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108 [01:33:57] <daniele-> uh? when did dmesg start to use ansi colors?
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116 [01:39:29] <klys> hehe mine started doing that too; I didn't realize
117 [01:39:33] <infro2> it never uses colors, if you always pipe it through grep
118 [01:39:39] <infro2> :)
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123 [01:41:13] <rant> well actually ...
124 [01:41:27] <infro2> don't give me the grep --color=always :P
125 [01:41:40] <rant> heh
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147 [01:52:53] <rant> what I find odd is there is no mention of it in the changelog
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212 [02:53:57] <darkcart> it's a conspiracy
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215 [02:55:09] <gmzamz> Hello! I'm trying to setup a windows VM with VGA passthrough. I hit a snag since both GPUs are the same, as thus both IDs are the same. The arch wiki has me making a script to override the driver for my second GPU, but I am not entirely sure where to put it since debian doesn't use mkinitcpio, nor am I entirely sure where to edit how the initramfs is built. Is there a good resource on how initramfs is
216 [02:55:15] <gmzamz> handled in debian? the manpages are rather dense.
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224 [03:02:36] <foobiebletch> On startup, there is a message about failure to raise network interfaces.
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226 [03:03:07] <foobiebletch> I've found an easy fix online, but what exactly does this error mean?
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230 [03:09:02] <rant> heh
231 [03:09:41] <rant> thats funny because you ask what _exactly_ an error means when you don't give an _exact_ error and its rather self explanitory :P
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233 [03:10:44] <rant> its obvious it means that you're a horrible parent and your network interfaces wound up dealing drugs and stripping for a living
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241 [03:12:54] <whislock> That escalated quickly.
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247 [03:16:59] <darkcart> ...damn
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249 [03:18:48] <rpifan> hi
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251 [03:19:04] <darkcart> hello
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253 [03:20:52] <rpifan> when r we meeting
254 [03:20:58] <rpifan> lets all have a gigantic meet up
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258 [03:22:23] <darkcart> i don't go outside
259 [03:23:10] <rant> darkcart: have you ever read the HHGTTG series?
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261 [03:24:20] <darkcart> the what
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263 [03:24:40] <rant> Douglas Adams, Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy
264 [03:24:45] <darkcart> oh yeah
265 [03:25:45] <rpifan> u can go outside
266 [03:25:48] <rpifan> u gotta get the sun
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270 [03:29:13] <rant> darkcart: there was a character who called himself Wonko the sane, and he referred to the area outside his house as the asylum
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272 [03:30:20] <rant> said that it all started when he'd read the instructions on a box of toothpicks, 'Hold stick near centre of its length. Moisten pointed end in mouth. Insert in tooth space, blunt end next to gum. Use gentle in-out motion.' he said he knew then and there that mankind was crazy :P
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276 [03:33:36] <darkcart> lmao
277 [03:33:40] <darkcart> my man
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281 [03:39:34] <rant> darkcart: replaced-url
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293 [04:01:00] <agris> How can I build a Debian package on a non-debian system, but include all the debian pacthes?
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297 [04:04:41] <rant> agris: the source and patches are on the mirror, but its much easier if you use do it on a debian system
298 [04:04:59] <rant> could just use debootstrap to setup a chroot environment
299 [04:05:16] <agris> Yes, but I want to use a Debian patched version of a program on Gentoo
300 [04:05:36] <agris> specifically replaced-url
301 [04:06:00] <agris> the INSTALL.Source says that patches in the patch folder are managed by quilt
302 [04:06:12] <agris> How would I apply them manually with quilt?
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304 [04:08:33] <agris> Is it just quilt push?
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309 [04:13:08] <agris> when i run quilt push -a i get "can't find file to patch at input line 3
310 [04:13:08] <agris> Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
311 [04:13:08] <agris> "
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345 [04:47:12] <agris> hello?
346 [04:47:20] <darkcart> yes?
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350 [04:49:23] <agris> How do you patch a Debian source package with quilt manually?
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353 [04:50:40] <darkcart> pray
354 [04:51:03] <darkcart> why would you want to
355 [04:51:31] <agris> Because i'm trying to use a program, emma 0.6 with the Debian patches on a non-debian system
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357 [04:51:42] <agris> I just want to apply the debian patches to the source code
358 [04:51:57] <agris> I don NOT want to build a .deb package
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361 [04:53:06] <klys> be careful with this: ln -s . a; ln -s . b; for f in debian/patches/*.patch; do cat $f | patch -p0; done
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367 [04:58:18] <lvrp16> grub2 is missing this patch: replaced-url
368 [04:58:34] <lvrp16> this is for debian stretch
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388 [05:09:00] <agris> sorry?
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391 [05:09:20] <agris> where do I place the source code?
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394 [05:13:55] <klys> agris, /usr/src or ~/src ?
395 [05:14:52] <agris> no, I mean for quilt do work?
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397 [05:15:10] <agris> So I downloaded the orgin source and debian tarballs from debian.org
398 [05:15:15] <klys> agris, to unpack the patches like I said?
399 [05:15:30] <agris> quilt import emma_0.6-5.debian.tar.gz
400 [05:15:45] <klys> idk how to use quilt
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402 [05:16:43] <agris> here is what i'm trying to patch
403 [05:16:46] <agris> replaced-url
404 [05:16:53] <agris> I downloaded both tarballs
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406 [05:17:13] <agris> but how am I supposed to patch the original source code?
407 [05:17:22] <agris> the README says I have to use quilt
408 [05:17:28] <agris> but I don't know how to use quilt
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410 [05:18:25] <klys> tar xpvf emma*.orig.tar.*; cd emma-*; tar xpvf ../emma_*.debian.tar.gz; (the commands I listed above next.)
411 [05:18:29] <klys> afaik
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413 [05:21:34] <agris> oh, so the debian folder goes inside the source folder, not the other way around
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416 [05:22:32] <agris> no, quilt push -a is still not working
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422 [05:28:56] <debsan> agris, debian folder in SOURCE folder, install quilt and configure .quilt.rc (nano .quitl.rc), add debian/patcheshces
423 [05:29:00] <debsan> oops
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426 [05:29:25] <agris> sorry?
427 [05:29:50] <debsan> agris, I was typing sorry, replaced-url
428 [05:30:10] <debsan> to configure quiltrc
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434 [05:36:19] <agris> oh, ok.
435 [05:36:33] <agris> thanks, this seemed to have worked. I just needed to export 2 variables
436 [05:38:25] <debsan> agris, yes You can edit the config file if you are going to be using quilt anytime in future
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441 [05:46:00] <agris> Thank you for your help
442 [05:46:13] <agris> I really appreciate it
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447 [05:52:49] <debsan> to debian wiki help xD
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598 [08:22:29] <Jacta> if find <dir> -mtime 1 wont give any result and there a files 10+ days old in the folder, am I doing anything wrong?
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600 [08:23:34] <Jacta> Tried +1 too - no result - when just find <dir> it shows files
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635 [08:48:07] <jelly> Jacta: find foo -mtime +1 ought to show files (and dirs and other) with mtime from before two days, does ls -l ... show them as old enough?
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639 [08:50:42] <Gekko> I'm on Debian Stretch with iptables v1.6.0. Would anyone have any idea as to why I can't get iptables to allow broacast/multicast messages? replaced-url
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641 [08:51:40] <Gekko> It's a device broadcasting its presence once per second and works fine without iptables
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643 [08:53:25] <SerajewelKS> Gekko: few notes: (1) show us "iptables -nvL" output, the rules in this script may not be the only rules. (2) don't script iptables like this; use iptables-restore, or the rule application is not atomic. (3) your "iptables -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT" is redundant since ACCEPT is the default policy for the OUTPUT chain.
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647 [08:54:17] <SerajewelKS> iptables-restore will also flush all of the chains, which is what you want. if you run this script twice, you're just piling more redundant rules on top of the existing ones.
648 [08:54:28] <SerajewelKS> unless you manually flush each chain in the script
649 [08:54:38] <Gekko> Right
650 [08:54:45] <SerajewelKS> there's tons of reasons why iptables-restore is the way to go
651 [08:55:01] <Gekko> replaced-url
652 [08:55:09] <Gekko> this is -nvL
653 [08:55:22] <SerajewelKS> yeah see this is not the same rule set as your scirpt
654 [08:55:24] <SerajewelKS> script*
655 [08:56:08] <SerajewelKS> the packet is likely being denied because it is broadcast, but your rules only allow multicast. and there is no rule matching the port, from what i can see.
656 [08:56:30] <SerajewelKS> so it's entirely logical that the packet gets rejected
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659 [08:56:54] <SwedeMike> ml
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661 [08:56:56] <Gekko> Will have to read how iptables-restore works
662 [08:56:58] <SwedeMike> oops
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664 [08:57:28] <SerajewelKS> Gekko: basically set up the rules the way you want them. "iptables-save > some-file" later, "iptables-restore < some-file"
665 [08:57:53] <Gekko> right
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668 [09:00:08] <Gekko> Yeah, you're right - clearing all the rules and running that script results in the packets being dropped, while adding the rules one-by-one results in the packets being accepted
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670 [09:00:25] <SerajewelKS> hmm
671 [09:00:28] <Gekko> Can you elaborate as to why running the script doesn't work
672 [09:00:30] <SerajewelKS> is the script not executing all of the way to the end?
673 [09:00:46] <SerajewelKS> are you editing the script in one window and executing it in another? if so, did you save the script before executing it?
674 [09:00:50] <Gekko> it it's "set -x" and doesn't print errors - besides, the logging command is the final one and gets added
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680 [09:01:27] <SerajewelKS> clear all of the rules, then pastebin the script and the output of "iptables -nvL" again
681 [09:01:40] <SerajewelKS> my guess is that the script didn't get saved before you ran it again
682 [09:01:53] <SerajewelKS> or you're editing a different file than you think you are
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685 [09:02:37] <Gekko> heh, I was
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687 [09:02:53] <Gekko> your telepathy skills are impressive
688 [09:03:08] <SerajewelKS> only because i've made the same mistake before :)
689 [09:03:30] <Gekko> yeah I made it last week too
690 [09:03:42] <SerajewelKS> if script says X but does Y, the most likely scenarios are the script said Y then was changed to say X in editor and never saved, or there are two scripts, one that does X and one that does Y
691 [09:03:43] <Gekko> "Why isn't this code executing?!"
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693 [09:04:36] <SerajewelKS> the computer does what you tell it to, not what you want it to
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838 [10:42:50] <terbo> Hello, I have a wifi router on 1.2 that gets DHCP over lan from 1.1, but none of the wireless clients can connect to each other, is it some routing issue on 1.1?
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850 [10:49:19] <DarkByD3sign> Anyone aware of any decent SBC's that will comfortably run Debian please?
851 [10:49:51] <terbo> what do you mean by decent?
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854 [10:52:19] <Gekko> I work with upboards which can run debian or a derivative of it supported by the manufacturer
855 [10:52:24] <Gekko> intel socs
856 [10:52:54] <Gekko> altough the gpu driver is buggy
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884 [11:10:02] <DarkByD3sign> terbo an SBC that can run Debian smoothly and doesn't have many bugs.
885 [11:10:05] <strk> (how) can I set apt update configs via env variables ? I need Acquire::CompressionTypes::Order::=gz
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906 [11:22:28] <petn-randall> strk: You can set it via the "-o" option, but I'm strongly guessing this is a XY problem. :)
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912 [11:23:33] <strk> XY stands for ?
913 [11:23:42] <petn-randall> !xy
914 [11:23:42] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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916 [11:24:08] <petn-randall> (your actual problem being the hash sum mismatch in #ansible)
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931 [11:42:31] <jelly> strk: and what happens next time when the same mirror picks up a broken .gz file instead of a broken .xz file?
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1170 [13:40:10] <NetTerminalGene> debian buster <3
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1175 [13:41:46] <zmeu> hi. i can use a gigabit fiber channel PCI-X on a desktop computer? for example; PCI-X Allied Telesis AT-2931SX/SC
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1180 [13:43:24] <SwedeMike> zmeu: yes, if that desktop computer has PIC-X slots. Which would mean it'd be 12-15 years old.
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1183 [13:44:28] <zmeu> it was example but thanks
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1192 [13:51:30] <KjetilK> I was bitten last night by something holding up redis, but the strange thing was that it also prevented the box from halting
1193 [13:51:46] <colo-work> "something"?
1194 [13:52:03] <colo-work> systemd services have a default "timeout" for stopping
1195 [13:52:04] <KjetilK> yeah, I'll figure that out $later
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1197 [13:52:15] <KjetilK> exactly, and I found it to be
1198 [13:52:22] <KjetilK> TimeoutStopSec=0
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1200 [13:52:26] <colo-work> if that is exceeded, the service manager will sigkill the processes in the services cgroup
1201 [13:52:37] <shtrb> zmeu, if there is a kernel driver for , why not ?
1202 [13:52:55] <KjetilK> so, I suppose redis timeout is indefinite
1203 [13:52:56] <colo-work> sigkill can't be trapped, but an application won't terminate on it if its still in uninterruptible sleep or performing I/O
1204 [13:53:11] <colo-work> well yes, that's another way to shoot yourself in the foot :)
1205 [13:53:17] <colo-work> (if "0" means "unlimited" there)
1206 [13:53:28] <shtrb> zmeu, my googling attempt respond in supported since 2.6
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1208 [13:54:08] <zmeu> i didnt try because this fiber channel is installed on servers
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1210 [13:54:49] <KjetilK> colo-work: I'm pretty sure I didn't hold that particular weapon, it is in /lib/systemd/system, where I don't change stuff :-)
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1212 [13:55:03] <colo-work> KjetilK, I see ;)
1213 [13:55:13] <shtrb> If you have a slot for it, that might work (as long the kernel support it)
1214 [13:55:36] <KjetilK> colo-work: so, what I really came to ask is if I can override by setting timeout somewhere in /etc/?
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1216 [13:56:15] <shtrb> zmeu, I think it's also slightly old (pre 2004)
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1218 [13:56:52] <colo-work> KjetilK, sure you can - `systemctl edit <yourunitname>` will help you create a drop-in unit
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1220 [13:56:56] <iovec> KjetilK: TimeoutStopSec=0 is not infinity
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1222 [13:57:07] <iovec> it means 0 seconds
1223 [13:57:12] <colo-work> where you can locally override/extend sections of a unit
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1226 [13:57:45] <KjetilK> hmmm, colo-work, ok, cool, but iovec, that's interesting
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1231 [13:58:33] <KjetilK> the console was counting "($number min / Infinity )" or something like that
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1234 [13:58:55] <KjetilK> so, the timeout was clearly set to infinity, but the question is what set that
1235 [13:59:23] <iovec> "Takes a unit-less value in seconds, or a time span ..."
1236 [13:59:39] <iovec> "Pass "infinity" to disable the timeout logic."
1237 [14:00:19] <iovec> KjetilK: does redis use Type=notify?
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1239 [14:00:38] <iovec> it could be sending EXTEND_TIMEOUT_USEC status messages to extend the timeout
1240 [14:00:47] <KjetilK> hmmm
1241 [14:00:56] <KjetilK> it says "Type=forking"
1242 [14:01:10] <iovec> it could be sending EXTEND_TIMEOUT_USEC status messages to extend the timeout
1243 [14:01:13] <colo-work> that alone reads wrong
1244 [14:01:24] <colo-work> (unless the service still tells redis-server to daemonize)
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1248 [14:01:53] <KjetilK> hmmmm
1249 [14:02:20] <KjetilK> I'm not really using it for anything serious, just use it for some experiments now and then
1250 [14:02:21] <iovec> KjetilK: are you share it is redis, what does the journal say from the last boot?
1251 [14:02:48] <iovec> journal/rsyslog logs
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1255 [14:03:40] <KjetilK> let me see...
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1263 [14:05:04] <KjetilK> Actually, I think I might just purge redis and reinstall first...
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1265 [14:05:38] <uio> Hi, I'm using Abiword and Spell check is not working... ie, it is a greyed-out option in the tool menu. I tried installing aspell-fr but still no luck. How can I make this work?
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1281 [14:13:18] <uio> Apparently ispell and echant are also already installed.
1282 [14:13:38] <uio> Could this be a bug? I installed Abiword from Debian repos, so it should work fine.
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1285 [14:15:06] <jelly> zmeu: 64bit PCI-X cards often work in 32bit wide PCI ports, if physical constraints allow for plugging in properly
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1288 [14:16:05] <zmeu> i understand
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1392 [15:15:38] <uio> Hi, I'm using Abiword and Spell check is not working... ie, it is a greyed-out option in the tool menu. I tried installing aspell-fr but still no luck. How can I make this work?
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1399 [15:17:20] <jhutchins> uio: Be patient. You have to wait until someone who uses abiword instead of libreoffice sees your question.
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1403 [15:18:37] <uio> jhutchins: I don't think there is any impatience in politely asking a question again after more than an hour. Look at all the recent traffic. New people are arriving.
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1405 [15:18:56] <uio> So I don't have to wait at all. I ask again.
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1415 [15:21:12] <blackflow> uio: sure it's using aspell? there's also hunspell and myspell libraries
1416 [15:21:21] <mobile_c> how do i get this to work
1417 [15:21:24] <mobile_c> [ blackarch@mobile_c m68k_chroot ]$ sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --foreign --arch=m68k unstable sid-m68k-sbuild replaced-url
1418 [15:21:25] <mobile_c> I: Checking Release signature
1419 [15:21:27] <mobile_c> E: Release signed by unknown key (key id DA1B2CEA81DCBC61)
1420 [15:21:28] <mobile_c> The specified keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg may be incorrect or out of date.
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1423 [15:21:51] <blackflow> use a pastebin please, preferably not pastebin.com
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1425 [15:22:09] <jelly> !paste
1426 [15:22:09] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1427 [15:22:22] <uio> blackflow: The documentation I read seems to indicate that apsell is used.
1428 [15:22:49] <mobile_c> anyway how do i fix that
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1430 [15:24:11] <petn-randall> mobile_c: Are you running Blackarch?
1431 [15:24:22] <uio> blackflow: I already have hunspell, and I just installed myspell, but to no avail...
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1437 [15:25:25] <mobile_c> yup
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1441 [15:26:20] <blackflow> uio: sorry, I wouldn't know, I use LibreOffice instead.
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1444 [15:26:46] <zenpac> We have a Dynamic dns system in house,; I tried using /etc/network/interfaces to set "hostname" on my dhcp entry but it didn't seem to work. Anyone use this ?
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1448 [15:28:56] <petn-randall> !blackarch
1449 [15:28:56] <dpkg> Blackarch is a a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Arch, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #blackarch on chat.freenode.net or replaced-url
1450 [15:28:59] <petn-randall> mobile_c: ^^^
1451 [15:29:16] <uio> blackflow: Thanks for trying to help!
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1456 [15:30:51] <blackflow> the all seeing eye of Saur^W petn-randall :)
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1458 [15:31:47] * petn-randall guesses blackflow has a highlight on "black". :)
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1461 [15:32:27] <blackflow> petn-randall: nah, saw the username@ in the paste, but didn't connect the dots until you nudged the bot :)
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1465 [15:32:58] <jelly> why does it say "but" in "It is based on Arch, but it is not Debian"
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1467 [15:33:21] <zenpac> What service on Deb9 starts/restarts dhclient?
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1469 [15:33:32] <petn-randall> jelly: I just copied and adopted the factoid from Kali, feel free to change it. :)
1470 [15:33:34] * Haohmaru bets on systemd
1471 [15:33:52] <jelly> petn-randall: and since when do we not support people trying to debootstrap debian?
1472 [15:33:55] * petn-randall bets against Haohmaru.
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1474 [15:34:02] <Haohmaru> crap :/
1475 [15:34:15] <Haohmaru> i better not go to teh casino tonight
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1478 [15:34:33] <jelly> admittedly sid but it's not like you have a lot of choice with m68k
1479 [15:34:35] <petn-randall> zenpac: Either ifupdown or network-manager, depending on your setup.
1480 [15:35:38] <jmcnaught> the service that runs ifupdown is networking.service
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1485 [15:36:16] <petn-randall> !restart networking
1486 [15:36:16] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, the use of the networking init script to reload networking configuration («/etc/init.d/networking restart») is discouraged. Instead, perform the actions you really want. Re-apply changes from /etc/network/interfaces: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0. Remove all iptables rules: iptables -F. See also <mdblows>.
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1488 [15:36:38] <petn-randall> Probably relevant for zenpac ^^^
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1490 [15:37:27] <petn-randall> jelly: I guess it's a grey area, but feel free to help if you want.
1491 [15:37:42] <rant> uio: I am unable to reproduce your error even removing all of aspell.. the spelling thing (F7) is only greyed out when there is nothing typed.. as soon as a type a word and a space after it, the option is available
1492 [15:37:55] <jelly> mobile_c: you will probably want to grab debian-ports-archive-keyring package from debian and use they keyring therein
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1494 [15:38:31] <jelly> petn-randall: my rule of thumb is: "where else are they going to get better or more appropriate help"
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1498 [15:40:08] <petn-randall> jelly: I doubt you'll get better help on blackarch, Kali or Parrot in their respective channels, so there might be some exceptions to the rule. :)
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1501 [15:41:05] <jelly> it's not help on blackarch, it's help on debootstrapping debian
1502 [15:41:15] <jelly> which is still a supported method of installation
1503 [15:41:36] <petn-randall> I'm not disagreeing, good point.
1504 [15:41:47] <jelly> so even if they start from Windows Subsystem on Linux, it's still installing debian
1505 [15:42:01] <jelly> for* Linux
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1508 [15:44:46] <blackflow> I thought m68k support was dropped in Debian...
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1512 [15:46:11] <uio> rant: Interesting.... let me take a look, I had a full document.
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1516 [15:48:34] <uio> rant: This is very odd. Like you, if I make a new document, it works, but if I open this one document it Spell-check is not available. I does work if I copy and paste the entire contents to a new file though...
1517 [15:48:56] <blackflow> uio: document metadata set to unsupported language?
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1519 [15:49:24] <uio> rant: I wonder if it is related to the fact that this document was a .docx opened with Abi, and then saved as an .abw file.... Not quite sure...
1520 [15:49:39] <uio> blackflow: No, I made sure to set the language from the menu.
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1524 [15:50:05] <uio> rant: blackflow I'm going to chalk it up to a .docx diffculty maybe?
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1527 [15:51:34] <uio> rant: blackflow Well, thanks. I'm going to guess that it is just something to do with this document. At least I've found the copy and paste work-around. Odd. Anyway.
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1529 [15:51:42] <blackflow> uio: not sure that'd make any difference, unless it wants you to reload from a native format
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1531 [15:52:07] <uio> blackflow: But why does copying it make a difference then?
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1533 [15:52:27] <blackflow> not sure.
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1535 [15:52:49] <rant> uio: sounds like you should file a bug report
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1540 [15:53:39] <uio> rant: Problem is I don't think I can reproduce the error. What happens for you if you try to open a real .docx?
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1550 [15:55:53] <rant> uio: idk what that even is
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1553 [15:56:06] <uio> lol
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1555 [15:56:40] <rant> thats only funny if you use windows and think the last few letters of a filename means something
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1558 [15:57:51] <uio> rant: ??
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1560 [15:58:20] <uio> rant: I have to interact with the M$ world... I thought it was for the file format....
1561 [15:58:31] <rant> windows goes out of its way to hide "extensions" and prevent you from changing them and identifies files by this.. linux does not.. it identifies files by heuristics and the file header
1562 [15:58:46] <uio> rant: Okay, I see.
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1564 [15:59:28] <rant> uio: 0211 Grief.docx: ISO Media, Apple iTunes Video (.M4V) Video
1565 [15:59:44] <rant> as you can see I just renamed a file .docx and it still sees it as what it really is
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1567 [16:00:30] <greycat> That's slightly oversimplified.
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1569 [16:00:59] <greycat> There's no single behavior of "linux" with respect to how files are identified and dealt with. Every program is free to do whatever it likes.
1570 [16:01:20] <rant> all the more reason I dont know what a real .docx is
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1572 [16:01:32] <JustASlacker> uh
1573 [16:01:39] <JustASlacker> linux checks first few bytes of the file
1574 [16:01:46] <greycat> I could only guess "one that was created by Microsoft Word".
1575 [16:01:51] <rant> I'm sure I can create one.. probably with libreoffice.. but idk if that means its a "real .docx"
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1578 [16:02:43] <rant> I don't use microsoft office, haven't in like 20 years /me shrugs
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1580 [16:03:00] <tarzeau> JustASlacker: linux doesn't but software that use file magic. and then there's software that depend on file extensions
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1582 [16:03:25] <tarzeau> linux gives memory, takes back, and gives cpu time to processes
1583 [16:03:34] <tarzeau> and interfaces hardware with software
1584 [16:03:40] <rant> last time I'd created a file in MS Office, it was on a trial version and when that trial expired my files locked up and couldnt be opened even with libreoffice
1585 [16:03:41] <greycat> Right. Some applications look at the file extension, and some don't.
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1589 [16:07:44] <JustASlacker> nope, it is actually the kernel that will detect the shebang line
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1591 [16:08:04] <rant> heh
1592 [16:08:06] <JustASlacker> and kernel==linux for me at last
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1594 [16:08:25] <greycat> That's correct, for the special case of executing a program.
1595 [16:08:27] <Haohmaru> kernel==blackmagicmysterybox
1596 [16:08:41] <greycat> When it comes to *data* files, though, that's all done by applications.
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1598 [16:08:54] <JustASlacker> rite
1599 [16:08:55] <jelly> it's not that magic
1600 [16:09:06] * JustASlacker returns into the pedantic box
1601 [16:09:14] <greycat> it was a good point
1602 [16:09:16] <mobile_c> how do i get a list of files in a .deb
1603 [16:09:23] <greycat> mobile_c: if it's installed, dpkg -L pkgname
1604 [16:09:37] <Haohmaru> mobile_c it's a kind of archive..
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1606 [16:09:48] <rant> an ar archive to be exact
1607 [16:09:50] <Wulf> mobile_c: ar p foo.deb data.tar.xz | unxz | tar -tv
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1611 [16:10:12] <mobile_c> ok i have /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-pkg.so.5.0.1
1612 [16:10:15] <mobile_c> apt
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1615 [16:10:30] <greycat> mobile_c: if it's NOT installed, dpkg -c filename.deb
1616 [16:10:38] <mobile_c> where do i get libapt-private.so.0.0
1617 [16:10:51] <greycat> wooledg:~$ dpkg -S libapt-private
1618 [16:10:51] <greycat> apt: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0
1619 [16:10:51] <greycat> apt: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0.0
1620 [16:10:58] <mobile_c> nvm it /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0
1621 [16:11:22] <mobile_c> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0.0
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1627 [16:12:07] <mobile_c> is this normal
1628 [16:12:09] <mobile_c> $ whereis libapt-private.so.0.0
1629 [16:12:10] <mobile_c> libapt-private.so.0:
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1633 [16:14:10] <greycat> I do not know what "whereis" does, and don't particularly care. I showed you the command I used, and its output.
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1637 [16:14:58] <Haohmaru> mobile_c are you trying to do stuff on a non-debian linux?
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1645 [16:17:10] <mobile_c> yay i got apt working
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1648 [16:20:11] * rant has used Debian for about 17 years and never had to do anything remotely like this
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1651 [16:20:35] <mobile_c> replaced-url
1652 [16:20:36] <Tenkawa> like what?
1653 [16:20:46] * Tenkawa missed the context
1654 [16:20:50] <JustASlacker> whereis - locate the binary, source, and manual page files for a command
1655 [16:20:50] <nkuttler> mobile_c: no
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1673 [16:27:59] <mobile_c> how do i install the package list
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1675 [16:28:10] <mobile_c> that apt uses to search for packages
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1678 [16:28:23] <greycat> "apt update"
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1681 [16:28:46] <mobile_c> i tried that
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1683 [16:29:33] <mobile_c> i have no list in /etc/apt
1684 [16:29:45] <mobile_c> just gpg's
1685 [16:30:20] <Tenkawa> put some in
1686 [16:31:03] <greycat> Whatever you're doing, it sounds like it's not a Debian problem.
1687 [16:31:09] <Tenkawa> yeah
1688 [16:31:39] <Tenkawa> there should be soures.list with your pkg sources
1689 [16:31:47] <Tenkawa> apt.conf.d dir
1690 [16:31:53] <Tenkawa> preferences.d dir
1691 [16:32:05] <Tenkawa> sources.list.d dir
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1695 [16:32:23] <Tenkawa> and a trusted.gpg.d dir minimally
1696 [16:33:10] <jelly> mobile_c: that ought to happen inside debootstrapped chroot
1697 [16:33:18] <Tenkawa> indeed
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1729 [16:46:58] <mobile_c> ok i have a sources.list now
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1731 [16:48:55] * mobile_c fixes apt and expects alot of shit to probably instantly break cus libc
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1733 [16:49:39] <mobile_c> /usr/bin/dpkg: error while loading shared libraries: libselinux.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
1734 [16:49:43] <mobile_c> oh
1735 [16:49:58] <greycat> *plonk*
1736 [16:50:07] <Haohmaru> you should've taken the blue pill
1737 [16:50:20] <Tenkawa> what did you do?????
1738 [16:50:49] * mobile_c reinstalls dpkg
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1740 [16:50:53] <Tenkawa> heehee
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1742 [16:51:50] <Tenkawa> Haohmaru: man I wouldve really been in big trouble in the Matrix with the pills.... colorblind
1743 [16:52:11] <mobile_c> :P
1744 [16:52:22] <Haohmaru> trust morpheus
1745 [16:52:27] <Haohmaru> he a gud guy
1746 [16:52:33] <Tenkawa> Morpheus knows all
1747 [16:52:41] <Tenkawa> heheheheheh
1748 [16:52:52] <Haohmaru> nah, he knows only what he needs to
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1750 [16:53:19] * mobile_c tells morphius "but im colorblind"
1751 [16:53:34] <Tenkawa> or "whats in the pill?"
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1755 [16:54:04] <mobile_c> drugs
1756 [16:54:09] <Tenkawa> someone needs to throttle Posterdati
1757 [16:54:14] <Tenkawa> 's connection
1758 [16:54:27] <Tenkawa> it keeps connecting/discon
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1763 [16:55:15] <mobile_c> ==> Starting prepare()...
1764 [16:55:16] <mobile_c> Can't locate File/stat.pm in @INC (you may need to install the File::stat module) (@INC contains: /usr/share/autoconf /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.24.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.24.1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.24 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.24 /usr/share/perl/5.24 /usr/local/lib/site_perl /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base .) at /usr/share/autoconf/Autom4te/FileUtils.pm line 40.
1765 [16:55:18] <mobile_c> oh
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1768 [16:55:53] <Tenkawa> case in point
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1800 [17:06:36] <johnfg> hi folks
1801 [17:06:54] <johnfg> how do I find out what mta I have running on the system?
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1805 [17:07:31] <greycat> Lots of ways. You can use ps -ef, or dpkg -l, or telnet localhost 25, or ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail, ...
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1812 [17:10:34] <mobile_c> Unpacking libc6:amd64 (2.24-11+deb9u3) ...
1813 [17:10:35] <mobile_c> rm: relocation error: /usr/lib/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_exception_create, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 with link time reference
1814 [17:10:37] <mobile_c> dpkg: error while cleaning up:
1815 [17:10:37] <dpkg> mobile_c: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
1816 [17:10:38] <mobile_c> rip
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1819 [17:11:09] <rant> mobile_c: wth are you doing?
1820 [17:11:46] <mobile_c> replaced-url
1821 [17:11:53] <mobile_c> rant: that
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1824 [17:13:23] <rant> that explains absolutely nothing
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1826 [17:13:46] <mobile_c> im trying to install apt in arch
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1828 [17:14:00] <rant> why? to what end?
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1830 [17:14:17] <mobile_c> to access the debian repo
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1832 [17:14:57] <mtn> mobile_c: apt is in the aur. why not use that?
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1834 [17:15:31] <mtn> ah, now he is in the arch channel
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1836 [17:15:49] <rant> well as long as he stfu here, thats fine..
1837 [17:15:59] <mtn> :)
1838 [17:16:29] <jelly> mobile_c: what's the actual goal here? If you want a m68k debian chroot, typically you do first stage natively, then use qemu-user to bring up the rest inside chroot
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1847 [17:20:30] <johnfg> greycat: Here's my need: I've got a new install of buster, and want it to duplicate my stretch installs.
1848 [17:20:59] <greycat> well, obviously it can't entirely duplicate a different release
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1850 [17:21:12] <johnfg> greycat: However, when I go to install mutt, it's asking about an mta, which I must have or it must have been installed by another program on stretch machines.
1851 [17:21:27] <johnfg> greycat: Right, not my goal.
1852 [17:21:29] <greycat> so, what did you learn from the various commands I offered?
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1856 [17:22:47] <jelly> johnfg: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail on the machine where you already have a mutt, to see which MTA is installed
1857 [17:23:11] <greycat> (and now he has one more)
1858 [17:23:12] <johnfg> ESMTP Exim 4.89 Mon, 04 Feb 2019 09:22:13 -0700 on the one stretch.
1859 [17:23:20] <greycat> there you go. it's exim4.
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1861 [17:23:53] <droman> Hi. I was searching for financial reports of debian and I couldn't find any, does debian do such a thing (Gentoo does it for example, so I supposed that a linux distribution with a social contract like debian would probably do it)
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1864 [17:24:19] <greycat> !spi
1865 [17:24:19] <dpkg> Software in the Public Interest (SPI) is the umbrella organization for Debian and other Free Software projects. replaced-url
1866 [17:24:43] <johnfg> exim4-daemon-light: /usr/sbin/sendmail from dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail
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1868 [17:25:12] <jelly> johnfg: that was the default MTA on stretch. It's likely you did not have a preference there.
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1870 [17:25:26] <greycat> is that no longer the case on buster?
1871 [17:25:38] <jelly> I... have no idea.
1872 [17:25:48] <greycat> exim has been the default for a *really* long time
1873 [17:25:53] <jelly> exim does not get installed on my systems.
1874 [17:25:56] <droman> greycat: thanks
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1876 [17:26:35] <johnfg> jelly: greycat: Here's what apt install mutt suggests: default-mta | mail-transport-agent
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1879 [17:26:54] <jelly> johnfg: that seems sensible.
1880 [17:27:14] <johnfg> Does the | signify one or the other?
1881 [17:27:29] <jelly> indeed it does, in order of preference
1882 [17:27:35] <jelly> ,v default-mta
1883 [17:27:36] <judd> No package named 'default-mta' was found in amd64.
1884 [17:27:40] <jelly> huh
1885 [17:27:56] <johnfg> ,v mail-transport-agent
1886 [17:27:57] <judd> No package named 'mail-transport-agent' was found in amd64.
1887 [17:28:04] <jelly> ,whatprovides default-mta
1888 [17:28:10] <johnfg> so, neither is found, per se.
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1890 [17:28:17] <judd> Package default-mta in stretch/amd64 is provided by: exim4-daemon-light.
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1892 [17:28:43] <jelly> both are virtual packages, provided by one or more real packages
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1910 [17:37:30] <johnfg> ,whatprovides mixmaster
1911 [17:37:32] <judd> In stretch/amd64, mixmaster is a real package.
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1914 [17:37:52] <johnfg> I guess mixmaster is obsoleted in buster.
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1916 [17:38:19] <jelly> it did not keep up with other implementations and key sizes for years now IIRC
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1918 [17:38:36] <jelly> judd: bug rm mixmaster
1919 [17:38:39] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1922 [17:39:30] <johnfg> jelly: One of the suggestions, but I haven't used it directly on stretch or anything previous, IIRC.
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1924 [17:40:24] <jelly> that bug report is funny, tho
1925 [17:40:38] <jelly> > The author of this bug (#880101) and #824827 is a user of mixmaster who has used an anonymizer to report the bugs. As a result the bug reporter is *uncontactable*.
1926 [17:40:40] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1930 [17:42:36] <jelly> so they managed to send one last mail using it, somehow
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1934 [17:45:02] <jelly> johnfg: if you're soliciting suggestions on a minimal MTA, if you want local delivery to /var/mail/username but msot delivery to someplace else, "dma" is nice I hear
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1937 [17:46:05] <jelly> if you already know how to configure some other MTA, use that
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1939 [17:46:34] <blackflow> Ereplaced-url
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1941 [17:47:55] <jelly> it's fully featured and can be used as a simple localhost-only mta just not my cup of tea
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1943 [17:48:39] <blackflow> its config is a bit too arcane and Sendmail-like in complexity, for my taste. I prefer Postfix.
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1976 [18:02:23] <galaxie> Hi, I'm trying to install libnss3-dev on Stretch but I somehow somewhere I must've installed the wrong version of libnss3 sometime ago. I'm getting libnss3-dev : Depends: libnss3 (= 2:3.26.2-1.1+deb9u1) but 2:3.38-1 is to be installed
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1978 [18:02:59] <galaxie> What do I do? Uninstall libnss3? A lot of other packages seem to require it.
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1980 [18:04:20] <greycat> sounds like you installed some post-stable stuff on your system
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1982 [18:06:54] <galaxie> Yes, that's what it probably was.
1983 [18:07:38] <greycat> In that case, your choices are basically (1) reinstall from scratch, (2) "upgrade" to buster and pray it works.
1984 [18:07:52] <galaxie> I can't just uninstall libnss3?
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1987 [18:08:11] <greycat> I very strongly doubt that's the ONLY post-stretch package you have.
1988 [18:08:35] <galaxie> Not the only, but the other was fontconfig, which is manageable, and something else.
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1998 [18:12:46] <jelly> !partial downgrade
1999 [18:12:46] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
2000 [18:13:18] <greycat> Step (a) should be perform a backup.
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2004 [18:13:41] <jelly> that backup should have been done before messing up the system with newer repos
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2006 [18:14:00] <jelly> implicit step (0) is always "make a backup"
2007 [18:14:16] <greycat> I'm assuming the frankendebian was done months or years ago, and he didn't encounter the actual symptoms until now.
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2009 [18:14:35] <jelly> but honestly if a random user had a backup to restore from, would they even come ask here?
2010 [18:14:40] <greycat> yes
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2067 [18:40:38] <poh> i have a book i m reading that has some excersises that need to be run on an old kernel. do i install an old version of debian, and if i do will the apt-get repos still be there
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2073 [18:41:37] <rant> poh: what good are doing exercises on an old kernel? If you did exercises on the latest one they'd be outdated by the end of the week.
2074 [18:41:59] <rant> poh: kernels are independant of the rest of the system as long as its not too old there shouldnt be a problem
2075 [18:42:28] <rant> poh: furthermore you could grab an old system and install it in virtualbox or such
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2078 [18:43:02] <poh> that's what i was planning on doing but will the apt-get repos be available so i can install software like gdb
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2080 [18:43:28] <rant> !archive
2081 [18:43:28] <dpkg> somebody said archive was a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
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2084 [18:44:11] <poh> thanks
2085 [18:45:33] <poh> !snapshot
2086 [18:45:33] <dpkg> replaced-url
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2088 [18:46:37] <rant> poh: you can also /msg dpkg anytime you are in a channel with the bot which hangs out here and #debian-bots and on several channels on irc.oftc.net
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2175 [19:37:06] <Tenkawa> any of you messed with optimizing debian for amd cpus?
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2247 [20:19:24] <PaddyF> i bought all debian 9 dvds and thought its a bit more social to use jigdo for updates. but from 9.4 to 9.6 it downloaded almost the full dvds and it took ages. is that typical for jigdo?
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2322 [20:55:59] <n_1-c_k> I just had a panic over my laptop going bad. 'ls' reported 'input/output error' on file, then journald or something complained and I couldn't reboot except by holding the power button...
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2324 [20:56:21] <n_1-c_k> ...then on reboot I had to do a manual fsck. Is this a very bad sign about the disk?
2325 [20:56:22] <Wulf> it's about time to make a backup!
2326 [20:56:29] <n_1-c_k> Oh dear.
2327 [20:56:39] <Wulf> check dmesg
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2330 [20:57:33] <n_1-c_k> Wulf: I can run it and it says lots... what am I looking for?
2331 [20:57:49] <petn-randall> disk errors at the end.
2332 [20:58:05] <n_1-c_k> thanks...
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2341 [21:01:05] <n_1-c_k> Nothing apparent to me but I can't really tell. Opinions welcome about replaced-url
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2344 [21:02:39] <Tenkawa> n_1-c_k: whats the issue?
2345 [21:02:49] <Tenkawa> I missed the scrollback
2346 [21:02:57] <Tenkawa> i just read your dmesg output
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2348 [21:03:38] <n_1-c_k> Tenkawa: at random I started getting 'input/output error' on listing files. Tjournald or something complained and I couldn't reboot except by holding the power button...
2349 [21:04:02] <n_1-c_k> I didn't keep notes I'm afraid... then on reboot I had to manually fsck
2350 [21:04:12] <karlpinc> n_1-c_k: You might also install smartmontools and see what smartctl has to say about your drive. But if you suspect drive problems the very first thing to do, before you make any changes to the disk at all, is make a backup.
2351 [21:04:37] <n_1-c_k> karlpinc: that sounds like good advice. thanks
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2353 [21:05:19] <petn-randall> n_1-c_k: I don't see any I/O errors there, but then again your i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 on your kernel command line might be causing such errors.
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2355 [21:05:47] <Tenkawa> yeah i agree
2356 [21:06:02] <n_1-c_k> petn-randall: oh should I remove it? I forget what it was for now.
2357 [21:06:17] <Tenkawa> i'm not versed on nvm either so i cant help with that fs
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2361 [21:07:13] <petn-randall> n_1-c_k: IIRC it force deeper power saving, but it was still buggy at least in 4.9.
2362 [21:07:28] <Tenkawa> yeah that i915 flag could be putting it to too deep sleep
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2370 [21:10:27] <Tenkawa> time to run before I get rained on
2371 [21:10:29] <Tenkawa> oh fun
2372 [21:10:33] <Tenkawa> bbbl
2373 [21:10:35] <Tenkawa> er bbl
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2390 [21:21:14] <n_1-c_k> I ran 'smartctl -H' on my disk and it says "test result: PASSED" which pleases me. Can I attribute my earlier trouble with it to cosmic rays?
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2406 [21:30:21] <rwp> n_1-c_k, The disks internal controller may have "spared" out a failing sector. With high density disks there are *always* "failures" corrected by error correction at some rate. The disk may be fine and if the SMART data doesn't indicate otherwise then I would not worry. I *would* run an extended "smartctl -t long" test.
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2409 [21:31:25] <n_1-c_k> rwp: thanks, that's most useful.
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2412 [21:31:47] <karlpinc> n_1-c_k: And smart is not perfect. Rumor has it that a disk will die 30% of the time without any smart warning. Still, good news.
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2415 [21:32:43] <rwp> Right. I have had smart predict a failure, and used the disk for a full 1.5 years until it eventually failed. And others that have failed outright. But smart is good at confirming a positive disk death.
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2417 [21:33:30] <rwp> And it can be an increasingly noisy indicator of a disk problem as the disk does die and then dies after having notified you strongly that it was sick. Personal experience here...
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2419 [21:33:51] <n_1-c_k> rwp, karlpinc, thank you for that information.
2420 [21:33:55] <zleap> which version of debian is sloppy ?
2421 [21:34:37] <rwp> You said laptop but if you had said desktop I would have said, don't rule out bad sata cables or connections. Unplug and replug the cable. I have had cabling problems too. When the disk was always reporting healthy.
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2424 [21:34:43] <zleap> forget that, i just read about that
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2583 [23:11:16] <bobbles> how do you unhold everything?
2584 [23:11:39] <bobbles> trying to update to buster
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2617 [23:30:36] <petn-randall> bobbles: Care to elaborate what you're talking about?
2618 [23:30:37] <petn-randall> !ask
2619 [23:30:37] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2623 [23:32:53] <bobbles> not that much
2624 [23:32:59] <bobbles> just came to say keep it up
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2631 [23:35:37] <[sr]> howdy
2632 [23:35:47] <[sr]> would it be possible to have php 5.6x on SID?
2633 [23:35:55] <[sr]> if yes whats the trick?
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2640 [23:38:26] <[sr]> only jessie for what i see right?
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2655 [23:46:05] <rant> [sr]: you want multiple versions or just an older one?
2656 [23:46:49] <[sr]> rant: for now php5, but i know that if i install php5 in jessie and then go to sid i'll have both of them
2657 [23:48:04] <rant> [sr]: afaik there is nothing dependency wise that would stop you from just installing it.. you can just add a jessie sources line and use package=version with an apt install command
2658 [23:48:21] <rant> [sr]: though I also dont know of anything that newer php would break that would require this
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2662 [23:51:32] <[sr]> rant i'll give it a try in offline
2663 [23:51:34] <[sr]> thanks
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