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27 [00:09:21] <scwizard> I'm trying to pin a particular repo higher than normal, but it doesn't seem to be working
28 [00:09:35] <scwizard> I'm doing: Package: * Pin: origin replaced-url
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74 [00:42:38] <tehnull> has anyone figured out how to actually disable gsync with nvidia proprietary drivers?
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78 [00:46:34] <tehnull> I've tried nvidia-settings -a AllowGSYNC=0 and nvidia-settings -q AllowGSYNC returns 0 so it should be disabled however it isn't
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80 [00:47:47] <mi11k1> tehnull, you need to put the screen
81 [00:48:03] <tehnull> english please
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83 [00:48:13] <trysten> they put us up the screen!
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85 [00:48:34] <trysten> main screen turn on
86 [00:48:49] <tehnull> put it on main screen
87 [00:49:05] <mi11k1> Attribute 'AllowGSYNC' (termina:1.0): 1.
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89 [00:49:19] <mi11k1> xdisplay
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93 [00:50:39] <tehnull> bash: wut: command not found
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158 [01:34:04] <Deihmos> what do you think is the best looking desktop enviroment?
159 [01:34:13] <Deihmos> they all look a bit ugly to me
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162 [01:34:49] <abrotman> which have you tried?
163 [01:35:26] <Deihmos> gnome kde and xfce i think was the name
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165 [01:36:13] <abrotman> and you didn't try to customize them? What didn't you like?
166 [01:36:30] <Deihmos> maybe i am just too used to windows
167 [01:36:49] <abrotman> you could try e17, though I haven't seen pictures of it in ages
168 [01:36:55] <abrotman> enlightenment
169 [01:37:10] <abrotman> There are many desktops/WMs out there
170 [01:37:31] <SerajewelKS> gnome3 and unity are both supposed to look nice but they're also fairly anti-user so i avoid them
171 [01:37:47] <SerajewelKS> but most desktops can be customized
172 [01:38:00] <SerajewelKS> pick one that works the way you want, then try to make it look nice
173 [01:38:13] <SerajewelKS> you don't use a computer so you can be pleased with how it looks
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175 [01:39:27] <abrotman> Deihmos: you might also want to look at Cinnamon
176 [01:40:02] <Old_Dog> I'm running a small desktop on a live usb of Debian 9.7 Got a phone call. came back and the screensaver has me locked out. I can reboot, of course, but I'm curious. What would the password be on a Live USB?
177 [01:42:07] <SerajewelKS> the documentation should tell you
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179 [01:43:09] <Old_Dog> what documentation?
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182 [01:43:37] <SerajewelKS> hmm. it doesn't seem to be in the FAQ. odd. anyway, i think the password is "live"
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184 [01:44:13] <Old_Dog> and it IS!
185 [01:44:34] <Old_Dog> live worked. thank you, and now I know.
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187 [01:44:39] <SerajewelKS> np
188 [01:44:53] <SerajewelKS> i was going to harp about RTFM for a minute but i can't even find it in the docs
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190 [01:45:22] <SerajewelKS> but if you google "debian live password" the entire first page is the answer :)
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195 [01:47:13] <Old_Dog> If I didn't have another computer on the Internet, that would be hard to do. But of course I do, and that's what I should have done, instead of bothering you, but it was just so handy to ask here. Sorry. But thanks again.
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197 [01:47:49] <SerajewelKS> no worries
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206 [01:54:08] <angry_route> Hi! I'm having a lot of trouble with port forwarding and iptables, isn't this rule enough? iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp -i $WAN --dport 4242 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.1:22. Thanks for any help!!
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208 [01:54:43] <angry_route> my syslog says it's dropping the packet over INPUT it seems
209 [01:56:48] <mutante> angry_route: if you are not getting responses here, try ##networking
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211 [01:57:04] <angry_route> thanks!!!
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411 [05:12:06] <fling> How to figure out why is journald using lots of ram?
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447 [05:54:20] <trevdev> o/
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459 [06:05:24] <EdePopede> never noticed before that the install process declared the swap partition here as "none swap sw", just like replaced-url
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462 [06:08:22] <mobile_c> can debian be used in android without root?
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465 [06:12:18] <trevdev> @mobile_c All manners of Linux on an Android devices might need root or in the very least, a crack of the bootloader
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467 [06:13:03] <trevdev> Whoa, I accidentally did a thing
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474 [06:20:11] <mobile_c> ok
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486 [06:40:17] <perseiver> Hello, I have installed debian 9 graphical.. and I have problem in switching between 3 opened application. Suppose, I have opened 2 terminals, 1 text editor and 1 browser. Is there any shortcut to access them quickly. In other distros like ubuntu (for example), all opened application is on left panel. The similar I find on Window also. But I can't find similar panel in Debian
487 [06:42:31] <EdePopede> perseiver, depends on the desktop you've installed. kde/gnome/xfce/mate/...? normally there should be a panel with menu, clock, some more stuff and window buttons
488 [06:42:38] <EdePopede> or: alt-tab (as usual)
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491 [06:44:16] <EdePopede> may also be the panel is set to autohide, then moving the mouse to the desktop edge would show it
492 [06:44:17] <perseiver> EdePopede: I can't use ctrl and alt-tab easily.. Actually I am operating debian remotely. and when I press alt-tab it control My system not remotely controlled debian system
493 [06:45:53] <EdePopede> another option: xfce4-popup-windowmenu - opens on midclick in the desktop or when run from the shell
494 [06:46:12] <EdePopede> if your desktop is xfce, obviously ;)
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496 [06:47:08] <EdePopede> if your mouse is captured in the window then it also should work with the edges
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506 [06:56:35] <perseiver> ok.. I am searching is there any tweak tool setting. that stop auto hide of Side Menu (Favourite)
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509 [06:59:33] <diogenes_> perseiver, what DE?
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511 [07:00:34] <perseiver> DE! I am not gettng diogenes_
512 [07:00:37] <EdePopede> perseiver, there may be a Settings entry it its context menu
513 [07:00:48] <EdePopede> desktop environment (KDE, Gnome etc)
514 [07:00:51] <perseiver> ok
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596 [08:05:26] <DK2> i can install debian on my server without problems on two disks (sda+sdb are recognized) However after installation it doesnt boot. i can see that in the bios the server doesnt recognize the harddrive
597 [08:05:37] <DK2> but in rescue linux they are there perfectly fine, any ideas?
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667 [08:57:32] <ytf0rd> helo
668 [08:57:41] <ytf0rd> who do i call if i has birus
669 [08:58:07] <Haohmaru> the bolice
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672 [08:59:47] <ytf0rd> why wont vlc let me listen to john cena midis
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676 [09:00:27] <Haohmaru> cuz you don't have the john cena plugin?
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678 [09:00:51] <Haohmaru> do you have an actual question?
679 [09:00:55] <ytf0rd> yes
680 [09:01:00] <jelly> !ask
681 [09:01:00] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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683 [09:01:14] <ytf0rd> why cant i play my midis
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685 [09:01:18] <ytf0rd> i really want 2 no
686 [09:01:46] <ytf0rd> i have a bunch i made in fl studio but they wont play
687 [09:02:34] <ytf0rd> it says no midi plugin when i try to load them
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690 [09:03:21] <Haohmaru> i don't know, i only make wavs and mp3s
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693 [09:03:53] <rant> ytf0rd: last i checked fl is proprietsry windows software not included in debian
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695 [09:04:26] <Haohmaru> yeah, there is sort of a inspired-by thing "LMMS" for linux
696 [09:04:33] <ytf0rd> @rant i know i use my laptop for production its just making me mad i cant listen to any of it on my main pc
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698 [09:04:46] <Haohmaru> ytf0rd render it to wav
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700 [09:05:29] <rant> ytf0rd: perhaps you should try debian software to play them if you run debian
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703 [09:06:48] <Haohmaru> i use flooty roops
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705 [09:07:20] <rant> im beginning to suspect you two are trolling
706 [09:07:54] <Haohmaru> i have evidence that i'm only kidding
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708 [09:08:11] <rant> debian has software to play midi files and thats what we support here
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710 [09:08:37] <rant> Haohmaru: try ##standup :p
711 [09:08:49] <Haohmaru> ytf0rd did you try something simple and easy, like, dropping them into XMMS or audacious?
712 [09:09:44] <Haohmaru> rant most of my jokes probably aren't even funny
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715 [09:10:02] <Haohmaru> oh, he ded
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718 [09:11:12] <rant> well i was left founder of that channel and it never gets used so nobody to complain.. heh
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722 [09:11:48] <Haohmaru> <ba-dum-tish.wav>
723 [09:12:02] <Haohmaru> okay, so i got a lil dumb question
724 [09:12:09] <rant> but its an apt place to discuss and work on comedy
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732 [09:14:34] <Haohmaru> i am generally using LXDE, but now after a slightly annoying GUI bug with one of the programs and the window manager (openbox), i changed the window manager to another one, xfwm4 (from xfce), and the GUI bug is gone.. however, some things no longer work, like pressing CTRL+ESC to open the "start" menu, or pressing print screen to open the screenshot grabber thing
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735 [09:15:20] <Haohmaru> when i ran xfwm4 manually from terminal (with --replace argument) it says something of the sort "Warning: SESSION_MANAGER not defined"
736 [09:15:57] <Haohmaru> but i don't know if this is a problem, or if it only happens when i run xfwm4 with --replace from terminal
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740 [09:17:18] <Haohmaru> actually, i don't even know if these button combos work in proper "xfce" in the first place
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745 [09:20:41] <rant> well the session mgr has nothing to do with shortcuts.
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752 [09:21:08] <Haohmaru> then who? the window manager?
753 [09:21:20] <rant> you could prob substitute something else to do it
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755 [09:21:34] <rant> usually yes the wm
756 [09:21:53] <Haohmaru> ah, so those were openbox features, and now they're gone
757 [09:22:53] <rant> if i were home id fire up my vm and look into it but im on android and my computer is off at home
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761 [09:23:52] <Haohmaru> i'm at teh j0b, but i got the same issue at home too, since i use debian+lxde+the_same_program_with_the_bug there too
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766 [09:25:47] <rant> well the issue with hookin functions like the menu is you need to figure out how it does it.. mate has a shortcuts thing in the settings to hook things like that via dbus id imagine
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773 [09:27:47] <no_gravity> Hello! Is it possible to set the date format only for a single application?
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776 [09:28:11] <no_gravity> Thunderbird uses "Your system's short date format" and I hate that.
777 [09:28:28] <no_gravity> I would like to set it to 'YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM'.
778 [09:28:40] <rant> i know the pain i love sawfish but it has issues with ewmh which may be what you are experiencing with openbox
779 [09:28:45] <patterson> I miss 1-1-1980
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782 [09:29:07] <Haohmaru> ewmh?
783 [09:29:17] <patterson> Never mind
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785 [09:29:25] <rant> dpkg, ewmh
786 [09:29:25] <dpkg> Extended Window Manager Hints (aka NetWM, Net WM) is a <freedesktop> standard to augment ICCCM. Basically how window managers and other X programs talk to each other. Supported by most modern window managers. replaced-url
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789 [09:29:57] <Haohmaru> i tried sawfish (and a bunch of other window managers), but i got problem with these h4x0r tiling window schemes x_x
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792 [09:30:15] <Haohmaru> i need something that functions similar to win98, bonus points if it has themes
793 [09:30:34] <rant> one example in sawfish is say drawers poping out from mate panel get treated like windows with frames
794 [09:30:35] <patterson> The wood wide web replaced-url
795 [09:30:39] <Haohmaru> so openbox and xfwm are "okay" for me
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797 [09:30:48] <rant> cause it doesnt understand the hints
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800 [09:31:22] <Haohmaru> drawers? like.. audio volume slider?
801 [09:31:46] <Haohmaru> gets a whole window frame drawn to it?
802 [09:31:48] <rant> drawers are pop out panels for more icons
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804 [09:32:02] <Haohmaru> hm
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806 [09:33:41] <rant> sawfish doesnt properly support the hints that tell it how to do this.. back when sawfish was the gnome2 wm the panel didnt create a new window and use ewmh to make it seem like it wasnt a window
807 [09:33:53] <Haohmaru> the issue i have is this one program which opens and closes a given dialog, and tries to remember its position and size and restores it, but there's a bug that only happens with openbox window manager, that the size grows every time (guessing the size is given including the window frame, while the size expected for the set_size() is supposed to only have the client area)
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811 [09:35:12] <rant> that could be an ewmh issue
812 [09:36:22] <rant> there is acommandline ewmh client that can be scripted
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814 [09:37:11] <Haohmaru> replaced-url
815 [09:37:18] <Haohmaru> so, there are a few minuses there
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817 [09:37:49] <rant> ,i wmctrl
818 [09:37:50] <judd> Package wmctrl (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: control an EWMH/NetWM compatible X Window Manager. Version: 1.07-7+b1; Size: 21.0k; Installed: 57k; Homepage: replaced-url
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820 [09:39:01] <rant> it could be used to debug or correct the issue perhaps
821 [09:39:34] <rant> if it dont respond correctly to wmctrl commands you know its ewmh related
822 [09:40:29] <Haohmaru> i'll see what i can do with this
823 [09:40:53] <Haohmaru> but the issue happens with a dialog that the program opens
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826 [09:42:29] <rant> iirc openbox had all the features sawfish did just without the config ui you have to manually edit configs and resra
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828 [09:42:38] <rant> restart the wm
829 [09:43:25] <rant> and in sawfish you could match windows based on all sorts of critera and have rules for how they are placed
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834 [09:45:17] <rant> trying to change frame style and window dize with wmctrl would give you an idea if itcorrectly responds to ewmh
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836 [09:45:30] <Haohmaru> LXDE has a config thing, i am able to even change the "window manager" from a dialog
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838 [09:46:27] <rant> and xwininfo can help identify the dialog for writing rules to perhaps fix the issue
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841 [09:47:41] <rant> na sawfish configurator is totally different it exposes virtually all the wm to real time control its not some generic config thing
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843 [09:48:02] <rant> there is a reason i miss using sawfish :p
844 [09:48:16] <Haohmaru> oh, i see the dialog with wmctrl -l
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847 [09:49:05] <rant> you should if it properly supports ewmh be able to manipulate that dialog..
848 [09:49:39] <rant> change its frame style, stacking order, size,,etc
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851 [09:50:49] <no_gravity> How can I check if LC_TIME=en_DK.UTF-8 actually does anything?
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853 [09:51:05] <no_gravity> I am trying to make thunderbird use YYYY-MM-DD, but so far to no avail.
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855 [09:51:30] <rant> no_gravity: type the command after that on a commandline
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857 [09:51:46] <no_gravity> rant: I did
858 [09:51:51] <rant> VAR=val command
859 [09:52:00] <no_gravity> rant: I did
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861 [09:52:13] <rant> then its ignoring it :p
862 [09:52:19] <no_gravity> Or the locale is broken.
863 [09:52:28] <no_gravity> How can I test it on the command line?
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868 [09:54:05] <rant> no_gravity: same answer just use some commands that show dates like ls -l or something
869 [09:54:19] <rant> date, etc
870 [09:54:49] <no_gravity> rant: 'ls -l' already uses YYYY-MM-DD here.
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873 [09:56:54] * rant shrugs and detaches mosh until he goes home and can more easily type with a real kb :p
874 [09:58:15] <no_gravity> It's because it is aliased to 'ls --time-style=long-iso'
875 [09:58:23] <no_gravity> When I do this: export LC_TIME=en_DK.UTF-8 && \ls -l
876 [09:58:29] <no_gravity> The LC_TIME has no effect.
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878 [09:58:53] <no_gravity> I get some kind of abbreviated month name format.
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897 [10:05:21] <Haohmaru> okay, when i get/set the size of that dialog with wmctrl - the window doesn't "grow" in size every time
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1073 [12:19:41] <rant> Haohmaru: well now that I
1074 [12:20:07] <rant> Haohmaru: well now that I'm home :P (and hitting enter unnecessarily) I figured out the issue of the shortcuts
1075 [12:20:48] <rant> Haohmaru: you need to also install xfce4-settings and add xfsettingsd to your session and then configure the shortcuts using xfce4-keyboard-settings
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1078 [12:21:30] <rant> Haohmaru: as for running down the issue with openbox I'd probably have to be able to reproduce the issue locally
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1081 [12:24:30] <rant> Haohmaru: Menu > Preferences > Default applications for LXSession [Autostart] add xfsettingsd, then run xfce4-keyboard-settings and enter in the shortcuts from Menu > Preferences > Setup Hot Keys and then xfwm4 should behave the same as openbox in LXDE
1082 [12:25:21] <rant> and of course change in [Core applications] openbox to xfwm4 in the LXSession config
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1097 [12:32:31] <Haohmaru> oh, okay, imma try these thangs
1098 [12:32:47] <rant> Haohmaru: as for the window rules those are configured in ~/.config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml under <applications> and you can use xwininfo to get information to try find matcher info for that dialog and setup rules for it
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1101 [12:33:06] <rant> Haohmaru: if you wanted to try that method to fix the openbox behavior
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1152 [13:04:35] <rant> as for that other issue, thunderbird it would seem just doesnt respect locale at all in stretch.. heh.. I totally changed locale and it still doesnt change the date format. They say it gets time format from the system but it doesn't
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1155 [13:05:50] <rant> cause if it did, creating a local desktop file with exec=env LC_TIME=foo thunderbird would've been all that was needed
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1157 [13:06:14] <Barones> Does debian devs really doesn't care abou wpa-enterprise authentication problem?
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1159 [13:07:03] <Barones> I really like the debian fork but I'm willing to move to another distro because I can't connect to university eduroam/wpa-enterprise network
1160 [13:07:20] <rant> nobody can speak for what debian developers generally think about anything.. and wtf is wpa-enterprise authentication problem?
1161 [13:08:13] <Barones> this one rant - replaced-url
1162 [13:09:48] <Barones> I had looked in wpa authentication packets and seems that debian have a depreciated wpa-supplicant and dependencies
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1172 [13:19:58] <rant> Barones: well, that forum says it worked in bodhi linux, which according to their website is based on the latest ubuntu LTS which according to THEIR website is bionic.. and according to package.ubuntu.com bionic uses wpasupplicant 2.6
1173 [13:21:22] <rant> Barones: which buster has, and buster will release soon.. but in the meantime you could backport libnl-genl-3-200 and libnl-3-200 from buster and then just install the buster wpasupplicant package and put it on hold
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1175 [13:22:01] <rant> Barones: those are the only two deps not satisfied in stretch for buster's wpasupplicant and there are no deps not satisfied to backport those
1176 [13:22:30] <Barones> interesting rant, well I'm using mint 19, based in bionic also which is using wpasupplicant 2.6
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1179 [13:23:08] <rant> well if you're using mint then wtf are we even having this discussion? :P
1180 [13:23:39] <Barones> that is based in ubuntu, that is based in debian, right?
1181 [13:24:00] <Barones> not being ironic, just new to linux world
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1185 [13:25:59] <Barones> I appreciate your answer rant, it reallyl make me understand how packages and deps work
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1232 [13:44:05] <beavis> i've just upgraded to buster, can anyone tell my why my root $PATH isn't set properly under gnome?
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1234 [13:44:40] <beavis> when i log in in ttext console it's being set properly but when i do that in gnome it's being set to non uid 0 one
1235 [13:44:45] <Haohmaru> rant muchos thanks, it seems i got it working now \o/
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1239 [13:45:28] <rant> Barones: based on, has nothing to do with anything.. and Mint is "based on" ubuntu.. they also have LMDE which is "based on" Debian nothing except Debian stable is supported here
1240 [13:45:44] <beavis> when i do sudo su it's being set properly as well
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1246 [13:49:26] <beavis> ah i found why
1247 [13:49:28] <beavis> replaced-url
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1249 [13:49:36] <beavis> nevermind, bye, havew a good time
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1251 [13:49:50] <rant> Haohmaru: was interesting seeing how easy it is to swap out components of LXDE but considering I dont like ANY of them I guess it doesnt matter to me
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1254 [13:50:47] <Haohmaru> rant i like pcmanfm, and the menu of lxpanel
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1256 [13:51:12] <Haohmaru> pcmanfm as a desktop also is gud
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1314 [14:43:43] <HD|Laptop> Hello everyone. Does anyone here have experience in how to make dbconfig-common work with a *remote* DB server?
1315 [14:43:51] <HD|Laptop> I am trying to follow replaced-url
1316 [14:44:20] <HD|Laptop> but the keystone postinst script fails with exit-code 10 after "PKG-Openstack now calling: dbc_go keystone reconfigure"
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1319 [14:45:43] <HD|Laptop> I am running "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline DEBIAN_PRIORITY=low apt-get install keystone", and it crashes after the first question (do you want to configure the db with dbconfig-common)
1320 [14:46:09] <HD|Laptop> I'm on stretch, if that's relevant
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1324 [14:46:40] <jelly> ,v keystone
1325 [14:46:41] <judd> Package: keystone on amd64 -- wheezy: 2012.1.1-13+wheezy1; jessie: 2014.1.3-6; jessie-backports: 2:9.0.0-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:10.0.0-9+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2:10.0.0-9+deb9u1; buster: 2:14.0.1-1; sid: 2:14.0.1-1
1326 [14:48:12] <HD|Laptop> I have run a dpkg-reconfigure -plow dbconfig-common already, and it asked me two questions: should it keep passwords locally (yes), and if I was thinking about using remote servers (yes), nothing more
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1329 [14:48:47] <HD|Laptop> without the dbconfig-common/keystone.conf file, the keystone installation script believes I want to go sqlite and does not ask me any question about which database I want to use
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1371 [15:20:07] <HD|Laptop> I've narrowed down that dbconfig crash to /usr/share/debconf/confmodule, where db_set is called: SET keystone/db/app-user openstack@localhost
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1373 [15:20:25] <HD|Laptop> this thing somehow interacts with the debconf system, but how?
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1400 [15:38:36] <beavis> ok anyone tell me how would i remap a key with xkb properly
1401 [15:38:45] <beavis> google seems helpless
1402 [15:39:21] <kirk781> via xmodmap?
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1408 [15:41:19] <jelly> no, xkb, they said xmodmap was deprecated like 15 years ago
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1410 [15:41:34] <kirk781> Shit, mapped my keys via xmodmap
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1427 [15:50:32] <HD|Laptop> hmm. I tried that SET command in debconf-communicate
1428 [15:50:33] <HD|Laptop> echo "SET keystone/db/app-user openstack@localhost" | debconf-communicate 10 keystone/db/app-user doesn't exist
1429 [15:50:52] <HD|Laptop> at least that explains the error code. but how do I create that value, even if it does not exist?
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1439 [16:00:38] <beavis> sdsd/15
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1444 [16:02:40] <CdK1> Hi *
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1446 [16:03:21] <beavis> jelly: so if you know pls share
1447 [16:03:36] <CdK1> Dear, I am trying to install Debian from a live CD, however, I have not been told the hard drive and the following error appears:
1448 [16:03:36] <beavis> i'm googling since last hour and everyone has a differnt solution that sucks
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1450 [16:03:44] <CdK1> failed to enable AA (error_mask=0x4)
1451 [16:04:38] <rant> CdK1: you'd be better off using the normal install media if you can.
1452 [16:05:25] <CdK1> rant: Hi :)
1453 [16:05:27] <CdK1> Unfortunately I can not, only through a USB
1454 [16:05:37] <rant> uh.. yeah..
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1456 [16:05:52] <rant> the normal installer works via cd, hdd, usb, pxe, whatever
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1458 [16:05:59] <CdK1> Unfortunately I can not, only through a USB
1459 [16:06:05] <rant> its just like the live media only it doesn't suck
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1461 [16:06:27] <CdK1> xD
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1465 [16:06:56] <rant> CdK1: how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck chucked wood?
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1472 [16:08:43] <rant> I guess you're not a bot.. could've fooled me
1473 [16:10:20] <rant> in any case, last I used the live install it resulted in an install twice the normal size
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1494 [16:26:12] <jelly> beavis: I don't. 10+ years ago I'd've used xmodmap.
1495 [16:26:29] <beavis> xmodmap is deprecated as you say
1496 [16:26:34] <jelly> ! This is an `xmodmap' input file for PC 105 key (Linux/XFree86; US) keyboards. Automatically generated on Wed Jan 27 13:35:49 1999 by jelly with XKeyCaps 2.43;
1497 [16:26:35] <dpkg> jelly: I think you lost me on that one
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1500 [16:27:53] <jelly> beavis: to the best of my knowledge, noone ever wrote nice tools (like xkeycaps) for xkb.
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1524 [16:44:17] <zeta-> Is Date info stored with dpkg/apt?
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1526 [16:44:32] <bugfixer> Hi, trying to install on nuc 8 with hp 1080p display. Once i select graphic install i can see ~25 installer windows next to each other, but they are way too small to read.. i tried without vga=788 in boot command but then i just get a black screen.
1527 [16:44:39] <zeta-> ie. can I list recently installed pkgs?
1528 [16:45:00] <zeta-> or recently new pkgs?
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1531 [16:47:20] <petn-randall> zeta-: There's /var/log/apt/history.log, which has this information.
1532 [16:48:57] <de-facto> to which url translates "replaced-url
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1537 [16:53:05] <de-facto> guessing something like " curl -I replaced-url
1538 [16:53:16] <petn-randall> de-facto: If you run `apt-get update` and get an error, it will list the complete URL there.
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1540 [16:53:41] <de-facto> it wont
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1542 [16:53:50] <de-facto> "Err:1 replaced-url
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1544 [16:54:32] <Tenkawa> that sounds like a local dns resolution problem
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1546 [16:54:47] <de-facto> yes, hence i want to have the full url so i can debug with curl
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1548 [16:55:00] <Tenkawa> there is no "full"
1549 [16:55:12] <Tenkawa> thats many sites
1550 [16:55:14] <de-facto> well apt-get has to call a valid url at some point
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1554 [16:55:53] <Tenkawa> you need to fix your dns lookups first
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1556 [16:56:06] <Tenkawa> or it wont matter
1557 [16:56:12] <de-facto> so how would i translate "replaced-url
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1559 [16:56:25] <de-facto> yes, thats what i am at, fixing the dns, i need the url
1560 [16:56:34] <Tenkawa> no you dont
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1562 [16:56:41] <de-facto> yes i do
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1564 [16:56:51] <jelly> de-facto: man apt-get would probably show a --print-uris option
1565 [16:57:10] <Tenkawa> you need your nameserver configuration setup on your machine
1566 [16:57:11] <jelly> de-facto: but you do not need the whole URL to verify name resolution working
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1568 [16:57:36] <rant> bugfixer: 788 is a 800x600 mode.. your screen may not support that
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1570 [16:57:43] <de-facto> i know all that, i just want to put a curl in my build image so i can see if that fails for fixing the dns
1571 [16:57:48] <Tenkawa> thats specific to "your" provider not to debian
1572 [16:58:17] <de-facto> no its specific to apt-get and how it constructs urls out of sources.list
1573 [16:58:18] <jelly> de-facto: so does that work?
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1576 [16:59:04] <bugfixer> rant, so what do i do? change screen?
1577 [16:59:40] <bugfixer> i just tried an old 1024x768.. same result
1578 [16:59:43] <jelly> or use text/console installer, not gui
1579 [16:59:52] <de-facto> jelly, yes it prints them out, trying now, its not that fast, i have to git tag and have my build system run a job
1580 [16:59:52] <idle-> ^^
1581 [17:00:10] <bugfixer> jelly, i did.. then i just get a black screen
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1583 [17:01:13] <jelly> bugfixer: try an installer for buster instead, if the hardware is reasonably new (put to marker in the last 12 months or so)
1584 [17:01:40] <jelly> to market*
1585 [17:01:54] <bugfixer> jelly, will do.. give me a couple of minutes to report back
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1591 [17:04:29] <bugfixer> jelly, could this be related to me using the net install and not the full image?
1592 [17:04:43] <jelly> bugfixer: aboslutely not
1593 [17:04:48] <bugfixer> kay
1594 [17:04:53] <bugfixer> will try buster then
1595 [17:05:06] <jelly> they have the exact same code and drivers
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1597 [17:05:21] <jelly> just a different set of local .deb package on the medium
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1606 [17:08:03] <jelly> bugfixer: also I do not know if modern intel gpu-s require firmware to work at all, if they do then you're probably going to want an (unofficial) installer image with firmware. replaced-url
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1610 [17:09:31] <bugfixer> jelly, will try official installer first
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1612 [17:12:23] <zeta-> petn-randall: thanks, that could help, but I'll need to do some log parsing ...
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1615 [17:13:34] <bugfixer> jelly, buster seems to work \0/
1616 [17:13:36] <bugfixer> thx!
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1623 [17:16:18] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Current Intel processors work without firmware even where firmware is available. They'll complain but run just fine.
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1634 [17:19:16] <rant> complaning is usually more the software's job, not the hardware :P
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1636 [17:20:06] <joepublic> Phoronix says intel has chips requiring non-free firmware, replaced-url
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1640 [17:21:22] <jelly> it's phoronix, I do not have any truth value assigned to that source
1641 [17:22:02] <joepublic> It's the premeire, most reliable, most established linux hardware website in the universe. Your personal truth values aren't involved.
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1647 [17:23:19] <joepublic> It's the truth of "yes intel has chips requiring non-free firmware" vs. "no intel chip requires non-free firmware" (only one of which can be true) that is interesting, not people's opinions about Michael Larabel or Phoronix.
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1653 [17:25:53] <jelly> that was just a silly way to say "they've been wrong or too fast to draw conclusions so many times that I find them useless as a reference"
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1655 [17:28:47] <bugfixer> what additional firmware will i need for nuc8i7beh.. wireless and graphic?
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1657 [17:29:57] <jhutchins_wk> joepublic: My experience is that the chips will function without the firmware, but are able to use it improve features and/or performance.
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1660 [17:31:30] <jelly> wireless probably won't work at all without it
1661 [17:31:33] <joepublic> jhutchins_wk, it will function with features like 3d and video playback accelleration and the firmware make it faster? or it will function fb/vesa and firmware enables features like 3d and video-accel which make it faster?
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1666 [17:32:38] <jelly> the fact that buster installer worked seems to say at least GPU was able to at least with in EFI framebuffer mode well enough without firmware
1667 [17:32:53] <jhutchins_wk> Seeing as this article is from 2015 and we've been running Skylake graphics for four years now, I think it's probably limited to certain edge-case GPU applications.
1668 [17:33:00] <jelly> and possibly with i915 fb
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1671 [17:34:34] <jelly> bugfixer: and you probably want intel microcode firmware that enables CPU fixes (including mitigations against recent vulnerabilities)
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1677 [17:36:31] <bugfixer> jelly, can you point me to a package? right now syslog gui just crashes when i try to use it
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1682 [17:37:35] <de-facto> So i have dns partly working i guess, i am trying to transparently proxy a docker container with apt-cacher-ng on the host, "apt-get updates" works for pulling in the normal deb,debian.org files but not for decurity.debian.org: "503 DNS error for hostname debian-security: Name or service not known."
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1684 [17:37:43] <de-facto> what is different for those?
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1686 [17:39:40] <Stx> de-facto: mistype? security.debian.org ,not decurity.debian.org
1687 [17:40:17] <de-facto> yes just a typo in my message here
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1689 [17:40:31] <de-facto> so thats not it
1690 [17:40:52] <de-facto> i didnt alter debian:stable-slim
1691 [17:40:59] <mutante> de-facto: where does the "-" come from?
1692 [17:41:17] <mutante> security.debian.org but "hostname debian-security"
1693 [17:41:26] <de-facto> good question
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1696 [17:42:55] <de-facto> that comes from apt-get itself
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1701 [17:44:22] <mutante> de-facto: i think apt-get just looks in your APT sources.list files
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1707 [17:47:17] <de-facto> mutante, it looks like this: replaced-url
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1710 [17:47:44] <de-facto> thats debian:stable-slim in docker with transparent http proxy to host apt-cacher-ng
1711 [17:48:07] <de-facto> so from within a container
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1720 [17:52:47] <jhutchins_wk> de-facto: It succeeds several times before the error, could be just a temporary glitch on the mirror you're hitting.
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1724 [17:53:46] <de-facto> maybe, but i have the suspicion something is not correct in my setup yet
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1726 [17:54:37] <wwilliam> !paste
1727 [17:54:37] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1728 [17:55:20] <de-facto> jhutchins_wk, probably something with apt-cacher-ng on the docker host system
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1730 [17:55:58] <de-facto> is a full squid better suited or such a job?
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1734 [17:58:30] <de-facto> jhutchins_wk, i am doing a iptables DNAT translation on the host to reinject packets from the docker container running debian;stable-slim to apt-cacher-ng (on host interface docker0 172.17.0.1) like this: replaced-url
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1740 [18:01:34] <de-facto> i can see the requests from the container hitting apt-cache-ng, but they produce errors: replaced-url
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1742 [18:02:01] <de-facto> e.g. "1550249978|E|781|192.168.112.2|debian-security/dists/stable/updates/InRelease [HTTP error, code: 503]"
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1747 [18:04:14] <de-facto> probably apt-cacher-ng is not suitable for transparent proxy i guess
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1749 [18:04:44] <de-facto> is there a good howto setup a full squid for such a transparent proxy job?
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1794 [18:23:40] <forester> I have made this command sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 . How to disable it?
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1799 [18:26:17] <Old_Dog> I don't know, forester, but I'm curious. what did it do?
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1802 [18:27:45] <Old_Dog> and what were you trying to do?
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1804 [18:28:13] <forester> I was trying to install wine.
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1810 [18:30:10] <Old_Dog> forester, I think that if you will install 'Play on Linux' that it will install and set up 'Wine" for you.
1811 [18:32:07] <Old_Dog> sorry, forester. I didn't realize we were on the debian channel. I don't know if 'Play on Linux' is available for anything but Mint.
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1815 [18:32:43] <forester> Old_Dog: I think it does exist in Debian too. Because all in Ubuntu is from debian.
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1819 [18:33:19] <forester> I have made this command sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 . How to disable it?
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1827 [18:35:27] <shqip> forester: dpkg --remove-architecture i386
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1833 [18:36:49] <forester> shqip: Thank you.
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1845 [18:43:15] <de-facto> wow, squid comes with a 290kB (!!!) squid.conf
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1850 [18:43:54] <beavis> ok how do i fallback to xorg on debian 10?
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1852 [18:45:35] <beavis> alright, got it
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1884 [18:57:25] <YottaiQ> Hi
1885 [18:57:26] <YottaiQ> hola
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1915 [19:07:21] <de-facto> squid seems to be extremely heavy, is there a smaller alternative which supports full transparent caching to disk http(s) proxy with HTTP 1.0 1.1 2.0 et al support? Websockets also would be nice
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1919 [19:08:14] <de-facto> something like nginx is to apache, what would be that to squid?
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1927 [19:09:56] <jelly> de-facto: I'm running squid3 on a 512M RAM VPS, what do you consider heavy?
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1930 [19:11:09] <jelly> admittedly it eats up about 300M of that
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1937 [19:12:59] <de-facto> it takes almost a minute to systemctl stop squid
1938 [19:13:06] <de-facto> on a 4GB vps
1939 [19:13:13] <de-facto> with default config
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1942 [19:13:40] <de-facto> varnish maybe?
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1946 [19:14:22] <de-facto> i have seen headers of it on the apt mirrors
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1958 [19:17:47] <mutante> de-facto: isnt that just because it's nice to the clients?
1959 [19:18:06] <mutante> and waits to shutdown more graceful or so
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1961 [19:18:20] <de-facto> no client connections yet (i think)
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1964 [19:18:39] <mutante> well.. to answer the general question, yes, varnish can replace squid
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1969 [19:19:30] <de-facto> i read it does not have SSL termination so an additional nginx would be required for that, in opossition to squid which has that functionality included (i may want to go that route in the future)
1970 [19:19:32] <mutante> but also they are moving to some kind of "open core" licensing model
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1972 [19:19:41] <mutante> maybe check out Apache Traffic Server
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1974 [19:20:15] <mutante> de-facto: that sounds true since indeed i have seen nginx as ssl offloader when varnish was used
1975 [19:20:59] <mutante> de-facto: replaced-url
1976 [19:21:06] <de-facto> yes im reading
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1979 [19:23:45] <de-facto> it also seems to be quite a heavy beast to configure though
1980 [19:24:35] <de-facto> maybe i can to it directly with nginx...?
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2088 [20:15:10] <laurus> Is it too early to install Debian Buster (using the Alpha 5 installer)?
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2092 [20:17:08] <towo`> laurus, if you have to ask such questions, then yes
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2095 [20:17:28] <laurus> towo`: Okay.
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2106 [20:21:58] <de-facto> mutante, i quickly misused my nginx as a forward caching http proxy, seems to work just fine (better than apt-cacher-ng) for now, not sure about all that fancy https stuff though and the folks at #nginx say its not meant for forward proxy stuff
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2132 [20:37:20] <bugfixer> would anyone know how to pair the logitech g pro in buster? it does not show up under available devices when i hit the connect button
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2134 [20:37:46] <Erotica> hi
2135 [20:37:52] <Erotica> can I ask a question about arch linux here
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2138 [20:38:57] <n4dir> obviously not
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2140 [20:39:04] <Erotica> why
2141 [20:39:50] <n4dir> cause you would either ask that in the arch channel or perhaps in ##linux
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2143 [20:40:02] <Erotica> what's the arch channel
2144 [20:40:06] <Erotica> if you could tell me
2145 [20:40:49] <towo`> replaced-url
2146 [20:40:50] <n4dir> replaced-url
2147 [20:40:55] <n4dir> dang, too slow.
2148 [20:41:08] <towo`> you shouldn't us arch, if you can't use a search engine
2149 [20:41:18] <travler7282> #archlinux I think
2150 [20:41:21] <Erotica> thank you
2151 [20:41:22] <travler7282> just did a channel listing
2152 [20:42:05] <travler7282> your welcome Erotica
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2158 [20:47:46] <jhutchins_wk> bugfixer: What is a logitech g pro?
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2160 [20:48:14] <bugfixer> jhutchins_wk, replaced-url
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2172 [20:53:14] <jhutchins_wk> It looks like a proprietary wireless protocol, so I would expect a usb dongel.
2173 [20:53:49] <bugfixer> jhutchins_wk, nevermind.. just fix it.. thx :)
2174 [20:54:01] <jhutchins_wk> Good for you.
2175 [20:54:06] <jhutchins_wk> What was the answer?
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2178 [20:54:37] <bugfixer> the answer was: just plug in the dongle :D
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2196 [21:04:39] <rant> thats what she said
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2198 [21:04:56] <bugfixer> lol n1
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2201 [21:05:40] <bugfixer> anyway.. have a nice weekend and thx again
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2204 [21:06:25] <rant> some folks sets em up, some folk knocks em down.. that one was irresistable :P
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2208 [21:07:59] <theteju> hi guys.. a quick question. is it possible to clone a usb device on a folder in /home directory using dd? all examples I see,, is cloning one usb to another usb.. which formats the target usb. i do not want that. I want to just "Copy" usb device contents to a directory somewhere in my /home
2209 [21:08:21] <theteju> I hope I make sense,,, am I?
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2214 [21:13:00] <rant> theteju: to copy to a "Folder" as you call it you'd have to mount the filesystem on the USB device and use cp or such.. if you want to copy it to a file however.. i.e. image it, you could use dd if=/dev/sdv /home/user/sdc.img or such
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2254 [21:41:29] <theteju> rant : thank you sir, I thought I must ask before I ran that command. appreciated.
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2257 [21:43:52] <jhutchins_wk> theteju: That image file will format the target device if you dd it to the root of the device, but you can mount it as a loopback.
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2264 [21:45:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps i am trying to follow apache config but i dont know what dologin.html should be?
2265 [21:45:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
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2277 [21:50:19] <rant> theteju: using that command it will image the entire device all partitions and the partition table
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2318 [22:18:33] <de-facto> How would i correctly run apt-get in a docker build script?
2319 [22:18:38] <de-facto> DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -qy install --no-install-recommends ${BUILD_DEPS}
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2321 [22:18:40] <de-facto> or such?
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2333 [22:24:35] <jhutchins_wk> !docker
2334 [22:24:35] <dpkg> it has been said that docker is #docker on chat.freenode.net
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2337 [22:26:58] <de-facto> !apt-get
2338 [22:26:59] <dpkg> apt-get is a program (part of the apt package) used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the original frontend for <apt>, but <aptitude> is now the recommended tool for managing packages. See also <why aptitude>, <reference>, <synaptic>, <apt-cache>, <gdebi>. replaced-url
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2343 [22:28:04] <de-facto> do i need DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive in scripts?
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2361 [22:36:59] <__m4ch1n3__> !sysv
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2380 [22:45:22] <jhutchins_wk> __m4ch1n3__: What about it?
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2387 [22:49:10] <__m4ch1n3__> :3 hmm thinking about switching to it from systemd
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2394 [22:52:52] <__m4ch1n3__> is it possible to replace systemd with sysv easily in debian through package installation?
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2396 [22:53:32] <__m4ch1n3__> are there pitfalls i should research first?
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2401 [22:54:09] <iovec> I have a non-systemd install on stretch, you won't be able to use anything that depends on it after doing that though
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2404 [22:55:23] <__m4ch1n3__> how can i get a list of things that depend on it?
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2410 [22:56:14] <__m4ch1n3__> reverse dependencie search
2411 [22:57:00] <rant> !rdepends
2412 [22:57:01] <dpkg> methinks rdepends is apt-cache rdepends foo; shows you what depends on foo
2413 [22:57:12] <rant> ,i apt-rdepends
2414 [22:57:13] <judd> Package apt-rdepends (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: recursively lists package dependencies. Version: 1.3.0-6; Size: 14.3k; Installed: 40k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2416 [22:59:57] <nkuttler> __m4ch1n3__: you don't have to uninstall systemd if you don't want to use it as init
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2418 [23:01:11] <__m4ch1n3__> hehe the rdepends is awesome
2419 [23:01:17] <__m4ch1n3__> *thing
2420 [23:02:50] <kabo> Hi, I'm having some usb mic issues. Anyone have any ideas?
2421 [23:02:54] <kabo> replaced-url
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2424 [23:03:04] <kabo> replaced-url
2425 [23:03:16] <nkuttler> !paste.debian.net
2426 [23:03:20] <kabo> I'm suspecting some udev issue, but I really have no idea
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2429 [23:03:49] <kabo> ok, I'll paste there
2430 [23:05:41] <kabo> replaced-url
2431 [23:05:44] <kabo> there we go :)
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2433 [23:06:04] <kabo> I think the imgur link may say more though
2434 [23:06:12] <kabo> basically the mic shows up as a card
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2436 [23:06:33] <kabo> but in pavucontrol it shows up under "Configuration", but not as an input device
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2439 [23:07:04] <kabo> I can record with the mic in audacity
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2441 [23:07:13] <kabo> but it doesn't show up anywhere else
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2444 [23:07:38] <kabo> and pavucontrol doesn't show audacity as a recording application when I'm recording in audacity
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2449 [23:10:59] <Masterphi> I'm running debian on a OrangePi3 SBC and it's supposed to have bluetooth, but bluetoothctl can't see the BT controller, how do I debug this?
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2463 [23:15:07] <__m4ch1n3__> nkuttler, how would i do that?
2464 [23:15:16] <__m4ch1n3__> boot option?
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2475 [23:24:05] <Sleaker> hmm, launchpads aptitude homepage link is busted, has it been relocated?
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2479 [23:25:44] <Sleaker> just trying to get some info on what appears to be changes in aptitude 'versions' command changing between .6.8 and .8.7
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2489 [23:33:09] <rant> Sleaker: perhaps you were looking for #ubuntu ?
2490 [23:33:16] <Sleaker> nope
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2492 [23:33:51] <Sleaker> just trying to find a homepage for the aptitude project and the launchpas thing links to a debian page that's defunct now.
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2494 [23:34:10] <Sleaker> and I'm trying to figure out differences for the version on stretch, vs an older ubuntu version
2495 [23:34:33] <Sleaker> so wanted to comb through update changelogs to see if I could track down what exactly changed in the pattern matching for 'aptitude versions'
2496 [23:35:02] <Sleaker> but... I'm also just wondering if the original method of pattern matching we used for this stuff was just wrong to start with.
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2500 [23:36:07] <Sleaker> was using 'aptitude version "^$PACKAGE_NAME$"
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2502 [23:36:29] <Sleaker> but... .8.7 doesn't accept it as ^ and $ are regex.
2503 [23:36:34] <rant> Sleaker: replaced-url
2504 [23:36:43] <Sleaker> cool thanks
2505 [23:37:02] <Sleaker> launchpad apparently didn't update their links. not super surprised.
2506 [23:37:39] <rant> Sleaker: yeah well I couldn't care less about launchpad, but p.d.o didn't change it either
2507 [23:37:45] <Sleaker> for sure
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2513 [23:38:56] <rant> actually I think I need to look into this.. cause IIRC ailoth went down quite a long time ago and even mailing list links are still pointing there
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2515 [23:39:07] <rant> dpkg, ailoth?
2516 [23:39:08] <dpkg> wish i knew, rant
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2524 [23:42:48] <rant> dpkg, ailoth was was a GForge/FusionForge based system run by Debian for hosting free sofware and documentation projects. Ailoth was switched off in June 2018 and has been replaced by a GitLab based solution called salsa replaced-url
2525 [23:42:48] <dpkg> rant: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
2526 [23:43:10] <rant> dpkg, ailoth is <reply> ailoth was a GForge/FusionForge based system run by Debian for hosting free sofware and documentation projects. Ailoth was switched off in June 2018 and has been replaced by a GitLab based solution called salsa replaced-url
2527 [23:43:11] <dpkg> okay, rant
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2530 [23:44:37] <Sleaker> hmm I don't understand why we are trying to regex 'aptitude versions' anyway, seems like we should ust do exact name matching since we already have the exact pacakge name.....
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2532 [23:44:42] <Sleaker> ugh code rot
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2545 [23:53:33] <Sleaker> ok now I'm just confused the pattern matching doc for aptitude doesn't even work as input for aptitude versions
2546 [23:53:40] <Sleaker> eg: aptitude versions 'opengl (perl|python)'
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2548 [23:54:04] <Sleaker> returns: E: Argument is neither a package name nor a pattern: 'opengl (perl|python)'
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