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• 5[00:03:29] <greatgatsby> replaced-url
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• 12[00:06:21] <bleb> rwp: for now i'm trying to use my laptop as a router
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• 14[00:06:50] <bleb> or rather a wifi dongle
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• 17[00:07:39] <rwp> bleb, Glad to hear you have a solution that works for you.
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• 19[00:07:56] <bleb> i hope it does
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• 21[00:08:01] <deadrom> heya
• 22[00:09:20] <deadrom> ddrescue --force /dev/sda /dev/nvme0n1 to clone sata6g ssd (sda) to spanking new M.2/pcie4x ssd. started at 500MB/s as exepcted, then dropped to 100MB/s after 5min / 166GB
• 23[00:09:57] <mutante> i want to install npm from stretch-backports on stretch. i added the sources line.. i also added APT pinning to pin node* to stretch-backports.. but i cant get it right, i always have or the other dependency roblem with one of the gazillion node-* packages. is there maybe an example to follow
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• 26[00:10:03] <deadrom> how come? 500 read is ok, and the M.2 can write 1800.
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• 31[00:12:25] <rwp> deadrom, You _did_ use a ddrescue log file too, right? Please say that you did. :-}
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• 33[00:12:44] <deadrom> rwp: *blush*. no. forgot.
• 34[00:13:11] * rwp shakes my finger, tsk, tsk :-)
• 35[00:14:29] <rwp> I'm always suspicious of the write rates quoted on drives for their marketing. Bursts are high until cache is filled up. In steady state the rate always seems lower.
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• 37[00:15:25] <deadrom> well ok, but 100MB/s is very low. plus, it wrote 166GB well at 500. unless the live iso *caches* that much... would it..?
• 38[00:15:32] <rwp> mutante, If you just want it to get going then follow the backports instructions for the standard pinning and then use the apt-get -t stretch-backports target option.
• 39[00:16:09] <petn-randall> mutante: There's no need to pin anything. Just install it once with `-t stretch-backports`, and then it will stay current if you `apt upgrade`.
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• 45[00:17:17] <mutante> rwp: petn-randall: that's where i came from but then i got stuck and somebody told me "errors like "node-abbrev (>= 1.1.1~) but 1.0.9-1 is to be installed" are caused by the fact that npm needs 1.1.1, but the package is also in stable (in version 1.0.9) and the default priority doesn't install it. As such you'll need to add the following packages to the apt::pin " and a list of a bunch of packages
• 46[00:17:18] <rwp> deadrom, It wrote 166GB at speed and then slowed down? That is hard to understand.
• 47[00:17:23] <mutante> let me try to start over
• 48[00:17:32] <deadrom> rwp: ikr?
• 49[00:18:30] <petn-randall> mutante: That doesn't make sense. If there's a single package in *stretch* that depends on a package from stretch-backports, that would be a grave bug.
• 50[00:18:56] <petn-randall> ,v node-abbrev
• 51[00:18:58] <judd> Package: node-abbrev on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.5-2; stretch: 1.0.9-1; stretch-backports: 1.1.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.1.1-1; sid: 1.1.1-1
• 52[00:19:13] <rwp> When it comes to backports it is always best to follow the replaced-url
• 53[00:19:34] <mutante> thanks!, i will first clean up and start with these one more time from scratch
• 54[00:19:35] <petn-randall> mutante: It might be that node breaks older node-abbrev versions. In that case you need to install it from backports.
• 55[00:19:49] <petn-randall> *node from backports
• 56[00:20:01] <mutante> there was a list of like 20 node-* packages attached
• 57[00:20:12] <mutante> that i would have to pin to be installed from backports
• 58[00:20:19] <rwp> Probably if installing node-abbrev from backports will also need to install node from backports. And probably all of node-* too.
• 59[00:20:32] <mutante> i tried to pin node-*
• 60[00:20:50] <deadrom> rwp: replaced-url
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• 62[00:22:13] <rwp> I have a buddy that used to work in that group. (Past tense now.) I'll troll him and ask him what is happening under the hood...
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• 66[00:22:59] <petn-randall> !bat
• 67[00:22:59] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 69[00:23:19] <petn-randall> mutante: I guess it makes sense if you provide the info above for us to further debug this. ^^^
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• 71[00:23:42] <petn-randall> Might as well be that someone screwed up an upload in stretch-backports. That sometimes happens, too.
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• 73[00:26:13] <mutante> petn-randall: ok, cool, i will do that
• 74[00:26:28] <mutante> will be back soonish
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• 77[00:28:07] <petn-randall> mutante: Ok, see you in a bit.
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• 107[00:43:32] <mutante> petn-randall: replaced-url
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• 114[00:48:26] <petn-randall> mutante: Ah, you might have conflicting packages installed. Try `apt install -t stretch-backports node-cacache`, and then it might complain about another package. Try to install with `apt install -t stretch-backports <foo>`, and repeat until you get a new, unique error message.
• 115[00:48:39] <petn-randall> My guess is that you have other node package that conflict with it or something.
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• 118[00:51:21] <mutante> petn-randall: i tried to prevent that with apt-get remove node* earlier. yes, node-cache wants the other one, node-move-concurrently.. and that one then gets:
• 119[00:51:24] <mutante> node-move-concurrently : Depends: nodejs (>= 8~) but 6.11.0~dfsg-1+wmf5 is to be installed
• 120[00:51:57] <mutante> apt-get remove nodejs* does not actually remove anything though
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• 124[00:55:13] <petn-randall> ,v nodejs
• 125[00:55:14] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 4.8.2~dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 8.11.1~dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 8.11.2~dfsg-1; sid: 10.15.0~dfsg-8
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• 127[00:55:54] <petn-randall> mutante: Yeah, you need both nodejs and npm from backports. The one can't exist without the other.
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• 130[00:57:37] <mutante> petn-randall: so i need to use APT pinning after all and i could use node* and npm* ?
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• 145[01:03:46] <mutante> petn-randall: i can first do "apt-get -t stretch-backports install nodejs" that works by itself.. then i do "npm node-cacache node-move-concurrently" together in a second step and still "Depends: nodejs (>= 8~) but 6.11.0~dfsg-1+wmf5"
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• 150[01:07:40] <mutante> petn-randall: oh.. i am getting it from "wikimedia-backports" rather than stretch-backports, getting close i guess :)
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• 157[01:13:12] <mutante> petn-randall: thanks for your help, i got it working after i removed an existing file in preferences.d that made it pin "wikimedia-backports", so when i did apt-get -t stretch-backports it made it install from wikimedia-backports.. and it was nodejs6 vs nodejs8.. have to dig more but this is it
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• 177[01:24:55] <petn-randall> mutante: I can't see the wrong pinning in your paste, but glad you got it fixed. :)
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• 183[01:28:19] <mutante> petn-randall: ikr, that's the weird part, it showed nothing in apt-cache policy , i copied that correctly. yet when i delete /etc/apt/preferences.d/wikimedia.pref .. i start getting nodejs8 and not nodejs6. the content of that is Package: * Pin: release o=Wikimedia Pin-Priority:1001
• 184[01:28:47] <mutante> of course this also involves puppet and each time that runs it recreates the prefs file.. so still digging :p
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• 345[03:39:32] <dtux> anyone run keybase? i am getting an error i dont understand when running `keybase status` in my crontab
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• 348[03:40:38] <dtux> (there's a couple more lines too about starting a keybase server)
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• 444[04:56:24] <awal1> i know my grub is instaleld in /dev/sda
• 445[04:56:40] <awal1> but how to find whre it is if i don't knew?
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• 492[05:44:12] <squarecircle> ohai
• 493[05:44:32] <squarecircle> how do I create a bootable iso from an iso file under Debian Stretch?
• 494[05:44:43] <whislock> cp file.iso /dev/sdx
• 495[05:44:50] <whislock> Assuming it's a Debian ISO.
• 496[05:45:43] <squarecircle> is is not
• 497[05:45:48] <whislock> Then what is it?
• 498[05:46:02] <squarecircle> its an bios update iso for my thinkpad x230
• 499[05:46:15] <whislock> Then ask Lenovo.
• 500[05:48:40] <rwp> squarecircle, Does that BIOS update need to be run from a bootable FreeDOS system? That would be typical. replaced-url
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• 503[05:49:51] <raz_> help. i resized an ext4 partition and somehow i messed it all up. i think the filesystem should still be there
• 504[05:49:59] <raz_> how would i recover
• 505[05:50:27] <whislock> raz_: Depends on what you did that led up to this.
• 506[05:50:32] <squarecircle> rwp: its from here: replaced-url
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• 508[05:50:44] <\x> squarecircle: ##ibmthinkpad
• 509[05:50:56] <rant> raz_: I'd try perhaps using gpart to fix the partition table, then fsck to fix the filesystem..
• 510[05:50:57] <\x> you need geteltorito
• 511[05:51:01] <\x> just google shit how.
• 512[05:51:32] <raz_> so, i had 2 partitions, i deleted one using parted, then i did resize part, then resize2fs
• 513[05:51:33] <\x> oops. sorry for profanity. didnt notice the channel i was in. :X
• 514[05:51:34] <squarecircle> thanks
• 515[05:51:45] <raz_> then i mounted
• 516[05:51:49] <raz_> i tried to copy a file
• 517[05:51:56] <whislock> raz_: The enter key is not punctuation.
• 518[05:52:12] <whislock> raz_: And it matters which partition was deleted and exactly what you did.
• 519[05:52:40] <\x> squarecircle: go and embrace full meme. install coreboot too.
• 520[05:52:41] <\x> replaced-url
• 521[05:52:46] <raz_> i deleted the second partition .
• 522[05:52:55] <whislock> Second of how many? This is what I mean.
• 523[05:53:12] <raz_> so the whole disk had 2 partitions . i deleted the second, and resized the first to 100%
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• 525[05:53:30] <whislock> Okay, that's better.
• 526[05:53:35] <raz_> lol
• 527[05:53:46] <raz_> im panic mode right now sorry
• 528[05:53:57] <whislock> All good, I just don't want to mess things up further due to incomplete information.
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• 530[05:55:00] <raz_> so i did resize2fs /dev/sda1 after . and it looked like it worked. i remounted the partition and tried copying a file. while i was copying the file i opened up a new terminal and did a 'ls' on the partition. i got some weird error
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• 532[05:55:50] <raz_> oh sorry, i did a e2fsck as well
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• 534[05:56:14] <whislock> What error did you receive?
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• 536[05:58:16] <raz_> i have logs !
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• 538[05:58:19] <raz_> ls: reading directory '/mnt/sda1/': Structure needs cleaning
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• 542[06:00:32] <whislock> unmount it, run e2fsck
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• 549[06:05:01] <rwp> raz_, Is your file system ext4 or xfs? (that feels like an xfs error)
• 550[06:05:06] <rant> I had that message recently.. puzzled me at first.. idk if they changed the error messages or what, cause I'd never seen that "Structure needs cleaning" before
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• 552[06:05:24] <raz_> ext2fs_open2: Bad magic number in super-block
• 553[06:05:29] <raz_> etx4
• 554[06:05:33] <raz_> ext4 should be
• 555[06:05:47] <raz_> where can i paste some logs of what i did
• 556[06:05:49] <rant> I was also unable to read a directory.. well it would list in terminal but not in the GUI file browser, it showed 0 files.. was an ext4 luks removable drive
• 557[06:06:01] <rant> the fsck seemed to clear it up
• 558[06:06:12] <rant> raz_: paste.debian.net
• 559[06:07:18] <rant> raz_: or cat them to a pipe with nc termbin i.e `cat log | nc termbin.com 9999`
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• 561[06:12:26] <raz_> one second
• 562[06:13:15] <raz_> replaced-url
• 563[06:13:32] <raz_> then after that i kept deleting and adding partition but I did not touch the ext4 filesystem
• 564[06:13:48] <raz_> other than e2fsck and it kept giving me bad superblock error
• 565[06:14:06] <squarecircle> \x: do you have some clues, how to work on it?
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• 567[06:16:10] <raz_> oh i tried rescue from parted but nothing happend
• 568[06:16:29] <raz_> and testdisk shows a bunch of MS partitions
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• 572[06:18:58] <rwp> The logs look like you would have been done at line 30. However the later parts should not have caused problems. Is it possible that it was previously corrupted prior to entire operation?
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• 576[06:19:51] <raz_> i did not do e2fsck before unmounting and starting operation. but it was usable
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• 578[06:21:22] <rwp> It is okay to do an online resize2fs. It notes this with line 27 and continues.
• 579[06:21:44] <raz_> thats another thing, i dont know why it automatically mounted the partition
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• 582[06:22:04] <rwp> After it completes the task is done. However unmounting and runing fsck on it should result in an fsck being run and all should be good at that point too.
• 583[06:22:38] <rwp> What desktop environment are you running? Most of the heavy DE's automatically mount removable devices.
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• 585[06:23:38] <rwp> One must configure DEs to not automatically mount devices. (And this is a perfect example of why the default to automatically mount is problematic.)
• 586[06:26:10] <raz_> at line 127 it where it starts.. size 63Z ??
• 587[06:26:10] <raz_> i am running lxde
• 588[06:26:10] <raz_> currently, parted shows the following
• 589[06:26:10] <raz_> 1 1049kB 1000GB 1000GB primary
• 590[06:26:58] <raz_> yeah.. i agree..i dont like automatic stuff
• 591[06:27:07] <raz_> reminds me of windows
• 592[06:27:07] <raz_> lol
• 593[06:27:37] <squarecircle> \x: anyway
• 594[06:27:39] <squarecircle> going to bed
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• 600[06:31:22] <raz_> so i deleted the partition again just now and recreated using parted
• 601[06:31:55] <raz_> and i did mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 and it says The device '/dev/sda1' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS
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• 609[06:42:22] <Tordek> is apt over https broken for anyone else? the docker repo uses it, but I keep getting errors when I try to apt-update: The HTTP server sent an invalid reply header/The repository 'replaced-url
• 610[06:42:47] <raz_> i have a list of backup superblocks
• 611[06:43:00] <raz_> if i do e2fsck using those backup superblocks, what can happen
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• 614[06:46:23] <tomreyn> Tordek: note http vs https in this error message
• 615[06:46:56] <tomreyn> Tordek: looks like you have it configured as replaced-url
• 616[06:47:40] <Tordek> sure, but it just 301's to the https; changing to replaced-url
• 617[06:48:29] <tomreyn> can you pastebinit apt-get update?
• 618[06:49:17] <tomreyn> including errors / warnings, so redirect 2>&1
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• 620[06:50:04] <PaddyF> google gifts box has opened: \o/
• 621[06:50:08] <PaddyF> fresh goodies!
• 622[06:50:11] <Tordek> replaced-url
• 623[06:50:17] <Tordek> tomreyn: ^
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• 627[06:52:03] <Tordek> replaced-url
• 628[06:54:17] <tomreyn> interestingly firefox claims this Release file was sent as an mp4 mime type. but curl sees it as binary/octet-stream
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• 631[06:56:36] <Tordek> odd; it displays as binary/octet-stream in ff to me
• 632[06:56:56] <tomreyn> it is, must be a misconfiguration i have locally
• 633[06:57:07] <tomreyn> we need to get more debug output from apt
• 634[06:59:38] <tomreyn> apt-get -o 'Debug::Acquire::http=1' -o 'Debug::Acquire::https=1' -o 'Debug::pkgAcquire::Worker=1' update
• 635[07:00:09] <tomreyn> Tordek: ^ try / show this
• 636[07:00:20] <Tordek> geez that's a lotta text, hold on
• 637[07:01:04] <tomreyn> a lot of text you can copy and paste, i assume?
• 638[07:01:11] <Tordek> aye
• 639[07:01:51] <agio> I dont think binary/octet-stream is a mime type, do you mean application/octet-stream ?
• 640[07:02:48] <tomreyn> curl -sI replaced-url
• 641[07:03:09] <tomreyn> this is cloudflare
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• 644[07:06:24] <Tordek> replaced-url
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• 646[07:06:40] <tomreyn> agio: but other than that i think you're right
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• 649[07:09:00] <Tordek> could this be about http/2?
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• 651[07:09:59] <agio> hmm, yes that header does say "binary/octet-stream"
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• 654[07:10:41] <tomreyn> Tordek: i'm just wondering this, too
• 655[07:10:53] <agio> I wondered if it was an HTTP2 thing too, but I didn't think HTTP had its own mime types?
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• 657[07:12:39] <Tordek> agio: it could be cloudflare being dumb on http2, because sbt was on https as well, before, but it didn't cause problems iirc
• 658[07:13:04] <agio> sbt?
• 659[07:13:13] <Tordek> scala build tool; another repo
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• 662[07:14:22] <agio> yeah, well I always thought application/ as a mime type was a terrible naming system, binary is probably better
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• 666[07:15:25] <tomreyn> Tordek: , do you have a file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/download.docker.com_linux_debian_dists_stretch_Release or one starting with this path?
• 667[07:16:19] <Tordek> no, ...partial/ is empty
• 668[07:16:35] <tomreyn> okay, makes sense. which debian version are oyu using?
• 669[07:16:46] <Tordek> stretchkenstein
• 670[07:17:21] <Tordek> stretch with some unstable
• 671[07:17:56] <tomreyn> replaced-url
• 672[07:17:57] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 673[07:18:23] <Tordek> agio: apparently binary/octet is what amazon decided to use despite it not being a real thing
• 674[07:20:23] <agio> ah, ok
• 675[07:20:27] <tomreyn> maybe this is the issue? <Tordek> stretch with some unstable
• 676[07:21:31] <Tordek> yeah, I guess curl just feels free to negotiate for http2 and apt-transport-https doesn't understand it
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• 678[07:21:49] <Tordek> wonder if I can set an env var so curl won't try https
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• 681[07:22:29] <tomreyn> why would you want curl not use https on an https connection?
• 682[07:22:41] <Tordek> sorry, http2
• 683[07:23:33] <tomreyn> do you have libcurl from unstable?
• 684[07:24:46] <Tordek> it's a bit of a mess; libcurl3 is stable, libcurl3-gnutls is unstable
• 685[07:26:00] <tomreyn> geez.
• 686[07:26:15] <Tordek> ah, there we go; installed libcurl3-gnutls/stable, seems to have been pulled when I upgraded git
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• 690[07:27:15] <tomreyn> are you aware that mixing releases is a bad idea (unless you control it very very closely)? and what apt pinning is?
• 691[07:27:28] <Tordek> yep
• 692[07:27:52] <tomreyn> okay, then i blame your lazyiess.
• 693[07:27:59] <Tordek> indeed
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• 695[07:28:24] <Tordek> thanks for your help!
• 696[07:28:29] <tomreyn> yw
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• 702[07:29:40] <tomreyn> be sure to mention the stretchkenstein early on next time you run into such issues
• 703[07:29:44] <tomreyn> might save some time
• 704[07:30:06] <Tordek> is it stretchkenstein or frankenstretch tho? :P
• 705[07:30:17] <BurekzFinezt> latter sounds better
• 706[07:30:27] <Tordek> is there any way to see which of my packages come from unstable? I know there was a reason I had upgraded my `git` at some point
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• 709[07:31:03] <Tordek> I guess the simplest way is to remove the `unstable` line from my sources and see what shows up as "local" in synaptic
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• 752[08:20:19] <DogBits> test
• 753[08:20:24] <DogBits> hellya
• 754[08:20:28] <DogBits> whats up guys
• 755[08:22:34] <DogBits> im testing is anyone here?
• 756[08:22:49] <diogenes_> hi
• 757[08:23:01] <diogenes_> test passed
• 758[08:23:19] <DogBits> excellant thanks
• 759[08:23:31] <diogenes_> yw
• 760[08:23:32] <DogBits> weechat is confusing when you are new to it and debian
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• 763[08:24:28] <DogBits> so this is the place that all the magic happens?
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• 767[08:25:11] <diogenes_> hehe voodoo happens
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• 783[08:39:43] <DogBits> test
• 784[08:39:48] <DogBits> sorry
• 785[08:39:56] <DogBits> just checking
• 786[08:43:40] <DogBits> does anybody talk in this chat
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• 788[08:44:50] <diogenes_> yes but this is for support purpose
• 789[08:45:07] <DogBits> perfect thank you
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• 817[09:04:54] <D1rt3M0nE> Noob seeks assistance in unf*cking my dual install...
• 818[09:05:12] <diogenes_> !ask
• 819[09:05:13] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 858[09:36:47] <no_gravity> Good Morning
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• 861[09:38:48] <no_gravity> Does it make sense to tell the network card of a laptop to never sleep when the laptop is connected to power?
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• 864[09:39:51] <bsdnoob> I can't get debootstrap to work
• 865[09:40:03] <bsdnoob> it keeps failing E: Failed getting release file replaced-url
• 866[09:40:35] <bsdnoob> how do I fix this?
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• 870[09:42:27] <jmd> Can someone tell me the option(s) to "ps" which'll give me the complete command line of the process?
• 871[09:42:57] <bsdnoob> ps -aux
• 872[09:43:44] <bsdnoob> even ps -x
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• 875[09:46:49] <jmd> bsdnoob: Thanks
• 876[09:47:06] <jmd> ps -aux does the job, ps -x doesn't.
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• 880[09:48:01] <bsdnoob> wtf is deal with debootstrap
• 881[09:48:11] <bsdnoob> I can curl it easily but it can't fetch the file wut
• 882[09:48:18] <tomreyn> bsdnoob: hmm interesting, we had soemone else here with a similar issue earlier, also couldnt get the release file off cloudflare, using apt / libcurl
• 883[09:48:43] <tomreyn> bsdnoob: it was https + http/2 there
• 884[09:48:49] <tomreyn> just like yours
• 885[09:49:08] <bsdnoob> how did they fix it?
• 886[09:49:11] <tomreyn> they had a mixed stretch/unstable system, though, which i attributed this to
• 887[09:49:12] <bsdnoob> different mirror?
• 888[09:49:31] <tomreyn> which versions do you have?
• 889[09:49:36] <bsdnoob> buster
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• 891[09:49:54] <tomreyn> a non CF mirror should work
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• 893[09:50:32] <bsdnoob> tomreyn, is this mirror by aws or cf?
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• 895[09:51:28] <hsab> debian sucks any ways
• 896[09:51:51] <bsdnoob> sudo debootstrap --verbose --arch amd64 stretch testdir replaced-url
• 897[09:51:57] <bsdnoob> this fails too
• 898[09:52:02] <tomreyn> bsdnoob: CF is an AWS product
• 899[09:52:35] <tomreyn> well, nowadays anyways
• 900[09:52:43] <bsdnoob> tomreyn, by CF you mean cloudfront ? I thought cloudflare
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• 902[09:52:58] <tomreyn> bsdnoob: oh whoops, i m ean cloudflare indeed, silly me
• 903[09:53:08] <tomreyn> and yes, has nothing to do with AWS
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• 905[09:53:52] <tomreyn> okay, looks like i jumped to conclusions there since this is http only
• 906[09:54:01] <bsdnoob> tomreyn, weirdly none of the mirror work
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• 909[09:54:31] <tomreyn> bsdnoob: always use the latest debootstrap
• 910[09:54:46] <tomreyn> that is from sid
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• 912[09:56:29] <tomreyn> bsdnoob: i think you may need to use an absolute path, so not "testdir"
• 913[09:57:29] <bsdnoob> tomreyn, same
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• 915[09:57:45] <tomreyn> bsdnoob: what'S the output, how does it fail?
• 916[09:58:05] <bsdnoob> E: Failed getting release file replaced-url
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• 918[09:58:58] <bsdnoob> curl -I gives HTTP/1.1 200 OK
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• 921[09:59:22] <bsdnoob> this is some blackmagic
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• 923[10:00:36] <tomreyn> debootstrap uses wget
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• 925[10:01:10] <ov3rmind> heya great guys!
• 926[10:01:11] <tomreyn> wget works here, though.
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• 928[10:01:27] <tomreyn> bsdnoob: got any proxies?
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• 931[10:03:49] <bsdnoob> tomreyn, nop
• 932[10:03:50] <bsdnoob> replaced-url
• 933[10:03:53] <bsdnoob> wtf?
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• 936[10:06:07] <tomreyn> bsdnoob: which shell do you have there?
• 937[10:06:14] <bsdnoob> dish
• 938[10:06:16] <bsdnoob> *fish
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• 940[10:06:28] <tomreyn> can this expand (pwd) ?
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• 943[10:06:50] <bsdnoob> yep (pwd) is $(pwd) in bash
• 944[10:06:56] <tomreyn> ok
• 945[10:07:14] <tomreyn> hmm, not sure
• 946[10:07:25] <tomreyn> maybe ipv4/ipv6?
• 947[10:09:04] <tomreyn> so you'Re using debootstrap from sid, right?
• 948[10:09:09] <bsdnoob> buster
• 949[10:09:26] <tomreyn> why donit you try sid then?
• 950[10:09:33] <tomreyn> <tomreyn> bsdnoob: always use the latest debootstrap
• 951[10:09:56] <bsdnoob> tomreyn, how should I? can you explain?
• 952[10:10:26] <tomreyn> its the same version, irrelevant
• 953[10:11:08] <tomreyn> maybe try a different shell?
• 954[10:12:32] <bsdnoob> lets try bash
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• 957[10:13:32] <Janolap1> Hi there, I'm trying to install debian from netinst iso (amd64), but when the installer tries to download from repositories, it can't (error message on tty4 is Warning mirror does not support the specific release (stretch). I'm currently using a fresh download of netinst
• 958[10:14:06] <bsdnoob> nopes
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• 961[10:15:34] <babilen> Janolap1: Try different mirrors -- looks as if there's a problem with at least some at the moment
• 962[10:15:35] <tomreyn> bsdnoob: i'm running ubuntu here, dont have a debian available right now to test on, so maybe have someone else cross test
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• 965[10:16:13] <bsdnoob> tomreyn, maybe I should try a cloud instance
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• 967[10:17:26] <Janolap1> babilen : I have tries almost 20 mirrors around the World and I have the same error
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• 969[10:17:56] <tomreyn> yes maybe
• 970[10:18:13] <tomreyn> Janolap1: are you talking to bsdnoob then?
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• 972[10:19:06] <tomreyn> Janolap1: ignore this, i'm tired
• 973[10:19:14] <Janolap1> tomreyn : no, I'm talking to babilen
• 974[10:19:24] <tomreyn> yeah sorry ;)
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• 976[10:19:30] <babilen> Janolap1: Fair enough, you didn't mention that and backlog looked as if it happens to others as well
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• 980[10:21:25] <Janolap1> babilen : sorry :-)
• 981[10:22:02] <babilen> Janolap1: Can you resolve the name of the mirrors? What do you get back when you curl them?
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• 984[10:23:46] <babilen> (e.g. "curl replaced-url
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• 991[10:26:14] <Janolap1> babilen : I think I have found the problem : my internet access is restricted for this pc
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• 994[10:26:43] <babilen> It typically boils down to something like that, yes
• 995[10:27:23] <babilen> The error message is not very helpful and generally means "Nothing mentions "stretch"/$RELEASE in the text i received from my http request"
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• 1001[10:27:58] <babilen> So if you get "You have to configure your proxy" or something else back the installer looks in there for the the specified release, does not find it and complains
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• 1103[11:29:17] <no_gravity> I wonder why the ssh connection from my desktop computer to my laptop is stuttering so much. How would you guys go about analyzing it?
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• 1156[12:05:11] <bltzfsck> i have a lenovo laptop running stretch, and suddenly when I return to X from the bare terminal, the screen is turned 90 degrees or even entirely upside down. Is that because this thing pretends to be a tablet, or what?
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• 1161[12:08:52] <diogenes_> bltzfsck, maybe it's because of the key combination you are prressing
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• 1165[12:10:37] <bltzfsck> diogenes_: i don't think so. I'm using ctl+alt+F2 to return to X, which is where it's always been
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• 1170[12:11:32] <bltzfsck> diogenes_: i used to be able to kill the x server with ctl+alt+backspace, but that doesn't seem to work with stretch
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• 1172[12:11:52] <bltzfsck> have to reboot to get a fresh screen
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• 1174[12:13:04] <diogenes_> bltzfsck, what graphics driver?
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• 1176[12:14:36] <bltzfsck> i forget. it's proprietary. Ath-something.
• 1177[12:15:12] <diogenes_> inxi -G
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• 1180[12:16:35] <bltzfsck> atheros_20161130-3
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• 1192[12:23:09] <bltzfsck> diogenes_: think im figgering it out
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• 1195[12:24:01] <bltzfsck> seems this machine has a gravitational orientation sensor, forget what you call 'em, and it got unlocked
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• 1199[12:24:29] <diogenes_> oh right
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• 1201[12:25:10] <bltzfsck> wow, i can turn it on it's edge and read it like a book
• 1202[12:25:14] <bltzfsck> o joy
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• 1206[12:25:43] <diogenes_> hehe
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• 1209[12:26:13] <D1rt3M0nE> anyone familiar with partitions and mount points? I need some pointers
• 1210[12:26:41] <diogenes_> !ask | dirac1
• 1211[12:26:45] <diogenes_> dammit
• 1212[12:27:00] <diogenes_> !ask | D1rt3M0nE
• 1213[12:27:04] <diogenes_> !ask
• 1214[12:27:05] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1215[12:27:14] <D1rt3M0nE> what happens if I delete the partition from the install menu? Will the installer then see that space as unallocated, create a new partition and install to it?
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• 1217[12:28:56] <diogenes_> as soon as you delete it, some installer might show it as unallocated, other will not show it at all but only when you click on "add new partition" you gonna see the available space
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• 1219[12:29:15] <D1rt3M0nE> If I'm re-installing the same distro over top an existing distro, can I just 'erase data' or should I re-format the partition?
• 1220[12:29:26] <D1rt3M0nE> ok, thanks
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• 1222[12:29:35] <diogenes_> re-format will do
• 1223[12:29:39] <D1rt3M0nE> kk
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• 1225[12:29:42] <D1rt3M0nE> thanks
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• 1230[12:31:15] <D1rt3M0nE> Also - what is a mount point?
• 1231[12:31:30] <D1rt3M0nE> Does anyone have a good link / doc to this topic?
• 1232[12:31:41] <diogenes_> a mount point is what you assign your partition as
• 1233[12:31:48] <diogenes_> it could be / (root)
• 1234[12:32:01] <diogenes_> /home (same as drive D on windows)
• 1235[12:32:14] <D1rt3M0nE> ok, ok
• 1236[12:32:14] <diogenes_> or you can mount your partition as swap
• 1237[12:32:20] <D1rt3M0nE> hold that thought
• 1238[12:32:23] <bindi> drive D? wat
• 1239[12:32:27] <D1rt3M0nE> what's the difference between root and boot?
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• 1243[12:32:57] <diogenes_> D1rt3M0nE, you don't need boot partition, you need root and it includes boot too
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• 1245[12:33:07] <D1rt3M0nE> awesome, thanks
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• 1247[12:33:26] <D1rt3M0nE> next, please confirm: I can define the same swap partition for two difference installs.
• 1248[12:33:28] <D1rt3M0nE> yes?
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• 1253[12:34:13] <diogenes_> so basically a normal partitions scheme would be / (30 GB). swap (5 Gb). /boot/efi (300 MB if you have uefi system) and /home (rest of space)
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• 1255[12:34:54] <diogenes_> yes you can use the same swap for many installs
• 1256[12:35:04] <diogenes_> just don't re-format it, only assign
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• 1258[12:35:51] <D1rt3M0nE> thanks
• 1259[12:36:03] <diogenes_> you're welcome
• 1260[12:37:20] <D1rt3M0nE> wait
• 1261[12:37:37] <D1rt3M0nE> I thought I assigned the partition as swap, but the message now tells me I'm going to format it...
• 1262[12:37:43] <D1rt3M0nE> Maybe I'm assigning wrong...?
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• 1264[12:38:18] <diogenes_> there should be an option to (no to format)
• 1265[12:38:23] <diogenes_> or something
• 1266[12:38:30] <diogenes_> i forgot the exact option
• 1267[12:38:32] <D1rt3M0nE> lesseee....
• 1268[12:39:01] <D1rt3M0nE> No, I don't see that option for swap...?
• 1269[12:39:08] <D1rt3M0nE> Ok, nevermind, if I format it, what do I lose?
• 1270[12:39:19] <D1rt3M0nE> Whatever was stored there from the other install?
• 1271[12:39:35] <diogenes_> yes format it
• 1272[12:39:41] <D1rt3M0nE> Will the first install lose the ability to use it?
• 1273[12:40:07] <diogenes_> it won't be an issue, it will just change the UUID and the othe install will not see it at ffirt but you could tweak /etc/fstab later
• 1274[12:40:16] <diogenes_> and it will see it and mount it as swap
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• 1276[12:40:27] <D1rt3M0nE> cool, thanks
• 1277[12:40:34] <D1rt3M0nE> LEARNING! =)
• 1278[12:40:44] <diogenes_> great!
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• 1291[12:50:23] <gunix> how do you install ss in debian9 ?
• 1292[12:50:27] <gunix> i got "bash: ss: command not found"
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• 1295[12:52:01] <SwedeMike> gunix: install the "iproute2" package.
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• 1299[12:53:16] <gunix> SwedeMike: that did it, thank you!
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• 1302[12:53:51] <gunix> SwedeMike: i should remember that
• 1303[12:53:59] <gunix> apt-file search ss returned lots of crap
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• 1305[12:54:27] <bzed> gunix: search for /bin/ss
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• 1307[12:55:03] <gunix> bzed: replaced-url
• 1308[12:55:05] <gunix> :)
• 1309[12:55:07] <bzed> gunix: or better: bin/ss - that should match the path :)
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• 1311[12:56:03] <bzed> gunix: … apt-file --regexp search 'bin/ss$' :)
• 1312[12:56:38] <gunix> bzed: yea that did it
• 1313[12:56:54] <gunix> bzed: i should have spent some time reading the manual lol
• 1314[12:57:00] <gunix> bzed: thank you
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• 1386[13:55:59] <InvisibleRasta> hey guys i jsut installed mate DE and i notus that with the Mate wisker menu i have two menu entries for the Internet menu
• 1387[13:56:27] <InvisibleRasta> how can i remove one? i tried deleting /home/user/.config/menus but that didnt help
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• 1465[15:02:08] <GNU\colossus> say I'd like to run stable, but with a more up-to-date kernel image - is backports the only Debian-vetted way of doing that, or is there something like Ubuntu's "mainline kernel"-PPA that I don't happen to know?
• 1466[15:03:13] <nkuttler> !kernel handbook
• 1467[15:03:13] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
• 1468[15:03:14] <towo`> there are no ppa for debian
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• 1472[15:05:16] <GNU\colossus> towo`, I know that.
• 1473[15:05:18] <jelly> GNU\colossus: no other debian-provided newer kernel for stable that I know of
• 1474[15:05:34] <GNU\colossus> jelly, thanks, then I'll accept that as fact :)
• 1475[15:05:53] <towo`> you want newer, build yourself
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• 1497[15:22:12] <D1rt3M0nE> I assume this is because the install doesn't see the swap UUID?
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• 1663[16:50:57] <raidensnake> Any idea how I can use my 4g connection to install debian?
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• 1666[16:52:08] <raidensnake> It's built into the device I want to install it on.
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• 1670[16:53:35] <hsab> 4g connection built into the drviced that you want to install debian in it
• 1671[16:53:48] <hsab> sound too complicated
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• 1673[16:54:05] <azy> im trying to make a .deb. replaced-url
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• 1675[16:54:23] <Wulf> azy: why is there html code?
• 1676[16:54:33] <azy> replaced-url
• 1677[16:54:44] <azy> oh is that just a bug on his page?
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• 1679[16:55:12] <Wulf> yes.
• 1680[16:55:19] <azy> lmao.
• 1681[16:55:23] <azy> i thought that was strange
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• 1683[16:55:35] <Wulf> you're welcome.
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• 1756[17:39:48] <hweaving> Howdy. This is one of the most popular and helpful channels, but I thought maybe someone could direct me to the proper place. If I'm trying to figure out whether to use select/pselect/poll/ppoll etc. and how they may interact with the Linux kernel, what's the best place to ask?
• 1757[17:40:01] <hweaving> I've tried posix, and kernel at least once, but they're very low-traffic channels.
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• 1761[17:40:57] <amcorreia> maybe some networking related channel?
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• 1763[17:41:59] <hweaving> That's a good point
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• 1772[17:50:22] <jelly> select() in what context? There's a ##programming for general questions
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• 1776[17:51:33] <hweaving> In the sense of deciding which function(s) are the right choice, and whether there are any idiosyncrasies about it in Linux.
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• 1782[17:56:51] <Wulf> hweaving: epoll, and you want some library that hides the gory details.
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• 1784[17:57:22] <jelly> epoll() however is linux specific
• 1785[17:57:34] <hweaving> Linux-specific is okay as long as it's 100% reliable. I'll do more reading.
• 1786[17:57:53] <Wulf> hweaving: which programming language would you like to use for this?
• 1787[17:58:23] <jelly> if you just need to juggle a dozen sockets normal select or poll will do the work
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• 1790[17:59:23] <jelly> if you're doing high performance (think c10k problem) then you go searching for linux epoll, freebsd kqueue, etc
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• 1797[18:03:01] <hweaving> Just C. I'd be happy to use select() until I started running into scary warnings about select() on Linux potentially triggering on a blocking socket, but a subsequent read operation still blocking. I'm continuing to research that but it seems that may be out of date.
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• 1799[18:03:27] <Wulf> hweaving: set all sockets to nonblocking.
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• 1820[18:15:02] <hweaving> As long as it doesn't turn out to use high CPU usage because of some implementation quirk, I guess that makes the most sense. Make all handles / sockets non-blocking, poll() with infinite timeout, read nonblocking, back to poll().
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• 1831[18:20:35] <mawk> use epoll hweaving
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• 1833[18:20:41] <mawk> if you don't have special portability requirements
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• 1841[18:22:49] * hweaving reads
• 1842[18:23:28] <hweaving> I'm happy with plain poll() since I'm only using a few handles, unless there's a compelling reason to use the more advanced version
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• 1846[18:25:58] <mawk> yeah you can use that too
• 1847[18:26:00] <mawk> just don't use selectg
• 1848[18:26:02] <mawk> -g
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• 1853[18:26:44] <hweaving> mawk: because of the risk of Linux idiosyncrasies with select(), or because of another reason I missed?
• 1854[18:26:48] <hweaving> Sorry if I'm being dense
• 1855[18:27:00] <mawk> because of the horrible interface select() presents
• 1856[18:27:03] <mawk> poll is nicer to the dev
• 1857[18:27:04] <hweaving> I'm with you on that :D
• 1858[18:27:12] <hweaving> I've done it before but it's not fun
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• 1906[18:47:18] <Waxhead> Is there some "virtual package" I can report a bug to if I am certain that another package is no longer maintained (not properly maintained) ?
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• 1913[18:50:33] <xdruppi> when buster comes out, how do I update stretch to buster? i was told that changing stretch to stable on sources.list was the way to upgrade, but i was also told that "stable" is not really stable, im so confused
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• 1915[18:51:16] <xdruppi> agio: that's on the xorg.conf manual
• 1916[18:51:39] <xdruppi> agio: man xorg.conf
• 1917[18:51:49] <Waxhead> xdruppi: first you change references from stretch to buster in your /etc/apt/sources.list
• 1918[18:51:55] <Waxhead> xdruppi: then you run apt update
• 1919[18:52:02] <Waxhead> xdruppi: and then apt distr-upgrade
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• 1921[18:52:24] <xdruppi> Waxhead: one question, why is stable not used by default? what is stable exactly?
• 1922[18:52:31] <xdruppi> thanks for the answer btw
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• 1924[18:52:49] <Waxhead> xdruppi: it is also usually well documented in the release notes (which you SHOULD read)
• 1925[18:52:59] <Waxhead> xdruppi: just a second
• 1926[18:53:13] <Waxhead> xdruppi: replaced-url
• 1927[18:53:26] <xdruppi> thanks will read
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• 1930[18:54:22] <Waxhead> xdruppi: what this usually means - stable is good for servers and other stuff that needs to be rock solid. testing is a "rolling release" that is good for desktop and reasonably technical minded people that knows to delay a update if something gets screwed up. unstable is ... well unstable ;) but useful for some
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• 1934[18:56:06] <Waxhead> xdruppi: and just so you know... testing is usually frozen , then a "werewolf" like transformation happens and testing is just renamed to stable when there is no release critical bugs left. So testing becomes stable
• 1935[18:56:15] <xdruppi> i dont think even as a technical minded person i'd use testing, if i was
• 1936[18:56:17] <xdruppi> but im not
• 1937[18:56:33] <xdruppi> thanks a lot
• 1938[18:56:34] <jmcnaught> xdruppi: the reason to put the release name (stretch, buster) in your sources.list instead of "stable" is so that when there is a new stable release you can choose when to upgrade. If you have "stable" in your sources.list you could end up with a surprise distro upgrade when you just want to get security updates
• 1939[18:56:36] <Waxhead> testing is pretty good
• 1940[18:56:52] <xdruppi> oh i se, jmcnaught:
• 1941[18:56:55] <xdruppi> see*
• 1942[18:56:56] <Waxhead> I usually run testing for anything that I am not overly paranoid at running
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• 1945[18:57:46] <jmcnaught> also "stable" in this context means "doesn't change very much" as in, no big surprises (testing/unstable has a lot of changes and surprises)
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• 1947[18:58:19] <Waxhead> xdruppi: I would actually advice you to run testing (for desktop). You get relatively bleeding edge software and quite good quality. If you are not that into the latest and greatest software all the time then stay with stable and it simply just works!
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• 1949[18:58:49] <xdruppi> jmcnaught: do you use testing/unstable?
• 1950[18:59:22] <jmcnaught> xdruppi: i use stable on my desktops, so i don't have to tweak things as stuff gets upgraded in testing
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• 1952[18:59:51] <jmcnaught> makes for a computer that works reliably the same way each day, and you can apply security upgrades without wondering what else will change
• 1953[19:00:01] <xdruppi> that's so cool
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• 1955[19:00:24] <Waxhead> it might be worth mentioning that I use a slow moving (and thus stable) desktop environment (XFCE) . That helps to keep things rock solid
• 1956[19:00:35] <Waxhead> e.g. not that many updates
• 1957[19:01:08] <jmcnaught> a lot of people do run testing on their desktops, but it should never be used on a server
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• 1962[19:02:45] <xdruppi> Is it bad that I don't like Xfce? I've tried it a few times, even customizing it, it just doesn't feel comfortable
• 1963[19:03:35] * diogenes_ likes xfce best of all
• 1964[19:03:39] <Waxhead> xdruppi: of course it is not bad... pick whatever you like :)
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• 1966[19:03:47] <Waxhead> xdruppi: but you do miss out ;) it is very nice
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• 1968[19:03:54] <xdruppi> haha
• 1969[19:03:59] <xdruppi> ;p
• 1970[19:04:13] <Waxhead> it gets OUT OF YOUR WAY which is brilliant
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• 1972[19:04:43] <Waxhead> I am more interesting in running programs than toying around in a desktop environment. Therefore XFCE is just great
• 1973[19:04:43] <diogenes_> at the end of the day i use applications and not the DE :)
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• 1975[19:04:55] <diogenes_> ^^^ +++
• 1976[19:05:05] <jmcnaught> that's the same reason i use GNOME
• 1977[19:05:09] * Waxhead agrees with diogenes_
• 1978[19:05:30] <diogenes_> Waxhead, great mind think the same? XD
• 1979[19:05:32] <Waxhead> jmcnaught: how do you close windows on that thing? :P
• 1980[19:05:36] <diogenes_> minds*
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• 1982[19:05:45] <xdruppi> jmcnaught: have you ever had some annoying issue with GNOME? i am using it myself, it's comfortable so far
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• 1985[19:06:31] <diogenes_> gnome is too laggy fot me and also heats my CPU more than xfce
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• 1987[19:07:17] <Waxhead> I am too old and ugly to bother much about desktop environment wars these days , but every time I tried gnome on a bit older hardware it was laggy , slow, and (for me) very non-intuitive. All programs bundled with it also "ate" most of my screen space. I realize some people like that , but I prefer something a bit more traditional and compact.
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• 1990[19:07:58] <xdruppi> gnome is definetly heavy i'd say, but it runs ok on my computer, the only issue i encountered was that once my gnome-terminal wouldn't open for who knows what reason, so i reinstalled it
• 1991[19:08:07] <jmcnaught> there's a GNOME extension called caffeine that speeds up the animations, makes it feel less laggy
• 1992[19:08:19] <Waxhead> can you DISABLE the animations?
• 1993[19:08:25] <xdruppi> i think you can yeah
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• 1995[19:08:33] <Waxhead> that is actually a good thing.
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• 1999[19:08:55] <diogenes_> also isn't it kinda silly to have gnome settings and then you have to install gnome tweak for additional configs?
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• 2001[19:09:27] <diogenes_> and then this feature removing battle in gnome grrrr
• 2002[19:09:31] <xdruppi> mm not really, i personally don't even use it, i preffer a default configuration, i don't like tweaking things i don't really need
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• 2004[19:10:11] <Waxhead> anyway... I run mostly DoubleCommander, Pidgin, SeaMonkey, GIMP, Blender, Audacity, and a lot of xterm's so I find all the stuff I need in XFCE :)
• 2005[19:10:47] <diogenes_> Waxhead, and i don't even have panels as such in xfce )))
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• 2007[19:11:05] <Waxhead> diogenes_: I bow my head before thy!
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• 2009[19:11:13] <xdruppi> Waxhead: replaced-url
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• 2011[19:11:15] <diogenes_> haha :)
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• 2013[19:11:35] <Waxhead> oh lord
• 2014[19:11:39] <Waxhead> what a SPACEY GUI
• 2015[19:11:58] <xdruppi> what do you mean?
• 2016[19:12:07] <Waxhead> why is there about one line of text of just AIR -- e.g. nothing between the text on the menu to the left
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• 2018[19:12:24] <Waxhead> and it has "windows" like spacing between the minimixe, maximize and close buttons
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• 2021[19:12:38] <Waxhead> the GUI could have been COMPACTED easily
• 2022[19:13:03] <Waxhead> and on top of that you got the gtk3 slider "checkboxes"...what was wrong with regular checkboxes
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• 2025[19:13:09] <Waxhead> (now I am all fired up!)
• 2026[19:13:12] <xdruppi> hahaha
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• 2029[19:14:48] <InvisibleRasta> heya guys, i accidently deleted the windows files in the EFI directory when i installed debian, is it possible to recover them?
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• 2033[19:15:17] <Waxhead> InvisibleRasta: Congratulations , you have just removed a bad reason to not stay on debian forever
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• 2036[19:15:47] <InvisibleRasta> well i actually need to have windows booting too
• 2037[19:15:53] <Waxhead> InvisibleRasta: on the serious side I am pretty sure you can recover your windows... but I am afraid I can't help you,
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• 2040[19:16:14] <Waxhead> Try updating grup - PERHAPS it will find your windows install - but who knows
• 2041[19:16:21] <Waxhead> *grub
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• 2044[19:16:50] <Waxhead> or try.... replaced-url
• 2045[19:17:03] <InvisibleRasta> nah it doesnt find it as the files that are supposed to be in the efi partition for windows are not present in the efi partition
• 2046[19:17:25] <InvisibleRasta> Waxhead, it is not grub related at all
• 2047[19:17:40] <InvisibleRasta> the files that windows generates is the efi partition are gone
• 2048[19:17:59] <Waxhead> yeah get it , but perhaps some other bootloader (GRUB) may be able to start windows regardless
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• 2052[19:18:19] <Waxhead> but efi is some fat partition afaik so undelet should be possible
• 2053[19:18:26] <Waxhead> (or might be possible)
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• 2055[19:18:30] <InvisibleRasta> how so?
• 2056[19:18:52] <Waxhead> you probably need to run some fat undelete software... but that is all I can say
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• 2059[19:19:24] <xdruppi> InvisibleRasta: if you have a windows installation dvd or usb or whatever you can repair windows through that and the windows files should be generated i think
• 2060[19:19:44] <InvisibleRasta> xdruppi, i do not have a windows iso :(
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• 2063[19:19:53] <InvisibleRasta> i wonder how i can recover the files with linux
• 2064[19:19:58] <xdruppi> InvisibleRasta: if you use w10 you can downoad it
• 2065[19:19:59] <InvisibleRasta> as its the only option i have atm
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• 2067[19:20:16] <InvisibleRasta> yeah but im on slow internet :/
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• 2069[19:20:31] <xdruppi> you can't recover them if you deleted them, i think
• 2070[19:20:36] <xdruppi> they're pretty much gone
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• 2144[19:59:36] <lkz0ne> how to I decrease my txpower in debian? I did ifconfig wlan0 down, iwconfig wlan0 txpower 1, and interface up again, but didn't work... and when works it come back to the original value
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• 2159[20:09:49] <lkz0ne> how to I decrease my txpower in debian? I did ifconfig wlan0 down, iwconfig wlan0 txpower 1, and interface up again, but didn't work... and when works it come back to the original value
• 2160[20:12:19] <LtL> lkz0ne: autopsy just told you in ##linux
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• 2162[20:12:40] <LtL> lkz0ne: you use commit. man iwconfig
• 2163[20:12:52] <InvisibleRasta> any idea why this message is spamming in my xorg logFailed to get GBM bo for flip to new front
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• 2170[20:17:32] <lkz0ne> LtL, okay
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• 2172[20:18:39] <lkz0ne> LtL, you know what this error is for?
• 2173[20:18:40] <lkz0ne> Error for wireless request "Commit changes" (8B00) :
• 2174[20:18:40] <lkz0ne> SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported.
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• 2176[20:20:02] <LtL> lkz0ne: i have had that too, either your device does not support the instruction, and possibly an AP you may possibly connect to won't allow it.
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• 2178[20:20:38] <LtL> lkz0ne: more thahn likely the former, your device.
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• 2180[20:21:51] <lkz0ne> LtL, oh ok
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• 2191[20:26:04] <InvisibleRasta> anyone got any idea of waht can be causing this
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• 2210[20:34:06] <InvisibleRasta> uhm noone available?
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• 2231[20:48:48] <InvisibleRasta> well yeah Wulf i found a post saying to add a file in corg.conf.d named 20-displaylink.conf but it doesnt seem its doing anything
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• 2265[21:05:56] <dreamer> hmm, I'm trying to use zita-n2j to get audio over the network, but it fails with: Failed to open socket. Cannot assign requested address
• 2266[21:06:06] <dreamer> is my user on that machine missing some permissions?
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• 2269[21:07:03] <dreamer> I have to note that I ran into dbus issues running jack. it's a headless machine so there is no desktop. starting jack with ssh x-forwarding enabled made I could start jack. I'm also trying zita-n2j using an x-forwarded session. so I don't think this is a dbus issue
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• 2272[21:07:33] <dreamer> I'm not using a privileged port or anything
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• 2314[21:30:00] <klaminite> Just how small is the debian base? Like is it comparable to a fully complete LFS or is it smaller?
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• 2330[21:40:28] <tvm> last time i checked it was around 300-400MB for minimal install
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• 2332[21:41:13] <tvm> there are many distros that will bring you under 100, LFS probably being one of these
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• 2344[21:45:21] <klaminite> hm
• 2345[21:45:28] <klaminite> I guess im just going for something I can call my own
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• 2348[21:45:35] <klaminite> have no branding attached to it
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• 2351[21:46:40] <jhutchins> ,v zita-n2j
• 2352[21:46:41] <judd> No package named 'zita-n2j' was found in amd64.
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• 2354[21:47:42] <jhutchins> ,v zita-njbridge
• 2355[21:47:43] <judd> Package: zita-njbridge on amd64 -- jessie: 0.1.1-1; buster: 0.4.1-1; sid: 0.4.1-1; stretch: 0.4.1-1
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• 2442[22:38:35] <edgardoweb> hi
• 2443[22:38:49] <edgardoweb> Removed symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/teamviewerd.service.
• 2444[22:39:13] <diogenes_> and?
• 2445[22:39:15] <edgardoweb> teamviewer reconfigure error
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• 2447[22:39:54] <LtL> edgardoweb: what were you expecting?
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• 2449[22:40:19] <edgardoweb> diogenes_, could you help me solve it
• 2450[22:41:06] <edgardoweb> LtL, install kernel 4 and I stop working
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• 2455[22:42:16] <LtL> edgardoweb: reinstall it
• 2456[22:42:59] <edgardoweb> LtL, I already did it but without results
• 2457[22:43:26] <edgardoweb> I'm using debian 8
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• 2460[22:44:58] <LtL> edgardoweb: try apt-get --reinstall install package
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• 2462[22:46:22] <diogenes_> edgardoweb, also try to remove: ~/.config/teamviewer
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• 2470[22:48:49] <ychaouche> bal
• 2471[22:48:52] <ychaouche> oops sorry
• 2472[22:49:31] <ychaouche> hello #debian
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• 2474[22:49:45] <diogenes_> hello ychaouche
• 2475[22:49:48] <LtL> ychaouche: hello
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• 2477[22:50:15] <ychaouche> Do you know if there's a way to install a linux system on a thumb drive ? like not a live system, a real system with permanent writes, on a thumb drive.
• 2478[22:50:59] <diogenes_> ychaouche, it's called install with persistence, try unetbootin
• 2479[22:51:21] <ychaouche> I have unetbootin but I don't see any specific option for that. Is it by default ?
• 2480[22:51:58] <ychaouche> In fact, I have used unetbootin to install a linux distribution with a bootable thumb drive
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• 2484[22:53:16] <diogenes_> ychaouche, replaced-url
• 2485[22:53:22] <ychaouche> but the usual installation process is you install on the hard disk. I would like to know if it's possible to have the hard disk partitition mounted as "/home" while the thumb drive, where the OS will be installed, be mounted as "/"
• 2486[22:53:24] <edgardoweb> LtL, replaced-url
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• 2488[22:53:53] <ychaouche> thanks for the link diogenes_
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• 2490[22:55:38] <edgardoweb> diogenes_, replaced-url
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• 2495[22:57:02] <LtL> edgardoweb: what does # systemctl status teamviewerd.service say?
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• 2497[22:57:21] <diogenes_> edgardoweb, maybe: sudo dpkg-reconfigure teamviewer
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• 2507[23:01:29] <edgardoweb> LtL, yes
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• 2510[23:02:38] <edgardoweb> diogenes_, sudo can not find the order
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• 2512[23:03:09] <diogenes_> edgardoweb, try: sudo apt purge teamviewer
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• 2523[23:11:56] <ychaouche> is it safe to unmount /home at runtime ?
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• 2526[23:13:22] <LtL> remove won't remove config files, apt-get remove --purge packagename surely will. then apt autoremove ; then reinstall. if you get broken packages run 'apt-get install -f'
• 2527[23:13:40] <LtL> rinse repeat
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• 2547[23:30:19] <bltzfsck> is Debian for raspberry pi much different from Raspbian?
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• 2550[23:31:41] <FinalX> raspbian has slightly better performance because it's specifically tuned and built for the pi
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• 2553[23:31:52] <FinalX> debian's regular version is more generic and universal
• 2554[23:32:05] <FinalX> but the installable packages are just the same
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• 2556[23:32:20] <FinalX> (generally speaking)
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• 2563[23:34:10] <bltzfsck> i got riscos going, thinking it was made for arm, and it made me crazy.
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• 2583[23:46:38] <galex-713> Hi
• 2584[23:46:48] <galex-713> Is there a way to have source-specific routing under debian?
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• 2596[23:51:40] <star314> @home, I am using Apt-Cacher-NG and it works great. It saves me a lot of time when updating desktop PC, fileserver, etc. There is one tiny problem: I have added an Apt-Cacher-NG entry also to sources.list.d to my laptop which is not a problem when I am at home. However, when I am not at home and I run apt-get then, of course, it complains about the missing access to the caching server. I guess there is no way to include something like an if statement to
• 2597[23:51:40] <star314> a sources.list, right?
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• 2604[23:54:41] <star314> A dirty hack to solve the problem is to use a script that checks the current network connection before running apt-get and when I am not at home which temporarily removes the Apt-Cacher-NG entry from sources.list.d. Any other/better suggestions?
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