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• 3[00:00:40] <karlpinc> ussie: FYI, I like the syntatic-sugar that ferm brings to writing firewall rules. You still need to be able to understand and read iptables, but you write ferm rules which are a lot more clear and concise.
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• 8[00:01:57] <ussie> <karlpinc> well I understand it is not easy to write rules and thats why I use only new rules at once ;)
• 9[00:02:01] <SerajewelKS> my tables are usually script-generated anyway so there's a decent amount of interwoven bash with the rules
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• 11[00:02:19] <SerajewelKS> (my scripts generate output that can be piped to iptables-restore)
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• 13[00:02:36] <AK_> SerajewelKS: Thanks, I'll try
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• 22[00:06:28] <ussie> here is iptables nvL -> replaced-url
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• 30[00:08:33] <ussie> i thought that default policy drops if no rule matches, but i use root account and it is dropping me :|
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• 40[00:17:30] <Kobaz> what's the command to remove autoinstalled packages
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• 46[00:21:34] <SerajewelKS> Kobaz: apt autoremove
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• 54[00:25:34] <xdruppi> is it possible to see if a package can be a dependency of another package? in my case i want to check if firmware-realtek can depend on other package
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• 58[00:27:57] <Kobaz> apt-cache depends
• 59[00:28:04] <AK_> SerajewelKS: replaced-url
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• 61[00:28:54] <AK_> SerajewelKS: it won't work I just realized.
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• 64[00:30:00] <pddalm> or just "apt depends", tested it now to see if it worked
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• 66[00:30:30] <AK_> I use mod+i to show/hide kitten. so if its hidden and I press keybinds, it will kill hidden one and come up with new one?
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• 69[00:35:01] <AK_> oh yeah, if pid exists, then show kitten, if not launch kitten and show it?
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• 71[00:35:39] <somiaj> What wm is being used for this, sometimes you can check if a window exists by checking againts its name, or maybe use xprop
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• 74[00:36:14] <AK_> somiaj: that would be great if you explain, WM is i3
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• 76[00:37:05] <somiaj> xdruppi: there are various tools to search for dependencies. apt-rdepends can search though dependencies, also aptitude search is very powerful. But if you want to know what packages firmware-realtek depends on directly, apt show firmware-realtek will list its depends. If you want to check if something depends down the line, apt-rdepends can list the depends of every dependent package listing them all.
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• 78[00:38:08] <AK_> I had achieved it in dwm when I was on dwm. I think the repo I had is replaced-url
• 79[00:38:19] <xdruppi> somiaj: i got some answers, thanks, also i want to know what packages could depend on THAT package, i know firmware-realtek doesn't depend on anything, but can something depend on it?
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• 81[00:39:24] <somiaj> I only nkow how to do it in fvwm off hand, but seems with i3 you have to use the shell, but found this in google: exec [ $(ps h -C firefox | wc -l) = 0 ] && firefox that checkes that there is no program named firefox, then launches firefox.
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• 83[00:39:51] <somiaj> But I'm not seeing how to check if a window is shown/hidden in i3
• 84[00:40:12] <SerajewelKS> AK_: it would only kill it if you write the script to kill it
• 85[00:40:20] <AK_> somiaj: lemme check it.
• 86[00:40:22] <SerajewelKS> AK_: you can have the script do whatever you want when it finds the pid is present
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• 88[00:40:29] <somiaj> google seems to suggest you can use xdotool to check if it is hidden or not in a shell and act accordinly
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• 90[00:41:10] <SerajewelKS> ^ though note the pid in your script is the pid of the shell and not the terminal
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• 93[00:41:45] <SerajewelKS> so instead you may want to background the terminal, write the shell's pid ($?) into the pidfile, then foreground the terminal (fg) so that it blocks
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• 96[00:42:29] <SerajewelKS> trap exit to remove the pidfile, then when the script starts and the pidfile is there, you have the pid of the actual terminal and you may be able to use that with various X tools to then determine the X window ID, etc.
• 97[00:42:33] <A|an> What is the ./confugure attribute that one can include during installation that facilitates later removal of the package?
• 98[00:42:42] <A|an> (or did i dream it)
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• 100[00:42:53] <SerajewelKS> A|an: personally i use --prefix=/opt/$programname
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• 102[00:43:01] <SerajewelKS> A|an: then i can just rm -fr /opt/$programname later
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• 104[00:43:27] <somiaj> A|an: if one still has the source they insatlled from with 'make install' some can be uninstalled by running 'make uninstall'
• 105[00:43:33] <SerajewelKS> A|an: there's also checkinstall, which will monitor a "make install" run and build a shim package that will rm all of those files on removal
• 106[00:43:35] <A|an> So you simply use ./configure initialy?
• 107[00:43:37] <somiaj> A|an: though gnu stow or check-install maybe more useful
• 108[00:43:39] <somiaj> !stop
• 109[00:43:39] <dpkg> Collaborate. Listen.
• 110[00:43:44] <somiaj> !stow
• 111[00:43:44] <dpkg> methinks stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. replaced-url
• 112[00:44:12] <A|an> smoniaj: yes, that's what I vaguely recalled
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• 117[00:45:05] <A|an> yes! checkinstall, that's what it was
• 118[00:45:07] <A|an> thanks
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• 128[00:51:38] <AK_> btw I use stow to manage my dotfiles ;-)
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• 137[00:57:07] <jzelinskie> is there a place where i can programmatically generate mappings between debian codenames and their respective release numbers?
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• 139[00:57:16] <jzelinskie> e.g. squeeze => debian 6
• 140[00:57:49] <jzelinskie> I'd rather not maintain the list manually in code, but generate it dynamically and have the service sync every so often
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• 161[01:09:19] <GumShoe> Looking for tips / links to get a letsencrypt cert for a NATed host.
• 162[01:09:29] <A|an> somiaj: To cut to the chase and ask, can stow be used in conjunction with check install? Or is it one or the other?
• 163[01:10:12] <Kobaz> how would i set the default gnome font? been playing with stuff like: gconftool-2 --set --type string /desktop/gnome/interface/monospace_font_name "Inconsolata 18"
• 164[01:10:20] <Kobaz> is there a way to 'activate' it
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• 166[01:10:33] <Kobaz> restarting affected apps doesn't seem to do anything
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• 169[01:12:14] <A|an> <K_: Interesting idea. I've dl'd the stow documentation (I wasn't aware it) and read through it.
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• 173[01:18:24] <pddalm> jzelinskie: the codenames are here: replaced-url
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• 180[01:21:12] <trysten> I think i broke my networking on my debian dev server using this docker container: replaced-url
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• 187[01:24:19] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: there's nothing special about NAT, except that you need to forward port 80 in to it
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• 191[01:24:42] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: all you need to do is make sure you have public DNS for the cert CN you want pointing to the IP of the NAT router, then have the NAT forward port 80 in to that host
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• 193[01:25:01] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: that port forward must be active every time you need to renew the cert
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• 195[01:25:26] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: you don't really even need the port forward, if you can get the challenge on to an HTTP server on the NAT router itself (or wherever port 80 currently points)
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• 199[01:26:30] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: for example if the current port forward points to a "main" http server and you have another internal http server that needs it, you can mount the main server's .well-known in the htdocs root over the network using sshfs or nfs or something
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• 201[01:27:04] <trysten> Indeed, GumShoe. certbot runs on my nat'd apache subdomains with default options. I just run it and select an online subdomain to enable.
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• 203[01:28:32] <SerajewelKS> if you have a fleet of http servers behind nat and you need certs on all, having them all mount the primary server's .well-known is the way to go, then they can all stuff challenge responses there
• 204[01:28:55] <SerajewelKS> especially if you automount it, then it's totally hands off and you can renew them in cron without any interaction
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• 206[01:29:31] <GumShoe> Just one host. And I want to double it up on mosquitto and minio
• 207[01:31:15] <SerajewelKS> if it's just one http server then yeah, just forward port 80 to it
• 208[01:31:17] <GumShoe> I'm going to use minio as a backend for restic
• 209[01:31:51] <GumShoe> I'm thiking from the last time I tried comcast blocks 80
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• 211[01:32:20] <SerajewelKS> i had comcast for awhile and they didn't for me :/
• 212[01:32:24] <GumShoe> I think there is another way if I put some TXT records in my dns server.
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• 214[01:32:34] <SerajewelKS> ah, yes. there is that. but it's not automated.
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• 216[01:32:56] <SerajewelKS> unless you write a wrapper script that invokes certbot, parses out the challenges, updates your DNS provider, then re-runs certbot
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• 218[01:33:04] <SerajewelKS> certbot itself doesn't have a way to communicate the DNS changes
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• 270[02:07:21] <trysten> i'm uninstalling the docker.com deb and installing the official debian deb, which I should have done before I asked here >.>
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• 287[02:19:17] <echoSMILE> if the installer don't detect network adapter (when motherboard has two) that means it need 'special' drivers?
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• 289[02:19:43] <abrotman> echoSMILE: you might, there are some that require firmware to be functional ..
• 290[02:19:46] <abrotman> !firmware installer
• 291[02:19:47] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
• 292[02:19:52] <abrotman> doh
• 293[02:19:55] <abrotman> dpkg: firmware images
• 294[02:19:55] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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• 302[02:22:30] <echoSMILE> abrotman debian live installer needs internet?
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• 307[02:24:03] <echoSMILE> debian live installer needs internet?
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• 310[02:25:40] <j2daosh> hello all. I am trying to backup a device sdcard for a LED lightshow system but I think i may have an issue with permissions. I popped the card into my debian based linux, I can get at everything as root, but i am seeing an owner of 'Debian-ow' and a group of 'crontab'. my system doesn't have those accounts. so, how do i find out what the UID of that file is so i can set it appropriately and when i pop in the flash drive the system c
• 311[02:25:51] <j2daosh> echoSMILE: probably to try and update packages
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• 313[02:27:01] <abrotman> echoSMILE: I haven't used the live installer
• 314[02:27:07] <j2daosh> nevermind, just figured it out (ls -ntr)
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• 316[02:28:53] <j2daosh> wait... its 104 and 107... i have those on my system. does that mean the linux lightshow OS is debian? or does it just see a UID of 104/107 and lookup in my linux what those IDs are and prints the match?
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• 332[02:44:14] <rant> echoSMILE: no it doesn't but its not really a good idea.. the live install will result in many GB of additional language packs, translations, language utilities, etc.. last time I used it.. the install is nearly double in size
• 333[02:44:30] <dominix> what is the purpose of vlan aware in a network interface bridge config ? I don't understand it.
• 334[02:45:17] <dominix> if I do not use vlan aware I can use my vlan with no trouble ... ( I use proxmox )
• 335[02:45:19] <echoSMILE> rant ok. tks
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• 537[03:05:19] <echoSMILE> how to disable X and GUI on boot?
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• 539[03:05:27] <echoSMILE> debian strech
• 540[03:05:35] <abrotman> echoSMILE: did you install a DM?
• 541[03:05:41] <echoSMILE> DM?
• 542[03:05:49] <abrotman> GDM KDM, et
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• 544[03:05:51] <abrotman> etc
• 545[03:05:53] <abrotman> a graphical login
• 546[03:05:55] <echoSMILE> xfce
• 547[03:06:01] <abrotman> dpkg: tell echoSMILE about nodm
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• 553[03:06:45] <echoSMILE> ty
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• 584[03:14:22] <echoSMILE> is there a way to on boot the system dont clean the screen ?
• 585[03:14:39] <echoSMILE> or, can I see the boot messages?
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• 593[03:16:36] <dvs> echoSMILE, /var/log/messages usually have them
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• 595[03:17:32] <echoSMILE> it is related with services the error that appear
• 596[03:17:52] <echoSMILE> but the login prompt clean the screen :-/
• 597[03:18:04] <echoSMILE> in that file doesn't appear
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• 603[03:24:26] <echoSMILE> and, how to detect which network card I have and how to install the driver for it?
• 604[03:24:42] <abrotman> lspci -nn
• 605[03:24:46] <abrotman> do you see it listed?
• 606[03:26:15] <echoSMILE> many entries
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• 608[03:26:25] <abrotman> do any look like a netowrk card?
• 609[03:26:39] <abrotman> 00:1f.6 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (2) I219-LM [8086:15b7] (rev 31)
• 610[03:26:42] <abrotman> that's mine
• 611[03:26:59] <echoSMILE> communication controller?
• 612[03:27:10] <abrotman> you don't have any that say "net" in them?
• 613[03:27:14] <SerajewelKS> if in doubt, paste the entire output using:
• 614[03:27:15] <SerajewelKS> !paste
• 615[03:27:15] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 616[03:27:17] <echoSMILE> no
• 617[03:27:25] <abrotman> echoSMILE: does the machine have network at all?
• 618[03:27:33] <SerajewelKS> is it a USB network controller?
• 619[03:27:42] <echoSMILE> two nics on motherboard
• 620[03:27:47] <abrotman> echoSMILE: does the machine have network at all?
• 621[03:28:12] <echoSMILE> what do you mean ?
• 622[03:28:17] <abrotman> can it reach the internet?
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• 624[03:28:21] <echoSMILE> nop
• 625[03:28:30] <abrotman> echoSMILE: lspci -nn | grep -i net
• 626[03:28:32] <abrotman> any lines appear?
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• 628[03:28:49] <echoSMILE> none
• 629[03:28:57] <abrotman> any unknown devices?
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• 631[03:29:07] <echoSMILE> no
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• 633[03:29:24] <abrotman> can you take a picture and post it somewhere?
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• 635[03:30:19] <echoSMILE> i'm checking the bios
• 636[03:30:21] <abrotman> dpkg: tell echoSMILE about paste
• 637[03:30:21] <echoSMILE> one sec
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• 639[03:31:17] <echoSMILE> bios disabled :)
• 640[03:31:22] <echoSMILE> tks
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• 642[03:31:34] <abrotman> well, that seems like a bad idea?
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• 646[03:35:35] <echoSMILE> i mean, the nics were disabled on bios
• 647[03:35:43] <echoSMILE> dont know why.
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• 650[03:37:13] <abrotman> all good now?
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• 659[03:45:16] <echoSMILE> yes yes. tks
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• 661[03:45:44] <echoSMILE> abrotman my question before was about systemd messages, not the boot itself
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• 663[03:46:18] <abrotman> echoSMILE: what question?
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• 665[03:46:39] <echoSMILE> how to get 'boot' messages
• 666[03:47:07] <abrotman> /var/log/messages is a good place to start, dvs said that
• 667[03:48:12] <echoSMILE> but is systemd messages I want to see, not the dmesg
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• 670[03:48:52] <dvs> I did? I mean, I did!
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• 675[03:52:51] <SerajewelKS> echoSMILE: then see journalctl
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• 788[05:10:11] <crestfallen> hi I have issues getting my debian 9 to synch with a bluetooth device. please read : replaced-url
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• 791[05:11:29] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: It's just: "trust A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0"
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• 793[05:12:04] <crestfallen> friendofafriend, thanks trying that
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• 796[05:12:29] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Always welcome, good luck.
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• 806[05:14:43] <crestfallen> friendofafriend, it says trust succeded. so with power on, agent on and trust succeeded, should I have a synch ?
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• 813[05:17:28] <crestfallen> the gui says disconnected friendofafriend still
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• 816[05:18:09] <crestfallen> Anker SoundCore disconnected
• 817[05:19:51] <crestfallen> the connection slider button will not allow me to turn on, even though just below that it reads ' Paired Yes '
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• 820[05:21:52] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Sure, you'll want to handle that from bluetoothctl.
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• 824[05:23:42] <crestfallen> friendofafriend, please advise how. here is output once I tried the gui : replaced-url
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• 827[05:25:52] <friendofafriend> So, you'd pair with just the MAC address also.
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• 830[05:26:10] <friendofafriend> For example, "pair A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0" and "trust A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0".
• 831[05:27:00] <crestfallen> Attempting to pair with A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0 Failed to pair: org.bluez.Error.AlreadyExists friendofafriend
• 832[05:27:29] <crestfallen> ??
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• 834[05:28:09] <crestfallen> just maddening
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• 836[05:28:38] <crestfallen> please suggest
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• 839[05:30:37] <friendofafriend> You are already paired to the device.
• 840[05:30:45] <crestfallen> same error with connect A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0
• 841[05:31:18] <crestfallen> slightly different error
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• 843[05:31:23] <friendofafriend> For example, you should type "devices".
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• 845[05:31:49] <friendofafriend> You'll see your "Device A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0 Anker Soundwhatever".
• 846[05:31:54] <crestfallen> got that
• 847[05:32:15] <crestfallen> it produced that output
• 848[05:32:27] <crestfallen> what next
• 849[05:32:40] <friendofafriend> Are you using, say, pulseaudio?
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• 851[05:33:06] <crestfallen> please help me determine that
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• 855[05:33:45] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: "ps xau | grep -i pulseaudio"
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• 858[05:34:55] <crestfallen> friendofafriend, replaced-url
• 859[05:35:26] <friendofafriend> Hooray, you have pulseaudio.
• 860[05:35:35] <crestfallen> what next friendo
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• 863[05:35:57] <crestfallen> I've spent hours on this
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• 865[05:36:41] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: You are probably missing the "pulseaudio-module-bluetooth" package. You would install that with "sudo apt-get install pulseaudio-module-bluetooth".
• 866[05:37:02] <crestfallen> excellent thanks. working...
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• 868[05:37:31] <crestfallen> installed
• 869[05:37:36] <crestfallen> as of now
• 870[05:37:51] <friendofafriend> Neat-o, and then you'd kill pulseaudio with a "sudo killall pulseaudio".
• 871[05:38:16] <crestfallen> done
• 872[05:38:44] <friendofafriend> OK, and now pulseaudio should have been automatically restarted by the system. You can check to see that it's running with "ps xau | grep pulseaudio"
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• 875[05:39:43] <crestfallen> which line indicates that?
• 876[05:39:50] <crestfallen> there are 3 lines
• 877[05:40:11] <friendofafriend> OK, then pulseaudio is running again.
• 878[05:40:17] <crestfallen> cool
• 879[05:40:35] <friendofafriend> There are a couple ways to set the Bluetooth speakers as output.
• 880[05:40:40] <crestfallen> ok
• 881[05:41:02] <friendofafriend> You can right-click on the speaker icon, and select "Sound Preferences".
• 882[05:41:14] <friendofafriend> Under the Output tab, you should see your Bluetooth speakers.
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• 885[05:41:56] <crestfallen> I don't see an icon
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• 887[05:41:59] <friendofafriend> You could also install the program pavucontrol, with "sudo apt-get install pavucontrol". It has many more feature than that Sound Preferences window.
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• 892[05:43:10] <crestfallen> I still cannot use the slider button to turn in on , on the gui
• 893[05:43:29] <crestfallen> it looks like its going to work, and slides back to off
• 894[05:43:40] <crestfallen> where is the icon friendofafriend
• 895[05:43:42] <crestfallen> ?
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• 909[05:47:30] <crestfallen> pavucontrol is so complicated. why is it so brutal to have bluetooth on this system?
• 910[05:47:37] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: OK, so it appears as though you're running a piece of software called "blueberry". It often does things a little wrong.
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• 912[05:47:51] <friendofafriend> We've already paired the device with bluetoothctl.
• 913[05:47:57] <crestfallen> ok
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• 916[05:48:34] <friendofafriend> pavucontrol lets you do lots of cool stuff. In you "Output Devices" tab, do you see a Bluetooth device there?
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• 918[05:48:49] <crestfallen> no
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• 921[05:50:04] <crestfallen> it only lists 2 ports
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• 926[05:51:51] <crestfallen> under Configuration, both Profile say "unplugged"
• 927[05:52:01] <crestfallen> Profiles*
• 928[05:52:12] <OS-34800> hi
• 929[05:52:23] <friendofafriend> Howdy, OS-34800.
• 930[05:53:27] <crestfallen> how would I add the bluetooth to pavucontrol output devices? friendofafriend
• 931[05:54:01] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: So, we've added modules to the system for bluetooth sound by pulseaudio.
• 932[05:54:20] <crestfallen> confused
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• 939[05:56:04] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Do you have the package "bluez-firmware" installed? You can found out pretty quickly with a "sudo apt-get install bluez-firmware".
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• 942[05:57:43] <dracc_> I'm having trouble upgrading to linux-image-4.19.0-1-amd64 with AMDGPU (FOSS variant) and a Radeon R9 290X. Works fine in 4.18.0-2-amd64 . Any ideas what might have changed?
• 943[05:58:15] <friendofafriend> dracc_: How are you upgrading?
• 944[05:58:38] <dracc_> `aptitude safe-upgrade` - maybe I should've asked in #debian-testing . Sorry!
• 945[05:58:44] <crestfallen> yes friendofafriend its installed
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• 947[05:59:17] <crestfallen> should I remove it?
• 948[05:59:26] <dracc_> Ooops yet again, #debian-next .
• 949[05:59:27] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Cool, so let's go ahead and restart bluetooth itself, with "sudo service bluetooth restart".
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• 951[05:59:52] <crestfallen> ok done
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• 953[06:00:15] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Alright, and let's also "sudo killall pulseaudio" once more.
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• 955[06:00:33] <crestfallen> ok done
• 956[06:00:53] <friendofafriend> And then, let's run "sudo bluetoothctl".
• 957[06:01:15] <crestfallen> ok done
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• 959[06:01:34] <friendofafriend> And when you run "devices", do you see the "Anker SoundCore" there?
• 960[06:01:49] <crestfallen> yes its there
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• 964[06:02:37] <crestfallen> in the gui its still disconnected sadly
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• 968[06:03:50] <crestfallen> btw I pulled out a headset from the tower thinking it was interfering
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• 979[06:07:31] <friendofafriend> OK, so in bluetoothctl, let's connect manually.
• 980[06:07:47] <friendofafriend> You'd do that with "connect A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0".
• 981[06:08:24] <crestfallen> Failed
• 982[06:08:37] <crestfallen> one moment
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• 984[06:09:26] <crestfallen> it said Connected: yes then error message and Connected: no
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• 986[06:10:03] <friendofafriend> So, I guess you're talking about the Bluetooth GUI you have there.
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• 988[06:10:41] <crestfallen> actually no that's an error message in the [bluetooth]# prompt
• 989[06:10:56] <friendofafriend> OK, neat. You get just "Failed"?
• 990[06:11:24] <crestfallen> Attempting to connect to A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0
• 991[06:11:24] <crestfallen> [CHG] Device A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0 Connected: yes Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed
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• 995[06:14:16] <friendofafriend> OK, neat. You may have to again "trust A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0", and then "connect A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0".
• 996[06:14:26] <crestfallen> one sec
• 997[06:15:10] <crestfallen> trust succeeded, connect failed
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• 999[06:15:38] <crestfallen> same failure message
• 1000[06:15:43] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Is it possible for you to restart the Debian system?
• 1001[06:16:05] <crestfallen> sure but I'll lose you for a few minutes
• 1002[06:16:15] <friendofafriend> We've added some modules, and I'm not sure if they've been properly loaded by restarting services.
• 1003[06:16:38] <crestfallen> let me reboot . see ya in 5 minutes?
• 1004[06:16:46] <friendofafriend> Sure, I'll be here.
• 1005[06:16:51] <crestfallen> pax
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• 1025[06:26:33] <crestfallen> friendofafriend, back in [bluetooth]# prompt
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• 1028[06:27:56] <crestfallen> did trust and connect again. connect failed
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• 1030[06:31:06] <crestfallen> ping
• 1031[06:31:10] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Are you able to pair with the device?
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• 1033[06:31:41] <crestfallen> no
• 1034[06:32:15] <crestfallen> Attempting to pair with A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0 Failed to pair: org.bluez.Error.AlreadyExists
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• 1037[06:33:55] <friendofafriend> OK, so this could be an issue with pulseaudio. Please run the command "sudo pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover".
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• 1039[06:34:36] <crestfallen> will do . just got [DEL] message in bluetoothctl in red
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• 1045[06:35:52] <crestfallen> that command returned an error : Failure: Module initialization failed
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• 1056[06:42:33] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: That's a little odd, so just make sure not even a letter is out of place in that "sudo pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover".
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• 1061[06:44:15] <crestfallen> no its correct. I did copy/paste I'm reading this right now: replaced-url
• 1062[06:44:51] <crestfallen> no that article must not apply
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• 1070[06:50:00] <crestfallen> how ya doin' friendofafriend
• 1071[06:50:15] <crestfallen> any luck . I have no clue
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• 1074[06:51:33] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: "pactl list | grep -i bluetooth-discover"
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• 1076[06:52:07] <friendofafriend> This will show you if module-bluetooth-discover is loaded, you'll get "Name: module-bluetooth-discover" as the result.
• 1077[06:52:20] <crestfallen> correct got that
• 1078[06:53:17] <crestfallen> so that seems contradictory
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• 1084[06:56:16] <friendofafriend> So, you do have this other program trying to manage your Bluetooth devices.
• 1085[06:56:32] <friendofafriend> It's called "blueberry"
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• 1087[06:56:48] <crestfallen> doesnt sound good :)
• 1088[06:57:15] <crestfallen> any way to simplify my setup?
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• 1090[06:57:30] <friendofafriend> You may also be running blueman-manager, or something of the like.
• 1091[06:57:43] <friendofafriend> It can sometimes decide to do silly things without you asking.
• 1092[06:57:56] <crestfallen> no clue sorry
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• 1094[06:58:22] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Right, if you see a neat little Bluetooth icon in your taskbar, that's one of them.
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• 1096[06:58:45] <friendofafriend> Let's see if we can maybe figure out which, by running the command "ps xau | grep -i blue".
• 1097[06:58:49] <crestfallen> strangely no, the taskbar has never shown an icon
• 1098[06:59:04] <friendofafriend> There's probably still a manager running.
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• 1100[06:59:30] <friendofafriend> The output of that command might give us some useful information, so posting it to a paste site would be great.
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• 1107[07:00:04] <crestfallen> replaced-url
• 1108[07:00:34] <crestfallen> friendofafriend, ^
• 1109[07:01:14] <friendofafriend> Hey, so there's some stuff going on! Looks like you've got "blueman-applet".
• 1110[07:01:45] <crestfallen> in a python3 directory? :)
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• 1115[07:03:17] <friendofafriend> Indeed, it is a python script.
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• 1117[07:04:45] <friendofafriend> So, I wonder if blueman-applet will restart as soon as it's killed. Let's try a "killall blueman-applet"
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• 1120[07:05:06] <friendofafriend> And then following that with a "ps xau | grep -i blueman"
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• 1123[07:06:18] <crestfallen> john 2583 0.0 0.0 12784 980 pts/1 S+ 22:05 0:00 grep -i blueman
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• 1126[07:08:03] <friendofafriend> OK, neat. So now let's jump back to "sudo bluetoothctl" and see if that connect command now works.
• 1127[07:08:11] <crestfallen> ok
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• 1131[07:09:19] <crestfallen> friendofafriend, should I do trust command first?
• 1132[07:09:34] <friendofafriend> Sure, won't hurt.
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• 1135[07:10:29] <crestfallen> same scenario: it first said Connected: yes then error and Connected: no
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• 1139[07:13:21] <crestfallen> you know I'm a little worried that that python3 directory is not where the software should be friendofafriend
• 1140[07:14:03] <crestfallen> it looks like a directory I created. there's no telling what messes I've made
• 1141[07:14:07] <friendofafriend> It's just that applet that's written in python.
• 1142[07:14:46] <crestfallen> ok
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• 1144[07:16:01] <friendofafriend> OK, so a thing to try would be removing and repairing the device.
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• 1146[07:16:39] <crestfallen> repairing? it's a speaker, not sure I understand
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• 1150[07:17:04] <crestfallen> it has worked on a macintosh machine
• 1151[07:17:09] <friendofafriend> So, in "sudo bluetoothctl", you would "remove A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0", then "pair A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0", and "connect A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0".
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• 1153[07:17:26] <friendofafriend> That is to say, re-pair, like pairing over.
• 1154[07:17:35] <crestfallen> ok working. oh! sorry got it
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• 1160[07:20:32] <crestfallen> trying to pair after removing, but I get Device not available !
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• 1168[07:22:44] <crestfallen> that is new
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• 1175[07:24:14] <friendofafriend> OK, you may have to "trust A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0" before you pair.
• 1176[07:24:32] <crestfallen> cannot, tried that
• 1177[07:24:47] <crestfallen> very sorry what a nightmare
• 1178[07:25:35] <crestfallen> after restarting bluetoothctl, the DEV no longer was listed
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• 1182[07:27:42] <friendofafriend> OK, that's odd. You may have to do like a "default-agent", then "scan on" and see if it's found once more.
• 1183[07:28:36] <crestfallen> oh now it sees the device friendofafriend
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• 1185[07:28:49] <friendofafriend> OK, hey that's great.
• 1186[07:29:09] <friendofafriend> So then maybe try a "trust A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0"
• 1187[07:29:09] <crestfallen> so let me see if I can do trust and connect?
• 1188[07:29:18] <friendofafriend> Right, good luck!
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• 1190[07:29:51] <crestfallen> oh shit it worked!
• 1191[07:30:07] <crestfallen> one sec friendofafriend
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• 1193[07:31:20] <friendofafriend> Hey, that's great news! Check and see if you've got a Bluetooth device in your "Output Devices"
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• 1195[07:32:23] <crestfallen> I have a bluetooth icon in my activity bar, but can't get sound from a youtube video yet
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• 1199[07:33:44] <friendofafriend> OK, so you'll want to check pavucontrol.
• 1200[07:33:56] <crestfallen> ok going there
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• 1202[07:34:15] <friendofafriend> And in pavucontrol, under the "Output Devices" tab, you should see some Bluetooth device. A new output device.
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• 1206[07:36:14] <crestfallen> I have Port: Headphones (unplugged)
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• 1209[07:36:30] <friendofafriend> Nah, that's for your normal audio card.
• 1210[07:37:10] <friendofafriend> You may have to enlarge the window or scroll down.
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• 1212[07:37:53] <friendofafriend> On my system, the window sometimes comes up just large enough to show the first device.
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• 1216[07:38:50] <crestfallen> at the very top, it says Volume Control, while at the Output Devices tab
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• 1220[07:40:25] <crestfallen> I can see it registering the speaker on the youtube video, under the Line Out Port
• 1221[07:40:30] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: OK, so if it's not there, let's run "sudo bluetoothctl" once more and then "info A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0".
• 1222[07:40:52] <crestfallen> ok
• 1223[07:41:01] <friendofafriend> That will give you some information about the state of that bluetooth device, and it's enough lines you'll want to put it in a paste site.
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• 1225[07:43:28] <crestfallen> really appreciate it: replaced-url
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• 1227[07:44:21] <crestfallen> weird it looks like there are a bunch of new devices including the speaker
• 1228[07:44:32] <crestfallen> vivosport?
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• 1234[07:49:49] <friendofafriend> OK, says it's not connected. Does "connect A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0" work now?
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• 1241[07:53:05] <crestfallen> now the prompt says [Anker SoundCore] .. now I lost that and the bluetooth icon in status bar! friendofafriend
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• 1250[07:56:25] <crestfallen> replaced-url
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• 1256[07:58:25] <crestfallen> the blue light on the device flashes and once the connection succeeds it goes solid blue
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• 1258[08:00:08] <crestfallen> very strange behavior in the readout now with many devices please view this : replaced-url
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• 1261[08:01:35] <flyingbutter> when I see which card is being used for graphics in my optimus system, it shows that the integrated graphics in intel is being used and not my nvidia gpu
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• 1263[08:01:42] <flyingbutter> I am using bumblebee, is this normal?
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• 1272[08:05:29] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Hey there, that looks great! Now when you do an "info", you should see the Anker device connected.
• 1273[08:05:48] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: It would be a good time to check if that output device is now showing.
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• 1277[08:09:11] <crestfallen> its showing on pavucontrol friendofafriend but the monitor is not working on the anker SoundCore Port, only on the Line Out Port
• 1278[08:09:51] <friendofafriend> Hey, that's excellent!
• 1279[08:09:58] <crestfallen> so I can see the speaking of a youtube video reflected in the second Port : Line Out (unplugged)
• 1280[08:10:40] <crestfallen> but nothing from the speaker
• 1281[08:10:40] <friendofafriend> So, if you go to the "Playback" tab in pavucontrol, you'll see levels bouncing.
• 1282[08:11:09] <friendofafriend> I'm watching a YouTube video right now. It appears with a Firefox icon and "AudioIPC Server".
• 1283[08:11:33] <crestfallen> I got it ! It works ! bloody hell you're a GENIUS. thanks kindly !
• 1284[08:11:55] <friendofafriend> Hooray! You're very welcome, crestfallen.
• 1285[08:12:09] <crestfallen> blessings !!
• 1286[08:12:20] <friendofafriend> And the same to you! :)
• 1287[08:12:31] <crestfallen> so one thing..
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• 1289[08:12:47] <crestfallen> next time I won't need to anything. it will stay connected?
• 1290[08:13:31] <friendofafriend> So, Bluetooth can be strange to get working.
• 1291[08:14:09] <friendofafriend> And it's tough to say what makes it work and not.
• 1292[08:14:43] <friendofafriend> The big part was getting that pulseaudio module installed, because even making the device connect wouldn't have given you audio. That part is done, and you don't have to do it again.
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• 1294[08:15:24] <friendofafriend> But it's possible the device will disconnect and you'll have to turn the agent on, and scan, trust, and pair, and connect all over again.
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• 1297[08:15:51] <friendofafriend> And if it doesn't work, you may have to remove and do pair over again.
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• 1299[08:16:48] <crestfallen> ok I'm putting all that into my notes. the device signature A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0 doesn't change, correct?
• 1300[08:17:07] <friendofafriend> Also, if you're interested in setting the Bluetooth speakers as default in pavucontrol, there's a checkbox that will make future playback default to the Bluetooth speakers.
• 1301[08:17:29] <friendofafriend> (It's to the right of the lock icon.)
• 1302[08:17:53] <friendofafriend> Yes, the MAC address of the speaker will not change.
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• 1304[08:18:24] <crestfallen> excellent thanks so much
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• 1307[08:19:12] <friendofafriend> You're very welcome, and I'm glad it's working for you now. Have a great day.
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• 1309[08:19:25] <crestfallen> you as well peace
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• 1342[08:44:00] <Rico> hello
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• 1347[08:48:38] <Rico> I'm facing something weird with a systemd startup script : replaced-url
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• 1353[08:49:10] <Rico> I'm using lxdui, which is a frontend for lxd. The part which is not working correctly it the display of a terminal in the CT
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• 1359[08:51:49] <apollo13> Rico: you'll have to provide more details, what exactly is not working
• 1360[08:52:04] <apollo13> an according to systemd it seems running…
• 1361[08:52:41] <Rico> apollo13: yep it's running, but there's some parts of the python app which does not work correctly
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• 1363[08:52:56] <Rico> trying to find out what...
• 1364[08:53:12] <apollo13> Rico: well which parts, what are the errors in the browser error console, app log files etc…
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• 1447[10:09:28] <x0n> good morning #debian
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• 1609[12:01:58] <xerophile> hey. Anyone would know how to create an entry from dconf ? I only find a way to edit existing ones.
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• 1611[12:03:09] <petn-randall> xerophile: Can you eloborate what you're trying to do?
• 1612[12:03:34] <apollo13> xerophile: afaik dconf uses schemas, so if the value isn't known yet to dconf there is no point in trying to write it
• 1613[12:03:46] <apollo13> otherwise "dconf write" can help you
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• 1616[12:03:58] <xerophile> when a user get created I want to change the default behaviour of some apps.
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• 1618[12:04:38] <xerophile> Some, like network manager, don't have preexisting values, they get created when you configure the values from networkmanager
• 1619[12:04:46] <apollo13> replaced-url
• 1620[12:05:12] <xerophile> dconf writ would work just fine if the values prexister and I had to change them - but they don't
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• 1622[12:05:28] <xerophile> *preexisted *write
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• 1626[12:06:58] <xerophile> apollo13, okay will try that
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• 1636[12:10:51] <xerophile> apollo13, interesting, it blanked dconf :o
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• 1640[12:11:21] <apollo13> note, that is the doc for gnome 3.12
• 1641[12:11:29] <apollo13> you might have to read the one matching your version
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• 1644[12:13:13] <xerophile> Source: d-conf (0.26.0-2)
• 1645[12:13:17] <xerophile> 3.12 ? oO
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• 1654[12:17:33] <uio> Hi, is it possible to password protect a usb that I could use on my Linux system and that I could use on Windows computers for which I do not have admin passes?
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• 1658[12:20:41] <uio> It looks like veracypt only works if on has the admin passes.
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• 1661[12:21:39] <uio> And Bitlocker is only for Windows (and is closed source....)
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• 1663[12:24:22] <xerophile> guess you could use GPG ?
• 1664[12:25:00] <uio> xerophile: But would this work for quick acess to the files?
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• 1666[12:25:21] <xerophile> you want security or quick access ? é_è
• 1667[12:25:59] <uio> xerophile: More quick access, but not just an open usb
• 1668[12:26:23] <uio> xerophile: I just want some password system. Would GPG do this?
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• 1670[12:26:39] <xerophile> I don't think so.
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• 1674[12:28:39] <uio> Such a program must exist though...
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• 1683[12:31:40] <xerophile> uio the easy way would be a workaround
• 1684[12:31:51] <xerophile> like creating a zip archive with password ??
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• 1775[13:38:02] <rant> wait.. LUKS doesn't require "admin passes" when mounted via gvfsd?!
• 1776[13:38:43] * rant doesn't have "admin passes" but would still require a seperate step other than his passphrase for the volume if it did require it..
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• 1782[13:41:05] <xand> what are "admin passes"?
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• 1786[13:43:13] <rant> yeah, I thought the same thing.. obviously a recent windows refugee
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• 1788[13:44:19] <rant> I'll talk to them about it when I see them again, but nobody else in here had the mind to mention that LUKS+gvfsd would mount an encrypted USB drive without need for priv escalation
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• 1792[13:45:38] <rant> when I plug in my passport drive it just pops up a dialog asking for the LUKS key passphrase, it never asks me to swipe my finger
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• 1796[13:47:46] <rant> actually, now that I just did it I recall the odd behavior that it doesn't automount... as it would for an unencrypted device. I have to actually click on it.. but it never asks for me to identify with the fingerprint to open the crypt or mount
• 1797[13:48:14] <xand> LUKS doesn't mount things, it just unlocks them
• 1798[13:48:22] <xand> the mounting part is separate
• 1799[13:48:26] <rant> I'm well aware of how luks works :P
• 1800[13:48:50] <rant> though I am kinda confused how gvfsd does it cause cryptsetup only works as root afaik
• 1801[13:48:55] <xand> given how you don't need to be root to mount normal usb media, why would LUKS-encrypted ones be different?
• 1802[13:49:10] <xand> mount only works as root by default too :P
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• 1804[13:49:47] <xand> I don't know how the gnome stuff works. maybe a service that's running as root, or setuid
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• 1807[13:51:36] <blackflow> rant: polkit
• 1808[13:51:54] <rant> when I try closing the crypt using cryptsetup it gives me "Cannot initialize device-mapper, running as non-root user."
• 1809[13:52:28] <rant> blackflow: does it do this without requiring root auth? Cause I have my polkit setup in a way it may be allowing me to do something that is not std behavior
• 1810[13:52:47] <blackflow> afaik that's a default setup in gnome yes
• 1811[13:52:52] <rant> I /may have/ that is
• 1812[13:53:23] <rant> cause actually I dont think on this system I have any special sudo, polkit, or other settings.. I just have no root password and use fprintd
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• 1815[13:54:06] <blackflow> if you have gvfs, then you must have gnome, then you must have polkit, no?
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• 1819[13:54:25] <rant> Way I figure it is, since there is a ridiculously long password required to mount the rootfs, you can't even get to the point of trying to fool the fingerprint scanner, so..
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• 1821[13:55:00] <rant> blackflow: nope, I use xfce.. polkit and gvfsd are not exclusive to gnome, they're used in the vast majority of the DE
• 1822[13:55:30] <rant> MATE, XFCE, probably LXDE and Cinnamon too.. I could check but I would assume so
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• 1824[13:55:48] <rant> only one other than KDE I would guess that don't would be LXQt
• 1825[13:56:17] <blackflow> rant: yeah but they come in via some gnome dependencies pulled into xfce. anyway, do you have /usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d/org.gtk.vfs.file-operations.rules ?
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• 1828[13:56:34] <uio> How can I pasword protext a usb that I could open on my Linux machine and on a public Windows machine?
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• 1830[13:57:02] <rant> blackflow: doesn't appear so
• 1831[13:57:08] <rant> uio: we were just talking about you :P
• 1832[13:57:14] <rant> uio: use LUKS
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• 1834[13:57:21] <uio> rant: lol
• 1835[13:57:25] <blackflow> luks on windows?
• 1836[13:57:26] <rant> oh.. you didnt mention windows earlier
• 1837[13:57:31] <rant> I see you said that now
• 1838[13:57:37] <uio> rant: Oops.
• 1839[13:57:56] <uio> It's because at work they have Windows, and sometimes I have to print stuff.
• 1840[13:57:59] <rant> uio: are you very concerned about security, or you just want something the average idiot can't get into?
• 1841[13:58:07] <uio> that latter
• 1842[13:58:13] <blackflow> the only shared crypto techis TrueCrypt if I'm not mistaken
• 1843[13:58:17] <blackflow> *tech is
• 1844[13:58:20] <fboender> off-topic for here probably, but does anybody know how you can check whether letsencrypt certs were issues with TLS-SNI-01?
• 1845[13:58:27] <fboender> s/issues/issued/
• 1846[13:58:35] <rant> uio: use a password protected zip file.. there are utilites on linux to mount those and windows already treats them like normal directories
• 1847[13:58:35] <fboender> like in a config file or something?
• 1848[13:58:39] <uio> blackflow: Now discontinued and replaced with Veracrypt I believe
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• 1850[13:58:51] <uio> rant: Could this be automatic ?
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• 1852[13:59:02] <blackflow> uio: okay then that :)
• 1853[13:59:21] <uio> blackflow: But one needs admin to use it in portable mode....
• 1854[13:59:24] <rant> uio: in windows, last I used it, yes.. you click a zip, does same thing as clicking a folder.. and in Linux.. well its Linux... so yeah.. heh
• 1855[13:59:31] <blackflow> uio: at any rate, "password protecting USB" does not exist. you need some kind of encryption, and best is whole fs encryption, forget ZIPs
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• 1859[13:59:44] <rant> you'd just need to figure out a means of hooking the zip mount program into gvfsd or such
• 1860[13:59:52] <rant> should be rather trivial I would imagine
• 1861[14:00:09] <uio> rant: Sorry, but I don't get what you mean gvfsd???
• 1862[14:00:23] <blackflow> you could also use openssl :) it's manual work and not as convenient, but it works
• 1863[14:00:30] <rant> uio: its a filesystem daemon included in GNOME, XFCE, MATE, etc.. that automounts volumes
• 1864[14:00:37] <rant> ,i archivemount
• 1865[14:00:38] <judd> Package archivemount (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: mounts an archive for access as a file system. Version: 0.8.7-1+b1; Size: 25.7k; Installed: 69k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1866[14:00:39] <uio> rant: BTW I ordered the fan, but will be avoiding thermal paste for fear of breaking it.
• 1867[14:00:46] <blackflow> it's GNOME Virtual File System
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• 1871[14:01:24] <rant> if gvfsd can figure out how to mount other things, I'm sure you can teach it to use archivemount :P
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• 1873[14:02:25] <uio> This could get messy because I use Unison to keep the usb synced to my HDD... syncing an zip file might not be great, no?
• 1874[14:02:57] <rant> once the zipfile is mounted, userland is none the wiser
• 1875[14:03:23] <rant> it has no idea its working with a zipfile, the FUSE driver makes it accessible like any other filesystem
• 1876[14:04:20] <rant> and this, unlike other proprietary solutions is not likely to become deprecated... though its security is probably not as good as most encryption programs, but if thats not your primary concern, this sounds like a good option
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• 1878[14:04:48] <uio> archivemount is a cli tool?
• 1879[14:04:59] <rant> because I am not certain, but I believe with a password protected zip, you can still see the files.. you just can't access them
• 1880[14:05:08] <rant> i.e. you can get a directory listing with filenames IIRC
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• 1882[14:05:34] <rant> uio: it is.. but so is mount, cryptsetup, etc.. and gvfsd handles that stuff
• 1883[14:05:48] <uio> are you running cli now?
• 1884[14:05:57] <uio> I can't live without guis...
• 1885[14:06:02] <rant> I'm in XFCE..
• 1886[14:06:23] <rant> yes this is apparent from the fact you apparently dont realize most of what you do is with cli tools
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• 1888[14:06:31] <rant> the GUI is just a frontend that does stuff for you
• 1889[14:06:48] <rant> the tools that actually do all that stuff are still cli :P
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• 1891[14:07:03] <uio> rant: Oh I'm know nothing about linux! Just enough to break things...
• 1892[14:07:31] <rant> cd burning, archive management, transcoding video..etc.. its all cli.. the gui just forms the command for you from doing clicky-clicky stuff
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• 1895[14:08:01] <uio> rant: Yes, but I will underline 'interface'.
• 1896[14:08:09] <rant> winff for example.. works on windows, linux, etc.. for transcoding videos.. its a GUI.. but all it does is form an ffmpeg command and pass it to the cli
• 1897[14:08:10] <uio> I don' the the cl interface
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• 1899[14:08:24] <uio> pass it to the CL.
• 1900[14:08:32] <uio> Not to the interface...
• 1901[14:08:53] <uio> I need to hide the file names too though....
• 1902[14:08:59] <rant> yes well in this instance your filemanager is the interface to gvfsd which is the interface to whatever the hell mounts something :P
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• 1904[14:09:40] <rant> you presumably already have the filemanager and the VFS daemon, you just need to add the new driver and mounting program (archivemount) to the mix
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• 1906[14:10:07] <rant> just like you could have fileroller (an archive GUI) and it won't handle RAR files until you install the rar command line utility
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• 1909[14:10:32] <uio> CLU then, not CLI :)
• 1910[14:10:40] <uio> difference
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• 1912[14:11:01] <rant> you can call it whatever you like.. you're just confused by using a braindead OS too long..
• 1913[14:11:35] <uio> rant: I've been on some form of linux for about six years....
• 1914[14:11:40] <rant> where your computer is on your desktop, but the desktop is actually a folder inside the C: that is inside the My Computer that is ON the desktop :P
• 1915[14:12:05] <rant> and there is no way to square that circle.. in Linux however you can get down below that confusing nonsense
• 1916[14:12:07] <uio> I've never actually used Windows as my machine.
• 1917[14:12:18] <uio> I've had Macs that I linuxed
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• 1919[14:13:15] <rant> Yeah well MacOSX is like a third cousin.. that dresses real pretty and maybe you fooled around with before you realized you were related (or even after :P) ...
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• 1922[14:13:37] <rant> under all that goofy UI it has, its a lot like linux
• 1923[14:13:54] <n4dir> rather like BSD, but i guess it doesn't matter here.
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• 1925[14:14:09] <uio> Anyway, back to my question, is there a tool that ill password protect the file names too?
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• 1927[14:14:57] <rant> idk, lemme try this out and see.. I'm not 100% sure of this as I dont do lame stuff like password protect archives
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• 1929[14:15:37] <uio> rant: You wouldn't password protect a usb for work??
• 1930[14:16:19] <rant> ok, yes.. a password protected zip file is still directory listable as I thought
• 1931[14:16:46] <rant> no.. first of all you couldnt pay me enough to use windows, and if I wanted something encrypted, I'd use LUKS
• 1932[14:17:00] <uio> rant: lol
• 1933[14:17:07] * rant tries a password protected RAR
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• 1935[14:17:56] <rant> wait..
• 1936[14:18:04] <uio> ........ oh..
• 1937[14:18:10] <uio> ..waiting....
• 1938[14:18:14] <uio> suspense......
• 1939[14:18:19] <uio> Aaaaaaaaand.......
• 1940[14:18:28] <rant> selecting some files in my filemanager (XFCE's FM) and telling it to create an archive.. as I scroll through them some show "encrypt file list"
• 1941[14:18:32] <uio> [drum-rol]
• 1942[14:18:37] <rant> 7z for example supports it
• 1943[14:19:04] <rant> 7z is the only one I currently have installed that supports encrypting the file list
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• 1945[14:20:20] <uio> does 7z work on the Dark Side,
• 1946[14:20:25] <uio> ?
• 1947[14:20:27] <rant> unfortunately that makes mounting a bit more tricky as idk about windows and 7z and doesnt /seem/ like archivemount does either
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• 1949[14:20:35] <uio> ah
• 1950[14:20:38] <rant> it /can/ but not natively like zip
• 1951[14:20:46] <rant> you'd need additional software
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• 1953[14:21:23] <rant> basically any archive format other than zip would not work natively on windows afaik
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• 1959[14:24:25] <rant> uio: you should consider using a cloud based sort of solution.. would be a lot easier
• 1960[14:24:59] <uio> rant: Hmmmm. I don't know, I think the cloud is biggest security threat....
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• 1962[14:25:20] <rant> uio: you /do/ realize you can make your own cloud right?
• 1963[14:25:39] <rant> i.e. keep the crap safely on a LUKS encrypted linux machine at home
• 1964[14:25:45] <rant> access it via ssh or such
• 1965[14:25:47] <uio> rant: Remember who you're talking to! I lost a ThinkPad screw yesterday!
• 1966[14:25:51] <rant> heh
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• 1968[14:26:23] <uio> and it took me four hours to access the underside of the fan, only to discover that the spindle is to be accessed from the top.
• 1969[14:26:48] <rant> uio: well I could probably help you setting up something like this.. using OpenVPN or SSH if you have the tools..
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• 1971[14:27:15] <rant> uio: do you have a broadband connection and linux machine at home, and ability to access the internet and possibly install OpenVPN or ssh tools at work?
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• 1974[14:27:44] <uio> Woooooooooooooooooreplaced-url
• 1975[14:27:53] <rant> install isn't really necessary per-se some things like putty are standalone binaries
• 1976[14:28:27] <rant> yeah well you want to password protect files and access them between windows and linux.. and you're picky about the filenames being readable so..
• 1977[14:28:43] <uio> rant: true.
• 1978[14:28:47] <uio> rant: true.
• 1979[14:28:57] <rant> either buy proprietary software that will taint your linux systems and only work as long as they support it.. or try something open
• 1980[14:29:37] <jelly> or buy open source software
• 1981[14:30:29] <rant> jelly: you know of something? cause only windows and linux solution I ever tried was truecrypt.. and well.. I don't need to splain that one to you, I'm sure.. :P
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• 1985[14:32:07] <rant> really the 7z can do it fairly simply but you need a 7z utility on both ends and it won't be automatic
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• 1987[14:32:32] <rant> really accessing an archive using a zip utility isn't that complicated
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• 1990[14:33:37] <uio> I think the solution is to use zip then.
• 1991[14:33:43] <uio> thanks
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• 2018[14:43:34] <D1rT3M0nE> Hi all - Screenlet widgets are not loading and I don't even know where to begin to troubleshoot. Can someone suggest a log file or error logging that I might look in?
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• 2024[14:46:28] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: you could start by explaining what a screenlet widget is
• 2025[14:46:50] <rant> there are 7 Desktop Environments available in Debian
• 2026[14:47:27] <rant> when asking a question pertaining to one of them, you should probably mention which one you use
• 2027[14:47:48] <D1rT3M0nE> The environment is gnome. Screenlet is a program that stores a bunch of little desktop widgets - clock, CPU monitor, etc etc... apparently it's not as well knowsn as I thought
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• 2029[14:48:13] * rant fires up the (ew) GNOME VM
• 2030[14:48:14] <D1rT3M0nE> Anyway, I'm just wondering if there's a log file I can check to get more info...
• 2031[14:48:24] <D1rT3M0nE> fire 'er up!
• 2032[14:48:38] <D1rT3M0nE> Don't like Gnome? Why not?
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• 2034[14:48:57] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: you been using Gnome/Linux long?
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• 2036[14:49:30] <D1rT3M0nE> nope
• 2037[14:49:33] <D1rT3M0nE> few weeks
• 2038[14:49:59] <D1rT3M0nE> a dude over in ##linux is saying it's not supported for Debian...
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• 2044[14:53:21] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: yes well if you're also new to freenode and ##linux, those "dudes" are kinda lame most of the time
• 2045[14:53:55] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: the old Gnome now called MATE was way more featureful and documented.. the new Gnome 3.x is a revamped UI I loathe that is neither
• 2046[14:54:23] <LtL> D1rT3M0nE: sounds like the conky program you're talking about. there may be something else i'm not aware of.
• 2047[14:55:22] <LtL> conky runs on any DE as far as i know, i use it and gnome as well.
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• 2049[14:55:57] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: yes, it would seem screenlets is not part of the GNOME install (I have a fresh installed gnome vm) but the package is available.. see if its installed on your system by typing into the terminal dpkg -l screenlets
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• 2057[14:57:16] <D1rT3M0nE> I thought I'd installed via terminal...
• 2058[14:57:27] <D1rT3M0nE> I can't parse the dpkg result...:
• 2059[14:57:30] <D1rT3M0nE> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
• 2060[14:57:30] <D1rT3M0nE> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
• 2061[14:57:30] <D1rT3M0nE> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
• 2062[14:57:30] <D1rT3M0nE> ||/ Name Version Architecture Description
• 2063[14:57:30] <D1rT3M0nE> +++-==============-============-============-=================================
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• 2066[14:57:39] <rant> :P
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• 2068[14:58:09] * rant should've just said dpkg -l screenlets | wc -l
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• 2071[14:59:01] <rant> would've been a 0 or 6
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• 2073[15:00:04] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: welcome back. From now on goto paste.debian.net if you need to paste more than a line or two
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• 2075[15:00:07] <LtL> i see screenlets now, never tried it.
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• 2077[15:00:25] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: you have already rejoined..
• 2078[15:00:50] <D1rT3M0nE> 6
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• 2080[15:01:17] <D1rT3M0nE> result of dpkg -l screenlets | wc -l
• 2081[15:01:31] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: it looks like you have it installed.. so that much is sorted out.. lemme fool with it a minute and see how it works.. in the meantime you can elaborate on your use case.. what you're doing SPECIFICALLY and what isn't working
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• 2084[15:02:15] * rant has to install it first :P
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• 2086[15:02:50] <D1rT3M0nE> cool, thanks. There isn't much to explain, which is why I'm looking for log files to examine - I've installed and add widgets from the gui, but from what I understand I should see them launched immediately and when I launch the, I don't get anything - no error message, no success... nada
• 2087[15:03:28] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: ok, so you're launching screenlets and setting up widgets that aren't appearing on the desktop?
• 2088[15:03:46] <D1rT3M0nE> wait 6 = installed? I mean, I definitely installed it myself yesterday. Otherwise I'll need to /join #delusionallinuxfantasy
• 2089[15:03:54] <D1rT3M0nE> rant: yes
• 2090[15:04:19] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: the wc -l was just couting the lines.. if it were not installed you would get no output other than an error and the count would be 0
• 2091[15:04:27] <LtL> D1rT3M0nE: try /home/user/.local/share/xorg*
• 2092[15:04:28] <rant> I was dumbing it down for ya :P
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• 2094[15:05:17] <D1rT3M0nE> Aha - dumb is good. :-)
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• 2096[15:06:13] <rant> yikes
• 2097[15:06:36] <LtL> rant: et me know if screenlets is any good or does it require conky-like witch craft to config it.
• 2098[15:06:38] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: ok, well you seem like a competent computer user, so lets teach ya some basics here in the process of troubleshooting on linux
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• 2100[15:06:43] <LtL> *let
• 2101[15:06:48] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: open a terminal and run the screenlets program from there
• 2102[15:06:49] <R0b0t1> How can I download from an apt repository without having apt?
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• 2104[15:06:56] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: this will let you see output on the terminal from it
• 2105[15:06:58] <D1rT3M0nE> right on!
• 2106[15:07:07] <D1rT3M0nE> up with learning, hold a sec...
• 2107[15:07:16] <trysten> <3 rant
• 2108[15:07:21] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: what I am doing is showing python errors like crazy on the terminal when I launch/add the ACPIBattery for example
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• 2112[15:07:30] <LtL> R0b0t1: use the web, packages.debian.org probably.
• 2113[15:07:38] <R0b0t1> well, this is a 3rd party repo
• 2114[15:07:43] <R0b0t1> I've tried leafing through it to find the .debs
• 2115[15:07:57] <rant> LtL: looks horribly broken at first glance
• 2116[15:08:11] <D1rT3M0nE> well, it's running. It threw an error for a specific module, but I'm not sure that's it.
• 2117[15:08:15] <LtL> rant: i expected that, thanks.
• 2118[15:08:34] <R0b0t1> sadly it is replaced-url
• 2119[15:08:41] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: thats normal.. try do something like Launch/Add the Battery applet.. for me it threw a python traceback
• 2120[15:08:56] <D1rT3M0nE> hold on
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• 2123[15:09:32] <LtL> R0b0t1: dpkg -i package.deb will install a deb package but it's noy recommended.
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• 2126[15:09:47] <D1rT3M0nE> if I launch from the gui I get nothing. You mean I should try to launch from terminal?
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• 2128[15:10:01] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: yes.. thats what I said :P
• 2129[15:10:03] <R0b0t1> replaced-url
• 2130[15:10:05] <leszek> someone an idea how I can use live-build in docker? It fails even with --privileged as you can see here: replaced-url
• 2131[15:10:18] <D1rT3M0nE> kk, hold on...
• 2132[15:10:19] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: launching from the terminal lets you see the stdout and stderr from the program as you do stuff
• 2133[15:10:40] <R0b0t1> LtL: I can install it just fine, I just can't figure out where the .deb is in the directory structure
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• 2135[15:10:50] <R0b0t1> (use deb2tar)
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• 2137[15:11:42] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: I tried to launche/add the Battery thng and it threw a python traceback.. it also mentions that its logging to $HOME/.config/Screenlets/ACPIBatteryScreenlet.log
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• 2140[15:12:32] <LtL> R0b0t1: your local directory? use find
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• 2144[15:13:26] <D1rT3M0nE> sorry rant, just launching specific specific widgets from the terminal will take me some time - I need to go through the folder, not sure which one it is...
• 2145[15:13:38] <D1rT3M0nE> god, I stink of noob...
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• 2147[15:13:41] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: you're misunderstanding me
• 2148[15:13:58] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: open a terminal, type screenlets and press enter.. thats it
• 2149[15:14:03] <D1rT3M0nE> ah
• 2150[15:14:03] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: then use the GUI same as normal
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• 2152[15:14:07] <D1rT3M0nE> ok
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• 2154[15:14:13] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: you will then be able to see the output in the terminal
• 2155[15:14:20] <D1rT3M0nE> AHA
• 2156[15:14:27] <D1rT3M0nE> Insight :-)
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• 2158[15:16:19] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: so far its looking to me like this is buggy as hell.. first of all the canberra-gtk-module /is/ installed on my system despite that error, and its failing to load the widgets cause it says that gtk-close is not present in the theme.. which is also not true
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• 2163[15:17:26] <D1rT3M0nE> So it says the manager's already started... if it was already running does it make sense that additional output won't show in the terminal? Because I see nothing in the terminal when I try to launch fro the gui...
• 2164[15:17:34] <D1rT3M0nE> maybe I need to kill the process and relaunch?
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• 2175[15:19:07] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: no, it said that for me too
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• 2177[15:19:20] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: try launch/add the battery thing.. the first one
• 2178[15:20:09] <rant> there are no bugs filed on the bts against this.. yet near as I can tell it is horribly broken
• 2179[15:20:28] <D1rT3M0nE> nada, nothing at all happens, nothing in terminal
• 2180[15:20:51] <D1rT3M0nE> if you're seeing a python related error than could it be I'm missing the repository that would provide that log?
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• 2184[15:21:43] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: odd.. check the logs in .config/Screenlets/
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• 2186[15:21:52] <D1rT3M0nE> kk, hold...
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• 2189[15:22:28] <rant> the terminal is not a log, its just showing you the stderr and stdout of the program.. and for me launch/add that battery thing is throwing a large python traceback
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• 2192[15:24:47] <D1rT3M0nE> CachingBackend: Loading instances from cache
• 2193[15:24:47] <D1rT3M0nE> Found a running session of ACPIBattery, adding new instance by service.
• 2194[15:24:47] <D1rT3M0nE> Error in screenlets.services.get_service_by_name: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.screenlets.ACPIBattery was not provided by any .service files
• 2195[15:24:47] <D1rT3M0nE> Screenlet has already been added to /tmp/screenlets/screenlets.adam.running
• 2196[15:24:47] <D1rT3M0nE> Loading instances in: /home/adam/.config/Screenlets/ACPIBattery/default/
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• 2200[15:25:54] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: replaced-url
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• 2202[15:26:15] <D1rT3M0nE> nice
• 2203[15:26:37] <D1rT3M0nE> must... read... channel guidelines...
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• 2205[15:27:13] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: on the left you will see a link that says "Make New Paste" under recent posts, click that.. then choose the "Browse" button and when the file dialog comes up, right click in the file list and select "show hidden files" then goto .config and Screenlets and select ACPIBattery.log then click ok and click the send button
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• 2207[15:27:28] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: then copy the url and paste it here.. to show you're learning to do this right :P
• 2208[15:27:44] <D1rT3M0nE> o7
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• 2215[15:30:39] <D1rT3M0nE> replaced-url
• 2216[15:30:41] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: this is what I'm getting on my terminal.. as I try launch/add various applets, all are giving the same errors replaced-url
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• 2220[15:31:12] <D1rT3M0nE> rant... you're awesome. Just want to make sure that's on the record
• 2221[15:31:15] <D1rT3M0nE> :-P
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• 2224[15:31:47] <D1rT3M0nE> So how are you getting all that output and I'm getting nothing?
• 2225[15:31:57] <D1rT3M0nE> I guess it's not important... point being you think it's broken
• 2226[15:32:19] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: idk.. well as far as tracebacks go this one seems rather simple.. in my case it seems to be a problem with the theme
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• 2228[15:32:36] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: as for why you're not getting any of this, idk..
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• 2230[15:33:10] <D1rT3M0nE> ok... who knows. At any rate, I think I'm going to admit defeat on this one and remove it, in the mean time...
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• 2232[15:33:34] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: fair enough.. but thats probably what most people do and why there are no bugs filed against it on the BTS :P
• 2233[15:33:43] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: fwiw this is another way you could've done that..
• 2234[15:34:12] <rant> cat .config/Screenlets/ACPIBatteryScreenlet.log | nc termbin.com 9999
• 2235[15:34:28] <rant> which would've returned a URL on the command line of your terminal for the paste
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• 2238[15:35:39] <D1rT3M0nE> Fantastic - I've copied this stuff into the reference doc I'm creating.
• 2239[15:35:45] <D1rT3M0nE> Big help, rant, thanks.
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• 2241[15:36:00] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: running apps from a terminal is one of the key first steps in troubleshooting, enabling you to see their stderr and stdout.. other useful steps are trying things as a different (or new) user, deleting or renaming their config dir like ~/.gimp-2.8 removing that will make gimp run like the first run..
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• 2243[15:36:45] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: and of course knowing how to paste output is important.. more advanced troubleshooting is another story.. gets a bit more like programming but these things are the basics
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• 2245[15:36:59] <D1rT3M0nE> appreciated, boss.
• 2246[15:37:12] <D1rT3M0nE> Renaming the config to troubleshoot...
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• 2248[15:37:31] <D1rT3M0nE> because the program can't find the config and throws an error?
• 2249[15:37:37] <rant> you can rename so you don't /lose/ your config but the program can't find it
• 2250[15:37:49] <D1rT3M0nE> right
• 2251[15:38:05] <rant> and typically it doesnt cause an error, what you are doing is letting it run fresh without any config.. ruling out that the user's config /is/ the problem
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• 2254[15:38:17] <D1rT3M0nE> right, understood.
• 2255[15:38:39] <rant> GIMP is a good example cause if you run it and close the toolboxes, its confusing to figure out how to get them back.. just deleting ~/.gimp-2.8 makes it reset back to first run
• 2256[15:38:39] <D1rT3M0nE> Appreciate your helpful attitude!
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• 2259[15:39:34] <D1rT3M0nE> ok, gotta run, my daughter is screaming at me to play BoTW :-) - big thanks!
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• 2263[15:40:19] <rant> yep
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• 2265[15:41:07] <rant> someone should probably file a bug against that screenlets thing :P
• 2266[15:41:21] * rant doesn't care enough to
• 2267[15:42:24] <rant> though if I play with it outside GNOME3 I might.. trying to troubleshoot while in GNOME is like a monkey trying to screw a greased football
• 2268[15:42:35] <rant> that damn UI is so annoying and frustrating to use
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• 2279[15:46:06] <rant> its like a kiosk or something.. makes stupid noises, can't seem to keep track of two things at once.. cant even just open a menu and launch an app.. gotta search for it and wait while it looks for it.. so lame
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• 2281[15:47:12] <rant> the way they say "I'd like to buy them a beer" when someone makes something nice.. I'd like to buy the GNOME3 devs a lit stick of dynamite and just blow that crapfest to pieces :P
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• 2308[15:58:00] <DammitJim> I'm trying to continue a debian installation over ssh
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• 2312[15:58:27] <DammitJim> but when I ssh installer@<ip>, the console doesn't show me the window where I select to continue the installation
• 2313[15:58:31] <DammitJim> what could I Be doing wrong?
• 2314[15:58:44] <rant> DammitJim: umm.. thats not how ssh works..
• 2315[15:59:00] <rant> DammitJim: you'd have to have ran the install inside something like screen or tmux
• 2316[15:59:08] <DammitJim> I already have the machine where I'm installing debian set for remote install
• 2317[15:59:15] <rant> oh.. I never tried that feature
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• 2319[15:59:25] * rant tests
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• 2321[15:59:43] <rant> DammitJim: which installer are you using? you have a link by chance?
• 2322[15:59:51] <rant> I will reproduce it in a VM
• 2323[16:00:05] <DammitJim> Jan 18 15:00:00 sshd[9978]: lastlog_openseek: Couldn't stat /var/log/lastlog: No such file or directory
• 2324[16:00:05] <DammitJim> Jan 18 15:00:00 debconf: Setting debconf/language to en
• 2325[16:00:08] <DammitJim> I get lines like that
• 2326[16:00:15] <DammitJim> but not the console to pick to continue the installation
• 2327[16:00:20] <DammitJim> rant, I just start the expert install
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• 2331[16:00:36] <DammitJim> and at some point there is an option to use a remote console to continue the installation
• 2332[16:00:37] <rant> DammitJim: yes but which installer? just the main link on the frontpage?
• 2333[16:00:59] <DammitJim> netinst.iso
• 2334[16:01:02] <DammitJim> what do you mean which installer?
• 2335[16:01:10] <rant> there are thousands of debian installers
• 2336[16:01:19] <rant> ones for bo, rex, buzz... et al..
• 2337[16:01:28] <DammitJim> stable
• 2338[16:01:28] <rant> official, unofficial, firmware... etc
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• 2343[16:02:13] <rant> DammitJim: debian 9.6.0 amd64 netinstall?
• 2344[16:02:25] <DammitJim> si
• 2345[16:02:37] * rant downloads and starts it in VM
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• 2347[16:02:56] <DammitJim> I wonder if there is a problem with this laptop...
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• 2349[16:03:58] <rant> sounds like you're getting connected.. probably just not using it right.. the installer has IIRC 4 VTs active and I am vaguly aware of the intricacies of using say a dumb terminal or such
• 2350[16:04:07] <rant> sounds to me like you're on the wrong VT
• 2351[16:04:17] <DammitJim> could be
• 2352[16:04:22] <rant> I'm cloning my stretch base VM and booting the iso now..
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• 2354[16:05:28] <rant> DammitJim: so you booted this and went to expert install?
• 2355[16:06:38] <DammitJim> yes
• 2356[16:07:06] <rant> DammitJim: for me to reproduce your situation I need to get to where you are.. I went through the language, detect cd.. and I'm at the load components.. which ones did you load?
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• 2358[16:07:53] <rant> network-console obviously
• 2359[16:08:02] <rant> did you load any of the others?
• 2360[16:08:26] <DammitJim> no
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• 2364[16:08:44] * rant selects network-console and moves on
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• 2366[16:09:50] <rant> DammitJim: ok so you went as far as continue install remotely, chose a passwd, and then went to the other machine then?
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• 2371[16:11:02] <rant> hmm.. so far mine isnt even picking up the phone :P
• 2372[16:11:03] <DammitJim> yup
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• 2374[16:11:11] <rant> its just hanging
• 2375[16:11:12] <DammitJim> I went as far as: ssh install@<ip>
• 2376[16:11:27] <DammitJim> when I ssh, the system doesn't give me the expected options to continue the installation
• 2377[16:11:35] <rant> yeah it said to do ssh install@10.0.2.15 and its just hanging for me
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• 2379[16:11:50] <DammitJim> I've done this in the past many times... so I'm not sure if it's the new machine I'm trying to configure or if it's debian 9.6
• 2380[16:12:07] <rant> which is odd cause the vm is running locally :P
• 2381[16:12:10] <rant> on the same machine
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• 2387[16:13:56] <DammitJim> you probably can't do that since a VM sometimes needs a separate bridged interface to connect to it
• 2388[16:14:07] <rant> ah, I had to setup a port forward
• 2389[16:14:21] <rant> I forwarded the VM IP port 22 to localhost port 22, its working now
• 2390[16:14:32] <rant> it was in NAT mode :P
• 2391[16:14:48] <DammitJim> brb
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• 2393[16:16:29] <rant> yeah I'm gonna reboot my vm.. keeps sayin password is wrong.. and I am pretty sure I set it to foobar :P
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• 2398[16:17:32] <rant> I always just installed base and then used screen to continue.. but w/e.. this should work
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• 2400[16:18:52] <rant> well wth.. I KNOW I typed foobar this time.. I made sure..
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• 2416[16:28:12] <DammitJim> ok
• 2417[16:28:14] <DammitJim> sorry about that
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• 2447[16:40:12] <rant> DammitJim: yeah I got distracted too
• 2448[16:40:59] <rant> DammitJim: but what I get now that I finally got the vm network straight :P Is a dialog that says Start Installer, Start Installer (Expert Mode), and Shell and it shows like a serial console would, the 4 VTs at the top
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• 2452[16:43:24] <rant> DammitJim: replaced-url
• 2453[16:43:53] <rant> right screen is the installer running in virtualbox, left is local host terminal ssh into the virtualbox
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• 2456[16:44:28] <rant> erm vice versa.. I'm aggrivated right now :P
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• 2461[16:46:27] <DammitJim> yeah, I don't get that
• 2462[16:47:00] <rant> you don't even see the 4 VTs at the top?
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• 2466[16:49:33] <rant> this came up a while back.. I dont recall how to switch VT in the console like that
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• 2468[16:49:59] <rant> I'm googling like crazy and its like I'm not using the right terminology or something :P
• 2469[16:50:10] <rant> tried calling it a serial console cause thats basically what it is
• 2470[16:50:39] <twobitsprite> I'm running Buster, installed about 8 months ago, and just did an apt dist-upgrade, and now I can't ssh to any host. Putty works, so I'm 99% sure it's something with openssh itself. Just exits almost immediately with "broken pipe". Commented everything out of ~/.ssh/config. verbose output: replaced-url
• 2471[16:50:46] <twobitsprite> Interestingly, I can ssh to localhost just fine.
• 2472[16:51:03] <twobitsprite> Any help would be appreciated.
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• 2474[16:51:21] <twobitsprite> Also, I tried purging openssh-client and re-installing it. No joy.
• 2475[16:51:34] <greycat> !debian-next
• 2476[16:51:34] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2477[16:51:52] <DammitJim> rant, I see 2 VTs
• 2478[16:52:20] <twobitsprite> Oh yeah, I forget about that. When did that change again? I remember people used to talk about testing, sid, etc in here...
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• 2480[16:52:53] <jelly> it never changed?
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• 2483[16:53:33] <twobitsprite> Even since the Etch/Potato days?
• 2484[16:53:43] <twobitsprite> Anyway, seems like #debian-next is invite only...
• 2485[16:53:53] <rant> twobitsprite: lets just for argument sake, say it changed when Debian left freenode and we stayed :P
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• 2487[16:54:15] <greycat> *sigh*
• 2488[16:54:16] <rant> twobitsprite: #debian-next, like all Debian channels are on irc.debian.org ( irc.oftc.net )
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• 2491[16:54:30] <twobitsprite> rant: ooohh... right
• 2492[16:54:32] <blackflow> I'm always baffled at the constant inability of people, especially in technical circles like this irc chan, to NOT read a very simple sentence about network of #debian-next
• 2493[16:54:39] <rant> twobitsprite: you're on freenode.. those of us who stayed here, support Debian stable
• 2494[16:54:46] <blackflow> how the hell did they manage to read a single manpage and even use linux....
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• 2496[16:56:14] <rant> yeah well join the club.. greycat is the founder of that club. :P
• 2497[16:57:01] <rant> so do any of the rest of you know how to change "consoles" on the serial console or D-I NetworkConsole ?
• 2498[16:57:21] <rant> I know thats what the issue DammitJim is having is.. I just don't remember how to switch them
• 2499[16:57:24] <twobitsprite> Maybe a re-wording would help. "On irc.oftc.net, #debian-next is..."
• 2500[16:57:37] <DammitJim> hhhmmmm
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• 2506[16:58:57] <blackflow> twobitsprite: it's even in *bold* and with a follow up explanatory sentence that expects people not to read properly. failsafe that still fails :)
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• 2509[17:00:14] <rant> yes, we shouldn't really have to change English grammar and say things backwards just because people refuse to read two whole sentences
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• 2511[17:00:30] <twobitsprite> blackflow: failsafe that doesn't consider the cause of the failure, namely that people read the first couple of words.
• 2512[17:00:40] <greycat> *plonk*
• 2513[17:01:06] <twobitsprite> blackflow: *shrug* just saying, if you're tired of people getting it wrong, maybe a different approach would reduce confusion.
• 2514[17:01:33] <blackflow> twobitsprite: which is totally my point and why I'm baffled, that supposedly technical people, using linux which expects you to read complex manpages, can't read the follow up sentence, even if they forget this is not oftc. :)
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• 2518[17:02:25] <twobitsprite> blackflow: well, keep complaining because I'm sure I won't be the last person to get it wrong.
• 2519[17:02:38] <rant> ok.. lemme say this one time for the cheap seats.. THIS IS OFF-TOPIC! Feel free to use #debian-offtopic, we have a user here trying to install debian, and nobody is helping
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• 2534[17:07:24] <rant> idk.. I'm just googling in circles here.. idk what to call this shit.. this NetworkConsole in the Installer via ssh looks like a serial console to me.. but idk what you'd call the things they mapped the VT to.. but nothing is saying how to switch them
• 2535[17:07:40] <rant> there are two articles about NetworkConsole on our wiki neither mention how the hell to switch windows
• 2536[17:07:48] <rant> maybe thats just what you call em... windows.. idk
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• 2540[17:10:08] <uio> I never did end up solving this issue: I often have to (but not always) run su dhclient to get wifi to work... How can not have to do this?
• 2541[17:10:57] <rant> only thing relevant in the IG seems to say you can only start one session for the menu, but can start multiple sessions for shells
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• 2543[17:11:41] <rant> DammitJim: idk only way I can switch is to close the ssh and login again and I get that menu I showed you
• 2544[17:12:42] <rant> uio: you're gonna have to be a whole lot more specific.. are you using network-manager? are you checking logs? dmesg?
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• 2546[17:13:10] <DammitJim> it doesn't show me the menu to begin with
• 2547[17:13:22] <rant> shows it to me every time I ssh into the machine
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• 2549[17:14:00] <uio> rant, NetworkManager
• 2550[17:14:01] <rant> DammitJim: the IG does say you can only have the menu on one.. so perhaps you already have it somewhere
• 2551[17:14:13] <DammitJim> oh
• 2552[17:14:15] <uio> rant, I don't know about logs or dmseg
• 2553[17:14:17] <DammitJim> only 1 machine
• 2554[17:14:27] <DammitJim> maybe I wasn't supposed to touch the laptop where I'm installing debian?
• 2555[17:14:49] <rant> replaced-url
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• 2557[17:15:11] <rant> "After the login you will be presented with an initial screen where you have two possibilities called Start menu and Start shell. The former brings you to the main installer menu, where you can continue with the installation as usual. The latter starts a shell from which you can examine and possibly fix the remote system. You should only start one SSH session for the installation menu, but may start multiple
• 2558[17:15:17] <rant> sessions for shells."
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• 2561[17:17:47] <rant> idk I just opened up two tabs and ssh to the installer in both of them and I am on (1*installer) with that Configuring d-i thing like in my screenshot replaced-url
• 2562[17:18:03] <rant> does that every time I ssh in, even if I'm already connected
• 2563[17:18:45] <rant> I'm pretty sure serial console works like this too and there is a way to switch between those 4 "windows" or whatever they are.. but idk how..
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• 2565[17:19:19] <rant> this is the same way the installer works locally.. with a dialog/gui, two shells, and a log
• 2566[17:19:33] <rant> you seem to be stuck on the log window
• 2567[17:19:53] <rant> for me, when I wound up there, a ctrl+c seemed to get me to the shell
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• 2570[17:20:03] <rant> but only way I am able to get to the menu is to login again
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• 2572[17:20:21] <rant> and nobody else seems to be chiming in here
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• 2574[17:21:07] <uio> rant, Oh don't worry, I'm here. And I'm a big help :)
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• 2576[17:22:25] <rant> yeah, I bet.. if he wants to lose some screws or unplug his monitor cable
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• 2579[17:24:19] <rant> Its real obvious this NetworkConsole is highly used.. the IG doesnt describe it accurately and nobody seems to know about it
• 2580[17:25:06] <rant> the choices are "Start installer", "Start installer (expert mode)", and "Start shell" not "Start menu" and "Start shell" like IG says
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• 2582[17:25:22] <uio> rant, lol. I still haven't found the missing one.
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• 2633[17:54:14] <leszek> issue seems to be in debootstrap. Causing the /proc of the docker instance to umount hence failing in live-build stage umount stuff as /proc/mounts is missing. Commenting out the following helps: replaced-url
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• 2661[18:10:27] <ewl> fn
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• 2664[18:12:05] <LtL> uio: what are you looking for?
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• 2668[18:13:05] <LtL> uio: su dhclient is not the 'proper' way to obtain wifi
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• 2673[18:15:21] <uio> LtL, But it works....
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• 2675[18:15:44] <joze> wer?
• 2676[18:15:56] <LtL> uio: are you on stable, and which desktop?
• 2677[18:16:02] <uio> LtL, What should I do instead? The widget says it's connected but it won't connect until I do su dhclient
• 2678[18:16:05] <Nematocyst> running debian-installer from serial console. want to use a filesystem not included by default (nilfs2 in my case). I'm at a shell, is there a way to d/l and get the proper modules so I can make the filesystem? neither apt nor apt-get work
• 2679[18:16:10] <uio> LXDE stable
• 2680[18:16:39] <LtL> uio: what does 'systemctl status NetworkManager.service' say ... you don't need root at this point
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• 2683[18:17:45] <uio> LtL, It's working now, but here:
• 2684[18:18:18] <LtL> uio: it should say active, running
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• 2686[18:18:39] <uio> replaced-url
• 2687[18:21:10] <LtL> uio: that looks fine, how did you install and did you install what is needed. as root check/type 'less /var/log/syslog' see what the system is up to
• 2688[18:21:35] <LtL> uio: spacebar to go through pages
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• 2694[18:22:01] <uio1> LtL, How does it look?
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• 2699[18:22:53] <uio1> LtL, I just don't get why I sometimes have to run su dhclient...
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• 2702[18:23:19] <LtL> uio1: try this command instead, sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
• 2703[18:23:36] <LtL> uio1: the paste looks fine
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• 2705[18:24:00] <InvisibleRasta> is there a guide on how to bootstrap debian from archlinux?
• 2706[18:24:05] <uio1> voilà
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• 2708[18:24:11] <uio1> done
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• 2710[18:24:19] <LtL> uio1: with 'ps aux' as root, do you have multiple instances of dhclient?
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• 2715[18:25:59] <LtL> uio1: actually you don't need root you should see /sbin/dhclient lots-of-stuff here
• 2716[18:26:12] <uio1> just one
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• 2719[18:26:31] <LtL> uio1: ok, so what's the problem exactly?
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• 2726[18:27:33] <uio1> well, now for example firefox isn't connecting
• 2727[18:27:50] <uio1> but if I run su dhclient I think it will...
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• 2730[18:28:18] <uio1> yep
• 2731[18:28:19] <LtL> uio1: sudo dhclient if you insist
• 2732[18:28:22] <uio1> That solved it.
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• 2735[18:28:47] <uio1> [I was already in su]
• 2736[18:28:54] <LtL> uio1: check dmesg see what and why you're disconnecting
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• 2738[18:29:15] <uio1> So, if I restart the network, like with the command you gave me, then firefox cannot access the internet.
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• 2740[18:29:22] <LtL> uio1: if you were root using su is redundant
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• 2742[18:29:44] <LtL> uio1: syslog or dmesg will probably say why
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• 2745[18:30:15] <uio1> I wasn't
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• 2747[18:30:27] <LtL> uio1: check firefox network settings, something is messed up.
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• 2749[18:32:48] <uio1> LtL, replaced-url
• 2750[18:33:16] <uio1> LtL, Got to go... if you're here a while later, maybe can continue. Thanks for all your help anyway!
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• 2754[18:34:19] <LtL> uio1: i see issues in dmesg
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• 2758[18:39:43] <overclock> sup
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• 2760[18:39:48] <fling> How to install cura 3.6?
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• 2767[18:40:49] <bites> fling: by using the appimage from ultimaker.
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• 2777[18:44:11] <fanta7531> I just installed buster and can't the usermod command, was it removed?
• 2778[18:44:19] <fanta7531> can't find
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• 2784[18:45:36] <LtL> !debian-next
• 2785[18:45:37] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2786[18:46:06] <LtL> fanta7531: you might try #debian-next on OFTC
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• 2789[18:46:24] <greycat> fanta7531: most likely you used "su" which has changed in buster and no longer sets PATH for you
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• 2791[18:46:49] <fanta7531> yes exactly, sorry, stupid mistake
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• 2793[18:47:20] <LtL> fanta7531: not at all
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• 2795[18:47:22] <fanta7531> it did not set the PATH
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• 2800[18:48:45] <jhutchins_wk> fanta7531: su -
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• 2802[18:49:09] <greycat> (one of the right answers, but not the only one)
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• 2815[18:56:18] <rwp> I see people with the su & PATH issue but I never knew su set PATH previously and it seems wrong that it would do so. It's not supposed to. So I am glad of the new correct behavior in Buster.
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• 2818[18:57:56] <greycat> It's a change from Debian's previous behavior, so it *is* going to surprise people, and it *is* going to break things.
• 2819[18:58:33] <greycat> Near as I can tell, they don't care. The decision was based on "using code base X instead of code base Q because code base Q is no longer supported upstream".
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• 2840[19:11:20] <karlpinc> So, the change with buster is that su (by itself) used to set PATH, but as of buster it no longer does. (Unless you do su -.) Correct?
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• 2843[19:13:53] <greycat> "su -" being just one of the possible solutions, yes.
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• 2851[19:15:31] <uio1> Ltl What do you see?
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• 2855[19:18:28] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I think we discussed the fact that you prefer the new behavior of just "su". How do you get that effect on the versions that emulate "su -"?
• 2856[19:19:06] <greycat> I... don't understand the question.
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• 2861[19:19:41] <greycat> I am personally fond of the way Debian 9 and earlier work.
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• 2874[19:24:51] * karlpinc has vague memories of switching from "su" to "su -" in order to get $PATH set. But that was probably mid-90's or before. And wasn't debian. May not have been Linux.
• 2875[19:25:22] <greycat> The "su -" thing is common among Red Hatters, because that's the code base that buster is switching to.
• 2876[19:25:27] <LtL> uio1: paste one line of 'lspci' of your wireless device to the channel
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• 2878[19:25:38] <greycat> Legacy commercial unixes vary. Some of them change PATH on su, some do not.
• 2879[19:25:39] <karlpinc> If it was linux it would have been slackware.
• 2880[19:27:02] <LtL> uio1: and pastebin 'ip a'
• 2881[19:27:30] <uio1> LtL, 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub (rev 0c)
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• 2883[19:27:56] <greycat> doesn't look like a wireless interface
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• 2886[19:28:11] <LtL> uio1: pastebin entire 'lspci -nn' and 'ip a'
• 2887[19:28:18] <uio1> replaced-url
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• 2899[19:31:55] <LtL> uio1: is your wifi usb?
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• 2901[19:33:03] <uio1> LtL, Nope, I'm on a ThinkPad X61
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• 2905[19:34:15] <LtL> uio1: try 'dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi ; any ouput?
• 2906[19:34:51] <LtL> uio1: try 'dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi'
• 2907[19:35:02] <uio1> ii firmware-iwlwifi 20161130-4 all Binary firmware for Intel Wireless cards
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• 2913[19:36:57] <LtL> uio1: this dmesg line is unusual; [ 5763.900133] wls3: HW problem - can not stop rx aggregation for 4e:28:e3:82:8e:c8 tid 0
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• 2916[19:37:50] <LtL> uio1: have you rebooted since installing that firmware
• 2917[19:38:01] <uio1> LtL, Yes, many times.
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• 2919[19:38:13] <aaii> How i can start tor in debian?
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• 2923[19:38:50] <LtL> uio1: I don't understand what is going on.
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• 2927[19:39:36] <aaii> I mean run tor in debain
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• 2931[19:41:50] <uio1> LtL, Okay...
• 2932[19:41:58] <uio1> LtL, Well, thanks for trying!
• 2933[19:42:24] <LtL> uio1: Sorry i couldn't help
• 2934[19:42:49] <uio1> LtL, No worries, I have the su dhclient workaround :)
• 2935[19:43:04] <uio1> Well, cheers Free World.
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• 2943[19:44:19] <LtL> uiit's odd your wifi hardware doesn't appear in lspci
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• 2951[19:47:47] <greycat> Is it by chance a USB device? If so, it might be in lsusb instead.
• 2952[19:48:02] <jmcnaught> the wifi was on line 19 of their paste, but they're gone now
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• 2959[19:52:45] <t3st3r> aaii> what's your problem with tor? Just install it as any other package and it would usually even would start on its own.
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• 2962[19:53:33] <aaii> t3st3r, just stop at [notice] Bootstrapped 57%: Loading relay descriptors and didnt run completely
• 2963[19:54:10] <aaii> t3st3r, and when it 100, My ip didnt change
• 2964[19:54:28] <t3st3r> If it "bootstrapping 57%", it means what it tells, tor downloads descriptors. It can eventually take some moments.
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• 2966[19:54:51] <LtL> jmcnaught: i missed that, thanks
• 2967[19:55:07] <t3st3r> When it 100% ... you have socks 5 proxy at 127.0.0.1:9050 by default...
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• 2969[19:56:09] <aaii> t3st3r, so it shouldnt change ip? :|
• 2970[19:56:22] <t3st3r> That one isn't a "proxy", just a way to talk to tor daemon. Using it in programs would make programs accessing net via tor, appearing from other IPs.
• 2971[19:56:31] <t3st3r> Feel free to whois me... :)
• 2972[19:57:32] <aaii> so How i can change ip with tor?
• 2973[19:58:18] <t3st3r> Make programs using it socks5 proxy. Or use torify (or torsocks) to make it happen for (TCP) programs that do not know about socks proxies.
• 2974[19:58:58] <t3st3r> Say pointing browser that socks5 would ensure browser talks through this proxy - as the result via tor. Same idea everywhere.
• 2975[19:59:32] <t3st3r> It does not changes "external" ip globally, but still makes traffic appear from other IPs.
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• 2977[19:59:58] <aaii> t3st3r, so how i can torify? In debian packages maybe auto then?
• 2978[20:00:01] <t3st3r> It is not VPN - it slightly different. But works and does what it meant to.
• 2979[20:00:05] <aaii> *auto do torify
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• 2981[20:01:35] <t3st3r> I set up programs to use socks proxy. More recent tor also emulates HTTP proxy for more picky programs. Torify uses trick to preload library. You can probably preload it in a forced way for everything.
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• 2983[20:01:45] <t3st3r> But it would make some strange bugs.
• 2984[20:02:19] <t3st3r> As one thing tor does not talks UDP, not at all. That could bite, for example.
• 2985[20:02:21] <whislock> aaii: Just understand that neither Tor nor commercial VPN services provide any real security or anonymity.
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• 2988[20:02:48] <t3st3r> Tor does provides some security and anonimity if you use it right.
• 2989[20:03:18] <aaii> whislock, i know , i just want use tor as a ip changer
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• 2991[20:03:23] <t3st3r> However using things in secure and anonymous way is a bit more complicated than just installing 1 program and hoping for the best.
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• 2993[20:04:02] <t3st3r> there is also nothing wrong in combining tor and vpn, it raises bar a bit.
• 2994[20:04:36] <aaii> t3st3r, so you think i should do what for torify now? (i mean if you see tail os.in that os maybe some package doing torify auto)
• 2995[20:04:46] <whislock> Sadly, neither of those claims pan out. It is not difficult to deanonymize Tor and VPN users, even if you use both.
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• 2997[20:05:24] <t3st3r> whislock> well it depends on users, what they do and so on.
• 2998[20:05:29] <whislock> aaii: I just give that out as a blanket warning any time I see people using this stuff. They advertise themselves as privacy panaceas, when they're not.
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• 3000[20:05:46] <t3st3r> If one being creative and uses tor as part of solution, it could hurt tracking a lot.
• 3001[20:06:02] <AK_> dpkg: error processing package nginx-full (--configure):
• 3002[20:06:03] <dpkg> ak_: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
• 3003[20:06:04] <AK_> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
• 3004[20:06:05] <whislock> t3st3r: Sure, and the overwhelming majority don't know how to avoid behaviors that screw up the anonymity aspect. And it's not the user's fault - everything tracks everything these days.
• 3005[20:06:08] <aaii> whislock, ok, thanks
• 3006[20:06:11] <t3st3r> Tor isn't panacea - but it still got some useful properties.
• 3007[20:06:38] <whislock> t3st3r: Sure, I'm just trying to counter the "popular opinion." I'm not saying it's useless - I just want to paint a more realistic picture of what it CAN do.
• 3008[20:07:12] <whislock> Less so with Tor than commercial "VPN" (read: glorified proxy) services.
• 3009[20:07:25] <t3st3r> whislock> yea I've got your idea. But look, say in my setup SW is denied talking to net directly, to begin with. And then carefully tunneled. Only few programs.
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• 3011[20:07:54] <whislock> t3st3r: In most cases, it's the client app itself that breaks anonymity.
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• 3013[20:08:58] <t3st3r> It could be a problem, too. However tor screws bulk data collection by ISP or naive attempts of destinations to track "easy" way on basis of IP, country and so on.
• 3014[20:09:13] <whislock> That's not how most tracking is done, though.
• 3015[20:09:28] <whislock> If you use a browser that isn't meticulously configured, you are NOT anonymous, even if you're running it through Tor.
• 3016[20:10:09] <t3st3r> Sure, tor wouldnt help much if you log in to e.g. gmail under own account, stay logged, forget to delete cookies and so ... google knows everywhere you is you, tor or not.
• 3017[20:10:54] <t3st3r> So one better to be good in networking to begin with and inform self about protocols, etc.
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• 3019[20:11:08] <whislock> The point is being missed - browsers *themselves* screw anonymity. It's more than IPs, cookies, etc.
• 3020[20:11:14] <t3st3r> For me I just launch empty VM with brand new fresh browser once in a while :D
• 3021[20:11:37] <BCMM> whislock: on "behaviors that screw up the anonymity aspect", didn't the Silk Road guy get busted because he re-used a username he'd used on the clearnet?
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• 3023[20:12:11] <whislock> BCMM: Potentially. There's also traffic correlation - browsing patterns observed across sites based on tracking IDs.
• 3024[20:12:12] <BCMM> i mean, if somebody like that can make a simple slip up like that, what chance do regular folk have?
• 3025[20:12:28] <t3st3r> If I remember that nut used same email everywhere and even bragged about his alma mater. So police do not even had to hack tor... :D
• 3026[20:12:47] <whislock> t3st3r: They got him by correlating and deanonymizing his traffic.
• 3027[20:12:55] <AK_> replaced-url
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• 3030[20:13:06] <whislock> And if you think various governments aren't operating Tor exit nodes specifically to perform traffic correlation, you're naive.
• 3031[20:13:12] <t3st3r> whislock> I've read his case and details on investigation.
• 3032[20:13:21] <whislock> t3st3r: So have I.
• 3033[20:13:42] <at0m> if you want to know what you're giving away via your browser, replaced-url
• 3034[20:13:47] <t3st3r> Just out of curiosity what one could expect if being a high-profile bastard. It has been interesting case study after all.
• 3035[20:13:55] <BCMM> whislock: some traffic correlation is *really* straightforwards, too. there was that time a student made a bomb threat to get out of an exam, and they pretty quickly arrested the only person in that exam who was on Tor at the time of the threat...
• 3036[20:14:32] <t3st3r> And key fault seems to be using same email everywhere and sticking all that to shadow forum identity. Rather unwise action if one is to kick wasp nest.
• 3037[20:14:33] <whislock> I was also fortunate enough in a past job have exposure to more sensitive information regarding government-level anti-Tor technical measures.
• 3038[20:14:48] <whislock> It's really fascinating stuff.
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• 3041[20:15:29] <t3st3r> whislock> I do know about some fascinating stuff thanks to all funny leaks.
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• 3047[20:17:09] <t3st3r> but yeah one have to understand that if they get too annoying then can face a very potent threats. Threats that are very hard to dodge.
• 3048[20:17:24] <at0m> also, #debian-offtopic
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• 3055[20:20:11] <AK_> is it #tor?
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• 3057[20:21:46] <t3st3r> its rather funny - freenode has been rather tor-unfriendly for a while, seems tor moved away,,,
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• 3059[20:22:17] <t3st3r> So it redirects to ##nottor which topic tells where to go.
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• 3061[20:23:36] <t3st3r> at0m> humm nice version btw :)
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• 3065[20:26:34] <at0m> t3st3r: #tor on OFTC
• 3066[20:27:48] <jhutchins_wk> #debian-offtopic here.
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• 3076[20:33:41] <buttros_> Hello! How can I configure locale from the terminal? I need to setup formats in Greek but keep system language in English. Thanks!
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• 3078[20:34:20] <greycat> !locale
• 3079[20:34:20] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. replaced-url
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• 3081[20:34:26] <rant> !locales
• 3082[20:34:27] <dpkg> Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. replaced-url
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• 3139[21:06:03] <radulence84> hello
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• 3141[21:07:31] <radulence84> i have one question
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• 3143[21:07:40] <radulence84> i installed debian strech
• 3144[21:08:01] <radulence84> now i need to have installed serbian keyboard
• 3145[21:08:15] <radulence84> how i can install serbian keyboard
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• 3149[21:08:39] <radulence84> so i can choose between serbian and english keyboard layout
• 3150[21:08:56] <radulence84> if there is someone from serbia
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• 3152[21:09:06] <radulence84> please write to me on private
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• 3154[21:09:11] <radulence84> message
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• 3176[21:24:12] <whislock> radulence84: Asking for private help is generally frowned upon. If someone in here knows how to help, they'll answer here.
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• 3200[21:35:09] <shellclear> Hi , I dont know if here is the place correct to this question, if not, sorry. I need to remove default acl from directory and subdirectories. I already tried setfacl -Rb dirname, setfacl -Rb dirname but nothing works. does someone knows what can I do to solve this?
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• 3214[21:40:24] <whislock> shellclear: What are you trying to accomplish, and what are the current acls?
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• 3223[21:43:00] <dckusr> hi, any developers channel here ?
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• 3226[21:43:49] <shellclear> whislock: output from getfacl command replaced-url
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• 3228[21:44:13] <dckusr> how can we get the package python-opencv to not install X ? most people use opencv for non gui stuff
• 3229[21:44:22] <dckusr> maybe have someting like python-opencv-gui for those who want it ?
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• 3231[21:44:59] <shellclear> all subdirectories have the same default acl and I need to remove it from subdirs
• 3232[21:45:38] <whislock> shellclear: Try setfacl -Rk <dir>
• 3233[21:45:48] <shellclear> the problem is when I remove from directories the parent directory recovery the default acl again...
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• 3235[21:46:35] <whislock> -k should be removing default ACLs.
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• 3237[21:47:50] <shellclear> after to run setfacl -Rk default permissions still there
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• 3264[22:01:34] <jhutchins_wk> radkos: Why do you think you need to change that access?
• 3265[22:01:44] <jhutchins_wk> radkos: Sorry.
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• 3469[23:57:04] <dashs> Seems like the first nfs entry in my fstab is frequently skipped (systemd system). Be there a clue?
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