] <paule32> error: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment.
• 2140[19:24:25] <paule32> gtk initialization failed
• 2141[19:24:34] <jelly> !ask
• 2142[19:24:35] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2144[19:24:39] <jim> when you did what?
• 2145[19:24:46] <paule32> this is the message, i get after qemu call
• 2146[19:25:06] <greycat> XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is set when you log in
• 2147[19:25:13] <jelly> paule32: which specific qemu call? what dpkg said was for you.
• 2148[19:25:14] <greycat> it seems you have somehow neglected to log in
• 2149[19:25:25] <jelly> or su - or whatnot
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• 2151[19:25:38] <paule32> i use sudo
• 2152[19:25:39] <greycat> "su -" counts as a login, as does "ssh localhost"
• 2153[19:25:46] <greycat> sudo does not.
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• 2155[19:26:07] <jelly> su - unsets XDG_RUNTIME_DIR here
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• 2157[19:26:18] <greycat> The real question is why you expected to be able to run a GTK (graphical) application after an sudo.
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• 2159[19:26:49] <jim> paule32, people who would help you would need pretty specific information... right now, you're feeding them with little bits of info at a time, it's better you open up and volunteer all the info you know, so people can help you
• 2160[19:27:00] <paule32> replaced-url
• 2161[19:27:07] <paule32> this are the commands
• 2162[19:27:13] <paule32> at line: 14
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• 2166[19:27:39] <greycat> jelly: hmm, that's correct... su - doesn't set the XDG_* variables. Wonder why.
• 2167[19:27:53] <hanasaki> what is needed in the host OS to enable kvm VM's to get their own IP?
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• 2169[19:28:22] <paule32> yes, qemu user ip
• 2170[19:28:32] <paule32> qemu use default ip 10.0.2.2
• 2171[19:28:46] <paule32> but i have 192.168.178.0
• 2172[19:28:51] <greycat> So apparently you need a login *and* something else to get the XDG_* variables set. Just doing a login (shell) isn't enough.
• 2173[19:29:02] <jelly> paule32: that export won't pass thru sudo, I think
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• 2175[19:29:22] <greycat> sudo strips the environment by default, yeah
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• 2177[19:29:37] <paule32> ok let me try, i back soon
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• 2180[19:29:56] <karlpinc> greycat: Wouldn't the "-" in "su -" be strippuing env vars?
• 2181[19:30:01] <greycat> You could brute-force it with sudo username env FOO="$FOO" your command
• 2182[19:30:25] <greycat> karlpinc: Yes, but it also creates a login shell and undergoes some form of PAM login stuff, so it should re-populate the basic environment variables as if you had logged in.
• 2183[19:30:41] <jelly> or run the whole script under sudo instead of calling it multiple times inside script
• 2184[19:31:11] <greycat> I'm still going back to "Why is he trying to run a GRAPHICAL application AFTER an sudo/su?"
• 2185[19:31:41] <jelly> because qemu/kvm is special.
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• 2187[19:32:02] <jelly> and setting up correct permissions for normal user is probably a pita
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• 2196[19:34:15] <neilthereildeil> would i have to rebuild gdb-multiarch to talk toa remote windows target, or is there a package i can install?
• 2197[19:35:27] <paule32> ok
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• 2200[19:35:42] <paule32> i shrink it down, now it comes: gtk initialization failed
• 2201[19:35:52] <paule32> seems the console don't know x11
• 2202[19:35:53] <paule32> ?
• 2203[19:36:42] <greycat> If you're trying to run a graphical (x11) application on a VM and have it display on a real display, *I* personally would go with ssh -X me@vm 'the app'
• 2204[19:36:53] <greycat> After of course setting up X11 Forwarding and all that.
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• 2207[19:39:22] <fille> hi
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• 2211[19:40:16] <paule32> i am under linux mint/debian
• 2212[19:40:25] <paule32> as host, using qemu guest
• 2213[19:40:52] <paule32> but, i can run other x11 applications from same terminal
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• 2218[19:44:32] <fille> hi i wonder if there any way to limit the numbers of request to a specific ip address
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• 2220[19:44:44] <fille> tcp requests*
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• 2222[19:45:11] <paule32> apache2 ?
• 2223[19:45:22] <fille> no i have my own client in libuv
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• 2227[19:45:52] <fille> im able to get 5k req to the server
• 2228[19:45:57] <paule32> then check the reciv. blocks in your client
• 2229[19:46:10] <fille> another server that i use
• 2230[19:46:15] <fille> gets 15k per req
• 2231[19:46:24] <fille> to the same ip
• 2232[19:46:43] <fille> im also binding diffrent ip address to the client
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• 2234[19:46:47] <paule32> you know the rfc protocolls and headers ?
• 2235[19:46:59] <fille> its a http ha proxy server
• 2236[19:47:07] <fille> im connecting too
• 2237[19:47:15] <paule32> yeah, and such servers send headers + body
• 2238[19:47:25] <fille> standard http headers?
• 2239[19:47:36] <paule32> depend on your server
• 2240[19:47:53] <fille> well i send GET / http 1.1
• 2241[19:48:01] <fille> i dont own the server
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• 2243[19:48:18] <paule32> then the response has the body text + header parts X- ...
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• 2245[19:48:39] <fille> its a free server
• 2246[19:48:43] <fille> for domains
• 2247[19:48:53] <fille> so im just getting plain/text
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• 2249[19:49:10] <fille> response headers
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• 2251[19:49:20] <paule32> each server send such header, e.g. how long the body is header + \r\r + body
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• 2254[19:49:27] <fille> yee
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• 2260[19:49:50] <paule32> btw: you can simulate servers by adding virtual nic's on your terminal
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• 2262[19:50:06] <paule32> and run server on the same machine (other ports)
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• 2271[19:51:40] <fille> intressting, i just dont thinks its the server becuase the number of request per sec dosent matter if i have more then one ip binded to the interface
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• 2275[19:52:05] <fille> and i tried all the classic sysctl vars
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• 2277[19:52:19] <paule32> on debian?
• 2278[19:52:19] <fille> can it be an iptables problem?
• 2279[19:52:22] <fille> nod
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• 2282[19:52:44] <paule32> no, you can route ports through
• 2283[19:52:47] <fille> asked the hosting company and they dont have any limits
• 2284[19:52:58] <paule32> no, make your own
• 2285[19:53:07] <fille> ok
• 2286[19:53:15] <paule32> i mean company :-)
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• 2288[19:53:31] <fille> welp,
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• 2291[19:53:42] <paule32> joke, but what big ones can do, that can you do in the little
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• 2294[19:54:07] <paule32> if you need a webserver, use apache2 or tomcat (java)
• 2295[19:54:17] <paule32> if you need domain, use bind9
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• 2298[19:54:36] <paule32> if you need ip's, use linux board tools
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• 2301[19:55:08] <paule32> if you need space, just mount usb stick or disc on system
• 2302[19:55:14] <fille> funny
• 2303[19:55:39] <paule32> if you need statistic's use your own software, or webaliezer
• 2304[19:55:45] <paule32> all free
• 2305[19:56:07] <paule32> would you see what funny is?
• 2306[19:56:10] <fille> well i need to know why my out going connection is limited
• 2307[19:56:34] <paule32> you use a 56k modem ?
• 2308[19:56:41] <fille> 14.4
• 2309[19:56:50] <fille> 9.6 is thre real deal
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• 2311[19:57:23] <paule32> you never need it, download or buy linux cd in store, and install your software and do it local
• 2312[19:57:29] <paule32> :-)
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• 2314[19:57:35] <paule32> little bit joking
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• 2316[19:58:36] <paule32> you have no wifi?
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• 2318[19:58:50] <deadrom> hi
• 2319[19:59:04] <paule32> hi
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• 2321[20:00:24] <deadrom> need to backup a 1tb disk, half full, to a 500GB disk. have lots of cpu power, so I went for multithreaded pixz: pv /dev/nvme0n1 | pv | pixz -t -1 > /backup/image.dd
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• 2323[20:00:48] <deadrom> only getting about 40mb/s tho. any better way? ETA is 5h and I'm in a bit of a hurry
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• 2325[20:01:07] <deadrom> target disk is SSD on sata and should well write 400MB/s
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• 2328[20:02:08] <paule32> video streaming ?
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• 2331[20:03:24] <paule32> you have a bottleneck somewhere
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• 2333[20:04:31] <paule32> pci 32? other programs idle? ...
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• 2335[20:07:03] <deadrom> system not busy with anything else at all. spanking new ryzen/b450. all ports pcie connected.
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• 2361[20:20:52] <muhaha> What should I use for Intel HD 3000 and video hw acceleration? i965-va-driver ?
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• 2370[20:24:42] <Sleaker> muhaha: what deb version are you on?
• 2371[20:24:52] <muhaha> stretch
• 2372[20:25:11] <muhaha> I am not sure also about opengl acceleration, do I need also libgl1-mesa-dri ?
• 2373[20:25:33] <Sleaker> check glxinfo
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• 2375[20:26:00] <Sleaker> pretty sure intel support is built in
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• 2377[20:26:34] <muhaha> ah, but i965-va-driver for video is must have, right?
• 2378[20:28:03] <Sleaker> uh I thought everything was included in the -video-intel package.
• 2379[20:28:27] <Sleaker> and libmesa
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• 2381[20:29:55] <Sleaker> but yah, if you have a i965, then you can install the VAAPI driver
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• 2384[20:30:54] <muhaha> replaced-url
• 2385[20:31:00] <muhaha> The use of this driver is discouraged if your hw is new enough (ca. 2007 and newer). You can try uninstalling this driver and let the server use it's builtin modesetting driver instead.
• 2386[20:31:20] <Sleaker> yah it's just a 2d driver
• 2387[20:31:25] <Sleaker> it's to get things running
• 2388[20:32:01] <Someone_Else> anyone here with decent nftables (+ipv6) knowledge?
• 2389[20:33:14] <Sleaker> muhaha: replaced-url
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• 2395[20:36:32] <muhaha> gud, so opengl is by default in kernel then..
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• 2444[21:11:01] <truexfan81> i've installed pbuilder on debian buster, but the package doesn't seem to provide a binary that i can call on
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• 2447[21:11:46] <truexfan81> when i try to use it bash tells me command not found
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• 2450[21:12:22] <greycat> "dpkg -L pbuilder" will tell you what files it installed
• 2451[21:12:49] <greycat> you should also look in /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/ for information
• 2452[21:13:18] <truexfan81> says it put a binary in /usr/sbin
• 2453[21:13:29] <truexfan81> i wonder why sbin is not in the default path
• 2454[21:13:46] <greycat> Tradition.
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• 2460[21:16:22] <SerajewelKS> oh i'm dumb. the RTMP module is already in debian.
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• 2488[21:46:25] <rebrec> hello, i am trying to do a net install through a serial connection. I wonder how to switch from the installer to the shell (as you can see here replaced-url
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• 2492[21:49:59] <rebrec> nevermind, it seems to be a screen like shortcut (ctrl+A+number) thanks anyway
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• 2524[22:16:14] <rant> apt build-dep -o Dpkg::Options::="--ignore-depends=debhelper" libvpx5 libharfbuzz-gobject0 libharfbuzz-icu0 libharfbuzz0b gir1.2-harfbuzz-0.0 is telling me builddeps:harfbuzz : Depends: debhelper (>= 12) but 12~bpo9+1 is to be installed
• 2525[22:16:43] <rant> the build-dep is satisfied, by a backport! ugh.
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• 2528[22:18:42] <rant> I'm trying to fix chromium and to backport it from sid I'm going to need to also bacport those 5 packages which want debhelper >=12 which I've installed from stretch-backports
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• 2533[22:23:17] <Sleaker> rant: that's to do it from source yes?
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• 2535[22:24:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1544
• 2536[22:24:31] <maxrazer> Strange that obs-studio says it is version 23 in APT, but when I install it it is version 0.0.1 which some post on the obs-studio forum says that is because it is probably from a snap.
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• 2538[22:24:33] <DonK_KijotE> Hi
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• 2540[22:24:50] <somiaj> 12~bpo9+1 seems to be the problem, that ~ means less than 12
• 2541[22:24:58] <somiaj> rant: ^^
• 2542[22:25:20] <maxrazer> replaced-url
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• 2544[22:25:42] <rant> yeah screw it.. I'm either installing a sid chroot or upgrading to sid.. the chromium website says I need 100GB to build chrome and thats just a PITA
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• 2546[22:25:54] <somiaj> chromium is a total pita to build
• 2547[22:25:56] <somiaj> ,v chromium
• 2548[22:25:58] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; sid: 72.0.3626.53-1; stretch-security: 72.0.3626.96-1~deb9u2; buster: 72.0.3626.109-1
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• 2550[22:26:31] <somiaj> rant: what is wrong with the version in stretch-security? Seems to be only slightly behind
• 2551[22:26:46] <rant> somiaj: its still vulnerable to a serious issue
• 2552[22:26:58] <rant> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 2554[22:27:11] <somiaj> which one? If it that serious I would expect security team to get a newer version soon.
• 2555[22:27:30] <rant> somiaj: replaced-url
• 2556[22:27:59] <rant> somiaj: potentially giving full access to your machine, so bad they wont even list any details in the CVE.. heh
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• 2559[22:28:56] <somiaj> my guess is the security team will have a fix for this as soon as they can, the fact that it is now in sid probably means it might be comming to stable soon.
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• 2562[22:29:23] <rant> somiaj: near as I can tell the CVE was issued two days ago
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• 2565[22:30:50] <somiaj> rant: the fix in sid just hit today, with something that seems to be this sever I would expect a security fix soon. Just be careful or use firefox for a couple of days until fixed is my suggestion.
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• 2567[22:31:11] <rant> somiaj: but seeing what a pita it is to try backport it, idk if they're gonna very easily fix this.. if they could they would've already I'd think.. its really nasty.. I'm guessing it won't be fixable without a newer codebase which needs newer debhelper, vpc and harfbuzz crap
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• 2569[22:31:34] <rant> somiaj: that was my plan but after 15min on FF I was ready to kill me or the computer
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• 2571[22:31:48] <rant> I got way too much crap going on in chromium to just switch browsers
• 2572[22:31:48] <somiaj> the backporting is just a pain for someone not use to the source, for someone use to it, it just takes time. I would expect a fix soon.
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• 2576[22:32:16] <rant> it'd be less painful to run sid or setup a sid chroot
• 2577[22:32:46] <somiaj> I think we did an experiment once with someone on irc.oftc.net and took a vm about a day to compile chormium, though this was a slow vm with 2gigs of memeory, my guess is there will be a fix soon, using the version in sid.
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• 2579[22:33:42] <rant> yeah well I got other security issues I need to address and I need my damn browser to do it :P
• 2580[22:33:56] <greycat> ii google-chrome-stable 72.0.3626.121-1 amd64 The web browser from Google
• 2581[22:34:59] <somiaj> yea that is probably a better approach, use googles until debian's get fixed. I don't see a bug report for this CVE, unsure if one is needed or not.
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• 2583[22:35:13] <rant> yeah.. I got chrome too but I never use it.. I suppose I could maybe update chrome and try import all my extensions, passwords, etc
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• 2587[22:37:03] <somiaj> Usually the debian security team is fairly quick on grave issues. I know they sometimes wait on minor issues (as they deem) to lump in multiple fixes in a single update, but this sounds like something I would expect to see soon.
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• 2589[22:37:13] <DonK_KijotE> Hi again
• 2590[22:37:18] <rant> not sure how to do that though.. setting up a sid chroot or running sid I already know how to do.. :D Gonna look into how to migrate my profile from chromium to chrome
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• 2594[22:38:24] <rant> I suppose I could try doing it with the sync thing cause otherwise I dont think its gonna work
• 2595[22:38:32] * rant really doesn't wanna use that
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• 2651[23:10:43] <matsaman> Is there a way in Debian 9 to get node.js' 'npm' executable from packages in the default repos?
• 2652[23:11:03] <greycat> ,file bin/npm
• 2653[23:11:08] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 2662[23:15:17] <rebrec> i guess you will have to use nvm matsaman
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• 2664[23:16:02] <matsaman> Is nvm available via default repos?
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• 2666[23:17:56] <agio> ,file bin/php-cli
• 2667[23:18:00] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
• 2668[23:18:05] <agio> ,file bin/php
• 2669[23:18:09] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 2673[23:19:29] <agio> ,file bin/pandoc
• 2674[23:19:33] <judd> Search for bin/pandoc in stretch/amd64: pandoc: usr/bin/pandoc
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• 2677[23:20:12] <rebrec> matsaman i don't know the reason you want official repo binaries but nvm doesn't install system wide and provide a convenient way to have any version of node/npm packages
• 2678[23:21:10] <matsaman> Same reason I use a package manager at all.
• 2679[23:21:27] <matsaman> Thanks, I guess I'll just use this terrible "snap" approach nodejs upstream says to use.
• 2680[23:21:48] <matsaman> Till bug 918388 is resolved properly.
• 2681[23:22:04] <agio> there is also "nodesource" method of install. but it will lock you to a version of nodejs
• 2682[23:22:38] <agio> its automatically adds nodejs's 3rd party apt repo - so you will get updates from them
• 2683[23:22:50] <agio> *it*
• 2684[23:22:59] <matsaman> Yeah that's what upstream recommends.
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• 2686[23:23:29] <matsaman> Would just've much rather had a normal deb install.
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• 2692[23:26:29] <agio> think the dev's/maintainers have a problem with npm? thats why its not in debian repo's
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• 2694[23:27:27] <karlpinc> agio: It's probably too much to keep up with. I suspect you can search the bug tracking system for why.
• 2695[23:27:30] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
• 2696[23:27:51] <matsaman> Looking at the bug it's just that npm wasn't available in the old version presently included. So I'd say generally not enough dev interest.
• 2697[23:28:06] <matsaman> Can't say I blame them, I'm not a fan. But because I'm not a fan I would _all the more_ prefer a regular .deb install.
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• 2700[23:28:20] <agio> I thought it was because node/npm didn't comply with debian's packaging policy? (but I could be mistaken)
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• 2702[23:28:24] <matsaman> This upstream method asks you to take a totally random unaudited binary and install it as root.
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• 2709[23:30:04] <agio> hah, you mean the command like: curl <nodesource url> | sudo bash ?
• 2710[23:30:37] <agio> yeah, I just did that into a lxc container - didn't install it into my main system
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• 2715[23:31:28] <matsaman> Which is also my use case, but I'd rather not even do that.
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• 2717[23:31:54] <matsaman> They don't even have you check sums or _anything_, it's insane.
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• 2720[23:32:20] <matsaman> How people in technology have that kind of trust and remain employed is beyond me.
• 2721[23:32:47] <matsaman> I'm thinking it might be pretty simple to install a npm-nonsense without npm, I might go that route if I can figure it out.
• 2722[23:32:52] <matsaman> I need but one npm-nonsense. =P
• 2723[23:33:12] <agio> it installs a full apt repo - so I would expect apt-get would do the check summing
• 2724[23:33:23] <agio> or at least gpg signature verification
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• 2726[23:33:45] <matsaman> ...of whatever random repo it gives you
• 2727[23:33:59] <matsaman> What do I care what a repo I don't trust says about how much it trusts itself.
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• 2729[23:34:27] <agio> you were taling about missing checksum's
• 2730[23:34:33] <agio> talking
• 2731[23:34:41] <matsaman> replaced-url
• 2732[23:34:46] <matsaman> Makes me wonder why npm exists at all. =P
• 2733[23:35:20] <matsaman> Yeah it's a bash script. Its contents could be anything.
• 2734[23:35:29] <agio> Im not saying you will get trust, but if the gpg signatures are "good" - you will get the equivalent of a sha/md5 checksum - just minus the trust
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• 2736[23:35:39] <matsaman> Heh. Yeah =)
• 2737[23:37:33] <agio> oh, from reading the link above, its seems debian team are not satisfied with the security state of libv8
• 2738[23:38:02] <matsaman> What from the bug?
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• 2740[23:38:27] <agio> from here:
• 2741[23:38:29] <agio> replaced-url
• 2742[23:39:16] <matsaman> Yeah I don't blame them.
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• 2744[23:39:36] <matsaman> I think I'd rather have the package totally missing than a version without npm, though. But no matter.
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• 2746[23:42:08] <agio> can you install it in an unprivileged container?
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• 2748[23:42:42] <matsaman> I can install it, I just don't wanna.
• 2749[23:42:59] <agio> fair enough
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