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105 [01:30:11] <shqip> Plugin "PODRenderer" missing, maybe you need to install it? how can I solve this
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108 [01:33:08] <L1nuxg33k> What program are you using?
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125 [01:50:09] <aindilis> is there an easy way to do transparency in modern Debian? I used to use xcompmgr + transset but this hasn't worked for me for a while
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143 [02:02:55] <SlidingHorn> aindilis: what DE/WM? Is there a particular application you're trying to do this for?
144 [02:03:12] <aindilis> well I want to watch movies while watching security cameras
145 [02:03:20] <aindilis> on 1 monitor
146 [02:03:29] <aindilis> WM is either LightDM or GDM3
147 [02:03:40] <SlidingHorn> neither of those are window managers
148 [02:03:42] <aindilis> er Metacity or whatever repalced it standard gnome3
149 [02:05:04] <SlidingHorn> aindilis: I'm not personally aware of a media player that will play a video translucently
150 [02:05:17] <SlidingHorn> (I'm open to someone correcting me on that one)
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152 [02:05:58] <aindilis> ah, okay, I'll try to partition the windows manually then, ty!
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166 [02:22:23] <rant> Ingvix: no. I gave up.. tried everything I could think of short of intensive strace/wireshark most I could do was install samba and get it to show the localhost .. only stuff I saw online was mention of protocol changes to accomodate win10 which doesnt fit either because I have a win10 machine on this network and it only shows up with cli tools on buster
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172 [02:25:29] <CarlFK> I saw a box booth into the grub menu that had "Debian / Advanced / uefi setup" - Where did the uefi setup come from?
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188 [02:42:31] <Dat> in rescue mode what would cause a invalid ELF header?
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254 [03:29:01] <agio> hi, I've just upgraded a bunch opackages. how do I find out if the system needs a reboot?
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257 [03:30:32] <SlidingHorn> agio: ls /var/run look for a file called reboot-required
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259 [03:31:12] <agio> oh, thanks
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288 [04:04:00] <idlemind> anyone happen to know if their is a link nestled away anywhere with a debian 8 live dvd?
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290 [04:04:12] <idlemind> can only seem to find the current (9) version
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294 [04:08:45] <themill> idlemind: replaced-url
295 [04:08:55] <idlemind> dank
296 [04:08:59] <idlemind> danke
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423 [06:52:24] <rabies> hello random people
424 [06:53:01] <rabies> wow, this channel is quiet now
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428 [06:57:57] <rant> it happens
429 [06:59:10] <rabies> back in MY day, this channel was lively!
430 [06:59:49] <rant> heh, yeah well it still has its peak times
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441 [07:17:49] <CarlFK> I know what 7 is, what makes the other 2 numbers bump up? debian_ver: 9.7.0
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443 [07:19:35] <rant> CarlFK: maj.min.rev is typical format, but Debian releases don't use that format. Debian just uses a Release.Point-Release format
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447 [07:20:37] <CarlFK> Rant when does Point-Release bump?
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449 [07:21:18] <CarlFK> oh hell. I meant I know what the 9 is, what is 7 ?
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451 [07:21:59] <rant> CarlFK: its a security point release where Debian releases new disk images containing updates
452 [07:22:54] <rant> on reason for the 7 point release was a vulnerability found in apt, so naturally its better to make a point release so people downloading install media are not vulnerable from the start before they are able to update from a repository
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455 [07:25:04] <CarlFK> Im wring docs for iso=${distro}-${debian_ver}-${arch}-netinst.iso
456 [07:25:11] <CarlFK> is this correct enough:
457 [07:25:21] <CarlFK> ``debian_ver``: (9.7.0). Debian version number (needs to be current, old point relieases are removed from the repos).
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459 [07:27:23] <rant> CarlFK: well, again, we do not use the maj.min.rev version numbers for releases, just release.point-release
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461 [07:27:39] <rant> CarlFK: replaced-url
462 [07:28:56] <rant> CarlFK: in the past we've used 2.2r6 (Potato's last revision) and (5.0.1 Lenny's first point release) that's not been done since Wheezy (Debian 7)
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466 [07:31:17] <CarlFK> the 0 is still there - see replaced-url
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469 [07:32:58] <rant> CarlFK: yes well this sort of thing happens when you have different teams working on different things but the version scheme used now doesn't use a micro revision number replaced-url
470 [07:33:46] <rant> it may very well still be showing that on the iso files, but its no longer used that way because we are changing the major number with every release now
471 [07:34:30] <rant> CarlFK: cat /etc/debian_version and anywhere else.. our /topic the website, wiki, etc all are only using 9.7
472 [07:34:31] <CarlFK> how should I word that documentation line?
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475 [07:38:01] <rant> CarlFK: this is a user support channel for Debian stable, its no way affiliated with the Debian project.. if you want more specific answers on Debian policy, contact Debian. These current questions regarding images would be addressed on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) in #debian-cd or on the mailing lists replaced-url
476 [07:39:21] <CarlFK> meh, too hard. if you dont' have better words I'll leave it as is.
477 [07:40:18] <rant> CarlFK: its fine as is I suppose :P
478 [07:40:35] <rant> Reminds me of that joke about how many kernel developers it takes to screw in a lightbulb
479 [07:40:55] <CarlFK> how many?
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481 [07:41:36] <yaLuacam> can anyone help me with fdisk
482 [07:42:00] <yaLuacam> or point me in the direction of a properchannel
483 [07:42:05] <rant> "Seventeen to argue about the
484 [07:42:06] <rant> license; 17 to argue about the brain-deadedness of the lightbulb architecture; 17 to argue about a new model that encompasses all models of illumination and makes it simple to replace candles, campfires, pilot lights, and
485 [07:42:09] <rant> skylights with the same easy-to-extend mechanism; 17 to speculate about
486 [07:42:12] <rant> the secretive industrial conspiracy that ensures that lightbulbs will burn out
487 [07:42:15] <rant> frequently; 1 to finally change the bulb; and 16 who decide that this solution is good enough for the time being"
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491 [07:42:31] <rant> thats what I get for copy/pasting from a pdf :P
492 [07:42:35] <CarlFK> lol
493 [07:42:36] <rant> bad line breaks
494 [07:42:36] <CarlFK> nice.
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496 [07:43:21] <CarlFK> I suspect the docs I am working on will be read by more authors than users
497 [07:43:29] <rant> yaLuacam: ask a more specific question. Or use sfdisk, cfdisk, or gparted instead.
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500 [07:46:55] <yaLuacam> I need to change the logical/physical sizes of a storage drive
501 [07:47:06] <yaLuacam> sector sizes that is
502 [07:47:22] <yaLuacam> from 512 to 4096
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506 [07:49:49] <rant> yaLuacam: what is the current device node of this disk?
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510 [07:51:15] <pragomer> sometimes I find the debian isos are hard to find: I am searching for a netins-testing-nonfree-iso ??
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514 [07:53:34] <CarlFK> pragomer replaced-url
515 [07:53:41] <rant> yaLuacam: d="sda";(cat /sys/block/$d/queue/*_block_size; fdisk -l /dev/$d)|nc termbin.com 9999
516 [07:53:47] <CarlFK> o wait.. nonfree
517 [07:53:53] <rant> yaLuacam: change d= to the disk in question
518 [07:54:32] <CarlFK> pragomer: replaced-url
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520 [07:55:28] <rant> yaLuacam: you need to run that command as root for the fdisk output
521 [07:57:22] <pragomer> so, when I will take buster or "current" actually?
522 [07:57:47] <pragomer> to get the same as "testing" would be stand in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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524 [07:58:30] <pragomer> ah no, I see, "current" is 9.7 which is stable, right?
525 [07:58:39] <pragomer> so I got to go with buster, right?
526 [07:58:55] <rant> pragomer: yes stable=current=stretch=9.7 testing=buster
527 [07:59:04] <yaLuacam> rant: no internet
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530 [08:00:26] <pragomer> thank you, so this site was the correct for me then:
531 [08:00:26] <rant> yaLuacam: fair enough.. the problem here is that you can't change physical stuff and that the utils already choose the optimal sector size.. the logical sector size is done in the filesystem not the partition.. so you'
532 [08:00:27] <pragomer> replaced-url
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534 [08:00:36] <rant> re misunderstanding something
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536 [08:01:01] <rant> and probably going to ruin your system or data for nothing
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549 [08:12:05] <yaLuacam> rant: OK. it's a storage drive with nothing on it. without internet I'm not able to get any sort of GUI like pendrivelinux or unetbootin so I have to use terminal to prepare a USB drive so I can write an image to it
550 [08:12:51] <rant> yaLuacam: yes well don't use unetbootin anyhow.. and you do not need to prepare a usb drive to write an image to it
551 [08:13:14] <rant> yaLuacam: from a linux machine all you have to do is cp image.iso /dev/sdc or whatever the device node is
552 [08:13:59] <rant> yaLuacam: you are making a common newbie mistake of thinking you're smarter than a decade worth of kernel developers.. the kernel knows what to do when you tell it to copy that image to a device node attached to a block device
553 [08:16:08] <rant> yaLuacam: its 2019, not 1999 we dont do things the hard way anymore :P
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556 [08:21:57] <yaLuacam> rant: I understand the cp of the iso to the device. The USB has 1 sector and its size is 512 bytes but it needs to be 2048 and every time I just "cp the iso to the USB" it works great but when I plug the USB in I get the error Linux says the device has 2048 bytes but it really only has 512....
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558 [08:23:11] <rant> yaLuacam: idk but either you got a horribly broken system, bad iso, or broken usb drive
559 [08:23:40] <rant> a disk image contains an entire disk.. when you cp the disk image to the device note its overwriting EVERYTHING
560 [08:23:52] <rant> so anything you'd do to that drive would be overwritten anyhow
561 [08:23:58] <yaLuacam> rant: broken USB drive. thanks tho for your help and for trying to get this newbie to understand
562 [08:24:11] <dadinn> hi all
563 [08:24:45] <rant> yaLuacam: you can't just change the partition table because writing the image would overwrite any changes you made to it anyhow :P
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567 [08:25:19] <rant> dadinn: 'allo mayte 'ow are thin's dahnunda?
568 [08:25:35] <dadinn> I am having trouble with setting up wireless on a Thinkpad P1, I just got it over christmas and it is quite new stuff, I couldn't find any info about it online.
569 [08:26:34] <dadinn> The closest thing is the DebianOn guide for X1 Extreme I think, but the guide is only for 5th gen
570 [08:26:50] <dadinn> I think the P1 is essentially the same as the 8th gen X1 Extreme
571 [08:26:53] <rant> dadinn: yes well just show us the wifi line from the output of lspci -nn
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573 [08:27:13] <dadinn> yeah, I have trouble finding it
574 [08:27:41] <rant> dadinn: are you connected to the net on it running Debian stable using wired connection right now?
575 [08:27:47] <dadinn> the only "Wireless" line comes from `lsusb` and its ant Intel bluetooth
576 [08:28:02] <dadinn> I am running debian Stretch live CD on it
577 [08:28:14] <dadinn> i am connected to internet through another device
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579 [08:28:39] <dadinn> also i connected the P1 through USB tethering
580 [08:28:57] <rant> dadinn: so it currently has network connectivity?
581 [08:29:03] <rant> it can reach the internet?
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583 [08:29:19] <dadinn> rant: yes it has through USB tethering
584 [08:30:10] <dadinn> also, it came with a Windows 10 (barf...) on it. which did have wifi
585 [08:30:23] <rant> dadinn: (lsusb; lspci -nn)|nc termbin.com 9999
586 [08:30:29] <dadinn> i mean it was working
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588 [08:31:23] <dadinn> rant: what is nc for?
589 [08:31:29] <dadinn> i don't haves it
590 [08:31:46] <rant> dadinn: ah well you can either install netcat or just copy/paste the output to paste.debian.net
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595 [08:34:21] <dadinn> rant: replaced-url
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597 [08:35:36] <rant> dadinn: this is your wifi 00:14.3 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:a370] (rev 10)
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599 [08:36:11] <rant> its called the AC 9560 near as I can tell
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605 [08:38:01] <rant> dadinn: oddly enough I see three aliases in the iwlwifi driver for this pciid
606 [08:38:15] <rant> I've never seen more than one alias for the same pciid before :P
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608 [08:39:22] <dadinn> rant: how do you find this from the lspci output, may i ask?
609 [08:40:29] <rant> dadinn: lspci shows the names of devices -n shows ONLY the pciids and -nn shows both. the pciid is the [8086:a370] portion 8086 is the mfg (Intel) and a370 is the device id
610 [08:40:41] <rant> values are in hexidecimal
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612 [08:41:32] <rant> checking modinfo iwlwifi | grep -i a370 shows 3 lines indicating that this device should be claimed by that driver
613 [08:42:03] <rant> since your wifi isnt working there is likely another issue.. check dmesg i.e. dmesg | grep iwlwifi
614 [08:42:13] <dadinn> I see, the you used the pciid to look up more info?
615 [08:42:36] <rant> dadinn: yes you always use the vend/prod id codes to look up the information not the name
616 [08:43:24] <dadinn> rant: where do i look it up from?
617 [08:43:49] <rant> dadinn: generic speaking, using a pciid and the word linux in google will get you a lot of info
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619 [08:44:04] <dadinn> rant: I see
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621 [08:44:17] <rant> but in this case we knew it was an intel wifi card and I know the names of several intel wifi drivers.. so I was able to check that id against the kernel drivers
622 [08:44:56] <rant> ,pciid [8086:a370]
623 [08:44:57] <judd> [8086:a370] is 'Wireless-AC 9560 [Jefferson Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
624 [08:45:00] <dadinn> rant: the dmesg says errors all over, that it failed to load iwlwifi-9000-pu-a0-26.ucode (-2)
625 [08:45:32] <dadinn> rant: and Direct firmware load for ... failed with error -2
626 [08:45:52] <rant> dadinn: you will need to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and append "contrib non-free" after the "main" on all the lines then apt update && apt install firmware-iwlwifi
627 [08:46:12] <dadinn> i am using gnome+nonfree live debian image
628 [08:46:43] <dadinn> rant: ahh, but firmware-iwlfiwi might not be installed
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631 [08:47:10] <rant> dadinn: indeed, and if that doesn't work after installing the firmware you can try the firmware and kernel from backports
632 [08:47:28] <rant> the firmware in stretch is from 2016 but the firmware in stretch-backports is from a few months ago
633 [08:47:35] <dadinn> rant: actually it says it is installed newest version 20161130-4
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636 [08:47:58] <rant> ,find iwlwifi-9000-pu-a0-26.ucode
637 [08:48:02] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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639 [08:48:10] <rant> ,find iwlwifi-9000-pu-a0-26.ucode stretch-backports
640 [08:48:14] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
641 [08:48:19] <rant> guess not :P
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643 [08:49:35] <dadinn> rant: AC is the newest type of wifi isn't it? might be no drivers for it yet :/
644 [08:50:20] <rant> well I checked the stretch-backports package it doesnt have that file either
645 [08:50:21] <dadinn> AC i mean 802.11ac
646 [08:50:53] <rant> ,help find
647 [08:50:54] <judd> (find <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "file $*".
648 [08:51:03] <rant> ,help file
649 [08:51:04] <judd> (file <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>] [--regex | --exact]) -- Returns packages that include files matching <pattern> which, by default, is interpreted as a glob (see glob(7)). If --regex is given, the pattern is treated as a extended regex (see regex(7); note not PCRE!). If --exact is given, the exact filename is required. The current stable release and amd64 are searched by default.
650 [08:51:21] <rant> ,file --release testing iwlwifi-9000-pu-a0-26.ucode
651 [08:51:22] <judd> (file <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>] [--regex | --exact]) -- Returns packages that include files matching <pattern> which, by default, is interpreted as a glob (see glob(7)). If --regex is given, the pattern is treated as a extended regex (see regex(7); note not PCRE!). If --exact is given, the exact filename is required. The current stable release and amd64 are searched by default.
652 [08:51:44] <rant> ,file iwlwifi-9000-pu-a0-26.ucode --release testing
653 [08:51:49] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
654 [08:52:00] <rant> ,file iwlwifi-9000-pu-a0-26.ucode --release sid
655 [08:52:05] <judd> No packages in sid/amd64 were found with that file.
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660 [08:54:59] <rant> dadinn: replaced-url
661 [08:55:40] <rant> dadinn: try downloading that and unzipping it and placing it in /lib/firmware/
662 [08:56:20] <CarlFK> crazy question: what happened to /bin/chvt ?p
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664 [08:56:46] <rant> CarlFK: nothing?
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666 [08:57:01] <CarlFK> ls: cannot access '/bin/chvt': No such file or directory
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668 [08:57:12] <rant> dadinn: you will then need to install the stretch-backports kernel as that firmware won't work with the stretch kernel
669 [08:57:51] <rant> CarlFK: sounds like a personal problem :P which chvt says /bin/chvt for me
670 [08:58:08] <CarlFK> told you it was crazy.
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672 [08:59:01] <CarlFK> install from the netinstal image, reboot, run script that starts with that command. worked a few hours ago, not it errors.
673 [08:59:12] <CarlFK> not/now
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676 [08:59:49] <dadinn> rant: hmm, I cannot do that while running inside the live image i suppose
677 [09:00:10] <rant> dadinn: well yeah.. that could be a lil tricky
678 [09:01:16] <rant> dadinn: bottom line though is that the alias are in the iwlwifi driver so its claiming your card, you're just missing firmware.. and according to intel they have firmware for it but it requires linux 4.14+ and stretch-backports kernel is 4.19 so.. it should work you'll just need the backport kernel and to manually install the firmware
679 [09:01:36] <rant> dadinn: replaced-url
680 [09:01:46] <rant> dadinn: your card is the first one on the list..
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682 [09:02:39] <dadinn> rant: may I ask how you found this driver? if google, then what you searched for?
683 [09:03:14] <rant> dadinn: googled for the iwlwifi-9000-pu-a0-26.ucode third result was that link from intel
684 [09:04:07] <dadinn> hmm, but this is pu-b0-jf...
685 [09:04:23] <rant> dadinn: that was after I manually verified that the latest firmware-iwlwifi from deb.debian.org did not contain that file
686 [09:04:59] <dadinn> rant: fair enough
687 [09:05:04] <rant> dadinn: yes.. thats the firmware the stretch kernel wants to go with that card.. newer kernel will match the newer firmware which is why intel says it needs 4.14+
688 [09:05:43] <rant> ,find iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34
689 [09:05:47] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
690 [09:06:04] <rant> ,find iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34 --release sid
691 [09:06:05] <shtrb> ,v fogbugz
692 [09:06:10] <judd> No packages in sid/amd64 were found with that file.
693 [09:06:11] <judd> No package named 'fogbugz' was found in amd64.
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695 [09:06:59] <rant> ,find iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34.ucode --release sid
696 [09:07:05] <judd> Search for iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34.ucode in sid/amd64: firmware-iwlwifi: lib/firmware/iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34.ucode
697 [09:07:27] <shtrb> what was the verb to find if there was an IPP for a package ?
698 [09:07:57] <rant> dadinn: actually it would seem you could manually install firmware-iwlwifi from sid it would seem.. it wont conflict with any dependencies and has that file
699 [09:08:17] <rant> replaced-url
700 [09:08:22] <dadinn> rant: I really like these bots, debian channel is great! thanks for the help... I think i need to do some installation, shall be back with the results
701 [09:08:48] <rant> dadinn: I'd imagine the stretch-backports kernel and that latest firmware package will work
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703 [09:09:47] <dadinn> rant: yeah, will try it that way
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707 [09:10:17] <rant> dadinn: dont use apt, just grab the package manually and dpkg -i
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709 [09:10:32] <rant> use apt for the backport kernel, but not the firmware
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712 [09:11:36] <rant> dadinn: then if you wanna be real cool, go update thinkwiki and the debian wiki.. cause thinkwiki has absolutly nothing on the P series line
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714 [09:11:43] <dadinn> rant: ahh, i was expecting apt for the kernel, but what do you mean about the firmware? it is just a single .ucode file, plus readmes/licences
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716 [09:12:14] <rant> dadinn: well you can either get it from upstream or just use the latest deb package which also has it
717 [09:12:20] <dadinn> rant: never used dpkg -i before... what does it do?
718 [09:12:29] <rant> dadinn: you HAVE used it.. heh
719 [09:12:47] <rant> its how packages are installed.. apt just normally does it for you
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723 [09:13:03] <rant> dadinn: replaced-url
724 [09:13:10] <dadinn> rant: yeah i know, but the ucode file is not a .deb package
725 [09:13:23] <rant> dadinn: that file is in that deb..
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728 [09:13:33] <dadinn> i rarely install individual packages by themselves i meant
729 [09:13:40] <rant> its just a sid package and you dont want to add sid sources..
730 [09:13:47] <rant> ,depends firmware-iwlwifi
731 [09:13:48] <judd> Package firmware-iwlwifi in stretch/amd64 -- depends: .
732 [09:14:02] <rant> it has no dependencies so it wont screw anything up
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734 [09:16:51] <dadinn> rant: sorry i overlooked the line with the .deb link. so do you mean this package contains the .ucode file from Intel I downloaded earlier?
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743 [09:22:37] <rant> dadinn: yes
744 [09:22:52] <rant> dadinn: when you install the stretch-backports kernel the error should change to that filename
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746 [09:26:41] <dadinn> rant: so how come when you searched earlier for the file in both backports and sid, that debian package didn't come up?
747 [09:27:22] <rant> dadinn: I was searching for the file from your current error from stretch's 4.9 kernel
748 [09:27:42] <rant> dadinn: that firmware only works with 4.14 and above.. 4.19 is in stretch-backports
749 [09:28:11] <rant> 03:07 judd> Search for iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34.ucode in sid/amd64: firmware-iwlwifi:
750 [09:28:56] <dadinn> rant: ahh, so these filenames are deterministically generated from the underlying hardware, and the file for the firmware should be called like that?
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752 [09:30:21] <rant> dadinn: the kernel looks at the device IDs and matches them to aliases in the module.. the module then matches that alias to a particular firmware
753 [09:31:36] <rant> dadinn: apparently mfgs feel various features of their devices are trade secrets that give them competitive edge.. so rather than make closed source drivers, they have realized they can just open the driver and keep the firmware closed as a compromise
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763 [09:40:47] <dadinn> rant: fair enough
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765 [09:43:14] <dadinn> by the way, while at it, I would like to advertise my precious little Debain installer scripts: replaced-url
766 [09:44:38] <dadinn> actually it is Debian on ZFS installer scripts to be precise, but the instroot script can be used for other debootstrap like installers
767 [09:45:00] <dadinn> please give some feedback on it if you can ;)
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770 [09:46:28] <dadinn> it was rewritten in Guile, as i found myself going mad managing the code in Bash
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775 [09:50:45] <dadinn> rant: Thanks again for the help! I will come back with the results... and will update the DebianOn wiki ;)
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784 [09:57:55] <rant> dadinn: fwiw you might want to consider moving to gitlab replaced-url
785 [09:58:49] <rant> dadinn: its not only closed source but now owned by microsoft.. many of the die-hards cannot in good conscious contribute to projects not adhering to the Debian philosophy
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787 [09:59:45] <rant> dadinn: you should also avoid advertising in a support channel, its frowned upon.. see #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net or the debian-boot mailing list perhaps
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821 [10:24:44] <dadinn> rant: apologies, didn't know i am doing wrong. About gitlab, i completely agree with that, didn't know there was an alternative to github... will move over definitely
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834 [10:38:08] <rant> dadinn: I wasnt aware of it either until I had an objection from a Debian Developer
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966 [11:58:57] <dadinn> rant: how does Gitlab work? How come I can sign in with Github? is this with OpenID (didn't know Github has that). I suppose I would still need to upload my ssh public key
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976 [12:01:28] <dadinn> rant: also, how FOSS addherence is enforced? Only repos with GPL licence are accepted? Or how it is managed?
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1034 [12:36:02] <bites> dadinn: nobody dictates the license you choose for the software you write. there is no forced foss adherence.
1035 [12:36:41] <blackflow> RMS would beg to differ :)
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1062 [12:54:08] <dadinn> bites: I mean if the domain is called git.fosscomunity.in then i suppose there is some adherence... like no Microsoft 3E Licences
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1064 [12:55:33] <shtrb> what's a 3E license ?
1065 [12:55:50] <dadinn> Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
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1067 [12:57:06] <dadinn> i meant all the non-GPL compatible and commons clause crap
1068 [12:57:42] <shtrb> Many corporations use foss community, they will use workers with low pay or even volunteers. They are not an NGO they need to make money
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1072 [12:58:40] <shtrb> Android have shown to us how GPL is non enforcable and how providers need to be sued to start releasing software
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1078 [13:01:18] <bites> dadinn: i doubt it.
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1082 [13:01:45] <dadinn> I am a little man, and trying to do the little I can do to leave the world a better place for everyone
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1089 [13:03:00] <dadinn> I am writing a GnuCash import/export library in Java/Clojure and releasing it under LPGL, hoping that I can get some proprietary accounting software to support import/export in GnuCash
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1125 [13:23:14] <rant> dadinn: its just that some folk will choose not to use certain things.. nobody can make you serve vegan food but vegans won't eat at your resturant if you don't :P
1126 [13:24:24] <PaddyF> thats not precisely true if github puts something restrictive in their terms of service
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1136 [13:31:46] <rant> I have an external HDD thats encrypted which currently I have my VMs on, and I also may move my crossover bottles and possibly at some point store my kodi files on.. I'm looking for ideas about how to possibly auto bind these directories to my homedir when the drive is unlocked
1137 [13:32:36] <blackflow> udev script
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1145 [13:33:04] <rant> problem there being luks. it can't bind on connect, the FS is unreadable
1146 [13:33:21] <blackflow> you can trigger on mapper name becoming available
1147 [13:33:27] <blackflow> or plaintext fs uuid
1148 [13:33:28] <rant> ah
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1150 [13:33:51] <blackflow> also, possibly you can write a .mount unit. They're supposedly reacting to these events as well and can automount when the device apperas
1151 [13:34:03] <blackflow> (but I'm not sure, never tried to use them that way)
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1156 [13:35:18] <rant> Idk anything about the systemd stuff, but I've worked with udev before just never thought about hooking luks before.. I'll look into both options I guess.. having to manually bind is becomming annoying :P
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1158 [13:36:11] <rant> I think I tried using symlinks before and that didnt work well
1159 [13:37:03] <rant> besides if I use mounts I can possibly use the new overlay feature and keep certain things on my internal SSD and lesser used stuff on the external
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1164 [13:39:08] <rant> what are thoughts on dmcrypt vs luks? I never used dmcrypt before, but I been thinking about experimenting with it.. might be better to have things encrypted at all times. Is there more overhead there?
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1167 [13:40:37] <rant> really I'm not all that certain it offers any additional security or benefit.
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1172 [13:43:43] <rant> actually I withdraw that question.. heh.. seems luks has many advantages now that I think about it
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1216 [14:19:38] <blackflow> rant: not sure I understand what you're asking, luks is part of dm-crypt
1217 [14:20:43] <rant> yeah, I've not been feeling well.. I was thinking more of plain dm-crypt
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1219 [14:21:00] <rant> but I was not thinking clearly
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1223 [14:23:14] <blackflow> rant: I prefer the simplicity of the block layer, for which LUKS is really de facto standard.
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1228 [14:28:13] <rant> blackflow: yeah.. I been using luks awhile now and not had any issues.. though admittedly I been being lax with my header backup.. if I even have one currently I got nfc where it is :P
1229 [14:28:40] <rant> blackflow: something I read not long ago suggested you should encrypt your header backups cause they could be used to attempt brute force
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1238 [14:35:16] <blackflow> rant: I don't back them up at all :) I have data backups so I don't care if I have to recreate the luks containers
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1245 [14:37:08] <rant> blackflow: fair enough.. I'm still broke and lucky to even have a halfway decent system with a 256GB SSD and 1TB external.. so.. I dont have the luxury of backups.. though I also dont have anything really important either.. just a lot of time and convenience in my data
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1247 [14:37:52] <rant> I can't wait for the day I have a large scalable RAID to play with to keep my data on
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1293 [15:08:12] <dadinn> rant: have you tried ZFS?
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1295 [15:09:30] <dadinn> rant: I am waiting for the never version to arrive where they have encryption baked-in
1296 [15:10:20] <rant> dadinn: no. I dont fool with designer FS I like my fs to be tried and true..
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1299 [15:11:01] <dadinn> I am currently running a 6 disk (each 1Tb) raid-10 ZFS cluster (altogether approx 3-4Tb usable because of mirrors)
1300 [15:11:44] <dadinn> rant: ZFS is tried and true, unlike Btrfs
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1306 [15:13:33] <dadinn> and at the end of the day you care about data integrity. ZFS does that, checksummed filesystem, if mirrored or has parity raid setup, it will even autocorrect bit errors. Nothing out there can compete with that
1307 [15:13:39] <rant> dadinn: not by me it isnt :P
1308 [15:14:16] <rant> I waited a long time before even switching to ext4
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1312 [15:15:36] <SwedeMike> dadinn: the biggest issue with ZFS I have is the licensing problem and how it's intregrated into Linux because of this.
1313 [15:15:36] <dadinn> rant: well by me it is, 6 years I have been running my commodity desktop hardware "server" with terrabites of data in it... I do the monthly scrubs, and though never had errors, it feels good knowing that if i had a bit flip, I wouldn't loose the data
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1315 [15:17:35] <dadinn> SwedeMike: why is the licenceing a problem? do you plan on monetizing/distributing your zfs-based Linux distribution, as some kind of NAS system?
1316 [15:18:20] <dadinn> SwedeMike: if you use it at home for your own systems, then what?
1317 [15:18:47] <SwedeMike> dadinn: replaced-url
1318 [15:19:14] <SwedeMike> dadinn: all the other things are already upstream in the linux mainline linux kernel
1319 [15:21:18] <dadinn> SwedeMike: I am sorry I don't understand, what is the problem with the link?
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1323 [15:24:08] <SwedeMike> dadinn: ZFS isn't in mainline linux. ZFS is maintained completely separately because of its silly license.
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1325 [15:24:43] <blackflow> dadinn: I'm running ZoL in production. encryption won't be production ready until 0.8.x hits the shelves.
1326 [15:25:31] <SwedeMike> dadinn: even when reiserfs was not in mainline kernel, Debian/Ubuntu could still distribute it like any other module.
1327 [15:25:58] <dadinn> SwedeMike: Would I like if ZFS was GPL and integrated in the mainline kernel, it is the best filesystem to this date, Btrfs is in the gutter, so you won't see anything like ZFS for a while
1328 [15:27:20] <SwedeMike> dadinn: I don't use btrfs, I don't know why you keep bringing it up in the discussion.
1329 [15:27:23] <dadinn> SwedeMike: at the end of the day, I want my data not to rot away on my hard-drives... and the best (actually I would say only) option out there is ZFS
1330 [15:27:46] <SwedeMike> dadinn: as I said, my biggest beef with ZFS is its silly license and the consequences thereof.
1331 [15:28:01] <SwedeMike> and I won't use it in its current state.
1332 [15:28:09] <blackflow> yeah this situation with 5.x linux is a bit.... concerning.
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1335 [15:29:47] <dadinn> SwedeMike: so what do you do against consmic rays flipping your bits on your family videos and accounting data? Just accept it collateral dammage to licencing issues?
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1339 [15:31:21] <blackflow> lol
1340 [15:31:54] <dadinn> blackflow: yeah I am aware of that, but I can't wait for it, cuz I use ZFS on LUKS, and it is actually pretty dumb to run raid 10 cluster on LUKS
1341 [15:32:53] <blackflow> dumb how? it works just fine
1342 [15:32:56] <dadinn> blackflow: as I encrypt every byte of data twice :)
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1345 [15:33:12] <blackflow> infact, native enc won't bring much benefits except ability to encrypt _some_ datasets and not the whole pool
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1349 [15:35:15] <dadinn> blackflow: come on with a mirror you write the same byte twice, and each LUKS device will encrypt it separately... actually it is even a security risk
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1352 [15:35:42] <SwedeMike> dadinn: I don't even have ECC RAM. I don't have the requirements you seem to have.
1353 [15:35:57] <thebling> Is Docker totally free yet or is there a bunch of hoops involved for GNU/Linux?
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1355 [15:36:18] <blackflow> SwedeMike: ECC is not strictly a requirement for ZFS.
1356 [15:36:25] <SwedeMike> blackflow: I never said it was.
1357 [15:36:25] <thebling> Few years ago I installed Docker but hated the idea that it was not in the repos
1358 [15:36:32] <blackflow> SwedeMike: oh sorry, I misunderstood what you meant.
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1361 [15:36:56] <SwedeMike> blackflow: but the problem he's pointed out is not a problem I worry about, thus I don't even have ECC RAM.
1362 [15:36:58] <blackflow> (there's that ZFS Scrub of Death myth, I thought you were referring to that)
1363 [15:37:00] <thebling> You don't need ECC for ZFS but it is always a good idea.
1364 [15:37:10] <blackflow> yeah
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1367 [15:37:49] <SwedeMike> if I wanted to try to lessen the impact of bitflips I would definitely go for ECC RAM.
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1369 [15:38:34] <thebling> ZFS btw freaking rocks as openzfs v5000. Using a kernel mod is not ideal though imo. OBSD makes a better system for that.
1370 [15:39:24] <SwedeMike> yes, if I was really worried about this I would run FreeBSD on server HW with ECC memory and then use ZFS there.
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1372 [15:39:45] <blackflow> I've been running ZFS as primary filesystem on servers for several years now, FreeBSD and only lately testing ZoL on some machines.
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1374 [15:40:28] <blackflow> In that time I have yet to see a single bit flip on the servers, though I saw some on my desktop backup disk, consumer grade stuff and USB enclosures, so I'm not sure if it's cosmic rays lol, or just.... USB being USB.
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1376 [15:40:51] <blackflow> (and those not being flips at all but chksum errors caused by something else)
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1378 [15:40:55] <thebling> I have a few ZFS servers. I find FreeNAS is really convenient
1379 [15:41:10] <thebling> and ofc that is based on obsd
1380 [15:41:17] <dadinn> SwedeMike: another use-case is backups in ZFS it is pretty easy to create a snapshot of a constantly changing dataset in a given point in time. If you want to keep it offsite you can zfs send the bytestream and upload it somewhere.
1381 [15:41:27] <blackflow> thebling: no, it's based on FreeBSD. OpenBSD doesn't have ZFS.
1382 [15:41:39] <thebling> blah... mean fbsd
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1384 [15:43:08] <SwedeMike> blackflow: I've had files go bad for me previously, but this seemed related to hw issues. After I swapped CPU+mobo+RAM then the problem didn't occur again.
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1386 [15:44:08] <blackflow> yeah, data checksumming would catch that and autocorrect.
1387 [15:44:22] <dadinn> blackflow: I am running ZoL as fileserver for 5+ years, recently trying it as rootfs too
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1389 [15:44:37] <thebling> SwedeMike, I have had issues like that and it turned out that it was the SATA cables that would wiggle a little.
1390 [15:44:58] <blackflow> meanwhile, ZFS is dog slow. I'll leave it just on long-term storage backup machines where performance is irrelevant. Definitely don't want to run it under the database any more.
1391 [15:46:02] <thebling> A slog and a decent sized ARC will help a lot.
1392 [15:46:09] <blackflow> tried it, and that wasn't the case
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1394 [15:47:07] <blackflow> problem is those situations where it has to touch the disks. high concurrency and many file iops are terrible. tried even some l2arc but that didn't help at all
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1397 [15:47:23] <thebling> Does zpool status show the same disks are giving issues?
1398 [15:47:48] <thebling> but SMART and everything else looks good?
1399 [15:48:02] <blackflow> are you asking me?
1400 [15:48:05] <thebling> yeah
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1402 [15:48:13] <blackflow> zpool status isn't showing any issues
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1405 [15:48:35] <thebling> but your scrubs are catching things right?
1406 [15:49:23] <blackflow> thebling: checksum errors? yeah, caught some on the desktop backup disk (USB), but on the servers, I have yet to see a single error
1407 [15:49:25] <thebling> The checksum would not match and you would see what disk is iffy.
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1410 [15:49:53] <blackflow> (which is unrelated to the performance of it)
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1412 [15:50:22] <thebling> USB ... ehhh USB3 ?
1413 [15:50:29] <blackflow> yes
1414 [15:50:47] <blackflow> I'm talking about performance on the servers, not desktop USB thing
1415 [15:50:52] <thebling> I could see how that would still be slow.
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1417 [15:51:02] <blackflow> ZFS is terrible with many file ops
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1424 [15:54:21] <thebling> blackflow, idk USB this is how I am running my system. replaced-url
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1428 [15:55:40] <blackflow> dadinn: do you separate any root dirs into their own datasets?
1429 [15:56:24] <blackflow> I'm separating at least /var/log, /var/tmp and /tmp, so those (especially logs) don't roll back in case I have to roll back the rootfs
1430 [15:57:05] <dadinn> blackflow: yes separate dirs
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1432 [15:57:15] <dadinn> blackflow: also I use a zvol for swap
1433 [15:57:22] <blackflow> databases, and other dynamic data go to their own datasets as well, but this is just for the OS dirs. those /var/ mountpoints are forcing me to go legacy, as there's race condition on boot and zfs mounts fail
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1436 [15:57:50] <blackflow> dadinn: assuming you understand that swap on zvol is only good to page out unused memory, and it'll lock down the machine under memory pressure?
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1438 [15:58:19] <dadinn> blackflow: regarding the performance issues, do you think those are there with zvols too? So my whole system being on ZFS, yet I can create a zvol for performance sensitive stuff
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1442 [15:59:14] <blackflow> no idea, I'm only using zvols for (test) VM images in use cases that aren't performance sensitive
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1447 [16:00:45] <dadinn> blackflow: I had those race conditions with /var and legacy mounts does solve it.
1448 [16:01:36] <dadinn> blackflow: though recently I have been stopped having those race condition issues with normal automounts, not sure exactly why
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1451 [16:02:32] <dadinn> blackflow: I have these scripts here: replaced-url
1452 [16:03:01] <dadinn> blackflow: i was told not to share it here :/
1453 [16:03:02] <blackflow> I've traced the problem to systemd-tmpfiles. It pre-creates stuff under /var/log and /tmp and then zfs-automount can't do its job. legacy apparently happens before tmpfiles.
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1455 [16:04:56] <dadinn> blackflow: yes, i did try it with systemd option commands in fstab, but I couldn't resolve the issue
1456 [16:05:20] <blackflow> that's the difference between ZoL and FreeBSD's ZFS for example. on FreeBSD, zfs will mount anywhere, noquestions asked. on Linux, it won't remount and won't mount to non-empty dirs.
1457 [16:05:36] <blackflow> I wonder what will happen when FreeBSD rebases to ZoL.
1458 [16:06:01] <dadinn> blackflow: are they about to?
1459 [16:06:10] <blackflow> yup
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1462 [16:06:22] <dadinn> blackflow: how come?
1463 [16:06:36] <blackflow> replaced-url
1464 [16:06:40] <dadinn> blackflow: aren't they incompatible codebases?
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1467 [16:07:12] <blackflow> some features are missing. xattr support in FreeBSD, trim support in ZoL, encryption support in FreeBSD, and some other nuances
1468 [16:07:36] <blackflow> they'll have to fix that before full rebase, sure.
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1473 [16:09:16] <kanliot> running buster, how do i get fsck ? someone removed it?
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1476 [16:11:37] <kanliot> i have fsck.xfs in /sbin but I can't run the thing after $su
1477 [16:11:41] <dadinn> blackflow: wow, this sounds great!
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1479 [16:12:18] <blackflow> dadinn: depends on whom you ask but in general, I think so too. moar contrib to ZoL.
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1485 [16:15:32] <dadinn> blackflow: based on the mail, Behlendorf was supportive, that means some people at FreeBSD are unhappy about it?
1486 [16:16:03] <blackflow> yes, primarily concerned about missing features.
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1576 [17:12:29] <dadinn> if I partition a device, is it such that if the device name ends in numeral then the partition name will be device + "p" + idx ?
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1578 [17:12:52] <dadinn> like /dev/sda will be /dev/sda{1,2,3,...}
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1581 [17:14:07] <dadinn> but if the device name is /dev/nvme0n1 then the partition will be /dev/nvme0n1p{1,2,3,...}
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1585 [17:16:00] <dadinn> so the trigger between the simple numeric idx and the pX index suffixes is whether the device name ends in a number?
1586 [17:16:34] <dadinn> trying to figure out how to write a script for this
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1589 [17:19:05] <shtrb> no, nvmex (the x registered controller), sdx the x device connected via sata/pata
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1592 [17:21:02] <EdePopede> what about lvm/raid?
1593 [17:21:18] <dadinn> shtrb: there is no device name /dev/nvme[0-9]
1594 [17:21:36] <shtrb> it's nvme0 , the n is a namespace
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1596 [17:21:52] <dadinn> shtrb: i only see /dev/nvme[0-9]n[0-9] pattern
1597 [17:22:12] <shtrb> /dev/nvme0n1p1 0'th controller, 1 namespace , 1 parttion
1598 [17:22:28] <dadinn> and the partition will be /dev/nvme[0-9]n[0-9]p[0-9]
1599 [17:22:50] <shtrb> When it will be created
1600 [17:22:50] <Greyztar> is there a good source of all shared out of the box commands that should work on all linux distros?
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1604 [17:24:17] <dadinn> but with /dev/sd[a-z] device names there is no "p" between the device name and the partition idx
1605 [17:24:19] <EdePopede> Greyztar: there's POSIX, there are collections like GNU Coreutils and util-linux and BSD's contribution...
1606 [17:24:22] <n4dir> that sure is a list, but i would not know if it is complete or such: replaced-url
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1608 [17:24:57] <EdePopede> heh nice link
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1611 [17:25:29] <Greyztar> thanks all give google some more tries then,nice to know some basic commands that works on all systems (,")
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1614 [17:26:39] <n4dir> i'd assume that the basic commands work out of box on all *linux* systems. On other Unixes they might work different, or not exist at all.
1615 [17:26:51] <shtrb> EdePopede, both raid and lvm have a higher level of separation
1616 [17:27:00] <pingfloyd> not even all linux dists
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1618 [17:27:10] <pingfloyd> a base install can vary
1619 [17:27:11] <shtrb> dadinn, as I said the letter after sd mean the connector index
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1622 [17:27:46] <shtrb> also just stick to uuid if you wish to play safe
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1624 [17:28:06] <pingfloyd> Greyztar: coreutils is what you're looking for. It's pretty standard across all gnu/linux dists
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1627 [17:28:37] <Greyztar> pingfloyd: thanks im looking at it now cheers!
1628 [17:29:23] <pingfloyd> Greyztar: really most of the gnu software, but a lot of it is separate from coreutils
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1630 [17:30:00] <dadinn> shtrb: i am writing a script which partitions a device and then formats the partitions and mounts them...
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1632 [17:30:24] <shtrb> oh that is going to be fun
1633 [17:30:25] <Greyztar> pingfloyd: ok im just looking to get atleast some commands working across multiple systems this might be the way then
1634 [17:30:29] <pingfloyd> for example gnu's tar is separate from coreutils, but the base commands aren'
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1636 [17:30:39] <dadinn> shtrb: and it is failing because I tried it on a machine with nvme SSD
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1639 [17:31:10] <dadinn> the device name is /dev/nvme0n1
1640 [17:31:15] <pingfloyd> Greyztar: here's a pretty good list replaced-url
1641 [17:31:19] <shtrb> you know if you screw up some parttions you are going to need to make some pasta ?
1642 [17:31:49] <Greyztar> pingfloyd: thanks alot ill resign to do some more reading
1643 [17:31:54] <dadinn> but the partitions, unlike with sda/sdb device names, is not just a single numeric index, but it has a p prefix
1644 [17:32:16] <shtrb> dadinn, you can enumerate all block devices ? are you really wish to touch nvme connections ?
1645 [17:32:16] <dadinn> shtrb: I want to generalize the script so it can handle these cases
1646 [17:32:42] <dadinn> shtrb: I don't undestand
1647 [17:33:07] <pingfloyd> Greyztar: this will help too replaced-url
1648 [17:33:12] <shtrb> If you will damage EFI , or recovery parttion you would need to pray to the gods to save you
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1652 [17:35:03] <dadinn> shtrb: I still don't get it, it's a new laptop with windows 10 on it, and there is a 1Tb SSD, and its path is /dev/nvme0n1
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1654 [17:35:06] <shtrb> what happen if you have a mapper, do you wish to hit internal data or external ?
1655 [17:35:35] <shtrb> you got a 1 TB nvme drive ?!
1656 [17:35:55] <dadinn> shtrb: i really don't understand what you mean
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1658 [17:36:09] <dadinn> shtrb: 1Tb yep
1659 [17:36:18] <shtrb> nvme is a connection type, a 1 TB disk is a a HUGE ssd.
1660 [17:36:20] <dadinn> shtrb: is that something bad?
1661 [17:36:47] <Greyztar> pingfloyd: is it so that some install gives you an option to install basic utils that those are the gnu ones?iirc i did an install sometime which didnt include nano though?
1662 [17:37:01] <pingfloyd> Greyztar: pretty much
1663 [17:37:06] <shtrb> dadinn, I would be happy to have a tb ssd :D it's a great hardware
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1668 [17:37:28] <pingfloyd> Greyztar: usually after a base install of any of them, you'll have coreutils and make some others. The rest you install through your package manager.
1669 [17:37:38] <pingfloyd> Greyztar: of the ones you need
1670 [17:37:47] <Greyztar> pingfloyd: yeah seems so thanks again
1671 [17:38:14] <pingfloyd> s/make/maybe/
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1674 [17:38:56] <dadinn> shtrb: well, it was in my christmas budget, my girlfriend got only socks ;)
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1677 [17:39:26] <pingfloyd> dadinn: she got you a 1tb ssd and you only got here socks?
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1679 [17:40:07] <noodlepie> I removed netcat and ran the emerge again - I get this now... ->>
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1682 [17:40:14] <dadinn> pingfloyd: no, i had to spend the resources well, so i made the best allocation for our presents :D
1683 [17:40:52] <shtrb> dadinn, sd? is for sata/pata , nvme? for nvme connection, md/dm? for raid and magic, emmc is /dev/mmcblk? etc
1684 [17:41:29] <noodlepie> oops, I meant that for #Gentoo!
1685 [17:41:31] <shtrb> Is socks some kind of a memory/disk brand ?
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1688 [17:41:54] <pingfloyd> shtrb: no. I think he meant socks you put on your feet.
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1690 [17:42:22] <shtrb> I couldn't belive a person would just give a sock as a gift after getting a 1 tb nvme disk .
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1692 [17:42:35] <dadinn> shtrb: the main thing is i want to get the partition naming scheme right, because it seems device names ending in numerics get a "p" prefix before the partition index
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1697 [17:43:32] <shtrb> that is like 400 euro for an intel nvme ssd (1tb) , that feces is expensive
1698 [17:44:12] <dadinn> shtrb: I already paid her school fees in Oxford last year, so she gets only socks for christmas ;)
1699 [17:44:15] <shtrb> dadinn, you need to get the type, and kernel version and you can extrapolite by that, you could also do fdisk -l to fund the names
1700 [17:44:43] <uio> Hi, I tried to make a bootable usb (Sandisk 32gb) with dd bs=4M if=/home/user/Downloads/boot.iso of=/dev/sdb1 BUT, it would'nt boot... it worked fine with a Kingston. I made sure to write the whole Sandisk over with zeros via gnome-disks... any thoughts?
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1702 [17:45:43] <dadinn> shtrb: so there is no simple formula?
1703 [17:45:55] <bites> uio: write it to the block device not the partition.
1704 [17:46:27] <shtrb> it's simple, if you take all the possible drivers and just regex it. you could also consider other options
1705 [17:46:28] <uio> bites: This was my last attempt, before that I had tried /sdb
1706 [17:46:58] <bites> uio: run "sync" afterwards and wait for it to return before pulling the card.
1707 [17:47:10] <shtrb> dadinn, "fdisk -l | grep 'Disk /'" would give you all identified disks for example you could work from there
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1710 [17:48:19] <shtrb> dadinn, "fdisk -l | grep '/dev'|grep -vvv Disk|cut -f1 -d' '" for all parttions locally don't just erase them !
1711 [17:48:23] <uio> bites: I'll give it a go. When it starts up, it gets to a certain step and then says that it can't find the boot file.
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1714 [17:48:27] <dadinn> shtrb: i am actually using gdisk
1715 [17:48:40] <dadinn> and these are GPT partitinos
1716 [17:48:43] <dadinn> partitions
1717 [17:48:45] <uio> bites: So the usb is bootable, but something is amiss..
1718 [17:49:04] <bites> uio: what iso is this?
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1720 [17:49:12] <uio> antix
1721 [17:49:22] <uio> it worked fine on another usb.
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1723 [17:49:46] <bites> if that doesn't work you will have to ask their support.
1724 [17:50:39] <uio> The issue is not from the iso, it works on another usb.
1725 [17:50:50] <uio> uio: I'm running Debian, thus I am here.
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1734 [17:57:31] <blueingress> Hi, I need some help for my wifi.. [kernel 4.19.0-1-amd64, version buster], when I try to boot with normal mode, the wifi not connect to network. and then I check the dmesg message:"rtl8192ce: Using firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin || rtl8192ce 0000:03:00.0: firmware: failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin (-2)"
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1736 [17:59:07] <blueingress> and then I notice it was a fireware issue: so I update the fireware for realtek "sudo apt-get update"
1737 [17:59:10] <blueingress> sudo apt-get install firmware-realtek
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1740 [18:01:23] <blueingress> and then reboot with no warning in dmesg message. but the same problem remain "wifi not connec to network"
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1742 [18:02:55] <blueingress> Anyway, I try to use the same kernel version with recovery mode .... do nothing and just do "systemctl default", and it works....
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1745 [18:03:43] <blueingress> anyone give some suggestion? thanks.
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1764 [18:11:13] <transhumanist> hi I am using mariadb and cant seem to reset the root password or a user password and actually have it stick I am running skip-grant-tables and skip-networking and it seems to take but the passwords seem not to work
1765 [18:11:20] <transhumanist> any ideas? thanks in advance
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1767 [18:12:22] <jim> transhumanist, is there data in the db?
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1769 [18:12:34] <transhumanist> nope
1770 [18:12:37] <transhumanist> not yet
1771 [18:13:02] <jim> if there's no data, maybe you can purge the mariadb server and install it again?
1772 [18:13:17] <dadinn> shtrb: ok I starting to understand it, so based on the device type (hd*, sd*, nvme*, etc.), I should now how the partition index should be written (wether just a numeric, or with a "p" prefix)
1773 [18:13:47] <transhumanist> for future I would like to know why it doesn't take changing the password, seems odd not sure if this is because I did a secure installation
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1776 [18:14:23] <dadinn> shtrb: now there are 2 question: 1) what are all the possible device types? 2) does the "p" prefix only apply to nvme drives?
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1778 [18:14:48] <dadinn> * drives/devices
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1780 [18:15:11] <jim> transhumanist, or maybe you can dpkg-reconfigure it, and it will set the passwords... maybe there's info in /usr/share/doc/maria*?
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1784 [18:17:40] <transhumanist> actually thanks jim I am trying mysqladmin seems to have taken it, will check in a minute
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1786 [18:18:06] <jim> transhumanist, could you run: ls -CFd /usr/share/doc/maria* | nc termbin.com 9999
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1789 [18:19:54] <jim> transhumanist, it might be helpful in the future to learn what CLI commands are run by doing those operations in mysqladmin
1790 [18:20:22] <jim> it may or may not be a good idea to depend on mysqladmin
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1795 [18:22:07] <transhumanist> replaced-url
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1800 [18:23:28] <jim> (about termbin: if you have nc installed, you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command, for example ls -CF if you run it like this: ls -CF | nc termbin.com 9999)
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1802 [18:25:19] <transhumanist> not sure what the fix is but this might be a clue
1803 [18:25:22] <transhumanist> This is due to,MySQL is using unix_socket plugin instead of mysql_native_password plugin for root user which means mysql trusts the credentials of Linux root user. If you are loggied in with linux root user, MySQL won't ask for saperate credentials for MySQL root user. Hence even after changing password successfully for MySQL root user, it was connecting with No password.
1804 [18:25:58] <transhumanist> I have even rebooted so that doesnt seem likely unless its saving it in /var/run or something
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1813 [18:29:59] <jim> transhumanist, ok, so at least that would be your way in
1814 [18:30:46] <shtrb> dadinn, no you have the p also in mmcblk names
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1817 [18:31:06] <shtrb> why are you writing such a generic script in the first place ?
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1819 [18:31:54] <shtrb> Are you know the exact parttion number that need to be erased (always the n'th parttion ? ) of the y'th drive. what happen if you have more than one drive ?
1820 [18:33:27] <transhumanist> jim, but what I am saying is I dont know what that means so what would be the fix? editing a config file somewhere so it doesnt start using unix_socket?
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1829 [18:38:13] <ikus060> Hello, have an issue with my system. The IO wait is near 97%. II'm trying to figure why and what io operation is causing the problemé
1830 [18:38:25] <ikus060> Is is possible to strace all the io operation some how ?
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1832 [18:39:46] <petn-randall> ikus060: I'd install iotop and look what is causing the I/O.
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1851 [18:52:03] <p0lyph3m> ikus060: i had once a bad sector on disk and updatedb cronjob triggered it beeing as you said extreme io , even if uptime didnt report "much load"
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1853 [18:53:00] <jmcnaught> transhumanist: where you looking at /usr/share/doc/mariadb-server-10.1/README.Debian.gz? You don't really need a mariadb root user password if only the root system user can connect to it. In that same document it shows how to give grant permissions to another database user that can optionally have a password set
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1861 [18:57:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
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1863 [18:57:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> need some help with network interfaces
1864 [18:57:42] <transhumanist> ok thanks jmcnaught
1865 [18:57:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am geting guest nics like this veth6IJQFU@if20
1866 [18:58:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> and i need them to be static again so i can put them in my interface bride on my host like eno1 eno2 etc
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1911 [19:36:34] <avernos> how can i install a package for a different kernel from backports? i have a machine upgraded the stable kernel, but the display is running on backports and they dont get along..
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1920 [19:46:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok for all of humanity
1921 [19:46:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> vethT1D0D9
1922 [19:46:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> it keeps changin my veth interface on my guest
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1925 [19:50:04] <yann-kaelig> Hi. How can I prevent to switch the default route to my secondary network interface in the /etc/network/interfaces file ?
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1940 [19:54:45] <Sepultura> Hallo
1941 [19:55:20] <Sepultura> I installed debian fresh and it has the annoying speech it reads the console output :<
1942 [19:55:27] <Sepultura> How do I disable this crap?
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1947 [19:57:43] <yann-kaelig> I have two network interface configured in interface file, the first is dhcp for the internet , and the second static for local network. I don't know why the default route switch to the second network interface
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1971 [20:09:20] <L1nuxg33k> Sepultura look in Control Center and Assitive Technologies
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2015 [20:32:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> Eryn_1983_FL | ok guys i keep getting the random nic names on guest and host can somebody help me out pls see details here
2016 [20:32:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> | replaced-url
2017 [20:32:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> lxc on debian
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2040 [20:46:09] <jim> transhumanist, hi, had to step out, just got back
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2049 [20:48:37] <rant> Sepultura: apt remove speech-dispatcher
2050 [20:48:41] <rant> Sepultura: just a guess..
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2052 [20:48:58] <rant> Sepultura: did you install from a live media?
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2057 [20:51:49] <L1nuxg33k> ~/names
2058 [20:51:53] <L1nuxg33k> whoops
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2063 [20:55:41] <rant> there it is
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2068 [20:58:21] <dadinn> shtrb: thanks, I think i got it correct now
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2072 [21:01:38] <shtrb> Sorry, I got a readonly system so I was out for a while
2073 [21:01:43] <shtrb> I'm happy for yo
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2107 [21:27:33] <galaxie> Any way to intercept a second, USB keyboard's keys and remapping them, different from the main keyboard?
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2111 [21:28:04] <zleap> why do you need two keyboards ?
2112 [21:28:37] <zleap> however given unix / linux is multiuser it may be possible
2113 [21:28:52] <shtrb> *multiseat
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2115 [21:29:15] <zleap> so you have 2 keyboards plugged in to the same computer
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2119 [21:29:53] <zleap> shtrb: replaced-url
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2121 [21:29:57] <zleap> like that ?
2122 [21:30:08] <whislock> I'm having NCIS flashbacks...
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2125 [21:30:53] <shtrb> zleap I suggested multiseat for galaxie which he may find usefull if he have two keyboards
2126 [21:31:04] <zleap> oops sorry
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2128 [21:31:41] <shtrb> whislock, call magee he will help you
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2132 [21:32:26] <shtrb> whislock, and if you both type on the same keyboard you can double the work !
2133 [21:32:51] <zleap> i am guessing you have 2 monitors then
2134 [21:33:00] <zleap> could be handy for collaborative editors
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2136 [21:33:46] <shtrb> McGee, sorry I misspelled his name
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2143 [21:35:35] <shtrb> zleap, replaced-url
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2155 [21:39:19] <galaxie> zleap: Interested. I'll look into it.
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2164 [21:41:38] <galaxie> Ah, so XKB can be device-specific; I assume it can handle more than one keyboard at a time?
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2203 [22:00:15] <rant> I wouldve thought it was magee too based on the way they say it in the show
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2206 [22:00:30] <rant> and the fact he doesnt seem irish :P
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2232 [22:21:48] <daniele-> how do i get debug logging from systemd-nspawn?
2233 [22:22:02] <daniele-> SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug systemd-nspawn -D nixos
2234 [22:22:07] <daniele-> does not do it
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2239 [22:25:01] <phy1729> The debian 9 docker image doesn't have any deb-src lines in sources.list which apt-get build-dep requires. What is the suggested method to add those lines? Should I just append deb-src replaced-url
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2242 [22:27:18] <rant> that'd be how its done
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2244 [22:28:13] <shtrb> Isn't the "Debian" docker image a non official image ?
2245 [22:28:56] <shtrb> A work of a dedicated developer, but not "true" debian
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2256 [22:33:59] <phy1729> Seems that's the case. Maintained by DDs but not Debian itself replaced-url
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2258 [22:36:36] <darkcart> howdy
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2304 [22:56:28] <rawtaz> hi there
2305 [22:56:42] <zleap> like that ? hi rawtaz
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2307 [22:57:21] <rawtaz> im reading replaced-url
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2309 [22:57:43] <rawtaz> so, my question is; why is exim default if postfix is what the documentation walks you through, and arguably also what most people like to use?
2310 [22:57:47] <rawtaz> why not just use postfix by default
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2329 [23:06:10] <darkcart> my bet is they just haven't changed it in such a long time and it's such a low priority issue that they just keep it
2330 [23:07:01] <zleap> or they go by the motto "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
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2333 [23:07:28] <darkcart> that too
2334 [23:07:31] <darkcart> can't blame them honestly
2335 [23:07:31] <rawtaz> then again, if it aint used, dont keep it :D
2336 [23:07:42] <darkcart> i assure you SOMEBODY uses it
2337 [23:07:48] <rawtaz> of course
2338 [23:07:50] <darkcart> and that somebody would be pissed if debian axed support
2339 [23:07:55] <rawtaz> but if it's 10% of the installs,..
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2342 [23:08:06] <rawtaz> well they dont need to axe support for it, just change the default
2343 [23:08:12] <johnfg> hi folks
2344 [23:08:15] <darkcart> hi john
2345 [23:08:19] <rawtaz> but i was just curious
2346 [23:08:21] <rawtaz> thanks!
2347 [23:08:26] <darkcart> np
2348 [23:08:32] <darkcart> i guess?
2349 [23:08:41] <rawtaz> :>
2350 [23:08:58] <johnfg> I've got a new installation of buster. Installing php, and it recommended php-mcrypt, but it doesn't appear to be available for testing. Is there a replacement?
2351 [23:09:55] <darkcart> if it's just recommended you could probably skip it and be fine
2352 [23:10:05] <darkcart> it's actually deprecated in php7
2353 [23:10:30] <darkcart> what php version are you installing?
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2355 [23:11:04] <johnfg> 7.3, as this is needed for typo3 cms.
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2357 [23:11:37] <johnfg> That's why I'm running testing, wanted to try the newest typo3, and it needs 7.2 or higher.
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2359 [23:12:24] <darkcart> ...huh
2360 [23:12:31] <darkcart> it requires mcrypt and php 7.2 or higher?
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2363 [23:13:19] <johnfg> Not the mcrypt specifically, but when installing 7.3, deb recommended it (which recommends I don't always follow)
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2365 [23:14:22] <darkcart> according to what i'm reading php 7.2 removed mcrypt support entirely
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2367 [23:14:31] <darkcart> so i guess just ignore the recommendation
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2369 [23:15:10] <johnfg> darkcart: Ok, thanks for checking that out. I checked on the typo3 php extensions, and they don't list mcrypt (which would make sense).
2370 [23:15:32] <darkcart> alright yeah that makes more sense
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