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3 [00:02:45] <jhutchins> ,kernels
4 [00:02:47] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.13-1); buster: 4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.18.20-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-
5 [00:02:48] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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54 [00:31:13] <karlpinc> noahmg123: Possibly. Sometimes installing a kernel from backports makes some magic happen with the hardware.
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156 [01:32:53] <agio> hi, does anyone know if setting a mouse config in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-mouse-config.conf would persist accross a USB mouse being connected/disconnected?
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227 [02:33:23] <karlpinc> agio: It feels like it should persist, but I haven't worked it out.
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294 [03:10:55] <jorb> i want to resize the partitions on my drive (its a qemu qcow disc). but the default way debian does an install is that it puts the swap and boot partitions in the middle
295 [03:11:16] <jorb> how do resize this bad boy, or shoudl i just start over?
296 [03:11:56] <jorb> is this a terrible question?
297 [03:12:03] <dvs> boot partition in the middle? The swap is no problem but with boot in the middle, I'd start over. But this time, do a manual partition.
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300 [03:13:03] <jorb> oh your right boot in the middle wouldn't work eh?
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306 [03:17:09] <jorb> replaced-url
307 [03:17:39] <jorb> thats a screen of the disk just want to extend the thing into the unallocated, just a sanity check that its possible, i don't really see why not
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317 [03:21:11] <jorb> didn't notice it was an extended partition, and had to select the outside part, i feel special, i think maybe i've come down with some brain damage of some sort
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321 [03:22:36] <dvs> jorb, oh gawd. go gpt
322 [03:23:25] <jorb> yeah i mean thats just the default that i have working with, good idea yeah
323 [03:24:18] <jorb> i mean gotta wonder why that is the default really? is it just cause its not UEFI? not sure
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325 [03:24:34] <jorb> i just did the "guided use whole disk" on the install
326 [03:24:35] <dvs> oh, that could be it
327 [03:24:48] <dvs> yeah, don't do that. (at least I dont)
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329 [03:25:24] <jorb> i don't really need anything fancy, just poking around with qemu/libvirt
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381 [04:08:38] <wasutton3> has anyone had recent success in installing hashcat on stretch with a GCN 1.1 AMD GPU? I keep getting "error: OpenCL version 1.1 does not support the 'static' storage class specifier"
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406 [04:28:20] <VerrueckterMongo> trying to verifiy download debian iso but "gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS" fails
407 [04:28:49] <VerrueckterMongo> gpg: Can't check signature: No public key
408 [04:29:10] <VerrueckterMongo> im doing this on debian + debian-keyring is installed
409 [04:30:31] <VerrueckterMongo> or where do i get the that were used to sign sums files
410 [04:30:39] <VerrueckterMongo> *get the key
411 [04:32:10] <VerrueckterMongo> gpg: Signature made Sat Nov 10 23:05:20 2018 CET
412 [04:32:10] <VerrueckterMongo> gpg: using RSA key DF9B9C49EAA9298432589D76DA87E80D6294BE9B
413 [04:34:57] <VerrueckterMongo> im pretty suprised that there is no ky on my debian system to verify an debian iso sums file signature
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416 [04:39:46] <themill> VerrueckterMongo: gpg dpesm
417 [04:39:55] <themill> VerrueckterMongo: gpg doesn't know where to find that key unless you tell it
418 [04:39:58] <themill> !check iso signature
419 [04:39:58] <dpkg> On a Debian box, you can check the installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUMS and SHA256SUMS.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS; gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>.
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427 [04:46:51] <VerrueckterMongo> themill, thank you "gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign" did the trick
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507 [05:48:21] <cstk421> what is the least taxing method to monitor CPU / IO / Network etc like TOP stats 24/7 and output to log ?
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523 [06:07:58] <Kobaz> sooooo
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526 [06:08:29] <Kobaz> dns lookups with ssh fail, and host works... and nssswitch is hosts: files dns....... what else is going on?
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534 [06:13:55] <themill> Kobaz: is it your ~/.ssh/config or /etc/hosts that is wrong then?
535 [06:14:09] <Kobaz> that's the thing
536 [06:14:27] <Kobaz> there is no ~/.ssh/config, and /etc/hosts does not have an entry for the host
537 [06:14:32] <Kobaz> and i'm using a FQDN
538 [06:14:50] <themill> what is in your /etc/resolv.conf?
539 [06:15:16] <Kobaz> options attempts:2 timeout:1 and some digital ocean nameservers... 67.207.67.3 67.207.67.2
540 [06:16:24] <themill> some verbosity from ssh might help
541 [06:16:34] <Kobaz> it comes and goes
542 [06:16:36] <Kobaz> yeah i'll do that
543 [06:16:38] <Kobaz> next time it fails
544 [06:16:46] <Kobaz> like 30 seconds later it works
545 [06:17:09] <Kobaz> host/ping/etc all work fine
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547 [06:17:21] <Kobaz> and the googles all point to nsswitch issues, or not using FQDNs
548 [06:17:25] <Kobaz> all of which don't apply so far
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552 [06:17:42] <Kobaz> this has been going on for weeks, a bit bugging me
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598 [07:13:35] <zenix_2k2> guys i have a little question --> replaced-url
599 [07:13:38] <zenix_2k2> is there any difference ?
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602 [07:15:04] <agio> hi, im trying to put a redirect into a script with:
603 [07:15:06] <agio> #!/bin/bash
604 [07:15:08] <agio> exec >(logger -t test_redir)
605 [07:15:22] <bites> zenix_2k2: the first one has the installer, the other ones additional packages. if you have access to the internet during installation pick the netinst image, it's much smaller than the dvd image.
606 [07:15:39] <agio> but when I run it - syslog keeps showing some pam errors?
607 [07:16:25] <zenix_2k2> bites: yea but don't the other 2 also have an installer ? if not how can i install them ?
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609 [07:16:46] <themill> zenix_2k2: they are extra packages to use with the installer
610 [07:16:47] <bites> you add them as a package source after installation.
611 [07:16:51] <agio> well pam is not erroring - its seems its just getting involved (opening a session?)
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614 [07:17:50] <zenix_2k2> themill: oh so like they are just the first one with extra packages ?
615 [07:17:58] <themill> no, just extra packages
616 [07:18:12] <zenix_2k2> weird, how can i install them without an installer ?
617 [07:18:20] <themill> you have the installer
618 [07:18:25] <themill> and then you have extra packages
619 [07:18:56] <themill> this is actually answered on the link you gave btw
620 [07:19:27] <themill> It's also highly unlikely you even want any of these big images, unless you're planning on going off grid and then trying to install.
621 [07:19:51] <zenix_2k2> well i am trying to install a Debian distro for amd64
622 [07:19:55] <zenix_2k2> but they are like 3 of em
623 [07:19:59] <zenix_2k2> so i came here to ask
624 [07:20:04] <themill> please read... ;(
625 [07:20:20] <zenix_2k2> ok i know, i already had your answers above
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628 [07:21:43] <zenix_2k2> themill: yea but one more thing, by "installer" you mean software like Universal USB installer, Unetbootin,... ?
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631 [07:22:20] <themill> no, I mean an image that you can boot from and then use to install Debian
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633 [07:23:12] <themill> !ig
634 [07:23:12] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at replaced-url
635 [07:23:20] <zenix_2k2> themill: yea but aren't all 3 of them can do that ?
636 [07:23:22] <zenix_2k2> oh ok
637 [07:23:34] <themill> dude... we've been through that
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646 [07:24:28] <zenix_2k2> themill: ehm yea but, i am still kinda lost... according to what you said, the other 2 ( 2 and 3 ) sound kiinda useless
647 [07:24:34] <zenix_2k2> cause it doesn't have an installer
648 [07:24:49] <themill> they are unless you want to install in the middle of the sahara
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650 [07:25:32] <themill> which is even explained in the link you provided
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652 [07:25:48] <zenix_2k2> yea, right... let's me read it
653 [07:25:53] <diogenes_> New systemd vulnerabilities discovered, assigned as CVE-2018-16864, CVE-2018-16865, and CVE-2018-16866, actually resides in the "systemd-journald" service that collects information from different sources and creates event logs by logging information in the journal.
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658 [07:30:24] <zenix_2k2> themill: oh so if i don't have internet connection, those 2 and 3 are gonna be helpful ?
659 [07:31:03] <zenix_2k2> yea seriously i still don't really know how/where to put them anyway, maybe connecting to the internet is fine
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954 [10:50:13] <ErVito> hi guys
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956 [10:50:58] <JustASlacker> please dont be sexist
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960 [10:52:12] <ErVito> debian 64bit doesn't install on toshiba tecra x40. It hangs after probing edd.
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962 [10:53:03] <ErVito> 32bit version installs and boots smoothly
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966 [10:55:16] <ErVito> i tried to disable edd (although it returns "ok") and i tried some solutions i found by google without success
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982 [11:05:53] <wrksx> hey there
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984 [11:06:59] <wrksx> I'm trying, for learning/testing purpose to create a LAN with 2 linux machines (vitual machines)
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986 [11:07:59] <wrksx> right now I'm trying to setup static ip addresses on both and get them to ping each other
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992 [11:10:32] <wrksx> I added a net interface that shows up as eth1 in one machine, and trying to configure that with a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces
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995 [11:11:13] <wrksx> the other vm has only one interface (eth0) that I'm trying to config with a static address too
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999 [11:11:51] <wrksx> I couldn't find out how to make them ping each other
1000 [11:12:21] <wrksx> is a gatway needed for a simple ping on the same subnet ?
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1042 [11:35:35] <ErVito> the setup of debian 64bit hangs after probing edd (although it returns "ok") but the 32bit version installs and boots smoothly
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1065 [11:53:48] <grandfso> Hi, anyone can advise whether backing up the MBR by dd'ing first 512 bytes is a sufficient method of backing up the MBR nowodays? Asking, because I want to overwrite the MBR wigh Grub, but the drive I want to install it on has an os installed on a partition encrypted with Safeboot (mcafee disk encription - this means that fucking up the MBR can make me unable to boot the encrypted system).
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1070 [11:56:29] <tarzeau> grandfso: can you boot the thing with an external usb stick?
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1072 [11:57:08] <tarzeau> grandfso: if so, that's the safe way, don't rely on you 512 bytes backup. grub is not lilo, it'll not be enough IMHO and depending if you have GPT or not, it'll only get more complicated
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1076 [11:57:38] <grandfso> yes
1077 [11:58:07] <tarzeau> have a backup?
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1079 [11:59:37] <grandfso> sorry, got disctracted at work...
1080 [11:59:57] <grandfso> Yes - I am running the from liveusb and this is how I copied the 512bytes of my MBR
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1084 [12:01:33] <grandfso> I think that the 512 bytes is not enough today for MBR...
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1086 [12:02:27] <grandfso> So need to read about GPT (because I have a partition like EFI, boot)
1087 [12:02:29] <grandfso> cheers
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1107 [12:17:28] <ErVito> hey there, the setup of debian 64bit hangs after probing edd (although it returns "ok") but the 32bit version installs and boots smoothly
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1168 [12:50:46] <tangorri> hi, how can I get video driver capabilites (opengl etc) ?
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1171 [12:52:29] <blackflow> tangorri: one way is too look at the output of `glxinfo` (it's in mesa-utils package)
1172 [12:52:47] <tangorri> thanks
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1174 [12:52:50] <Cefiar> tangorri: there's glxinfo but it's a bit verbose. the 'inxi' package might also be useful (look at 'inxi -G'
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1179 [12:55:10] <tangorri> ho yeah really verbose :D
1180 [12:55:28] <tangorri> thanks btw it workd well
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1191 [13:01:30] <tmroland> how can i completely remove libreoffice
1192 [13:02:06] <colo-work> `sudo apt-get purge "libreoffice.*"` should do it
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1194 [13:02:44] <colo-work> user-specific config files won't get removed. only files the package "owns" will be affected.
1195 [13:03:21] <tmroland> but as far as i read purge option removes configuration files for the package
1196 [13:03:37] <tmroland> and in the case of libreoffice as man yother apps those are user specific no?
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1199 [13:04:29] <colo-work> "purge" will not remove runtime-generated configuration files
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1202 [13:04:44] <tmroland> it will remove config files in the users home dir ?
1203 [13:04:49] <colo-work> no
1204 [13:04:55] <tmroland> then what does purge even do
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1207 [13:05:14] <colo-work> it will remove modified and unmodified configuration files that the package owns.
1208 [13:05:29] <colo-work> that is, if you touch anything in /etc/libreoffice/
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1210 [13:05:32] <colo-work> and modify it
1211 [13:05:42] <colo-work> purge will make sure that goes away upon uninstallation
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1214 [13:06:08] <tmroland> i see
1215 [13:06:20] <tmroland> any way to get rid of the obviously unnecessary to kde but forced to install kde pim suite ?
1216 [13:06:29] <tmroland> or is debian actually not letting u do that without removing all of kde
1217 [13:06:30] <tmroland> which seems to be
1218 [13:06:54] <tmroland> whwnever i try to remove those pesky fragmented useless apps it wants to remoev all kde
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1263 [13:33:24] <Fox> marz_d`ghostman: lspci ?
1264 [13:34:00] <marz_d`ghostman> Fox: Yeah, I just figured that one out, thanks though. `lspci | egrep -i --color 'network|ethernet`
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1357 [14:25:22] <wrksx> is there a debian console only live iso ready to download somewhere?
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1362 [14:26:42] <Fox> wrksx: just don't select anything in tasksel when installing and you're done
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1364 [14:27:09] <wrksx> Fox, not sure what you call tasksel
1365 [14:27:21] <wrksx> you mean using the netinstall cd ?
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1370 [14:29:01] <Fox> wrksx: at some point the installer should ask you if you want a mail server, a web server, etc. just don't select anything and you'll have the base system only
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1376 [14:30:44] <wrksx> sorry quick disconnection
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1379 [14:31:26] <Fox> wrksx: replaced-url
1380 [14:31:36] <xand> not a live iso though
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1384 [14:32:31] <wrksx> yeah I'm specifically interested in a lightweigh, console only, debian live iso
1385 [14:32:46] <wrksx> Fox, ty
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1388 [14:33:24] <Fox> ah, live iso, sorry...
1389 [14:33:35] <DammitJim> how can I figure out why my load average is 7.06?
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1394 [14:34:17] <DammitJim> is that directly related to %CPU usage?
1395 [14:34:22] <xand> not necessarily
1396 [14:34:24] <DammitJim> (I have a process that is using 21%
1397 [14:34:24] <xand> can be CPU or IO
1398 [14:34:32] <DammitJim> and another that is using about 7%
1399 [14:34:41] <xand> e.g. something disk-intensive
1400 [14:34:44] <DammitJim> IO... oh, how do I look at IO?
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1402 [14:35:07] <JustASlacker> iostat for once
1403 [14:35:10] <JustASlacker> google has more
1404 [14:35:14] <xand> iotop
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1406 [14:36:52] <CrystalMath> is any other stable user suffering from the same problem regarding emoji in the terminal?
1407 [14:37:01] <DammitJim> xand, to make sure I understand... with iotop, I'm looking at the IO %?
1408 [14:37:16] <niko> CrystalMath: i always suffers when i see emoji
1409 [14:37:28] <CrystalMath> like... somehow the system just can't seem to calculate the width of it
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1423 [14:42:52] <CrystalMath> this problem is really really bad and i can't figure it out
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1427 [14:43:29] <CrystalMath> i haven't even been able to work around it
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1434 [14:45:18] <Fox> emoji in a terminal, but why
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1440 [14:46:53] <samtunez> Hey
1441 [14:47:44] <samtunez> I have the problem that my keyboard only works after some time after booting. Like an hour or so. Any ideas why that could be?
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1447 [14:49:48] <Kohlrabi> I had troubles like that in the past with USB powered devices, sometimes keyboard would not power, or drives would not be mounted
1448 [14:49:54] <Kohlrabi> Tried different USB ports?
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1451 [14:50:38] <samtunez> Yes
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1454 [14:51:54] <Kohlrabi> Tried a different keyboard?
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1457 [14:53:13] <tmroland> is it a good idea to update stretch kernel to 4.19 from backports?
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1465 [14:59:46] <samtunez> And I’ve tried different keyboards even some wireless ones
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1493 [15:13:26] <juhop> do you see anything in dmesg when you insert the keyboard?
1494 [15:13:46] <tmroland> should i update kernel from 4.9 to 4.19 in stretch?
1495 [15:14:06] <Fox> tmroland: do you have troubles with 4.9 ?
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1497 [15:14:17] <tmroland> no, just looking for improved performance whneever possible
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1501 [15:15:03] <Fox> are there some benchs saying 4.19 has imporved performances over 4.19 ? that's a real question, not being sarcastic
1502 [15:15:19] <Fox> s/over 4.19/over 4.9/
1503 [15:15:27] <tmroland> no idea but its a long way from 4.9 to 4.19, imthinking there might be performance optiimzations for newer hardware ? ie ryzen
1504 [15:15:47] <Fox> then you should look at the changelogs
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1508 [15:19:23] <tmroland> and yes i find 4.19 from sid boots faster than stretch 4.9
1509 [15:19:33] <tmroland> theres some messages on 4.9 about ata0 link down where it spends 4-5 sec
1510 [15:19:38] <tmroland> on 4.19 it doesnt
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1515 [15:21:19] <wwilliam> GM may I ask an lftp question here please?
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1527 [15:26:42] <Old_Dog> fof course
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1531 [15:27:01] <Old_Dog> may not get an answer, though
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1537 [15:27:25] <wwilliam> ok
1538 [15:27:30] <wwilliam> thanks
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1542 [15:29:50] <wwilliam> I have this command wich in part works fine, I what i need is only the files not the subdirs from the remote server, thank you.
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1544 [15:30:04] <wwilliam> mirror --newer-than=now-1days --use-pget-n=10 $ftpdir $wdir
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1546 [15:30:14] <wwilliam> any help is appreciated , thank you.
1547 [15:30:53] <wwilliam> mirror --newer-than=now-1days --use-pget-n=10 "$ftpdir" "$wdir"
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1556 [15:34:11] <samtunez> Juhop: I cannot log in, but I do get a message displayed that a usb device(with the name of the keyboard) has been plugged in
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1569 [15:38:25] <CrystalMath> Fox: i never send them, but suppose they appear on a channel
1570 [15:38:41] <CrystalMath> Fox: every following line gets offset by 1
1571 [15:38:48] <CrystalMath> Fox: and it just ruins everything
1572 [15:38:56] <CrystalMath> anyone on IRC can destroy my terminal just by posting an emoji
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1574 [15:39:36] <greycat> sounds like a bug in your client
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1576 [15:39:58] <CrystalMath> greycat: any client i try does the same thing
1577 [15:40:02] <greycat> (or possibly in your terminal)
1578 [15:40:15] <CrystalMath> any terminal i try does the same thing :(
1579 [15:40:26] <CrystalMath> though, some break differently
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1581 [15:40:51] <CrystalMath> the linux kernel tty doesn't break
1582 [15:41:27] <CrystalMath> and of course clients that are not using ncurses work
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1584 [15:42:09] <greycat> People post UTF-8 characters (including "emoji" like faces) here all the time, and I've never had any problem like you're describing, and I've never heard anyone else *mention* such a problem before.
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1590 [15:45:19] <tmroland> so i installed kernel from backports and upgraded system packages from backports before that and now removed nvidia driver and reinstalled it
1591 [15:45:29] <tmroland> but display still doesnt work, just flickers and hangs at console
1592 [15:45:33] <tmroland> what am i missing
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1597 [15:47:17] <tmroland> i dont understand why does it have to be such a mess
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1622 [16:01:53] <grandfso> Hi, I have a question about dd command. If I dump an entire disk to a file, using "dd if=/dev/sda conv=sync,noerror bs=128K", will the output file be sufficient to restore that disk later on in case of failure ? Not sure if this matters, but the hard drive I want to make image of is an SSD, with GPT, some unallocated space. It also is encrypted. Asking because I am going to play with MBR / GPT table and I'm 99% convinced i will break it several times.
1623 [16:02:33] <SwedeMike> grandfso: yes. I do this all the time, and have numerous times used the resulting fine to get back to where I was.
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1625 [16:02:50] <SwedeMike> grandfso: if you're afraid of bad blocks, use gddrescue instead.
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1627 [16:03:11] <grandfso> SwedeMike: thanks for confirmation. are there bad blocks on ssd ?
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1630 [16:04:11] <grandfso> ok, there may be bad blocks...
1631 [16:04:13] <CrystalMath> greycat: hmm... are you using a terminal-based client?
1632 [16:04:33] <greycat> I am currently using irssi inside screen inside urxvt on Debian 9.
1633 [16:04:44] <SwedeMike> grandfso: well, I've never needed "conv=sync,noerror" so I don't know why you included that
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1636 [16:05:02] <grandfso> SwedeMike: found that through google :)
1637 [16:05:14] <CrystalMath> grandfso: if i send something like... 😛
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1640 [16:05:29] <grandfso> conv=noerror : Tell dd to continue operation, ignoring all read errors.
1641 [16:05:29] <CrystalMath> *greycat
1642 [16:05:29] <grandfso> sync : Add input blocks with zeroes if there were any read errors, so data offsets stay in sync.
1643 [16:05:39] <CrystalMath> sorry grandfso, i meant greycat
1644 [16:05:43] <SwedeMike> there are plenty of pitfalls with UTF-8 if you don't do it right, for instance if you have old settings from older installs of system.
1645 [16:05:44] <greycat> I see a face-thing.
1646 [16:05:56] <CrystalMath> greycat: is your terminal falling apart?
1647 [16:05:59] <greycat> no
1648 [16:06:04] <CrystalMath> mine is :/
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1651 [16:06:25] <SwedeMike> grandfso: right, so that is only a problem in case there are read errors, and then gddrescue solves that problem. if you don't have read errors, you don't need those options.
1652 [16:06:40] <CrystalMath> greycat: are you using a libc6 from backports?
1653 [16:06:52] <greycat> Gods no, why would I do such a thing.
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1655 [16:07:16] <CrystalMath> i'm not either, i just thought maybe the bug is in libc6
1656 [16:07:17] <grandfso> SwedeMike: neat, very helpfull. I will probably look into gddrescue because I want to be sure I can restore the drive later
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1658 [16:07:39] <SwedeMike> grandfso: but that dd line will work as well.
1659 [16:08:22] <grandfso> SwedeMike: provided there are no read errors
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1662 [16:08:54] <grandfso> if I understand correctly.
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1664 [16:09:25] <SwedeMike> grandfso: right. That's why I don't use those options because if there are errors I just want dd to stop. if I know there are errors, I'll just use gddrescue instead.
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1666 [16:10:19] <grandfso> SwedeMike: makes sense, so dd w/o these options would work and throw error in case of bad blocks, then you would use gddrescue. got it.
1667 [16:10:39] <fling> Is there a packaged free software ethereum wallet? eos?
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1697 [16:25:08] <CrystalMath> greycat: it seems that wcwidth() is reporting the wrong width
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1699 [16:26:12] <greycat> funny how it's only affecting you and not anyone else
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1701 [16:26:25] <CrystalMath> greycat: i definitely see bug reports about it
1702 [16:26:29] <greycat> ok
1703 [16:26:40] <CrystalMath> hold on, i'll give you a link
1704 [16:26:57] <CrystalMath> replaced-url
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1706 [16:27:59] <CrystalMath> greycat: this definitely happens to me in every terminal, in both tmux and screen and without, and with any client that uses ncurses
1707 [16:28:48] <greycat> so irssi isn't showing the symptoms because it doesn't use ncurses?
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1709 [16:29:21] <CrystalMath> greycat: or it is, but it doesn't have sidebars and stuff
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1711 [16:30:16] <SwedeMike> I have UTF-8 issues in alpine only, works fine in irssi and in other places.
1712 [16:30:49] <CrystalMath> maybe i can replace wcwidth() with my own
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1715 [16:31:28] <SwedeMike> that's the problem I have in alpine, it gets the width wrong.
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1719 [16:35:06] <CrystalMath> so it seems that wcwidth() returns 1, when it should return 2
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1721 [16:35:15] <greycat> CrystalMath: the page you gave me speaks of a bug in glib, NOT in libc6
1722 [16:35:28] <CrystalMath> greycat: yeah but this definitely has nothing to do with glib
1723 [16:36:03] <CrystalMath> let me search mroe
1724 [16:36:05] <CrystalMath> *more
1725 [16:36:09] <CrystalMath> most people seem to have no idea what's happening
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1727 [16:36:48] <CrystalMath> they keep blaming various things, but i definitely tried both urxvt and mate-terminal and gnome-terminal and xfce4-terminal and xst and xterm, ..
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1729 [16:37:04] <CrystalMath> everything both libvte-based and not libvte-based
1730 [16:37:10] <CrystalMath> the problem happens every single time
1731 [16:37:17] <CrystalMath> it has to be wcwidth()
1732 [16:37:37] <CrystalMath> or the fonts
1733 [16:37:49] <CrystalMath> one of those is wrong, because, the font thinks the width is 2, wcwidth() says 1
1734 [16:38:31] <CrystalMath> glib thinks the width is 2 as well apparently
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1736 [16:38:40] <CrystalMath> everything apart from libc6 agrees
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1741 [16:41:18] <CrystalMath> greycat: supposedly it has been fixed in 2.27, but i'm not sure: replaced-url
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1755 [16:49:53] <InvisibleRasta> guys i launched something in my MATE De and now i have some numbers showing next to the clock applet in the panel... its not clickable and i cant figure out how to close it replaced-url
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1772 [16:55:44] <neilthereildeil> hi
1773 [16:55:53] <neilthereildeil> how can i temporarily disable iptabkes to test something?
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1775 [16:56:06] <Wulf> neilthereildeil: remove the kernel modules
1776 [16:56:23] <Wulf> neilthereildeil: or set iptables policies to default and flush all rules
1777 [16:56:31] <Wulf> neilthereildeil: or insert ACCEPT rules at the top
1778 [16:56:41] <neilthereildeil> that requires changing confiuration
1779 [16:56:46] <Wulf> neilthereildeil: exactly.
1780 [16:56:52] <neilthereildeil> i wanna make a stateless change that will be reverted when i reboot
1781 [16:56:55] <mutante> just don't flush them without changing the policy first.. very common to lock yourself out
1782 [16:57:10] <Wulf> neilthereildeil: what I suggested is not permanent.
1783 [16:57:10] <neilthereildeil> can i just stop a service or something?
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1786 [16:57:23] <InvisibleRasta> does anyone kowhow to remove those 3 white citcles with 9 A and the arrows i do not evenknow what that is
1787 [16:57:49] <Wulf> InvisibleRasta: neither do I. Post a photo.
1788 [16:57:50] <mutante> neilthereildeil: if you'd use ferm to generate the iptables rules you could just stop ferm service.. but if it's directly iptables there is no service
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1791 [16:58:02] <InvisibleRasta> wulf i did
1792 [16:58:13] <InvisibleRasta> guys i launched something in my MATE De and now i have some numbers showing next to the clock applet in the panel... its not clickable and i cant figure out how to close it replaced-url
1793 [16:58:29] <Wulf> InvisibleRasta: oh. Press caps-lock and num-lock.
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1795 [16:58:47] <Wulf> InvisibleRasta: and scroll-lock if you can find the key
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1797 [16:59:29] <neilthereildeil> im trynna set up samba server on my debian install
1798 [16:59:31] <InvisibleRasta> I DONT HAVE SCROLL LOCK KEY
1799 [16:59:36] <InvisibleRasta> sorry caps
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1801 [16:59:41] <neilthereildeil> i followed the instructions here :replaced-url
1802 [16:59:51] <neilthereildeil> but i am not able to remotely access the SMB server
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1804 [16:59:58] <neilthereildeil> even with iptables module unloaded
1805 [17:00:03] <neilthereildeil> what else should i try?
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1809 [17:00:32] <Wulf> InvisibleRasta: do the symbols change somehow when you press num/caps-lock?
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1813 [17:00:48] <neilthereildeil> i unloaded the iptable_filter kernel module
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1815 [17:00:51] <InvisibleRasta> yes Wulf they turn red
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1817 [17:00:59] <InvisibleRasta> jsut 9 and A turn red
1818 [17:01:01] <Wulf> InvisibleRasta: excellent. Now you now their purpose ;-)
1819 [17:01:07] <neilthereildeil> and a port can shows tcp137-139 are closed
1820 [17:01:08] <InvisibleRasta> i jsut want to remove this from the tray bar
1821 [17:01:14] <neilthereildeil> although samba service is running
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1825 [17:01:41] <Wulf> InvisibleRasta: right click them, drag them, find some configuration dialog to change your system tray or mate bar, dunno.
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1831 [17:02:12] <Wulf> neilthereildeil: remote = through internet?
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1833 [17:02:22] <neilthereildeil> through the same subnet
1834 [17:02:25] <neilthereildeil> on my network
1835 [17:02:40] <Wulf> neilthereildeil: check with tcpdump or other network sniffer what happens.
1836 [17:03:13] <neilthereildeil> is there some other obvious thin i might have missed before i start debugging packets?
1837 [17:03:18] <neilthereildeil> thing*
1838 [17:03:29] <neilthereildeil> is that tutorial known to work?
1839 [17:03:41] <Wulf> neilthereildeil: debugging is often so much faster than pondering over it.
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1842 [17:05:25] <neilthereildeil> FYI i was able to sucessfully "mount -t cifs" the share locally using the mount command on the same machine where the smb server is running
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1859 [17:14:34] <shadow98> i don't fully understand ssl certificate generation. When a cert expires how do you generated a new CSR off the existing installed certificates data.
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1863 [17:16:40] <mutante> shadow98: you dont, you create it based off the existing private key, not the cert itself
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1873 [17:19:35] <tmroland> so i installed kernel 4.18 from stretch backports and now suddenly and magically X / gdm doesnt work anymore?
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1876 [17:25:35] <friendofafriend> tmroland: What driver are you using?
1877 [17:25:44] <tmroland> nvidia 385 from stretch non free
1878 [17:25:57] <shadow98> ok thanks for hint heads me in the right direction now :)
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1880 [17:26:22] <tmroland> had it installed before upgrading packages and kernel from backports repo , rebooted, uninstalled driver with apt purge, rebooted, reinstalled with apt install nvidia-driver nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig, rebooted, x dead
1881 [17:26:36] <tmroland> console/screen flickering and locking me out , cant even log in to text mode
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1884 [17:26:57] <friendofafriend> I'd first check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for hints. It's possible, if you had an xorg.conf file, that it's been moved to another name.
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1886 [17:27:20] <tmroland> but why would that happen?
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1888 [17:28:05] <friendofafriend> tmroland: NVIDIA sometimes decides your existing configuration files won't work with a new release, and moves them or changes them.
1889 [17:28:24] <tmroland> i checked x log, no errors or warnings
1890 [17:28:29] <tmroland> everything looks clean and nice start to end
1891 [17:28:30] <friendofafriend> It can be frustrating, so it's important to back up your xorg.conf file when you have it working as you want.
1892 [17:28:51] <tmroland> but i already generated a new one with nvidia-xconfig after driver got installed, it wrote it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
1893 [17:28:54] <tmroland> why doesnt it use it?
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1896 [17:29:29] <friendofafriend> Maybe you could post your Xorg.0.log to a paste site, such as replaced-url
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1900 [17:31:21] <tmroland> replaced-url
1901 [17:31:33] <tmroland> this is on the working configuration right now
1902 [17:31:42] <tmroland> which is with kernel 4.9 booted
1903 [17:31:44] <tmroland> instead of 4.18
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1919 [17:44:05] <tmroland> so?
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1926 [17:46:43] <shadow98> mutante: I have a cnf file that I am using to generate csr off my private key as you suggested. The certificate authority is erroring saying filedName: Deparment Mailbox Email or requestor email) - I put in the field emailAddress = myemail and then it also says validatorName: Required <- This I am not sure what param needs set in the cnf
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1930 [17:49:02] <friendofafriend> tmroland: So, you'd have to show me the log from when it's *not* working.
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1935 [17:51:05] <tmroland> ok
1936 [17:51:07] <tmroland> ill reboot and try
1937 [17:51:09] <tmroland> brb
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1971 [18:09:34] <tmroland> replaced-url
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1978 [18:12:39] <tmroland> oh and now on kernel 4.9 there are issues too, whenever X starts it just flickers 10 sec and hangs
1979 [18:12:48] <tmroland> then graphical and then back to text mode and back to graphical
1980 [18:12:51] <tmroland> really slow and glitchy
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1982 [18:13:10] <tmroland> i guess the system is completely destroyed
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1984 [18:14:25] <friendofafriend> You'll just have to put it in a box, and send it over. >_>
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1989 [18:16:30] <friendofafriend> tmroland: If you already have stretch-backports, you should probably try installing the NVIDIA driver from there.
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1991 [18:17:38] <friendofafriend> I see you're on 384.xx, but backports has at least 390.xx. replaced-url
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2001 [18:23:24] <tmroland> how do i do that
2002 [18:23:30] <tmroland> oh
2003 [18:23:32] <tmroland> i see
2004 [18:23:34] <tmroland> ok ill try
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2027 [18:38:42] <tmroland> yea, that was the issue
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2029 [18:38:48] <tmroland> my video and gui all work smooth and stable now
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2031 [18:39:02] <tmroland> after installing kernel from backporst i had to upgrade the nvidia driver from backports as well
2032 [18:39:07] <tmroland> rebooted, all good
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2037 [18:40:20] <marz_d`ghostman> I have connected a network card on a server and it appears that eno1 is not listed when I run `ip ad`. eno2, eno3, and eno4 are there though. Any thoughts as to what might be wrong?
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2039 [18:40:48] <Bacteria> does a child proces kil parent?
2040 [18:41:14] <greycat> if it's /usr/bin/oedipus
2041 [18:41:27] <petn-randall> Bacteria: Why should it?
2042 [18:41:28] <Bacteria> lol
2043 [18:41:40] <Bacteria> r children evil?
2044 [18:41:47] <greycat> there's nothing *stopping* it from doing so, but it's not common
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2047 [18:42:21] <Bacteria> well i thot if i kill child then that would return not running to parent
2048 [18:42:25] <Bacteria> which would die then
2049 [18:42:31] <Bacteria> or no?
2050 [18:42:50] <petn-randall> Bacteria: Why would the parent die? Child processes terminate all the time.
2051 [18:42:55] <greycat> So your original question was supposed to read, "Does KILLING a child process also kill the parent?"?
2052 [18:43:07] <greycat> Because that is entirely different from what you actually did ask.
2053 [18:43:12] <Bacteria> shit
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2055 [18:44:11] <Bacteria> stupid children
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2083 [18:55:53] <Bacteria> what is stop as a group do?
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2086 [18:56:02] <Bacteria> in supervisor
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2096 [19:00:43] <tmroland> weird how on ALL distros/kernels/nvidia video driver versions gnome 3.28-3.30 runs like crap (slow application start times and slow and choppy animations)
2097 [19:00:58] <tmroland> as soon as i go back to 3.22 on stretch everything is ultra fast and smooth
2098 [19:01:02] <tmroland> no matter ho wmany customizations
2099 [19:01:05] <tmroland> or extensions
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2101 [19:01:37] <tmroland> so it seems that only older gnome runs good for me (gtx 1080, ryzen 2600x, 16gb, ssd)
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2103 [19:02:05] <tmroland> well i'm glad i got one thing right so far
2104 [19:02:12] <dr4ken> tmroland, maybe drivers?
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2106 [19:02:35] <tmroland> its some performance regression in gnome on nvidia hardware that appears in late gnome de versions
2107 [19:02:37] <tmroland> inexistent in earlier ones
2108 [19:02:38] <Bacteria> supervisorctl reread
2109 [19:02:39] <dr4ken> i mean, maybe newer gnomes does use some new video API calls that arent optimized eyt in your drives or smth
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2111 [19:02:43] <tmroland> yes
2112 [19:02:45] <tmroland> probly
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2114 [19:02:57] <Bacteria> mine is 3.22.2
2115 [19:02:59] <tmroland> but 3.22 is smooth as a smoothie can b e
2116 [19:03:03] <dr4ken> idk, use xfce
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2118 [19:03:07] <dr4ken> or keep older gnome
2119 [19:03:09] <dr4ken> or use mate
2120 [19:03:19] <tmroland> i have custom themes, extensions, icons, dash to panel, transparancy,
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2123 [19:03:22] <tmroland> all fast and smooth af
2124 [19:03:26] <tmroland> doesnt skip a beat
2125 [19:03:30] <dr4ken> but do you have love?
2126 [19:03:34] <tmroland> yes
2127 [19:03:37] <Bacteria> they shud have never got rid of compiz
2128 [19:03:37] <tmroland> now i love my computer
2129 [19:03:40] <dr4ken> (8) what is lovee?(8)
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2131 [19:03:45] <tmroland> finally a lovely gnome
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2134 [19:04:16] <NetTerminalGene> i heard debian buster will freeze soon
2135 [19:04:39] <tmroland> well ist winter
2136 [19:04:42] <dr4ken> whats buster?
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2139 [19:05:15] <greycat> !buster
2140 [19:05:15] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. replaced-url
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2142 [19:05:45] <dr4ken> but i though debian 10 was to be released in smth like 2020
2143 [19:05:54] <greycat> next year, almost certainly
2144 [19:05:59] <greycat> err... shit, it's 2019 already
2145 [19:06:02] <greycat> THIS year, almost certainly
2146 [19:06:03] <dr4ken> yeah
2147 [19:06:06] <dr4ken> :o
2148 [19:06:08] <dr4ken> nice
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2150 [19:06:32] <greycat> !buster freeze
2151 [19:06:32] <dpkg> Buster will start the freeze process on 2019-01-12 see replaced-url
2152 [19:06:51] <dr4ken> soooo
2153 [19:06:52] <mutante> yep, so basically we can upgrade tomorrow?:)
2154 [19:06:58] <dr4ken> debian 10 would have the blaze it kernel?
2155 [19:07:13] <dr4ken> or older_
2156 [19:07:19] <greycat> It's looking like 4.19 for buster.
2157 [19:07:23] <dr4ken> areplaced-url
2158 [19:07:42] <petn-randall> dr4ken: You can always install 4.20 yourself and then blazeit.
2159 [19:07:53] <dr4ken> i know, btu itś not the same
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2161 [19:08:12] <NetTerminalGene> what is blaze it kernel?
2162 [19:08:23] <greycat> It's a joke. 4/20 is a marijuana culture reference
2163 [19:08:24] <dr4ken> if debian10 had come with 4.20, it would have mean plenty of healthy jokes about the "blaze it" distro/release
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2166 [19:08:41] <rpifan> replaced-url
2167 [19:08:44] <rpifan> legit paste
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2169 [19:09:00] <dr4ken> rpifan, lawl
2170 [19:09:09] <Bacteria> any way i can supervisor reread udpate reload all at once
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2173 [19:10:27] <Bacteria> halp!
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2176 [19:11:07] <greycat> As soon as someone knows what the hell you are talking about, I'm sure they will try to answer you.
2177 [19:11:34] <Bacteria> greycat: i know u know supervisor
2178 [19:11:38] <Bacteria> d
2179 [19:11:57] <greycat> I really, truly have no idea what you are talking about. Are you sure you're actually using Debian? Not a derivative?
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2181 [19:12:24] <petn-randall> !ask
2182 [19:12:24] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2183 [19:12:26] <Bacteria> yes debian
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2186 [19:12:39] <petn-randall> Bacteria: Try framing your question along the line of the factoid above. ^^^
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2189 [19:13:20] <mutante> Bacteria: no, killing the child process should not kill the parent. would be kind of against the point of forking afaict
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2191 [19:13:31] <dr4ken> petn-randall, the next thing he is gonan say to us is that he indeed uses a GNU/Linux distro ecks deee
2192 [19:13:33] <Bacteria> ok
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2194 [19:13:40] <Bacteria> mutante: do u know supervisord
2195 [19:13:44] <mutante> Bacteria: nope
2196 [19:13:50] <Bacteria> damit
2197 [19:13:54] <petn-randall> !survey
2198 [19:13:54] <dpkg> methinks survey is Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask.
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2202 [19:14:38] <greycat> No manual entry for supervisord
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2204 [19:14:43] <greycat> Not ringin' a bell here.
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2208 [19:15:22] <InvisibleRasta> would anyone help me to figure out how to build and install this ackage please? replaced-url
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2210 [19:16:17] <Bacteria> u guys r gona make me join gentoo
2211 [19:16:20] <Bacteria> :(
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2216 [19:17:47] <greycat> ,info supervisor
2217 [19:17:48] <judd> Package supervisor (admin, extra) in stretch/amd64: System for controlling process state. Version: 3.3.1-1+deb9u1; Size: 273.2k; Installed: 1418k; Homepage: replaced-url
2218 [19:18:02] <Bacteria> ya see
2219 [19:18:05] <Bacteria> good job
2220 [19:18:15] <petn-randall> Bacteria: You're still failing at step 1. Asking an actual coherent question.
2221 [19:18:30] <greycat> Instead of talking like a brain-damaged adolescent on mobile, you could try using sentences. Like, "I'm on stretch, I installed the supervisor package, and I did _____"
2222 [19:18:36] <Bacteria> u have to tell me u know it first
2223 [19:18:41] <Bacteria> petn-randall:
2224 [19:18:42] <greycat> *plonk*
2225 [19:18:49] <greycat> WRONG
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2227 [19:18:49] <petn-randall> Bacteria: No we don't, that's not how it works.
2228 [19:18:50] <Bacteria> OKAY?
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2230 [19:19:17] <Bacteria> petn-randall!
2231 [19:19:21] <SerajewelKS> supervisor is mostly superceded by systemd at this point anyway
2232 [19:19:26] <greycat> By soliciting knowledge-experts, you are effectively asking for PERSONAL ANSWER BITCHES that you can HARASS. We will not put up with that.
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2234 [19:19:37] <petn-randall> Bacteria: You ask your question, and someone with the knowledge will answer. You don't take a survey. We've already told you that.
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2236 [19:20:21] <Bacteria> greycat: wtf r u on buddy
2237 [19:20:23] <Bacteria> lol
2238 [19:20:32] <Bacteria> BITCHES that you can HARASS?
2239 [19:21:49] <bites> InvisibleRasta: have you seen the instructions in the file INSTALL ?
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2245 [19:23:06] <friendofafriend> tmroland: Glad things are working now, that's great news.
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2249 [19:23:26] <tmroland> yes, i was really pissed that i cant get the desktop i like most (gnome) running smoothly in linux
2250 [19:23:35] <tmroland> seems to be possible but only with older versions
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2260 [19:27:11] <friendofafriend> tmroland: I guess you could quantify what "smoothly" is, and make a bug report? GNOME3 was always slow for me.
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2262 [19:27:21] <tmroland> slow animations
2263 [19:27:27] <tmroland> and delay in app startup
2264 [19:27:31] <tmroland> including Files
2265 [19:27:37] <tmroland> gnome 3.22 flies for me
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2267 [19:27:48] <SerajewelKS> slow animations usually indicates poor 3d acceleration performance, probably due to the wrong video card drivers
2268 [19:27:54] <tmroland> nope
2269 [19:27:56] <tmroland> not at all
2270 [19:28:01] <greycat> or missing firmware
2271 [19:28:01] <tmroland> its a perfromance regression in late gnome versions
2272 [19:28:08] <tmroland> on nvidia hardware
2273 [19:28:11] <SerajewelKS> i didn't say "always" i said "usually"
2274 [19:28:26] <friendofafriend> Have you tried installing the latest GNOME from stretch-backports?
2275 [19:28:28] <tmroland> usually getting the right driver version for your gpu should be something that even a 2 yo can do
2276 [19:28:39] <SerajewelKS> you'd be surprised, tmroland
2277 [19:28:39] <tmroland> latest debian provided non-free driver
2278 [19:28:48] <tmroland> im not that retarded to not be able to install that much
2279 [19:29:03] <tmroland> and same happens on all other gnome 3.28 - 3.30 distros
2280 [19:29:08] <tmroland> slow choppy gui performance
2281 [19:29:13] <SerajewelKS> chill out, nobody is insulting you
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2284 [19:29:26] <tmroland> no, im just saying, i got it all sorted now
2285 [19:29:37] <friendofafriend> Cool, that's great news!
2286 [19:29:41] <tmroland> and if u google this u can see people complaining of slow performance on gnome / nvidia
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2289 [19:30:05] <tmroland> but i just found out its only in late versions
2290 [19:30:13] <tmroland> probly they added something that messes things up
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2292 [19:30:17] <tmroland> code is huge , anything can be the problem
2293 [19:30:43] <friendofafriend> The 1080GTX is a pretty new graphics card, and you can expect the Linux driver to improve more slowly than the Windows driver.
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2295 [19:31:20] <tmroland> we're on 410/415
2296 [19:31:26] <tmroland> which is almost on par with windows driver
2297 [19:31:30] <tmroland> and 1080 is from 2016
2298 [19:31:32] <tmroland> we're 3 years later now
2299 [19:31:35] <friendofafriend> So making the most detailed and thorough bug report possible is really important.
2300 [19:31:37] <tmroland> linux adapts quick to new hardware
2301 [19:31:52] <friendofafriend> No, it's not Linux adapting, it's the NVIDIA driver.
2302 [19:31:53] <tmroland> well im sure others did it before me
2303 [19:31:58] <tmroland> and the problem is still here
2304 [19:32:12] <tmroland> hell, i saw some coder complaining that his nvidia patches dont get accepted in mutter git
2305 [19:32:17] <tmroland> gnome ppl just dont care
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2308 [19:32:34] <tmroland> nvidia driver is on par with windows on
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2310 [19:32:38] <tmroland> as far as version
2311 [19:32:41] <tmroland> should be flawless
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2313 [19:32:46] <tmroland> kde runs flawlessly
2314 [19:32:56] <tmroland> and they share common codebase as far as i know
2315 [19:32:58] <friendofafriend> Nah. If you look at the hardware people run to use Linux, it's pretty old.
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2317 [19:33:12] <tmroland> i dont deny that
2318 [19:33:16] <friendofafriend> So problems with newer hardware are slow to be sussed out.
2319 [19:33:20] <tmroland> probly
2320 [19:33:30] <tmroland> more so of a reason to use linux more on servers than desktops
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2322 [19:33:40] <tmroland> unless its a old workstation
2323 [19:33:53] <tmroland> but hey, problem solved
2324 [19:34:25] <friendofafriend> It's amazing how many places you can run Debian. I've got it on wireless routers, NAS devices, gizmos galore.
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2327 [19:36:00] <dr4ken> folks, is there a way of calling a command each time and only shows the output when there is a difference?
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2331 [19:36:53] <greycat> temporary files and cmp or diff or whatever you prefer to mark up the changes
2332 [19:36:55] <friendofafriend> dr4ken: Are you scripting?
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2334 [19:37:39] <dr4ken> friendofafriend, nah, im trying to to know if an USB drive gets ever recognized by the system again
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2336 [19:37:53] <dr4ken> so i would like to invoke "lsblk" untill i say it beign listed
2337 [19:38:05] <ksk> dr4ken: could you elaborate further? maybe udev would be helpful to you?
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2339 [19:38:19] <tmroland> im planning to buy a sun fire server to run solaris AND linux
2340 [19:38:24] <tmroland> a used one
2341 [19:38:27] <ksk> like, you can put in some usb-id in there, and do stuff it it gets attached to your PC - afaik.
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2346 [19:39:32] <ksk> s/it it/if it/
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2462 [20:37:52] <bindi> I ran 'pip install subliminal' but now I can't find the command called 'subliminal', what's up with that?
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2465 [20:38:58] <mutante> bindi: pip installs Python modules. did you mean to use 'apt-get install' 'apt install" instead to get a binary package?
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2467 [20:39:02] <bindi> no
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2469 [20:39:21] <bindi> replaced-url
2470 [20:39:51] <mutante> yea, so you have a new python module you can use in Python code now
2471 [20:39:59] <bindi> no
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2473 [20:40:07] <bindi> i've used it before and it installs itself in cli
2474 [20:40:08] <mutante> would not expect a command though
2475 [20:40:10] <bindi> as a command
2476 [20:40:14] <bindi> im 97% sure :p
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2478 [20:40:21] <bindi> see the CLI usage
2479 [20:40:46] <mutante> bindi: how about not using pip at all and installing python3-subliminal with APT
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2486 [20:41:44] <bindi> mutante: i'm pretty sure that's ages old version
2487 [20:42:07] <mutante> maybe last time you had both installed and some version mix?
2488 [20:42:14] <mutante> and the package gave you the command?
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2491 [20:42:44] <bindi> i also remember updating it with pip to fix some errors on a previous install
2492 [20:42:48] <bindi> but it was ubuntu
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2495 [20:43:43] <mutante> bindi: send a quick mail to the actual author? email is linked on pypi.org you provided
2496 [20:44:05] <mutante> eh, author and/or maintainer, both
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2504 [20:51:05] <bindi> mutante: mhm.. its in /home/bindi/.local/bin/subliminal
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2509 [20:53:51] <mutante> bindi: that sounds like not from a distro packge or pip.. i guess..
2510 [20:54:15] <mutante> tries to stick to distro packages to avoid the mixup
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2515 [20:55:50] <rkw_inspiron> that's where pip installs thing as user instead of root
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2544 [21:07:42] <brokencycle> Hi folks! I am having significant trouble with a laptop under Buster.
2545 [21:08:05] <brokencycle> The symptom: It hangs every few hours in a way that I have to power it off.
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2547 [21:08:37] <brokencycle> So far, I could not really identify the problem(s), but occasionally saw
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2550 [21:08:58] <brokencycle> things like CPU soft lock, sometimes hard lock, and also once a GPU problem logged.
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2552 [21:09:15] <brokencycle> Any pointers to good debugging strategies are most welcome!
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2554 [21:09:46] <brokencycle> Oh, and fwiw, the laptop is sort of new-ish, but allegedly Linux compatible.
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2578 [21:16:27] <neilthereildeil> hi
2579 [21:16:44] <neilthereildeil> i am trying to add a network bridge to Debian to automatically come up when i boot
2580 [21:17:00] <neilthereildeil> this bridge will be used for my VMs, but for now i am just ocusing on the bridge
2581 [21:17:07] <neilthereildeil> focusing*
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2583 [21:17:22] <neilthereildeil> how can i make it automatically come up when i boot?
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2589 [21:19:12] <neilthereildeil> i modified /etc/network/interfaces to add the new xenbr0 bridge
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2595 [21:20:46] <neilthereildeil> heres my interaces file: replaced-url
2596 [21:20:51] <neilthereildeil> what am i doing wrong?
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2601 [21:22:39] <friendofafriend> neilthereildeil: You add xenbr0 to the auto line with lo, so "auto lo xenbr0".
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2611 [21:24:59] <neilthereildeil> friendofafriend: do i need to remove the hotplug line?
2612 [21:25:29] <friendofafriend> Nope, hotplug won't change much if you need it or not.
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2614 [21:25:58] <neilthereildeil> hmm i just rebooted, but it still didnt work
2615 [21:26:20] <neilthereildeil> at boot, i see "Failed to start Raise Network Interfaces4"
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2632 [21:34:29] <friendofafriend> neilthereildeil: Does that interface exist?
2633 [21:36:51] <neilthereildeil> its a made up name for a bridge
2634 [21:37:02] <neilthereildeil> its not a ohysical device
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2691 [22:11:48] <rwp> neilthereildeil, Where is your physical device listed in there? It is missing. That will be a problem.
2692 [22:11:50] <Ooze> Hey there. I'm having some dependency issues when trying to install mariadb. Starting in this channel as from what I've read, others have experienced this issue on Stretch. I'm finding lots of different proposals online, but was curious if anyone here might have a suggestion to resolve this
2693 [22:11:58] <Ooze> replaced-url
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2699 [22:15:07] <rwp> neilthereildeil, Try this instead. Change eth0 to the name of your real interface. replaced-url
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2708 [22:17:21] <rwp> Ooze, I have the following mariadb installed on Stretch with no problem: replaced-url
2709 [22:17:44] <rwp> Ooze, Perhaps you haven't done an "apt-get update" and need to update the index (Packages) files?
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2713 [22:18:57] <OneSploit> Hi
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2716 [22:19:11] <Bjornn> o/
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2728 [22:23:39] <Delta706> is there a debian package which provides an image classification by neural net example?
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2731 [22:25:56] <friendofafriend> Delta706: I think you're looking for opencv.
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2738 [22:28:26] <Delta706> friendofafriend: got an error. unable to install package opencv
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2749 [22:32:59] <friendofafriend> Oh no! No opencv for you, then? Maybe post the error you're getting to a paste site, like replaced-url
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2751 [22:33:32] <Delta706> the error "Unable to locate package opencv"
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2757 [22:35:18] <friendofafriend> Right, you probably want something like "sudo apt-get install libopencv-dev python3-opencv".
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2780 [22:46:43] <cariveri> Hi. is there a way to onfigure apticron to weekly email? its really spamming.
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2787 [22:51:32] <rwp> cariveri, I don't know anything about apticron but how is it triggered to run? From a cron script? If so then I'm sure you can change the cron script from daily to weekly.
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2789 [22:53:12] <cariveri> rwp: crontap list empty :(
2790 [22:53:43] <rwp> cariveri, It looks like the package postinst sets up /etc/cron.d/apticron and that file contains a random minute of the hour ($min) so: $min * * * * root if test -x /usr/sbin/apticron; then /usr/sbin/apticron --cron; else true; fi
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2792 [22:54:58] <rwp> Looks like it runs every hour? That seems excessive. Looking at the default config file...
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2794 [22:56:34] <cariveri> aw man. the first line in the cron jobs should alwas be the explanation if the *s. good catch though rwp
2795 [22:57:16] <rwp> Even though it runs every hour the docs say it sends daily messages. Therefore internally it must limit emails to once a day.
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2798 [22:57:53] <rwp> I would think that changing that last '*' in the cron file to 0 for Sunday only would run it hourly all day once a week only on Sunday and probably do what you want.
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2800 [22:58:10] <rwp> Or pick any day of the week. (0-6 with 0=Sunday)
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2802 [22:58:41] <cariveri> rwp: Ok, I think I put it to 7 days now. do I have to reload something?
2803 [22:59:04] <rwp> Files updated in /etc/cron.d are automatically reloaded by cron.
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2807 [23:00:22] <rwp> when you say "put it to 7 days now"... but it is running every hour all seven days a week now. What did you really mean?
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2811 [23:01:07] <cariveri> rwp: I found it has shortcut variables : @weekly Ill try that one.
2812 [23:01:08] <rwp> And also, are you getting email daily or hourly? So I know if my assumptions that it only emails once a day are correct or no?
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2814 [23:01:39] <cariveri> daily was it.
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2816 [23:02:05] <rwp> Well... okay... But @weekly doesn't really do the same thing. That runs it exactly once a week. Currently it is running every hour every day.
2817 [23:02:19] <JPT> So ... hourly?
2818 [23:02:25] <rwp> Since I don't know why it was running hourly I wonder if it needs more runs than once a day.
2819 [23:02:47] <cariveri> like 24 times?
2820 [23:02:49] <rwp> Yes. "$min * * * * root" is on that randomly generated $min run. That is 24 hours a day.
2821 [23:03:17] <cariveri> but your right. it was set to 4 in front meaning once every hur to the 4th minute.
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2823 [23:04:16] <rwp> Correct. It is a randomly generated minute to try to avoid every user of that package from having them all happen at once. It would be like a DDOS attack if all Debian users hit the repos all at the same time.
2824 [23:05:00] <rwp> I'm quite surprised it runs every hour and not on a randomly generated 0-23 hour too.
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2826 [23:05:14] <rwp> That would be a good question for the upstream developers of it. To clarify what they are intending and why.
2827 [23:05:59] <cariveri> yea. weird.
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2829 [23:07:06] <rwp> The rest of that line with the if..then..else..fi is reminiscent of a Debian Testing Jessie cron bug.
2830 [23:07:12] <rwp> A few years back the cron maintainers thought it would be a good idea to complain if the task exited non-zero.
2831 [23:07:43] <greycat> Oh, this is going to be hilarious, I just know it.
2832 [23:07:51] <cariveri> perhaps polls hourly just to not miss that one shot. sender and receiver side might be disconnected.
2833 [23:07:53] <rwp> Needless to say that created a *HUGE* noise problem. Because many scripts do test -x /path/to/exe && /path/to/exe and that exits non-zero if the exe does not exist. When the desire is for it to be quiet.
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2835 [23:08:14] <OursBlanc> hi everyone, i'm looking for a way to modify the installation directory of a snap package.
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2837 [23:08:56] <rwp> They reverted that change. So now cron is operating in the traditional way it has for decades again. But by that if..then..else..true..fi bit it looks like they put in a workaround for it.
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2840 [23:10:23] <greycat> Too bad they haven't grown the sense to revert that "all shell scripts must use set -e" crap yet.
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2843 [23:12:06] <rwp> Agreed. set -e is Evil(TM) and insidiously misleading people down a dark path.
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2846 [23:12:39] <chomwitt> debian apache email list has (i see in it's archive) mail that i never get. but i seem to get more spam than i see in its archives. what should i do?
2847 [23:12:43] <greycat> Especially hilarious is the inclusion of set -e in the template /etc/rc.local file that was installed in jessie and before.
2848 [23:12:48] <cariveri> rwp: oh really? whats the problem?
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2850 [23:12:55] <cariveri> rwp: with set -e?
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2852 [23:13:07] <greycat> cariveri: replaced-url
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2856 [23:14:18] <rwp> chomwitt, Are you a Gmail user? Gmail has "interesting" bad behavior with regards to mailing list mail sent from the gmail sender.
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2858 [23:14:30] <chomwitt> no posteo.net
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2863 [23:15:00] <rwp> Hmm... I recognize posteo.net but I know nothing more about it. (But Gmail I could explain the confusing behavior.)
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2871 [23:15:53] <cariveri> greycat: hmm.. but its doesnt say it would be better then eeping up the dictrin, that people just return > 1 on error 0 otherwise. so then set -e would work as expected. which is a good thing actually.
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2884 [23:17:02] <rwp> cariveri, Huh?
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2889 [23:17:30] <greycat> cariveri: the moment you speak of "would" and "should" and "could", you are completely misunderstanding everything about set -e. It exists because it is codified by POSIX standards to behave in this way because this is how it has always behaved, right or wrong, good or evil. So that some mission-critical shell script from 1982 will continue to behave exactly the same.
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2892 [23:17:52] <greycat> It is NOT supposed to be used in any new scripts.
2893 [23:17:58] <greycat> It is complete legacy bullshit.
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2896 [23:18:56] <Emil> Hi
2897 [23:18:58] <rwp> But I hate to edit that shell script from 1982 that has been running continuously and update it. It would update the timestamp. That would make me sad. :-(
2898 [23:19:02] <Emil> Just curious
2899 [23:19:40] <rwp> Emil, Please if you have a question please ask your question.
2900 [23:20:13] <Emil> If I have a bad line in /etc/fsstab but such that it does not at all affect anything else (it's mounting squashfs to in userspace to userspace and it's not dependent on anything) is it normal that a machine enters emergency mode / does not complete normal boot?
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2903 [23:20:48] <cariveri> greycat: and I dont think you got my point.
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2905 [23:20:55] <Emil> This happened to me today on a Digitalocean Debian vm and I'm wondering if it's on DOs end or if this is really an insane thing with /etc/fsstab
2906 [23:21:01] <rwp> Yes. If the mount fails, and from what you say it sounds like it fails at boot, then the system thinks there was a boot time failure.
2907 [23:21:26] <greycat> well, I tried, but I don't understand things like "eeping up the dictrin" so I had to make some extrapolations
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2909 [23:21:51] <Emil> well that's, sorry to say, fucking retarded :D I bet even "patches welcome" don't fix this
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2912 [23:22:20] <Emil> welp, well another question then: if I have a bad option for fsstab, how can I exactly find out which option caused that?
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2914 [23:22:24] <rwp> Emil, It's a new systemd behavior.
2915 [23:22:31] <greycat> Emil: you can put "nofail" in the fstab options for the ones that are allowed to fail without stopping boot
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2917 [23:23:01] <Emil> I had this: ro,noatime,nodev,nodiratime,noexec,async,remount for the mount
2918 [23:23:15] <Emil> and apparently it was the remount option that caused the failure for squashfs
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2921 [23:23:23] <Ameisen> Is there a proper way to specify to aptitude that I want it to ignore version differences in dependencies (since a package is copmlaining that I have a newer verison of a dep)
2922 [23:23:25] <Ameisen> also hi Emil
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2926 [23:24:08] <cariveri> nevermind. glitches.
2927 [23:24:16] <Emil> Ameisen: hi
2928 [23:24:16] <cariveri> thanks anways !
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2930 [23:24:30] <Emil> in particular I had this: /path/to/squash.fs /path/to/mount/point squashfs ro,noatime,nodev,noexec 0 0 (except options as previously mentioned of course)
2931 [23:24:45] <cariveri> rwp: cheers
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2941 [23:26:35] <Emil> rwp: systemd is a mistake that should be aborted but that's a discussion for another day :D
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2943 [23:27:05] <bleb> in the installer can i manually set up wpa_supplicant with my own settings?
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2945 [23:27:49] <rwp> bleb, I don't see why not. But are you having a problem using the debian-installer to do it for you?
2946 [23:27:52] <bleb> my wifi network is peap which is not one of the options in the installer
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2949 [23:28:23] <rwp> Gotcha. I haven't tried it but Alt-F2 will get you a console. I think if you set up the network there then it will work.
2950 [23:29:24] <rwp> If that ends up in a mess then I suggest booting a live-boot system which has everything working, then using debootstrap to install the system. It's easier than it sounds.
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2954 [23:29:55] <rwp> replaced-url
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2957 [23:31:12] <rwp> The other easiest thing is to plug in a wire for the installation. Then set up wifi after the first boot using the full toolset available from the running system.
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2991 [23:49:51] <drebsec> For anyone on a modern version of Debian, I'm using a different distro that doesn't have a package I need. Could someone please give me the line from: /etc/apt/sources.list for the main Debian apt repository?
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