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31 [00:10:20] <sn00ker> hi all
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34 [00:10:35] <fundatillus> sn00ker: hey!
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36 [00:10:59] <sn00ker> how are you?
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39 [00:11:35] <fundatillus> Great, thanks. Listening to Linux Unplugged right now... great podcast.
40 [00:12:07] <sn00ker> :)
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82 [00:40:44] <skinhaptik> sup
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84 [00:41:49] <rwp> skinhaptik, replaced-url
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87 [00:43:51] <skinhaptik> Upgrade protocol is not what's up
88 [00:44:00] <skinhaptik> Negative on that one sir
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94 [00:46:26] <rwp> :-)
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100 [00:47:55] <skinhaptik> 8^)
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124 [01:05:39] <zerocool> hey dudes, for redirection is there any difference between say "echo 'hello' > /dev/null" and "echo 'hello' >/dev/null", notice no space between redirect and destination
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135 [01:14:32] <skinhaptik> zerocool: I don't know much about echo, but I don't think the second one would work?
136 [01:15:05] <FinalX> zerocool: no, no difference, could even make it echo 'hello'>/dev/null
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141 [01:22:04] <rwp> zerocool, There is no difference. Characters such as < > ; | ( ) and others are shell metacharacters and are parsed first. That is why those do not need spaces next to them.
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143 [01:22:48] <rwp> zerocool, other characters such as { and } are NOT metacharacters but simply keywords and must have whitespace around them for them to be recognized.
144 [01:23:09] <bindi> related to discussion: what's up with sometimes getting a " grep command not found" if I use ".. | grep"?
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147 [01:23:52] <rwp> bindi, That by itself I can only guess is a quoted space character in there.
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149 [01:24:05] <rwp> When you next hit that please save the command and the output verbatim and then we can debug it.
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151 [01:24:32] <rwp> But ... | grep is okay, and ... | "grep" is okay but ... | " grep" would give that error.
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218 [02:00:24] <picarda> Hi, anyone was able to install conky-manager?
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297 [02:32:56] <LiENUS> im trying to override a mac address on debian (9.6), i set up a service unit to run ip link whatever set address, command seems correct but it fails saying the link is in use
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299 [02:33:36] <LiENUS> since /etc/network/interfaces isnt in use anymore id need to use either a service that runs before the link is up or maybe some magic with dhcpcd.conf, but i cant figure out if dhcpcd.conf even supports that
300 [02:34:53] <whislock> LiENUS: /e/n/i is still used, not sure what you mean by that.
301 [02:35:09] <LiENUS> its empty, didnt dhcpcd replace e/n/i?
302 [02:35:25] <whislock> Not on any stretch system I've built.
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305 [02:36:49] <whislock> Wouldn't make much sense for dhcpcd to replace /e/n/i, given that the former isn't all that useful for static addressing setups.
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308 [02:40:11] <LiENUS> im pretty sure dhcpcd supports static address configuration
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311 [02:42:03] <jim> LiENUS, it does, you just have to put a setting for that mac addr in the dhcp server config
312 [02:42:25] <AK> can I get firmware for my wifi card in some usb and do netinstall? I dont have ethernet available
313 [02:42:36] <LiENUS> cant find mention of it for debian but this replaced-url
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315 [02:43:10] <jim> AK, maybe the firmware is in the unofficial image?
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317 [02:43:46] <LiENUS> my problem is im using an ethernet card without its own mac address so i get a new address every time and cant add a static entry to the server
318 [02:44:19] <AK> jim: unofficial netinstall imges also exist for debian?
319 [02:44:32] <jim> yeah, sec
320 [02:45:02] <whislock> LiENUS: I don't know why you'd ever use dhcpcd for static addressing, but I can assure you that /e/n/i is alive and well, and using it would make your task trivially easy.
321 [02:45:17] <jim> AK, replaced-url
322 [02:46:00] <jim> no idea if that includes firmware for your card specifically, but it's worth a shot
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324 [02:49:39] <edumass> Hello, as root I made a script in /etc/init.d/myscript, then I run update-rc.d myscript defaults, and nothing happen, in rcX.d doesn't appear myscript, is the launcher for noip update client..
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333 [02:53:24] <suprothunderbolt> If install pyside2 (QT) from testing on stable, will it break anything else, my only fear is that it's requesting an upgrade of libc6...
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339 [02:55:23] <jmcnaught> suprothunderbolt: testing and stable cannot be mixed
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344 [02:57:00] <suprothunderbolt> is there a backport for QT/pyside2 or is there any easy way for me to build one?
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347 [02:58:22] <whislock> ,checkbackport pyside2-tools
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349 [02:58:41] <judd> Backporting package pyside2-tools in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libqt5charts5-dev, libqt5texttospeech5-dev, qt3d-assimpsceneimport-plugin, qt3d-defaultgeometryloader-plugin, qt3d-scene2d-plugin, qt5-qmake-bin.
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355 [03:01:17] <suprothunderbolt> so does that suggest a backport package doesn't exist? If not I assume I follow replaced-url
356 [03:01:37] <suprothunderbolt> they appear to be divided into 100 different little packages :)
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361 [03:04:50] <jim> , v pyside2
362 [03:04:51] <judd> No package named 'pyside2' was found in amd64.
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364 [03:05:05] <jim> I got the name wrong?
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366 [03:05:37] <suprothunderbolt> pyside2-tools
367 [03:05:54] <jim> , checkbackport pyside2-tools\
368 [03:05:55] <judd> No package named 'pyside2-tools\' was found in sid/amd64.
369 [03:06:18] <jim> oh, sec
370 [03:06:20] <jim> , checkbackport pyside2-tools
371 [03:06:21] <suprothunderbolt> it's the python bindings for QT
372 [03:06:34] <judd> Backporting package pyside2-tools in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libqt5charts5-dev, libqt5texttospeech5-dev, qt3d-assimpsceneimport-plugin, qt3d-defaultgeometryloader-plugin, qt3d-scene2d-plugin, qt5-qmake-bin.
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376 [03:07:23] <jmcnaught> stretch has pyqt5 which are also python bindings for qt
377 [03:09:22] <suprothunderbolt> ahh, i'd prefer to use the ones from QT if possible but I'll have a look at these too!
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388 [03:12:34] <jmcnaught> suprothunderbolt: could also check if pyside2 can be installed with pip (don't use pip as root though)
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391 [03:13:36] <suprothunderbolt> no pip build for it on ARM
392 [03:14:54] <suprothunderbolt> I might just check if pyqt works :)
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427 [03:37:43] <suprothunderbolt> thanks for the help jmcnaught & jim. Pyqt5 looks easy enough to port to vs pyside2 and there's a compatibility layer library qtpy :)
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779 [06:39:42] <maxrazer> Does anyone know what could cause the GUI interface to be impossibly slow to use with the latest gnome and open source drivers and an nvidia graphics card? I presume it is graphics related, not sure.
780 [06:39:48] <maxrazer> I tried debian buster alpha 4.
781 [06:40:44] <maxrazer> Also, if I'm running debian stable and want to compile software and put it in the /usr/local/bin will I run into problems if those programs use newer libraries? I expect that must happen a lot.
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791 [06:45:25] <madage> maxrazer: probably gnome itself?!
792 [06:46:11] <maxrazer> madage, Right, I think it was something with gnome, but I somehow suspected it was an incompatibility with graphics hardware causing it. I'm not sure.
793 [06:46:12] <madage> and if you're afraid you could always use /opt/ or something that's not in your path
794 [06:47:01] <madage> I'm not either, that was a pun on gnome
795 [06:47:17] <maxrazer> madage, Do you run Debian stable for home desktop?
796 [06:47:57] <madage> I have one of those, it has xfce
797 [06:48:05] <maxrazer> I've found Sid works rather well except for the more complicated desktop environments in the past, which have had bugs. But, sticking to a basic one that is rarely updated and solid I've had no problems.
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799 [06:48:45] <maxrazer> XFCE has had some minor icon bugs I noticed with SID in the past. Purely cosmetic for the run icon not being found/wrong when gnome stuff isn't installed.
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801 [06:49:36] <maxrazer> Do you also run Debian unstable?
802 [06:49:49] <madage> also, you may enjoy guix
803 [06:49:54] <Sveta> guix is nice
804 [06:50:58] <madage> no, I don't
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807 [06:52:16] <madage> but I have a buster machine
808 [06:52:34] <maxrazer> So, Guix is a GNU herd distro?
809 [06:53:01] <madage> guix is a package manager and also a OS
810 [06:53:10] <maxrazer> Which one are you recommending?
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812 [06:53:24] <madage> It uses linux-libre
813 [06:53:37] <madage> I don't know if hurd is supported
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815 [06:54:06] <madage> AFAIK debian has the most usable hurd
816 [06:54:08] <maxrazer> madage, So, are you recommending I try the package manager?
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820 [06:54:46] <madage> that was an answer to you concerns with compiling software on /usr/local
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825 [06:55:22] <dondelelcaro> f/away
826 [06:55:32] <maxrazer> So, you are talking about the package manager and it may offer me better package solutions.
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830 [06:58:33] <maxrazer> I'm not sure how that package manager helps, but I'm looking it up.
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888 [07:41:38] <darxmurf> morning
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901 [07:59:49] <ov3rmind> hello great guys
902 [08:00:14] <ov3rmind> i had a trouble here with dnsmasq
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904 [08:01:56] <ov3rmind> when i try listen on 127.0.0.2 appear to me like as all are ok but nP? whar is happening? thanks allot connect when i try dig @127.0.0.2 connection error ; truncated tryin TC
905 [08:02:41] <ov3rmind> i had a trouble here with dnsmasq
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937 [08:33:08] <ov3rmind> solved
938 [08:33:18] <ov3rmind> very thanks guys
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1059 [09:42:17] <jadax> hi, I installed fresh mariadb-server and I cannot get it to start. It simply refuses, 'failed to start' is what systemctl shows
1060 [09:42:21] <jadax> how do I debug it?
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1062 [09:42:36] <jadax> I'm on debian 9.6 and package version is 10.1.37
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1064 [09:43:14] <ov3rmind> hello great guys! :)
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1069 [09:44:34] <thms> 1000$ question: is there an utility that let me say "extract all the logs from site X.com between 8 and 9 on 11/10" ?
1070 [09:44:41] <thms> (for apache log format)
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1072 [09:46:06] <jadax> do you have root access to /var/log ?
1073 [09:46:40] <Fox> thms: sure there is, it's called bash (or even better, awk :))
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1114 [10:22:08] <grady> whats up
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1119 [10:23:19] <kirk781> grady, Blue Sky
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1122 [10:24:16] <grady> snow storm :)
1123 [10:24:40] <kirk781> I would love some snow
1124 [10:26:08] <luizbag> me too, it's hot as hell in Brazil
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1127 [10:26:46] <kirk781> .wea Brasilia
1128 [10:26:53] <kirk781> Shite, no bot here
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1138 [10:30:51] <darxmurf> how would you configure the partitions on a 80Tb RAID 6 array? The disks bays on the server are not full and we will probably add some disks in there in a few years to extend it. Everything is managed by a LSI Raid card
1139 [10:31:21] <darxmurf> I can create a /dev/sdb1 partition and put that in LVM
1140 [10:31:28] <darxmurf> or LVM directly on /dev/sdb
1141 [10:31:32] <jelly> don't use partitions at all
1142 [10:31:41] <darxmurf> or simply create a fat partition on /dev/sdb
1143 [10:31:59] <Wulf> darxmurf: FAT partition? sounds good.
1144 [10:32:05] <bindi> i would flash that lsi into IT mode and use zfsonlinux :)
1145 [10:32:12] <darxmurf> FAT = big heavy partition
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1147 [10:32:14] <darxmurf> :D
1148 [10:32:17] <grady> well, welcome to finland then =)
1149 [10:32:29] <Wulf> darxmurf: I'd put LVM to /dev/sdb without partitions.
1150 [10:32:58] <darxmurf> then if I add disks later in the machine, extend the RAID and extend the LV ?
1151 [10:33:16] <darxmurf> s/LV/PV/
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1158 [10:35:45] <Wulf> yep
1159 [10:35:47] <vlt> darxmurf: I, personally, use partitions as LVM devices even if it's the only one on the disk. It just feels like better documentation :D
1160 [10:36:01] <Wulf> vlt: but means you need to resize the partition too
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1163 [10:37:13] <darxmurf> In my case, we will not fill the 80Tb tomorrow anyway. The day they will add disks in the machine, I would be probably working somewhere else :D
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1168 [10:39:08] <Wulf> darxmurf: excellent.
1169 [10:40:51] <vlt> Wulf: Good point.
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1177 [10:47:21] <andy1978> how can I check which package upgrade caused to change a symlink, /etc/systemd/system/autologin@.service in this case?
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1211 [11:05:31] <grandfso> Hi everyone, is there a way to have settings sync similar to what you get from iOS/Android? So when you swap your PC to a new one, with newly installed system, you can sync all or most of application configuration? Is there a workflow (or a lifestyle lol) which makes moving your data + apps + settings between machines/systems ?
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1214 [11:06:25] <tmroland> i get fatal error: failed to load steamui.so when intiializing steam on 9.6 first time, i followed instructions on steam debian wiki
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1218 [11:09:31] <jelly> grandfso: if it's just a one-time migration to new hw, I migrate _everything_, then fix any driver issues if they need fixing. If you're really after continouos parallel work on multiple machines, then no idea
1219 [11:10:01] <grandfso> jelly: I mean if I run on two machines, one home and another one is portable, can I have settings synced between them? e.g. when I add mail account on one machine, can the config be copied to the other machine ?
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1221 [11:10:51] <grandfso> So if this is one off thing, then the reconfiguration is not a problem, but I want to keep them in sync.
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1223 [11:11:36] <simbalion> Does anyone know of a way to configure a laptop for low-power standby but able to listen for and receive calls on a mobile network such as GSM/GPRS?
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1225 [11:12:36] <simbalion> Someone asked on reddit about replacing their mobile phone using Linux and I noticed there are more and more mobile devices offering linux such as the Librem 5 and a new mini-pc/phone that just debuted at CES
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1227 [11:13:42] <grandfso> So the idea is to keep them setting in sync between machines. This is possibly just matter of synchronization of config files between machines but does any one know about best practices? But maybe someone is aware of some tools that have already figured it out.
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1230 [11:15:48] <grandfso> I think such a functionality would boost any distro to another level, but I'm not sure if this is doable at all.
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1261 [11:28:17] <andy1978> tmroland: have you tired apt-get -f install?
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1271 [11:30:53] <Voyager_MP> Hi, I got a question: if a keyboard key is not working and xev is not reacting on that key, is there a way to get it working ?
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1277 [11:31:43] <luizbag> Voyager_MP, are you sure it's not a hardware failure?
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1280 [11:32:59] <Voyager_MP> yes
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1282 [11:33:15] <andy1978> Voyager_MP: Serial? PS/2? USB?
1283 [11:33:19] <Voyager_MP> usb
1284 [11:33:31] <Voyager_MP> it's an audio key
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1286 [11:33:46] <Voyager_MP> on a logitech keyboard
1287 [11:34:01] <andy1978> the other keys work?
1288 [11:34:07] <Voyager_MP> yes
1289 [11:34:13] <Wulf> Voyager_MP: run "showkey -s" as root
1290 [11:34:40] <andy1978> Voyager_MP: Hm, do you think this would have been important to mention in the initial question?
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1293 [11:36:30] <Voyager_MP> no
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1297 [11:38:35] <Wulf> Voyager_MP: does showkey show you anything if you press the key?
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1301 [11:39:44] <Voyager_MP> no
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1313 [11:45:34] <Voyager_MP> eine Idee ?
1314 [11:46:29] <diogenes_> Voyager_MP, are you sure the key is even alive, not broken?
1315 [11:46:31] <Wulf> Voyager_MP: if you ran "showkey -s" and it doesn't show anything, then it's either a hardware problem or it uses some nonstandard usb features.
1316 [11:47:17] <Voyager_MP> ok, thx
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1320 [11:50:49] <andy1978> Voyager_MP: you can use wireshark to cap
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1323 [11:51:04] <andy1978> to capture the usb commands :-)
1324 [11:51:25] <Voyager_MP> I will try, did not know wireshark could do that
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1338 [11:57:27] <andy1978> Voyager_MP: btw, here the kernel docs replaced-url
1339 [11:57:55] <Voyager_MP> cool, thx
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1362 [12:13:22] <andy1978> Voyager_MP: success?
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1489 [13:21:00] <wrksx> hey there, I just found out about fai-project.org to automate system deployment, have you ever worked with that? I'm looking for alternatives in order to compare features and eventually decide what to use. Any ideas/recommendations?
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1492 [13:22:30] <blackflow> wrksx: never heard of it. I'd recommend go with tried and tested Ansible, SaltStack, and if you must, Puppet or Chef.
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1494 [13:22:58] <wrksx> blackflow, thanks for the input, I'll look into it
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1504 [13:28:19] <wrksx> blackflow, please can you let me know why you said 'if you must'? Are the two last you mentions harder to setup/manage?
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1506 [13:29:14] <blackflow> yeah, especially Puppet is a beast, so I wouldn't recommend it except if you really needed something from it that things like SaltStack or Ansible cant achieve.
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1508 [13:30:03] <wrksx> blackflow, thx
1509 [13:30:24] <FinalX> I and we (work) use a combination of Ansible and Puppet
1510 [13:30:34] <FinalX> we even have Puppet run some playbooks for some things :P
1511 [13:31:08] <blackflow> nasty
1512 [13:31:13] * JustASlacker nods
1513 [13:31:23] <JustASlacker> maybe add some Salt as well
1514 [13:31:44] <JustASlacker> Ive worked with FAI
1515 [13:31:46] <JustASlacker> its bad
1516 [13:31:55] <blackflow> I cant imagine a use case where Puppet would need to trigger ansible. Actually I can, and I solve those with SaltStack event reactors. zing!
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1518 [13:32:12] <JustASlacker> :P
1519 [13:32:27] <wrksx> JustASlacker, oh thx good to know
1520 [13:32:41] <blackflow> SaltStack has been very good to me. Events especially where one node can trigger a change in another, without master initiating anything.
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1523 [13:33:24] <FinalX> We already had a Puppet infrastructure, but the Ansible playbooks can quickly manage containers on the fly as where it is a pain in the ass to let Puppet do that.
1524 [13:33:27] <blackflow> (I'm sure Puppet and Chef can do that too, but Ansible can't, it's a different paradigm)
1525 [13:33:32] <JustASlacker> but its the only debian thing you can use to get kickstart like centos has
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1527 [13:33:58] <FinalX> plus some things were already managed with Ansible before that company got integrated with ours, so :)
1528 [13:34:09] <wrksx> JustASlacker, what are you refering to? FAI ?
1529 [13:34:13] <JustASlacker> wrksx: yes
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1531 [13:34:33] <blackflow> FinalX: yeah Ansible is neat for quick burts of commands across many machines if there's ssh and python on them. We use it for initial deployment, but we'll switch that to Salt as well
1532 [13:34:34] <FinalX> Puppet is better at some things, Ansible is better at other things. We're not the "OS-war"-types.
1533 [13:34:41] <wrksx> It seems all those tools go way beyond FAI's capability
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1535 [13:34:52] <FinalX> Our netadmins actually use Salt, too.
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1539 [13:35:00] <FinalX> For yet other stuff again.
1540 [13:35:13] <JustASlacker> our network guys like ansible for cisco/juniper stuff as well
1541 [13:35:54] <JustASlacker> wrksx: well, you can use FAI to get system to the point where ansible/puppet and others can take over
1542 [13:36:17] <FinalX> For my personal stuff I prefer Ansible because it's so lightweight. I have 11 VPS's, all 512MB RAM and limited CPU.. having Puppet run on those and at intervals when it doesn't need to is just really memory and CPU intensive for no reason. With Ansible, it's quite minimal.
1543 [13:36:19] <JustASlacker> wrksx: what do you want to use FAI for?
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1551 [13:39:16] <wrksx> JustASlacker, start with a system install, then add packages + sofwtare and config. I was also looking for a solution to manage administration tasks like updates/upgrades and the likes
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1555 [13:40:09] <JustASlacker> yeah, that updates / upgrades thing is outside the scope of FAI anyway
1556 [13:40:37] <JustASlacker> you use FAI to create a installed system and takeover from there
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1558 [13:41:09] <wrksx> JustASlacker, so the other would'nt be able to install the system as well?
1559 [13:41:16] <wrksx> others like ansible and co
1560 [13:41:43] <JustASlacker> no, they all need stuff already working
1561 [13:42:04] <JustASlacker> you can take a look at PXE, foreman and cobbler for system deployment
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1594 [14:03:59] <blackflow> being that FAI is just another bootable OS, you can use any config management tool if you prepare a bootable ISO yourself for it. I mean, it boils down to almost equal amount of work, with the added benefit that you keep on using the config management tool of choice, for further installation and configuration.
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1597 [14:04:48] <blackflow> For example I have an Ansible playbook that provisions and debootstraps root on ZFS on LUKS, and for that all it needs is an USB stick or PXE booted OS in which there's python and either ZFS modules or ability to build them.
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1599 [14:07:37] <jelly> but you also need a dhcp tftp server to boot off pxe
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1604 [14:09:10] <jelly> at that point you might just boot d-i and install debian properly
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1610 [14:11:58] <JustASlacker> or use cobbler and foreman
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1612 [14:12:24] <JustASlacker> its fubar
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1614 [14:12:33] <JustASlacker> I have some hopes for cloud-init tho
1615 [14:12:44] <JustASlacker> it replaces a lot of the stuff you need FAI for
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1617 [14:12:56] <JustASlacker> and its avaible on all the linux distros
1618 [14:13:25] <JustASlacker> but it comes with its own load of craptastic problems as well
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1652 [14:30:35] <wrksx> I'm looking at foreman documentation right now
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1674 [14:40:21] <wrksx> But there's something I don't understand, in the doc it says "require Puppet 4 or higher". I suppose they are not refering to puppet Enterprise? Also their's some puppet package available everywhere what are they ?
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1681 [14:42:44] <wwilliam> GM how do i update Bash to 5.0 ?
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1684 [14:43:05] <themill> wwilliam: you don't.
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1687 [14:43:16] <wwilliam> Ok thanks
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1689 [14:43:21] <wwilliam> Installed: 4.4-5
1690 [14:43:23] <wwilliam> Candidate: 4.4-5
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1699 [14:45:17] <jelly> ,v bash
1700 [14:45:18] <judd> Package: bash on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u4; jessie: 4.3-11+deb8u1; stretch: 4.4-5; buster: 4.4.18-3.1; sid: 4.4.18-3.1; experimental: 5.0~beta2-1
1701 [14:45:48] <jelly> 5.0 is not packaged anywhere in debian yet
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1703 [14:46:55] <jelly> and uh, it was released two days ago
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1707 [14:47:54] * themill would be surprised to see it in buster
1708 [14:49:10] <babilen> fish 3 would be nice
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1712 [14:51:04] <jelly> ,v fish
1713 [14:51:06] <judd> Package: fish on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.23.1+20120106.git8b407a3-1; jessie-backports: 2.2.0-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.4.0-1; buster: 2.7.1-3+b1; sid: 2.7.1-3+b1
1714 [14:51:14] <jelly> no fish for you
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1717 [14:51:41] <jelly> wow, no fish in jessie at all, eh
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1724 [14:54:20] <jelly> I don't mind whatever version of zsh there is, I still use mostly features from zsh 3.x
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1729 [14:56:04] <blackflow> so, no chance that in the next few months before the Great Freeze, new bash would sneak in?
1730 [14:56:36] <jelly> the freeze starts in like 10 days
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1732 [14:57:09] <jelly> !buster freeze
1733 [14:57:10] <dpkg> Buster will start the freeze process on 2019-01-12 see replaced-url
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1742 [14:59:32] <armin> anyone a clue what i could use to decompress a file that shows up like this: TechnolHN1Demo.pkg: xar archive version 1, SHA-1 checksum in the output of the file command?
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1744 [15:00:29] <greycat> I just put "xar pkg" into google and got some promising-looking results.
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1747 [15:01:20] <jelly> dpkg, tell discovered about reportbug
1748 [15:02:25] <armin> greycat: blinded by the trees, ty.
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1762 [15:08:24] <tmroland> can debian 9.6 run on mainframes ?
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1764 [15:08:28] <tmroland> supercomputers
1765 [15:08:32] <tmroland> with default netboot cd
1766 [15:08:37] <tmroland> or needs special tricks
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1770 [15:09:51] <jelly> tmroland: which architecture?
1771 [15:10:02] <tmroland> say itanium 2 or hp pa-risc or ibm z
1772 [15:10:49] <jelly> best check the install guide for the particular architecture
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1774 [15:11:12] <jelly> linux runs in bascially a VM inside z/OS AFAIR
1775 [15:11:13] <tmroland> ok
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1777 [15:11:19] <tmroland> acn i force the kernel to stop usign cgroups
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1780 [15:11:59] <greycat> wut
1781 [15:13:02] * jelly offers greycat a permutator
1782 [15:13:14] <wrksx> can someone explain what's foreman is using puppet for?
1783 [15:13:38] <wrksx> sorry for the grammar issue =)
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1785 [15:14:19] <JustASlacker> foreman will deploy a system ready for puppet
1786 [15:14:19] <eberna> with debian testing on my xps 9360 only the function key for the airplane mode does not work anymore, i think because of one package update but i cannot locate it.
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1789 [15:15:20] <Posterdati> hi
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1792 [15:16:23] <wrksx> JustASlacker, ah okay so is this possible to use foreman to setup a non puppet ready system?
1793 [15:17:01] <Posterdati> please I'm trying to create m68k toolchain gdb on amd64 host, I have installed gdb-source, now I have the source tree for gdb in /usr/src. Is there a way to build a debian package from it? Thanks
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1831 [15:38:43] <JustASlacker> wrksx: certainly
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1834 [15:39:57] <wrksx> right ty
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1931 [16:45:32] <oh2eko> how would i go about to create a smb.conf on debian (as root) that swinedows has RW acess to without any passwords or usernames involved(or other security nonsense closed network)
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1945 [16:49:47] <tomreyn> oh2eko: your question is phrased so that it seems your intent is to share the smb.conf file. but i suspect you don't actually want to do so.
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1951 [16:51:16] <oh2eko> phrasing aint my good parts but i want a folder on the Debian machine to be shared with RW access
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1965 [16:57:38] <tmroland> horrible sluggish desktop performance after uninstalling nvidia driver from site and reinstalling the debian provided one
1966 [16:57:56] <tmroland> systemd isolate runlevel3 or multi-user.target also does not result in graphical processes being properly closed
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1969 [16:58:26] <tmroland> well, worse than windows 7 reliability
1970 [16:58:54] <oh2eko> you went with the noveu driver?
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1972 [16:59:36] <tmroland> im on nvidia now
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1974 [16:59:51] <tmroland> not nouveau
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1976 [17:00:39] <tmroland> had nothing but trouble with any linux distro on my computer
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1983 [17:02:35] <oh2eko> nvidia driver has worked well for me
1984 [17:02:56] * diogenes_ is happily using nouveau
1985 [17:03:02] <oh2eko> aside from my 4 screens that needed some xorg.conf messing
1986 [17:03:07] <tmroland> for me too until now
1987 [17:03:14] <tmroland> i had to uninstall 410 cause of bad performance
1988 [17:03:17] <tmroland> in gnome
1989 [17:03:26] <tmroland> went back to debian repo driver, perforamnce is down the drain
1990 [17:03:30] <tmroland> rebooted, same
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1992 [17:03:40] <oh2eko> oh well i decided to just have several computers instead lol
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1995 [17:03:53] <tmroland> so sad, its 2019 and linux is still 2003
1996 [17:03:57] <tmroland> on desktop
1997 [17:04:04] <tmroland> well, gotta buy a server if i wanna run it properly
1998 [17:04:13] <oh2eko> some parts of it seems to be in 2033
1999 [17:04:34] <tmroland> agreed
2000 [17:04:36] <tmroland> everything at the core
2001 [17:04:43] <tmroland> everthing but the userland + desktop environments + apps ecosystem
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2003 [17:04:47] <tmroland> everything else is perfect
2004 [17:04:56] <tmroland> so just the brain is good
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2008 [17:06:11] <oh2eko> and Linux gives error messages that make sense not like swinedows when you spend weeks trying to figure out 83569071 or something
2009 [17:06:22] <tmroland> it does most of the time
2010 [17:06:27] <greycat> Troll /ignored. If he continues, let us know, and we can ban him.
2011 [17:06:29] <tmroland> nothing beats linux error logging andn reporting
2012 [17:06:39] <tmroland> im not trolling at all
2013 [17:06:43] <tmroland> im sharing my experience
2014 [17:07:24] <oh2eko> Well many Linux users are a bit touchy about it heh
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2016 [17:07:36] <tmroland> yewa
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2018 [17:07:46] <oh2eko> like i would be about Mitshubishi critisism
2019 [17:07:50] <tmroland> the fanboys cant stand anyone having any issues with their godly os and reporting back
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2023 [17:07:57] <tmroland> in a tone different than "help me please"
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2025 [17:08:07] <n4dir> might be it ain't the OS but you? no way.
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2028 [17:08:30] <tmroland> if following instructions points to me being the problem than the instructions and whoever wrote them are useless as dirty toilet paper
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2030 [17:08:48] <tmroland> or maybe linux hates me
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2033 [17:10:25] <oh2eko> Well i know swinedows hates me but on Debian i can usually solve my problems but ugh so many W7 and W10 reinstalls i have done due to some wierd error that probably needs a 25year experienced windows engineer to solve
2034 [17:10:51] <oh2eko> seems guest is not valid for samba anymore hmm
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2040 [17:13:54] <Peyam> hi
2041 [17:14:02] <Peyam> can you please help me install Anjuta from source?
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2068 [17:27:48] <jelly> ,checkbackport anjuta
2069 [17:27:58] <tmroland> how do i get rid of nvidia driver blobs from my system? i tried apt remove, purge, autoremove etc
2070 [17:28:02] <judd> Backporting package anjuta in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libvala-0.42-dev, valac (>= 0.42).
2071 [17:28:04] <tmroland> the system boots with nvidia driver all the time
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2073 [17:28:39] <jelly> tmroland: install nvidia-installer-cleanup, perhaps?
2074 [17:29:11] <tmroland> i did, its installed already
2075 [17:29:13] <tmroland> but command not found
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2079 [17:30:26] <tmroland> even tried blocking nvidia.modeset=0 in /etc/defaults/grub
2080 [17:30:30] <tmroland> still loads
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2090 [17:32:38] <tmroland> apt removes all nvidia packages , rebuilds initrd and after reboot the driver is still there which i fail to understand how is technically possible
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2097 [17:35:20] <thms> Folder "x" used to be an nfs mount point. It's now unmounted. I can touch x/test. But rm -rf x gives "input/output error". lsof x gives nothing. am lost.
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2324 [19:30:53] <wwilliam> what is this mean?
2325 [19:30:54] <wwilliam> mv $pdfFile $flist $outFile DONE/
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2327 [19:34:07] <jhutchins_wk> wwilliam: Nothing out of context.
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2329 [19:34:57] <wwilliam> im interesting in the mv forget the vars
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2331 [19:36:01] <rwp> wildlander, The first three arguments are files and those are moved into a directory called DONE. The last argument must be a directory.
2332 [19:36:16] <rwp> The trailing slash on the directory forces that it must be a directory.
2333 [19:36:40] <rwp> However mv itself will force the last argument to be a directory if there are multiple source objects to move into it.
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2335 [19:36:51] <rwp> Does that answer your question?
2336 [19:36:56] <wwilliam> yes!!
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2338 [19:37:01] <wwilliam> RThank you som much!!
2339 [19:37:30] <rwp> That mv will not create a directory called DONE but will require that it was previously created.
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2341 [19:37:32] <wwilliam> Thank you so much!!
2342 [19:37:56] <wwilliam> oh ok rwp Thank you for your time and knowledge
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2349 [19:41:38] <jhutchins_wk> wwilliam: It's pretty standard irc convention that when specifying a variable, it is placed in <> brackets as in <foo>. Using $foo implies the literal use of a system/shell variable.
2350 [19:42:15] <wwilliam> Thank you for that jhutchins_wk
2351 [19:42:34] <jhutchins_wk> wwilliam: Not a rule, but generally understood.
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2361 [19:47:25] <wwilliam> ok jhutchins_wk Thanks for the clarification.
2362 [19:47:28] <discovered> replaced-url
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2365 [19:49:06] <rwp> discovered, Yes. replaced-url
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2367 [19:50:25] <discovered> rwp, thanks
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2582 [22:01:50] <koleygr> Hi, I removed keyring even if it said not to remove it and now my debian has no access to apt and I can not add network manager too... Is there any solution from my second (dual boot) linux to save the current installation of debian 9 (that with removed gnome-keyring... or I have to reinstall from scratch (already kept a back-up))?
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2584 [22:02:43] <CrystalMath> debian-keyring?
2585 [22:02:51] <PaddyF> re-install takes 20 minutes when you kept a seperate /home
2586 [22:02:56] <jelly> koleygr, what precisely did you do?
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2588 [22:03:56] <CrystalMath> koleygr: replaced-url
2589 [22:04:02] <CrystalMath> then dpkg -i should work
2590 [22:04:36] <CrystalMath> verify that the sha256 is 2d43b866907dec296edf27c0e756daf5eba196370d6fbe37fc3852cdc4a12da2
2591 [22:04:49] <koleygr> jelly: let me check the history of that installation for a minute... I think "apt purge gnome-keyring"... CrystalMath... thanks
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2593 [22:05:00] <CrystalMath> gnome-keyring shouldn't be important
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2595 [22:05:13] <CrystalMath> i don't have it at all
2596 [22:05:19] <CrystalMath> apt still works of course
2597 [22:05:39] <koleygr> just checking
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2613 [22:14:11] <koleygr> CrystalMath... probably I used "su" and I can't find the command in the file /home/<username>/.bash_history ... I removed keyring-* or something similar... Do you know a command with chroot to try it from here (my second linux) or better try it from that installation?
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2617 [22:15:00] <koleygr> (Already downloaded debian-keyring)
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2621 [22:15:49] <koleygr> PaddyF... thanks... but just trying to learn some things too
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2623 [22:17:01] <PaddyF> we all are
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2625 [22:18:00] <CrystalMath> koleygr: then dpkg -i the deb you downloaded
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2628 [22:19:12] <mutante> I am trying to install "mod_journald" with httpd ("Apache") so i could get the error logs into journalctl (replaced-url
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2630 [22:19:50] <mutante> or another way to achieve that.. error logs in journalctl?
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2634 [22:20:48] <tmroland> how do i remove kde pim suite ?
2635 [22:20:52] <tmroland> without affecting kde desktop
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2640 [22:23:44] <jmcnaught> mutante: unfortunately that module is for the development version of apache (2.5) and you will not be able to use it with the stable version 2.4 in stretch
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2643 [22:25:17] <mutante> jmcnaught: thanks! i found this thread from 2014(!sic) asking why they have not been backported "yet".. sigh replaced-url
2644 [22:25:45] <mutante> they say for performance reasons dont put access.log there.. well, i want error log though :P
2645 [22:25:55] <koleygr> jelly ("su" and then "apt parge keyring-*" ... but have to boot there to be sure... I remember that it said that I sould not do it and asked to type "Yes, do as I say!" or something like that... I had problems with non unlocked keyring and thought that removing and reinstalling would be a solution)
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2648 [22:26:49] <koleygr> CrystalMath... did that through chroot... I will do it for network-manager too and come back
2649 [22:26:52] <koleygr> thanks
2650 [22:26:57] <koleygr> Tahnks to all
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2661 [22:30:53] <mutante> !pkg apache2
2662 [22:31:04] <mutante> eh, sorry, what was the command again to get all the package versions
2663 [22:31:16] <Cefiar> mutante: I wouldn't just yet anyway. systemd-journald has known exploits if you push lots of data at it (see replaced-url
2664 [22:31:23] <Cefiar> !dpkg apache2
2665 [22:31:23] <dpkg> apache2 is actually version 2.2 in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"; this is a virtual package provided by a worker, ask me <apache2 mpm>. Ask me about <install apache>, <apache config>, <apache manual> and <apache backport>; see also <cnrd>, <userdir>, <apache2 ecc>. Additional help in #httpd on irc.freenode.net
2666 [22:31:56] <greycat> ,v apache2
2667 [22:31:57] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u13; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u4; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u6; buster: 2.4.37-1; sid: 2.4.37-1
2668 [22:31:58] <mutante> wheezy and squeeze? tell me about stretch and buster
2669 [22:32:08] <mutante> thanks!
2670 [22:32:18] <mutante> so buster also won't mean i get 2.5, gotcha
2671 [22:32:44] <mutante> Cefiar: thank you for that
2672 [22:32:52] <greycat> When I see pacakges going 2.0 2.2 2.4 I just assume they adopted that thing where the second digit being even means stable, and odd means development.
2673 [22:32:53] <Cefiar> yeah the dpkg piece needs updating.
2674 [22:33:07] <greycat> I don't know for sure if that's how apache does it, but it's the first thing I see.
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2676 [22:33:53] <greycat> So, with that potentially very wrong thing in mind, I would be quite surprised if 2.5 would ever become a Debian package version. *shrug*
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2682 [22:37:45] <Cefiar> mutante: yeah greycat is on the ball here. 2.5 is dev.
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2689 [22:38:20] <neilthereildeil> hi
2690 [22:38:32] <neilthereildeil> can someonee please help me use setuid correctly on a bash script?
2691 [22:38:50] <neilthereildeil> i have a script that starts Xen VMs
2692 [22:38:53] <greycat> You can't. Scripts (shebang interpreters) cannot be setuid or setgid in linux.
2693 [22:38:56] <neilthereildeil> it only works as root though
2694 [22:39:00] <neilthereildeil> i want to run it as non-root
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2696 [22:39:06] <mutante> greycat: oh right. the "even = good, odd = bad" thing! makes sense, yea
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2700 [22:39:18] <neilthereildeil> ohh man
2701 [22:39:22] <neilthereildeil> why not???
2702 [22:39:32] <greycat> There is a security hole if you do it, so they don't do it.
2703 [22:39:58] <neilthereildeil> how is it differnt than allowing setuid on an elf executable?
2704 [22:40:17] <greycat> I do not know the details of the security hole off the top of my head. Google can probably find it.
2705 [22:40:24] <neilthereildeil> as long as non-root cant modify the file...
2706 [22:40:44] <storrgie> does anyone have experience using thunderbolt docks? I've got a thinkpad T480 and a thinkpad thunderbolt dock but I can't seem to get displays and usb devices to work (it somehow is giving me power and ethernet) replaced-url
2707 [22:40:47] <neilthereildeil> hmm what other workarounds could i use?
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2709 [22:40:54] <neilthereildeil> i need to start Xen VMs as nonroot
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2713 [22:42:13] <neilthereildeil> greycat: what about python scripts? if i setuid on a script, root would have to own the python EXECUTABLe right?
2714 [22:42:14] <critter> Hi, I want to use tty1 to display output of a pair of applications. Those applications need to restart hourly and keep sendind output to tty. How can I do that?
2715 [22:42:16] <neilthereildeil> so it still wont work?
2716 [22:42:25] <greycat> If it uses a shebang, it's not going to work.
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2718 [22:42:44] <neilthereildeil> technically, i removed #!/bin/bash :)
2719 [22:42:47] <neilthereildeil> but no luck
2720 [22:42:51] <greycat> *sigh*
2721 [22:42:57] <neilthereildeil> lol
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2725 [22:43:12] <neilthereildeil> theres no way i can do this with python is there?
2726 [22:43:21] <greycat> ask #python
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2731 [22:44:10] <nyov> sudo
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2733 [22:44:35] <neilthereildeil> nyov: sudo wont work here because i wont be in front of the terminal to type commands
2734 [22:44:37] <neilthereildeil> this has to be automated
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2736 [22:45:20] <Cefiar> mutante: just a further note on apache 2.5 - There was a lot of dissent on how to turn 2.5 (dev) into 2.6 (release) on the acpache dev lists in September or so last year. I don't know what the outcome of that was (LOTS of messages), and I can't see any roadmap timeframes on their website so no idea when 2.6 might even roughly make it out the door.
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2738 [22:46:07] <nyov> neilthereildeil: so? replaced-url
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2747 [22:48:35] <mutante> Cefiar: interesting! ok, good to know
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2752 [22:52:31] <neilthereildeil> nyov: ok, i added this line to /etc/sudoers "ALL ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /tmp/test"
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2754 [22:53:06] <neilthereildeil> nyov: and /tmp/test just contains "whoami"
2755 [22:53:14] <neilthereildeil> am i supposed to do anything else?
2756 [22:53:26] <neilthereildeil> i run /tmp/test as nonroot and it doesnt print root
2757 [22:53:43] <neilthereildeil> i guess it would still be a bash script in this case though...
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2759 [22:54:41] <greycat> If you want to find out who you are, run "id". I don't know where people come up with crap like "whoami".
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2761 [22:55:19] <neilthereildeil> greycat: ok, i changed the script but it still doesnt work
2762 [22:55:24] <neilthereildeil> its not printing root
2763 [22:55:45] <greycat> You ran "sudo /tmp/test" and your /tmp allows executables and your output still said UID=1000 or whatever?
2764 [22:55:59] <neilthereildeil> ohh that worked
2765 [22:56:11] <neilthereildeil> i didnt include "sudo" front
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2767 [22:56:26] <neilthereildeil> nice thanks
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2865 [23:38:18] <koleygr> Thanks my friends... I am on my debian now... For the history: (a) The problem was that I had removed (purged) keyring-* from my systam and had no more access to network but had a second linux installation working on the same machine. (b)The solution was to download the packages: 1) debian-keyring 2)libbluetooth3 3)libjansson4 4)libmm-glib0 5)libndp0 6)libnl-3-200 7)libnm0 8)libteamdctl0 9)libnl-genl-3-200 10)libpcsclite1
2866 [23:38:18] <koleygr> 11)wpasupplicant and 12)network-manager and then mount the problematic's debian 9 partition and chroot in its mounted location (for example: chroot /mnt/disk) then install them through dpkg -i <package> with the above order... Thanks to all of you for the help.
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