• 0[00:00:08] <hypn0> no spaces?
• 1[00:00:10] <peaceguy> yes
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• 4[00:00:13] <peaceguy> there are no spaces
• 5[00:00:16] <peaceguy> in that filename
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• 7[00:00:29] <peaceguy> i checked on the server machine too
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• 15[00:03:44] <xdruppi> is there any advantage on using apt-transport-https?
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• 18[00:05:07] <bites> debian doesn't rely on it for security. some third party repositories are https only.
• 19[00:05:30] <xdruppi> bites: what do you mean?
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• 22[00:07:01] <grady> if you use https, then the transfer is crypted, i dont know is apt commands and package names so important to crypt but , if you want you can do that.
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• 24[00:07:07] <peaceguy> sorry i disconnected
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• 26[00:07:27] <grady> odd is that debians security patches dosnt support https :) but their sources does
• 27[00:07:44] <peaceguy> so the command was spc -r user_name@address:/home/user_name/directory .
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• 31[00:09:05] <hypn0> I think the exact command would be better, copy, paste it
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• 34[00:09:35] <peaceguy> what exact command?
• 35[00:09:40] <peaceguy> the one i provided?
• 36[00:09:47] <hypn0> that you used
• 37[00:10:24] <peaceguy> ok thanks
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• 40[00:11:34] <hypn0> replaced-url
• 41[00:12:02] <hypn0> it is scp?
• 42[00:12:36] <peaceguy> yes it is
• 43[00:12:51] <hypn0> you wrote spc?
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• 45[00:13:13] <peaceguy> scp sorry
• 46[00:13:17] <peaceguy> mistake
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• 60[00:17:16] <Barones> is it a good idea to try hypervisor to run 2 distro in a desktop envio?
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• 71[00:20:37] <__m4ch1n3__> Barones, isnt that what qubesOS does? replaced-url
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• 73[00:21:24] <__m4ch1n3__> thought its a hypervisor running multiple baremetal vms on one machine but it has insane high resources usage
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• 77[00:21:45] <Barones> __m4ch1n3__: yeah, actually I'm looking a more practical way to run two distros that share the same kernel, like ubuntu and kali
• 78[00:22:09] <altker128> Barones: LXC :)
• 79[00:22:09] <nr9032nsc6> Is there a USB bootable version of Debian Server such that if the computer boots on this USB flash drive, it autostarts Linux live, and I can directly SSH it from another computer? (with a default root password)
• 80[00:22:35] <altker128> Barones: You can have Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Alpine with the same kernel and pretty low (minimal? zero?) penalty
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• 82[00:22:55] <altker128> proxmox if you want a GUI and ability to still use KVM and run other machines
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• 86[00:23:11] <__m4ch1n3__> qubes launches all vm windows in one desktop but the vindows are gruped by vm domain and every domain can have its custom window decoration color
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• 89[00:23:48] <__m4ch1n3__> its like one desktop with windows from multiple vms
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• 91[00:24:28] <Barones> cool altker128 , I think its LXC I'm looking for, I have already worked with proxmox and I think it is more to a server operation than a home environment
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• 93[00:25:01] <altker128> Barones: I've been using LXC for several years now and I can't imagine life w/o it.
• 94[00:25:05] <Barones> __m4ch1n3__: qubes has a nice idea in security, but it is insanely resource heavy
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• 96[00:25:23] <jhutchins> nr9032nsc6: I don't believe the live images boot with sshd running, and the deafault configurations don't allow any remote root access.
• 97[00:25:26] <Barones> in home desktop altker128 ?
• 98[00:25:37] <jhutchins> nr9032nsc6: You can always build your own though.
• 99[00:25:38] <altker128> Barones: It's pretty easy to get going on Debian. You need to likely setup a bridged-interface (it can bridge to virtual or physical or both) and setup the lxc-net configuration.
• 100[00:25:42] <jhutchins> !live
• 101[00:25:42] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
• 102[00:26:04] <__m4ch1n3__> *ups wrong id replaced-url
• 103[00:26:27] <altker128> Barones: Yes, I'm using it on a local desktop and several servers. The software I'm running under LXC are mostly services like wiki or something, but you can run graphical apps that use X like Firefox under LXC containers too
• 104[00:27:10] <nr9032nsc6> jhutchins: thanks!
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• 106[00:27:26] <altker128> Barones: I suggest using the dummy-ethernet device along with a bridge & dnsmasq. All the LXC containers then get IP addresses via dnsmasq and are bridged together using the veth mechanism
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• 108[00:27:41] <altker128> You can decide if you want to forward from that bridge to the "real world" or not
• 109[00:27:46] <jhutchins> nr9032nsc6: There's also replaced-url
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• 112[00:28:02] <altker128> Anyway, that's how I've been using it and I'm pretty happy
• 113[00:28:14] <jhutchins> nr9032nsc6: You probably do NOT want to just install to a USB drive and try to run off of it. Unusably slow.
• 114[00:28:56] <altker128> nr9032nsc6: If it doesn't have to be Debian, Sysreccd works pretty well
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• 117[00:30:08] <peaceguy> scp -r directory_name address:directory just hangs
• 118[00:30:27] <nr9032nsc6> jhutchins: i just want to install debian (or ubuntu) to a headless computer (no monitor/no keyboard) as a server
• 119[00:30:32] <peaceguy> with scp -r directory user_name@address:directory also
• 120[00:30:45] <nr9032nsc6> that i'll later connect from my laptop with ssh
• 121[00:30:59] <altker128> nr9032nsc6: Does that machine possess a keyboard or monitor you can temporarily use?
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• 123[00:31:23] <nr9032nsc6> no i have only laptops (and no monitor/no tv at home...)
• 124[00:31:50] <ryouma> there are so many container or virtualizing type things that i truly don't know which to use for which purposes
• 125[00:31:56] <nr9032nsc6> i wanted to avoid to buy a monitor just to use it 30 minutes to install Linux server...
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• 127[00:32:17] <Barones> I see altker128 , thanks for the tips, I'm going to read more about it in its documentation, I'm honestly a rusty with virtualization, hypervisor and containers, its pretty vague how I would setup what I'm thinking of
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• 216[01:27:49] <xparanoik> changed my eth0 interface from inet dhcp to inet manual and then added a bridge "br0" with inet static config, briding ports "eth0". did a service network restart, the bridge comes up but eth0 still has its last dhcp address... any ideas how to fix ?
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• 223[01:29:39] <xparanoik> tried eth0 and br0 with inet static and that old IP address is still stuck
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• 231[01:32:01] <whislock> xparanoik: Reboot, for an easy fix.
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• 234[01:32:59] <xparanoik> well, i use windows on my desktop already, that's where I do all of the rebooting
• 235[01:33:26] <xparanoik> i only reboot my debian box to boot into new kernel
• 236[01:34:20] <xparanoik> i don't think it's a bug, probably PEBKAC, so I was wondering what I could be doing wrong
• 237[01:34:46] <whislock> Or... You could reboot.
• 238[01:36:16] <whislock> And I assume you also reboot your system to handle security updates that necessitate such.
• 239[01:36:27] <xparanoik> yes, security/kernel patches.
• 240[01:36:39] <whislock> Anyway. Reboot.
• 241[01:36:49] <xparanoik> but anyways, I am trying to learn something new. Why in hell does my interface show up with and address, but when I do ifdown eth0 it says interface not configured?
• 242[01:37:02] <xparanoik> well, ok
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• 244[01:37:43] <whislock> You reconfigured it when it had a dhcp lease active. Now it doesnt know to release it.
• 245[01:38:05] <whislock> Rebooting is the easiesst way to clean that up.
• 246[01:38:27] <xparanoik> my assumption is that bring it down and back up would make it release its dhcp settings, but a reboot it is then
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• 248[01:38:39] <xparanoik> /s/bring/bringing
• 249[01:38:53] <whislock> Only if the system knows its a dhcp interface.
• 250[01:39:19] <xparanoik> makes sense.
• 251[01:39:20] <whislock> Once you've reconfigured it, it doesnt know that anymore.
• 252[01:39:55] <whislock> So it gets stuck. I've done it several tinew, myself.
• 253[01:40:05] <xparanoik> so lets say I have a valid DHCP address and all that, then I go from inet dhcp to inet static, and restart the networking service... Shouldn't it force the new config ?
• 254[01:40:06] <whislock> Sorry, new keyboard.
• 255[01:40:10] <xparanoik> yep understood
• 256[01:40:24] <whislock> No, dhcp is a separate procezs.
• 257[01:40:52] <xparanoik> huh..
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• 262[01:42:24] <xparanoik> maybe i am behind the times, but i don't like rebooting for something "buggy" like this
• 263[01:43:05] <whislock> Okay.
• 264[01:43:11] * whislock shrugs.
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• 266[01:44:29] <xparanoik> to me that's something I'd find on a microsoft forum lol
• 267[01:44:45] <xparanoik> RTNETLINK answers: File exists.. i am going to look into what that means
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• 269[01:45:24] <whislock> Not sure why you keep mentioning Microsoft or Windows. Not really relevant.
• 270[01:45:27] <xparanoik> ip addr flush dev eth0 should clear it
• 271[01:45:35] <whislock> Might.
• 272[01:45:43] <whislock> Anyway, good luck.
• 273[01:45:53] <xparanoik> thanks.
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• 555[06:34:21] <l9> my latest kernel boots into initfsram and freeze can't type or anything
• 556[06:34:46] <l9> what is happening?
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• 562[06:44:11] <l9> initfsram what is it and what could be wrong when you end up there instead of a shell ?
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• 570[06:52:22] <SerajewelKS> l9: the initramfs is the initial / for the kernel, and contains all of the config required to mount the real / and pivot to it
• 571[06:52:36] <SerajewelKS> if you get dumped into the initramfs shell then it means something is wrong with your boot config
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• 573[06:53:53] <l9> SerajewelKS: well there has been no changes to the boot as i know at least... the problem is that i can't do anything inside the initfsram
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• 575[06:54:15] <SerajewelKS> what happens if you boot an older kernel from grub?
• 576[06:54:25] <l9> that boots fine
• 577[06:54:43] <SerajewelKS> what is the old and new kernel version?
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• 579[06:56:18] <l9> Linux podde.tonder.org 4.18.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.18.20-2 (2018-11-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 580[06:57:08] <SerajewelKS> 4.18? are you on testing or unstable?
• 581[06:57:16] <l9> testing
• 582[06:57:24] <SerajewelKS> ,v linux-image-amd64
• 583[06:57:25] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u2; jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-backports: 4.18+100~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+101; sid: 4.19+101
• 584[06:57:50] <SerajewelKS> or using a backported kernel?
• 585[06:59:15] <l9> i was on 4.19 but had to boot 4.18
• 586[06:59:30] <l9> could this be linked to a full drive /var ?
• 587[06:59:37] <SerajewelKS> unlikely
• 588[06:59:44] <SerajewelKS> it's more likely some bug in 4.19 or some config incompatibility
• 589[06:59:54] <SerajewelKS> you can always try rebuilding your initramfs and/or updating grub
• 590[07:00:14] <SerajewelKS> from the 4.18 kernel, you can "update-initramfs -k all -u && update-grub"
• 591[07:00:54] <l9> /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 253: /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: cannot create /boot/grub/grub.cfg.new: Directory nonexistent
• 592[07:01:16] <SerajewelKS> well that's not good, do you have a separate /boot and if so, is it mounted?
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• 594[07:02:12] <SerajewelKS> i don't know how you'd even boot 4.18 without a /boot/grub
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• 596[07:02:33] <l9> yeah i umounted that last night did a fsck on it
• 597[07:02:42] <SerajewelKS> ok so mount it and run the command again
• 598[07:02:56] <l9> done :) rebooting now
• 599[07:03:21] <SerajewelKS> ok
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• 602[07:03:30] <SerajewelKS> i will brb, my newbord is waking up hungry
• 603[07:03:33] <SerajewelKS> newborn*
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• 621[07:21:15] <l9> nope that was not the answer and now i have no bootable kernels :o
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• 623[07:21:38] <l9> thank god i have working laptop
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• 638[07:30:03] <ellyacht> change the ownership of all files in a particular directory? chown -R /directory/file#1 - file#125.....? something
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• 642[07:35:23] <n4dir> ellyacht: you want to change everything, files *and* folders inside /directory? Then just -R, as far i can tell.
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• 644[07:36:41] <n4dir> for a more fine-grained solution probably "find -exec",as someone in ##linux said.
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• 646[07:38:34] <ellyacht> n4dir: lol I didn't ask in ##linux
• 647[07:39:08] <n4dir> then someone with your nickname asked a very similar question there. Anyway, what i said.
• 648[07:39:16] <ellyacht> Scratch that. I sure did
• 649[07:40:11] <n4dir> if it is really everything, just use "chown -R username: directory" (again: as far i can tell).
• 650[07:40:13] <ellyacht> What argument do I need with -exec
• 651[07:41:00] <n4dir> find is a beast, as far it's me. I'd assume: find dir -type f -exec chown username: {} \;
• 652[07:41:04] <n4dir> wait a sec:
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• 654[07:41:11] <n4dir> replaced-url
• 655[07:41:24] <n4dir> scroll back and forth a bit, i think you will find what you need there.
• 656[07:41:35] <ellyacht> Ok once I'm done transferring a ton of stuff I'll try chown -R user: dir
• 657[07:41:36] <ellyacht> Fy
• 658[07:41:40] <ellyacht> Ty*
• 659[07:42:14] <n4dir> if all files you want to chown follow a certain name pattern, as in your example, you may also make use of globs, i'd assume
• 660[07:42:46] <n4dir> chown -R username dir/file{1..125} (or similar, i only shoot ideas)
• 661[07:43:30] <n4dir> isn't a glob, i think.
• 662[07:43:48] <n4dir> but should work, depending on the situation.
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• 665[07:46:27] <ellyacht> Damn find is a beast!!!
• 666[07:47:54] <ellyacht> Lol I just did find / and my laptop shot it out in about 6 seconds
• 667[07:48:04] <n4dir> the good news: many are really good with it. Let them confirm your solution does what you assume it does (say in ##linux)
• 668[07:48:28] <ellyacht> Lol
• 669[07:48:59] <ellyacht> n4dir: what's your absolute favorite Linux distro and DE
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• 672[07:49:27] <n4dir> bad news: i got none. I do so little on the PC, to me it doesn't matter much. debian seems good for sure.
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• 674[07:49:55] <n4dir> right now i use void, does it's job too. dragora is ... interesting.
• 675[07:50:51] <n4dir> if you ever wanna see a different approach, look at dragora (pre-alpha-3 release)
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• 679[07:53:33] <ellyacht> I've been trying so hard to get archlinux installed to look like this replaced-url
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• 682[07:55:54] <n4dir> looks good, no?
• 683[07:56:35] <n4dir> as far i can tell arch users are looking for rolling release. void offers that, but is pretty comfortable/easy.
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• 687[07:58:22] <n4dir> gotta run, good luck with your chown problem
• 688[07:58:26] <ellyacht> Looks good what? Void?
• 689[07:58:32] <ellyacht> KK l8r
• 690[07:58:33] <n4dir> your gui.
• 691[07:59:18] <ellyacht> That wasn't mine. That's a duckduck search from a long ass time ago when I started trying to install arch
• 692[08:00:01] <n4dir> ah, i see. too early over here. gotta really run now. bye-bye.
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• 694[08:00:20] <ellyacht> Everyone in #debian is always so nice and calm u ever notice that
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• 724[08:31:23] <SerajewelKS> l9: strange. i'm not sure what the problem could be. are there any error messages? where are /boot and /? any luks/lvm/dmraid layers?
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• 887[11:00:53] <sourabhboss> Hi
• 888[11:01:21] <sourabhboss> I interested in gsoc 19 at debian
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• 891[11:04:53] <__m4ch1n3__> what is gsuck?
• 892[11:05:19] <jelly> !gsoc
• 893[11:05:20] <dpkg> [SoC] System-on-a-chip, or Summer of Code, a mentoring program created by Google, see replaced-url
• 894[11:05:39] <jelly> the latter.
• 895[11:06:11] <jelly> sourabhboss, best ask in that irc.OFTC.net (= irc.debian.org) channel
• 896[11:07:00] <sourabhboss> Okay great
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• 919[11:24:37] <xormor> how do I know that my Debian GNU/Linux has not been infected by malware, and that no malware code has been run on it? I sometimes look at pictures of unclothed females on my Debian GNU/Linux system using a browser. I don't download third party programs, except if I find them in the standard repositories. I have run chkrootkit and rkhunter on my system, and I removed the bsd-mailx or whatever was suspicious reported by rkhunter. I also run "John the
• 920[11:24:37] <xormor> Ripper" sometimes, like am now running.
• 921[11:25:23] <Tom-_> internet porn is making you scared. one of the many downsides
• 922[11:25:31] <xormor> I use the updated stable Debian.
• 923[11:25:37] <xormor> Tom-_, yes.
• 924[11:25:41] <Tom-_> your system is fine, but you're a little buggy :)
• 925[11:26:10] <Tom-_> i can give you more information in /msg if you like
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• 927[11:28:34] <__m4ch1n3__> hmm maybe less porn more animu would help?
• 928[11:28:45] <xormor> Tom-_, if you want to. I also found out that one of the sites my system was connecting to might try to install "Windows updates" on my system. Won't work, since I don't use WINE. I just use Debian. I think my cell phone is more at danger than my desktop computer.
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• 930[11:29:13] <Tom-_> is animu anime?
• 931[11:29:26] <__m4ch1n3__> wine != no malware/security
• 932[11:29:33] <__m4ch1n3__> yes
• 933[11:30:21] <Tom-_> xormor, they're probably both fine. it seems to be you that is having the deleterious effects ;) you're not the first and you definitely won't be the last
• 934[11:31:16] <__m4ch1n3__> that comes from to much vr-porn
• 935[11:31:19] <__m4ch1n3__> lol
• 936[11:31:46] <__m4ch1n3__> maybe
• 937[11:32:14] <xormor> I can get infected by influenza face-to-face, from a living person :-D
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• 939[11:32:51] <xormor> I can always reinstall my computer system, and if my cell phone has problems I think I can put it into factory settings.
• 940[11:33:21] <Tom-_> you won't need to do any of that. just give it a break for a week or so and see if your head clears
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• 942[11:35:47] <__m4ch1n3__> think cia is inside xormor router
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• 944[11:36:06] <__m4ch1n3__> *xormor's
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• 946[11:37:34] <xormor> __m4ch1n3__, oh they won't find anything useful :-D besides, I live in Finland, so it should be Supo or KRP.
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• 950[11:39:56] <__m4ch1n3__> nsa spies on americans and cia on everything not in america
• 951[11:40:08] <__m4ch1n3__> thought
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• 954[11:41:00] <annadane> there's clamav for virus checking and stuff
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• 984[11:58:43] <SerajewelKS> xormor: if you are worried you can do browsing in a secure container, or a VM/chroot both of which you can effectively snapshot
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• 988[11:59:04] <SerajewelKS> so when you're done looking at whatever you want to look at, you can revert to the snapshot and the system will be effectively untouched
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• 1117[13:18:52] <RandomSerb> hi. I've two displays with different resolutions. I want to have one bottom panel spanning across both. Now, the problem is, when I set it like so, I can barely see it on a display with lower resolution
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• 1121[13:19:07] <RandomSerb> this happened recently, before that I was able to have this working quite all right. I'm on xfce
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• 1127[13:20:26] <Lope> how can I find a PID based on the program name AND it's run arguments?
• 1128[13:21:04] <zamuro> ps eww | [nameoftheprogram]
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• 1130[13:21:12] <zamuro> ps eww | grep [nameoftheprogram]
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• 1136[13:22:32] <GNU\colossus> pgrep -laf "program.*some.*args"
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• 1138[13:22:38] <GNU\colossus> do not parse `ps`
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• 1158[13:31:14] <Lope> GNU\colossus, ah, I used `kill $(ps aux | grep "[n]bd-client foo 1234 /dev/nbd0" | awk '{print $2}')`
• 1159[13:31:16] <Lope> Works
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• 1164[13:33:50] <Lope> GNU\colossus, wow. pgrep is really nice!
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• 1172[13:39:52] <EdePopede> morning. installing g++ would only add g++-6 libstdc++-6-dev while some others are only suggestions. taking them too would install some 50 packages, but now there's gcc-6-doc as a suggestion. so installing suggestions doesn't install suggestions of suggestions?
• 1173[13:39:54] <Lope> GNU\colossus, pgrep produces a marginally shorter command: kill $(pgrep -laf "nbd-client foo 1234 /dev/nbd0" | awk '{print $1}')
• 1174[13:40:27] <zamuro> That's why they're suggestions
• 1175[13:41:32] <EdePopede> so is there a recurse switch?
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• 1180[13:42:33] <zamuro> Don't think so. I think it means it's not a dependendy, but won't hurt to have them.
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• 1183[13:43:47] <EdePopede> especially since it is a doc. but it is virtual only, hm
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• 1185[13:45:25] <EdePopede> how this? > E: Package 'gcc-6-doc' has no installation candidate
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• 1194[13:49:08] <Lope> GNU\colossus, okay, latest greatest command: pkill --full 'nbd-client foo 1234 /dev/nbd0'
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• 1260[14:24:23] <kroon> How come I can't open files via file-roller, especially tarballs ?
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• 1269[14:26:14] <kroon> Like, using file-roller on a .deb, and then unpacking the data tarball
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• 1416[16:09:13] <exifbono> hello everyone. I'd like to swap my HDD to SSD. I just bought it and I am thinking: in order to switch from one to another can I just connect the ssd, format it as ext4 and dd my current disk over it?
• 1417[16:09:19] <exifbono> Hope it's clear and is not a silly question =D
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• 1420[16:12:02] <diogenes_> exifbono, i think a fresh installtion will cost you less hassle
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• 1423[16:12:51] <nkuttler> yup, reinstall is almost always faster..
• 1424[16:12:51] <phogg> exifbono: You either dd or mkfs, not both. I would mkfs, rsync everything over, and then worry about grub.
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• 1427[16:14:38] <exifbono> I see... I'll do a fresh install and rsync at least my /home folder then
• 1428[16:15:15] <exifbono> Thanks for the tip good people =)
• 1429[16:15:30] <PaddyF> may the force be with you, exifbono
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• 1431[16:15:53] <diogenes_> especially on an ssd the installation process should be like 5 minutes
• 1432[16:16:04] <victorqueiroz> I'm having this error while trying to create .deb package: replaced-url
• 1433[16:16:07] <__m4ch1n3__> hmmm dont think this will copy disks uid or?
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• 1435[16:16:25] <n4dir> no experience with dd, but using rsync to move a full installation to a different disk is pretty straight forward. exifbono
• 1436[16:17:28] <__m4ch1n3__> victorqueiroz, hmm maybe try firs
• 1437[16:17:31] <__m4ch1n3__> make clean
• 1438[16:17:36] <__m4ch1n3__> then
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• 1440[16:17:41] <__m4ch1n3__> ./autogen.sh
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• 1442[16:17:48] <__m4ch1n3__> then ./configure
• 1443[16:17:51] <__m4ch1n3__> then make
• 1444[16:17:58] <victorqueiroz> Alright, one moment
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• 1448[16:19:01] <__m4ch1n3__> oh wait
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• 1450[16:19:04] <__m4ch1n3__> i see
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• 1452[16:19:24] <__m4ch1n3__> you trying to compile an debian source package
• 1453[16:20:03] <tomreyn> hi. is FDE (incl /boot) with / on all of (bottom to top, / on top) md raid-1, dmcrypt-luks, lvm2 whil eufi booting off gpt something the debian installer fully supports out of the box?
• 1454[16:20:16] <__m4ch1n3__> there are build scripts in one of subdirectories, there should be also a file with "rules" in this directorie
• 1455[16:20:38] <__m4ch1n3__> *rules in name
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• 1462[16:22:27] <tomreyn> i tried with ubuntu's d-i fork but it failed during grub install, using their secure boot signed x86_64 efi grub (they have a signed and a non-signed one), which lacks the cryptomount grub module.
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• 1468[16:24:32] <hexhaxtron> I got many pictures taken with my Smartphone. Is there a tool that shows the location of a picture in Google Maps?
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• 1502[16:46:11] <victorqueiroz> hexhaxtron: You should find a tool that deals with this: replaced-url
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• 1520[17:01:44] <victorqueiroz> __m4ch1n3__: there is a rules file but it seems that ./autogen.sh is being executed twice for some reason. See line 15: replaced-url
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• 1531[17:06:16] <vlt> hexhaxtron: One of the many tools that support this is Darktable.
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• 1549[17:21:44] <PaddyF> i face a strange phenomenon: hostname=ircserv; hosts entry=ircserv.localdomain; login via ssh patrick@IP --> patrick@patrick $ (not patrick@ircserv)
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• 1553[17:23:31] <PaddyF> how can i find out what is causing this?
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• 1560[17:25:28] <bites> what's the output of echo $PS1; hostname
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• 1562[17:25:36] <PaddyF> ircserv
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• 1564[17:26:17] <bites> that's not all.
• 1565[17:26:46] <PaddyF> 17:26:00 root@root:~] echo $PS1; hostname
• 1566[17:26:46] <PaddyF> [\t \u@\u:\w]
• 1567[17:26:46] <PaddyF> ircserv
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• 1570[17:27:14] <bites> so \u@\u will show as username@username.
• 1571[17:27:32] <PaddyF> wait, \u@\u?? when did that happen!
• 1572[17:27:51] <PaddyF> thanks bites :)
• 1573[17:28:01] <bites> no problem. ^^
• 1574[17:28:11] <PaddyF> amazing that i made this typo in 3 places the same time
• 1575[17:30:23] <PaddyF> or i copied the mistake. ah, no remote hands that caused this. thanks again
• 1576[17:30:40] <jim> PaddyF, maybe that's just your prompt string
• 1577[17:30:53] <PaddyF> it resolved :)
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• 1590[17:41:18] <victorqueiroz> I was able to create .deb files but I can't replace current libfreetype6 package. What should I do? replaced-url
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• 1609[17:50:57] <Heathen> Greetings everyone. I'm trying to install debian 9.6.0 on an older ThinkPad. When I start from the netinstall image Im told I need the non-free firmware. When I start with the live non-free iso, it hangs at Started Update UTMP. Any suggestions on how to get my install going?
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• 1613[17:52:17] <LtL> Heathen: use the nonfree included install iso
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• 1615[17:53:16] <Heathen> LtL, Sorry, how is that different from the live nonfree install iso I tried?
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• 1617[17:53:58] <LtL> Heathen: the live install has been known to suck and isn't advised.
• 1618[17:54:38] <LtL> i've never installed from a 'live' image/cd/dvd -ever-
• 1619[17:55:32] <LtL> Heathen: you'll need a 3.4 GB iso but it's worth the trouble.
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• 1622[17:56:14] <Heathen> Ok, I'm looking around for the not live, nonfree image now. I'll give it a try
• 1623[17:56:34] <LtL> Heathen: netinstall is fine if you can get the firmware on it.
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• 1626[17:57:34] <LtL> Heathen: replaced-url
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• 1645[18:04:02] <Heathen> LtL, I only see netinst.iso in the directory. What am I missing?
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• 1648[18:04:48] <LtL> Heathen: this is what you want, provided you're 64bit.
• 1649[18:04:54] <LtL> replaced-url
• 1650[18:05:35] <Heathen> Oh, I was looking in iso-dc
• 1651[18:05:40] <Heathen> err, iso-cd
• 1652[18:06:05] <LtL> Heathen: yeah, it doesnt fit on cd's anymore
• 1653[18:06:37] <Heathen> Ok, I'll give it a shot. Thanks again
• 1654[18:06:51] <LtL> Heathen: welcome, happy installing
• 1655[18:07:03] <Heathen> It's a slow download =(
• 1656[18:07:26] <LtL> Heathen: i feel ya, it's worth it.
• 1657[18:07:32] <Heathen> Roger
• 1658[18:07:49] <LtL> check the checksums when done
• 1659[18:08:13] <LtL> onw will do
• 1660[18:08:19] <LtL> *one
• 1661[18:08:26] <Heathen> Just to be sure.. I want firmware-9.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
• 1662[18:08:30] <Heathen> Correct?
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• 1665[18:08:44] <LtL> Heathen: if you are 64 bit yes.
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• 1667[18:09:20] <Heathen> Great. I'm on my way
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• 1675[18:16:09] <ChmEarl> victorqueiroz, look in your control. What arch is *-dev? maybe use `any` for libfreetype6-dev
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• 1688[18:22:54] <karlpinc> Heathen: FWIW, because you're only installing on a single machine you'll be wasting bandwidth downloading the dvd. You're sure to download stuff you don't install, whereas if you use the netinstall you download (during install) only what you need.
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• 1691[18:23:41] <LtL> karlpinc: he/she needs firmware
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• 1693[18:24:08] <karlpinc> LtL: There's unoffical netinstalls with non-free firmware.
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• 1695[18:24:31] <LtL> karlpinc: damn, i didn't know that
• 1696[18:24:42] <karlpinc> !firmware images
• 1697[18:24:42] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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• 1700[18:25:40] <LtL> !firmware images | Heathen
• 1701[18:26:01] <LtL> not sure if that'll work
• 1702[18:26:05] <karlpinc> LtL: You can do "!tell Heathen about firmware images"
• 1703[18:26:26] <karlpinc> LtL: It's probably not worth it though, he should be able to read it here.
• 1704[18:26:38] <LtL> !tell Heathen about firmware images
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• 1707[18:26:58] <LtL> karlpinc: thanks, i forgot about !tell
• 1708[18:27:21] <karlpinc> LtL: (and if you don't want the channel to see it then: /msg dpkg tell ...
• 1709[18:28:17] <LtL> karlpinc: nod
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• 1712[18:29:13] <LtL> Heathen: kill that d/l try this: replaced-url
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• 1725[18:32:34] <karlpinc> LtL: You left off the actual file from your url.
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• 1727[18:33:23] <LtL> karlpinc: i'm sure they'll find it. i trust but yeah i did
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• 1730[18:34:07] <LtL> Heathen: replaced-url
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• 1732[18:34:43] <LtL> poor guy probably went on vacation waiting on 3.4 GB
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• 1738[18:36:18] <LtL> This day has gone south from the get go for me *sigh*
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• 1743[18:37:02] <Thedarkb-T60> Hey, I'm having stability issues with wicd and I'm wondering what steps I'll have to take to switch to network manager
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• 1746[18:39:32] <n4dir> like in install network-manager and either remove wicd or stop it from starting during boot?
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• 1748[18:39:53] <temple48> Thedarkb-T60: I think it may be as simple as installing the appropriate NetworkManager packages, enabling NetworkManager, stopping wicd, starting NetworkManager, and disabling wicd.
• 1749[18:40:11] <ChmEarl> victorqueiroz, can you pastebin `dpkg-deb -I libfreetype6-dev_2.12_amd64.deb` ?
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• 1760[18:44:57] <Thedarkb-T60> apt installing network-manager while wicd was still running was not a good idea.
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• 1764[18:45:24] <l9> dosent sound like the best idea at least ;)
• 1765[18:45:42] <Thedarkb-T60> How do you switch network managers cleanly?
• 1766[18:46:22] <l9> never had to switch
• 1767[18:46:49] <n4dir> what didn't work with the described method?
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• 1769[18:47:28] <temple48> Thedarkb-T60: I guess you could download all the network-manager packages like apt -d install and then stop & disable wicd, then install network-manager, start & enable? if you are having some kind of issue installing network-manager while wicd is running...
• 1770[18:47:46] <temple48> Thedarkb-T60: but just installing it, as far as I know, won't enable network-manager or start it, unless you had a different experience testing it
• 1771[18:47:53] <Thedarkb-T60> I did.
• 1772[18:48:05] <Thedarkb-T60> dmesg started spitting out link not ready
• 1773[18:48:08] <Thedarkb-T60> I had to restart.
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• 1816[19:15:41] <pila> hey
• 1817[19:16:14] <pila> why is it not possible to install php7.3-curl on debian? there is problem with libcurl 3 & 4... any solution for this?
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• 1829[19:21:45] <tomreyn> pila: if you don't even discuss "problem" it will be difficult for anyone to help you out.
• 1830[19:22:09] <pila> problem is: php7.3-curl : Depends: libcurl3 (>= 7.44.0) but it is not going to be installed
• 1831[19:22:26] <pila> but since apache2 uses libcurl4 i cannot install php curl without removing apache2....
• 1832[19:22:29] <pila> so thats the problem
• 1833[19:22:47] <tomreyn> replaced-url
• 1834[19:23:15] <tomreyn> on buster, php7.3-curl depends on libcurl4. what are you running?
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• 1836[19:24:10] <pila> buster/sid
• 1837[19:24:50] <pila> php7.3-curl depends on php7.3-common (= 7.3.0-2); however:
• 1838[19:24:57] <pila> is when i try to install^^
• 1839[19:25:04] <pila> so i think i need to remove all packages first?
• 1840[19:25:48] <tomreyn> pila: you need to remove unsupported packages and apt sources, then run apt update, then install php7.3-curl
• 1841[19:26:33] <pila> is there a way to use only buster when installing packages?
• 1842[19:26:46] <pila> i added buster repo to my aptsources, somehow there is only stretch
• 1843[19:26:46] <tomreyn> see above
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• 1846[19:27:06] <pila> is it safe to remove all stretch repos?
• 1847[19:27:17] <tomreyn> depends on what you are running
• 1848[19:27:41] <tomreyn> if you'Re runnign stretch: probably not. if you're running buster, you should already have removed them
• 1849[19:28:02] <tomreyn> looks like you went through an unclean upgrade
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• 1851[19:28:22] <pila> i installed it through my hoster
• 1852[19:28:56] <tomreyn> so you did a fresh install (not an upgrade) using the buster image of your hoster, and now you have apt sources pointing to stretch?
• 1853[19:29:14] <pila> yes
• 1854[19:29:24] <tomreyn> find a new hoster
• 1855[19:29:39] <tomreyn> for now, run: sudo apt update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1856[19:29:43] <tomreyn> then report the url here
• 1857[19:30:08] <tomreyn> then run: sudo apt-cache policy 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1858[19:30:10] <tomreyn> then report the url here
• 1859[19:30:35] <tomreyn> finally run "lsb_release -ds" and post the output here.
• 1860[19:30:38] <pila> replaced-url
• 1861[19:30:44] <jelly> ,v php7.3-curl
• 1862[19:30:45] <judd> Package: php7.3-curl on amd64 -- buster: 7.3.0-2; sid: 7.3.0-2
• 1863[19:31:12] <pila> replaced-url
• 1864[19:31:24] <jelly> pila, mixing different, especially newer debian release repos is not supported
• 1865[19:31:40] <pila> u mean the buster one?
• 1866[19:31:53] <jelly> if you had a stretch installation, yes
• 1867[19:31:55] <tomreyn> pila: you installed stretch, then added buster and sid sources
• 1868[19:32:06] <pila> that was just for a test i did that 2 mins ago
• 1869[19:32:08] <tomreyn> pila: this is not your hosters' unmodified image, i'm convinced
• 1870[19:32:30] <pila> are you sure? i fired up their recovery system, picked the install image, and installed it
• 1871[19:32:38] <pila> i only modifier raid levels in their config
• 1872[19:32:46] <jelly> pila, you can either upgrade fully to buster, or reinstall and avoid mixing
• 1873[19:32:49] <pila> except from that i did not alter anything
• 1874[19:33:00] <pila> i would want to avoid reinstalling
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• 1877[19:33:20] <pila> should i try lsb_release -ds ?
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• 1879[19:33:38] <pila> "Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid"
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• 1881[19:33:50] <jelly> so you managed to install some things from buster.
• 1882[19:33:58] <tomreyn> pila: you re-created frankensteins monster there
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• 1885[19:34:19] <tomreyn> pila: mixing parts of 3 releases
• 1886[19:34:23] <tomreyn> +a ppa
• 1887[19:34:26] <pila> mhhh...
• 1888[19:34:32] <pila> better backup my stuff and do a clean reinstall?
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• 1891[19:34:44] <jelly> that's the simplest thing to do yes
• 1892[19:34:48] <tomreyn> probably
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• 1896[19:35:25] <jelly> or switch over to buster completely, with all the consequences using the "testing" branch has
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• 1898[19:36:08] <jelly> I don't see any ppa in that policy output.
• 1899[19:36:25] <tomreyn> i should have said 2third party apt repository"
• 1900[19:36:37] <tomreyn> sury
• 1901[19:36:39] <jelly> !deb.sury.org
• 1902[19:36:39] <dpkg> Short instructions for sury's php deb builds can be found at replaced-url
• 1903[19:37:25] <tomreyn> i'm aware that it's well maintained, i'm just pointing out that pila should have told us about the modifications they made
• 1904[19:38:07] <jelly> Should have? If people knew what they were doing they would not come ask us questions here.
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• 1906[19:38:35] <tomreyn> well they said that it was a fresh installation using the hosters' image
• 1907[19:38:38] <tomreyn> which it clearly isnt
• 1908[19:38:41] <pila> i cant explain why everything was mixed
• 1909[19:39:15] <pila> but thanks for leading me the right way
• 1910[19:39:27] <jelly> the only way is that someone, you, or your hoster, added repos that do not work well with debian 9 (stretch)
• 1911[19:39:27] <pila> i understand that this is a true frankenstein monster :D
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• 1913[19:39:55] <pila> i will backup my stuff, and reinstall tomorrow
• 1914[19:40:02] <pila> how can i "verify" that it worked this time?
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• 1917[19:40:05] <tomreyn> cool, good luck there.
• 1918[19:40:28] <tomreyn> pila: repeat the steps i asked you to do (posting this output)
• 1919[19:40:36] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
• 1920[19:40:36] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1921[19:40:48] <pila> so in apt source should only be buster right?
• 1922[19:40:51] <pila> and no stretch
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• 1924[19:41:09] <tomreyn> pila: if "apt-cache policy" lists repositoies which are not the official ones, you'll know something is wrong.
• 1925[19:41:36] <jelly> pila, debian 9 is stretch is the current release. buster is a work in progress, don't use that unless you know why you need and want it.
• 1926[19:41:49] <jelly> !buster
• 1927[19:41:49] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. replaced-url
• 1928[19:41:50] <tomreyn> pila: i think you want stretch, not buster.
• 1929[19:42:01] <pila> yeah probably thats better
• 1930[19:42:08] <pila> so stretch = 9.0 buster = 9.5 ?
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• 1933[19:42:42] <coruja> buster will be 10 when released
• 1934[19:42:42] <jelly> point releases are just fixes, stretch = everything from 9.0 to 9.6
• 1935[19:42:43] <tomreyn> buster will likely be debian 10
• 1936[19:42:53] <tomreyn> replaced-url
• 1937[19:43:09] <pila> oh
• 1938[19:43:12] <pila> yeah okay
• 1939[19:43:15] <pila> then i installed stretch
• 1940[19:43:18] <pila> i was wrong
• 1941[19:43:26] <jelly> !9.6
• 1942[19:43:26] <dpkg> Debian 9.6 was released on Nov 10, 2018. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Further details are at replaced-url
• 1943[19:43:30] <pila> is there a way to remove the buster stuff? i just did it 10 mins ago and it may be only 1 package
• 1944[19:43:34] <jelly> no
• 1945[19:44:02] <jelly> it's not only 1 package, you already updated base-files and other dependencies
• 1946[19:44:08] <tomreyn> pila: once you reinstalled and verified you have only stretch apt sources, you can re-add the sury apt source (but for stretch, not buster), which should enable you to install the newer php version
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• 1951[19:44:36] <jelly> if you have a backup of the installation from before any buster stuff got added, you can restore to that state
• 1952[19:44:40] <pila> yeah i think i added the wrong sury apt source
• 1953[19:44:42] <pila> which messed up
• 1954[19:44:53] <jelly> it is not the sury source that is wrong
• 1955[19:45:05] <jelly> it's all the "buster" and "sid" and "experimental" stuff
• 1956[19:45:42] <pila> i see...
• 1957[19:45:43] <coruja> pila, apt list --installed | grep "/testing"
• 1958[19:45:58] <pila> empty result
• 1959[19:47:25] <tomreyn> pila: see the report of your apt sources again: replaced-url
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• 1961[19:48:05] <coruja> looks like no testing packages are installed then (as long as all repos are still active, else try again with testing replaced by /now and/or /unstable)
• 1962[19:48:59] <tomreyn> coruja: you must have missed that "lsb_release -ds" reports "Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid"
• 1963[19:49:32] <jelly> coruja, if a package version is available from more than one repo, what does that command show?
• 1964[19:49:34] <coruja> indeed - strange that there are no testing packages installed then
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• 1966[19:50:04] <coruja> jelly, e.g. <package>/stable, testing, unstable, now
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• 1968[19:50:10] <tomreyn> coruja: not strange, there is no "testing" apt source.
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• 1970[19:51:19] <coruja> ah, i see, so i misinterpreted the talking about buster above
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• 1972[19:52:06] <coruja> has pila already pasted a complete list of installed packages? (i better ask in advance)
• 1973[19:52:09] <tomreyn> this may be a way to determine non stretch packages: apt list --installed | grep -Fv '/stretch, '
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• 1975[19:52:28] <tomreyn> coruja: no, but so far we suggested a reinstall
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• 1977[19:52:30] <jelly> tomreyn, it does not show the source, I got a buster system with "buster" in sources.list, yet
• 1978[19:52:32] <jelly> base-files/testing,unstable,now 10.1 amd64 [installed]
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• 1980[19:52:32] <jelly> libc6/testing,now 2.28-2 amd64 [installed,upgradable to: 2.28-4]
• 1981[19:52:39] <tomreyn> which is probably faster than trying to release downgrade
• 1982[19:52:41] <coruja> then we could take a look for ourselves
• 1983[19:53:21] <tomreyn> jelly: okay, sorry then coruja, i was mistaken there.
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• 1985[19:53:31] <pila> replaced-url
• 1986[19:53:53] <jelly> so it's a pretty much sid (unstable) system
• 1987[19:53:55] <coruja> ok, reinstall then i guess
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• 1990[19:54:26] <jelly> heh, haveged
• 1991[19:54:35] <pila> but how was i able to mess up so badly?
• 1992[19:54:51] <pila> i believe i added a repo maybe just for 1 package
• 1993[19:55:00] <jelly> you added sid (or unstable) repos and did an upgrade or full-upgrade command.
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• 1995[19:55:20] <pila> apt-get upgrade... yeah^^ i remember that
• 1996[19:55:22] <jelly> apt and aptitude have logs. Also, your shell may have kept history.
• 1997[19:55:23] <pila> but no full-upgrade
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• 2006[19:57:35] <pila> anyway, i reinstall and watch for the apt sources better next time
• 2007[19:57:43] <pila> thank you very much for the help
• 2008[19:57:54] <tomreyn> pila: after reinstall, you can do this: replaced-url
• 2009[19:58:10] <tomreyn> then you just need to apt update and install the php packages you need.
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• 2011[19:58:29] <pila> thats a great tip! thanks. i bookmarked the link
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• 2013[19:58:39] <tomreyn> remember "apt update && apt policy" to check your apt sources
• 2014[19:58:49] <pila> thank you all very much for taking time and patience for my silly questions^^
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• 2016[19:58:54] <pila> i wish you a great day/night
• 2017[19:59:42] <tomreyn> pila: using sury's DPA, be sure to also read replaced-url
• 2018[19:59:45] <tomreyn> see you!
• 2019[20:00:07] <tomreyn> those questions weren't silly, it was good you asked.
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• 2023[20:02:04] <coltkirk> i switched to debian this morning after pacman -Syu blew my graphics card up
• 2024[20:03:21] <coltkirk> im enjoying the package manager more than opening up community packages from the centos i had tried for a quick minute
• 2025[20:03:40] <SerajewelKS> coltkirk: no guarantees that won't happen with debian, either.... i regularly have to sift through package upgrade conflicts every time there is an nvidia-driver update, and if i'm not careful it will uninstall most of the driver packages.
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• 2028[20:04:52] <Hund> I have never had any issues with Nvidia in Arch. I know that's not the case for a lot of people though. I seem to have issues with in Debian though.
• 2029[20:04:56] <coltkirk> my friends told me that "'stable' releases are so 90s," in a funny way, so here i am on the testing version... i back up config files to git as to not reconfig everything
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• 2032[20:05:33] <SerajewelKS> coltkirk: if you're talking about /etc, have a look at the etckeeper package
• 2033[20:05:53] <Hund> I went with testing as well, I didn't expect it to be soo.. testing though. :P
• 2034[20:05:57] <coltkirk> mainly .emacs .xauthority. .zshrc and a few other things
• 2035[20:06:04] <SerajewelKS> ah
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• 2037[20:07:14] <coltkirk> what might i do to troubleshoot an atomic meltdown in the future? i just had chaotic text all over the screen.
• 2038[20:08:04] <coltkirk> regardeless, im pleased with debian. serious buisnesses don't use arch, from what my people say
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• 2040[20:09:07] <Hund> No, you want a stable distro for your businesses.
• 2041[20:09:48] <coltkirk> btw im just at home, homebrew hacker, trying to catch a break
• 2042[20:10:24] <Hund> What's that?
• 2043[20:10:25] <coltkirk> debian-stable for business, i was kidding about the slight
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• 2045[20:10:42] <coltkirk> what?
• 2046[20:10:51] <Hund> Homebrew hacker?
• 2047[20:11:02] <coltkirk> amateur
• 2048[20:11:10] <Hund> Ahh
• 2049[20:11:15] <SerajewelKS> coltkirk: #1 rule is make a full system backup before doing upgrades you're worried about
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• 2051[20:11:38] <coltkirk> using git right
• 2052[20:12:11] <SerajewelKS> coltkirk: git is not a backup tool. i use restic, there's also things like duplicity and borg.
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• 2054[20:12:26] <SerajewelKS> (if you use restic, the version in debian is so out of date that it's useless, use the release binary on github instead)
• 2055[20:12:28] <nkuttler> eh, rule 1# of backups is to automate them and make them continuously ;)
• 2056[20:12:55] <SerajewelKS> that too
• 2057[20:12:55] <Hund> Rule #2 should probably be to test your backups. :)
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• 2059[20:13:20] <nkuttler> pretty much
• 2060[20:13:29] <Hund> The only thing that's worse than no backups is backups that doesn't work.
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• 2062[20:13:53] <coltkirk> ok. thank you. i save those type of rules into a todo.org file for me to go through, and 'learn by doing'
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• 2064[20:14:25] <coltkirk> my life is one lon todo list
• 2065[20:14:30] <coltkirk> *long
• 2066[20:14:44] <nkuttler> the more you learn, the longer it gets
• 2067[20:14:54] <Hund> There's also that 3-2-1 rule as well.
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• 2071[20:16:33] <Hund> 3 copies, 2 types of medias and 1 offsite copy. If I recall it correctly.
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• 2073[20:16:42] <coltkirk> duly noted
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• 2075[20:17:15] <SerajewelKS> with restic i keep one copy on-site and two off-site copies instead
• 2076[20:17:19] <SerajewelKS> seems a bit safer to me
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• 2083[20:20:33] <Hund> They're talking about servers though. You don't store the backups on the server. So we're really talking about 3 computers and one of them is offsite.
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• 2085[20:21:18] <SerajewelKS> right. we use one on-site dedicated backup server and two off-site replicas.
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• 2087[20:21:26] <Hund> Okey. :)
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• 2117[20:40:59] <annadane> what is a good primer on cron jobs other than the man pages?
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• 2119[20:41:38] <Hund> replaced-url
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• 2152[21:03:37] * whislock bookmarks that...
• 2153[21:03:40] <notenoughcatnip> Hund: tnx for that cron website.
• 2154[21:03:50] <Hund> Np. :)
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• 2158[21:09:01] <friendofafriend> Where can I find live images for ARM targets?
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• 2174[21:14:31] <karlpinc> friendofafriend: I don't know. You can start here:
• 2175[21:14:34] <karlpinc> !debian live
• 2176[21:14:34] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. NOT recommended for installing Debian. Live images are available from replaced-url
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• 2178[21:16:49] <exifbono> hello everyone. I just removed my old hard disk and swapped it for a SSD. Now, I want to recover all of my stuff but the old hdd is FDE. I get asked for the password, I put it and I have an Error: operation was canceled. This is my lsblk: replaced-url
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• 2183[21:18:38] <exifbono> I tried to mount it with mount and cryptsetup, no good. Here is the output: replaced-url
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• 2193[21:25:18] <coltkirk> about to purge xfce and make default i3 wm. i learn more staying away from windows-like interfaces
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• 2195[21:26:15] <insecurity> hi all. i'm experiencing this issue in kali but having a heck of a time finding a solution. it's a fresh install. rebooting is fine until i apt-get upgrade, then after rebooting i get this error and can't boot: replaced-url
• 2196[21:26:42] <mtn> !kali
• 2197[21:26:42] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 2198[21:26:47] <RustyShackleford> replaced-url
• 2199[21:26:51] <RustyShackleford> pretty neat application
• 2200[21:27:28] <RustyShackleford> anything else I should look into? I've been recommended nagios
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• 2212[21:32:18] <watchcat> exifbono: here are commands for creating, opening, closing crypsetup partitions: replaced-url
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• 2215[21:33:41] <altker128> insecurity: Something got screwed up in your install -- did you clone it from one drive to another? The UUID stuff is telling you that the boot loader (GRUB) is looking for a certain unique drive for the OS but can't find it. You can try to salvage it by fixing grub & the /etc/fstab usually
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• 2219[21:34:20] <insecurity> altker128: nothing beyond installing into a VM from the latest .iso. seems the upadte is messing it up
• 2220[21:34:27] <insecurity> going to try their pre-build VM nexst..
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• 2222[21:35:45] <altker128> insecurity: Something doesn't sound right there then. The installer will pick up on the UUID of the destination drive and properly set that up.
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• 2225[21:37:07] <exifbono> watchcat, thanks, after a bit of a hassle with error I managed... feew, cold sweat for a couple of minutes =D
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• 2229[21:39:00] <cryptoape> Why not just run kali live as intended?
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• 2234[21:39:42] <insecurity> ..live?
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• 2237[21:40:56] <cryptoape> Boot the iso run the tools to learn then shut down it's not meant to be a daily use
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• 2242[21:41:55] <insecurity> altker128: before i reboot fstab has the right uuid... it's empty when i'm in the initramfs shell though
• 2243[21:41:56] <cryptoape> And if you want some of the tools Google them add the ppas or repos and install them for use on your daily.
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• 2247[21:42:15] <insecurity> cryptoape: i think you are mistaken about the intended use.
• 2248[21:42:27] <cryptoape> Uh no
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• 2250[21:43:22] <insecurity> i use it for pen testing. booting into a live environment will not lend itself to that over time.
• 2251[21:43:33] <insecurity> the intended use of the distro is for pen testing.
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• 2253[21:43:57] <cryptoape> It's a security based distribution that is quite often used live in forensic investigations and penetration testing boot to a live session do your work save reports to a USB fir analyzing later
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• 2255[21:44:05] <PaddyF> my banana pi runs from an sd card and i connected a sata drive via usb. i want to have the same partition on the sd card and the usb drive. how can i do that?
• 2256[21:44:13] <insecurity> cryptoape: cool.
• 2257[21:44:20] <altker128> Glancing over this (replaced-url
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• 2260[21:44:41] <PaddyF> altker128: for kali stuff go to kali support places, i would say
• 2261[21:44:43] <insecurity> altker128: strange that a update breaks it though?
• 2262[21:45:11] <PaddyF> nevermind
• 2263[21:45:34] <altker128> PaddyF: Understood, I'm not struggling with Kali, I use Debian :)
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• 2265[21:45:41] <PaddyF> :)
• 2266[21:45:52] <exifbono> PaddyF, You want to reproduce the exact same partition table and data of the sdcard into the usdb device?
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• 2268[21:46:08] <exifbono> usb*
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• 2271[21:46:17] <PaddyF> exifbono: not the partition table just the content of a partition
• 2272[21:46:34] <exifbono> mmhm. Why is cp not suitable?
• 2273[21:46:45] <PaddyF> like a raid1 or something
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• 2275[21:47:17] <PaddyF> maybe cp or rsync are suitable. thats why i ask
• 2276[21:47:49] <exifbono> ah, yeah they should do the job. cp -a, so you'll get hidden stuff as well
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• 2281[21:48:36] <PaddyF> problem with cp and rsync: when i delete a file or directory on A it will not sync over to B. and the next time i sync B will sync it back to A, etc.
• 2282[21:49:12] <coltkirk> i made a .xinitrc file with "exec i3" now i only boot into initramfs. might i be pointed to the /home/ directory from this place as to fix the file
• 2283[21:49:22] <exifbono> I have a similar question: since I just changed my hard disk for a ssd, what parameters would you people recommend to rsync the entire old hdd to the new one so that I'll have the same programs, preferences and everything?
• 2284[21:49:57] <exifbono> ah, PaddyF, you want them to keep syncing, so that you delete something from A and it will delete the same thing on B?
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• 2287[21:50:10] <PaddyF> exifbono: yup!
• 2288[21:50:21] <altker128> PaddyF: rsync :)
• 2289[21:50:50] <altker128> PaddyF: It's got a bewildering number of options but it will do what you want. There's an option to delete files/folders if they're not present on the source
• 2290[21:50:52] <PaddyF> i hate rsync for its many features
• 2291[21:51:17] <PaddyF> ah. very nice then
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• 2293[21:52:02] <watchcat> exifbono: replaced-url
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• 2297[21:53:46] <altker128> exifbono: I used gparted to copy the partitions ; you'll usually have to update the /etc/fstab and also find a file for systemd's suspend/resume and update that UUID as well
• 2298[21:53:58] <coltkirk> ill try booting from a live usb and searching for the home folder from there
• 2299[21:54:49] <exifbono> thanks watchcat and altker128, I'll do my homework and report if I feel like I'm drowning =D
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• 2301[21:56:04] <RustyShackleford> I have a few services that serve a webpage at certain port
• 2302[21:56:23] <RustyShackleford> Is there a way I can remotely access these without exposing them to the internet?
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• 2304[21:56:47] <RustyShackleford> open port 22 on my router so I can ssh in. And then like.. ssh tunneling maybe?
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• 2311[21:58:07] <altker128> RustyShackleford: Or setup a VPN, like OpenVPN. In the long-term this works well
• 2312[21:58:18] <exifbono> RustyShackleford, ssh tunnel will work. I use sshuttle to make it easier
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• 2316[21:59:13] <RustyShackleford> altker128: do I host OpenVPN on the same machine I want to access remotely?
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• 2318[21:59:33] <RustyShackleford> or do I get an AWS/digitalocean vpn?
• 2319[21:59:43] <watchcat> RustyShackleford: you could also make them tor hidden service, which is amazingly easy.
• 2320[21:59:44] <RustyShackleford> vps. too many acronyms lol
• 2321[21:59:59] <altker128> RustyShackleford: It doesn't have to be that way, but it can. The OpenVPN connection needs to give you network access to your local network. You could install it on a firewall computer which is network connected, or onto the server itself.
• 2322[22:00:05] <RustyShackleford> I want to be able to stream video remotely, if it matters
• 2323[22:00:29] <RustyShackleford> I was really interested in a vpn
• 2324[22:00:32] <altker128> My suggestion is on the machine that's Internet facing
• 2325[22:00:38] <altker128> (firewall or server or VPS)
• 2326[22:01:06] <RustyShackleford> it seems like a great way to access everything on your home wifi network
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• 2329[22:01:13] <RustyShackleford> without having to open a bunch of ports
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• 2331[22:01:24] <exifbono> watchcat, I do that for all machines, in case routers get reset, but for streaming content may be too slow
• 2332[22:01:41] <RustyShackleford> it would be cool to run all my devices through pihole as well
• 2333[22:01:46] <watchcat> yep.
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• 2361[22:24:59] <coltkirk> my first day of debian and i already screwed up enough to delete and start from scratch. guess to backup everything will be my very first task as I can see this defaulting to initramfs over and over again as a common occurance until I actually know what I am doing
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• 2363[22:25:50] <annadane> do you understand what you screwed up or do you just think you screwed up "something" to make it default repeatedly to initramfs?
• 2364[22:27:20] <coltkirk> i made a .xintrc file with some copied code. that started this. then i edited it again correctly, getting me to the login, however I cannot log into my user, as the password is incorrect
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• 2366[22:28:38] <coltkirk> in thunar A big red X is on the drive over my home folder, when viewing from a live disk
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• 2368[22:28:42] <abrotman> you can't login at the shell?
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• 2377[22:31:35] <coltkirk> target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init
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• 2379[22:32:10] <coltkirk> ill google arond
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• 2386[22:34:53] <coltkirk> initramfs is probably a learning opportunity so, just nuking it might be just cheating
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• 2388[22:35:35] <karlpinc> RustyShackleford: You _can_ configure your firewall to pass openvpn traffic to some other box on your network, but if you want to access the whole network you may as well just configure the firewall to support openvpn and access your network from there.
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• 2393[22:36:14] <RustyShackleford> karlpinc: might need some better hardware for that
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• 2395[22:36:27] <RustyShackleford> I have a wireless router that supports ddwrt
• 2396[22:38:09] <karlpinc> RustyShackleford: Your current hardware might suffice, you'd be suprised how little cpu is required. It does depend on how much bandwidth you intend to push through.
• 2397[22:38:26] <RustyShackleford> usually not much
• 2398[22:38:34] <RustyShackleford> I would like to be able to stream video via plex though
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• 2401[22:38:54] <RustyShackleford> nice to have: route my mobile phone through the vpn also for ad blocking
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• 2403[22:39:16] <whislock> I do. Just not with OpenVPN.
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• 2405[22:39:38] <whislock> OpenVPN can do it too, quite easily, just to be clear.
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• 2409[22:41:45] <karlpinc> I'd expect that wireguard would use less cpu. Am I right in that it does not have to switch in and out of userland?
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• 2413[22:43:35] <whislock> Wireguard is also not ready for real-world use.
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• 2416[22:44:15] <hexa-> karlpinc: correct
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• 2419[22:45:43] <karlpinc> Humm. The internet says this about openvpn cpu requirements: "If your CPU is older and does not have AES-NI, assume 40MHz per megabit per second of data traffic." replaced-url
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• 2423[22:48:03] <karlpinc> whislock: Yeah. And sadly, even when wireguard is ready for real world use it won't be ready, because crypto software needs to age for a while before it's well trusted. The other downside is that I don't recall it being cross platform, just linux/android.
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• 2425[22:49:27] <whislock> At this point, yes. The only Windows implementation, for example, was immediately deemed unsafe by the Wireguard devs.
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• 2428[22:50:34] <karlpinc> whislock: I'm less interested in MS Windows than I am in the BSDs. Although in practice MS Windows seems always to get in my face sooner or later.
• 2429[22:50:46] <RustyShackleford> netstat is really neat
• 2430[22:51:50] <RustyShackleford> i'm trying nagios. seems like it needs more configuration out of the box?
• 2431[22:52:00] <karlpinc> RustyShackleford: ss is good too.
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• 2435[22:52:35] <RustyShackleford> sorry netdata
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• 2438[22:53:01] <RustyShackleford> replaced-url
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• 2464[23:04:46] <centrix> I have come accross a server that rotates logs using "squid -k rotate" out of the /etc/logrotate.d/squid config in the postrotate section. I suppose it is not neat to rotate logs using two mechanism. Am I right?
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• 2478[23:11:25] <centrix> Why to use logrotate to rotate squid logs while I can simply set a cron job calling "squid -k rotate"?
• 2479[23:14:42] <abrotman> keeping things consistent?
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• 2482[23:16:59] <jhutchins> centrix: What does the man page say -k does?
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• 2484[23:18:09] <fuxxy> Is there a utility I can use that's scriptable to go through my folder of >500 movies and determine what the default audio stream is for each?
• 2485[23:18:11] <jhutchins> centrix: Some programs require a separate step to re-start the log file.
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• 2493[23:21:17] <centrix> jhutchins, I tried to call "squid -k rotate" separately and it did what expected.
• 2494[23:22:14] <centrix> Esp. when you have "rotate 10" in the logrotate conf and "logfile_rotate XY" uncommented in squid's config!
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• 2496[23:24:00] <jhutchins> Apache has a whole independent log management tool, but I like seeing everything managed by logrotate. It's standard, it's running anyway, and there just isn't much point in re-inventing the wheel.
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• 2499[23:26:34] <jhutchins> We have systems at work where someone has disabled log rotation for atop (internal) and apache (just no management). Once the person who decided to maintain them manually leaves, nobody knows there's a problem until the disk's full.
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• 2501[23:27:14] <centrix> jhutchins, let me post configs and what I have found ...
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• 2504[23:28:23] <jhutchins> centrix: Like I said, I don't know squid. I'm sure there's information in it's man pages and discussion of logging on their site.
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• 2506[23:28:48] <centrix> OK then.
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• 2520[23:37:53] <annadane> the man page is written in squid ink :-)
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• 2548[23:57:33] <Wulf> Hello!
• 2549[23:58:06] <Wulf> On sid, "python3.6 -m venv some_dir/" no longer works. Should I just live with it and use py3.7, or is there an easy way to fix it?
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