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22 [00:13:58] <Epx998> Is it possible to skip the initial user creation in a preseed?
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33 [00:16:59] <Sleaker> Epx998: iirc, no.
34 [00:17:29] <Epx998> ugh
35 [00:17:32] <Sleaker> Epx998: you can easily get around this by just deleting the account in a late command
36 [00:17:55] <Sleaker> we setup a dummy account that has it's settings overwritten on a package installation
37 [00:18:02] <Epx998> yeah, a bit silly that i cant skip it, but yeah late command i guess
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39 [00:18:23] <Sleaker> like we have a custom 'users' package that sets up all the users on the system that should be there.
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41 [00:18:40] <kabo> huh... I rebooted and now my mic works like a charm
42 [00:18:42] <kabo> doesn't seem to matter if I boot with the usb mic plugged in or not
43 [00:18:59] <Epx998> i prefer to have my cm handle system config and the install just install the os
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47 [00:19:20] <Sleaker> Epx998: for sure, my deploy case is probably a lot different, (preboxed software)
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111 [00:58:54] <JonMichael85> Hey everyone
112 [00:59:33] <JonMichael85> Quick question, if I want a package that is only on testing, in order to use apt-get do I have to move my entire distro to testing or is there a way to just extract that one package in the testing version with apt-get
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119 [01:04:19] <nkuttler> JonMichael85: which package?
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138 [01:14:25] <JonMichael85> sorry I have a very poor connection
139 [01:15:12] <JonMichael85> I'm attempting to get dwarf-fortress, I'm currently on a pixelbook so I'm not sure what extra packages I'd need, which is why I figured just using apt-get would be the easiest way, but I'm also not sure I want to take my entire system into testing
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141 [01:16:29] <awal1> check 'backports'
142 [01:16:41] <awal1> dpkg: backport
143 [01:16:42] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
144 [01:17:04] <awal1> dpkg: debian-backports
145 [01:17:04] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <stretch backports>) and oldstable (<jessie backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
146 [01:17:34] <awal1> JonMichael85, first check if in ^
147 [01:18:22] <JonMichael85> ah gotcha, thanks @awal1
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152 [01:21:59] <JonMichael85> awal1 it doesn't appear to be in stretch-backports
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164 [01:31:15] <JonMichael85> awal1 so if it's not in there, is there another way to go about bringing in those packages?
165 [01:31:44] <JonMichael85> via apt-get commands anyways? my goal is to have the application to automatically check for updates also
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173 [01:38:31] <awal1> JonMichael85, not recommended and i am not used to mix branches, so i can't really help you much about all that, but basically just add the corresponding testing repository (ies) and run apt-get update && apt-get -t testing install yourpakg
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176 [01:38:39] <awal1> dpkg: frankendebian
177 [01:38:39] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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180 [01:39:19] <JonMichael85> awal1 actually, my error was "The value 'stretch-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources" even though I followed" even though I followed replaced-url
181 [01:39:46] <JonMichael85> I googled it, and everyone just referred back to the instructions page, but I followed those instructions
182 [01:40:25] <awal1> bro, i am really clueless about installing software from other branches, i never do, so wait maybe other folks will inform you better
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184 [01:41:54] <JonMichael85> no problem awal1, thank you for your help
185 [01:41:59] <joepublic> there is a pretty standard set of instructions for backporting a package yourself
186 [01:42:13] <joepublic> not that I have any idea what it is, mind you, just that I know that such a thing exists.
187 [01:42:25] <JonMichael85> haha, I'll try googling that joepublic
188 [01:42:36] <JonMichael85> thanks guys for pointing me on the right track
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310 [03:12:26] <awal1> anyone have worked out a an openbox action to displace mouse (pointer) between displays (monitors) ?
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312 [03:12:44] <awal1> anyone have worked out a an openbox action to displace mouse (pointer) between displays (monitors) via keyboard a shortcut?
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329 [03:20:41] <rant> displace it between monitors?
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332 [03:21:02] <rant> maybe look into xdotool and wmctrl but idk what you mean
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338 [03:24:42] <Deihmos> what is the difference selecting debian desktop enviroment and gnome when installing?
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344 [03:29:55] <awal1> rant, if i have the mouse pointer in monitor 1 , I want to move it to monitor 2 via keyboard, no using mouse. ( i am using <focusNew>yes</focusNew>, <followMouse>yes</followMouse>)
345 [03:29:58] <toruvinn> Deihmos, just guessing here, but it's just a different WM. the "debian desktop" goes with some default id have to google. is it KDE? if KDE is not in the list, then it's probably kde
346 [03:31:10] <toruvinn> i never pick naything there, cause it tends to install 1024GB of stuff i dont need, i add fluxbox later.
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348 [03:31:44] <TheSledgehammer> I AM THE SLEDGEHAMMER
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350 [03:31:58] <TheSledgehammer> BANG! SMASH! BANG!
351 [03:32:29] <TheSledgehammer> I REFUSE TO PAY PROTECTION MONEY TO THE MAFIA. I NEED NEW UNDERWEAR FOR MY GIANT NUTSACK
352 [03:33:29] <awal1> !ops TheSledgehammer spamming
353 [03:33:30] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: awal1 complains about a problem (see above)
354 [03:34:17] <TheSledgehammer> awall this is nit spam
355 [03:34:24] <TheSledgehammer> it legit truth
356 [03:34:32] <TheSledgehammer> i am the sledgehammer
357 [03:34:44] <TheSledgehammer> and the jews are after me for money
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359 [03:37:07] <rant> awal1: xdotool can control the mouse I used it with zenity to create a custom page scroller for my father
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361 [03:38:06] <rant> Deihmos: you can't select desktop environment you have to pick one of the 7, gnome is just the default if you dont change it
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363 [03:39:15] <awal1> rnat, ok, thanks. I will look what I can do with 'xdotool
364 [03:39:23] <awal1> rant
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367 [03:39:54] <awal1> "debian desktop" are maybe just a scripts for install the choosen desktop?
368 [03:40:14] <rant> awal1: xdotool mousemove 0 0 will move the cursor to 0,0 pixels
369 [03:40:19] <usney2> I am trying to setup wifi via commandline and my old script that I used last time to set it up isn't working anymore.
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372 [03:41:04] <awal1> rant, you say if you just select 'debian desktop' gnome is chosen by default since it is "the default>"?
373 [03:41:26] <awal1> well, maybe. i dont really know, i always install minimal
374 [03:41:27] <usney2> trying to use this guide
375 [03:41:28] <usney2> replaced-url
376 [03:41:49] <rant> ,depends task-desktop
377 [03:41:50] <judd> Package task-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.39), xorg, xserver-xorg-video-all, xserver-xorg-input-all, desktop-base.
378 [03:41:56] <rant> ,recommends task-desktop
379 [03:41:57] <judd> Package task-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- recommends: task-gnome-desktop | task-xfce-desktop | task-kde-desktop | task-lxde-desktop | task-cinnamon-desktop | task-mate-desktop | task-lxqt-desktop, xdg-utils, avahi-daemon, libnss-mdns, anacron, eject, iw, alsa-utils.
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382 [03:42:36] <rant> by default debian-installer will also select task-gnome-desktop in tasksel but if you dont choose one all you get is desktop-base and xorg
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386 [03:43:54] <rant> usney2: you need to possibly upload your script to paste.debian.org, and tell us specifically what happens when you run it
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388 [03:44:12] <usney2> okay
389 [03:44:13] <rant> otherwise you've not told us anything we can help with so far
390 [03:44:30] <usney2> okay
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394 [03:46:58] <usney2> nevermind rant
395 [03:47:03] <usney2> I fixed my problem
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397 [03:47:35] <usney2> I used a broken old script first by accident and i restarted my computer and ran the good one now all is good
398 [03:48:22] <usney2> it wasn't a bad script just an old interface name that my wifi isn't called by anymore
399 [03:49:34] <usney2> Hi rant
400 [03:50:35] <usney2> I got a question is there any admin tools you'd recommend to make a headless ssh server run easier for upgrades?
401 [03:50:52] <usney2> like how do I solve the have to restart once in a while for updates?
402 [03:51:40] <rant> um.. don't restart?
403 [03:51:43] <usney2> like maybe have the normal user without root privileges auto login once it restarts after the upgrade?
404 [03:51:50] <usney2> like what about kernel updates?
405 [03:52:00] <rant> use kexec
406 [03:52:16] <usney2> thank you so much rant
407 [03:52:30] <usney2> debian kicks ass you guys do a great job
408 [03:52:56] <rant> we're just users like you, that hang out here and answer questions
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410 [03:54:28] <usney2> my old laptop is renewed with a new purpose now. It is no longer usable as a GUI computer anymore too slow but as a command line computer it is user duper fast
411 [03:54:59] <Masterphi> how do I get the package rapidjson in jessie?
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413 [03:55:08] <usney2> I use it as a streaming/cloud ssh server
414 [03:55:11] <rant> yeah well I was just about to build a cluster out of 4 broken laptops myself
415 [03:55:27] <rant> ,v rapidjson
416 [03:55:28] <judd> No package named 'rapidjson' was found in amd64.
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418 [03:55:41] <Deihmos> rant: there is an option for several but debian desktop environment is selected as default. below it has gnome and several others
419 [03:56:10] <Deihmos> it seems debian desktop environment and gnome are the same
420 [03:56:21] <rant> ,v rapidjson-dev
421 [03:56:22] <judd> Package: rapidjson-dev on amd64 -- stretch: 0.12~git20141031+dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 1.1.0+dfsg2-3~bpo9+1; sid: 1.1.0+dfsg2-4; buster: 1.1.0+dfsg2-5
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423 [03:56:43] <rant> ,depends rapidjson-dev
424 [03:56:44] <judd> Package rapidjson-dev in stretch/amd64 -- depends: .
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428 [03:59:14] <rant> Masterphi: download it manually and use dpkg -i to install it replaced-url
429 [03:59:45] <rant> Masterphi: thats the buster version.. seems like the newest one on the repos
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431 [04:00:25] <Masterphi> neat, will try. thanks
432 [04:00:26] <rant> Masterphi: it has no dependencies and is merely a C library, so it will cause no conflicts
433 [04:01:24] <rant> Deihmos: if you were to unselect GNOME I'd imagine it'd only install task-desktop and you'd have nothing but an xorg and desktop-base
434 [04:01:55] <rant> Deihmos: its intended that you choose one or more of the task-<foo>-desktop packages listed below
435 [04:02:18] <Deihmos> you mean if i unselect debian desktop
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437 [04:02:31] <rant> I mean if you unselect gnome
438 [04:02:35] <rant> which is what I said
439 [04:02:47] <Deihmos> debian desktop is what is selected
440 [04:03:07] <Deihmos> if i unselect that i chose gnome it is the same thing
441 [04:03:21] <Deihmos> just find it weird that they have 2 of the same as an option
442 [04:03:35] <rant> ,depends task-gnome-desktop
443 [04:03:36] <judd> Package task-gnome-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.39), task-desktop, gnome-core.
444 [04:04:00] <rant> Deihmos: its not the same thing the desktop is task-desktop which task-gnome-desktop depends on
445 [04:04:13] <rant> Deihmos: if you unselect gnome you get only task-desktop
446 [04:04:29] <rant> I've said this at least 3 times now
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448 [04:05:10] <rant> If you're interested I have made a list of each task-<foo>-desktop with their installed size (amd64) and ram usage
449 [04:05:14] <rant> !de usage
450 [04:05:14] <dpkg> [de usage] The HDD/RAM usages of the 7 Stretch DE on amd64 VirtualBoxes with 1GB RAM / 32GB HDD are as follows as reported with only their terminals running df -Th and free -h: GNOME 4.2G 726M, KDE 4.1G 604M, Cinnamon 3.7G 482M, MATE 3.1G 215M, LXQt 3.1G 184M, LXDE 3.0G 180M, XFCE 2.9G 226M
451 [04:05:16] <Deihmos> i have no idea what you are talking about. all i said is that debian desktop which is one of the options and gnome are both the same
452 [04:05:26] <rant> NO THEY ARE NOT THE SAME
453 [04:05:35] <rant> listen again for the last time now..
454 [04:05:36] <Deihmos> i just installed both in vm
455 [04:05:40] <Deihmos> exactly the same thing
456 [04:05:48] <rant> the first option is selecting task-desktop
457 [04:06:01] <rant> ,depends task-desktop
458 [04:06:02] <judd> Package task-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.39), xorg, xserver-xorg-video-all, xserver-xorg-input-all, desktop-base.
459 [04:06:06] <Deihmos> i unselected debian desktop and selected gnome
460 [04:06:16] <Deihmos> other install i left it with debian desktop
461 [04:06:20] <Deihmos> exactly the same
462 [04:06:43] <rant> I heard and FULLY understand what you are saying, you are not hearing or at all understanding what I'm saying so shut up and listen or just shut up
463 [04:07:08] <rant> the REASON gnome does same regardless is because task-gnome-desktop DEPENDS on task-desktop
464 [04:07:21] <rant> therefore while you can uncheck a damn box, you are not actually unselecting it
465 [04:07:35] <rant> because task-gnome-desktop selects it anyhow
466 [04:07:51] <rant> however if you uncheck GNOME, it will only install task-desktop and NOT task-gnome-desktop
467 [04:08:01] <rant> therefore they are not the SAME
468 [04:08:08] <rant> one just depends on the other
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471 [04:08:57] <usney2> rant how can I test which wifi interface is faster? my usb doggie or the internal one that works only with proprietary software
472 [04:09:16] <rant> therefore the Desktop option is there for people who want something OTHER than the 7 DE listed below
473 [04:09:50] <rant> it will install xorg and desktop-base and allow them to later install say openbox,fluxbox,i3,blackbox,sawfish, etc whatever they want
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475 [04:10:46] <rant> usney2: I doubt it makes any difference, but google can perform an internet speed test if you goto google and ask it to
476 [04:11:01] <rant> you will get different results on subsequent runs regardless
477 [04:11:41] <rant> usney2: the usb one could however be slowed by or cause slowing of other things on the USB bus as its shared bandwidth
478 [04:12:01] <rant> particularly if hubs are involved
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482 [04:14:07] <Deihmos> so basically debian desktop is gnome msource code used by debian?
483 [04:14:23] <rant> no
484 [04:14:56] <rant> this program you're using in the installer is something called tasksel, its a very generic package manager that installs various metapackages whose names begin with task-
485 [04:15:35] <rant> Deihmos: you can see them in detail with apt show task-*
486 [04:16:10] <rant> there is no such thing as "Debian desktop" there is a task-desktop which installs xorg and desktop-base
487 [04:16:39] <rant> whatever tasksel calls that is just a generic name made by the tasksel developers
488 [04:16:58] <rant> GNOME is not GNOME, its task-gnome-desktop
489 [04:17:11] <rant> which in turn installs the following
490 [04:17:17] <rant> ,depends task-gnome-desktop
491 [04:17:18] <judd> Package task-gnome-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.39), task-desktop, gnome-core.
492 [04:17:35] <rant> ,i gnome-core
493 [04:17:36] <judd> Package gnome-core (metapackages, optional) in stretch/amd64: GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components. Version: 1:3.22+3; Size: 24.2k; Installed: 32k; Screenshot: replaced-url
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495 [04:18:38] <rant> source code has nothing to do with any of this
496 [04:18:58] <rant> these are metapackages that depend on binary software
497 [04:19:17] <Deihmos> replaced-url
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499 [04:19:41] <Deihmos> i think that sums it up. gnome is installed and some other stuff if you select debian desktop
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501 [04:20:26] <rant> @.@
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503 [04:23:29] <usney2> rant how do I setup kexec?
504 [04:23:42] <rant> !kexec
505 [04:23:42] <dpkg> kexec allows the system to load a kernel from a running kernel and boot into it, skipping the BIOS and bootloader stage of a reboot. To disable, «dpkg-reconfigure kexec-tools» or uninstall with «apt-get remove kexec-tools». To skip using kexec once: «/sbin/coldreboot». kexec is not enabled by default since kexec-tools 1:2.0.3-2.
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508 [04:24:34] <usney2> how do I enable kexec?
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510 [04:25:03] <cheapie> usney2: dpkg-reconfigure kexec-tools
511 [04:25:06] <usney2> I installed it and it asked if I want it to handle reboots I said yes so shouldn't it be setup?
512 [04:25:12] <usney2> thanks cheapie
513 [04:25:12] <cheapie> Should be then, yes.
514 [04:25:14] <usney2> haha
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516 [04:25:31] <usney2> I remember once I said I am a cheapie than you made a joke
517 [04:26:02] <usney2> you are a very active user
518 [04:26:06] <usney2> that was some time ago
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525 [04:30:20] <rant> dpkg, kexec ~= s/disable/enable or disable/
526 [04:30:20] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, rant
527 [04:30:25] <rant> dpkg, kexec =~ s/disable/enable or disable/
528 [04:30:26] <dpkg> OK, rant
529 [04:34:22] <usney2> hi rant
530 [04:35:00] <usney2> is there a tool to figure out which is the fastest debian repo and to use that by default via the command line?
531 [04:35:39] <usney2> debian repo mirror
532 [04:35:53] <usney2> the one I selected a while back is running really slow
533 [04:36:13] <rant> usney2: use deb.debian.org
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535 [04:37:18] <themill> usney2: reliable is much more important than fast
536 [04:37:55] <rant> dpkg, kexec =~ s:-2.:-2 (Debian 7 Wheezy).:
537 [04:37:55] <dpkg> wish i knew, rant
538 [04:38:09] <rant> dpkg, kexec =~ s/-2./-2 (Debian 7 Wheezy)./
539 [04:38:09] <dpkg> OK, rant
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543 [04:39:34] <rant> dpkg, what is deb.debian.org?
544 [04:39:35] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
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558 [04:46:06] <usney2> how do I setup deb.debian.org in the sources.lst file?
559 [04:46:12] <usney2> haven't done that in awhile
560 [04:46:20] <usney2> but I guess once I look at it I can figure it out
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562 [04:46:39] <awal1> !sources.list
563 [04:46:40] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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565 [04:47:16] <usney2> how do I know which version of debian I am using?
566 [04:47:44] <awal1> replaced-url
567 [04:47:44] <sc_> cat /etc/issue
568 [04:48:04] <awal1> lsb_release -a
569 [04:48:09] <usney2> rant I noticed once I changed my network to use the usb free software doggie now the upgrade is working much much faster
570 [04:48:18] <usney2> I guess the card is really old
571 [04:48:37] <usney2> the internal one
572 [04:48:50] <usney2> at least the old laptop uses usb2 instead of 1
573 [04:48:53] <JackFrost> Isn't deb822 format more fun?
574 [04:49:08] <usney2> what is deb822?
575 [04:49:41] <usney2> !dpkg deb822
576 [04:49:57] <usney2> !deb822
577 [04:50:06] <usney2> :(
578 [04:51:14] <JackFrost> `man sources.list` has a section 'DEB822-STYLE FORMAT', but that's just a different style to have for your sources list.
579 [04:51:49] <JackFrost> replaced-url
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582 [04:53:02] <usney2> how do I setup sshd to auto start after a reboot?
583 [04:53:47] <themill> no setup is required
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590 [04:59:23] <awal1> usney2 , run cat /etc/apt/sources.list and paste on paste.debian.org
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593 [05:01:17] <usney2> awal1 I am running a command line only system on that debian computer
594 [05:01:28] <usney2> so I'll have to cat to a file
595 [05:01:39] <usney2> then copy from ssh
596 [05:01:44] <awal1> use pastebinit
597 [05:02:52] <usney2> wish I had this remote stuff setup already
598 [05:03:01] <usney2> I don't need any help awall
599 [05:03:29] <usney2> I'll fix it tomorrow I need to be up at 5am tomorrow for work good night everyone!
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631 [05:33:18] <blackswan> i have written a program which is intended for use in pipelines. i have named it "maybe", but there is already a debian package by that name, so i want to come up with a new name for it. here is what it does:
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633 [05:35:07] <blackswan> "maybe PROGRAM [ARGUMENTS...]" will wait for input to be available on its standard input, and if such input becomes available, will exec PROGRAM, passing it the provided ARGUMENTS
634 [05:35:14] <blackswan> otherwise, it will exit.
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638 [05:37:04] <blackswan> does anybody have any suggestions for a good name?
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643 [05:43:43] <rant> how is this different from xargs?
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647 [05:44:56] <themill> rant: xargs turns stdin into positional arguments; this leaves it as stdin
648 [05:45:09] <klys> blackswan, `fill'.
649 [05:45:34] <blackswan> fill? why fill?
650 [05:45:52] <klys> becasue you wait for the input to fill in the blank
651 [05:45:54] <themill> Needs a nice pun on piping...
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654 [05:46:17] <blackswan> yes, i can't think of a piping pun though
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656 [05:46:55] <themill> picking words is a pretty fraught choice though, see 'dune', 'node', ...
657 [05:47:01] <rant> it sounds like xargs -r -n0 to me
658 [05:47:16] <themill> rant: nope
659 [05:47:49] <rant> well then I dont see its utility :P
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661 [05:47:54] <blackswan> does xargs exec() the program? the whole point of this is for it to vanish if not needed.
662 [05:48:05] <rant> xargs -r doesn't
663 [05:48:10] <themill> blackswan: --no-run-if-empty
664 [05:48:18] <blackswan> and not waste time basically being 'cat' if it is.
665 [05:48:50] <blackswan> and look prettier in a script than redirecting to a temp file, checking to see if the file exists, and then running something
666 [05:48:57] <blackswan> er, is nonzero
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668 [05:49:03] <blackswan> nonempty
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671 [05:49:52] <blackswan> themill: are you seriously suggesting i give the program a name that starts with two dashes?
672 [05:50:06] <themill> no, that's the xargs option rant is talking about
673 [05:50:10] <rant> its an option alias for -r with xargs
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676 [05:50:31] <rant> does the program this runs get the stdin from the pipe as its stdin?
677 [05:50:57] <klys> that's the way I thought he said
678 [05:50:59] <themill> (write it in C and add it to moreutils)
679 [05:51:32] <blackswan> yes
680 [05:52:14] <rant> ifin, runpipe, maygin..
681 [05:52:35] * rant could probably come up with more possible names
682 [05:52:55] <rant> maygin is a goofy spelling of a girls name, and could be short for may-get-input
683 [05:52:57] <rant> heh
684 [05:53:13] <blackswan> i wrote it because i have various cron jobs that check things and may or may not produce output; if there is output, i want to mail it, but only if there is output
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687 [05:54:45] <rant> just know if you use a term I coined I will surely tell everyone I came up with it :P Not concerned with credit per-se just proud of stupid terms I come up with like SNS Syndrome :P
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689 [05:56:38] <blackswan> hm. mexec?
690 [05:56:57] <rant> personally I kinda like maygin.. close to your name, functional, and sounds like a girls name.. which there is history of people giving female names to their cars, guitars, etc
691 [05:56:57] <blackswan> mayb
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693 [05:57:49] <blackswan> maygin is the best of yours
694 [05:58:07] <rant> doesnt sound derivitive
695 [05:58:37] <blackswan> but i think i like just dropping the e better.
696 [05:58:53] <rant> it is a lil long for a simple program
697 [05:59:01] <blackswan> creat
698 [05:59:39] <blackswan> maybe i should just call it mab
699 [05:59:42] <rant> yeah, I wouldnt wanna be derivitive personally, it'd confuse me.. I tend to for my personal use make abbreviations though
700 [06:00:09] <blackswan> which would confuse you?
701 [06:00:25] <rant> if I had a program I used called maybe and another called mayb or something
702 [06:00:40] <rant> especially if they were not similar programs
703 [06:00:50] <rant> I'd forget which was which at times
704 [06:01:55] <rant> I knew a girl once called maygin and thought it was stupid way to spell megan cause it has gin not gan in it.. but sounded more appropriate here.. its just 6 chars which seems a bit much for something simple
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706 [06:04:50] <rant> I'm personally ripping apart broken Thinkpad T61's to attempt to make a cluster with them.. got no clue what sort of software to use yet..
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708 [06:05:31] <rant> nor do I know how I should mount the boards.. but seems silly to keep them in broken thinkpad cases
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715 [06:14:05] <rant> all I know right now is, I'm hoping to cluster 4 of them with debian probably running off 32GB thumbdrives or PXE booted ram drives..idk
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720 [06:16:13] <rant> the details just make my head hurt right now.. idk if the discrete nvidia quadro nvs 140m would be of any use or not..
721 [06:16:30] <rant> wanna use em for ffmpeg encoding
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724 [06:16:56] <naribia> hello. I have a program (electrum - bitcoin wallet) installed on debian 9, GUI environment
725 [06:17:15] <naribia> if I type in the search, for electrum, the program shows up, and I can open it
726 [06:17:25] <naribia> however I also have compiled the program from source, a newer version
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728 [06:17:50] <naribia> where is the version installed that shows up in the search?
729 [06:18:41] <rant> naribia: what search?
730 [06:18:51] <naribia> eh
731 [06:19:28] <naribia> like, app search, also using the keyboard windows key
732 [06:19:38] <rant> apt search? find? locate? gnome's app menu search? I could think of hundreds of possible "searches" in debian
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735 [06:20:05] <rant> if its desktop related, its probably operating on a .desktop file either global or in the homedir
736 [06:20:53] <rant> i.e. /usr/share/applications/ or ~/.local/share/applications
737 [06:22:02] <aaro> naribia: which electrum
738 [06:22:03] <naribia> ok I see it under /usr/share/applications/electrum.desktop
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740 [06:22:09] <rant> once you find the desktop file you look at the exec= line if its not using a full path then its using the system $PATH and you figure that out with which electrum
741 [06:22:14] <naribia> which electrum did not have results
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745 [06:23:53] <rant> copying that file to ~/.local/share/ shoule override the system-wide one and you can change the exec= line
746 [06:24:11] <naribia> rant: copying the compiled version?
747 [06:24:15] <Gigglebyte> Anyone alive and BREATHING ???
748 [06:24:15] <rant> erm ~/.local/share/applications
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751 [06:25:10] <rant> naribia: the .desktop file from /usr/share/applications its not a binary, its a .desktop config file.. plain text
752 [06:25:17] <rant> it merely defines using the free desktop standard, how to setup launchers in GUI for the program
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755 [06:25:24] <Gigglebyte> I am having trouble installing linux and wondering if someone can figure out why a Dell, model P28F laptop can not detect a fully functioning Debian boot USB stick. The image of the bios is at replaced-url
756 [06:25:37] <rant> Gigglebyte: nope.. we're all dead and rotting
757 [06:25:46] <naribia> rant: right, so if I delete the .desktop file as well as the binary it points to via exec=, will that be the extent of the uninstall?
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759 [06:26:16] <Gigglebyte> rant> Any idea why I can't install linux? The things in the bios indicate replaced-url
760 [06:26:21] <rant> naribia: uh no.. what are you trying to do.. uninstall the one you compiled from source?
761 [06:26:27] <Gigglebyte> The boot stick is good, and the install stick was created last summer.
762 [06:26:33] <naribia> rant: trying to uninstall the .desktop version
763 [06:26:48] <rant> naribia: which is the one you compiled from source?
764 [06:27:00] <naribia> rant: well now I am, I was also just curious how the desktop version was installed
765 [06:27:18] <rant> o.O
766 [06:27:39] <naribia> rant: the newer version I compiled from source, its not installed, just in a directory I compiled it in, and I'm not sure if both are referencing the same config folder, regardless I want to uninstall the .desktop version
767 [06:27:44] <rant> naribia: dpkg -l electrum
768 [06:28:11] <naribia> dpkg-query: no packages found matching electrum
769 [06:28:29] <rant> hmm..
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775 [06:30:01] <rant> naribia: can you figure out what version it is at least? does it have a Help>About or a command line option like --help or --version ?
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777 [06:30:35] <naribia> the actual version? yeah its 3.3.3
778 [06:30:38] <rant> naribia: replaced-url
779 [06:30:41] <naribia> compiled is the newer 3.3.4
780 [06:31:20] <rant> none of the debian repos have a version 3.3.3
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782 [06:31:27] <rant> ,v electrum
783 [06:31:28] <judd> Package: electrum on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 2.7.9-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 3.1.3-1~bpo9+1; sid: 3.2.3-1
784 [06:31:47] <rant> naribia: must have been compiled or installed by someone *shrug*
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786 [06:32:50] <rant> naribia: according to pdo it only has a binary, desktop file, manpage, and in debian anyhow, some news/release/changelog/copyright files in /usr/share/doc/electrum
787 [06:33:12] <naribia> rant: pdo ?
788 [06:33:25] <rant> naribia: see the link I gave you above
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790 [06:33:40] <naribia> ok, so that shows supposedly all the files included int he install, I can just delete them manually?
791 [06:34:06] <rant> naribia: its what would be included in the debian packages.. who knows where you got it from or what it installed :P
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794 [06:34:16] <naribia> :/
795 [06:34:31] <rant> naribia: if your package manager doesnt know about it, and you dont know where it came from, then sure. use that filelist as a guide and delete away :P
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797 [06:34:40] <naribia> okay :)
798 [06:34:46] <naribia> alrighty well thanks then
799 [06:34:59] <naribia> by the way
800 [06:35:07] <naribia> why doesn't the package manager know about it?
801 [06:35:40] <rant> I was just tryin to make sure 1) your package manager didnt install it and thus couldnt remove it, and 2) you didnt perhaps install this version from source with say a "make install" where you could just "make uninstall"
802 [06:36:11] <rant> the package manager doesnt know about it because apparently you didnt install a debian package for it.. you must've used a binary or source tarball or something
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811 [06:37:05] <rant> you may still wanna keep that .desktop file
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815 [06:37:28] <rant> copy it to ~/.local/share/applications and modify it for the version you compiled
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820 [06:37:53] <rant> cause randomly compiled crap sitting in a dir usually doesnt integrate with desktop environments
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841 [06:40:44] <naribia> ok I see thanks ^^
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1046 [07:25:55] <__m4ch1n3__> marked in synaptic systemd for unintall and in the same moment the browser opened this replaced-url
1047 [07:26:10] <__m4ch1n3__> thats spooky af
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1076 [08:08:33] <beavis> ok so i'm on buster and sometimes ssh client refuses to log in to my server and i need to reboot
1077 [08:08:42] <beavis> i mean i need to reboot the client
1078 [08:08:57] <beavis> which service to restart to avoid rebooting?
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1080 [08:09:37] <beavis> i mean which service i need to restart to avoid rebooting?
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1084 [08:10:41] <beavis> also, suspending takes too much time after closing the lid
1085 [08:10:42] <cheapie> beavis: Which end do you have to restart, the server or the client?
1086 [08:10:42] <themill> Can you elaborate on "refuses to log in"
1087 [08:10:48] <beavis> cheapie: client
1088 [08:10:58] <cheapie> That's... odd :P
1089 [08:11:09] <beavis> themill: well i use keys and just do ssh <ip>
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1091 [08:11:16] <beavis> and sometimes it just hangs on it
1092 [08:11:29] <beavis> after i reboot the client i'm able to log in again
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1094 [08:12:35] <beavis> maybe it's because gnome ssh agent?
1095 [08:14:05] <beavis> q
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1097 [08:17:53] <themill> adding some verbosity to ssh would be sensible at this stage (on client at least; on server too perhaps)
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1101 [08:22:03] <beavis> yeah i'll make it verbose next time it happens
1102 [08:22:14] <beavis> tho i had no problems of such on stretch
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1114 [08:29:41] <t3st3r> <beavis> and sometimes it just hangs on it <- looking dmesg and journalctl for logs and possible errors or related events are 1st thing.
1115 [08:30:18] <t3st3r> another would be to run something like tcpdump to get idea what goes on on the net, it should give some ideas.
1116 [08:30:44] <beavis> what about suspend delay after closing the lid?
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1119 [08:31:41] <t3st3r> kernel and systemd also tend to log what they do on going to sleep - so looking on timings between log records could give idea.
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1123 [08:33:54] <ellyacht> can someone help me find a Linux distro that I can game on and also be able to adjust my laptops screen settings? On kali-Linux I'm able to adjust my screen to 120 Hz and do all kinds of stuff except game. But on Linuxmint I can game but I can't adjust screen settings it's a terrible distro
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1131 [08:39:43] <perseiver> ellyacht what do you want to achieve is not clear. Do you want to play game and adjust its size? Or you want to see desktop and play game by splitting the screen or similar?
1132 [08:41:02] <ellyacht> I want to have the same settings I have on kali Linux e17 on a different distro I can game on.
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1144 [08:51:44] <SerajewelKS> running xfce on debian and a ton of the icons are replaced with a red X, and themes don't apply in the appearances window
1145 [08:51:57] <SerajewelKS> what could be the cause of this? it's the only system i've seen this behavior on and i don't think the setup is unusual.
1146 [08:52:13] <nkuttler> which debian release?
1147 [08:52:17] <SerajewelKS> stretch
1148 [08:52:47] <SerajewelKS> other X programs act a bit odd too. ardour crashes immediately after selecting an audio engine.
1149 [08:53:01] <nkuttler> SerajewelKS: is this a new system, or did all of that use to work?
1150 [08:53:12] <SerajewelKS> it's not a new system but it hasn't run X before
1151 [08:54:02] <nkuttler> well, it sounds like your themes were not installed correctly. i would try 1. with a different user account. 2. reinstall xfce and make sure all recommends etc are included
1152 [08:54:11] <nkuttler> the audio issue seems unrelated
1153 [08:54:28] <SerajewelKS> it's not an audio issue because i'm connecting to jack with the dummy backend
1154 [08:54:41] <SerajewelKS> e.g. there's no real audio hardware being used
1155 [08:55:23] <SerajewelKS> the crash happens in gtkmm and considering that there's some weird gtk things going on, my strong suspicion is that they're related
1156 [08:55:26] <nkuttler> let's focus on one problem at a time
1157 [08:56:41] <SerajewelKS> new account shows the same behaviors
1158 [08:57:23] <nkuttler> ok, so it's not your user profile. but if you configured apt accordingly, you might not have pulled in the necessary packages
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1160 [08:57:44] <nkuttler> SerajewelKS: apt-cache policy xfce4
1161 [08:58:10] <SerajewelKS> *** 4.12.3 500 500 replaced-url
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1165 [09:00:10] <SerajewelKS> all recommends are installed but the suggests gtk3-engines-xfce is not
1166 [09:00:16] <SerajewelKS> but i didn't think xfce used gtk3 yet
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1168 [09:00:33] <SerajewelKS> let's see what happens if i install this
1169 [09:01:24] <SerajewelKS> did not change a thing
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1171 [09:01:59] <SerajewelKS> is there something that vncserver should be doing but isn't doing during session startup?
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1177 [09:05:38] <SerajewelKS> hmmmm. i started xfce by way of lightdm on a VT and there's still no panel icons, but there are now menu icons and appearance selection is working. so something's fucky with vncserver.
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1182 [09:09:52] <t3st3r> SerajewelKS> as idea you can also try to run xfce4-appearance-settings from console (most notably graphic terminal in session) - maybe it would spit some meaningful errors?
1183 [09:10:39] <SerajewelKS> only thing it tells me is that the RANDR extension is missing
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1187 [09:11:17] <t3st3r> also .xsession-errors can give some ideas on what's wrong - maybe there're some errors or so?
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1190 [09:12:49] <SerajewelKS> xfwm complains about missing xrender, xrandr, xcomposite, xdamage, and xfixes
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1192 [09:13:07] <SerajewelKS> not sure that's related
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1196 [09:14:07] <SerajewelKS> it's all very strange and i'm not sure why
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1198 [09:14:33] <SerajewelKS> i run xfce4 with ardour on another linux machine just fine. no idea why this one doesn't seem to like either. though xfce doesn't seem to like whatever the X VNC server does.
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1204 [09:15:23] <SerajewelKS> aha, xfsettingsd is crashing
1205 [09:15:49] <SerajewelKS> (xfsettingsd:13324): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_hash_table_destroy: assertion 'hash_table != NULL' failed
1206 [09:15:54] <SerajewelKS> then everything starts going downhill
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1210 [09:16:48] <SerajewelKS> apparently this is a semi-documented issue between xfce4 and limited X servers
1211 [09:17:16] <SerajewelKS> i still don't know why ardour is crashing on startup
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1213 [09:17:27] <SerajewelKS> that happened even on X with a physical display
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1222 [09:24:47] <t3st3r> SerajewelKS> excuse me, are you using some limited X server, etc?
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1224 [09:25:14] <SerajewelKS> vncserver
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1282 [09:59:18] <beavis> ok what about suspend delay after closing the lid?
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1284 [09:59:39] <beavis> i';d liek it to suspend instantly but i need to wait around 25 seconds before it suspends
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1286 [09:59:57] <beavis> (on debian 10)
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1293 [10:05:14] <__m4ch1n3__> huh! so it is possible to give additional packages to debian installer as bootargument? preseed/late_command="in-target apt-get install -y foo bar"
1294 [10:05:33] <__m4ch1n3__> found it here replaced-url
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1298 [10:09:27] <__m4ch1n3__> could i install in that way packages during installaton from latest stretch iso?
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1303 [10:12:22] <__m4ch1n3__> [...]
1304 [10:12:22] <__m4ch1n3__> If not using a preseed file, this can be added to the boot arguments instead by hitting TAB at the boot menu on the desired entry and appending the above preseed line at the end of the boot command. [...]
1305 [10:13:20] <__m4ch1n3__> that slash in keyname looks weired
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1314 [10:17:40] <__m4ch1n3__> !preseed
1315 [10:17:41] <dpkg> [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See replaced-url
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1328 [10:24:03] <beavis> will gnome be stil patched in buster?
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1330 [10:24:09] <beavis> as in bugfixes etc
1331 [10:24:37] <beavis> aparently the delay lays on the gnome side, systemctl suspend works properly
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1359 [10:40:56] <SerajewelKS> !buster
1360 [10:40:56] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. replaced-url
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1363 [10:41:24] <SerajewelKS> beavis: buster is already frozen, so maybe. if it's an RC bug.
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1419 [11:22:45] <fireba11> another happy stretch system :-) (one of my last jessie upgrades, i know i'm late :-P)
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1572 [12:56:57] <CrazyTux> are older kernels more suitable for older computers?
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1574 [12:58:03] <e3d3> How can I share the configuration of synaptic package manager between computers ?
1575 [12:58:16] <blackflow> CrazyTux: Only if newer kernels dropped a vital feature for the older computer to run, which is rather unlikely except when it comes to 32-bit, which is still supported, so basically..... "normally no". :)
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1577 [12:58:42] <CrazyTux> blackflow, ok
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1617 [13:20:09] <dennis_345> Could anyone help with debugging udev rule? I have a disk encrypted with LUKS, it gets automatically decrypted using entry in /etc/crypttab "c0 UUID=7c5785f5-dbb1-47c3-b39e-164176f123e9 /etc/luks/0.key luks", on the LUKS volume I have a dm-integrity volume which needs to be started using command "integritysetup open /dev/mapper/c0 i0" I want system to automatically open dm-integrity volume on boot. I
1618 [13:20:09] <dennis_345> put an udev rule "ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTR{DM_NAME}=="c0", RUN+="/usr/sbin/integritysetup open /dev/%k i0"" into "/etc/udev/rules.d/99-integrity.rules" but it looks like the rule does not fire because upon reboot I see c0 device, but not i0. I am running Debian testing with all updates installed. Thanks.
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1623 [13:21:55] <e3d3> Does anyone know how to save the configuration of "synaptic package manager", the GUI, (not the packages) ?
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1651 [13:42:25] <t3st3r> dennis_345> udevadm monitor could allow to see events on hotplug. Also udevadm show <device> could display attributes as udev sees them.
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1654 [13:43:12] <t3st3r> though I'm not sure how far this applicable to encrypted dryves, I've been trying more mundane things.
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1673 [13:55:43] <kab0m> Hello everyone :9
1674 [13:55:46] <kab0m> :)
1675 [13:55:55] <kab0m> How do i force debian to use the dns-servers defined in /etc/network/interfaces instead of the ones in /etc/resolv.conf?
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1682 [13:59:27] <dennis_345> t3st3r: Can I use udevadm monitor if the disk is connected using SATA and is not hotplugable? I get unknown operation error for "udevadm show", do you mean "udevadm info"? Here is output of my "udevadm info": replaced-url
1683 [13:59:56] <diogenes_> kab0m, maybe with dnsmasq
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1685 [14:01:29] <kab0m> diogenes_: i am using dnsmasq allready. What i need is dnsmasq using the resolv.conf while the system(debian) should avoid resolv.conf and read the dns-servers from the interfaces-files only? How to do that?
1686 [14:02:16] <blackflow> "system should avoid resolv.conf" -- what do you mean by that.
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1688 [14:02:59] <blackflow> /etc/resolv.conf is THE resolver configuration file. the only question is WHAT configures it: the user, DHCP, or something else.
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1693 [14:07:39] <kab0m> blackflow: Ok, then how can i tell the system to not use the resolver configuration-file and use the dns-servers defined in the interfaces file? The thing is i try to share a vpn-connection and i get dns leaks because dnsmasq AND the system use the dns-server specified in resolv.conf...if i could tell the system to not use resolv.conf BUT the dns-servers used in the interfaces file i could set resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1(where dnsmasq is
1694 [14:07:39] <kab0m> nning) and avoid dns-leaks to the cleints that use the connection from this machine. I hope this is not to confusing
1695 [14:08:03] <kab0m> *too
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1700 [14:12:52] <blackflow> kab0m: you can't. /etc/resolver.conf is THE central resolver configuration file. glibc consults that. everything that needs DNS resolution using glibc (pretty much every program except those that can be configured with some specific upstream resolver directly) will consult resolv.conf
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1705 [14:13:35] <blackflow> kab0m: so the right question is how to configure resolv.conf with desired upstream resolvers. what exactly do you want to achieve? static config via e/n/i? DHCP based config?
1706 [14:13:50] <blackflow> /etc/resolv.conf above (typo'd)
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1712 [14:21:05] <kab0m> blackflow: hmm...i see. What i try to achieve is the following: I have a machine that connects to a vpn-service via openvpn and shares this connection with the computers on the network.It acts kinda liek a vpn-router. When the vpn connects it run the script "/etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf" which updates the resolv.conf file with the dns-servers provided by the vpn-service BUT this does not remove the allready present dns-entry (8.8.8.
1713 [14:21:05] <kab0m> in the resolv.conf which then leads to dns-leaks. So, when i set the resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1(dnsmasq) the vpn cant connect anymore because it needs dns to resolve the names...but when i leave it how it is, all machines connected gets dns-leaks. So how to achieve this? I tried two tutorials on this but both failed. replaced-url
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1722 [14:26:46] <rebrec> hello
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1729 [14:29:01] <rebrec> i have a question about apt, i was looking for a package called prelude-correlator. When i do a apt policy prelude-correlator, i get a Candidate version of 1.0.0-1.1 from url replaced-url
1730 [14:29:01] <rebrec> ar more recent version available in the repository : 4.1.1-2 Could someone help me understand why my apt doesn't offer me to get this recent version please ?
1731 [14:30:42] <rebrec> kab0m what is the content of /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf ? if this script is run and after its execution you don't get what you expect, i would guess that the script need modifications / improvements no ?
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1735 [14:32:59] <kab0m> rebrec: thanks for the hint. i tested the same script with ubuntu and its working without a problem there. So i guess this is debian related. the script can be found here replaced-url
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1741 [14:38:33] <kab0m> rebrec: i mean, yes you are right - one could alter the script to remove the allready present dns-entry. but i just want to understand how this config works for other people (using ubuntu) but not on my debian machine :shrug:
1742 [14:39:43] <rebrec> ubuntu is based on debian so i would doubt it's a debian problem. Perhaps you have other services running under debian that interfere with the update of resolv.conf. Anyway, i would suggest trying to troubleshoot your script by modifying it (after making a backup if you are unsure of what you are doing of course). You may first log every parameters
1743 [14:39:43] <rebrec> received by the script for instance a line like this one : "echo $* >> /tmp/mylog.log" then you could also at the end of the script make a copy of the just modified resolv.conf to some other place to see if at the end of the script execution, your resolv.conf is as expected or not
1744 [14:40:28] <jmcnaught> kab0m: are you using resolvconf?
1745 [14:40:55] <jmcnaught> rebrec: those other versions are likely for other releases of Ubuntu but you're better off asking in #ubuntu about that
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1747 [14:41:40] <kab0m> jmcnaught: no, resolvconf is not installed on the debian machine. but it was on a another ubuntu machine, but i had to remove it to get things to work as expected
1748 [14:41:59] <kab0m> *to work as expected on the ubuntu machine
1749 [14:42:10] <rebrec> ha ok jmcnaught thanks, may i ask how you know / find that it is for another version please ? i mean i suppose there is a way to do what apt does by hand but i don't know how
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1756 [14:44:13] <jmcnaught> rebrec: replaced-url
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1760 [14:46:48] <rebrec> thanks a lot jmcnaught
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1762 [14:46:55] <rebrec> you made my day :)
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1765 [14:49:21] <kab0m> It is strange..here the documentation says: replaced-url
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1767 [14:50:48] <rebrec> Kab0m did you tried what i ´ve suggested ?
1768 [14:52:38] <kab0m> rebrec: yes i did, thank you for this hint ;) but as this scripts are written by openvpn(i guess) i dont want to alter them but i want to understand how to alter debian to do what i want. i mean, if there is something stated in a debian-documentation it should work right? but i does not.
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1785 [15:07:13] <Deihmos> i am new to linux but tried ubuntu in the past
1786 [15:07:30] <Deihmos> shouldn't the software app in debian be able to install deb files?
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1793 [15:12:09] <nkuttler> Deihmos: um, yes, but only debian packages. getting packages from random sources is guaranteed to lead to breakage sooner or later
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1795 [15:13:10] <Deihmos> tried to install chrome deb. i remember it working in ubuntu but on debian it says not supported
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1800 [15:15:39] <nkuttler> !errors
1801 [15:15:39] <dpkg> If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
1802 [15:16:36] <Deihmos> opened it in the software app to install. it says not supported.
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1805 [15:17:17] <nkuttler> i don't know what the software app is.. can you open a terminal, and dpkg -i the.deb it?
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1811 [15:22:41] <Deihmos> nevermind. found gdebi
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1861 [15:54:12] <de-facto> what is the best pattern to create a system user for a service from scripts?
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1890 [16:08:12] <urxtnw> I see, when it comes to other distros based on debian like ubuntu,is it possible cannonical does something under the hood that users can't check?
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1908 [16:16:31] <LikWidChz> Rando question for you guys, when you start editing the sources.list file it mostly always pulls in newer versions of the packages. Are those packages considered non stable?
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1917 [16:21:48] <urxtnw> what would be the main difference between debian minimal install and an ubuntu minimal install. Just packages and repository?
1918 [16:22:50] <LikWidChz> I think the debian minimal is seriously minimal. I actually installed that the other day
1919 [16:23:08] <LikWidChz> unbuntu has a ton more stuff packaged in it.
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1921 [16:24:20] <LikWidChz> ... random idea for you, have you thought about creating a VM and trying both out??
1922 [16:24:45] <urxtnw> I see, I did, but it's hard to know what goes inside the hood as a not so advanced user
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1924 [16:25:01] <urxtnw> if I minimally install both and just install the packages it all looks the same in the end
1925 [16:25:33] <urxtnw> and I'd like to learn more about linux in general, that's why I was asking
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1927 [16:26:15] <LikWidChz> well i'm not much of an expert either, run df . -h on both, I think that was the command it will tell you what amount of space each takes up. You can run top and services --status-all and see what stuff is running. In the end though whats your goal?
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1930 [16:27:32] <urxtnw> I would like just a distro for home use, that is stable but not too old, but also one which is not bloated (which is why i mentioned minimal install)
1931 [16:27:45] <urxtnw> but very good advice you gave me about running df and services
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1933 [16:28:39] <LikWidChz> I mean honestly most of the shit out there today is pretty stable. It seriously depends on what you want to do with it. Like if you wanted to build a nas , use debian minimal and add on what you need.
1934 [16:29:01] <urxtnw> LikWidChz, makes sense, thank you so much
1935 [16:29:02] <LikWidChz> which would technically be maybe just samba? and mdadm.
1936 [16:29:33] <LikWidChz> Yeah, you can seriously go down a rabbit hole with things like this and never surface.
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1939 [16:30:04] <urxtnw> definitely
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1944 [16:31:32] <jmcnaught> I've seen a lot of users shoot themselves in the foot trying for a minimal install then spending hours trying to figure out why something isn't working, only for it to be some recommended packages are missing
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1946 [16:32:08] <LikWidChz> ha, its a little cryptic sometimes I have found.
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1949 [16:33:12] <urxtnw> jmcnaught, yeah but the reason for doing that is to learn in the first place
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1951 [16:33:25] <LikWidChz> best way to start. dive in head first.
1952 [16:33:29] <urxtnw> jmcnaught, and using the manual helps a lot
1953 [16:33:52] <LikWidChz> I started learning with slackware, then went to gentoo... two most pain in the ass distros
1954 [16:34:08] <urxtnw> yeah, slackware has no dependency resolution
1955 [16:34:15] <urxtnw> i assume it's really hard
1956 [16:34:27] <LikWidChz> command line = it doesn't work. fuck you try again.
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1995 [16:48:49] <tyrsen1> When I boot my PC, immediately after GRUB ui it says this right before asking for disk decrypt password. Any ideas how I can remove the errors? Previously I had a bunch of lvmetad errors before setting use_lvmetad to 0
1996 [16:48:50] <tyrsen1> Volume group "Debian" not found Cannot process volume group Debian Volume group "Debian" not found Cannot process volume group Debian Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while... Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while...
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2000 [16:50:03] <blackflow> tyrsen1: is your LVM atop of or under LUKS? Do you have any non standard grub command lines? is crypttab correct?
2001 [16:50:15] <blackflow> s/command lines/kernel command line options/
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2009 [16:50:59] <tyrsen1> to all of the above.... where should i check? debian is the only OS on this PC if that helps, was installed using debian installer default options with full disk wipe
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2016 [16:53:41] <tyrsen1> @blackflow replaced-url
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2020 [16:55:58] <tyrsen1> did that go through? some bot just sent me a bunch of message when i put it
2021 [16:56:20] <blackflow> tyrsen1: yes but I have no idea what to do with it. it answers none of my questions.
2022 [16:56:29] <tyrsen1> ok, what do you need?
2023 [16:56:43] <blackflow> I asked you about your LVM+LUKS layout, grub config and crypttab and you ran blkid. might as well tell me that it's sunny outside.
2024 [16:56:58] <tyrsen1> in grub config the only thing i changed was to set default timeout to 1 instead of 5
2025 [16:57:06] <tyrsen1> i have no idea about lvm+luks
2026 [16:57:12] <tyrsen1> nor crypttab
2027 [16:57:18] <blackflow> well how did you set it up? it didn't set up itself
2028 [16:57:29] <tyrsen1> as i said, i just used debian installer
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2031 [16:57:50] <tyrsen1> and went with default configuration
2032 [16:57:55] <tyrsen1> for a blank disk
2033 [16:58:03] <tyrsen1> so however it does, is what i have
2034 [16:58:19] <blackflow> tyrsen1: alright. what's the output of `mount | grep " / "` ? should be one line that you can paste here
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2037 [16:58:40] <blackflow> iirc the installer does LVM atop of LUKS, but let's check that
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2041 [16:59:21] <tyrsen1> . /dev/mapper/Debian-root on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)
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2047 [17:01:13] <blackflow> tyrsen1: and running vgscan will show Debian-root part of a pc thats LUKS /dev/mapper/... as well?
2048 [17:01:40] <tyrsen1> vgscan not found
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2050 [17:02:05] <blackflow> tyrsen1: is lvm2 package installed?
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2053 [17:02:18] <tyrsen1> yes
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2055 [17:03:26] <blackflow> tyrsen1: ah your /sbin is probably no in the PATH.... try /sbin/vgscan then or use sudo
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2057 [17:03:38] <blackflow> (iirc vgscan doesn't need root)
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2059 [17:04:10] <tyrsen1> yea sudo works, one sec lemme get the output pasted
2060 [17:04:18] <blackflow> tyrsen1: also post here contents of /etc/crypttab if it's one line, pastebin if it's not (don't bother with comments)
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2064 [17:05:00] <tyrsen1> replaced-url
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2068 [17:06:02] <tyrsen1> and /etc/crypttab says nvme.... UUID=.... none luks
2069 [17:06:24] <tyrsen1> sorry i have irc running on a computer that isn't the one being diagnosed so i'll copy directly only if needed
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2071 [17:08:54] <blackflow> tyrsen1: it's only needed to figure out if the crypttab entry is for a correct device and that LVM is using unlocked LUKS container for pvs
2072 [17:09:09] <tyrsen1> ok well that's what the line says, i'm assuming the uuid is irrelevant
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2074 [17:09:18] <blackflow> tyrsen1: btw, this is Stretch, right? iirc there are some issues with buster and initramfs no longer automatically using cryptsetup something something
2075 [17:09:23] <tyrsen1> yes, debian 9
2076 [17:10:33] <blackflow> tyrsen1: and whats the ouput of `cat /proc/cmdline` should also be one line you can post here
2077 [17:11:07] <rozie> hi
2078 [17:11:25] <tyrsen1> BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.9.0-8-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/Debian-root ro quiet
2079 [17:11:30] <rozie> will install Debian (unstable) using installer and netinstall in a moment
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2084 [17:11:58] <rozie> using replaced-url
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2088 [17:12:49] <rozie> should I take a closer look during installation on anything? askin about installer testing
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2091 [17:13:11] <tyrsen1> this is probably a dumb question but could it be because it's looking for Debian not Debian-root? or is that one of them 'thats not how it works' things
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2113 [17:22:01] <GNU\colossus> whoa
2114 [17:22:04] <GNU\colossus> new release today?
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2116 [17:23:11] <blackflow> tyrsen1: it shouldn't. initramfs scripts are looking at the device root is mounted on, which is the Debian-root lv (probably part of "Debian" vg). thing is, initramfs scripts should know to unlock the LUKS containers _first_, before VGs are activated and root found for mounting.
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2118 [17:23:34] <GNU\colossus> seems like 9.8 is there: replaced-url
2119 [17:23:55] <zleap> confirmed i am running 9.8 I though the upgrade thing to day was big
2120 [17:24:00] <zleap> 45 packages
2121 [17:24:02] <blackflow> 9.8 has been announced yes, a week ago
2122 [17:24:03] <zleap> usually 2 or 3
2123 [17:24:07] <zleap> ah
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2125 [17:24:15] <GNU\colossus> blackflow, a week ago? where?
2126 [17:24:17] <blackflow> actually, 9.7 was out of order release due to apt
2127 [17:24:23] <blackflow> GNU\colossus: on the debian announce mailing list
2128 [17:24:40] <blackflow> without that apt emergency release, this would've been regularly scheduled 9.7 update
2129 [17:24:50] <GNU\colossus> replaced-url
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2134 [17:26:53] <zleap> that was due to the serious apt bug iirc
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2138 [17:28:49] <zleap> thats interesting my block has a rss feed from debian announcem, the last one is dated for debian 9.7 on 23rd Jan
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2140 [17:29:14] <blackflow> well I got the announcement in the mail (I'm sub'd to the mailing lists). I have no idea why it's not in the archives
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2144 [17:31:20] <tyrsen1> ok, so is there anything to do to remove the errors?
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2150 [17:34:04] <blackflow> tyrsen1: are they errors or warnings? does that root get mounted in the end?
2151 [17:34:13] <blackflow> I'm assuming it does since you've pasted info about i
2152 [17:34:15] <blackflow> *it
2153 [17:34:30] <tyrsen1> it immediately afterwards asks for disk decrypt password and everything works as normal from there
2154 [17:34:45] <tyrsen1> so it's just an inconvenience to my ocd, essentially
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2168 [17:40:17] <blackflow> tyrsen1: I hear ya :)
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2170 [17:40:50] <blackflow> tyrsen1: if I were you, I'd trace those errors into initramfs scripts and see at what point exactly they're being echoed. that might hint at what's missing
2171 [17:42:34] <blackflow> personally, I don't do LVM but ZFS, atop of LUKS, for which I debootstrap installations and have a custom initramfs script that unlocks remotely over ssh via a local-top script.
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2174 [17:42:48] <tyrsen1> i understood most of those words individually
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2176 [17:43:16] <tyrsen1> though have no idea how to implement your suggestion
2177 [17:43:41] <tyrsen1> i'll just ignore it for now, maybe when i have some time to really sit down and tinker i can figure something out
2178 [17:43:44] <blackflow> tyrsen1: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/... stuff and look up initramfs-tools(7) manpage for the explanation of the process
2179 [17:43:55] <tyrsen1> ok
2180 [17:44:00] <tyrsen1> thanks for the info
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2182 [17:44:25] <nr9032nsc6> Hello
2183 [17:44:35] <nr9032nsc6> When I do this from bash, it works and it keeps running:
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2185 [17:44:41] <nr9032nsc6> # /home/user/syncthing-linux-amd64-v0.14.52/syncthing > /dev/null 2>&1 &
2186 [17:45:13] <nr9032nsc6> However if I create a script file named "launchsync" with this content ^^ and then chmod +x launchsync
2187 [17:45:27] <nr9032nsc6> when I run launchsync, it stops immediately and doesn't keep running
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2189 [17:45:32] <blackflow> tyrsen1: the relevnt scripts are probably under /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/ (the manpage explains what local-top does -- step that unlocks devices and makes rootfs visible for mounting)
2190 [17:46:02] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: do you have a shebang line? the first line like #!/bin/sh or whatev ?
2191 [17:46:21] <nr9032nsc6> blackflow: I tried: #!/usr/bin/env bash
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2193 [17:47:00] <nr9032nsc6> and I tried yours but no change
2194 [17:47:23] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: add set +x first line below the #!
2195 [17:47:29] <blackflow> and observe the output
2196 [17:47:43] <blackflow> oh wait
2197 [17:47:48] <blackflow> you have that trailing &
2198 [17:47:53] <nr9032nsc6> yes
2199 [17:47:59] <nr9032nsc6> set +x didn't change anything
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2204 [17:48:28] <blackflow> try `nohup` instead (look up the manpage). but eh.... my suggestion? write a proper systemd service unit for it
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2206 [17:48:54] <nr9032nsc6> blackflow: yes i will use systemd for this, but first i wanted to understand this basic bash/sh thing
2207 [17:49:06] <nr9032nsc6> just for learning purposes and to know which does this script fail
2208 [17:49:14] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: just so we're on the same page. when you run `launchsync` it exits immediately, correct?
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2211 [17:49:45] <nr9032nsc6> blackflow: exactly
2212 [17:49:51] <nr9032nsc6> and i tried with nohup, same
2213 [17:49:53] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: well yes. you started /home/user/..../syncthing in the background. redirected all its output to devnull. of course the calling script wille xit immediately.
2214 [17:50:10] <blackflow> take a look at ps you probably have a bunch of /home/user/.../syncthing processes running now
2215 [17:50:20] <nr9032nsc6> no no i already ps aux |grep ...
2216 [17:50:22] <nr9032nsc6> but nothing
2217 [17:50:32] <blackflow> well then remove the devnull redirect and & and see the errors it produces
2218 [17:50:35] <nr9032nsc6> whereas when I type the exact same line from my bash prompt, it works
2219 [17:50:54] <blackflow> once you're sure it works as expected, you can redir its outputs to devnull.... or evenbeter, to a /home/usr/launchync.log :)
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2221 [17:51:35] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: right so start debugging by removing the stdout/stderr redirects. if you don't want it displayed, then redir to a file instead of devnull
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2223 [17:52:33] <tyrsen1> blackflow: there's 3 files in there: cryptopensc (not much in it), cryptroot and lvm2. deciphering their contents is way above me at the moment, so i'm just going to leave as is
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2226 [17:53:18] <nr9032nsc6> I'll retry
2227 [17:53:28] <nr9032nsc6> Thanks for your help blackflow
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2233 [17:57:22] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: "set +x didn't change anything" ... yes, sorry, it should be set -x (counterintuitively, - sets + resets)
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2235 [17:58:21] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: anyway, running the script should output all the commands it executes, at least you confirm the shell is executing properly. really should remove all redirections and observe errors it produces, I bet it does
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2238 [17:59:17] <nr9032nsc6> the problem was something else lol
2239 [17:59:23] <nr9032nsc6> i named it "launchsync" here on IRC
2240 [17:59:29] <nr9032nsc6> but on my machine I named the script "sync"
2241 [17:59:45] <nr9032nsc6> but when I did "sync", it did call *another* linux command called sync :D
2242 [17:59:46] <nr9032nsc6> haha
2243 [18:00:31] <blackflow> GNU\colossus: I knew I got it. it's debian-stable-announce ML. replaced-url
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2245 [18:01:01] <blackflow> and yeah, four days ago. my perception of time is sometimes.... unreal :)
2246 [18:01:22] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: lol
2247 [18:01:56] <blackflow> that set -x would've hinted. seeing no output, clear sign THAT particular script was not the one running ;)
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2254 [18:07:52] <nr9032nsc6> haha right :)
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2263 [18:11:06] <Tarrasquero> update topic 9.8
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2266 [18:11:19] <Tarrasquero> :)
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2290 [18:21:52] <quantum> For some reason when I reboot, wlan0 does not come up. (Armbian). Everything's set correctly,wlan0 has an IP, and seems up but is not associated. When I ifconfig wlan0 down/up then it associates just fine. replaced-url
2291 [18:23:15] <blackflow> quantum: that doesn't make any sense. wlan0 has an IP but it's not associated with an access point?
2292 [18:23:22] <blackflow> oh wait, is the IP a link local one?
2293 [18:23:44] <quantum> No the IP is a LAN RFFC1918.
2294 [18:24:02] <blackflow> so where did it get it from? static config?
2295 [18:24:09] <quantum> Yes
2296 [18:24:17] <quantum> Configs at bottom.
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2298 [18:24:26] <blackflow> and by "associated" you mean connected to an access point?
2299 [18:24:45] <quantum> Right, it's not. (As per the paste)
2300 [18:24:48] <blackflow> oh you have a pastebin, I missed that
2301 [18:25:54] <quantum> ... and it doesn't make any sense. How can it be up, but not associated?
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2306 [18:27:49] <blackflow> quantum: because the two are separate things/events, and at separate OSI layers. just like your ethernet NIC can get an IP with unplugged cable
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2308 [18:28:07] <blackflow> quantum: check journal, any errors wrt wpa supplicant trying to connect?
2309 [18:28:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
2310 [18:28:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> i need some assitance with my apache config for icinga
2311 [18:28:48] <quantum> Feb 12 09:02:16 sagitta.darkmatter.org wpa_supplicant[757]: Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
2312 [18:28:48] <quantum> Feb 12 09:02:17 sagitta.darkmatter.org wpa_supplicant[889]: Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
2313 [18:28:50] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am trying to get it to login via a form in html
2314 [18:29:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
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2316 [18:29:52] <blackflow> quantum: so it's not triggering the configuration at all?
2317 [18:30:07] <quantum> Seems like it should be a stepwise sequence -- associate, then run ifup.
2318 [18:30:42] <quantum> It's doing wpa daemon and ifup, but they don't seem connected.
2319 [18:31:09] <blackflow> different OSI layers. if you had DHCP then it'd be different
2320 [18:31:48] <quantum> I have a number of servers and traditionally haven't added the extra layer of dhcp.
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2324 [18:33:22] <blackflow> quantum: question is, why is wpa_supplicant not connecting. did you try run it manually from cli, without a service? it should tell you everything
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2326 [18:33:55] <quantum> I'll try to figure out the command.
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2328 [18:35:16] <blackflow> quantum: wpa_supplicant -d -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -i wlan0
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2330 [18:35:33] <blackflow> quantum: might need to specify -D as well, not sure
2331 [18:35:42] <quantum> Thx
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2336 [18:37:49] <quantum> hhhinteresting: replaced-url
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2339 [18:39:15] <blackflow> quantum: yeah make sure an instance is not already running (from that systemd service)
2340 [18:40:06] <quantum> I had stopped the wpa systemd, then ran the wpa command.deleted the socket and retarted the wpa service -- no associate. Rebooting now.
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2342 [18:40:35] <quantum> Still unassociated.
2343 [18:41:28] <quantum> Stopped the service and again have the ctrl_iface exists and seems to be in use - cannot override it
2344 [18:41:50] <quantum> It's ill-behaved, not removing its socket.
2345 [18:42:02] <quantum> ... although that's not my main problem.
2346 [18:42:25] <blackflow> you _are_ running that as root, right?
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2350 [18:44:11] <quantum> Yes
2351 [18:44:36] <quantum> I've been around many years and do everything as root.
2352 [18:44:58] <blackflow> did you try and remove that control interface, like the message suggested?
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2354 [18:46:39] <quantum> Yep, then ran the wpa command but no associate.
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2357 [18:48:11] <quantum> The wpa command then runs the daemon.
2358 [18:48:28] <blackflow> quantum: shouldn't, unless you also added -B to that list of options
2359 [18:48:33] <quantum> ... but still frickin' unassociated.
2360 [18:49:20] <quantum> It runs in foreground: # wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -i wlan0
2361 [18:49:38] <quantum> ... still unassociated.
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2363 [18:50:44] <quantum> The interface and wpa are not connected.
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2368 [18:52:05] <quantum> The interface seems to be igniring: wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
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2370 [18:52:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi guys can somebody help with apache setup
2371 [18:52:31] <quantum> I've definitely confirmed the file is there and named correctly.
2372 [18:52:36] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am trying to get bottom location login details to go into the dir match above
2373 [18:52:37] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
2374 [18:52:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> its for icinga
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2376 [18:53:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
2377 [18:53:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> some error
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2386 [18:58:46] <blackflow> quantum: why do you think it's ignoring?
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2389 [19:00:03] <quantum> Seems like that's the connection between the interface and wpa. Wpa should be what brings up association but that's not happening, even when I restart the wpa service..
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2391 [19:00:46] <quantum> Only with manual ifconfig wlan0 down/up will it associate.
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2395 [19:03:11] <quantum> Another weird thing: When I # ssh 10.2.1.22, I can log in even with the wlan0 interface unassociated, through the eth0 interface which is 10.2.1.23!
2396 [19:03:28] <quantum> I don't understand how this is possible.
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2398 [19:04:30] <blackflow> you're logging back to the same machine
2399 [19:04:53] <blackflow> daemons typically listen on all detected interfaces, except those who are designed primarily to run localhosts
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2401 [19:05:07] <quantum> Sure, but I'm targeting the wlan0 interface, not eth0.
2402 [19:05:08] <blackflow> (meaning your ssh.service will listen on that IP as well)
2403 [19:05:13] <blackflow> so what?
2404 [19:05:27] <blackflow> you're connecting to an IP. _again_ and this is _very_ important: different. OSI. layers :)
2405 [19:05:45] <quantum> Fine, but if I specify .22... how is it possible that I actually get in .23?
2406 [19:06:00] <blackflow> not sure what you're saying
2407 [19:06:15] <quantum> Don't know how to say it any clearer.
2408 [19:06:25] <blackflow> with a pastebin of what you're seeing :)
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2413 [19:07:55] <quantum> wlan0 is not associated, so it can not be communicating. I ssh to ints interface yet still get in? I must be getting in through eth0, even though I'd specified wlan0's IP.
2414 [19:08:54] <quantum> wlan0 interface is up, but the radio is not associated, so wlan0 must be answering up somehow through eth0.
2415 [19:09:56] <blackflow> no. which part of different OSI layers did you not understand? wifi and (TCP/)IP?
2416 [19:10:35] <blackflow> they are different layers. wlan0 the network stack interface can get an IP and work normally without being associated with an AP that's on _lower_ OSI layers.
2417 [19:11:17] <blackflow> you can ping it. you can connect to it and routing will know it's local machine. those packets will not leave the machine because there's no AP to send packets to, via lower OSI layers.
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2420 [19:11:50] <quantum> So I can magickly connect to it through no radio connexion?
2421 [19:11:53] <blackflow> so your ssh will listen on wlan0 and when you ssh to its IP you will ssh to your own ssh.service, on that machine, as if it was localhost.
2422 [19:12:00] <blackflow> IT IS NOT RADIO CONNECTION
2423 [19:12:10] <blackflow> your packets are not leaving your network stack.
2424 [19:12:14] <quantum> wifi is a radio connection.
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2426 [19:12:27] <blackflow> but setting static IP on an unassociated wlan is NOT radio
2427 [19:12:36] <blackflow> those packets don't leave the network stack.
2428 [19:12:50] <quantum> I know. But I'm reaching it from the LAN somehow.
2429 [19:13:16] <blackflow> not somehow. routing. the IP layer has routed its subnet VIA wlan0
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2431 [19:13:31] <quantum> All this time I've been reaching the device from a laptop.
2432 [19:13:51] <blackflow> what device?
2433 [19:14:24] <quantum> The device is a TinkerBoard (like a RaspPi). It's got wifi and ethernet, and ethernet is on the LAN.
2434 [19:14:54] <blackflow> so you're reaching it through the ethernet
2435 [19:15:04] <quantum> The wifi interface is supposed to be associating with a UniFi AP Pro, which in turn is also on the LAN switch.
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2437 [19:15:16] <blackflow> unless your wifi is connected to an AP and you just don't know tha
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2439 [19:15:25] <quantum> I'm controlling everything from a laptop as the Tinker is headless.
2440 [19:15:54] <quantum> iwconfig clearly says unassociated, as per my first paste.
2441 [19:15:57] <blackflow> quantum: what's the IP address of your laptop?
2442 [19:16:09] <quantum> 10.2.1.2.
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2444 [19:16:20] <blackflow> and the ethernet NIC of the tinkerboard?
2445 [19:16:28] <quantum> 10.2.1.23.
2446 [19:16:42] <blackflow> and the wlan0? (I closed that pastebin)
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2448 [19:16:50] <quantum> 10.2.1.22
2449 [19:17:19] <quantum> When I ssh to .22 I get login, and when I'm in I find that wlan0 is unassociated.
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2451 [19:17:28] <blackflow> so when you ping 10.2.1.22 from your 10.2.1.2 laptop it passes through?
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2453 [19:17:46] <quantum> Somehow I must be getting in through eth0, even though I specify wlan0's IP.
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2455 [19:18:32] <quantum> Yes I can ping .22 even though unassociated, by a miracle of nature.
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2457 [19:18:49] <blackflow> well, it's either THAT, or your wifi is connected but for some reason says it isn't, OR it's pixie dust and magick!
2458 [19:19:38] <quantum> Any idea what the iw command would be? I can't make sense of the hundreds of options.
2459 [19:19:46] <blackflow> iwconfig wlan0
2460 [19:19:55] <blackflow> to see the current state of it
2461 [19:20:01] <quantum> That's the old way that will get you criticized.
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2463 [19:20:21] <blackflow> possibru. I don't do wifi that much.
2464 [19:20:21] <quantum> The new way is with iw {something}{something}
2465 [19:20:46] <LikWidChz> iwpriv // iwconfig
2466 [19:20:55] <quantum> iwconfig says unassociated: replaced-url
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2468 [19:21:13] <blackflow> quantum: iw list
2469 [19:21:19] <blackflow> but you'll likely get the same info back
2470 [19:21:32] <aloo_shu> ip link [list] wlan0 iirc
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2472 [19:21:50] <blackflow> quantum: can you run `ip route` on that tinkerboard and pastebin it?
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2474 [19:22:11] <quantum> iw list shows characteristics, not status.
2475 [19:23:04] <quantum> replaced-url
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2478 [19:23:56] <blackflow> quantum: routes #3 and #4 are in conflict and are explaining what you see
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2480 [19:24:48] <quantum> How so?
2481 [19:25:13] <blackflow> you're routing to the same subnet via two different NICs
2482 [19:25:59] <blackflow> also, is forwarding enabled? sysctl -a | grep forward
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2486 [19:28:07] <quantum> All zeros.
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2488 [19:28:16] <blackflow> (it does say "scope link" but.... unless it really is pixie dust and magick, the stack is just forwarding the packets within itself)
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2492 [19:29:20] <blackflow> now the $1M question here is how are those packets traversing the switch. is there an old rule associating 10.2.1.22 with the port of the cable used for 10.2.1.23? I have no idea.
2493 [19:29:38] <quantum> I'll turn off the second IP on eth0 (.23), but I'll probably lose comm.
2494 [19:29:43] <blackflow> OR that's not proper switch, but a hub instead, so NICs are picking up all packets and responding to the IP headers
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2497 [19:31:25] <quantum> It's a big Netgear commercial switch.
2498 [19:31:39] <quantum> Lost comm.
2499 [19:32:18] <quantum> So in fact wlan0 is not associated and I was getting in through eth0 with wlan0's IP.
2500 [19:32:26] <blackflow> and you can no longer ping 10.2.22 amirite?
2501 [19:32:43] <blackflow> right. because you're forcing static IPs without proper routing and they both route in the same subnet
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2508 [19:34:11] <blackflow> *10.2.1.22
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2511 [19:35:12] <quantum> Def a wifi problem. interface is not connected to wpa.
2512 [19:35:24] <quantum> I'll research it.
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2514 [19:36:28] <blackflow> quantum: see if toggling -D is required, when you run wpa_supplicant from cli. look up the manpage for possible values
2515 [19:37:03] <blackflow> iirc I had to force that in some situations, but it's been a while and I don't remember the details
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2520 [19:38:10] <quantum> The proper driver is being loaded for wifi. If I shut down/up the interface it associates.
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2527 [19:40:36] <blackflow> quantum: hrm... idea, maybe you should disable the wpa_supplicant.service? let it be initiated by ifupdown?
2528 [19:42:06] <quantum> I'll try it.
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2532 [19:44:06] <quantum> unassociated after reboot.
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2535 [19:44:49] <quantum> wpa_supplicant.service is dead.
2536 [19:45:09] <blackflow> quantum: then try the other way around. remove wifi/wpa options from e/n/i and see if only using wpa_supplicant service suffices
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2538 [19:46:11] <blackflow> quantum: when you systemctl cat wpa_supplicant.service it shows Before=network.target right?
2539 [19:46:58] <blackflow> which probably means nothing since you have static and not dhcp setup
2540 [19:47:06] <quantum> Before=network.target
2541 [19:47:06] <quantum> After=dbus.service
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2543 [19:47:33] <blackflow> yeah, that's important for dhcp, so the wifi is connected before dhclient tries to get an IP ove rit
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2545 [19:47:36] <blackflow> *over it
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2547 [19:48:27] <quantum> hang on a sec... look what happens when I tab the command:
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2549 [19:48:32] <quantum> # systemctl enable wpa_supplicant
2550 [19:48:32] <quantum> wpa_supplicant@ wpa_supplicant.service wpa_supplicant@.service
2551 [19:49:05] <quantum> I'll bet I have to enable wpa_supplicant@wlan0.service
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2555 [19:49:41] <blackflow> that seems reasonable, if the template is set up like that. you can look up the template in /lib/systemd/system/wpa_...
2556 [19:50:03] <blackflow> or even better use systemctl cat so you output the effective config after (any optional) overrides under /etc
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2558 [19:50:42] <blackflow> at any rate, running wpa_supplicant from the command line _must_ succeed, if the service is to succeed as well.
2559 [19:50:56] <blackflow> I still think you had a lingering daemon somewhere which hogged the socket
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2561 [19:51:33] <quantum> Didn't work. unassociated.
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2564 [19:52:19] <blackflow> right, so.... disable the service, remove the wpa/wifi options from e/n/i and try to get it associated from running wpa_supplicant directly from cli
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2567 [19:53:11] <blackflow> I really don't know what to offer much beyond this. that's the crucial thing here. get it connected from cli, and then the service will work for that same config
2568 [19:53:15] <quantum> ExecStart=/sbin/wpa_supplicant -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant-%I.conf -Dnl80211,wext -i%I
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2570 [19:53:51] <blackflow> quantum: huh yes, that would expect the config file to be /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant-wlan0.conf
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2573 [19:54:09] <blackflow> but again... should connect from cli with -c
2574 [19:54:09] <quantum> O
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2580 [19:56:12] <blackflow> quantum: you know... it's very much possible that I typo'ed that -i wlan0 instead of -iwlan0 when I first told you to try from the command line directly
2581 [19:56:31] <blackflow> it appears wpa_supplicant does not like spaces between options and its values
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2583 [19:57:12] <quantum> Big clue: This is with all wpa services disabled, after reboot, and then commandline:
2584 [19:57:18] <quantum> replaced-url
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2586 [19:57:41] <quantum> Something else is in fact hogging the socket.
2587 [19:57:57] <blackflow> check it with lsof
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2589 [19:59:11] <quantum> wpa_suppl 967 root 14u unix 0x00000000 0t0 20726 /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlan0 type=DGRAM
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2594 [19:59:57] <blackflow> looks like pid 967 is hogging it
2595 [20:00:47] <quantum> SThat's not my command:
2596 [20:01:03] <quantum> /sbin/wpa_supplicant -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dnl80211,wext -iwlan0
2597 [20:01:36] <quantum> PID 967: /sbin/wpa_supplicant -s -B -P /run/wpa_supplicant.wlan0.pid -i wlan0 -D nl80211,wext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
2598 [20:02:50] <blackflow> that's not the systemd service either
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2600 [20:02:59] <quantum> It must be that the wlan0 is invoking wpa
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2602 [20:03:25] <quantum> ... sp I don't/shouldn't enable the wpa service.
2603 [20:03:53] <blackflow> depends which process you want to control it
2604 [20:04:07] <blackflow> I'd go for a standalone service myself, but whatev.
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2606 [20:04:24] <blackflow> point is........... disable all, try from command line, changing the config as needed, until you get the connection.
2607 [20:04:45] <quantum> Yup, confirmed with reboot and all wpa .services off, the process lives.
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2609 [20:04:59] <blackflow> started by what
2610 [20:05:09] <quantum> wlan0
2611 [20:05:17] <blackflow> did you remove wifi/wpa directives from e/n/i ?
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2613 [20:05:33] <blackflow> wlan0 is an interface, it can't start services itself. something else did it
2614 [20:05:46] <quantum> wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
2615 [20:06:04] <quantum> This line is in its config, and matches the process.
2616 [20:06:10] <blackflow> right did you remove all those wifi related directives from e/n/i? if not, that's what's starting it -- ifupdown
2617 [20:06:54] <quantum> I didn't. I'll try.
2618 [20:07:08] <blackflow> which I told you like 20 minutes ago
2619 [20:07:35] <quantum> Well I disobeyed you.
2620 [20:08:11] <blackflow> wasting your AND my time :)
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2622 [20:08:42] <quantum> ... you -think-...
2623 [20:08:52] <blackflow> which is not funny. I'm gonna go now, slightly pissed by people not listening and wasting time...
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2625 [20:09:55] <quantum> Unassociated.
2626 [20:09:57] <blackflow> no srsly, I have to go. I'll just reiterate: disable all daemons/auto config and get it going via cli.
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2628 [20:10:19] <blackflow> maybe you need firmware for it?
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2632 [20:11:02] <quantum> It associates when ifdown/up.
2633 [20:11:24] <blackflow> you still haven't removed those directives from e/n/i ?
2634 [20:12:25] <blackflow> oh you mean... with the directives, it works. well... wait a minute.... if ifup brings it fully up, what's the problem? does it not do that on boot?
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2636 [20:14:19] <quantum> Directives removed, all wpa services off, reboot, command-line wpa, still unassoc.
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2638 [20:14:43] <quantum> # wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -i wlan0
2639 [20:14:43] <quantum> Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
2640 [20:15:16] <blackflow> try adding -Dnl80211,wext
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2642 [20:15:22] <quantum> wifi is not your bag. I'll research it.
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2645 [20:15:53] <blackflow> but again.... if ifup associates it on boot......what's the problem?
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2648 [20:16:49] <quantum> ifup doesn't associate it on boot. It only starts wpa.
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2650 [20:17:19] <blackflow> yeah I don't get what you're saying
2651 [20:17:27] <blackflow> you said "it associates when ifdown/up"
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2654 [20:17:39] <blackflow> that only works via wpa_supplicant there's no other mechanism
2655 [20:18:03] <quantum> After booted I can make it associate with ifconfig wlan0 down/up and it will associate. Has from the beginning.
2656 [20:18:03] <blackflow> but eh, you'll have to ask someone else. have to go now, sorry.
2657 [20:18:41] <blackflow> quantum: look into dmesg or full journal (not just individual services) for any hints why it doesn't associate during boot
2658 [20:19:18] <quantum> I have. No clues. Just never happens.
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2662 [20:20:24] <blackflow> it's the same mechanism. ifup is run on boot via ifup -a . possibly it's a race condition with something (driver, firmware loading?). dmesg should have hints. or do the alternative which you never did properly: remove any wpa directives from e/n/i, make sure NOTHING starts wpa_supplicant on boot, and then try via systemd service.
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2706 [20:54:12] <Marz> Ubuntu has been booting fine with secure boot enabled for years. What’s up with Debian?
2707 [20:54:36] <Marz> I can’t even get it to boot into uefi if I don’t enable legacy boot
2708 [20:55:33] <Marz> On my laptop it just boots into black screen with legacy boot disabled.
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2737 [21:07:40] <sharp15> what became of ia32libs on debian9 ?
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2753 [21:24:20] <OerHeks> sharp15, dpkg --add-architecture <arch> replaced-url
2754 [21:25:21] <sharp15> OerHeks: i found it. but installing other packages via "dpkg -i" doesn't drag it along.
2755 [21:25:52] <sharp15> OerHeks: ty for answering though. and sorry. "it" is libc6-i386
2756 [21:26:17] <OerHeks> ah yes, annotation must be correct
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2846 [22:41:14] <usney2> hey guys
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2848 [22:41:46] <usney2> how do I make the screen black and not light up blackish gray?
2849 [22:42:06] <usney2> it is a command line login prompt
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2851 [22:42:12] <usney2> no GUI
2852 [22:42:34] <usney2> I don't want to have to leave it logged in to keep the screen off at night
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2858 [22:43:51] <usney2> I might remove the suspend button on my old laptop so I can be able to close the lid without it suspending the laptop so I can still log in to it later
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2860 [22:44:24] <usney2> because I control it remotely so I don't need the screen most of the time
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2873 [22:50:54] <jmcnaught> usney2: to disable suspend when the lid closes you can add "HandleLidSwitch=ignore" to /etc/systemd/logind.conf
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2881 [22:54:50] <jim> jmcnaught, would you restart something after that?
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2903 [23:12:11] <jmcnaught> jim: I restarted systemd-logind.service, IIRC it doesn't let you reload
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2914 [23:18:04] <awal1> how can i solve "mt76x0 1-1.2:1.0: firmware: failed to load mediatek/mt7610u.bin (-2)" ?
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2916 [23:18:16] <awal1> i have firmware-misc-nonfree installed
2917 [23:18:22] <awal1> looks like not supported?
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2923 [23:23:18] <jim> jmcnaught, the implications of restart versus reload... I'm not sure, what's the difference? I remember daemons that if you kill -withsomesignal them, they would reload the config... not all daemons could do that
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2949 [23:43:16] <bmomjian> FYI, I am upgrading from Jessie to Stretch now.
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2962 [23:47:48] <bmomjian> I ran 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and nothing was upgraded. Do I need to modify sources.list?
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2964 [23:49:28] <tpr> obviously
2965 [23:49:31] <n4dir> umpf, well, of course
2966 [23:49:48] <milkt> bmmomjian: try /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
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2971 [23:50:56] <bmomjian> Uh, that is what I thought, but I can't find a specific mention of that here: replaced-url
2972 [23:51:20] <bmomjian> 4.3.1 talks about Adding APT Internet sources but no mention of modifying the existing distribution name.
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2974 [23:52:11] <bmomjian> I see the /msg, but why is this not mentioned clearly in the official upgrade webpage?
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2976 [23:53:25] <jim> bmomjian, what are you trying to accomplish?
2977 [23:53:27] <milkt> it is mentioned as 3rd line from bottom, of 4.3.1 section
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2979 [23:54:33] <bmomjian> OK, I see it saying add a line, but I guess I thought that was just a generic, here is the syntax, not 'change jessie to stretch'
2980 [23:54:59] <jim> it's actually -not- obvious whether to alter sources.list, I get point releases of the same dist (like 9.5 -> 9.6 for example) without altering sources.list. what will be required in that case, is an apt update
2981 [23:55:18] <jim> it depends on what you're trying to do
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2983 [23:55:50] <bmomjian> Yes, I read if you have 'stable' it will just track that and upgrade
2984 [23:55:58] <bmomjian> but I have 'jessie' listed
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2987 [23:56:25] <jim> do you want to move from jessie to stretch?
2988 [23:56:30] <bmomjian> Yes
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2991 [23:56:53] <jim> ok, the first thing, is make sure your jessie is uptodate
2992 [23:57:43] <bmomjian> Yes, it is, nothing on 'hold', nothing partially installed
2993 [23:58:06] <jim> ok, so your jessie is fully uptodate then?
2994 [23:58:12] <bmomjian> Yes
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2996 [23:58:29] <bmomjian> I guess I was really looking for a line like 'change jessie to stretch' rather than add a stretch line.
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2998 [23:58:46] <bmomjian> This was clearer: replaced-url
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