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50 [00:22:30] <amvodf> Whenever I do "ip link set wireless_device up", my device automatically connects to my router even tho in my wpa_supplicant.config file it has the following configuration: replaced-url
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54 [00:23:27] <amvodf> In my /etc/network/interface, its just the default config as well.
55 [00:24:07] <amvodf> So how come I am still able to connect to my router with wpa2 key even though I removed such information such as ESSID and passphrase in the configurations.
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60 [00:26:12] <amvodf> what other folders should I check to see what I auto connect to my essid when I do "ip link set essid up"?
61 [00:26:22] <amvodf> what->why
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66 [00:28:57] <friendofafriend> amvodf: Is that information found in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf ?
67 [00:29:19] <amvodf> friendofafriend, yes I missspelled it
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74 [00:37:23] <amvodf> correction: "ip link set essid up" > ip link set wireless_device up"
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91 [00:51:10] <amvodf> What is your preferred command line programs to connect to a wireless device in Debian?
92 [00:51:30] <friendofafriend> amvodf: Depends on what you mean.
93 [00:51:41] <\x> nmcli
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97 [00:52:03] <friendofafriend> There's wicd-curses that might interest you.
98 [00:52:11] <amvodf> what are your thoughts on wpa_supplicant, or just editing network interfaces?
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101 [00:52:35] <friendofafriend> It would make things a lot easier, amvodf.
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103 [00:53:10] <friendofafriend> Linux has become more complicated with things like NetworkManager and systemd.
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105 [00:55:30] <amvodf> friendofafriend, But NetworkManager is reserved for GUI desktops, right?
106 [00:55:47] <konimex> eh... not really
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108 [00:56:36] <Abdullah> wpa_supplicant
109 [00:56:36] <konimex> networkmanager can be used for CLI in case one's too lazy for some wpa_supplicant mumbo jumbo
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112 [00:57:20] <friendofafriend> wpa_supplicant isn't so bad, and at least it's the well-established mumbo.
113 [00:57:21] <Abdullah> I use network manager and yeah I also use polybar. there is also nmtui
114 [00:58:20] <Abdullah> so I have bound nmtui (runs in terminals) with wlan modules in polybar. been using networkmanager-applet but didn't install this time
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118 [00:59:17] <konimex> i'd prefer the new iwd
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120 [01:00:47] <simputer> I use systemd-networkd + wpa
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128 [01:03:21] <amvodf> If I installed nmcli, do I have to worry about it conflicting with my wpa_supplicant.conf? Because It seems that even though I deleted my Essid and pass phrase in in my wpa_supplicant.conf file, whenever I execute "ip link set wireless_interface up" , it just connects automatically to Essid.
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138 [01:05:13] <simputer> nm use wpa for wifi. nothing to worry unless you have an existing wpa service
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179 [01:44:43] <velix> How can I disable all commands, like ls, cp etc. in bash? I think AppAmour & Co. ?
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181 [01:44:51] <velix> s/bash/shell
182 [01:46:51] <rant> what is it you're actually trying to accomplish?
183 [01:47:02] <pingfloyd> what's the real goal?
184 [01:47:12] <velix> Hardening of a read-only container.
185 [01:47:42] <joepublic> disabling ls is some pretty hardcore hardening.
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187 [01:48:17] <velix> Ah, I've found a nice hack: setfacl -m u:user:r ...
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190 [01:51:33] <velix> rant & pingfloyd: Were you just trying to embarrass me or did you really want to help me?
191 [01:52:55] <rant> its standard proceedure to get to the root of something that makes no sense
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193 [01:53:26] <rant> a shell is for running commands, a shell unable to run commands is not a shell
194 [01:53:38] <rant> might as well get yourself a cardboard box and pretend its a computer
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210 [01:59:53] <Abdullah> I have a solution if he really wanna run it as root ;-)
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212 [02:00:13] <Abdullah> but leave it, I don't wanna lose the channel ;-)
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214 [02:00:33] <rant> our distribution and support community is one created and maintained by its user, so blindly answering questions with high probability of it causing harm and not solving an issue that at its core is user error, is detrimental to us all
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220 [02:01:34] <Abdullah> Thanks for reminding me, btw we should bind it to some bot command
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224 [02:02:11] <esainane> You could always unshare a mount namespace and put a tmpfs over /bin etc for the processes you don't want seeing those directories
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227 [02:07:38] <shadow98> d0rm0us3: autofs was the ticket...works now on reboot.
228 [02:08:01] <shadow98> decided not to use systemd or fstab.
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231 [02:08:21] <shadow98> yeah works like a charm now.
232 [02:08:28] <d0rm0us3> Good to hear.
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234 [02:08:55] <d0rm0us3> No hang on the automount?
235 [02:09:03] <shadow98> nope
236 [02:09:07] <d0rm0us3> ie:not waiting for network any more.
237 [02:09:18] <shadow98> and pretty easy to configure used mostly the arch wiki to figure it out.
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239 [02:09:58] <d0rm0us3> systemctl start|stop|restart|reload|status autofs.service
240 [02:10:15] <shadow98> yes you have that option as well.
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263 [02:27:12] <t3st3r> joepublic> disabling ls is some pretty hardcore hardening. <- on other hand, say, production server does not needs ls. If it runs it, it means you've got trouble...
264 [02:27:54] <rant> collary to that, ls is not the only way to list a directory
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266 [02:28:07] <rant> so blocking it doesnt really address anything significant
267 [02:28:11] <whislock> Disabling ls isn't hardening, it's stupid.
268 [02:28:11] <joepublic> ls is one of the commands that I use as part of administration of even production servers.
269 [02:28:32] <t3st3r> I would rather offer idea to replace it with alarm alert script/program :)
270 [02:28:38] <joepublic> I could do without it, if I had to.
271 [02:29:07] <joepublic> well, a user binary such as ksh ash bash would overthrow your clever plans
272 [02:29:30] <t3st3r> as for "administration of production servers" there're different approaches, including those where admins do not directly control servers.
273 [02:29:41] <whislock> blah blah blah disabling ls is stupid, end of story.
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275 [02:29:53] <whislock> Useless at best, harmful at worst.
276 [02:29:56] <joepublic> I heartily agree that there are differing approaches.
277 [02:30:04] <t3st3r> <joepublic> well, a user binary such as ksh ash bash would overthrow your clever plans <- in READONLY container?
278 [02:30:22] <joepublic> t3st3r, no, operating on that container.
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280 [02:30:55] <t3st3r> the point of container is usually to keep it as empty as possible, for many reasons
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282 [02:31:10] <joepublic> the memory isn't readonly, if the device is useful anyway
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285 [02:31:49] <amvodf> FML, I figured why it was autojoing my routers ESSID
286 [02:31:59] <Sveta> yes?
287 [02:32:12] <amvodf> It's because I setted it up sometime in the past with wpa_cli with the add_network command
288 [02:32:16] <t3st3r> nobody would let unrestricted access of program to memory, that's a nice way to get everything owned :)
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291 [02:32:44] <amvodf> where are list_networks stored in Debian wpa_cli command?
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298 [02:35:11] <t3st3r> amvodf> probably same place where wpa_supplicant gets it?
299 [02:35:32] <t3st3r> guess it talks to wpa_supplicant and fetches this info or something like this
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303 [02:36:15] <joepublic> you guess it fetches it from somewhere or something?
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305 [02:36:49] <amvodf> I don't know where it fetches tho.
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310 [02:37:05] <amvodf> It's not in the wpa_supplicant.conf file though.
311 [02:37:13] <amvodf> so it must store it somewhere else.
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315 [02:39:01] <t3st3r> amvodf> if you use network manager, it configures wpa_supplicant dynamically, for example.
316 [02:39:14] <capn_> what are you looking for?
317 [02:39:25] <capn_> I just got here so can't see the whole convo
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325 [02:41:46] <t3st3r> and network manager keeps connections under /etc/NetworkManager just in case. System-wide are in system-connections dir, etc.
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327 [02:42:43] <amvodf> capn_, replaced-url
328 [02:42:56] <t3st3r> If some of these set to autoconnect, NM would fire up wpa_supplicant and configure it appropriately, through its API.
329 [02:43:08] <capn_> check what t3st3r said
330 [02:43:11] <amvodf> t3st3r, I don't have NetworkManager in /etc since I'm using command line /
331 [02:43:22] <amvodf> I did a very minimal install
332 [02:43:37] <capn_> oh ok. I use cli as well but have that dir
333 [02:43:40] <t3st3r> hmm then it isnt a case.
334 [02:43:45] <capn_> nmtui work?
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336 [02:43:58] <capn_> prolly not if you're not using NM
337 [02:44:05] <amvodf> nope
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339 [02:44:15] <amvodf> dont have nmtui
340 [02:44:25] <capn_> ok just checkin
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359 [02:51:41] <t3st3r> maybe you've got it configured somewhere like /etc/network ?
360 [02:52:09] <kingsley> Which package do you use to create generic key board short cuts?
361 [02:52:13] <kingsley> You know,
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363 [02:52:40] <kingsley> like pressing F5 becomes a macro for "abcdefg".
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368 [02:54:12] <rant> kingsley: triggerhappy is one that works globally and doesnt depend on X and also has the ability to use shortcuts to change into different modes
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370 [02:54:40] <rant> requires reading some docs and making a config file.. but its not terribly confusing
371 [02:55:23] <rant> it also afaik isnt keyboard dependant.. can be used with any input device
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373 [02:56:23] <kingsley> rant: 1.) I like your nick. 2.) I'll check out triggerhappy.
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376 [02:57:15] <rant> kingsley: its a good book by Chuck Palanuik..
377 [02:57:28] <rant> :P
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429 [03:29:16] <Jmabsd> the boot messages, as soon as boot is complete the screen switches over to console login, and all those messages are wiped. how do i see them?
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431 [03:31:19] <Nokaji> prolly a log somewhere - that's all I know, try e-search mebbe
432 [03:31:44] <Jmabsd> traditionally the messages used to stick in tty1, so you could just shift+pgup
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441 [03:36:18] <rant> Jmabsd: with the command dmesg, use -T if you want normal human readable timestamps
442 [03:36:35] <rant> its called the kernel message buffer
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444 [03:37:08] <rant> it used to be logged to /var/log/dmesg at boot but I dont think Debian is configured to do that anymore by default it used to be handled by /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
445 [03:37:09] <joepublic> Jmabsd, you might also find /var/log/kern.log[.*] to be interesting.
446 [03:37:10] <Jmabsd> rant: dmesg is kernel output, that still differs from what#s printed out at boot
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448 [03:37:19] <Jmabsd> debian has no /var/log/boot
449 [03:38:04] <rant> I dont see how it could differ.. the kernel message buffer goes all the way back to the kernel command line and its the kernel that prints that and all messages
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451 [03:38:49] <joepublic> "Running my rc.local custom script: Lame self-server starting up... Remember to make code to log this one day..."
452 [03:39:10] <joepublic> not likely to show up in dmesg, very likely to scroll by at boot time under certain circumstances.
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485 [04:10:07] <Jmabsd> i have a binary that requires libssl 1.0.0 exactly, 1.0.2 is not OK
486 [04:10:15] <Jmabsd> i'll just download OpenSSL 1.0.0 and build from sources and make install?
487 [04:10:29] <Jmabsd> "aptitude search libssl" doesn't show any 1.0.0
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489 [04:10:46] <Jmabsd> doing ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.2 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 ; ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.2 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.0
490 [04:10:46] <Jmabsd> didn't work :))
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498 [04:17:35] <Jmabsd> dear, having installed 1.0.0 off the net, trying to start the binary I get: ./grin-miner: /usr/local/lib/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: no version information available (required by ./P) ./grin-miner: /usr/local/lib/libssl.so.1.0.0: no version information available (required by ./P)
499 [04:17:36] <Jmabsd> ./grin-miner: relocation error: ./P: symbol X509_VERIFY_PARAM_set1_host, version OPENSSL_1.0.2 not defined in file libcrypto.so.1.0.0 with link time reference
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501 [04:20:18] <Abdullah> Jmabsd: dpkg -i .deb
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508 [04:21:46] <Jmabsd> Abdullah: wait, how do I find a .deb file that provides openssl 1.0.2 but named libssl/crypto.so.1.0.0 ?
509 [04:21:56] <Jmabsd> the system is bundled with openssl 1.0.2 but named libssl/crypto.so.1.0.2
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511 [04:23:08] <Jmabsd> i think just building from source is doing it, the 1.0.2 sources get named 1.0.0
512 [04:23:09] <Praematura> Forgive me if this may not be the best place to ask for general suggestions, but I'm setting up a brand new computer (to replace older failing systems) and my current plan is to use Debian 9 as the main OS while running VMs (via KVM) to handle my various servers (DNS, web, shell, email), along with the hope of running a VM as my primary desktop using an alternate OS (Ubuntu). I'm curious if there's some general guidelines or
513 [04:23:09] <Praematura> suggestions folks would give on how to lay things out on disk, but more importantly: is my desire to run my actual desktop via a VM going to be an issue?
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517 [04:24:35] <Abdullah> Jmabsd: are you on jessie?
518 [04:24:48] <Jmabsd> Abdullah: latest stable 9.6.. stretch it's called no
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525 [04:28:05] <Abdullah> Jmabsd: # apt install openssl
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531 [04:30:30] <Abdullah> Praematura: Install minimal stretch and setup kvm then do whatever you want
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535 [04:34:26] <Praematura> Abdullah: That's the basic intent, but I'm not sure I can do what I want, namely have one of those VMs be what is used when I log into the system via the console.
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537 [04:35:41] <PaddyF> Abdullah: kvm is the thing then? :)
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539 [04:36:55] <PaddyF> !kvm
540 [04:36:56] <dpkg> Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged as qemu-kvm since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". See replaced-url
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542 [04:39:56] <Abdullah> I have used win10, fedora, and ubuntu in kvm on linux host
543 [04:40:21] <Praematura> Will KVM actually let me do this? I know there's the issue of having the hardware (USB, graphics, etc) having to go through the base OS, but honestly my experience with KVM was sadly limited to headless servers.
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545 [04:41:07] <PaddyF> i know that Qubes OS does pretty neat things with it
546 [04:41:23] <PaddyF> but i could never set it up like this
547 [04:41:41] <Abdullah> Praematura: I had no issue for USB devices, I could redirect them in guests
548 [04:43:42] <Praematura> My idea situation is when I sit down at my computer, the login console I see is for my Ubuntu VM, and once logged in, everything is being handled through said VM. (Gah,I get the feeling I'm explaining this horribly... my old server dying quickly left me far less time to prepare for this than I'd hoped.)
549 [04:44:44] <PaddyF> a controlling terminal so to say?
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552 [04:47:41] <Praematura> Effectively, yes. It would look like I was only running the VM OS rather than doing, say, setting my DISPLAY to the VM and running apps through that.
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555 [04:49:58] <PaddyF> i myself am still playing with virtualbox (and maybe vmware)
556 [04:50:06] <PaddyF> its very easy to handle
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592 [05:28:38] <amvodf> What are your thoughts on connman?
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602 [05:37:26] <Jmabsd> The Nvidia version 390 drivers in Debian Stretch (9.6) didn't work, trying the binary driver installer directly from Nvidia
603 [05:37:30] <Jmabsd> at least it starts.
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628 [05:53:07] <Pendrag0n_away> I have a few programs installed in /usr/bin/ that I would like to know which program they were written in.
629 [05:53:14] <Pendrag0n_away> I know some were written in python
630 [05:53:22] <friendofafriend> Use "file" on them.
631 [05:53:22] <Pendrag0n_away> and others, idk, perhaps "C"
632 [05:53:28] <Pendrag0n_away> I know I can use "strings"
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635 [05:54:07] <Pendrag0n_away> file cmatrix
636 [05:54:08] <Pendrag0n_away> cmatrix: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped
637 [05:54:29] <Pendrag0n_away> friendofafriend: that didn't tell me what language it was written in though..
638 [05:54:35] <amvodf> I installed wicd-curses, kinda very slow,so I went back to using "ip link set interface up" and I get this:" Operation not possible due to RF-Kill"
639 [05:55:07] <friendofafriend> Pendrag0n_away: You know it's an ELF binary, for starters.
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641 [05:55:20] <friendofafriend> amvodf: sudo rfkill unblock all
642 [05:55:50] <amvodf> great thanks!
643 [05:56:00] <friendofafriend> Very welcome, amvodf.
644 [05:59:31] <Abdullah> can we use vps ipv6 in our laptop?
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664 [06:12:31] <amvodf> Is this a good format to use to connect to a public wifi? replaced-url
665 [06:12:37] <amvodf> using wpa_supplicant
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715 [06:54:38] <godmachine81> amvodf, looks like the normal way if you don't use a network manager
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717 [06:55:01] <amvodf> Do you guys have any security tips when accessing public wifi?
718 [06:55:10] <amvodf> using a debian machine.
719 [06:55:23] <Sveta> Don't log in to websites which have no https.
720 [06:55:30] <godmachine81> right
721 [06:55:47] <amvodf> are there any serious vulnerablilities even if you used https?
722 [06:55:55] <Sveta> Don't visit illegal websites, as even with https, the hostnames and your ip are in the logs.
723 [06:56:05] <godmachine81> mitm attacks yes
724 [06:56:18] <amvodf> So far I'm using macchanger
725 [06:56:22] <Sveta> HTTP without the S is not about vulnerability, it is about ALL of the content being transmitted in plain text and potentially logged.
726 [06:56:57] <Sveta> I'm not familiar with mac address; one day I thought it is parmanent but I know of one laptop with which it seems to change on every reboot.
727 [06:57:09] <godmachine81> he is asking if all he does is use https is there a linked vulnerability with open public wifi at least i think thats the question
728 [06:57:14] <Sveta> What are you doing with their wifi, anyway? Perhaps a question for ##security in a way.
729 [06:57:32] <Sveta> Or for wifi vulnerabilities there is ##networking .
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731 [06:57:58] <amvodf> To access say an email.
732 [06:58:02] <godmachine81> a mac adderss is usually hardcoded but its not necessary as long as it is unique between the two peers
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734 [06:58:37] <godmachine81> or the access point and the client i should say
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736 [06:58:57] <SerajewelKS> https is secure in that eavesdropping on content is impossible, if none of the CAs your system trusts have been compromised.
737 [06:59:17] <SerajewelKS> you will still "leak" meta-information such as the domain and IP of the site you are connecting to, and the size of payloads.
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740 [06:59:54] <amvodf> because I'm afraid of accessing the wrong "Essid" thats pretending to be the real ESSID.
741 [07:00:18] <SerajewelKS> even if you are using the real ESSID, ARP poisoning is a thing
742 [07:00:22] <amvodf> is that a possibility, and then you have a man in the middle attaack?
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744 [07:00:52] <SerajewelKS> it would be very difficult for an attacker to break a CA and then specifically target _you_ over public wifi.
745 [07:00:56] <amvodf> because I heard some CA have been stolen, so in theory that's a possiblity?
746 [07:01:04] <SerajewelKS> that's why CRLs are a thing
747 [07:01:05] <amvodf> some CA's
748 [07:01:20] <SerajewelKS> you can also manually distrust CAs that you don't trust
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750 [07:01:47] <SerajewelKS> your question is overly broad though. what kind of attack are you trying to defend against?
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754 [07:06:30] <friendofafriend> When you use public wifi, you should use a VPN.
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758 [07:08:00] <amvodf> SerajewelKS, I have no clue what kind of attack. In general, i just want to prevent say some email account I might log into from being hacked or snooped. Also I want to limit metadata, so I'm using the macchanger. It also seems that wpa_supplicant doesn't tell my hostname to the router.
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760 [07:08:40] <SerajewelKS> accessing your email over HTTPS or any other TLS-secured channel should be sufficient
761 [07:08:54] <SerajewelKS> anyone snooping can see who your email host is and how much data you are exchanging, but that is it
762 [07:09:21] <amvodf> Okay thanks I just want to be assured with you guys.
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766 [07:15:05] <SerajewelKS> if you have a linux server running 24/7 at your home, you can also use the -D or -w options to create a SOCKS forward or tun connection, respectively
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768 [07:15:17] <SerajewelKS> with ssh, i mean
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770 [07:15:40] <SerajewelKS> assuming you have previously verified your ssh server's fingerprint, this establishes a secure tunnel through your home server
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776 [07:17:11] <amvodf> SerajewelKS, Wow that's a nice project
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778 [07:17:37] <SerajewelKS> -D is easy and works with any client software that can use a SOCKS proxy
779 [07:18:03] <SerajewelKS> -w is a bit more complex to set up but will work with anything
780 [07:18:18] <SerajewelKS> basically -D establishes a SOCKS proxy over ssh, and -w establishes a VPN over ssh
781 [07:18:30] <SerajewelKS> -w requires that you know how to set up NAT on the server, and the appropriate routing tables on the client
782 [07:19:06] <SerajewelKS> well, maybe NAT. bridging can also work. it depends on your configuration.
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890 [09:37:54] <c4pt00> replaced-url
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895 [09:41:05] <Lyberta> hi, I'm trying to make my systems more maintainable, I want something that will allow me to specify the reason why *I* manually installed a package, I want reasons to be stored in a tree and I want to be able to remove packages from any node in the tree, is there something like this?
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928 [10:06:02] <Abdullah> SerajewelKS: you said about tunnel I was slept that time
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954 [10:29:12] <sbs> hi
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956 [10:29:39] <sbs> can somebody shed some light on a strange behavior I have on a PI running raspbian
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959 [10:29:57] <sbs> I have a weewx service running, that from time to time hangs
960 [10:30:12] <sbs> manually restarting using service weewx restart works fine 100%
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963 [10:30:43] <sbs> I did a small bash that check if it is hanging and restarts using the same service command, but when it occurs, the service does not restart
964 [10:31:08] <sbs> what kind of environment difference should I expect between my root shell and a crontab shell
965 [10:32:23] <SlidingHorn> !raspbian
966 [10:32:23] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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970 [10:33:03] <sbs> hummpff, unexpected but fair enough
971 [10:33:20] <a__pi> sbs: use full paths in crontab
972 [10:33:52] <sbs> a__pi: like in service /usr/bin/weewx restart ??
973 [10:34:08] <a__pi> yup
974 [10:34:45] <sbs> I'll try that thanks :)
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1002 [11:03:19] <SerajewelKS> sbs: i don't think that's right... more likely the service binary is not in the path. either way, the crontab output should be emailed to root.
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1004 [11:04:15] <sbs> output is rediected to a file, I have no mail.
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1006 [11:04:23] <sbs> the output shows no error
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1016 [11:07:07] <SerajewelKS> i don't know of any distro where the service binary takes a path to the service. usually service is a wrapper for sysvinit or systemd.
1017 [11:07:15] <SerajewelKS> and those systems know where to find the service definitions
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1020 [11:07:33] <sbs> the full path in the service command does not work
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1023 [11:08:39] <SerajewelKS> as i expected
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1025 [11:08:51] <SerajewelKS> try your original command but with stderr properly redirected
1026 [11:09:04] <sbs> I will maybe it'll give me a hint
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1042 [11:22:09] <dokma> I did a pv /dev/sdb /dev/sdd and after that enlarged sdd1 by erasing and recreateing with same start and larger end.
1043 [11:22:26] <dokma> Now I cannot mount sdd1: wrong fs type...
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1045 [11:22:37] <dokma> Am I missing something obvious?
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1048 [11:23:27] <dokma> jelly?
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1056 [11:27:24] <jelly> dokma: ptu back the original partition table and see if that makes the fs reappear?
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1058 [11:27:54] <dokma> will try... running e2fsck on sdd1
1059 [11:28:05] <jelly> does file -s /dev/sdd1 find a singature?
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1062 [11:29:33] <dokma> let me just finnish the e2fsck
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1064 [11:31:50] <dokma> jelly: yes
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1066 [11:33:54] <dokma> it mounted after e2fsck
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1127 [12:08:52] <garo> It's been a long time since i used debian, but now i suddenly see firefox in the repositories
1128 [12:09:34] <garo> wasn't this rebranded to iceweasel for some issue with non-free licenses ?
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1137 [12:10:26] <nkuttler> !firefox
1138 [12:10:26] <dpkg> From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
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1144 [12:12:37] <Brigo> in linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64-unsigned, anybody knows what unsigned stands for?
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1146 [12:12:43] <garo> that just repeats my question :-(
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1148 [12:13:09] <garo> mozilla is now allowing debian to use this name ?
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1153 [12:14:19] <garo> also, why wouldn't debian be allowed to use it if redhat, slackware, ... are ?
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1157 [12:15:08] <nkuttler> !why iceweasel
1158 [12:15:08] <dpkg> Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See replaced-url
1159 [12:16:49] <garo> ok, i'll check the details in wikipedia
1160 [12:16:52] <garo> thanks !
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1174 [12:22:12] <BCMM> wow that factoid might need rebranding
1175 [12:22:15] <BCMM> uh
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1177 [12:22:17] <BCMM> i mean updating
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1528 [16:35:41] <Yamakaja> Hey, i'm trying to install debian in a qemu vm but for some reason i can't manage to get the networking working (The kernel doesn't seem to be loading the interfaces, even though the devices show up in lspci). The netinstaller ends up asking for a cd-rom to install from, which isn't what i was planning on doing. Any suggestions as to what i could b
1529 [16:35:42] <Yamakaja> e doing wrong?
1530 [16:35:53] <Yamakaja> Currently i'm using a virtio device
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1533 [16:36:49] <Yamakaja> Or at least trying to*. ("00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Red Hat, Inc Virtio network device"), "ip -o link | wc -l" => 1
1534 [16:36:56] <blackflow> perhaps the VM has misconfigured network on the host side
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1536 [16:37:26] <Yamakaja> But then it should at least be detecting the interface, shouldn't it
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1541 [16:39:13] <blackflow> Yamakaja: try another NIC driver then
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1543 [16:39:41] <Yamakaja> I've also tried the default intel one
1544 [16:39:53] <Yamakaja> Same result 0.o
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1549 [16:45:30] <blackflow> Yamakaja: how are you using/setting up the VM? WorksForMe(tm) with qemu-system-x86_64 directly
1550 [16:46:04] <blackflow> -net nic,model=virtio and nothing special about it
1551 [16:46:06] <Yamakaja> qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -machine accel=kvm -m 1G -drive file=isos/debian-9.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso,format=raw -drive file=/dev/secondary/debian,format=raw -netdev bridge,br=vmbr0,id=n1 -device virtio-net,netdev=n1
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1553 [16:46:21] <Yamakaja> Where vmbr0 is a bridge connected to the physical network
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1559 [16:48:24] <blackflow> Yamakaja: try -device virtio-net-pci,netdev=n1
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1561 [16:49:30] <Yamakaja> Same result
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1563 [16:49:40] <Yamakaja> PCI devices listed, but no interface available
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1566 [16:50:07] <Yamakaja> Which kernel modules are loaded when you run the installer?
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1568 [16:51:26] <blackflow> dunno otoh, lemme check
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1581 [16:57:29] <blackflow> Yamakaja: hrm, sorry, can't check right now because the VMs and the installer are currently unavailable for me from where I am right now.
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1584 [16:58:09] <blackflow> but uh, virtio NICs should be fully supported by stretch, like I said I use only virtio nics for my VMs
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1587 [16:58:28] <Yamakaja> Yeah, i would have also expected that to be the case ...
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1590 [16:59:00] <blackflow> Yamakaja: any clues in dmesg?
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1593 [16:59:05] <Yamakaja> Nope
1594 [16:59:14] <Yamakaja> I checked that first
1595 [16:59:35] <Yamakaja> I'll try rebooting my host, because why not ^^
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1598 [17:00:04] <blackflow> Yamakaja: oh yeah, which host is this btw? virtio requires host-side kernel support as well
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1603 [17:01:54] <Yamakaja> Arch
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1611 [17:05:30] <Yamakaja> Mhm, the installer doesn't seem to have a virtio module in the iso
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1615 [17:06:08] <blackflow> Yamakaja: it must have, or else I've installed my VMs by sheer magick :)
1616 [17:06:22] <Yamakaja> Are you using the same netinst image?
1617 [17:06:23] <blackflow> btw, does your Arch kernel have CONFIG_VIRTIO_PCI enabled? as =y or =m
1618 [17:07:08] <Yamakaja> CONFIG_VIRTIO_PCI=m
1619 [17:07:14] <Yamakaja> So it's there as a module
1620 [17:07:59] <Yamakaja> Lets see if loading virtio_pci on the host helps
1621 [17:08:03] <blackflow> is it loaded? lsmod | grep -i virtio
1622 [17:08:11] <blackflow> well yeah, virtio_pci should've been loaded
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1624 [17:08:26] <Yamakaja> Well, didn't help :/
1625 [17:08:31] <blackflow> ahhh I think I see... you run the VMs unprivileged, yes? you're in the kvm group?
1626 [17:08:39] <Yamakaja> Nope, as root
1627 [17:09:06] <blackflow> but is the module loaded?
1628 [17:09:19] <Yamakaja> Yes: virtio_pci 28672 0
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1630 [17:09:54] <blackflow> oh. then I'm out of ideas, sorry. I can check later when my VMs become available (I'm outside of the network where they run from, atm)
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1632 [17:10:19] <Yamakaja> Alright, thanks
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1675 [17:41:30] <jhutchins> qemu
1676 [17:41:34] <jhutchins> !qemu
1677 [17:41:35] <dpkg> QEMU is a fast PC emulator. replaced-url
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1681 [17:43:29] <blackflow> Yamakaja: virtio, virtio_net, _blk, _pci, _ring, all present and ip a shows ens3 interface
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1683 [17:43:43] <blackflow> Yamakaja: ran installer, switched to another tty, ran lsmod
1684 [17:43:53] <Yamakaja> Lol 0.o
1685 [17:43:57] <Yamakaja> Which installer image was that?
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1687 [17:44:26] <blackflow> debian-9.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso downloaded from debian.org redirector
1688 [17:44:33] <blackflow> liteally this ISO: replaced-url
1689 [17:44:41] <Yamakaja> ?! - That's the one i'm using
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1691 [17:45:58] <Yamakaja> The only modules that are loaded for me are isofs, sd_mod, sr_mod, cdrom, ata_generic, ata_piix, libata and scsi_mod
1692 [17:46:26] <Yamakaja> Also can't load them
1693 [17:46:35] <Yamakaja> (Not present on the installer image, like i said earlier)
1694 [17:46:48] <blackflow> I suspect something's wrong on the host side. My host is ubuntu bionic, but the same VMs worked on gentoo and a debian stretch laptop
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1696 [17:47:54] <blackflow> Yamakaja: find /lib/ -name '*virtio*' ?
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1702 [17:49:12] <Yamakaja> find /lib -name '*virt*' | wc -l => 0
1703 [17:49:53] <blackflow> what's the md5sum of your ISO file? mine is 0a5352e3568bc893a9f7b65192caf1e1
1704 [17:50:24] <Yamakaja> 0a5352e3568bc893a9f7b65192caf1e1
1705 [17:50:26] <Yamakaja> .-.
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1707 [17:51:51] <blackflow> Yamakaja: weird, no idea what's happening.
1708 [17:52:17] <jhutchins> Yamakaja: You should be able to install a bare-bones system with netinstall even without a networ (though I haven't fumbled through what boxes to click).
1709 [17:52:31] <blackflow> btw, the modules aren't loaded until the installer comes to the network config phase, then they're loaded, but the .ko files should be present in the filesystem, that part is weird
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1711 [17:52:51] <Yamakaja> I don't think the installer even has a network config phase for me
1712 [17:52:55] <Yamakaja> I'll record it for you
1713 [17:53:02] <jhutchins> My guess would be how networking is configured on the host. I believe VirtualBox offers Nat, Host-Only, and Bridged.
1714 [17:53:07] <blackflow> jhutchins: any idea why they don't seem to have virtio .ko files and I do, for the same netinst ISO?
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1716 [17:53:21] <blackflow> jhutchins: this is qemu-system-x86_64 kvm
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1718 [17:53:51] <jhutchins> blackflow: Perhaps the netinstall doesn't have files for virtualization on the OS portion, even if it can install them.
1719 [17:54:08] <blackflow> well I see them with find, they're under /lib/
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1723 [17:54:26] <jhutchins> I believe that the utilities for VBox are non-free, that may be the problem here.
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1727 [17:56:12] <blackflow> Yamakaja: oh I see. only after the initial locale/country selection, the installer loads "additional components" and only then do the virtio modules become available under /lib/
1728 [17:56:21] <blackflow> jhutchins: this is NOT virtualbox
1729 [17:57:10] <Yamakaja> blackflow yeah, the part where the additional stuff is loaded seems to be the problem
1730 [17:57:17] <Yamakaja> It wants some additional CDs or something
1731 [17:57:41] <blackflow> Yamakaja: could be the locale you tried to select that triggers it?
1732 [17:58:33] <blackflow> Yamakaja: try language "English" (first selection), country "United States" (second) and it should jump straight into loading additional components and then network setup
1733 [17:58:47] <Yamakaja> Results in "Detect and mount CD-ROM"
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1736 [18:00:13] <Yamakaja> replaced-url
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1738 [18:00:27] <blackflow> Yamakaja: reboot the VM and try again? maybe something left from previous selection kept in that state
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1742 [18:01:06] <blackflow> Yamakaja: you didn't do English -> United States choice
1743 [18:01:09] <Yamakaja> blackflow you have no idea how many times i've rebooted that vm :P
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1745 [18:01:15] <jhutchins> blackflow: Yes, I understand that this is qemu, not virtualbox. My experience is with VB, VMWare, and Parallels.
1746 [18:01:15] <blackflow> try that, so no non-us locales are attempted
1747 [18:01:18] <Yamakaja> blackflow not in that video, but afterwards
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1750 [18:01:55] <blackflow> jhutchins: which is then not applicable :) all three are proprietary and require out of tree modules.
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1753 [18:03:17] <blackflow> Yamakaja: I don't know what the installer does internally. quite possible it detects no NICs and jumps straight into requiring a CD for local installation. So that goes back to initial suggestion of host side misconfiugration or something.
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1756 [18:03:58] <joepublic> Yamakaja, qemu/kvm has a range of network adapters to choose from, such as ne2kpci or e1000
1757 [18:03:58] <Yamakaja> I'll try booting an arch iso
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1759 [18:04:38] <joepublic> And in my experience, the speed benefits of the virtio card are pretty much wiped out in environments that do not support that "card".
1760 [18:04:54] <blackflow> joepublic: I asked about that before, but Yamakaja suggested that the same happens with any NIC
1761 [18:05:05] <joepublic> ok.
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1763 [18:05:23] <Yamakaja> Yeah, this wasn't the first nic i tried
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1766 [18:06:06] <blackflow> Yamakaja: stupid question, but does that br device exist on the host side?
1767 [18:06:14] <Yamakaja> Lol, yes
1768 [18:06:28] <Yamakaja> That's not the issue, the same seems to apply to all kinds of networking
1769 [18:06:43] <jhutchins> This looks to me to be more likely something with the Emulator than the installer.
1770 [18:06:45] <Yamakaja> I.e. even passing no network arguments at all (Which should result in the default setup) yields the same result
1771 [18:07:20] <Yamakaja> jhutchins the thing is, the VM / installer does see the nic pci devices. The kernel just doesn't pick them up as interfaces
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1775 [18:07:49] <blackflow> Yamakaja: what if you tried no br setup, with -net nic,model=virtio -net user,hostname=test ?
1776 [18:07:52] <rant> thats done by a driver
1777 [18:08:10] <rant> a driver who has an alias for the vend/prod ids of the hardware
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1780 [18:08:54] <Yamakaja> Lets see what arch does
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1783 [18:09:14] <Yamakaja> Lol, everything's working fine with arch
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1800 [18:13:47] <Yamakaja> These DVDs are 3.4G :/ replaced-url
1801 [18:13:58] <Yamakaja> (I'm on a shared 16Mbit line)
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1809 [18:15:50] <PaddyF> Yamakaja: is using the netinstall iso no option?
1810 [18:15:59] <Yamakaja> PaddyF that's what i'm trying to do ...
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1819 [18:19:43] <joepublic> I have a blu-ray debian stretch install set around here somewhere
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1826 [18:22:15] <blackflow> Yamakaja: there's the xfce-CD-1.iso that should suffice for base debian installation, only 640M
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1829 [18:22:30] <blackflow> Yamakaja: replaced-url
1830 [18:22:35] <Yamakaja> Alright, i'll try that
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1836 [18:26:18] <dvs> At least there's a network connection?
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1850 [18:33:32] <blackflow> Yamakaja: what if you tried with -netdev type=user ?
1851 [18:33:49] <Yamakaja> I'll try in a second. The iso just finished downloading
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1854 [18:34:23] <PaddyF> ,v python3-notebook
1855 [18:34:24] <judd> Package: python3-notebook on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 4.2.3-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.2.3-4; buster: 5.4.1-1; sid: 5.4.1-1
1856 [18:34:54] <Yamakaja> Yeah no, didn't help .-.
1857 [18:34:56] <PaddyF> mayer version bump, hmmm
1858 [18:35:10] <PaddyF> mayor even
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1862 [18:35:59] <Yamakaja> major? :P
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1865 [18:36:39] <blackflow> Yamakaja: okay, I thought maybe the bridged mode borked somethign, seems not. I guess the offline ISO is what you should do for now. I'd be _very_ curious to know if the final debian installation can use the network normally.
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1867 [18:37:48] <Yamakaja> Ugh, that's going to take ~2 hours just to download :/
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1869 [18:38:06] <blackflow> I thoguht you said the xfce iso is nearly done?
1870 [18:38:29] <blackflow> actually "just finished downloading"
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1874 [18:39:23] <randy408> what are the chances of a new package getting into Buster at this stage?
1875 [18:39:39] <Yamakaja> blackflow yeah, that iso didn't help either
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1877 [18:40:00] <blackflow> Yamakaja: help in what way? you don't need network during installation, do you?
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1879 [18:40:03] <Yamakaja> The behavior was exactly the same
1880 [18:40:19] <Yamakaja> It was asking for a disk
1881 [18:40:22] <blackflow> ohwait... can you post your entire qemu-system-x86_64 line again?
1882 [18:40:43] <Yamakaja> qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -machine accel=kvm -m 1G -drive file=isos/debian-9.6.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso,format=raw -drive file=/dev/secondary/debian,format=raw -netdev bridge,br=vmbr0,id=n1 -device virtio-net-pci,netdev=n1
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1893 [18:45:05] <blackflow> Yamakaja: I think you've set up the disks wrong. Instead of using -drive for the ISO, try using -boot d -cdrom /path/to/ISO and leave the -drive file=/.... for the main disk image
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1895 [18:45:26] <Yamakaja> Huh, but it's boot fine, isn't it?
1896 [18:45:34] <blackflow> JustTryIt(tm) :)
1897 [18:45:44] <Yamakaja> ^^ on it
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1902 [18:46:44] <blackflow> Yamakaja: your example would boot because the ISO is given as a regular drive and thus the hypervisor finds it bootable
1903 [18:47:36] <Yamakaja> LOL, looks like that worked?!
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1907 [18:48:15] <blackflow> Yamakaja: right. you confused the in-VM kernel wrt what's /dev/vda and where it should fetch the additional components from
1908 [18:48:23] <blackflow> s/kernel/installer
1909 [18:49:03] <Yamakaja> Looks like that's what's been happening
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1911 [18:49:27] <blackflow> with -boot d -cdorom /path/to/iso you force the iso under /dev/cdrom device in the VM, and -boot d forces the "first virtual cdrom drive" to be tried first
1912 [18:49:42] <blackflow> -cdrom*
1913 [18:50:35] <Datz> cat /etc/issue gives me Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l So looks like I'm terrible and forgot to upgrade. Can I still do so over the command line? apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't seem to work.
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1915 [18:51:22] <blackflow> Yamakaja: sorry I was focused on network issues earlier and didn't read your qemu invocation line properly
1916 [18:52:13] <Yamakaja> Heh, no problem
1917 [18:52:21] <Yamakaja> And i've learned to never load isos as regular disks lol
1918 [18:53:10] <friendofafriend> Datz: You'd have to change your sources.
1919 [18:53:53] <Datz> where can I get the source list I should use?
1920 [18:54:54] <blackflow> Yamakaja: even if the installer was fully loaded from the beginning and didn't try to load additional components later, you'd likely have problems with /dev/vdb used during installation suddenly becomming /dev/vda on next boo, breaking things. iirc rootfs is fstab'd via uuid so that part would still work, but other things might fail, eg. separate /boot if you wanted one. so yeah, defo not use the
1921 [18:55:01] <blackflow> ISO as a regular drive :)
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1925 [18:56:52] <Datz> friendofafriend: should I update my sources list to this and try again? replaced-url
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1928 [18:58:02] <friendofafriend> Datz: Looks light. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
1929 [18:58:08] <friendofafriend> right**
1930 [18:58:30] <Datz> ok, great
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1936 [19:04:08] <Datz> just curious, aptitude could also be used?
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1939 [19:04:27] <Datz> differnt tool, same end result?
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1945 [19:10:12] <Datz> anywhoo, upgrading :)
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1952 [19:13:53] <whislock> Datz: I'd suggest using apt or apt-get.
1953 [19:14:09] <Datz> upsed apt-get
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2018 [19:50:03] <johnkeates> Hans, you here?
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2024 [19:51:28] <oo_miguel> some programms expect a string as "-adobe-*-*-r-*--0-200-*-*-p-*-*-*" to specify a font. How can I 1.find out what are my options. 2.easily obtain extra fonts as this, if none should meet my requirements
2025 [19:52:01] <oo_miguel> my main interest is to increase the size of some fonts.
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2030 [19:55:38] <nkuttler> oo_miguel: xlsfonts
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2038 [19:59:37] <oo_miguel> thank you
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2042 [20:01:17] <brokencycle> Hi! I have a laptop with two graphics cards, one nvidia, and one intel. Would I report a bug against the linux-kernel package, or against one of the xorg packages?
2043 [20:01:41] <brokencycle> The problem appears in dmesg.
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2102 [20:37:46] <inquisitiv3> I'm having trouble getting network connection inside my KVM live guests. I'm using Libvirt and QEMU. The host is running Debian Sid. Tested booth with NixOS and Debian Stretch 9.6 Live with Gnome. The systems use the virtio device for NIC and recognize it when checking `ip a`. The way I try to check network connection is pinging google (`google.com`) and Cloudflare's DNS (`1.1.1.1`).
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2104 [20:38:31] <inquisitiv3> Seeing that both guests has the same problem I'm led to believe there's something with my host OS. No problems pinging the servers from the host.
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2106 [20:39:26] <SerajewelKS> inquisitiv3: what network mode is the virtual adapter in? is the virtual NIC actually connected to anything?
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2108 [20:39:41] <inquisitiv3> I've earlier tried get Wireguard working, but I wasn't successful. Have since then uninstalled Wireguard, its dependencies, removed `/etc/wireguard` and rebooted the whole machine.
2109 [20:40:25] <inquisitiv3> SerajewelKS: The network source is the virtual network 'default' (NAT) if that's what you're wondering.
2110 [20:40:48] <SerajewelKS> and the guest gets an IP from DHCP?
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2113 [20:40:53] <inquisitiv3> I started it manually by executing `sudo virsh net-start default` in the terminal
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2116 [20:41:48] <inquisitiv3> How do I check if they've received IP addresses?
2117 [20:42:08] <inquisitiv3> Little unsure about the output from `ip a`
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2119 [20:42:52] <SerajewelKS> does ip a show an address at all?
2120 [20:43:07] <SerajewelKS> "inet x.x.x.x/x"
2121 [20:43:30] <SerajewelKS> obviously under the virtualized network adapter, no lo or others
2122 [20:44:00] <inquisitiv3> Some output from `ip a`: "[...] inet 192.168.122.84/24 brd 192.168.122.255 scope global dynamic enp1s0 [...]".
2123 [20:44:12] <SerajewelKS> can you ping the gateway?
2124 [20:44:24] <SerajewelKS> "ip route" will show you the routing table
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2128 [20:45:21] <ntz> hello
2129 [20:46:21] <ntz> can somebody please tell me if debian 8 and 9 supports a -d flag for lsof ? (eg delimiter)
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2132 [20:46:46] <ntz> writing some script but I don't have debiab here
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2134 [20:46:54] <ntz> s/debiab/debian/
2135 [20:48:08] <inquisitiv3> SerajewelKS: Excuse me, how do I find the IP address to the gateway? My networking knowledge isn't very good.
2136 [20:48:40] <inquisitiv3> Here's a screenshoot of the output from the `ip` command. Not able to copy text from the VM to the host. replaced-url
2137 [20:48:41] <inquisitiv3> replaced-url
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2140 [20:50:04] <ntz> inquisitiv3: it's the `default' gateway in `ip r' so 192.168.122.1
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2143 [20:51:23] <LtL> inquisitiv3: 'route -n'
2144 [20:52:07] <inquisitiv3> Thanks! I'm getting answers when I ping 192.168.122.1 from the guest.
2145 [20:52:50] <inquisitiv3> LtL: It doesn't seems that `route` is installed on the Live CD :/
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2148 [20:53:20] <LtL> inquisitiv3: never used one, 'ip route' is better anyway
2149 [20:53:48] <whislock> route, as with the other net-tools commands, have been deprecated for ten years.
2150 [20:53:53] <LtL> inquisitiv3: its /sbin/route btw
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2152 [20:54:14] <whislock> inquisitiv3: Use 'ip route'.
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2155 [20:55:05] <inquisitiv3> whislock, LtL: Thanks for the explanation. Output from running the command: replaced-url
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2160 [21:03:15] <LtL> ntz: man lsof says yes.
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2168 [21:08:51] <inquisitiv3> Any ideas what my problem could be?
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2233 [21:33:37] <littlebit> hi people, I have moved my raid5 array to a new debian os and i wanted to rebuild that raid5. is
2234 [21:33:54] <littlebit> it possible to reassemble that array?
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2236 [21:35:28] <friendofafriend> Is it broken?
2237 [21:35:41] <littlebit> no
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2239 [21:35:56] <littlebit> I moved to a new hardware and newly installed debian
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2245 [21:37:42] <cryptodan_mobile> littlebit: did you reassemble the drives in the right order if not then the raid is damaged
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2248 [21:40:05] <littlebit> cryptodan_mobile: i googled around and all drives are in a clean state. "mdadm --assemble --scan" sounds plausible
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2262 [21:46:23] <SerajewelKS> littlebit: that should work if the drives aren't damaged and they used dmraid previously. the drives would have metadata indicating which drive is which and the array should assemble itself.
2263 [21:46:34] <SerajewelKS> if the raid was hardware raid then that won't work (but won't damage anything, either)
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2353 [22:37:42] <KOLANICH> Hi everybody. How to install graal to Debian correctly? I mean its archive is unpacked into a bunch of dirs, some look like they belong to /usr/, like lib ane bin, other ones look like they should nkt be there, and Oracle official Docker just unpacks the stuff i to /opt and adds to PATH
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2365 [22:42:19] <jhutchins> ,v graal
2366 [22:42:21] <judd> No package named 'graal' was found in amd64.
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2369 [22:42:49] <jhutchins> KOLANICH: So probably not a debian question.
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2377 [22:46:59] <KOLANICH> jhutchins: graal is not a package and is distributed as a prebuilt zip archive by Oracle (sources are also available). When unpacked it gives dirs like /bin /lib etc which are obviously belong to /usr, but also /jre which obviously doesn't
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2387 [22:51:57] <jhutchins> KOLANICH: I would have to get explanations of how it's meant to be installed and used. Possibly from Oracle, they seem to do pretty good documentation.
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2390 [22:53:03] <sn00ker> hi all
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2393 [22:53:29] <KOLANICH> jhutchins: Oracle has docs, and in this docks it is said to just unpack somewhere and add into PATH. replaced-url
2394 [22:53:47] <sn00ker> does anyone know better server software than srs or nginx? or am I just too stupid to configure it correctly?
2395 [22:53:49] <KOLANICH> *these docs
2396 [22:55:04] <jhutchins> sn00ker: If you aren't getting nginx, just go with apache. Lots of documentation, standardization, community knowledge, etc.
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2398 [22:55:39] <phogg> KOLANICH: man hier; I believe /opt is the usual dumping ground for stuff like that
2399 [22:55:46] <sn00ker> Oh well. I need a rmtp server for live streaming
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2402 [22:56:09] <jhutchins> KOLANICH: Also /usr/local/
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2404 [22:56:29] <KOLANICH> phogg: Yes, they do exactly this in their docker images.
2405 [22:56:36] <jhutchins> KOLANICH: It's not unusual for that kind of package to have internal /etc and /lib /and /var folders.
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2408 [22:57:42] <KOLANICH> jhutchins: so they shouldn't be unpacked into /usr, should they?
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2413 [22:58:45] <phogg> KOLANICH: In your situation I would either (a) unpack it in to /usr/local, if it doesn't break the rules too badly, or (b) repackage it so it can be put in /usr/local without doing things like e.g. putting runtime writable files there, or (c) just hold my nose and dump it in /opt.
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2415 [22:59:48] <phogg> non-Debian sources tend to have a very... relaxed, which is to say *incorrect* IMNSHO, attitude toward the question of where files should go. Trust no one.
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2418 [23:02:35] <jaggz> in kde, anyone know what made my mouse selection's copy/paste stop working as well as window title-bar drag (move window)?
2419 [23:03:12] <jaggz> all other mouse clicks and movements seem fine. selection works fine, but it doesn't copy to the clipboard from konsole.. and I can't drag windows around
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2422 [23:03:23] <jhutchins> jaggz: Which release?
2423 [23:03:29] <jaggz> selection works to copy/paste here in irc.. hrm.
2424 [23:03:36] <jaggz> jhutchins, stable
2425 [23:04:02] <jaggz> alt-tab isn't switching windows either
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2427 [23:04:35] <jaggz> 9.6
2428 [23:05:03] <jaggz> it WAS working but something happened within the past day
2429 [23:05:14] <jaggz> (haven't rebooted nor restarted my x session. I have restartd plasma)
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2445 [23:14:57] <phogg> jaggz: on a guess there is some program somewhere which is interfering.
2446 [23:15:01] <jhutchins> !kde
2447 [23:15:02] <dpkg> KDE software is based on the Qt toolkit. See replaced-url
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2454 [23:19:26] <jaggz> phogg, hrm.. closed down everything but irc and a konsole.. will wait for its apt update to finish before closing it down too.. might restart me X
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2458 [23:20:26] <phogg> jaggz: I would look at the process list, too. It may not be anything that shows up as a window.
2459 [23:20:54] <jaggz> phogg, that's an interesting idea.. k
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2463 [23:23:10] <storrgie> anyone have netdata installed from stretch-backports? It seemed to have just updated but now it wont run (it's masked in systemd and removing the mask allows it to run but it seems to just immediately stop)
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2466 [23:24:47] <LtL> storrgie: try 'aptitude why-not netdata'
2467 [23:25:31] <storrgie> don't have aptitude installed, should I install it? I've just been using apt as a wrapper
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2469 [23:25:48] <LtL> storrgie: sure, why-not!
2470 [23:26:10] <storrgie> well I'd prefer to minimize my package set
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2472 [23:26:56] <LtL> storrgie: aptitude is better at some things over apt. it's your call.
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2477 [23:28:03] <storrgie> LtL, replaced-url
2478 [23:28:13] <storrgie> I am confused by this, I thought I told apt to upgrade netdata
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2482 [23:31:31] <LtL> storrgie: is netdata installed? apt install -t stretch-backports netdata
2483 [23:32:17] <LtL> storrgie: either way, use that command to fetch it from backports
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2485 [23:34:00] <storrgie> interesting, so it was installed (i was using it)
2486 [23:34:19] <LtL> storrgie: it may be, apt -t stretch-backports install netdata
2487 [23:34:26] <storrgie> and i did an `apt update; apt list --upgradeable` and then did an `apt full-upgrade`
2488 [23:34:37] <storrgie> and then it seems like it was in a strange half state?
2489 [23:35:14] <LtL> storrgie: do apt-cache policy netdata .. see which is installed now
2490 [23:36:52] <storrgie> it's for sure the stretch-backports (it was before as well)
2491 [23:37:21] <LtL> storrgie: then any upgrade will upgrade it.
2492 [23:37:47] <storrgie> yeah, thats why I'm confused
2493 [23:37:53] <storrgie> it did upgrade (but got into that weird state
2494 [23:37:55] <LtL> you don't need to specify with -t once installed.
2495 [23:37:57] <storrgie> in my paste
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2498 [23:40:15] <Datz> Hi, I'm trying to upgrade debian, I'm now stuck on updating phpmyadmin, I can
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2500 [23:40:24] <LtL> the paste just says aptitude isn't installed, and seems to say you have the bpo version installed
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2503 [23:40:44] <Datz> I can't get the password correct, and I see now way to get out of this update look, or cancel. Any ideas?
2504 [23:40:45] <LtL> of netdata, dpkg -l netdata
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2516 [23:48:48] <LtL> storrgie: have you tried systemctl restart netdata or systemctl unmask netdata.service
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2519 [23:50:42] <kirillkh> hi, I have a machine running in headless mode that is connected to wifi using wpa_supplicant. I noticed that at least once it disconnected from wifi and stopped retrying. how can I make it keep retrying forever? replaced-url
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2535 [23:58:15] <Sinewpy> ;{
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2537 [23:58:39] <Sinewpy> miku?
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