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57 [00:33:39] <AK> How to update dbus session address ?
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144 [01:29:03] <HeXiLeD> Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-i386/Packages' as repository 'replaced-url
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148 [01:29:46] <sn00ker> hi all
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154 [01:30:24] <sn00ker> how i can set the name from services? when i start multiple openvpn and i look with ps -A i see openvpn double
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158 [01:32:46] <HeXiLeD> [SOLVED] dpkg --add-architecture i386
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181 [01:45:07] <jmcnaught> sn00ker: openvpn comes with an instantiated service unit (replaced-url
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183 [01:46:05] <jmcnaught> sn00ker: look at /lib/systemd/system/openvpn@.service (and that blog entry) to get an idea of how it works
184 [01:46:31] <sn00ker> thanks
185 [01:46:33] <sn00ker> i look
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188 [01:48:30] <AK> how to update dbus-session-bus-address?
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232 [02:14:18] <M6HZ> hello
233 [02:14:56] <leibniz> npin p
234 [02:15:04] <M6HZ> I've discovered that ntpd doesn't come pre-installed with Debian. Is it something new ?
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236 [02:16:06] <whislock> systemd-timesyncd should be available.
237 [02:16:10] <whislock> timedatectl set-ntp on
238 [02:16:30] <M6HZ> So, are you saying that ntpd is deprecated ?
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241 [02:17:03] <LtL> M6HZ: the ntp package is still available
242 [02:17:07] <M6HZ> Yes
243 [02:17:14] <M6HZ> LtL: I know that
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245 [02:17:35] <whislock> Not sure if I'd say deprecated, but an ntp client is provided already.
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247 [02:17:45] <M6HZ> whislock: alright
248 [02:17:47] <M6HZ> Thanks
249 [02:18:48] <AK> how to update dbus-session-bus-address?
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255 [02:22:45] <SerajewelKS> i just completed a migration from (/ and swap)-in-LVM-in-luks to (/ and swap)-in-LVM-in-luks-in-raid1 without any downtime \o/
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257 [02:23:14] <SerajewelKS> fun exercise. pvmove is awesome.
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259 [02:23:45] <cryptodan_mobile> Till you reboot lol
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261 [02:24:11] <AK> SerajewelKS: did reboot?
262 [02:24:13] <SerajewelKS> nah, it should reboot fine. updated fstab and crypttab, updated initramfs, updated grub, reinstalled grub.
263 [02:24:22] <SerajewelKS> updated mdadm.conf
264 [02:24:51] <SerajewelKS> AK: the box is remote but i will be onsite tomorrow to reboot as a test. i've done this kind of maintenance enough to be pretty confident it will come back up.
265 [02:25:30] <cryptodan_mobile> I've heard that before
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267 [02:25:40] <SerajewelKS> as long as your crypttab, fstab, and mdadm.conf are correct and you update the initramfs after, you should be fine
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271 [02:27:18] <SerajewelKS> the trick to migrating into a same-size partition is to know that the raid metadata takes some space, so to avoid having to offline-resize / i just created a new swap LV after pvmove-ing / and deactivated the old swap. so the space for the raid metadata was taken from the swap volume.
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315 [02:52:51] <rwp> SerajewelKS, pvmove is awesome! FTW!
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640 [04:18:59] <tharkun> Good $DAY I am looking form imapfw program which happens to replace offlineimap yet I see no reference to it under Debian. Is it available?
641 [04:19:30] <tharkun> s/form/for/
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651 [04:26:12] <friendofafriend> tharkun: Nope, sorry.
652 [04:26:52] <tharkun> friendofafriend: Thanks for confirming the information. I hoped I had missed something. Also thanks for your time.
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655 [04:27:24] <friendofafriend> You're very welcome. I use "apt-file search <term>" for that.
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673 [04:43:07] <daniel-s> What is this that apt-get update is downloading?
674 [04:43:08] <daniel-s> Get:13 replaced-url
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698 [05:06:57] <jmcnaught> daniel-s: it's metadata for programs like gnome-software replaced-url
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708 [05:16:22] <Karatorian> I'm running testing and I upgraded yesterday, and when I rebooted today, my machine wouldn't boot because it couldn't find my LVM volumes. Neither kernel 4.19.0 or 4.18.0 would boot, but (luckily) 4.17.0 did. Any ideas what the problem could be?
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713 [05:19:33] <annadane> check bugs.debian.org and/or ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, the channel for testing/sid
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725 [05:25:25] <xdruppi> debian people, should i use apt or aptitude? just for general use
726 [05:25:49] <Svetlana> Either.
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921 [08:22:36] <Resilience> how can I get working diff with file names with whitespaces?
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923 [08:23:11] <themill> you might need to explain that some more
924 [08:23:21] <themill> (diff doesn't care)
925 [08:23:35] <Resilience> themill, diff -r does care
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927 [08:24:03] <themill> in what way?
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931 [08:27:06] <Resilience> themill, sorry, you were right, it does not care, I don't know what weird thing I did, sorry :)
932 [08:27:11] <themill> heh
933 [08:27:19] <themill> have fun with it ;)
934 [08:27:26] <Resilience> themill, O :o)
935 [08:27:31] <Resilience> themill, thanks
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971 [08:47:21] <Agiofws> can someone tell me how does nautilus automount my smbshare is there a config file for this or is it up to a samba config file?
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998 [09:05:27] <Agiofws> <Agiofws> why is it when i try to uninstall nautilus synaptic tells me its going to uninstall gnome aswell
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1104 [10:00:52] <olebrom> Agiofws: If Gnome got installed because You one time choosed to install Nautilus (aka. auto-marked) it will be removed when uninstalling Nautilus. But You can easly change this by removing the auto-mark.
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1118 [10:12:52] <mackerel449> will stretch-backports get linux 4.20?
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1120 [10:13:44] <petn-randall> mackerel449: Not yet, because it's not released yet.
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1123 [10:14:06] <petn-randall> mackerel449: And since buster is frozen, there's a good chance that it will get skipped.
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1125 [10:14:58] <mackerel449> petn-randall: thanks, but kernel.org has this
1126 [10:15:09] <mackerel449> "stable: 4.20.3 2019-01-16"
1127 [10:15:21] <petn-randall> Oh right, I misread it.
1128 [10:15:27] <mackerel449> it's not actually stable?
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1130 [10:16:51] <mackerel449> well nevermind if it's skipped it will probably only get 5.0 much later
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1136 [10:19:23] <jelly> petn-randall: also, 4.19 is supposed to be a longterm branch upstream unlike 4.20
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1144 [10:22:14] <petn-randall> that too
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1154 [10:28:56] <jelly> !buster pool 1
1155 [10:28:56] <dpkg> ! themill=2019-06-15, or jëlly=2019-08-01
1156 [10:29:26] <jelly> that's congruent with rc bugs graphs :-)
1157 [10:29:34] * jelly does not amend
1158 [10:30:54] <petn-randall> !buster pool 2
1159 [10:31:21] <petn-randall> Hmm, I should add my guess, too :)
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1185 [10:41:53] <jelly> !factinfo buster pool 2
1186 [10:41:53] <dpkg> jelly: there's no such factoid as buster pool 2
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1189 [10:42:00] <jelly> !factinfo buster pool 1
1190 [10:42:00] <dpkg> buster pool 1 -- created by themill <~stuart@unaffiliated/themill> at Fri Jun 16 14:43:26 2017 (579 days); last modified at Wed Oct 31 18:33:15 2018 by jelly!jelly@pdpc/supporter/active/jelly; it has been requested 6 times, last by jelly, 13m 4s ago.
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1194 [10:42:42] <themill> moo
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1196 [10:43:14] <themill> must be just about time to create bullseye pool
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1198 [10:43:42] <jelly> feeling optimistic
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1205 [10:48:53] <suprothunderbolt> does anyone know a way to execute a script at startup, without login (or with autologin) as if the user had
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1207 [10:49:03] <suprothunderbolt> run it from the shell?
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1209 [10:49:31] <suprothunderbolt> specifically I'm trying to start jackd with systemd and it complains about dbus / x
1210 [10:49:41] <suprothunderbolt> I'm not running X at all at it working okay from the shell
1211 [10:49:55] <petn-randall> dpkg: buster pool 1 =~ s/$/ petn-randall=2019-07-28
1212 [10:49:55] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, petn-randall
1213 [10:50:12] * petn-randall scratches head.
1214 [10:50:21] <petn-randall> What was the right syntax again?
1215 [10:50:27] <petn-randall> dpkg: buster pool 1 =~ s/$/ petn-randall=2019-07-28/
1216 [10:50:27] <dpkg> that doesn't contain '$', petn-randall
1217 [10:50:32] <jelly> s/.../.../ dammit
1218 [10:51:04] <jelly> also, the bot doesn't really do regexp there, $ is probably a literal character
1219 [10:51:50] <petn-randall> dpkg: buster pool 1 =~ s/08-01/ 08-01 petn-randall=2019-07-28/
1220 [10:51:50] <dpkg> OK, petn-randall
1221 [10:51:54] <jelly> and you do not seem to have included anti-highlight measures
1222 [10:52:18] <petn-randall> jelly: You're implying I don't want to be part of the discussion when we put money into the betting pool ;)
1223 [10:52:32] <jelly> dpkg, buster pool 1 =~ s/2019- 08-01/2019-08-01/
1224 [10:52:32] <dpkg> OK, jelly
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1226 [10:52:48] <petn-randall> good catch
1227 [10:53:15] <petn-randall> suprothunderbolt: What is the error you get? Does the systemd service require dbus?
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1231 [10:54:07] <jelly> suprothunderbolt: what use is jack without any user logged in?
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1244 [11:00:45] <at0m> jelly: system-wide jack can be useful when different users want to talk to device at the same time. say, mpd, firefox and an audio workstation
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1246 [11:01:36] <at0m> suprothunderbolt: systemctl --user set-environment JACK_PROMISCUOUS_SERVER=audio (also, #jack)
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1262 [11:07:11] <themill> not sure that I'd pick jack as the right tool for that job, however
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1290 [11:18:53] <Sepultura> Hallo
1291 [11:19:05] <Sepultura> Is there a problem with your iso and VirtualBox?
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1295 [11:20:54] <suprothunderbolt> petn-randall, jelly I'm running it on an embedded machine, so happy to login the only user automatically but it's box that does effects. Jack doesn't like to run as root.
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1298 [11:21:41] <suprothunderbolt> Cannot lock down 82278944 byte memory area (Cannot allocate memory)
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1301 [11:22:26] <suprothunderbolt> and Failed to connect to session bus for device reservation Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11 but I'm actually not running X and it starts fine from the shell over SSH without it
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1321 [11:39:12] <suprothunderbolt> I'm not sure why jack is presenting that error apart from dbus not being specified somehow in the environment
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1324 [11:40:04] <suprothunderbolt> if I try and run it in a bash login shell from systemd that appears not to work.
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1345 [11:58:12] <linuxconformer> guys how can i check if my server is accessible on port 443?
1346 [11:58:52] <Aaron> linuxconformer: man nmap
1347 [11:59:15] <apollo13> or netstat
1348 [11:59:20] <apollo13> or telnet
1349 [11:59:34] <airwind> or firefox
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1352 [11:59:48] <apollo13> okay netstat only tells you if it is running and listening, not reachable :D
1353 [11:59:48] <Fox> or lsof
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1355 [12:00:28] <airwind> don't forget hping3
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1358 [12:01:33] <linuxconformer> thanks
1359 [12:01:53] <Fox> tcptraceroute can do the job too
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1363 [12:04:49] <suprothunderbolt> mmm... still confused about systemd. If there is any easier way to just auto login and run a command that would be fine too.
1364 [12:05:17] <suprothunderbolt> mmm, basically auto login at the console would be perfect
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1368 [12:06:07] <blackflow> suprothunderbolt: sounds like an XY problem. what's the end goal you want to achieve?
1369 [12:06:45] <suprothunderbolt> start jackd, start synth program on an embedded box.
1370 [12:06:51] <suprothunderbolt> pi / beaglebone
1371 [12:07:23] <nirakara> so, i installed KDE after installing XFCE. Now none of my tray icons appear in XFCE. how do i fix this?
1372 [12:07:59] <nirakara> when i say tray icons, wifi and battery are now appearing after `apt install task-xfce-desktop`
1373 [12:08:00] <suprothunderbolt> basically I just want those two programs to be run automatically when the machine is turned on, anyway to achieve that is fine. No other local programs need to be run
1374 [12:08:18] <nirakara> but normal user programs like deadbeef music player, variety wallpaper changer, steam etc do not appear
1375 [12:08:57] <suprothunderbolt> blackflow, not sure if there is an easier way to achieve that goal than systemd.
1376 [12:09:22] <suprothunderbolt> issue with systemd appear to be missing environment and permissions
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1379 [12:10:22] <blackflow> suprothunderbolt: jackd is probably already a systemd service (I'm assuming, never used it), and starting an X11 program can also be done through a service you just have to make sure the xorg socket is available (thus the service should depend on xorg and/or graphical target). however, perhaps a better way to achieve autostarting GUI programs is through a DE and its autostarting capabilities. logind
1380 [12:10:28] <blackflow> auto-login on boot is configurable.
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1382 [12:11:13] <suprothunderbolt> blackflow, I'm not running X
1383 [12:11:51] <suprothunderbolt> blackflow, and jackd doesn't seem to want to start as a systemd service, it complains about no
1384 [12:11:51] <blackflow> suprothunderbolt: even better then.
1385 [12:11:54] <suprothunderbolt> DBUS socket
1386 [12:12:05] <blackflow> suprothunderbolt: probably misconfigured unit file
1387 [12:12:18] <suprothunderbolt> it also doesn't seem to get realtime permission
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1389 [12:12:24] <blackflow> 99% of "systemd problems" or "this program has a problem with systemd" comes from bad configuration.
1390 [12:12:47] <suprothunderbolt> Cannot lock down 82278944 byte memory area (Cannot allocate memory)
1391 [12:12:58] <suprothunderbolt> oh yes :) I'm just not sure how to configure it
1392 [12:13:29] <suprothunderbolt> does that mean I tell it somehow to users DBUS details?
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1396 [12:14:23] <blackflow> suprothunderbolt: what's the actual error it throws?
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1399 [12:14:48] <suprothunderbolt> blackflow, there are 2: Cannot lock down 82278944 byte memory area (Cannot allocate memory)
1400 [12:15:00] <suprothunderbolt> (so not getting RT permissions)
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1404 [12:15:54] <suprothunderbolt> blackflow: and Failed to connect to session bus for device reservation Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11 .... again I'm not running X11 and it works fine from a terminal over SSH
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1424 [12:25:37] <oo_miguel> when das apt upgrade require system restart? I assume one example is when a new kernel is out. But are there other not so obvious cases?
1425 [12:25:42] <oo_miguel> s/das/does
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1429 [12:29:02] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: You can probably avoid that with kexec if you're adventurous.
1430 [12:29:31] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: Other than PID1 and the kernel, I think everything else can be restarted. You can install 'needrestart' which will tell you then.
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1435 [12:32:39] <suprothunderbolt> ahh, i've fixed the RT permission issue! still got the dbus problem...
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1444 [12:36:08] <linuxconformer> why can't i renew my letsencrypt cert when using cloudflare?
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1446 [12:36:34] <suprothunderbolt> blackflow, oh I think I've fixed it...
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1449 [12:36:43] <suprothunderbolt> dbus-run-session
1450 [12:36:54] <suprothunderbolt> and the RT permission env
1451 [12:37:03] <blackflow> suprothunderbolt: yeah, sounds like something very specific to what jackd wants.
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1453 [12:37:16] <suprothunderbolt> yeah
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1455 [12:37:25] <Fox> linuxconformer: did you ask cloudflare ?
1456 [12:38:28] <linuxconformer> not yet
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1458 [12:38:36] <Fox> maybe you should start there
1459 [12:38:53] <yans> Hello.
1460 [12:38:54] <Fox> what error message do you have anyway ?
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1465 [12:39:53] <blackflow> suprothunderbolt: btw, how exactly does dbus-run-session fix the problem? in what context?
1466 [12:40:19] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: oh I will have a look at "needrestart" thank you
1467 [12:40:25] <suprothunderbolt> no idea, i just put that in front of the command and it now has access to dbus, which I don't care about anyway.... but jack starts and works
1468 [12:40:48] <linuxconformer> Fox: this one replaced-url
1469 [12:40:57] <suprothunderbolt> I can probably specify a global dbus somehow... but this was easy
1470 [12:41:06] <blackflow> suprothunderbolt: soudns hacky, that's why I asked. Take a look at this: replaced-url
1471 [12:41:13] <suprothunderbolt> I still need to work out how to make it not keep trying to restart
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1473 [12:41:49] <suprothunderbolt> it thinks jackd has quit and trys to start again...
1474 [12:42:59] <Fox> linuxconformer: how do you try to renew the certificate ? using cerbot or anything else ?
1475 [12:43:16] <linuxconformer> Fox: yeah with "certbot renew"
1476 [12:43:26] <Fox> linuxconformer: no other option ?
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1478 [12:43:35] <linuxconformer> just that
1479 [12:43:40] <linuxconformer> should there be more?
1480 [12:43:40] <petn-randall> linuxconformer: Which part of the issue is related to Debian?
1481 [12:44:26] <Fox> none I think petn-randall
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1486 [12:46:36] <suprothunderbolt> all working now :)
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1488 [12:48:56] <suprothunderbolt> blackflow, any idea about targets in systemd? I.e. can I just say jack.target to get something to start after jack?
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1491 [12:52:04] <blackflow> suprothunderbolt: no need, you can specify After= a .service too
1492 [12:52:16] <suprothunderbolt> ahh okay
1493 [12:52:24] <suprothunderbolt> After=jack.service?
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1495 [12:53:32] <blackflow> suprothunderbolt: there's several kinds of "after" dependencies, so take a look at the systemd.unit manpage for what exactly you want. After, or Requires, or ....
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1498 [12:54:17] <suprothunderbolt> After seems to be it... requires doesn't specify a timing right?
1499 [12:54:24] <suprothunderbolt> i.e. both start at once
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1502 [12:56:32] <nirakara> so, i installed KDE after installing XFCE. Now none of my tray icons appear in XFCE. how do i fix this?
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1504 [12:56:35] <nirakara> but normal user programs like deadbeef music player, variety wallpaper changer, steam etc do not appear
1505 [12:56:45] <nirakara> when i say tray icons, wifi and battery are now appearing after `apt install task-xfce-desktop` -- but that's it
1506 [12:57:25] <blackflow> suprothunderbolt: no, iirc Requires= explicitly waits for the dependency to start and stays up. After= is merely ordering in time with no guarantees that the dependency is satisfied.
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1509 [12:58:07] <blackflow> suprothunderbolt: but it's all explained in the systemd.unit manpage in detail, I don't know OTOH
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1513 [13:03:37] <nirakara> i believe the tray is called "notifications" in xfce
1514 [13:03:42] <nirakara> all of this broke after installing KDE
1515 [13:04:03] <nirakara> i'd like to use both of these if possible but if this is going to be this painful i might end up just reisntalling
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1535 [13:15:46] <suprothunderbolt> blackflow, thanks for the help. Still poking it to make it wait for the sound card to be ready first... after=target.sound doesn't seem to be enough...
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1539 [13:18:36] <blackflow> suprothunderbolt: "target.sound" ? o.O
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1541 [13:19:20] <blackflow> suprothunderbolt: you could use a .device unit and start a service only after the (u)dev(ice) is ready
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1543 [13:19:33] <suprothunderbolt> yeah, trying that
1544 [13:19:50] <blackflow> suprothunderbolt: eg like this replaced-url
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1548 [13:21:01] <suprothunderbolt> blackflow, thanks
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1614 [14:04:46] <Phizzy> .yt Ante Up MOP
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1709 [15:05:22] <m3thos> what package provides a library to link against using "-lz" ?
1710 [15:05:49] <greycat> zlib1g-dev
1711 [15:05:50] <m3thos> I'm compiling something by hand and fails on failing to link with "-lz" .. can't find the package that provides this
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1725 [15:15:23] <tdn> I have a Debian VM inside virtualbox. For some reason the date/time seems to keep drifting. It is always a bit behind after some time. How do I fix this?
1726 [15:15:59] <tdn> I have tried to install ntpd and have it sync with time servers however, it gets behind on time after a while
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1729 [15:18:31] <unborn> judd debian support jessie
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1741 [15:23:32] <Sepultura> how do I change that the apt-get install looks up internet?
1742 [15:23:52] <greycat> you edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file
1743 [15:24:03] <greycat> (and then run apt-get update)
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1746 [15:25:50] <Sepultura> ok done
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1753 [15:27:44] <Sepultura> greycat: in what repository is mariadb?
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1755 [15:27:59] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
1756 [15:27:59] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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1768 [15:30:27] <iveqy> hi, I've installed reprepro and successfully included a deb file that shows up with reprepro list stretch. However when I do an apt-get update from a client computer I get 404
1769 [15:30:30] <Sepultura> just errors
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1771 [15:30:38] <Sepultura> I should have installed fedora -.-
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1774 [15:30:57] <Sepultura> does not want to install because of depedencies
1775 [15:30:58] <iveqy> how can I debug this? I mean as far as I can see the file (Releases) actually exists
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1778 [15:31:20] <fling> How to remount root readonly? mount says / is busy
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1780 [15:31:34] <SwedeMike> fling: "mount -o ro,remount /"
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1782 [15:31:42] <fling> SwedeMike: says it is busy
1783 [15:31:47] <colo-work> unlikely
1784 [15:31:47] <ws2k3> currently i have a package installed from strech repo, i wish to "upgrade" this package to the version in strech-backports. is this possible? if so how?(i already have backports repo enabled)
1785 [15:31:49] <greycat> You can't do that on a running system. You will want to reboot from external media or something.
1786 [15:32:16] <colo-work> ws2k3, apt-get install -t stretch-backports packagename...
1787 [15:32:17] <Fox> no need for external media, if you can edit grub line and add init=/bin/sh at the end
1788 [15:32:18] <babilen> Sepultura: Paste your sources.list and the errors of "apt update" to replaced-url
1789 [15:32:24] <Fox> (while booting)
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1802 [15:35:44] <Sepultura> babilen: replaced-url
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1804 [15:36:46] <fling> Which package for ddrescue? not dd_rescue
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1806 [15:37:09] <Sepultura> babilen: replaced-url
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1808 [15:37:18] <Sepultura> the last one is the big photo
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1811 [15:37:33] <towo^work> don't paste pictures
1812 [15:37:37] <towo^work> paste text
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1814 [15:37:43] <babilen> to replaced-url
1815 [15:37:55] <towo^work> pasting pictures for text output is insane
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1819 [15:38:11] <Sepultura> I am on another pc here
1820 [15:38:13] <jelly> but sometimes unavoidable
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1822 [15:38:56] <babilen> Sepultura: You are missing many entries from that list and you also have leading spaces in there
1823 [15:39:01] <babilen> dpkg: stretch sources.list
1824 [15:39:01] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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1826 [15:39:34] <babilen> Make sure you have all of those (and remove the rest of the file)
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1828 [15:39:41] <jelly> not the first time I've seen d-i put NO main mirrors inside, at all
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1830 [15:39:52] <babilen> Run "apt update" which should run without issues and should allow you to install mariadb without problems
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1839 [15:41:30] <Ronja> hi. how can I get apt-get to be quiet? the "-qq" option seems to work on my ubuntu desktop but not when I'm building a Docker image based on Debian.
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1844 [15:42:31] <greycat> >somelogfile 2>&1
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1848 [15:43:38] <Sepultura> great works
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1851 [15:43:52] <Ronja> obviously, but I'm mainly curious about why a documented feature doesn't work as documented
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1969 [16:33:03] <ghoulsblade> hi all! i have some weird behavior with rtcwake --utc --mode no --seconds 32400 , which i want to just wake the computer up in 9 hours but it actually changes the RTC time shown by timedatectl
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1972 [16:33:41] <ghoulsblade> even weirder is calling it repeatedly with the same parameters continues to increase the time again and again
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1980 [16:35:35] <Sepultura> how severe is the bug in SCP ?
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1986 [16:36:57] <jelly> Sepultura: which bug?
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1988 [16:37:15] <Sepultura> replaced-url
1989 [16:37:17] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1991 [16:37:38] <Sepultura> replaced-url
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1994 [16:38:32] <OerHeks> CVE-2018-20685 CVE-2019-6111 CVE-2019-6109 CVE-2019-6110
1995 [16:38:41] <OerHeks> from replaced-url
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2000 [16:39:38] <Sepultura> this one
2001 [16:39:45] <Trel> I just read that Debian is dropping MongoDB?
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2004 [16:39:48] <Trel> Is that true?
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2007 [16:41:38] <petn-randall> Trel: Yes. replaced-url
2008 [16:42:59] <jelly> Sepultura: that bug is really a consequence of scp working within a shell context
2009 [16:43:19] <Trel> petn-randall: damn, it's a required component of the Unifi controller :(
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2013 [16:44:27] <colo-work> Trel, due to the license change, I guess there's a chance that will be revisited there, too :)
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2016 [16:44:43] <jelly> Sepultura: you can work around it by disabling shell access and allowing only sftp :-)
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2018 [16:45:58] <petn-randall> Trel: The license change makes it unfit for Debian. If you feel this is annoying, write an angry letter to MongoDB Inc. Maybe they'll change their mind.
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2020 [16:46:24] <shtrb> Sepultura, if you care about that you can limit your ssh server to provide only sftp access (only one)
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2025 [16:49:11] <shtrb> colo-work, you could be using that in by getting it from sid for some time
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2027 [16:49:52] <jelly> Sepultura: scp has _lots_ of other issues coming from it being basically a command running in shell -- you need to do shell escapes to copy files with spaces, for example
2028 [16:50:07] <jelly> in short, scp is crap but handy, avoid it
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2031 [16:50:39] <jelly> Sepultura: if you have rsync installed on both ends, it's a superior tool for copying stuff
2032 [16:50:54] <shtrb> scp will not blow up! it's not crap
2033 [16:51:09] <jelly> scp is objectively crap.
2034 [16:51:56] <shtrb> collecting crap would put you on a watchlist, crap could blowup. scp can not do all of that :D
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2082 [17:12:50] <Trel> petn-randall: I know. That was more of a "damn" than directed.
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2094 [17:25:54] <Lope> dmesg says: "device-mapper: table: 253:0: adding target device sda caused an alignment inconsistency: physical_block_size=4096, logical_block_size=512, alignment_offset=0, start=2097152"
2095 [17:26:38] <Lope> It's referring to my 500GB magnetic HDD inside a USB3 enclosure. I doubt the HDD's block size is bigger than 512 in reality. Probably the USB3 enclosure's block size is 4096?
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2104 [17:29:02] <octet> what is the proper way to remove a custom debian kernel?
2105 [17:29:17] <greycat> if you installed it as a package, simply remove the package
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2107 [17:29:26] <greycat> if you installed it manually, undo those steps manually
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2109 [17:29:46] <octet> I got a warning screen when I was removing the package, saying it may break my system
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2113 [17:30:13] <greycat> If it's the kernel you're currently running, and you don't have another kernel installed, then things could be bad.
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2115 [17:31:18] <octet> I was running the normal kernel, installed my custom one via package. so if I remove the package, will it revert to the standard debian kernel automatically?
2116 [17:31:53] <greycat> After you install or remove any kernel packages, it will automatically rerun update-grub for you, to regenerate the grub menu with whatever's left.
2117 [17:32:03] <octet> okay, thanks
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2129 [17:35:36] <n4dir> might be better to boot in the "other" kernel, then remove the one you want to remove (better as in: no warning).
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2152 [17:45:42] <nirakara> so, i installed KDE after installing XFCE. Now none of my tray icons appear in XFCE. how do i fix this?
2153 [17:45:47] <nirakara> but normal user programs like deadbeef music player, variety wallpaper changer, steam etc do not appear
2154 [17:45:49] <Lope> A guy on another channel claims that luks'ing a hard drive directly, without any partition table, will misalign data with respect to the hard drive's 4k block size. Is that true?
2155 [17:45:59] <nirakara> when i say tray icons, wifi and battery are now appearing after `apt install task-xfce-desktop` -- but that's it
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2159 [17:46:10] <nirakara> i believe the tray is called "notifications" in xfce
2160 [17:46:18] <nirakara> all of this broke after installing KDE
2161 [17:46:25] <whislock> Lope: No idea, but you really -should- use a partition, else certain utilities may see the disk as empty due to an invalid partition table.
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2163 [17:47:31] <Lope> whislock, I'm not planning on moving the disk around, it's just for backup purposes.
2164 [17:47:51] <whislock> Don't care, same answer.
2165 [17:47:56] <petn-randall> Lope: Not to my knowledge, and I'd be surprised if that were the case. However, as whislock said, I strongly recommend using a partition table for various reasons.
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2172 [17:48:52] <Neobenedict> hi i launch a program inside fluxbox/tightvncserver and get this message
2173 [17:48:56] <Neobenedict> Qt: XKEYBOARD extension not present on the X server.
2174 [17:49:03] <Neobenedict> and when I try to type the keyboard is mapped incorrectly
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2176 [17:49:09] <Neobenedict> like, keys are just random
2177 [17:49:13] <Neobenedict> d turns into b
2178 [17:49:14] <Neobenedict> etc
2179 [17:49:26] <petn-randall> Lope: Not using a partition table saves you - what? - a whopping 4KB of data. The downside is that plugging it into Mac or Windows machines will prompt a "This disk is not formatted. Shall I format it now? y/n", and also Linux will not know about any data on there.
2180 [17:49:42] <Lope> petn-randall, I've already done it without a partition and filled the disk, so I don't want to change unless there's an alignment problem.
2181 [17:50:00] <whislock> Pick a channel and talk on it, Christ.
2182 [17:50:19] <Lope> petn-randall, well, arguably it's more secure without a partition table.
2183 [17:50:21] <petn-randall> whislock: Huh? Is someone crossposting?
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2185 [17:50:31] <whislock> Lope is, yes. #archlinux.
2186 [17:50:32] <Lope> if it gets stolen, the fool formats it.
2187 [17:50:33] <petn-randall> Lope: How is that "more" secure?
2188 [17:50:37] <Lope> That's what I want
2189 [17:50:38] <whislock> Lope: That's total bunk.
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2191 [17:51:03] <Lope> I encrypt due to the risk of theft.
2192 [17:51:09] <Lope> physical theft
2193 [17:51:10] <petn-randall> Lope: Are you using Debian?
2194 [17:51:24] <Lope> Various distros
2195 [17:51:33] <Lope> luks works on all
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2197 [17:52:03] <AK> Lope: what do you wanna achieve?
2198 [17:52:05] <whislock> Lope: Not having a partition table does not increase security, period.
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2200 [17:52:11] <Lope> AK, I've already achieved what I want.
2201 [17:52:38] <Lope> Somebody told me my data won't be aligned with the 4k block sizes of the hard drive with luks directly on the hard drive with no partition table.
2202 [17:52:42] <Lope> But I think that's total BS.
2203 [17:52:44] <whislock> Lope: You've been given your answer on two separate channels, and the answer is the same. Not having a partition table is a bad idea.
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2205 [17:52:55] <Lope> whislock, that's not the answer.
2206 [17:53:02] <petn-randall> !tell Lope -about crosspost
2207 [17:53:04] <whislock> It is the answer.
2208 [17:53:04] <Lope> My question is regarding alignment, and only alignment.
2209 [17:53:11] <whislock> Lope: Don't care. You've gotten your answer.
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2211 [17:53:12] <Lope> whislock, go away please.
2212 [17:53:14] <petn-randall> You got an answer.
2213 [17:53:22] <whislock> That this doesn't align with your preconceived notions doesn't change the validity of the answer.
2214 [17:53:37] <Lope> You're answering a non-existent question.
2215 [17:53:43] <AK> Lope: you should then ask this any fs related channels
2216 [17:53:46] <Lope> I asked about alignment, and only alignment.
2217 [17:53:49] <petn-randall> Lope: Please don't de-rail the discussion.
2218 [17:53:52] <whislock> Lope: See above. You've gotten your answer.
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2220 [17:54:01] <Lope> Not for advice on how it might get formatted by accident by someone who doesn't know it's luks.
2221 [17:54:03] <whislock> I am not magically restricted to answering only the exact question you've asked.
2222 [17:54:11] <Lope> If someone steals my drive, I'll be very happy for them to format it.
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2224 [17:54:23] <petn-randall> You already said that.
2225 [17:54:25] <nirakara> Lope, why not just use a partition and encrypt it?
2226 [17:54:36] <whislock> nirakara: Because he thinks that not having a partition table makes him more secure.
2227 [17:54:40] <Lope> nirakara, I've already filled the drive
2228 [17:54:47] <AK> lol
2229 [17:54:50] <whislock> This is cargo cult security.
2230 [17:54:55] <diogenes_> Lope, use tails os then :)
2231 [17:55:06] <Lope> still no answer.
2232 [17:55:10] <nirakara> its kinda the ultimate security by obscurity
2233 [17:55:11] <petn-randall> Lope: There's still a LUKS header on there, so it's not really hidden. It just makes it more inconvenient for *you*.
2234 [17:55:13] <Lope> just platitudes
2235 [17:55:15] <whislock> Lope: You've gotten plenty of answers.
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2237 [17:55:27] <whislock> Lope: You don't like them, but that's no one's problem but yours. Moving on.
2238 [17:55:39] <AK> well, its okay to have luks without a partititon table but that doesn't have something with security
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2240 [17:55:53] <nirakara> Lope, petn-randall mentioned alignment would not be a problem to his knowledge. you can safely ignore the rest if you believe it's secure i guess
2241 [17:55:55] <JordiGH> Wasn't there a project somewhere to give debbugs a WUI?
2242 [17:56:00] <whislock> AK: The issue with not having a partition table is that any utility, including on your own system, will think the disk is empty due to an invalid partition table.
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2244 [17:56:08] <JordiGH> I mean, a WUI for writing, not just reading.
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2246 [17:56:45] <Lope> whislock, I control the utilities. I mount the luks. End of story.
2247 [17:56:52] <petn-randall> Lope: moving on.
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2249 [17:57:23] <esainane> you'll get a message in the kernel log from device-mapper if there's an alignment inconsistency
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2251 [17:57:29] <InvisibleRasta> heya guys, one question. i have a system where i want o install debian but the only possible option i have is to put the netinstall iso on a hard disk partition and then launch the iso from grub. how would the grub cfg be for it?
2252 [17:57:39] <AK> in case things gone wrong someday, what would you do?
2253 [17:58:01] <AK> then the utilities will control you ;-)
2254 [17:58:01] <InvisibleRasta> i alredy dd'ed the iso to the partition but i cant figure out how to boot it from grub
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2258 [17:58:18] <Kobaz> how would i force every package to be installed/reinstalled from a specific repo
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2260 [17:58:33] <whislock> AK: If this is still related to Lope's nonsense, it's likely offtopic for the channel, as its doubtful this is a Debian question.
2261 [17:58:37] <JordiGH> ]/j #emacs
2262 [17:58:49] <whislock> JordiGH: And that's why we don't use emacs.
2263 [17:58:51] <SwedeMike> InvisibleRasta: can't you just follow the same procedure as to make a bootable usb stick but do it to a hdd instead, and then boot the installer from that hdd and install debian to a different hdd?
2264 [17:58:53] <petn-randall> AK: They're ignorant to any hints, so please leave it.
2265 [17:58:56] <Lope> esainane : device-mapper: table: 253:0: adding target device sda caused an alignment inconsistency: physical_block_size=4096, logical_block_size=512, alignment_offset=0, start=2097152
2266 [17:58:58] <whislock> JordiGH: (Joking, obviously.)
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2268 [17:59:06] <JordiGH> whislock: I'm not using Emacs to chat.
2269 [17:59:17] <Lope> esainane, that's the reason I'm asking. dmesg gives the above warning.
2270 [17:59:20] <InvisibleRasta> SwedeMike: you mean dd the iso to a partition and i should alredy be able to boot it?
2271 [17:59:43] <SwedeMike> InvisibleRasta: no, just dd the installed iso to the hdd itself, without making a partition at all.
2272 [17:59:50] <SerajewelKS> cryptodan / cryptodan_mobile / AK: i'm happy to report that after my online migration of / into raid1, the system did reboot successfully :)
2273 [17:59:52] <Kobaz> ie: i have replaced-url
2274 [18:00:00] <SwedeMike> InvisibleRasta: installer iso, I mean
2275 [18:00:06] <petn-randall> Lope: On Debian, or on Arch?
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2277 [18:00:17] <InvisibleRasta> SwedeMike: i need it to be on a partition as there is other os's installed
2278 [18:00:18] <Kobaz> i can specifically do apt-get install mono-gac/stretch.... but how do i do that for *all* packages
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2280 [18:00:35] <esainane> Yes, that's the sort of warning it'll give. There can be false positives though, so you can run the numbers yourself to see if things are properly divisible. In this case, 2097152 % 4096 == 0, so you're fine.
2281 [18:00:40] <AK> InvisibleRasta: what you wanna achieve? do you wanna install the system from another drive present in your machine? assumin you have two hard drives
2282 [18:00:42] <Lope> I googled it and found that there are linux bugs saying that USB enclosures (how this drive is connected) can cause this error and it's been a false error, in previous reports where the numbers match physical_block_size=4096, logical_block_size=512
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2284 [18:00:56] <SwedeMike> InvisibleRasta: oh. so there is grub already installed that boots this other operating system?
2285 [18:01:00] <AK> SerajewelKS: cool congrats
2286 [18:01:11] <InvisibleRasta> SwedeMike: yes
2287 [18:01:22] <Lope> esainane, yes, I did the division as well and saw it's aligned as you mentioned.
2288 [18:01:35] <Lope> Okay, so all's well then. Thanks esainane
2289 [18:01:39] <InvisibleRasta> AK: i want to install debian on my system but i dont have usb drives or cd's or other pc's to use them for netboot
2290 [18:01:59] <SwedeMike> InvisibleRasta: replaced-url
2291 [18:02:05] <InvisibleRasta> so i was thinking the best way would be to dd the iso to a partition i dont need at the moment and laod the iso from there
2292 [18:02:10] <AK> InvisibleRasta: you have uefi supported system?
2293 [18:02:32] <InvisibleRasta> AK: yes
2294 [18:03:05] <AK> InvisibleRasta: do you have ethernet?
2295 [18:03:10] <InvisibleRasta> yes
2296 [18:03:14] <SwedeMike> InvisibleRasta: replaced-url
2297 [18:03:32] <AK> your machine supports boot from network?
2298 [18:03:36] <SwedeMike> InvisibleRasta: seems to be exactly what you need.
2299 [18:03:36] <InvisibleRasta> yes
2300 [18:03:44] <whislock> Oh, the joys of PXE.
2301 [18:04:00] <SerajewelKS> he just said he doesn't have "other pc's" so i assume netboot is not an option
2302 [18:04:02] <AK> InvisibleRasta: you're lucky then.
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2304 [18:04:24] <InvisibleRasta> well i was hoping that if i have the iso dd'ed into a partition i could load it
2305 [18:04:30] <AK> I never tried this same with debian but you can . Just search if debian has a pxeboot iso
2306 [18:04:34] <AK> oh yeah it has
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2309 [18:05:19] <SwedeMike> InvisibleRasta: in the link I have pasted twice now but you seem to have ignored you can put the iso on a partition file system and boot from the iso, which should work for your use-case. But since you seem to be ignoring me I'm out of this discussion now.
2310 [18:05:30] <chartax> join #linux
2311 [18:05:41] <chartax> whoops, sorry.
2312 [18:05:50] <rant> its ##linux
2313 [18:05:53] <InvisibleRasta> SwedeMike: no no i saw your link. i am reading trought it. thank you.. i was jsut seeing also what AK was saying
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2315 [18:06:25] <AK> Just create an entry using efibootmgr, reboot, lift your finger one feet above the keyboard, and hit enter once you see pxe entry
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2317 [18:06:47] <Kobaz> so... anyone know how i might force all packages to install from a specific repo?
2318 [18:07:20] <rant> Kobaz: you don't is a good start..
2319 [18:07:27] <Kobaz> but what if i do
2320 [18:07:29] <greycat> If you're trying to undo a frankendebian, reinstalling may be your best choice.
2321 [18:07:37] <rant> then you might want to script it I suppose
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2323 [18:07:45] <n4dir> you will have to set it default, probably in /etc/apt/preferences (perhaps conf, not sure)
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2325 [18:08:17] <petn-randall> !goal
2326 [18:08:17] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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2328 [18:08:22] <petn-randall> Kobaz: ^^^
2329 [18:08:29] <Kobaz> the goal is to get every package synced up to the right repo
2330 [18:08:33] <Kobaz> an upgrade didn't go well
2331 [18:08:45] <Kobaz> ie: i have replaced-url
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2333 [18:09:04] <petn-randall> Kobaz: Debian does not know where the package is from once it is installed, so that question is moot.
2334 [18:09:20] <Kobaz> so i have to manually apt-get install mono-gac/stretch
2335 [18:09:21] <Kobaz> to fix it
2336 [18:09:35] <Kobaz> which of course has dependencies that are wack
2337 [18:09:35] <petn-randall> Kobaz: Where did you get which package from?
2338 [18:09:38] <Kobaz> which also need /stretch
2339 [18:09:46] <Kobaz> i think its backports at some point in time
2340 [18:09:47] <greycat> You keep using phrases like "the right repo" which means you have MORE THAN ONE "repo". Which means you are on the path to frankendebian, if not already fully sunk into the frankendebian swamp.
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2342 [18:10:20] <petn-randall> Kobaz: If it was from backports, the version number would have "~bpo" in it. Try again.
2343 [18:11:10] <Kobaz> "at some point"
2344 [18:11:25] <Kobaz> i dont really remember where it came from
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2346 [18:11:51] <petn-randall> Kobaz: You could try downgrading then. Assuming the package versions are higher:
2347 [18:11:53] <petn-randall> !downgrade
2348 [18:11:53] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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2351 [18:12:12] <petn-randall> Kobaz: But if you don't remember where it came from I'd backup data and do a clean reinstall.
2352 [18:12:12] <Kobaz> right, i can do that per package
2353 [18:12:21] <Kobaz> is there any way to do that for all packages with some options
2354 [18:12:28] <petn-randall> !partial downgrade
2355 [18:12:28] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
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2357 [18:12:40] <Kobaz> mm
2358 [18:12:41] <Kobaz> k
2359 [18:13:04] <petn-randall> Kobaz: If you don't remember, you could just as well be running malware now. So I'd reinstall.
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2361 [18:13:38] <Kobaz> hah no
2362 [18:13:53] <Kobaz> it's just been messed up a while and i'm wanting to fix it now since it's driving me nuts
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2364 [18:14:05] <n4dir> !bat
2365 [18:14:08] <n4dir> damn
2366 [18:14:27] <d0rm0us3> definition: a while...... This sounds like longer than 6 months.
2367 [18:14:45] <Kobaz> yeah been a while
2368 [18:14:49] <BCMM> Kobaz: if you're got stuff that was just installed directly with dpkg, from a downloaded .deb, there may very well be literally no automatic way to update it
2369 [18:14:53] <Kobaz> i don't have an exact timeframe
2370 [18:14:57] <n4dir> this way or that way from what you say your system is seriously broken, hence greycat said "frankendebian", and reinstalling is the best choice.
2371 [18:14:58] <BCMM> ^you've
2372 [18:15:05] <Kobaz> well i'm not reinstalling
2373 [18:15:12] <n4dir> good. have fun.
2374 [18:15:13] <Kobaz> i've fixed this type of stuff before, it's not hard
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2376 [18:15:19] <Kobaz> just looking for a quicker way
2377 [18:15:21] <BCMM> Kobaz: if you installed it with apt, however, your sources.list might provide some clues as to what you actually did
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2381 [18:16:01] <InvisibleRasta> AK: how can i create an entry with efibootmng
2382 [18:17:22] <d0rm0us3> Kobaz, you DO have backups from before the server went awry yes?
2383 [18:17:28] <Kobaz> it's not a server
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2385 [18:17:46] <d0rm0us3> s/server/system
2386 [18:17:48] <Kobaz> i have data backups of course, but not od
2387 [18:17:48] <Kobaz> os
2388 [18:17:59] <Kobaz> it's been forever, and i've made changes since then so
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2390 [18:18:05] <Kobaz> it's better to keep what's already there and just fix it
2391 [18:18:07] <d0rm0us3> Not even day 1 baseline?
2392 [18:18:18] <Kobaz> day 1, haha
2393 [18:18:24] <Kobaz> that was like 10 years ago
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2397 [18:18:47] <Kobaz> not very useful at this point...
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2401 [18:19:08] <d0rm0us3> So how have you been doing updates/upgrades all this time?
2402 [18:19:11] <Kobaz> yeap
2403 [18:19:16] <Kobaz> apt-get upgrade and/or dist-upgrade
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2407 [18:19:50] <d0rm0us3> I'm a noob.. does Debian handle major version change via dist-upgrade?
2408 [18:20:03] <d0rm0us3> ie: 8 to 9?
2409 [18:20:06] <Kobaz> yeah
2410 [18:20:08] <JordiGH> I think dist-upgrade is deprecated or something?
2411 [18:20:12] <JordiGH> Isn't it just "upgrade" now?
2412 [18:20:19] <Kobaz> that's the main reason i moved to debian from redhat/slackware/etc
2413 [18:20:19] <JordiGH> Or was it undeprecated?
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2415 [18:20:29] <Kobaz> since you can always keep your installed system... reinstalling SUCKS
2416 [18:20:33] <jmcnaught> it was never deprecated
2417 [18:20:53] <jmcnaught> always best to read the release notes for the upgrade instructions, a little more to it than just dist-upgrade
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2419 [18:20:59] <Kobaz> sometimes, yes
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2424 [18:21:35] <JordiGH> jmcnaught: I'm pretty sure at least one of the release notes said to not use dist-upgrade but just plain upgrade.
2425 [18:21:38] <greycat> JordiGH: "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "apt full-upgrade" do everything. "apt upgrade" will install new pkgs but NOT remove pkgs; "apt-get upgrade" will neither install new nor remove pkgs.
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2428 [18:22:00] <jmcnaught> JordiGH: [citation required]
2429 [18:22:03] <JordiGH> Oh, full-upgrade, maybe that's the one I'm thinking of. Is that an alias for dist-upgrade?
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2431 [18:22:15] <n4dir> it is the aptitude version, iirc
2432 [18:22:20] <JordiGH> jmcnaught: WIKI:GOODFAITH
2433 [18:22:30] <JordiGH> n4dir: Yeah, maybe! Debian 7?
2434 [18:22:52] <n4dir> i assume you can still use aptitude, if you want.
2435 [18:23:25] <SerajewelKS> the release notes suggest doing upgrade first, to get the bulk of the packages. then doing dist-upgrade to upgrade things likely to remove packages or have conflicts, so you have a smaller set of things to sift through when resolving those problems.
2436 [18:23:56] <SerajewelKS> you can just do dist-upgrade as well, but if there are problems, it's easier to figure out what to do with the conflicts if you aren't looking at _everything_ that needs to be upgraded.
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2438 [18:24:21] <emr> Hello, is there any deb repo for ndpi-netfilter
2439 [18:24:34] <n4dir> ah. i only did it like that as i was told to do it like that, without thinking about the why.
2440 [18:25:16] <JordiGH> Hm, it was Debian 5 that used aptitude instead of apt-get. And it does use dist-upgrade.
2441 [18:25:37] <JordiGH> replaced-url
2442 [18:25:49] <JordiGH> Or maybe it's Ubuntu that said something about dist-upgrade.
2443 [18:26:23] <JordiGH> Kobaz: So how do you feel about rolling releases?
2444 [18:26:54] <Kobaz> JordiGH: great for a desktop, bad idea for a server
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2447 [18:28:01] <AK_> add-apt-repository -y ppa:ondrej/ppa:ondrej/apache2 I once did it. How to undo it?
2448 [18:30:02] <emr> AK_, check /etc/apt/sources.list.d and remove and run apt update
2449 [18:30:10] <somiaj> You should check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d for the sources line that adds that repo and delete it then run apt-update. That will only remove it from your sources, it won't fix any packages you got from there that could conflict with the debian system.
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2451 [18:30:41] <AK_> emr: thanks I was looking it in sources.list
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2488 [18:55:04] <cryptodan> SerajewelKS: good to hear, and that is a system admin joke and a change management one
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2494 [18:56:34] <ewew> Hi. The 4.19 backport kernel is available.
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2496 [18:56:46] <greycat> we knew that, yes
2497 [18:57:17] <ewew> It was a delay ? Because first was available only unsigned flavor.
2498 [18:57:48] <ewew> ok. time to reboot and test.
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2500 [18:57:55] <SerajewelKS> cryptodan: how so?
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2505 [18:58:20] <cryptodan> SerajewelKS: you think all went good then you reboot and no workie lol
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2510 [18:58:56] <SerajewelKS> but it did work. i'm just not sure what the "joke" you reference is. :P
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2517 [19:01:19] <cryptodan> SerajewelKS: what i said last night was the joke
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2522 [19:04:21] <jhutchins_wk> One of the releases recommended against using aptitude to do the upgrade because it does more thorough dependency resolution than apt-get (at the time) and tended to get caught in a resolution loop.
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2524 [19:05:28] <greycat> Yup. aptitude has not been recommended for release upgrades for quite some time.
2525 [19:05:42] <ewew> Look so far good. Suspend without a oops.
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2528 [19:07:49] <SerajewelKS> cryptodan: ah. right :)
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2539 [19:11:53] <SerajewelKS> cryptodan: i mean you weren't wrong, i've borked boxes doing similar things. but i've also been doing a lot of these kinds of migrations recently so i have a pretty good idea of what config files i have to update to make boot work. :)
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2541 [19:12:15] <cryptodan> SerajewelKS: there is always that one time lol
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2551 [19:16:05] <GumShoe> My Asus RT-N66u has always had _odd_ hostnames for ip addresses in the clients list. I just changed my recent install from DHCP to static. The N66U identifies my Debian stretch host as 'bsd'
2552 [19:16:17] <GumShoe> :-)
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2566 [19:21:29] <SerajewelKS> cryptodan: each time it happens, i learn something to make it less likely in the future
2567 [19:22:09] <SerajewelKS> and yesterday i learned that 'systemctl daemon-reload' will reload crypttab and regenerate the systemd units responsible for automatically opening encrypted volumes
2568 [19:23:07] <SerajewelKS> i think it also regenerates the .mount units from fstab
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2583 [19:27:01] <klr> Hello, offtopic question, but can anyone recommend a hosting provider in Thailand?
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2585 [19:27:32] <woenx> Hi. Does someone has experience in expanding raid arrays?
2586 [19:27:48] <SerajewelKS> woenx: yes, depending on what "expand" means
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2588 [19:28:07] <woenx> I have a RAID1 array with two disks. They were originally two 750gb disks, but I've replaced (one at a time) by 4TB disks.
2589 [19:28:17] <woenx> however, the partition is obviously 750gb
2590 [19:28:26] <woenx> I've tried several ways to expand them, but I've been unable to
2591 [19:28:38] <woenx> for the record, I'd like to keep the data.
2592 [19:28:44] <SerajewelKS> okay. this is pretty easy. i assume that the disks have 3.25TB of unallocated space?
2593 [19:28:45] <woenx> (and yes, I have a backup)
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2597 [19:29:07] <woenx> yes, I think so
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2600 [19:29:55] <woenx> the raid is in Disk /dev/md0: 750.2 GB,
2601 [19:30:17] <SerajewelKS> ok. for each disk, you need to (1) fail the disk from the array (mdadm --manage /dev/mdX --fail /dev/sdYY), (2) grow the partition (delete the partition and recreate it with the same "start" sector), (3) add the partition back to the array (mdadm --manage /dev/mdX --re-add /dev/sdYY)
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2603 [19:30:25] <SerajewelKS> let me know when you are done with that
2604 [19:30:38] <woenx> which is composed by /dev/sdc and /dev/sdd
2605 [19:30:40] <SerajewelKS> is this the only partition on each disk?
2606 [19:31:11] <woenx> yes, there's only one partition per disk. I think I already tried to fail the disks and grow the partition, but there was some kind of error
2607 [19:31:22] <woenx> oh, and I converted both disks to GPT partition table
2608 [19:31:26] <woenx> (because of the 4TB size)
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2610 [19:31:28] <SerajewelKS> okay. try it again and let me know what the error is.
2611 [19:31:33] <woenx> sure
2612 [19:31:52] <SerajewelKS> you can do it without failing the disk, but mdadm may not notice the capacity change so you'd have to fail/readd after anyway
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2616 [19:32:38] <SerajewelKS> if the re-add fails, obviously stop right there so we don't risk damaging the array
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2618 [19:32:54] <woenx> ok, how exactly would you grow the partition?
2619 [19:33:11] <woenx> btw ( mdadm: set /dev/sdc1 faulty in /dev/md0 )
2620 [19:33:23] <SerajewelKS> oh you probably also have to remove the device
2621 [19:33:31] <SerajewelKS> mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --remove /dev/sdc1
2622 [19:33:36] <SerajewelKS> maybe that's the step you missed last time
2623 [19:33:52] <woenx> mdadm: hot removed /dev/sdc1 from /dev/md0
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2625 [19:34:06] <SerajewelKS> now "fdisk /dev/sdc" and type "p" to print the current table. "d" to delete the partition. "n" to create a new partition. when it asks for the start sector, enter the same "start" value as in the partition table printout.
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2632 [19:34:43] <SerajewelKS> you should be able to mash enter for the rest of the questions. "p" when you get back to the prompt to inspect the new table. make sure the start sector is the same, and the size has increased appropriately.
2633 [19:34:49] <SerajewelKS> finally, "w" to commit the changes to the disk
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2637 [19:35:04] <woenx> fdisk does not work on GPT partitions, it says
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2639 [19:35:13] <SerajewelKS> eh? which debian release are you on?
2640 [19:35:29] <SerajewelKS> i have several stretch machines with GPT and fdisk understands them
2641 [19:35:51] <woenx> Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l
2642 [19:35:55] <greycat> *snort*
2643 [19:35:59] <woenx> there was a warning
2644 [19:36:01] <SerajewelKS> oh damn
2645 [19:36:09] <greycat> Well yeah, you're on an unsupported release....
2646 [19:36:20] <SerajewelKS> i guess we're going to try parted then :)
2647 [19:36:32] <SerajewelKS> so "parted /dev/sdc" and if you don't have parted, "apt-get install parted"
2648 [19:36:37] <woenx> oh, I forgot to mention.... it's a custom kernel
2649 [19:36:44] <woenx> because I use OpenVX
2650 [19:36:45] <greycat> that part doesn't matter
2651 [19:36:48] <woenx> OpenVZ sorry
2652 [19:37:01] <blackflow> the plot of awfulness thickens!
2653 [19:37:02] <woenx> that's why I couldn't upgrade yet
2654 [19:37:06] <woenx> hahaha, I know!
2655 [19:37:12] <SerajewelKS> this stuff should all still work
2656 [19:37:17] <SerajewelKS> get parted open
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2658 [19:37:26] <woenx> my last resort would be deleting everything, creating the partitions again, and restoring a backup
2659 [19:37:32] <woenx> ok done
2660 [19:38:21] <SerajewelKS> woenx: okay, "unit s" so we are working in sectors. then "print" to display your table.
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2662 [19:38:44] <woenx> it's printing the boot hard drive, wait
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2664 [19:38:49] <SerajewelKS> parted has "resizepart" but i've heard of it doing not good things in older versions (possibly the version you are on) so we're not going to do it that way
2665 [19:38:51] <woenx> I think I have to change the device
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2667 [19:39:04] <SerajewelKS> did you launch it "parted /dev/sdc"?
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2669 [19:39:19] <woenx> ok
2670 [19:39:32] <SerajewelKS> so "unit s" "print"
2671 [19:39:34] <woenx> Warning: /dev/sdc contains GPT signatures, indicating that it has a GPT table. However, it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table, as it should. Perhaps it was corrupted -- possibly by a program that doesn't understand GPT partition tables. Or perhaps you deleted the GPT table, and are now using an msdos partition table. Is this a GPT partition table?
2672 [19:39:40] <woenx> :-S
2673 [19:39:46] <SerajewelKS> so tell it "yes"
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2675 [19:40:05] <SerajewelKS> if "print" shows you the right table, you are fine
2676 [19:40:48] <woenx> Model: ATA WDC WD40EFRX-68N (scsi) Disk /dev/sdc: 7814037168s Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B Partition Table: gpt Number Start End Size File system Name Flags 1 2048s 7814035455s 7814033408s primary
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2678 [19:40:54] <SerajewelKS> !paste
2679 [19:40:55] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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2681 [19:41:08] <woenx> (oops, sorry)
2682 [19:41:15] <SerajewelKS> no worries, i can read it okay this time
2683 [19:41:26] <woenx> sure, I wouldn't paste a whole page of code
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2686 [19:41:36] <SerajewelKS> so "rm 1" to delete the partition
2687 [19:42:00] <woenx> parted: invalid token: 1
2688 [19:42:06] <woenx> Partition number?
2689 [19:42:15] <SerajewelKS> O_o yes that should work...
2690 [19:42:16] <woenx> (I choose 1, right?)
2691 [19:42:22] <SerajewelKS> yes
2692 [19:42:32] <woenx> what else
2693 [19:42:33] <SerajewelKS> you must be on an older parted that doesn't understand arguments or something
2694 [19:42:42] <SerajewelKS> "mkpart"
2695 [19:42:44] <woenx> u_u'
2696 [19:42:47] <SerajewelKS> it should ask you some questions
2697 [19:42:51] <woenx> partition name?
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2699 [19:42:58] <SerajewelKS> but we don't want it to format anything
2700 [19:43:11] <SerajewelKS> so one second
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2702 [19:43:21] <woenx> file system? (it suggests ext2, but I usually use ext4)
2703 [19:43:28] <woenx> ok, I wait
2704 [19:43:40] <SerajewelKS> we don't want any filesystem or it will mkfs i think, destroying the raid volume
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2710 [19:45:29] <SerajewelKS> okay back out of this command (ctrl+d)
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2712 [19:45:46] <woenx> done
2713 [19:45:51] <SerajewelKS> try this: mkpart primary 2048s 100%
2714 [19:46:00] <woenx> inside of parted, right?
2715 [19:46:03] <SerajewelKS> yes
2716 [19:46:20] <woenx> ok, done, (there was no output to this command)
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2721 [19:46:39] <SerajewelKS> "print"
2722 [19:46:50] <woenx> Number Start End Size File system Name Flags 1 2048s 7814035455s 7814033408s primary
2723 [19:46:57] <woenx> Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B Partition Table: gpt
2724 [19:47:06] <SerajewelKS> uhm that's the same dimensions as before
2725 [19:47:08] <woenx> (it doesn't complain anymore about the partition table)
2726 [19:47:13] <SerajewelKS> looks like the partition was already 4TB?
2727 [19:47:17] <SerajewelKS> "quit"
2728 [19:47:25] <SerajewelKS> if it asks you about saving changes, say "no"
2729 [19:47:30] <woenx> it didn't ask
2730 [19:47:33] <SerajewelKS> ok
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2733 [19:47:40] <SerajewelKS> mdadm --detail /dev/mdN
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2736 [19:48:33] <SerajewelKS> i should have verified the partition sizes first. it looks like the partitions are 4TB already. you just need to tell the array that it can expand into that space.
2737 [19:48:52] <woenx> rray Size : 732571904 (698.64 GiB 750.15 GB)
2738 [19:49:10] <woenx> aha
2739 [19:49:15] <SerajewelKS> okay so put the other device back
2740 [19:49:23] <SerajewelKS> mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --re-add /dev/sdc1
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2742 [19:49:40] <SerajewelKS> monitor the --detail command until it finishes resyncing
2743 [19:49:41] <woenx> mdadm: /dev/sdc1 is larger than /dev/md0 can effectively use. Add --force is you really want to add this device.
2744 [19:49:52] <SerajewelKS> add --force :)
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2746 [19:50:03] <woenx> (it will take about 3 hours to resync, I know from experience)
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2748 [19:50:14] <woenx> "Adding anyway as --force was given."
2749 [19:50:21] <SerajewelKS> it shouldn't if you have a write-intent bitmap
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2751 [19:50:46] <SerajewelKS> since sdc1 was part of the array before, it will resync only the chunks that have been changed on the other array device
2752 [19:50:48] <woenx> mmm
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2754 [19:50:59] <woenx> only sdd1 is in the raid
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2756 [19:51:09] <woenx> md0 : active raid1 sdd1[0] 732571904 blocks [2/1] [U_]
2757 [19:51:16] <SerajewelKS> what's the full --detail output?
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2759 [19:51:19] <woenx> unused devices: <none>
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2763 [19:52:18] <woenx> no, it's not in the raid.
2764 [19:52:21] <woenx> Number Major Minor RaidDevice State
2765 [19:52:26] <woenx> 0 8 49 0 active sync /dev/sdd1
2766 [19:52:30] <woenx> 1 0 0 1 removed
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2769 [19:52:42] <SerajewelKS> O_o
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2773 [19:54:25] <SerajewelKS> try: mdadm --manage /dev/sd0 --add /dev/sdc1
2774 [19:54:41] <woenx> sd0 or md0?
2775 [19:54:47] <SerajewelKS> md0 sorry
2776 [19:54:49] <woenx> ok
2777 [19:55:00] <SerajewelKS> maybe check dmesg to see if it says why sdc1 wasn't added
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2779 [19:55:08] <woenx> --force? (because /dev/sdc1 is larger than 7dev7md0 can effectively use...
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2781 [19:55:32] <woenx> on dmesg
2782 [19:55:34] <woenx> md/raid1:md0: Disk failure on sdc1, disabling device.
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2784 [19:55:55] <woenx> replaced-url
2785 [19:56:19] <woenx> (the relevant part is from 5553.713763 onwards)
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2787 [19:57:00] <woenx> oh, now it¡s syncing!
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2790 [19:57:33] <woenx> replaced-url
2791 [19:57:45] <woenx> (it's going to take an hour and a half)
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2793 [19:58:07] <SerajewelKS> woenx: watch cat /proc/mdstat
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2795 [19:58:21] <SerajewelKS> woenx: if there is a write-intent bitmap, the progress should jump ahead
2796 [19:58:49] <woenx> sorry, I'm not familiarized with the write-intent bitmap thing
2797 [19:58:56] <woenx> 3.5% so far
2798 [19:59:10] <woenx> 166 minutes left...
2799 [19:59:13] <SerajewelKS> does --detail say anything about a bitmap?
2800 [20:00:22] <SerajewelKS> woenx: it looks like the error about the disk being too large is that v0.90 superblock format can't support arrays larger than 4TB. so you must be on v0.90 metadata, _and_ the partition must be just slightly larger than 4TB.
2801 [20:00:30] <woenx> replaced-url
2802 [20:00:34] <SerajewelKS> but it should be able to use _most_ of the partition
2803 [20:00:45] <SerajewelKS> alternatively you can upgrade it to use 1.2 metadata
2804 [20:00:45] <woenx> it's possible, I created that array more than 10 years ago
2805 [20:00:55] <SerajewelKS> yeah, there it is on line 3
2806 [20:01:06] <woenx> I'd prefer to upgrade, is it possible without losing data?
2807 [20:01:19] <SerajewelKS> oof, yeah, no intent bitmap so it must do a full sync :(
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2811 [20:02:23] <SerajewelKS> i think you could upgrade from 0.9 to 1.0 but not the others, because 1.1 and 1.2 have different on-disk metadata positions
2812 [20:02:26] <woenx> (how do I "turn on" the intent bitmap for future cases?)
2813 [20:02:41] <woenx> so... delete everything and create a new array?
2814 [20:02:55] <SerajewelKS> is there LVM in the array?
2815 [20:03:03] <woenx> I don't think so...
2816 [20:03:06] <SerajewelKS> you can do some magic with pvmove to do the migration online
2817 [20:03:08] <woenx> it's just a ext4 partition
2818 [20:03:12] <SerajewelKS> sad
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2820 [20:03:45] <SerajewelKS> you can upgrade from 0.9 to 1.0 in-place but the array must be stopped to do it
2821 [20:03:58] <woenx> and 1.0 supports 4TB?
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2824 [20:04:05] <SerajewelKS> 0.9 supports 4TB
2825 [20:04:21] <SerajewelKS> i'm guessing that the partition is a few GBs larger than 4TB so that space will just be unused
2826 [20:04:26] <woenx> that's possible
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2829 [20:04:46] <woenx> and can i benefit from upgrading to 1.0 then?
2830 [20:04:58] <SerajewelKS> possibly. not sure it would be worth the effort.
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2832 [20:05:09] <woenx> then it's fine, I think i'll just recover from a backup
2833 [20:05:15] <SerajewelKS> you can try turning on the bitmap with: mdadm --grow --bitmap=internal /dev/md0
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2836 [20:05:33] <SerajewelKS> obviously this won't help this resync, but could help the next
2837 [20:05:37] <woenx> "mdadm: Cannot add bitmap while array is resyncing or reshaping etc." (makes sense)
2838 [20:05:44] <SerajewelKS> ah. yeah so do that after.
2839 [20:05:46] <woenx> so, what would be the best course of action now?
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2841 [20:06:02] <woenx> if I were to create new partitions and everything
2842 [20:06:05] <SerajewelKS> if you don't have a pressing need to switch off of 0.9 then don't worry about it. you can still have it use most of the space.
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2844 [20:06:19] <woenx> aha
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2846 [20:06:23] <SerajewelKS> mdadm --grow --size=max /dev/md0 (probably have to wait until after the resync for this too)
2847 [20:06:40] <woenx> yep, it tells me to wait
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2849 [20:06:55] <SerajewelKS> so run those two commands after the resync
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2851 [20:07:05] <SerajewelKS> then you should just have to "resize2fs /dev/md0" to grow the filesystem
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2854 [20:07:57] <SerajewelKS> i think the --re-add probably failed because of the lack of an intent bitmap
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2856 [20:08:13] <SerajewelKS> --re-add specifically requests a partial resync of a prior array member that was removed
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2859 [20:08:45] <SerajewelKS> or the system didn't think it belonged to the array anymore
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2863 [20:09:02] <nix_bot> hello. can I use both xscreensaver and i3lock?
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2869 [20:11:13] <nkuttler> nix_bot: sure you can. does it make sense though?
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2873 [20:12:07] <woenx> Well, I'll wait
2874 [20:12:23] <SerajewelKS> woenx: i'll be here most of the day
2875 [20:12:30] <woenx> Thanks
2876 [20:12:35] <SerajewelKS> np
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2886 [20:17:09] <nix_bot> nkuttler: i want to have i3lock as my main screen lock and xscreensaver when the computer is idle
2887 [20:17:27] <nix_bot> how does one go about accomplishing this?
2888 [20:17:55] <nix_bot> meaning that I still want xscreensaver to keep running in the background
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2904 [20:22:05] <nkuttler> nix_bot: have xscreensaver kill i3lock when it starts? just guessing here..
2905 [20:22:25] <nkuttler> there might also be some mechanism that prevents two screen lockers from starting, no idea
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2907 [20:23:22] <nix_bot> nkuttler: what do you mean? I just want xscreensaver running while having i3lock as my primary screenlock
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2909 [20:23:34] <nix_bot> I'm just not too sure how this is achieved in LXDE or XFCE
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2911 [20:24:14] <nkuttler> i don't really understand what you're trying to accomplish
2912 [20:24:37] <nkuttler> what would i3lock do at all in your scenario, besides run?
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2922 [20:29:24] <SerajewelKS> nix_bot: why can't you use one or the other?
2923 [20:29:50] <nix_bot> SerajewelKS: greed I guess. is it even possible?
2924 [20:30:27] <SerajewelKS> probably, though i wouldn't say it's practical or useful.
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2931 [20:33:16] <nkuttler> nix_bot: again, what do you expect to happen, except for two processes running at the same time?
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2936 [20:35:16] <JordiGH> My boss just said that my Debian installation on my laptop counts as "server technology" because Debian is an operating system for servers. >_>
2937 [20:35:18] <JordiGH> <_<
2938 [20:35:27] <nix_bot> nkuttler: yes?
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2940 [20:36:13] <nkuttler> JordiGH: that means the company pays for the laptop, right?
2941 [20:36:35] <nkuttler> !xy
2942 [20:36:35] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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2946 [20:37:25] <SerajewelKS> JordiGH: that's pretty funny considering that debian is "the universal operating system" so debian itself disagrees
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2949 [20:38:26] <JordiGH> I think I still have stickers that say "El Sistema Operativo Universal".
2950 [20:38:34] <nkuttler> what if my smartphone identifies as server?
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2953 [20:39:03] <JordiGH> nkuttler: That's what killed p2p chat.
2954 [20:39:14] <JordiGH> Phones that tried to be servers.
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2960 [20:41:58] <holycow> hi all
2961 [20:42:15] <holycow> anyone here use qemu / libvirt / virt-manager?
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2963 [20:42:45] <JordiGH> Probably.
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2965 [20:42:50] <holycow> i am wondering how, on a guest that has multiple gpus via passthrough do i set one up as a default?
2966 [20:43:22] <holycow> i can get the gpu drivers installed but the vms keep on booting to vga or whatever the default video driver might be and not use gpus
2967 [20:43:25] <holycow> hi JordiGH
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2969 [20:44:06] <JordiGH> Hey, what's happening? I don't use qemu/libvirt/virt-manager, or at least not directly. I think virtualbox might use it.
2970 [20:44:50] <Tom-_> haven't tried GPU passthrough on qemu yet, don't know
2971 [20:44:54] <holycow> vbox doesn't use qemu/kvm/libvirt. vbox can do passthrough
2972 [20:45:35] <holycow> i'm really trying to get qemu working so i can use the spice client to get a remote desktop
2973 [20:46:07] <JordiGH> libvirt apparently supports virtualbox.
2974 [20:46:21] <holycow> it does? interesting.
2975 [20:47:07] <JordiGH> Well, that's what its Debian package says.
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3006 [21:09:38] <friendofafriend> holycow: You have to manually edit the config file.
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3008 [21:14:31] <holycow> oh!
3009 [21:15:18] <holycow> i have been sticking with virt-manager just to keep things a bit simple and not to mess up the xml
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3011 [21:15:26] <holycow> okay, i will google that then. thanks for the confirmation
3012 [21:15:53] <friendofafriend> Very welcome, you actually have to remove the VGA adapter.
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3015 [21:16:52] <holycow> perfect. that confirms my suspicions as well.
3016 [21:17:01] <friendofafriend> Also, there's been lots of improvement in IOMMU during the 4.x release cycle, so make sure you've got a new kernel.
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3020 [21:17:59] <holycow> i am on latest stable, i will research into that as well. writing everything down.
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3023 [21:19:34] <uio1> Okay ! The tortured machine is back!
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3027 [21:20:23] <friendofafriend> holycow: You may find this information useful. replaced-url
3028 [21:20:44] <friendofafriend> A lot of what's out there about GPU passthrough is old and disjointed. Some of it's just daffy.
3029 [21:22:32] <holycow> heh
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3031 [21:23:07] <holycow> once i get a baseline gpu passhthrough working i will be reinstalling the base os. i think i have done quite a bit of damage based on online suggestions
3032 [21:23:37] <holycow> out of all of the things that i have googled, i have never found that github repo of instructions
3033 [21:23:40] <holycow> wow
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3035 [21:24:58] <friendofafriend> I found mostly blog posts first, and they were usually rather old.
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3038 [21:26:19] <friendofafriend> Also, GPU passthrough works best to a Linux guest. It can be hard to troubleshoot with a Windows guest, and there are problems from build to build with passthrough.
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3040 [21:26:39] <holycow> really?
3041 [21:27:06] <holycow> kind of makes sense though, especially with amd open source drivers
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3044 [21:28:00] <holycow> friendofafriend: you wouldn't happen to remember the name of that project someone started fairly recently that attempted to access video ram of vm guests on local hosts to get a remote desktop client working?
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3047 [21:28:28] <holycow> i am curious if that person managed to make any headway with that idea as well
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3055 [21:29:50] <otyugh> heya
3056 [21:29:58] <friendofafriend> Hi, otyugh.
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3059 [21:30:38] <friendofafriend> holycow: Haven't heard of that. I usually use SPICE or Moonlight.
3060 [21:31:06] <holycow> do you game with spice? any thoughts on performance? i'm not too picky, just curious
3061 [21:31:24] <otyugh> I'm wondering, how to "force" a "apt update" on first boot ? I found a few software that does it every now and then - but not "at first boot" when the /var/lib/apt/lists is empty :/
3062 [21:31:44] <greycat> Why only the first boot?
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3065 [21:32:20] <greycat> And why is your lists file empty? Are you installing without a network, or am I just ignorant of this one detail?
3066 [21:32:21] <otyugh> Because juste after installation, when done without internet connexion, there is no "software list" available, and it's hard to understand for beginers
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3068 [21:32:34] <otyugh> greycat, exact.
3069 [21:32:39] <greycat> See, installing without a network is ... crazy.
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3071 [21:32:41] <holycow> friendofafriend: that github link is amazing. the most thorough instructions i have seen yet.
3072 [21:32:49] <friendofafriend> holycow: I wouldn't think gaming by SPICE would be fluid at all. It sure beats VNC. You'd probably be better off with Moonlight, but that needs an NVIDIA GPU.
3073 [21:32:59] <greycat> The installer assumes that you won't ever have a network so it doesn't set anything up correctly.
3074 [21:33:05] <otyugh> greycat, there is not always internet available where we install party
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3076 [21:33:23] <otyugh> Or too degraded to be usable
3077 [21:33:34] <holycow> friendofafriend: okay cool. good to know.
3078 [21:33:43] <greycat> You're left without even a commented-out proper sources.list. You have to come here and ask the bot what should be in there.
3079 [21:33:52] <friendofafriend> otyugh: I add an entry in my router's hosts file for a local server hosting the repo.
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3083 [21:35:03] <greycat> So, simply running "apt update" on first boot wouldn't even work, until the sources.list is repaired, until /etc/network/interfaces is repaired, etc.
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3086 [21:35:43] <friendofafriend> No Internet, but you've got a LAN, right?
3087 [21:36:06] <otyugh> I'm always thinking of the worst case scenario
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3089 [21:36:11] <otyugh> to not end up with "nothing"
3090 [21:36:12] <greycat> Oh, hmm, having a DHCP server on the LAN might cause /e/n/i to be usable.
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3093 [21:36:32] <greycat> Still, I think sources.list would be rubbish.
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3095 [21:36:56] <friendofafriend> You could just add a local server hosts the parts of the repo you need to /etc/hosts on the machine.
3096 [21:37:04] <otyugh> greycat, well I do workaround this thing with preseed with no problem.
3097 [21:37:07] <friendofafriend> Or you could add it to /etc/hosts wherever your DNS server runs.
3098 [21:37:08] <otyugh> hence my actual question
3099 [21:37:21] <greycat> Then put an @reboot cron job in there as well.
3100 [21:37:34] <greycat> Or put the command in /etc/rc.local
3101 [21:37:46] <otyugh> @Reboot works but, this is funny, not at first boot after install
3102 [21:37:51] <otyugh> the second only. It's weird.
3103 [21:38:01] <otyugh> Maybe... Cron have to get updated. Hey.
3104 [21:38:03] <greycat> The shell script that you run via @reboot or rc.local can remove itself.
3105 [21:38:21] <greycat> "apt-get update && rm /etc/rc.local" or some such
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3109 [21:39:47] <otyugh> I did used @reboot, but maybe /etc/rc.local is even easier to manage :) - I know it's ugly solution, but it will do. Thanks.
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3111 [21:39:59] <greycat> Of course you'd still need to mark the interfaces as auto (not allow-hotplug) in /e/n/i in order for rc.local to wait for them before running.
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3113 [21:40:33] <otyugh> or make a loop to wait for network before doing the actual apt update
3114 [21:40:38] <otyugh> I did that.
3115 [21:40:40] <greycat> I don't think cron even waits for the network at all. I don't see it in the service file.
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3118 [21:40:51] <greycat> rc-local does.
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3121 [21:41:42] <otyugh> great. This will do.
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3133 [21:49:55] <otyugh> Unrelated GUI question - is there something "friendly" as gnome-software around to install new "end-user" software (you know with big sexy icones and no library or curse apps) or is there not ?
3134 [21:50:04] <otyugh> (stretch)
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3142 [21:57:00] <friendofafriend> otyugh: gnome-app-install?
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3144 [21:57:57] <OerHeks> synaptic, detailed softwarecenter without the blup
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3146 [21:58:10] <otyugh> the blup ?
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3148 [21:59:00] <friendofafriend> I would imagine "gnome-software" is probably what you're looking for?
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3153 [21:59:35] <friendofafriend> Pretty, clicky, friendly. Sort of advertises apps at you.
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3155 [22:00:13] <woenx> SerajewelKS: both drives area already in sync :)
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3158 [22:00:53] <otyugh> I know, but... I don't like it (it's a "duplicate" to the gnome update notifier icon). Althought if let no choice, I'll pick it.
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3162 [22:02:29] <otyugh> heee. nevermind about the "duplicate" thing, I'm mixing things up :p
3163 [22:03:16] <woenx> SerajewelKS: when I ran mdadm --grow --size=max /dev/md0, I got "mdadm: component size of /dev/md0 unchanged at 732571904K"
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3170 [22:05:55] <holycow> thx friendofafriend, appreciate the help.
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3198 [22:19:15] <SerajewelKS> woenx: hmm. what's the size of the sdd partition?
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3201 [22:19:28] <SerajewelKS> woenx: can you run parted on both sdc and sdd, and "print" both?
3202 [22:19:41] <woenx> SerajewelKS: sure, just 1 sec
3203 [22:19:46] <SerajewelKS> woenx: did the command to add the bitmap work?
3204 [22:19:53] <SerajewelKS> does --detail show the presence of a bitmap?
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3207 [22:20:54] <woenx> there you go replaced-url
3208 [22:21:04] <DammitJim> do you guys know what I might be missing? I am trying to install debian 9 on a machine that already has windows 10
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3210 [22:21:08] <woenx> yes, it didn't complain when I added the bitmap
3211 [22:21:16] <SerajewelKS> woenx: aha so sdd has the wrong size partition
3212 [22:21:25] <DammitJim> thie uefi stuff I'm not understanding; however, I get to the point where I install debian and it wants to set up grob
3213 [22:21:27] <DammitJim> grub*
3214 [22:21:34] <DammitJim> and it can't install grub (doesn't tell me why)
3215 [22:21:36] <SerajewelKS> woenx: can you confirm --detail shows the bitmap before we proceed?
3216 [22:21:37] <woenx> Intent Bitmap : Internal -> yup
3217 [22:21:42] <SerajewelKS> sweet
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3220 [22:22:35] <SerajewelKS> woenx: let's fail and remove sdd1 then and resize it. mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --fail /dev/sdd1
3221 [22:22:40] <SerajewelKS> woenx: then again with --remove instead of --fail
3222 [22:22:48] <woenx> ok
3223 [22:22:50] <SerajewelKS> then --detail should show only sdc1
3224 [22:23:04] <SerajewelKS> wait hang on
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3226 [22:23:11] <SerajewelKS> Disk /dev/sdd1: 750GB
3227 [22:23:30] <SerajewelKS> oh wait dude
3228 [22:23:37] <SerajewelKS> parted on the disk, not the partition
3229 [22:23:44] <SerajewelKS> parted /dev/sdd and parted /dev/sdc
3230 [22:23:58] <woenx> oh
3231 [22:24:10] <woenx> I already marked sdd1 as faulty
3232 [22:24:14] <SerajewelKS> i mean i'm assuming that sdd is also 4TB but here it doesn't say that because you ran on the partition
3233 [22:24:17] <SerajewelKS> that's fine
3234 [22:24:19] <woenx> (/havn't removed it yet)
3235 [22:24:29] <woenx> wait, i'll run parted again
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3238 [22:25:47] <woenx> replaced-url
3239 [22:26:37] <SerajewelKS> the fuck
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3241 [22:26:40] <SerajewelKS> now it shows the partition 4TB
3242 [22:27:10] <woenx> I know
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3247 [22:27:24] <woenx> maybe because i marked it as failed, and now it doesn't belong to the raid anymore?
3248 [22:27:31] <SerajewelKS> no that wouldn't change the partition table
3249 [22:28:04] <woenx> if I gparted the partitions, it also shows 4tb in both
3250 [22:28:23] <woenx> so something happened when I removed the partition from the array...
3251 [22:28:27] <SerajewelKS> aha it's because the metadata is 0.9. more precisely, it's because the superblock is stored at the end of the partition.
3252 [22:28:32] <woenx> xfiles.mp3
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3254 [22:28:59] <SerajewelKS> so the solution here has to be to zero the superblock
3255 [22:29:11] <woenx> aha
3256 [22:29:12] <SerajewelKS> then re-add the device, which will do a full resync. then we have to do it again on the other disk :/
3257 [22:29:15] <woenx> (what's a superblock?)
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3259 [22:29:36] <SerajewelKS> it's where dmraid stores information about the device. what array it belongs to, what raid level, what other disks are in the array, etc.
3260 [22:29:43] <woenx> ok
3261 [22:29:55] <SerajewelKS> i'm kind of surprised that it's finding the superblock in the _middle_ of a 4TB partition
3262 [22:30:01] <SerajewelKS> unless you have an mdadm.conf
3263 [22:30:04] <woenx> how do you know it's in the middle?
3264 [22:30:19] <SerajewelKS> because it has to be. the device is being reported as 750GB long but it's 4TB.
3265 [22:30:28] <SerajewelKS> that means the superblock has to be at the end of the 750GB region
3266 [22:30:32] <woenx> i never modified mdadm.conf manually
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3271 [22:31:18] <woenx> so what's the next step?
3272 [22:31:24] <uio> How can I get a low battery alert on LXDE. It just drops below 10% and shuts down (this is an area where Lubuntu is better...)
3273 [22:31:27] <woenx> when you said full resync, you mean the long one?
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3276 [22:32:02] <SerajewelKS> woenx: yes
3277 [22:32:14] <SerajewelKS> because we have to destroy the metadata that says what was synced
3278 [22:32:32] <SerajewelKS> woenx: remove the disk (mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --remove /dev/sdd1)
3279 [22:32:38] <woenx> it's fine, i have time
3280 [22:32:40] <SerajewelKS> woenx: now what's the output of: mdadm --examine /dev/sdd1
3281 [22:33:15] <woenx> replaced-url
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3283 [22:33:40] <SerajewelKS> does --detail on the raid show that sdd1 is gone from the array?
3284 [22:34:07] <SerajewelKS> i just have no idea how it's able to quickly locate the superblock in the _middle_ of the disk
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3286 [22:34:14] <woenx> yep
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3288 [22:34:19] <woenx> "faulty spare /dev/sdd1"
3289 [22:34:27] <woenx> State: clean, degraded
3290 [22:34:31] <SerajewelKS> if it says spare then it's not removed
3291 [22:34:40] <woenx> no, I only marked it as faulty
3292 [22:34:41] <SerajewelKS> did you run --remove?
3293 [22:34:44] <SerajewelKS> oh. remove it first.
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3295 [22:34:45] <woenx> no, not yet
3296 [22:34:46] <woenx> ok
3297 [22:34:54] <SerajewelKS> then run --examine on sdd1 and --detail on md0
3298 [22:35:11] <SerajewelKS> and i'm also curious about "fdisk -s /dev/sdd1" and "fdisk -s /dev/sdc1"
3299 [22:35:13] <woenx> mdadm: hot removed /dev/sdd1 from /dev/md0
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3304 [22:35:44] <uio> Are notifications even available in LXDE?
3305 [22:35:50] <uio> With Debian?
3306 [22:35:54] <woenx> replaced-url
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3309 [22:36:07] <uio> Like volume notifs are not working either...
3310 [22:36:21] <uio> Can I somehow use xfce4-battery-plugin
3311 [22:36:22] <uio> ?
3312 [22:36:42] <SerajewelKS> woenx: how about the fdisk -s lines
3313 [22:37:22] <woenx> :~# fdisk -s /dev/sdc1 3907016704
3314 [22:37:26] <woenx> ~# fdisk -s /dev/sdd1 732572001
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3316 [22:37:41] <SerajewelKS> ohhhh... what!?
3317 [22:37:55] <SerajewelKS> okay so that's how it can find the metadata, and that's why --re-add didn't work!
3318 [22:37:55] <InvisibleRasta> heya guys is there a guide to get a full stable system running with the debootstrap method
3319 [22:38:03] <InvisibleRasta> i will be using debootstrap from archlinux
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3321 [22:38:15] <SerajewelKS> woenx: somehow you managed to resize the partitions, but the kernel is still internally using the old partition layout in memory. so it thinks sdd1 is 750GB.
3322 [22:38:24] <woenx> SerajewelKS: weird
3323 [22:38:25] <InvisibleRasta> only thing i foudn is this replaced-url
3324 [22:38:48] <SerajewelKS> woenx: so when we removed sdc1 and "resized" the partition (even though we didn't change the size) that kicked the kernel enough to reload the table. then when you added it back, it couldn't find the metadata because it was in the middle (not the end) of the disk.
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3326 [22:39:11] <woenx> I'd have never guessed that
3327 [22:39:12] <SerajewelKS> hence --re-add failed
3328 [22:39:22] <uio> Is this really complicated?
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3330 [22:39:27] <SerajewelKS> woenx: can you run partprobe? then run file -s /dev/sdd1 again
3331 [22:39:37] <SerajewelKS> this should have the kernel reload the partition table
3332 [22:39:51] <uio> It doesn't look there there is anything useful in the repos for this....
3333 [22:39:52] <woenx> partprobe gives an error
3334 [22:40:01] <SerajewelKS> which?
3335 [22:40:08] <woenx> replaced-url
3336 [22:40:32] <SerajewelKS> ah so partprobe uses parted under the hood, interesting. disregard this for now. what does "file -s /dev/sdd1" say?
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3338 [22:40:39] <woenx> btw :~# fdisk -s /dev/sdd1 3907016704
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3340 [22:40:44] <SerajewelKS> perfect
3341 [22:40:48] <SerajewelKS> mdadm --examine /dev/sdd1
3342 [22:40:49] <woenx> yep
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3345 [22:41:05] <woenx> mdadm --examine /dev/sdd1 mdadm: No md superblock detected on /dev/sdd1.
3346 [22:41:09] <SerajewelKS> perfect
3347 [22:41:17] <SerajewelKS> okay first let's grow the array so it can resync all of it at once
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3349 [22:41:28] <SerajewelKS> mdadm --grow --size=max /dev/md0
3350 [22:41:50] <woenx> :~# mdadm --grow --size=max /dev/md0 mdadm: component size of /dev/md0 has been set to 3907016640K
3351 [22:41:55] <SerajewelKS> awesome
3352 [22:42:05] <SerajewelKS> now add sdd1 back. mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdd1
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3354 [22:42:08] <woenx> now we're making progress :)
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3356 [22:42:15] <SerajewelKS> you should see it resyncing 4TB
3357 [22:42:20] <twobitsprite> I'm running Buster, installed about 8 months ago, and just did an apt dist-upgrade, and now I can't ssh to any host. Putty works, so I'm 99% sure it's something with openssh itself. Just exits almost immediately with "broken pipe". Commented everything out of ~/.ssh/config. verbose output: replaced-url
3358 [22:42:29] <twobitsprite> Any help would be appreciated.
3359 [22:42:29] <woenx> mdadm: /dev/sdd1 is larger than /dev/md0 can effectively use. Add --force is you really want to add this device.
3360 [22:42:32] <woenx> force?
3361 [22:42:35] <SerajewelKS> yep
3362 [22:42:46] <woenx> added /dev/sdd1
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3364 [22:43:02] <SerajewelKS> mdstat should indicate ~4TB pending rebuild
3365 [22:43:21] <twobitsprite> Interestingly, I can ssh to localhost just fine.
3366 [22:43:25] <woenx> oh yeah!!
3367 [22:43:31] <SerajewelKS> sweet
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3369 [22:43:37] <SerajewelKS> now just: resize2fs /dev/md0
3370 [22:43:37] <woenx> [>....................] recovery = 0.1% (3911040/3907016640) finish=595.3min speed=109265K/sec
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3372 [22:43:53] <SerajewelKS> then "df -h /dev/md0" should report the volume capacity is ~4TB
3373 [22:43:58] <woenx> 10 hours -_-
3374 [22:44:27] <woenx> mmmm
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3377 [22:45:07] <woenx> root@Box:~# df -h | grep md0 /dev/md0 688G 608G 46G 94% /mnt/md0
3378 [22:45:11] <woenx> what's going on?
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3380 [22:45:22] <woenx> maybe I have to umount it first?
3381 [22:45:23] <SerajewelKS> did you run the resize2fs line?
3382 [22:45:29] <woenx> no
3383 [22:45:31] <SerajewelKS> 21:43 < SerajewelKS> now just: resize2fs /dev/md0
3384 [22:45:33] <SerajewelKS> :)
3385 [22:45:34] <woenx> well, not recently
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3387 [22:46:01] <woenx> ok, it's doing its thing...
3388 [22:46:08] <SerajewelKS> shouldn't take too long
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3392 [22:46:32] <woenx> old_desc_blocks = 44, new_desc_blocks = 233
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3394 [22:46:37] <woenx> Performing an on-line resize of /dev/md0 to 976754160 (4k) blocks.
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3404 [22:49:46] <SerajewelKS> woenx: you're lucky you didn't have to reboot
3405 [22:50:04] <SerajewelKS> if you had, the array would not have assembled because the kernel wouldn't have been able to find the raid superblock
3406 [22:50:11] <woenx> oh
3407 [22:50:17] <woenx> well, the operating system isn't on that drive
3408 [22:50:24] <SerajewelKS> even still
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3410 [22:50:36] <woenx> yep
3411 [22:50:51] <SerajewelKS> you'd have manually had to locate the dmraid superblock and either shrink the partitions, or setup some loop devices at the right size
3412 [22:51:04] <SerajewelKS> and then perform the migration we're doing now
3413 [22:51:28] <SerajewelKS> 1.2 stores the superblock at the beginning of the device, which means you don't have to do this full resync garbage
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3415 [22:51:41] <woenx> i'd have formatted everything by then, xD
3416 [22:51:51] <SerajewelKS> you fail+remove the partition, resize the partition, then re-add it. dmraid realizes that the partition is bigger now.
3417 [22:52:10] <SerajewelKS> once you do that to both, the --grow=max thing works and it does a rebuild _only_ of the new region (750GB - 4TB)
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3419 [22:53:00] <woenx> aha
3420 [22:53:13] <SerajewelKS> i'd have to test to see what the overhead of 1.2 vs 0.9 is. if the overhead of 1.2 is <= that of 0.9 then you can migrate the volume to 1.2 metadata using dd to copy the raw data. it does require unmounting the volume.
3421 [22:53:36] <SerajewelKS> restoring from a backup onto a new volume would probably be faster than that though
3422 [22:53:52] <SerajewelKS> but you don't have to worry about that too much until you need to grow beyond 4TB
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3424 [22:54:06] <SerajewelKS> i'd consider upgrading from debian 7 more urgent :)
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3430 [22:56:42] <woenx> yep, but it's a host machine for a few virtual machines
3431 [22:56:47] <woenx> so I have to be careful
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3433 [22:57:30] <SerajewelKS> yeah
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3435 [22:57:41] <SerajewelKS> though the guests should be reasonably isolated so as not to care much about the host
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3437 [22:58:13] <woenx> oh, with df -h i can see the partition growing in real time, cool
3438 [22:58:34] <woenx> 947gb so far
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3440 [22:59:17] <SerajewelKS> nice
3441 [22:59:24] <SerajewelKS> i thought that was an atomic adjustment
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3443 [22:59:34] <woenx> nah, it grows gradually...
3444 [22:59:53] <woenx> watch -n1 'df -h | grep md0' and it's like watching paint dry
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3446 [23:00:08] <SerajewelKS> you know df will take a mountpoint :)
3447 [23:00:13] <SerajewelKS> watch -n1 df -h /mnt/md0
3448 [23:00:18] <woenx> oh, I had no idea
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3450 [23:00:42] <woenx> cool
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3452 [23:01:10] <woenx> ~3secongs per GB
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3454 [23:01:33] <woenx> so around 150 minutes left
3455 [23:01:56] <woenx> dammit, if I had known, I'd have run that command within a screen
3456 [23:02:03] <woenx> can I can't close the terminal windows, right?
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3458 [23:03:00] <SerajewelKS> i'm not 100% sure but i think online resizing involves asking the kernel to do it
3459 [23:03:20] <SerajewelKS> which means resize2fs isn't actually doing anything but waiting for the kernel to report success, so it should(?) be safe to kill
3460 [23:03:25] <SerajewelKS> but i have not personally tried it
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3468 [23:04:57] <SerajewelKS> maybe someone else here knows
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3470 [23:05:21] <SerajewelKS> you could check top to see how much I/O resize2fs is doing
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3475 [23:07:17] <woenx> I'm not familiar with top, 'I'm more of a htop guy
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3478 [23:08:05] <woenx> replaced-url
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3480 [23:08:51] <qman__> You can use reptyr to move the process into a screen
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3491 [23:11:46] <woenx> installing reptyr
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3493 [23:12:04] <woenx> replaced-url
3494 [23:12:34] <SerajewelKS> woenx: yeah i'd expect high iowait but we don't know from that shot if it's resize2fs doing the waiting or the kernel
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3498 [23:13:13] <woenx> yes, I'm pretty sure it's that, there's nothing substantial running at the moment
3499 [23:13:16] <SerajewelKS> you could also just nohup it
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3501 [23:13:28] <SerajewelKS> woenx: yes but the question is whether the resize2fs process or the kernel is doing the I/O
3502 [23:13:38] <woenx> ah, ok ok
3503 [23:13:38] <SerajewelKS> if the kernel is then the kernel is probably managing the process, and it's safe to kill resize2fs
3504 [23:13:40] <woenx> no idea then
3505 [23:13:42] <qman__> nohup only works if you think of it first
3506 [23:13:53] <qman__> That's what reptyr is for
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3511 [23:15:27] <woenx> done, resize2fs already in a screen
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3517 [23:22:48] <woenx> Well, there is no reason it shouldn't work now
3518 [23:23:08] <woenx> I think I'll turn off the computer, it's late already (23:23 here)
3519 [23:23:23] <SerajewelKS> 'night
3520 [23:23:29] <SerajewelKS> hope everything works in the morning
3521 [23:23:37] <SerajewelKS> (don't see why it wouldn't)
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3526 [23:26:14] <woenx> thank you for everything, SerajewelKS
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3529 [23:27:23] <SerajewelKS> woenx: np. happy to help.
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3544 [23:38:45] <uio> Any ideas for low battery alert in LXDE??
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3546 [23:39:05] <karlpinc> uio: No, but
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3548 [23:39:07] <karlpinc> !search
3549 [23:39:08] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See replaced-url
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3551 [23:39:48] <karlpinc> uio: I find debtags particularly helpful.
3552 [23:39:52] <uio> karlpinc, !alreadydoingso
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3555 [23:41:37] <uio> karlpinc, Internet is either telling me to do a bash script or add PPAs. Not a fan of either. One is too complicated for my liking, and one is a security issue. Is there really no simple battery alert in the Deb repos for LXDE? What do people do? Just let their laptop suddenly shut off??
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3573 [23:50:39] <karlpinc> uio: I don't know. I don't have an issue. In general, I install "something" and it installs whatever pieces of other desktops are required and then it "just works" in whatever desktop I happen to be running. What I'm saying is that maybe you don't need something lxde specific.
3574 [23:52:00] <karlpinc> uio: The arch people always seem to come up with something useful. Did you try this? replaced-url
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3578 [23:54:35] <AK_> I always execute a terminal in scratchpad (hidden) in i3. and bind it to super+i. but it remains opened only if I don't kill or say execute bye/exit in it. so I wanna write something like if the terminal is there, it should show it, or if its killed, it should execute a new one.
3579 [23:54:48] <ussie> anybody has knowledle to help me with iptables?
3580 [23:55:10] <SerajewelKS> !anyone
3581 [23:55:10] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
3582 [23:55:20] <AK_> its rxvt. so if I use pgrep, there are multiple other instances also opened. so I can't use this way.
3583 [23:56:04] <AK_> oh yeah, I also have to execute that terminal with a title myKitten.
3584 [23:56:18] <AK_> so is there a way
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3587 [23:57:32] <ussie> ok, so I am learning iptables and i want to ry something new. I am trying to drop everything what is outgoing but allow only one user. So i set default outgoing policy to drop, and added allow rule for user for all devices. but traffic is blocked.
3588 [23:57:41] <SerajewelKS> AK_: have the hotkey invoke a script, which stores its own pid in a file, then starts the terminal. and traps exit to remove the pidfile. then at the top of the script, you check for the presence of the pidfile. if it's there and a process exists (/proc/$pid) then the terminal is open already.
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3590 [23:57:57] <ussie> sorry, i ill write it again - to long text
3591 [23:58:08] <ussie> 1/2 ok, so I am learning iptables and i want to ry something new.
3592 [23:58:10] <karlpinc> !tell ussie about paste
3593 [23:58:14] <ussie> 2/2 I am trying to drop everything what is outgoing but allow only one user. So i set default outgoing policy to drop, and added allow rule for user for all devices. but traffic is blocked.
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3595 [23:58:19] <SerajewelKS> ussie: show us the output of iptables -nvL
3596 [23:58:41] <ussie> i'll pastebin it
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