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99 [01:08:30] <kwriley87> Hey guys, I am trying to get Debian 9 up and running.. in doing an ip link show, I can see all 4 of my interfaces in a down state (eno1, eno2, eno3, eno4) but I am unable to get eno1 up. If I do an ifup eno1 I get an unknown interface error
100 [01:08:33] <kwriley87> Can someone please help?
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115 [01:21:19] <Sveta> kwriley87, did it work before?
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118 [01:22:06] <kwriley87> Sveta - this is a new server that just came in to my office today. I've just loaded a fresh copy of Debian 9 on it
119 [01:22:27] <kwriley87> it's strange, I have link lights on the interfaces but I can't bring up any of the interfaces
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123 [01:23:37] <Sveta> what command do you use for bringing them up?
124 [01:24:16] <kwriley87> ifup eno1
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127 [01:25:15] <Sveta> what is the output of 'ip a s'?
128 [01:25:23] <Sveta> does `ip link set dev eno1 up` work?
129 [01:25:46] <Sveta> can you pastebin your `/etc/network/interfaces` file?
130 [01:26:09] <kwriley87> sure thing one sec
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134 [01:28:58] <kwriley87> Sveta - I can't pastebin because it's on another machine but I pasteboard the outputs here for you
135 [01:29:00] <kwriley87> replaced-url
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141 [01:32:39] <kwriley87> Sveta, anything poke out to you as being incorrect?
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143 [01:33:47] <Sveta> hold on
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146 [01:34:41] <Sveta> kwriley87, what if you edit your interfaces file and rename it to say myeno1
147 [01:34:59] <Sveta> kwriley87, and then run the ifup command on that
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152 [01:36:44] <kwriley87> Sveta, hmm I renamed eno1 in /etc/network/interfaces to myeno1, restarted networking and an ip link set dev myeno1 up and got a cannot find device "myeno1" error
153 [01:37:18] <kwriley87> ifup myeno1 produces a failed to bring up myeno1 error
154 [01:37:26] <Sveta> what about `ifup myeno1`
155 [01:37:28] <Sveta> ok
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159 [01:39:51] <twb> Sveta: bnx2 --- that's a broadcom nic
160 [01:40:01] <kwriley87> does my interface config look alright? I'm not sure what the problem could be..
161 [01:40:08] <twb> It's trying to find firmware (.fw) which is presumably not installed
162 [01:40:30] <twb> some NICs (e.g. Realtek) work fine without firmware, but maybe not broadcom
163 [01:41:11] <twb> Sveta: as first step, install firmware-bnx2 ("apt download firmware-bnx2" on another computer of same Debian version & arch, then copy across by USB key or similar)
164 [01:41:42] <kwriley87> ok that should point me in the right direction, thank you!
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166 [01:42:01] <twb> Sveta: from the "ip link" output, you have 4 NICs, but they all have the same MAC prefix (14feb5), so they will all be broadcoms
167 [01:42:55] <Sveta> twb, kwriley87 is having this issue
168 [01:43:01] <Sveta> twb, thanks :)
169 [01:43:20] <twb> !bnx2
170 [01:43:20] <dpkg> bnx2 is a Linux kernel driver supporting Broadcom NetXtreme II 1Gb (BCM5706/5708/5709/5716) Ethernet controllers. Firmware from userspace is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2 package to provide. To provide firmware for device use at Debian installation time, ask me about <installer firmware>. See also <bnx2x>.
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172 [01:44:13] <kwriley87> Interesting, I've never ran into a situation where I had to install firmware on a network card that wasn't recognized by Debian. Thank you for the information!
173 [01:44:32] <twb> Broadcom is a not-nice company, I recommend avoiding them in future.
174 [01:44:42] <kwriley87> Noted for sure
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176 [01:45:09] <Tenkawa> kwriley87: I run into the situation commonly
177 [01:45:27] <twb> I can recommend (most!) Intel 100M / 1G / 10G NICs, though once I needed a firmware blob. Realtek rtl81xx also Just Work for me in single-port setups.
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179 [01:45:53] <twb> For wifi, QCA (Qualcomm/Atheros), Marvell, MediaTek are all preferable to Broadcom.
180 [01:46:00] <Tenkawa> true
181 [01:46:21] <twb> (Of those three, which is best seems to mostly be bikeshedding)
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183 [01:49:31] <Sveta> thank you, twb
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187 [01:52:50] <k-man> fwiw, you can often get multi port intel nics fairly cheaply off ebay, if you need multiple nics
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190 [01:54:03] <twb> k-man: only 4 * 1Gbit.
191 [01:54:11] <twb> 4 * 10Gbit are still pretty expensive, last time I looked
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198 [02:00:35] <k-man> yeah probably. i've never felt the need for 10Gbit yet
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201 [02:01:39] <k-man> hmmm 10gb x2 port for $70. not too bad
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203 [02:03:06] <twb> I run 10Gbit backbones for large nets
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205 [02:03:42] <twb> k-man: for your office, there's no point unless your switches also have 10G daisy-chaining ports
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214 [02:10:43] <SerajewelKS> and you have on
215 [02:10:53] <SerajewelKS> on-LAN services that can push that kind of throughput
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221 [02:15:58] <twb> Yes, granted :-)
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224 [02:16:29] <twb> There's an upper limit to how big your all-customers.xlsx will be in practice
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231 [02:20:09] <SerajewelKS> right
232 [02:20:29] <SerajewelKS> the only place we could really use 10gbit is in one specific room, between two systems in that same room. and neither have a 10gbit card anyway.
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236 [02:21:38] <twb> If you have capacity you could run a point-to-point link between them
237 [02:21:56] <SerajewelKS> i mean all we'd have to do is get two 10gbit cards and run a cat6 cable across the room
238 [02:21:57] <twb> MDI-X is mandatory in 1Gbit and higher cards
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240 [02:22:04] <twb> SerajewelKS: yeah that
241 [02:22:05] <SerajewelKS> but one is a laptop
242 [02:22:09] <twb> hahaha
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244 [02:22:40] <SerajewelKS> and the person who uses it doesn't mind that it's a bit slow. she does everything misc in the office (HR, accounts receivable, financials, etc.)
245 [02:22:53] <SerajewelKS> so if that server is being a bit slow she just does something else while she waits
246 [02:23:01] <twb> Also cat5e is probably sufficient for a short run; cat6 just means it'll work at the full length (80m solid in the walls + 10m bundle at each end)
247 [02:23:16] <SerajewelKS> she specifically said that it doesn't bother her or make her less productive
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249 [02:23:45] <karlpinc> twb: Not nearly as funny as me running a 500MHz 586 to firewall the Internet. I don't think it'll push more than 100Mbps, but that's slower than the Internet anyway so it does not matter.
250 [02:24:16] <SerajewelKS> yep, that's always a fun conversation with the tech-illiterate
251 [02:24:31] <SerajewelKS> "my router does 1gbit, why can i only get 10mbit?"
252 [02:24:41] <SerajewelKS> "can you fix it?"
253 [02:24:44] <twb> karlpinc: ours was a sparcstation until 2011
254 [02:24:56] <SerajewelKS> yes let me get my magic wand that widens the pipe to your ISP
255 [02:25:19] <twb> SerajewelKS: "if you want 1GBit to the internet, go back in time and don't vote for the Coalition"
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258 [02:25:54] <SerajewelKS> most people seem satisfied when i pull out the pipe metaphor. "if you connect your hose bib to a firehose, is the water going to come out of the firehose as fast as when it hooks up to the hydrant?" "no" "your ISP connection is the bib and your router is the firehose." "oh."
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289 [03:08:21] <twb> kwriley87: it's better to talk in-channel
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291 [03:09:39] <twb> kwriley87: your USB key now has a file like firmware-bnx2_20190114-1_all.deb on it?
292 [03:11:08] <twb> kwriley87: do you know how to mount a USB drive?
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294 [03:14:08] <twb> blkid, find the drive, mount /dev/sdz1 /mnt, then dpkg -i /mnt/firmware-bnx2-....deb
295 [03:14:09] <kwriley87> twb, apologies for not talking in channel
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297 [03:17:02] <kwriley87> awesome thank you, i believe that installed the firmware - trying to bring up the interface now..
298 [03:20:58] <kwriley87> twb, almost there.. the interface is up! for some reason an ip a s is showing my IP as a /24 even though it's configured as a class C which is strange, trying to hunt that down now
299 [03:21:46] <twb> class C *is* /24
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304 [03:22:26] <kwriley87> ah you're right, ive been at it too long today... thank you for your help :) i will figure out why I can't ping out here
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316 [03:30:25] <kwriley87> twb, thank you for your help.. I've got my link up... I'll make sure I take note of how to install missing firmware like this in the future to avoid making it a 4 hour fiasco again :)
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318 [03:31:04] <SerajewelKS> i had to do that on one of our dell servers too
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326 [03:40:45] <karlpinc> kwriley87: It can help when installing to use the unoffical installer with non-free firmware included.
327 [03:41:03] <kwriley87> where would that be located?
328 [03:41:26] <karlpinc> !firmware images
329 [03:41:27] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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331 [03:43:14] <kwriley87> that's great information, thank you!
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334 [03:44:57] <twb> My netbook's coreboot firmware includes a little linux that has just enough magic to do wpa_supplicant + wget + kexec the Debian installer.
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336 [03:45:13] <twb> It is *SO HANDY* for recovering it when I accidentally brick the onboard OS
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341 [03:47:52] <karlpinc> kwriley87: I suppose the non-free firmware installer would be good for booting into rescue mode too, should that ever be needed.
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343 [03:49:00] <twb> Debian Live used to have a Rescue image, but it was orphaned :-(
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431 [05:36:44] <galaxie> Well, I forcibly uninstalled libnss which was a post-stable package and installed it again and everything works wonderful. Phew.
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440 [05:43:00] <twb> I hope you mean libnss3
441 [05:43:24] <galaxie> Yes, that's what I meant to type.
442 [05:43:57] <twb> "NSS" is mozilla's in-house rewrite of OpenSSL, but it's also an unrelated thing that glibc uses to looking up user and host names
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445 [05:44:12] <galaxie> lol good to know
446 [05:44:20] <galaxie> Why'd they rewrite it though??
447 [05:45:01] <twb> "it's only security, how hard could it be?"
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449 [05:45:20] <twb> OpenSSL was literally someone's "my first C program"
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452 [05:46:59] <galaxie> If so, they've done a better job than I would've.
453 [05:47:01] <twb> "NSS originated from the libraries developed when Netscape invented the SSL security protocol."
454 [05:47:15] <twb> So strictly speaking NSS is the oldest TLS library, and OpenSSL (SSLeay) came later
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457 [05:47:28] <twb> galaxie: you should read opensslrampage sometime
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459 [05:47:58] <twb> replaced-url
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463 [05:49:32] <twb> My personal favourite was this commit:
464 [05:49:33] <twb> "Remove support for big-endian i386 and amd64."
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674 [08:49:34] <l9> how can i set the grub timeout=0 ?
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676 [08:50:35] <GNU\colossus> edit /etc/default/grub, then run `update-grub`
677 [08:50:39] <towo^work> write it in /etc/default/grub
678 [08:50:48] <jelly> l9, edit /etc/default/grub and run update-grub after that
679 [08:50:54] <jelly> lol
680 [08:51:01] <l9> thanks :) that worked
681 [08:51:04] <well_laid_lawn> that's not recommended, if there is an error you need time to select a different kernel to boot
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683 [08:51:32] <GNU\colossus> this. is. debian. there are no errors!!1!
684 [08:51:33] <GNU\colossus> ;)
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686 [08:51:45] <jelly> no, no
687 [08:51:45] <l9> non at all never seen one :P
688 [08:52:01] <jelly> this. is. debian. All errors are fixable!!1one
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691 [08:52:18] <jelly> (without reinstallation)
692 [08:52:37] <GNU\colossus> "just do a clean install, dude" *vapes*
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696 [08:53:10] <l9> jelly: yeah i kinda agree, but it might involve a hardware change and a few nights pondering over why it happens
697 [08:53:22] <iovec> is shim-signed currently only supported with grub (and not systemd-boot)?
698 [08:53:55] <jelly> iovec, you probably want to ask that in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org)
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700 [08:54:07] <iovec> oh right
701 [08:54:54] <jelly> but at some point during the freeze I guess we'll have to start answering buster questions in here as well
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703 [08:56:47] <l9> buster is should be answered in here ... :/
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705 [08:57:08] <l9> in my opinion
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710 [08:57:46] <jelly> l9, you're free to answer things about buster if you know them.
711 [08:58:17] <l9> jelly: i know nothing.
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715 [08:59:08] <jelly> that's the approximate value of the related opinion then, eh
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724 [09:02:26] <l9> well true in some sense, but one of the reason why i am not so mmuch around any more is becuase it has become hard to find updated good answers on any of the branches. take the grub timeout should be simple to find, but the only answers i am getting is from ubuntu forums and the only answer i could find was dated 2014 that is 4 years ago
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726 [09:03:31] <l9> replaced-url
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736 [09:10:13] <pingfloyd> l9: next time go to the horse's mouth replaced-url
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740 [09:12:34] <l9> pingfloyd: thanks :)
741 [09:13:09] <pingfloyd> no problem
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744 [09:13:58] <twb> Personally, I find refind to be a million squillion times less grief-ful than grub2
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747 [09:14:08] <pingfloyd> often when you're trying to figure something out, it helps to start with the originators
748 [09:14:18] <twb> Although I haven't fought signed booting with it
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772 [09:30:14] <SerajewelKS> is there a proper way to temporarily freeze a mounted ext4 filesystem prior to taking an LVM snapshot so that the snapshot is clean, or is good enough to let the journal clean up the mess?
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777 [09:32:03] <twb> SerajewelKS: if it is not the root filesystem, just don't mount it?
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779 [09:32:27] <SerajewelKS> whether it's the root has little to do with it; rather, the volume is in use by active services
780 [09:32:41] <twb> SerajewelKS: for forensic purposes you can instruct the kernel not to write to the disk even for updating things like "last mount time". I forget how, but Debian Live has the mojo inside it.
781 [09:32:49] <twb> SerajewelKS: ohhh
782 [09:32:53] <SerajewelKS> and downtime is not acceptable. i was looking at fsfreeze.
783 [09:32:54] <twb> SerajewelKS: sorry, I misread that this was at boot time
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785 [09:33:26] <twb> SerajewelKS: what I do is just snapshot it as-is, e2fsck it, and if e2fscks' exit code indicates no major problems, proceed to use the snapshot
786 [09:33:28] <SerajewelKS> fsfreeze indicates that LVM should freeze the underlying fs automatically when creating a snapshot so that the created image is clean. however, in my experience, snapshots are always dirty and require journal recovery.
787 [09:33:41] <twb> SerajewelKS: this is "good enough" for office docs, but not for things like SQL databases
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790 [09:33:57] <SerajewelKS> funny you mention databases
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792 [09:34:02] <jelly> SerajewelKS, vmware-tools / open-vm-tools have a "quiesce I/O" feature but I have no idea what it does
793 [09:34:24] <twb> For SQL databases my answer is "I don't care if the database is in flight, because the database should have periodic dumps, and THOSE are quiescent when the snapshot is made"
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795 [09:35:07] <SerajewelKS> one of the things being backed up is mariadb. our backup procedure is to snapshot the volumes, mount them to set up a chroot, run an alternate mariadb in the chroot, and dump the db in there. which avoids exclusive locks.
796 [09:35:15] <jelly> SerajewelKS, but really how is the result of just making a snapshot any different from a power loss situation, considering the fs state?
797 [09:35:24] <SerajewelKS> so far we've not had it fail. the ext4 journal recovers and then mariadb recovers its own journal.
798 [09:35:27] <twb> SerajewelKS: maria can't just do a dump as another transaction?
799 [09:35:35] <SerajewelKS> twb: not against myisam tables
800 [09:35:36] <twb> SerajewelKS: on the prod instance, I mean
801 [09:35:51] <twb> is myisam the horrible old one?
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803 [09:36:13] <SerajewelKS> it's the one with better read performance and fewer arbitrary limits on key length ;)
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805 [09:36:25] <twb> I'm a pg weenie, so all I remember is that, for like 10 years, MySQL had sensible defaults on Windows and stupid lossy defaults on Unix
806 [09:36:43] <SerajewelKS> i'd prefer pg as well, but choices made before i was here, etc.
807 [09:36:46] <twb> Looks like MyISAM stopped being the default in 2009
808 [09:37:04] <SerajewelKS> well that's after this db was created so...
809 [09:37:29] <twb> innodb is the "good" one, where "good" is slow-and-right beats fast-and-wrong :-)
810 [09:37:29] <jelly> myisam is the horrible fast one.
811 [09:37:35] <SerajewelKS> i tried converting the tables to innodb and that went about all the possible kinds of catastrophically wrong that it could. thankfully i was doing it on a scratch server as a test.
812 [09:37:55] <twb> So yeah I feel sorry for you, but not enough to care about fixing it :-)
813 [09:38:06] <SerajewelKS> mariadb at least has a "sync everything and stop writing" command
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817 [09:38:18] <SerajewelKS> so theoretically i can take the LVM snapshot after executing that
818 [09:38:35] <SerajewelKS> so we block the DB just long enough to get the snapshot
819 [09:39:02] <twb> that sounds like the db equivalent of an fs write barrier
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822 [09:39:22] <jelly> filesystems are just databases for files.
823 [09:39:22] <SerajewelKS> it basically takes an exclusive lock on everything and flushes all write buffers
824 [09:39:53] <twb> One time I had dpkg -i issuing write barriers and collectd issuing lots of writes, and the whole system fell over because the kernel couldn't cohere the collectd writes anymore
825 [09:40:15] <SerajewelKS> but, that still doesn't address my question about taking snapshots of a mounted fs. fsfreeze indicates that LVM should freeze the fs automatically to create a clean snapshot but this is not what i observe.
826 [09:40:24] <SerajewelKS> unless i'm misunderstanding what fsfreeze does.
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828 [09:41:06] <twb> I'm not familiar with fsfreeze
829 [09:41:30] <SerajewelKS> it's in util-linux so i guess it's a pretty standard utility
830 [09:41:35] <twb> It appears to be from util-linux, so probably it's just a shim around some linux syscalls
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832 [09:41:44] <jelly> twb, that sounds fun. Similar to "don't resize2fs while under heavy write io", but it's just resize2fs that hangs completely
833 [09:41:59] <SerajewelKS> "fsfreeze halts any new access to the filesystem and creates a stable image on disk." -- good so far. "fsfreeze is unnecessary for device-mapper devices. The device-mapper (and LVM) automatically freezes a filesystem on the device when a snapshot creation is requested." -- not what i observe
834 [09:42:09] <twb> jelly: FYI the way I fixed it was to tell collectd to buffer itself in RAM instead of assuming the kernel would handle it
835 [09:42:55] <twb> jelly: and to not write out every RRD at exactly the same time, but to randomize them a little --- like back when we had to insert a random delay to hard disk startup to avoid killing the power supply
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837 [09:43:16] <jelly> twb, our NOC people used to have all kinds of trouble with random IO to thousands of rrd files (very old school)
838 [09:43:37] <twb> jelly: are they using collectd, graphite, or what?
839 [09:43:49] <jelly> custom collectors.
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841 [09:44:08] <twb> yes obviously but those usually feed into middleware that does the actual writing
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843 [09:44:31] <jelly> hahaha. "Obviously"
844 [09:44:38] <twb> SerajewelKS: are you 100% sure that when lvcreate --snapshot happens, mariadb hasn't got some of itself still floating in RAM instead of pushed to disk?
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846 [09:45:01] <twb> SerajewelKS: I don't know how to articulate that properly :-P
847 [09:45:03] <SerajewelKS> oh i think i see the difference. fsfreeze may freeze the filesystem in a state where files may be mid-unlink. mounting the filesystem results in orphaned inodes being cleaned up. so that's consistent. maybe fsfreeze is happening after all.
848 [09:45:16] <jelly> twb, what middleware. 30k rrd files on disk, written to by half a dozen mostly perl forkers.
849 [09:45:27] <twb> jelly: haha
850 [09:45:33] <twb> jelly: so munin-era yukky
851 [09:45:52] <jelly> twb, no, this is from before munin.
852 [09:45:52] <SerajewelKS> twb: that _should_ not matter as long as the snapshot is atomic (analogous to a power cut) since mariadb/mysql use either a rollback journal or a WAL for writes
853 [09:46:02] <jelly> twb, google "cricket"
854 [09:46:10] <twb> jelly: if those people are still alive and sane, point them at graphite
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856 [09:46:16] <SerajewelKS> twb: so starting mariadb against the datadir results in a similar process as extN replaying the journal
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859 [09:46:26] <twb> SerajewelKS: re WAL, that makes sense
860 [09:46:54] <SerajewelKS> twb: the concern with myisam AIUI is less the integrity of the database data structures and more your own data integrity since you don't have transactions
861 [09:46:55] <twb> SerajewelKS: another obvious question: is all of this on *ONE* ext4?
862 [09:47:07] <jelly> SerajewelKS, for innodb engine yes. myisam are just hash structures on disk.
863 [09:47:08] <SerajewelKS> twb: e.g. the DB won't fuck it up but your code might
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866 [09:47:55] <SerajewelKS> twb: erm, somewhat. each application is, yes. e.g. mariadb's datadir is on a single volume. other stuff might be on other volumes.
867 [09:48:02] <SerajewelKS> no application has stuff on two volumes
868 [09:48:41] <SerajewelKS> jelly: even so, isn't there some recovery mechanism for myisam? seems unlikely that it wouldn't have been patched to be able to deal with a power cut many years ago.
869 [09:49:04] <jelly> SerajewelKS, recovery process is "casual inspection of metadata on start"
870 [09:49:08] <twb> When I said that to XFS people, they just stared at me and said "buy a f*cking UPS"
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872 [09:49:34] <SerajewelKS> jelly: neat. so the "write your buffers and stop doing shit" command is probably not that optional.
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875 [09:49:43] <jelly> twb, they're fuckin idjeets who do not realize UPS die and sometimes datacenters lose power
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877 [09:50:17] <twb> jelly: IIRC my XFS data loss was caused by koopses, so no actual power loss at all, but hard reboots were needed
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879 [09:50:33] <jelly> SerajewelKS, eeh. if you have data you rely on, don't put it in myisam. If you can afford to lose a couple dozen rows every now and then, go ahead
880 [09:50:38] <twb> At which point fsck.xfs was like "I guess I could fix these files, but it's easier to just zero them"
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882 [09:50:57] <SerajewelKS> jelly: due to retarded key length limits in innodb, there isn't really a choice
883 [09:51:01] <jelly> twb, a lesson is learned
884 [09:51:34] <jelly> SerajewelKS, did you look at mariadb or percona for key length updates?
885 [09:51:34] <twb> SerajewelKS: do you mean something like the PK can be at most 32 columns?
886 [09:51:39] <SerajewelKS> jelly: yes
887 [09:51:46] <SerajewelKS> twb: no, the actual byte size
888 [09:52:16] <SerajewelKS> i can't remember the exact issue, it was months ago that i tried this
889 [09:52:30] <SerajewelKS> but i can tell you i sunk four hours into it and came away exceedingly frustrated with innodb
890 [09:52:48] <twb> jelly: did you know pg 9's regular expressions give preferential treatment to Polish language over Hebrew language? :-)
891 [09:53:13] <SerajewelKS> all of the research i did on the problem led to the same conclusion: that table can't be converted to innodb unless redesigned.
892 [09:53:13] <jelly> twb, I'm okay with that. We use the same encoding as the Poles.
893 [09:53:29] <jelly> ^_^
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895 [09:53:38] <twb> jelly: specifically, [[:alpha:]] &c were initially limited to the ASCII, and one of the devs extended it slightly to cover some of the ISO-8859-x's. Supporting all of Unicode had too big of a performance hit.
896 [09:53:47] <twb> It's fixed in pg 10, though
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898 [09:54:00] <twb> Confused my unit tests A LOT though
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902 [09:55:33] <jelly> SerajewelKS, and at that point you might as well switch to Pg!
903 [09:55:41] <SerajewelKS> jelly: indeed
904 [09:55:49] <twb> Or LMDB!
905 [09:56:01] <SerajewelKS> it's a big enough effort getting this beast from php 5.3 to 7.anything
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907 [09:56:21] <jelly> my favorite dns vendor is implementing a lmdb backend. I'm not sure whether to be excited or scared
908 [09:56:35] <twb> knot and isc seem to use it already
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910 [09:56:50] <twb> What I want is sqlite3+lmdb to be mainline
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914 [09:59:22] <SerajewelKS> we're on php 5.3 and apache 2.2, if that gives you a window into the kind of labor i'll be undertaking
915 [09:59:44] <SerajewelKS> i only recently got us off of mysql 5.0
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991 [10:40:54] <petn-randall> budder: You can choose whatever DE you want, defaults are irrelevant.
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993 [10:41:57] <becks`> hi, I have jessie and added "jessie-backports" to sources.list in order to install libnginx-mod-http-headers-more-filter, but now I'm getting this.. how can I fix it? replaced-url
994 [10:42:29] <jelly> dpkg, tell becks` about basic apt troubleshooting
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1001 [10:44:13] <jelly> becks`: what was the exact command line used? You may have forgotten to add -t jessie-backports option to apt/apt-get/aptitude. Read replaced-url
1002 [10:44:58] <becks`> Thanks a lot jelly, this worked! =)
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1013 [10:47:58] <budder> petn-randall: i know. but in the past the default has always been gnome in my experience. now for the first time it is xfce. i am just wondering if this was a recent change
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1017 [10:50:35] <jelly> budder: which iso image did you install from?
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1022 [10:52:16] <jelly> an iso with -xfce- in the name is going to install xfce by default
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1024 [10:53:04] <jelly> and apparently 9.7 CD folder does _not_ have any gnome-carrying image replaced-url
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1026 [10:53:42] <budder> jelly: okay got it, thanks. i didn't know they changed the default to xfce now
1027 [10:53:56] <PaddyF> i bought all debian 9 dvds and thought its a bit more social to use jigdo for updates. but from 9.4 to 9.6 it downloaded almost the entire dvds and it took a lot of time. is that typical for jigdo?
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1030 [10:55:25] <jelly> budder: it's possible gnome just does not fit onto a single CD any more
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1032 [10:55:48] <jelly> and it's possible gnome is still the default DE for non-xfce images.
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1037 [10:57:36] <nr9032nsc6> Hi
1038 [10:57:50] <nr9032nsc6> I have a home router with a public IP that changes every few days
1039 [10:58:03] <nr9032nsc6> My Linux computer is connected to it
1040 [10:59:04] <nr9032nsc6> I have a domain name, can I dynamically link my home router to this domain name, or do I need to run a script on this Linux/debian computer?
1041 [11:00:08] <jelly> nr9032nsc6: see if your registrar or dns provider has a dyndns / ddns API
1042 [11:00:26] <KjetilK> nr9032nsc6: it is not possible to say on a general basis, but there are many home routers on the market that can be configured with a ddns
1043 [11:01:00] <KjetilK> if it has an admin interface, you could look through that and see what you find
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1048 [11:02:16] <nr9032nsc6> KjetilK: indeed my home router has a list of DynDNS providers (NoIP, etc.)
1049 [11:02:36] <ksk> PaddyF: jigdo is some peer-2-peer method to get package (updates)? I dont think really anyone uses these. Id say you can go with one of the many http-mirrors without bad feelings - if you only have social reasons ;)
1050 [11:02:40] <KjetilK> nr9032nsc6: great, then yes, you should be able to use it
1051 [11:02:50] <KjetilK> I'm using NoIP, works great for me
1052 [11:03:07] <nr9032nsc6> but I wondered if I can do it without any 3rd party provider, and only my domain (example: mydomain.fr) and my debian
1053 [11:03:23] <KjetilK> right
1054 [11:03:24] <ksk> nr9032nsc6: only if your domain registrar supports it.
1055 [11:03:26] <PaddyF> ksk: hehe, okay :)
1056 [11:03:51] * KjetilK points at ksk and nods
1057 [11:04:01] <nr9032nsc6> ksk: I'll ask them, their support is pretty good. What's the name of the service I should ask them?
1058 [11:04:12] <KjetilK> dyndns
1059 [11:04:19] <ksk> PaddyF: most of the mirrors are either provided by companies or by individuals who can afford the traffic, so I dont think you will be hurting anyone.
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1061 [11:04:36] <KjetilK> I just use NoIP for registrar and everything :-)
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1064 [11:05:48] <nr9032nsc6> KjetilK: Ok i'll ask them if they have a "DynDNS API"? right?
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1066 [11:06:51] <jelly> right
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1068 [11:07:19] <KjetilK> nr9032nsc6: yup
1069 [11:07:26] <jelly> or google it. Or browse your dns settings over there.
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1072 [11:08:59] <PaddyF> maybe i should create a "retro debian" group
1073 [11:10:12] <PaddyF> next to jigdo i need to burry adriane and festival as it seems
1074 [11:10:49] <jelly> debian is retro by default
1075 [11:10:52] * jelly hides
1076 [11:10:55] <PaddyF> :D
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1274 [12:41:27] <ksk> yo. are there tools to make services available on $all ports? (like, for pentesting or so?) - I could probably spawn one netcat per port, are there better options?
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1280 [12:45:10] <avu> you could use iptables with the multiport extension to redirect all incoming connections to a single port but I know of no tool that opens ~65k listening sockets for you
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1282 [12:45:49] <ksk> that sounds reasonable, thanks.
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1284 [12:46:21] <ksk> best exclude some ports beforhand though :D
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1286 [12:46:37] <Bodiro> Hi! Just read a few articles, but still undecided: snap or flatpak - which one suites Debian better?
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1290 [12:47:37] <darxmurf> hi
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1292 [12:47:47] <petn-randall> !tell Bodiro -about crosspost
1293 [12:48:00] <ksk> From a Debian view of things you will use debian packages. Not sure if any of the flat/snap (are there others?) are recommended, I heard bad things..
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1297 [12:49:15] <Bodiro> ksk: Sure, deb-packages are first choice, no doubt. But if I want a special program (-version), should I in Debian use flatpak or better snap?
1298 [12:49:47] <ksk> there is a reason debian does not have bleeding edge software. If you then get your recent whatever-app via snap you live with the shortcomings of the used system. for example your flat might be based on really outdated software XY with known exploits. you will then use that until $flat-package-maintainer chooses to update his package
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1301 [12:50:49] <ksk> from what these things promise to give you it should kind of make no difference which you use, they bot are "out of tree" when it comes to debian.
1302 [12:50:56] <ksk> Id go with your prefered system then..
1303 [12:51:23] <petn-randall> and now we've got the same discussion on two channels ...
1304 [12:51:29] <Bodiro> ksk: ok, thx for your opinion
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1306 [12:52:07] <ksk> imho they are PPAs in bad (and the quality of PPAs is not good)
1307 [12:52:24] <darxmurf> What are you using to backup windows client from linux backup server ? not an imaging tool, only to backup folders
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1310 [12:53:17] <Bodiro> petn-randall: Sorry for crosposting - wasn't aware the mess :-(
1311 [12:53:55] <ksk> darxmurf: thats rather a windows guestion ;) Id google for "windows backup client" in combination with your backend (might it be NFS, SAMBA, or whatnot)
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1314 [12:55:26] <darxmurf> Well, for me it's more a linux question as you can find plenty of stuffs on the web about windows clients but I would like info from ppl who are using those stuffs for real :-)
1315 [12:55:50] <darxmurf> I have bareos configured for the moment but since the update of this morning, I can't connect the web console ^^
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1333 [13:04:42] <xand> darxmurf: duplicati
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1337 [13:05:28] <darxmurf> this could be a good idea then yep !
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1406 [13:48:23] <fling> What is the latest cura version packaged?
1407 [13:48:26] <fling> Backports?
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1414 [13:51:04] <towo^work> i don't find any package "cura"
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1427 [13:54:55] <jelly> fling: do you have an exact package name maybe?
1428 [13:56:11] <fling> ^cura$
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1432 [13:57:04] <jelly> ,v cura
1433 [13:57:05] <judd> Package: cura on amd64 -- buster: 3.3.1-2; sid: 3.3.1-2
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1442 [13:58:30] <jelly> ,i cura
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1444 [13:58:31] <judd> No package named 'cura' was found in stretch/amd64.
1445 [13:58:36] <jelly> ,i cura --release sid
1446 [13:58:38] <judd> Package cura (misc, optional) in sid/amd64: GUI G-code generator for 3D printers. Version: 3.3.1-2; Size: 9203.3k; Installed: 54577k; Homepage: replaced-url
1447 [13:58:55] <jelly> no backports.
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1469 [14:19:42] <strixdio> omg...
1470 [14:19:51] <strixdio> idk if it's a chromium thing or a debian thing...
1471 [14:20:20] <strixdio> every fresh debian install, install chromium, and nothing but login issues.
1472 [14:20:32] <cryptodan> what kind of login issues
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1474 [14:21:14] <jim> strixdio, also which version of debian are you freshly installing?
1475 [14:22:05] <cryptodan> website login issues, system login issues, using su and sudo as well as pkexec issues?
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1477 [14:22:11] <strixdio> log in to chromium (sync) and it pulls all my extensions as expected. beyond that it goes to crap lol. lastpass: log in and many times it says that there's an issue logging in okay, maybe lastpass issue? well.... log in to amazon, type something in search, next page I'm logged out of amazon. log in again.. do something else, logged out.
1478 [14:22:48] <joepublic> sounds like many kinds of login issues. that must be frustrating.
1479 [14:22:52] <recj> hi, I'm trying to install this package replaced-url
1480 [14:22:53] <strixdio> lastpass I had checked "remember this computer for 30 days" after I reboot my system, I have to re-log into lastpass
1481 [14:23:21] <jim> strixdio, howbout logging into debian itself?
1482 [14:23:26] <cryptodan> strixdio: try from a new system profile if you have a separate /home that you use at each install
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1484 [14:23:53] <strixdio> logging into debian is fine
1485 [14:24:01] <strixdio> lightdm comes up, logs me in perfectly.
1486 [14:24:10] <strixdio> I can log in*
1487 [14:24:10] <jim> ok, at least that part works :)
1488 [14:24:12] <strixdio> hehe yeah
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1491 [14:24:46] <strixdio> I don't like installing things like chromium on my gentoo installs, but I am really curious if things are different (assuming they're the same version)
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1493 [14:25:19] <strixdio> maybe I'll try a fedora install, compare versions, compare performance... narrow down the issue to distro or package
1494 [14:25:24] <jim> can you give a specific example of something you use chrome to log into?
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1496 [14:25:33] <joepublic> emerge large-program (wait 2 days) recipe failed
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1498 [14:25:46] <strixdio> amazon, lastpass, discord, telegram
1499 [14:26:05] <strixdio> haha joepublic well, that's partly why I won't install it hahaha
1500 [14:26:11] <cryptodan> strixdio: create a new user on the system
1501 [14:26:33] <jim> maybe it's something about it being a fresh install that's slowing you down from logging in?
1502 [14:26:53] <cryptodan> then use chromium there to determine if its a system wide issue or just an issue with your existing user on the system
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1504 [14:27:35] <jim> do you have the old /home still, the one where those logins worked?
1505 [14:27:43] <cryptodan> new user would crearte a new profile clean of chromium cookies and other chromium saved attributes that could be causing your login / logout issues
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1507 [14:28:02] <strixdio> jim: no, I don't keep my /home ever
1508 [14:28:18] <jim> do you ever want to?
1509 [14:28:20] <strixdio> nope.
1510 [14:28:29] <joepublic> I have backups of /home spanning years. Not sure why.
1511 [14:28:31] <strixdio> I live a very segregated life lol
1512 [14:28:44] <strixdio> segmented*
1513 [14:28:51] <strixdio> accidental racist
1514 [14:28:56] <strixdio> :/
1515 [14:29:08] <jim> hmm, aren't snakes segmented?
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1518 [14:29:30] <strixdio> posssssssibly
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1520 [14:29:46] <jim> or caterpillars :)
1521 [14:30:07] <strixdio> hmm
1522 [14:30:33] <strixdio> well, knowing that this has been on multiple fresh installs, all new users, never carrying over a /home, think it's still worth creating a new profile?
1523 [14:31:00] <jim> but seriously, a lot of folks keep their /home because it's got all their old programs they were working on, and other such personal files
1524 [14:31:14] <strixdio> I keep those in other places.
1525 [14:31:35] <joepublic> I personally think creating a new profile could easily reveal an unsuspected configuration snafu that your user accounts tend to get that the new account won't have. but you must do what you feel is right, of course.
1526 [14:31:39] <jim> oh ok
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1528 [14:32:03] <cryptodan> strixdio: in that case then know, then i would recommend trying to install chrome from replaced-url
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1567 [14:55:59] <strixdio> yeah, google-chrome looks like it works fine.
1568 [14:56:01] <strixdio> so far
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1570 [14:56:42] <strixdio> I guess I'll just use that for now. I'm not the biggest fan of chrome vs chromium but eh, it works.
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1586 [15:02:14] <strixdio> Thanks for the help :)
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1598 [15:09:42] <tangorri> hi
1599 [15:09:58] <tangorri> I try to kill a process but it immediatly respawn ...
1600 [15:10:19] <greycat> What process, and who is respawning it?
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1602 [15:11:18] <tangorri> dunno what make it respawn (even after reboot), it a dietpi-software process (friendly debian distro for raspberry)
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1605 [15:12:29] <greycat> Use ps to find the parent process ID, then see what the parent process is.
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1608 [15:12:36] <tangorri> when I logon I see some message about missing sudo (no permission) like something is setup at boot time but have no idea how to disable it
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1613 [15:13:07] <greycat> Ask your OS channel, or actually read the error message and see what it wants.
1614 [15:13:11] <tangorri> greycat, I tried all the kill -9 pid (after ps aex | grep Diet)
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1616 [15:13:16] <tangorri> no chennel
1617 [15:13:37] <greycat> !kill -9
1618 [15:13:38] * dpkg subjects -9 to excruciating pain with a Knoppix CD
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1620 [15:13:48] <greycat> !listkeys -9
1621 [15:13:49] <dpkg> Factoid search of '-9' by key (10): cmd: pciid ([0-9]*?) #DEL# ;; cmd: pciid .*?[[]([0-9a-f:]+).* #DEL# ;; _default kill-9 ;; hvr-950 ;; kill-9 ;; cmd: pciid [[]([0-9]*?)[]] #DEL# ;; nvidia dkms-96xx wheezy ;; nvidia dkms-96xx squeeze ;; #debian kill-9 ;; cmd: pciid .*?[([0-9a-f:]+)\].* #DEL#.
1622 [15:13:55] <greycat> !kill-9
1623 [15:13:55] <dpkg> Do not use kill -9 unless you have to, because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files, closing sockets, informing its children about its death and other nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2 <PID>" instead. If you didn't write the code, you probably don't want to use kill -9.
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1626 [15:14:37] <tangorri> greycat, how can I get the parent process id ?
1627 [15:14:43] <greycat> man ps
1628 [15:14:50] <tangorri> ok have a nice day
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1635 [15:20:00] <joepublic> Maybe the parent pid is "1"
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1637 [15:20:35] <greycat> We'll never know.
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1643 [15:25:38] <PaddyF> what can i do when the creation of the revocation key in kpgp fails and no error details are available?
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1651 [15:31:47] <LtL> PaddyF: i have personally never heard of a 'revocation key.' you simply revoke an existing key.
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1654 [15:34:07] <nosklo> Hi guys! I need help upgrading an old debian 6 system in a planned downtime of 6h max.... Is it even possible?
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1657 [15:35:20] <SwedeMike> nosklo: you want to bring it to debian 9? Does this system have SSDs or HDDs?
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1659 [15:35:53] <SwedeMike> nosklo: does it have a lot of packages installed or is this more of a base system?
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1661 [15:35:57] <nosklo> It is a virtual machine, but for political reasons I would like to upgrade it from inside
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1663 [15:36:32] <nosklo> It has only server packages. Some python and php web applications, apache and some specific network configuration
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1666 [15:36:56] <nosklo> I don't have access to the host
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1668 [15:37:07] <SwedeMike> nosklo: it doesn't sound impossible to make 6->7->8->9 in 6 hours. It'll all depend on disk I/O speed basically.
1669 [15:37:13] <nosklo> But I have root in the debian 6 guest
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1672 [15:37:36] <nosklo> I could make multiple 6h sessions, as long as I make everything work in between
1673 [15:37:42] <greycat> it'll also depend on how quickly you can make changes to apache and php setups
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1675 [15:38:04] <SwedeMike> nosklo: I did 7->8->9 2-3 hours on one machine with HDDs, but it didn't have much installed on it.
1676 [15:38:10] <nosklo> How should I do it? I just point to some debian 7 archive and dist upgrade?
1677 [15:38:14] <greycat> some of those upgrades will require manual editing of apache configs, and I don't even know what for php
1678 [15:38:30] <greycat> nosklo: read the release notes for each upgrade individually
1679 [15:38:34] <SwedeMike> nosklo: replaced-url
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1682 [15:38:54] <luna> stopped running OMV at work today
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1685 [15:39:15] <shtrb> nosklo, php 5 had changed syntax for some functions it might need a dev on standby
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1687 [15:40:19] <nosklo> I'm reading SwedeMike link
1688 [15:40:25] <greycat> you can clone the VM and "practice" with it in advance
1689 [15:40:38] <nosklo> Without host access?
1690 [15:40:56] <nosklo> Clone it from inside?
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1692 [15:41:23] <shtrb> As greycat had said, you could also ease the pain by setting up a apt-cache to avoid redownloading everything (if you are going to do the same job twice)
1693 [15:41:53] <greycat> I didn't say that, but OK.
1694 [15:42:45] <shtrb> I meant to say in addition to what greycat have said, you could also ...
1695 [15:42:51] <shtrb> sorry !
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1711 [15:51:23] <SwedeMike> nosklo: when I did this, I made a copy and did a practice run first on a separate machine.
1712 [15:51:57] <SwedeMike> nosklo: so I encourage you to do that so you can discover any problems. Also if this is a VM, check if you can snapshot it before starting the work so you can go back to where it was before you started changing things.
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1714 [15:52:42] <greycat> He seems to be saying that he *has* no access to the VM as a VM, for unstated reasons.
1715 [15:52:51] <nosklo> SwedeMike: unfortunately I only have root ssh access
1716 [15:53:14] <nosklo> If I can clone it from inside, this could work
1717 [15:53:20] <nosklo> I can create a local vm and transfer data
1718 [15:53:21] <SwedeMike> nosklo: ok, that's unfortunate. Well, you can still make a backup of it anyhow to a different place and play with it there.
1719 [15:53:47] <SwedeMike> nosklo: I dd:ed the drives over network to a separate place, then ran rsync to get anything that wasn't correct.
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1721 [15:54:10] <nosklo> That's a good idea
1722 [15:54:14] <SwedeMike> nosklo: basically dd the drives (binary copy), run fsck, then perform rsync to make sure everything was transferred correctly.
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1726 [15:54:52] <nosklo> I will try this. Report back in a few days(?)
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1729 [15:56:17] <PaddyF> to a better understanding - i need to add my openpg finger print to register via email for an account on a website. does that mean just copy the finger print from my generated key into the mail? or attach it to the fail or something else?
1730 [15:56:29] <nosklo> Hm, what if I could do the opposite? Install a debian 9 system then inject it in the running VM somehow? :D
1731 [15:57:17] <PaddyF> to the fail, i mean to the mail
1732 [15:57:49] <karlpinc> PaddyF: Your question is all about what "the website" wants. We don't know.
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1735 [15:58:11] <PaddyF> try to focus on the finger print part then
1736 [15:58:38] <greycat> well, we have no idea what it wants; try asking it
1737 [15:59:11] <xand> PaddyF: you probably need to configure your email client to use gpg
1738 [15:59:11] <PaddyF> okay, i keep trying on my own then. thanks
1739 [15:59:19] <xand> PaddyF: e.g. use engimail in thunderbird
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1741 [15:59:41] <xand> that's how you'd normally use those things together, not sure about that website!
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1744 [16:00:37] <joepublic> +1 "Try to focus on the part you know something about"
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1751 [16:06:59] <pagetelegram> Good morning; got very discouraged when I looked up how to start scripts at load time and got very discouraged with the work invovled to do simple stuff. I have three simple two line scripts that mount a drive, change screen for overscan issues and shut off power management. What's the quickest way to auto load for a specific user?
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1754 [16:07:49] <pagetelegram> with init.d this stuff was a piece of cake
1755 [16:08:06] <greycat> "load" is not a recognized word in this context. You either run something at BOOT time (as root, or as any user), or at LOGIN time (as the user who logged in).
1756 [16:08:18] <greycat> init.d implies you were doing something at BOOT time
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1758 [16:08:31] <greycat> but your question includes the phrase "for a specific user", which implies otherwise
1759 [16:08:34] <greycat> it's all very confusing
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1761 [16:09:01] <pagetelegram> I want to execute three scripts for a specific user and load time.
1762 [16:09:07] <greycat> *plonk*
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1764 [16:09:08] <pagetelegram> *and = at
1765 [16:09:17] <greycat> Literally the FIRST thing I said.
1766 [16:09:27] <karlpinc> pagetelegram: Great. Now tell us what "load time" is.
1767 [16:09:35] <pagetelegram> boot time
1768 [16:09:48] <joepublic> so, for any user, then
1769 [16:10:04] <joepublic> doesn't get much simpler than /etc/rc.local
1770 [16:10:21] <pagetelegram> Oh that's what I was hoping. That is still there for systemd setups?
1771 [16:10:26] <karlpinc> pagetelegram: You want them to _run_ as a specific user?
1772 [16:10:32] <pagetelegram> yes
1773 [16:10:35] <joepublic> yes. there is a systemd service that runs /etc/rc.local at boot time.
1774 [16:10:38] <Ingvix> hey, where could I get a list of default packages that buster installer would install mirrors enabled? I had to install it without mirrors because of some sort of bug with british dictionary or something like that and after that it seemed to fail every operation.
1775 [16:10:48] <pagetelegram> thanks
1776 [16:10:59] <greycat> !debian-next
1777 [16:11:00] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1778 [16:11:00] <karlpinc> pagetelegram: Run them with "su" in rc.local.
1779 [16:11:06] <Ingvix> oh, right, sorry
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1782 [16:11:20] <greycat> Better would be to install setpriv and use that instead of su.
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1784 [16:11:43] <pagetelegram> setpriv hmmm....I'll look into that. Thanks
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1787 [16:12:57] <Ingvix> well, it's invite only channel. And I don't think the answer would be that much different between stretch and buster...
1788 [16:13:03] <greycat> *plonk*
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1792 [16:13:18] <PaddyF> xand: thanks, things go very easy with enigmail
1793 [16:13:57] <Ingvix> oh
1794 [16:14:00] <pagetelegram> rc.local is a new file off /etc will it see it and run the scripts specified at boot time?
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1806 [16:21:42] <EdePopede> pagetelegram: "there is a systemd service that runs /etc/rc.local at boot time." sounds so, yes
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1813 [16:23:15] <pagetelegram> Does it run the rc.local after X11 loads? I'm also doing some randr argumnent for overscan issue.
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1819 [16:24:12] <EdePopede> what's the future of this file anyway? i think i've read something here about it being deprecated now as having been a patchy solution anyway all the time
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1822 [16:24:51] <greycat> I can't imagine it being taken completely away.
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1824 [16:25:17] <EdePopede> pagetelegram: TIAS. you could run ps at the start of the file and redirect the output to see the current situation
1825 [16:25:36] <greycat> If the rc-local unit is ever removed, you could always just copy it from a stretch system into your future system's /etc/systemd/system/ and voila.
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1828 [16:27:58] <EdePopede> ah, found this one replaced-url
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1830 [16:28:24] <EdePopede> and again one of these "duplication!!!" entries -.-
1831 [16:28:32] <greycat> And yet, there is an elegant simplicity to it that people ARE going to embrace.
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1834 [16:28:56] <EdePopede> "elegant simplicity", that's the point
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1836 [16:29:09] <greycat> "I just want to run this one damned shell command at boot time" is better served by rc.local than by setting up an entire systemd unit just to run one stupid command.
1837 [16:29:18] <dArF1k> hi everyone
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1844 [16:32:34] <EdePopede> hi dArF1k. system up and running?
1845 [16:32:54] <EdePopede> perhaps i really should reboot, only this would kill my uptime :/
1846 [16:33:13] <Haohmaru> noooooo, teh precioussss
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1849 [16:34:55] <EdePopede> Haohmaru: i hab so many system hangs over the last year, that's just like finally having enough to eat after spending month somewhere in the wild
1850 [16:35:11] <dArF1k> I see strange behavior on my debian machines. I have eth0 and ppp0 interface, I use dnsmasq to assign static ip on eth0 and provide DHCP service. Then I do maquarade to provide internet access to clients connected to eth via ppp0 … all works great for day, two, sometimes for weeks. Then client on eth0 looses connection to internet. iptraf shows it sends packets on eth0 and they are somehow not routed to ppp0. I tried to remove masquar
1851 [16:35:11] <dArF1k> de from iptables and re-add and that did not help. I tried to ifconfig eth0 down and then up.. it will re-assing ip to client but routing still does not work… if I reboot machine everything will be OK for a while. If anyone could point me at right direction where should I search for issue.. I have machine in this "not working" state now and I'd like to find what causes it if possible
1852 [16:35:44] <EdePopede> and last but not least you always could point windows users to your uptime when they had to reboot the 3rd time on that day :P
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1855 [16:37:29] <EdePopede> my old all purpose PC running an all purpose debian stable now has longer uptimes than the closed source modem my cable provider gave me.
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1906 [17:09:19] <johnfg> hi guys
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1908 [17:09:49] <johnfg> how do I get libnss-ldapd to start with systemd. It seems as though there's a bug with this.
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1921 [17:15:54] <Wulf> it's a lib. why would a lib start?
1922 [17:16:00] <karlpinc> dArF1k: The first place to look is the logs.
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1932 [17:17:49] <johnfg> Sorry for it being unclear: it's for nss-lookup and nss-user-lookup services
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1939 [17:20:02] <karlpinc> johnfg: Is it enabled?
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1941 [17:20:59] <johnfg> karlpinc: Right now, there's only nss-lookup.target and nss-user-lookup.target, and they don't work for enabling.
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1956 [17:27:32] <dArF1k> karlpinc: I looked into logs and nothing in there. What I just found is that iptables -t nat -F and then re-adding masquatrade will fix issue. I setup crontab job to do it on regular basis for now
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1959 [17:27:48] <dArF1k> looks like something gets overloaded or crashes.. but no logs
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1965 [17:30:38] <johnfg> Now, I'll have to wait until I get to the office to fix it. Locked out because of user/passwd only in openldap, and I logged out :-(
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1981 [17:39:20] <dka_> is there a bash brut force script I can use ? with parallel maybe ?
1982 [17:40:07] <greycat> What are you trying to do?
1983 [17:40:23] <dka_> login into the router
1984 [17:40:33] <greycat> *plonk*
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2021 [18:00:01] <poh> i am trying to run etch in a vm what do i have to add to sources.list to get it to allow me to run apt-get. i think i should be doing something with snapshot.debian.org
2022 [18:00:14] <bitess> !archive
2023 [18:00:14] <dpkg> well, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
2024 [18:00:32] <jelly> !ado
2025 [18:00:32] <dpkg> Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at replaced-url
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2029 [18:01:14] <jelly> SuperDome, switch off your !ado replying script in here
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2031 [18:01:32] <jelly> !adops
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2033 [18:02:56] <jelly> poh, that's what you want to look at probably
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2038 [18:07:29] <poh> bitess: thanks jelly
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2053 [18:16:45] <MyTwoCents[TM]> poh also the vm host needs to allow the guest os network access
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2056 [18:17:17] <poh> MyTwoCents[TM]: that is done
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2062 [18:18:24] <shtrb> nosklo, I had to rewrite good portions of php code when I had migrated sqqueeze to wheezy (5.3 to 5.6 was a pain for some modules and defaults)
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2066 [18:19:53] <shtrb> Well that came with a delay
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2069 [18:21:20] <MannyLNJ> How can I have Thunderbird start automaticlly when I log on to my Debian 9 system?
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2074 [18:23:33] <karlpinc> MannyLNJ: A lot of desktops will let you configure them to re-open existing windows automatically. Otherwise, I don't know. Maybe the desktop you use has an option. I'm sure there's other ways but I don't know what to recommend.
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2076 [18:23:53] <shtrb> MannyLNJ, what DE ? (KDE , Gnome , ... )
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2105 [18:39:14] <MannyLNJ> shtrb, I don't know my default desktop
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2111 [18:42:12] <n4dir> if you picked the default during installation, you probably run gnome MannyLNJ
2112 [18:42:25] <MannyLNJ> Ahh I am using XFCE acccording to the appicatons menu
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2119 [18:45:01] <MannyLNJ> The reason I want to do this is my email provider has terrible sorting options and I want to run Thunderird on a disused laptop to filter mail to folders
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2122 [18:46:40] <mtn> MannyLNJ: add it to your startup apps. open menu, type: startup
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2128 [18:50:21] <MannyLNJ> I can't locate the menu to chose startup. I can't I believe I am so clueless
2129 [18:51:37] <mutante> predicts that email provider is google.. because that was the reason for me as well to use thunderbird.. cant sort alphabetically and refuse to implement it
2130 [18:52:16] <n4dir> MannyLNJ: what you can do too is let the apps you want to autostart open, log out and click on "save <something>", though that is the default, iirc
2131 [18:52:30] <n4dir> i't do it the proper way, as told by mtn though
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2140 [18:53:53] <MannyLNJ> mutante, my mail hose is Zoho and they are dumping it all in spam so I need to do filter it all back to the correct folders
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2233 [20:02:32] <PaddyF> i exported the private key that i created in kgpg to be able to use some openssl magic like "openssl rsa -inform pem -in private_key.pem -outform pem -out private_key_try2.pem". but the format of the exported key is wrong. its in file.asc
2234 [20:02:53] <PaddyF> could somebody show me how i can convert that?
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2255 [20:14:04] <ZombyWoof> In linux Mint when I typ "i I get ï the double quote is on top of the i. How can I get this behaviour in Debian?
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2258 [20:14:33] <greycat> You without pressing Compose first?
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2261 [20:14:44] <greycat> You mean*
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2263 [20:15:15] <ZombyWoof> always, if you want to type " you have to type " + spacebar
2264 [20:15:30] <greycat> So I guess that's a "Yes, without pressing Compose".
2265 [20:15:48] <greycat> I think I might have heard of that somewhere within the last few months, but damned if I can remember where.
2266 [20:15:51] <ZombyWoof> I don' t know what compose is, maybe that will work too for me
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2268 [20:16:10] <greycat> The *NORMAL* way this is done: replaced-url
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2270 [20:16:19] <ZombyWoof> maybe klaas knows, he seems like a dutch guy :)
2271 [20:16:46] <ZombyWoof> thanks for the link, gonna check it out now
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2274 [20:18:06] <klaas> not dutch, sorry
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2278 [20:18:57] <ZombyWoof> Klaas is a verry Dutch name :) np
2279 [20:19:04] <greycat> I wonder what would happen if you put sequences that *don't* start with <Multi_key> in your ~/.XCompose file. Maybe that's how it's done?
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2283 [20:19:50] <greycat> Yup. I did <a> <b> <c> : "x" and then opened a new terminal and it worked.
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2292 [20:20:19] <greycat> So you could define things like <"> <i> : <ï>
2293 [20:20:25] <greycat> oops
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2295 [20:20:30] <greycat> So you could define things like <"> <i> : "ï"
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2299 [20:21:07] <greycat> There may be other ways to do it, but I don't know them.
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2305 [20:22:39] <shinzo> Hello, how do I find out why a package was installed? ex: was installed as a dependency of pkg X
2306 [20:22:56] <ZombyWoof> greycat: thanks for helping, gonna try it out. But I'm not that fast.....
2307 [20:22:59] <greycat> "aptitude why pkgname"
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2309 [20:23:38] <shinzo> greycat: is there a similar apt or dpkg command?
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2312 [20:24:22] <n4dir> i don't think so, but i recently learned that there is even aptitude why-not ... no clue what it does though (yeah, probably the manpage does)
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2314 [20:24:52] <greycat> shinzo: "apt install aptitude; aptitude why pkgname"
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2317 [20:25:25] <shinzo> ;)
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2321 [20:28:26] <shinzo> found out with apt-cache showpkg
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2334 [20:33:55] <ZombyWoof> Thanks greycat. It is working, so now I'm able to use those special charracters. Still I'm not sure if I can get used to it, Mint has the same behavour as Windows and I am used to this for many years now. At least I can get on with my work now, but it would be great if I can find out how Mint does make it work like it does.
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2336 [20:34:23] <greycat> ask the Mint channel
2337 [20:34:32] <ZombyWoof> Good idea :)
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2339 [20:34:55] <ZombyWoof> If I find out I'll let you know ;)
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2347 [20:39:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
2348 [20:39:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> what identity tool can i use in debian stable like freeipa?
2349 [20:39:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> i just need to make a couple users, would be nice if its something i can do in work too
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2352 [20:40:18] <DoomPatrol> i don't think there is an comparable option to freeipa
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2355 [20:40:36] <DoomPatrol> outside of openldap + alltheotherthings
2356 [20:40:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok which ldap system is best
2357 [20:41:04] <DoomPatrol> thats a subjective question tbh, it's up to you & your needs.
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2359 [20:41:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> just need something small and not going to explode
2360 [20:41:30] <Eryn_1983_FL> or break
2361 [20:41:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> i got kerberos running ,
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2363 [20:43:42] <johnfg> anyone know how <service>.target gets used/enabled/activated by systemd?
2364 [20:44:30] <greycat> .target is like a run level. Kind of.
2365 [20:44:57] <johnfg> greycat: I read the man page, but not clear to me how I get it used.
2366 [20:45:08] <greycat> What are you trying to DO?
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2368 [20:46:29] <johnfg> I need nss-lookup-user.target activated, but I don't know how.
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2371 [20:47:30] <greycat> what does "systemctl status nss-lookup-user.target" say?
2372 [20:47:49] <johnfg> I want my users and passwords in openldap, NOT in /etc/passsd and /etc/shadow. This is done on my two stretch machines, but I don't remember how I did it.
2373 [20:47:56] <johnfg> greycat: I'll check that...
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2378 [20:49:46] <johnfg> replaced-url
2379 [20:50:05] <ZombyWoof> greycat: They aswer is in settings keyboard layout. I do not know the right layout yet, but gonna reboot now, to find out what it is set to in Mint.
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2383 [20:51:16] <greycat> It's possible that their default /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose (or equivalent) files have all those shortened sequences that I described.
2384 [20:51:57] <johnfg> greycat: Do you know what calls the .target files?
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2387 [20:52:35] <greycat> The default target is shown by "systemctl get-default". There's probably a dependency tree.
2388 [20:52:58] <greycat> If the real question is "how 2 ldap" then I personally don't know, but there must be some common resources/docs for it.
2389 [20:54:42] <johnfg> greycat: It may be something that isn't quite right with buster. so my problem.
2390 [20:55:28] <johnfg> I've had this working ever since systemd was available for debian, using openldap for users/passwords and such, but didn't have this problem.
2391 [20:55:57] <johnfg> Running with no problems on my 2 stretch machines.
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2398 [20:59:08] <jhutchins_wk> johnfg: systemctl enable nss-lookup.target I think.
2399 [20:59:21] <jhutchins_wk> johnfg: It creates symlinks to the active folder.
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2401 [20:59:31] <ZombyWoof> greycat: It was there all the time waiting for me :) Layout: English(US) Variant: English(US,international with dead keys) works like a charm. Thanks for helping me.
2402 [20:59:33] <jhutchins_wk> johnfg: You have to both enable and start it.
2403 [20:59:49] <greycat> Oh yes, "dead keys" was a phrase I heard when I saw whatever it was.
2404 [21:00:10] <jhutchins_wk> johnfg: mint has lots of good documentation on systemd stuff. (Which is surprising since it's a RedHat project.)
2405 [21:00:19] <greycat> A colorful phrase with absolutely no clear meaning at all.
2406 [21:00:44] <johnfg> Thanks, I'm gonna reboot into buster now and give it another try.
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2408 [21:00:45] <ZombyWoof> I've seen it before too, but I did not think of it
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2424 [21:08:03] <wMw> hello. what is the best solution to clone system hard disk with debian 9.7 installed to new hard disk?
2425 [21:10:10] <wMw> actual I have old hdd with 120GB capacity and operation system installed and the new one with 500GB free capacity
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2427 [21:10:32] <mutante> keep the old one as OS disk and mount the new 500GB on /home ?
2428 [21:11:33] <wMw> I want to change it because I see some errors to dmesg
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2430 [21:11:40] <wMw> [2665495.074725] ata1.00: irq_stat 0x08000000, interface fatal error
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2432 [21:11:59] <wMw> [2665495.079512] ata1.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
2433 [21:12:38] <greycat> OK, well, the new disk isn't the same size, so you can't literally just "clone" the old one. You can create partitions, and then file systems, on the new one, and copy each file system over. And then install GRUB.
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2435 [21:13:08] <greycat> You'd also need to edit /etc/fstab because the new file systems will have different UUIDs.
2436 [21:13:13] <mutante> wMw: ah! in that case .. i would rsync /home and /root and make a backup of /etc just in case .. and reinstall OS on new disk
2437 [21:13:35] <greycat> A clean reinstall followed by copying the old /home is also an option.
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2439 [21:13:41] <mutante> also i'd keep a copy of "dpkg --get-selections" to remember what i had installed
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2441 [21:15:09] <wMw> ok :) I've tried to escape with a new reinstall but.. :) I see this is the best option
2442 [21:15:25] <mutante> i think it might be quicker than the other way
2443 [21:15:39] <greycat> Depends on how heavily you customized the old one.
2444 [21:16:34] <mutante> install on new disk, mount old disk on /mnt or something, use rsync a lot
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2447 [21:17:34] <greycat> you can safely rsync the old /home and /opt and /usr/local but you can't do that with /etc
2448 [21:18:05] <greycat> if you've got mysql or postgresql databases, etc. ... those should be dealt with carefully and individually
2449 [21:18:27] <mutante> right, iould typically make a tarball out of etc and keep that ..just in case i need to have a specifig config file that i customized and need back
2450 [21:18:38] <mutante> it's small too
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2452 [21:18:50] <wMw> I have dovecot+postfix+mysql+apache2 installed on it :) it's mail server
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2454 [21:20:15] <mutante> take the output of "dpkg --get-selections" and keep it in a text file, copy that over, then use "dpkg --set-selections" on the other side to read from that file.. this way you already saved all the manual installing and have the same packages as before
2455 [21:20:47] <mutante> on case-by-case basis you can also copy the /etc/ file .. just not all
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2462 [21:24:16] <wMw> ok. thank you
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2505 [21:54:26] <pagetelegram> In /dev what is the 9-pin serial device (ie COM1) called ? Just got a serial modem and ready to test first fax.
2506 [21:54:59] <pagetelegram> It is a hardware modem so shouldn't need any driver either.
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2510 [21:56:37] <leibniz> how to install the english dictionaries for aspell?
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2513 [21:58:26] <jmcnaught> ,info aspell-en
2514 [21:58:27] <judd> Package aspell-en (text, optional) in stretch/amd64: English dictionary for GNU Aspell. Version: 2016.11.20-0-0.1; Size: 292.3k; Installed: 423k; Homepage: replaced-url
2515 [21:58:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi guys can you help me i am trying to get kerberos login working via ssh
2516 [21:58:37] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
2517 [21:58:40] <leibniz> i did that already
2518 [21:58:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am not sure i got krb setup right
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2521 [21:59:15] <leibniz> why doesn't my weechat recognize them
2522 [21:59:45] <greycat> is it ... supposed to?
2523 [22:00:45] <leibniz> yes
2524 [22:00:47] <leibniz> it was working before
2525 [22:00:54] <pagetelegram> found it, /dev/ttyS0 and efax command recognized my modem. Now time to get it to understand the Hayes protocols.
2526 [22:00:58] <greycat> what did you change?
2527 [22:01:03] <leibniz> i have aspell installed
2528 [22:01:09] <leibniz> idk i installed a bunch of english dictionaries
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2530 [22:01:14] <leibniz> and i recently had to reformat
2531 [22:01:34] <jmcnaught> leibniz: did you install weechat-plugins?
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2535 [22:02:10] <uio> leibniz, Don't worry, reformating is necessary even in the best of all possible worlds :)
2536 [22:02:17] <leibniz> yes i followed the install instructions on the website
2537 [22:02:38] <leibniz> i reformatted after 1.5 years
2538 [22:02:54] <leibniz> i had this working before
2539 [22:03:04] <leibniz> and the weechat people won't help me because they say it's a debian issue
2540 [22:03:12] <leibniz> but weechat isn't even detecting the dictionaries
2541 [22:03:18] <uio> leibniz, And here they say it is a weechat issue?
2542 [22:03:53] <leibniz> no i haven't gotten aany feedback from here
2543 [22:04:06] <uio> leibniz, replaced-url
2544 [22:04:26] <leibniz> after installing aspell-en i list the available dictionaries and en_US is not on there
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2546 [22:05:54] <zenpac> I can't seem to get my system to register its hostname in the dhcp server. Is there some trick? i set it in /etc/network/interfaces under the dhcp interface declaration.
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2548 [22:07:18] <uio> leibniz, Sorry, other than for making link jokes, I'm pretty useless here...
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2552 [22:09:43] <jmcnaught> leibniz: "aspell dicts" does this list the correct dictionaries?
2553 [22:09:50] <leibniz> figured it
2554 [22:09:59] <leibniz> i figured it out thanks
2555 [22:10:05] <leibniz> i just had to refresh the plugin
2556 [22:10:14] <leibniz> i knew it was simple the weechat support was just giving me the run around
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2560 [22:12:19] <leibniz> ty tho
2561 [22:13:05] <asterismo_l> hi, i need holp configuring nfs in 3 debian PCs
2562 [22:13:19] <asterismo_l> i cannot mount remote folder on clients
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2568 [22:16:49] <vlt> asterismo_l: What did you do, what did you expect to happen and what happened instead?
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2572 [22:18:25] <asterismo_l> i think that it is maybe or the nfs version protocol, or the firewall
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2574 [22:18:42] <asterismo_l> i exported the share, but remote clients cannot mount it
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2578 [22:20:01] <vlt> asterismo_l: What did you do to "export the share"? What did the clients do to mount it?
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2584 [22:22:42] <asterismo_l> i configured the /etc/exports and in clients edited the /etc/fstab
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2586 [22:23:00] <KjetilK> asterismo_l: firewalls are notoriously difficult with NFS, I gave up on that myself, it seemed like you had to have a lot of ports open because the interaction can go over so many different ports, and it seemed not entirely predictable
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2589 [22:23:25] <asterismo_l> when i try to mount remote dir manually i get "portmap query failed: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused"
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2594 [22:24:20] <KjetilK> I ended up using NFS only over a wired LAN with no firewall, on clients over Wifi with firewall between the clients and server, I'm using Samba
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2599 [22:26:56] <galaxie> In this README, it says something about using Mumble as input device: replaced-url
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2601 [22:27:06] <galaxie> How would I do that in Debian? There's just a screenshot
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