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41 [00:37:20] <at0m> star314: i have the acng proxy defined in apt.conf, not sources.list. i do a manual quick edit of apt.conf if i need to install/update anything when i'm not near that acng
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44 [00:37:46] <at0m> just remove/add a # here
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55 [00:39:36] <star314> at0m: yes, that's a quick workaround. I could do that with the sources.list.d entry too. However, on the one hand, I am a lazy guy ;-) and, on the other hand, it bugs me that this can't be done automatically in a simple way.
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57 [00:40:23] <at0m> star314: seems you scripted it, so problem solved, no?
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59 [00:41:51] <joepublic> Major services that we envision as paragons of unixery may have started as some individual's script for fixing a corner case.
60 [00:41:51] <star314> at0m: My current workaround relies on a short Bash script. This script checks if I am at home. If yes, it adds the sources.list.d file and executes apt-get update. Otherwise, it removes it followed by apt-get update.
61 [00:42:43] <star314> at0m: But that's IMHO an ugly hack. I was hoping on something more stylish/elegant solution. :-)
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66 [00:46:05] <at0m> star314: cool, i'll follow to see if anything comes of your inquery =)
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82 [00:51:38] <jmcnaught> star314: do you use NetworkManager? You could use its dispatcher to run a script when it connects replaced-url
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85 [00:54:28] <star314> jmcnaught: Only on my laptop. On all other machines I heavily rely on running Open vSwitch and consequently all my network configuration stuff is there done by /etc/network/interfaces
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102 [01:16:41] <star314> It is past 01:00AM here. I am off to bed. Good night!
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267 [03:14:19] <devslash> i need help resetting my debian password
268 [03:14:27] <devslash> im logged in recovery at shell prompt
269 [03:14:37] <devslash> i cant mount the fs as writable
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271 [03:16:15] <t3st3r> hum, try mount -o remount,rw?
272 [03:16:19] <t3st3r> if it already mounted
273 [03:16:25] <devslash> doesnt work
274 [03:17:03] <t3st3r> what happens? you stuck in initrd? Fs fails to mount? Or?
275 [03:17:28] <devslash> it says cat find partuuid=<ID>
276 [03:18:06] <devslash> it says cant find partuuid=<ID>
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280 [03:19:15] <t3st3r> hum are you sure your fstab is okay? That looks suspicious. It have to be actual uuid.
281 [03:19:37] <devslash> yes
282 [03:19:48] <devslash> it boots up normally
283 [03:20:00] <devslash> it wouldnt if there was a problem with fstab
284 [03:20:10] <t3st3r> sounds reasonable
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287 [03:20:42] <t3st3r> either way, what's your / at this point? Real FS?
288 [03:21:06] <devslash> yes
289 [03:21:09] <devslash> i think so
290 [03:21:13] <devslash> i cant to mount to check
291 [03:21:17] <devslash> mount doesnt work
292 [03:21:34] <t3st3r> what happens when you just enter mount?
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294 [03:21:56] <devslash> failed to read mtab
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296 [03:22:12] <t3st3r> hm... okay sounds familiar
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298 [03:22:42] <t3st3r> does cat /proc/mounts shows something sensible?
299 [03:23:03] <devslash> no such file
300 [03:23:25] <t3st3r> seems /proc FS isnt mounted, dang
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305 [03:26:33] <t3st3r> you can mount it like mount proc /proc -t proc
306 [03:26:41] <t3st3r> though it usually mounted on its own
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312 [03:30:33] <joepublic> or just look at /etc/mtab instead of /proc/mounts
313 [03:31:51] <t3st3r> it either symlink to /proc/mounts in best case or stale file with irrelevant data in worst case.
314 [03:32:39] <t3st3r> Everything is file gets its price when one needs mounts under unusual circumstances :)
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470 [05:49:41] <xdruppi> could someone tell me what are the first two lines of my sources.list that point to a cdrom? replaced-url
471 [05:50:39] <xdruppi> can i remove it?
472 [05:50:50] <PaddyF> they are commented out - disabled so to say
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480 [05:53:08] <xdruppi> im reading replaced-url
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489 [06:04:38] <Fenhl> hello! I have a Python server running on Debian stable which is hitting errno 24 (EMFILE) in aionotify (an inotify package) since I need to watch more than 128 files at the same time. I've tried increasing /proc/sys/fs/inotify/max_user_instances but that doesn't seem to be permanent. Does anyone know how to make this setting survive a reboot?
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492 [06:06:05] <raidensnake> Ani idea how I can use my built in 4g to install debian?
493 [06:06:13] <raidensnake> Any*
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497 [06:08:13] <raidensnake> Join #ubuntu
498 [06:08:18] <raidensnake> Oops
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504 [06:09:41] <themill> ,i sysfsutils
505 [06:09:42] <judd> Package sysfsutils (utils, extra) in stretch/amd64: sysfs query tool and boot-time setup. Version: 2.1.0+repack-4+b2; Size: 24.9k; Installed: 67k; O: #689879
506 [06:09:54] <themill> Fenhl: ^^ you can use that with /etc/sysfs.conf
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540 [06:49:32] <rue_shop1> how do I get a list of the release strings available?
541 [06:50:12] <rue_shop1> cause I added backports to the sources.list, but it says the -t isn't valid
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545 [06:52:32] <rue_shop1> E: The value 'stretch-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
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547 [06:52:49] <themill> yeah, you don't want to do that
548 [06:52:56] <rue_shop1> I need kicad 5
549 [06:53:15] <themill> following the instructions on how to install backports would be better, then
550 [06:53:18] <rue_shop1> can you suggest another way to install id
551 [06:53:22] <rue_shop1> I did
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554 [06:53:44] <themill> !show sources.list
555 [06:53:44] <dpkg> Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
556 [06:53:45] <rue_shop1> it said to add the backports server to my sources and use -t to specify that release
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558 [06:53:57] <themill> yes, sorry, I missed a line
559 [06:54:28] <themill> the output of "apt-cache policy kicad; apt-cache policy" would be good to see too
560 [06:54:41] <themill> did you "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list?
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562 [06:54:56] <rue_shop1> replaced-url
563 [06:55:09] <rue_shop1> I did an update yes
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567 [06:55:50] <themill> that line for backports for your sources.list does not look right
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569 [06:56:05] <rue_shop1> ???
570 [06:56:17] <rue_shop1> replaced-url
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572 [06:56:44] <rue_shop1> it looks like it didn't take the backports repo
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576 [06:57:02] <themill> yes, because the line for stretch-backports in your sources.list is wrong
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579 [06:57:11] <rue_shop1> can you suggest a correction?
580 [06:57:16] <themill> It would have generated a 404 error when you ran "apt-get update" btw.
581 [06:57:26] <themill> the line on the instructions page ;)
582 [06:57:27] <rue_shop1> ? it didn't
583 [06:57:58] <rue_shop1> hmm this one is different, oh google...
584 [06:58:26] <themill> replaced-url
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591 [07:00:03] <rue_shop1> does apt-cache accept the same -t flag?
592 [07:00:13] <themill> no
593 [07:00:28] <rue_shop1> blind faith?
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595 [07:00:37] <themill> for what?
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597 [07:00:51] <rue_shop1> apt-get -t stretch-backports ....
598 [07:01:02] <themill> you can recheck "apt-cache policy kicad"
599 [07:01:11] <rue_shop1> 5.~ was there
600 [07:01:39] <themill> should be good to go then
601 [07:01:53] <rue_shop1> I with back in 1998 I could have said "its just a 54M download..."
602 [07:01:57] <rue_shop1> wish
603 [07:02:24] <rue_shop1> 8-| what machine is this terminal on....
604 [07:02:28] <rue_shop1> oops?
605 [07:02:53] <rue_shop1> oh its the right one:)
606 [07:03:19] <rue_shop1> end up accidently installing it on the jukebox or fileserver...
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608 [07:03:34] <rue_shop1> or the router or the PI
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610 [07:03:47] <rue_shop1> hey its 5!!!
611 [07:03:51] <rue_shop1> THANKYOU!!!
612 [07:04:05] * rue_shop1 gives 50 points to themill
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614 [07:04:51] <themill> ;)
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635 [07:27:03] <Fenhl> themill: if I understand the config file syntax correctly, something like `inotify/max_user_instances = 8192` should work, is that right?
636 [07:33:05] <Fenhl> hmm, no, that doesn't seem to have worked
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729 [08:59:49] <fling> should I upgrade from wheezy?
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731 [09:01:12] <xdruppi> fling: is wheeyz deb 8 or 7?
732 [09:01:18] <xdruppi> wheezy*
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734 [09:01:51] <fling> xdruppi: /etc/issue says it is 7
735 [09:02:06] <xdruppi> what the
736 [09:02:26] <xdruppi> ok
737 [09:02:29] <xdruppi> i see that file
738 [09:02:33] <xdruppi> yeah i think you should
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740 [09:02:39] <xdruppi> probably very old packages
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742 [09:04:34] <fling> xdruppi: what to run? dist upgrade?
743 [09:05:02] <babilen> dpkg: wheezy->jessie
744 [09:05:02] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
745 [09:05:08] <xdruppi> fling: i think you gotta edit your /etc/apt/sources.list, change wheezy for stretch, although im unsure
746 [09:05:09] <babilen> dpkg: jessie->stretch
747 [09:05:09] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
748 [09:05:13] <xdruppi> there ya go
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750 [09:05:47] <babilen> It's a two stage process as you are not even running oldstable (i.e. the stable release before stretch), so you have to upgrade to that first
751 [09:06:00] <babilen> Alternatively backup your data and reinstall
752 [09:06:02] <xdruppi> oh man
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754 [09:06:19] <fling> xdruppi: I have this one deb [arch=armhf] replaced-url
755 [09:06:52] <xdruppi> babilen: i know it sounds crazy but what if someone is still using debian 4 and wants to update?
756 [09:07:03] <xdruppi> do you have to manually update to 5, 6 etc?
757 [09:07:09] <babilen> xdruppi: You upgrade from 4->5->6->6->…
758 [09:07:11] <fling> babilen: so I need two steps, right?
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760 [09:07:16] <babilen> fling: Indeed
761 [09:07:22] <xdruppi> oh man haha
762 [09:07:27] <xdruppi> i'd rather reinstall at that point
763 [09:07:31] <babilen> Sure
764 [09:07:45] <xdruppi> by the way fling why are you using wheezy?
765 [09:08:06] <fling> babilen: the custom repo in the lists probably has something related to the usb host and cdrom simulation etc
766 [09:08:07] <babilen> fling: Just follow the instructions in the jessie release notes and then those in the stretch release notes linked earlier
767 [09:08:16] * fling doing
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769 [09:08:47] <babilen> I am not familiar with that repository and can not comment on their upgrade behaviour. In the best of cases they provide packages for both jessie and stretch with a clear upgrade path as well
770 [09:09:07] <babilen> You'd have to ask them though
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772 [09:09:26] <fling> babilen: whoops replaced-url
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774 [09:09:59] <babilen> Looks like you'd have to live without that in the future
775 [09:10:04] <babilen> s/future/present
776 [09:10:17] <xdruppi> lol
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778 [09:10:47] <babilen> Are those packages in any way important to you/your hardware/… ?
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780 [09:10:59] <fling> babilen: there are debian images available replaced-url
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783 [09:11:06] <fling> But I don't want to reinstall :>
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785 [09:11:20] <fling> babilen: I don't know for sure :P
786 [09:11:37] <babilen> replaced-url
787 [09:11:46] <fling> babilen: I'm using this board for flashing libreboot but now I want to upgrade and use it also for octoprint
788 [09:11:59] <babilen> Are you upgrading the Debian running on what appears to be a device called "beagleboard" ?
789 [09:12:05] <fling> Ye.s
790 [09:12:19] <fling> It is beaglebone black
791 [09:12:35] <xdruppi> im amazed
792 [09:12:40] <babilen> I would assume that whatever software they have is essential and therefore strongly recommend to contact the beagleboard people before doing this
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794 [09:13:32] <xdruppi> fling: is the beaglebone really that small?
795 [09:13:43] <xdruppi> im actually impressed
796 [09:13:56] <babilen> In terms of Debian there should be no problem upgrading, but this seems to be a case of "you aren't actually (just) running Debian", so you'd have to investigate a bit more. It appears as if they have newer images (linked above) also, but note that I am not familiar with that software at all
797 [09:15:10] <fling> xdruppi: yet it is.
798 [09:15:38] <xdruppi> fling: what do you do with it? im legit curious
799 [09:15:59] <fling> babilen: replaced-url
800 [09:16:18] <fling> xdruppi: running frashrom on it from time to time.
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802 [09:16:36] <xdruppi> gotta look up what frashrom is
803 [09:16:52] <fling> xdruppi: 1. when I need to flash a rom externally I connect an adapter I soldered for it.
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805 [09:17:18] <fling> xdruppi: 2. when I need to flash a row to a flash chip on the mobo (but I've not done it for the long time)
806 [09:17:25] <fling> xdruppi: I'm about to use it for octoprint
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808 [09:18:32] <xdruppi> sorry my rotten brain can't really understand what you do with it... ;( either way, sounds actually interesting
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813 [09:20:34] <fling> xdruppi: you wire bbb and external psu to x200 mobo, power up the bios chip, use flashrom to erase bios and install libreboot instead.
814 [09:20:41] <fling> xdruppi: don't try this at home :P
815 [09:20:52] <xdruppi> why not haha
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817 [09:22:07] <fling> xdruppi: like this if you have ponoma replaced-url
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819 [09:23:56] <fling> babilen: it does not look to me like this dist has anything useful in it.
820 [09:23:59] <fling> What do you think?
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824 [09:25:19] <at0m> hi, with no browser open on my debian box, it does send dns requests to tracker-1.msm8916.com. afaik, this is used by LineageOS. yet no mobile devices are on this subnet. what else could be requesting that? popcon?
825 [09:25:51] <fling> at0m: run tcpdump
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828 [09:26:26] <at0m> fling: that's exactly what i'm doing to see the request: tcpdump -vvv -s 0 -l -n port 53
829 [09:26:43] <at0m> any other switches i could feed it to see what programs is requesting?
830 [09:28:10] <babilen> fling: I honestly don't know and would be heartbroken if you break your box due to wrong advice given to you. I can assure you that *from the Debian side* there is no reason not to perform those upgrades
831 [09:31:32] <fling> hmm hmmmm
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833 [09:31:47] <fling> There is no deb package for octoprint anyway right?
834 [09:32:20] <babilen> Not in Debian, there might be third party packages
835 [09:32:27] <at0m> fling: no returns for apt search octoprint
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837 [09:34:10] <at0m> fling: what tcpdump switch would reveal the actual application sending the request?
838 [09:34:24] <at0m> not seeing anything in the manual
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846 [09:39:02] <fling> at0m: tcpdump will show you port numbers
847 [09:39:27] <fling> at0m: lsof will show you process names for these ports
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850 [09:43:07] <at0m> fling: cool, thanks. will check out on lsof =)
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852 [09:44:18] <xdruppi> it's really late here, didn't expect staying up late just to have fun with debian lol
853 [09:44:27] <xdruppi> i know nobody cares though heh
854 [09:44:54] <at0m> it almost 10AM where i'm at
855 [09:45:54] <xdruppi> hehe
856 [09:46:02] <xdruppi> its 5 am here
857 [09:46:04] <xdruppi> ok im going to sleep
858 [09:46:07] <xdruppi> bye debian people
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860 [09:46:19] <at0m> no such thing as "late" on the interwebs. it's always morning
861 [09:46:20] <at0m> nite
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864 [09:47:54] <fling> debian is not fun
865 [09:49:48] <PaddyF> why not?
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868 [09:50:21] <PaddyF> i forgot, i asked that already
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870 [09:51:10] <PaddyF> today i want to build another vps based on virtualbox. it will be exciting
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878 [09:55:49] <leorat> fling octoprint instructions > replaced-url
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890 [10:07:27] <no_gravity> Sometimes my ssh connection from my desktop to my laptop suddently hangs for 10s or so. I wonder how to debu this.
891 [10:07:32] <no_gravity> *debug
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968 [11:00:35] <chmd> Hi! When I list users in /etc/passwd, there is one called "proxy". Is it normal? How can I find the list of special users created by debian?
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970 [11:01:55] <chmd> it has uid 13, so I guess it is installed by the system
971 [11:02:58] <chmd> proxy:x:13:13:proxy:/bin:/usr/sbin/nologin
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977 [11:09:47] <simputer> @chmd It's okay, I have it on my Arch Linux as well
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983 [11:13:06] <chmd> simputer: I am not so worried about the user, I am more curious about what the system uses it for
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985 [11:13:28] <chmd> I wanted to create a user named proxy, to use for ssh tunneling
986 [11:13:54] <chmd> but I find out it is used already
987 [11:14:17] <chmd> so I would like to find out why it is there
988 [11:16:35] <simputer> Check this: replaced-url
989 [11:16:40] <simputer> @chmd
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991 [11:16:57] <simputer> chmd: proxy: Like daemon, this user and group is used by some daemons (specifically, proxy daemons) that don't have dedicated user id's and that need to own files. For example, group proxy is used by pdnsd, and squid runs as user proxy.
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998 [11:18:44] <simputer> chmd: I think it is viable to use it to execute commands, with permission to certain files.
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1017 [11:28:02] <madlex> Hi! Can you help me? I have a trouble with my xserver setting.I'm install nvidia-legacy driver from non-free source. My virtual tty don't work.
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1052 [11:49:43] <GhostReborn> hi
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1056 [11:50:27] <simputer> Hmm......
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1058 [11:50:40] <simputer> Seems like a usual come and go
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1071 [12:05:11] <spaceone> hi
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1073 [12:05:45] <spaceone> i have some trouble because a developer package destroyd my system (removed essential packages). i try to reinstall all packages, but one fails:
1074 [12:05:54] <spaceone> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/univention-bind_12.0.2-7A~4.3.0.201806251024_all.deb (--unpack):
1075 [12:05:54] <dpkg> spaceone: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
1076 [12:05:56] <spaceone> trying to overwrite '/lib/systemd/system/bind9.service', which is also in package bind9 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u4A~4.3.0.201803091039
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1078 [12:06:31] <spaceone> can i temporarily force dpkg or apt to ignore this?
1079 [12:06:36] <spaceone> and just overwrite the file?
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1085 [12:08:29] <BCMM> spaceone: ... so, do you have univention repos in your sources.list?
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1087 [12:09:06] <spaceone> BCMM: well, it destroyd all my sources.list entries. i recovered some mannuallly, so yes
1088 [12:09:25] <BCMM> spaceone: is your goal here to run debian, or to run UCS?
1089 [12:09:35] <spaceone> BCMM: UCS again
1090 [12:09:42] <spaceone> well basically first, debian
1091 [12:09:43] <BCMM> !based on
1092 [12:09:43] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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1096 [12:10:22] <BCMM> spaceone: it looks like the problem here is incompatibility between debian packages and UCS packages - if you want to run UCS, you should probably consult univention's support
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1099 [12:11:40] <spaceone> BCMM, yes, but i would like to solve this problem on my own somehow. the underlying mechanisms are still debian based
1100 [12:12:00] <BCMM> spaceone: the underlying mechanisms of most successful distros are debian based
1101 [12:12:08] <spaceone> yes
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1103 [12:13:01] <BCMM> but that doesn't mean that they are actually debian, or that they work the same as debian, or that they actually work properly at all
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1105 [12:13:29] <BCMM> you need somebody with knowledge of UCS to fix this
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1107 [12:14:13] <BCMM> my complete guess, as somebody who hasn't even used UCS, is that you're probably not supposed to install debian and then "upgrade" it to UCS, since univention has their own downloads on their web site
1108 [12:14:39] <spaceone> BCMM: i installed it as UCS
1109 [12:15:06] <spaceone> but okay, if i can't ask here, i am trying things further with the knowledge i have. thanks
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1112 [12:15:16] <BCMM> and you're trying to change your existing ucs install to pure debian, and then back in to ucs???
1113 [12:15:28] <spaceone> no
1114 [12:15:50] <spaceone> i installed a developper package, which removed univention-server-master (the essential package) which removed all essential files
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1119 [12:19:56] <spaceone> i have packages in the state 'ri'
1120 [12:20:01] <spaceone> i don't understand this
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1122 [12:20:10] <spaceone> how can they be removed and installed simultanously
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1133 [12:30:15] <Ede|Popede> happy sunday! what whould be a sane choice to use for fstab? here i have uuid (the installer did it for rootfs some day, so did i then), only i'd find it cleaner to use one of the ${disk}-partition* entries now for the other one. the 1TB has such a <part-uuid> (%8x-%02d), but not the 4TB.
1134 [12:30:16] <Ede|Popede> <by-id> looks good, only the 4TB come with wnn-$ID-part* entries, but neither 1TB (external) and the stick. they go with usb-*, while the internals have ata-*.
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1145 [12:36:22] <Ede|Popede> spaceone: no 'r' for column 1, but maybe replaced-url
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1148 [12:38:11] <Ede|Popede> great. did i break it now?
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1150 [12:38:55] <premoboss> hello,
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1152 [12:39:46] <premoboss> on my PC i have CLI that ran in language Italian (keyboard map, etc) but i will like to change to language English. How to do?
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1173 [12:53:13] <Ede|Popede> premoboss: do you have ibus? at least on xfce i had it after install, a button showing the keyboard layout of the moment (would be IT for you atm). unselect "use system settings" in its last options tab and select additional layouts. you switch them by default with Super-Space
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1175 [12:53:42] <Ede|Popede> and there's localectl
1176 [12:54:17] <premoboss> Ede|Popede, i am in pure CLI, no graphic at all.
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1180 [12:54:44] <Ede|Popede> premoboss: than localectl
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1182 [12:55:17] <premoboss> i see that "locale" command report methe situation, i need some "setlocal" equivalent commad.
1183 [12:55:25] <spaceone> Ede|Popede: thanks
1184 [12:55:36] <Ede|Popede> heh. lists C, de_DE, en_US for me. the ibus thing lets me switch between DE and RU. aha.
1185 [12:55:49] <spaceone> can i somehow force apt to download the pacakges, even if dependency conflicts prevent installing?
1186 [12:56:07] <spaceone> ah, apt-get download
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1209 [13:16:51] <fling> PaddyF: because I could always update gentoo from any version to the latest and it will not break despite of the installed software.
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1211 [13:18:10] <Ede|Popede> there's something strange with the fstab of the live system. unlike the one on an installed system which is nicely formatted from the start on, including comment lines, it is completely rudimentary. which would be ok, but: /dev/sda1 is mounted on / which a) goes against the whole /dev/disk/** approach and b) is incorrect per se. sda is one of the internal disks, the stick with the livesystem is plugged as sdc. now i have sda1 mounted twice.
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1239 [13:41:59] <PaddyF> thats the longest 1 sentence based conversation i had so far - thanks fling
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1257 [13:55:16] <fling> PaddyF: haha yw
1258 [13:55:23] <PaddyF> hahah
1259 [13:55:25] <kirk781> Hello PaddyF
1260 [13:55:32] <PaddyF> kirk781: _o/
1261 [13:55:33] <fling> PaddyF: I'm a debian noob
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1263 [13:55:50] <kirk781> If one is using Debian, one is already a noob
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1265 [13:56:02] <PaddyF> hey :P
1266 [13:56:04] <fling> kirk781: exactly!
1267 [13:56:27] <fling> Also ubuntu is an african word meaning something like gentoo is to hard for me.
1268 [13:56:29] <kirk781> PaddyF, As a proud Arch user, my opinions are good
1269 [13:56:33] <kirk781> fling, lol
1270 [13:56:40] <kirk781> fling, replace Ubuntu with Arch
1271 [13:56:49] <kirk781> Arch is for people who can't configure Gentoo
1272 [13:57:04] <fling> configure?
1273 [13:57:09] <fling> like kernel config?
1274 [13:57:30] <kirk781> fling, installation of the OS
1275 [13:57:46] <fling> ahh these things… not much really to config there
1276 [13:58:06] <fling> You can skip most of the steps and keep most of configs to default it will still work
1277 [13:58:47] <fling> genkernel will create a kernel for you which will work on most of the hardware without you editing kernel config etc
1278 [13:59:09] <PaddyF> lets move to #debian-offtopic maybe? :)
1279 [13:59:22] <fling> PaddyF: no! Let them know!
1280 [13:59:32] <PaddyF> the people here want pure support chatter :P
1281 [13:59:41] <kirk781> The best discussions of Linux channels usually occur when people are NOT discussing linux
1282 [13:59:45] <fling> So how do I figure out if this line -> deb [arch=armhf] replaced-url
1283 [13:59:57] <fling> in my sources.list will break my debian if I dist upgrade?
1284 [14:00:06] <PaddyF> wheezy?? why that?
1285 [14:00:12] <Ede|Popede> kirk781: do it, but don't scroll my question away :P
1286 [14:00:16] <fling> PaddyF: because it is what i have installed on bbb now
1287 [14:00:29] <PaddyF> you need oldoldstable repos
1288 [14:00:33] <PaddyF> my goodness
1289 [14:00:42] <fling> PaddyF: and as I can see this replaced-url
1290 [14:00:44] <kirk781> > oldoldstable
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1292 [14:00:51] <abrotman> you shouldn't need wheezy sources
1293 [14:00:56] <abrotman> but the software may not work
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1295 [14:01:25] <fling> abrotman: can you please cat the Packages and look what we are talking about?
1296 [14:01:35] <fling> abrotman: is it some kind of just a meta packages for the deps?
1297 [14:01:53] <fling> I'm not into apt thing, would like to know more about what is going on in it :P
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1301 [14:02:11] <fling> The first thing I need to know is what do I have installed from this source?
1302 [14:02:19] <fling> Can I list it easily?
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1306 [14:03:11] <abrotman> is there a deb-src repo?
1307 [14:03:37] <fling> Yes.
1308 [14:03:46] <fling> It is commented out
1309 [14:03:47] <abrotman> why would you wan tto build it?
1310 [14:04:09] <fling> To build what?
1311 [14:04:21] <abrotman> misread
1312 [14:04:25] <fling> ok :>
1313 [14:04:31] <abrotman> dpkg: tell fling about which repo
1314 [14:04:32] <coltkirk> really enjoying my switch to debian stable. i finally found the distro that i hope to use for the long haul
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1316 [14:04:50] <fling> I just wanted to install octoprint and then people told me I should first upgrade but I found this source in the list and…
1317 [14:04:55] <coltkirk> that i can customize it exactly how i want is so much fun
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1321 [14:07:00] <spaceone> i have 2 external repositories (weechat and bitlbee). if i do a regular debian dist-upgrade, should i deactivate them and upgrade these packages after the installation, or is it better to also dist-upgrade them at the same time?
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1323 [14:07:22] <fling> abrotman: nah, the other way around, I want to see what packages I have installed from a source.
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1326 [14:07:30] <abrotman> yes
1327 [14:07:38] <fling> Not which source is the package got installed from.
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1329 [14:08:09] <abrotman> more than one option there
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1331 [14:08:30] <fling> so you know you have weechat and bitlbee packages installed from their sources. I don't know what I have installed from replaced-url
1332 [14:08:44] <fling> (if any)
1333 [14:09:34] <fling> I always thought bbb guys did some magic in this image for usb slave, usb network, and cdrom/storage emulation to work
1334 [14:10:25] <fling> But this could have been just debian regular things properly configured for the magic to work ;P
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1338 [14:13:44] <fling> ok I found it out
1339 [14:14:36] <fling> dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}' | grep bbb -> replaced-url
1340 [14:14:36] <dpkg> No packages found matching | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}' | grep bbb -> replaced-url
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1342 [14:15:44] <fling> device-tree-compiler sounds crucial
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1344 [14:16:01] <fling> not going to update until I figure out what to do with it :>
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1347 [14:16:56] <fling> PaddyF: this is what I'm talking about ^
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1354 [14:20:43] <abrotman> fling: update to what?
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1372 [14:29:41] <jorick> how would i go about changing the hotkeys in a program i use often ? for some reason puredata does not respond to ctrl-shift-2 (using an AZERTY layout)
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1374 [14:31:45] <fling> abrotman: sorry I meant dist upgrade to stretch
1375 [14:32:12] <fling> abrotman: thanks for dpkg tip I used the oneliner and only added some grep
1376 [14:32:43] <ayekat> jorick: isn't ctrl-shift-2 on an azerty keyboard simply ctrl-2? (since shift-{the key that has "2" on it} is really just "2" on azerty)
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1378 [14:33:26] <jorick> further investigation has turned up that even LightDM (?) itself is ignoring the key combo .. i can set application shortcuts for shift-ctrl-1 through to 0, except 2.
1379 [14:33:29] <abrotman> fling: and you're actually using the beagleboard stuff?
1380 [14:33:37] <jorick> no i have to press shift for a 2, otherwise it's a é
1381 [14:33:56] <fling> abrotman: idk, it will not boot probably without the device tree thing
1382 [14:34:07] <ayekat> jorick: yes, that's what I mean - the numerals are on the secondary level in azerty
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1384 [14:34:23] <abrotman> fling: oh, this is a beagleboard system?
1385 [14:34:30] <abrotman> fling: did you read the package description?
1386 [14:34:47] <ayekat> jorick: what if you press ctrl-@? (shift-2 on qwerty is @)
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1388 [14:35:16] <fling> abrotman: not sure how to do this
1389 [14:35:27] <fling> abrotman: it is beaglebone black
1390 [14:35:30] <jorick> also doesn't work. i'm thinking if there is some kind of utility to dump keyboard input
1391 [14:35:44] <jorick> because it seems like ctrl-2 doesn't work anywhere
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1393 [14:37:11] <jorick> ayekat, if i run xev it's giving me events for ctr-1 and 3 but not 2
1394 [14:37:25] <ayekat> that's indeed odd
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1396 [14:38:47] <ayekat> jorick: does it give any other event than KeyPress, though?
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1400 [14:41:22] <jorick> yes and i just tested outside X and even there !! if i run vim in a tty and hit ctrl-shift 1 in insert mode it prints a 1, and 3 etc... all work. except ctrl-2
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1538 [16:00:40] <znoteer> I'm trying to retreive a message from the archives of debian-l10n-chinese. I sent an email to d-l10n-ch-request with the command "archive help" where I learn about the get command. I can't figure out what is meant by "filename" in the help answer I got back. I've tried all of "get msg00000.html", "get 2019/01/msg00000.html", and "get debian-l10n-chinese/2019/01/msg00000.html". They all return "file
1539 [16:00:42] <znoteer> <whatever> is currently not available" Can someone explain how to retreive a message from the list archives?
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1595 [16:22:56] <Kobaz> there's a system monitoring x-gui app i used to use forever ago, trying to find the name
1596 [16:23:24] <Kobaz> you can have it run at the root, or in a little window, it's like a thin sidebar type app
1597 [16:23:33] <Kobaz> monitors like cpu/processor/swap/etc
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1600 [16:25:04] <jhutchins> Does anyone know of a guide for setting up exim/dovecot to work with an android phone?
1601 [16:25:19] <Kobaz> mmm maybe it was gkrellm
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1604 [16:26:04] <joepublic> conky, whose complexity is legend, can do those things, Kobaz
1605 [16:26:14] <Wulf> jhutchins: there shouldn't be anything special needed
1606 [16:26:38] <Kobaz> mm yay
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1608 [16:27:15] <joepublic> *nod*
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1652 [16:46:16] <spaceone> when was systemd introduced in debian? 8? 9?
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1658 [16:48:34] <inch> 8
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1661 [16:50:11] <spaceone> thx
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1663 [16:50:34] <rant> dpkg, systemd?
1664 [16:50:35] <dpkg> systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". replaced-url
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1666 [16:51:34] <spaceone> i am just upgrading from 7 to 8
1667 [16:51:39] <rant> Version 8, Jessie was the first release to actually be using it OOTB but it was available in the prior release 7 Wheezy
1668 [16:51:55] <spaceone> okay
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1670 [16:52:17] <rant> spaceone: is this a production system?
1671 [16:52:22] <spaceone> yes
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1673 [16:52:39] <rant> spaceone: have you gone over the release notes and made sure upgrading is the right path?
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1675 [16:52:45] <spaceone> latex ofc is causing trouble...
1676 [16:52:51] <rant> heh
1677 [16:52:57] <spaceone> rant: i read replaced-url
1678 [16:53:22] <spaceone> what do you mean with right path?
1679 [16:53:35] <spaceone> i am ofc dist-upgrade it
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1681 [16:53:42] <rant> well I was just trying to make sure you didnt cause problems trying to solve them..
1682 [16:53:57] <rant> if you are relying on this machine for business
1683 [16:54:34] <dvs> from etch!?!
1684 [16:54:35] <spaceone> i wonder why latex is even installed here
1685 [16:54:43] <rant> of course we here in this channel always like to recommend our latest stable release, we also understand that production machines are often kept behind for various reasons
1686 [16:54:55] <spaceone> yes, i will upgrade after this to debian 9
1687 [16:55:08] <spaceone> but i think you cannot leave out a version?
1688 [16:55:30] <rant> yes the proper way is to upgrade each release to its next release
1689 [16:55:43] <spaceone> i will also do a reboot between them
1690 [16:55:45] <rant> its less painful if you dont get so far behind :P
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1693 [16:56:06] <rant> cause its something you only need to do about every 2 years give or take
1694 [16:56:08] <spaceone> dpkg: etch
1695 [16:56:08] <dpkg> Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. replaced-url
1696 [16:56:24] <spaceone> no, i never told debian 4, dvs
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1698 [16:56:29] <spaceone> debian 7
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1701 [16:57:15] <rant> I think it was around the Lenny era when we had all those issues with the dev structure changing.. hal,devfs,udev..
1702 [16:57:23] <rant> those transitions were rather painful
1703 [16:57:25] <dvs> ah, someone was upgrading from etch to stretch
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1705 [16:57:50] <rant> dpkg: directly or they actually read the release notes? :P
1706 [16:57:50] <dpkg> no idea, rant
1707 [16:57:59] <spaceone> in d8 there is also the apt with the prorgressbar, right?
1708 [16:58:05] <spaceone> i would like to see it the next time
1709 [16:59:00] <rant> spaceone: well apt is fairly new and different from apt-get or aptitude
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1711 [16:59:14] <rant> it has a lot of usability improvements like that
1712 [16:59:23] <rant> some of them I find rather annoying at times :P
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1716 [17:00:35] <rant> spaceone: but yes, Jessie is where the new apt command was introduced
1717 [17:00:42] <spaceone> okay
1718 [17:00:50] <spaceone> i like it so far
1719 [17:00:50] <rant> dpkg, apt?
1720 [17:00:50] <dpkg> Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>.
1721 [17:01:15] <spaceone> dpkg, 10?
1722 [17:01:15] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. replaced-url
1723 [17:01:26] <rant> spaceone: you are free to /msg dpkg while you are here.. you must be in a channel with the bot for it to respond, but as you can see it knows the answers to your questions thus far:P
1724 [17:01:50] <spaceone> okay
1725 [17:02:06] <spaceone> is the bot open source?
1726 [17:02:15] <rant> spaceone: use listkeys to search names of factoids and listvals to search contents
1727 [17:02:23] <rant> spaceone: it is
1728 [17:02:28] <rant> dpkg, what are you?
1729 [17:02:28] <dpkg> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
1730 [17:02:34] <rant> dpkg, infobot?
1731 [17:02:35] <dpkg> Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See replaced-url
1732 [17:02:51] <user37> good bot
1733 [17:02:55] <spaceone> okay, thanks
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1735 [17:03:17] <coltkirk> how might i prevent a socket process from loading upon startup
1736 [17:03:24] <rant> spaceone: just when using it for personal queries, use /msg dpkg or /query dpkg so not to congest the channel
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1738 [17:03:36] <spaceone> rant: yes, i already am in a query
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1742 [17:04:19] <rant> fwiw you can also hang out with dpkg and various other debian bots in #debian-bots
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1744 [17:04:55] <spaceone> i could also add my bot to that?
1745 [17:04:58] <rant> coltkirk: that would depend on the process and whats starting it I would imagine
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1748 [17:05:22] <rant> spaceone: you shouldnt add bots to channels you dont own on this network without permission from the channel operators
1749 [17:05:32] <spaceone> okay
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1751 [17:05:38] <spaceone> channel seems very empty
1752 [17:05:39] <joepublic> semi-interestingly, a spinoff of a spinoff called "Mint" separately wrote an "apt" command that is similar but not 100% compatible. If you install it thinking you have a "debian derivative" you find that you don't have debian's apt.
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1755 [17:06:01] <spaceone> i wonder how long texlive-fonts-extra still takes
1756 [17:06:02] <joepublic> bots thrive with little to no company. They don't mind.
1757 [17:06:07] <spaceone> to extract
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1759 [17:06:33] <rant> spaceone: yes its merely a place for testing the bots used here in the channel.. debhelper I believe is still an eggdrop, its used for channel maint. apt/dpkg/dselect are info bots for factoids and judd is a UDD bot for querying debian package information
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1761 [17:07:14] <spaceone> okay
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1763 [17:07:19] <rant> joepublic: hmm.. did they develop it before or after the debian one?
1764 [17:07:37] <rant> is it a totally different codebase and not a fork or something?
1765 [17:07:58] <joepublic> rant: I disremember. I do recall that there is no need to "sudo apt" with theirs, if performing an operation requiring sudo, it just asks for the password
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1767 [17:08:55] <rant> hmm..I used LMDE before.. I sometimes recommended it to newer users as I'm not a fan of ubuntu and LMDE is Mint with debian repos
1768 [17:09:14] <rant> I wasnt aware of this stuff though
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1770 [17:09:48] <rant> coltkirk: do you care to elaborate on your issue or are you running this down on your own?
1771 [17:10:08] <user37> guys, im going crazy here, i need some help. i dont know if i have an internet issue or a video issue or both, but things are not working (super slow and crashing). this is basically my last attempt before i just reinstall the OS.
1772 [17:11:08] <rant> user37: "things"? and have you considered a decent process monitor to see where the resource starvation may be occuring?
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1774 [17:11:25] <user37> im often waiting for TLS handshake in browser, or just waiting for site.com.... having issues playing videos in youtube, super laggy, loading webpages, everything.... and sometimes i just get logged off and lose everything
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1776 [17:11:36] * rant always keeps graphs of his systems vitals visible when using a GUI
1777 [17:11:57] <hsab> debian must have this feature replaced-url
1778 [17:11:58] <user37> rant, i use htop and the gnome system monitor to see usage
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1780 [17:12:14] <user37> what tools should i be using
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1782 [17:12:59] <user37> i have an 8core cpu and 16gb ram, resource usage is usually fairly low. i dont have info on video resources
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1784 [17:13:58] <user37> i did mess around with video drivers, and at one point uninstalling and reinstall xorg... this is why im considering just reinstalling debian
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1786 [17:14:12] <rant> user37: yes well TLS /can/ be rather cpu intensive.. what kind of CPU do you have?
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1788 [17:14:23] <user37> its an i7 4790
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1790 [17:14:41] <rant> yeah, that should not be sweating javascript, TLS, or any of that
1791 [17:14:42] <rant> heh
1792 [17:14:48] <rant> especially with 16G ram
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1794 [17:15:06] <user37> yeah, im waiting way too long for TLS handshakes in firefox. and chrome is crashing often too
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1796 [17:15:11] <user37> chromium*
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1798 [17:15:29] <rant> and network issues wouldnt typically cause actual browser crashes
1799 [17:15:30] <user37> right now i have a youtube video playing, its laggy as hell
1800 [17:15:52] <joepublic> What part of the handshake are you waiting on? Waiting on DNS so it can begin, waiting on network ferrying the chunks back and forth, waiting on computation?
1801 [17:15:59] <joepublic> So probably not DNS.
1802 [17:16:01] <rant> are you using stable, up-to-date? any 3rd party stuff in the mix?
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1805 [17:16:41] <spaceone> rant: do you have experience with dovecot being upgraded? i didn't look specifically for update noes for dovecot and postfix
1806 [17:16:43] <user37> rant, i believe i am using straight stable up to date. is there a way i can check?
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1808 [17:17:09] <rant> cause my father had been having lots of issues with his browser eating up his ram and slowing/locking his system and seems to be better after upgrading FF
1809 [17:17:12] <user37> joepublic, im not sure what part, can i check using the dev tools in ff? il try this now
1810 [17:17:36] <user37> (its not always crappy, about half the time it works fine)
1811 [17:17:40] <rant> spaceone: never used dovecotor postfix.. not a fan of email :P
1812 [17:17:50] <spaceone> okay
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1815 [17:18:05] <joepublic> heh great question. I do not believe that you can, actually, check down to that level in firefox. I would be personally troubleshooting this with things like curl and wget.
1816 [17:18:09] <diogenes_> user37, cat /etc/nsswitch.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
1817 [17:18:57] <rant> user37: well you could check things like apt policy, dpkg -l libc6, and such to see that you are using "straight up stable" and apt update && apt upgrade to see if you're up-to-date
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1821 [17:20:28] <user37> joepublic, i opened network tab on dev tools in ff and i have GET / for reddit.com and timedout after 30.72s
1822 [17:21:08] <spaceone> diogenes_: nice, is that a pastebin service? (the port seems closed)
1823 [17:21:12] <user37> diogenes_, couldnt pipe to nc, but here is results replaced-url
1824 [17:21:23] <rant> 30s seems like a rather short time for a timeout
1825 [17:21:37] <joepublic> yes, but what does wget -vvv replaced-url
1826 [17:21:40] <diogenes_> spaceyep
1827 [17:21:55] <joepublic> that tells you what it's trying to do and you can see how long each part takes
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1830 [17:22:16] <joepublic> instead of "Dude, after so and so long, I quit waiting on that slow thing"
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1832 [17:22:40] <user37> joepublic, response 301 redirect to 200 OK.... 2019-01-13 11:21:57 (515 KB/s) - ‘index.html’ saved [578140/578140]
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1835 [17:22:47] <diogenes_> user37, you could try to change this line:
1836 [17:22:48] <diogenes_> hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname
1837 [17:22:50] <diogenes_> to
1838 [17:22:57] <diogenes_> hosts: files mdns4_minimal resolve [NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname
1839 [17:23:01] <diogenes_> save reboot
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1841 [17:23:10] <joepublic> user37, so, in other words, no problem reaching the site, no problem handshake, no problem getting data from it?
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1844 [17:23:55] <rant> sounds like the problem is def in the browser or one of its dependencies
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1846 [17:24:27] <rant> I'd check on that making sure you have up-to-date Stretch packages, then try with a clean profile
1847 [17:24:42] <rant> could even be some extensions or something mucking crap up
1848 [17:25:12] <joepublic> try another browser temporarily? (qupzilla, say, or midori) just to be trying not-firefox?
1849 [17:25:13] <rant> loading the browser with a clean profile will rule things out
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1851 [17:25:30] <rant> well there was mention of chomium earlier
1852 [17:26:01] <jhutchins> Wulf: Android expects some sort of security, but dpkg-reconfigure doesn't ask any questions about ssl/tls/login.
1853 [17:26:04] <joepublic> missed that, sorry
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1855 [17:27:11] <Wulf> jhutchins: make sure to enable TLS
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1861 [17:32:09] <user37> i will try adding resolve to nsswitch and reboot like diogenes_ suggested. if that doesnt work i will probably just reinstall
1862 [17:33:31] <diogenes_> user37, also you could try to set ipv6 to ignore
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1864 [17:34:14] <user37> i actually did disable ipv6 earlier, as an attempt to solve
1865 [17:34:19] <user37> okay, rebooting, brb
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1868 [17:35:19] <coltkirk> having built polybar on debian, working fine. But i3bar continues to load upon startup, giving a grey error bar. I can kill it, but i can't find what is auto loading the i3bar process. I thought a "killall -q " command might be a workaround, but not yet.
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1877 [17:37:29] <user37> so it usually works okay after reboot for a while.... so i will have to wait and see what goes right, what goes wrong
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1882 [17:39:40] <diogenes_> user37, ok, so far it works fine?
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1889 [17:43:11] <user37> okay, so immediately after reboot i attempt to open libreoffice and it hung. i could move cursor, but ctrl alt f3, f4, f5 etc didnt work
1890 [17:43:37] <user37> now we are mostly back, working okay. i will see what happens after some usage
1891 [17:43:45] <user37> should i be checking logs and stuff? idk
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1897 [17:44:19] <rant> user37: are you familiar with system request?
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1900 [17:44:37] <user37> no, but i can familiarize myself
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1903 [17:45:12] <rant> user37: on most EN-US PC 104 ish kinda keyboards its the PrntScr key that is the Sysrq key, sometimes its marked, sometimes it isnt
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1906 [17:46:16] <rant> user37: the linux kernel responds to this, and can do a number of functions, the most commonly useful one is called a SAK, Alt+Sysrq+K and this tells the kernel to kill whatever is necessary to regain control basically
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1910 [17:46:48] <user37> okay, those keys on my keyboard are non functional im quite sure, damaged from water or alcohol
1911 [17:46:51] <rant> user37: it will usually result in killin your X session and putting you back to the login screen in situations like you describe, but you wont have to reboot and lose any logs or such
1912 [17:47:15] <user37> (yes, i know, i should acquire a functional keyboard)
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1914 [17:47:44] <user37> maybe this is what was happening when i suddenly got logged out... it happened a few times
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1918 [17:48:06] <coltkirk> i fixed my problem .. i3bar_command $HOME/.config/polybar/launch.sh goes in the config
1919 [17:48:25] <joepublic> At least your keyboard has them. I have some sort of apple keyboard I got from a thrift store. Nice touch, but no printscreen, no scroll lock, no pause key, etc. but hey, it has an open apple/option key
1920 [17:48:42] <user37> btw guys, i appreciate all the help
1921 [17:49:06] <joepublic> And F13 through F16 of course.
1922 [17:49:12] <rant> yeah, well in terms of figuring out how far out to lunch a machine is.. the mouse cursor is a first level indicator, it'll be come choppy/sluggish or unresponsive first.. then you can check things like the numlock light .. kerenl may flash that during a panic, and if you can still toggle it on/off thats a good sign.. then as you said things like trying to switch TTY.. and if none of that works the last line
1923 [17:49:18] <rant> is a sysrq.. this is a special function.. the kernel is suppose to respond to this no matter how hard the shit is hitting the fan as long as it has not totally crashed
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1925 [17:50:12] <rant> its a means to control things like flushing disk cache, rebooting, killing processes, etc when the fecal matter is coming in torrents at the air circulation devices propeller blades :P
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1933 [17:51:55] <user37> rant, the poet
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1937 [17:52:21] <rant> I'd lean more toward lunatic, but is there a difference?
1938 [17:52:50] <user37> okay, good to know. maybe i can map it to some other key or something in the meantime of getting a functioning keyboard
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1941 [17:53:17] <user37> alt+sysrq+k... il write that down
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1945 [17:53:28] <rant> yeah, well good luck with that.. I explored that before myself when all I had was a crappy keyboard which didnt have that key.. and I didnt have any luck figuring out how to do it
1946 [17:53:46] <spaceone> okay, apt just crashed. i resolved the reason, how should i continue the dist-upgrade?
1947 [17:53:53] <rant> ultimately for it to work you'd have to probably recompile the kernel.. cause remapping at a higher level wouldnt help when SHTF
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1949 [17:54:16] <rant> spaceone: were you still in the downloading or already in the dpkg unpacking/setting up phase?
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1951 [17:54:41] <spaceone> rant: unpacking, etc
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1953 [17:54:46] <spaceone> dpkg --configure -a
1954 [17:54:47] <dpkg> spaceone: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
1955 [17:54:49] <rant> cause you can just repeat your last command by pressing up and then enter, but if you were already unpacking that may just give an error
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1959 [17:55:09] <rant> yes, in which case you may want to try something like that command
1960 [17:55:14] <spaceone> ok
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1974 [18:03:09] <maxrazer> Does anyone know or know why nvenc is not enabled/option in obs-studio with the debian package? It is an option in Linux Mint and in Windows.
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1978 [18:03:43] <maxrazer> I'm using obs-studio and the only option is x264 software and also the preview and recording looks really blurry, which I'm not sure if it is related to the encoding option.
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1981 [18:04:57] <maxrazer> Also, I'm just learning about apt-src, however I believe it is not like FreeBSD where I run make and get compile options? For example to use Firefox without Pulse Audio it has to be compiled with that option.
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1983 [18:05:20] <maxrazer> I guess we can't have a binary package that is just firefox-ALSA
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2065 [18:37:41] <Ede|Popede> still wondering about that fstab entry on live. sda1 mounted to /, followed by overlay. though the system is on sdc. and sda/sdb are pure data disks.
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2071 [18:39:06] <spaceone> dist-upgrade is finished ^^ nice
2072 [18:39:14] <spaceone> dist-upgrade is finished ^^ nice
2073 [18:40:07] <g0zzy> I get a permission denied when i try to write to write to a directory mounted via fuse. It has group write perms and i'm a member of that group. I've even synced the id of the users and groups on both source and target. No dice
2074 [18:40:37] <g0zzy> mkdir: cannot create directory ‘h/home/duck/household/delme’: Permission denied
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2122 [19:10:03] <pyex> how i can see .sh files content like archive manager?
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2129 [19:15:08] <joepublic> Unable to parse. "Like archive manager sees them"? "How to view their content from within archive manager?" Apologies for the denseness.
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2133 [19:18:36] <rant> maxrazer: everything works with pulseaudio here. because pulse is enabled via alsa as the default
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2135 [19:20:19] <rant> maxrazer: as for someone who might know why something isn't enabled in a package, the maintainer would surely know.. their email address is in the package info header. You can also perhaps check the changelog or accompanying documentation in /usr/share/doc/<package> you will see at least usually a README.Debian or such file that usually contains info specific to the debian package of that source
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2139 [19:22:35] <rant> maxrazer: I am not familiar with this nvenc, but being nvidia I suspect that lisc is the issue.. in order to be included in main, a package cannot require anything that is not DFSG compatably lisc.. the maintainer may have felt that they didnt want the package itself having to be moved to contrib simply because of this, or something like that
2140 [19:24:05] * rant re-reads that and notices it says WITHOUT PulseAudio
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2145 [19:25:41] <rant> I thought you were asking if something would work with pulse.. though I find it idiotic that anything wouldnt work without it :P
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2147 [19:26:18] <spaceone> libc seems not compatible with my kernel version but dist-upgrade will not install a new kernel
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2149 [19:26:39] <spaceone> hm, i don't see why there isn't a new kernel in the pacakge list
2150 [19:26:42] <rant> ,depends firefox-esr
2151 [19:26:43] <judd> Package firefox-esr in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.18), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libevent-2.0-5 (>= 2.0.10-stable), libffi6 (>= 3.0.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.11), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8),
2152 [19:26:44] <judd> libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.0.0), libjsoncpp1 (>= 1.7.4), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8), libstdc++6 (>= 6), libvpx4 (>= 1.6.0), libx11-6, libx11-xcb1, libxcb-shm0, libxcb1, libxcomposite1 (>= 1:0.3-1), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6, libxfixes3, libxrender1, libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.3.4), fontconfig, procps, debianutils (>= 1.16).
2153 [19:27:02] <rant> maxrazer: I see libasound in there for dependencies but no pulseaudio deps..
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2155 [19:27:34] <rant> spaceone: you were doing the Wheezy->Jessie right?
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2158 [19:28:37] <spaceone> rant: no, i already started the jessie → stretch
2159 [19:28:46] <rant> ah, well that makes sense
2160 [19:29:02] <rant> spaceone: you mentioned I believe earlier reading the jessie release notes, did you also read the stretch release notes?
2161 [19:29:26] <spaceone> rant: they seem to be very similar, so i only read it fast
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2164 [19:30:13] <rant> spaceone: heh, well this is probably why you had problems
2165 [19:30:19] <spaceone> :-D yes
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2167 [19:30:32] <rant> spaceone: I did jessie->stretch not long ago and this all sounded familiar to me, and its in the release notes
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2169 [19:31:13] <spaceone> chapter 4.6.1 ?
2170 [19:31:27] <spaceone> Installing a kernel metapackage
2171 [19:31:28] <rant> spaceone: but if you really need some help, thats kinda why we're here.. but you need to give more information when talking about packaging issues
2172 [19:31:31] <rant> dpkg, bat
2173 [19:31:31] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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2177 [19:32:29] <spaceone> yes, i will read the release notes now and come back then
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2181 [19:34:55] <rant> spaceone: well that usually doesnt hurt to read them but its kinda irrelevant now.. you're already in the shit :P
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2183 [19:35:25] <rant> those are things you're suppose to read BEFORE you go installing/upgrading to the release.. they're not instructions how to get out of mess you encounter from having not read them :P
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2187 [19:36:22] <spaceone> rant: is it a serious problem now?
2188 [19:36:33] <spaceone> i think i can upgrade the kernel afterwards
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2193 [19:38:06] <LtL> spaceone: unless you have a reason to use a newer kernel, it's not typically necessary.
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2195 [19:38:27] <rant> spaceone: no, its just that a dist upgrade should and used to many times go off without a hitch.. no reading required, just change sources list, update, dist-upgrade.. but when there are big changes like hal, devfs, udev, systemd, etc are some big ones we had since I been here.. there are usually helpful infos in the release notes and most of it is prepatory work to avoid the disasters..
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2197 [19:38:50] <rant> ,kernels
2198 [19:38:51] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.13-1); buster: 4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.18.20-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
2199 [19:38:52] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
2200 [19:38:58] <spaceone> yes
2201 [19:39:16] <rant> that all depends on what kernel you currentl have since you were originally on Wheezy and are not going to Stretch
2202 [19:40:01] <rant> wheeze was 3.2, jessie and stretch however, both using systemd and a far more modern kernel
2203 [19:40:12] <spaceone> 2.6.32-042stab134.8
2204 [19:40:18] <rant> :-O
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2206 [19:40:36] <rant> and where the heck did you get that from?
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2210 [19:40:57] <spaceone> it was the one installed by default
2211 [19:41:01] <rant> from what?
2212 [19:41:07] <rant> is this a VM?
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2214 [19:41:13] <rant> thats not a debian kernel version number
2215 [19:41:14] <spaceone> it's a strato server
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2217 [19:41:21] <spaceone> Vserver
2218 [19:41:34] <spaceone> so yes, a VM probably
2219 [19:41:49] <bites> looks like openvz
2220 [19:41:57] <rant> and sounds like you may have problems to me
2221 [19:42:00] <bites> container not a full vm.
2222 [19:42:06] <spaceone> jeah
2223 [19:42:07] <rant> I'm no expert on this kinda thing
2224 [19:42:11] <spaceone> not sure how they handle things
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2226 [19:42:15] <bites> so you are not going to upgrade that kernel.
2227 [19:42:28] <spaceone> i will, after the dist-upgrade
2228 [19:42:34] <bites> there is the warning, but stretch will run on an openvz kernel.
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2230 [19:42:48] <spaceone> okay
2231 [19:43:07] <rant> bites: but on a 2.6 era one?
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2233 [19:43:34] <bites> that's what openvz uses. it's a patched RHEL kernel that's still supported.
2234 [19:43:43] <bites> openvz 6 i believe.
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2236 [19:43:59] <joepublic> well, for certain values of "supported"
2237 [19:44:01] <rant> yikes..
2238 [19:44:18] <joepublic> cat /proc/cpuinfo and see whether it mentions spectre, meltdown, etc., for example
2239 [19:44:22] <spaceone> and btw, the release notes suggest to install a linux-image-*-meta package, but my sources don't have such one
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2241 [19:44:49] <joepublic> (Hint for those who don't have one handy to test: No, it doesn't know about any recently-discovered exploits)
2242 [19:44:51] <spaceone> ah, there is linux-image-amd64
2243 [19:44:53] <rant> it'd be something like linux-image-amd64 or such
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2245 [19:45:04] <spaceone> yes
2246 [19:45:49] <joepublic> If you are in an openvz, you can't upgrade your kernel because you aren't running a kernel; your host is.
2247 [19:46:05] <xdruppi> is it a bad idea to install pip3 on my system?, and install pip3 packages?
2248 [19:46:08] <joepublic> dpkg -l |grep linux-image will probably come up clean and empty
2249 [19:46:08] <dpkg> No packages found matching |grep linux-image will probably come up clean and empty
2250 [19:46:12] <xdruppi> i mean is it going to break?
2251 [19:46:12] <joepublic> not you
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2257 [19:46:54] <spaceone> joepublic: yes, no linux-image installed :)
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2262 [19:47:55] <spaceone> iU linux-base 4.5
2263 [19:47:57] <spaceone> only this
2264 [19:47:59] <joepublic> here is the quandry for upgrading to stretch with an openvz kernel: Any package that requires features introduced in the last century, like cgroups, is going to have problems when it doesn't find them on the 2.6 kernel.
2265 [19:48:14] <rant> xdruppi: bad ideas are usually involved in use of pip in my opinion :P
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2268 [19:48:24] <xdruppi> rant: what do you mean
2269 [19:48:36] <spaceone> joepublic: does uname -r then show the kernel of the parent system?
2270 [19:48:37] <xdruppi> i just want to use some pip packages
2271 [19:48:56] <rant> xdruppi: it was designed to be an easy way to install you some python modules but its really a mess that more often than not causes problems
2272 [19:49:01] <spaceone> xdruppi: did you check that they aren't available in your package manager?
2273 [19:49:04] <jmcnaught> xdruppi: don't use pip as root, use it as a regular unprivileged user in a venv and you'll be fine
2274 [19:49:09] <joepublic> spaceone, if your VPS is running under openvz, the host kernel *is* your local kernel.
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2276 [19:49:22] <spaceone> joepublic: okay
2277 [19:49:44] <joepublic> openvz containers always seem to be less expensive, too, for some reason
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2279 [19:50:13] <rant> xdruppi: yes, follow ALL that advice.. exhaust possibilities of things already packaged first, then use virtualenv and unpriv user if you absolutely must use pip
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2291 [20:02:07] <rant> ok, this has annoyed me long enough.. I switched from MATE to XFCE a while back and I swear before in MATE I never bothered switching my audio.. when I plugged in hdmi, it switched to hdmi, when I unplugged it it went back.. now I keep having to click on this applet open pavucontrol and only thing I see is switching it on a per-app basis so I gotta do it for each app I play sound with.
2292 [20:02:52] <rant> anyone have any suggestions on either a simple way to switch ALL audio to/from HDMI via pulseaudio in XFCE or have it happen automatically when the HDMI is plugged in?
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2320 [20:23:09] <HeXiLeD> need to do an update to the latest stable fluxbox 1.3.7. Which repo might have it ? (stretch)
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2327 [20:26:22] * HeXiLeD got it
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2329 [20:27:04] <rant> ,v fluxbox
2330 [20:27:05] <jmcnaught> ,v fluxbox
2331 [20:27:06] <judd> Package: fluxbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.2-4; jessie: 1.3.5-2; buster: 1.3.5-2+b2; sid: 1.3.5-2+b2; stretch: 1.3.5-2+b2; experimental: 1.3.7-1~exp1
2332 [20:27:07] <judd> Package: fluxbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.2-4; jessie: 1.3.5-2; buster: 1.3.5-2+b2; sid: 1.3.5-2+b2; stretch: 1.3.5-2+b2; experimental: 1.3.7-1~exp1
2333 [20:27:14] <Gigglebyte> I am experiencing difficulty in attaching an email to Thunderbird after changing a file name. The most recent file name takes a long time to show up in Thunderbird's attachment list and wondering if there is anything I can do about this? This is slowing me down. Is this a bug? Or something else? The file name is changed in my directory. I am running Debian stable which is relatively recent.
2334 [20:27:34] <jmcnaught> HeXiLeD: hopefully you're not installing it from experimental, because that's ill advised
2335 [20:27:42] <rant> jmcnaught: I had pizza in one hand, whats your excuse? :P
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2345 [20:31:58] <HeXiLeD> ill advised too for sure.
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2347 [20:32:58] * spaceone reboot :)
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2360 [20:41:02] <xaero> hi, how well does SELinux work on debian?
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2372 [20:45:52] <SpeedyG> xaero: in general it should work quite well from what ive heard
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2376 [20:48:40] <SwedeMike> xaero: I know people who use it and have done this for 5-10 years
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2382 [20:49:56] <nix_bot> hello, any xscreensaver users here?
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2384 [20:50:20] <nix_bot> it seems to be painfully laggy while you type the command in the terminal
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2386 [20:50:30] <nix_bot> like, it takes a second to actually run
2387 [20:51:01] <m_g_lewis> In Debian 9 Stretch how do I get bootlogd to work?
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2391 [20:51:40] <joepublic> I am pretty sure that there is 90+% overlap between the group of X users and the group of xscreensaver users
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2396 [20:55:58] <at0m> nix_bot: laggy for a second, for a thing that's supposed to come in action after you been afk for 30mins? you must be the first to notice. ;p
2397 [20:56:28] <nix_bot> at0m: what are you on about
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2400 [20:57:57] * joepublic guesses the screen saver thing, based on clues like "after you been afk 30 minutes"
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2402 [20:59:37] <at0m> yea. screensaver is not usually the thing that i would mind an extra second of lag. i often do realtime audio on this machine, that breaks down when 1-2ms of buffer don't get filled in time.
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2404 [21:00:09] <jmcnaught> m_g_lewis: if you need to see early boot messages in Debian 9 you can use "journalctl -b"
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2406 [21:01:06] <m_g_lewis> jmcnaught: OK, thanks...
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2414 [21:05:09] <Kobaz> anyone familiar with mrxvt? I
2415 [21:05:23] <at0m> dpkg: tell Kobaz about anyone
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2417 [21:05:54] <Kobaz> 'm having an issue where about 50-70% of the time when i pop open a term, then my text doesn't show (completely blank) seems like an Xft init issue
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2420 [21:08:22] <Kobaz> at0m: you're a little quick on the trigger there
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2423 [21:09:22] <at0m> Kobaz: seems i was indeed. with hindsight, I could have noticed the appended "I" to your question
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2425 [21:10:00] <Kobaz> my pinky goes down sometimes when i hit keys on the lower right side, like the 'm'
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2427 [21:10:15] <joepublic> It's likely that people familiar with mrxvt exist.
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2429 [21:10:17] <at0m> yea figured
2430 [21:10:23] <Kobaz> joepublic: it is!
2431 [21:10:31] <Kobaz> joepublic: i'm hoping to find some of them....
2432 [21:10:34] <joepublic> !next
2433 [21:10:34] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
2434 [21:10:44] <joepublic> lol
2435 [21:11:01] <joepublic> good luck, and I apologize for not being such a person
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2437 [21:11:25] <Kobaz> and my plugin for terminator that dumps the scrollback to a file isn't working
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2439 [21:11:37] <Texou> hi
2440 [21:11:40] <Kobaz> so i'm kind of stuck. don't really have a terminal I can use properly
2441 [21:12:27] <Texou> using mate, when I insert a USB stick, I am requested the root passwd and the user cannot write permission. How does it work with Mate on Sid?
2442 [21:12:38] <Kobaz> what's a mate
2443 [21:12:45] <Texou> note it does the same in stretch
2444 [21:12:48] <joepublic> mate is a fork of GNOME 2
2445 [21:12:59] <Kobaz> interesting
2446 [21:13:11] <Kobaz> what's the main differences between that and mainline?
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2449 [21:14:22] <joepublic> mate (pronounced MAH tay, after a south american beverage) is maintained and useful, whereas GNOME 2 isn't.
2450 [21:14:32] <Kobaz> haha
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2453 [21:15:15] <Kobaz> so for people who don't like 3
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2456 [21:15:28] <joepublic> I guess so.
2457 [21:15:35] <Kobaz> i just use awesomewm
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2460 [21:15:44] <spaceone> nice action.. sshd didn't start...
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2462 [21:16:01] <at0m> spaceone: locally, i may hope?
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2465 [21:16:31] <spaceone> at0m: no, remote
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2467 [21:17:08] <spaceone> at least there was a recoevery system, it was just a duplicated line in the sshd_config
2468 [21:17:13] <spaceone> fixed, works now
2469 [21:17:23] <spaceone> as you can see as i am online agin
2470 [21:17:26] <t3st3r> <Kobaz> what's the main differences between that and mainline? <- Gnome 2 no longer exists as mainline :)
2471 [21:17:34] <at0m> spaceone: oh ok. had the same on one of my machines here lately.. i should check again
2472 [21:17:54] <Kobaz> fair enough, heh
2473 [21:17:56] <t3st3r> and gnome 3, gtk3 and so on are considerably different beasts.
2474 [21:17:59] <Kobaz> so hmm
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2476 [21:18:34] <joepublic> The same folks also maintain "cinnamon", a fork of GNOME 3
2477 [21:18:40] <at0m> (one of the rpi's, i changed the "wait for network on boot" param, i suspect that borken the sshd)
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2479 [21:19:00] <joepublic> As far as I know, there is not an unexpected pronounciation of the word "Cinnamon" -- it's just the name of a familiar spice
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2490 [21:21:42] <Kobaz> soooo, mm, who'se familiar with terminator plugins? trying to use: replaced-url
2491 [21:21:47] <Kobaz> it was loading... now it's not
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2494 [21:22:09] <nix_bot> any xscreensaver users here?
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2496 [21:22:58] <joepublic> What would surprise me would be people that don't use xscreensaver on at least one machine.
2497 [21:23:13] <at0m> ^
2498 [21:23:24] <Kobaz> i used to
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2500 [21:23:26] <Kobaz> does that count
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2503 [21:24:48] <Kobaz> see, how mrxvt works
2504 [21:24:51] <Kobaz> wtf, ugh
2505 [21:25:05] <Kobaz> s/how/now
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2509 [21:27:57] <Kobaz> yay
2510 [21:28:00] <Kobaz> iLO 4 Standard 1.51 at Jun 16 2014
2511 [21:29:05] <joepublic> I have a couple *headless* machines here running xscreensaver that blanks out the VNC display
2512 [21:29:14] <Kobaz> right
2513 [21:29:16] <Kobaz> that makes sense
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2524 [21:37:18] <at0m> i never understood screensavers other than blanking screen. maybe in the days of CRT, when someone worked same app most of the time and opted for a mins time-out, some slideshow or fishtank was better than putting the monitor to sleep. idk.
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2526 [21:37:55] <at0m> much of those screensavers were more cpu-friers.
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2531 [21:40:59] <rwp> Back in the day monitors had no power saving features and no ability to blank either. They were either on or off. And screensavers would keep the pixels from getting burned.
2532 [21:41:11] <t3st3r> guess most logical screensave could be display suspend - it even downclocks GPU eventually
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2534 [21:41:12] <rwp> Even LCD monitors exhibit a type of screen burn.
2535 [21:41:48] <t3st3r> yet yes, after displaying high-contrast pattern on LCD one can eventually spot some remains of it for some time.
2536 [21:41:49] <rwp> But these days I use dpms power saving suspend on them. Save the power.
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2538 [21:42:12] <Kobaz> ugh
2539 [21:42:17] <at0m> t3st3r: yea indeed. even dpms i had on these CRT's.
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2541 [21:42:20] <Kobaz> i need to reset iLo but i can't log in since iLo is messed up
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2543 [21:42:49] <rwp> Kobaz, Ugh indeed then.
2544 [21:42:57] <at0m> iLo ?
2545 [21:43:01] <Kobaz> HPONCFG maybe
2546 [21:43:10] <Kobaz> HP Integrated Lights Out... their version of IPMI
2547 [21:43:16] <t3st3r> <Kobaz> i need to reset iLo but i can't log in since iLo is messed up <- sounds like pkunzip.zip kind of thing.
2548 [21:43:18] <rwp> replaced-url
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2550 [21:43:31] <Kobaz> haha pkunzip
2551 [21:43:41] <Kobaz> i remember that problem
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2553 [21:45:41] <at0m> my first CD-ROM drive had drivers on CD.
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2557 [21:46:10] <Kobaz> my first cd rom drive took a month to get working
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2559 [21:46:15] <hanasaki> how do I get an invite to debian-next about buster?
2560 [21:46:20] <Kobaz> IRQ/DMA/IO jumpers
2561 [21:46:22] <whislock> hanasaki: By reading.
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2563 [21:46:24] <whislock> !testing
2564 [21:46:25] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
2565 [21:47:17] <at0m> Kobaz: oh, that, too. and yea a month won't be far off, to find someone who had a working CD-ROM drive to copy the drivers to floppy for me
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2568 [21:48:42] <rwp> hanasaki, Make sure you tried to /join #debian-next on OFTC not Freenode. That is the most common issue.
2569 [21:49:33] <noahmg123> Is there any significant difference between GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_osi= acpi_backlight=vendor" and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor"?
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2571 [21:51:33] <hanasaki> thanks whislock rwp : hmm using pidgin for IRC client. no window comes up when the server connects... how do I msg nickserv w/o a window open? I need to register
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2574 [21:52:03] <hanasaki> oops... back
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2578 [21:53:11] <rwp> Hmm... I am trying to load the reference site. But it is going to time out. Making it hard for me to refer you to it.
2579 [21:53:14] <at0m> wow i dont have pidgin anymore here. from what i remember, chat > new. or add nickserv to buddylist then msg from there
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2583 [21:53:59] <joepublic> I think step one should be "1. don't use pidgin for irc"
2584 [21:54:14] <joepublic> but many others disagree, and, after all, I have been wrong before
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2586 [21:54:38] <hanasaki> freenode does a ctcp version so a window pops up that I can nickserv identify in... oftc doesn't
2587 [21:54:51] <at0m> biggest issue i had w pidgin for irc, was closing the window inadvertedly. Ctrl-w to erase last typed word? closes window
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2589 [21:55:04] <hanasaki> OK.. not to start a wAR... what irc clients do you guys like? prefer cross platform / mac/win/lin
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2591 [21:55:29] <D1rt3M0nE> Hi kids - easy question for you dudes I suspect - I configured a static ip for my eth0, but when I switch to wireless, it still tries to use the static IP. Networking Service shows the proper wireless IP... but if I try to ping, I see it's trying to use the inactive int. Have tried restarting Networking.service, but that's not it... what am I missing?
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2593 [21:55:41] <joepublic> I am using hexchat not because I love it (it's not bad), but because it has windows where you'd expect them
2594 [21:55:55] <joepublic> no idea how many operating system families it supports, though
2595 [21:56:05] <at0m> hanasaki: pidgin, adium on mac (both gaim forks) are ok for occasional use, i'd say
2596 [21:56:15] <rant> joepublic: in the walls where the provide good natural light?
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2598 [21:56:47] <joepublic> rant, exactly -- it lets everything in that you'd expect.
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2600 [21:56:57] <hanasaki> lol.. or where you expect?
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2603 [21:57:32] <hanasaki> can you think of any reason why the gnome screen lock setting says ON yet is grey/inactive and I cannot set it? Also the auto screen lock does not come on itself
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2608 [21:59:27] <hanasaki> why hexchat over xchat?
2609 [21:59:33] <t3st3r> as for iLO ppl claim that if you still can access its web you can try to change net settings - at applying them iLO would reboot
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2611 [21:59:49] <rant> I can't think of any reason someone would use Gnome.. ever since Gnome3 came out, lack of documentation and settings has been its new key featureset aside from looking like total crap and being annoying to use
2612 [21:59:58] <rwp> hanasaki, I would imagine that if the screenlocker coponents were not installed then the switch to turn it on would be grey'd out.
2613 [22:00:08] <rwp> *components
2614 [22:00:16] <t3st3r> hanasaki> hexchat seems to be somewhat less abandoned and a bit more featured. Just that.
2615 [22:00:36] <hanasaki> rant: what do you use for a gui?
2616 [22:00:40] <whislock> rant: You might want to rephrase that to "I can't think of any reason I would use Gnome." You don't really speak for anyone but yourself.
2617 [22:00:43] <rwp> xchat was quite popular but as I understand it more current development is happening with the hexchat fork of it.
2618 [22:01:05] <rant> hanasaki: I'm still trying to find something I can tolerate totally.. but I used MATE for awhile and been on XFCE lately
2619 [22:01:09] <rwp> "XChat's main source code tree has not received any patches since 2013." replaced-url
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2622 [22:01:33] <hanasaki> xfce is good for lower ram consuption
2623 [22:01:36] <rant> hanasaki: idk if you're new to all this, but MATE is a fork of Gnome 2.x back when it had settings
2624 [22:01:42] <t3st3r> xchat somehow gone abandoned by its main author as far as I know.
2625 [22:01:49] <hanasaki> right .. like ciniman
2626 [22:02:02] <rant> hanasaki: when you could just right click stuff and configure it.. and it had documentation too.. novel idea really..
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2629 [22:02:48] <t3st3r> realistically I would call xchat/hexchat and kvirc as those things I like. Though debian build of KVIrc is odd and pulls whole KDE libs.
2630 [22:02:59] <rant> then they decided to move things forward to a really annoying new UI where everything was more difficult and ugly and take away the ability to intuitively configure it, and the documentation to tell you how
2631 [22:03:18] <t3st3r> though KVIrc on its own could be built without KDE - so it cold be fine even in GTK environments like XFCE. But one have to build it itself :\
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2633 [22:03:32] <rwp> Debian packages tend to enable everything possible so as to leave no one out. That tends to pull in the maximum cone of dependencies. But then everything is there.
2634 [22:03:42] <t3st3r> not really sure why Debian always packaged it like this - but it up to strange maintainers.
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2636 [22:04:16] <rwp> And then for those of us who believe less is more there are packages like emacs-nox built specifically without part of that cone. For emacs-nox it is without X graphics for ssh only use.
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2638 [22:04:30] <t3st3r> rwp somehow it seems it got at least partially reconsidered - so now say VLC in testing split to parts and no longer pulls all kinds of horrors :D
2639 [22:05:34] <rwp> I have not used KVIrc and am unfamiliar with it or its history.
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2641 [22:05:48] <t3st3r> earlier it attempted to pull crap like Winblows runtime emulation libs to keep some Remote DE happy. Now it fortunately just some optional plugin.
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2643 [22:06:06] <t3st3r> kvirc is very powerful Qt-based client.
2644 [22:06:22] <rwp> My IRC environment is quite old and I need to refresh it. Therefore I can't really recommend it.
2645 [22:06:25] <rwp> But I am aiming toward testing weechat as that feels like the best match for me.
2646 [22:06:45] <t3st3r> it also got builtin scripting and some advanced features.
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2648 [22:07:08] <at0m> so many on weechat.. feeling like a dino with this irssi. in shape though.
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2650 [22:07:23] <rwp> at0m, I am using irssi at this time!
2651 [22:07:24] <hanasaki> what package should be installed for the screen lock in debian gnome?
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2653 [22:07:52] <at0m> rwp: then why bother learning weechat? you've already got the client of the future!
2654 [22:08:10] <hanasaki> thank you
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2657 [22:08:30] <littlebit2> hi people, is there a way how to install npm?
2658 [22:09:23] <bites> littlebit2: upstream nodejs debian package.
2659 [22:09:26] <t3st3r> hum, apt-get install npm I guess
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2661 [22:10:11] <t3st3r> ahh you need testing or backports for that
2662 [22:10:12] <bites> or apparently npm is in stretch-backports now.
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2664 [22:11:52] <littlebit2> bites: how do you do that?
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2666 [22:12:42] <rwp> littlebit2, replaced-url
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2669 [22:14:48] <littlebit2> bites: thx
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2671 [22:19:48] <hanasaki> gnome-screensaver is installed however does not activate and the settings page for it is all grey/disabled
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2692 [22:34:27] <Kobaz> hah, always scary
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2694 [22:34:32] <Kobaz> no ilo, pushing a new kernel update
2695 [22:34:38] <Kobaz> it boots
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2698 [22:35:45] <Kobaz> Rebooting the Management Processor...This takes upto 60 seconds.
2699 [22:35:46] <Kobaz> yaaaay
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2707 [22:39:16] <Kobaz> yaaaaay ilo
2708 [22:39:29] <rwp> Congratulations Kobaz! On not getting locked out of the remote upgrade.
2709 [22:39:45] <Kobaz> haha yeah
2710 [22:39:50] <Kobaz> sunday night upgrades, ftw
2711 [22:40:01] <Kobaz> usually this goes much better, but... this is old
2712 [22:40:47] <Kobaz> but, this is the production-backup server, so
2713 [22:41:03] <Kobaz> it could be down until monday morning when someone gets in and could poke the console
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2717 [22:42:09] <rwp> iLO is super nice to have available. But comforting that it is a system that could be down until Monday too.
2718 [22:42:14] <Kobaz> time to upgrade iLO from 1.51 to 1.88
2719 [22:42:34] <Kobaz> it'll be nice to not have to use ie 6 to get into this box
2720 [22:42:55] <rwp> That is the one thing burned into my brain. Seems every iLO system I ever used needed to have iLO upgraded before I could use it.
2721 [22:43:21] <Kobaz> yeah
2722 [22:43:27] <Kobaz> well, it was brand new when the system was put in
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2730 [22:50:32] <Kobaz> but, yeah pretty common
2731 [22:50:48] <Kobaz> Polycom, Ubiquity, HP, Dell... usually all the firmware is broken out of the box
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2733 [22:51:54] <Kobaz> polycom default firmware.. LLDP is completely broken and you need to manuall set up vlans. Ubiquity edgerouters firmwre is broken out of the box... doing firmware upgrades will wipe/lose the config
2734 [22:52:30] <Kobaz> HP iLO tls version is so old out of the box... and dell life cycle controller is usally braindead out of the box and needs to be manually upgraded
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2738 [22:53:38] <Kobaz> cisco is actually decent, but just old... juniper is meh out of the box
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2794 [23:33:05] <spaceone> dpkg: language
2795 [23:33:05] <dpkg> methinks language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a <kali> user joins. To the scientists, language is god. See <$lang>, <language per user>.
2796 [23:33:12] <spaceone> dpkg: apt language
2797 [23:33:13] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, spaceone
2798 [23:33:17] <spaceone> dpkg: LANG=C
2799 [23:33:18] <dpkg> i don't know, spaceone
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2802 [23:34:12] <abrotman> spaceone: what are you trying to do?
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2806 [23:35:17] <spaceone> abrotman: i want that the output of apt/dpkg is english
2807 [23:35:25] <spaceone> but export LANG=C doesn't work
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2811 [23:36:16] <abrotman> LANG=C command
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2816 [23:36:58] <spaceone> that is the same
2817 [23:37:01] <rant> and fwiw the factoid name is locales, as in listvals lang=c .. told you how to search and use /msg earlier :P
2818 [23:37:06] <abrotman> spaceone: what does it do?
2819 [23:37:17] <spaceone> it still prints stupid german
2820 [23:37:33] <rant> perhaps you dont have that locale available
2821 [23:37:38] <rant> which seems crazy..
2822 [23:37:48] <rant> but as I understand it, it can only use locales that have been generated
2823 [23:38:08] <rant> dpkg, locales
2824 [23:38:08] <dpkg> Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. replaced-url
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2826 [23:38:49] <rant> the other possibility is that the program in questio doesnt have localization strings for the language you desire
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2828 [23:39:04] <spaceone> apt has it
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2831 [23:39:18] <rant> trust, but verify :P
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2838 [23:42:33] <spaceone> i reconfigured, now having C, en_US, de_DE
2839 [23:42:41] <spaceone> but still german output
2840 [23:43:21] <rant> when you do the `LANG=C apt show apt`
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2843 [23:44:04] <spaceone> this seems to work (?), no german word
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2846 [23:44:16] <spaceone> LANG=C apt-get update -qq
2847 [23:44:19] <spaceone> E: Der Treiber für Methode /usr/lib/apt/methods/https konnte nicht gefunden werden.
2848 [23:46:06] <rant> idk I just did dpkg-reconfigure locales to add de_DE and apt, apt-cache both will not switch to german for me either
2849 [23:46:13] <rant> but lscpu output in german
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2851 [23:46:22] <rant> so apparently this is a thing :P
2852 [23:46:56] * rant tries something but goes to build a local for a language he knows better than german :P
2853 [23:47:04] <spaceone> hm
2854 [23:47:07] <spaceone> :-D
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2860 [23:49:03] <rant> nope, that didnt work either.. setting the default to spanish and starting a new shell
2861 [23:49:19] <rant> hmm.. odd
2862 [23:49:30] * rant checks the bts
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2866 [23:52:05] <ewew> Hi. I installed linux image from backports and the apt installed unsigned variant instead of amd64. Does anyone know why and how to counter it ?
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2868 [23:52:38] <ewew> I fear its controled by cpu flags which means my cpu is not suited for this version.
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2875 [23:55:54] <rant> spaceone: yes starting a new login shell allowed me to switch it to spanish
2876 [23:56:08] <spaceone> rant: okay, maybe this is my failure
2877 [23:56:13] <spaceone> i run everything in a tmux shell
2878 [23:56:20] <rant> just making a new shell instance didnt, but using a new login shell did
2879 [23:56:27] <spaceone> okay
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2881 [23:56:56] <johnfg> hi guys
2882 [23:56:58] <rant> apparently there is something odd about how apt reads the env
2883 [23:57:45] <johnfg> Am I right that php 7.0 is the latest most current version for debian 9 without going to a PPA?
2884 [23:57:55] <rant> ewew: nothing makes any sense about what you said.. you should just paste the exact command and output on paste.debian.net
2885 [23:58:20] <maxrazer> Anyone know why nvenc is disabled with ffmpeg? Not free software? I have to compile ffmpeg I think to use nvenc in obs-studio
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2887 [23:58:33] <ewew> apt install linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.1-amd installs linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.1-unsigned.
2888 [23:58:33] <rant> johnfg: you go to a ppa, you are gonna break your system and void your warrantyt, and lose your support
2889 [23:59:33] <pyex> hello, no space left on my dics please help me
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2891 [23:59:53] <rant> pyex: your rootfs?
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