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• 3[00:00:48] <rant> lispmacs: yes, its available.. in the future.. heh
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• 6[00:01:36] <rant> !stretch
• 7[00:01:36] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see replaced-url
• 8[00:01:47] <rant> !9.6
• 9[00:01:47] <dpkg> Debian 9.6 was released on Nov 10, 2018. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Further details are at replaced-url
• 10[00:02:06] <lispmacs> rant: I got the email this morning from release team saying 9.7 is released
• 11[00:02:08] <whislock> replaced-url
• 12[00:02:16] <whislock> "New installation images will be available soon at the regular locations."
• 13[00:02:20] <rant> ah.. that news apparently hasnt reached us yet
• 14[00:02:41] <whislock> rant: I wasn't aware your Internet was delivered by U-Haul.
• 15[00:02:45] <rant> heh
• 16[00:03:13] <whislock> lispmacs: Images likely haven't made it to the mirrors yet.
• 17[00:03:20] <rant> lispmacs: you are aware of the fact there will be little to no difference in use of a 9.6 and a 9.7 netinst.. if even any of the packages it contains have actually been updated
• 18[00:03:41] <rant> considering you're going to use it to netinst and the latest packages can be fetched with any installer
• 19[00:03:41] <lispmacs> rant: I don't want 9.6 because of that apt vulnerability
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• 22[00:03:50] <jmcnaught> i would wait for the 9.7 image for a new install so that you don't have the apt vulnerability
• 23[00:03:51] <rant> ah I see
• 24[00:04:16] <lispmacs> is there a root mirror or somethign that has the 9.7 image yet?
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• 30[00:06:08] <murii> replaced-url
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• 32[00:06:23] <murii> can someone help me figuring out a solution for this?
• 33[00:06:29] <murii> happens to other 3D games as well
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• 36[00:07:50] <amvodf> How do I tell my x-terminal-emulator that my stterm terminal program in my home folder in a terminal emulator? I've traid doing a symbolic link to my home folder in my /usr/bin/ folder , but stterm doesn't show up when I do "update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator"
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• 44[00:10:30] <rant> murii: I dont see anything that needs fixing
• 45[00:11:18] <rant> unless you expect me to know what that game is, and that the car isnt suppose to be black
• 46[00:11:36] <rant> in which case you're expecting way too much
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• 67[00:16:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o themill
• 68[00:16:55] *** themill changes topic to 'Debian Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.7 ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch ; /msg dpkg install stretch | Oldstable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.11 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing, unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog'
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• 70[00:17:04] <themill> td: s/9.6/9.7/
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• 75[00:18:15] <jmcnaught> amvodf: for most desktop environments you can put a new .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications (for a single user) or /usr/local/share/applications (for all users). replaced-url
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• 78[00:19:11] <jmcnaught> amvodf: you definitely don't want to be creating symlinks in /usr or modifying it in anyway. The /usr hierarchy is reserved for files from packages, use the /usr/local hierarchy for stuff you compile locally
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• 82[00:19:53] <violentE> thats a correction, I don't actually make the connection, that is the network-manager says its connected to the vpn but I can't make a network call. Also this is so for multiple vpn providers and connections
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• 112[00:42:21] <bittin> Is there any new ISO files for 9.7 ?
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• 115[00:44:29] <EdePopede> replaced-url
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• 119[00:46:19] <bittin> EdePopede: okay thanks for the info
• 120[00:47:21] <EdePopede> bittin: 2 packages only affected, it seems
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• 122[00:48:39] <Tarrasquero> only base-files?
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• 124[00:51:37] <EdePopede> and apt as i read the ChangeLog
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• 128[00:54:24] <bittin> EdePopede: yep only security fixes for apt and some small bugfixes
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• 131[00:55:35] <amvodf> is it okay to edit some files the /etc/ hierarchy ?
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• 136[00:59:43] <amvodf> because I forced x-terminal-emulator in my /etc/alternatives to point to /home/user/stterm/st program
• 137[00:59:52] <amvodf> Seems to work
• 138[01:00:02] <amvodf> using symbolic link
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• 151[01:05:25] <EdePopede> amvodf: sure, but some programs use an additional directory for local changes, you'd have to check. and for the symlinks you should use update-alternatives
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• 158[01:09:09] <amvodf> EdePopede, when I use "update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator" it prompts me with a selection of terminals I can choose from only in /usr/bin. It doesn't show the stterm that's located in /usr/local/bin. So I used "ln -f -s"
• 159[01:11:01] <amvodf> My bad, I meant to say earlier that I did I symbolic link to /usr/local/bin, not from my home directory.
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• 161[01:13:08] <amvodf> I mean , I could had have an stterm in the /usr/bin by doing "apt-get install stterm",but since this a suckless program it doesn't provide configuration files, so I had to configure by source.
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• 165[01:14:35] <EdePopede> amvodf: looks like you could use --install
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• 170[01:15:39] <EdePopede> suckless? nice. planned to install all of their stuff on that other machine into a system
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• 182[01:22:17] <amvodf> EdePopede, He's doing the suckless challenge if you haven't seen: replaced-url
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• 191[01:25:04] <SlidingHorn> amvodf: Saw that the other day on DT
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• 195[01:28:35] <Heston> with debian stable, why does chromium ask for a root password?
• 196[01:29:19] <rwp> Heston, What?!
• 197[01:30:47] <Heston> well it's asking me to unlock my login keyring
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• 199[01:31:38] <jmcnaught> that's not a root password unless you're logged in as root
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• 201[01:33:08] <jmcnaught> it's gnome-keyring (or an equivalent) asking you to unlock the keyring for the purpose of storing saved passwords
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• 206[01:37:19] <Heston> I misspoke, I was confused because I dont have a root password set but I'm a sudoer, which the same password could be used for
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• 210[01:39:34] <jmcnaught> well it would be pretty alarming if a web browser asked for your sudo password
• 211[01:40:40] <Heston> and that's the thing, isn't it asking me for my login password? The same one I use to sudo?
• 212[01:41:45] <jmcnaught> I don't know what desktop environment you're using, but the default on GNOME is that the keyring is unlocked when you login
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• 239[02:01:20] <rwp> As I walk out the door I will say I have seen that GNOME keyring prompt too. I forget what the solution to it was... (I don't use GNOME myself.) But have seen it and if you search for it you will find a lot of people with the same problem.
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• 259[02:21:54] <strixdio> hey, I have a USB wifi adapter, RT5370.. no SSIDs show up? iwlist [dev] scan shows nothing...
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• 261[02:22:30] <strixdio> works fine when in gentoo
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• 263[02:22:40] <strixdio> I'm just not sure where to go in debian. any thoughts?
• 264[02:23:53] <met> check the system logs; maybe it needs firmware?
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• 267[02:26:09] <strixdio> met: I did install firmware-ralink..
• 268[02:26:38] <strixdio> originally nm was telling me firmware was missing, so I installed that, but now it just doesn't show ssids
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• 274[02:29:20] <strixdio> wtf
• 275[02:29:27] <strixdio> it loads rt2870.bin
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• 288[02:36:13] <strixdio> this is kinda stupid
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• 290[02:39:56] <klys> ,v libreoffice-common
• 291[02:39:57] <judd> Package: libreoffice-common on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u11; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-backports: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4; stretch-security: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4; sid: 1:5.4.3-4; stretch-backports: 1:6.0.5-1~bpo9+1; sid: 1:6.0.5-1; stretch-backports: 1:6.0.6~rc1-1~bpo9+1; stretch-backports:
• 292[02:39:58] <judd> 1:6.1.1~rc1-2~bpo9+1; stretch-backports: 1:6.1.2-1~bpo9+1; stretch-backports: 1:6.1.4-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:6.1.4-4; sid: 1:6.1.4-4; experimental: 1:6.2.0~alpha1-1; experimental: 1:6.2.0~beta1-1; experimental: 1:6.2.0~rc2-1
• 293[02:40:18] <klys> guess I need experimental
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• 300[02:50:17] <srruby> Where do i buy an inexpensive ssl cert ? For hobbyist use.
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• 302[02:50:35] <whislock> Lets Encrypt.
• 303[02:51:06] <SlidingHorn> srruby: as whislock says...use lets encrypt/certbot - free TLS certificate
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• 319[03:03:03] <EdePopede> replaced-url
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• 334[03:11:18] <pagetelegram> What's the name of the Debian distro with non-free driver support? Was mentioned in this channel couple days ago. DAHL or something?
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• 347[03:18:01] <EdePopede> !firmware images
• 348[03:18:02] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
• 349[03:18:07] <EdePopede> pagetelegram, this? --^
• 350[03:19:17] <kwami> debian 9.7 realead
• 351[03:19:28] <kwami> debian 9.7 released
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• 353[03:20:00] <kwami> how do I join a hackers server
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• 364[03:27:10] <jorja> Does anyone know of a way to share Vudu tv shows to a Amazon firestick
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• 388[03:49:18] <pagetelegram> Thank you Ed, kwami I suppose the 9.7 address security concerns mentioned here earlier on apt?
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• 393[03:51:58] <ryouma> just ooc, is it possible in practice (i realize this is not possible in principle) to determine whether your regular upgrade of apt pwned you?
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• 398[03:53:26] <jorja> Does anyone know of a way to share Vudu tv shows to a Amazon firestick
• 399[03:53:28] <ryouma> i.e. if you upgrade to the fixed app, and that upgrade gets exploited, are there any likely traces anyplace?
• 400[03:53:34] <ryouma> apt*
• 401[03:53:58] <factor> Does the debian phpmyadmin package have a way to install it and hook to a remote sql server instead of install local sql server?
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• 409[04:00:30] <whislock> factor: Is there something wrong with the default mysql client?
• 410[04:00:46] <joepublic> jorja you are repeatedly asking a yes/no question the answers to which are unlikely to help you.
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• 413[04:02:57] <jorja> Someone would know
• 414[04:03:29] <joepublic> but whichever answer you get, "yeah someone knows" or "nope no one knows", leaves *you* not knowing.
• 415[04:03:51] <joepublic> it's often helpful to just ask what you want to know and then wait patiently.
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• 418[04:04:34] <jorja> I did ask what IO want to know
• 419[04:04:57] <factor> <whislock> What is the default mysql web client?
• 420[04:05:24] <whislock> factor: There isn't one. Is there something wrong with the mysql cli?
• 421[04:05:33] <joepublic> okay. Then the answer to what you want to know is "no." My apologies for misunderstanding.
• 422[04:05:41] <EdePopede> jorja: the answer doesn't come quicker if you ask multiple times. neither do people not now while reading your initial question, but after the repetition.
• 423[04:05:57] <factor> I installing a cloud web acess no cli access.
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• 425[04:06:33] <joepublic> shared web hosting is called "cloud" now?
• 426[04:07:27] <whislock> factor: Then I suggest finding a new host. Exposing a MySQL frontend via a web interface is a recipe for getting hacked.
• 427[04:07:37] <factor> joepublic, cloud is automated mass installsetup.
• 428[04:07:55] <factor> Its not its in the pirvate cloud
• 429[04:08:11] <joepublic> factor, thanks. I don't understand what is and isn't cloud very well.
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• 440[04:12:04] <factor> Cloud is also a way to make service salable and monitor it.
• 441[04:12:27] <factor> scale able^
• 442[04:13:10] <factor> I will have to put the phpmyadmin on the sql server bank.
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• 464[04:33:11] <pagetelegram> Anything I need to know at the finalization of intalling grub if I'm installing to a thumb drive though intend to use thumb on one computer exclusively do I tell it to install grub on thumb or computer HD?
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• 466[04:34:30] <sammm> hey all, weird issue with apt-get, I have a custom repo which I ahve in my sources.list, there are no source files so I don't have a source entry for my repo
• 467[04:34:57] <jorja> Does anyone know of a way to share Vudu tv shows to a Amazon firestick
• 468[04:34:57] <whislock> factor: You SHOULD learn how to use the mysql CLI, and the fact that you don't need to run it on the database server.
• 469[04:35:11] <awal1> pagetelegram, I personally don't get you
• 470[04:35:13] <whislock> factor: phpmyadmin is a security nightmare. You're receiving this warning for a very good reason.
• 471[04:35:30] <sammm> when I am running apt-get --assume-yes download package=version, it'll fail with unable to download source
• 472[04:35:33] <joepublic> mysql -u username -h hostname
• 473[04:35:36] <awal1> you wanna install debian in your computer or in your usb key?
• 474[04:35:38] <sammm> E: Can't find a source to download version '1.4.10' of 'package:amd64'
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• 476[04:35:43] <joepublic> oh yeah, -p
• 477[04:35:47] <klys> pagetelegram, conventionally you'd install grub to the device with your root partition.
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• 479[04:35:58] <pagetelegram> Last I tried installing deb9.6 on thumb couple nights ago it just boot to "missing operating system"
• 480[04:35:59] <awal1> if in your pc so grub in the pc, if in usb so in the usb
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• 482[04:36:16] <awal1> i may no understand you :P
• 483[04:36:38] <pagetelegram> thanks awal1: that answers my concern. Don't know why tho I get missing OS on boot.
• 484[04:36:55] <pagetelegram> Trying it again tonight.
• 485[04:37:01] <awal1> where are you installing your debian system?
• 486[04:37:03] <pagetelegram> This time with the non-free download
• 487[04:37:20] <pagetelegram> On a USB thumb 16gb.
• 488[04:37:22] <klys> pagetelegram, are you using mbr?
• 489[04:37:41] <awal1> so grub should be in the thumb too
• 490[04:38:14] <pagetelegram> I'm installing from the CD net install to the thumb direct. I do not recall prompts about master booot record.
• 491[04:38:29] <pagetelegram> Im in the first stage of the install atm
• 492[04:38:43] <klys> pagetelegram, do you install grub to a partition?
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• 495[04:39:25] <pagetelegram> I was letting the installer script decide that...and yes it was installed to the thumb partition that resulted in the "missing OS"
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• 499[04:40:02] <joepublic> last time I used a thumb drive a made a partition table on it, then made a data partition and a swap partition, then installed. usb sticks do not necessarily have a partition table.
• 500[04:40:08] <pagetelegram> Should I have created a partition for grub in the beginning, such as a few megs?
• 501[04:40:11] <joepublic> *for installing
• 502[04:40:18] <klys> pagetelegram, then if you have it on a partition, you may need an mbr from the mbr package `install-mbr -f /dev/sdb` for example.
• 503[04:40:49] <klys> that loads the boot sector from the active partition.
• 504[04:40:50] <pagetelegram> thanks that will help....missing key. Jotting that down now.
• 505[04:40:58] <joepublic> once you make a partition table on the usb stick, it has an mbr and grub wants to install on it.
• 506[04:41:32] <klys> things are totally different though if you use efi/gpt.
• 507[04:42:39] <pagetelegram> It is a newer laptop though no efi....a Getac b300x circa 2012 or 2011 first or second i7 series
• 508[04:43:17] <klys> if you are using efi, you should put /boot in the first 1024 cylinders of your disk.
• 509[04:43:21] <klys> erm
• 510[04:43:33] <klys> if you are using mbr (not efi), you should put /boot in the first 1024 cylinders of your disk.
• 511[04:43:59] <pagetelegram> How do I confirm weather it use efi without having to restart and go in BIOS?
• 512[04:44:11] <klys> the way you can partition cylinders is fdisk -u=cylinders /dev/sdb (for example.)
• 513[04:44:51] <klys> if you're using efi/gpt, you should be aware. you'd be using gdisk instead of fdisk.
• 514[04:47:11] <awal1> pagetelegram, try "ls /sys/firmware/efi"
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• 519[04:47:53] <awal1> not find mean not efi
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• 522[04:48:08] <awal1> not found mean not efi
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• 524[04:49:10] <awal1> well, that for an already installed system; not sure out of that
• 525[04:49:59] <pagetelegram> true....chicken and egg problem, though I suppose when install finished I just peek in the BIOS and maybe it has EFI on off switch
• 526[04:50:07] <awal1> I mean that checks if your system is booted in efi or in bios
• 527[04:50:47] <awal1> you , you want find out if your machine come with bios or uefi I guess?
• 528[04:50:51] <klys> pagetelegram, have you enabled a compatibility support module or "legacy boot" or anything like that in the bios? does your computer boot to a shell?
• 529[04:51:44] <pagetelegram> Why efi established anyhow? It seems to put a wrench in alternative operating systems. >klys I do have legacy boot set to ON, I suppose that is for OS/2, originally....the 64mb thing
• 530[04:52:44] <pagetelegram> first part of install almost finished. 2nd part is when it downloads extras....I'm just doing SSH and term tools.
• 531[04:52:53] <klys> pagetelegram, then you're using mbr.
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• 533[04:53:26] <pagetelegram> ok great...so I issue that mbr command if is incomplete install.
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• 535[04:54:14] <pagetelegram> do I issue to specific partiition or to the device drive of USB, what ever that maybe?
• 536[04:54:24] <klys> pagetelegram, most folks choose to install grub2 to the mbr. that command is for when you have grub installed to a partition like grub-install /dev/sdb1 (for example.)
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• 538[04:59:00] <pagetelegram> All of your help so far is amazing getting me doing stuff in console Debian. Feeling accomplished. I just wish I started my old CF-29 with the non-free unofficial net install. I did put non-free in the repos afterwards, just wondering if anything more I could do to get wifi up and running. I like it needs the iwiwifi2000 library and my Getac use the 6000 library one.
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• 540[04:59:49] <klys> wifi firmware is in non-free or contrib, so you'll have to edit your sources.list
• 541[05:00:29] <klys> oh I see you did that.
• 542[05:00:30] <pagetelegram> I got that far...just not sure I think the 2000 wifi stuff installed already. I might just need a utility that connects me to wifi in console mode.
• 543[05:01:07] <pagetelegram> nm-cli was as far as I got and can't confirm if it sees wifi or not.
• 544[05:01:16] <klys> you need the firmware-iwlwifi package for starters, not too clear on the bluetooth or what the other one is.
• 545[05:01:51] <pagetelegram> Yeah I got that installed already....I do not know what tool I use to connect to a wifi hot spot.
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• 547[05:02:14] <pagetelegram> I like the tool that TinyCore uses alot I just don't know what it is called
• 548[05:02:25] <klys> wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf &
• 549[05:02:33] <klys> for example
• 550[05:02:54] <klys> and then you get your ip and nameservers with dhclient -d wlan0
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• 553[05:04:22] <klys> if you need an example wpa_supplicant.conf, I can help you with that, though you have to fill in some details such as TKIP vs. CCMP, etc.
• 554[05:07:32] <pagetelegram> exit 255 with wpa_supplicant command
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• 556[05:07:58] <klys> did it not find the .conf file?
• 557[05:08:14] <klys> or was the interface not named wlan0 ?
• 558[05:08:32] <klys> you can find the interface with iwconfig -a
• 559[05:09:17] <klys> other packages you may need include wireless-tools, net-tools, ...
• 560[05:09:21] <jorja> Does anyone know of a way to share Vudu tv shows to a Amazon firestick
• 561[05:10:21] <pagetelegram> yeah net-tools I was missing. Thanks
• 562[05:11:06] <pagetelegram> iwconfig -a returns "no device"
• 563[05:11:11] <jorja> Does anyone know of a way to share Vudu tv shows to a Amazon firestick
• 564[05:11:33] <klys> pagetelegram, try just iwconfig
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• 566[05:12:10] <pagetelegram> enp2s0 no wireless extensions. also lo same
• 567[05:12:58] <klys> pagetelegram, you may need a couple of these: `depmod -a' and `modprobe iwlwifi'
• 568[05:14:49] <klys> if you have the right firmware and your wifi is iwlwifi (not, say, iwl4965), then that should add the device.
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• 570[05:15:45] <pagetelegram> What is that hardware prob command lsdb or something? I need to start taking notes somehow all these useful commands.
• 571[05:16:05] <klys> pagetelegram, lspci -vvv; lsmod; lsusb
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• 573[05:16:42] <jorja> Does anyone know of a way to share Vudu tv shows to a Amazon firestick
• 574[05:17:40] <pagetelegram> lspci -vvv; lsmod; lsusb > file does not pipe contents to the file
• 575[05:17:40] <whislock> jorja: You keep asking the same question. It's not a good question. Try sharing what you've tried, what's not working, and how this is relevant to Debian.
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• 577[05:18:03] <klys> pagetelegram, those are three separate commands. you would need three separate pipes.
• 578[05:18:14] <pagetelegram> gotcha thanks
• 579[05:20:07] <pagetelegram> full hardware output: replaced-url
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• 581[05:21:21] <dvs> Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG
• 582[05:21:54] <klys> pagetelegram, time to google for [linux Intel Wireless 2915ABG Calexico2] and perhaps kconfig
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• 584[05:22:27] <dvs> ipw2200
• 585[05:22:39] <pagetelegram> Yea was just gonna mention ^
• 586[05:22:39] <klys> pagetelegram, modprobe ipw2200
• 587[05:22:45] <pagetelegram> ok
• 588[05:23:08] <dvs> replaced-url
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• 593[05:27:28] <pagetelegram> installed the non-free....might it require a reboot of system or a service? such as service [name] reset?
• 594[05:27:52] <klys> you need to do this: `rmmod ipw2200; modprobe ipw2200'
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• 596[05:28:43] <pagetelegram> success! wlp6s2 IEEE 802.11 ESSID:off/any
• 597[05:29:29] <klys> pagetelegram, first things first, ifconfig wlp6s2 0.0.0.0 up; iwlist wlp6s2 scan | less;
• 598[05:30:00] <klys> then find your network in the list, and see the group and pairwise ciphers.
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• 602[05:32:12] <klys> if it isn't working, look into: dmesg | less;
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• 604[05:32:29] <pagetelegram> Yea it s working....a lot to dig through tho.
• 605[05:33:58] <pagetelegram> Anyone make a cheatsheet PDF of all these wonderful commands? Only way it is gonna stick is repetition with a cheat sheet reference.
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• 608[05:35:15] <klys> most of this stuff is in the wiki; you can put one together and post it or let me know and I might upload to my replaced-url
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• 613[05:38:08] <pagetelegram> Sounds good....foss makes a beginners one....the linux bash shel cheat sheet is much more comprehensive. however doesn't go into networking. It will take me a while to get my brain together to create one ---- it will be a good exersize for me.
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• 627[05:49:48] <pagetelegram> dhclient loaded ok...not sure what it does...now seeing that debbie sees my wifi and can talk to it...what command can I use to actually choose and connect to a hot spot?
• 628[05:50:57] <klys> pagetelegram, the command to connect to a hot spot was `wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlp6s2 -c /etc/wp_supplicant.conf'
• 629[05:51:07] <klys> well
• 630[05:51:13] <klys> pagetelegram, the command to connect to a hot spot was `wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlp6s2 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf'
• 631[05:51:32] <klys> and you need to create the file
• 632[05:51:47] <pagetelegram> I was afraid of that
• 633[05:52:10] <klys> and then `dhclient -d wlp6s2' should work to replace /etc/resolv.conf and give you an ip.
• 634[05:52:29] <hiya> is 512MB ram enough to host a email server with postfix + dovecot with/without webmail on Debian server?
• 635[05:52:41] <klys> do you want an example? or can you tell me your ciphers and I'll build off that?
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• 637[05:53:00] <pagetelegram> yeah....second
• 638[05:53:40] <pagetelegram> Sending on LPF/wlp6s2/4a:2c:c3:a5:72:89
• 639[05:53:49] <pagetelegram> what are ciphers?
• 640[05:54:17] <klys> those are the group and pairwise fields
• 641[05:54:33] <klys> it should be either CCMP or TKIP.
• 642[05:55:42] <pagetelegram> how can I output what that is on my screen?
• 643[05:55:56] <klys> do you have X running?
• 644[05:56:15] <pagetelegram> no x11 just console and ssh
• 645[05:56:21] <klys> apt-get install gpm
• 646[05:56:25] <klys> well
• 647[05:56:32] <klys> just make a note of it for now
• 648[05:56:44] <klys> it should be easy enough to find
• 649[05:57:01] <klys> with iwlist wlp6s2 scan | less
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• 651[05:58:10] <pagetelegram> iwlist - what package has that command?
• 652[05:58:17] <klys> wireless-tools
• 653[05:58:40] <klys> the one with iwconfig
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• 666[06:07:54] <klys> pagetelegrem, how're you doing?
• 667[06:08:03] <klys> pagetelegram, how're you doing?
• 668[06:10:39] <pagetelegram> lost where we left off and dismayed that I can't even get eth0 working on my Getac...I probably need a little break
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• 670[06:11:10] <klys> pagetelegram, would like to help, let me know if/when you're up for it.
• 671[06:11:46] <pagetelegram> Yeah I'm up for it...how do I find out if I have CCMP or TKIP? The Wifi connections I have are WPA
• 672[06:11:54] <klys> do you have iwlist?
• 673[06:12:09] <pagetelegram> No that wasn't working even though I have wifi-tools installed
• 674[06:12:10] <klys> it's the wireless-tools package
• 675[06:12:11] <pagetelegram> command not foudn
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• 677[06:12:32] <pagetelegram> oh its working
• 678[06:12:48] <klys> cool!
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• 680[06:14:27] <pagetelegram> here I think: replaced-url
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• 683[06:15:04] <klys> pagetelegram, which network would you like to configure?
• 684[06:15:04] <pagetelegram> I would connect to cell 4
• 685[06:15:28] <klys> ok hold...
• 686[06:15:54] <pagetelegram> pwd for that network is 'greenrain' I do not use that pwd anywhere else fyi
• 687[06:16:02] <klys> kthx
• 688[06:17:23] <klys> pagetelegram, replaced-url
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• 691[06:18:05] <klys> oh I put CCMP in pairwise twice. that's a typo: pairwise=CCMP
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• 694[06:18:50] <klys> pagetelegram, that's the whole file you'll need at /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
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• 698[06:19:46] <pagetelegram> fixed...cp it over ...second
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• 701[06:23:19] <pagetelegram> wpa_supplicant command as provided is not seeing the syntax you provided correctly. The /etc/wpa-supplicant.conf file is there and does contain your input.
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• 703[06:23:38] <klys> what is your wpa_supplicant commandline?
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• 705[06:24:26] <pagetelegram> wpa_supplicant -Dwext -wlp6s2 /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
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• 708[06:24:33] <klys> ah
• 709[06:24:49] <klys> wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlp6s2 /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
• 710[06:24:58] <klys> note I added an i
• 711[06:25:13] <pagetelegram> ahh
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• 714[06:25:37] <pagetelegram> wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlp6s2 /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf <- still no go :/
• 715[06:25:48] <klys> you also probably want this process running in the background.
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• 718[06:26:11] <pagetelegram> Still does noth'n
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• 720[06:26:36] <klys> hmm. do you see any message?
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• 722[06:26:54] <klys> also make sure you have the module loaded
• 723[06:27:00] <pagetelegram> just outputs the help
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• 725[06:27:11] <pagetelegram> is that modprobe the loader?
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• 728[06:28:13] <klys> oh you need a -c
• 729[06:28:25] <klys> wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlp6s2 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf &
• 730[06:28:28] <klys> my bad
• 731[06:29:04] <pagetelegram> wpa_supplicant -Dwext -wlp6s2 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf <----this still not working...yikes :P
• 732[06:29:14] <klys> you need the i also
• 733[06:29:42] <pagetelegram> oh, lost what paste chain thanks
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• 735[06:30:38] <klys> then dhclient should work after that backgrounds
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• 738[06:31:47] <pagetelegram> getting in the neighborhood of working...tho error connecting: replaced-url
• 739[06:31:58] <pagetelegram> It had shout on two lines I think
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• 741[06:32:38] <klys> pagetelegram, ps waux | grep wpa (I hope you don't have any more of those running)
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• 744[06:33:53] <pagetelegram> just once and another of the grep
• 745[06:33:54] <pagetelegram> root 13061 0.0 1.2 10776 6160 ? Ss 22:28 0:00 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -u -s -O /run/wpa_supplicant
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• 749[06:35:07] <klys> it seems you may lose your connection briefly; `kill 13061' may disconnect you. make notes before you get disconnected.
• 750[06:35:43] <pagetelegram> mostly been just fbgrab'n ever so often
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• 752[06:36:07] <pagetelegram> still online?
• 753[06:36:09] <pagetelegram> yep
• 754[06:36:16] <klys> oh well you have to only have one instance of wpa_supplicant running. so kill that and run the way I said, and then dhclient...
• 755[06:36:20] <pagetelegram> I killed it though my main connect atm is eth0
• 756[06:36:30] <pagetelegram> ok
• 757[06:37:28] <klys> just you might ned route or ifconfig commands to work it onto the new network
• 758[06:37:29] <pagetelegram> It reads connected! Success! Thank you...how do I spawn it has a background process so I can get my tty4 back?
• 759[06:37:46] <klys> ctrl-z bg
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• 761[06:38:35] <pagetelegram> gb starts it again in background? Just wanna make sure before I cut the embylical cord.
• 762[06:38:42] <klys> bg does
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• 768[06:41:05] <Heston> jmcnaught, thanks for the help earlier
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• 770[06:42:21] <pagetelegram> Cord is cut!
• 771[06:42:21] <pagetelegram> Good job helping me klys! I'm poor, though one of these days I might get you a coffee or something.
• 772[06:42:22] <pagetelegram> test
• 773[06:42:22] <pagetelegram> ping not working
• 774[06:42:23] <pagetelegram> I just put the cord back in
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• 778[06:43:25] <pagetelegram> wifi connection not take over after eth0 disconnect?
• 779[06:43:28] <klys> pagetelegram, did you get a routing table `route -n'
• 780[06:44:06] <klys> from dhclient -d wlp6s2
• 781[06:44:27] <pagetelegram> Oh boy, I thought for a momment I could cut the cord. 'are we there yet' echos in my head. Still going. Do I dhclient in background? can I do that in one line?
• 782[06:44:40] <klys> yeah do that in the background
• 783[06:44:50] <pagetelegram> is that && bg
• 784[06:44:58] <klys> that's just one &
• 785[06:45:52] <klys> usually I let it assign and ctrl-c to break out
• 786[06:46:45] <pagetelegram> then I bg it?
• 787[06:47:00] <klys> it's backgrounded if you put & after your command
• 788[06:48:37] <klys> yes you can ctrl-z bg; just about anything these days
• 789[06:48:41] <pagetelegram> ok dhclient is running once in background....going to check route -n
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• 791[06:49:19] <pagetelegram> wifi established ip to router all good. So now I'm good to cut the cord?
• 792[06:49:25] <klys> yeah
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• 794[06:50:53] <pagetelegram> testing
• 795[06:51:01] <klys> kk
• 796[06:51:03] <pagetelegram> nope
• 797[06:51:15] <pagetelegram> ping not work to google until I put eth0 back in
• 798[06:51:42] <pagetelegram> also gateway not defined in wifi
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• 800[06:51:58] <klys> one test command is ping your favorite server `ping 198.60.22.2'
• 801[06:52:15] <klys> or just ping your gateway
• 802[06:52:19] <pagetelegram> ping did not work with eth0 unplugged
• 803[06:52:33] <klys> can you paste your routes
• 804[06:52:41] <klys> oh
• 805[06:52:53] <klys> you might have to delete the default route on eth0
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• 807[06:53:20] <klys> because then it's just dumping them out the wrong port
• 808[06:53:28] <pagetelegram> replaced-url
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• 810[06:54:27] <klys> like so: route del default gw 192.168.0.1 dev enp2s0; route add default gw 192.168.1.1 dev wlp6s2
• 811[06:54:36] <klys> and then ping out
• 812[06:55:21] <klys> because I just know the ip is 192.168.1.1 (such a guess)
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• 814[06:57:53] <pagetelegram> testing?
• 815[06:57:53] <pagetelegram> had to put eth0 back in
• 816[06:57:57] <klys> hmm
• 817[06:58:38] <pagetelegram> replaced-url
• 818[06:59:05] <klys> did it work that way?
• 819[06:59:16] <klys> I mean, can you ping 192.168.1.1 right now?
• 820[06:59:43] <pagetelegram> did you get my response at 23:56:43 testing?
• 821[06:59:48] <klys> ytes
• 822[06:59:50] <klys> yes
• 823[06:59:55] <pagetelegram> oh ok unplugging
• 824[07:01:52] <pagetelegram> still unplugged...please respond if you get this
• 825[07:01:52] <pagetelegram> ping to self worked however no outside world when unplugged
• 826[07:02:19] <klys> okok you have to reconnect your irc server when unplugged I think
• 827[07:02:40] <pagetelegram> oh brb
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• 831[07:04:07] <klys> :)
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• 837[07:04:58] <klys> hi
• 838[07:05:33] <klys> pagetelegram: which network are you using?
• 839[07:06:25] <pagetelegram> Comcast
• 840[07:06:32] <pagetelegram> using pagetelegram guest
• 841[07:06:40] <klys> oh good
• 842[07:06:45] <pagetelegram> eth0 tho
• 843[07:06:50] <klys> oh bad
• 844[07:06:51] <pagetelegram> the wifi still not communicating
• 845[07:06:59] <klys> ping 192.168.1.1 ?
• 846[07:07:08] <pagetelegram> I tried irc in and just stalled
• 847[07:07:18] <pagetelegram> ping works tho no outside world
• 848[07:07:24] <pagetelegram> ping local works
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• 850[07:07:35] <klys> so, ping 192.168.1.1 works
• 851[07:07:53] <pagetelegram> on wifi yep
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• 853[07:07:59] <klys> your wireless is on, just that you might have an ip address conflict
• 854[07:08:14] <klys> hmm
• 855[07:08:24] <pagetelegram> Can I specify another local ip?
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• 857[07:08:33] <pagetelegram> Is that in config
• 858[07:08:39] <klys> ifconfig wlp6s2 192.168.1.x
• 859[07:08:50] <klys> and then add default gw
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• 861[07:11:08] <pagetelegram> ok set to x.x.5.0
• 862[07:11:26] <klys> you need x.x.1.x for your gw to work
• 863[07:11:37] <pagetelegram> default gateway seems all is working with 0.0.0.0 for both eth and wifi
• 864[07:11:44] <pagetelegram> is that right?
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• 866[07:11:46] <klys> if your gw is 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
• 867[07:12:01] <klys> yes
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• 869[07:12:33] <pagetelegram> ok final pug pulling (I hope)
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• 871[07:13:31] <pagetelegram> hello world wireless <- Earth to klys
• 872[07:13:39] <pagetelegram> haha
• 873[07:13:44] <klys> nice
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• 875[07:13:55] <pagetelegram> ping google.com not working tho
• 876[07:14:14] <pagetelegram> temp failure in name resolution
• 877[07:14:20] <klys> you need to look at your nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf
• 878[07:15:15] <klys> also that's part of your router config too, the dhcp part
• 879[07:15:17] <pagetelegram> So I'm connected tho not connected all the way?
• 880[07:15:17] <pagetelegram> You there?
• 881[07:15:21] <klys> yes
• 882[07:15:42] <klys> you should verify your dns servers
• 883[07:15:56] <pagetelegram> 75.75.75.75 and another with x.x.x.76
• 884[07:16:05] <klys> well can you ping them?
• 885[07:16:38] <klys> well can you ping them? I can ping the first one
• 886[07:16:40] <pagetelegram> network is unreachable
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• 888[07:16:57] <klys> ping 198.60.22.2 for me
• 889[07:17:31] <pagetelegram> network is unreachable and btw I had to put the cord back in.
• 890[07:17:45] <klys> ah. this get more interesting
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• 892[07:18:27] <klys> let's see your routing table you had with the cord out
• 893[07:18:46] <pagetelegram> Let me know if any more dumps be helpful....ok dumping that in a few
• 894[07:20:10] <pagetelegram> replaced-url
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• 896[07:20:30] <klys> yeah that's only wireless there
• 897[07:21:33] <klys> also I want to verify the ip on wlp6s2
• 898[07:21:36] <pagetelegram> Have we reached the Outer Limits ? :P
• 899[07:21:43] <pagetelegram> ifconfig?
• 900[07:21:44] <klys> what's that ip address?
• 901[07:21:46] <klys> yes
• 902[07:22:30] <pagetelegram> replaced-url
• 903[07:22:48] <klys> oh it's 5.0 ?
• 904[07:22:54] <klys> try 192.168.1.66
• 905[07:23:37] <klys> that 5.0 was clear out in left field
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• 907[07:24:43] <pagetelegram> it put it back to x.x.1.0
• 908[07:25:03] <klys> and your gw is 192.168.1.1 which you should be able to ping again.
• 909[07:25:04] <pagetelegram> I think it only accepts things that are in 'left field'
• 910[07:25:19] <pagetelegram> no gateway is x.x.1.0
• 911[07:25:25] <klys> you would never have a .0 address for one
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• 913[07:25:30] <pagetelegram> oh 0.1
• 914[07:25:42] <klys> yeah that's the gw for your wired network
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• 916[07:26:00] <klys> the wireless network had gw 192.168.1.1 I'm fairly sure
• 917[07:26:18] <pagetelegram> why when I specify the 1.66 it revert it to 1.0?
• 918[07:26:21] <klys> otherwise it wouldn't have come up that way from dhclient
• 919[07:26:32] <klys> the netmask
• 920[07:26:49] <klys> that's a network address, so it ends in .0
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• 922[07:27:36] <pagetelegram> only other device on wifi is 56.1
• 923[07:27:50] <klys> ping -b 192.168.1.255
• 924[07:28:04] <klys> you should get replies from your gw
• 925[07:29:03] <pagetelegram> it gets stuck and ^c it is 100% loss
• 926[07:29:08] <klys> oh
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• 928[07:29:26] <klys> is the 192.168.1.x network accurate? can you configure your router?
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• 930[07:30:12] <pagetelegram> It is the comcast modem....lucky if I remember the password for the modem/router combo box.
• 931[07:30:23] <klys> well all right
• 932[07:31:31] <klys> then you should ifconfig enp2s0 0.0.0.0 down; ifconfig wlp6s2 192.168.0.66; route add default gw 192.168.0.1; ping -b 192.168.0.255
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• 971[08:02:10] <rjsalts> do ssh connections fall back to ipv4 after a timeout if there is no route to the ipv6 address?
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• 979[08:06:52] <klys> rjsalts, I doubt it
• 980[08:07:03] <klys> that doesn't sound too tcp-like to me.
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• 983[08:07:47] <t3st3r> good question but it more about how ssh works internally. Guess you can check if by connecting by IPv4 address explicitly. If it fails one way but works other, answer is no.
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• 985[08:08:18] <t3st3r> for TCP these have to be 2 entirely different connections.
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• 1023[08:35:42] <rjsalts> I realise, but when you type ssh foo it should first attempt ipv6 and then ipv4
• 1024[08:35:46] <rjsalts> ssh -4 works fine
• 1025[08:36:12] <rjsalts> I would expect ssh -6 to fail while there are ipv6 connectivity problems
• 1026[08:36:20] <rjsalts> and I would expect existing ipv6 connections to die
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• 1036[08:38:29] <mobile_c> where can i obtain a m68020 or above port of debian
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• 1041[08:42:36] <debusr> hi, are there debian packagers here ?
• 1042[08:43:47] <debusr> I think I found a major bug in debian's python packaging
• 1043[08:43:50] <klys> mobile_c, replaced-url
• 1044[08:44:04] <jelly> mobile_c: probably on ports.debian.org; see also replaced-url
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• 1049[08:45:07] <mobile_c> as im trying to cross compile for mk68 series, specifically m68020 and above
• 1050[08:45:28] <mobile_c> but i keep getting errors such as read/isatty not defined
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• 1054[08:47:12] <rjsalts> mobile_c: not sure if this is what you're looking for, but the closest I know: replaced-url
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• 1058[08:51:30] <mobile_c> ok
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• 1061[08:55:11] <mobile_c> as i want to cross compile for m680x0 on arch linux
• 1062[08:55:31] <rant> debusr: report it to bugs.debian.org goto irc.oftc.net for official channels if you need to speak with maintainers the hang in #debian-mentors and #debian-python to talk about such things
• 1063[08:55:55] <mobile_c> and apparently debian is the only OS that does this successfully with a working cross compiler
• 1064[08:56:07] <debusr> rant thanks
• 1065[08:56:45] <rant> debusr: no problem
• 1066[08:56:51] <mobile_c> as i currently get this replaced-url
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• 1069[08:57:19] <mobile_c> how does debian fix that
• 1070[08:57:36] <rant> debusr: see also wiki.debian.org/IRC for complete list of channels
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• 1075[09:01:20] <rant> mobile_c: you should also see wiki.debian.org/IRC and goto irc.oftc.net this channel is for support with debian stable youd be better served in #debian-68k or such on irc.oftc.net
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• 1079[09:03:09] <debusr> rant: reports the bug there
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• 1087[09:05:52] <rant> debusr: you report bugs on the bts you use the irc channels for support on how to do so or asking about packaging or verifyin the bug
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• 1090[09:07:16] <debusr> I understand that, but I have too many logins anyhow, I'm sure it will be picked up
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• 1093[09:08:39] <rant> you will be kept in the loop via email after filing to submit@bugs.debian.org
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• 1096[09:09:51] <rant> ,maint python
• 1097[09:09:52] <judd> Package python-defaults version 2.7.3-4 was uploaded by Donald Scott Kitterman on 2013-02-08, last changed by Scott Kitterman and maintained by Matthias Klose.
• 1098[09:10:10] <rant> o.O
• 1099[09:10:45] <debusr> the issue is in python-pip not python
• 1100[09:10:55] <rant> wrong package :p id imagin python has a team and mailing list
• 1101[09:11:11] <rant> ,maint python-pip
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• 1103[09:11:12] <judd> Package python-pip version 1.1-3 was uploaded by Carl Chenet on 2012-06-23, last changed by Carl Chenet and maintained by Debian Python Modules Team.
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• 1106[09:12:03] <rant> kinda useless judd dont actually show the email but package info will
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• 1110[09:13:06] <rant> though again youd use the maint team list for more info on how its packaged and why not to file bugs
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• 1148[09:37:45] <BrainWork> hi. i came in this AM to find both the PCs in our office had restarted xorg and/or kde. is it possible that a security update can restart xorg and/or kde, as we have unattended updates on. i've never seen it restart something like that before, we both lost all our windows and it wasted tons of time.
• 1149[09:38:13] <BrainWork> im sure it was an update as both pcs were sat at the login screen, and the uptimes of both machines is several days.
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• 1151[09:38:40] <jelly> BrainWork: it's not impossible for kde apps to crash when libraries are replaced under their feet
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• 1153[09:39:31] <BrainWork> hmm, jelly, that would imply bad coding yes? theres a specific way to replace a running so (rm it first then overwrite the file so as not to screw with mapped memory)
• 1154[09:39:50] <Abdullah> hmm
• 1155[09:40:29] <BrainWork> so either kde itself has a bug, or the package maintainer isnt upgrading something properly
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• 1157[09:40:41] <BrainWork> if that was the case for everything, the whole system would crash each time you do a minor upgrade to libc
• 1158[09:40:42] <jelly> BrainWork: that's done already, but an old kde process talking to a new process with new libs makes things unhappy as well
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• 1161[09:41:07] <BrainWork> hmm
• 1162[09:41:12] <BrainWork> its possible, i can see how
• 1163[09:41:16] <jelly> I did not investigate the exact way bits of kde crash, just noticed they do
• 1164[09:41:18] <Abdullah> most of us use windows managers here. but yeah you may get help
• 1165[09:41:20] <BrainWork> not pleasant though
• 1166[09:41:27] <Abdullah> and yeah I'm new debian user.
• 1167[09:41:31] <Abdullah> ;-)
• 1168[09:41:49] <BrainWork> jelly, usually i have kde crashes whilst im actively sat here using it :P
• 1169[09:42:05] <BrainWork> like kwm decides to poo its pants, and all the window chrome vanishes
• 1170[09:42:08] <jelly> in particular it is _very_ unwise to start a release upgrade process inside a kde session
• 1171[09:42:14] <Abdullah> btw how much packages it installs? I mean kde
• 1172[09:42:24] <Abdullah> I have less than 1600 right now
• 1173[09:42:26] <jelly> BrainWork: right, but then it usually restarts
• 1174[09:42:32] <Abdullah> which I feel way more than my needs
• 1175[09:42:35] <BrainWork> oh, yeah, ive made that mistake before. as far as im concerned now its unwise to do any form of dist-upgrade from within any xorg session of any kind
• 1176[09:43:05] <jelly> in fact I used to intentionally kill -SEGV plasma during jessie, when it was really leaky
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• 1180[09:44:21] <jelly> Abdullah: no idea really, order of mangitude a couple hundred
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• 1182[09:44:25] <BrainWork> which version was jessie again?
• 1183[09:44:29] <jelly> debian 8
• 1184[09:44:31] <BrainWork> wasnt it 8?
• 1185[09:44:38] <BrainWork> i have 9 on here, that's stretch right?
• 1186[09:44:43] <jelly> yes
• 1187[09:44:43] <BrainWork> been using kde since debian 7
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• 1189[09:45:02] <jelly> 7 was still on kde 4 without plasma
• 1190[09:45:03] <Abdullah> replaced-url
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• 1193[09:45:47] <Abdullah> it is just my uname -a, I'm lazy enough to get my hands on mouse so did ptpburl 'uname -a'
• 1194[09:45:51] <Abdullah> ;-)
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• 1200[09:47:52] <BrainWork> jelly, found the casue of the crash
• 1201[09:47:53] <BrainWork> Jan 23 19:58:28 comech-it-03 kernel: [3730813.201399] apache2 invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x24201ca(GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE|__GFP_COLD), nodemask=0, order=0, oom_score_adj=0
• 1202[09:48:04] <BrainWork> not sure /why/ it would get an OOM at 8pm at night, when im not here.
• 1203[09:50:11] <BrainWork> 5 minutes later: "kded5 invoked oom-killer"
• 1204[09:50:33] <jelly> if you have atop service running (or acct / sar I guess) you can replay logs and see which processes actually grew
• 1205[09:50:40] <BrainWork> and then: "oom_reaper: reaped process 626 (Xorg)"
• 1206[09:50:48] <BrainWork> so something took down the whole stack of programs
• 1207[09:50:51] <jelly> yeah, that's not apt
• 1208[09:51:09] <jelly> that's just kernel badly guessing which process to take out
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• 1227[09:59:43] <mobile_c> 0.0
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• 1230[10:01:52] <aaii> Hi,I wanna setup server and now i am installin debian (netinstall) in step software selection should i select standard system utilities for install or not?
• 1231[10:02:01] <aaii> *installing
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• 1234[10:03:57] <Abdullah> aaii: I unchecked everything except that
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• 1236[10:04:11] <Abdullah> for my laptop
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• 1239[10:04:34] <aaii> Abdullah, so, what about for server?
• 1240[10:04:58] <Abdullah> I think you should install it.
• 1241[10:05:04] <Abdullah> and uncheck all others
• 1242[10:05:27] <Abdullah> it isn't about X anyway.
• 1243[10:05:36] <Abdullah> I had to install more programs to have X
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• 1245[10:06:16] <Abdullah> Ilyas: welcome to debian ;-)
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• 1248[10:07:18] <aaii> Abdullah, ok,thanks :)
• 1249[10:09:06] <Ilyas> HELLO HI
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• 1331[11:20:59] <trysten> What should I use instead of sshfs
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• 1333[11:21:37] <jelly> trysten: what are you using sshfs for now?
• 1334[11:21:42] <xand> for doing what?
• 1335[11:21:46] <jelly> cake
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• 1337[11:22:07] <patterson> Cake or Death?
• 1338[11:22:16] <jelly> why not both
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• 1340[11:22:42] <patterson> Points at Eddie Izzart and retreats
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• 1345[11:24:40] <trysten> jelly: sharing 1G video files from a Wind0ze computer with sshd installed
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• 1348[11:25:37] <jelly> trysten: local network? samba/cifs
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• 1350[11:25:47] <Sveta> use torrent for sharing large files, or rsync
• 1351[11:26:00] <Sveta> rsync may be easier
• 1352[11:26:18] <Sveta> there is also winscp
• 1353[11:26:29] <jelly> winscp does the same thing as sshfs
• 1354[11:26:37] <Sveta> Ilyas hihi
• 1355[11:26:40] <jelly> that is, sftp protocol
• 1356[11:26:49] <Sveta> jelly yes
• 1357[11:27:58] <jelly> trysten: so is the connection between two systems a local network with low latency, or is your client more remoteish?
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• 1359[11:29:57] <trysten> 100Mb lan. The wind0ze computer is sometimes uncooperative
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• 1363[11:32:11] <jelly> picking a different protocol for file sharing may not solve the "uncooperation" issue
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• 1365[11:32:58] <jelly> but at least cifs shares are native to windows
• 1366[11:33:44] <jelly> if it's just read-only access, you miht ever try some sort of DLNA server
• 1367[11:34:11] <jelly> or a plain web server
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• 1380[11:41:06] <trysten> jelly: thank you for suggestions. I will likely switch back to cifs.
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• 1404[11:57:27] <mobile_c> how do i fix this
• 1405[11:57:47] <mobile_c> dpkg: warning: 'sh' not found in PATH or not executable
• 1406[11:57:47] <dpkg> mobile_c: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
• 1407[11:57:48] <mobile_c> dpkg: warning: 'rm' not found in PATH or not executable
• 1408[11:58:38] <mobile_c> i did
• 1409[11:58:43] <mobile_c> sudo debootstrap stable DEBOOTSTRAP/ replaced-url
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• 1428[12:08:15] <xand> mobile_c: for any packages or just some?
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• 1436[12:11:16] <mobile_c> for dpkg
• 1437[12:11:21] <mobile_c> apt
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• 1444[12:15:35] <mobile_c> dpkg: error: 3 expected programs not found in PATH or not executable
• 1445[12:15:35] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, mobile_c
• 1446[12:15:37] <mobile_c> Note: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin
• 1447[12:15:38] <mobile_c> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
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• 1450[12:16:45] <trysten> ^ How did dpkg know that wasn't enough info o.o
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• 1454[12:18:20] <blackflow> simple, it's an AI.
• 1455[12:18:25] <blackflow> dpkg: do you know the meaning of life?
• 1456[12:18:25] * dpkg eagerly does you know the meaning of life
• 1457[12:18:40] <mobile_c> replaced-url
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• 1459[12:19:32] <blackflow> mobile_c: debootstrap'd env is very minimal. install locales first, set proper locale
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• 1462[12:20:28] <blackflow> (and run `locale-gen en_US.UTF-8` or whatever actual locale you want to use)
• 1463[12:22:03] <blackflow> and oh, you're referring to those errors at teh bottom of it... does that change if you specify, say, bash -l as the chroot command?
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• 1466[12:24:07] <mobile_c_> it wont let me install locales
• 1467[12:24:08] <mobile_c_> replaced-url
• 1468[12:24:55] <xand> what does "echo $PATH" say?
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• 1471[12:25:19] <mobile_c_> root@blackarch:/# echo $PATH
• 1472[12:25:21] <mobile_c_> /home/mobile_c/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/opt/bin:/usr/bin/core_perl:/usr/games/bin::.:/home/mobile_c/fpcupdeluxe/cross/lib/arm-darwin/bin/:
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• 1474[12:25:48] <blackflow> that inside the chroot?
• 1475[12:25:56] <mobile_c_> yes
• 1476[12:26:03] <themill> . in PATH... how lovely.
• 1477[12:26:11] <mobile_c_> sudo chroot DEBOOTSTRAP/
• 1478[12:26:28] <themill> it's missing /bin
• 1479[12:26:28] <blackflow> mobile_c_: there was something else I asked you after the locales commentary.
• 1480[12:27:28] <blackflow> ah indeed, looks like the initial /bin: was changed to /home/mobile_c/bin
• 1481[12:28:15] <mobile_c_> oddly both /root and /home are empty o.o
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• 1484[12:30:08] <mobile_c_> how do i chroot into the deb without probogating my host's environment
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• 1488[12:32:10] <ussie> hi, I have a huge problems with setxkbmap
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• 1491[12:32:31] <blackflow> mobile_c_: use something like `bash -l` as the chroot command
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• 1494[12:33:07] <ussie> I use duolingo to learn languages. I can set kezboard to Russian but I canät set to german or spanish.
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• 1496[12:33:37] <mobile_c_> [ blackarch@mobile_c ~ ]$ sudo chroot DEBOOTSTRAP/ bash -l
• 1497[12:33:38] <mobile_c_> chroot: failed to run command ‘bash’: No such file or directory
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• 1499[12:33:59] <ussie> hmmm I found ä
• 1500[12:34:19] <blackflow> mobile_c_: aeh, try full path to bash /bin/bash -l
• 1501[12:34:25] <ussie> how can I setup xkb correctly to spanish?
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• 1503[12:34:52] <ussie> I can't find a way to type spanish specific characters
• 1504[12:35:10] <mobile_c_> that works
• 1505[12:35:16] <mobile_c_> how can i set that as the default
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• 1508[12:35:56] <blackflow> ussie: one important detail, setxkbmap is about keyboard _layout_, not _language_ although the layouts correlate to languages in a way, so for starters you need a keyboard capable of those characters, then set the appropriate layout
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• 1510[12:36:44] <blackflow> mobile_c_: default of what? chroot? you don't. chroot command takes chroot dir AND command as arguments. if you omit the command, it will use current shell info and imply the command
• 1511[12:37:26] <ussie> blackflow: I think this is exactly what I do not understand
• 1512[12:37:32] <blackflow> mobile_c_: which is explained nicely in teh chroot manpage, so it's worth taking a looksie.
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• 1516[12:38:16] <ussie> let me show you how I use setxkbmap - I just type setxkbmap ru, setxkbmap de, setxkbmap es
• 1517[12:38:26] <ussie> for russian it works
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• 1519[12:38:54] <ussie> I have tried es,us or es,latam etc - same effect
• 1520[12:39:10] <ussie> so what do I not understand?
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• 1523[12:40:18] <blackflow> ussie: that you're setting layouts, not languages. your keyboard must be in the layout you're setting
• 1524[12:40:29] <ussie> for German it is works but not excellent - ä is not under AltGr+a but under '
• 1525[12:40:41] <blackflow> ussie: does /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/es exist? if yes, then `setxkbmap es` should work, but you need a kbd with spanish diacritics
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• 1527[12:41:34] <ussie> blackflow - file is found
• 1528[12:42:04] <blackflow> ussie: when you depress a key on a keyboard, it sends a SCANCODE to the OS, nothing else. then the layout map is used to define which character should be produced from that scan code (and combination with shift, alt, ...)
• 1529[12:42:46] <ussie> exactly as I thought. So what is a problem? I do not get it
• 1530[12:43:45] <ussie> all es variants works the same - no spanish characters but euro sings, polish ł, weird shapes like dots
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• 1532[12:44:33] <ussie> german is not qwerty - acceptable but that would be fine to set it to qwerty and AltGr
• 1533[12:44:44] <ussie> it is magic for me
• 1534[12:44:58] <mobile_c_> what package provides tab completion for apt
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• 1536[12:45:04] <ussie> actually russian works fine with phonetic variant
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• 1539[12:46:01] <ussie> It is not AltGr but I have learnt where the characters are so it is fine
• 1540[12:47:42] <blackflow> mobile_c_: tab completionis for shells, so for bash it'd be bash-completion
• 1541[12:48:10] <mobile_c_> no, for APT
• 1542[12:48:19] <mobile_c_> eg apt install b<TAB>
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• 1545[12:48:29] <blackflow> yes, that's SHELL's tab completion
• 1546[12:48:43] <blackflow> apt has no idea you hit tab because that's shell expanding before it invokes apt
• 1547[12:48:48] <mobile_c_> i know but what package provides it specifically for APT
• 1548[12:48:49] <blackflow> apt isn't even run yet
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• 1550[12:48:56] <blackflow> bash-completion
• 1551[12:49:02] <mobile_c_> NOT IT DOESNT
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• 1553[12:49:20] <petn-randall> mobile_c_: No need to write in all caps in here.
• 1554[12:49:21] <mobile_c_> bash-completion is already the newest version (1:2.1-4.3).
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• 1559[12:49:33] <mobile_c_> root@blackarch:/tmp# apt install
• 1560[12:49:35] <mobile_c_> a.out main.c
• 1561[12:49:37] <petn-randall> mobile_c_: which release are you running?
• 1562[12:49:40] <blackflow> mobile_c_: yes it does. you might need to re-login tho'
• 1563[12:49:53] <petn-randall> OS release, that is.
• 1564[12:50:05] <mobile_c_> idk
• 1565[12:50:10] <mobile_c_> how do i find that out
• 1566[12:50:17] <petn-randall> mobile_c_: How did you install it?
• 1567[12:50:41] <mobile_c_> root@blackarch:/tmp# apt install bash-completion
• 1568[12:50:52] <petn-randall> mobile_c_: How did you install the *OS*?
• 1569[12:50:59] <mobile_c_> debootstrap
• 1570[12:51:12] <petn-randall> mobile_c_: is is blackarch?
• 1571[12:51:13] <mobile_c_> sudo debootstrap stable DEBOOTSTRAP/ replaced-url
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• 1574[12:53:03] <blackflow> mobile_c_: do you have /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/apt file?
• 1575[12:53:29] <mobile_c_> yes
• 1576[12:53:36] <blackflow> does that answer your question?
• 1577[12:53:59] <blackflow> completion for apt, for the bash shell, is part of the bash-completion package.
• 1578[12:54:13] <mobile_c_> ok
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• 1580[12:54:39] <blackflow> mobile_c_: I'm sorry, I was wrong. the apt package puts that file there. please accept my apology.
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• 1582[12:55:20] <blackflow> (so if you have apt, and bash and bash-completion, it should work)
• 1583[12:55:27] <mobile_c_> ok
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• 1586[12:57:23] <expert975> what info does popcon collect?
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• 1589[12:58:32] <petn-randall> !popcon
• 1590[12:58:32] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at replaced-url
• 1591[12:58:53] <petn-randall> ,popcon bash-completion
• 1592[12:58:54] <judd> Popcon data for bash-completion: inst: 183513, vote: 6551, old: 148715, recent: 28157, nofiles: 90
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• 1599[13:05:34] <xand> !jessie
• 1600[13:05:39] <xand> bah
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• 1605[13:08:56] <unborn> hello, is it easy to upgrade from 8 to 9 and keep all my settings except gnome shell some extensions? or fresh install and manual configuration as usual is best option?
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• 1607[13:09:46] <uptime> Diogao: /msg them and ask?
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• 1618[13:18:49] <trysten> someone duck me for a second. I need to encode a whole bunch of files. I should just generate a script with the proper commands to encode each file, right? Because I want to run them all at once, sequentially
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• 1620[13:19:44] <trysten> So if I just use bash to look at the file names and build the script.. then another script to execute the generated script line by line and save the output/indiciate success or failure
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• 1629[13:26:57] <blackflow> trysten: no idea what you just said but.... for F in $(ls -1 /path/to/dir/with/files) ; do something --with "$F" ; done
• 1630[13:28:25] <blackflow> there's also find /path/to/dir/with/files/ [whatever filtering options] -exec something --with {} \;
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• 1633[13:32:20] <mobile_c_> is this correct? replaced-url
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• 1638[13:34:23] <blackflow> mobile_c_: you forgot mounting /sys ? also I'd --rbind those, so you don't need to specify /dev/pts specifically (and you also missed /dev/shm)
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• 1641[13:36:03] <blackflow> and ffs if you're gonna prefix EVERY line with sudo....... why on earth. if [ "$(whoami)" != "root" ]; then echo "I must run as root"; exit 1; fi
• 1642[13:36:31] <mobile_c_> x,x
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• 1644[13:36:33] <mobile_c_> x.x
• 1645[13:36:47] <blackflow> and personally I'd also set -e so it STOPS on error, and not avalanche with subsequent errors because one step failed
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• 1647[13:38:33] <blackflow> mobile_c_: also line 16 hardcoded chroot dir.... use the var you already established :)
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• 1652[13:39:07] <Hackwar> hi folks, can someone translate this for me to dummy-speak for a system with a minimal xserver and matchbox? [[ -z $DISPLAY && $XDG_VTNR -eq 1 ]] && exec startx
• 1653[13:39:09] <mobile_c_> like this? replaced-url
• 1654[13:39:16] <Hackwar> what does the part in [[]] do?
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• 1656[13:40:45] <blackflow> mobile_c_: add a shebang line first, like #!/bin/sh or for bash. also, make a habit of using form like ${CHROOT_DIR} for var substitution. less ambiguity over what is or isn't part of the variable name.
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• 1659[13:41:50] <mobile_c_> fk i cant log out ;-;
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• 1661[13:42:15] <blackflow> Hackwar: man [ or man test it's actually a command :) and [[ is extended form of [
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• 1665[13:42:52] <blackflow> Hackwar: the first [ is a command. subsequent [ and closing ]] are params for it, so that the whole form looks more natural
• 1666[13:43:49] <Hackwar> ok...
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• 1672[13:45:25] <Hackwar> how can I get the value of $XDG_VTNR?
• 1673[13:45:38] <Hackwar> I simply want to echo it...
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• 1675[13:45:53] <Hackwar> and when I do echo "$XDG_VTNR", I just get an empty line in the terminal.
• 1676[13:46:05] <blackflow> which would mean it's not set for that shell?
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• 1679[13:47:09] <Hackwar> I feared as much...
• 1680[13:47:33] <blackflow> Hackwar: meanwhile... not sure running startx manually is actually supported on default debian configs. should really use a DM to spawn the Xorg instance with appropriate permissions on /dev(ices)
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• 1683[13:48:06] <blackflow> (meaning its very much a hack that requries advanced knowledge and setup and doesn't speak in "dummy" :) )
• 1684[13:48:42] <Hackwar> So when I read that line correctly, it checks if $DISPLAY is empty and $XDG_VTNR should be =1, but it is not set anywhere, neither in the user where the script is supposed to be run nor in root...
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• 1693[13:55:15] <blackflow> Hackwar: I am totally and utterly unfamiliar with XDG_VTNR.
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• 1712[14:05:17] <Hackwar> it actually works as I expected. Now I just need to find out why it doesn't start my scripts and why the window is shifted upwards...
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• 1719[14:06:41] <Hackwar> I'm logging in with agetty and then from my understanding it should execture .bash_profile, but that doesn't happen
• 1720[14:06:59] <Hackwar> I have that above line in .bash_profile, but nothing happens.
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• 1724[14:11:04] <expert975> How do I find the date when my system was installed?
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• 1730[14:15:31] <PaddyF> expert975: i would look at the first lines of /var/log/syslog
• 1731[14:16:04] <blackflow> expert975: /var/log/apt/history.log will have a clue about when it was run first. I know ubuntu runs apt (upgrade) during regular installation, not sure about debian.
• 1732[14:16:07] <blackflow> PaddyF: syslog is rotated
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• 1735[14:18:39] <expert975> blackflow: is history.log rotated?
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• 1738[14:19:23] <blackflow> expert975: not by default afaik
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• 1741[14:20:14] <blackflow> expert975: scratch that, it is. keeps 12 monthly logs
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• 1743[14:20:44] <expert975> blackflow: The first entry was at 2018-01-01. I'm not sure that's right. There are 12 history.log.*.gz files
• 1744[14:20:47] <blackflow> so if you installed in the past 12 months, and didn't change the logrotate config for apt, the last rotation file will have the clue
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• 1746[14:22:40] <expert975> blackflow: my installation is older than 1 year
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• 1750[14:24:59] <expert975> blackflow: ls says a file is from 2017. How do I get the exact date?
• 1751[14:25:16] <expert975> blackflow: oh, I see, it's there
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• 1753[14:25:59] <blackflow> expert975: not sure if there's a better way, but I'd look into files that are created on first installation and then kept unmodified. for example ssh host keys.
• 1754[14:26:41] <blackflow> thing is, packaged files will have their own timestamps and won't reflect the time they were actually installed. so you should look for files created as part of installation process, files that wouldn't change afterwards.
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• 1757[14:27:39] <[E]sc> the packagekitd keeps having a memory and cpu leak. any one find a fix for it?
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• 1759[14:28:15] <[E]sc> i'm on debian stretch, kernel 4.9.130-2
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• 1763[14:29:47] <expert975> blackflow: seems like /var/log/installer are the logs from the installer
• 1764[14:29:47] <EdePopede> [E]sc: is there a bug report or a pull request? if not, then maybe not.
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• 1766[14:30:56] <blackflow> expert975: oh there is? yeah I debootstrap, so my bad for not knowing about that.
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• 1826[15:20:49] <LtL> expert975: blackflow has a good idea and probably correct. 'ls -l /etc/ssh/' those keys are generated on install. mine show 2016
• 1827[15:21:33] <blackflow> LtL: nah there's /var/log/installer, which I'm not very familiar with, as I mostly use debootstrap'd installations, so there's no installer logs.
• 1828[15:21:50] <blackflow> but in case there's no installer log, yeah... I'd look at sshd host keys
• 1829[15:21:59] <petn-randall> expert975: What kind of system is it that you don't know the installation date?
• 1830[15:22:30] <LtL> blackflow: those files are the same date as the ssh keys
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• 1945[16:30:43] <jim> hi, what firmware is likely needed for: [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in stretch.
• 1946[16:31:13] <greycat> If you've already booted a kernel with that device in the machine, try dmesg | grep -i firmware
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• 1952[16:33:36] <unborn> jim: hi, have look here: replaced-url
• 1953[16:33:57] <cluelessperson> I'm interested in learning about how linux boots up
• 1954[16:33:58] <colo-work> jim, in my experience, none
• 1955[16:34:07] <colo-work> the realtek ethernet stuff works without firmware
• 1956[16:34:07] <cluelessperson> from the bootloader, to the kernel, to the environment
• 1957[16:34:11] <xand> jim: why do you think you need firmware?
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• 1959[16:34:15] <cluelessperson> how do I learn about what modules are where and do what?
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• 1961[16:34:26] <cluelessperson> I want to be able to make my own environments
• 1962[16:34:41] <cluelessperson> I want to be able to produce my own livecds, and debootstrap my own environments
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• 1964[16:34:53] <cluelessperson> but I know nothing about what things are required
• 1965[16:34:54] <cluelessperson> like
• 1966[16:34:56] <jim> xand, it's telling him, there's a firmware error when he tries ifup (but then he says it's working anyway)
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• 1968[16:35:03] <cluelessperson> dbus-uuidgen > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id what is this?
• 1969[16:35:14] <cluelessperson> echo "127.0.0.1 $1" >> /etc/hosts hosts are required?
• 1970[16:35:32] <cluelessperson> how about the grub/bootloader menu?
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• 1973[16:37:20] <greycat> If you don't even know how the /etc/hosts file works, I don't believe you are going to succeed in making your own derivative Linux distributions.
• 1974[16:37:43] <cluelessperson> greycat: I know how the /etc/hosts file itself works
• 1975[16:37:48] <cluelessperson> greycat: I don't know what all uses it
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• 1977[16:37:55] <cluelessperson> I don't know what else all runs on top of the kernek
• 1978[16:38:16] <cluelessperson> greycat: I don't understand why there's a lot of other services, under `systemctl status`
• 1979[16:38:25] <cluelessperson> there are all these things running and I don't konw every single one
• 1980[16:38:48] <xand> jim: that message is often wrong -if it works, ignore it
• 1981[16:39:04] <xand> jim: at least when it says it on boot (dmesg)
• 1982[16:39:13] <greycat> At least your nick is honest.
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• 1986[16:40:17] <cluelessperson> greycat: for example, wth is 127.0.0.1 added to the host file? shouldn't 127.0.0.1 just be built in, hard coded?
• 1987[16:40:24] <greycat> *plonk*
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• 1989[16:40:44] <cluelessperson> rather, it associates localhost 127.0.0.1
• 1990[16:40:52] <cluelessperson> so shouldn't localhost be hard coded?
• 1991[16:41:20] <xand> hardcoded where?
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• 2001[16:44:19] <cluelessperson> xand: into whatever netowrking function
• 2002[16:44:30] <cluelessperson> something handles routing right?
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• 2005[16:44:45] <cluelessperson> I suppose name resolution and routing are no where related
• 2006[16:44:58] <blackflow> cluelessperson: you should really go through a full session of LFS installation. priceless experience and knowledge about internals of a linux distro.
• 2007[16:45:08] <xand> that isn't routing
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• 2010[16:45:20] <Jmabsd> replaced-url
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• 2013[16:45:34] <sn00ker> hi all
• 2014[16:46:03] <cluelessperson> blackflow: thanks. :P
• 2015[16:46:45] <Jmabsd> "PCIe Bus Error: severity=Corrected, type=Physical Layer, id=0018(Receiver ID)" - "NVRM: Xid (PCI:0000:05:00): 79, GPU has fallen off the bus." - "NVRM: A GPU crash dump has been created. If possible, please run NVRM: nvidia-bug-report.sh as root to collect this data before NVRM: the NVIDIA kernel module is unloaded." , exotic stuff.
• 2016[16:46:46] <jim> xand, ok, thanks
• 2017[16:47:08] <Jmabsd> no overclocking. it's a 2011 high end xeon machine, should feed the GPU with its ~~200W very reliably.
• 2018[16:47:09] <sn00ker> there is video4linux. Here you can indeed create a virtual video interface or a video loopback. perfect for me but i need the same again for audio .. is there anything that does the same thing just with audio?
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• 2021[16:48:41] <blackflow> Jmabsd: for a machine that old I wouldn't be surprised if there's oxydation all over the pci connectors. wouldn't be the first time I took a knife to a pci connector and scrubbed the rust off :)
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• 2034[16:55:56] <jhutchins_wk> Jmabsd: Erasers work well for cleaning contacts too. You should probably try removing and re-seating all of the boards.
• 2035[16:56:35] <jelly> verify physical location of said GPU
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• 2041[16:57:51] <blackflow> (hide the booze too, so it doesn't fall off the wag^Wbus again)
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• 2052[17:07:41] <[E]sc> EdePopede, yes #802306 but it doesn't seem to be really fixed in my version? anyone else have this problem?
• 2053[17:07:42] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2110[17:38:20] <seht> I have four pci soundcards, an onboard intel sound card, and a usb sound card all in my power Mac running Debian 8.11 ppc. But alsamixer
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• 2112[17:38:36] <seht> And pavucontrol only show the four pci sound cards
• 2113[17:38:43] <jhutchins_wk> seht: Why?
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• 2118[17:40:05] <seht> Ffff
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• 2141[17:52:27] <jhutchins_wk> Seriously, what's the logic behind six sound cards?
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• 2167[18:06:39] <mobile_c> how do i obtain the man page for gcc
• 2168[18:06:43] <mobile_c> and cc1
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• 2170[18:07:28] <expert975> mobile_c: I think gcc-doc is in non-free
• 2171[18:07:48] <mobile_c> E: Package 'gcc-doc' has no installation candidate
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• 2173[18:08:41] <cluelessperson> jhutchins_wk: handling tons of audio streams? ???
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• 2178[18:11:59] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, I could see six streams that way.
• 2179[18:12:00] <aloo_shu> mobile_c: is there really no man page coming with gcc itself? or do you want *only* the manpage(s)?
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• 2181[18:12:26] <jhutchins_wk> I think gcc is beyond just a man page.
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• 2185[18:14:40] <expert975> !dpkg gcc-doc
• 2186[18:14:41] <dpkg> The man pages for <gcc> are in non-free, as they are released under the <GFDL> with invariant sections, so they do not meet the <DFSG>. To install, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the gcc-doc package. If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then install the manpages-dev package.
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• 2190[18:17:46] <johnjay> any ideas how I can fix dhcp not starting? I thought the output said to type 'systemctl service dhcpd' but that shows nothing
• 2191[18:18:09] <johnjay> service --status-all at least prints something. it shows dhcpd did not start as the error message said
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• 2193[18:18:51] <aloo_shu> ah, learned something
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• 2195[18:19:11] <aloo_shu> !dpkg GFDL
• 2196[18:19:11] <dpkg> [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at replaced-url
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• 2198[18:20:34] <expert975> !dpkg tell johnjay about dhcp client
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• 2201[18:22:32] <jhutchins_wk> johnjay: Client or Server? service dhcpd status and/or check the logs & dmesg.
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• 2209[18:29:13] <lunacorn> hi all looking for a new distro for some stability without the heavy maitenance i have on arch hower being able to install a minimal system
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• 2211[18:29:35] <lunacorn> how would debian do and is the community helpful so i can give back?
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• 2214[18:30:23] <johnjay> jhutchins_wk: i don't know. when i startup i have no ip address from dhcpd
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• 2216[18:30:27] <lunacorn> some distros i find fairly closed off and elitist / rude to newer users and i am not a fan of that approach to people struggling
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• 2218[18:30:30] <johnjay> i can type dhclient eth0 to get one though
• 2219[18:30:37] <jhutchins_wk> lunacorn: Obviously we all think it's pretty good. It's often used for minimal systems and servers, very stable, not a lot of tweaking to do.
• 2220[18:30:44] <johnjay> i'm using systemd so i see dhcp messages now in journalctl -xe
• 2221[18:31:09] <jhutchins_wk> lunacorn: It does require a bit more involvement to get some newer hardware working, and expects you to learn about the OS and packaging system.
• 2222[18:31:23] <johnjay> dmesg showed nothing
• 2223[18:31:41] <johnjay> brb restarting
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• 2225[18:32:18] <lunacorn> jhutchins_wk: thanks. i mostly just need to step away from arch for a bit
• 2226[18:32:47] <lunacorn> but if its as stable as i hear thats what im after
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• 2230[18:34:47] <n4dir> debian stable is as stable as people say. depending on quite some things even testing or unstable are considered to be quite stable by some (but really: only by some ...)
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• 2234[18:36:00] <greycat> Again, there's a language divide here/
• 2235[18:36:18] <greycat> "Stable" has multiple meanings. To Debian, it means "doesn't change". Packages don't just get new versions without a damned good reason.
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• 2237[18:36:29] <greycat> To many end users, it means something like "does not crash" or "has very few bugs".
• 2238[18:36:57] <n4dir> right, but saying that it is very stable in the non-official meaning is also true, in my experience.
• 2239[18:37:19] <expert975> I find that testing rarely breaks
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• 2241[18:37:45] <n4dir> as in: broken so hard that you have to reinstall, i sure never experienced such with debian stable (but then, i mainly ran sid ...)
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• 2246[18:38:45] <lunacorn> greycat that makes plenty sense i know it tends to be more 'outdated' than some. but the idea of doesnt crash has a lot more to do with what you do to it. i could use a break from constant updating
• 2247[18:38:45] <greycat> Fortunately, *that* kind of bug is extremely rare.
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• 2249[18:39:40] <greycat> #155873
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• 2251[18:39:48] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, reinstall usually is down to users trying things that they shouldn't. Or maybe they should, and learn from it.
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• 2254[18:39:55] <expert975> apt is fun
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• 2258[18:40:59] <jhutchins_wk> lunacorn: Packages get backported bug and security fixes, but they don't usually get new features.
• 2259[18:41:20] <lunacorn> whats the current kernel if i may ask
• 2260[18:41:35] <lunacorn> i can look it up just curious if you know offhand
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• 2265[18:42:36] <LtL> 4.9.0-8-amd64
• 2266[18:42:43] <lunacorn> ty
• 2267[18:42:51] <lunacorn> brb gonna test this
• 2268[18:43:00] <ryan--c> I'm trying to set up my stretch system with backports, but it looks like it wants to upgrade my installed packages to the backports version by default. How do I make it only use backports for specific packages?
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• 2273[18:44:27] <expert975> !dpkg pinning
• 2274[18:44:27] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at replaced-url
• 2275[18:45:21] <n4dir> it shouldn't do that per default.
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• 2277[18:46:11] <ryan--c> n4dir: Well, it is. It may be because I have locally build versions of the packages?
• 2278[18:46:35] <n4dir> i would guess so.
• 2279[18:47:07] <ryan--c> It seems to no longer want to install the backports when I pin my local stuff to a higher priority
• 2280[18:47:15] <ryan--c> weird edge case, i guess?
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• 2293[18:50:46] <aloo_shu> tst
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• 2313[18:56:15] <jhutchins_wk> What is it with people dropping off mid-conversation today, are we having bad netsplits?
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• 2323[19:02:11] <EdePopede> maybe they're all running to that trump channel. no idea what's going on, something special today? midterm, his bday or what? had some spam on my other networks.
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• 2349[19:15:11] <bongobongo56> EdePopede: if 'that trump channel' is the one I think it is, then ppl are just grabbing each other by throat & genitals there as usual, and not even being very fast paced about it ;)
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• 2356[19:17:11] <EdePopede> aloo_shu: could be. just read that the network has been "Acquired by Freenode" 5 years ago. and both channels mentioned are here, the other one is a ##. and part of the message is "Like to argue with retards?". so yes, your assumption seems correct ;)
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• 2364[19:20:02] <aloo_shu> EdePopede: mind to take it to ##debian-offtopic or pm? I didn't get any spam messages, but you got me curious now
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• 2366[19:20:30] <EdePopede> sure, make your choice.
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• 2379[19:26:47] <aloo_shu> EdePopede: mind to take it to #debian-offtopic or pm? I didn't get any spam messages, but you got me curious now
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• 2383[19:29:02] <NetTerminalGene> ,kernels
• 2384[19:29:03] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.13-1); buster: 4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.19.12-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-
• 2385[19:29:04] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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• 2390[19:30:13] <OS-43198> !gamma
• 2391[19:30:14] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, gamma is the third letter of the greek alphabet or a high energy/low wavelength (since they're the same thing, ask me about Planck's law) photon
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• 2414[19:44:27] <joepublic> Max Planck was supposed to be working on light bulbs, not quantum physics per se.
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• 2484[20:26:11] <mobile_c> how do i fix this
• 2485[20:26:25] <mobile_c> wget replaced-url
• 2486[20:26:26] <mobile_c> ERROR: The certificate of 'google.com' is not trusted.
• 2487[20:26:28] <mobile_c> ERROR: The certificate of 'google.com' hasn't got a known issuer.
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• 2490[20:26:38] <bolt> install ca-certificates?
• 2491[20:26:42] <FinalX> apt install ca-certificates
• 2492[20:26:44] <FinalX> heh
• 2493[20:26:48] <mobile_c> oki :P
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• 2498[20:32:12] <mobile_c> how do i fix this
• 2499[20:32:14] <mobile_c> [ blackarch@root vcpu ]# xclip
• 2500[20:32:15] <mobile_c> No protocol specified
• 2501[20:32:17] <mobile_c> Error: Can't open display: :0
• 2502[20:32:22] <DonAlex> Guys I have a REALLY weird issue. Apt is not completing any more. It will pull down packages but not install them it just sits there in a wait loop forever. I have reinstall apt and all the libapt libs but nothing.
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• 2504[20:33:53] <greycat> mobile_c: run it as yourself, not as root
• 2505[20:34:32] <mobile_c> but my /home is binded
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• 2508[20:36:07] <DonAlex> Ideas?
• 2509[20:36:42] <DonAlex> This is a new one on me I have to say.. usually there are errors aplenty but this is just silent
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• 2513[20:37:38] <DonAlex> Something else odd I noticed.. the apt/history.log file is out of date by a day..
• 2514[20:38:05] <DonAlex> that is last thing is shows is me upgrading yesterday but I installed packages today
• 2515[20:38:06] <jelly> DonAlex: how did you reinstall them if apt does not work?
• 2516[20:38:13] <trysten> mobile_c: seriously? You're still at it?
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• 2518[20:38:45] <DonAlex> jelly: simple apt-get -d the files , like I say it pulls them down , then cd /var/cache/apt/archives. dpkg -i *.deb
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• 2520[20:38:51] <jelly> DonAlex: which debian release is this?
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• 2522[20:39:17] <trysten> You can put in some effort yourself, mobile_c. Your last question was really low brow, as in, you I can tell you didn't look into it yourself first. Please do a cursory google search of your problem before dumping it in here.
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• 2526[20:40:27] <DonAlex> 9.0 Testing
• 2527[20:40:33] <greycat> wrong.
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• 2529[20:40:45] <DonAlex> jelly: 9 / testing
• 2530[20:40:48] <jelly> DonAlex: what does "lsb_release -sc" say?
• 2531[20:41:01] <DonAlex> sid
• 2532[20:41:17] <jelly> you're on unstable, or testing maybe, then, not 9
• 2533[20:41:30] <SpeedyG> jelly: probably a very basic command.. but nice one :)Didnt know it yet
• 2534[20:41:31] <DonAlex> I don't have any unstables in my sources..
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• 2536[20:41:43] <jelly> DonAlex: just for fun what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1" say?
• 2537[20:42:02] <DonAlex> ii libc6:i386 2.28-5 i386 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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• 2541[20:42:23] <DonAlex> Which is weird as I am on 64 bit ;)
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• 2545[20:42:55] <SpeedyG> multi-arch?
• 2546[20:42:56] <greycat> multiarch exists
• 2547[20:43:01] <DonAlex> jelly: ii libc6:amd64 2.28-5 amd64 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
• 2548[20:43:10] <jelly> DonAlex: that's newer than what's in debian 9. You have, or had some time in the past, one or more repos for buster or testing or sid or unstable added, and installed stuff from there.
• 2549[20:43:46] <DonAlex> jelly: Nope only testing.. let me check all my sources put them in a pastebin
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• 2551[20:44:06] <jelly> "buster or testing or sid or unstable" matches "only testing", yes
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• 2553[20:44:35] <mobile_c> how do i add a new user without touching /home
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• 2555[20:45:05] <jelly> mobile_c: useradd command can specify a -d option. Why?
• 2556[20:45:19] <Kohlrabi> adduser --no-create-home [...]
• 2557[20:45:24] <mobile_c> or if possible how do i import user from x distro to x distro
• 2558[20:45:32] <mobile_c> a user*
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• 2560[20:45:40] <Kohlrabi> "import"?
• 2561[20:45:44] <jelly> mobile_c: what is your actual problem?
• 2562[20:45:49] <jelly> !ask
• 2563[20:45:49] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2564[20:45:51] <Kohlrabi> A user is just a id associated with a name in passwd file
• 2565[20:46:29] <jelly> DonAlex: does apt fix itself after a reboot?
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• 2567[20:46:40] <DonAlex> jelly: nope
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• 2569[20:47:08] <jelly> if you did a partial upgrade to testing who knows what might be broken, in addition to any known bugs in testing right now
• 2570[20:47:34] <DonAlex> jelly: Fracking nodelist. That has sid in it.
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• 2572[20:48:34] <joepublic> "I'll just add so and so repo long enough to install this one thing that I know better than to install but am going to install anyway" is always, always a bad idea. You can't even just pick one part of that that's wrong, it's wrong all over.
• 2573[20:48:58] <DonAlex> jelly: There was not partial upgrade.. Ihave been using testing for about a year and half now..
• 2574[20:49:03] <jelly> DonAlex: a third party repo _probably_ would not have included libc6 package, which is a core component you usually get from debian.org. If you plan on completing the upgrade full way to buster, it might fix some things, but best ask in #debian-next on irc.debian.org
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• 2576[20:49:19] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2577[20:49:19] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2579[20:49:24] <DonAlex> jelly: So would downgrading libc help ?
• 2580[20:49:34] <jelly> DonAlex: you can't downgrade libc6.
• 2581[20:49:51] <DonAlex> Hey.. wait..that is the testing version!
• 2582[20:50:14] <DonAlex> libc6:amd64 2.28-5 testing ftp.uk.debian.org
• 2583[20:50:15] <jelly> the simplest way to do that is reinstall debian 9 (stretch). current testing is codename buster
• 2584[20:50:32] <jelly> ,v libc6
• 2585[20:50:34] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.28-5; sid: 2.28-5
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• 2589[20:51:22] <DonAlex> I don't think it is that.. something else is going on..
• 2590[20:51:29] <jelly> DonAlex: a situation like this is why it's a lot smarter to use codenames for debian repos, not "testing" or "stable"
• 2591[20:51:58] <jelly> you might have installed before May 2017, when testing was still pointing to "stretch"
• 2592[20:52:17] <DonAlex> jelly: I prefer a rolling release it is why I stuck to testing Ether way I don't think that is it.. libc is the testing version.. apt is the testing version..
• 2593[20:52:30] <jelly> debian does not have a rolling release.
• 2594[20:52:43] <joepublic> it has a "moving target" release. totally different.
• 2595[20:52:46] <DonAlex> jelly: apt:amd64/testing 1.8.0~alpha3.1 uptodate
• 2596[20:53:05] <cryptodan> DonAlex: can you pastebin the loop that apt is in
• 2597[20:53:13] <jelly> and you treat "testing" as one, you get to keep all the pieces when things break!
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• 2599[20:53:22] <jelly> if* you treat testing as one
• 2600[20:53:33] <DonAlex> cryptodan: Well I have only straces of it .
• 2601[20:53:36] <jelly> ,v apt
• 2602[20:53:37] <judd> Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4.9; stretch-security: 1.4.9; buster: 1.8.0~alpha3.1; sid: 1.8.0~beta1
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• 2606[20:54:27] <DonAlex> cryptodan: I can zip them up and put them somewhere ?
• 2607[20:54:34] <jelly> DonAlex: if you ask this in the _right_ channel you might get a suggestion on how to run a mix of testing and unstable... which can sometimes work better than just testing
• 2608[20:54:45] <cryptodan> DonAlex: so when you run apt it throws no errors?
• 2609[20:55:13] <DonAlex> cryptodan: Nope.. just sits there.. after you press Y to continue..
• 2610[20:55:18] <DonAlex> It just never does
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• 2613[20:56:10] <trysten> mobile_c: a traditional user migration is just cp -rav /home/<user> /new/home/<user>
• 2614[20:56:25] <cryptodan> DonAlex: does apt-get work
• 2615[20:56:36] <DonAlex> cryptodan: Yes..
• 2616[20:56:43] <DonAlex> cryptodan: So does dpkg..
• 2617[20:56:46] <joepublic> ln -s apt-get apt
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• 2619[20:56:54] <jelly> .slap joepublic
• 2620[20:56:58] <joepublic> :)
• 2621[20:57:08] * trysten glares at jelly for reccomending franken-deb-ing
• 2622[20:57:35] <mobile_c> what package is sudo in
• 2623[20:57:40] <greycat> sudo
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• 2625[20:58:13] <DonAlex> cryptodan: Is there any way to debug what apt is doing without strace ? verbose logs or something ?
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• 2627[20:58:19] <jelly> trysten: I did not recommend it here.
• 2628[20:58:19] <mobile_c> wtf
• 2629[20:58:21] <mobile_c> $ su
• 2630[20:58:23] <mobile_c> Password:
• 2631[20:58:24] <mobile_c> su: Authentication failure
• 2632[20:58:36] <cryptodan> DonAlex: copy and paste the strace to like a pastebin site
• 2633[20:58:41] <greycat> A root password must exist, and you must type it correctly.
• 2634[20:58:53] <jelly> trysten: I SPECIFICALLY said where one might get such a recommendation, and it was NOT here
• 2635[20:59:03] <DonAlex> cryptodan: ok but it is in serveral files I traced the forks.
• 2636[20:59:11] <trysten> mobile_c: alright, this is what I'm talking about. You didn't google anything, or even ask the right question. You should have asked: How do I find out what package a particular command might be in? To which my answer would be: `dpkg -S <cmd>` or dpkg -S `where <cmd>`
• 2637[20:59:19] <trysten> jelly: I see that, sorry.
• 2638[20:59:32] <mobile_c> well then, it randomly popped me into presumably my mobile_c user
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• 2640[21:00:16] <cryptodan> DonAlex: run apt and then strace it only then copy the strace to a pastebin
• 2641[21:00:25] <mobile_c> wait it may have been cus i had su mobile_c
• 2642[21:00:45] <greycat> trysten: dpkg -S only works if he already has it, which he probably does not, if he is asking that.
• 2643[21:00:53] <DonAlex> cryptodan: ok.
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• 2647[21:01:47] <joepublic> "What package provides so and so if I don't have it installed" is, install apt-file or go search packages.debian.org btw
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• 2649[21:02:01] <mobile_c> and as i expected, i cannot open my hosts home folder
• 2650[21:02:04] <mobile_c> ls: cannot open directory '/home/mobile_c': Permission denied
• 2651[21:02:15] <mobile_c> when logged in via the new user i created
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• 2653[21:02:39] <joepublic> I assumed you changed ownership and/or permissions appropriately. Hmm, should have worked.
• 2654[21:02:43] <mobile_c> drwx------ 73 1001 1005 4096 Jan 24 20:00 mobile_c
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• 2656[21:03:00] <mobile_c> from chroot
• 2657[21:03:14] <mobile_c> drwx------ 73 mobile_c mobile_c 4096 Jan 24 20:00 mobile_c
• 2658[21:03:16] <mobile_c> from host
• 2659[21:03:19] <greycat> Do I want to know what he's doing? I probably do not.
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• 2666[21:04:30] <jelly> mobile_c: what chroot now?
• 2667[21:04:34] <mobile_c> is 1001 the UID and 1005 the GUID ?
• 2668[21:04:48] <mobile_c> jelly: the debian chroot from debstrap
• 2669[21:04:53] <mobile_c> debootstrap*
• 2670[21:04:56] <trysten> greycat: indeed. I a working command might be "apt-file search -x 'sudo$'"
• 2671[21:05:05] <jelly> mobile_c: you don't have debian booted yet?
• 2672[21:05:11] <DonAlex> cryptodan: replaced-url
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• 2674[21:05:30] <trysten> Thank you for correcting me. I don't know why I'm being so haughty this morning. I think mobile_c just reminds me of somebody..
• 2675[21:05:32] <mobile_c> jelly: i only using it cus it has tools i cant get in archlinux
• 2676[21:05:46] <jelly> mobile_c: do you ever plan to boot debian?
• 2677[21:06:02] <mobile_c> no, i fine with arch for now
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• 2679[21:06:11] <mobile_c> wifi sucks tho
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• 2683[21:06:37] <mobile_c> it isnt as stable as debian's wifi packages
• 2684[21:06:43] <joepublic> +1 "nah fine with arch"
• 2685[21:06:44] <jelly> mobile_c: okay they, which tools do you plan to use from debian, and do they come as services or with custom users?
• 2686[21:06:53] <jelly> okay then*
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• 2688[21:08:28] <jelly> mobile_c: you probably just need to have matching entries for your user and group inside the chroot and outside, in these files: /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/group /etc/gshadow
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• 2690[21:08:42] <jelly> and when I say entries i mean lines.
• 2691[21:09:04] <greycat> If he's not using Debian, and not planning to use Debian, ... why is he here?
• 2692[21:09:07] <mobile_c> [20:06] <jelly> mobile_c: okay they, which tools do you plan to use from debian, and do they come as services or with custom users?
• 2693[21:09:11] <mobile_c> gcc-6-m68k-linux-gnu toolchain
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• 2695[21:09:25] <jelly> greycat: which part of "I want to use some tools from a Debian chroot" did you miss
• 2696[21:10:32] <cryptodan> DonAlex: are you running apt autoremove?
• 2697[21:10:34] <mobile_c> which is (long list)
• 2698[21:10:39] <jelly> s/from a Debian chroot/present in a Debian chroot/
• 2699[21:10:40] <mobile_c> binutils-m68k-linux-gnu/stable,now 2.28-5 amd64 [installed,automatic] cpp-6-m68k-linux-gnu/stable,now 6.3.0-18cross1 amd64 [installed,automatic] gcc-6-m68k-linux-gnu/stable,now 6.3.0-18cross1 amd64 [installed] gcc-6-m68k-linux-gnu-base/stable,now 6.3.0-18cross1 amd64 [installed,automatic] libatomic1-m68k-cross/stable,now 6.3.0-18cross1 all [installed,automatic] libc6-dev-m68k-cross/stable,now 2.24-10cross1 all [installed,
• 2700[21:10:42] <mobile_c> automatic] libc6-m68k-cross/stable,now 2.24-10cross1 all [installed,automatic] libgcc-6-dev-m68k-cross/stable,now 6.3.0-18cross1 all [installed,automatic] libgcc2-m68k-cross/stable,now 1:6.3.0-18cross1 all [installed,automatic] libgomp1-m68k-cross/stable,now 6.3.0-18cross1 all [installed,automatic] linux-libc-dev-m68k-cross/stable,now 4.9.25-1cross1 all [installed,automatic]
• 2701[21:10:51] <DonAlex> cryptodan: Simplest non destructive test
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• 2704[21:11:12] <DonAlex> cryptodan: but it does it with any apt command.. apt install -f apt upgrade etc.
• 2705[21:11:21] <jelly> mobile_c: okay, crosscompiling toolchain is not likely to need system services or system users
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• 2708[21:12:01] <jelly> mobile_c: so you might get by merely bind-mounting those paths from host to chroot, in addition to bind-mounting /home
• 2709[21:12:28] <cryptodan> you may just need to reinstall DonAlex or just use apt-get
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• 2711[21:13:20] <jelly> DonAlex, cryptodan: it's an alpha-release version of apt, running on testing. It's _expected_ to be buggy. Move this to #debian-next on irc.debian.org, and check for existing bug reports.
• 2712[21:13:25] <DonAlex> cryptodan: Reinstall what? I installed the deb packages already along with the libapt*
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• 2715[21:14:08] <DonAlex> jelly: I suspect the reason it is alpha is because of the https bug talked about recently.
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• 2718[21:14:18] <jelly> I don't want people in here to misintepret advice about testing installations to apply to their situations.
• 2719[21:14:55] <DonAlex> cryptodan: apt-get does the same thing ftr
• 2720[21:14:58] <jelly> DonAlex: I suspect you want to have apt-listbugs and apt-listversions installed and check for existing bugs before installing stuff.
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• 2727[21:21:30] <mobile_c> if i only have up to group id 1000 and i need group id 1005 can i just create 4 fake groups?
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• 2729[21:21:41] <SerajewelKS> mobile_c: you can create a group with any ID you want
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• 2731[21:22:11] <SerajewelKS> the -g option to groupadd, or the --gid option to addgroup
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• 2734[21:22:36] <mobile_c> [ Debian@root mobile_c ]# groupadd mobile_c -g 1005
• 2735[21:22:37] <mobile_c> groupadd: group 'mobile_c' already exists
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• 2737[21:23:29] <SerajewelKS> well there you go, the group already exists with a different ID
• 2738[21:23:31] <greycat> or just editing /etc/group by hand, which is way easier than figuring out obscure options to commands
• 2739[21:23:47] <greycat> it's not like it's a complicated file format
• 2740[21:23:54] <SerajewelKS> yeah it's not even like the option is documented in the manpages /s
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• 2742[21:24:26] <mobile_c> i did usermod -g 1005 mobile_c
• 2743[21:24:30] <mobile_c> groupmod*
• 2744[21:24:32] <SerajewelKS> you can certainly edit the file. but this flag is hardly obscure.
• 2745[21:25:58] <DonAlex> cryptodan_mobile: Ok well that settles that. downgraded apt to stable version same problem
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• 2748[21:26:52] <mobile_c> meh, user*/group* may edit other files other fles in aditionn to the ones specified, or may edit them in a special way as with visudo
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• 2750[21:27:58] <mobile_c> ;-;
• 2751[21:28:03] <mobile_c> i still cant use xclip
• 2752[21:28:05] <mobile_c> [ blackarch@mobile_c vcpu ]$ xclip
• 2753[21:28:06] <mobile_c> No protocol specified
• 2754[21:28:08] <mobile_c> Error: Can't open display: :0
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• 2756[21:28:10] <DonAlex> I am removing all caches lists and bin files.
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• 2759[21:29:18] <jelly> mobile_c: you will have to chroot in a way that preserves Xorg server socket, and X authority files, if you want to run X apps.
• 2760[21:29:28] <jelly> mo1991: but gcc does not need X.
• 2761[21:30:11] <jelly> do you need xclip for your workflow?
• 2762[21:30:15] <mobile_c> jelly: how do i do that
• 2763[21:30:15] <SerajewelKS> mobile_c: note also that your gid doesn't change until you log out and back in
• 2764[21:30:21] <jelly> mobile_c: or any other X app?
• 2765[21:30:21] <SerajewelKS> mobile_c: check with "id"
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• 2767[21:30:36] <mobile_c> jelly: i need xclip for wgetpaste
• 2768[21:30:44] <SerajewelKS> mobile_c: you can also use newgrp to spawn a new shell with it changed
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• 2770[21:30:57] <jelly> mobile_c: bind-mount /tmp/.X11-unix into the chroot
• 2771[21:31:02] <mobile_c> ok
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• 2774[21:32:32] <jelly> mobile_c: if you have an XAUTHORITY enviroment variable set as normal user outside chroot, copy that to ~/.Xauthority inside chroot. Otherwise, just copy ~/.Xauthority file from outside to the same path inside chroot and make sure it's readable and writable by the relevant user inside
• 2775[21:33:23] <jelly> you _will_ need to mkdir an empty /path/to/chroot/tmp/.X11-unix to be able to bind-mount
• 2776[21:33:27] <mobile_c> mount: /home/mobile_c/DEBOOTSTRAP/tmp/.X11-unix: mount point does not exist
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• 2779[21:33:43] <jelly> and now I shall answer a question before it is asked
• 2780[21:33:47] <mobile_c> mount -v --bind /tmp/.X11-unix "$CHROOT_DIR/tmp/.X11-unix"
• 2781[21:33:57] <jelly> oh wait
• 2782[21:34:01] <jelly> that already happened
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• 2790[21:38:16] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Stop messing with the time control knob.
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• 2793[21:39:17] <joepublic> quantum mechanics demonstrates that cause and effect do not necessarily come in that order. Bell theorum proven 2015.
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• 2795[21:41:15] <mobile_c> [ blackarch@mobile_c vcpu ]$ echo $XAUTHORITY
• 2796[21:41:17] <mobile_c> /tmp/xauth-1001-_0
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• 2799[21:45:01] <jelly> right, copy that file to /home/mobile_c/DEBOOTSTRAP/home/mobile_c/.Xauthority
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• 2802[21:45:38] <jelly> if you copy it to the same aoth under chroot, you also need to set the environment variable XAUTHORITY to the same value
• 2803[21:45:48] <jelly> same path*
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• 2806[21:49:17] <mobile_c> [ Debian@root vcpu ]# diff $XAUTHORITY /home/mobile_c/.Xauthority
• 2807[21:49:18] <mobile_c> [ Debian@root vcpu ]#
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• 2819[21:57:46] <mobile_c> ok it works now
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• 2825[22:00:58] <JyZyXEL> how do i get the stretch config file for packages that have been installed with "keep old config"-option?
• 2826[22:01:40] <Myros> Hi i changed the vgname of an instalation, now i cant boot from it. What do i have to edit in the boot partition, so i'm able to do it again? (i use luke crypt)
• 2827[22:02:59] <jelly> JyZyXEL: /path/to/conffile.dpkg-new if it's a deb package format conffile
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• 2830[22:04:39] <JyZyXEL> jelly: such files don't seem to exist for most of the config files after jessie->stretch upgrade
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• 2832[22:05:38] <jelly> JyZyXEL: there are deb-conffiles and there are ucf managed config files that ask a similar question. I have no idea where/how ucf names "original" files
• 2833[22:05:40] <jelly> !ucf
• 2834[22:05:40] <dpkg> ucf (Update Configuration File) is a framework used by packages to allow intelligent merging of modified configuration files with maintainer changes in postinst scripts. See apt-cache show ucf; or /usr/share/doc/ucf/ for more information. See also <ucf confmiss>.
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• 2836[22:07:08] <JyZyXEL> they aren't in the same directory with the originals at least
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• 2840[22:08:33] <agio> hi, does anyone know how to connect to a mysql server in debian?
• 2841[22:08:35] <JyZyXEL> ah, i can use: apt install --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confask" <pacakge-name>
• 2842[22:09:07] <joepublic> agio, yes, many people do such a thing daily
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• 2846[22:13:44] <Myros> (Myros) Hi i changed the vgname of an instalation, now i cant boot from it. What do i have to edit in the boot partition, so i'm able to do it again? (i use luke crypt)
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• 2849[22:17:14] <bites> Myros: fix /etc/fstab and update-grub at least.
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• 2852[22:17:51] <bites> so not only your boot partition.
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• 2854[22:18:13] <Myros> Can i update grub from another partition?
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• 2856[22:19:25] <Myros> The underlying problem was that i had 2 vg's with the same names, so i changed one, and was able to mount it afterwards
• 2857[22:19:30] <greycat> Typically by mounting the Debian root file system, chrooting into that, and then running update-grub.
• 2858[22:19:44] <greycat> !reinstall grub
• 2859[22:19:44] <dpkg> See replaced-url
• 2860[22:19:44] <bites> you can. gimme a second to find the rescue grub factoid. you shouldn't edit grub.cfg manually.
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• 2862[22:21:30] <Myros> I could change both Vg's so that the other one would be reverted back, and the one with the Problem would be the current one, would that be less difficould?
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• 2864[22:26:36] <Myros> Would it work if i change the other one back and change my current VG's name and then just update-grub?
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• 2871[22:29:47] <bites> running update-grub on one won't make the other bootable.
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• 2876[22:33:19] <Myros> But if i change the other's vgname back it schould be fixed on the other one, right?
• 2877[22:33:52] <Myros> And then i change my current VG and then fix the current grub
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• 2880[22:36:20] <bites> if you havn't changed anything but the vg name and you change it back, you should be able to boot the system again.
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• 2898[22:46:38] <Myros> Ok /dev/debian-vg already exist in filesystem
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• 2905[22:49:52] <Myros> The other one is back to normal, i changed my current one to debian-vgt
• 2906[22:49:59] <Myros> I updated grub
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• 2908[22:50:25] <Myros> What do i have to do in /etc/fstab?
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• 2911[22:51:35] <rwp> Myros, I don't want to read the scrollback, help me out, what is in your /etc/fstab now?
• 2912[22:52:13] <rwp> Myros, You renamed an lvm vg? Look at the previous name in /etc/fstab and change it to the new name.
• 2913[22:52:15] <Myros> I didnt edit anything so far in fstab
• 2914[22:52:46] <rwp> For those NOT using lvm it is always recommended to use UUIDs in /etc/fstab so that the partition is positively identified.
• 2915[22:53:08] <trysten> Myros: I like to mount by fs uuid. Don't know if that's good practice though.
• 2916[22:53:13] <rwp> For those running LVM well LVM already uses UUIDs internally. So the LV name is already positively identified and either may be used.
• 2917[22:53:16] <Myros> I dont find my previous vg name in fstab
• 2918[22:53:36] <Myros> Oh so i dont have to edit fstab at all
• 2919[22:53:49] <Myros> I found a uuid inside
• 2920[22:54:29] <trysten> rwp: sweet I didn't know that
• 2921[22:55:17] <Myros> So update-grub is the only thing i had to update after change my current VG name?
• 2922[22:55:48] <rwp> Likely yes. To update what is on the kernel command line at boot.
• 2923[22:56:13] <Myros> Ok then i hope for the best and try a reboot
• 2924[22:56:16] <bites> no, it has to be referenced in fstab. look again.
• 2925[22:56:28] <rwp> "cat /proc/cmdline" is the kernel boot command line. Might contain something like this: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.9.0-8-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/v4-root ro quiet
• 2926[22:56:39] <bites> or paste it to replaced-url
• 2927[22:57:00] <rwp> Or it might say something like this: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-1-amd64 root=UUID=9ca6e163-7dc7-4085-b097-6af0f9b952d6 ro quiet
• 2928[22:57:38] <rwp> If it already contains a UUID then that won't have changed. If it contains the LV and that LV name changed then it must be updated.
• 2929[22:58:41] <bites> they already said they were using lvm. the uuid they found was probably for the boot partition.
• 2930[22:58:46] <rwp> Also... Although LVM docs recommend /dev/$VGNAME/$LVNAME as I recall that doesn't get set up early enough and /dev/mapper/$VGNAME-$LVNAME must be used if going that route, so that it is set up early enough.
• 2931[22:58:54] <rwp> I guess that is another good reason to use UUIDs...
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• 2933[22:59:51] <Myros> Yes for root it have a UUID, the only thing left is swap_1 but i didnt changed that partition,
• 2934[23:00:27] <Myros> Why does a cryptoinstalation even have swap o.O
• 2935[23:00:30] <rwp> As I said I didn't read through the far scrollback to see what you were doing in full. Sorry. Just passing through...
• 2936[23:00:32] <bites> then you are not using lvm for your root partition.
• 2937[23:01:13] <rwp> Myros, swap is required for kernel hibernate to save the ram into to disk.
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• 2940[23:02:06] <Myros> And my passwort cant leak in the swap?
• 2941[23:02:07] <rwp> bites, Not sure what your comment meant... The typical full system crypto configuration typically uses one lvm pv using luks.
• 2942[23:02:38] <Myros> Oh i was on the wrong fstab
• 2943[23:02:51] <Myros> Now i have the right
• 2944[23:03:00] <rwp> Myros, The typical full system crypto configuration is one LVM PV using LUKS creating one VG. Then that one VG is allocated to root and swap and anything else desired. Then swap is encrypted along with everything else.
• 2945[23:03:26] <Myros> then i did something wrong on instalation
• 2946[23:03:46] <rwp> So sure the encryption key might leak into swap. But swap is just as encrypted as the root file system in that case.
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• 2948[23:04:27] <rwp> Some people only encrypt /home only. But that has several issues such as the one mentioned.
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• 2951[23:07:07] <tehnull> on fedora the audio is automagically routed through my monitor for desktop applications and through my headphones for steam games. Is there a way to obtain this functionality on debian?
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• 2956[23:09:12] <Myros> Ok grub updated and fs
• 2957[23:09:20] <Myros> Fstab updated
• 2958[23:09:29] <Myros> Now it should work?
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• 2960[23:09:52] <bites> try and see.
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• 2962[23:10:08] <jmcnaught> tehnull: you can use pavucontrol to configure which audio goes where
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• 2964[23:10:32] <agio> tehnull: debian also uses pulseaudio for sink/source routing and the popular frontend for this is pavucontrol - however this is manual - you would manage the sinks/sources yourself - but you should only need to do it once
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• 2967[23:11:10] <tehnull> pavucontrol
• 2968[23:11:13] <tehnull> err
• 2969[23:11:15] <tehnull> lol
• 2970[23:11:34] <agio> you don't like pavucontrol?
• 2971[23:12:18] <tehnull> no I accidentally typed it here instead of terminal lol
• 2972[23:13:07] <agio> ah, yeah IRC can't install packages
• 2973[23:16:30] * trysten chuckles
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• 2977[23:21:28] <Myros> Ok the other disk is safed and bootable again, the current throws an unknown fstype error
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• 2979[23:21:57] * tehnull always waits anxiously anythime I see sudo apt-get on irc
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• 2987[23:24:14] <jaggz> how do you examine alsa devices? I have a usb a/v capture dongle and suddenly it says it can't open hw:2,0 device or resource busy
• 2988[23:24:36] <jaggz> (vlc complains, and then gives me only video)
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• 2990[23:24:55] <jaggz> pavucontrol shows me an audio signal from that usb device in input streams though
• 2991[23:25:24] <greycat> "cat /proc/asound/devices" is a starting point
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• 2993[23:28:17] <Myros> I am now on an initramfs console, how can i fix lvmetad
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• 2999[23:35:36] <Myros> Is there something like nano in initramfs
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• 3007[23:41:23] <jaggz> damnit. I can't seem to get vlc to show the output commandline options for convert/save .. it shows the input commandline options, but .. that's it.
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• 3015[23:47:53] <agio> jaggz: you can route vlc's output via tools/preferences
• 3016[23:48:17] <jaggz> agio, ?
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• 3019[23:49:32] * jaggz grumbles. someone broke the vlc project I think.
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• 3021[23:49:43] <jaggz> who would do such a thing!
• 3022[23:50:10] <jaggz> agio, I just can't find a way to SEE the commandline options it uses once I go to the convert/save step
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• 3026[23:54:14] <jaggz> like, there used to be this window or something like it: replaced-url
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