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203 [10:08:04] <JustASlacker> mornings
204 [10:08:16] <JustASlacker> here is a interesting problem
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206 [10:08:42] <JustASlacker> I need to shutdown a VM. But I have neiher shutdown, poweroff, init or telinit
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211 [10:10:56] <diogenes_> JustASlacker, use the VMs top menu
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214 [10:11:58] <JustASlacker> all I have is ssh
215 [10:12:25] <diogenes_> what VM client is that?
216 [10:12:31] <JustASlacker> well, I can access the Xen host as well, but xm shutdown did not work either
217 [10:12:39] <JustASlacker> I guess I could call a xm destroy
218 [10:12:49] <JustASlacker> but Id rather shut it down
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226 [10:17:30] <JustASlacker> this is irritating
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228 [10:18:25] <SpeedyG> you dont have shutdown through ssh? are you root? :)
229 [10:19:12] <JustASlacker> yeah, I am root. the command is missing
230 [10:19:29] <JustASlacker> root@db01:~ # poweroff
231 [10:19:29] <JustASlacker> -bash: poweroff: command not found
232 [10:19:42] <pingfloyd> try shutdown -h now
233 [10:19:56] <JustASlacker> same thing, I tried them all
234 [10:20:01] <SpeedyG> and check your path variable.. if the sbin entries are in there
235 [10:20:07] <SpeedyG> echo $PATH
236 [10:20:29] <pingfloyd> you realize you won't be able to start it back up without going on site right? Unless you have some sort of oobm going
237 [10:20:34] <JustASlacker> find /sbin/ -name "poweroff" | wc
238 [10:20:34] <JustASlacker> 0 0 0
239 [10:20:57] <JustASlacker> pingfloyd: no, I could do xm start on the Xen host
240 [10:21:04] <pingfloyd> I see
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243 [10:21:26] <pingfloyd> did you try full path: /sbin/shutdown
244 [10:21:39] <JustASlacker> <10:20> root@db01:/sbin # find /sbin/ -name "shutdown#" | wc
245 [10:21:39] <JustASlacker> 0 0 0
246 [10:21:51] <JustASlacker> -bash: /sbin/shutdown: No such file or directory
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248 [10:22:23] <SpeedyG> JustASlacker: if I do that on my box, I get the same results
249 [10:22:29] <SpeedyG> however, /sbin/shutdown is there..
250 [10:22:37] <JustASlacker> SpeedyG: which one?
251 [10:22:42] <pingfloyd> so you have the package even installed?
252 [10:22:51] <SpeedyG> the find for shutdown
253 [10:22:52] <pingfloyd> systemd-sysv
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256 [10:23:10] <SpeedyG> try a 'which shutdown' ?
257 [10:23:15] <SpeedyG> of a ls /sbin
258 [10:23:29] <JustASlacker> ah. apt-get install systemd-sysv looks promisig
259 [10:24:04] <pingfloyd> also you -name parameter is wonky
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261 [10:24:45] <pingfloyd> of course -name "shutdown#" will return nothing
262 [10:25:01] <JustASlacker> yeah, well, obviously a type
263 [10:25:04] <JustASlacker> typo
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265 [10:25:55] <JustASlacker> anyway, the apt-get istall gave me a working poweroff
266 [10:26:06] <JustASlacker> thx, that really bugged me
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270 [10:27:30] <JustASlacker> I presume someone really, really wanted to prevent people to shutdown the main database
271 [10:27:41] <JustASlacker> and removed all the packages
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275 [10:31:14] <Wulf> Hello. Where can I find the specification for .deb packages, e.g. what the files inside must be named?
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278 [10:34:13] <neon> how do i unmount /isodevice
279 [10:34:25] <neon> $ sudo umount /isodevice
280 [10:34:26] <neon> umount: /isodevice: target is busy.
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282 [10:35:38] <b30wulf> unmount -l /isodevice
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284 [10:35:44] <b30wulf> err
285 [10:35:48] <b30wulf> umount -l /isodevice
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287 [10:36:12] <EdePopede> neon, if you're curious what it is: lsof /isodevice
288 [10:36:44] <neon> $ sudo lsof /isodevice/
289 [10:36:46] <neon> $
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298 [10:38:26] <neon> what does -l do o.o
299 [10:38:39] <b30wulf> lazy unmounting
300 [10:38:56] <neon> why doesnt it work without -l
301 [10:38:59] <steph_> hello
302 [10:39:28] <b30wulf> maybe u dont want to interrupt a current operation related to that device
303 [10:39:54] <b30wulf> or u can -f for force umount
304 [10:40:00] <b30wulf> if u like it rough
305 [10:41:08] <steph_> I'm trying to run a script which installs lightdm, and it complains about having multiple xmanagers. How do I configure this using debconf-set-selections ?
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309 [10:43:36] <bersace> steph_, did you try something like dpkg-reconfigure -plow lightdm ?
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313 [10:45:41] <steph_> before or after installing xfce4 ?
314 [10:46:34] <steph_> I tried this in my install script echo "lightdm shared/default-x-display-manager select lightdm" | sudo debconf-set-selections
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372 [11:25:32] <steph_> I do "sudo apt-get --purge -y remove gdm3" but I still get a complaint about xwindow conflicts when installing lightdm
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405 [11:41:13] <Sveta> steph_: 'dpkg reconfigure lightdm' allows you to select which dm is the main one
406 [11:41:18] <Sveta> steph_: is that what you want?
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408 [11:42:26] <steph_> Sveta, tanks for your time! I want to automate the process of installing xfce
409 [11:42:50] <Sveta> steph_: sorry, I mean "dpkg-reconfigure lightdm"
410 [11:42:54] <Sveta> steph_: and it is interactive
411 [11:42:57] <steph_> I did some debconf-set-selection but not good enough it seems, as I still get the question
412 [11:43:01] <steph_> I need non-interactive
413 [11:43:11] <Sveta> steph_: what is the text of the question?
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421 [11:46:43] <steph_> Sveta, Configuring lightdm ├──────────────────────────┐│││ A display manager is a program that provides graphical login││ capabilities for the X Window System.││││ Only one display manager can manage a given X server, but multiple││ display manager packages are installed. Please select which display││ manager should run by default.││││ Multiple
422 [11:46:43] <steph_> display managers can run simultaneously if they are configured ││ to manage different servers; to achieve this, configure the display││ managers accordingly, edit each of their init scripts in /etc/init.d,││ and disable the check for a default display manager.││││<Ok>
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425 [11:47:31] <steph_> I get stuck on that. Cannot automate this ?
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427 [11:48:50] <Sveta> steph_: oh... and I see, you are already using the -y switch
428 [11:48:54] <Sveta> steph_: ((I do "sudo apt-get --purge -y remove gdm3" but I still get a complaint about xwindow conflicts when installing lightdm))
429 [11:49:02] <Sveta> steph_: what options does it offer when this happens?
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432 [11:50:13] <Sveta> steph_: replaced-url
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450 [12:03:57] <steph_> Sveta, adding -q doesnt help
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477 [12:14:52] <Sveta> steph_: what does it ask you?
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479 [12:15:04] <steph_> lightdm or gdm3
480 [12:15:21] <Sveta> steph_: it means it still thinks gdm3 is installed, even after you purged it
481 [12:15:21] <steph_> I did "sudo apt-get --purge -y remove gdm3"
482 [12:15:34] <Sveta> steph_: I think this is a bug in the gdm3 package
483 [12:15:39] <steph_> Sveta, needs a reboot ?
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485 [12:15:53] <Sveta> steph_: you can try a reboot but I do not think it will help
486 [12:16:04] <steph_> which file do I need to modify ? :)
487 [12:17:34] <Sveta> sorry I do not know
488 [12:17:43] <Sveta> someone else here can help you, please wait
489 [12:18:17] <Sveta> brief summary of your issue: "I removed gdm using "sudo apt-get --purge -y remove gdm3" but now when installing lightdm it still has gdm3 listed in the interactive configure dialog, how do I remove it?"
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499 [12:25:44] <rant> idk I been ignoring this because that seems to be the focus but has nothing to do with the issue at hand
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501 [12:26:01] <siwica> What is a "phased update"?
502 [12:26:10] <rant> the issue as I see it is wanting to know how to get past debconf dialogs
503 [12:27:09] <rant> or more specifically how to automate installing lightdm as the default DM on numerous machines in an automated way
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507 [12:27:35] <rant> this is why you shouldn't come in here with XY problems and just say what it is you're trying to do
508 [12:28:41] <rant> siwica: its something Debian doesn't do.. go to #ubuntu
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525 [12:36:56] <rant> steph_: if this is the case, your goal is merely to automate installing of lightdm and setting it as default without interaction you need only do: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt -y install lightdm&&echo "/usr/sbin/lightdm">/etc/X11/default-display-manager
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527 [12:38:22] <rant> however all the questions, solutions, pasting of debconf dialogs..etc you did got you so far from that solution running in circles.. so .. don't do that in the future.. just come in and ask your real question
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533 [12:40:50] <blackflow> !xy
534 [12:40:51] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
535 [12:40:55] <blackflow> ah, we have it
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540 [12:44:05] <rant> we went over debconf dialog issues, apt issues regarding gdm3, etc.. and the root issue here doesnt seem to involve either at all as the goal was just to automate install of lightdm as the default wm
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542 [12:44:32] <rant> you could solve all those problems, and still not reach the goal
543 [12:44:33] <strk> why would "hash mismatch" come out from apt (1.2.10) occasionally ?
544 [12:44:59] <rant> strk: my guess is because there is occasionally a hash mismatch
545 [12:46:12] <rant> and before you ask me what that means, realize you gave absolutely no context to what command you ran, what your expectation was, what actually happened..
546 [12:47:42] <rant> dpkg, what are good questions?
547 [12:47:43] <dpkg> rant: I think you lost me on that one
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551 [12:48:57] <rant> dpkg, what are smart questions?
552 [12:48:58] <dpkg> I think you lost me on that one, rant
553 [12:49:21] <rant> dpkg, what is smart questions?
554 [12:49:21] <dpkg> Asking the right question can be hard, and effective communication is easier if you give us extra information. replaced-url
555 [12:49:46] <rant> heh.. apparently it doesnt know proper grammar.. dually noted
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599 [13:15:13] <angry_route> Hi! Does anyone has any experience with pppoe on Debian? Is there a way to make it retry to connect indefinitely? Thanks!!!
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620 [13:32:39] <BCMM> are there any tools that, given a list of packages, can predict the disk space requirements for a debian install? (or just list the *full* dependencies of the packages, and i'll make the maths happen myself)
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623 [13:33:30] <BCMM> (i'm trying to work out how much SD card to buy for a NAS SBC setup)
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625 [13:34:33] <NetTerminalGene> does debian update packages that aren't necessary anymore?
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627 [13:34:46] <tarzeau> NetTerminalGene: have a package name?
628 [13:35:05] <BCMM> i know all the metadata i need for this task is on packages.debian.org, but i'm not sure how to put it all together
629 [13:35:32] <NetTerminalGene> tarzeau, packages that you can remove by "apt autoremove"
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631 [13:36:19] <tarzeau> NetTerminalGene: i don't have any such packages. can you list a few of yours?
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633 [13:36:44] <NetTerminalGene> tarzeau, what does it differ?
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635 [13:37:29] <tarzeau> NetTerminalGene: it matters, because depending on the package. it might be different reasons/answers... so i want to get an idea what packages you have
636 [13:37:44] <NetTerminalGene> like qemu
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638 [13:38:08] <tarzeau> replaced-url
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640 [13:38:26] <tarzeau> if it's in sid, and not belongs to qa team, it's maintained and gets updates, see debian/changelog for how often
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642 [13:38:38] <tarzeau> fonts/ttf- packages might be different, lib* packages as well
643 [13:38:49] <NetTerminalGene> ok
644 [13:38:56] <tarzeau> sometimes there are transitions, packages get renamed, etc
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649 [13:41:13] <rant> NetTerminalGene: things which aren't needed anymore are removed.. the methods by which this is determined varies as was previously stated
650 [13:41:50] <NetTerminalGene> rant, they can be removed with apt autoremove
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652 [13:42:26] <rant> NetTerminalGene: autoremove merely removes things which were auto installed and the things which have caused them to be auto installed are no longer installed
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655 [13:43:12] <rant> NetTerminalGene: its being confused I believe, whether you are talking about YOUR system or the Debian Project and its repositories
656 [13:43:56] <NetTerminalGene> the truth is i upgraded to buster. and it wants to remove some gnome core packages and some packages that i installed manually
657 [13:44:20] <NetTerminalGene> so, i shouldn't do autoremove
658 [13:44:47] <rant> NetTerminalGene: If for example you were to say to apt, install foo and foo depends on bar and baz, apt would also autoinstall bar and baz and they would be marked as autoinstalled if you later install qux and it depends on baz, and later remove foo, then bar would no longer be required and since it was autoinstalled and marked as auto installed, it would be marked for autoremove
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660 [13:45:13] <rant> NetTerminalGene: anything you explicitly tell apt to install will be marked as manually installed and is not autoremovable
661 [13:45:36] <rant> i.e. merly saying apt install bar will mark bar as manually installed
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666 [13:47:54] <NetTerminalGene> i didn't get the answer though. if i don't remove them, would apt updates them when update come
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668 [13:48:15] <NetTerminalGene> yes or no
669 [13:48:44] <rant> apt will update anything which the policy says there is an update for
670 [13:48:54] <rant> when you tell apt to upgrade
671 [13:48:58] <NetTerminalGene> so it is a yes?
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673 [13:49:22] <rant> I cannot answer that as I dont think we're understanding one another
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675 [13:49:59] <rant> first of all update is not the right term.. update is merely an update of the local cache, upgrade is where a package is replaced by a newer one
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677 [13:50:17] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: "apt" command does not do autoremove automatically by default, next to some other action. "aptitude" does.
678 [13:50:20] <rant> the answer to the question you seem to be asking now, is the policy
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680 [13:50:55] <jelly> I have no idea whether that has changed for "apt" in buster, read the changelog.
681 [13:51:07] <rant> the policy is in regards to the current state of the package cache with regards to all available packages, their priorities, their status (holds, pins, etc)
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683 [13:51:33] <rant> its visible with apt policy or apt policy <package?
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686 [13:52:24] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: doing an upgrade will patch up everything that's installed, even if installed automatically
687 [13:53:20] <jelly> there's no optimization pass like "we don't upgrade these because they should be removed anyway"
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689 [13:53:38] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, rant replaced-url
690 [13:53:44] <NetTerminalGene> packages it wants to remove
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692 [13:54:11] <NetTerminalGene> as you can see there are packages like "gnome-themes-standard" core package
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694 [13:55:02] <NetTerminalGene> and this it the policy replaced-url
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700 [13:57:37] <tzfrs> Hi guys. :)
701 [13:57:41] <tzfrs> And girls*
702 [13:57:52] <NetTerminalGene> tzfrs, hi. sup?
703 [13:58:18] <tzfrs> I'm executing "apt update && apt install -y --no-install-recommends git openssh-client", but it's always stuck at "Hit:7 replaced-url
704 [13:58:26] <tzfrs> NetTerminalGene, not much, and with you?
705 [13:58:37] <NetTerminalGene> just drnking coffee
706 [13:58:44] <tzfrs> just finished mine. could get a new one tho
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717 [14:03:00] <tzfrs> Hm, now it's stuck at "replaced-url
718 [14:03:14] <earlybird> Is there a way to link the operstate of an interface to the state of another without resorting to separate daemons like networkd or custom ones doing busy polling? My problem is, when creating a bridge interface with 2 ports (say downstream0 and upstream0) belong to two different physical links, when pulling ("failing") one of the physical links, I want the bridge to go down (the bridge device, and not just
719 [14:03:15] <earlybird> the port). Is there a way to accomplish this (target platform is non-systemd)? I haven't found any useful hints in ip-link, and nothing interesting in sysfs.
720 [14:03:47] <earlybird> (the ip-link man page).
721 [14:04:06] <earlybird> So essentially, when a slave link goes down, I want the master to go down too.
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728 [14:09:35] <tzfrs> Whops, dc accidentally.
729 [14:09:46] <strk> rant: Hash Mismatch: I'm getting failures from an ansible module that should theoretically just do: apt-get update
730 [14:09:59] <strk> but if I run it manually it works, and sometimes it even works when run by ansible
731 [14:10:10] <strk> trying to understand what could trigger it
732 [14:10:18] <strk> a partial Packages file found on server ?
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735 [14:12:24] <rant> strk: that would be my first guess is that its due to a cache error in the package database.. but idk what ansible even is so.. I'm probably not going to be of any help with that
736 [14:13:23] <petn-randall> strk: Does running 'apt-get update' produce the same error?
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747 [14:17:14] <strk> petn-randall: nope, I can't get that error to occur via `apt-get update`
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779 [14:36:50] <jelly> SpeedyG: parsing ls output is NEVER a good way to do anything. but the idea there is tty ownership is retained over sudo or su. Thus even in a root shell you can figure out which real user logged in.
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781 [14:37:49] <SpeedyG> jelly: hm, would there be a 'better' way to determine that? :)
782 [14:38:35] <JustASlacker> well, whoami might not be avaible
783 [14:38:35] <SpeedyG> because your first remark was what I thought... its a co-worker's script
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788 [14:39:39] <jelly> SpeedyG: use stat(1)
789 [14:41:08] <jelly> JustASlacker: then that is probably not a Debian installation, whoami is in coreutils
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792 [14:42:07] <JustASlacker> I recently had a debian without "shutdown" and "telinit"
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800 [14:45:15] <petn-randall> strk: Sounds like an ansible problem then. Though I'd check twice to ensure that you're verifying it on the same machine.
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802 [14:46:10] <SpeedyG> jelly: just found 'logname' prints the original user too apparently :)
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805 [14:47:30] <jelly> it does... open("/proc/self/loginuid", O_RDONLY) = 3
806 [14:47:36] * jelly never heard of that
807 [14:47:52] * SpeedyG neither :)
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811 [14:48:58] <strk> petn-randall: I just wonder if it could be related to some race condition
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852 [15:04:54] <zodd_> is there a way to determine what percentage of an update/upgrade process has finished?
853 [15:05:10] <zodd_> (in this case an apt-get dist-upgrade)
854 [15:05:12] <petn-randall> zodd_: Not really, why?
855 [15:05:30] <zodd_> Just wondering. And I would like to reboot the host
856 [15:05:58] <zodd_> just postponing a crapy windows reboot for the sake of an updating VM
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858 [15:06:45] <zodd_> but thanks for confirming my suspection
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866 [15:10:49] <petn-randall> zodd_: If you reboot mid-upgrade, the VM might become unbootable.
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873 [15:13:04] <zodd_> yep. Hence my waiting, which is a bit annoying as lots of Windows 10 (especially 32bit) stuff is crashing/has crashed making a reboot desirable.
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879 [15:14:04] <zodd_> petn-randall, is your name Gaelic?
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890 [15:15:50] <BCMM> can't you freeze the vm?
891 [15:16:17] <zodd_> I probably can. Not sure. It is a virtualbox one
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895 [15:16:22] <BCMM> like, not shut it down in any way that the software inside is aware of, just save state and suspend it?
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897 [15:16:26] <BCMM> yeah, vbox definitely does that
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900 [15:17:01] <BCMM> about the worst thing that could come from that would be the guest additions playing up, but they do that anyway, don't they?
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905 [15:17:07] <zodd_> sounds like an option. Quite trivial. Thanks
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949 [15:39:28] <sentriz> hello. could I run into any issues by changing root's default shell with `chsh`?
950 [15:40:03] <tarzeau> if you give a shell that doesn't exist
951 [15:40:15] <tarzeau> i often use zsh, no problems
952 [15:40:53] <sentriz> cool. I think for my next server install I will just have one user, root. but I need to change shell and stuff so that its nice to use
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957 [15:42:58] <NetTerminalGene> how can i learn when a particular package was installed?
958 [15:43:39] <SlidingHorn> NetTerminalGene: You can take a look at the contents of /var/log/apt/ for starters
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960 [15:44:03] <sentriz> NetTerminalGene: grep installed /var/log/dpkg.log
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962 [15:45:49] <NetTerminalGene> thanks
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966 [15:50:56] <NetTerminalGene> what the heck does half-installed mean?
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969 [15:51:21] <sentriz> 🤔
970 [15:52:12] <zodd> BCMM, worked like a charm. Thanks. Sometimes things are so obvious...
971 [15:52:45] <BCMM> to be fair, virtualisation is kind of inherently counterintuitive
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973 [15:55:57] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: /var/log/apt/history.log will tell you more, too.
974 [15:56:07] <zodd> It has been ages I used Vbox and usually VMs are that fast and stable nowadays you do not need to trick them anymore
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1005 [16:07:54] <__m4ch1n3__> the pae kernel is for machines with less then 3 or 4 gb ram? is that correct?
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1013 [16:09:37] <jelly> __m4ch1n3__: no, it's for machines with more than 3GB RAM and a 32-bit only CPU.
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1015 [16:10:17] <jelly> it also works on any post-Pentium2 system regardless of the amount of RAM
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1019 [16:11:35] <__m4ch1n3__> so installing it on 64bit capable cpu would reduce performance?
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1023 [16:12:47] <petn-randall> __m4ch1n3__: Probably, but for other reasons than you think. Is there a specific problem you're trying to solve?
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1031 [16:16:06] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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1037 [16:18:54] <strk> petn-randall: I verified I'm on the same machine, in particular I started the Travis "debug-build" (giving you ssh access to the testing machine) and while ansible-playbook failed the first time, it succeeded upon dropping the environment and continued succeeding after re-adding the environment
1038 [16:19:09] <strk> I'm out of ideas as of how to reproduce deterministically
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1041 [16:19:29] <strk> which moving parts are in apt that I can snapshot to compare before/after runs ?
1042 [16:19:43] <strk> is /var/cache/apt/ enough ?
1043 [16:20:35] <petn-randall> strk: /var/lib/apt maybe, too.
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1045 [16:20:44] <__m4ch1n3__> petn-randall, only trying to find out if there are maybe some kernel tweaks/configurations that could improve performance in gaming, csgo on my machine has 30-40% gpu utilization but near to 100% cpu usage. so cpu seems to be fps bottleneck
1046 [16:21:18] <Tenkawa> __m4ch1n3__: that can be misleading
1047 [16:21:31] <Tenkawa> it could also be io to the cpu
1048 [16:21:55] <Tenkawa> not just video
1049 [16:22:04] <petn-randall> __m4ch1n3__: CS:GO runs on Debian?
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1052 [16:22:19] <__m4ch1n3__> yes native linux client
1053 [16:22:31] <Tenkawa> petn-randall: yeah that was question #1
1054 [16:22:33] <Tenkawa> i had
1055 [16:22:34] <__m4ch1n3__> btw csgo turned free 2 play
1056 [16:22:40] <Tenkawa> i wass just about to ask
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1058 [16:22:59] <__m4ch1n3__> yes yes :D cs 1.6 to
1059 [16:23:04] <Tenkawa> __m4ch1n3__: intriguing
1060 [16:23:19] <Guismy> nobody for a cs 1.5 ?
1061 [16:23:37] <Guismy> on 16bit for smoke
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1065 [16:24:25] <Tenkawa> its not steam based is it?
1066 [16:24:32] <petn-randall> The again pretty much all ID tech engines have Linux clients, except for the latest I think? And goldsrc engines are derived from that.
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1068 [16:24:49] <petn-randall> ... from the earlier ID tech engines.
1069 [16:24:57] <JustASlacker> does ID still make engines?
1070 [16:25:01] <Guismy> Tenkawa, it's before steam
1071 [16:25:06] <Tenkawa> oh wow
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1073 [16:25:10] <Tenkawa> thats old
1074 [16:25:16] <Guismy> Yes...
1075 [16:25:31] <__m4ch1n3__> it is :D, but its possible to run it without steam after downloaded with steam, but then its not possible to play official match making on VAC anti cheat protected servers
1076 [16:26:53] <Guismy> i launch download cs:go, do you know if KZ map exist ?
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1078 [16:27:15] <__m4ch1n3__> kz?
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1081 [16:28:44] <Guismy> it's old, it's climp map
1082 [16:29:11] <__m4ch1n3__> there is "community hub" in steam which is a platform for sharing community content with looot custom maps, if you subscribe a map on com.hub then you can play it
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1086 [16:31:27] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
1087 [16:31:57] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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1089 [16:32:45] <__m4ch1n3__> there are 100k workshop/community maps
1090 [16:33:08] <Guismy> ok i'll try this night
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1097 [16:35:19] <Tenkawa> uggh we keep going from snow to rain to snow to rain
1098 [16:35:32] <Tenkawa> completely skipping sun
1099 [16:35:57] <greycat> Around here, we call that "February".
1100 [16:36:08] <Tenkawa> greycat: yeah i hate it
1101 [16:37:19] <__m4ch1n3__> Tenkawa, there are free virtual machine windows images, for windows below version 10 itss possible to refresh activation if it expires after time
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1104 [16:38:09] <Tenkawa> greycat: I moved out of tornado alley... right into this mess
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1108 [16:38:55] <Tenkawa> __m4ch1n3__: it seems to be something with my cpu... its only happening with my amd
1109 [16:39:05] <Tenkawa> my intel was fine
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1111 [16:39:17] <Tenkawa> but that machine died
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1114 [16:39:35] <__m4ch1n3__> rip
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1116 [16:40:00] <Tenkawa> I'm trying to change the cpuid to an intel cpu for the vm on this install
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1120 [16:40:23] <Tenkawa> because this host machine is awesome
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1122 [16:41:13] <Tenkawa> just maxxed its ram out
1123 [16:41:31] <Tenkawa> got it running full solid state storage all the way
1124 [16:41:44] <Tenkawa> I'm very pleased
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1128 [16:42:43] <Tenkawa> (and its small.. i like small portable laptops)
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1149 [16:50:51] <ws2k3> so every 45 minets i get an mail from clamav Cron Daemon is there a way to stop this where would i do that?
1150 [16:51:24] <greycat> What does it say?
1151 [16:52:01] <ws2k3> greycat replaced-url
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1153 [16:52:55] <strk> what could "apt-get update" do that makes a python apt-get update run succeed ?
1154 [16:53:40] <ws2k3> greycat in /etc/cron.d/clamav-unofficial-sigs i have this cron listed 45 * * * * clamav [ -x /usr/sbin/clamav-unofficial-sigs ] && /usr/sbin/clamav-unofficial-sigs so maby its related
1155 [16:53:43] <greycat> Well, I see several errors that you ought to go fix. I also see what looks like pieces of a config file, but I have no idea why it would show you those, unless it thinks you need to read them and do something.
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1157 [16:54:14] <greycat> OK, now you know what command it's running to make this output, so you can also read the documentation for that command.
1158 [16:54:18] <strk> copying backed-up /var/lib/apt back makes the failure re-appear
1159 [16:54:20] <greycat> While you work on fixing all those permission errors.
1160 [16:54:47] <ws2k3> greycat but when i run that command by hand i dont get any output
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1162 [16:55:26] <karlpinc> What does a message like this mean in the logs? kernel: [1800041.572038] usb 5-3: reset high-speed USB device number 2 using ehci-pci smartd was trying to do diagnostics on an external usb drive and failed with: "Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], failed to read SMART Attribute Data" But the drive seems to be working fine.
1163 [16:55:28] <greycat> As which user? How did you become user clamav? Is there something in your interactive environment that's relevant?
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1165 [16:55:53] <ws2k3> i am root now it seems that works but how can i run this command as user clamav as i cannot su into that user
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1171 [16:57:33] <greycat> So it works when you run it as root, but not when you run it as clamav. Which explains all the "operation not permitted"s.
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1174 [16:58:18] <Tenkawa> wow I can definitely tell I changed the guest cpu type.. I'm losing out on all the features of my better cpus and the 5 expanded cores
1175 [16:58:21] <ws2k3> greycat true and i know that i need to fix thos error. but how can i stop it sending me the output? and how/where does it know to which mail addres to send it
1176 [16:58:27] <Tenkawa> much slower
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1178 [16:58:39] <Tenkawa> but for what I'm using it for I dont care if it works
1179 [16:59:10] <Tenkawa> I just need something that can run occasional win10 stuff for people
1180 [16:59:41] <greycat> ws2k3: cron jobs send stdout/stderr as email to the OWNER of said job. In this case the owner is "clamav". It said so right in the file.
1181 [17:00:04] <greycat> It seems probable that you've got an email alias for clamav redirecting it to your inbox.
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1183 [17:00:33] <ws2k3> greycat then where is the mail adres for a linux user defined?
1184 [17:00:56] <greycat> Wrong question. You mean, where are EMAIL ALIASES defined? Usually in either /etc/aliases or /etc/mail/aliases.
1185 [17:01:17] <greycat> And you may or may not need to run the command "newaliases" after editing one of those. Hopefully your version will tell you in a comment at the top of the file.
1186 [17:01:30] <greycat> Or you could tell us which MTA you use, and someone may know whether yours needs newaliases or not.
1187 [17:01:41] <greycat> Or you could simply run newaliases and ignore it if it fails.
1188 [17:02:30] <greycat> If user clamav has a home directory, there could also be a file in there that performs the redirection/forwarding. For example ".forward" or ".qmail".
1189 [17:02:36] <greycat> Depending, again, on your MTA.
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1192 [17:03:26] <ws2k3> i use postfix replaced-url
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1195 [17:03:59] <greycat> I'm assuming because you told postfix that your default host/domain is example.com.
1196 [17:04:06] <greycat> And the clamav part has already been explained.
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1201 [17:05:16] <ws2k3> greycat the postfix part i get the clamavpart i do not, cause in the file it says clamav: root and root: admin@example.com so why does it get send to clamav@example.com?
1202 [17:05:33] <greycat> Re-read everything I said.
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1204 [17:05:39] <greycat> I am not going to repeat it all.
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1207 [17:06:36] <ws2k3> greycat thank you!
1208 [17:06:42] <jelly> ws2k3: postfix appends @$mydomain to unqualified addresses like "clamav" by default.
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1210 [17:07:02] <jelly> sorry, not @$mydomain. @$mydestination IIRC
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1212 [17:07:48] <ws2k3> jelly greycat it does get send out to root@example.com but root@example.com is an alias in the external mailserver, so i finaly understand it. thanks alot
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1214 [17:09:00] <greycat> So, apparently the fact that this clamav-wossname thingy is failing is not causing you any distress. You don't even seem to know what it *is*, or what it *does*, if I'm reading you right. So maybe you should just not run it at all.
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1216 [17:09:10] <greycat> (I have no idea what it is, either.)
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1218 [17:09:40] <karlpinc> greycat: It does virus detection on mail passing through an MTA.
1219 [17:10:10] <greycat> I mean specifically the ... what was it ... pageup pageup pageup ... /usr/sbin/clamav-unofficial-sigs program.
1220 [17:10:41] <greycat> From the name, maybe it's supposed to download new virus signatures, or something?
1221 [17:10:56] <ws2k3> greycat exacly what karlpinc sad but there are some onuffocial repo you can download signatures from those repo's are gathered in the clamav-unofficial-sigs program basicly its a set of bash scripts and config files
1222 [17:11:07] <greycat> So either stop using this thing, or fix it.
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1224 [17:11:37] <ws2k3> greycat im gonna fix it. but i just need to stop emailing the ouput cause there is no added value to getting that every 45 mins
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1226 [17:11:53] <greycat> Well it's not *working*, obviously.
1227 [17:12:08] <greycat> So maybe stop running this cron job.
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1238 [17:16:26] <jelly> also, what kinds of dirty tricks do you have to make a cron job do its work every 45 minutes!
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1240 [17:18:21] <greycat> It's every hour, not every 45 minutes. It's at *:45 but he's not fluent enough in English to say it correctly.
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1263 [17:34:40] <jhutchins_wk> The main benefit of clamav is that you can show an auditor that you have an av program installed.
1264 [17:34:56] <jhutchins_wk> If you actually need functionality, you need something like avg.
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1267 [17:35:03] <jhutchins_wk> agv?
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1272 [17:36:25] <EdePopede> agv iirc
1273 [17:36:50] <EdePopede> er, no! avg.
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1280 [17:39:50] <jhutchins_wk> Do they still offer a free linux version?
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1287 [17:42:28] <EdePopede> avg? WMA only it seems. there's an article on their site promoting a linux version. from the last decade.
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1290 [17:44:36] <EdePopede> avast seems to be their solution now, more for servers than desktop
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1299 [17:46:51] <EdePopede> heh: replaced-url
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1317 [17:55:37] * jelly points Ede to windows or schadenfreude or /dev/null
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1323 [17:56:50] <EdePopede> you had me for a moment: * ##schadenfreude :No such nick/channel
1324 [17:57:11] <EdePopede> still, would be a scanner a thing for daily home usage?
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1334 [18:00:54] <EdePopede> i wouldn't put that other pc online while running the preinstalled win 10 for the moment, the last os from redmond i've used was xp in the last decade. only used some virus scanner back then on linux, no idea why. it never felt dangerous using debian during the last years without shields up and condition yellow.
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1380 [18:22:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
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1386 [18:27:10] <mackerel449> anyone here using buster? how stable is it with a DE?
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1390 [18:27:50] <smoi> Hello o/
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1392 [18:28:21] <smoi> Is there someone who try to use USB C to daisy chain two display port monitor with a USB C to DisplayPort MST cable ?
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1423 [18:38:23] <mackerel449> smoi: is that a setup that works on windows?
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1425 [18:38:33] <ska> Were using bind9 and isc-dhcpd, and have it configured to register the client names, but for some reason, my debian systems don't register.
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1427 [18:38:44] <smoi> mackerel449: yup
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1429 [18:39:09] <ska> I'm using stock dhclient.conf, .
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1431 [18:39:39] <smoi> But, better it's work on linux too ! only once after reboot. If I unplug the cable and plug it again, nothing append
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1434 [18:39:55] <mackerel449> try a newer kernel?
1435 [18:40:06] <smoi> 4.19 is pretty new
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1437 [18:40:29] <smoi> 4.19.12-1
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1439 [18:40:46] <smoi> happen*
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1445 [18:42:20] <petn-randall> ska: How are you starting dhclient?
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1448 [18:42:32] <petn-randall> mackerel449: There's a better channel for that question:
1449 [18:42:34] <petn-randall> !debian-next
1450 [18:42:34] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1451 [18:42:43] <mackerel449> thanks
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1466 [18:46:50] <mackerel449> smoi: 4.20+ has usb c changes apparently replaced-url
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1469 [18:47:30] <ksk> EdePopede: I dont think you will find many "viruses" for linux anyway. but if you are like in a mixed OS environment or get email it might be nice (for others) if you removed any viruses they contained - so there might be a reason to run antivirus on linux.
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1473 [18:48:34] <smoi> Hum
1474 [18:48:40] <jelly> ,kernels
1475 [18:48:42] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-2-686-pae (4.19.16-1); buster: 4.19.0-2-686-pae (4.19.16-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.19.12-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-
1476 [18:48:43] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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1479 [18:48:58] <smoi> Maybe I will try to install a ubuntu side to see if it work on it
1480 [18:49:04] <ska> petn-randall: I don't use NetworkManger.. ifup calls it AFACT.
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1482 [18:49:33] <petn-randall> ska: So how does the problem exactly show? The Debian machine never gets a lease?
1483 [18:49:48] <mackerel449> smoi: looks like debian has 4.20 too
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1486 [18:49:55] <ska> No we get a lease, but the dns server's host table doesnt' get an update.
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1488 [18:50:01] <smoi> experimental :D
1489 [18:50:07] <EdePopede> ksk: exactly the essence of an article on the subject i've read years ago
1490 [18:50:37] <ska> petn-randall: I've tried fiddling with dhclient.conf etc, but I run stock default now.
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1492 [18:51:19] <smoi> mackerel449: I will try, but I don't want to install too much experimental on my laptop I use everyday :D
1493 [18:51:35] <mackerel449> smoi: what do you have to graphics?
1494 [18:51:38] <mackerel449> for*
1495 [18:51:49] <smoi> Intel integrated
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1500 [18:54:05] <mackerel449> worst case you'll manually have to pick the older kernel in grub to get your current setup back
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1502 [18:54:42] <smoi> Yeah, true
1503 [18:54:50] <petn-randall> ska: That's the job of bind9/dhcpd, the client only sends whatever is set with "send host-name <foo>" in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf.
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1509 [18:56:21] <mackerel449> intel igp's don't have separate packages for the microcode blobs like the new AMD APU's, it's probably the simplest situation you could have for trying new kernels
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1514 [18:57:22] <smoi> Because on a Ryzen processor I should to update microcode separately ?
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1516 [18:58:08] <ska> petn-randall: yes, I agree, I have no way to check . They say it works for "other " hosts.
1517 [18:58:29] <ska> petn-randall: I have the stock line for host-name in dhclient.conf.
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1520 [18:59:06] <mackerel449> smoi: i had to install debian on a 2200g, it was a mess, the driver or something leaks memory too so it needs restarts sometimes
1521 [18:59:06] <petn-randall> firmware-misc-nonfree usually ships the firmware for Intel GPUs.
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1523 [18:59:38] <petn-randall> ska: What is that line? (I've modified it)
1524 [19:00:14] <smoi> I have issue on my server with 1700 I dunno why for now
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1526 [19:00:53] <mackerel449> the cpu microcode, the gpu blobs are separate and some combination didn't work until i installed some 4.20 github .debs
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1532 [19:02:33] <smoi> SO
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1534 [19:02:40] <smoi> It works with 4.20
1535 [19:02:42] <smoi> <3
1536 [19:03:01] <mackerel449> cool
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1538 [19:03:21] <smoi> Two quadHD screen with only one USBC cable
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1543 [19:04:35] <smoi> mackerel449: thanks you
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1545 [19:04:47] <mackerel449> smoi: np
1546 [19:05:31] <smoi> Oh no
1547 [19:05:38] <smoi> disconnect the cable, plug it back
1548 [19:05:43] <smoi> No screen anymore T.T
1549 [19:06:07] <jelly> "don't do that then"
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1552 [19:06:41] <mackerel449> ^ yup, try 5.0 when it comes out
1553 [19:06:41] <rfengineer> sounds interesting (grabs popcorn)
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1555 [19:07:27] <smoi> Sure but when it come time to work, don't have the choice to disconnect :D
1556 [19:08:15] <jelly> smoi: if the relevant change is just a driver one for xhci (usb3 controller) or particular device, you can file a Priority: minor or wishlist bug report for it to be backported to 4.19 kernel which is likely to be the default kernel in Debian 10
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1559 [19:08:48] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi guys
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1561 [19:09:03] <Eryn_1983_FL> so i am looking for a replacement for logwatch
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1565 [19:11:08] <smoi> in fact, after some test. It work in 4.19 too. If the cable is plugged at startup, it work
1566 [19:11:31] <smoi> (iirc didn't work on gnome, but lightdm + i3wm work)
1567 [19:11:44] <smoi> So I can startup my laptop with 3 screen
1568 [19:11:48] <smoi> But cannot unplug it :D
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1570 [19:13:10] <ska> petn-randall: `send host-name = gethostname();`
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1573 [19:13:45] <smoi> 4.20 didn't solve anything :D I just hope my hope become reality :D
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1576 [19:14:37] <ska> petn-randall: my whole file looks like replaced-url
1577 [19:14:49] <rfengineer> smoi - I have found a similar (perhaps unrelated) problem in stretch. If I plug in a VGA monitor into my laptop, it doesn't work, but if I boot the laptop with it already plugged in and turned on, it does.
1578 [19:15:15] <ska> petn-randall: The sysadmin here says this issue is unique to debian systems.
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1580 [19:16:06] <smoi> Hum, dunno if there is some link, looks like USB C alternate mode work when it want :/
1581 [19:16:21] <smoi> Have you solved your issue ?
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1585 [19:16:47] <rfengineer> Nope. For my needs I work around it.
1586 [19:16:51] <smoi> :D
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1588 [19:17:09] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys what is a good customizable log analysis system
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1591 [19:17:15] <Eryn_1983_FL> for linux systems
1592 [19:17:32] <smoi> sad
1593 [19:17:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> i want somewith some build in checks so i dont have to start from scratch..
1594 [19:17:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> sad??
1595 [19:17:45] <smoi> not for you
1596 [19:17:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> k
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1598 [19:18:32] <smoi> So, I will see later, need to go now
1599 [19:18:39] <smoi> Thanks you for your time
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1602 [19:20:03] <rfengineer> quit and away we go...
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1605 [19:20:38] <petn-randall> ska: I'd try 'send host-name "foo"' and see if it gets set then. That would be my first step to debug it.
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1624 [19:29:35] <Tenkawa> anyone ever use the webchat client?
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1627 [19:29:55] <Tenkawa> to get on freenode
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1630 [19:30:50] <Tenkawa> where does it get its font settings from?
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1632 [19:31:04] <Tenkawa> is there "any" way to adjust them?
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1635 [19:31:21] <mutante> Tenkawa: fonts on IRC ?
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1637 [19:31:38] <Tenkawa> mutante: the webclient
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1639 [19:31:47] <mutante> Tenkawa: oh, probably from the OS and / or browser itself
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1644 [19:33:02] <Tenkawa> right.. but theres a css/layout of sorts it creates
1645 [19:33:21] <Tenkawa> so all that would do is just skew everything
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1647 [19:33:49] <petn-randall> Tenkawa: That's not really a question for #debian, is it?
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1649 [19:34:07] <Tenkawa> petn-randall: I was just curious since some of you use it
1650 [19:34:15] <petn-randall> Tenkawa: /Maybe/ #freenode could help, though it's quite a specific request.
1651 [19:34:30] <Tenkawa> I'll stop
1652 [19:34:31] <petn-randall> Tenkawa: I'm guessing most use good ol' IRC clients.
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1657 [19:35:37] <Tenkawa> petn-randall: 3-5 places around here block irc ports
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1659 [19:36:15] <Tenkawa> er 3 out of every 5
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1666 [19:37:37] <petn-randall> meh
1667 [19:37:43] <Tenkawa> indeed
1668 [19:37:56] <petn-randall> Tenkawa: IIRC you can also log in via 443/tcp if you use SSL.
1669 [19:38:03] <petn-randall> for freenode/OFTC at least.
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1671 [19:38:14] <hesco> a fresh install on brand new hardware is failing with errors reading: "firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-8265-23.ucode"
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1673 [19:38:17] <Tenkawa> hmmm I should try that
1674 [19:38:23] <petn-randall> Instead of the IRC port 6667, or 6697.
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1676 [19:38:36] <Tenkawa> Let me go try that
1677 [19:38:38] <Tenkawa> brb
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1680 [19:38:46] <hesco> I am also seeing the same error for 8265-24, 8265-25 and 8265-26
1681 [19:39:17] <petn-randall> hesco: Did you install the firmware-iwlwifi package yet?
1682 [19:39:20] <hesco> I have resolved an earlier error related to 8265-22 by installing firmware-iwlwifi
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1685 [19:39:45] <hesco> petn-randall: yes, but it only resolved one of the original five errors.
1686 [19:39:51] <petn-randall> hesco: Is your wifi showing any issues?
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1691 [19:40:39] <hesco> I'm not even interested at the moment in my wifi. I have a hardwired connection to this machine. And wifi is superfluous to my needs at the moment.
1692 [19:41:08] <hesco> the machine has yet to complete a successful boot.
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1698 [19:42:19] <petn-randall> hesco: firmware is completely optional for booting.
1699 [19:42:44] <petn-randall> hesco: And it you wifi is not showing any issues, it's safe to ignore those informational messages.
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1701 [19:43:02] <hesco> it boots the install system, but not from grub. seems this firmware is critical to a boot
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1706 [19:43:58] <petn-randall> hesco: I highly doubt that wifi firmware is critical for boot. Where does it hang exactly? Have you tried removing the "quiet" kernel parameter from grub?
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1708 [19:44:30] <hesco> thanks, will try that on next boot
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1710 [19:45:36] <petn-randall> hesco: Those messages are from firmware loader hooks in the kernel module. They're in-place to load newer firmware than the burned-in one. However, it's possible that there isn't any newer firmware even released yet.
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1721 [19:50:14] <hesco> petn-randall: well, that makes for a far more informative boot
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1725 [19:53:05] <hesco> It tells me CRAT table not found; Finished initializing topology ret=0; kfd kfd: Initializing module; fb: switching to amdgpudrmfb from EFI VGA. At which point it stops sending new log messages and simply hangs.
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1727 [19:53:33] <hesco> Could that be a lack of drivers for my GPU, perhaps?
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1730 [19:54:06] <petn-randall> hesco: Can you upload a screenshot somewhere? Also works if you snap a pic with your mobile.
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1732 [19:54:37] <Tenkawa> sounds more like the iommu needs to be set
1733 [19:54:50] <petn-randall> hesco: Might be that the X server gets started, and that hangs itself somehow. What hardware do you have, what the GPU?
1734 [19:54:58] <petn-randall> Tenkawa: Needs to be "set"?
1735 [19:55:39] <Tenkawa> petn-randall: yep. passthru, on, off, etc
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1737 [19:56:09] <petn-randall> Tenkawa: Also, what OS release are you running?
1738 [19:56:18] <Tenkawa> I had that same issue with my amdgpu originally
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1740 [19:56:46] <Tenkawa> nightly as nightly gets
1741 [19:56:57] <ska> petn-randall: yes, that sends the data, the default also works same way.
1742 [19:57:15] <Tenkawa> so its not quite as old his software
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1744 [19:57:32] <jelly> "fb: switching to amdgpudrmfb from EFI VGA" might just means any further messages are invisibl because of unrelated framebuffer fail, but something _else_ hangs the system. Or that the system isn't hung at all, just the console is unresponsive
1745 [19:58:15] <petn-randall> hesco: Also, what OS release are you running?
1746 [19:58:20] <Tenkawa> you can always try the ctrl alt f2 vt trick
1747 [19:58:20] <jelly> "nothing on the screen" or "nothing changing on the screen" does not necessarily mean the system is hung
1748 [19:58:30] <Tenkawa> see if it switches to a vt
1749 [19:58:57] <karlpinc> Or at least see if it pings.
1750 [19:59:05] <Tenkawa> karlpinc: that too
1751 [19:59:06] <jelly> or Alt-SysRq-b, if it reboots it means the kernel wasn't hung and also keyboard input worked
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1754 [19:59:25] <hesco> petn-randall: screen shot ready, looking for place to upload it.
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1756 [19:59:33] <jhutchins_wk> !kms
1757 [19:59:33] <dpkg> Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. replaced-url
1758 [19:59:35] <Tenkawa> if you know its ip (or have access to the router and can see the device list)
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1763 [20:00:01] <jelly> hesco: imgur.com maybe
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1766 [20:01:13] <jhutchins_wk> !paste
1767 [20:01:13] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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1770 [20:01:43] <hesco> petn-randall: replaced-url
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1772 [20:01:52] <hesco> as requested
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1778 [20:04:53] <hesco> also: replaced-url
1779 [20:05:11] <Tenkawa> wow doubling the ram makes a huge difference compiling the kernel
1780 [20:05:13] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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1784 [20:07:16] <hesco> by editing my grub line, to remove quiet, I am able to get this far with a boot of a fresh Debian installation to new hardware: replaced-url
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1787 [20:08:52] <jelly> hesco: so the system output apparently gets stuck after framebuffer (graphic console) attempt to switch from EFI-based to amdgpu-specific driver
1788 [20:09:06] <Tenkawa> brb
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1792 [20:09:38] <jelly> hesco: if you press Alt-Sysrq-b at that point, does the machine reboot?
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1796 [20:13:02] <hesco> jelly: unresponsive to alt-sysrq
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1801 [20:13:58] <jelly> hesco: okay, this is debian 9 right? If you have a reasonably modern amd card it really might be the drivers, you might need a newer kernel (and matching new amdgpu firmware possibly)
1802 [20:14:40] <jelly> or specific boot parameter workarounds as tenkawa suggested
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1814 [20:19:37] <petn-randall> hesco: What jelly said. What OS release are you running?
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1817 [20:20:02] <jelly> what did I say?!
1818 [20:20:31] <petn-randall> "All your base are belong to us"?
1819 [20:20:57] <jelly> might have sung it as well about a decade ago
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1822 [20:21:33] <hesco> petn-randall: kernel 4.9.0-8-amd64
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1825 [20:22:38] <petn-randall> hesco: That's the kernel, not the OS release.
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1829 [20:22:57] <jelly> !debian suite
1830 [20:22:58] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
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1832 [20:23:09] <hesco> understood, still looking that up
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1834 [20:23:26] <jelly> but is a kernel version that looks exactly like the kernel version in debian 9.7
1835 [20:23:27] <hesco> I have no command line from which to query filesystem,
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1840 [20:24:10] <hesco> Debian 9.7.0 amd
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1842 [20:24:29] <petn-randall> hesco: Yeah, then I'd try the kernel from stretch-backports.
1843 [20:24:34] <petn-randall> !stretch-backport
1844 [20:24:44] <petn-randall> !stretch-backports
1845 [20:24:45] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See replaced-url
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1853 [20:26:49] <hesco> petn-randall: thanks, investigating that now
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1869 [20:34:29] <jelly> hesco: kernel from stretch-backports also really really wants firmware-amd-graphics from stretch-backports. And installing firmware-iwlwifi will probably silence "missing fw" noises from intel wireless department
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1873 [20:35:17] <velix> Oh Dear, "mutools" in Debian Stable is broken... Segfaults on my functions. Works from GIT.
1874 [20:35:28] <velix> I wonder, why nobody figured this out before me.
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1876 [20:35:52] <velix> qpdf still creates broken PDFs... it's time for a new Debian ;)
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1880 [20:38:32] <zleap> hi
1881 [20:38:52] <zleap> just loaded vlc up and I can't see the bar at the top of the window you can use to grab the window and move it about
1882 [20:39:01] <zleap> it seems to be above the top of the screen
1883 [20:39:51] <jelly> zleap: hold Alt key down, then attempt to move the window with left mouse and, er, moving
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1885 [20:40:29] <jmcnaught> or hit alt-space for the window controls menu, select move with arrow keys, move with arrow keys
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1887 [20:40:51] <jelly> does that work in gnoem
1888 [20:41:07] <jmcnaught> yeah and I think KDE, maybe others
1889 [20:41:07] <zleap> thanks, that seems to fix it
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1892 [20:41:39] <jelly> yay for common window manager controls inherited from windows 95 I guess!
1893 [20:41:56] <zleap> i wonder why it appears where it did though
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1895 [20:42:44] <jelly> some window managers get confused with their window placement esp. when one of both window dimensions are larger than the workspace
1896 [20:42:51] <klh> zleap: in vlc options you can choose to net resize the window at the size of the video
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1898 [20:42:57] <klh> *not
1899 [20:43:04] <zleap> ah ok
1900 [20:43:07] <jelly> some other window managers remember last size and position
1901 [20:43:23] <zleap> i can watch a dvd now while my netbook is working to upgrade from stretch to buster
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1904 [20:45:39] <jelly> !win zleap
1905 [20:45:39] <dpkg> Congratulations, zleap! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro!
1906 [20:45:55] <jelly> that actually does not sound too bad
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1908 [20:46:08] <jelly> dpkg: what kind of ironic prize is that
1909 [20:46:09] <dpkg> I think you lost me on that one, jelly
1910 [20:46:22] <jelly> dpkg: literal cmd: win (.*?)
1911 [20:46:22] <dpkg> "cmd: win (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> Congratulations, $1! You have won (second prize in a beauty contest|a one way ticket to (Baghdad|Cleveland|Nova Scotia|Christmas Island|Beirut|Rio de Janeiro|Fire Island|Gaza|Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!)|the US presidency|a lifetime supply of spam|the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120)!"
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1932 [20:57:02] <matesz44> Hey guys! Can i use the harris tactical chat with an rs232 port in the latest debian? If the windows program handles the port in wxp but not in w10 can I do that with this subsystem4linux thing on w10. Thanks4any response.
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1986 [21:28:31] <zleap> yay, this seems to have worked
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1992 [21:30:22] <petn-randall> matesz44: I doubt WSL has access to any low-level hardware in windows.
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1997 [21:31:22] <rant> kudos I was just gonna sit here and thousand yard stare through that unparsable question
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2009 [21:39:15] <matesz44> @petn-randall thanks
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2011 [21:39:32] <petn-randall> matesz44: You're welcome! Glad I could help.
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2019 [21:46:00] <GNU\colossus> am I correctly assuming that replaced-url
2020 [21:46:06] <at0m> uh "open to any entity that commercially designs, develops, or produces hardware or software that uses MIDI"
2021 [21:46:14] <at0m> oops sorry
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2023 [21:48:27] <GNU\colossus> ah, apparently, there's still a chance. yay!
2024 [21:48:45] <rant> GNU\colossus: yes, it will not be in buster. replaced-url
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2026 [21:49:19] <GNU\colossus> rant, the thread at replaced-url
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2028 [21:50:17] <rant> GNU\colossus: 03 FEB 2019 "A first version has just been pushed to unstable. The goal was just to
2029 [21:50:20] <rant> ensure the package exists before the soft freeze."
2030 [21:50:38] <rant> re my link: "2019-02-12 - Soft-freeze"
2031 [21:51:25] <rant> there is a slim chance.. it has 6 days left
2032 [21:51:52] <rant> and needs 5 of those to be considered
2033 [21:51:53] <zleap> what does GNU\colossus do ?
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2036 [21:52:52] <rant> zleap: asks questions in #debian about bpftrace getting into buster, it would seem :P
2037 [21:53:12] <zleap> i didn't ask that
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2039 [21:53:40] <joepublic> I watched you.
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2042 [21:54:21] <rant> joepublic: every step they take? every move they make? every single day?
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2044 [21:55:03] <joepublic> rant: no, sorry, I am a combination of need-to-work, lazy, and just distracted. But there's /msg dpkg irclog for that!
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2046 [21:55:52] <rant> joepublic: I was making a joke about the song The Police - Every Breath You Take ( replaced-url
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2048 [21:56:05] <zleap> :)
2049 [21:56:24] <joepublic> Performed by Sumner & Co. Yes.
2050 [21:56:51] <zleap> i think the Police did the first one then, with Sting
2051 [21:57:05] <joepublic> That's what I said.
2052 [21:57:25] <zleap> ok
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2054 [21:57:55] <zleap> i am off, chat later,
2055 [21:57:59] <joepublic> peace.
2056 [21:58:02] <zleap> and you
2057 [21:58:17] <zleap> i can play with buster tomorrow, hopefully :)
2058 [21:58:27] <zleap> nite
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2062 [21:58:44] <rant> Its not often you see a singer standing in front of a band singing while playing a giant acoustic bass
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2067 [22:00:38] <joepublic> depends on your habits, I suppose. People can get pretty strange.
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2071 [22:01:47] <rant> joepublic: when you're a stranger? when you're alone? when no one remembers your name? :P
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2073 [22:02:09] <joepublic> You've done this before, I see.
2074 [22:02:16] <rant> heh
2075 [22:02:28] <joepublic> You can name that tune in -5 notes.
2076 [22:03:00] <rant> I'm not the one speaking in rock songs :P
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2078 [22:05:18] <rant> though irony just got the best of me.. I tried to load a website just as my machine lost connection at 404pm :P
2079 [22:06:47] <jhutchins_wk> .
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2160 [22:58:57] <hesco> I had heard years ago that Ext4 lost its primary developer. But I see it is still offered by the debian-installer? Is ext4 a stable choice for a production machine?
2161 [22:59:38] <EdePopede> never used anything else after ext2 and ext3
2162 [22:59:47] <hesco> !ext4
2163 [22:59:47] <dpkg> ext4 (fourth extended filesystem) was introduced in Linux 2.6.28. It supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. ext4 is the default Linux filesystem since Debian 7 "Wheezy" (bug #603084). Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. ext4 is not supported by <grub legacy> (bug #511121). replaced-url
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2173 [23:07:06] <friendofafriend> Speaking of filesystem devs, Reiser is up for parole in May 2020.
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2227 [23:38:55] <jhutchins> hesco: It's still maintained and can have better performance than XFS (RH's default). There's no reason not to use it unless you need the features of another filesystem and have the capacity in bandwidth and CPU to use them.
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2231 [23:40:34] <jhutchins> hesco: There are more utilities to work with ext.
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2254 [23:53:18] <rant> I held off on it initially waiting for it to be well tested before I used it.. but I've been using ext4 without any issues for years now.. it seems even better than ext3 at recovering from sudden shutdowns and stuff
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2264 [23:59:40] <EdePopede> as i mentioned a couple of times yet i had the system regular hanging last year. it wasn't always possible to unmount before reboot. a short fsck after startup and never lost a file.
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