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• 1[00:01:16] <rant> yeah the fsck times are really low and I never lost anything either.. once I had a dir appear empty and got errors but a quick fsck fixed it
• 2[00:01:35] <rant> oddly it was only appearing empty in the GUI not the terminal
• 3[00:02:35] <theartificial> How do most packaging systems do trust and integrity of binary packages? Hash the binary and then GPG sign the hash file?
• 4[00:02:58] <EdePopede> did you unchek "hide system files" in explorer?
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• 16[00:08:11] <EdePopede> i was about to give gui file managers a chance when installing squeeze. tried lxde first, but which mounted a partition into /media while i tried to see if it has a context menu for them. not nice. but the best thing was, it created the mountpoint in /media though it was writable only for root. how? who knows...
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• 71[00:37:52] <rant> theartificial: in debian we verify integrity based on the entire package and its signature, unless you use further security tools like a tripwire system or such
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• 75[00:41:34] <rant> theartificial: possibly of interest: replaced-url
• 76[00:42:22] <somiaj> EdePopede: there are various ways in which desktops (like LXDE) give privlage escilation for a desktop user to do root operations. Policykit is a common tool for this on modern desktops.
• 77[00:43:16] <rant> typically mounts are made in /media/user/ and the mounts themselves are user owned, but depending on the filesystem.. everything under that...
• 78[00:43:43] <joepublic> the package manager is making a list and checking it twice, but other tools can find out who's naughty or nice
• 79[00:44:01] <rant> joepublic: heh
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• 81[00:45:50] <EdePopede> somiaj: thanks, i'll add it to my reading list. back then somehow i got no answer what was going on.
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• 83[00:46:49] <somiaj> EdePopede: I only vaguly know about such stuff. I don't like my machine to do stuff automatically, so I still manually mount stuff with sudo as root.
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• 86[00:47:30] <EdePopede> hm. are there any hooks for scripting? since mount(8) doesn't really accept options from non-root users... mostly i'd like to be able to decide at mount time if i need write access or not
• 87[00:47:38] <joepublic> I think that the computer should do work for me whenever possible and appropriate, instead of vice versa, so I am cool with the /media/`whoami`/whatever automount thing.
• 88[00:47:43] <somiaj> rant: is that where it put them, I hought is put them as /media/volumnename or something like that, but might depend on desktop/configuration.
• 89[00:47:59] <rant> EdePopede: this is what FUSE is for
• 90[00:48:01] <somiaj> EdePopede: is this for plugging in a usb drive?
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• 92[00:48:43] <rant> somiaj: no it does it by user
• 93[00:49:00] <somiaj> hmm, see as soon as I think I got use to something it changes
• 94[00:49:05] <somiaj> last time I checked it just did things in /media
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• 96[00:49:21] <EdePopede> somiaj: it was mostly a thing with FAT32 or NTFS, less with ext4. i think i also used the drive with the installed XP as data storage (is fine for tarballs).
• 97[00:49:21] <rant> yeah well freedesktop.org :P
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• 99[00:50:11] <somiaj> EdePopede: fat32 and ntfs file systems are given fake unix permissions, so at mount time they are given permisions accoriding to uid,gid, and umask,fmask,dmask settings in the mount command
• 100[00:50:48] <EdePopede> somiaj: with sudo only?
• 101[00:50:50] <somiaj> EdePopede: auto mounters will often make this the permission of the user logged into the desktop, though it defaults to root if none are set
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• 103[00:51:40] <rant> exfat and ntfs-3g are FUSE drivers
• 104[00:51:41] <somiaj> EdePopede: this is part of the mount command, for example if you mount it manually, mount -o uid=username,gid=usergroup /dev/whatever /media/whatever will mount vfat (fat32) or ntfs partitions with the owner and group set to the uid and gid names you give.
• 105[00:51:47] <rant> they do not require root perms
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• 107[00:51:58] <EdePopede> automount, well. i also don't like the compouter doing things i didn't tell it before to do ;)
• 108[00:52:15] <joepublic> fun fact: The point of HURD if it ever gets finished is that there is no need for FUST
• 109[00:52:17] <joepublic> er FUSE
• 110[00:52:29] <somiaj> well now I'm confused if EdePopede is thinking the root permissions are for the mounting, or the permissions on the mounted file system. I almost now think they are talking about the permissions given to the mounted file system (not that it requires root permissions to mount)
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• 112[00:52:59] <EdePopede> somiaj: as in `mount $foo -o rw` vs. `sudo mount $foo -o rw`
• 113[00:53:01] <rant> joepublic: maybe your parents never told you.. the HURD is a lie :P
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• 115[00:53:32] <joepublic> Great story: I have HURD running on a baremetal server here. It sucks. The End.
• 116[00:54:07] <GumShoe> So I'm up on armbian debian stretch on a Pine64 via wifi of Ethernet. I'm trying to use connmanctl to connect to a new SSID. I used connmanctl to connect to the current SSID. I am currently in via ethernet trying to connect to the new ssid unsuccessfully. I can't seem to figure out or google out how to remove the password on the working ssid. Can't seem to find a priority command for which ssid to connect to
• 117[00:54:24] <somiaj> EdePopede: sudo is just a way to run things as root for a user that is given that power via sudo.
• 118[00:54:35] <joepublic> Congrats GumShoe
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• 120[00:55:23] <GumShoe> I've never had any trouble connecting to this new ssid I want to connect to an AT&T wireless hotspot...
• 121[00:55:26] <EdePopede> with all these problems last year (and also before because other reasons, though forgot wich ones) i changed everything in fstab to `ro` which was not needed for normal system operation. mainly everything related to external data storage. i had to reboot much too often to do a chkdsk on the ntfs partitions...
• 122[00:55:29] <somiaj> !armbian
• 123[00:55:30] <dpkg> Armbian is a project that has pre-compiled custom Debian and Ubuntu installer images for <ARM> boards, and a small package repository with kernels, drivers, and utilities which are supported in #armbian. It is not a complete distribution, and uses unmodified Debian or Ubuntu official package repos. kernel/hw/installer/building questions: #armbian.
• 124[00:55:54] * rant grins
• 125[00:56:23] <EdePopede> somiaj, that's what i meant > mount: only root can use "--options" option
• 126[00:56:34] <GumShoe> Is there a way to delete / forget the password for the exhisting ssid?
• 127[00:56:47] <joepublic> The answer to "is there a way" is almost always yes.
• 128[00:56:56] <somiaj> GumShoe: I don't know armbian, but sounds like it is loosly based off debian (not a debian pure blend), you may want to find support for that in #armbian. As for your wifi, I personally use wpa_supplicant for cli wifi configuration in debian as opposed to the tools you mention.
• 129[00:56:59] <joepublic> I just don't recall what the preferred way is.
• 130[00:57:00] <EdePopede> tried to mount a data partition readonly as user (fstab has at as rw), won't do it.
• 131[00:57:38] <joepublic> Fun Fact: armbian is a custom debian-installer that uses debian repos.
• 132[00:57:39] <GumShoe> Perhaps I should have asked Does anyone know how? Belive me I can RTFM. irc isn't my first goto for answers...
• 133[00:57:49] <de-facto> I am using debian:stable-slim docker image in my continuous integration system: is there an image prepared for development? I need build-essential libc6-dev libhidapi-dev libssl-dev and dont want to pull it everytime with "apt -y install ..."
• 134[00:57:51] <somiaj> EdePopede: in general only root can mount due to security reasons unless you have a mount point configured in /etc/fstab, you can configure those --options (such as uid, gid) in /etc/fstab for a known mount.
• 135[00:57:54] <joepublic> There almost certainly exist folks who know how.
• 136[00:58:06] <GumShoe> is joepublic a 'bot?
• 137[00:58:25] <joepublic> I am not a bot. People ask bad questions all the time, then don't like the answers.
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• 139[00:58:29] <rant> GumShoe: no, you're just not asking good questions the first question was close but rather confusing
• 140[00:58:40] <joepublic> I just enjoy the 6,345,234th iteration of same question, same answer
• 141[00:58:48] <somiaj> EdePopede: so do you have a mount configured in /etc/fstab of fat32/ntfs you wish to set a different owner/user for?
• 142[00:58:53] <joepublic> No offense intended.
• 143[00:59:25] <somiaj> also seem to be asking for some debian/ubuntu based thing and tools that I don't recongize in debian.
• 144[00:59:33] * rant is the one who wrote that armbian factoid because unlike raspbian, ubuntu, etc.. its not a spinoff.. its just a different installer and kernel
• 145[00:59:39] <EdePopede> somiaj: and that's exactly the point i don't understand. not allowing a user mount -rw on a partition registered as read-only, ok. don't let users get more rights on their own. but where is the problem of mount -ro with a partition with a `rw` entry from fstab?
• 146[00:59:59] <rant> I dont know of connmanctl either... but as I said, armbian doesnt have its own packages like that.. its debian
• 147[01:00:14] <rant> ,find bin/connmanctl
• 148[01:00:17] <judd> Search for bin/connmanctl in stretch/amd64: connman: usr/sbin/connmanctl
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• 150[01:00:58] <rant> that is of course provided you are using the debian armbian and not the ubuntu one
• 151[01:00:58] <somiaj> hmm, sseems this stuff is in the connman package, which is more meant for embedded systems. This might not be something many users here are familar with, so thus we try to point you to places you can find the info, such as maybe #armbian
• 152[01:01:21] <EdePopede> somiaj: no, and the problem isn't really existing anymore now. at least for the moment. i only wanted to get around root mounting things or being forced to sudo it every time (i hate typing passwords into the blind)
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• 155[01:02:22] <nevivurn> Hi, I'm backing up a fairly large directory with rsync to a remote system, but it seems to hang at 'sending incremental file list'. Is this normal for large directories, or is it possbily hanging at something else?
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• 158[01:02:37] <EdePopede> i think i also had some issues with usb sticks not properly unmounted, but i wouldn't put my hand into the fire for it now.
• 159[01:02:47] <nevivurn> Due to some unrelated problems, uid lookup is quite slow on this system; could that be the cause of this, or does rsync not do uid lookups?
• 160[01:02:48] <joepublic> nevivurn, normal for large file list esp. over slow link
• 161[01:02:50] <somiaj> EdePopede: I don't really have a good solution for your use case, and in general the mount tool dosen't include lots of what users should be able to do vs what root can do, and except for exact enteries in /etc/fstab is something that only root can use.
• 162[01:02:59] <nevivurn> Ah, alright. Thanks!
• 163[01:03:19] <somiaj> EdePopede: One work around is you could configure sudo to require no password, so when you use it, it just runs with out asking for a password.
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• 165[01:03:40] <rant> mount isn't required if you use the fuse utilities
• 166[01:03:52] <rant> like fuseisomount or such
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• 168[01:04:03] <rant> most things have fuse drivers and utilities
• 169[01:04:09] <somiaj> I'm unsure what sort of things fuse allows, but mount itself is mostly a root only command.
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• 172[01:05:45] <rant> mount is far from root only it only requires root for things not in fstab with user option, things not using fuse, and for using the -o options
• 173[01:06:06] <rant> when you mount ntfs-3g with the mount command, mount is just running a FUSE command anyhow
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• 175[01:07:59] <rant> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 146128 Feb 26 2017 /bin/ntfs-3g
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• 177[01:08:36] <rant> you'll notice /sbin/mount.ntfs and /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g link to this SUID binary and this is what mount uses when mounting NTFS
• 178[01:08:52] <rant> this is the case with many things these days
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• 180[01:09:18] <EdePopede> and that's the thing. mount is "push the button" for users. as a user i can't even _deny_ privileges, like the one to write to the disk.
• 181[01:09:21] <somiaj> Yup, I just don't keep up, but since I mostly use ext4 file systems, I odn't really use FUSE
• 182[01:09:35] <EdePopede> and for the fuse thing, i never understood what it is for.
• 183[01:09:52] <rant> its for developing filesystem drivers outside the kernel
• 184[01:10:05] <EdePopede> really. reading the start of the manpage it makes me believe i have to implement(!!!!) my own private filesystem to the kernel
• 185[01:10:08] <joepublic> fuse is so people can get a filesystem working for a large audience without having to get it included in the kernel
• 186[01:10:11] <joepublic> yeah what rant said
• 187[01:10:29] <EdePopede> ah so fuse is for developers
• 188[01:10:35] <rant> there are fuse drivers for NTFS, EXFAT, Zip files, ISOs, etc
• 189[01:10:38] <EdePopede> doesn't help a desktop user
• 190[01:10:42] <joepublic> fuse is a kernel interface for userspace filesystems
• 191[01:10:51] <joepublic> userspace filesystems help desktop users.
• 192[01:10:53] <rant> the filesystems RUN in userspace
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• 194[01:11:06] <rant> which means they dont require root permissions
• 195[01:11:13] <rant> in most cases
• 196[01:11:42] <joepublic> since as the user, you are running the filesystem's process(es), you own them and are as good as root to them.
• 197[01:11:44] <rant> it can of course be configured otherwise and blocked.. but default behavior of fuse utils is allowing the user access
• 198[01:12:31] <somiaj> EdePopede: I think the issue is the standard conflict with desktop users, in what should a user be able to do, vs what is root's responsibility. To me a user should not be able to deny privlages on a mounted file system. (now of course with desktops, and want to set up admin users) there is no easy answer (and multiple tools for configuring such things)
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• 200[01:13:36] <somiaj> I personally use sudo, but understand that it is not ideal for many desktop users.
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• 205[01:14:32] <EdePopede> i don't even like it to login on a tty. in the login manager i have the dots at least, but in text mode? try again.....
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• 220[01:25:01] <linuxthefish> hey, on "Get:13 replaced-url
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• 222[01:25:33] <somiaj> maybe switch your mirror to deb.debian.org
• 223[01:25:38] <somiaj> !deb.debian.org
• 224[01:25:38] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
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• 227[01:27:28] <themill> (also, use stretch not stable in your sources.list)
• 228[01:27:37] <EdePopede> hm, that's how the manpage starts > ntfs-3g is an NTFS driver -- a weird name for a cli tool
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• 231[01:28:44] <linuxthefish> somiaj yeah I tried that already and it's still stuck, my sources.list is replaced-url
• 232[01:29:30] <rant> EdePopede: you been around long enough to know about TSR drivers in MS-DOS? :P
• 233[01:30:04] <rant> its kind-of the same thing
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• 236[01:30:54] <rant> MSCDEX.EXE, EMM386.EXE, etc..
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• 238[01:30:58] <linuxthefish> is there any way to enable extra output for apt/aptitude/apt-get update to see why it would be stuck?
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• 240[01:31:15] <EdePopede> rant: exactly my thought. it gets loaded at boot time or login > driver. it is to be used > command. sure you did put mouse.com into your config.sys (because of LH anyway) but usually you didn't start it from command.com. even if, it returned and left back some resident part.
• 241[01:31:27] <rant> linuxthefish: when it does that I issue a ^C and restart it, usually with different mirror
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• 244[01:32:27] <EdePopede> heh. rant: remember ralf brown's interrupt list? there was a tsr version of it, came in handy while being in turbo vision. huh, memories...
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• 246[01:32:32] <rant> EdePopede: fuse drivers are similar.. when run, they load a driver.. only they typically stay running as long as the driver is in use.. killing them removes the mount
• 247[01:32:51] <linuxthefish> rant it's the same whatever mirror I try, it's a clean install and I can access the mirrors fine using curl
• 248[01:33:16] <linuxthefish> I even tried setting the hosts file to a single ipv4 or ipv6 and that didn't work either
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• 253[01:33:54] <EdePopede> hm. could be i never checked htop while using them. but still, i didn't find my way into really using the fuse system. somehow i didn't find any description of the big picture that was usable for me.
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• 257[01:34:51] <somiaj> linuxthefish: df -h (is your disk full?)
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• 259[01:35:12] <somiaj> linuxthefish: I don't really know what the problem could be, but sometimes a full disk can cause strange things.
• 260[01:35:42] <linuxthefish> somiaj nope 2TB free disk
• 261[01:35:48] <linuxthefish> I guess I should just reinstall...
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• 266[01:38:37] <abrotman> linuxthefish: did you purge the cache from the filesystem?
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• 268[01:38:53] <linuxthefish> ah, rebooting fixed it! what a strange problem :o
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• 270[01:39:08] <linuxthefish> abrotman yeah I tried apt-get clean and deleting cache stuff, but it's fixed now :d
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• 272[01:39:28] * abrotman blames the internet
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• 275[01:40:16] <linuxthefish> yeah I guess, anyway thanks all for your help :)
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• 293[01:57:01] <ryouma> are there any solutions for allowing debconf in emacs m-x shell with it showing defaults? dialog and whiptail do not seem possible in that dumb a terminal, but can't there be a dumb-ish version of debconf that shows defaults with asterisks in text or something?
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• 299[02:02:06] <jmcnaught> ryouma: there's a readline debconf frontend
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• 302[02:03:06] <ryouma> jmcnaught: would that run in emacs m-x shell and show defaults?
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• 304[02:03:31] <ryouma> i thought readline was individual keys. emacs m-x shell is based on comint, which is whole line at a time.
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• 306[02:03:55] <ryouma> (sort of)
• 307[02:04:42] <jmcnaught> I don't use emacs but I think readline would work in places that whiptail doesn't, worth a try at least
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• 312[02:08:02] <ryouma> just tried it, didn't show defaults
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• 314[02:08:15] <ryouma> there is an editor frontend, but it failed
• 315[02:08:53] <ryouma> "Subroutine Debconf::FrontEnd::Editor::SUPER::screenwidth redefined at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Base.pm line 31, <GEN1> line 7." and "emacsclient: can't find socket; have you started the server?" -- i have started the server
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• 374[03:01:58] <CrystalMath> what should i do to safely move from sysvinit to openrc?
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• 390[03:24:37] <de-facto> when i do the normal apt-get update && apt-get --yes install build-essential, how can I cache the downloads and repopulate? I dont want to hit the repo servers too often with my build pipeline
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• 394[03:25:59] <de-facto> put a squid cache in between somehow?
• 395[03:26:56] <de-facto> how do i point apt from within docker to a squid cache?
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• 404[03:37:22] <petn-randall> de-facto: you can have your own partial mirror. I'd use apt-cacher-ng.
• 405[03:37:25] <petn-randall> !apt-cacher-ng
• 406[03:37:26] <dpkg> apt-cacher-ng is a replacement for <apt-proxy>. Its usage is documented at replaced-url
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• 411[03:40:05] <peeps[lappy]> hello, can someone explain to me the difference between "soft freeze" and "full freeze" ?
• 412[03:40:44] <abrotman> !slushy
• 413[03:40:45] <dpkg> When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
• 414[03:40:50] <abrotman> like that?/
• 415[03:41:40] <de-facto> petn-randall, interessting, which modifications would i need to make inside a docker image, say debian:stable-slim to use apt-cacher-ng of my host system?
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• 420[03:44:09] <peeps[lappy]> ah i found the info i was looking for: replaced-url
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• 474[04:38:15] <ryouma> so that is a soft freeze?
• 475[04:38:28] <ryouma> then what use is a hard freeze?
• 476[04:38:45] <ryouma> (not rhetorical)
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• 486[04:41:28] <indigoblu> is there a way to boot Debian using a static IP from kernel args ( before preseed ) ? :-)
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• 488[04:44:24] <klys> yeah you have to disable kernel level autoconfiguration with the right params if i know
• 489[04:45:36] <klys> i may not know
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• 491[04:46:32] <klys> have a look at one of the kernel configs, make menuconfig on a kernel you may already have, and the Documentation/ of course.
• 492[04:48:10] <klys> replaced-url
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• 519[05:11:03] <hesco> I am at the end of a debian-installer but I do not have apt-get or dpkg available. I have no /etc/apt path for my sources.list.d/ files. Poking around in debian/pool/main/ I am not seeing anything which looks like a source for netselect-apt. Any guidance on where this went wrong and what I can do to recover this broken installation?
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• 523[05:16:09] <klys> hesco, did you install grub and reboot?
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• 526[05:19:37] <Wulf> hesco: if you're still inside d-i, your system was installed into /target/
• 527[05:19:59] <Wulf> hesco: and you should have gotten some error messsage on console 1 and in the logs (console 5?)
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• 533[05:25:39] <hesco> it did install grub, but has not rebooted yet. There are some drivers I need to install before the reboot, or it will fail when it tries to enable my GPU. This is the 4th or 5th install I have done to this same drive. I need dpkg or apt-get to complete the work of making this machine bootable.
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• 535[05:26:23] <Wulf> hesco: cd /target; chroot .
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• 537[05:27:36] <hesco> thanks Wulf. just found what I need there!
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• 565[06:16:23] <rant> Lately when I go to "Safely remove" my WD Passport drive via caja in Mate on Stretch it locks my machine up.. even sysrq doesn't work and my CPU fan is running hard when it does it. IDK whats going, any thoughts? The drive has a single LUKS/ext4 partition
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• 569[06:19:50] <Wulf> what's a "WD Passport drive"?
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• 572[06:20:50] <Wulf> Anyway, removing anything with device-mapper or other fancy block layers must be done correctly to work. But I never saw a machine lock up because of this.
• 573[06:20:59] <ov3rmind> hellogreat guys
• 574[06:21:14] <Wulf> hello puny guy.
• 575[06:21:40] <ov3rmind> here is a good time to say good night:)
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• 578[06:23:15] <rant> Wulf: WD Passport is a brand name of an external drive by Western Digital
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• 580[06:23:41] <rant> its a 2.5in SATA HDD in a USB3 enclosure
• 581[06:24:11] <Wulf> ok, so it's some usb block storage
• 582[06:24:21] <rant> yes
• 583[06:24:23] <Wulf> really shouldn't lock up your computer. Kernel bug.
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• 587[06:26:01] <rant> hmm.. looks like according to my dpkg log that I upgraded to 4.9.0-8 on Jan 03
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• 589[06:26:47] <rant> gonna see first if I can reproduce the lockup right now then when I have to hardboot, I'll boot the 4.9.0-7 and see if it still does it
• 590[06:27:00] <rant> cause I dont recall it doing this until recently
• 591[06:28:21] <rant> well, that unlocked, mounted, and removed without issue..
• 592[06:28:35] * rant tries again
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• 603[06:34:10] <velix> Does anyone want to write an report about a bug I've found? I don't want to earn the roses.
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• 606[06:35:36] <rant> well thats odd.. I trashed a small file and did it again and it locked up.. but then rebooting with the old kernel it doesnt even show the option to safely remove anymore.. just says unmount only
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• 693[07:58:35] <Old_Dog> what is the password on a live usb of Debian 9.7 MATE? I can't get out of the screensaver
• 694[07:59:24] <Old_Dog> I hate to have to reboot, but I guess I can.
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• 696[07:59:32] <Haohmaru> try an empty password?
• 697[08:00:09] <Haohmaru> my impression is, during debian live, you can just "sudo" stuff, it doesn't ask you for a password
• 698[08:00:12] <Old_Dog> yeah, I tried that a couple of times didn't work
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• 700[08:00:50] <diogenes_> try sudo -S
• 701[08:00:59] <diogenes_> no pw
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• 703[08:02:14] <Old_Dog> I'm stuck in the screensaver can't get to a terminal
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• 705[08:03:00] <diogenes_> ctrl+alt+f1
• 706[08:03:32] <__m4ch1n3__> alt+f4
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• 708[08:04:23] <Old_Dog> ok that got me to a terminal sudo -S didn't do anythng (that I can tell)
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• 710[08:04:55] <Old_Dog> sudo -s
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• 712[08:05:05] <Old_Dog> sorry
• 713[08:05:15] <__m4ch1n3__> -S != -s
• 714[08:05:24] <diogenes_> capital S
• 715[08:06:06] <Old_Dog> yeah I used a capital S, but it didn't do anything, but neither did the lowercase s
• 716[08:07:35] <__m4ch1n3__> did the prompt char changed from $ to #
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• 718[08:08:03] <__m4ch1n3__> user@host /path/ $
• 719[08:08:05] <Old_Dog> yep it sure did
• 720[08:08:18] <__m4ch1n3__> so it did something
• 721[08:08:22] <Old_Dog> so now I'm root
• 722[08:08:28] <__m4ch1n3__> yes
• 723[08:08:28] <Old_Dog> so what now?
• 724[08:08:30] <diogenes_> lol
• 725[08:08:40] <Haohmaru> kill teh screensav0r!
• 726[08:08:46] <sneep> You can change the password using the 'passwd' command
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• 728[08:08:56] <__m4ch1n3__> yes or restart display manager
• 729[08:09:16] <__m4ch1n3__> that would restart thee X-session
• 730[08:09:20] <Haohmaru> kill it softly tho
• 731[08:09:32] <__m4ch1n3__> service lightdm restart
• 732[08:09:44] <__m4ch1n3__> assumed you have lightdm running
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• 738[08:12:55] <Old_Dog> whatever i did, I locked it up. so I turned it off and rebooted. Old dog learned a couple of tricks in the process. Thans fellows.
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• 741[08:14:07] <__m4ch1n3__> and I thought you cant teach an old dog new tricks
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• 744[08:16:50] <Old_Dog> only certain old dogs
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• 763[08:24:07] <Posterdati> hi
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• 799[08:47:09] <klys> posterdati, hello
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• 807[08:52:20] <Posterdati> hi
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• 809[08:52:51] <Posterdati> I've got problem with kde tray: kvirc and amarok icons disappeared after log out/in
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• 812[08:53:09] <Posterdati> I did the latest dist-upgrade
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• 895[09:50:53] <pefi> Is there an easy way of checking installed package version under ubuntu/debian? I mean something like fedora "rpm -q tar" producing tar-1.30-6.fc29.x86_64. i'm searching for the last 20 minutes and apt, apt-cache, aptitude and dpkg can do everything you want except simple producing package version My search skills are failing me or the deb system doesn't provide it?
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• 899[09:52:13] <__m4ch1n3__> they should be only in tray if they are current running
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• 903[09:52:32] <__m4ch1n3__> Posterdati,
• 904[09:52:42] <pefi> I need it for a script that has to check a few packages before building some ancient version of spooles - normally autotools would tke case of checking required libraries, but this time I have to do it manually
• 905[09:53:14] <Posterdati> __m4ch1n3__: can't believe it, I was thinking that they magically appears!
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• 907[09:54:17] <__m4ch1n3__> :D if you close the X session and login again both should not be running
• 908[09:54:34] <__m4ch1n3__> show in tray is usally an in application setting
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• 910[09:55:01] <__m4ch1n3__> so its uniq setting for each
• 911[09:55:14] <Time-Warp> i have exciting news for the room
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• 915[09:55:30] <Time-Warp> xygrib will be taking over for zygrib starting today
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• 917[09:56:49] <__m4ch1n3__> pefi try libspooles-dev
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• 919[09:57:08] <__m4ch1n3__> pefi, do you want du build libspooles from source?
• 920[09:57:17] <__m4ch1n3__> if yes "apt-get build-dep libspooles2.2"
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• 922[09:57:41] <__m4ch1n3__> *try install
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• 925[09:58:59] <__m4ch1n3__> Posterdati, maybe you changed the x-session type in displaymanager greeter/login screen
• 926[09:59:12] <pefi> __m4ch1n3__ I'm building CalculiX from source, but it debian provides spooles I might use it instead of building it.. thanks!
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• 928[09:59:43] <Posterdati> __m4ch1n3__: reboot just fixed it
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• 931[10:00:43] <__m4ch1n3__> debian provides also calculix-ccx
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• 933[10:01:13] <__m4ch1n3__> you could get build dependencies with "apt-get build-dep calculix-ccx"
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• 935[10:02:05] <pefi> thanks again!
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• 981[10:30:41] <forester> Hullo. I have a question. For example, there is an installed package "curl" 7.52.1-5+deb9u8. Today there is an updated version in repository 7.52.1-5+deb9u9. And I think: should I update it or not? Because the version is the same. What could you say?
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• 984[10:32:16] <steph_> Hey, how do I use sed -i to replace NAME with actual variable ?
• 985[10:32:43] <strk> sed -i "s/NAME/${variable}/g"
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• 987[10:32:59] <strk> steph_: sed -i "s/NAME/${variable}/g" myfilename.txt
• 988[10:33:16] <Wulf> man envsubst
• 989[10:33:20] <strk> or you mean generic NAME with variable having same name ?
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• 991[10:33:27] <__m4ch1n3__> +deb9u9 and +deb9u8 is not same
• 992[10:33:47] <__m4ch1n3__> are that debian packages?
• 993[10:33:48] <jelly> forester: the version is not the same
• 994[10:33:51] <__m4ch1n3__> or ubuntu
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• 997[10:34:30] <__m4ch1n3__> 8 != 9
• 998[10:34:33] <__m4ch1n3__> :3
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• 1002[10:35:58] <__m4ch1n3__> forester, and in general you should always try keep your system as uptodate as possible
• 1003[10:36:47] <__m4ch1n3__> except it would break your work/production enviroment
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• 1005[10:38:53] <Old_Dog> ok I have successfully (albeit painfully) installed Debian 9.7 (I think) MATE on my HP Laptop. First thing I would think I need to do is download updates. Is there a GUI for that, or how do I select which updates to download?
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• 1007[10:40:24] <forester> Thank you for your answers. But deb9u8 ( = debian 9.8 (update 8) ) and deb9u9 (= debian 9.9 (update 9)) mean that this is new iso-image. But the version of the package is the same : 7.52.1-5.
• 1008[10:41:31] <forester> Old_Dog: Hi. Are you from Texas?
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• 1011[10:42:04] <Old_Dog> yessir, forester I am.
• 1012[10:42:15] <forester> Do you remember me?
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• 1015[10:42:27] <__m4ch1n3__> no its not, you can download both versions of deb package and compare sha- or md5 sums
• 1016[10:43:16] <Old_Dog> can't say that I do. where should I remember you from, forester ?
• 1017[10:43:22] <forester> Old_Dog: You could use synaptic for updating.
• 1018[10:43:45] <Old_Dog> ok thanks.
• 1019[10:44:02] <forester> Old_Dog: Yes. I forget. I was like RussianOrthodoxChristian_I_am.
• 1020[10:44:02] <jelly> forester: the whole 7.52.1-5+deb9u9 is package version. These do not correspond to .iso image builds, they are there because of actual changes in source
• 1021[10:44:56] <jelly> forester: you can read the changelog entries on tracker.debian.org/packagename, or install apt-listchanges to view them before confirming an upgrade
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• 1025[10:48:33] <forester> jelly: u9 (update 9) means that this version of package will be in Debian 9.9 iso-image. If it would not be there is could be like 7.52.1-6. (!6). Thank you for your suggestion to watch changelog.
• 1026[10:49:06] <jelly> forester: no, it does not.
• 1027[10:49:17] <forester> or this is true only for sid?
• 1028[10:50:02] <jelly> forester: nothing you wrote in that line is correct.
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• 1031[10:50:18] <Sveta> huh? whats right?
• 1032[10:50:31] <jelly> what's wrong?
• 1033[10:50:39] <__m4ch1n3__> NOTHING and EVERYTHING
• 1034[10:50:49] <jelly> is there an absolute moral and versioning guide?
• 1035[10:51:27] <jelly> !debian revision
• 1036[10:51:27] <dpkg> somebody said debian revision was a number added to the package number to show that the Debian maintainers for the package have had a number of attempts at the packaging. The Debian revision is the string after the last - in the version (1.2.3-5 has a Debian revision of 5) and will also indicate a security update (e.g.1+squeeze2) or an NMU. Ask me about <nmu> <binnmu> <compare versions> <version epoch>, or see section 5.6.12 of <policy>.
• 1037[10:53:14] <jelly> forester: other distros might use different semantics for the "debian revision" part of a package version. It would be an error to think all the distros use similar semantics.
• 1038[10:53:43] <jelly> different distros, different policies
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• 1044[10:58:14] <__m4ch1n3__> hey i would like to rebuild the ath9k(_htc) kernel module with debugging enabled and spectral scan option but there is no CONFIG_ATH9K_COMMON_SPECTRAL line in my boot/config-`uname -r` like mentioned here replaced-url
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• 1046[10:59:06] <__m4ch1n3__> is the source kernel package in debian capable of that feature?
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• 1048[11:02:13] <__m4ch1n3__> i guess it would be at least there comented out, if the kernel would support it oe?
• 1049[11:02:21] <__m4ch1n3__> *or
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• 1051[11:04:23] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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• 1053[11:05:35] <Sveta> 'apt-get source xkill' says 'impossible to find package with source code for xkill', here is my sources.list, what am i missing ? replaced-url
• 1054[11:06:13] <__m4ch1n3__> if you have X/Xorg installed xkill is propably installed already
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• 1057[11:06:56] <__m4ch1n3__> if its not "apt-get install x11-utils"
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• 1060[11:07:26] <__m4ch1n3__> apt-cache search <searchpattern>
• 1061[11:07:33] <__m4ch1n3__> apt-cache search xkill
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• 1064[11:08:36] <forester> Thank you for help. Now I know different distros different policies.
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• 1067[11:09:54] <__m4ch1n3__> Sveta, oh you want source, then "apt-get source x11-utils" xkill is part of x11-utils
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• 1077[11:17:49] <Sveta> __m4ch1n3__: ok, thanks
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• 1083[11:22:50] <Sveta> is there a package which is like a file manager but for source code files it also has a pane to view the source code
• 1084[11:22:56] <Sveta> highlighted
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• 1088[11:26:12] <Sveta> In my program I wish to write 'apt-get source foobar' and show a progress bar visually. How do I do this? Do we have an example, please?
• 1089[11:26:56] <jelly> ta progress bar for what?
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• 1091[11:27:30] <Sveta> For the download.
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• 1100[11:35:09] <__m4ch1n3__> not sure which package you mean, most texeditors support syntaxhighlight in linux. mousepad e.g
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• 1111[11:41:35] <__m4ch1n3__> dialog --gauge ?
• 1112[11:42:04] <__m4ch1n3__> (for i in {1..100} ; do sleep 0.05 ; echo $i ; done) | dialog --gauge "progress" 10 100
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• 1123[11:53:13] <uio> Hello, I have two accounts on the same machine, with one I am able to connect to wifi, while I can't with the other... It the past both accounts could connect, so this problem is new. I tried restarting, but to no avail. How can I fix this?
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• 1126[11:53:56] <zleap> have you updated between when it wasworkig and now?
• 1127[11:54:15] <uio> zleap, No, I didn't changed anything...
• 1128[11:54:20] <zleap> ok
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• 1131[11:54:50] <uio> zleap, Is there a way to compare the connection details of both accounts?
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• 1133[11:55:12] <uio> zleap, I assumed they were the same, but I guess they can't quite be...
• 1134[11:55:42] <zleap> not sure, as the networkconfig settings are global if i understand things correctl
• 1135[11:55:46] <zleap> correctly
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• 1137[11:56:43] <uio> zleap, Ah, I see.
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• 1139[11:56:59] <zleap> etc /etc/network/interfaces
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• 1141[11:57:30] <zleap> i am not sure about local wifi settings for example surely that would be on a user basis
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• 1143[11:57:52] <zleap> so user1 and user2 would need to login to the wifi network
• 1144[11:58:06] <uio> Which they were able to do before...
• 1145[11:58:33] <uio> zleap, Now user2 says it connects, but internet won't work.
• 1146[11:58:41] <zleap> which user can't connect
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• 1148[11:58:43] <zleap> ?
• 1149[11:58:55] <uio> user1 = yes
• 1150[11:58:59] <uio> user2 = issues
• 1151[11:59:13] <uio> User1 connects and all is well
• 1152[11:59:28] <uio> user2 says it connects, but no webpages will open.
• 1153[11:59:52] <zleap> are you going through any proxy servers
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• 1157[12:00:37] <uio> zleap, No, just regular WiFi.
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• 1159[12:01:28] <zleap> i can't see anything in my home folder that would store wifi settings other than .wicd which seems to be empty
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• 1161[12:02:17] <__m4ch1n3__> doesnt networkmanager save stuff in /etc/ ?
• 1162[12:02:39] <BCMM> uio: how are you connecting with wifi? are you using networkmanager? wicd? something else?
• 1163[12:02:58] <uio> BCMM, networkmanager.
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• 1165[12:03:15] <zleap> where does network manager store stuff
• 1166[12:03:16] <__m4ch1n3__> networkmanager uses to connect to network before login
• 1167[12:03:28] <BCMM> then /etc/network/interfaces and ~/.wicd don't come in to this at all
• 1168[12:03:30] <zleap> surely there are local settings for each user, in say your home folder
• 1169[12:03:37] <uio> What is odd now is that if I open up a cli user2 session, I can access the internet...
• 1170[12:03:47] <uio> Oh, wait...
• 1171[12:04:07] <BCMM> uio: anything in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ ?
• 1172[12:04:10] <uio> Oh, I feel stupid... I think I had firefox proxy turned on....
• 1173[12:04:15] <uio> Just a minute.
• 1174[12:04:22] <uio> I'm going to test this and Ill be back.
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• 1177[12:04:27] <zleap> ok
• 1178[12:04:32] <__m4ch1n3__> lol
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• 1180[12:05:32] <__m4ch1n3__> you could "ping -W 1 -c 1 8.8.8.8" from commandline to verifi if you have access to inet
• 1181[12:06:02] <zleap> i usually try adn ping my router too
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• 1184[12:06:52] <zleap> *and
• 1185[12:06:57] <__m4ch1n3__> or "curl -s replaced-url
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• 1187[12:07:11] <uio> Yep, it was just a setting in firefox that I had forgotten to turn off.
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• 1189[12:07:18] <zleap> ah
• 1190[12:07:21] <uio> Well, sorry for the bother!
• 1191[12:07:24] <zleap> glad we could help
• 1192[12:07:27] <uio> And thanks for your help!
• 1193[12:07:29] <zleap> uio: no problem,
• 1194[12:07:36] <uio> zleap: :)
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• 1196[12:07:44] <uio> Okay, back to work!
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• 1198[12:07:59] <zleap> sometimes asking can focus you mindoff the issue fully and yoou see things differently, like taking a break from something
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• 1213[12:13:22] <Sia-> Hi, i have 1TB adn 2TB on debian machine, is it possible to do RAID active on them?
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• 1246[12:33:59] <pefi> Any hints why "dpkg-query -W make" doesn't produce error even if no package make is installed? More here: replaced-url
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• 1259[12:39:12] <wr> does a software like teamviewer auto update on debian via packages and repos?
• 1260[12:39:23] <wr> on apt-get
• 1261[12:40:09] <olivetree_> yes, if you use a ppa
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• 1263[12:40:42] <wr> olivetree_, this one is .deb package
• 1264[12:41:05] <wr> also?
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• 1266[12:41:18] <olivetree_> If you install the package, probably not, but if you install the repo, when it comes a new version it updates
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• 1278[12:48:12] <pefi> Same question, different version. Why the dpkg-query behaviour is not consistent? replaced-url
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• 1284[12:53:36] <__m4ch1n3__> ubuntu@ubuntu :) maybe ask on ubuntu channel
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• 1316[13:16:24] <wwilliam> this may not be a debian question, how to make vsftpd to logging file names upload it to it?
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• 1326[13:19:41] <jelly> wwilliam: does it not do that by default? Where does it store its xferlog?
• 1327[13:20:25] <monra> Hi friends, I have this little issue, I installed debian successfully on a virtualbox windows 10 host, now I just need you to tell me how to enable fullscreen with that guest additions thing but every guide on the web relies on some retarded DE, Do I really have to install 4GB of gnome to have basic video format or is there someone who knows how to do that without a de
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• 1335[13:23:01] <furrymcgee> qemu-system-x86_64 -nographic -append console=ttyS0
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• 1338[13:23:49] <wwilliam> jelly: is storing the log in /var/log/vsftpd.log but is not logging the name of the files upload it.
• 1339[13:23:59] <tomreyn> ttyS0 is rarely seen on windows 10, i think
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• 1342[13:24:24] <wwilliam> jelly: this is the currnt configuration: replaced-url
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• 1348[13:27:57] <furrymcgee> monra: I recommend you install Debian GNU/Linux with KVM
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• 1361[13:35:28] <blackflow> furrymcgee: they said windows 10 host. no qemu-kvm there.
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• 1365[13:37:38] <blackflow> monra: guest OS additions needed for virtualbox are not dependent on a DE, it's just about adding a local kernel module for video. it's been a while since I used it so I can't recall if you need to modify xorg.conf, but I doubt it.
• 1366[13:38:09] <monra> Alright so i managed to finally run that linuxguestadditions.run and it seemed to run smooth, I then rebooted and surprise, nothing changed, i still have the 2x2 screensize after reboo
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• 1371[13:39:05] <monra> blackflow: So you re saying that it's only useful when i have something runnin xorg? If I'm not using x11 I'm doomed to have shitty resolution?
• 1372[13:39:06] <blackflow> monra: but if you resize the window (on the host side) does it not resize the desktop along with it?
• 1373[13:39:45] <monra> blackflow: Nope, probably because I have no desktop, just console which is what I want, but a couple times bigger
• 1374[13:39:54] <blackflow> monra: that I don't know. but quick googling found this: replaced-url
• 1375[13:40:09] <monra> Thanks i ll check it out
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• 1393[13:50:07] <monra> Nope, I'm yet to find a way to make fullscreen work with debian on windows 10 host (virtualbox). Should I just stop trying or is there an actual way to use fullscreen debian without de on my setup
• 1394[13:51:45] <rant> monra: you should probably ask #virtualbox because I wouldn't touch win10 and running debian on a debian host works find out of the box for me
• 1395[13:52:47] <blackflow> monra: what's "fullscreen" btw, which resolution?
• 1396[13:54:11] <blackflow> monra: also take a look at this. hit 'c' in the grub menu and type vbeinfo to see supported resolutions, and then configure grub for a wanted one: replaced-url
• 1397[13:55:28] <blackflow> with drivers like nouvau and intel, iirc console can automatically achieve native resolution but I have no idea if vboxdrv or whats the guest kernel module, can achieve the same.
• 1398[13:55:34] <blackflow> *nouveau
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• 1401[13:56:25] <rant> if you're gonna run it console only you may as well just run it headless and use ssh
• 1402[13:56:26] <blackflow> also one point of interest is virtual box guest drivers being mainlined with kernel 4.16, so it's possible it's all automagic with newer kernels, so I'd suggest try that as well.
• 1403[13:56:37] <blackflow> and definitely what rant said
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• 1405[13:57:26] <__m4ch1n3__> btw kvm + vitmgr is ways better then virtualbox
• 1406[13:57:32] <__m4ch1n3__> *virtmgr
• 1407[13:57:46] <rant> WINDOWS TEN
• 1408[13:58:29] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
• 1409[13:58:48] <__m4ch1n3__> lol windows 10 sends lot stuff to microsoft also your browser history
• 1410[13:59:25] <__m4ch1n3__> browser history is a bitch move
• 1411[13:59:35] <rant> I'm not surprised, nor do I care. Its offtopic
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• 1417[14:05:32] <ksk> uh, virtualbox additions going mainline? thats nice to hear :)
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• 1447[14:25:19] <brenlae> just curious when Debian 10 will be stable?
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• 1449[14:25:57] <brenlae> using 9.7 now
• 1450[14:26:14] <ksk> when its done, brenlae.
• 1451[14:26:21] <brenlae> ksk: fair enough :)
• 1452[14:26:29] <brenlae> thanks!
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• 1454[14:26:57] <ksk> as far as I know looking at the "release critical bugs" of testing is said to be an indicator of "how stable" the whole thing is, so you might take a look at that
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• 1460[14:30:04] <ksk> replaced-url
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• 1466[14:33:18] <monra> blackflow: So I checked the link and i managed to get resolution higher in grub, but for some reason I'm not allowed to go up to 1920x1080, maybe I'm too stupid to get a screen to work I'm back to arch tbh
• 1467[14:33:48] <blackflow> monra: did you check with a newer kernel?
• 1468[14:34:39] <monra> blackflow: I'm using the latest stable debian, should I go with the testing_
• 1469[14:34:47] <blackflow> monra: 4.19 is in stretch-backports
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• 1471[14:35:01] <shqip> hi there can someone tell me how can I make a costum service autorun on specific USER if server has been rebooted !
• 1472[14:35:45] <blackflow> monra: no just enable stretch-backports repo and then just apt install -t stretch-backports linux-image-amd64 ... but before that, remove any guest additions and kernel drivers. iirc that .run has an uninstall action as well
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• 1495[14:45:14] <nemo> I was hoping that mate-power-manager 1.21 might fix some of their documented upower issues in their project tracker that Redhat and Arch had patched... I was surprised to not see it in any debian version. Thought at least I could force-install from unstable into stable just as an experiment since it is a relatively self-contained thing
• 1496[14:45:19] <nemo> Am I wrong or...
• 1497[14:45:29] <nemo> They released it a year ago I think
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• 1526[15:01:49] <msiism> about the alternatives system: why is there no "x-editor" group? i mean, you have "replaced-url
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• 1570[15:32:44] <joepublic> msiism, there is often $EDITOR, which I know isn't the same thing, but is close, as you can [ if -f "$EDITOR" ] && $EDITOR somefile
• 1571[15:33:17] <joepublic> s/[\ if/if\ [/
• 1572[15:33:18] <karlpinc> msiism: You could file a wishlist bug.
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• 1600[15:47:24] <lvrp16> debian stable's grub-arm-efi package is broken. grub-arm64-efi works just fine.
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• 1605[15:49:31] <rant> o.O
• 1606[15:50:48] <rant> lvrp16: debian stable has neither package, and even if it did, this is not the BTS
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• 1609[15:52:45] <lvrp16> sorry replaced-url
• 1610[15:53:16] <jelly> lvrp16: which architecture is that, armhf? arm64?
• 1611[15:53:26] <lvrp16> rant: armhf, arm64 works just fine
• 1612[15:53:42] <jelly> lvrp16: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say?
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• 1614[15:54:08] <lvrp16> rant: same problem occurs in ubuntu 16.04, it's fixed in 18.04 because newer version of grub. i think one of the patches made it into arm64 but not armhf
• 1615[15:54:10] <rant> lvrp16: thats two different architectures obviously one would work and the other wouldnt
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• 1618[15:54:29] <lvrp16> patches supporting uefi
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• 1626[15:59:19] <hesco> what package will provide java for my browser, please?
• 1627[15:59:49] <lvrp16> i'm working on images for libre.computer and hit this issue with armhf boards. grub is missing the device tree pull from efi systab passed u-boot. even if you feed it the device tree manually via devicetree mod, the kernel just hangs when trying to boot.
• 1628[16:00:29] <lvrp16> s/passed/passed by/
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• 1630[16:00:55] <__m4ch1n3__> hesco, if you talk about javascript its part of most browsers engines
• 1631[16:01:11] <__m4ch1n3__> its already there in firefox, chrome ....
• 1632[16:01:17] <mattcrews> Java itself is going to be deprecated within web browsers soon
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• 1634[16:01:28] <darxmurf> do you think a dist upgrade on a Debian 5 system to move to the version 9 will work ?
• 1635[16:01:44] <mattcrews> *no*
• 1636[16:01:48] <darxmurf> I found an old machine still running
• 1637[16:02:06] <darxmurf> I will shutdown this machine anyway, I can try :-)
• 1638[16:02:08] <mattcrews> you will want to incrementally upgrade through the debians: 5 -> 6 -> 7 -> 8 -> 9
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• 1640[16:02:15] <darxmurf> okay
• 1641[16:02:38] <greycat> You may wish to think about whether it would be simpler to do a fresh install of Debian 9 and recreate the old configs.
• 1642[16:02:54] <darxmurf> then a direct shutdown is the best solution
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• 1644[16:03:20] <mattcrews> what greycat said. Unless you have a reason to upgrade, a fresh install might be better
• 1645[16:03:20] <joepublic> should you embark on the upgrade adventure, please read the release notes of each version before upgrading to it
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• 1650[16:04:31] <rant> Lenny was removed from the repos idk if the release notes for wheezy were updated to reflect that
• 1651[16:04:48] <greycat> you mean squeeze...
• 1652[16:05:06] <rant> erm .. yeah
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• 1654[16:05:22] <mattcrews> @hesco, firefox 52 32-bit is the last version to support Java. 64-bit firefox never supported jav
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• 1656[16:05:31] <hesco> __m4ch1n3__: I seek java, not js. Deprecated or not, it is required by an online app I am trying to use.
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• 1658[16:05:56] <tarzeau> distro-info -af is a handy command
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• 1660[16:06:08] <mattcrews> here's a news article on the subject: replaced-url
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• 1662[16:07:05] <hesco> would chrome provide access to java?
• 1663[16:07:14] <hesco> some other browser?
• 1664[16:07:24] <mattcrews> chrome doesn't allow java either
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• 1667[16:07:55] <mattcrews> if you really, really need java, i would recommend either using an older version of firefox (52 is still in the Stretch repos), or use a Windows VM and run Internet Explorer or Edge
• 1668[16:08:05] <mattcrews> or maybe run Jessie in a VM
• 1669[16:08:11] <hesco> The 'Auto-detect Your GPU' tool at: replaced-url
• 1670[16:08:37] <__m4ch1n3__> hesco, maybe that could be insterestin replaced-url
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• 1672[16:09:30] <mattcrews> hesco, use the package nvidia-detect
• 1673[16:09:48] <mattcrews> replaced-url
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• 1677[16:09:55] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
• 1678[16:10:14] <__m4ch1n3__> also java webkit could be a solution
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• 1680[16:10:29] <mattcrews> its not recommended you use the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com in debian, fyi
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• 1682[16:10:45] <blackflow> hesco: browsers no longer support java applets. you can download the applet and run it from command line with javac
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• 1687[16:11:26] <greycat> The fact that your disapproved third party tool requires BROWSER JAVA should be one more giant red flag telling you not to do this.
• 1688[16:11:45] <greycat> blackflow: javac is the compiler
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• 1693[16:12:27] <blackflow> greycat: right, just `java`
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• 1697[16:13:18] <joepublic> An example of something that used to be a java tool but came to its senses can be found at the speedtest section of dslreports.com
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• 1700[16:14:23] <blackflow> IPMI is still a problem. but... the IPMI-pocalypse never arrived, I download the thing and run it from command line
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• 1703[16:15:18] <blackflow> that and web based KVM (Keyboard Video Mouse) interfaces some hosting companies are using.
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• 1706[16:15:42] <mattcrews> well if you need java outside of the web browser, that is still supported
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• 1710[16:17:58] <msiism> joepublic: EDITOR is for `ed' :P. more seriously, i'd say that GUI editors have no place in either EDITOR or VISUAL. (just had a discussion about that in ##linux yesterday). i'm writing a little helper program to probe for the user's preffereed text editor. it will look at environment variables in "cli" mode and for XDG settings in "gui" mode. but with alternatives, there is no distinction, which needs extra care.
• 1711[16:18:11] <msiism> karlpinc: that's a good idea, actually.
• 1712[16:18:43] <greycat> A user who chooses to put a GUI editor in $EDITOR or $VISUAL is taking their chances. It may work in some situations, and fail in others.
• 1713[16:19:25] <greycat> As a Linux/Unix user, one of the FIRST and most IMPORTANT things you must do is learn at least one terminal-based editor.
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• 1715[16:19:27] <rocketmagnet> hi all
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• 1717[16:19:55] <rocketmagnet> i've trouble with my debian install, i've done apt-get remove mysql-* and now my system isn't starting anymore
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• 1719[16:20:33] <rocketmagnet> is there a way i can undo apt-get changes ?
• 1720[16:20:46] <__m4ch1n3__> boot into recovery mode
• 1721[16:20:55] <rocketmagnet> i'm in recovery mode
• 1722[16:21:04] <__m4ch1n3__> there should be an recovery entry in grub
• 1723[16:21:14] <msiism> greycat: well, it depends a little on how you're going to use linux, i'd say. but i'd certainly agree, generally.
• 1724[16:21:25] <rocketmagnet> but i'm not able to apt-get install mysql-*
• 1725[16:21:39] <greycat> !doesn't work
• 1726[16:21:39] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
• 1727[16:22:17] <__m4ch1n3__> then open root shel, check syslog to figure out wh<y machine doesnt boot up what is missing and install it again
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• 1732[16:23:22] <__m4ch1n3__> you could run "dmesg" to view log
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• 1734[16:23:46] <greycat> "journalctl" may be a better starting point, but dmesg isn't bad
• 1735[16:24:02] <greycat> the errors are more like to be in userspace than in kernel space
• 1736[16:24:07] <greycat> likely
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• 1746[16:29:33] <rocketmagnet> hi again
• 1747[16:29:49] <rocketmagnet> what's the command to pastebin output to debian pastebin ?
• 1748[16:30:02] <petn-randall> !pastebinit
• 1749[16:30:02] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
• 1750[16:30:04] <petn-randall> rocketmagnet: ^^^
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• 1753[16:30:25] <rant> rocketmagnet: you may already have nc installed and can pipe to nc termbin.com 9999
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• 1762[16:32:56] <rocketmagnet> i've deinstalled maria-db-server-10.1 and now my system is broken, i can't even reinstall it because of dependency troubles
• 1763[16:33:11] <BCMM> rocketmagnet: are you on sid?
• 1764[16:33:17] <rocketmagnet> no etch
• 1765[16:33:23] <greycat> ... no.
• 1766[16:33:26] <greycat> no, you are not.
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• 1768[16:33:55] <monra> So..... yeah I just spent 5 hours trying to figure out how to fix debian's stupid resolution on virtualbox (w10 host), unsuccessfully and everywhere i find support the same 2 things I already did like 10 times popped out, am I retaded?
• 1769[16:34:41] <Haohmaru> what did you try?
• 1770[16:34:41] <monra> Soooo, what's a non bullshit virtualisation software I can use here on w10 to achieve a debian virtual machine_
• 1771[16:34:42] <rant> monra: it would be much simpler if you are going to run console only to launch virtualbox headless and use ssh to connect to the machine via putty
• 1772[16:34:50] <rocketmagnet> debian 4.9.10
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• 1774[16:34:53] <joepublic> vb guest additions make the resolution magically work in my experience
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• 1776[16:35:19] <greycat> rocketmagnet: that's a kernel version, not a Debian version. We hope.
• 1777[16:35:28] <rocketmagnet> how to get the version
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• 1779[16:35:32] <fanta7531> vmware is no bullshit, but vbox should work fine as well
• 1780[16:35:34] <greycat> You are most likely running a 4.9.x kernel on Debian 9, "stretch".
• 1781[16:35:41] <rocketmagnet> yes
• 1782[16:35:43] <monra> rant: Yeah but I really need it as an alternative workstation rather than a headless server, problem is that I'm stuck on w10 but my job is to bash script ^^'
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• 1784[16:36:05] <rocketmagnet> how can a uninstall of mysql can destroy my hole system
• 1785[16:36:13] <BCMM> monra: bash scripting sounds like an ideal application for a headless system, though...
• 1786[16:36:18] <joepublic> this may give you the version: cat /etc/os-release |grep PRETTY
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• 1788[16:36:49] <greycat> rocketmagnet: this is what you have to figure out. What is the actual PROBLEM? You usually learn this by reading what the computer SAYS when the problem occurs. We call these things "error messages".
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• 1790[16:37:00] <monra> Haohmaru: I tried: that xdg thing in the /etc/default/grub config, it changes the resolution but only until I login, also the resolutions available are fucked up (I think this is because I'm using a laptop linked to an external screen
• 1791[16:37:07] <rocketmagnet> yes i'm on strech
• 1792[16:37:08] <joepublic> not saying this is a good idea, but I heard windows has a "pretend it's gnu without linux and call it linus" feature
• 1793[16:37:45] <Haohmaru> monra the resolution in the desktop is usually dealt with by xrandr
• 1794[16:37:48] <__m4ch1n3__> wlindows
• 1795[16:37:52] <joepublic> if you are committed to running windows 10 anyway, that would run your bash at full machine speed
• 1796[16:37:53] <rocketmagnet> when he should start the lightdm interface to login i get strange output (graphic signs)
• 1797[16:38:00] <monra> BCMM: Bro I'm used to work on ganoolinux, sprayin commands through ssh won't look like a new workspace
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• 1799[16:38:20] <BCMM> make putty fullscreen then :)
• 1800[16:38:34] <monra> BCMM: ahahahah
• 1801[16:39:04] <BCMM> when it's not updating, windows works OK as a dumb terminal
• 1802[16:39:32] <Haohmaru> "updating" ;P~
• 1803[16:39:38] <BCMM> obviously, all of history has taken a wrong turn somewhere when you end up virtualising your actual computer on your dumb terminal, but that's not your fault
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• 1806[16:41:39] <monra> BCMM: I'm saddened tho... I'm running on a 1.5k$ hp probook company provided, shit has windows on it and my work is to bashscript ahahah, tomorrow I won't forget to grab the thinkpad with me
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• 1808[16:42:24] <joepublic> I used my 1984 original macintosh for word processing and as a vt52 terminal emulator. the more things change.
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• 1812[16:43:17] <BCMM> joepublic: what is the terminal connected to, and, physically, how?
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• 1815[16:43:54] <joepublic> well, 35 years ago, it was connected to a 1200 bps modem by the serial port.
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• 1817[16:44:08] <joepublic> today it's connected to other trash in a landfill somewhere I'd guess
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• 1819[16:44:26] <furrymcgee> monra: cygwin bash dont need no virtualizatin
• 1820[16:44:30] <BCMM> oh, i misread and thought you were still using it :(
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• 1823[16:44:56] <joepublic> heh I am sure that were it still in operation, debian would support it just fine over a serial port
• 1824[16:45:01] <monra> furrymcgee: Yeah but I can't install stuff other than vb :(
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• 1830[16:46:53] <furrymcgee> monra: replaced-url
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• 1836[16:48:54] <__m4ch1n3__> cygwin has also a nice terminal emulator with colors and nice fonts
• 1837[16:49:07] <__m4ch1n3__> not like cmd.exe
• 1838[16:49:12] <__m4ch1n3__> its called mint
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• 1840[16:49:56] <__m4ch1n3__> mintty
• 1841[16:49:59] <__m4ch1n3__> sorry
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• 1860[16:56:46] <nemo> So... I was making a moderate effort to use android packages in debian instead of just throwing everything in $HOME
• 1861[16:56:50] <nemo> but I've hit license problems
• 1862[16:57:09] <nemo> I found a debian page with a repo that listed some licenses, but doesn't seem to help unfortunately.
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• 1864[16:57:55] <nemo> hmmm. haaaang on
• 1865[16:58:02] <nemo> I may be mixing packages
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• 1867[16:58:15] <nemo> too many damn package managers these days 😝
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• 1869[16:58:31] <nemo> npm installed cordova which installed gradle which had a bunch of junk...
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• 1871[16:58:38] <klh> apt is yhe only one
• 1872[16:58:39] <nemo> let's see if the sdkmanager is in ~/.gradle
• 1873[16:58:57] <nemo> klh: yeah, that's my general attitude when on distro X - unfortunately it doesn't really work for eclipse these days
• 1874[16:59:13] <nemo> klh: but I just noticed the license error was for a version that I don't think was debian packaged
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• 1876[16:59:28] <nemo> [Android SDK Platform 27, Android SDK Build-Tools 26.0.2] ← pretty sure debian installed -23
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• 1878[16:59:51] <nemo> also this license stuff. annoying as all hell. no one reads it. enforceability is dubious
• 1879[16:59:55] <nemo> yet still screws up automated installs
• 1880[16:59:59] <klh> here it is debian...
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• 1882[17:00:16] <rander2> hello
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• 1887[17:02:11] <BCMM> ugh, the android sdk license thing... it broke fdroid's build system last week too i think
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• 1890[17:02:45] <BCMM> android really is an exercise in *exactly* how closed you can make an open-source OS
• 1891[17:02:58] <nemo> hm... "android-sdk-helper" no idea what that package does but it is not in stable.
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• 1893[17:03:08] <nemo> all I really want is sdkmanager so I can say "accept" without reading
• 1894[17:03:24] <nemo> but it doesn't seem to be in the debian packages
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• 1896[17:04:17] <BCMM> yeah, i've given up and just done it without apt. you can at least keep all the mess in a single directory if you do it right...
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• 1899[17:05:31] <nemo> BCMM: guess I'll have to do that ☹
• 1900[17:05:38] <rander2> how may I set 2 differents network interface, to choose the routing of packets ?
• 1901[17:05:40] <BCMM> nemo: oh, isn't there some file you can create somewhere that says you've accepted the license?
• 1902[17:05:46] <nemo> looks like gradle grabbed some new SDKs, and does NOT have any obvious way to accept the license
• 1903[17:05:59] <nemo> BCMM: so. on debian wiki there's instructions for that, and they may well be sufficient
• 1904[17:06:15] <nemo> BCMM: problem is I'm experimenting with cordova/phonegap for simpler maintenance of some small trivial "apps"
• 1905[17:06:38] <nemo> BCMM: and, cordova run android runs gradle, which I bet grabbed this stupid 27 latest...
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• 1907[17:07:03] <nemo> BCMM: and the debian packages do not have sdkmanager which is the accepted way to accept licenses. nor "android" which was the old way
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• 1909[17:07:20] <nemo> BCMM: so clearly it is all a mess and I should just uninstall all debian android packages at this point and install locally ☹
• 1910[17:07:27] <rander2> replaced-url
• 1911[17:07:38] <nemo> BCMM: but yeah. god I hate this closed source crap
• 1912[17:08:17] <rander2> I want set the outgoing packets with the usb0 interface, and keep eth0 for lan
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• 1914[17:09:37] <rander2> all 2 are set UG , as default gateway, how may I set only usb0 as default gateway for routing on public IP address
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• 1923[17:11:17] <BCMM> nemo: heh, i went through exactly the same process. still not sure *why* `cordova requirements` needs to have android or sdkmanager in the path, but whatever
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• 1927[17:13:40] <nemo> BCMM: well. silly to have it installed globally and locally... so gonna remove debian's to avoid confusing myself
• 1928[17:13:51] <nemo> BCMM: did you find any reason to keep the global packages?
• 1929[17:13:58] <BCMM> not yet
• 1930[17:14:05] <BCMM> but i do wonder if the build might work even without sdkmanager
• 1931[17:14:14] <nemo> bet it would ☹
• 1932[17:14:39] <nemo> hm. now what's the cleanest way to back out all these packages...
• 1933[17:15:06] <nemo> searching in synaptic for android might be enough.
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• 1964[17:36:27] <rander2> ok, maybe I put a stupid question
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• 1971[17:40:45] <mvanorder> rander2: is all the traffic on eth0 going to be 192.168.1.0/24? if so you don't need the gateway on that interface.
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• 1982[17:48:58] <rander2> mvanorder, yes, but how may I put off gw flag from this route rule ?
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• 1986[17:50:35] <rander2> route del ...
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• 1996[17:59:48] <mvanorder> Is that DHCP or static? if it's static, you can remove it from the configuration otherwise you can use: sudo route del -net 0.0.0.0 gw 192.168.1.1 dev eth0
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• 2004[18:01:05] <karlpinc> nemo: aptitude removes dependent packages. But I don't think it helps with "recommends" packages.
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• 2006[18:01:53] <nemo> karlpinc: oh well. I might have some junk lying around the system. synaptic did prompt to remove a few additional things after I selected everything that had android in the description and was installed
• 2007[18:02:03] <nemo> but eyeballing it it did seem to have the main things
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• 2017[18:08:08] <rander2> mvanorder, thanks , I didn't know the exact syntax , problem solved
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• 2042[18:19:50] <pengol> Hi all I have a local repository on my machine and some vm running on the same machine. I use the local repo to donwload personal packeges. I sign packages and repo files with my key wich I added with apt-key to the vms. The reporisitory was working til today when I got this error "E: GPG error: replaced-url
• 2043[18:19:56] <pengol> authentication?)" and apt refuses to downloawd the packages. All hosts are running buster.
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• 2046[18:21:49] <karlpinc> !debian-next
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• 2048[18:21:49] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2051[18:23:11] <uio> When I start up the machine, I almost always have to issue su dhclient to be able to use wifi. Is there a way to add this to start up scripts or something? I've tried solving the problem with #Debian help before, but to no avail... I'd be happy with a workaround...
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• 2054[18:24:25] <shtrb> do you use a network manager of some kind ?
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• 2057[18:24:50] <pengol> thanks karlpinc
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• 2059[18:25:00] <uio> shtrb, networkmanager.
• 2060[18:25:25] <shtrb> in network manager you can setup automatically connect to this network.
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• 2062[18:26:02] <black_mamba> anyone know what's going to happen to the OS python at the end of the year? will it be updated to 3 also?
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• 2065[18:26:19] <uio> shtrb, It 'connects' automatically, ie the little icon show that it is connected, but the connection won't work...
• 2066[18:27:24] <shtrb> expand it , make sure it has "disconnect" button (when is says connect that means it is not connected and you need to click here to connect)
• 2067[18:27:32] <shtrb> the ui is confusing sometimes
• 2068[18:27:35] <black_mamba> I found debian docs about it: replaced-url
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• 2074[18:28:57] <__m4ch1n3__> uio what do you see if you run "curl -s replaced-url
• 2075[18:29:36] <__m4ch1n3__> does it retunr success ?
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• 2230[19:59:28] <Sveta> In my program I wish to write 'apt-get source foobar' and show a progress bar of the download visually. How do I do this? Do we have an example, please?
• 2231[20:00:10] <greycat> Just do "apt" instead of "apt-get".
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• 2311[20:34:09] <weedloser> Sveta: ^ and read this: replaced-url
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• 2314[20:35:17] <weedloser> tl;dr, the individual apt-* tools are still powerful for more backend stuff, for now, apt is more human readable and includes many features from the different apt-* tools.
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• 2346[20:56:18] <Sveta> weedloser, greycat: i'd like to see it visually from an external program without looking at a terminal window (programmatically)
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• 2348[20:56:33] <Sveta> weedloser, greycat: i'd like to see it visually from an external program without looking at a terminal window (programmatically)
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• 2364[21:04:22] <__m4ch1n3__> In my program I wish to think "apt-get install foo" and machine reads my thought and installs foo
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• 2452[22:01:29] <CpAj0> hello from a new Debian user
• 2453[22:03:56] <diogenes_> CpAj0, Abandon hope all ye who enter here :)
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• 2473[22:18:43] <de-facto> Are there any good guides how to harden a standard Debian 9 Stretch openssh-server?
• 2474[22:18:58] <de-facto> Something like replaced-url
• 2475[22:19:25] <greycat> Keep up to date on security patches. Consider disabling password authentication and using keys only.
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• 2478[22:20:04] <friendofafriend> Might consider using fail2ban, monitors ssh right out of the box.
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• 2482[22:20:25] <de-facto> no other modifications than updating and disabling password to only use public keys?
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• 2486[22:21:38] <friendofafriend> There's some illusion of security stuff in sshd_config, like not forwarding ports remotely, but that's not going to make a difference to someone logged into your machine.
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• 2489[22:22:31] <de-facto> yeah i mean for pentesters withoud valid creds
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• 2491[22:23:20] <msiism> i remember there being an official "securing debian manual".
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• 2495[22:25:21] <friendofafriend> de-facto: Key only will keep them out, better with key and password.
• 2496[22:25:40] <de-facto> so key only and fail2ban
• 2497[22:25:57] <greycat> fail2ban is not actual security
• 2498[22:26:04] <friendofafriend> Sure, and if you really want to frustrate your pentesters, you could use knockd.
• 2499[22:26:33] <greycat> fail2ban is a reduction in log noise and bandwidth waste, like running on an alternative port
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• 2504[22:27:28] <friendofafriend> I don't know about that, greycat. You wouldn't say slowing brute force increases security?
• 2505[22:27:47] <greycat> If the brute force attack has 0 chance of success, no.
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• 2510[22:31:41] <friendofafriend> Oh, right, doesn't increase security if you're using keys anyway. Gotcha.
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• 2515[22:33:17] <de-facto> The guy here replaced-url
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• 2517[22:33:34] <de-facto> with some restrictions replaced-url
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• 2520[22:34:14] <de-facto> Any thoughts on that? Is it overkill or does it make sense to harden beyond "just keys but standard debain config"?
• 2521[22:34:32] <greycat> It's also at least a 4 year old guide, and the default ciphers and key exchange algorithms have changed in that time. New ones have been created. And it's on shithub.
• 2522[22:34:45] <greycat> I am not even going to read it.
• 2523[22:35:37] <de-facto> yes thats the reason why i am asking, it may be outdated and maybe there are better suggestions around nowerdays
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• 2533[22:41:54] <Lady_Aleena> How do I figure out what doomathing is controlling my sound at the moment (or not controlling it at the moment)?
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• 2537[22:44:19] <Lady_Aleena> It has been a long, long, long time since I worked on my linux computer, and I have forgotten a lot.
• 2538[22:44:45] <greycat> if it's a recent Debian, it'll be either Pulse Audio, or ALSA
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• 2542[22:45:16] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I don't see my sound card listed on alsamixer.
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• 2550[22:50:18] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: are you running GNOME?
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• 2554[22:52:50] <Lady_Aleena> KDE
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• 2557[22:54:14] <Lady_Aleena> I will be bouncing between this and fixing something else, so there may be long lapses between my responses.
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• 2559[22:54:31] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: I think KDE has an additional layer on top of pulseaudio called phonon which you should be able to configure in the KDE settings, but you could also give pavucontrol a try
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• 2587[23:10:38] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I'll look in a few moments.
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• 2589[23:11:04] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: does it show up in lspci ?
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• 2597[23:13:55] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
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• 2601[23:15:59] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: we had a similar situation here awhile back, save some trouble shooting and un-plug the card, let the voltage leakdown and plug it back in. Its a quick fix sometimes.
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• 2603[23:16:33] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: the card is there just not to the software.
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• 2610[23:21:56] <violentE> I have a relatively new debian installation (Debian 4.19.16-1) that was working great until I ran an update/dist-upgrade and wasn't paying attention to see if that left any errors and rebooted. Now it boots to a blinking cursor on a black screen. I've had this problem before where I'd mount it and try to reinstall missing packages, but if left me in some sort of loop. I've also tried booting with other kernel versions with the same result of a
• 2611[23:21:57] <violentE> black screen with a blinking cursor.
• 2612[23:22:41] <Lady_Aleena> I will come back to this in a moment, I am about to cry about another non-computer issue.
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• 2616[23:24:58] <BCMM> violentE: what debian version are you running?
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• 2619[23:26:11] <violentE> BCMM: 9.6.0
• 2620[23:26:12] <weedloser> lmao
• 2621[23:26:42] <BCMM> violentE: how did you get that kernel?
• 2622[23:27:03] <violentE> uname -a
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• 2624[23:27:56] <BCMM> violentE: i mean, how did it end up installed?
• 2625[23:28:31] <BCMM> oh, i misread. that's a stretch-backports kernel, right?
• 2626[23:28:50] <violentE> yeah if I remember correctly
• 2627[23:29:14] <BCMM> try booting without "quiet"; see if it tells you what it's stuck on
• 2628[23:29:24] <BCMM> you do see grub, right? it's not failing before the bootloader?
• 2629[23:29:41] <violentE> I can see grub, one moment
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• 2632[23:30:05] <jmcnaught> ,kernels
• 2633[23:30:06] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-2-686-pae (4.19.16-1); buster: 4.19.0-2-686-pae (4.19.16-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.19.12-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-
• 2634[23:30:07] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
• 2635[23:31:00] <jmcnaught> violentE: that kernel version doesn't look like it's from stretch-backports. Did you install newer kernels from buster/testing or unstable?
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• 2638[23:31:51] <weedloser> oh no
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• 2641[23:33:13] <LtL> violentE: pastebin your sources.list
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• 2643[23:33:42] <LtL> if you can
• 2644[23:34:06] <violentE> unfortunately I don't have the iso file that I originally used for download
• 2645[23:34:08] <BCMM> mixture of sid and stretch sources, you think?
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• 2648[23:34:26] <violentE> but I do know it was nonfree because there was a driver issue
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• 2651[23:35:00] <violentE> wait judd, but you did post the one I'm using 4.19.0-2-686-pae (4.19.16-1)
• 2652[23:35:32] <violentE> LtL: I unfortunately can't do that
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• 2654[23:35:48] <violentE> but if I need to mount it to get that I will
• 2655[23:36:01] <violentE> still getting the results of running with out quiet
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• 2657[23:37:10] <violentE> ok so I couldn't read it as fast as it was going but there wasn't any red text as it booted
• 2658[23:37:18] <LtL> violentE: can you boot a older kernel?
• 2659[23:37:20] <violentE> now I get the blinking cursor plus:
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• 2661[23:37:58] <violentE> enp2s0 Link is up
• 2662[23:38:02] <violentE> enp2s0 is ready
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• 2664[23:38:09] <violentE> thats paraphrased ofc
• 2665[23:38:26] <violentE> LtL: I can but it appears to do the same
• 2666[23:38:46] <violentE> should I try again with quiet on the other kernel version
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• 2668[23:39:31] <LtL> violentE: it can't hurt but i doubt the result will be different.
• 2669[23:39:42] <BCMM> ... the only output is your ethernet coming up? i think i gotta admit i'm too tired to understand this. good luck.
• 2670[23:39:56] <weedloser> Lady_Aleena: Done crying yet? :'(
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• 2672[23:41:15] <violentE> well there is output of the boot process happening before it gets to those messages, but its happening so fast I can't even attempt to read a single line
• 2673[23:41:36] <violentE> all I can say is that there wasn't any red-marked-errors
• 2674[23:41:41] <Lady_Aleena> weedloser, I'm trying to get myself together.
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• 2676[23:43:10] <weedloser> Lady_Aleena: Good :D
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• 2680[23:44:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1546
• 2681[23:44:10] <weedloser> top 10 mental breakdown while trying to fix pulseaudio in a debian irc channel
• 2682[23:44:40] <weedloser> I actually have nothing to contribute, sorry.
• 2683[23:45:07] <Lady_Aleena> weedloser, the issue I'm upset about is not Debian or computer related. It is tax related.
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• 2686[23:46:44] <weedloser> Well, I hope that gets resolved too.
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• 2688[23:47:15] <__m4ch1n3__> never kissed a girl, how can i solve that issue?
• 2689[23:47:44] <BCMM> __m4ch1n3__: install gentoo
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• 2691[23:47:51] <weedloser> HOLD ON
• 2692[23:47:51] <BCMM> that reminds me that i have absolutely no idea if i did the right thing with my taxes and i'm kind of waiting to see if hmrc complains
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• 2695[23:48:53] <__m4ch1n3__> mok bang is actually nearest i ever got to a dinnier with a woman
• 2696[23:48:54] <Lady_Aleena> __m4ch1n3__, get off of your computer and socialize. While socializing, you might find a woman who will let you kiss her.
• 2697[23:49:26] <LtL> violentE: what graphics driver/card are you using?
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• 2699[23:49:31] <weedloser> top advice going on here
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• 2701[23:49:59] <__m4ch1n3__> think ods to win in lotter<y are better
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• 2703[23:50:21] <weedloser> i think machine just needs to accept his faith
• 2704[23:50:27] <weedloser> virgins stay virgins
• 2705[23:50:47] <weedloser> kiss your waifu
• 2706[23:50:51] <weedloser> on your monitor?
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• 2708[23:51:04] <__m4ch1n3__> if my chances would increase if i would turn gay?
• 2709[23:51:11] <jmcnaught> !ot
• 2710[23:51:11] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 2711[23:51:28] <weedloser> true
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• 2713[23:51:57] <weedloser> thanks dpkg for once again enlightening me.
• 2714[23:53:05] <violentE> Ltl: AMD
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• 2716[23:54:47] <LtL> violentE: thats a buster/sid kernel, i think your sources.list is messed up.
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• 2718[23:54:59] <violentE> Also I'm in recovery mode rn and don't have network connection, is there anything I can do, or should I stop fucking around and mount it
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• 2721[23:56:24] <Lady_Aleena> I.m going to reboot to see if that fixes the problem.
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• 2723[23:56:42] <weedloser> If you did, you truly frankensteined it
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• 2725[23:57:41] <LtL> violentE: you might try appending radeon.modeset=0 on the grub linux boot line
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