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38 [00:32:13] <thoraxe> so i'm totally new to debian, and i'm trying to install redis on Jessie. I feel like it worked a few hours ago, but suddenly isn't. I'm more or less following replaced-url
39 [00:32:15] <thoraxe> already today. so my question is: is this a launchpad issue, a misconfiguration on my side, a contact the owner issue, or what?
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43 [00:35:03] <a417> thoraxe: you successfully installed it via apt-(get)?
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46 [00:36:04] <a417> thoraxe: if you're installing it on debian, and you're looking for distro specific stuff on a ubuntu ppa, that's part of your problem
47 [00:37:07] <a417> thoraxe: if you added the 'dotdeb' mirrors like that page says, you should have nothing to do with the ppa redis repos for ubuntu
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49 [00:37:25] <psiconauta> just use the default package
50 [00:37:33] <thoraxe> so i think i see what happened
51 [00:37:44] <thoraxe> the ppa add-repo command actually failed, but i was pasting junk
52 [00:37:44] <psiconauta> redis-server
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54 [00:37:54] <a417> 'apt-get install redis-server' is it
55 [00:38:02] <thoraxe> once i fixed the add-repo command in a later attempt (i'm doing this in containers) then i started getting the failures
56 [00:38:06] <thoraxe> so it's actually all PEBCAK
57 [00:38:08] <thoraxe> thanks all
58 [00:38:22] <a417> no prob. ignore the PPA stuff, the default packages on jessie work
59 [00:38:26] <thoraxe> kk
60 [00:38:46] <psiconauta> or just apt install redis-server
61 [00:38:48] <thoraxe> the tl;dr is i'm trying to bring up some old dev code to prep for a developer coming onboard and our docs are quite stale
62 [00:38:51] <thoraxe> copy that, tx
63 [00:40:09] <a417> you basically went to a Ford dealer looking for Audi parts.
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66 [00:40:59] <thoraxe> yep
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69 [00:41:21] <thoraxe> although if you had said "you went to the ford dealer looking for mazda parts" that might be more accurate ;)
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71 [00:42:26] <shmam> I'm trying to build handbrake on debian 9 and when I try to update nasm, it says that the package is not a debian format archive even though it came from ftp.debian.org
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81 [00:47:52] <cybercrypto> hi there
82 [00:48:03] <cybercrypto> best wishes for 19!
83 [00:48:28] <annadane> you too!
84 [00:49:06] <Trollstoi> \o/
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93 [00:52:35] <hypn0> build, its in 9 :-/
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144 [01:29:24] <jardiamj> First of all, Happy New year!
145 [01:29:35] <jardiamj> I can't figure out why I cannot kill gdm using systemctl stop gdm from a terminal
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150 [01:30:52] <jardiamj> telinit 3 kills it, but if I switch to a Virtual Terminal and run [sudo systemctl stop gdm] I get:
151 [01:31:02] <psiconauta> check the journalctl
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153 [01:31:34] <jardiamj> Fail to stop gdm.service: Unit gdm.service not loaded
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159 [01:34:39] <psiconauta> current status (disabled)? check with systemctl status gdm
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163 [01:36:25] <jardiamj> this is what appears in journalctl:
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165 [01:36:42] <jardiamj> Jan 01 16:34:56 thinkblue sudo[5967]: jardi : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/jardi ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/systemctl stop gdm
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169 [01:38:20] <temple48> jardiamj: how do you know gdm is running?
170 [01:38:42] <jardiamj> I am in the GUI right now
171 [01:39:06] <temple48> jardiamj: are you mixing up gdm and gnome-shell?
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175 [01:40:26] <jardiamj> temple48, what do you mean?
176 [01:41:10] <temple48> jardiamj: ok, do what psiconauta said: systemctl status gdm
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178 [01:41:38] <jardiamj> i did that, it says loaded and enabled
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180 [01:41:49] <jardiamj> but it also gives me this:
181 [01:41:51] <jardiamj> Active: inactive (dead) since Tue 2019-01-01 15:48:50 PST; 48min ago
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209 [02:09:05] <jardiamj> I restarted my laptop, the GUI loads on the first Virtual Terminal (F1), i tried killing it [sudo systemctl stop gdm], but nothing happened.
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212 [02:10:09] <shellclear> hi guys, retroarch app is needing access to input system group, what are the consequences to include my user inside that group?
213 [02:10:18] <jardiamj> so I switch to Terminal to (ctl+alt F2), and then tried going back to the GUI (alt+F1) and realized that the GUI is now on terminal F4
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216 [02:11:23] <jardiamj> this is really puzzling, what is the normal/expected behavior?
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218 [02:12:49] <dvs> jardiamj, the normal behaviour is the GUI should be in Alt-F7
219 [02:13:39] <jardiamj> there is nothing in Alt+F7.
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221 [02:15:17] <jardiamj> i mean, it switches to a blank screen there. but my GUI is in Alt+F4, and switches to a different one when I try to kill gdm
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227 [02:17:12] <Trollstoi> looks like it respawns
228 [02:17:29] <watchcat> lol. i think you just solved the mystery.
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230 [02:17:48] <jardiamj> lol, yeah... mystery solved...
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232 [02:18:07] <jardiamj> why would it be behaving this way?
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234 [02:19:32] <jardiamj> the only thing I can think of is the fact that my laptop (Thinkpad T420) has one of those hybrid Nvidia graphic cards
235 [02:19:53] <watchcat> looks like you are indeed killing gdm, then the whole thing moves to anotger virtual terminal and starts over.
236 [02:20:15] <jardiamj> and I installed Bumblebee because I want to try attaching a second monitor to it
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238 [02:20:30] <Trollstoi> do ps -e|grep Xorg and see how many you have
239 [02:20:34] <Trollstoi> :)
240 [02:20:41] <annadane> 900 kajillion
241 [02:22:03] <jardiamj> Trollstoi, just one on tty4
242 [02:22:57] <Trollstoi> is there any reason why you do not want the graphical session on tty1 ?
243 [02:23:18] <Trollstoi> or any reason you don't want gdm?
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247 [02:25:00] <jardiamj> no, it just froze and I moved to a Virtual terminal and tried killing it there but it didn't work, so I had to restart the laptop
248 [02:25:14] <jardiamj> and now I am wondering why the damn thing won't die... lol
249 [02:25:57] <Trollstoi> it froze at gdm? aka graphical login prompt?
250 [02:26:40] <watchcat> my gui is always on f1, but that's where i do startx. no dm.
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252 [02:27:23] <jardiamj> yeah, when I open the lid of my laptop the screen was frozen.
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254 [02:28:10] <Trollstoi> oh, that smells of stinky resume from sleep
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256 [02:29:13] <Trollstoi> happens in many failure modes, I typically configure power manager to just turn off display on lid close
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258 [02:29:38] <jardiamj> yeah, it happens every so often. I ended up disabling the suspend on lid closed.
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260 [02:29:48] <Trollstoi> agreed, ut shouldn't happen, ask someone else for more insight
261 [02:30:25] <jardiamj> I'll do that after investigating a little more.
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263 [02:31:22] <Trollstoi> and display managers are made very persistent, X is started with it, so it could even be X that respawns it (guessing). A dirty killall Xorg may get rid of it
264 [02:32:15] <jardiamj> [telinit 3] kills it
265 [02:33:01] <whislock> jardiamj: Running stretch?
266 [02:33:06] <Trollstoi> is telinit a front to systemd/init?
267 [02:33:24] <whislock> telinit is basically deprecated. It's an alias to various common systemd targets.
268 [02:33:34] <Trollstoi> i.e. setting runlevel?
269 [02:33:41] <whislock> There are no runlevels anymore.
270 [02:33:44] <jardiamj> I am reading that in the man page right now
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273 [02:34:46] <jardiamj> [telinit 3] would translate to [systemctl isolate runlevel3.target]
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275 [02:35:31] <whislock> runlevel3.target is just a symlink to multi-user.target.
276 [02:35:33] <themill> (debian never really used runlevels anyway)
277 [02:36:09] <joepublic> the more I use systemd the less I dislike it, frankly
278 [02:36:33] <whislock> And I go the other way.
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280 [02:37:27] <Trollstoi> I recall certain promises made regardng systemd...
281 [02:37:37] <whislock> The topic itself is really worn out, anyway. I've yet to hear a reasonable argument against it. Just a ton of whining.
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285 [02:38:25] <jardiamj> I really liked it
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287 [02:38:44] <jardiamj> *like it
288 [02:40:28] <Trollstoi> it's reasonable to assume that, it being a worn out topic, all reaaonable arguments against it have already been made.
289 [02:40:44] <jardiamj> Debian still keeps a lot of thing back-compatible with systemV
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291 [02:41:00] <Kremator> systemV?
292 [02:41:10] <jardiamj> runlevels
293 [02:41:17] <jardiamj> Init
294 [02:41:21] <jardiamj> whatever you call it
295 [02:41:23] <jardiamj> lol
296 [02:41:37] <whislock> Trollstoi: More correctly, all of the arguments that have been made against it have been found to be rooted in misunderstandings, misinformation, or emotional bias.
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299 [02:45:27] <RustyShackleford> I'm trying to set up plex on docker
300 [02:45:35] <RustyShackleford> my data lives on /srv/plex
301 [02:46:09] <RustyShackleford> Then I give the plex container the id of a user which owns that data volume. whats a good practice?
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307 [02:46:42] <Trollstoi> that sounds nearly impossible. I'd believe that the advantages have, in a majority's view, outweighed possible drawbacks, and that's fair, but that *all* counterarguments had been but pure emo, sounds too categorical to be true
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309 [02:47:55] <whislock> Then I'll clarify it to "of the plethora of arguments I've heard or been witness to, not a single one of them has a rational basis."
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311 [02:48:11] <whislock> That allows for things I've not heard or been witness to.
312 [02:48:21] <whislock> Since I'm not going to claim omniscience.
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331 [03:05:21] <RustyShackleford> how would you recommend I create a user for a service?
332 [03:06:00] <RustyShackleford> I want to use it to manage permissions for the files it owns, run services under this username, but not be able to login as this user
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334 [03:06:58] <friendofafriend> Add a user. Set its home directory to a directory it owns. Set shell to /bin/false.
335 [03:07:03] <jardiamj> RustyShackleford, sudo useradd -rm USER -G
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337 [03:07:16] <jardiamj> RustyShackleford, sudo useradd -rm USER -G GROUP
338 [03:07:28] <whislock> adduser --system ...
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340 [03:07:42] <RustyShackleford> there seem to be lots of ways to do this ha
341 [03:07:47] <RustyShackleford> replaced-url
342 [03:08:00] <whislock> RustyShackleford: man adduser
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344 [03:08:25] <joepublic> chsh -s /no/thanks myusername
345 [03:08:26] <whislock> RustyShackleford: That command has a build-in mode for system accounts.
346 [03:08:39] <RustyShackleford> I found the section
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348 [03:08:46] <RustyShackleford> sometimes i forget the man pages are right there
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350 [03:09:25] <RustyShackleford> I also see some people set the shell to /usr/sbin/nologin
351 [03:09:34] <RustyShackleford> and other /bin/false
352 [03:09:56] <joepublic> or /sod/off or /havea/niceday
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354 [03:11:11] <whislock> RustyShackleford: I generally advise setting the shell to something that actually exists. /bin/false and /usr/sbin/nologin both actually exist, and simply exit.
355 [03:11:40] <RustyShackleford> does it matter which?
356 [03:11:51] <whislock> /bin/false exits silently.
357 [03:12:02] <whislock> nologin prints "This account is currently not available." and exits.
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359 [03:13:08] <RustyShackleford> should this user also have a group?
360 [03:13:40] <whislock> It should have a group the same as its username, and no one else should be a member of that group.
361 [03:14:05] <RustyShackleford> okey doke
362 [03:14:14] <RustyShackleford> lets see if I can get this command right
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368 [03:18:21] <RustyShackleford> is it odd that uid and gid are different?
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375 [03:22:54] <RustyShackleford> adduser mediaservice --system --group --no-create-home
376 [03:23:10] <RustyShackleford> did I miss anything?
377 [03:24:26] <rant> the switch --group requires an argument
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379 [03:25:06] <RustyShackleford> it errored when I used the same name there
380 [03:25:20] <RustyShackleford> mediaservice❌107:112::/home/mediaservice:/usr/sbin/nologin is the result in /etc/passwd
381 [03:25:28] <RustyShackleford> looks good? or not quite
382 [03:26:42] <cryptodan_mobile> RustyShackleford: that's because 5 things were created that used the group ids up to 111
383 [03:26:46] <rant> ah --group along with --system have special behavior
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386 [03:29:05] <RustyShackleford> cryptodan_mobile: so its expected?
387 [03:29:16] <RustyShackleford> my user account is all good?
388 [03:29:16] <cryptodan_mobile> Yes
389 [03:29:34] <RustyShackleford> sweet. thanks for the help guys
390 [03:29:35] <cryptodan_mobile> Looks good to me
391 [03:30:21] <cryptodan_mobile> RustyShackleford: check /etc/groups to see what was added after gid 107
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394 [03:33:05] <RustyShackleford> don't really understand how to read this file
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396 [03:34:25] <RustyShackleford> it just follows a different counter than uid
397 [03:34:53] <RustyShackleford> there are more groups than users
398 [03:35:12] <RustyShackleford> the reason my user account's uid and gid are the same is because the counter started at 1000 there
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400 [03:36:28] <whislock> There is no requirement that a uid and gid be the same, even for the same name.
401 [03:37:12] <RustyShackleford> I was just wondering why they were different
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420 [03:54:11] <RustyShackleford> do you think these permissions are proper for a service's folder?
421 [03:54:13] <RustyShackleford> drwxr-xr-x 3 mediaservice mediaservice 4.0K Jan 1 20:44 mediaservice/
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423 [03:54:52] <RustyShackleford> should I restrict group and other some more?
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426 [03:56:15] <friendofafriend> RustyShackleford: It depends, but those permissions are probably OK.
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434 [04:02:07] <RustyShackleford> friendofafriend: overthinking this right? lol
435 [04:02:36] <RustyShackleford> its not like I'm configuring a fricken pentagon server
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443 [04:05:45] <friendofafriend> RustyShackleford: If there's no great value in knowing the contents of that folder, then 755 is just fine.
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512 [05:16:32] <uio> Hello! I'm trying to get bluetooth to work on my Debian LXDE machine. rfkill list shows 1: tpacpi_bluetooth_sw: Bluetooth Soft blocked: yes Hard blocked: no . I can't seem to get it unblocked!
513 [05:16:43] <uio> any ideas?
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515 [05:18:13] <Tom-_> hardware?
516 [05:18:22] <uio> ThinkPad X61
517 [05:19:17] <dvs> WiFi button is off?
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519 [05:19:37] <Tom-_> okay i don't know what that information you've shown means yet. are you sure your thinkpad has the bluetooth feature?
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522 [05:21:25] <RustyShackleford> I've already set up my user account for sudo. do you lock the root account?
523 [05:21:36] <dvs> nope
524 [05:21:50] <RustyShackleford> why not?
525 [05:22:30] <dvs> I might need to set up something as root
526 [05:22:43] <dvs> it'd be annoying to type "sudo" over and over again
527 [05:22:46] <whislock> 'sudo -i'
528 [05:23:10] <uio> Tom-_: replaced-url
529 [05:23:25] <uio> So I think there is bluetooth.
530 [05:23:32] <whislock> RustyShackleford: I don't lock the root account, either. Things can happen where I need that account accessible for emergency maintenance.
531 [05:23:58] <RustyShackleford> I'm used to ubuntu so this feels weird
532 [05:24:17] <whislock> I set a password on the root account in Ubuntu.
533 [05:24:23] <RustyShackleford> gross
534 [05:24:37] <RustyShackleford> why would root be available but not a user account with sudo?
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536 [05:25:06] <Tom-_> uio, please give me the output of lsusub via paste.debian.net
537 [05:25:07] <whislock> Because the sudoers line grants access to 'root' but not the named user, potentially?
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540 [05:26:57] <RustyShackleford> do I just remove the password from root?
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543 [05:27:11] <RustyShackleford> how do you go about disabling that account, but not breaking any services
544 [05:27:24] <uio> Tom-_: lsusb?
545 [05:27:33] <whislock> What is your reason for doing so?
546 [05:27:34] <watchcat> sudo isn't even installed on a very minimal install. if root didn't have a login pw you'd be sol.
547 [05:27:40] <dvs> RustyShackleford, put /sbin/nologin in /etc/passwd ?
548 [05:27:59] <Tom-_> uio, it's a command to show usb devices. we'll see if it has a broadcom bluetooth device or no
549 [05:28:11] <uio> replaced-url
550 [05:28:12] <whislock> dvs: Uh, what?
551 [05:28:32] <whislock> RustyShackleford: Do not do what dvs just said, if you want a system that does -anything-.
552 [05:28:49] <RustyShackleford> I would like my system to do things
553 [05:29:08] <RustyShackleford> maybe i'll just leave it alone ha. But it seems more secure to me
554 [05:29:20] <dvs> RustyShackleford, that's the better idea
555 [05:29:23] <whislock> RustyShackleford: It's not.
556 [05:29:41] <whislock> RustyShackleford: sudo vs root having a password is roughly equivalent, security-wise, on a single-user system.
557 [05:29:53] <RustyShackleford> so long as root login is disabled for sshd it should be fine
558 [05:29:57] <whislock> Yes.
559 [05:30:15] <whislock> For sshd, I set PermitRootLogin to 'prohibit-password'.
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561 [05:31:17] <RustyShackleford> I do that as well
562 [05:31:20] <rant> I set it to no, and set UsePam to no
563 [05:31:26] <RustyShackleford> still need to setup sshd
564 [05:31:37] <RustyShackleford> but my server isn't exposed to the internet yet
565 [05:31:57] <RustyShackleford> i got a good amount of stuff done today. Plex works, woo
566 [05:32:27] <whislock> UsePam to 'no' isn't a very good idea. That setting makes requiring a second factor for password login impossible, as well.
567 [05:32:39] <Tom-_> uio, you don't seem to have the broadcom bluetooth card installed replaced-url
568 [05:32:45] <RustyShackleford> I never understood that setting
569 [05:32:45] <rant> I dont allow password logins
570 [05:32:58] <RustyShackleford> is there like a best practices example for sshd?
571 [05:33:01] <whislock> rant: There's a lot more that pam does.
572 [05:33:01] <rant> ever, anywhere, for any reason
573 [05:33:01] <uio> Tom-_: Oh, dear. So I don't have bluetooth?
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575 [05:33:13] <RustyShackleford> this time, i'm saving a copy of key configs to a github repo
576 [05:33:28] <Tom-_> uio, i really don't think so. apparently most X61s don't replaced-url
577 [05:33:35] <rant> yeah, no kidding, which is why I disable it
578 [05:33:41] <uio> Tom-_: Sigh.
579 [05:33:43] <whislock> RustyShackleford: I'd happily discuss it with you in greater detail. Just be aware that much of the security "advice" you're going to receive is... of little worth.
580 [05:33:51] <rant> you either have a key or you dont even get to attempt to login, no other methods available
581 [05:33:54] <Tom-_> there's ~= $20 USB bluetooth keys though, but check for linux compatibility first
582 [05:34:00] <RustyShackleford> whislock: so how do I sift through the BS? lol
583 [05:34:00] <Tom-_> uio, sorry about that
584 [05:34:01] <whislock> rant: Then you've missed the point. pam does more than passwords.
585 [05:34:13] <RustyShackleford> whislock: got a sshd config that you think is most secure?
586 [05:34:14] <rant> no shit I use it for fingerprints too among other things
587 [05:34:15] <uio> Tom-_: So what is all the output about then?
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589 [05:34:25] <rant> you miss the point that I dont want other things to be available
590 [05:34:44] <watchcat> how about on an encrypted udbstick in your pocket?
591 [05:34:47] <Tom-_> uio, well the bluetooth server will apparently still run even if your modules aren't loaded
592 [05:34:55] <whislock> rant: pam doesn't make other login methods available. It does, however, make other security facilities available, that you've now disabled. You obviously have no idea what pam DOES, yet you've turned it off.
593 [05:35:00] <whislock> Hence: Disabling pam is a bad idea.
594 [05:35:25] <uio> Tom-_: Lol. Well, thanks for your help!
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596 [05:35:29] <whislock> RustyShackleford: Learn from the mistakes of others. ;)
597 [05:35:40] <uio> Anyone here on a ThinkPad?
598 [05:35:41] <n4dir> RustyShackleford: i'd say something like: non-default-port, no-root-login, only key-authentication, perhaps add fail2ban.
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600 [05:35:49] <uio> I'm a bit worried about my fan.
601 [05:36:02] <RustyShackleford> n4dir: thats what I usually do, minus default port
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603 [05:36:06] <whislock> Changing your SSH port has zero benefit.
604 [05:36:16] <uio> Just wondering if it's Debian issue, or a decade old ThinkPad issue...
605 [05:36:34] <n4dir> sure it has benefits, but i am not in the mood to discuss that anymore. It has been done often enough.
606 [05:36:51] <whislock> No, it doesn't. Your moods aren't my concern.
607 [05:36:52] <Tom-_> uio, I have two thinkpads running Debian derivatives right now. Debian does not interfere with the fan by default
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609 [05:37:08] <uio> Tom-_: What models do you have?
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611 [05:37:20] <Tom-_> T22, T41 and T420
612 [05:38:41] <uio> What DE do you have on the T22? It's not too slow?
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615 [05:38:55] <Tom-_> it doesn't work anymore
616 [05:39:09] <Tom-_> i blew into the exhaust port and i think my spit killed the mainboard
617 [05:39:12] <uio> Or the T41?
618 [05:39:18] <Tom-_> KNOPPIX 7.2 currently
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620 [05:39:23] <uio> Cool
621 [05:39:28] <rant> whislock: fwiw genius, pam is disabled by default and with it enabled sshd must be run as root
622 [05:39:37] <uio> and the T420 is your main machine? What DE?
623 [05:39:46] <Tom-_> LMDE 2 MATE 64-bit
624 [05:40:20] <Tom-_> My T41 doesn't have bluetooth either... that's part of how i know
625 [05:40:34] <uio> Tom-_: What year is it?
626 [05:40:51] <watchcat> Tom-_: question... does lmde use debian repos?
627 [05:42:36] <Tom-_> uio, 2011 i guess... man this is a lot older than i thought
628 [05:42:51] <Tom-_> watchcat, yes, and also Mint repos
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631 [05:43:32] <watchcat> Tom-_: mkay, thanks.
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638 [05:46:32] <uio> In psensor I see two fans, but while fan1 is at 3350 Tr/mn, Fan2 is at 0. Is a fan broken?
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660 [06:09:12] <RustyShackleford> when update-initramfs runs, I get the following warning:
661 [06:09:13] <RustyShackleford> W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8107e-2.fw for module r8169
662 [06:09:35] <RustyShackleford> how serious is this? should I install the nonfree package?
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666 [06:13:38] <themill> RustyShackleford: it means that one of your ethernet/wifi/bluetooth adaptors uses the r8169 driver and that driver *can* load that firmware. Whether it needs it or not is not known.
667 [06:13:58] <RustyShackleford> it seems to work with or without
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699 [06:39:18] <RustyShackleford> replaced-url
700 [06:39:37] <RustyShackleford> which lines need to be changed in sources.list to use this package?
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702 [06:40:43] <Penix> deb <mirror> buster <foo> non-free
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704 [06:41:33] <Penix> iow, add non-free to any existing buster-specific line
705 [06:41:54] <RustyShackleford> do I want that if I only need one non-free package?
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707 [06:42:16] <Penix> if you want to install with apt, and have it handle any dependencies, yes
708 [06:42:21] <Penix> otherwise, install manually with dpkg
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712 [06:44:05] <RustyShackleford> apt pinning seems to be a thing
713 [06:44:17] <RustyShackleford> if I want only one package that comes from non-free
714 [06:45:48] <Penix> good chance you might not even need that firmware...
715 [06:46:28] <whislock> RustyShackleford: Are you running buster otherwise?
716 [06:46:34] <Penix> hmm, nevermind. covers non-wired
717 [06:46:49] <RustyShackleford> whislock: yep
718 [06:47:11] <whislock> Okay, just making sure we're not mixing releases, here.
719 [06:47:31] <RustyShackleford> was my link correct? good question
720 [06:48:11] <RustyShackleford> okay yeah, that was on purpose
721 [06:48:22] <Penix> the link you posted won't be what you want for sources.list
722 [06:49:07] <RustyShackleford> is there a good way to allow this package (and dependencies) from non-free, but nothing else?
723 [06:49:16] <RustyShackleford> I don't think there are dependencies
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822 [08:16:42] <nidhoegger> is it possible to use the amdgpu-pro driver on debian?
823 [08:17:44] <l9> happy new years all :)
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825 [08:17:51] <nidhoegger> happy new year l9
826 [08:20:46] <at0m> nidhoegger: no returns for apt search amdgpu-pro on either stable or testing/sid
827 [08:21:08] <nidhoegger> of course not
828 [08:21:13] <nidhoegger> officially its only ubuntu and RHEL
829 [08:21:17] <at0m> from there, idk
830 [08:21:30] <nidhoegger> thats why I ask if there is a way to get it to work on debian :)
831 [08:21:41] <nidhoegger> id like to have freesync :(
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848 [08:41:40] <SerajewelKS> nidhoegger: if the ubuntu release is available as a .deb then you could install it and see what happens, though obviously this is unsupported and could cause problems
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877 [09:07:25] <Kremator> nidhoegger, also checkout the anufacturer website to see if maybe they have a release for debian
878 [09:07:47] <Kremator> AMD .deb's are mostly compatible with debain aswell
879 [09:07:58] <Kremator> gl
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881 [09:08:32] <kirk781> .deb is build for Debian installations. ALL .debs should be installable in DEbian
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885 [09:09:45] <Kremator> kirk781, well i wouldnt be so sure, MEGASync .deb releases for ubuntu doesnt install correctly on debian because dependencies (although they do offer separate debain releases aswell so no need to do fuckery)
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911 [09:27:54] <natinaum> Is unattended-upgrade a new thing?
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919 [09:33:29] <Penix> dpkg: unattended-upgrades
920 [09:33:29] <dpkg> somebody said unattended-upgrades was a package for installing security upgrades automatically, unattended. See replaced-url
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927 [09:37:15] <koleygr> natinaum here: replaced-url
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930 [09:40:04] <natinaum> Just seen it after installation didnt work :) thx
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942 [09:46:59] <koleygr> natinaum ... it is default only for gnome as fas ar I read
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955 [09:59:52] <Enissay> How can I install "tree" on a remote server which has no internet access (I don't have physical access either but I can exchange files from my laptop) ?
956 [10:00:23] <natinaum> Dpkg?
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958 [10:01:34] <natinaum> you have any access? On what part of the server filesystem could you do stuff?
959 [10:02:33] <natinaum> Maybe you could add a startup slingshot service which installes the package for you?
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961 [10:03:45] <Enissay> natinaum: so I need to download the pkg and upload it ? from where can I get it ?
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963 [10:04:23] <Enissay> I've seen many solutions involving use of usb key which cannot be used in my case :x
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965 [10:04:36] <natinaum> With apt-get (dont know the Argument for it, but you could find it with man)
966 [10:04:51] <natinaum> Or you download it from the debian package site
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968 [10:05:27] <natinaum> In which way do you have acces?
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970 [10:05:33] <natinaum> Access*
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972 [10:06:13] <csanyipal> Hi,
973 [10:06:37] <natinaum> Hi
974 [10:07:49] <csanyipal> I am on virtual console - namely no X Window system here. I am using Midnight Commander and have difficulties. The Esc and Left Alt keys does not work in MC.
975 [10:08:02] <csanyipal> How can I solve this problem?
976 [10:08:13] <csanyipal> This is Debian Etch on an old laptop here.
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979 [10:08:51] <csanyipal> Is this the right place to ask this?
980 [10:08:57] <natinaum> If you have a shell and can transfer the file on your server, you just can do 'dpkg -i <filename>
981 [10:09:00] <natinaum> '
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983 [10:10:22] <natinaum> >>[10:08] csanyipal: Is this the right place to ask this?
984 [10:10:22] <natinaum> Why not? :)
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986 [10:10:48] <csanyipal> natinaum: I think so too.
987 [10:11:46] <natinaum> Did dpkg do the trick or is it more complicated? You're not that advanced in linux?
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992 [10:15:05] <csanyipal> natinaum: How is connected the 'dpkg -i filename>' command with my problem in MC?
993 [10:15:53] <natinaum> In no way :) was about your try to install a package without inet.
994 [10:16:59] <csanyipal> natinaum: I did not ask such a question.
995 [10:17:28] <natinaum> Wrong person
996 [10:17:34] <natinaum> Sry, mixed it up
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998 [10:17:52] <natinaum> Startx
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1001 [10:19:33] <natinaum> Maybe help
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1006 [10:22:19] <natinaum> Enissay: I ment you with the dpkg thing csanyipal: you tried startx? I think there is a way to change the shortcuts or remap the keyboard so you have a alt key, but i think you must google this one or hope someone else will answer
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1016 [10:31:47] <csanyipal> Bye!
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1049 [10:48:43] <S3xyL1nux> and then sauvin kicked me out
1050 [10:49:06] <natinaum> ?
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1052 [10:49:34] <nidhoegger> orly?
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1054 [10:50:24] <S3xyL1nux> leally
1055 [10:50:31] <natinaum> Excuse me, what the fuck?
1056 [10:50:40] <nidhoegger> what natinaum said
1057 [10:50:59] <rgr> how to query exports and xset values from a gui tool where I dont need to launch a terminal (which affects these values) I am trying to see my gdm desktop values for these things to check the correct startup files values are exposed.
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1060 [10:51:28] <nidhoegger> rgr, check its PID and look at /proc/environ
1061 [10:51:38] <natinaum> Pls use this stuff: . , Etc. Thanks
1062 [10:51:41] <nidhoegger> sorry: /proc/<pid>/environ
1063 [10:51:50] <S3xyL1nux> the fuck is "sauvin is a handicaped retart person"
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1065 [10:52:09] <nidhoegger> the environ file entries are null terminated, for a good output do: "cat /proc/<pid>/environ | tr '\0' '\n'"
1066 [10:52:12] <rgr> nidhoegger: in a file manager? How will that give me xset values?
1067 [10:52:22] <natinaum> Who tf is sauvin?
1068 [10:52:26] <nidhoegger> oh shit, misunderstood you, sorry
1069 [10:52:28] <rgr> (my dpms values are all 0)
1070 [10:53:02] <rgr> I KNOW xsessionrc was sourced (touch ~(.dotsourced) and I set dpms in there but when I xset q in a terminal they are all 0
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1075 [10:53:30] <rgr> if I source .xsessionrc in that terminal they are then correct indicating the xset line works fine ( I know it does)
1076 [10:53:50] <jelly> S3xyL1nux, this isn't ##linux-ops, dude. Keep this channel for debian tech support.
1077 [10:53:59] <nidhoegger> rgr can you somehow call "xset q" and echo it to a file? maybe from another tty when specifying the display?
1078 [10:55:41] <rgr> or to put this another way why so neither .profile or .xsessinrc expose their xse dpms values which are then inherited when I open a terminal to check them?
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1080 [10:55:50] <rgr> xset dpms
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1082 [10:56:45] <nidhoegger> hmmm...
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1090 [11:01:11] <Tamarraiyt3> sauvin is a handicaped retart person
1091 [11:01:32] <nidhoegger> what the fuck? what do you guys want to achive in a debian support channel?
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1103 [11:03:09] <jelly> it's the same person
1104 [11:03:23] <nidhoegger> oh man... *rolleyes*
1105 [11:03:26] <nidhoegger> children
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1175 [11:46:58] <shtrb> Anyone which have a working CUDA envoirment can say if replaced-url
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1184 [11:56:21] <tarzeau> shtrb: i'm using nvidia repo and installing cuda-10-0 that's all
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1190 [11:59:33] <annadane> when running debsums what does it mean when the output is "changed file"?
1191 [11:59:34] <shtrb> tarzeau, is that because you needed a newer version of cuda (debian only have 9.1 or the lack of samples) or you didn't have an other option ?
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1197 [12:00:01] <shtrb> annadane, you had modified it or you didn't update your apt
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1200 [12:00:48] <jelly> annadane, it means you or someone or something else changed the file
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1202 [12:01:21] <jelly> tarzeau, nvidia has a repo with deb packages now?
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1210 [12:11:06] <tarzeau> jelly: nope, i'm using ubuntu repo of nvidia
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1212 [12:11:25] <shtrb> to avoid an x/y question - I have installed as in replaced-url
1213 [12:11:36] <tarzeau> shtrb: we're using it with tensorflow mainly (need be built from source, need bazel, also not in repo)
1214 [12:12:00] <shtrb> So It might be that I'm missing something to be installed (extra step)
1215 [12:12:10] <shtrb> tarzeau, thanks
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1289 [13:01:48] <kyych> hello, is there any way to see oldest messages when connecting to irc channel using irssi?
1290 [13:02:34] <SwedeMike> kyych: the irc server doesn't store messages, so there is no history.
1291 [13:03:04] <kirk781> kyych, only local logs are stored.
1292 [13:03:32] <kirk781> You could connect via a bouncer which is permanently connected to a channel; and as long as you're connected, logs are availablwe
1293 [13:03:46] <SwedeMike> kyych: if you're already connected using irssi and want to see what has happened since you were last in that channel window, you can use replaced-url
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1295 [13:04:23] <kyych> thanks :)
1296 [13:04:23] <annadane> !irclog
1297 [13:04:23] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at replaced-url
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1306 [13:05:58] <danielboston26> Am I correct that Debian does not have fido2 support?
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1315 [13:08:17] <danielboston26> Hi eLuxZen
1316 [13:08:28] <danielboston26> Hi inaki
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1319 [13:09:11] <eLuxZen> Hi @Danielboston26
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1321 [13:10:23] <danielboston26> eLuxZen: do you know if Debian has support for fido2? I’m fussing not
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1323 [13:11:27] <annadane> asking specific people is generally a bad idea - just ask your question and wait
1324 [13:11:59] <eLuxZen> danielboston26: I believe they do, but don´t know the way it has to be implemented i
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1326 [13:12:35] <danielboston26> It looks like you have to install a python library
1327 [13:13:02] <danielboston26> Was just wondering if that is still required?
1328 [13:13:03] <eLuxZen> annadane: I agree, you can ask a person with no knowledge on the subject as danielboston26: question to me proved :-)
1329 [13:13:24] <danielboston26> :p well I figured you just joined
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1332 [13:13:30] <danielboston26> So your awake
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1334 [13:14:33] <danielboston26> Yeah it looks like you need to install this library
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1361 [13:27:30] <annadane> danielboston26, anyway, sorry if possibly rude, didn't intend to be
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1394 [13:42:22] <OursBlanc> i'm looking for documentation about battery management and power sawing on debian
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1397 [13:43:44] <natinaum> replaced-url
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1402 [13:44:50] <cybrNaut> let's not promote DDG. DDG is a privacy abuser masquerading as privacy champion
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1405 [13:45:17] <annadane> uh... huh.
1406 [13:45:20] <annadane> depends who you ask
1407 [13:45:59] <annadane> OursBlanc, generally or do you have a specific question?
1408 [13:46:06] <natinaum> Then use startpage or bing or whatever you want ...
1409 [13:46:16] <natinaum> What's your problem with ddg?
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1411 [13:46:26] <shtrb> cybrNaut, please share
1412 [13:46:36] <annadane> share in #debian-offtopic, though.
1413 [13:46:36] <OursBlanc> its specific about a yunohost instance on a olimex lime2
1414 [13:46:42] <OursBlanc> i'm looking for information annadane
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1416 [13:47:04] <OursBlanc> and on yunohost chan for the moment nobody answer so ... i prefer looking for by myself :D
1417 [13:47:15] <annadane> be as precise as you can and if anyone knows they'll answer, or try the mailing list @ debian-user@lists.debian.org, if no one here knows
1418 [13:47:56] <natinaum> cybrNaut: Then answer on offtopic
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1420 [13:48:35] <cybrNaut> see you in #debian-offtopic
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1434 [13:55:43] <OursBlanc> annadane, thanks a lot
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1440 [14:00:06] <OursBlanc> i'm looking for information about battery on a yunohost instance running on olimex lime 2. I wish to put kind of rule like "if battery < 15% so shutown properly"
1441 [14:00:10] <OursBlanc> or something like that
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1445 [14:00:38] * abrotman looks for Debian in that question ..
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1469 [14:11:16] <KNUBBIG> Hi! I'm trying to shrink my /dev/md2 and grow my /dev/md3 RAID-1 (within a SSH session, got a rescue system running). So far I've only been able to resize /dev/md2 but not grow /dev/md3, as the underlying /dev/sd[a,b] partitions don't get resized. Anyone that can point me in the right direction? Thanks!
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1472 [14:12:39] <rudi_s> KNUBBIG: How does your setup look like? Multiple disks with each one partition for md2 and one for md3?
1473 [14:13:00] <rudi_s> So something like sda1, sdb1 for md2 and sda2, sdb2 for md3?
1474 [14:13:09] <KNUBBIG> rudi_s: yea, two disks with sd[a,b]1-4 each
1475 [14:13:26] <KNUBBIG> i have sda4 and sdb4 for md3 and sd3 for md2
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1478 [14:13:59] <rudi_s> KNUBBIG: That won't be straight forward. You'll have to manually change the partitions and move (= copy) the data!
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1480 [14:14:29] <rudi_s> If you insist on raw md RAID that is.
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1482 [14:14:52] <KNUBBIG> rudi_s: okay I guessed so. Would it be easier if I could delete md3 (I can, it's a fresh setup with nothing in /home on which md3 is mounted)?
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1485 [14:15:18] <rudi_s> KNUBBIG: The problem is that the data on the disk won't move when you change the partitions size. So at the moment you have (on each disk): data for md2, gap, data for md3; you'll have to fill that gap with data of md3 (by "moving" md3).
1486 [14:15:53] <rudi_s> A simpler approach would be to use LVM which permits using non-contigious physical volumes.
1487 [14:16:00] <kirillkh> I'm trying to configure a bridge with systemd. I want an equivalent of the following: replaced-url
1488 [14:16:09] <KNUBBIG> rudi_s: ok and if I shrank (?) md2, reduced sd*3's size, deleted and recreated sd*4 and md3?
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1491 [14:16:42] <KNUBBIG> Problem is the volumes are automatically set up by the hoster (I know, don't like it either)
1492 [14:16:51] <rudi_s> KNUBBIG: Yes. If md3 holds no data you care about, then yes, deleting it and resizing (recreating with different size) the partitions is the easiest way.
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1495 [14:17:10] <KNUBBIG> rudi_s: ok I'll try to figure out how to do that, thanks :)
1496 [14:17:14] <rudi_s> KNUBBIG: Yeah, that should work fine. Shrinking is not an issue.
1497 [14:17:30] <rudi_s> *But you have to shrink the RAID first, then the paritions.
1498 [14:17:44] <rudi_s> If you have issues during the process, just ask ;-)
1499 [14:17:55] <KNUBBIG> yea I tried it the other way round before I noticed that killed things lol
1500 [14:17:56] <KNUBBIG> thanks :)
1501 [14:18:02] <rudi_s> ;-)
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1518 [14:32:07] <kirillkh> in systemd service, how do you specify dependency on wpa_supplicant@wlan0 being up?
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1520 [14:34:02] <rudi_s> kirillkh: Wants= and After=
1521 [14:34:16] <rudi_s> If there is a proper wpa_supplicant@wlan0 service.
1522 [14:34:54] <turtlehat> does it specifically have to be wlan0 or will any network access do?
1523 [14:35:02] <turtlehat> After=network.target
1524 [14:35:14] <kirillkh> turtlehat: has to be wlan0 initialized by wpa_supplicant
1525 [14:35:34] <rudi_s> One possible issue with wpa_supplicant is that I don't know if the service properly reports the state.
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1528 [14:37:30] <kirillkh> I will try
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1543 [14:44:07] <kirillkh> rudi_s: /etc/systemd/system/create-bridge.service:3: Failed to add dependency on wpa_supplicant@wlan0, ignoring: Invalid argument
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1545 [14:44:25] <rudi_s> kirillkh: .service is necessary I think.
1546 [14:45:05] <KNUBBIG> rudi_s: delete /dev/md3, remove sda3 from md2, delete sda4, increase sda3, re-add sda3 to md2, sync and then continue with sdb is correct, right?
1547 [14:45:51] <kirillkh> rudi_s: well, that did something, but now I have a new problem. vmbr0: Could not find udev device: No such device
1548 [14:46:28] <turtlehat> could modify the wpa_supplicant service to include a ExecStartPost, although thats a bit hacky
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1550 [14:47:02] <rudi_s> KNUBBIG: I think you must resize (= shrink) md2 first. And there should be no need to remove sda3 or sdb3 from it. Just shrink it, disable it, then adapt its partitions and start it again.
1551 [14:47:21] <kirillkh> rudi_s: replaced-url
1552 [14:47:32] <KNUBBIG> oh ok that's a lot quicker. Thanks
1553 [14:47:54] <kirillkh> rudi_s: oops, that paste was the old version, I added .service in "Requires" and "After"
1554 [14:48:03] <rudi_s> KNUBBIG: But of course first shrink possible partitions which use md2 or they will break after the resize.
1555 [14:48:46] <rudi_s> kirillkh: Does vmbr0 exist? Why do you delete it?
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1558 [14:49:56] <rudi_s> KNUBBIG: Something like remove md3, remove its partitions; shrink partitions/PVs/etc. using md2 (if any), shrink md2 (via mdadm command), disable md2, resizes its partitions, re-enable it, create new partitions for md3, create it.
1559 [14:50:26] <KNUBBIG> rudi_s: thanks!
1560 [14:50:32] <kirillkh> rudi_s: I'm tired of trying to configure systemd "the right way", so I'm trying to cut some corners here. if I comment out the two lines that bring the device down and delete it, I get: "systemd-networkd[10260]: vmbr0: netdev exists, using existing without changing its parameters"
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1562 [14:51:03] <shtrb> networkd is enabled by default ?
1563 [14:51:06] <rudi_s> KNUBBIG: np
1564 [14:51:28] <rudi_s> kirillkh: Why do you use networkd? Just use /etc/network/interfaces if you don't want to work with systemd-networkd.
1565 [14:51:41] <rudi_s> (Personally I haven't looked at networkd and use interfaces for all my machines.)
1566 [14:52:08] <kirillkh> rudi_s: I was brought down on this path by a guy on this channel yesterday night when I asked how to create the bridge after wpa_supplicant brings wlan0 up
1567 [14:52:25] <kirillkh> I kinda regret it at this point
1568 [14:52:44] <kirillkh> oh sorry, it was on #linux
1569 [14:53:31] <kirillkh> it seems like I'm really close, just missing something little...
1570 [14:53:33] <rudi_s> kirillkh: Ah, yeah. Ordering is more difficult with interfaces. But you can could create the bridge and then later add the interface.
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1572 [14:54:01] <rudi_s> Anyway, what is the current issue?
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1582 [14:58:47] <kirillkh> rudi_s: well, hmm, I uncommented the two lines that delete the bridge as they were, but now it also says "vmbr0: netdev exists, using existing without changing its parameters"
1583 [14:58:56] <velix> Interesting. I'm doing "apt update" and suddenly packages should be installed, which have not been installed before. Can I figure out, which packages goes amok here?
1584 [14:59:41] <rudi_s> kirillkh: What happens if you perform all the steps manually? Does it work properly?
1585 [15:00:15] <rudi_s> velix: No updates? Just new packages?
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1587 [15:00:50] <velix> rudi_s: Yeah. Much xserver stuff, libgl1-mesa..., i965-va-driver ...
1588 [15:01:03] <velix> It's a headless kvm server
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1592 [15:02:15] <rudi_s> Hm, that's weird. I don't know how to mark a package to install via APT without installing it (which would explain the effect you're seeing).
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1594 [15:02:51] <velix> oh, two packages WILL get updates. Perhaps one update has bad/new dependencies?
1595 [15:02:56] <themill> velix: can we see the command and full output in a pastebin?
1596 [15:03:05] <velix> themill: mmmh. nooooooooo :-)
1597 [15:03:06] <themill> (apt update won't try to install anything)
1598 [15:03:08] <velix> themill: sure, 1 sec
1599 [15:03:42] <velix> Oh God, I am stupid. I wanted to type "apt upgrade"!
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1602 [15:04:00] <velix> upgrade of course, NOT update
1603 [15:04:11] <velix> replaced-url
1604 [15:04:31] <velix> I think, firejail is going amok here...
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1606 [15:05:28] <velix> Yes. That seems to be the problem: replaced-url
1607 [15:05:40] <velix> The packages has way too many dependencies again.
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1609 [15:06:08] <themill> velix: what are you upgrading from and too?
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1612 [15:06:28] <velix> themill: standard apt update, apt upgrade once a week
1613 [15:06:40] <themill> in which release?
1614 [15:06:43] <velix> themill: 9
1615 [15:06:47] <velix> themill: Stretch
1616 [15:07:00] <themill> the output of "apt-cache policy firejail; apt-cache policy" might be helpful
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1618 [15:07:47] <velix> themill: Yes, Debian's packaging of firejail made the error. It's way too demanding. It doesn't need X and stuff at all.
1619 [15:07:59] <themill> it doesn't depend on it iether
1620 [15:08:16] <velix> themill: I've just purged firejail from my system and all the packages are gone.
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1622 [15:08:37] <velix> themill: I had such a problem once with GIS stuff for postgresql. It wanted to pull ffmpeg and others. It was a bug for about 1 year.
1623 [15:08:58] <themill> there isn't an updated package for firejail available
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1625 [15:09:24] <velix> themill: I've installed the new DEB from the developer's website and didn't mark it as hold.
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1627 [15:09:33] <themill> so either this isn't a weekly update or you're not running debian...
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1630 [15:09:47] <velix> themill: So apt update wanted to update it to Debian's version and pull all the packages needed.
1631 [15:09:56] <velix> themill: 100,00001% Debian Stretch ;)
1632 [15:10:22] <velix> Thanks for help to all. Normal Debian madness :D
1633 [15:10:42] <velix> I've just marked firejail as "hold" and I'm fine.
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1637 [15:10:57] <themill> Might be worth learning to drive apt.
1638 [15:11:19] <themill> --no-install-recommends is what you wanted.
1639 [15:11:39] <velix> themill: That's _very_ bad, since this will be applied to all other packages, which need to be updated.
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1641 [15:11:49] <velix> themill: --no-install-suggests helps a lot often, too.
1642 [15:11:58] <themill> that's already the default
1643 [15:12:08] <themill> and you can update the packages one at a time
1644 [15:12:24] <velix> themill: Yeah, but I didn't know, which package made the trouble.
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1646 [15:12:46] <themill> except you did, it was a choice of 4 and you knew it was firejail.
1647 [15:13:12] <velix> themill: Yeah, since this is the only one, who could interact with a GUI directly :D
1648 [15:13:37] <velix> themill: Thanks again for help
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1666 [15:20:57] <KNUBBIG> rudi_s: thanks, it worked :)
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1674 [15:22:25] <kirillkh> rudi_s: I suppose my problems are caused by the systemd files that define the bridge...
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1677 [15:22:57] <kirillkh> rudi_s: I would remove them if I knew how to configure the bridge fully with commands
1678 [15:23:40] <kirillkh> rudi_s: namely, configure ip address and gateway
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1721 [15:48:25] <kirillkh> rudi_s: nvm, I made it work
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1774 [16:19:44] <rudi_s> ;-)
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1942 [17:52:18] <bbugyi201> Hello all. I'm brand new to Debian. In fact, I haven't even installed it yet (I plan to install Buster on my new laptop once it arrives). I was wondering, why does Debian have multiple testing branches? And where do these branches (currently Bullseye and Bookworm) fall in the release strategy (i.e. when are packages released on Bookworm and Bullseye compared to Buster)?
1943 [17:52:44] <greycat> !bookworm
1944 [17:52:44] <dpkg> The release following Debian 11 "Bullseye" is codenamed "Bookworm" and will be Debian 12. replaced-url
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1946 [17:53:03] <greycat> Those are future release code names. Nothing currently.
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1949 [17:53:12] <kirk781> bbugyi201, Debian Stable is err, meant to be rock solid. It only has the tested[often old] versions of software
1950 [17:53:34] <kirk781> Debian Testing generally correspond to a more updated system but it obviously less stable
1951 [17:53:40] <bbugyi201> greycat: Ahh OK. So I couldn't install Bullseye now even if I wanted to right?
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1953 [17:53:47] <greycat> It doesn't exist yet.
1954 [17:54:03] <bbugyi201> greycat: Got it. I understand. Thanks for your help.
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1956 [17:55:05] <itguys> That's cool. I didn't realize that the next couple of codenames were figured out already.
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1958 [17:55:39] <kirk781> Aren't all Debian released named after Toy Story characters/
1959 [17:55:45] <itguys> kirk781: Yep
1960 [17:56:18] <kirk781> Better than UBuntu's naming conventions
1961 [17:56:23] <kirk781> Trusty Tahr
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1963 [17:56:46] <jhutchins_wk> bbugyi201: We would receommend that you avoid installing the testing release until you're familiar with how Debian does things in stable.
1964 [17:57:10] <EdePopede> +1, but still a problem for me. names with barely any meaning.
1965 [17:57:15] <jhutchins_wk> bbugyi201: Testing is meant to be broken occasionally, and doesn't receive security patches as promptly as sstable.
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1967 [17:58:00] <itguys> jhutchins_wk: Testing will be pretty stable a few weeks after it's frozen, but I agree. It shouldn't be used if stability is paramount.
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1970 [17:58:55] <shtrb> So Duvean is just Forky ?
1971 [17:59:19] <shtrb> *Devuan
1972 [17:59:21] <greycat> Devuan is a different operating system, based on Debian, not supported here.
1973 [17:59:28] <bbugyi201> itguys jhutchins_wk: Yeah. I was going to use the stable branch but since Buster will be frozen in March and stable in the Summer, I'm willing to take the risk.
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1976 [17:59:54] <shtrb> greycat, it was joke based on Debian's code names (Forky is a Toy Story character)
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1983 [18:00:27] <bbugyi201> On a related note, when Buster does go stable, do I have to do anything to ensure that I stay on Buster? Or will I remain on Buster automatically once it goes stable (I'm assuming this is the case)?
1984 [18:01:02] <itguys> bbugyi201: Depends on how you go to testing. If you change your sources.list to "buster", it'll stay on Buster. If you change it to "testing", it'll go to bullseye once testing is unfrozen.
1985 [18:01:07] <joepublic> the file that determines what version of debian you are on is /etc/apt/sources.list (the file is well-documented)
1986 [18:01:11] <shtrb> bbugyi201, if you have buster in sources or not
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1988 [18:01:57] <bbugyi201> itguys joepublic shtrb: Got it. Thanks.
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1990 [18:03:18] <jelly> kirk781, disco dingo!
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1994 [18:03:50] <TheLemonMan> let's say there's a small package that's not been updated for a while, is there any way to "gently push" to have it updated before the freeze ends?
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1997 [18:04:09] <shtrb> pizza to the DD
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1999 [18:04:19] <kirk781> jelly, It's a weird name to be sure
2000 [18:04:21] <greycat> TheLemonMan: bug report, "wishlist" priority
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2120 [19:15:11] <nugax-dev> Morning Debian people
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2161 [19:37:17] <emdk> Happy New Year!!! I need your help though. I'm trying to search a file folder structure for any folder that DOESN'T contain a *.bak file that's been modified in the last 2 - 3 days. `find $dir -mtime -1 -type f -name "*.bak" -printf %p` Creates a list of *.bak files modified in the last 2 days and prints the path information. However, I can't negate i
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2163 [19:38:00] <emdk> Can't use `type -d` with `-name` parameter either it would seem
2164 [19:38:44] <greycat> Parsing issue with the sentence: are you searching for a directory (not containing *.bak) (with directory mtime blah) or a directory not containing (*.bak with file mtime blah)
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2166 [19:40:39] <emdk> Searching for folders that don't have *.bak with a mtime of 2 days
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2168 [19:41:10] <emdk> I.G. - Backup files produced by an external system
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2171 [19:42:07] <greycat> So the mtime constraint is on the FILE not on the DIRECTORY?
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2174 [19:46:12] <emdk> I could infact look at the mtime of the folder instead of the file....I didn't go deep enough into the folder structure
2175 [19:46:26] <emdk> Possible I-D-10-T error
2176 [19:46:29] <greycat> I am just trying to figure out what the question SAYS.
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2180 [19:47:59] <emdk> find $dir -type d not -mtime -1
2181 [19:48:14] <emdk> That produces a list of folders NOT mtime'd within 2 days
2182 [19:48:30] <greycat> ...
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2184 [19:48:47] <greycat> I give up. It's been 10 minutes and I still don't know what the question said and now you're changing your mind.
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2186 [19:49:25] <emdk> I'm sorry
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2192 [19:52:47] <knstn> Oh boy, those leaks about Ryzen 3 if they are real, Intel is done!
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2196 [19:55:21] <greycat> 13:55 Ignoring MSGS from emdk
2197 [19:55:30] <greycat> If you want to ask the question, ask it in public.
2198 [19:55:59] <SerajewelKS> !private
2199 [19:55:59] <dpkg> NO, we will NOT help you in private! Ask your question in the channel so that others can help. Don't send private messages to people asking for help, either, or you will be /ignore'd.
2200 [19:55:59] <greycat> All I can say at this point is that it SHOULD NOT take 15 minutes for you to answer "did you mean A, or B?"
2201 [19:56:01] <SerajewelKS> emdk: ^
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2210 [19:59:33] <emdk> Wow, ok...ya know what, never time. I'm good...
2211 [19:59:38] <emdk> mind*
2212 [19:59:45] <emdk> Thanks anyway
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2237 [20:06:41] <dx_ob> can anyone tell me which package contains the rar and unrar execs?
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2240 [20:07:03] <dx_ob> cant seem to find them
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2243 [20:07:38] <PaddyF> dx_ob: dpkg -S or apt-file search
2244 [20:07:51] <dx_ob> great
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2246 [20:08:16] <greycat> ,file bin/rar
2247 [20:08:22] <judd> Search for bin/rar in stretch/amd64: rar: usr/bin/rar
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2249 [20:09:26] <noodlepie> I'm learning the joys of "app-offline" to update an offline Debian PC
2250 [20:09:29] <noodlepie> box
2251 [20:10:04] <noodlepie> It's good, but needs Debian on both sides (I'm using Android UserLAnd on my mobile for this)
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2256 [20:11:35] <rwp> apt-offline is one of the lessor known utilities that is perfect for the use case. Just that few people really keep offline systems.
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2258 [20:12:11] <dx_ob> well tht didnt answer my question
2259 [20:12:38] <dx_ob> i tried apt-cache search rar but it displays a long list without the package i want
2260 [20:12:52] <SerajewelKS> dx_ob: he said apt-file not apt-cache
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2262 [20:12:57] <SerajewelKS> see also pdo
2263 [20:12:58] <SerajewelKS> !pdo
2264 [20:12:58] <dpkg> replaced-url
2265 [20:13:24] <PaddyF> but use the 2nd edit box for "file" not "package" search
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2268 [20:15:06] <karlpinc> dx_ob: IIRC rar is in non-free, so you have to have that enabled and do a "apt update" to refresh the packages.
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2270 [20:15:18] <PaddyF> karlpinc: +1
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2279 [20:20:57] <rwp> rar and unrar are non-free. unrar-free is free.
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2287 [20:22:49] <noodlepie> rar is gypsy-compression, us xz! :P
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2289 [20:22:56] <noodlepie> 7zip also looks fun!
2290 [20:24:25] <annadane> tar -abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
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2292 [20:24:46] <dvs> annadane, you forgot the capitals!
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2295 [20:25:54] <joepublic> may I recommend dtrx to anyone who can't remember the exact string of letters, eye of newt, ear of toad, etc. to decompress arbitrary archive. "dtrx" stands for "do the right extraction"
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2297 [20:26:29] <dx_ob> no
2298 [20:26:41] <joepublic> Very well. thanks for considering it.
2299 [20:26:45] <dx_ob> ill just uncomppress it online
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2301 [20:27:22] <nkuttler> install unp if too lazy to rtfm or don't care which compressed malware you downloaded where
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2303 [20:27:31] <Bjornn> anyone recommend a weather app for the taskbar?
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2307 [20:27:53] <rwp> Personally my favorite archival compressor is "clzip". It has the best data recovery potential if there is trouble.
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2312 [20:28:29] <annadane> i've only ever used xfce's weather plugin thing which goes on the xfce panels
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2314 [20:28:41] <annadane> i assume "taskbar" is agnostic, like tint2
2315 [20:28:47] <annadane> in which case i don't know
2316 [20:29:12] <joepublic> I have a complex set of local scripts that generate and update a custom conky desktop window with my 36-hour forecast and any alerts, warnings, and watches.
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2320 [20:29:48] <nkuttler> i only care about the weather when i leave the house, and just check my phone then
2321 [20:29:54] <dx_ob> my conky setup isnt tht fancy
2322 [20:30:04] <EdePopede> nkuttler: no second opinion?
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2324 [20:30:13] <nkuttler> EdePopede: on what?
2325 [20:30:18] <EdePopede> the weather
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2327 [20:30:36] <nkuttler> well, find what you want. a service that either ouputs text, or an image, then see how you can get *that* into your taskbar..
2328 [20:30:37] <EdePopede> one should never trust one source only ;)
2329 [20:30:39] <joepublic> I have 3 primary monitors in this workstation setup; the 4th monitor is literally just for conkys and is filled with them
2330 [20:31:04] <EdePopede> but just to add another player to the field: wttr.in
2331 [20:31:15] <nkuttler> currently down
2332 [20:31:29] <EdePopede> works here
2333 [20:31:29] <nkuttler> actually.. not with another city. wtf..
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2337 [20:31:52] <EdePopede> i've seen this before. down, not down, down, not down. just like amy's pregnancy
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2339 [20:31:57] <nkuttler> but that won't fit in a taskbar
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2341 [20:32:12] <nkuttler> EdePopede: interesting
2342 [20:32:16] <EdePopede> nkuttler: http options. like ?0
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2344 [20:32:43] <nkuttler> EdePopede: at that point i think i'd rather just query an api
2345 [20:32:46] <EdePopede> help available with :help in the url. i like it how this thing is designed.
2346 [20:32:59] <nkuttler> i've actually written a taskbar widget in python that gets api data and outputs it
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2350 [20:33:28] <EdePopede> how is it about free access, api keys and limits?
2351 [20:33:43] <nkuttler> that api is just open
2352 [20:33:44] <joepublic> there's a fine line between "API" and "screenscrape"
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2354 [20:34:27] <EdePopede> there used to be another site like wttr.in, was graphics, bit still nice and clean. went out of business when the api provider changed its policy. afaik the old xfce api had the same problem one day
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2356 [20:34:36] <csanyipal> Hi,
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2358 [20:35:08] <joepublic> every weather taskbar app I have ever tried under any free operating system has suffered from the "the API disappeared or told us to go away" problem
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2361 [20:36:12] <csanyipal> I am running Debian Lenny on an old laptop. I want to dist-upgrade it step by step so I can reach the newest Debian, the Strech.
2362 [20:36:35] <nkuttler> csanyipal: cool
2363 [20:36:42] <EdePopede> seems they aren't able to go with dual licensing on the long run. same for video sites btw. at least, you guess it. googletube.
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2365 [20:36:52] <csanyipal> I started this process by installing Debian Sarge.
2366 [20:37:15] <nkuttler> csanyipal: why not... just install stretch instead?
2367 [20:37:21] <csanyipal> Now on Lenny I get a GPG Key warning, like this:
2368 [20:37:23] <csanyipal> WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!
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2370 [20:37:43] <csanyipal> and I must to enter Yes so the installations start.
2371 [20:37:53] <nkuttler> !tell csanyipal about errors
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2373 [20:38:01] <csanyipal> How cna I fix this problem?
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2375 [20:38:16] <nkuttler> read the msg the bot sent you
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2377 [20:38:28] <dvs> csanyipal, it's not a problem. Every new release has it's own key.
2378 [20:38:31] <joepublic> csanyipal, I salute you and your desire to do this. Anytime someone comes here asking that question or a similar one, most people jump in and recommend against doing it. This is mostly because it's moldy, non-recent, and seldom-used knowledge that makes people's brains hurt.
2379 [20:39:04] <whislock> Why aren't you just installing stretch?
2380 [20:39:37] <csanyipal> whislock: because on this very old laptop the installation iso CD can't start.
2381 [20:39:53] <csanyipal> It is about some cmov kernel support out there.
2382 [20:40:13] <csanyipal> dvs: how to install Lenny's own key?
2383 [20:40:19] <joepublic> just out of curiosity, why not try jessie, or wheezy? Why go back to prehistoric versions?
2384 [20:40:49] <dvs> csanyipal, lenny's release notes should say
2385 [20:41:01] <csanyipal> dvs: aha.
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2387 [20:41:28] <annadane> joepublic, they're trying to upgrade piece by piece to stretch
2388 [20:41:50] <joepublic> annadane, yes, " because the stretch installation iso CD can't start "
2389 [20:41:56] <joepublic> hence my curiosity.
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2392 [20:42:42] <joepublic> Is installing Hamm or Potato really the solution to that particular problem? If it is, so be it, I would just like to expand my knowledge to include the "why" of it.
2393 [20:43:08] <joepublic> I have not used jigdo nor boot-floppies for quite some time now
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2397 [20:43:47] <annadane> fair enough then, sorry for being pig headed
2398 [20:44:11] <joepublic> no, I'd really like to see an ancient-to-stable one upgrade at the time, too
2399 [20:44:20] <csanyipal> I can't find in Lenny"s release notes about gpg keys.
2400 [20:44:25] <joepublic> that's one of debian's strengths :)
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2402 [20:44:48] <joepublic> csanyipal, the keys expire after a certain amount of time; you may have to accept that the packages are not verifiable and just install them on faith
2403 [20:44:49] <N3X15> Rest in peace, lighttpd
2404 [20:44:53] <N3X15> I knew thee well
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2409 [20:46:52] <joepublic> How old is Lenny, 6 years ago? 7? mold growing on those gpg keys by now
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2412 [20:47:39] <csanyipal> OK, so I can go further from Lenny to Squeeze, right?
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2414 [20:47:59] <joepublic> csanyipal, just read the release notes for each version as you upgrade.
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2417 [20:48:13] <csanyipal> joepublic: I am doing so.
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2419 [20:48:52] <joepublic> The oldest system I am still using is Wheezy, and its keys seem to be working fine.
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2421 [20:49:27] <csanyipal> joepublic: I will upgrade this Lenny to Squeeze tomorrow.
2422 [20:49:38] <csanyipal> Thank you for the help!
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2425 [20:49:53] <joepublic> luck. peace.
2426 [20:50:02] <csanyipal> Bye!
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2432 [20:55:55] <annadane> i will be upgrading to buster the day it gets released. i like stability but don't like old software _that_ much
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2466 [21:14:37] <m_g_lewis> How many lines of output should be printed to the screen before GRUB_GFXMODE= takes effect?
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2475 [21:17:50] <jelly> no idea, but hopefully none?
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2504 [21:35:10] <Olanzapin> anyone how knows where the eggdrop.conf is located? All i can see is this /usr/share/doc/eggdrop-data/examples/eggdrop.conf.gz do i need to extract?
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2506 [21:35:55] <EdePopede> Olanzapin, just a guess: in /etc[/eggdrop]?
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2509 [21:36:19] <Olanzapin> will have a look
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2511 [21:36:29] <greycat> eggdrop is a bot, so I would not assume there is a single, global config file for it
2512 [21:36:43] <greycat> more likely you're expected to create one yourself, and put it in whatever place the bot looks for it
2513 [21:37:10] <EdePopede> or this. the .gz may be more of a blueprint
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2516 [21:38:02] <Olanzapin> ahh ok
2517 [21:38:10] <EdePopede> generally, are there cases where the confs are created by postinst?
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2519 [21:38:28] <hatter_> I am trying to upgrade a debian 7.0 box, however apt is failing, it was trying to use ipv6, so I added a preference file to gai.conf, however it just hangs then still shows a lot of ipv6 attempted connections
2520 [21:38:38] <greycat> EdePopede: this assumes that there would *be* a global *.conf file at all
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2524 [21:39:40] <greycat> /var/lib/dpkg/info$ grep /etc *.postinst gives me several results
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2530 [21:43:16] <EdePopede> finally have to put a minimal system into a vm and look for all these things
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2542 [21:48:23] <hatter_> has debian 7 apt repositories moved to archive.debian.org yet ?
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2545 [21:49:20] <greycat> I just did an apt-get update on a wheezy system without complaint or error.
2546 [21:49:49] <rwp> Very easy to go to replaced-url
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2548 [21:50:34] <hatter_> rwp, true, I just realised myself and did it as you wrote it
2549 [21:50:45] <hatter_> greycat, thx
2550 [21:52:10] <jhutchins_wk> !mirror status
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2552 [21:52:11] <dpkg> Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: replaced-url
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2556 [21:54:15] <jorb> so i'm getting a bit baffled by systemd automounts
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2558 [21:54:47] <jorb> like, usb drives i've plugged in sticking around.. assuming theres some "safely remove hardware" variant that i'm missing
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2562 [21:56:17] <jorb> specifically this seems to happen when i start up gparted, it goes "Created symlink /run/systemd/system/media-<drivexxx → /dev/null"
2563 [21:56:32] <jorb> for a bunch of drives, that are no longer in existence
2564 [21:57:59] <jorb> any pointers would be helpful, for now off to google this issue, seems odd to me, but maybe just normal
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2624 [22:30:16] <jhutchins_wk> jorb: Those are usually mounted via the fuse system so that users can control them. What desktop/file manager do you have?
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2629 [22:31:49] <jhutchins_wk> jorb: The manual process is to run "sync", then unmount.
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2632 [22:32:12] <jhutchins_wk> jorb: Sync forces buffered data to be written to the drive.
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2634 [22:32:26] <greycat> (so does umount, but a manual sync won't hurt)
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2640 [22:37:48] <jorb> jhutchins_wk: using default Debian 9 w/ mate
2641 [22:38:05] <jorb> sync; sync; sudo sync; sudo sync; all day when i unplugg them
2642 [22:38:14] <jorb> possible i just got it into a funny state, but i've never see this happen before is all
2643 [22:38:58] <jorb> fuse is putting me in a direction, thank you :)
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2791 [23:59:54] <zerocool> hello everyone, happy 2019. in debian's /etc/network/interfaces, when putting bond-slaves, bond-mode, etc... i see a mix of `-` and `_` from different places on the internet, and even in my own configs, are these interchangeable?
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