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5 [00:00:41] <uniqdom> Hello. I want to setup a VM using Virt-manager. The machine is up and running, but i'm fighting to setup the network. The host machine is connected over WIFI using wlo1 interface. I have seen some /etc/networking/interface example config files where I had to setup a bridge interface. This is what I have: replaced-url
6 [00:01:05] <uniqdom> I'm using wlo1 in bridge_ports. is that ok?
7 [00:01:39] <uniqdom> wlo1 is in the same network of br0. but it uses the ip 192.168.1.211
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14 [00:04:06] <esr> I have some software I would like to see packaged for Debian. Is there an approved channel on which to trey to recruit a package maintainer?
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20 [00:12:52] <jmcnaught> uniqdom: I've never done a bridge on a wifi interface, but it looks like there's a little more involved with it: replaced-url
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23 [00:14:02] <fundatillus> esr: There's some info on the debian.org website, but the general process is to make your request on the proper mailing list.
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25 [00:14:14] <uniqdom> jmcnaught: thanks. I will just use a cable and go with eth0
26 [00:14:23] <jmcnaught> !rfp
27 [00:14:23] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
28 [00:14:28] <jmcnaught> esr: ^^
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31 [00:15:02] <fundatillus> jmcnaught: Well explained.
32 [00:16:10] <esr> jmcnaught: Thank you.
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77 [00:47:01] <Netham46> Sanity check: If I set an interface up like 'iface enp10s0 inet manual' it's not going to send any packets what-so-ever, right? Nothing to the rest of the network that would have it's MAC or anything?
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79 [00:47:44] <RoyK> why?
80 [00:48:24] <Netham46> My cable modem likes to latch on to the first MAC it sees and not output to any other ones unless it's rebooted.
81 [00:48:51] <mawk> yes Netham46
82 [00:48:59] <mawk> you can ensure that by doing up ip link set $IFACE down
83 [00:49:03] <Netham46> Before I'm able to get it to properly respond to DHCP to a VM I'm having to power cycle the modem then reboot the VM.
84 [00:49:10] <Netham46> Cool, ty
85 [00:49:22] <mawk> by doing that in the iface block I mean
86 [00:49:24] <mawk> not as a command
87 [00:49:27] <Netham46> yea\
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89 [00:51:32] <Netham46> Hm, I just realized why CARP never worked right.
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102 [01:02:01] <Netham46> Is there any way to limit the traffic that leaves a port to a specific MAC address? Like, drop all outbound packets where source MAC is not ... ?
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131 [01:20:04] <BenderRodriguez> Netham46: replaced-url
132 [01:20:16] <BenderRodriguez> but you probably don't need to
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214 [01:55:47] <shibboleth> will buster be systemd?
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224 [02:02:08] <booyah> god pleas no
225 [02:02:23] <booyah> shibboleth: but probably sadly yes. well, #devuan exists I guess..
226 [02:03:59] <awal1> shibboleth, systemd is default init system since jessie and will be until for next releases until booyah offers a better alternative :P
227 [02:04:13] <shibboleth> iniyt
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229 [02:04:59] <booyah> what was wrong with initd?
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231 [02:05:03] <awal1> do you have problems with systemd?
232 [02:05:11] <booyah> desides not being co-created with help of debian wymyn
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234 [02:05:23] <booyah> awal1: yes
235 [02:05:35] <awal1> which problem?
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237 [02:05:51] <booyah> since move to systemd, many of computers I use, have now trouble starting up and shutting down
238 [02:06:03] <booyah> and same was confirmed by people I know
239 [02:06:18] <awal1> which kind of problems?
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241 [02:06:45] <booyah> long startup, waiting for llvm/dm (on systems with encrypted disk, yes of course despite password being entered quickly)
242 [02:06:56] <booyah> and system taking long time, or never being able to shut down
243 [02:07:08] <booyah> *lvm
244 [02:07:27] <oiaohm> booyah: you could run into startup and shutdown trouble with sysvinit as well.
245 [02:07:30] <booyah> plus I've seen more then 1 security advisory in systemd already afair
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247 [02:07:53] <booyah> oiaohm: before move to systemd, during many years, I never seen a debian computer that was hanging instead shutting dowqn
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249 [02:08:21] <oiaohm> booyah: I have had sysvinit destroy database instead of wait like systemd would have.
250 [02:08:27] <awal1> systemd have bugs sure but it still like a new project, it is work in progress, it may be better in the future
251 [02:08:53] <awal1> but according to dd's and ttc it is better than sysvinit
252 [02:08:56] <booyah> awal1: I do not want a new thing in my debian
253 [02:08:58] <oiaohm> booyah: systemd harms you one way on shutdown and sysvinit harms you anotgher way.
254 [02:08:59] <booyah> I want a thing that works
255 [02:09:08] <booyah> no need to reinvent initd
256 [02:09:21] <oiaohm> Yes there is a need to reivent initd
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258 [02:09:26] <oiaohm> cgroup tracking
259 [02:09:35] <booyah> oiaohm: you mean higher security?
260 [02:09:36] <awal1> i believe debian dd's did a better choice
261 [02:09:38] <booyah> so far it had less
262 [02:09:47] <oiaohm> booyah: not as higher security.
263 [02:09:54] <booyah> oiaohm: so what for?
264 [02:09:58] <awal1> i am not an expert on sysv/systemd but i am confident with what dd's did
265 [02:10:03] <oiaohm> So that I know that a service has complete stopped is why I want cgroup tracking.
266 [02:10:22] <booyah> oiaohm: initd status exists...
267 [02:10:26] <oiaohm> Not have like a forked off chield under sysvinit holding some file causing the service not to be able to restart.
268 [02:10:49] <oiaohm> booyah: initd status will tell you a service is stop when a forked off chield of that service is still holding a critical file.
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270 [02:10:56] <oiaohm> so the service cannot start
271 [02:11:08] <oiaohm> and now you are playing hunt the process list for the pest.
272 [02:11:25] <booyah> anyway it's retarded it's 2019, we have USA space force division in army, we have car sent to space, but my PC can not shut down
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274 [02:11:55] <awal1> :D
275 [02:12:15] <oiaohm> I do agree but we have not had a init system of any form that would always safely shutdown.
276 [02:12:18] <booyah> I bet Curiosity did better job shutting down on lower power on Mars, then my PC does undere Debian 9
277 [02:12:37] <oiaohm> booyah: No it did not.
278 [02:13:04] <oiaohm> booyah: they had to force reboot from earth Curiousity about 10 times and then run it without ever shutting down.
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280 [02:13:49] <oiaohm> booyah: turns out shutdown a system is not easy.
281 [02:14:30] <oiaohm> Some services designed for sysvinit presume that init system will drop a sledge hammer on them so causes stalls as systemd attempts to wait for them.
282 [02:15:00] <oiaohm> Waiting was added to attempt to avoid data loss from like of killing postgresql or mysql too fast.
283 [02:15:25] <awal1> looks like sysvinit just kills the process not halting, it doesn't care about losing data or similar stuff, and seems that systemd tries to do stuff correctly and sometimes it hangs
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287 [02:16:48] <oiaohm> awal1: exactly and both paths have different trade offs.
288 [02:17:34] <awal1> what bothers me a bit with systemd is unit services, now almost all pkgs should have one and that makes my boot slower
289 [02:17:41] <booyah> oh yeah
290 [02:17:53] <booyah> it is so much better when I have to cut off power
291 [02:17:57] <booyah> thanks systemd
292 [02:18:12] <jmcnaught> booyah: how did you shutdown?
293 [02:18:12] <awal1> apart that i think i am more served with systemd than sysv
294 [02:18:16] <booyah> (obviously kill -9 is better)
295 [02:18:20] <booyah> jmcnaught: shutdown -h now
296 [02:18:55] <jmcnaught> booyah: systemd takes a more literal interpretation of "halt". use poweroff instead
297 [02:18:58] <oiaohm> booyah: kill -9 is what sysvinit does.
298 [02:19:34] <oiaohm> booyah: what is not particular nice todo to databases at times.
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300 [02:19:53] <awal1> my system poweroff in less than 5 seconds
301 [02:20:01] <jmcnaught> or just "shutdown"
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303 [02:20:23] <oiaohm> I find systems with systemd where I am running no legecay crap shutdown quite fast.
304 [02:20:27] <awal1> exceptionally it lates bcoz of a given process not halting, usually dm or nm related
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308 [02:21:30] <oiaohm> Checking out the services that caused stalls with systemd you normally find they are sysvinit style runscripts who stop does not in fact stop everything.
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311 [02:22:20] <oiaohm> Mostly I have found systemd on shutdown has forced me to fix buggy sysvinit scripts that I did not know where buggy due to sysvinit sledge hammer.
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315 [02:23:15] <awal1> booyah, as end users we have not choice using default, there isn't serious alternatives to Lennart and redhat stuff for now; so you know...
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319 [02:24:50] <awal1> anyway, we may have soon a new *nix based system systemdboot + system +gnome :P
320 [02:25:07] <awal1> systemd +systemd + gnome
321 [02:25:23] <oiaohm> Really for most of the sysvinit time frame we did not have serous competition either.
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323 [02:25:54] <awal1> shit, i mean systemd boot (not sure how is called , mayb eit will replace linux) + systemd + gnome
324 [02:26:11] <oiaohm> linuxboot
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328 [02:27:54] <awal1> ,v firewalld
329 [02:27:55] <judd> Package: firewalld on amd64 -- jessie: 0.3.12-1; stretch: 0.4.4.2-1; sid: 0.6.3-4; buster: 0.6.3-5
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332 [02:28:24] <awal1> ,v gummiboot
333 [02:28:25] <judd> Package: gummiboot on amd64 -- jessie: 45-2
334 [02:28:33] <awal1> ,v systemd-boot
335 [02:28:34] <judd> No package named 'systemd-boot' was found in amd64.
336 [02:28:49] <oiaohm> awal1: replaced-url
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338 [02:29:22] <awal1> ok
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340 [02:31:08] <oiaohm> replaced-url
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342 [02:31:21] <oiaohm> This has to be the most min boot system you will find on Linux at the moment.
343 [02:31:43] <oiaohm> But it does not do much either.
344 [02:31:53] <awal1> libreboot look fine too, never tried it
345 [02:32:16] <awal1> well, that is for replace bios (and uefi?) i think
346 [02:33:30] <oiaohm> libreboot is coreboot gutted of blobs so reduced hardware support.
347 [02:34:01] <awal1> yep
348 [02:34:01] <oiaohm> Linuxboot and u-root combination is more realistic on what can be done in the short term.
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350 [02:34:45] <oiaohm> Like the libre kernels have the same problem.
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353 [02:35:05] <oiaohm> They like to forgot hardware can have hard coded in firmware fallbacks that are basically not updated blobs.
354 [02:35:44] <oiaohm> So not having to upload blob and a bit of hardware works that would have otherwise required a blob is basically running older less secure firmware.
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377 [02:52:40] <mek42_laptop> how do I figure out which repo this package is in? (which repo do I need to add?) replaced-url
378 [02:53:58] <outoftime> ,file bin/nix
379 [02:54:01] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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382 [03:00:15] <jmcnaught> mek42_laptop: it will be in unstable first, but you can't install unstable or testing packages on Debian stable without breaking things. You might be able to backport the package though
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421 [03:20:02] <mek42_laptop> do I need to reboot after apt upgrade from stretch to testing? (and subsequently to sid?)
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423 [03:20:47] <dvs> mek42_laptop, why are you going to sid?
424 [03:20:59] <mek42_laptop> to get nix
425 [03:21:05] <dvs> ,v nix
426 [03:21:06] <judd> No package named 'nix' was found in amd64.
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428 [03:21:33] <dvs> no such package
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430 [03:22:09] <mek42_laptop> ah - is there a way to figure out which repo it is in from replaced-url
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432 [03:23:08] <dvs> mek42_laptop, well testing and unstable are pretty close in versions so it would make much difference to go to unstable.
433 [03:24:01] <dvs> There's still no package named "nix"
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439 [03:25:09] <mek42_laptop> if it is a new package, is there someplace it would live before unstable?
440 [03:25:28] <dvs> dunno
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442 [03:25:52] <mek42_laptop> ok, ty for doing the package search before I upgraded to sid :)
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471 [03:46:54] <jim> on a stretch box, how can I start using ACLs?
472 [03:47:09] <jim> (doc urls welcome as usual)
473 [03:47:40] <jim> do I need to load a module or something like that
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508 [04:23:35] <AtTheLoj> anyone know how to use ranger to bulk rename
509 [04:23:46] <AtTheLoj> right now i am using y$ to select all files in a folder
510 [04:24:03] <AtTheLoj> and then :bulkrename but it says "no renaming to be done!"
511 [04:24:06] <AtTheLoj> am i being stupid
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562 [04:59:00] <de-facto> where would a new .deb install its systemd program.service files to?
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571 [05:00:39] <de-facto> ah i see /lib/systemd/system/program.service
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603 [05:37:33] <outoftime> How to change keyboard layout using terminal?
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609 [05:42:23] <tarzeau> outoftime: setxkbmap in X
610 [05:42:27] <tarzeau> outoftime: otherwise loadkeys
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612 [05:42:45] <tarzeau> try us for example or fr to get a braindead layout
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621 [05:47:32] <Marz> the debian installer does not for the file for efi boot
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623 [05:47:49] <Marz> grubx64.efi is missing
624 [05:49:17] <awal1> outoftime, setxkbmap, as you have been told. example: " setxkbmap -layout es " for chose spanish
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642 [06:05:54] <outoftime> awal1: can I select "next" keyboard layout ?
643 [06:06:11] <awal1> next?
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646 [06:08:04] <outoftime> awal1: I had gnome and installed i3. In i3 there are menu which displays 2 layouts I can switch with my mouse, when I'm using `setxkbmap` I can specify layout, but I can not assign that command for shortcut to circle layouts
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648 [06:09:22] <outoftime> awal1: more over, after executing `setxkbmap` readline stops working for therminal input, shortcust like Ctrl+U, Ctrl+D, etc.
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651 [06:11:58] <awal1> outoftime, i have no clue about how i3 wm works or how/where is configured, so can't be much of help
652 [06:12:26] <outoftime> awal1: what about gnome?
653 [06:13:38] <awal1> i use openbo. for openbox i will be just as follow (example):
654 [06:14:01] <awal1> <keybind key="W-t">
655 [06:14:01] <awal1> <action name="Execute">
656 [06:14:01] <awal1> <command>setxkbmap -layout es</command>
657 [06:14:01] <awal1> </action>
658 [06:14:01] <awal1> </keybind>
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661 [06:14:45] <awal1> i have no clue about gnome
662 [06:14:48] <outoftime> awal1: just curios what internals can be used to circle layouts, use `echo hello | nc termbin.com 9999`
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664 [06:15:25] <awal1> you have to figure out how i3 is configured
665 [06:16:16] <awal1> create a shortcut to cal setxkbmap in the correct config file
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667 [06:18:17] <awal1> in my example i 'll use windows(super9 key + t for apply spanish layout via setxkbmap
668 [06:19:04] <awal1> so just google how you create keybindings/shortcuts in i3 and in which file
669 [06:19:16] <awal1> sleep time here. bye and good luck
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750 [07:45:18] <perseiver> Hello I have made lots of changes to 'iptable'. Now, some features is blocked. I want to reset the iptables to original state
751 [07:45:44] <perseiver> How to do reset the iptables to back state for Debian Server.?
752 [07:46:36] <perseiver> Earlier i tried to stop the iptables and due to that I was not able to reach the server anymore. So I have to ask my VPS provider to restart it manually
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756 [07:46:57] <perseiver> Is there any safe method to reset iptables or stop Debian firewall. Just for local testing
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758 [07:49:18] <tarzeau> remove the fw software? iptables --flush usually?
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760 [07:49:55] <cubemonkey> Is there a preferred or official method of sharing the cache files for apt-get? I know Ubuntu has apt-p2p, and I could possibly fake it by sharing a common cache directory betwen a series of machines. I know I could also build a proxy. I'm hoping to avoid building the proxy, and suspect that sharing a common cache directory could cause unforseen problems. Thoughts/ideas/warnings/..?
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762 [07:50:36] <rudi_s> perseiver: You must be careful, because although --flush will remove all rules, if you changed the default policy, you might lock yourself out.
763 [07:51:14] <rudi_s> iptables-save and ip6tables save to a file, remove all rules and ensure the default policy is ACCEPT for all chains. Then use iptables-restore < file to apply the (now empty) firewall.
764 [07:51:19] <perseiver> yes rudi_s, that's why I am very careful, need suggestion from expert.
765 [07:51:33] <rudi_s> Or better, just manipulate the resulting file to block what you want and apply it.
766 [07:51:51] <rudi_s> And if you got everything working, install iptables-persistent so the rules are automatically enabled on boot.
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769 [07:52:03] <rudi_s> (But only after you made sure they are working ;-))
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772 [07:52:31] <perseiver> ok rudi_s, I just want to stop all iptables rule that I have set and make it to basic level.
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774 [07:54:28] <rudi_s> perseiver: Then do what I wrote above. Or (if you have no persistent rules configured somewhere) reboot the host.
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778 [07:58:58] <perseiver> ok
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786 [08:07:13] <perseiver> I have updated some package from SID main repository, and some program not working as earlier. I don't know how to rollback all package back to Stretch repository
787 [08:07:54] <perseiver> Is there a way to find out which package is installed via SID and accordingly, I run command to install the package from Stretch main repository?
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790 [08:10:11] <rudi_s> !frankendebian
791 [08:10:11] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
792 [08:11:08] <rudi_s> perseiver: You can do that (for example with apt-forktracer) but if you mix packages from different releases and don't know what you're doing, you're on your own. Try backports or careful pinning in the future.
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795 [08:13:13] <perseiver> ok
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802 [08:15:40] <Haxxa> I want to setup ISCSI I assume target-cli is the best tool for this? I head there were other options too?
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821 [08:26:15] <de-facto> Trying to build a new package but lintian dislikes my location: udev-rule-in-etc etc/udev/rules.d/60-program.rules
822 [08:26:22] <de-facto> where else should i place it then?
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825 [08:27:50] <de-facto> is /lib/udev/rules.d a better place maybe?
826 [08:29:09] <rudi_s> de-facto: Yes.
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828 [08:30:05] <petn-randall> de-facto: Depends on for whom you're building the package. For Debian you should change this, if it's your personal package, you can do whatever you like.
829 [08:31:23] <de-facto> yes i know, i just try to do the right thing
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833 [08:34:40] <petn-randall> de-facto: FYI, there's also #debian-mentors, if you're interested in packaging things for Debian. It's more catered towards helping out people with packaging questions (though it's still fine to ask here).
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838 [08:36:22] <de-facto> thank you i will look into there some day :)
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849 [08:39:27] <n4dir> and if you don't package for debian, but for yourself, there is #packaging (iirc)
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889 [08:56:37] <Haxxa> uh any ideas: replaced-url
890 [08:56:47] <Haxxa> dpkg: error processing package python3-rtslib-fb
891 [08:56:48] <dpkg> haxxa: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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895 [08:57:12] <Haxxa> dpkg, goat
896 [08:57:12] <dpkg> billy goat gates is pecked by penguin..you loose|<reply>two billy gates goats...how very unattractive
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937 [09:11:34] <Haxxa> anyone :/
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959 [09:22:23] <petn-randall> Haxxa: Have you checked the BTS if the bug is already reported?
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966 [09:29:22] <Haxxa> petn-randall, yes it is not
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968 [09:29:34] <Haxxa> I am just going to use tgt I think isntead
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979 [09:35:04] <Haxxa> actually tgt seems abadoned
980 [09:35:13] <Haxxa> what to do now!
981 [09:35:13] <petn-randall> Haxxa: What's the complete journaltctl output from that service? It looks like a truncated backtrace from what I can see.
982 [09:36:08] <Haxxa> petn-randall, replaced-url
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985 [09:37:26] <petn-randall> Haxxa: That's *not* the journalctl output.
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988 [09:37:49] <petn-randall> Haxxa: `journalctl -u rtslib-fb-targetctl.service`
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992 [09:38:59] <Haxxa> petn-randall, replaced-url
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997 [09:40:23] <petn-randall> "errors = RTSRoot().restore_from_file(restore_file=from_file)", sounds like you have a file on your system that's causing it to crash.
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1000 [09:40:51] <Haxxa> I don't see how
1001 [09:41:50] <Haxxa> isn't in _create_in_cfs_ine the offending fucntion
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1005 [09:42:45] <Haxxa> thats the key error
1006 [09:42:46] <Haxxa> rtslib_fb.utils.RTSLibError: Could not create ISCSIFabricModule in configFS
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1018 [09:51:11] <muhaha> greycat ping
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1028 [09:58:31] <fling> Can't I downgrade from sid?
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1030 [09:59:03] <at0m> !downgrade
1031 [09:59:03] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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1040 [10:02:18] <n4dir> fling: what you sometimes can do is change from sid to testing and then just wait. Right now testing is frozen to be the next stable, so ... rather not
1041 [10:02:41] <fling> n4dir: tell me more please
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1044 [10:03:32] <n4dir> more? that is pretty much all. You change to testing, most packages, sooner or later, will go from sid to testing, so after a while you would be running testing, not stable
1045 [10:03:58] <n4dir> but when testing is frozen, packages don't go from sid to testing (easily), hence it won't work right now
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1047 [10:04:22] <n4dir> or at least it will take so long, that you would better just reinstall. in my opinion, of course.
1048 [10:04:33] <n4dir> makes a bit of sense now?
1049 [10:05:43] <fling> Is this bad? -> replaced-url
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1051 [10:05:58] <fling> I can always rollback a snapshot if something will go wrong
1052 [10:06:14] <fling> I can even create a separate container for testing downgrades :P
1053 [10:06:15] <n4dir> not much time right now, but i'd say no, it sure won't work easily.
1054 [10:06:18] <fling> n4dir: thanks for the info!!
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1058 [10:07:06] <n4dir> in general this channel (and forums too) recommended against "downgrades". as far i can tell. But hey, with a container, give it a try, if you consider it fun
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1061 [10:07:34] <petn-randall> fling: It's a better approach to reinstall, as downgrading is not supported. Config files might change, file might need to get moved around, database formats upgraded. On package *upgrade*, the maintainer scripts take care of this. For downgrade there simply isn't such a thing.
1062 [10:07:49] <n4dir> backup your data, including personal files, reinstall, that can be done in the blink of an eye.
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1064 [10:08:01] <petn-randall> fling: So even if the downgrade seems to have worked, you'll run into subtle brokenness over time.
1065 [10:08:27] <fling> Ok, sounds like a good idea
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1067 [10:08:39] <n4dir> petn-randall: and even the mere possibility, knowing for sure to have a working system is the reason one wants stable, imho.
1068 [10:08:59] <fling> I can reinstall into a separate container, install all the things, then rsync userdata over
1069 [10:09:08] <t3st3r> fling> programs usually consider upgrade path like converting data/config to new format, etc. But never downgrade. So this way full of pitfalls.
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1071 [10:09:44] <fling> I should script this…
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1073 [10:10:18] <t3st3r> At some point you'll eventually find that some program fails somewhere. Because it does not understoods data or config left by old version. Or maybe dozen of programs. It could be hard to spot at once but can eventually cause troubles.
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1077 [10:11:12] <t3st3r> Guess that's why debian does not really supports going back. If one really needs that - they better off go with snapshots or so. Rolling EVERYTHING back. Including all config and user data at once.
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1079 [10:11:36] <fling> t3st3r: this is what I would do.
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1082 [10:11:49] <fling> t3st3r: ther problem is I want stretch now but I installed sid from the beginning :P
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1084 [10:12:15] <t3st3r> snapshot could have it more or less consistent - in sense its versions of programs are able to handle those versions of data/configs/etc.
1085 [10:13:12] <fling> Are not you running debian in lxd? Everything just works but after upgrading to ~3.2 or something systemd is not starting in containers restarting after the host reboot. So I need to restart all the containers afterwards.
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1090 [10:14:17] <fling> Also how to fix apt-cacher-ng giving me 403 errors for certain files?
1091 [10:14:34] <fling> Wget says only for few files -> Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden file type or location
1092 [10:14:43] <fling> like replaced-url
1093 [10:14:52] <fling> or replaced-url
1094 [10:15:02] <fling> reproducible every time
1095 [10:15:14] <fling> 99.9% of distfiles are downloaded without any errors.
1096 [10:15:36] <fling> Nothing useful in the log and files are missing on the proxy server
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1116 [10:25:09] <Haxxa> What would the fstab entry look like from this: mount -t configfs none /config
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1133 [10:34:06] <Fox> Haxxa: replaced-url
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1136 [10:34:49] <Haxxa> Fox will that mount at "/config" ?
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1140 [10:37:00] <Fox> no
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1143 [10:37:39] <Fox> it's usualy mounted as /sys/kernel/config why would you like it to be /config ?
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1147 [10:38:54] <Fox> just replace /sys/kernel/config with /config and you should be done
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1151 [10:41:42] <shtrb> Lenovo users around and thinking about doing a uefi upgrade, the fwupd may destroy your grub installation (replaced-url
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1162 [10:46:35] <fling> Is there a fine step-by-step guide of making qt apps to use gtk theme properly?
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1164 [10:46:55] <rant> heh
1165 [10:47:01] <petn-randall> Is that even possible?
1166 [10:47:45] <eksegenis> qt is qt and gtk is gtk
1167 [10:47:57] <blackflow> not sure about "properly" but there's things like replaced-url
1168 [10:48:02] <tarzeau> and gnustep is superior
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1170 [10:52:05] <erle-> fling, rewrite them with Gtk+ :D
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1179 [10:54:44] <fling> erle-: no
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1189 [11:01:39] <plantroon> was there any change to imagemagick/graphicsmagick between Debian 9.5-9.7?
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1195 [11:04:09] <blackflow> plantroon: replaced-url
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1313 [12:14:12] <Pandadub_Lostshi> Hi , I need to read/write a mounted device in 2 distros in dual boot, sharing the /mnt or /dev directory would suffice?
1314 [12:15:25] <klys> for that, share the /mnt directory, or any other /? of your choosing.
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1316 [12:16:37] <Pandadub_Lostshi> thanks klys , do I need to specify the same uuid to this mounted device in both distros?
1317 [12:16:45] <klys> if you plan to run them concurrently, you will require something else (nfs).
1318 [12:17:16] <klys> if it has a uuid assigned to it, presumably.
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1320 [12:17:50] <klys> I am more of a traditional character who hasn't adopted uuid mounts yet.
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1324 [12:22:50] <Pandadub_Lostshi> thanks klys
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1463 [13:59:18] <kreyren> Is there a way to remove apt from debian? eg. on gentoo if `emerge -C portage` is invoked portage will commit suicide and clean after itself
1464 [14:00:10] <petn-randall> kreyren: Sure, though it'll give you a big fat warning when you try to remove an essential package.
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1466 [14:00:26] <kreyren> so `apt remove apt` will work?
1467 [14:00:40] <petn-randall> !tias
1468 [14:00:40] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
1469 [14:00:42] <kreyren> >>> These are the packages that would be unmerged:
1470 [14:00:42] <kreyren> * Not unmerging package sys-apps/portage-2.3.62 since there is no valid
1471 [14:00:42] <kreyren> * reason for Portage to unmerge itself.
1472 [14:00:43] <kreyren> ah
1473 [14:00:46] <kreyren> waid
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1476 [14:00:56] <kreyren> sorry typo
1477 [14:01:02] <petn-randall> !paste
1478 [14:01:02] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1479 [14:01:08] <kreyren> E: Essential packages were removed and -y was used without --allow-remove-essential. so --allow-remove-essential will work?
1480 [14:01:23] <kreyren> ik i pasted wrong thing sorry :X
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1482 [14:01:35] <petn-randall> yes
1483 [14:02:15] <kreyren> thanks!
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1485 [14:04:18] <kreyren> Can i change root directory for apt somehow? Alike use apt to install package on different system?
1486 [14:04:37] <petn-randall> kreyren: What are you trying to do?
1487 [14:04:51] <kreyren> petn-randall: working on LFS that has all package managers on demand
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1490 [14:05:05] <kreyren> + i want to experiment with Redox Unix
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1492 [14:05:38] <petn-randall> kreyren: You'll have to ask in their support channel then. This isn't a generic apt support channel, it's for Debian.
1493 [14:06:25] <kreyren> ok ty
1494 [14:06:35] <kreyren> what is support channel for apt?
1495 [14:06:38] <kreyren> #apt not a thing it seems
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1506 [14:11:07] <BCMM> kreyren: pretty much here, i guess (provided it's debian, anyway)
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1509 [14:12:39] <petn-randall> BCMM: Read the backlog, it's LFS + Redox Unix.
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1511 [14:13:11] <BCMM> petn-randall: oh, sorry. i skimmed it, found "Is there a way to remove apt from debian", and assumed it was ontopic
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1514 [14:13:50] <kreyren> BCMM: now my question is how do i make apt unpack packages in different root? eg. portage `ROOT="PATH" emerge portage` will install portage in PATH
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1518 [14:14:13] <BCMM> kreyren: best off asking whichever distro you're using apt on. if you're on LFS, you're somewhat on your own, but isn't that the point?
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1520 [14:14:41] <kreyren> it's ubuntu atm
1521 [14:14:45] <petn-randall> !linux from scratch
1522 [14:14:46] <dpkg> Linux From Scratch (LFS) is a project providing instructions for building a custom Linux system entirely from source code. replaced-url
1523 [14:14:48] <petn-randall> !ubuntu
1524 [14:14:48] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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1526 [14:14:58] <petn-randall> kreyren: You'll find the support channels here ^^^
1527 [14:15:07] <BCMM> kreyren: (but on the topic specifically of removing apt from debian: i don't see why you couldn't do it with dpkg, the low-level package manager, since as far as i know dpkg doesn't require apt)
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1529 [14:15:48] <kreyren> Ubunters don't know how ubuntu works mostly.. Do also have multiboot for debian can you answer?
1530 [14:16:06] <BCMM> kreyren: consider a debian chroot. it'll be a lot cleaner than using apt alongside other package managers and just hoping they don't clobber each other's files
1531 [14:16:37] <kreyren> BCMM: portage will results in fatal if it encounters conflicts.. not a thing on apt?
1532 [14:16:47] <fling> kreyren: lxd works fine on ubuntu and debian works fine in lxd
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1534 [14:17:23] <BCMM> if you find that you can't get good support for ubuntu, take it as a reason not to use ubuntu, rather than a reason to insist that debian should supports ubuntu
1535 [14:17:24] <kreyren> fling: how it is relevant? expected to unpack apt's packages into a different ROOT.
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1537 [14:18:21] <kreyren> BCMM: i'm using ubuntu as backup OS for Redox, LFS and Gentoo so it's more effective for me to use ubuntu rather then configuring debian atm.. i'm aware of that
1538 [14:19:18] <BCMM> kreyren: i suggest you look at dpkg's documentation
1539 [14:20:18] <kreyren> BCMM: will do if none here knows the answer.
1540 [14:20:21] <fling> kreyren: there is also debootstrap
1541 [14:20:35] <fling> kreyren: debootstrap is installing debs into a separate $ROOT
1542 [14:20:42] <BCMM> kreyren: apt is the "high level" package manager - it downloads packages and resolves dependencies. dpkg actually installs and removes packages. and dpkg has a --root=dir option.
1543 [14:20:46] <fling> kreyren: you can run it from gentoo :P
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1546 [14:21:18] <BCMM> (but you're probably still going to be on your own with setting appropriate paths for any of that to work as expected if you don't want to use something like chroot)
1547 [14:21:27] <fling> apt ~ emerge, dpkg ~ ebuild
1548 [14:21:34] <BCMM> fling++
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1554 [14:23:28] <BCMM> (also man apt.conf for passing dpkg options through apt)
1555 [14:23:43] <HD|Laptop> hello all. Anyone here with a bit of experience with openstack / neutron and Debian (testing)?
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1557 [14:24:16] <HD|Laptop> I'm hitting an ebtables error: "Policy DROP not allowed for user defined chains.", full log @ replaced-url
1558 [14:24:16] <kreyren> BCMM: --root=dir thanks helpful.
1559 [14:24:27] <kreyren> fling: debootstrap meaning?
1560 [14:24:39] <petn-randall> !debian-next
1561 [14:24:39] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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1563 [14:24:41] <petn-randall> HD|Laptop: ^^^
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1566 [14:25:30] <fling> kreyren: I have no idea of the meaning
1567 [14:25:37] <fling> kreyren: `emerge dev-util/debootstrap` to get it
1568 [14:25:45] <HD|Laptop> thx
1569 [14:25:52] <kreyren> fling: or like what is debootstrap?
1570 [14:26:06] <themill> kreyren: .deb packages are, in general, not relocatable. You can put them into a chroot or other container, but not arbitrarily change the installation root.
1571 [14:26:10] <fling> kreyren: something used to create debian root filesystems
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1573 [14:26:32] <kreyren> fling: i see will check ty
1574 [14:26:34] <fling> themill: you are talking about prefix but he is not.
1575 [14:26:41] <tarzeau> themill: unless with LD_LIBRARY_PATH fiddling: replaced-url
1576 [14:26:46] <kreyren> themill: noted
1577 [14:26:58] <themill> fling: I'm not sure that is true
1578 [14:27:04] <tarzeau> i've needed that on some broken computers (fedora, without root access, and no software)
1579 [14:27:10] <tarzeau> messy but it does the job
1580 [14:27:14] <HD|Laptop> petn-randall: argh, can't connect - workplace bans outgoing traffic not on 80/443
1581 [14:27:16] <fling> themill: ok, I don't really know what kreyren is doing ;P
1582 [14:27:18] <themill> tarzeau: and PATH, and PYTHONPATH and ....
1583 [14:27:25] <tarzeau> themill: yeah and and and
1584 [14:27:33] <tarzeau> themill: true, i never said it's easy
1585 [14:27:38] <tarzeau> only, it's possible
1586 [14:27:43] <themill> not really
1587 [14:27:51] <tarzeau> yes really, i've done it, it worked for me
1588 [14:27:53] <themill> as soon as you meet a maintainer script, you're hosed
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1590 [14:27:58] <fling> everything is possible with ld hacks
1591 [14:28:01] <tarzeau> unless you fix it
1592 [14:28:05] <themill> fling: nope
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1594 [14:28:15] <kreyren> fling: working on LFS and Redox Unix that has all package managers available on demand.
1595 [14:28:20] <BCMM> kreyren: debootstrap is an alternative way of installing debian. it creates a debian filesystem in an arbitrary directory. using it to do a "real" install feels a bit like gentoo - boot live media, make partitions, unpack filesystem and chroot
1596 [14:28:20] <tarzeau> ah post/pre/inst/rm you mean, do it manually, you're not hosed
1597 [14:28:26] <themill> tarzeau: at which point you're no longer using the packages
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1599 [14:28:36] <tarzeau> themill: unfortunately, true
1600 [14:28:37] * petn-randall still wonders how this all relates to #debian.
1601 [14:28:38] <kreyren> BCMM: noted, helpful ty
1602 [14:28:58] <tarzeau> that's why i like the macOS (or rather, NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/GNUstep packaging of way of software), like gobolinux does it
1603 [14:29:17] <tarzeau> .app folder you can put in user domain, system domain, local, and/or network
1604 [14:29:30] <tarzeau> and heck it worked cross-platform
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1606 [14:29:50] <tarzeau> 1997-2019 feels like -20 years timemachine
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1608 [14:32:00] <BCMM> HD|Laptop: replaced-url
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1610 [14:32:30] <HD|Laptop> BCMM: "Your browser will use javascript and socket.io to directly connect to the API at replaced-url
1611 [14:32:39] <HD|Laptop> which is why their webirc doesn't work for me
1612 [14:32:44] <BCMM> oh right. sorry, i assume it worked the same was as freenode's webchat
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1614 [14:33:24] <HD|Laptop> unfortunately no :/ one should think they should have gotten enough complaints in at least four years but no... ^^
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1616 [14:34:39] <BCMM> oh i see, they have an almost entirely client-side thing that actually speaks IRC in the browser...
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1618 [14:36:18] <BCMM> what about mibbit? does it need websockets?
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1622 [14:37:44] <HD|Laptop> BCMM: banned, replaced-url
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1634 [14:46:19] <OS-45007> /join #offsec
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1640 [14:49:19] <BCMM> i wish i knew how these people always end up in #debian
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1642 [14:49:56] <SpeedyG> because for some reason, the default chat client in the offsec kali vm is set to join #debian instead of #offsec
1643 [14:49:57] <BCMM> is #debian on autoconnect in Kali's irc client or something?
1644 [14:50:00] <BCMM> lol
1645 [14:50:11] <teclo-> heh
1646 [14:50:11] <BCMM> they're a really great advert for that course...
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1648 [14:50:50] * SpeedyG is a student in disguise :P
1649 [14:51:06] <SpeedyG> although I never used the offsec irc client :P
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1655 [14:52:12] <petn-randall> hi Jed
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1663 [14:54:39] <BCMM> SpeedyG: i'm guessing it's a matter of Kali using the unmodified hexchat package from debian
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1665 [14:55:39] <SpeedyG> BCMM: yeah
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1667 [14:55:53] <SpeedyG> since kali is based on debian, that makes sens :)
1668 [14:55:55] <SpeedyG> *sense
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1679 [15:09:36] <Ede|Popede> wasn't systemd also meant to restart services when they crash?
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1682 [15:10:15] <greycat> A service can be configured to respawn. Most are not.
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1684 [15:12:30] <Ede|Popede> i see. so that's why ibus didn't come back while thins one gvfs-whatever returns every time after i had to kill it?
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1686 [15:13:06] <Ede|Popede> though it doesn't run atm it seems. can't see it in htop. maybe it gets restarted when i use some gtk to open files or such
1687 [15:13:29] <greycat> look for "Restart", "RestartSec", etc. in the service's unit file(s)
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1718 [15:35:53] <Ede|Popede> hm. ibus is running, started 2 hours ago. no idea if this happens regularly or it tooks days to restart after it crashed. or even if only the panel button died. well, super+space doesn't work atm. and ibus doesn't seem to have a unit file.
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1722 [15:37:15] <greycat> check "journalctl -u ibus" (or whatever the service name is) for errors or any other useful info
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1727 [15:41:32] <Ede|Popede> no entries at all for anything ibus. is it even handled by <insertnamehere>d?
1728 [15:41:58] <karlpinc> Does debian have login rate limiting of any sort built-in? (I'm too lazy to poke around and figure it out -- and I haven't noticed any.)
1729 [15:42:57] * Ede|Popede sometimes mistypes his password in the tty and had to wait up to 30s or so to get back to the prompt
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1731 [15:43:35] <HD|Laptop> hmm. how long does the debian bts usually need to acknowledge an email?
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1734 [15:43:54] <greycat> Historically, several minutes to a couple hours.
1735 [15:43:57] <karlpinc> Ede|Popede: On the console or via ssh.
1736 [15:44:04] <Ede|Popede> karlpinc: console
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1738 [15:44:20] <karlpinc> HD|Laptop: I sent something in a couple of weeks ago and the bts was busy and took hours.
1739 [15:44:46] <HD|Laptop> ok :) thanks
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1777 [16:09:13] <milkt> "acpi" command of debian package "acpi" usually give me battery information, but in some boot "acpi" command don't give me any output until i reboot system. is there way i can fix it without rebooting?
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1781 [16:10:37] <petn-randall> milkt: You'd probably have to debug what files in /proc or /sys are missing, and then follow-up on why they are missing.
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1785 [16:11:22] <milkt> can i know which file shuold be exist but missing?
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1788 [16:12:36] <plantroon> blackflow: thx for the link on imagemagick changelog
1789 [16:14:20] <plantroon> guys, you know what just happened: systemd on a server running Debian 9.8 got a memory leak. So processes started getting killed of course. I am suspecting that the reason might be that I did not reboot the server after the latest updates to 9.8.
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1804 [16:20:26] <petn-randall> plantroon: How did you come to the conclusion that it's systemd? Which process exactly?
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1806 [16:22:03] <plantroon> petn-randall: PID1 was consuming around 4 GB of RAM
1807 [16:22:18] <plantroon> systemctl daemon-reexec freed this memory
1808 [16:23:17] <petn-randall> plantroon: Interesting. Can you check in /var/log/apt/history.log from which version to which version you upgraded?
1809 [16:23:25] <blackflow> plantroon: which memory, though. rss or virtual?
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1812 [16:25:10] <plantroon> virtual 4702 and resident 4494
1813 [16:25:30] <greycat> clearly that's after the reexec
1814 [16:25:48] <blackflow> if those are numbers from ps, that's in kB
1815 [16:25:56] <plantroon> oh no, MB from htop
1816 [16:25:58] <plantroon> before reexec
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1818 [16:28:03] <blackflow> plantroon: any theories what caused it?
1819 [16:29:16] <plantroon> blackflow: hard to say. There's a lot of stuff runing on there, PHP mainly. What I was doing recently though, I was trying to fix imagemagick. It used the wrong colorspace after one of the upgrades.
1820 [16:29:44] <plantroon> also the upgrades were from 9.7 to 9.8
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1833 [16:40:24] <petn-randall> plantroon: Could you check the version history?
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1835 [16:41:36] <plantroon> petn-randall: of Debian or something else? What exactly would be useful?
1836 [16:41:46] <petn-randall> 16:23 <petn-randa > plantroon: Interesting. Can you check in /var/log/apt/history.log from which version to which version you upgraded?
1837 [16:42:26] <plantroon> yeah, I am still "checking" that file because it is a mess and I am trying to make sense of it
1838 [16:42:43] <greycat> Hmm, a weird a probably irrelevant thing: after rebooting with the 9.8 kernel/systemd stuff, "ps u -p 1" shows the COMMAND as /sbin/init. Before rebooting, the same ps command shows the COMMAND as /lib/systemd/systemd (plus args).
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1841 [16:43:45] <blackflow> greycat: same here now that you mention it
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1843 [16:44:20] <greycat> I only noticed because I haven't bothered rebooting this workstation yet.
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1845 [16:44:33] <blackflow> but that's just a symlink to systemd
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1847 [16:44:48] <greycat> Yeah. It's probably irrelevant/harmless.
1848 [16:45:05] <sk_tandt> Greetings! I've setup a repo, which I reach through openvpn, but I get this error upon apt update: Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NOSPLIT' (does the network require authentication?)
1849 [16:45:06] <plantroon> checked many servers, same thing here. Difference is between Debian 9.7 and 9.8.
1850 [16:45:40] <plantroon> (some not rebooted. Actually sorry, might not be 9.7 to 9.8 difference)
1851 [16:45:42] <blackflow> technically 9.6 and 9.8. 9.7 was out of order emergency release for apt
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1858 [16:47:14] <petn-randall> sk_tandt: Hard to say without any further info. Like the complete error you're getting, and how you set up the repo.
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1860 [16:48:11] <sk_tandt> petn-randall, that's the whole error (at least, that I know of): as for the repo, setup following replaced-url
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1862 [16:49:00] <petn-randall> sk_tandt: I have a hard time imagining that a `apt update` run only output a single line.
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1864 [16:50:21] <blackflow> plantroon: greycat : this is why: replaced-url
1865 [16:50:35] <blackflow> /sbin/init is normal process name. it will change after daemon-reexec
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1867 [16:51:14] <blackflow> just tested, indeed it is. so after systemd update, which I suppose triggers teh reexec, you'll see /lib/system/systemd <args> in the ps tree
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1869 [16:51:31] <greycat> I've never even *heard* of daemon-reexec until today, and I certainly never did one.
1870 [16:51:31] <blackflow> but after reboot, it's back to /sbin/init
1871 [16:51:39] <greycat> Not knowingly at least.
1872 [16:51:54] <blackflow> always been there for in-place upgrade of pid eins iirc
1873 [16:52:12] <plantroon> oh this is quite a mess. The server where systemd leaked does not even have 9.8 yet. systemd version 232-25+deb9u8
1874 [16:52:13] <greycat> I suppose there could've been apt upgrades that replaced systemd without rebooting.
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1876 [16:53:24] <sk_tandt> petn-randall, you're absolutely right, but it is the only error related to the repository
1877 [16:53:27] <blackflow> it's not systemd that requires reboot, it's when dbus bumps. also stupid journald can't restart, so... argh, a mess.
1878 [16:53:30] <sk_tandt> Pasting full output
1879 [16:53:52] <petn-randall> sk_tandt: Thanks
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1881 [16:54:15] <sk_tandt> To you! replaced-url
1882 [16:54:32] <blackflow> plantroon: not quite. most of the updates brought by debian point releases are already installed if you upgrade regularly
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1884 [16:54:42] <sk_tandt> Lines 11:12
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1886 [16:55:23] <blackflow> plantroon: meaning you can have the lastest systemd even thought lsb release still shows 9.7
1887 [16:56:12] <blackflow> plantroon: though deb9u9 is latest
1888 [16:56:48] <petn-randall> sk_tandt: Well, the site doesn't even load in the browser, so something broken there.
1889 [16:57:07] <petn-randall> sk_tandt: I can't even ping that domain with getting TTL exceeded, so seems like the low-level networking is borked.
1890 [16:57:36] <plantroon> I'll just blame this memory leak on Mr. Poettering then :D I never liked systemd, dbus and all this weird stuff
1891 [16:57:44] <t3st3r> blackflow> hmm? systemctl restart systemd-journald seems to work
1892 [16:57:59] <blackflow> t3st3r: yes it does now observe it stopped logging.
1893 [16:58:05] <petn-randall> sk_tandt: It ping-pongs between 94.135.170.189 and 94.135.170.190 until the network TTL is exceeded.
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1895 [16:58:07] <blackflow> s/does now/does, but now/
1896 [16:58:10] <t3st3r> and I'm curious if there is memory dump, just to see what could take 4Gb.
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1899 [16:58:24] <petn-randall> plantroon: Feel free to use sysv init. Trusty, rusty, and from the 70s.
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1901 [16:58:37] <blackflow> t3st3r: replaced-url
1902 [16:58:39] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1903 [16:58:48] <sk_tandt> petn-randall, the DNS provides a 10.19.xxx.xxx IP, which only members of the VPN access
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1906 [16:59:10] <sk_tandt> Yes, mad company policies
1907 [16:59:11] <blackflow> says fixed but.... I still see problems when journald restarts....
1908 [16:59:19] <petn-randall> sk_tandt: Then your setup is still broken, since that's what is globally reachable.
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1911 [17:00:07] <greycat> well, stretch doesn't *have* systemd v233 so....
1912 [17:00:07] <blackflow> plantroon: systemd is developed by many people, not just LP.
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1914 [17:00:18] <plantroon> blackflow: what is the point of journald when I use syslog-ng anyway. It's just useless iml
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1918 [17:00:33] <blackflow> greycat: I see it in 237 in 'buntu as well.
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1921 [17:00:41] <blackflow> have yet to check buster
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1923 [17:00:53] <Tenkawa> petn-randall: stop that heehee
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1925 [17:01:07] <Tenkawa> er asleep
1926 [17:01:14] <sk_tandt> petn-randall, afraid I'm not following: aside from editing /etc/hosts, no way to have a point of a VPN network act as a repo?
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1928 [17:01:22] <blackflow> plantroon: I treat it as as short (100M) in-memory (volatile) buffer that I can search with nice functions, before it's forwarded to syslog for permanent storage
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1930 [17:01:46] <blackflow> plantroon: it's -b, --since, --until and other filters are indispensable and superior to anything grep or awk could do
1931 [17:01:50] <blackflow> *its
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1933 [17:02:52] <plantroon> that could be useful, I see
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1935 [17:03:20] <blackflow> plantroon: I'm also considering dumping syslog for good, and centralize everything through journald, even remoting
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1939 [17:04:22] <petn-randall> sk_tandt: run `mtr -t deb.tetsistemi.tech` from outside, and you'll understand what I mean. The domain resolves on the internet, and causes a routing loop.
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1941 [17:04:34] <plantroon> blackflow: I explored some options on using journald exclusively not that long ago... didnt like them/couldnt do everything. But I once had a test setup where I converted Debian to fully utilize systemd-everything xD
1942 [17:04:42] <Tenkawa> brb
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1951 [17:08:52] <t3st3r> plantroon> speaking for myself I still do like systemd being a central management point of system, something that others failed.
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1954 [17:09:35] <plantroon> t3st3r: I like the idea too, but the tools could be better designed.
1955 [17:09:52] <blackflow> yeah, the implementation sucks.
1956 [17:10:14] <thms> when I use dpkg -L, I get for exemple "./" or "/etc" --- so if I want to tar all files.. it'll tar / or /etc fully.. how can I avoid that ?
1957 [17:10:31] <t3st3r> Maybe, but we are yet to see these tools. I wouldn't readily name such tools for any OS. Are there any?
1958 [17:10:37] <thms> apt-file doesn't have this problems.. only gives the files in the dpkg.. but not what I want either
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1960 [17:11:00] <greycat> thms: you could, like, ignore the first line
1961 [17:11:16] <greycat> but why in the bloody hell would you be trying to feed the output of dpkg -L to tar?
1962 [17:11:17] <t3st3r> Guess it takes time to get it right, iron out conecptions and approaches, get rid of rough edges and more or less stabilize things.
1963 [17:11:30] <blackflow> as always.
1964 [17:11:32] <thms> greycat, not sure.. :=)
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1966 [17:12:02] <thms> I'm just going to use apt-file and won't notice it. just wondered if there was a dpkg way
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1968 [17:12:14] <greycat> A dpkg way *to do what*?!
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1970 [17:13:06] <thms> greycat, well it's called --listfiles and it shows folders too
1971 [17:13:15] <greycat> yes, so what?
1972 [17:13:18] <thms> greycat, list all files installed by a certain package
1973 [17:13:33] <greycat> and you don't want to see the directories because they are against your religion?
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1975 [17:13:36] <greycat> or what?
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1979 [17:14:45] <blackflow> sounds like xy
1980 [17:14:50] <blackflow> !xy
1981 [17:14:50] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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1983 [17:15:21] <greycat> I've explicitly asked at least three times now, and he STILL won't reveal the goal, so clearly this is going nowhere. *plonk*
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1987 [17:19:00] <jelly> thms: tell tar not do to recursion.
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1989 [17:19:25] <jelly> thms: why would you want to tar all the files from dpkg -L output?
1990 [17:19:49] <blackflow> hey, stand in line! we asked first.
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1994 [17:20:55] <Cork> i'm trying to install from the mini.iso, but it keeps giving me "No kernel modules were found..." anyone know how to get around this?
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1997 [17:21:25] <jelly> Cork: precisely where did you find that mini.iso, URL please?
1998 [17:21:56] <Cork> i've tried it from replaced-url
1999 [17:22:03] <Cork> get the same problem from both
2000 [17:22:10] <jelly> so you're doing netboot?
2001 [17:22:15] <Cork> yes
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2003 [17:22:24] <jelly> which kernel and initrd are you using?
2004 [17:23:05] <Cork> i just picking the expert install menu option and then stretch
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2007 [17:23:47] <jelly> uh, why would you use sid images to install stretch?
2008 [17:24:06] <Ede|Popede> thms: whatever your plans are for these files, ignore the directories. unless they are clearly part of that package's tree. /etc isn't listed only for base-files. and if you know what kind of file it is there's still `file`
2009 [17:24:43] <Ede|Popede> s/you know/you want to know/
2010 [17:24:56] <Cork> jelly: ah, didn't think it would matter as there is an option in the installer
2011 [17:26:22] <aleph-> So question trying to build a debian package with my revision as "1.31.1-1.debian9" however dpkg-source then throws the error "dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (native)': native package version may not have a revision". So how exactly should I be structuring my revision number?
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2017 [17:29:26] <jelly> aleph-: don't make your package native, or don't put -anything in the version, just 1.31.1
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2024 [17:31:17] <jelly> aleph-: replaced-url
2025 [17:31:38] <aleph-> Thanks jelly
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2032 [17:34:56] <thms> jelly, disable recursion, thanks :). Well not enable it
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2043 [17:40:59] <aleph-> jelly: So new question, is there any way no matter how hacky to build stuff via native with that schema? Our CI process emits binaries so we we package native, no source tarballs so we're not using quilt.
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2046 [17:41:44] <jelly> thms: GNU tar enables recursion into directories by default.
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2048 [17:42:51] <DoomPatrol> jelly: silly question, how the heck do you get tar to not include dirs of files, i thought it was using "-C" but i still get, "/path/to/files/foo.txt", rather than just "foo.txt"
2049 [17:42:52] <jelly> aleph-: then you're lying about your debian/source/format being 3, make it 1.0 I guess
2050 [17:42:59] <HD|Laptop> assuming I have a bridge br0, an ethernet interface eth0, and a tap interface tap0 (belonging to a kvm vm), bridged together: what could cause that DHCP packets originating from tap0 show up in "tcpdump -i tap0" and "tcpdump -i br0", but NOT in "tcpdump -i eth0"?
2051 [17:43:06] * DoomPatrol regoogles for randomness
2052 [17:43:16] <jelly> DoomPatrol: that's a RTFM :-)
2053 [17:43:20] <DoomPatrol> indeed ;D
2054 [17:43:25] <HD|Laptop> to expand, the bridge and tap interfaces are created by openstack's neutron which may or may not mess around with iptables/ebtables.
2055 [17:43:34] <HD|Laptop> How do I debug this? ebtables -L shows no rules
2056 [17:43:43] <DoomPatrol> oye neutron
2057 [17:44:11] <DoomPatrol> HD|Laptop: i suggest reading the neutron docs, it's a complex system to say the least
2058 [17:44:50] <HD|Laptop> DoomPatrol: doesn't make it better that I had to hack neutron's source code to hard-disable ebtables as it created invalid ebtables commands :'D
2059 [17:44:52] <DoomPatrol> don't think in terms of "oh this is a network port" but more so, "this is a /virtual switch/"
2060 [17:45:05] <HD|Laptop> i use linuxbridge with no additional modules, port security etc
2061 [17:45:08] <HD|Laptop> as i don't need any of it
2062 [17:45:14] <DoomPatrol> HD|Laptop: oye, sadly it's something i'd not want you to do but tis expected ;(
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2064 [17:45:40] * DoomPatrol worked for a large cloud provider and neutron was a learning curve
2065 [17:45:52] <HD|Laptop> DoomPatrol: :D but in the end, neutron just uses standard linux stuff under the hoods
2066 [17:46:04] <DoomPatrol> it does however the overlay is where it gets complicated
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2068 [17:46:21] <HD|Laptop> DoomPatrol: no overlays/vlan/vxlan at play here :)
2069 [17:46:24] <HD|Laptop> my assumption was that maybe network namespaces played a role, but "ip netns list" shows nothing
2070 [17:47:05] <DoomPatrol> oic, uh, hrm, now you have muh rusty gears moving
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2072 [17:47:37] <HD|Laptop> at least I finally found someone who has actually *used* that stuff, lol. Been trying for three days to find someone with experience
2073 [17:48:00] <Ede|Popede> ,file gfvsd-metadata
2074 [17:48:05] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
2075 [17:48:15] <aleph-> jelly: So I'm not calling dpkg-source directly, anyway I can pass --format=1.0 to dpkg-buildpackage?
2076 [17:48:24] <aleph-> Didn't see anything in --help for it.
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2079 [17:49:20] <DoomPatrol> HD|Laptop: yeah, sadly at $work we tried to run openstack and used the deprecated method that didn't use neutron
2080 [17:49:28] <aleph-> jelly: Nevermind, figured it out.
2081 [17:49:37] <DoomPatrol> let's just say i'm glad that burned down when the hypervisor fell over (and the controllers were running on it ...)
2082 [17:49:43] <HD|Laptop> :D
2083 [17:50:23] <greycat> For the love of god, why is packages.debian.org/foobar not just going directly to the foobar package....
2084 [17:50:41] <HD|Laptop> DoomPatrol: I put iptables -L, ebtables -L etc on replaced-url
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2088 [17:50:54] <Ede|Popede> how can this file not exist? oO
2089 [17:51:08] <HD|Laptop> we're talking about brq4f7dff0f-c1 and friends, br0 is the main system uplink
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2095 [17:52:40] <HD|Laptop> for my half-experienced eyes, it looks like $something prevents packets from passing from brq4f7dff0f-c1 to vlan2749
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2099 [17:54:22] <ozars> hello. i started having issues with firefox audio on buster. is there anyone who could help me troubleshoot the issue?
2100 [17:55:49] <ozars> got it answered on another channel tx.
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2103 [17:57:37] <HD|Laptop> DoomPatrol: managed to fix it, at least hacky ;D
2104 [17:57:40] <HD|Laptop> echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/bridge/bridge-nf-call-iptables
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2106 [17:57:42] <DoomPatrol> HD|Laptop: iptables -vnL (-v adds packet counters to see if they are increasing, e.g. it's a simple method to verify rules being processed)
2107 [17:57:54] <DoomPatrol> HD|Laptop: lol! well then glad you got it figured out
2108 [17:58:29] <HD|Laptop> that cant be a permanent solution however, I mean usually neutron install guide says to *enable* iptables
2109 [17:58:41] <HD|Laptop> but ah well, at least it works now
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2115 [18:00:31] <DoomPatrol> HD|Laptop: this is out of my exp, you're using docker eh? (i was using KVM/XEN)
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2117 [18:02:26] <HD|Laptop> DoomPatrol: KVM actually, but the hosts themselves also run docker
2118 [18:02:38] <HD|Laptop> openstack is just another guest on them
2119 [18:02:45] <Ede|Popede> GVFSD-METADATA(1) <-- why is this in manpage section 1? it isn't even somewhere in root's PATH. so i really have to scan my whole system for that file?
2120 [18:02:56] <DoomPatrol> oic, virtualization-on-virtualization-on-virtualization ;D
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2122 [18:04:14] <HD|Laptop> DoomPatrol: nah, just a couple of old macs and other leftover crap that I'm using for development stuff here
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2125 [18:04:50] <HD|Laptop> thought it'd be worth to invest a bit of time to get openstack running on it, with k8s and others as guests, instead of manual deployments of all kinds of bullshit
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2129 [18:05:44] <DoomPatrol> indeed, good luck learning openstack. it's not hard per se, just somewhat tedious
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2131 [18:06:33] <Time-Warp> has anyone ever thought to them selves, how does apt update it self
2132 [18:06:37] <Time-Warp> root@passwort:/home/f0xy# apt-cache policy apt
2133 [18:06:38] <Time-Warp> apt:
2134 [18:06:40] <Time-Warp> Installed: 1.8.0~rc3
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2136 [18:06:48] <Time-Warp> lol
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2145 [18:09:56] <Ede|Popede> gvfs and usability and userfriendliness. 2 of them 3 go together. it's not even reasonable documented where to find what
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2147 [18:10:23] <greycat> In Unix, programs that are running can be removed or renamed without affecting the running instance.
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2149 [18:10:39] <Ede|Popede> `man -w gvfsd-metadata` -> /usr/share/man/man1/gvfsd-metadata.1.gz ;; `dpkg -S /usr/share/man/man1/gvfsd-metadata.1.gz` -> gvfs-common: /usr/share/man/man1/gvfsd-metadata.1.gz
2150 [18:10:44] <greycat> So, for apt to update itself, it simply removes /usr/bin/apt from the file system, then puts the new version there.
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2152 [18:11:06] <Time-Warp> greycat: prodigious
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2154 [18:11:13] <Ede|Popede> does gvfs or debian try to hied this file from users?
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2158 [18:12:51] <DoomPatrol> Ede|Popede: on arch linux, doing "man gvfsd-metadata", works, so could be debian pkg'ing issue?
2159 [18:13:21] <Ede|Popede> there is no gvfsd-metadata executable in $PATH, there is no package named gvfsd-metadata, there is only a manpage in *another* package
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2161 [18:13:53] <Ede|Popede> DoomPatrol: yeah, works. manpage is there. but that's all. it's just hidden. wherever they've put it.
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2163 [18:14:12] <Ede|Popede> and it doesn't seem to run atm so i have no idea where it may be
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2165 [18:14:36] <DoomPatrol> heh, yeah no binary here either
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2168 [18:14:47] <Ede|Popede> and the manpage only mentions some file in $HOME in its FILE section.
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2171 [18:15:09] <HD|Laptop> DoomPatrol: yeah, the most tedious thing tends to be the config files imho. i dont really get why one has to put, for example, the configs for neutron access also in nova.conf... and the lack of a frequented IRC support channel
2172 [18:15:25] <Ede|Popede> and i lost about an hour no by hunting this file. no, i don't have anything to do -.-
2173 [18:15:28] <HD|Laptop> #openstack has a *lot* of users but next to 0 activity
2174 [18:15:45] <DoomPatrol> HD|Laptop: put it like this, i worked at the place that developed it, by no means did we run "vanilla" openstack
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2176 [18:16:12] <HD|Laptop> DoomPatrol: dogfood or fossilized?
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2181 [18:17:01] <HD|Laptop> dogfood = bleeding edge, fossilized = like running debian oldstable ;)=
2182 [18:17:20] <DoomPatrol> oh it was bleeding edge
2183 [18:17:36] <DoomPatrol> the only product that was "stable" was Atlas, (cloud load balancers)
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2201 [18:23:28] <HD|Laptop> DoomPatrol: sounds like a lot of fun, and closely involved developers :D
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2207 [18:26:07] <DoomPatrol> HD|Laptop: mm, yes/no. one dev team had, "i don't always test my code but when i do, i test it in prod". not as fun when you have hundreds of customers yelling at ya, :|
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2211 [18:29:30] <Ede|Popede> !botlist
2212 [18:29:34] <Ede|Popede> .botlist
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2224 [18:35:23] <Ede|Popede> is there at least a page on debian.org where i could insert a filename and get a list of packages?
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2233 [18:38:50] <jelly> Ede|Popede: packages.debian.org ? What are you trying to do?
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2238 [18:39:25] <Ede|Popede> i try to find out why this gvfs-thing isn't running as usual and where even the file is. or from what package
2239 [18:39:33] <Ede|Popede> for 3 hours now.
2240 [18:39:34] <jelly> which file?
2241 [18:39:46] <Ede|Popede> find -xdev -name gvfsd-metadata
2242 [18:39:46] <Ede|Popede> ./usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-metadata
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2245 [18:40:03] <jelly> dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-metadata)
2246 [18:40:03] <dpkg> There is no record of a $(readlink -f /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-metadata) package
2247 [18:40:19] <Ede|Popede> finally found at least the -xdev option in the manpage. really wouldn't want to check all my data partition too
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2249 [18:40:42] <jelly> also,
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2251 [18:40:52] <jelly> judd: file gvfs-metadata
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2253 [18:40:57] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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2255 [18:41:30] <jelly> hmph!
2256 [18:41:40] <Ede|Popede> that's ridiculous. the manpage is in a completely different package
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2258 [18:42:07] <Ede|Popede> the only way to find the file (and the package it comes from) is really to SEARCH it on disk
2259 [18:42:08] <jhutchins_wk> That would suggest that the file is created when the binary runs, rather than being provided by the package.
2260 [18:42:11] <jelly> I can't possibly comment on Gnome components or their packaging.
2261 [18:42:26] <Ede|Popede> gvfs-daemons: /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-metadata
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2264 [18:43:00] <jelly> Ede|Popede: you can /msg judd file gvfsd-metadata
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2266 [18:43:18] <jelly> (works better without typos)
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2269 [18:44:52] <Ede|Popede> jelly: i did ,v judd. and ,file's dpkg.
2270 [18:45:25] <Ede|Popede> too many bots, too much confusion. which for what? and how?
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2272 [18:46:24] <jelly> !search dpkg
2273 [18:46:25] <dpkg> You can search my database on the web at replaced-url
2274 [18:46:28] <jelly> !judd
2275 [18:46:28] <dpkg> judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See replaced-url
2276 [18:46:28] <greycat> Ede|Popede: judd for all Debian metadata searches (bugs, files, packages), dpkg for factoids.
2277 [18:47:31] <jelly> are factoids like those metametadata? meta²data?
2278 [18:48:15] <greycat> they're more like teeny tiny wiki pages
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2287 [18:51:14] <Ede|Popede> greycat: sounds logic. but ask me next week about it. i even had to check if nautilus is xfce's filemanager, since it was mentioned with gfvs. (and no, it is not. and no, i don't use it nor any other GUI fm. mc 4ever!)
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2299 [19:00:15] <Ede|Popede> hm. saving an image from firefox seems to start it. as a child of `/lib/systemd/systemd --user`
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2301 [19:03:46] <greycat> does /lib/systemd/system/*gvfs* match anything on your system?
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2306 [19:05:39] <Ede|Popede> greycat: no *gvfs* in /lib/systemd
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2309 [19:06:37] <SerajewelKS> it would be under /lib/systemd/user i think
2310 [19:07:09] <Ede|Popede> i don't even have user Oo
2311 [19:07:25] <SerajewelKS> ah, /usr/lib
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2313 [19:07:37] <SerajewelKS> look for /usr/lib/systemd/user/gvfs-*.service
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2315 [19:07:57] <Ede|Popede> ah, here they are :)
2316 [19:08:04] <greycat> so half of this shit is in /lib and the other half is in /usr/lib ?!
2317 [19:08:09] <FinalX> no
2318 [19:08:12] <greycat> whose idea was THIS
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2320 [19:08:17] <FinalX> a third is in /lib, a third is in /usr/lib and a third is in /etc
2321 [19:08:22] <FinalX> just to make you cringe even more
2322 [19:08:28] <greycat> well, /etc is local overrides, and there's precedent for that
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2324 [19:08:33] <FinalX> yeah, ok :p
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2326 [19:09:17] <SerajewelKS> it appears that /lib has system units and /usr/lib has user units
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2328 [19:09:39] <tsglove> Hello. I want to buy a video card. What should I look for to make sure it's supported by Debian9?
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2330 [19:09:49] <SerajewelKS> e.g. i don't have /lib/systemd/user, nor do i have /usr/lib/systemd/system
2331 [19:09:57] <greycat> but they're already separated using .../system/ and .../user/ subdirs, so why the whole file system separation?
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2333 [19:10:01] <FinalX> ^
2334 [19:10:05] * SerajewelKS shrugs
2335 [19:10:19] <SerajewelKS> reasons?
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2341 [19:11:30] <Ede|Popede> greycat, and i have a bonus: the files are in gvfs, the manpage in gvfs-common
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2345 [19:12:23] <Ede|Popede> and the manpage was the only hint proving its existence before i used `find`
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2348 [19:13:54] <greycat> I still don't know what your actual question is. At some point you were wondering how this "thing" got executed, so I suggested looking for its systemd unit files.
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2352 [19:14:10] <greycat> You've also been talking about some kind of "file", but I have no context for what this means.
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2363 [19:22:17] <Ede|Popede> greycat: because it is a long story here. metadata is one of my old enemies on the system, ibus wasn't a thing at all before stretch. metadata gets restarted *somehow* everytime i had to kill it, never had an idea what does this or what is it even good for at all. "metadata", well. and recently ibus was killed, or maybe only the panel button, no idea.
2364 [19:22:17] <Ede|Popede> ibus itself shows a start time of some hours ago, also here no idea if it was restarted then after the crash or didn't crash at all. all i know is that i don't have the button anymore and can't switch keyboard layout with super+space. and here in hexchat with the input method selection i had to change the method to even insert the LF with C-S-u+<UTF>. but which is a completely different question, only an effect of the crash.
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2368 [19:23:41] <Ede|Popede> so as you see it is a bunch of open questions related to that crash. and in one case gvfs and systemd seem involved somehow. while i have not the slightest idea what it is in the other case.
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2371 [19:25:42] <Ede|Popede> and tbh, i remember that it was easier understanding how linux works than trying to add the recent changes to the stack. gvfs, systemd, and what else just doesn't come to my mind right now.
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2447 [20:08:09] <Schiziot> mount -t proc /proc /mnt/chroot/proc; mount --bind /dev /mnt/chroot/dev; mount --bind /sys /mnt/chroot/sys <-- is this correct for classic chrooting?
2448 [20:09:03] <greycat> /msg dpkg chroot
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2452 [20:10:58] <Schiziot> that factoid mentions ext2 - does that still apply on stretch systems?
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2454 [20:11:17] <Schiziot> with the change from ext2 to ext4, of course
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2514 [20:44:28] <jhutchins_wk> Schiziot: Yes.
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2519 [20:47:36] <plantroon> this is a bad day. I had 3 Debian systems fail today. One was the filesystem on my workstation, then the systemd leak which I wrote here about and now another Xorg freeze on a family machine. None of them can be easily explained and none of them are related to any recent Debian updates.
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2534 [20:54:07] <OerHeks> plantroon, what cve exactly? ( leak )
2535 [20:54:35] <plantroon> a memory leak
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2537 [20:57:23] <karlpinc> plantroon: Regards the file system, smartmontools can be useful for monitoring disk health. Otherwise, never hurts to run memtest86+ for 24 hours just because bad RAM can affect everything. Just suggestions.
2538 [20:58:05] <greycat> Of course it hurts. The computer is down for 24 hours.
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2540 [20:58:12] <plantroon> karlpinc: I ran smartctl long test right after the crash
2541 [20:58:50] <plantroon> didnt see any errors... That's the thing, none of the things that happened make sense. And all of them happened today. All of the systems were running without a problem for 50+ days.
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2544 [20:59:53] <karlpinc> plantroon: Power issues?
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2554 [21:02:05] <plantroon> karlpinc: dunno, I will run memtest overnight.
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2556 [21:02:21] <plantroon> not much more I can do. I'll blame it on solar flares maybe
2557 [21:02:35] <karlpinc> plantroon: I can see how updating libaries and such and not rebooting could lead to issues. Although you'd think the effects would be limited.
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2625 [21:42:23] <kingsley> Which OCR application would you use to read a table of numbers and alphabetic characters?
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2628 [21:42:46] <kingsley> In .png format.
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2646 [21:56:34] <JordiGH> I've decided I've had enough of Firefox ctrl+n and free software is free software, dammit.
2647 [21:56:45] <JordiGH> I'm gonna go and patch the damn thing to make sure it doesn't catch ctrl+n anymore.
2648 [21:56:53] <Plazma> any known issues with apt and http proxies ? i've got my proxy configured for apt and am able to even install a few packages here and there, but many fail with a hash sum mismatch
2649 [21:57:03] <JordiGH> What's the debianest way to do this? I'm gonna download the source package, patch it, and then use quilt to record my patch?
2650 [21:57:05] <Plazma> well apt configured to use the upstream proxy, i mean
2651 [21:57:18] <Plazma> but i fear the proxy is causing some of my grief and i have no control over that
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2653 [21:57:31] <greycat> I use apt(-get) through a local squid proxy all the time. No problems on my side.
2654 [21:57:45] <Plazma> yea it works some of hte time, that's the odd part
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2658 [21:59:09] <Plazma> hmm maybe it's just git that's failing and things elsewhere are fine
2659 [21:59:10] <greycat> A misbehaving proxy would definitely cause problems, but you'd need admin access to the proxy (or at least its logs) to get details.
2660 [21:59:35] <Plazma> greycat sadly this proxy is a corporate one i have no control over,
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2662 [22:00:11] <greycat> It can *also* be a misbehaving mirror.
2663 [22:01:04] <Plazma> well i'm using a variety of mirrors and tried a few and was using the defaults
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2674 [22:10:14] <t3st3r> Plazma> try disabling pipelining maybe? It sometimes does something strange with some proxies.
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2680 [22:12:08] <Plazma> t3st3r worth a shot thanks
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2784 [23:20:01] <JordiGH> How do I skip tests when building a package?
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2790 [23:25:13] <ChmEarl> JordiGH, use an empty override_dh_auto_test
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2792 [23:25:35] <ChmEarl> JordiGH, or man dh_auto_test
2793 [23:25:52] <somiaj> JordiGH: You may want to ask in #packaging on irc.oftc.net. I don't know if dbuild/dpkg-buildpackage has a flag for this or if you have to modify the debian/ dir and remove the tests, one such way seems to be as ChmEarl suggests.
2794 [23:26:04] <JordiGH> There was some envvar with "nocheck" in it.
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2796 [23:26:28] <JordiGH> Aha, DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck
2797 [23:26:33] <kevinnn> hi all, for some reason the following is running in the background on my debian machine and I can't figure out how to kill it
2798 [23:26:37] <kevinnn> apt-config shell ARCHIVE_KEYRING APT::Key::ArchiveKeyring
2799 [23:26:43] <kevinnn> it keeps re-spawning
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2802 [23:26:52] <JordiGH> Let's see how long it takes to build Firefox.
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2806 [23:28:14] <Ingvix> hey, can I change file picker firefox uses for example selecting file to upload etc
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2822 [23:33:12] <JordiGH> Ingvix: It used to be that it would pick the GTK+ or Qt file picker depending on the environment.
2823 [23:33:20] <JordiGH> I don't even know what Firefox does anymore.
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2827 [23:34:46] <Ingvix> I quite dislike the present one. There doesn't even seem to be any ui.allow_platform_file_picker option in about.config anymore
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2830 [23:35:27] <Ingvix> JordiGH, what browser do you use?
2831 [23:35:32] <JordiGH> Firefox.
2832 [23:35:47] <Ingvix> oh, alright
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2846 [23:49:07] <SerajewelKS> when your mirror updated its package lists but not the packages themselves -_-
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2863 [23:57:43] <k-man> my ssh service is failing to start but journalctl isn't giving me any helpful error messages
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2865 [23:58:24] <k-man> hmm.. no it's actually running, but systemd thinks it isn't
2866 [23:58:58] <k-man> replaced-url
2867 [23:59:04] <k-man> any ideas?
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