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• 1[00:00:26] <jim> ok, then you can alter sources.list, and then do the dist-upgrade. tip: if you don't have time to watch the upgrade, you can just get the package files, like this: apt -d dist-upgrade, then when you -do- have time, you can run it again without the -d
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• 5[00:01:33] <jim> bmomjian, and just so you know, backups are good here :)
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• 8[00:03:54] <bmomjian> I have nightly backups to a second drive, a drive in a fire safe, and one in the bank.
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• 10[00:04:19] <bmomjian> I am doing the recommended apt-get upgrade and then apt-get dist-upgrade
• 11[00:04:23] <jim> very good :) seems you're all set then :)
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• 15[00:05:45] <jmcnaught> jim: some daemons support reloading their configuration without completely restarting, but logind doesn't. I'm pretty sure restarting it is harmless.
• 16[00:05:52] <jim> I wonder, what effect does apt upgrade then apt dist-upgrade have?
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• 18[00:06:30] <jim> jmcnaught, oh ok, thanks for the extra details :)
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• 21[00:07:41] <dmar198> I'm trying to ssh into my raspberry pi over the internet. I've got port forwarding set up, and yet, when I type in ssh [username]@[myipaddress:port], I get an error message. How can I find out what I'm doing wrong?
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• 24[00:08:16] <jim> dmar198, it would be good to know which error message you get :)
• 25[00:08:20] <format_c> dmar198: reading the error message and think about it
• 26[00:08:35] <dmar198> Could not resolve hostname...Name or service not found
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• 28[00:08:48] <bmomjian> jim: I have no idea why two steps are commended, but the text is "In some cases, doing the full upgrade (as described below) directly might remove large numbers of packages that you will want to keep. We therefore recommend a two-part upgrade process: " replaced-url
• 29[00:08:59] <bmomjian> I just do what I am told. ;-)
• 30[00:09:05] <format_c> dmar198: so now read and think
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• 33[00:10:12] <jim> bmomjian, oh, ok, that makes more sense now. thanks
• 34[00:10:17] <dmar198> format_c: I infer that my terminal doesn't recognize my ip address. Does it only try to connect to ip addresses it recognizes?
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• 36[00:11:30] <format_c> "Could not resolve hostname" doesn't suggest that you enter a IP address rather than a DNS name that's not resolvable.
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• 38[00:13:00] <dmar198> is there a better way I should be doing this?
• 39[00:13:39] <format_c> What's the command you try to execute?
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• 41[00:13:56] <jim> dmar198, ok, could be your net is down, or just your dns resolving...
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• 44[00:15:19] <dmar198> jim, I am trying to use it over the same network that I am currently accessing IRC on, and I think that means my net is up. Can I do something to make my dns resolver recognize my ip address?
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• 47[00:16:01] <format_c> dmar198: unfortunately it's not that easy
• 48[00:16:16] <format_c> so again : What's the command you try to execute?
• 49[00:16:42] <dmar198> ssh [username]@[myipaddress:port]
• 50[00:17:22] <n4dir> i dont think you tell ssh the port that way. and if it is default, you don't have to tell it at all
• 51[00:17:46] <format_c> port need to be specified by -p
• 52[00:18:08] <format_c> so `ssh -p$port $user@$hostname`
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• 55[00:19:08] <format_c> But I still think you're not telling the whole truth
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• 57[00:19:32] <dmar198> well that did give me some progress, I typed that in with my port number and I got "connection refused"
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• 59[00:20:03] <format_c> OK but now the message is different.
• 60[00:20:06] <dmar198> connect to host [my ipaddress] port [someportnumber]: Connection refused
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• 63[00:20:41] <dmar198> however, the port number I specified is different from the port in "[someportnumber]" in the error message
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• 66[00:21:06] <format_c> So that means that now, you're launching the command correctly but the $port at $host isn't allowed / listening or forwarded.
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• 68[00:22:43] <dmar198> ok, so I just went into my router, checked the "Forwarding" tab, and the port I typed in is set to forward to the internal ip address of my pi
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• 70[00:23:26] <format_c> Is the $port you're forwarding to your $pi listening?
• 71[00:23:38] <dmar198> I don't know, how can I check?
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• 73[00:24:09] <format_c> on your pi: exec: `netstat -tlnp | grep $port`
• 74[00:24:45] <n4dir> both are in the LAN?
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• 76[00:25:23] <dmar198> format_c: I see three lines of text, and each of them has the word "listen" at the far right end
• 77[00:25:43] <dmar198> e.g. `tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:[someportnumber] 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
• 78[00:26:04] <dmar198> and two others, but with other numbers in place of 0.0.0.0.0
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• 81[00:27:27] <dmar198> n4dir: were you asking me? If so, both the device I'm trying to connect to and the device I'm trying to access it from are on the same lan
• 82[00:27:40] <n4dir> then the router isn't involved.
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• 84[00:28:20] <dmar198> does that mean I can't connect to my pi over the internet if I'm connected to the same router it's connected to?
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• 87[00:28:44] <n4dir> not sure you can, i would guess so, but what would be the advantage?
• 88[00:29:04] <dmar198> I wanted to make sure I could do it before I go to a remote place and try
• 89[00:29:15] <n4dir> ah, i see. i didn't say anything then.
• 90[00:29:43] <dmar198> np thank you for your suggestion
• 91[00:30:06] <dmar198> any thoughts on the 3 lines of text with the word "listen" at the end of each?
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• 94[00:30:55] <format_c> OK when you're continuing wriging in riddles we won't be able to help
• 95[00:31:16] <dmar198> I'm sorry format_c, I'm not trying to write in riddles, but a lot of this is new to me
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• 98[00:31:45] <dmar198> what information can I give you that would be helpful?
• 99[00:32:08] <n4dir> so i assume you can ssh over the LAN. I would assume in that case either you made the wrong settings in the router or you use the wrong port when doing ssh -p
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• 101[00:32:39] <dmar198> ok, that makes sense. Let me ensure I am understanding the term lan correctly: a bunch of devices all on the same router are all on the same lan, right?
• 102[00:32:56] <n4dir> thats what i meant (not that good with the proper terms myself
• 103[00:32:59] <dmar198> if so, yes, I can ssh over the router
• 104[00:33:45] <format_c> You try to obfuscate to keep your anonymity
• 105[00:33:59] <dmar198> I am logged into the router and can tell you any settings you need to know, though I am trying not to reveal exactly what my ip address is and what port number I'm trying to connect to
• 106[00:34:27] <format_c> but the port or IP on which your PI is listening to in your internal network (LAN) doesn't have any meaning for anybody else on the Internet.
• 107[00:34:44] <dmar198> ok then let me retype it without the masking
• 108[00:35:16] <format_c> Except we're talking about IPv6 but then NAT wouldn't be of concern
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• 110[00:35:51] <dmar198> in my router, I see this in the forwarding tab: `Service port: 8333 | Internal port: 8333 | IP address: 162.168.1.20 | Protocol: TCP | Status: Enabled`
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• 112[00:36:33] <dmar198> In my client list, I see my raspberry pi with this info next to it: "192.168.1.20 | Permanent"
• 113[00:36:56] <format_c> and the output of `netstat -tlnp | grep 8333` on your host with IP 192.168.1.20?
• 114[00:37:12] <dmar198> (the 192.168.1.20 is marked as "assigned ip" btw)
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• 116[00:37:31] <dmar198> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8333 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
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• 118[00:37:41] <dmar198> tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:28333 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
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• 120[00:37:48] <dmar198> tcp6 0 0 :::8333 :::* LISTEN
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• 124[00:39:33] <format_c> and the command you're issued `ssh -p8333 user@$publicip` from a host outside (I<nternet) your network?
• 125[00:39:59] <dmar198> I've only tried issuing that command from inside my network
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• 127[00:40:18] <dmar198> would that make a difference? I was hoping to get it to work here at home and then I could go elsewhere and try it
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• 129[00:41:37] <n4dir> i'm quite sure there are websites which will allow you to scan if a given port is open or not (you get a way to check it from outside by that)
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• 133[00:42:41] <dmar198> I typed the above command but my pi appears to have frozen, it's not responding to my commands now
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• 137[00:43:34] <n4dir> if it rains it pours.
• 138[00:43:50] <dmar198> I think I got it to work now, thank you so much both of you!
• 139[00:44:08] <dmar198> the problem before was that, when I typed in the port number as part of the last command, I started it with a dollar sign
• 140[00:44:24] <dmar198> by getting rid of that dollar sign, the world seems brighter and bluer
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• 155[00:58:54] <bmomjian> I am confused by a message during apt-get dist-upgrade. it says nvidia-graphics-drivers 'experimental' should now use this release with GForce 8XXX, which is what I have. Instead use nvidia-legacy-340XX-driver and kernel. Does this mean I have an experimental driver installed?
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• 157[00:59:07] <bmomjian> Sorry, dist-upgrade to Stretch.
• 158[00:59:23] <bmomjian> "should _not_ use this release"
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• 180[01:13:09] <bmomjian> Got my answer --- a big popup later explains I need a different driver.
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• 201[01:31:06] <M6HZ> Hello, isn't it a possible issue to let /etc/machine-id readable to everybody?
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• 225[01:46:59] <rant> M6HZ: freedesktop seems to think so. I think its ridiculous to even have such a thing personally
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• 228[01:48:42] <M6HZ> rant: Hey rant, good to see you ;)
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• 230[01:49:26] <M6HZ> rant: Well, I'm reading here and there that it's supposed to be "secret information". If it's secret why is it open to everybody?
• 231[01:51:46] <mawk> where did you read that ?
• 232[01:52:19] <M6HZ> mawk: on #systemd for instance
• 233[01:52:28] <M6HZ> mawk: [17:12] <grawity> it's considered private info, much like a MAC address, due to uniquely identifying a device"
• 234[01:52:49] <mawk> ah
• 235[01:52:53] <mawk> well private to your own computer
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• 237[01:53:02] <mawk> you don't want the internet to know it, but otherwise it's fine
• 238[01:53:14] <mawk> every program on your computer can read the MAC address for instance
• 239[01:53:34] <mawk> you just have to open be able to open a socket, and you can get the mac address
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• 243[01:55:43] <M6HZ> mawk: Well, that's true. Isn't it a possible issue too?
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• 246[01:56:38] <mawk> if a malicious program is running on your computer without any kind of isolation you have bigger problems than an exposed MAC address
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• 250[01:59:08] <M6HZ> mawk: That's assuming that the programs you're running are fair, but that's because it's wrong that we have all the mechanisms present in the kernel, like virtual memory for example. I think that unless given privileged permissions, a malicious program should not be threat.
• 251[01:59:34] <mawk> indeed M6HZ
• 252[01:59:43] <mawk> but reading the machine-id isn't a privileged operation by default
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• 254[01:59:48] <mawk> nor is reading the MAC address
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• 256[02:00:04] <M6HZ> Correct, my point is: why is that?
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• 259[02:00:16] <mawk> but also reading the config files isn't a privileged operations, nor is reading some logs, nor is accessing the home directory on debian, etc
• 260[02:00:38] <mawk> I'm not sure but I think it's what I said, you don't expect local programs to be malicious
• 261[02:00:46] <mawk> in the same way you don't expect LAN computers to be malicious
• 262[02:00:54] <mawk> so you generally trust LAN, you generally trust local programs
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• 264[02:01:01] <mawk> in a reasonable extent
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• 271[02:02:50] <oiaohm> M6HZ: there are some parts of machine id that cannot be made that secret like CPUID cannot be secret to applications running on system because due to cpu defects at times programs need to know that so they can change code.
• 272[02:03:12] <oiaohm> M6HZ: MAC address is a little different if you read the standard that covers it spoofing has always been allowed.
• 273[02:03:20] <mawk> can't you block the CPUID instruction to ring 3 oiaohm ?
• 274[02:03:29] <mawk> in the same way that you can block RDTSC/RDTSCP
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• 278[02:04:14] <oiaohm> mawk: replaced-url
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• 280[02:04:28] <oiaohm> Opps Nope
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• 284[02:05:41] <oiaohm> M6HZ: there is a system with MAC to issue globely unique ids that can id maker and so on by the mac address but then the standard states clearly that you are allowed to spoof the hell out of a mac address with what ever random crap you like.
• 285[02:05:53] <oiaohm> This does cause a problem for VPNs.
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• 287[02:06:20] <mawk> isn't it specific to virtualization extensions ?
• 288[02:06:24] <oiaohm> To be correct layer 2 vpn. The standard really only allows for 5km of cable when spoofing to make sure you have not duplicated.
• 289[02:06:46] <mawk> the cpuid issue
• 290[02:06:55] <oiaohm> mawk: its possible to spoof CPUID but you must always provide one to ring 3.
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• 294[02:07:12] <oiaohm> mawk: or programs break.
• 295[02:07:19] <mawk> yeah when virtualizing
• 296[02:07:46] <mawk> but programs can get it through /proc or something anyway no ?
• 297[02:07:56] <mawk> they're not obligated to directly use the processor instruction
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• 299[02:08:26] <oiaohm> Problem is the /proc and other methods of getting cpuid is not what like glibc uses.
• 300[02:08:29] <M6HZ> oiaohm: I know that MAC addresses like all other IDs are "spoofable", but why are they readable by any program without special permissions?
• 301[02:09:32] <mawk> I see
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• 303[02:10:16] <mawk> you have a ton of ways of figuring it out if you're an attacker M6HZ
• 304[02:10:26] <mawk> it makes little sense to block the one canonical way
• 305[02:11:29] <M6HZ> mawk: Only because there are many possible ways to break a lock would mean that you don't need any?
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• 307[02:11:56] <mawk> you can scoop out the ocean with a spoon
• 308[02:11:59] <mawk> you can't*
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• 310[02:12:25] <mawk> also it is just public information for your LAN, in addition of being easily obtainable
• 311[02:12:31] <mawk> it's not a cryptographic secret, it is an address
• 312[02:12:35] <mawk> an identifier for your computer
• 313[02:12:37] <oiaohm> M6HZ: with MAC some cases you may in fact need the MAC value.
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• 315[02:12:55] <oiaohm> M6HZ: it is possible to have two network cards in a system with the same IP address.
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• 317[02:12:59] <M6HZ> mawk: outside of your network, it is supposed to be private information.
• 318[02:13:04] <mawk> outside of the LAN yes
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• 320[02:13:15] <mawk> but if even inside of the LAN it's public info, then on the computer itself it's even more public
• 321[02:13:45] <oiaohm> Also programs directly making layer 2 packets need the mac address to use.
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• 323[02:14:13] <oiaohm> It would be in theory possible to spoof MAC as like all 00 to most applications
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• 325[02:14:23] <mawk> but these ones are root
• 326[02:14:30] <mawk> or may have the correct cap yeah
• 327[02:14:31] <M6HZ> mawk: Writing raw packets requires privileged permissions as far as I know.
• 328[02:14:41] <mawk> yes
• 329[02:14:42] <oiaohm> as applications using pure layer 3 really don't need layer 2 stuff.
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• 331[02:14:55] <mawk> you need CAP_NET_RAW
• 332[02:15:06] <oiaohm> Yep
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• 334[02:15:57] <oiaohm> MAC address is something that could be filtered. But it would be spoof.
• 335[02:16:17] <oiaohm> So you don't break existing programs.
• 336[02:17:10] <mawk> you'd have to patch a lot of places
• 337[02:17:41] <oiaohm> M6HZ: big catch here when networking was design the idea of Internet did not exist. So it was fairly much LAN and business own WAN.
• 338[02:18:01] <oiaohm> we have left overs that we really need to revisit on security.
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• 340[02:18:57] <M6HZ> oiaohm: I agree, this looks like bad policy to me.
• 341[02:19:04] <mawk> the rtnl interface, the /sys/class/net/$IFACE/address entry, the getifaddrs() syscall
• 342[02:19:06] <mawk> and maybe others
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• 344[02:19:27] <oiaohm> mawk: the /sys stuff could be blocked with permissions.
• 345[02:19:48] <mawk> yeah
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• 347[02:21:33] <oiaohm> You would have to deal with the bpf side as well inside the kernel.
• 348[02:22:00] <oiaohm> It would not be too many changes to make MAC address secret to most applications.
• 349[02:22:37] <oiaohm> Of course doing it would require someone putting in the time.
• 350[02:23:19] <mawk> you would restrict showing the MAC to CAP_NET_RAW bearers
• 351[02:23:34] <mawk> but I wonder if other programs are using the MAC for other purposes
• 352[02:23:38] <mawk> maybe you'd have to spoof it like you said
• 353[02:24:05] <oiaohm> You would have to spoof you have closed source programs collecting like MAC address for Digital rights management.
• 354[02:24:28] <oiaohm> Yes there is some Linux closed source applciations out there like maya3d that do this.
• 355[02:24:28] <mawk> I see
• 356[02:24:37] <mawk> they deserve to crash
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• 358[02:25:06] <oiaohm> Also it to obey the Linus rule do not break userspace.
• 359[02:25:21] <oiaohm> spoofing so applications get something does not infact break them.
• 360[02:26:07] <oiaohm> If it breaks the application that application really did not support the layer2 standards in the first place. Yes mac spoofing is part of the layer 2 standard.
• 361[02:26:44] <oiaohm> The layer2 standards were written in 1991 and are fairly good its just implementing them in the best secure ways.
• 362[02:27:16] <mawk> I'm about to write my first kernel contribution
• 363[02:27:35] <mawk> I'm fixing a driver for IEEE 802.15.4 driver
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• 365[02:31:01] <M6HZ> mawk: good luck with that.
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• 371[02:33:47] <bmomjian> My Jessie to Stretch upgrade worked, but no there no X11 on the console.
• 372[02:33:59] <bmomjian> Just black screen with OK...start messages
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• 375[02:38:05] <mawk> thanks M6HZ
• 376[02:38:11] <mawk> I'm writing an article on the subject also
• 377[02:38:28] <mawk> in english online and in french in a paper magazine about linux and embedded computing
• 378[02:38:54] <M6HZ> mawk: make your promo. send a link :)
• 379[02:39:06] <mawk> lol
• 380[02:39:10] <mawk> it's not finished
• 381[02:39:19] <M6HZ> bmomjian: Do you have access to a shell ?
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• 383[02:40:45] <bmomjian> Yes, all the virtual terminals work, as does ssh, and I think everything else, e.g. replaced-url
• 384[02:40:57] <bmomjian> So I am not super-stuck, really
• 385[02:41:02] <bmomjian> Just something I have to fix.
• 386[02:41:19] <M6HZ> bmomjian: is startx working ?
• 387[02:41:36] <abrotman> What Xorg driver does your video device use?
• 388[02:41:51] <abrotman> Do you have an explicit xorg.conf ?
• 389[02:41:52] <bmomjian> Since I have a GForce 8400 card, I did as the instructions said: replaced-url
• 390[02:42:25] <abrotman> That's from 2014 ..
• 391[02:42:26] <bmomjian> installed nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver and nvidia-legacy-340xx-kernel-dkms, and nvidia-graphics-drivers is not installed
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• 393[02:42:36] <abrotman> but okay
• 394[02:42:41] <bmomjian> Yeah, kind of old, but this server doesn't do many graphics
• 395[02:42:48] <bmomjian> let me try startx
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• 397[02:44:07] <bmomjian> Here is the startx output: replaced-url
• 398[02:44:28] <bmomjian> Do I need to run startx as root?
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• 401[02:45:36] <bmomjian> Here is startx run as root: replaced-url
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• 403[02:46:36] <bmomjian> Here is the log output from xorg: replaced-url
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• 406[02:49:36] <themill> bmomjian: the log says that you've got the nvidia 390 driver not nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver
• 407[02:50:49] <bmomjian> Yikes
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• 409[02:52:08] <bmomjian> Uh, apt-get install nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver says "nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver is already the newest version (340.106-2~deb9u1)." I can't install a 390 driver. I wonder if it is an update-glx issue and I need to run that to choose 340.
• 410[02:52:18] <bmomjian> I can't figure out how to run update-glx
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• 412[02:53:15] <themill> the output of "aptitude search ~nnvidia~i" might be useful to see
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• 415[02:54:28] <bmomjian> replaced-url
• 416[02:56:06] <bmomjian> Should I run: update-glx --config nvidia?
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• 424[02:59:47] <bmomjian> I did run that and it gave me three options, the selected one was the 390, but one of them was a 340, so I chose that.
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• 426[03:00:13] <bmomjian> Will boot now to test. Frankly, I am more happy my email and website are not broken. In fact, the x11 seems to be the only broken thing.
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• 435[03:04:20] <bmomjian> BINGO! I have X11! Thanks. The 390 got me on the right track.
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• 439[03:08:40] <themill> I imagine you can uninstall many of those packages if you want to tidy up.
• 440[03:08:45] <usney2> rant how do I use kexec?
• 441[03:09:36] <bmomjian> Uh, which ones? I was kind of overwhelmed by the list.
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• 446[03:12:36] <themill> bmomjian: the ones where there is both a foo and foo-340xx-legacy package (or just leave it if it's doing no harm...)
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• 448[03:15:35] <bmomjian> I see a few of those, but not many.
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• 452[03:20:31] <bmomjian> Thanks everyone for the help. I saw a mention of update-glx in the notification screen during the upgrade, and I am proud of myself that I wrote it down. :-)
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• 456[03:22:28] <themill> :)
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• 463[03:27:13] <themill> !qotd
• 464[03:27:13] <dpkg> Quote of the Day. Ask me about <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> for which numbers are used already and <qotdx> for which numbers have been voted as "replaceable". At 300 (2018-03-30).
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• 466[03:27:20] <themill> !qotd0
• 467[03:27:20] <dpkg> <amorphix> bunzip2: linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 is not a bzip2 file <cahoot> amorphix: run 'file linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 ' <amorphix> linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2: HTML document text <liable> you idget <amorphix> liable: I dont have idget <amorphix> is the name right?
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• 475[03:36:06] <themill> !hi
• 476[03:36:06] <dpkg> hello, themill
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• 535[04:52:22] <Juslintek> Hi, I've installed with dpkg -i old per-base, know i always get E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
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• 537[04:53:20] <Juslintek> perl-base_5.14.2-21+deb7u6_amd64.deb
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• 554[05:12:22] <Juslintek> How to downgrade jessie to wheezy without reinstall
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• 560[05:15:54] <jmcnaught> Juslintek: you can't. also there's got to be a better solution to your problem than installing an end of life release of Debian.
• 561[05:16:30] <Juslintek> jmcnaught, well i need perl 5.14
• 562[05:16:54] <Juslintek> And I've upgraded without backup
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• 571[05:21:02] <sveta> Juslintek: use perlbrew to get perl 5.14
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• 574[05:23:09] <oh2eko> Good morning i got a odd issue with my Dell Laitude when running Debian the battery will not charge so i either have to be in Swinedows or in bios to charge it, any suggestions on how to fix that?
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• 576[05:25:58] <epsilon> oh2eko: what does acpi say?
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• 582[05:28:00] <oh2eko> booting now at least i get a ton ofg acpi errors on boot
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• 584[05:29:15] <oh2eko> acpi in terminal says battery 0: Full , 100%
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• 586[05:32:22] <sveta> Juslintek: or run debian wheezy in a vm such as virtualbox
• 587[05:34:40] <Juslintek> sveta, yeah I know, but I fucked it up real bad, here perl is just a dependency for proxmox. I accidentaly upgrade os op proxmox without any backups, I thought I was in a container terminal which I entered via vzctl, but I didn't so I've upgraded with batch commands node os and rebooted and it didn't boot in. And I can't remember access to IDRAC.
• 588[05:35:35] <sveta> do you have any access
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• 591[05:36:41] <Juslintek> I have ssh, but I have no physical access.
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• 593[05:37:03] <Juslintek> and os is not booting or ssh server service is not starting I guess, so I cannot access.
• 594[05:37:15] <sveta> if you have no access I can not help you I am afraid
• 595[05:37:18] <oh2eko> epsilon this is the errors on boot replaced-url
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• 597[05:37:23] <Juslintek> And I can see that I fucked up everything, because containers are not starting as well.
• 598[05:37:27] <sveta> you should ask your host
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• 600[05:38:13] <Juslintek> sveta, yeah he is asleep...
• 601[05:38:18] <Juslintek> So much downtime...
• 602[05:39:55] <Juslintek> But is there a way to downgrade it from jessie, because It automatically got upgraded from wheezy to jessie.
• 603[05:40:24] <Juslintek> And I need to go back. And I don't know if host is keeping backup of node.
• 604[05:40:25] <sveta> you could do something, but only if you have access
• 605[05:40:51] <Juslintek> sveta, I will try to access, can you give me instructions how to downgrade?
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• 607[05:40:58] <sveta> at least you could figure out how to make it boot into the upgraded system
• 608[05:41:10] <sveta> that would allow you to backup your data
• 609[05:41:23] <sveta> then you could use a vm or perlbrew to install the old perl
• 610[05:41:26] <Juslintek> Its Dell something machine it has remote access, but I don
• 611[05:41:37] <Juslintek> 't remember ip I will try all. :-)
• 612[05:42:13] <sveta> i use dyndns, i access computers by hostnames not by ips
• 613[05:42:31] <sveta> good luck with it - may not work if it is not booting
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• 654[06:41:53] <allan_wind> The stable upgrade bricked my laptop, it appears to be related to nvidia-driver. Known issue? I am going through the bugs list now but there are a lot
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• 662[06:49:16] <oh2eko> meh seems battery charging is the least of my worries tried installing nvidia-driver and now i dont have keyboard or mouse :(
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• 664[06:51:16] <themill> allan_wind: by 'bricked' do you just mean that X doesn't start? (or, what is actually happening?)
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• 668[06:55:42] <allan_wind> themill: kernel crashes with BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffff9b30a7cb4880 (among other things) during boot hanging the box
• 669[06:56:03] <nkuttler> boot a different kernel?
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• 671[06:57:08] <allan_wind> nkuttler: if that was for me, I reverted to 4.9.0-5 which I knew worked in the past and still crashes. I ended up upgrading nvidia-driver to unstable version to get my box up running again. It pulls in a lot of changes though.
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• 677[06:59:42] <oh2eko> in my case im just gonna do a fresh install last one was beyond expiry date anywhoms to much clutter and mismatching heh
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• 683[07:08:47] <rant> allan_wind: what kind of machine is this?
• 684[07:09:30] <allan_wind> rant: ThinkPad P51
• 685[07:11:16] <rant> allan_wind: taken it apart lately?
• 686[07:11:42] <allan_wind> rant: no, only change was 9.8 upgrade, and when I pull nvidia-driver from unstable it works again
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• 688[07:12:26] <rant> so its working now?
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• 690[07:13:09] <allan_wind> rant: yes, stable upgrade causing my system to be unbootable is an issue, right? I was asking if it was a known issue before I filed bug
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• 692[07:14:12] <rant> you check the bts for know issues
• 693[07:14:23] <allan_wind> rant: yeah, didn't see anything obvious
• 694[07:14:25] <rant> ,v nvidia-driver
• 695[07:14:27] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.130-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 390.87-6; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.87-8~bpo9+1; stretch/non-free: 390.87-8~deb9u1; buster/non-free: 390.87-8; experimental/non-free: 410.93-1
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• 698[07:17:58] <rant> allan_wind: upgrade from 384.130-1 to 390.87-8?
• 699[07:18:05] <allan_wind> rant: yes
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• 702[07:19:25] <rant> hmm sounds like a bug sure..
• 703[07:20:15] <rant> those p series are pretty new and largely undocumented in linux community
• 704[07:21:01] <allan_wind> rant: I had a few generations of them now... they are kinda the new T series
• 705[07:21:24] <rant> would be good to get some feedback on them.. thinkwiki has little on them
• 706[07:22:03] <rant> i got an x240 currently
• 707[07:23:10] <allan_wind> rant: they pretty solid now. When they came out it had the next gen intel chipset so hit some kernel issues on that. I have some issues with the wifi firmware, I think, causing threads to hang and be killed.
• 708[07:23:18] <rant> was about to try make a cluster out of my spare parts of t61 i have 4 of em havent had anyone interested in buyin em.. figured id try makin use of em
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• 710[07:24:32] <allan_wind> rant: x series are nice too. lenovo needs some competition to make sure quality stays up though. for instance, the asymmetric keyboard is annoying, but non-issues for me as I basically use mine as a desktop with external keyboard
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• 713[07:25:17] <rant> yeah well worst thing is the clickpad on the x240 its a nightmare
• 714[07:25:39] <rant> the x230 and x250 didnt have it..
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• 716[07:26:21] <rant> x240 has no actual individual buttons it sucks
• 717[07:26:25] <F29> nor
• 718[07:26:27] <allan_wind> ugh
• 719[07:26:33] <F29> or not
• 720[07:27:19] <F29> leave me the chilean trust
• 721[07:27:21] <F29> haaha
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• 725[07:28:47] <rant> its all yours take the money and run
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• 730[07:30:43] <allan_wind> dumb question, how do I grep a file that has some binary data (i.e. my syslog with binary junk when I had to hard reset my box)? I get a few machines then it stop with "Binary file syslog.log matches"
• 731[07:31:41] <themill> grep -a
• 732[07:31:58] <allan_wind> themill: nice, can't believe I didn't know this
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• 745[07:44:15] <allan_wind> thx, filed bug report, hopefully few will see stable break due to this
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• 749[07:51:05] <themill> allan_wind: what package did you file it against?
• 750[07:51:14] <allan_wind> nvidia-driver
• 751[07:51:47] <allan_wind> #922497
• 752[07:51:52] <themill> yes, just saw it
• 753[07:52:10] <allan_wind> took a while to process otherwise I would have included the #
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• 827[08:53:40] <pascal18250> Bonjour à toute et à tous .
• 828[08:55:07] <rant> hello, this is an English channel
• 829[08:55:51] <rant> parlez vous anglais?
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• 840[09:06:29] <pascal18250> qui moi ? non
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• 842[09:06:48] <rant> dpkg, fr
• 843[09:06:48] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
• 844[09:07:21] <pascal18250> merci
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• 848[09:07:57] <rant> de rien
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• 860[09:16:17] <RandomSerb> hello
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• 863[09:16:59] <RandomSerb> how do I check my interface name for a given connection in Network Connections window? ( Applications->Settings->Network Connections )
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• 866[09:18:22] <rant> which desktop environment are you talking about?
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• 869[09:21:52] <RandomSerb> rant, xfce
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• 871[09:25:00] <rant> RandomSerb: right click the network icon in the notification area and goto Connection Information
• 872[09:25:52] <RandomSerb> rant, I'm trying to bridge connections, but this is pretty much the same output as of ip addr
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• 875[09:26:31] <pingfloyd> RandomSerb: those are the interface names
• 876[09:26:51] <pingfloyd> wlan0, eth0, lo, etc.
• 877[09:27:08] <RandomSerb> I don't see anything similar in connection information panel
• 878[09:27:42] <pingfloyd> the connection information seems to only show active network connections
• 879[09:28:01] <rant> yes it would only show active but the very first line is the interface name
• 880[09:28:03] <RandomSerb> rant, pingfloyd: replaced-url
• 881[09:28:04] <pingfloyd> so if something isn't showing up, it's probably not active
• 882[09:28:29] <RandomSerb> what should I use with brctl?
• 883[09:28:39] <rant> RandomSerb: thats the interface name.. in parenthesis
• 884[09:28:44] <pingfloyd> Driver is the interface name
• 885[09:29:02] <pingfloyd> I mean Interface
• 886[09:29:08] <rant> wlx503eaa97f678
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• 899[09:40:07] <nehemiah> What would be the best way to disable internet on a Machine using the command line, changing the DNS is not an option.
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• 901[09:41:05] <rant> o.O
• 902[09:41:39] <rant> you want to use it on local network only?
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• 908[09:46:31] <RandomSerb> rant, to bridge network connections, do I need to be using both at the same time, ie be connected to both?
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• 911[09:47:02] <rant> RandomSerb: when you bridge two interfaces you use neither
• 912[09:47:21] <rant> RandomSerb: once the bridge is up, a new interface for the bridge becomes available
• 913[09:47:31] <RandomSerb> rant, but at the point in time when I'm creating the bridge, do I need to be connected to both?
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• 916[09:48:47] <rant> RandomSerb: you need to just say what you're trying to do
• 917[09:49:43] <RandomSerb> rant, I have internet on my pc via wifi. I can't connect to wifi on my phone. I'm trying reverse tethering to get to have internet on my phone
• 918[09:50:26] <rant> heh
• 919[09:50:48] <rant> you're trying to get wired internet on a cell phone?
• 920[09:50:50] <RandomSerb> so I thought to bridge current wifi and ethernet created when I regularly do tethering
• 921[09:51:16] <rant> your phone has ethernet?
• 922[09:51:19] <RandomSerb> rant, yeah, as in, provide internet to my phone via USB
• 923[09:51:30] <RandomSerb> rant, nope, wifi seems to have died
• 924[09:51:52] <rant> hmm.. thats odd
• 925[09:52:07] <RandomSerb> what's odd?
• 926[09:52:42] <RandomSerb> that wifi on my phone is not working? it's annoying, I wouldn't call that odd, since I'm using Tesla 6.3 phone :)
• 927[09:52:52] <RandomSerb> read very cheap phone
• 928[09:53:15] <rant> a bridge isnt going to solve your problem
• 929[09:53:23] <RandomSerb> it is not?
• 930[09:53:25] <rant> nope
• 931[09:53:43] <rant> what you need is firewall rules, not a bridge
• 932[09:53:56] <RandomSerb> firewall rules on my pc?
• 933[09:53:57] <rant> and possibly a dhcp server
• 934[09:54:04] <rant> yes.. to route the traffic
• 935[09:55:19] <RandomSerb> rant, how would I do that? mind pointing me to some guides?
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• 937[09:57:17] <rant> replaced-url
• 938[09:58:46] <rant> RandomSerb: replaced-url
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• 940[09:59:54] <rant> replaced-url
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• 944[10:03:25] <nehemiah> rant: Correct, as the machines are booting from the network, it's essential that they keep the local network connection. I could change or disable the gateway, I guess.
• 945[10:04:39] <rant> uh..
• 946[10:04:54] <rant> this just gets weirder every time you say something..
• 947[10:05:20] <rant> I've used PXE booting extensively.. and it is NOT essential that they keep local network connection nor is it required to disable internet
• 948[10:05:53] <rant> all it needs is the dhcp server to point it to the tftp server and the tftp server to send it the data to boot then it doesnt need it anymore
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• 952[10:11:44] <RandomSerb> rant didn't you said I can't achieve what I want with bridging connections? :)
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• 955[10:16:19] <nehemiah> rant: The point is not that they don't work with internet. The point is that I'd like to send a command to them disabling the internet using SSH. They do need to stay connected to the network as they're booting an NBD image.
• 956[10:16:49] <nehemiah> Them meaning the disk-less terminals.
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• 960[10:20:54] <rant> RandomSerb: yeah well not JUST bridging connections
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• 1002[10:51:09] <Manis> Hi. The latest stretch kernel update breaks boot on the Banana Pi M1. I don't get anything from the serial console past u-boot. Any hints?
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• 1012[10:58:05] <themill> Manis: I'd suggest asking in #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net. They will be slow to respond but are the right people to help
• 1013[10:58:19] <Manis> themill: Thanks for the hint
• 1014[10:58:25] <Manis> Will ask there
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• 1018[11:00:52] <ov3rmind> hello
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• 1020[11:02:01] <ov3rmind> guys i buy an new notebook and it have one keyboard with 85 key how i have to setup it roght?
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• 1022[11:03:14] <Manis> ov3rmind: Depends on the keyboard layout?
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• 1024[11:04:06] <Manis> The number of keys doesn't matter *that* much. I mean, the missing keys just won't be there. The keyboard layout doesn't really care.
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• 1036[11:08:45] <\\Mr_C\\> 9.8 is released
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• 1067[11:34:21] <forester> Hullo. Please tell me how to open port 2100?
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• 1072[11:46:16] <nkuttler> forester: what do you mean by open?
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• 1074[11:46:26] <nkuttler> how did you close it in the first place?
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• 1080[11:51:51] <forester> nkuttler: There is a game Warzone2100. I am going to host a multiplayer game. And application says "No UPnP device found. Configure your router/firewall to open port 2100!"
• 1081[11:53:19] <\\Mr_C\\> if i wanted to install a simple gui for debian would i just put apt-get install xinit?
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• 1089[11:56:55] <rudi_s> forester: Looks like you have to configure port forwarding on your router to point to port 2100 on your local machine.
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• 1096[12:00:14] <trysten> I'm having trouble connecting to mariadb from php. Where do i find the process logs of php? Or, how do I get them out of 'syslog'?
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• 1100[12:02:44] <\\Mr_C\\> i did apt-get install xinit and then startx works with a terminal and mouse, but i am not sure if thats the propper method .
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• 1106[12:04:19] <artass> \\Mr_C\\, did you created ~/.xinitrc?
• 1107[12:04:43] <\\Mr_C\\> no
• 1108[12:05:37] <artass> \\Mr_C\\, do it, and write into it something like: "exec twm", and install twm first, then do: startx
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• 1110[12:06:51] <artass> \\Mr_C\\, you may write name of any wm you have installed, twm - is an example
• 1111[12:07:18] <vvor> \\Mr_C\\: You better think of / choose a window manager or desktop environment first.
• 1112[12:07:19] <\\Mr_C\\> i dont want a window manager
• 1113[12:07:35] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe, i want the most basic possible
• 1114[12:07:53] <vvor> Basic for what?
• 1115[12:08:17] <vvor> You can use X only but...
• 1116[12:08:35] <\\Mr_C\\> so i can manually run whatever i want from a console window that requires a gui
• 1117[12:08:53] <artass> \\Mr_C\\, wm - IS most basic, without it you can not control any window
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• 1119[12:09:26] <artass> \\Mr_C\\, windows will overlap each other
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• 1123[12:10:10] <at0m> artass: maybe \\Mr_C\\ just wants to launch kodi or some other single-window frontend
• 1124[12:10:22] <\\Mr_C\\> vlc
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• 1126[12:10:33] <vvor> startx chromium
• 1127[12:10:35] <\\Mr_C\\> this tiny box i have for playing music videos
• 1128[12:10:39] <vvor> startx vlc
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• 1130[12:10:55] <blackflow> trysten: check php.ini and see how logging is set up. if it's "syslog" then you can query with journalctl. -u to specify the fpm service (I don't know full name of it otoh now, so...)
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• 1133[12:11:37] <vvor> That "console window" has to run on X
• 1134[12:11:59] <\\Mr_C\\> right, if thats all i wanted to do is startx vlc, is apt-get install xinit all i need?
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• 1138[12:12:46] <blackflow> you can't achieve what you want without a wm
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• 1140[12:12:59] <blackflow> that VLC will have no controls, no menu likely even
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• 1142[12:13:42] <at0m> or maybe go with mpv, which plays A/V without any menus or extra windows..
• 1143[12:13:54] <at0m> and easy keyb control
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• 1146[12:14:44] <at0m> replaced-url
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• 1148[12:17:30] <vvor> \\Mr_C\\: Think you should start with a minimal WM like twm. Then read up on X kiosk setups to go even lower on the food chine.
• 1149[12:17:55] <\\Mr_C\\> it does work, i install vlc and startx vlc works
• 1150[12:18:04] <\\Mr_C\\> just like it should
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• 1153[12:18:45] <\\Mr_C\\> thanks for all the advice
• 1154[12:19:09] <vvor> :)
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• 1156[12:21:48] <blackflow> does it really... you can actually play videos (I ask because without a DM you'll have to configure gpu access for your user that runs startx)
• 1157[12:22:06] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe, i like that twm just installed that too
• 1158[12:22:15] <\\Mr_C\\> yes blackflow it works
• 1159[12:22:23] <blackflow> audio too?
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• 1161[12:22:34] <\\Mr_C\\> sec, let me try
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• 1177[12:36:29] <\\Mr_C\\> blackflow
• 1178[12:36:31] <\\Mr_C\\> it works
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• 1180[12:37:04] <blackflow> \\Mr_C\\: the user is in video and audio groups?
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• 1183[12:37:30] <blackflow> (and "input" for that matter)
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• 1191[12:40:51] <pyfgcr> how can I try figuring out why a certain piece of hardware (touchscreen) works in ubuntu but not in debian?
• 1192[12:41:47] <blackflow> ubuntu adds a lot of patches for hardware support
• 1193[12:41:57] <blackflow> (to the kernel, I mean)
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• 1195[12:43:16] <pyfgcr> so the difference it is probably in the kernel?
• 1196[12:44:25] <blackflow> that's the most likely answer. also, ubuntu adds newer mesa and xorg drivers via its HWE programme
• 1197[12:46:13] <at0m> hi, when i wget replaced-url
• 1198[12:46:38] <blackflow> at0m: look up the -o option in wget manual
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• 1200[12:46:59] <at0m> blackflow: yea -O would do, but that's a lot of extra typing
• 1201[12:47:01] <blackflow> sorry, -O (capital O)
• 1202[12:47:24] <blackflow> oh I'm sorry, you'll have to wait for a wget-ai variant so you can tell it verbally what to do.
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• 1204[12:48:31] <at0m> well i could script to drop everything starting from the "?" in an url. guess i'll have to look into that?
• 1205[12:48:39] <at0m> *that.
• 1206[12:48:45] <\\Mr_C\\> vlc has audio, but firefox does not
• 1207[12:49:05] <at0m> \\Mr_C\\: do you have pulseaudio running?
• 1208[12:49:20] <\\Mr_C\\> your right about the menu thing i needed twm for menus in firebox, but not vlc
• 1209[12:49:25] <blackflow> \\Mr_C\\: you never answered my question :)
• 1210[12:49:45] <\\Mr_C\\> i must of missed it, please ask it again
• 1211[12:49:47] <blackflow> right, firefox is gonna be a bear without a gtk3 compliant WM
• 1212[12:50:05] <blackflow> \\Mr_C\\: I asked if your user is in video, audio and input groups
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• 1214[12:50:26] <blackflow> I am assuming you're logging in at the console, no DM in effect, and are running startx from the command line?
• 1215[12:50:35] <\\Mr_C\\> yes
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• 1217[12:51:10] <\\Mr_C\\> then a little console pops up and i type vlc
• 1218[12:51:13] <blackflow> k. I tried one to build a debian based "Netflix appliance VM", just a firefox configured to connect straight to netflix, fullscreen, no WM, no DE, right via startx
• 1219[12:51:14] <\\Mr_C\\> or firefox
• 1220[12:51:18] <pyfgcr> blackflow: I don't remenber installing anything with `hwe' in the name, and it is also ubuntu lts (actually kde neon, but that shouldn't use a different kernel)
• 1221[12:51:32] <blackflow> that never worked. I settled to openbox which wasn't difficult to configure to achieve basically the same.
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• 1223[12:52:11] <pyfgcr> so, in case I figure out wich is the right patch, is there any chance to have it ported to debian?
• 1224[12:53:21] <blackflow> pyfgcr: probably not. Debian is sticking to LTS kernels with a policy of security backports only with occasional bump to sync up with upstream. Ubuntu is based on an EOL'd kernel no longe supported anywhere else
• 1225[12:53:53] <blackflow> pyfgcr: but it should be theoretically possible to install ubuntu's kernel .debs
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• 1229[13:00:12] <pyfgcr> blackflow: I don't want it to be backported: with `ported' I meant in the next release, or possibly later; i.e. it should go to sid first, of course
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• 1232[13:00:48] <pyfgcr> also I dont't understand the lts part: I'm also usignd a lts version of ubuntu
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• 1234[13:01:48] <pyfgcr> "Ubuntu is based on an EOL'd kernel no longe supported anywhere else" so that's why it wasn't added upstream?
• 1235[13:02:10] <blackflow> pyfgcr: that does not conflict what I said. You'd have to ask the kernel team but... Ubuntu specific patches are Ubuntu only (so called "SAUCE", and potentially upstreamable), based on kernel version unsupported in Debian. It'd be a lot of work for the debian kernel team to maintain those. Ubuntu would have to upstream their patches first.
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• 1237[13:02:39] <blackflow> pyfgcr: no. whether something is accepted upstream depends on upstream devs
• 1238[13:03:04] <blackflow> I was talking about porting an ubuntu specific patch straight to Debian without it being upstreamed first.
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• 1243[13:06:06] <pyfgcr> so what you are saying is that I should ask the linux kernel developers?
• 1244[13:07:00] <blackflow> I'm not saying that. I said you should ask _Debian_ kernel team if they'd be willing to port a (non-security, non-bug, feature only) patch from Ubuntu straight to Debian without it going upstream first.
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• 1247[13:07:47] <blackflow> and I seriously doubt they would. also, this (touchscreen support in your case) being about a kernel patch is just something I think is most likely. could very well be unrelated to kernel.
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• 1249[13:08:13] <jelly> debian kernel team does accepts hw support driver-only patches if you ask nicely (= file a bug report, preferably with commit/patch included)
• 1250[13:08:27] <blackflow> you asked how do you figure out why it didn't work and I pointed at most likely answer: Ubuntu SAUCE patches. it's just a starting point for your "figuring out".
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• 1254[13:09:23] <blackflow> jelly: commit/patch against the debian kernel, right? ubuntu is based on EOL'd kerne and patches would likely need rework
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• 1257[13:10:00] <jelly> I have no idea what ubuntu has to do with anything
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• 1259[13:10:15] <blackflow> the question was about porting the patch from ubuntu's kernel, if it was identified
• 1260[13:10:36] <blackflow> "12:52 < pyfgcr> so, in case I figure out wich is the right patch, is there any chance to have it ported to debian?"
• 1261[13:10:46] <pyfgcr> blackflow: ok, thanks. Of course figuring out why was only the first step to have it working in debian too
• 1262[13:11:03] <jelly> of course it's better if you fix the patch yourself
• 1263[13:11:44] <jelly> pyfgcr, did you try if using the kernel from stretch-backports made any difference?
• 1264[13:11:56] <\\Mr_C\\> blackflow i got the sound to work in firefox with this apt-get install libasound2 alsa-utils alsa-oss
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• 1266[13:12:37] <pyfgcr> jelly: I never looked at the kernel code before, that's why I wanted to start from the ubuntu patch
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• 1268[13:12:47] <pyfgcr> I'll also thry that kernel
• 1269[13:13:04] <pyfgcr> s/thry/try
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• 1271[13:13:40] <jelly> dpkg, tell pyfgcr about bdo kernel
• 1272[13:13:46] <blackflow> \\Mr_C\\: is that debian? firefox depends on pulseaudio which would've pulled in those packages
• 1273[13:14:13] <\\Mr_C\\> i had to install it seperatly
• 1274[13:14:23] <jelly> pyfgcr, if you're using any firmware you'll want to update versions of firmware packages installed to stretch-backports as well
• 1275[13:14:37] <\\Mr_C\\> i read somewhere if pulseaudio was not installed it would still use alsa if available
• 1276[13:14:48] <blackflow> \\Mr_C\\: would require recompilation
• 1277[13:15:04] <blackflow> is that _really_ debian you have there?
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• 1280[13:16:12] <\\Mr_C\\> debian-9.8.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
• 1281[13:16:13] <\\Mr_C\\> yes
• 1282[13:16:14] <jelly> ,depends firefox-esr
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• 1284[13:16:16] <judd> Package firefox-esr in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.18), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libffi6 (>= 3.0.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.11), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.0.0), libjsoncpp1
• 1285[13:16:17] <judd> (>= 1.7.4), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8), libstdc++6 (>= 6), libvpx4 (>= 1.6.0), libx11-6, libx11-xcb1, libxcb-shm0, libxcb1, libxcomposite1 (>= 1:0.3-1), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6, libxfixes3, libxrender1, libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.3.4), fontconfig, procps, debianutils (>= 1.16).
• 1286[13:16:22] <\\Mr_C\\> thats what i installed
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• 1295[13:19:42] <jelly> \\Mr_C\\, can you purge alsa-oss and reboot and see if it still works?
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• 1297[13:20:02] <\\Mr_C\\> okay
• 1298[13:20:04] <\\Mr_C\\> sec.
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• 1300[13:21:46] <jelly> if you're trying to make some sort of a minimal system it's likely that alsa-utils helped, that's where bits for restoring volume settings at boot are present
• 1301[13:22:19] <\\Mr_C\\> it still works
• 1302[13:22:39] <\\Mr_C\\> maybe its the libsound2
• 1303[13:22:44] <blackflow> yeah -oss is not needed these days
• 1304[13:22:56] <\\Mr_C\\> so what made the sound work then?
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• 1307[13:23:05] <blackflow> \\Mr_C\\: libasound2 would've been pulled in for firefox-esr
• 1308[13:23:29] <blackflow> are you using --no-install-recommends ?
• 1309[13:23:37] <\\Mr_C\\> no
• 1310[13:23:38] <jelly> \\Mr_C\\, setting the volume helped.
• 1311[13:23:49] <\\Mr_C\\> oh
• 1312[13:24:06] <\\Mr_C\\> i will wipe it clean and try this all again
• 1313[13:24:17] <\\Mr_C\\> only takes like 10 minutes
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• 1316[13:24:50] <Klaus_Dieter> hello world.
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• 1318[13:26:17] <Klaus_Dieter> I want to boot amd64 machines via tftp (this is working including pxelinux config) - into debian (this is what I am having trouble with). How can I best set up the debian installation on my nfs server to make it maintainable?
• 1319[13:26:32] <Klaus_Dieter> where do I obtain kernel / initramfs and how can I prepare the rootfs?
• 1320[13:27:08] <Klaus_Dieter> and what is best practice there? Just install to thumb drive and copy the files over?
• 1321[13:27:22] <Klaus_Dieter> how then can the resulting system be upgraded?
• 1322[13:27:39] <jelly> !install guide
• 1323[13:27:39] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at replaced-url
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• 1329[13:29:18] <jelly> oh you don't want to install, just boot?
• 1330[13:30:04] <Klaus_Dieter> I want to have a debian installation that I can boot over the network
• 1331[13:30:05] <jelly> dunno if installer kernel and initrd are good for that
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• 1333[13:30:28] <Klaus_Dieter> I would like to have a debian installation that I can boot via tftp, yes.
• 1334[13:30:39] <Klaus_Dieter> that is why the installguide (installing via tftp) unfortunately does not apply
• 1335[13:30:40] <\\Mr_C\\> do you have a tftp server?
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• 1337[13:31:02] <Klaus_Dieter> yes I have all the infrastructure ready, I am just wondering how I should set up debian to make it maintainable
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• 1339[13:31:50] <jelly> you could look up how replaced-url
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• 1344[13:33:05] <Klaus_Dieter> hehe they have a program to do that.
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• 1346[13:33:15] <Klaus_Dieter> ltsp-build-client
• 1347[13:33:27] <Klaus_Dieter> thank you for the hint I would not have thought searching or "terminal server"
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• 1355[13:40:12] <rocketmagnet> i everyone, where on earth is the "mail" programm went to ??
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• 1359[13:41:57] * themill tries to work out if the question is "how is my filesystem broken" or "what package should I install?"
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• 1361[13:42:39] <rant> I thought it was just a parody of a Shawn Colbin song
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• 1363[13:43:00] <rant> erm paula cole
• 1364[13:43:26] <\\Mr_C\\> jelly
• 1365[13:43:43] <\\Mr_C\\> okay if i just installed those few basics as before, you mentioned setting the volume
• 1366[13:44:01] <\\Mr_C\\> what tool would do that without installing the alsa?
• 1367[13:44:16] <rocketmagnet> apt-file search mail gives me no mail programm with | grep bin, only mail* apps, but no single "mail"
• 1368[13:44:18] <Klaus_Dieter> hm. "kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init!" < this is what happens when I boot initrd and kernel from an install
• 1369[13:44:27] <Klaus_Dieter> unfortunately I cannot scroll up to see the actual error mesage
• 1370[13:44:44] <\\Mr_C\\> all i installed so far was xorg, firefox and twm
• 1371[13:44:50] <blackflow> rocketmagnet: mailutils
• 1372[13:45:05] <\\Mr_C\\> and xinit
• 1373[13:45:19] <themill> rocketmagnet: there are many implementations of /usr/bin/mail; you need to choose the one you want
• 1374[13:46:14] <rocketmagnet> blackflow: thy
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• 1376[13:47:16] <rocketmagnet> i want to setup postfix so i can use mail to read my emails and store them localy and use my email-client to read from the mail/spool dir, is that possible ?
• 1377[13:47:29] <rocketmagnet> i'm using thunderbird
• 1378[13:47:53] <rocketmagnet> does someone nkow a good tutorial for this ?
• 1379[13:48:33] <blackflow> rocketmagnet: why not do it TheRightWay(tm) and setup up a proper IMAP service like Dovecot?
• 1380[13:48:59] <blackflow> even if it's all localhost. if you want to use Thunderbird, that's the way to go
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• 1387[13:51:36] <CrazyTux> any linux noob here?
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• 1390[13:52:49] <Klaus_Dieter> blackflow: ack. except thunderbird could then be replaced with mutt. and the mail does not need to be read from the postfix spool but could be synced using imap using mbsync
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• 1392[13:52:55] <Klaus_Dieter> :) many options
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• 1394[13:53:23] <tomreyn> CrazyTux: they are usually shy at exposing themselves.
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• 1396[13:53:39] <CrazyTux> tomreyn, why?
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• 1398[13:53:57] <rant> woah, hey... no exposing oneself in here
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• 1402[13:54:56] <tomreyn> CrazyTux: you'd need to ask them.
• 1403[13:54:59] <blackflow> Klaus_Dieter: it's still adviseable to use a proper IMAP client. postfix' spool is NOT meant to be accessed and modified by MUAs
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• 1409[13:55:49] <CrazyTux> tomreyn, lol. That is what I was trying to do. Asking linux noobs.
• 1410[13:56:46] <tomreyn> CrazyTux: my suggestion is that you ask a specific question. (maybe rather in ##linux than here.)
• 1411[13:57:53] <CrazyTux> does anyone here encounters frequent freezing issues while using Debian stable?
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• 1413[13:58:14] <Klaus_Dieter> could you be more specific CrazyTux
• 1414[13:59:01] <CrazyTux> Klaus_Dieter, could this random freezing be because of something in firefox browser?
• 1415[13:59:09] <jelly> \\Mr_C\\, the tools for that are part of the alsa-utils package.
• 1416[13:59:22] <blackflow> CrazyTux: it could be due to <any reason>
• 1417[14:00:07] <blackflow> so your first bus stop is at the logs
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• 1420[14:01:11] <CrazyTux> I am a newbie and a non technical end user.
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• 1422[14:03:01] <blackflow> CrazyTux: so? are you implying you don't want to learn fixing problems?
• 1423[14:03:33] <CrazyTux> blackflow, no. I can't understand the logs.
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• 1425[14:06:03] <tomreyn> CrazyTux: you could post those logs online, on a pastebin (/msg dpkg paste), and convince someone here to review them for you.
• 1426[14:06:44] <CrazyTux> tomreyn, how to locate the logs. Please help.
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• 1429[14:07:44] <tomreyn> CrazyTux: the "dmesg" command may provide the output you need to inspect
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• 1431[14:08:17] <tomreyn> if you run systemd-journald, you can also use journalctl -b
• 1432[14:08:30] <Klaus_Dieter> CrazyTux: start here: replaced-url
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• 1434[14:09:29] <tomreyn> (...and "journalctl -b -1" for the last but one boot)
• 1435[14:09:55] <blackflow> which implies persistent journal. is that default in debian?
• 1436[14:10:04] <\\Mr_C\\> cool, all i did was install it and reboot and the sound works
• 1437[14:10:05] <CrazyTux> tomreyn, replaced-url
• 1438[14:10:26] <blackflow> CrazyTux: central logs for everything are managed by journald, which is controlled with `journalctl`. Check its manpage or google for it, for more info and usage examples.
• 1439[14:10:31] <tomreyn> blackflow: i must admit i'm not actually sure there.
• 1440[14:10:44] <blackflow> CrazyTux: freezes are implying hardware issues and are likely to be logged from kernel messages
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• 1443[14:10:57] <CrazyTux> ok
• 1444[14:11:15] <blackflow> CrazyTux: one quick way to check things (but in no way comprehensive) is checking just for errors or warnings, with journalctl -p err or -p warning
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• 1448[14:12:49] <CrazyTux> blackflow, no entries found for either of those commands.
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• 1451[14:13:18] <tomreyn> CrazyTux: you'Re two firmware versions behind (yours is 204): replaced-url
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• 1453[14:14:03] <CrazyTux> tomreyn, ok. Could that be the reason for that? what is the solution then?
• 1454[14:14:54] <blackflow> CrazyTux: are your freezes requiring reboots? if so, you'll have to check and enable journald persistence, so you can look up previous boot session after reboot, for clues
• 1455[14:15:33] <blackflow> assuming anything is logged at all. frequently those freezes are caused by triple faults which slags the cpu into hard fail and reboot
• 1456[14:15:57] <CrazyTux> blackflow, yes. They require hard reset. Always.
• 1457[14:15:59] <blackflow> and frequently it's caused by bios bugs, or gpu driver issues, among other things
• 1458[14:16:28] <CrazyTux> blackflow, how to enable journald persistence?
• 1459[14:16:47] <jelly> CrazyTux, mkdir /var/log/journal -- as root
• 1460[14:16:52] <jelly> and reboot
• 1461[14:17:25] <CrazyTux> ok. This, I have to run in the terminal?
• 1462[14:17:42] <blackflow> I prefer to teach people how to fish, with "look up journald.conf manapge, Storage= setting"
• 1463[14:17:46] <jelly> you can run it anywhere you want :-)
• 1464[14:17:55] <blackflow> that mkdir dependson Storgate=auto btw, so it's incomplete answer.
• 1465[14:17:58] <\\Mr_C\\> thanks to everyone who helped me with my project
• 1466[14:18:34] <blackflow> oh ffs typos and this stinking keyboard......
• 1467[14:18:44] <blackflow> journald.conf manpage, Storage= setting
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• 1470[14:19:23] <jelly> blackflow, that's default
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• 1472[14:19:58] <blackflow> and I'd prefer them to understand that by looking into the manpage and realizing what setting is default, why and what happens with that dir.
• 1473[14:20:27] <jelly> good for you
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• 1476[14:21:00] <jelly> at some point you'll learn not to overwhelm a user asking for help with lots of tangential info
• 1477[14:21:38] <blackflow> nothing tangential about looking up what Storage= param of journald.conf does, it's direct answer to their question
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• 1483[14:23:00] <at0m> long as it works =)
• 1484[14:23:08] <at0m> to each their style eh
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• 1503[14:31:57] <Klaus_Dieter> the root cause of the crash was an incorrectly kernel append option - instead of root=/dev/nfs I had boot=/dev/nfs in there.
• 1504[14:32:43] <Klaus_Dieter> unfortunately since the kernel crash log is so verbose, this very error message about that fact was scrolled out of reach. I managed to obtain the error message by booting from pxe boot a VM using virt-manager/qemu
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• 1506[14:32:53] <Klaus_Dieter> then had to set up the serial console and then was able to scroll
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• 1508[14:33:57] <Klaus_Dieter> after finding the message it was fixed within a minute, but obtaining the error took now almost 90 minutes
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• 1510[14:34:42] <jelly> it's always the last place you look at, isn't it
• 1511[14:34:49] <Klaus_Dieter> :)
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• 1523[14:44:23] <CrazyTux> is anyone here using or has used mx linux?
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• 1525[14:45:45] <jelly> !mxlinux
• 1526[14:45:45] <dpkg> Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at replaced-url
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• 1529[14:46:27] <jelly> apparently enough people have been usin it to warrant writing that up
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• 1538[14:50:30] <CrazyTux> mx linux is debian for newbies, I think.
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• 1540[14:52:11] <tehnull> debian is linux for newbies
• 1541[14:52:17] <tehnull> and pros alike
• 1542[14:52:20] <RNM> !fedora
• 1543[14:52:20] <dpkg> Fedora is the Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, although it is not supported by Red Hat officially, you can get help from the community: #fedora on irc.freenode.net. replaced-url
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• 1550[14:57:05] <at0m> ,v usbguard
• 1551[14:57:06] <judd> Package: usbguard on amd64 -- stretch: 0.6.2+ds1-2; buster: 0.7.4+ds-1+b1; sid: 0.7.4+ds-1+b1
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• 1610[15:27:48] <esr> Is there any way I can query the Debian page database to find out what packages have a specified package required?
• 1611[15:28:04] <esr> s/page/package/
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• 1613[15:29:06] <joepublic> as in, what packages depend on "foo"?
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• 1615[15:29:35] <esr> joepublic: Yes, that's my question.
• 1616[15:29:58] <joepublic> apt-cache rdepends foo will do it if you have debian installed.
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• 1618[15:31:53] <Dark-Jedi> So will "aptitude why foo"
• 1619[15:32:05] <esr> joepublic: That's working. Thanks
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• 1621[15:34:12] <esr> UIt looks lile aptitude why only queries installed packages, while rdepends checks all. At least, rdepena is giving me one report of a dependent that is not installed.
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• 1626[15:38:17] <EdePopede> rdepends is irritating though. doing my usual test it tells me that mc-data rdepends on mc, while mc rdepends on mc-data and a some other packages. the mystery being this list of options > --no-pre-depends, --no-depends, --no-recommends, --no-suggests, --no-conflicts, --no-breaks, --no-replaces, --no-enhances
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• 1630[15:39:49] <EdePopede> it silently also shows recommendations and some (all?) of the others per default. for mc also things like junior-system findutils get listed.
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• 1633[15:43:17] <esr> Next question: can I query dependencies for a source build?
• 1634[15:43:49] <esr> Whay I'm trying to find out is the relative reach of byacc vs, bison.
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• 1643[15:47:24] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, when i do a apt -qq list sendmail i get displayed that sendmail is installed, when i do a apt-get remov sendmail he tells me sendmail is still installed, what should i do, i'm confused ...
• 1644[15:47:38] <rocketmagnet> is not installed sorry
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• 1646[15:48:44] <rocketmagnet> the sendmail command is still working ...
• 1647[15:48:56] <rocketmagnet> how to remove sendmail from my system so i can use postfix ?
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• 1657[15:54:21] <pagetelegram> How do I change console back to 640x480? trying to get my VGA screen to work off laptop and right now it is out of range. Console only deb9
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• 1665[15:57:48] <n_1-c_k> rocketmagnet: what is printed by "apt -qq list --installed sendmail"?
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• 1675[16:00:57] <pagetelegram> I found the solution in /etc/default/grub and unmuted the gfxmode for 640x480
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• 1683[16:08:22] <TRS-80> Good morning, fine people!
• 1684[16:08:37] <TRS-80> Is there some reason I don't see gcc-5 available (in any branch of!) Debian?!
• 1685[16:09:29] <dvs> too old?
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• 1687[16:09:54] <Emil> hmm, good point, why is Debian on 4, still?
• 1688[16:10:10] <Emil> ohwait naw
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• 1690[16:10:20] <TRS-80> Well yeah I guess the requirement for gnat-5 does say >= 5.4 or whatever
• 1691[16:10:26] <Emil> that packet version listing just reads silly
• 1692[16:10:31] <TRS-80> well Debian does have gcc-6
• 1693[16:10:36] <Emil> TRS-80: stretch is on 6.3
• 1694[16:10:51] <Emil> buster on 8.2
• 1695[16:10:53] <TRS-80> OK nvm I'm dumb lol
• 1696[16:11:15] <TRS-80> Have a nice day :)
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• 1699[16:11:35] <Emil> TRS-80: yeah I mistake that leading 4: too :D
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• 1703[16:11:39] <joepublic> Fun fact: Tandy started out as a leather and saddle company.
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• 1709[16:13:01] <pagetelegram> My laptop forces a resolution mirrored that is unsupported by external screen. I edited the grub file and updated grub and still issue with resolution not supported. Console linux deb9
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• 1712[16:13:46] <TRS-80> OK, so I have gcc (which is 4 something) and I have gcc-6 already installed, but gnat-5 requires gcc-5 which I don't see anywhere in Debian?!
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• 1717[16:15:49] <dvs> TRS-80, it looks like there is both a gnat-5 and gnat-6 available.
• 1718[16:17:28] <TRS-80> dvs: what am I missing here?: replaced-url
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• 1721[16:19:03] <pagetelegram> tried GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=.... and still laptop forcing screen resolution not supported by monitor
• 1722[16:19:03] <dvs> TRS-80, this replaced-url
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• 1726[16:20:47] <TRS-80> Instructions I am following here: replaced-url
• 1727[16:21:02] <TRS-80> thanks dvs
• 1728[16:21:13] <dvs> np
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• 1735[16:23:08] <Deihmos> how do you install gnome without the essentials?
• 1736[16:23:34] <TRS-80> Deihmos: but they are essential XD
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• 1740[16:24:13] <Deihmos> libre office and all that other stuff isn't anything i want
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• 1749[16:29:36] <t3st3r> Deihmos> so you want GTK+ and some GTK programs. Maybe even some gnome-* things. At 1st glance gnome-core dependencies really look like crazy batshit tp me. And honestly all this crap hardly "essential".
• 1750[16:30:11] <Deihmos> the flag is --no-install-recommends but it doesn't work with tasktel it seems
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• 1758[16:32:39] <joepublic> you don't have to install tasks with tasksel.
• 1759[16:32:57] <Deihmos> apt?
• 1760[16:33:28] <t3st3r> you can also use synaptic if you prefer graphic things.
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• 1762[16:36:04] <t3st3r> if you want more or less advanced selections you'll have to become a bit familiar with packages and so on. This way one could at least try to bring amount of crap in system to more sane levels.
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• 1869[17:29:12] <rocketmagnet> i've installed flex into /usr/local/bin but after an install when i try to run flex --version as root i get the new version number, but as normal user i get the old version number, what happend here ?
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• 1872[17:30:12] <rocketmagnet> which flex shows me the same executable
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• 1936[18:13:25] <Juslintek> How can I recover with recover cd failed dist-upgrade, back to original. Grub file got messed up as well because only memtest is shown on boot and no OS.
• 1937[18:14:17] <ksk> there is no going back, most likely. What kind of errors did you encounter during the upgrade process?
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• 1944[18:16:36] <__m4ch1n3__> only way back is full backup before dist-upgrade
• 1945[18:18:04] <Brigo> Juslintek, try boot again from the installer disk, go to rescue and keep going from there.
• 1946[18:18:48] <Juslintek> Brigo, I've selector Live Rescue or should I've picked install?
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• 1949[18:19:13] <Juslintek> I want to downgrade back to original without wiping all data as I haven't backed it up.
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• 1951[18:19:22] <Klaus_Dieter> I have learned today that the best way to overload an NFS server is to: a) boot a thin client off it, then b) start kde and load a 10 years old mailbox into it while c) keeping the default akonadi settings which index all email. The whole thing resulted in load average of above 50 within minutes.
• 1952[18:19:31] <Brigo> Juslintek, as ksk said there is no going back.
• 1953[18:19:38] <__m4ch1n3__> you cant downgrade, only dix current upggrade
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• 1956[18:19:43] <__m4ch1n3__> *fix
• 1957[18:19:54] <__m4ch1n3__> *upgrade
• 1958[18:19:56] <Klaus_Dieter> Juslintek: you best bet is to go forward, find a live cd or install cd with rescue mode and fix forward.
• 1959[18:20:11] <Brigo> Klaus_Dieter, quite complex if you ask me.
• 1960[18:20:18] <Juslintek> error basically that lots dependencies are missing, can't install perl libs and stuff.
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• 1962[18:20:36] <Brigo> all the install cd/dvd whatever have a rescue mode.
• 1963[18:20:49] <Brigo> in advanced option
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• 1965[18:20:55] <__m4ch1n3__> why are they missing? are you repository sourcess missing something
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• 1967[18:22:59] <Juslintek> m4ch1n3, because I accidentally upgraded to jessie from wheezy and forgot to upgrade outdated openvz images to lxc and I couldn't instal vzctl and openvz. Then I did the downgrade procedure where in /etc/apt/preferences you specify the build and how to behave if package is outdated. 1001 behaviour I picked.
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• 1969[18:23:16] <Juslintek> Then I've downgraded, but lsb_release -a was still showing Debian 8.11
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• 1975[18:24:13] <Juslintek> I did autoremove and all adviced methods and nothing worked I needed to install perl 5.14 and I couldn't. So I force installed it with dpkg but it corrupted some of the libs.
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• 1979[18:24:46] <__m4ch1n3__> omg
• 1980[18:24:53] <__m4ch1n3__> that sounds ry bad
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• 1983[18:25:39] <Juslintek> And I just couldn't do anything else, so force with dpkg perl 5.20 back again and rebooted. And it didn't boot and got stuck in memtest mode.
• 1984[18:25:48] <Juslintek> Because record of OS was missing.
• 1985[18:25:58] <Juslintek> I mean hdd
• 1986[18:26:17] <jmcnaught> Juslintek: if I were in your situation I'd focus on booting a live media so you can back everything up. Once you have backups, then make a plan (which will probably be fresh install, restore the backups)
• 1987[18:26:51] <__m4ch1n3__> would try boot iso into rescue, it offers an option to reinstal grub
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• 1989[18:27:15] <jmcnaught> but back up first, before things get even worse
• 1990[18:27:26] <Brigo> __m4ch1n3__, i would guess the problem is there is no kernel installed.
• 1991[18:27:36] <Juslintek> jmcnaught, yeah I'm doing it with virtual mount and remote access now.
• 1992[18:27:50] <__m4ch1n3__> oh shit
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• 1995[18:29:12] <Juslintek> I wonder if I can create a disk where I could store all my containers reinstall os.
• 1996[18:29:22] <Juslintek> without formating that partition.
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• 1998[18:29:48] <Juslintek> Then merge that pertition with os partition or whatever keep it there as it is and boot containers.
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• 2006[18:33:51] <Brigo> Juslintek, you can skip the formating/partitioning step in the debian install procedure and it will lead to something like you want.
• 2007[18:34:59] <Juslintek> Brigo thanx if thats possible then its a live saver as long as my containers and their configs stand safe.
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• 2009[18:35:49] <Brigo> Juslintek, as long as you remember to skip that step :)
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• 2011[18:36:26] <Brigo> move everything to a new directory or rename them, for example etc to etc.backup, etc.
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• 2013[18:37:18] <Brigo> Juslintek, of course i advocate for backups.
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• 2024[18:43:56] <Klaus_Dieter> Juslintek: there is another option: create an image of your current installation save it somewhere so you can refer to it for config files
• 2025[18:43:59] <Klaus_Dieter> and start from scratch
• 2026[18:44:07] <Klaus_Dieter> it *could* be less work
• 2027[18:44:09] <ksk> Juslintek: from my experience btw, not too easy to port openVZ containers to LXC - I ended up migrating only data ;)
• 2028[18:45:07] <Juslintek> ksk, thats what I'm going to do. So now I need to get back to wheezy, so I could do it without any trash. As soon as my Dell R610 arrives to datacenter.
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• 2066[19:00:02] <ksk> Juslintek: why is that? ploop based containers? sure ploop* does not run on a recent debian?
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• 2069[19:00:39] <ksk> so you could just go for debian9, mount the old containers there, and move their contents to lxc containers
• 2070[19:01:08] <ksk> ,v ploop
• 2071[19:01:09] <judd> Package: ploop on amd64 -- jessie: 1.12.1-1; stretch: 1.15-2+b1; buster: 1.15-6; sid: 1.15-6
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• 2077[19:07:24] <ksk> Juslintek: btw, which kind of stack are you going to run? I opted for lxd, because with lxc you have many things missing compared to openVZ.
• 2078[19:07:28] <Klaus_Dieter> why on earth did they pick that name?!
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• 2084[19:09:05] <joepublic> According to Stallman, joke names are a proud tradition. According to Torvalds, "silly names is what we're best at". Darned if you do, darned if you don't.
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• 2145[19:43:01] <rant> everyone loves a good ploop joke
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• 2152[19:50:28] <ksk> "Ploop is a disk loopback block device,"
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• 2154[19:50:46] <ksk> so, maybe P is russian for D? not sure..
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• 2166[19:55:40] <joepublic> Russian for D is "д". In Russian, "Р" is the latin alphabet letter "R".
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• 2177[20:02:34] <jhutchins> !any ideas?
• 2178[20:02:35] <dpkg> Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen rabid hamsters. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours!
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• 2181[20:04:49] <davis> anybody have problem printing pdfs from webpages using chrome? in chrome, I can not print webpages as all. In firefox I get inconsistent results. Some work for image and text in firefox when I enable "simplifiy page"
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• 2183[20:05:30] <joepublic> yes, I am pretty sure people exist that have problem printing pdfs from webpages using chrome. Why, just today, someone came into #debian with that complaint.
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• 2197[20:11:37] <EdePopede> > Also used as a lighthearted response to hearing an unfortunate comment or disappointing news. In this context it is usually something that isn't a particularly a big deal or when it primarily affects someone else; it's sort of a mild schadenfreude.
• 2198[20:12:02] <EdePopede> "what?! you're using our software?" => schadenfreude
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• 2202[20:14:26] <Dark-Jedi> joepublic: I've never had an issue with printing PDF from Chrome. Sounds like an old bug though. Tell them to download the latest Chrome binary and re-install.
• 2203[20:14:56] <joepublic> I am not much on recommending proprietary software, but perhaps they will see your message.
• 2204[20:15:02] <davis> i did a update/upgrade earlier today in an attempt to fix the problem.
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• 2206[20:17:00] <davis> fwiw, in firefox if I enable "simplify page" graphics will show up, if I further use "Page Setup" to adjust PDF or the "Any Printer" setting, I will get a different set of images. ie. maybe 90% in one setting and 75% using the other.
• 2207[20:17:34] <davis> I wonder if this particular website has a problem with their layout.
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• 2273[20:55:32] <JordiGH> Does Debian unstable still have mariadb and mysql?
• 2274[20:56:38] <JordiGH> Ah, never mind: replaced-url
• 2275[20:56:49] <joepublic> seems to.
• 2276[20:57:05] <joepublic> ,v mysql-server
• 2277[20:57:07] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.60-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.60-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.5.9999+default; sid: 5.7.24-3
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• 2316[21:22:58] <ukine> hi@n9nes
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• 2324[21:26:50] <ukine> hi there AciD
• 2325[21:27:09] <AciD`> well hello
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• 2336[21:32:22] <YottaiQ> Hey guys please read this from Nicaragua... replaced-url
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• 2346[21:41:43] <johnfg> hi guys
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• 2348[21:42:32] <johnfg> I note when installing all the updates just now, this problem/error: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8107e-2.fw for module r8169.
• 2349[21:43:08] <johnfg> And a number of others. Since I don't have this nic, or need module r8169, how do I get rid of these errors?
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• 2354[21:46:43] <Juslintek> Hi, I'm booted into grub cli, what should I type it to boot up os?
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• 2361[21:51:25] <jim> Juslintek, hmm... first try: ls
• 2362[21:52:02] <jim> you get anything from that?
• 2363[21:53:14] <Juslintek> jim, Error 27: Unrecognized command
• 2364[21:53:28] <jim> also note, that while there are some experts in grub who might be here, there is also #grub
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• 2366[21:53:58] <Juslintek> I can type install
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• 2368[21:54:57] <jim> ok, trying to get ls to show the drives/partitions... maybe there's another way... (don't press enter but) type: set root=, leave the cursor to the immediate right of the =, and hit tab
• 2369[21:55:09] <Juslintek> replaced-url
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• 2372[21:56:50] <jim> oops, back in a sec
• 2373[21:58:30] <jim> ok, did you try that?
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• 2375[22:01:03] <joepublic> grub not grub2 ??
• 2376[22:01:23] <jim> I think he's trying #grub
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• 2392[22:14:38] <jim> !codenames
• 2393[22:14:38] <dpkg> Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy (7) jessie (8) stretch (9) and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. replaced-url
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• 2397[22:15:19] <jim> in which version of debian, did it get grub2?
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• 2403[22:21:14] <joepublic> lenny? wheezy? not recently
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• 2425[22:29:08] <joepublic> my wheezy machine here has grub2 version 1.99-27+deb7u3
• 2426[22:29:37] <joepublic> "ii grub2-common 1.99-27+deb7u3 amd64 GRand Unified Bootloader (common files for version 2)"
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• 2471[22:55:09] <de-facto> how do i load the kernel module that supports TPROXY iptables targets on debian stretch?
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• 2473[22:55:41] <de-facto> grep TPROXY /boot/config-4.9.0-8-amd64 gives me "CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_TARGET_TPROXY=m"
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• 2478[22:59:34] <ksk> de-facto: grep TPROXY /lib/modules/4.9.0-6-amd64/modules.alias
• 2479[22:59:40] <ksk> and then use "modprobe" on the alias
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• 2481[23:00:03] <ksk> (Im a litte outdated it seems, change the path to match your kernels config file)
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• 2485[23:01:04] <de-facto> grep TPROXY /lib/modules/4.9.0-8-amd64/modules.alias gives me "alias ip6t_TPROXY xt_TPROXY" and "alias ipt_TPROXY xt_TPROXY"
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• 2487[23:01:29] <ksk> (the alias is "xt_TPROXY"
• 2488[23:01:29] <ksk> )
• 2489[23:01:43] <blackswan> are the options in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS documented somewhere?
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• 2491[23:02:24] <de-facto> so i just do "modprobe xt_TPROXY" and can use it then?
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• 2496[23:03:02] <de-facto> it seems to load, do i need anything else apart from iptables userland of course?
• 2497[23:03:08] <ksk> de-facto: yessir. keep in mind that only loads the module once.
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• 2499[23:03:21] <ksk> I dont know anything about it, but rather no.
• 2500[23:03:27] <de-facto> ok great thanks :)
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• 2503[23:03:47] <blackswan> ok nm
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• 2572[23:47:32] <Tenkawa> Anyone running Debian on a MSI B450? if so how do you like it?
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• 2576[23:48:30] <Tenkawa> I'm looking at building a new desktop and there are just so many choices now
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