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• 6[00:01:59] <rant> pyex: df -Th | nc termbin.com 9999
• 7[00:02:00] <johnfg> rant: bummer. I need >7.2 for typo3 CMS 9.5.
• 8[00:02:08] <pyex> rant: root:122gb, home:99gb, total 250gb ssd, but i dont using to root, why its 122gb?
• 9[00:02:13] <rant> ,v php7
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• 11[00:02:14] <judd> No package named 'php7' was found in amd64.
• 12[00:02:21] <rant> ,v php
• 13[00:02:23] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.3+69
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• 15[00:02:51] <rant> ,checkbackport php
• 16[00:02:52] <judd> Backporting package php in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
• 17[00:02:59] <ewew> rant i suspect runnaway log in pyex case.
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• 19[00:03:16] <rant> johnfg: might be a pita but you could attempt to backport php from buster or sid
• 20[00:03:25] <rant> johnfg: you would then also have to maintain it yourself
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• 23[00:03:53] <pyex> rant: replaced-url
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• 25[00:04:13] <pyex> its %100 omg
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• 28[00:04:51] <rant> ewew: possibly
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• 30[00:05:17] <maxrazer> On debian we have to do this to get nvenc to work with obs-studio? replaced-url
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• 32[00:05:27] <ewew> i suggest a du -sh *. my guess is /var/log or data in /home
• 33[00:05:33] <maxrazer> Also, does anyone else use obs-studio, the video seems blurry on debian.
• 34[00:05:34] <pyex> i how i can clean up?
• 35[00:06:05] <rant> pyex: du -h /home tell me the total at the bottom
• 36[00:06:18] <maxrazer> Actually those are ubuntu instructions, so may not work.
• 37[00:06:22] <rant> pyex: then do the same for /var
• 38[00:06:23] <ewew> pyex Did you downloaded or saved huge amount of data ?
• 39[00:06:31] <johnfg> rant: thanks for getting the info to me. Any way to know when stretch will update to =>7.2?
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• 41[00:06:35] <pyex> 93gb
• 42[00:06:40] <rant> johnfg: it wont
• 43[00:06:57] <rant> johnfg: buster will be releasing soon.. perhaps you could just use buster or a buster chroot or something
• 44[00:07:01] <pyex> 93G /home
• 45[00:07:17] <rant> pyex: ok then its not your user that ate it all
• 46[00:07:24] <rant> pyex: check var as well
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• 53[00:07:56] <johnfg> I can wait for sure. when do you think soon is?
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• 55[00:08:10] <pyex> 398M /var
• 56[00:08:18] <rant> hmm.. odd
• 57[00:08:39] <rant> those are the two most common places you'd have space eaten up unknowinly
• 58[00:08:42] <pyex> 115G /root
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• 60[00:08:52] <rant> in /root?
• 61[00:08:58] <rant> not just /
• 62[00:09:06] <pyex> sudo -s du -h /root
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• 64[00:09:10] <rant> thats really NOT good
• 65[00:09:17] <pyex> rant: why?
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• 67[00:09:23] <rant> that's roots homedir.. it should be empty
• 68[00:09:25] <pyex> Whats Up?
• 69[00:09:41] <rant> something was being run as root and putting large amount of data in roots homedir
• 70[00:09:48] <rant> thats not normal at all
• 71[00:10:13] <rant> furthermore whatever actually caused you to run out of space wasnt what did this
• 72[00:10:19] <rant> because you are not actually out of space
• 73[00:10:32] <rant> you just hit the reserve.. root would be able to go past the reserve
• 74[00:10:40] <ewew> rant not working logrotate ?
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• 76[00:10:56] <rant> since when does logrotate put stuff in root's homedir?
• 77[00:10:58] <pyex> with clean program i see /root/.local/share/Trash/files/log.2 122.9GB
• 78[00:10:59] <ewew> im may be if system does not have anacrontab.
• 79[00:11:08] <ewew> rant oops.
• 80[00:11:10] <ewew> sorry
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• 82[00:11:23] <rant> pyex: well try file /root/.local/share/Trash/files/log.2 122.9GB
• 83[00:11:27] <rant> erm
• 84[00:11:35] <rant> file /root/.local/share/Trash/files/log.2
• 85[00:11:46] <rant> assume ASCII text?
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• 87[00:12:02] <hypn0> isn't that the wastebasket
• 88[00:12:17] <rant> the one typically used by freedesktop.org, yes
• 89[00:12:20] <karlpinc> Yes. For a GUI. root should not be running X.
• 90[00:12:25] <pyex> /root/.local/share/Trash/files/log.2: directory
• 91[00:12:30] <rant> @.@
• 92[00:12:38] <abrotman> it's possible that you have a file handle open
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• 94[00:12:59] <rant> pyex: have you been logging in graphically as root?
• 95[00:13:20] <pyex> rant: i used root as one time
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• 97[00:13:56] <rant> pyex: its probably safe to just rm -rf /root/.local/ unless you have reservations or more specifically /root/.local/share/Trash
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• 99[00:14:26] <ewew> pyex do you know that running a GUI as root is potentialy asking for trouble ?
• 100[00:14:37] <rant> because this is a dir typically created and used by freedesktop compliant GUI that use a "Trash" to allow restoring of files.. and its not usually anything important
• 101[00:14:39] <pyex> rant: its true, i logged via root with graphically
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• 104[00:15:26] <rant> pyex: you can also if you want to free up more than the 122.9G do some other things but thats nearly half your drive back by getting rid of that
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• 106[00:15:41] <pyex> ewew: no trouble, but i will never logging via root
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• 108[00:16:16] <pyex> if i delete it, may i logging again without crash?
• 109[00:16:42] <rant> pyex: technically unless YOU KNOW you put something important in /root, you can delete all its contents without any dire consequence
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• 111[00:16:57] <rant> first of all the contents of homedirs are not system critical..
• 112[00:16:57] <pyex> i doing sudo -s rm -rf /root/.local/
• 113[00:17:13] <rant> secondly root is not suppose to have crap in its homedir like normal users do
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• 115[00:18:00] <rant> homedirs are for settings and users personal data
• 116[00:18:08] <rant> root typically has neither on most systems
• 117[00:18:35] <rant> roots settings and data are in more global places like /etc/ and /var/
• 118[00:18:55] <rant> for the things root is suppose to be used for anyhow :P
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• 120[00:20:08] <pyex> rant: torrent alert me no left space on device :D
• 121[00:20:17] <ewew> rant i think i found a answer to my question. I looks like the amd64 flavor is linked to unsigned. i have to wait for normal backport.
• 122[00:20:22] <abrotman> you were running torrent clients as root?
• 123[00:20:26] <pyex> each 10 seconds :D
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• 126[00:20:45] <pyex> abrotman: no, its user
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• 128[00:21:34] <maxrazer> Does anyone have a webcam they can test with obs-studio? The image look blurry on Debian.
• 129[00:22:07] <ewew> maxrazer does the webcam have a manual focus ?
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• 131[00:22:54] <pyex> sudo -s du -h /root - > 28M /root -> via $ sudo -s rm -rf /root/.local
• 132[00:23:03] <maxrazer> ewew, No, I see no manual focus. It looks kind of out of focus, or maybe overly smoothed/compressed. It looked fine in Windows and linux mint.
• 133[00:23:13] <maxrazer> Its the preview too.
• 134[00:23:17] <karlpinc> There's an update to systemd, udev and some related packages. How do I know whether I need to reboot or not? (I just don't know enough about systemd.)
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• 137[00:23:50] <ewew> maxrazer and vlc ? how did it look there ?
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• 140[00:24:04] <pyex> i dont use to systemd, i suggest to sysV
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• 142[00:24:10] <abrotman> not helpful
• 143[00:24:21] <abrotman> karlpinc: you probably don't need to any time soon ..
• 144[00:24:22] * karlpinc has given up fighting the tide
• 145[00:24:24] <maxrazer> ewew, I can record a test. I don't remember what I played it with.
• 146[00:24:46] <jelly> karlpinc, you need to reboot.
• 147[00:24:52] <pyex> rant: i thinking its fixed via sudo -s rm -rf /root/.local
• 148[00:24:55] <abrotman> oh, is this the security fixes?
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• 150[00:25:08] <jelly> yes, but it doesn't matter
• 151[00:25:24] <abrotman> I've left systems running for a while without issue with systemd updates .. perhaps by luck
• 152[00:25:29] <hypn0> can't you use something like guvcview maxrazer
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• 154[00:25:40] <karlpinc> abrotman: Yeah. I glanced at the changelog.Debian and there didn't see anything alarming. But I'm more interested in a general rule. I always reboot for kernel updates and libc related stuff. Otherwise, not so much. But systemd has changed things.
• 155[00:25:50] <jelly> yeah, and I've left systems running with old kernels and old libc6
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• 157[00:26:26] <pyex> rant: thank you for helping, i noted your commands in text file
• 158[00:26:33] <maxrazer> It looks bad in vlc/mpv
• 159[00:26:37] <karlpinc> How does unattended-upgrades know when to tell the user to reboot?
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• 161[00:26:50] <maxrazer> I'm going to reboot into windows and see what the videos look like that I recorded there.
• 162[00:26:56] <rant> pyex: yes well, you werent actually out of space, you'd just hit the reserve
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• 165[00:27:27] <rant> pyex: if you want you could lower the reserve and reclaim some of that.. its 11G roughly (5%) currently reserved for root to continue logging and doing essential functions
• 166[00:27:33] <pyex> df -Th, du -h /root, rm -rf /root/.local
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• 168[00:28:41] <rant> pyex: you could lower it to say 2.6G (1%) and reclaim about 8G still leaving you some wiggle room if you need/want the space for your user
• 169[00:28:54] <pyex> rant: i dont know how i can do it, im know to python but my linux knowledge too low.
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• 171[00:29:21] <karlpinc> pyex: It might not be worth bothering about.
• 172[00:29:49] <pyex> i want to more spaces for user
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• 175[00:30:23] <rant> pyex: its a simple tune2fs -m 1 /dev/sda2 would lower it to 1% I set mine to 0% but I am a bit more savvy.. I can handle when SHTF having a reserve helps keep the system responsive and logging to disk when you accidentally use all the space
• 176[00:31:06] <pyex> yes, its simple, i doing -> tune2fs -m 1 /dev/sda2
• 177[00:31:32] <rant> pyex: you can also check ~/.thumbnails and other such dirs in your own homedir that you may be able to reclaim some additional space you could install baobab which is a Graphical app showing you disk usage so you can visually see where space is used
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• 179[00:31:38] <pyex> tune2fs 1.43.4 (31-Jan-2017)
• 180[00:31:38] <pyex> Setting reserved blocks percentage to 1% (604515 blocks)
• 181[00:31:51] <pyex> whats up i dont know :D
• 182[00:31:53] <rant> pyex: yes you can use that command at any time to change the reserve as needed
• 183[00:32:30] <rant> pyex: this was obvious from your df output as it said you had 226G ut 215G used and were at 100% and 215 is not 100% of 226, its 95%
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• 187[00:33:47] <pyex> rant: ok
• 188[00:34:23] <jelly> and then next time you need wiggle room, there isn't any
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• 190[00:34:36] <pyex> /dev/sda2 ext4 226G 183G 42G 82% /
• 191[00:34:44] <rant> yeah well 2.6G should be enough for you to solve the problem
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• 193[00:35:13] <rant> why are you only showing 42G avail if you just deleted 122G and freed 4% reserve?
• 194[00:35:23] <rant> are you currently writing massive amounts of data to the disk?
• 195[00:35:32] <rant> like downloading large torrents or something?
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• 197[00:35:55] <jelly> !list deleted files
• 198[00:35:55] <dpkg> hmm... list deleted files is lsof -n +L1
• 199[00:36:35] <rant> you should have more like 130G available right now.. you're missing nearly 90G
• 200[00:36:56] <rant> unless you got something like torrents downloading that are claiming the space
• 201[00:37:15] <rant> or log files out of control
• 202[00:37:37] <rant> but idk that even the most out of control log could eat up 90G that fast
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• 204[00:38:16] <jelly> or processes keeping open files that were deleted
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• 207[00:38:28] <ewew> i suggest a ls -lah /var/log/*.log in one minute interval. and observe the change.
• 208[00:38:35] <rant> ah.. I was wondering what you meant by lsof.. that makes sense
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• 211[00:39:00] <rant> ewew: well remember all of /var was just under 400M a few min ago
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• 213[00:39:15] <ewew> okay. maybe i did see the message.
• 214[00:39:23] <ewew> *didnt
• 215[00:39:24] <rant> and he was getting an out of space error while not actually out of space so whatever was eating the disk at the time was not a root process
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• 217[00:39:38] <rant> it was a process subject to the reserve and that wouldnt have access to /var/log
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• 222[00:41:01] <ewew> hmm. atop in mode showing read/write ?
• 223[00:41:25] <ewew> could pinpoint the space eater.
• 224[00:41:26] <rwp> karlpinc, Check out the 'needrestart' package. I always disable /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99needrestart though. And run it like "needrestart -b".
• 225[00:41:36] <joepublic> if you log to /dev/null you usually have enough space, even over time. Plus /dev/null is *fast*
• 226[00:41:52] <rant> pyex: I think you should look into what jelly was suggesting and figure out also if you are currently doing anything that is saving large files.. cause while you freed some space you freed only 1/3 of what should have been freed
• 227[00:42:05] <rant> so techically you still have a space issue
• 228[00:42:12] <pyex> replaced-url
• 229[00:42:15] <rant> just a less serious one
• 230[00:42:44] <pyex> ls: cannot access '/var/log/*.log': No such file or directory
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• 235[00:43:36] <rant> pyex: na that lsof -n +L1
• 236[00:43:38] <jelly> pyex, nothing much in that output, largest file is like 8MB
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• 239[00:44:19] <jelly> you're supposed to run it as root, however
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• 243[00:46:13] <rant> dpkg no, list deleted files is to list open file handles for deleted files run as root: lsof -n +L1
• 244[00:46:14] <dpkg> rant: okay
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• 261[00:52:16] <GumShoe> I'm attempting to install debian 9 as raid 1 on two 4tb drives. I haven't previously installed raid 1 on debian, I have on fedora and centos a couple times. This is a screenshot of my partitioning. replaced-url
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• 263[00:53:16] <joepublic> 1.6TB /var? What you plan to keep there, if I might ask?
• 264[00:53:42] <GumShoe> Is it possible to get a shell when at this point in the install? I'm wondering if I could us sfdisk to create the same partitioning scheme on the 2nd drive?
• 265[00:53:46] <friendofafriend> You're trying to set up soft RAID?
• 266[00:53:53] <friendofafriend> Yeah, Ctrl+Alt+F2.
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• 268[00:53:58] <GumShoe> yes soft raid.
• 269[00:54:08] <joepublic> what friendofafriend said, control-alt-f-something
• 270[00:54:28] <ewew> tty4 its CTRL+ALT+F4
• 271[00:55:01] <ewew> if the shell isnt there try cykling from F1 to F12
• 272[00:55:09] <GumShoe> It's funny you mention the size of var... when I tried the installers auto partitioning it set / as 50gb which I thought was kinda small....
• 273[00:55:36] <joepublic> Agreed, I would be comfortable with about 150-200% that
• 274[00:55:54] <friendofafriend> I would recommend following this tutorial. replaced-url
• 275[00:56:02] <mi11k1> Does anybody know how to make a 32 bit boot with a 64 bit OS install media?
• 276[00:56:05] <GumShoe> also after messing around a bit I got them in a different order .... I don't thin it matters except to my mild ocd
• 277[00:56:56] <mi11k1> GumShoe: I just make logical volumes and resize them if they're not the right size.
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• 279[00:57:02] <rwp> GumShoe, That screenshot is not from the Debian installer.
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• 283[00:59:05] <rwp> GumShoe, If you select auto-partition with LVM then it will have more space elsewhere. My root partition is 16G, /var is 3G and /tmp is a tmpfs
• 284[00:59:22] <GumShoe> @rwo Just download and burnt debian-9.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso last night...
• 285[00:59:35] <joepublic> maybe he usually uses the text installer.
• 286[00:59:35] <rwp> GumShoe, It looks like you are not using LVM however so whatever partitions you set up are hard partitions forever.
• 287[01:00:15] <GumShoe> I'm not very experienced with lvm. Can I setup raid 1 on lvm or ???
• 288[01:00:30] <rwp> I'll say +1 to friendofafriend's recommendation of replaced-url
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• 293[01:01:13] <rwp> There is no single right answer. You should always do what makes the most sense to you.
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• 295[01:01:40] <mi11k1> Actually I'm curious to try zfs install
• 296[01:01:48] <rwp> For me I always set up mdadm raid on the bottom, lvm PVs on them creating a VG volume group, then LVs logical volumes from that.
• 297[01:02:26] <ewew> rwp and you can add thin lvm volumes
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• 300[01:02:55] <ewew> to drive IOs to insanity
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• 302[01:02:59] <rwp> But LVM is one more thing to learn and often it isn't needed. Take thin lvm volumes for example. I haven't ever learned those.
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• 305[01:03:19] <mi11k1> Can anybody help me figure out what to do with an old Mac pro i'm trying to install Stretch on, But it's not seeing my install media
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• 307[01:03:54] <mi11k1> The only reason why I learned lvm was for iscsi
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• 309[01:04:04] <rwp> mi11k1, If you requre a 32-bit installation but only have a 64-bit installer then I am sorry but you will need to download a 32-bit installer. :-(
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• 311[01:04:33] <rwp> mi11k1, I recommend the netinstall iso since it is small and if the machine is on the net then everything can flow from the network connection at install time.
• 312[01:04:47] <mi11k1> The problem is is apparently I need a 32 bit installer but I need a 64-bit operating system is there any workarounds?
• 313[01:05:10] <mi11k1> Actually could and I just install 32 bit then enable the 64-bit architecture after it's installed
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• 315[01:05:34] <GumShoe> @friendofafriend and @rwp do I need a different .iso for that installer? It's refrencing v5 and doesn't look my current installer...
• 316[01:05:40] <ewew> is the hw 32 bit or 64 bit. If 32bit you cannot change it to 64bit
• 317[01:05:51] <ewew> mi11k1 ^
• 318[01:06:03] <themill> mi11k1: there is actually a 32bit bootloader for an amd64 installation that is designed for such beasts
• 319[01:06:17] <mi11k1> Yes where is that?
• 320[01:06:29] <rwp> GumShoe, Any version of the installer that is new enough to have a Linux kernel that boots on your hardware is okay. Software will upgrade later.
• 321[01:06:30] <mi11k1> themill: yesyesyes
• 322[01:07:08] <themill> mi11k1: the 'mac' one at replaced-url
• 323[01:07:22] <mi11k1> themill: do you have a link to any tutorial or anything? That is Exagone313 do you have a link to any tutorial or anything?
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• 325[01:07:38] <mi11k1> Wow
• 326[01:07:42] <themill> I think that's the right one for your situation
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• 328[01:08:14] <AK_> replaced-url
• 329[01:08:17] <themill> I recall the installer people working on 32bit bootloaders for various strange firmware that couldn't boot amd64 bootloaders even though the machine was amd64
• 330[01:08:27] <rwp> GumShoe, Looking at replaced-url
• 331[01:08:38] <mi11k1> themill: i'm surprised I've done lotta reading last couple days and I've never seen a reference. That's exactly what I need thank you.
• 332[01:08:41] <AK_> oh shit
• 333[01:08:58] <rwp> GumShoe, Therefore using guided partitioning would be advised since it will do the right thing with regards to creating those extra required partitions.
• 334[01:09:09] <themill> mi11k1: the debian-boot mailing list or sledge's blog are likely to be the places where this info is to be found
• 335[01:09:15] <rwp> GumShoe, If those partitions are missing where they are required then the resulting installation will not be able to boot.
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• 337[01:09:58] <GumShoe> I believe it was the guided partitioning that gave the absurdly small size for / ...
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• 339[01:11:05] <GumShoe> in centos there is a boot parition and a biosboot that is necessary for uefi of > 2tb. I don't think I saw that in the guided partioning.
• 340[01:11:43] <rwp> I think your absurdly small for you is insanely large for me. :-)
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• 344[01:12:19] <rwp> Looking: The default is 25G for root and 10G for /var on a new installation.
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• 347[01:12:26] <karlpinc> rwp: Thanks.
• 348[01:12:41] <GumShoe> well.... I once put a 10meg hd on a cp/m system for just under a grand :-)
• 349[01:13:40] <GumShoe> It seems odd that they would create such small partitions in a 4TB drive... :-(
• 350[01:13:45] <karlpinc> Looks like unattended-upgrades looks for a /var/run/reboot-required file. It is apparently up to the package to create such a file in its postinst script.
• 351[01:13:57] <rwp> GumShoe, Here is a snapshot of the default sizes from the installer. replaced-url
• 352[01:14:00] <whislock> GumShoe: The GPT BIOS boot partition is only needed if you're NOT using UEFI.
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• 354[01:14:10] <rwp> One can always change the sizes to be more to their liking at partition time.
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• 356[01:14:19] <rwp> But it is good to have a reference to start from.
• 357[01:14:36] <whislock> GumShoe: And that's not a CentOS-ism. That's GRUB2 on any Linux distro.
• 358[01:14:54] <GumShoe> that's like a 40gig drive?
• 359[01:15:21] <rwp> Note that is an encrypted device setup. I would need to make another snapshot for lvm+raid
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• 361[01:15:53] <karlpinc> But I don't see anything in the policy manual, or anywhere else, that seems to talk about this.
• 362[01:16:23] <rwp> GumShoe, That is a VM I created so I could take a snapshot of the defaults.
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• 365[01:17:37] <GumShoe> no war intended but the gui for raid seemed a lot easier on centos... But in this guide you refrenced replaced-url
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• 367[01:17:51] <rwp> karlpinc, Give 'needrestart -b' and also the interactive 'needrestart' a try. I think you will like it. (What I don't like is that it wall's every tty when run interactively. That is why I run it in -b batch mode.)
• 368[01:18:25] <rwp> GumShoe, I agree. The Anaconda installer is much easier to set up disks for than the debian-installer's "partman".
• 369[01:18:37] <GumShoe> None of the guides seem to be written for drives larger than 2tb. Plus I checked the debian administrator guide and seemed a bit stale on the large drive issues...
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• 371[01:19:02] <rwp> GumShoe, It is also possible to set up all of the partitions as you like. And then use the debian-installer and use the existing partitions. That works okay too.
• 372[01:19:37] <rwp> I agree that the docs are stale on both large drives and EFI installation too.
• 373[01:20:20] <rwp> Fortunately the debian-installer is up to date about those things and will do the right thing. That's why using it in guided mode will provide the right answer.
• 374[01:20:22] <GumShoe> a huge problem I had with the centos raid 1 install is that it didn't create the uefi biosboot parition on the 2nd drive. Goal is to boot from either drive in an emergency and without the biosboot on sdb I couldn't grub-install
• 375[01:20:27] <ewew> or do it with deboostrap. replaced-url
• 376[01:20:48] <whislock> GumShoe: Was it a UEFI install?
• 377[01:21:03] <ewew> link correction. replaced-url
• 378[01:21:30] <rwp> A debootstrap install as ewew suggests is not that difficult and works very well too!
• 379[01:21:34] <GumShoe> Tried it both ways, but I've read that you have to have the biosboot on drives larger than 2tb regardless of uefi
• 380[01:21:53] <ewew> rwp and use the RAID wiki
• 381[01:21:57] <ewew> debian
• 382[01:21:58] <whislock> GumShoe: Then what you read was incorrect.
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• 386[01:22:44] <ewew> rwp and im not sure how to config the GRUB when using raid
• 387[01:22:47] <whislock> BIOS boot partitions are only needed to boot non-UEFI GPT installs, and they're needed on drives of any size that use GPT partition tables.
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• 391[01:23:24] <rwp> Right. A UEFI boot system only needs the EFI System Partition.
• 392[01:24:02] <whislock> And UEFI ESPs are NOT supported on software RAID.
• 393[01:24:05] <rwp> Because life with legacy disks and BIOSes was so simple the result now feels like a confusing mess. Because it is...
• 394[01:24:23] <rwp> whislock, Huh?
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• 397[01:24:38] <rwp> whislock, Oh! You mean the ESP itself isn't supported as a raid. gotcha
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• 399[01:24:59] <whislock> The rest can be, yeah, but not the ESP.
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• 401[01:25:28] <rwp> I have simply been using dd to clone the primary over to the secondary disk.
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• 404[01:26:02] <whislock> I figured out an alternative method. I can talk about that over PMs.
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• 487[02:30:27] <johnfg_> hi guys
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• 490[02:31:43] <johnfg_> Is there a way, when connected to my remote router via 192.168.0.1, to reboot it? Somehow, things got whacked out at the office, and my debian server has the wrong ip number, and some services aren't able to run.
• 491[02:32:00] <johnfg_> It's a D-Link DIR-651.
• 492[02:32:25] <joepublic> don't see why there would not be something in the web interface.
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• 494[02:32:31] <johnfg_> If I was at the office, I'd just unplug it and plug it back in.
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• 498[02:33:03] <johnfg_> joepublic: I googled it, but most hits talk about a factory reset, which I don't want or need.
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• 501[02:36:00] <PaddyF> most routers/modems have a support contact
• 502[02:36:12] <PaddyF> or how is debian involved there?
• 503[02:36:36] <joepublic> reboot device is on the tools->system settings page according to page 52 of the manual.
• 504[02:36:48] <joepublic> replaced-url
• 505[02:36:50] * PaddyF is puzzled
• 506[02:36:50] <johnfg_> PaddyF: only that I'm running debian on the server.
• 507[02:37:01] <johnfg_> joepublic: Thanks, I'll check that out.
• 508[02:37:43] <joepublic> if your debian doesn't have a browser, perhaps start a vncserver, access it locally, and browse from there?
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• 514[02:42:51] <rant> or not, use xpra or something instead
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• 516[02:43:17] <rant> vncserver has no real auth, it draws a whole desktop.. etc.. its not what you'd want to use for that
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• 518[02:45:17] <awal1> guys, "0e8d:7610" (lsusb -> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0e8d:7610 MediaTek Inc.) is definitely not supported by linux kernel, right?
• 519[02:45:57] <awal1> ( uname -a ---» Linux xc-debian-xc 4.19.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.13-1 (2018-12-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux )
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• 525[02:53:25] <rant> awal1: no, I see some drivers available in the wild that seem to be reported as buggy to say the least
• 526[02:53:48] <rant> awal1: replaced-url
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• 528[02:54:33] <awal1> rant, i have found some forked stuff in github yep, like that one, but I won't third party stuff in my system
• 529[02:54:36] <awal1> but thanks
• 530[02:55:10] <awal1> in fact i just want a usb wifi adapter with 5gh capability
• 531[02:55:15] <joepublic> There is linux support in the mainstream kernel, linux support if you provide some possibly dodgy firmware, linux support if you compile a non-mainline driver for your kernel version and do it again every time you install another kernel, etc. Many definitions of "supported in Linux"
• 532[02:55:51] <joepublic> 5GHz is about 10 times as fast as 2GHz in my apartment complex because there are 100 2GHz routers but only a couple 5GHz ones
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• 535[02:56:19] <awal1> i may just go for replaced-url
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• 537[02:56:35] <awal1> looks like it is well supported
• 538[02:56:47] <rant> the higher frequencies dont seem to penetrate walls as well from my limited use of 5G
• 539[02:56:49] <whislock> 5GHz is also just faster in general.
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• 542[02:58:04] <awal1> i wanna 5ghz almost for speed/bandwidth concerns
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• 544[02:58:27] <joepublic> well, yes, and has to be closer to cause same level of interference. I honestly tested 5GHz wifi in my apartment same as 100Mbit wireline speed
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• 546[02:59:21] <awal1> my roomates have laptops with 5ghz capability, and me using 2ghz, i get poor signal
• 547[02:59:33] <awal1> i have to by that alpha
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• 550[03:00:09] <rant> awal1: you wanting to use this on a laptop?
• 551[03:00:17] <awal1> rant, yep
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• 553[03:00:21] <rant> cause my laptop has 5ghz in it as well
• 554[03:00:28] <awal1> mine not
• 555[03:00:34] <rant> might be just as simpe to just swap your wifi card out
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• 558[03:00:42] <awal1> a lenovo from 2012/13 or so
• 559[03:00:45] <rant> some laptops even have access doors to get to the card
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• 562[03:00:58] <joepublic> my lenovo has the wifi card next to the ram under the little door
• 563[03:01:03] <rant> mine is a lenovo from that time period too :P
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• 565[03:01:24] <awal1> idepad, not the best :P
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• 568[03:01:39] <rant> ah..I got the thinkpad x240
• 569[03:01:44] <awal1> change my wifi card is also a good idea yeah
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• 574[03:02:29] <rant> awal1: this is whats in mine 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 [8086:08b2] (rev 83)
• 575[03:02:30] <awal1> in fact i want that alpha i pasted bcoz it supports injection too
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• 577[03:02:45] <awal1> lastly i am learning about security stuff too
• 578[03:03:36] <awal1> rant, i prefer an external one bcoz i have several machines
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• 582[03:07:48] <rant> idk I rather not fool with them for everyday use.. it makes the machine feel more bulky, less portable, etc but I did have a hawking tech USB dish back in the day and wouldnt mind geting another one of those some day.. perhaps a more modern one.. but they're real nice.. can really extend the range significantly
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• 586[03:10:02] <AK> lol using tor from tty still not booted to X
• 587[03:10:49] <AK> so I just installed debian for the first time guys
• 588[03:11:09] <AK> and its an encrypted install. only esp isn't encrypted
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• 590[03:12:14] <AK> please don't take me wrong. I just cloned my dotfiles in chroot. and got connected to irc with tor. ran tor using root. then now I'm using my own user.
• 591[03:12:39] <AK> I don't know why I got an error when I was installing bootloader to hard drive.
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• 593[03:13:35] <AK> so now I'm in rescue mode. and I have vmlinuz and initrd in /boot.
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• 595[03:13:45] <AK> I didn't mount ESP yet.
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• 597[03:14:56] <AK> if I mount ESP on /boot, the files gets vanished as they meant to. and I get an EFI directory and child dir debian too but with no kernel there.
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• 601[03:15:41] <AK> I have created an entry using efibootmgr after mounting ESP to boot.
• 602[03:15:56] <AK> but still I cant boot
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• 606[03:16:37] <AK> help me to recover the system.
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• 608[03:17:34] <AK> I don't have a manual or a spare system/mobile device to watch for some guide
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• 612[03:20:01] <rant> even if I werent tired and contemplating sleep, there is absolutely nothing I could do for yu because in your long rant nowhere is there a question, any details like an error message, or anything.. and I just disable all that UEFI stuff on my system too much aggrivation
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• 623[03:30:31] <AK> I need assistance with uefi encrypted install. its my first debian install.
• 624[03:31:33] <rant> well good luck with that..
• 625[03:31:45] <rant> dpkg, good questions
• 626[03:31:46] <dpkg> rant: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
• 627[03:32:10] <rant> dpkg, smart questions
• 628[03:32:10] <dpkg> Asking the right question can be hard, and effective communication is easier if you give us extra information. replaced-url
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• 630[03:33:43] <m_g_lewis> AK: You might try ##linux...it's not Debian specific but there are Debian experts there...there are a lot more people there too :)
• 631[03:34:05] <m_g_lewis> ##linux
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• 653[03:45:29] <aloo_shu> oh wow, dpkg knows greenend / sgtatham :)
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• 655[03:47:14] <_unreal_> I have an asus tinkerboard running the OS built by asus that is based on debian. My issues is with my display. the display is an rpi touch LCD. 1024x600 60hz. there is no current support for that resolution. how would I go about adding it?
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• 666[03:51:57] <aloo_shu> _unreal_: not sure if it's very active, but #xorg exists and has appx. 100 users
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• 671[03:54:55] <aloo_shu> _unreal_: iirc, you first have to generate a new sort of mode template, there's some software that can aid, but it's not trivial; then you can pick that mode
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• 675[03:57:50] <AK> m_g_lewis: I think I'm banned there
• 676[03:58:15] <aloo_shu> _unreal_: it's a long time since I tried it, and iirc, I had read the manual pages (man / info commands) of X, Xserver, Xorg, xorg.conf, and xrandr
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• 678[03:58:23] <m_g_lewis> AK: Sorry...
• 679[03:58:36] <_unreal_> xrand?
• 680[03:59:04] <_unreal_> I believe its an xrandr thing
• 681[03:59:29] <_unreal_> looking at this replaced-url
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• 692[04:02:18] <_unreal_> curently doing a distro upgrade
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• 695[04:04:43] <_unreal_> :) just put my daughter to bed and ripped one good in her room :)
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• 700[04:09:15] <AK> m_g_lewis: I tried one other account but I don't remember the password and I can't join linux without an account
• 701[04:09:17] <Sveta> mind a msg, _unreal_ ?
• 702[04:09:30] <Sveta> non personal just follow up from two years back :)
• 703[04:09:45] <AK> and also I don't have another system or phone available
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• 705[04:11:09] <m_g_lewis> AK: Isn't the Debian UEFI install automated? I don't know much about it myself...
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• 711[04:15:26] <AK> m_g_lewis: its my first debian insallation
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• 713[04:15:35] <AK> and I chose expert install.
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• 715[04:15:59] <AK> I have two partitions
• 716[04:16:18] <AK> one unencrypted ESP for efi. and once luks on lvm
• 717[04:17:41] <m_g_lewis> AK: I don't know enough about it to help you with that configuration...can't you delete one of the partitions and go with guided partitioning from the installer?
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• 725[04:23:05] <_unreal_> Sveta, sorry doing multi things at once
• 726[04:23:16] <Sveta> that's alright, I just sent you a couple messages
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• 729[04:26:06] <coltkirk> i'm real happy to chose debian stable this weekend. tweeking and customizing it has been a blast
• 730[04:26:20] <coltkirk> *to have chosen
• 731[04:26:36] <dvs> as long as it works
• 732[04:27:27] <coltkirk> it works so far, but I really need to figure out an auto backup mechanism
• 733[04:27:28] <_unreal_> this dislpay i'm using is killing me with the resolution
• 734[04:27:39] <_unreal_> trying to get the native LCD resolution working
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• 736[04:28:34] <dvs> coltkirk, like rsnapshot?
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• 742[04:30:24] <coltkirk> duplicity, borg, restic..
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• 744[04:30:41] <coltkirk> the debian version of restic is going to be so out of date
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• 747[04:32:28] <dvs> !buster
• 748[04:32:28] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. replaced-url
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• 750[04:34:32] <Kobaz> anyone know a good way to debug this?? replaced-url
• 751[04:34:45] <dvs> release critical bugs is only at 638
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• 753[04:34:56] <Kobaz> wait, sec, reposting
• 754[04:36:45] <AK> so what's the alternative to archlinux mkinitcpio -p linux ?
• 755[04:36:58] <Kobaz> replaced-url
• 756[04:36:59] <Kobaz> there
• 757[04:37:03] <Kobaz> soooo, what the hell is going on?
• 758[04:37:20] <AK> I'll help you Kobaz but still I'm not into X
• 759[04:37:50] <Kobaz> not into x?
• 760[04:37:52] <Kobaz> don't like x?
• 761[04:38:09] <AK> I like it and trying to get it
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• 763[04:39:18] <AK> rxvt works in X only btw
• 764[04:39:27] <Kobaz> mrxvt
• 765[04:39:36] <AK> I think you have problem in mterm?
• 766[04:39:57] <AK> I never used it but I think I can figure it out
• 767[04:40:15] <Kobaz> seems like an Xft issue?
• 768[04:40:21] <AK> I have rxvt-unicode
• 769[04:40:31] <Kobaz> if i turn off Xft and use bitmap fonts then it works
• 770[04:40:37] <AK> you don't see some fonts, icons?
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• 772[04:40:52] <Kobaz> sometimes there's no font
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• 774[04:41:38] <AK> can someone ask in ##linux to unban me. I was banned by bot I think
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• 776[04:43:13] <Kobaz> #linux Banlist: $r:polosport orwell.freenode.net $r:dilema orwell.freenode.net
• 777[04:43:24] <Kobaz> i don't think you're banned
• 778[04:43:42] <AK> its ##linux
• 779[04:43:46] <Kobaz> oh whoops
• 780[04:43:48] <AK> with ##
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• 782[04:45:26] <Kobaz> they block tor
• 783[04:45:47] <AK> I think in past I have been using it with tor too
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• 787[04:48:18] <whislock> Well, at this moment, all tor users are banned. So there's that.
• 788[04:48:32] <AK> oh
• 789[04:49:06] <AK> whislock: do you know how to update hooks for initrd??
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• 791[04:49:27] <AK> and then generate a new kernel and initrd
• 792[04:50:03] <whislock> Why are you asking me directly?
• 793[04:50:16] <AK> in archlinux its `vim /etc/mkinitcpio.conf` and then running `mkinitcpio linux`
• 794[04:50:28] <AK> you're the only active got messages
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• 796[04:51:18] <whislock> For regenerating the initramfs, try: update-initramfs -k all -u
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• 802[04:55:39] <AK> and to update hooks? there is some file lemme find
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• 819[05:11:19] <whislock> I suspect you might be trying to treat Debian a bit too much like Arch.
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• 824[05:14:12] <AK> whislock: I just gave an example
• 825[05:14:29] <AK> to get you people an idea what I want
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• 827[05:14:51] <AK> In arch I never faced such issues.
• 828[05:15:14] <AK> and its the arch who taught me all this .
• 829[05:15:20] <AK> I still love arch
• 830[05:15:23] <whislock> You didnt give an example of anything, actually.
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• 833[05:15:38] <AK> but I wanna try debian too
• 834[05:15:45] <whislock> Only that you wanted to do something that is distinctly an Arch-ism.
• 835[05:16:28] <AK> I have no kernel image in boot. and apt says its set to manualy installed.
• 836[05:16:36] <whislock> But your tone just now suggests that you dont really understand how this whole "community" thing works, so good luck.
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• 839[05:18:52] <AK> I dont care what others think. I'm a girl and in my area even people don't feel good of me if they know I use a computer so I'm raised with this behaviour
• 840[05:19:04] <AK> I don't know enough english so can't argue
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• 843[05:20:10] <AK> lemme reboot and then answer if you're gonna say something
• 844[05:20:13] <AK> lol
• 845[05:20:24] <AK> at least I'd reply that way
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• 856[05:28:47] <nekoseam> Didn't snes9x get removed because a troll was promoting zsnes, decade old unmaintained snes emulator? Why isn't it re-added?
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• 858[05:29:44] <dvs> ???
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• 860[05:30:32] <rant> 617588
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• 862[05:30:39] <rant> #617588
• 863[05:30:40] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 864[05:33:39] <JackFrost> Awwh. :(
• 865[05:34:09] <rant> #643595
• 866[05:34:10] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 881[05:46:17] <rant> well, turns out you can still use it if you really wanted to, all depends are satisfied in Stretch replaced-url
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• 901[05:58:16] <marz_d`ghostman> I'm currently reading about initramfs: replaced-url
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• 903[05:58:39] <marz_d`ghostman> Does it do that sequentially or is that step 1 OR step 2?
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• 961[06:41:03] <m_g_lewis> marz_d`ghostman: I think they are done sequentially...I found this and it says that some boot loaders, specifically LILO and potentially other old bootloaders, do not support multiple initrd images. In that case, cpu_manufacturer-ucode.img and initramfs-linux.img will have to be merged into one image.
• 962[06:41:24] <m_g_lewis> replaced-url
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• 968[06:43:18] <m_g_lewis> So if it is one image the microcode is loaded first and then in step 2 the microcode is skipped and the initramfs is loaded next if I understand correctly...
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• 974[06:45:20] <marz_d`ghostman> Ah, I see. Hmm Let me read that link you sent. Thanks
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• 977[06:46:13] <m_g_lewis> No problem, I learned something researching it too :)
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• 991[06:57:47] <m_g_lewis> This is also somewhat informative concerning initramfs: replaced-url
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• 994[06:59:50] <m_g_lewis> And this: replaced-url
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• 1021[07:21:17] <marz_d`ghostman> I tried configuratin VLAN on debian 9.6: replaced-url
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• 1062[07:53:29] <babyadam> can someone explain me Which Immunity Debugger I will use ?
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• 1072[07:58:56] <babyadam> for oscp
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• 1115[08:31:50] <marz_d`ghostman> How do you configure vlan on debian?
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• 1122[08:36:27] <PaddyF> marz_d`ghostman: you press button - power on, then go ahead by following the instructions of the vlan interface
• 1123[08:36:29] <cmptr> so uh.. buster is borked?
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• 1125[08:36:44] <PaddyF> cmptr: #debian-next on OFTC
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• 1127[08:36:56] <SwedeMike> depends a bit on version, but replaced-url
• 1128[08:37:05] <PaddyF> SwedeMike: _o/
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• 1131[08:37:45] <PaddyF> omg, i am undressed as root on irc
• 1132[08:38:11] <agio> hi, are there any thunderbird users here? are there any channels where you can get help for thunderbird?
• 1133[08:38:13] <PaddyF> free cheat sheets
• 1134[08:38:28] <PaddyF> the mozilla foundation hosts their own ircd
• 1135[08:40:08] <marz_d`ghostman> PaddyF: I tried configuratin VLAN on debian 9.6: replaced-url
• 1136[08:40:34] <PaddyF> too long to read for me, sorry
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• 1169[09:04:17] <cmptr> paddyf I just tried joining #debian-next on oftc. I registered my nick but I cant verify it. I cant access services.oftc.net keep getting timed out. do you know if buster is bork?
• 1170[09:04:58] <PaddyF> cmptr: maybe you need to report that to #oftc on OFTC
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• 1174[09:06:04] <PaddyF> can take time
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• 1247[10:04:56] <blackbit> hi. i think i have put myself in an unfortunate position with my debian installation. i am using apt pinning to have stretch with a few selected packages from newer releases. usually this works fine. now i am getting this replaced-url
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• 1250[10:05:38] <blackbit> what is the best way to resolve that? is there an apt commandline that re-installs everything that is installed to the newest version from `apt-get update`?
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• 1252[10:06:45] <PaddyF> i suggest using backports over pinned packages
• 1253[10:07:06] <jelly> blackbit: this actually never works fine, it only appears it would until you step on a mine
• 1254[10:07:30] <jelly> !pinning
• 1255[10:07:30] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at replaced-url
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• 1258[10:08:27] <jelly> !partial downgrade
• 1259[10:08:27] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
• 1260[10:09:00] <jelly> !not available
• 1261[10:09:00] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
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• 1263[10:09:34] <blackbit> thanks
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• 1267[10:10:52] <jelly> blackbit: --reinstall wants to reinstall the exact version that is installed, it cannot be used for downgrading. Be explicit: apt install sudo apt-get install libcurl3=7.52.1-5+deb9u8
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• 1269[10:11:07] <jelly> oops, paste gone bad
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• 1271[10:11:44] <jelly> aptitude might be a bit smarter than apt or apt-get in this situation
• 1272[10:11:52] <blackbit> okay thanks
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• 1286[10:22:31] <Ke> anyone having problem with gtk file managers reaching udisks2 on buster/sid
• 1287[10:22:56] <Ke> and crashing accordingly, which is also a bug
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• 1289[10:26:36] <apollo13> Ke: please use #debian-next on irc.otfc.net for sid
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• 1294[10:31:13] <jelly> Ke: wait, is it buster or sid?
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• 1301[10:35:43] <PaddyF> when OFTC was put on top of Freenode they made sure of many things. i am impressed
• 1302[10:36:04] <Ke> jelly: sid
• 1303[10:36:16] <PaddyF> SPI Inc. --> lilo baits
• 1304[10:36:44] <PaddyF> it literally takes my breath away
• 1305[10:39:09] <PaddyF> another thing: sponsor money looks different than money from proprietary projects - or not?
• 1306[10:39:30] <PaddyF> sponsors are invisible controllers
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• 1309[10:40:09] <PaddyF> so how can i keep using debian?
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• 1359[11:13:15] <Bustin> Looking for a bit of help, been at it for hours! Fresh install of Debian Stretch 9, running the gnome desktop. I cannot for the life of me, get my hybride nvidia/intel graphics driver installed, despite reading the countless posts, wiki's,etc. Anytime I install anything followed on any wiki's or guides, I get an error upon logging back in ("Oh no, something went wrong...")
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• 1362[11:13:47] <Bustin> I am running an Nvidia GTX 1050 (notebook)
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• 1379[11:21:57] <diogenes_> Bustin, why not using nouveau?
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• 1384[11:24:40] <airwind> hey, how do CPU microcode updates work in linux? I've seen apt mentioning that new microcode will be used upon next boot.
• 1385[11:25:21] <airwind> when during the boot process is the microcode loaded? UEFI flash? grub2? initramfs? or somewhere else?
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• 1395[11:28:45] <Bustin> diogenes_: new to linux, but isn't the nouveau installed by default? If so, I have no video acceleration, no effects, nothing on a fresh install.
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• 1403[11:31:46] <diogenes_> Bustin, to run yur apps with nouvea you have to use it like this: DRI_PRIME=1 <your app name>
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• 1409[11:33:54] <Bustin> diogenes_: thank you. Just curious, doesn't it seem counter-productive in a sense, if you can just install the proprietary drivers from Nvidia, and not have to specify any extra parameters while launching apps? Just have graphic acceleration system-wide, as it stands not even the gnome desktop has any effects (not that it matters much), but as an example.
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• 1411[11:34:33] <diogenes_> Bustin, nope
• 1412[11:34:40] <diogenes_> that works only on ubuntu
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• 1414[11:34:58] <diogenes_> on other distros even with prorietary you have to use: optirun <your app name>
• 1415[11:35:02] <diogenes_> to have acceleration
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• 1418[11:35:22] <Bustin> diogenes_: ah, this I did not know.
• 1419[11:35:24] <Bustin> thank you.
• 1420[11:35:29] <diogenes_> yw
• 1421[11:35:41] <diogenes_> on ubuntu, invidia works with PRIME
• 1422[11:35:56] <diogenes_> tehre you set up which graphics you want to run your session with
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• 1424[11:36:04] <diogenes_> intel or nvidia and it's easy
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• 1429[11:41:23] <Bustin> diogenes_: I tried using Ubuntu, everything worked.... except the fact that I was getting random freezes and cpu lockups :( - Debian so far has been stable, just 0 graphic acceleration ootb. In any sense, thank you for the information and help.
• 1430[11:42:37] <diogenes_> Bustin, no problem, read about bubmblebee and if you manage to make it work, it would work great! even though you still gonna hape to appent "optirun" to run apps with nvidia but it will work, or just use nouvea as i do and it also works for me :)
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• 1432[11:42:47] <diogenes_> bumblebee*
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• 1462[12:00:58] <blackflow> speaking of which, I have the opposite problem. with xfce, when the screen goes into poweroff mode due to it being idle, after a few seconds the monitor wakes up, and it's on the console (blinking prompt in upper left corner). From there I can't do anything but reboot.
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• 1464[12:02:04] <blackflow> there is zero entries in the logs (xorg or journal) so I'm guessing it's nvidia proprietary. but I can't use nouveau, the system won't boot into graphical mode with nouveau.......
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• 1498[12:27:07] <uio> Could you suggest an infographic software?
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• 1501[12:27:36] <tdn> Can apt/apt-get do something equivalent "yum history" ? I.e. list and inspect previous packagage transactions?
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• 1503[12:28:04] <Habbie> tdn, i don't know, but dpkg.log might be useful
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• 1505[12:28:59] <tdn> Habbie, ok, no front end tool to parse it?
• 1506[12:29:11] <Habbie> tdn, i have told you all that i know, so perhaps there is one!
• 1507[12:30:06] <tdn> OK
• 1508[12:30:25] <themill> apt's logs are parseable by the python deb822 modules but there is nothing prebuilt, partly because noone is sure what is wanted
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• 1512[12:31:16] <Habbie> ah, indeed there is /var/log/apt, i missd that
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• 1516[12:34:01] <tdn> themill, ok. Thanks. If I build a tool for this, would there be any interest in including it in debian?
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• 1521[12:35:24] <themill> tdn: yes. I'll happily help you get it uploaded if you write it using python's debian.Deb822 ;)
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• 1523[12:35:54] <themill> (debian.deb822.Deb822, actually)
• 1524[12:36:07] <radkos> hello, is it possible to use same pattern for several logrotate files (declared in single block) or i have to use wildcard (for the files) and sharedscripts (into the block)
• 1525[12:36:49] <Habbie> bugs.debian.org is slow to the point of nonresponsiveness for me
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• 1529[12:37:41] <uio> Habbie, Me too... might want to report that bug :)
• 1530[12:37:47] <Habbie> 'how'
• 1531[12:37:53] <Habbie> i believe i just did :D
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• 1533[12:39:21] * themill mentions it to admins
• 1534[12:39:29] <Habbie> thanks themill
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• 1596[13:10:00] <AK_> so welcome me guys I'm your new mate ;)
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• 1613[13:14:54] <uio> How can I set LXDE to lock screen + hibernate?
• 1614[13:15:02] <uio> When laptop lid is closed?
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• 1617[13:15:59] <rant> AK_: my old MATE was a fully featured desktop environment.. what features do you have? :P
• 1618[13:16:14] <AK_> uio: I think systemd takes care of it
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• 1621[13:16:30] <AK_> btw I'm new debian user, just installed.
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• 1623[13:16:43] <uio> AK Can I change the setting though?
• 1624[13:17:16] <uio> AK I think it suspends, but doesn't lock the screen.
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• 1626[13:17:58] <AK_> uio: I don't have DE. but I'll help you. won't you give me some time to compile a package?
• 1627[13:18:16] <AK_> I also wanna accomplish it
• 1628[13:18:33] <AK_> as I have to do it myself as I don't like DE's
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• 1631[13:19:25] <AK_> rant: can you please elobarate?
• 1632[13:19:52] <AK_> oh yeah just got it :-)
• 1633[13:20:30] <uio> Work around is lock and then close.... but I think that locking should be automatic on closing the lid, non?
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• 1635[13:20:39] <AK_> well, I'm not that mate, I'm i3 ;-)
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• 1637[13:21:15] <AK_> uio: You're right, it will auto lock the system just wait boss ;-)
• 1638[13:21:38] <AK_> still I'm busy in compiling packages
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• 1691[13:49:19] <lorb> the installer fails because every request gives it the wifi landing page, and I can't press on the login button there to enable the wifi because there is no browser in the netinst
• 1692[13:49:39] <lorb> (trying to install debian stretch netinst on a wifi with landing page)
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• 1694[13:49:58] <Habbie> lorb, boot a liveCD, accept, quickly boot the installer?
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• 1697[13:50:31] <xand> maybe don't use the netinstall version on such a network?
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• 1700[13:50:39] <themill> you can complete the installation without network access and then fix it up later
• 1701[13:50:54] <AK_> someone asked me some question
• 1702[13:50:56] <Habbie> themill, even from the netinst image?
• 1703[13:51:25] <jelly> yes, netinst carries a complete if minimal OS
• 1704[13:51:29] <Habbie> ah, ok
• 1705[13:51:32] <themill> yes, the netinst can complete the installation without network
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• 1707[13:51:40] <AK_> Habbie: I installed from netinstall image
• 1708[13:51:50] <AK_> yeah it does without network too
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• 1710[13:52:18] <AK_> I only installed basic system tools
• 1711[13:52:53] <lorb> does that give any gui?
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• 1713[13:53:02] <lorb> or a browser to login into the wifi?
• 1714[13:53:03] <themill> you deal with that after
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• 1716[13:53:34] <AK_> no
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• 1718[13:54:21] <AK_> but you can have wifi connected with wpa_supplicant
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• 1720[13:54:27] <lorb> I completed the install without network, but can't see a way to fix this now
• 1721[13:54:29] <AK_> which comes with netinstall
• 1722[13:54:53] <AK_> lorb: what's your problem now?
• 1723[13:54:55] <lorb> wifi connects fine, it's just that every request returns the landing page.
• 1724[13:55:33] <AK_> dunno what you wnana say, not an english speaker I'm
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• 1726[13:55:58] <AK_> if you have wifi connected you can install network-manager
• 1727[13:56:03] <lorb> I need to accept the terms and conditions of the semi-public wifi, and I can't. I tried copy pasting the link and doing it with wget, but that does not seem to work
• 1728[13:56:35] <lorb> no I can't install anything, because while the wifi is connected, the router only serves me the landing page an any request
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• 1730[13:57:16] * themill tries to remember if w3m is installed
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• 1733[13:59:05] <lorb> no
• 1734[13:59:46] <AK_> and for the guy who asked me how to auto lock the system on lid close or sleep/suspend, just put this script into /lib/systemd/system-sleep/lockonsleep.sh replaced-url
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• 1736[14:00:03] <AK_> make in executable by sudo chmod +x path
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• 1738[14:00:24] <AK_> lorb: if you have an android, you can use usb ethernet and install
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• 1740[14:01:56] <lorb> I'll guess I'll have to install over a different network
• 1741[14:02:15] <AK_> You can use phone internet
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• 1756[14:10:39] <kent1402> Good evening, world
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• 1758[14:11:18] <AK_> good evening
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• 1765[14:13:34] <kent1402> i have a question... for instance, I want to use libinput as my touchpad driver, how can I enable it to tap for clicking? i haven't been able to tap-clicking with my sypnatic touchpad since i have installed my debian 9.6
• 1766[14:13:41] <kent1402> thank u for the advance
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• 1769[14:14:49] <AK_> lemme drive, today installed debian this thing i also want
• 1770[14:14:56] <AK_> kent1402:
• 1771[14:15:13] <AK_> wait for me to reach home
• 1772[14:15:36] <AK_> same hardware ive
• 1773[14:15:44] <kent1402> no problem, just take your time, I'm currently watching youtube anyway
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• 1777[14:18:10] <oo_miguel> My old acer notebook does not want to wake up via waekonlan magic packets... Should it generally wake up from full power off state? Or should I just put it to sleep or suspend?
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• 1780[14:20:46] <kent1402> for AK_, additional info: my DE is xfce
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• 1795[14:24:19] <kent1402> is there a specific channel room for debian xfce?
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• 1813[14:33:43] <AK_> kent1402: I have wrote a conf. lemme apply it by killing the X now
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• 1815[14:34:02] <kent1402> killing the X?
• 1816[14:34:20] <AK_> yeah, it will affect only if we restart the X
• 1817[14:34:23] <AK_> xorg
• 1818[14:34:33] <AK_> I mean the grapphical mode
• 1819[14:35:23] <AK_> kent1402: its working for me.
• 1820[14:36:13] <AK_> here is the file. replaced-url
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• 1822[14:36:52] <AK_> save it as /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf
• 1823[14:37:18] <AK_> I had to create this dir. /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
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• 1825[14:38:26] <kent1402> oh, okay... wait..
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• 1827[14:38:54] <AK_> mkdir -pv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && curl replaced-url
• 1828[14:39:06] <AK_> if all went okay, just logout and log back in
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• 1830[14:39:20] <AK_> pkill X and or how you do that in xfce
• 1831[14:39:32] <kent1402> the link tells me "status:not found"
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• 1833[14:40:10] <AK_> replaced-url
• 1834[14:40:30] <jelly> there actually is a #debian-xfce here on freenode, but be very patient as it's a tiny channel
• 1835[14:40:33] <AK_> mkdir -pv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && curl replaced-url
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• 1839[14:41:02] <AK_> I'm using rxvt and links underlined sorry for that.
• 1840[14:41:22] <AK_> I got i as small j ;-)
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• 1845[14:43:15] <AK_> it will work kent1402 it worked for me on many distros
• 1846[14:43:43] <kent1402> okay, i have copied, saved, and now it's rebooting...
• 1847[14:43:58] <AK_> just log out was okay
• 1848[14:44:10] <AK_> or in terminal just type pkill X and all was okay
• 1849[14:44:26] <kent1402> allright... and...
• 1850[14:44:28] <kent1402> wow
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• 1852[14:44:36] <kent1402> it works like a charm
• 1853[14:44:38] <AK_> ;-)
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• 1855[14:44:44] <kent1402> thanks AK_
• 1856[14:44:45] <NetTerminalGene> ,kernels
• 1857[14:44:46] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.13-1); buster: 4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.18.20-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-
• 1858[14:44:47] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
• 1859[14:45:12] <AK_> I have 4.18
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• 1862[14:46:01] <AK_> kent1402: My pleasure I helped
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• 1864[14:47:30] <AK_> I also needed it. but I had other apps with more priority ;) You asked and I changed the priority :-)
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• 1903[15:11:17] <linuxthefish> hey, how can I boot into text only console from the live CD?
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• 1906[15:12:48] <Wulf> linuxthefish: the boot menu might present you that option
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• 1920[15:18:16] <linuxthefish> replaced-url
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• 1924[15:19:34] <linuxthefish> ahhh nvm it's tab to edit not E
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• 1926[15:20:16] <Wulf> I was just going to suggest pressing e :)
• 1927[15:21:46] <linuxthefish> hmm replaced-url
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• 1934[15:24:36] <linuxthefish> changing to boot=getty just gives kernel panic lol
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• 1966[15:36:20] <linuxthefish> Ok fixed it, I just had to add text onto the end of the boot line :D
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• 1971[15:40:06] <Slashman> hello, I'm trying to automate the installation of the latest kernel from backports on stretch, is there a way to find the latest one easily?
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• 1973[15:40:13] <RoyK> hm... installed motion from apt - works if I start it manually, but nothing in the logs if I start it with systemctl, just 'exited' - any ideas?
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• 1976[15:43:05] <Fox> Slashman: apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 ?
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• 1978[15:43:34] <Slashman> Fox: I'm looking to automate this
• 1979[15:43:43] <Fox> and ?
• 1980[15:44:01] <Fox> you ask for a way to find the latest one
• 1981[15:44:12] <RoyK> problem solved - disabled in /etc/default/motion
• 1982[15:44:18] <Fox> next step is bash/grep/awk
• 1983[15:44:27] <Slashman> yes, I want something better than apt-cache search -t stretch-backports linux-image-*|egrep "linux-image-[0-9]\.[0-9]{1,2}\.[0-9]{1}-[0-9]{1}\.bpo\.[0-9]{1,2}-amd64 |linux-image-[0-9]\.[0-9]{1,2}\.[0-9]{1}-[0-9]{1}\.bpo\.[0-9]{1,2}-amd64-unsigned"| tail -n 1| awk '{ print $1}'
• 1984[15:44:30] <greycat> Slashman: just install "linux-image-amd64", then, and make sure you dist-upgrade periodically.
• 1985[15:44:43] <greycat> OH... backports. Bleh. Never mind.
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• 1987[15:45:08] <greycat> SNS
• 1988[15:46:07] <Slashman> I guess I'll have to stay with this crazy line
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• 2002[15:54:45] <AK_> someone guide me how to create a hook which deletes the old kernel and initramfs on update and rename it to vmlinuxz and initrd.img respectively. I think I have to put some scripts somewhere.(once read it but lazy enough to write one)
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• 2022[16:02:07] <xdruppi> how do i connect to the internet through command line, im following replaced-url
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• 2025[16:02:20] <xdruppi> been like 2 hours trying this
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• 2031[16:07:04] <AK_> xdruppi: wireless?
• 2032[16:07:09] <xdruppi> AK_: yes
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• 2034[16:08:26] <AK_> xdruppi: wpa_passphrase "wifi name" "password" >> /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
• 2035[16:08:43] <AK_> run as root
• 2036[16:08:51] <xdruppi> then?
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• 2038[16:09:07] <xdruppi> by the way are the quotes necessary?
• 2039[16:09:13] <AK_> it will connect ot internet
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• 2041[16:09:47] <AK_> "" are because you may have spaces or some characters in ssid or pass
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• 2044[16:10:41] <xdruppi> why did you use >> there's no wpa_supplicant.conf in that folder
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• 2047[16:11:18] <colo-work> to not destroy any existing information in that file
• 2048[16:11:36] <xdruppi> ok
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• 2067[16:19:31] <hejux> hi, if someone got my authorized_keys, will they be able to get the ids_rsa key?
• 2068[16:19:51] <hejux> *id_rsa
• 2069[16:19:52] <e> no
• 2070[16:20:32] <greycat> authorized_keys contains only public keys, which are completely safe
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• 2072[16:20:49] <hejux> i got it.
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• 2074[16:21:14] <hejux> thanks. is it safe to store id_rsa keys on dropbox and store dropbox password on icloud ?
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• 2076[16:21:31] <karlpinc> What's the "right" tool to use to fill in a PDF form?
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• 2078[16:22:19] <greycat> ... an intern running Microsoft + Adobe crapware
• 2079[16:22:19] <karlpinc> hejux: "Safe" is relative. Depends on what you're using them form. I'd kep them on an encrypted usb stick in my pocket.
• 2080[16:22:21] <abrotman> pdfedit ?
• 2081[16:22:33] <abrotman> dpkg: tell karlpinc about edit pdf
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• 2084[16:23:07] <abrotman> karlpinc: also see 'fill pdf form' the bot mentioned .. it's all fairly hit&miss though
• 2085[16:23:27] <greycat> that's "fill pdf forms", plural
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• 2091[16:25:17] <karlpinc> Which reminds me, the <hold> facotoid needs updating now that stretch (!) became stable. The "Note..." needs updating to either be dropped or to be put in past tense.
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• 2095[16:26:02] <karlpinc> Strange it's hit and miss. I'd have thought that pdf was a well-understood data structure.
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• 2098[16:26:57] <greycat> PDF is like a compiled binary program. You are not intended to work with the binary bits. You are supposed to work with the source form.
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• 2102[16:27:41] <xand> depends if the PDF form is really a form or not
• 2103[16:27:58] <karlpinc> xand: Well that makes sense.
• 2104[16:28:18] <f0x> Is there a way to get cryptsetup on a debian live usb without internet?
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• 2106[16:28:21] <xand> Adobe's PDF reader can fill in non-forms
• 2107[16:28:29] <f0x> I'm in a bit of a pickle...
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• 2109[16:29:19] <f0x> I renamed one of my PAM files, so login doesn't work anymore, and it's full disk encrypted so I can't easily mount it from the liveusb
• 2110[16:29:27] <karlpinc> xand: Well, I suppose something like gimp or inkscape can draw on them too... (I wonder if that's why inkscape is in the <fill pdf forms> factoid, or if it really knows how to do pdf forms.
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• 2113[16:29:40] <f0x> proprietary wifi card so no Internet in the live environment
• 2114[16:30:10] <karlpinc> f0x: What problem are you having running cryptsetup?
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• 2121[16:31:09] <f0x> it doesn't seem to be installed
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• 2124[16:31:27] <karlpinc> f0x: Can't install it because you don't have wifi?
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• 2129[16:32:34] <f0x> yup
• 2130[16:33:21] <f0x> I was hoping it'd just come preinstalled, since you can set up dmcrypt from inside the installer?
• 2131[16:33:43] <karlpinc> f0x: Either download the (cryptsetup-bin) .deb onto a usb stick and use that or get a wire and plug in to an ethernet. The latter would be better. You could boot from the installer in rescue mode. That might be simplest.
• 2132[16:33:44] <xdruppi> wtf AK_
• 2133[16:33:50] <xdruppi> it actually works
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• 2143[16:36:49] <f0x> oh nice, rescue mode can mount the drive just fine
• 2144[16:37:42] <AK_> f0x: what you wanna achieve? I didn't read the whole chat
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• 2146[16:38:16] <AK_> xdruppi: don't use such language
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• 2149[16:39:14] <xdruppi> AK_ ok ;(
• 2150[16:39:34] <f0x> AK_ I've fixed it. running rescue mode prompted me for the disk password and mounted the root partition
• 2151[16:39:43] <f0x> so I could move back the PAM file
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• 2160[16:41:48] <AK_> yeah just don't go for rescue mode which says only rescue mode, ;) In the end it will show you terminal with white background
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• 2165[16:42:17] <AK_> There are some hacks for this installer too btw I today found :)
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• 2167[16:42:51] <AK_> and yeah there is a livecde which also has propritry firmware too
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• 2169[16:43:08] <AK_> I also used that today
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• 2206[17:02:36] <linuxconformer> hey guys, im running a piece of software using "make test &", but it always ends up stopping after a day or two
• 2207[17:02:43] <linuxconformer> am i doing something wrong?
• 2208[17:03:19] <apollo13> that is most certainly the wrong way to run long running software
• 2209[17:03:33] <apollo13> also it is expected to stop in case of errors :D
• 2210[17:03:55] <linuxconformer> apollo13: how would you recommend running it so that it restarts if it stops for some reason?
• 2211[17:03:56] <greycat> What is this software, and what on EARTH led you to believe that "make test" was the right way to operate it?
• 2212[17:04:14] <apollo13> linuxconformer: write a service script for systemd
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• 2214[17:04:35] <linuxconformer> apollo13: i did try that, but it didn't seem to work
• 2215[17:04:52] <apollo13> linuxconformer: it certainly works
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• 2218[17:05:31] <linuxconformer> this is the software in question: replaced-url
• 2219[17:05:36] <linuxconformer> under the section "Running h"
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• 2221[17:06:37] <apollo13> aha
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• 2223[17:08:20] <linuxconformer> i think it runs a "docker run" command, linking several containers together (incuding the primary application)
• 2224[17:08:22] <greycat> Well, that was one of the most confusing "documentation" web sites I've seen in a while. It told me absolutely nothing useful.
• 2225[17:08:55] <greycat> Is this thing tightly integrated with Docker in some way, or was all the Docker shit on that web site just an *optional* way to do stuff?
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• 2227[17:09:26] <linuxconformer> greycat: it's tightly integrated, it won't work without dockert as far as i know
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• 2229[17:09:32] <greycat> The clever reader will notice that the web site did not in ANY way describe what this software IS, or DOES, or how to USE it.
• 2230[17:09:36] <xdruppi> why does "tasksel --task-packages standard" doesn't list anything for me?
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• 2233[17:10:02] <greycat> OK, so it's Docker shit. OK. Good to know. I will now ignore it entirely for the rest of time.
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• 2250[17:18:09] <greycat> In any case, "running the test suite" is very clearly not how you are intended to invoke the thing for long-term use. I bid you good luck in deciphering this document written by aliens to figure out how you ARE supposed to run it. Perhaps it is that "make a test server" thing.
• 2251[17:18:29] <greycat> or development server, or whatever it was
• 2252[17:18:59] <linuxconformer> appreciate the help greycat
• 2253[17:19:06] <linuxconformer> hopefully i can figure this thing out
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• 2376[18:17:03] <Bustin> Anyone know how to troubleshoot "a stop job is running" on restarting / shutdown?
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• 2378[18:17:26] <PaddyF> Bustin: what says /var/log/syslog and similar?
• 2379[18:17:54] <PaddyF> i think with systemd came a log control service thingie
• 2380[18:18:25] <PaddyF> journalctl
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• 2419[18:38:23] <PaddyF> Bustin: something related to "drm kms service" but i find nothing useful on the web adhoc
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• 2546[19:46:37] <flyingbutter> does anybody mind handholding me through making my usb bootable on windows?
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• 2549[19:49:16] <friendofafriend> flyingbutter: Are you using Etcher?
• 2550[19:50:13] <flyingbutter> friendofafriend, no. I do not know what I am doing. Im gonna try again. I heard I will have to partition my usb is this true?
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• 2552[19:50:45] <friendofafriend> Make sure you have all data from your USB device backed up, it will be destroyed.
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• 2556[19:52:41] <friendofafriend> No problem. You get the Debian installer ISO you'd like to use, run Etcher, select the ISO as the image and your USB as the target device.
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• 2561[19:53:41] <flyingbutter> nvm got it to boot now. sweet
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• 2640[20:26:48] <deadrom> hi
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• 2642[20:27:39] <deadrom> when I move a partition with gparted on an ssd, is gparted clever enough not to move *everything* but keep the overlapping sectors in place and just rewrite the rest and update the filesystem..?
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• 2648[20:29:06] <Habbie> deadrom, i highly doubt it
• 2649[20:29:29] <deadrom> Habbie: yah, me, too, I just thought I double check ;)
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• 2728[20:56:34] <sydlaahad> Hello, I'm getting a kernel message at boot and even when I use vim in tty since I updated from jessie to stretch:1st msg="elantech: elantech_send_cmd query 0x02 failed";2nd msg="failed to query capabilities". would it be a hardware/mousepad or sytem failure?
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• 2738[20:58:54] <SerajewelKS> sydlaahad: if the touchpad still works, then it's probably just driver noise
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• 2749[21:04:18] <sydlaahad> The mouse stills works, but sometimes when I'm on GUI it starts to bug in a weird way. The message that bothers me since I'm 90% of the time in tyy.
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• 2754[21:06:41] <sydlaahad> Thanks. I'll find out information about driver noise.
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• 2758[21:07:35] <flyingbutter> if I check debian desktop environment and xfce on the installer will i get gnome or xfce
• 2759[21:07:47] <flyingbutter> is it necessary to check debian desktop environment
• 2760[21:08:15] <karlpinc> sydlaahad: You could try installing a newer kernel from backports and see if that does anything.
• 2761[21:08:17] <PaddyF> flyingbutter: nice finding
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• 2763[21:08:24] <PaddyF> i would say: try it?
• 2764[21:08:26] <SerajewelKS> flyingbutter: not unless you want a desktop environment. or you can not check it, then install whatever DE you want.
• 2765[21:08:43] <flyingbutter> so if i check both then will it default to gnome?
• 2766[21:08:54] <SerajewelKS> or you can check both and then uninstall what you don't want
• 2767[21:08:54] <flyingbutter> or are there packages that are useful in the debian desktop environment
• 2768[21:09:19] <PaddyF> a d-i test :)
• 2769[21:09:32] <flyingbutter> d-i test?
• 2770[21:09:37] <PaddyF> yes
• 2771[21:09:45] <PaddyF> debian-installer --> d-i
• 2772[21:10:12] <flyingbutter> PaddyF, I dont understand
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• 2774[21:10:43] <PaddyF> flyingbutter: setup virtualbox and try what you want to find out
• 2775[21:10:48] <sydlaahad> I'll try a newer kernel, thanks! (It's pretty annoying programming on vim with error messages popping up on my screen :0 )
• 2776[21:11:03] <flyingbutter> PaddyF, ok thanks. I dont have the time for thaT RIGHT now
• 2777[21:11:14] <PaddyF> but you expect others have that time?
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• 2781[21:13:37] <jmcnaught> ,recommends task-desktop
• 2782[21:13:38] <judd> Package task-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- recommends: task-gnome-desktop | task-xfce-desktop | task-kde-desktop | task-lxde-desktop | task-cinnamon-desktop | task-mate-desktop | task-lxqt-desktop, xdg-utils, avahi-daemon, libnss-mdns, anacron, eject, iw, alsa-utils.
• 2783[21:13:49] <PaddyF> jmcnaught: +1
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• 2787[21:14:25] <jmcnaught> flyingbutter: if you select XFCE and Debian desktop you will only get XFCE (the | means OR in the above recommends list)
• 2788[21:14:31] <flyingbutter> PaddyF, you are right i am sorry
• 2789[21:14:33] <PaddyF> via plain "apt install" you could install both, thats what i know
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• 2791[21:14:45] <flyingbutter> jmcnaught, thank you i just found that on the forums. sorry for being an idiot
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• 2804[21:19:45] <jhutchins> I think you need the advanced option to select which DE you get. Not sure, don't run the installer very often.
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• 2806[21:20:40] <jmcnaught> it is a confusing menu
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• 2824[21:28:32] <jhutchins_wk> If it defaults to gnome, the selection should say "Gnome Desktop Environment".
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• 2828[21:29:21] <somiaj> If you select 'desktop enviroment' but don't select any other enviorment, it will default to gnome.
• 2829[21:29:26] <somiaj> I agree it is confusing.
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• 2831[21:29:50] <jmcnaught> I think that the intent is let users indicate that they want a DE without them needing to know the difference between gnome, kde etc
• 2832[21:29:53] <somiaj> basically if you don't choose which enviorment to install, it will choose one for you.
• 2833[21:29:58] <karlpinc> sydlaahad: Another option is to look in the Documentation directory of the kernel source and see if there isn't a relevant kernel boot parameter, or something.
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• 2838[21:31:16] <jhutchins_wk> I guess there has to be a compromise between providing more informaton and keeping the page simple and clear.
• 2839[21:31:47] <jhutchins_wk> Then again, reading the install guide would probably explan all that...
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• 2933[22:11:01] <DammitJim> I asked on #samba, but maybe you guys have some experience
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• 2936[22:11:16] <DammitJim> any reason why running ls on a cifs mounted samba share would be super slow?
• 2937[22:11:36] <nkuttler> slow network?
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• 2982[22:11:45] <greycat> LITERALLY ls, or is it ls -l?
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• 2995[22:12:54] <DammitJim> did I get kicked out?
• 2996[22:12:55] <greycat> good job, freenode.
• 2997[22:13:00] <DammitJim> the: ls -l is even slower than ls
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• 3010[22:13:50] <greycat> Using plain ls (no aliases) just does a opendir() and readdir(). Adding -l means it also has to stat() every file, and then perform name service lookups on the UIDs and GIDs to map those to human-readable names.
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• 3015[22:14:14] <DammitJim> ok, that explains why it's even slower...
• 3016[22:14:26] <greycat> Is the directory *huge*? As in, 10k or more files?
• 3017[22:14:46] <DammitJim> 8k files
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• 3020[22:14:56] <DammitJim> and another server (the test server) has 6,500
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• 3025[22:15:21] <greycat> Well, that's a problem. Access to files in a traditional Unix-type file system has quadratic time complexity.
• 3026[22:15:33] <maxrazer> How would I uninstall these keys/commands? I don't see anything added to my apt settings. replaced-url
• 3027[22:15:46] <DammitJim> the weird thing is that I don't think we've added anything in the last 6 months
• 3028[22:15:59] <greycat> When it tries to stat("foo.txt"), it has to traverse through the ENTIRE directory list, which is an unsorted bag of filenames, until it finds one that matches "foo.txt".
• 3029[22:16:15] <DammitJim> yikes
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• 3040[22:16:43] <jmcnaught> maxrazer: did you look for a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
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• 3043[22:16:55] <greycat> The experimental linux-kiddie file systems try to ameliorate this by using l33t heuristics and stuff. Then they crash and burn.
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• 3045[22:17:24] <maxrazer> jmcnaught, Yes, it is an empty file.
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• 3051[22:19:05] <DammitJim> I wonder if this has anything to do with AD
• 3052[22:19:07] <jmcnaught> maxrazer: check the output of "apt-cache policy" to see if the iridium repo is listed
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• 3055[22:19:57] <maxrazer> jmcnaught, Yes, I see it.
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• 3058[22:20:53] <jmcnaught> maxrazer: did you run "apt-get update" after removing the iridium repo?
• 3059[22:20:57] <greycat> If your UID-to-user-name mapping goes through AD, then AD could be a factor.
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• 3062[22:21:36] <DammitJim> ugh
• 3063[22:23:12] <maxrazer> jmcnaught, I didn't remove it.
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• 3075[22:25:50] <jmcnaught> maxrazer: You could run "grep -ir iridium /etc/apt" to see which file(s) mention iridium
• 3076[22:26:58] <maxrazer> jmcnaught, Oh, I made a mistake. The sources.list.d is a directory. inside it there is af ile called irdidiom-browser.list
• 3077[22:27:13] <jmcnaught> maxrazer: that would be the one :)
• 3078[22:27:31] <maxrazer> I forgot it was a directory I guess and must have opened a new file.
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• 3080[22:28:29] <maxrazer> Ok, no more fille.
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• 3083[22:30:25] <ariSun> hey, I find something that might be a bug in the gtk-3-doc package in testing but I want to ask here first just in case
• 3084[22:30:56] <karlpinc> greycat: Does not ext3/4 have b-tree lookups in directories?
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• 3086[22:31:23] <greycat> I don't know.
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• 3088[22:31:28] <maxrazer> jmcnaught, Thanks!
• 3089[22:31:44] <ariSun> replaced-url
• 3090[22:32:24] <ariSun> sorry, libgtk-3-doc* package
• 3091[22:34:08] <ariSun> Tried with icecat and then with a fresh profile in firefox just to make sure it wasn't an addon doing something funny
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• 3113[22:42:50] <xdruppi> hi i installed a minimal installation of debian aka only the system utilities, how do i get sound output?
• 3114[22:43:10] <greycat> !alsa checklist
• 3115[22:43:10] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
• 3116[22:43:32] <greycat> ,file bin/alsamixer
• 3117[22:43:34] <SerajewelKS> ariSun: looks like a problem when the documentation was generated. maybe file a bug against the doc package.
• 3118[22:43:37] <judd> Search for bin/alsamixer in stretch/amd64: alsa-utils: usr/bin/alsamixer
• 3119[22:44:28] <xdruppi> it seems i don't have alsamixer on /bin
• 3120[22:44:31] <ariSun> SerajewelKS: will do, just wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake on my part
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• 3128[22:47:50] <ariSun> Oh... it's a 6 year-old bug actually
• 3129[22:47:55] <ariSun> replaced-url
• 3130[22:47:56] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3137[22:53:26] <SerajewelKS> ariSun: oh... that sucks. at least you know it's not a problem with your system now.
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• 3143[22:56:54] <xdruppi> so i tried logging out and coming back in, sound output is still muted or nonexistant, and my user is on audio group
• 3144[22:56:57] <ariSun> I'm gonna bump the thread and maybe see if I can look into it later, this is kinda silly
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• 3146[22:57:42] <greycat> Install alsa-utils (I triggered the bot to show you which package it's in) and run alsamixer.
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• 3152[22:58:38] <gordonfish> xdruppi: maybe-stupid question, but you checked your physicaly speakers, right?
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• 3154[22:58:57] <gordonfish> s/physicaly/physical/
• 3155[22:58:58] <xdruppi> gordonfish: i'm not using speakers. just headphones
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• 3157[22:59:18] <gordonfish> Same question (some headphones have a volume pod on the cable line)
• 3158[22:59:27] <gordonfish> (or on the 'phones themselves)
• 3159[22:59:28] <xdruppi> none on mine
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• 3163[23:00:38] <xdruppi> ok so i ran alsamixer and i pretty much put the volume all the way up
• 3164[23:00:42] <xdruppi> but still no sound
• 3165[23:00:50] <xdruppi> im probably being annoying
• 3166[23:00:59] <greycat> Did you press 'm' to un-mute?
• 3167[23:01:08] <greycat> All of the words in the factoid matter.
• 3168[23:01:18] <xdruppi> greycat: you mean 'm' anywhere?
• 3169[23:01:28] <greycat> Well, most. I'm considering editing it to remove that oss4 reference.
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• 3173[23:02:51] <xdruppi> greycat: ok i actually didn't notice the little 00/M that indicated the muted or not
• 3174[23:02:53] <xdruppi> thank greycat
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• 3176[23:02:59] <at0m> xdruppi: and headphones are in the line-out/headphones port, not mic input or so, right? probably just stating the obvious
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• 3179[23:03:22] <xdruppi> at0m: yeah, they are
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• 3181[23:03:28] <at0m> xdruppi: channel was muted?
• 3182[23:03:28] <xdruppi> it works now
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• 3184[23:03:31] <at0m> yay
• 3185[23:03:33] <xdruppi> it seems like it
• 3186[23:03:35] <xdruppi> i dont know why
• 3187[23:04:07] <xdruppi> now... im curious, what am i using exactly? ALSA?, because on GNOME i think it uses pulseaudio
• 3188[23:04:11] <at0m> (as root?) alsactl store to restore these settings on boot
• 3189[23:04:23] <xdruppi> oh
• 3190[23:04:25] <xdruppi> ok thanks for that
• 3191[23:04:26] <greycat> alsamixer controls ALSA, obviously
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• 3193[23:04:54] <greycat> pulse is a separate layer that sits on top of ALSA, and is entirely optional unless you are using things that only do pulse, like the newest firefoxes
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• 3195[23:06:05] <xdruppi> not sure how to ask this, but will i have to use pulseaudio in the future for firefox? i mean you are pointing out newest firefoxes do
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• 3199[23:09:51] <greycat> Some time ago, upstream Firefox was changed to disable support for ALSA, but the code was left in the tree, just disabled. Debian patched it to re-enable ALSA support. But it is believed that at some point, the ALSA code will actually be removed.
• 3200[23:09:56] <greycat> Unless this has already happened.
• 3201[23:10:28] <xdruppi> huh thanks greycat
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• 3250[23:29:08] <neilthereildeil> hi, can someone please help me setup wifi on Debian?
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• 3252[23:29:13] <neilthereildeil> im using a laptop
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• 3257[23:30:18] <neilthereildeil> the user interface of the networking tray icon has an airplanemode-looking icon, but not text next to it explaining what the checkbox does and whether its toggled on or off
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• 3259[23:30:40] <neilthereildeil> when i check thebox next to the airplane, it changes the airplane color from black to red
• 3260[23:30:50] <neilthereildeil> how is anytone supposed to know what that means?
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• 3263[23:32:55] <SerajewelKS> seems clear to me that red is on
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• 3266[23:33:45] <neilthereildeil> i thought red means stop like a stoplight :)
• 3267[23:33:51] <SerajewelKS> yes
• 3268[23:33:58] <SerajewelKS> stop all radio broadcasts
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• 3271[23:34:49] <VerrueckterMongo> any idea how to create an .desktop file that is executed without prompting for execute confirmation in lxde/lxsession?
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• 3274[23:35:08] <VerrueckterMongo> i dont want do disable execute confirmation fully
• 3275[23:35:14] <neilthereildeil> ok so when its checked, the icone is black. does this mean that readio is enabled?
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• 3277[23:35:39] <SerajewelKS> neilthereildeil: when it's checked the icon should be red
• 3278[23:35:44] <SerajewelKS> airplane mode means "turn off radios"
• 3279[23:35:47] <VerrueckterMongo> s/do/to/
• 3280[23:35:59] <neilthereildeil> no, for me, when its checked, the icon is black
• 3281[23:36:00] <LtL> neilthereildeil: yes, you don't want red if you want radio/wifi
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• 3285[23:37:19] <neilthereildeil> a label saying radio enabled or radio disabled would be very helpful here
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• 3287[23:37:57] <neilthereildeil> LtL: ok, so the box next to the icon is filled and the icon itself is black. so i guess that means radio is enaled
• 3288[23:38:04] <neilthereildeil> enabled*
• 3289[23:38:10] <LtL> neilthereildeil: correct.
• 3290[23:38:18] <neilthereildeil> how can i list wireless networks?
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• 3292[23:38:59] <LtL> neilthereildeil: iwlist for one
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• 3294[23:39:24] <neilthereildeil> isnt there some way thats built into KDE?
• 3295[23:39:28] <neilthereildeil> i wanna use GUI for this
• 3296[23:39:34] <neilthereildeil> not cmdline
• 3297[23:39:34] <LtL> neilthereildeil: if you have GUI, network-manager
• 3298[23:39:38] <neilthereildeil> ok
• 3299[23:39:52] <neilthereildeil> hmm lemme install
• 3300[23:39:56] <neilthereildeil> seems its not even installed
• 3301[23:39:59] <VerrueckterMongo> can drag&drop most shortcuts from startmenu to workplace and they will execute without prompting for confirmation but some doese not audacious e.g
• 3302[23:40:05] <LtL> neilthereildeil: I'm not recently familiar with KDE
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• 3304[23:40:22] <neilthereildeil> wait apparently its already installd
• 3305[23:40:25] <neilthereildeil> how can i rn it?
• 3306[23:40:29] <neilthereildeil> run*
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• 3308[23:41:27] <neilthereildeil> i dont see it in my path so i cant run it from cmdline
• 3309[23:41:31] <VerrueckterMongo> how is that manged in lxsession if an file is allowed execute without prompt
• 3310[23:41:46] <LtL> neilthereildeil: good place to look for starters. replaced-url
• 3311[23:41:48] <VerrueckterMongo> for execute confirmation
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• 3319[23:49:57] <neilthereildeil> so i see this line in lsmod: rfkill 24576 7 bluetooth,cfg80211
• 3320[23:50:12] <neilthereildeil> is say rfkill is used by fg80211
• 3321[23:50:22] <neilthereildeil> does that mean the radio is killed?
• 3322[23:50:26] <leorat> neilthereildeil red airplane on my kde is wireless on (danger in plane) black disables my wifi and available wireless networks are listed when click wifi icon in system tray
• 3323[23:51:45] <neilthereildeil> leorat: LtL says the opposite: "[12:36] <LtL> neilthereildeil: yes, you don't want red if you want radio/wifi"
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• 3326[23:52:03] <neilthereildeil> do u guys see why this is confusing without a label describing the state?
• 3327[23:52:37] <leorat> he also said not familiar with kde :P
• 3328[23:52:48] <LtL> neilthereildeil: that made sense to me, apparently i was wrong, sorry.
• 3329[23:53:01] <neilthereildeil> i dont think it should take familiarity with a window system to know if wifi is enabled :)
• 3330[23:53:09] <neilthereildeil> LtL no worries
• 3331[23:53:14] <neilthereildeil> im confused also lol
• 3332[23:53:30] <leorat> i had to look myself
• 3333[23:54:36] <neilthereildeil> ok so its unselected and the airplane icon is red
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• 3335[23:54:47] <neilthereildeil> but i dont have a wifi device listed
• 3336[23:54:53] <neilthereildeil> i only see the wired ethernet connection
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• 3339[23:55:34] <neilthereildeil> iwlwifi driver is loaded
• 3340[23:56:24] <LtL> neilthereildeil: so do you have a wifi icon?
• 3341[23:56:34] <neilthereildeil> no
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• 3343[23:57:02] <neilthereildeil> but lspci -k shows this entry: 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 24fd (rev 78) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 0050 Kernel modules: iwlwifi
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• 3348[23:59:21] <LtL> neilthereildeil: type 'ip a' in a terminal, do you see wlan0 or wlp3s0 or any wireless interface?
• 3349[23:59:43] <neilthereildeil> no
• 3350[23:59:56] <neilthereildeil> i see lo, my ethernet device, and a network bridge i setup (xenbr0)
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