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• 2[00:00:24] <rwp> I usually start by deleting /home which makes space and then adjusting the other sizes. I never actually create a new /home in the installer. I will create that later.
• 3[00:00:36] <cordess> i wans't happy with the size of /boot which is a primary partition and not part of LVM
• 4[00:00:48] <rwp> I have no idea why the debian-installer is written this way. Probably a legacy of how it evolved to this point.
• 5[00:01:03] <rwp> Ah... /boot. Gotcha.
• 6[00:01:28] <rwp> In that case I suggest this. I suggest making a note to yourself off to the side with all of the partitions you wish to make and their sizes. Then starting again and doing a manual partitioning.
• 7[00:01:35] <cordess> the installer propsed a size for /boot of around 256 MB. In my opinion this is too small for todays kernel images.
• 8[00:01:43] <rwp> Manual partitioning is actually quite easy. And then you get exactly what you want.
• 9[00:02:13] <cryptodan_mobile> cordess: that boot is likely for efi with that size
• 10[00:02:14] <rwp> For example I do not suggest a separate LVM for /tmp unless you have a small machine. If you have enough ram then I suggest a tmpfs /tmp instead.
• 11[00:02:29] <cordess> is it possble to create the partition with gparted outside of the debian installer and just use them after the debian installer is booted into?
• 12[00:03:05] <rwp> I agree on /boot size. I always make it 512M in size. Since I am often installing on multi-terabyte disks. Making the /boot a little bit large makes later things much easier.
• 13[00:03:05] <iosecure> My /boot only has 70MB of stuff in it. 256MB wouldn't exactly be constraining.
• 14[00:03:26] <cordess> cryptodan_monile, are you sure? /boot is a typical part where a typical linux distribution does install its kernel images
• 15[00:03:27] <rwp> Yes. You can use a different partitioner and then just use those partitions.
• 16[00:03:41] <rwp> Again select manual partitioning and then simply assign to the existing partitions.
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• 18[00:04:38] <rwp> iosecure, It all depends upon the use model over time. Ubuntu users routinely run into a full /boot and then must manually prune it.
• 19[00:04:47] <cordess> rwp, yes i also wondered why there was no guided "create home, root, and var partition only" option. I don't need /tmp either.
• 20[00:04:50] <cryptodan_mobile> cordess: you dont like the manual way replaced-url
• 21[00:04:56] <cryptodan_mobile> replaced-url
• 22[00:05:16] <rwp> I think the Ubuntu /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels isn't sufficient to keep the system automatically pruned.
• 23[00:05:36] <rwp> But I also tend to use the /boot as a dropbox knapsack of sorts at times too. Since it is unencrypted and so forth.
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• 25[00:06:29] <rwp> cryptodan_mobile, That is what cordess is working through and we are talking about right now.
• 26[00:06:38] <cordess> rwp, that's exactly what happened to me on a kubuntu installation. That's why i tend to make my primary /boot partition 2 GB in size. There is enough disk space to do this today.
• 27[00:06:59] <rwp> 2GB seems quite excessive! :-)
• 28[00:07:14] <cryptodan_mobile> If using efi kernels dont get stored in /boot
• 29[00:07:37] <rwp> Note that although friends running Ubuntu (and no jokes that friends do not let friends...) have multiple times asked me to help them save them from a full /boot.
• 30[00:07:39] <cryptodan_mobile> My /boot is only 250megs
• 31[00:07:41] <rwp> But I have never seen that on a Debian system.
• 32[00:08:24] <cordess> cryptodan_mobile i don't have a problem to do it manually. I partitioned my disks with fdisk on Slackware 7 around 20 years ago. But partition managers like gparted are so much more comfortable today.
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• 34[00:09:10] <rwp> cordess, Since you and I are both here chatting please give the debian-installer a try. I'll help you through any rough parts. It is really very simple in action, just confusing in knowing which direction to go.
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• 36[00:10:41] <rwp> I suggest selecting the top selection Guided Partitioning, selecting Guided - use entire disk, All files in one partition. Then do it. That will wipe everything on the disk.
• 37[00:11:04] <rwp> That will wipe the entire disk and put two partitions on it. Cleaning up anything that was there before.
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• 40[00:12:07] <rwp> Then go back to Manual partitioning. It will show two partitions #1 and #5. cursor to those. cursor to delete the partition. Delete it. Do it again for the other one.
• 41[00:12:12] <cordess> rwp, okay, but how do i get to the selection for manual. If i do select the option "Detect disk" i always get thrown back to the proposed LVM partition scheme
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• 43[00:12:50] <rwp> TAB to Go Back. Select Partition Disks.
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• 49[00:14:46] <cordess> i think i found it. I had to delete all lvm entries manually, and also the lvm group. After that i could delete the extended partition that was created for lvm
• 50[00:15:03] <rwp> That is another way to do it.
• 51[00:15:16] <rwp> The way I suggested bypassed that and had the installer just do a clean sweep of it.
• 52[00:15:29] <cordess> sadly a very cumbersome one
• 53[00:16:08] <rwp> haha... If you were watching me you would have seen three or four keystrokes and a few Enters. It all happened in less time than it took for me to type this line.
• 54[00:16:30] <rwp> Where are you now? What have you got? An empty partition table?
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• 57[00:17:26] <rwp> You have the entire disk displayed saying FREE SPACE?
• 58[00:17:36] <cordess> i had to put the virtual disk image on a real hard drive, because i didn't have enough space for it on my SSD. Thus this takes a little while.
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• 60[00:17:47] <cordess> now the deleting of the LVM is finished.
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• 66[00:19:55] <rwp> And you are at an empty partition table now? Ready to create your /boot?
• 67[00:19:58] <cordess> ok, i know set up a /boot parition with the size of 2 GB. I also gave it a bootable flag and partition typ is ext2 correct?
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• 69[00:20:26] <rwp> 2G is a *HUGE* /boot. Are you sure that is what you want? I suggest 512M.
• 70[00:21:22] <rwp> ext2 is okay for /boot and the bootable flag will get set automatically or not by the debian-installer for you.
• 71[00:21:23] <cordess> twp, yes. in the case if i have to switch back to kubuntu this is a good solution in my opionion without the need to repartition everything again.
• 72[00:21:40] <rwp> Okay. Then cursor down to free space and enter.
• 73[00:22:14] <rwp> I think it is self-explanatory through to Done on that partition.
• 74[00:22:18] <cordess> done. now i need to select the rest for the lvm
• 75[00:22:23] <rwp> Yes.
• 76[00:22:52] <rwp> When you get to the "Use as:" step. Select physical partition for LVM.
• 77[00:23:01] <rwp> Instead of ext4 the default prompted value.
• 78[00:23:03] <cordess> done that
• 79[00:23:28] <rwp> Then cursor up to Configure Logical Volume Manager.
• 80[00:23:29] <cordess> now i can select "Configure the Logical Volume Manager", right?
• 81[00:23:32] <rwp> Yes
• 82[00:23:45] <rwp> I am double checking and walking through this on my system at the same time.
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• 84[00:24:07] <cordess> i know, you already said that.
• 85[00:24:12] <rwp> I suggest using a short <= 3 character volume group name. Because df displays this nicely then.
• 86[00:24:27] <rwp> I just said that so you know why I have latency delays in response. :-)
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• 89[00:25:00] <cordess> okay, i will call it vg1
• 90[00:25:14] <rwp> Something like vg or vg1 is a good generic name. If you have many systems and want to physically mount the disk from one to another then having different names is convenient.
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• 93[00:25:30] <rwp> RH calls it a tremendously long name and df is inconveniently unpleasant to look at.
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• 95[00:26:09] <rwp> I think you will select the right partition and then get through to where you can Create Logical Volume. Do that.
• 96[00:26:29] <rwp> Create each of the logical volumes you wish to create.
• 97[00:26:35] <cordess> yes, i think i will now figure it out. Thanks a lot for your help.
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• 99[00:27:54] <rwp> When done hit finish. From the main partition menu assign the partitions to the directory mount points you wish. Assign swap to swap.
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• 101[00:28:18] <rwp> The new LVs will be displayed above the original raw partitions.
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• 105[00:29:05] <cordess> Is a swap still necessary? I have 16 GB of RAM on that machine.
• 106[00:29:18] <rwp> For each of your created partitions select it. Set the "Use as:" to ext4 or xfs or whatever you wish. Then select the mount point for the partition.
• 107[00:29:39] <rwp> That is not a simple question with a simple answer.
• 108[00:30:00] <cordess> is it required for suspend to disk?
• 109[00:30:12] <rwp> I turn off linux memory overcommit on servers and therefore require swap.
• 110[00:30:21] <rwp> Yes it is required for hibernate to disk.
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• 112[00:31:00] <cordess> but wasn't there some sort of "store suspend to disk data into a file in newer kernel versions?
• 113[00:31:06] <rwp> For hibernate to disk I believe it still needs to be as large as ram. Although I think there are compressors available. But worst case it might not compress.
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• 115[00:31:25] <rwp> I am unaware of that new feature. Possibly. I don't know.
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• 117[00:32:10] <cordess> hm, okay. what size do you propse for /var? On my last system it was 18,6 GB in size and around 10 GB were used.
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• 119[00:33:00] <cordess> okay, i found something about that topic: replaced-url
• 120[00:33:07] <rwp> I am using 3G on most of my machines. 1.4G used on a heavy system of mine. But you are burning space. So 6G or 10G probably for you.
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• 123[00:33:30] <rwp> The default is 25G for root and 10G for /var on a new installation.
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• 125[00:34:28] <Sveta> Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 -- does this work with debian? what package?
• 126[00:34:33] <rwp> I am using 8G for root for most of my systems. Headless servers use less than a heavier Desktop Environment. It's up to you.
• 127[00:35:11] <rwp> Sveta, Looks like replaced-url
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• 129[00:35:44] <cordess> rwp, on a desktop machine i once had to install a game and the game installer wanted > 5 GB of disk space in /var. I used symbolic links as a workaround at that time.
• 130[00:36:09] <rwp> If you have free space in the VG available you can live lvextend the LV.
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• 132[00:36:42] <rwp> After live lvextend then use the associated file system tool to live extend the file system to the new partition size.
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• 134[00:36:56] <rwp> Therefore I always try to keep some space in reserve on servers.
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• 136[00:37:10] <rwp> Not usually installing 0AD on a server system though. :-)
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• 138[00:37:52] <rwp> Anyway... cordess are you over the hump now? I want to say that it isn't impossible to do. Not so bad really. Just need to know that is the direction to take to do it.
• 139[00:37:57] <cordess> yes you're correct. With lvm this isn't a real problem anymore. But back in the old days i hadn't a LVM eneabled partition
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• 141[00:38:28] <rwp> Another cool thing about lvm is that it is possible to repackage *everything* on the fly while the system is running.
• 142[00:39:20] <rwp> For example if I have things really disorganized and need to reflow *everything* then can add a temporary disk array to the system. pvcreate. vgextend onto it. Then pvmove everything from the old to the new.
• 143[00:40:04] <rwp> Just pour the data from the old to the new. Then swap disks. Or if I still want to be on the old disks and have the patience can remove and recreate partitions on the old disks and then pour the data all back.
• 144[00:40:13] <rwp> With the result being what I need in the new organization.
• 145[00:40:35] <rwp> All while the system is online and running. Which is pretty handy at times. But when moving lots of gigs of data does need some patience to let it run.
• 146[00:40:42] <cordess> yes, i set up now three logical volumes for /, /home and /var. I also gave them the mount points
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• 148[00:41:02] <Sveta> rwp: installed firmware-iwlwifi, I don't think the wifi card is working though.
• 149[00:41:07] <rwp> So you are good to go now! Hurray!
• 150[00:41:14] <Sveta> how do I check? like view a list of nearby networks
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• 152[00:41:28] <Sveta> installed wireless-tools, 'iwlist' command not found
• 153[00:41:34] <rwp> Sveta, If the device is functioning after the modules are loaded then "ip addr show" will list them out.
• 154[00:42:06] <rwp> If you see the device you can probe further with "ethtool wlan0" or whatever the new device names are called. ethtool is a separate package.
• 155[00:42:09] <Sveta> rwp replaced-url
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• 157[00:42:32] <rwp> Looks good. wlp40s0 is the new device.
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• 159[00:42:55] <cordess> rwp, yes thanks for your help.
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• 161[00:43:25] <rwp> Sveta, What wifi manager are you using? NetworkManager? WICD? Other?
• 162[00:43:28] <Sveta> rwp replaced-url
• 163[00:43:40] <cordess> Now i will do a litlte research about this swap parition thing. If suspend to disk works without it, i won't need it.
• 164[00:43:55] <rwp> You can also probably create a swapfile too.
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• 166[00:44:43] <rwp> On servers I always disable linux-memory-overcommit. Because the OOM Killer can be brutal and inaccurate about the target.
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• 168[00:45:21] <Sveta> rwp I have nmtui probably
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• 170[00:45:34] <cordess> rwp, what does the linux-memory-overcommit do?
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• 174[00:45:50] <rwp> Try this: wpa_cli scan; sleep 5; wpa_cli scan_results
• 175[00:46:31] <rwp> Oh, iw is probably nicer. Try this: iw dev wlan0 scan | less
• 176[00:46:57] <rwp> Hopefully you will see access points in the list. If so then the device is working.
• 177[00:47:24] <Sveta> rwp: nmtui works, not sure why it doesn't automatically connect when I log in
• 178[00:47:51] <rwp> Working with NetworkManager is like being at a petting zoo where all of the animals are spiders and feral cats.
• 179[00:48:26] <cordess> which desktop environment is Debian using by default?
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• 181[00:48:56] <n4dir> probably one could answer "gnome", but you get to make that choice during installation.
• 182[00:48:58] <cordess> i am in the software selection menu. And there is this option "Debian desktop environment". I wonder which one Debians uses as defauilt.
• 183[00:49:03] <n4dir> so "default" is a bit misleading
• 184[00:49:15] <Sveta_> rwp: nmtui works, not sure why it doesn't automatically connect when I log in
• 185[00:49:29] <cordess> n4dir, well it's preselected
• 186[00:49:37] <n4dir> cordess: there are no other environments listed? it only says "desktop environment" ?
• 187[00:49:46] <cordess> Gnome, XFCE, KDE, Cinnamon, Mate, LXDE are unselected
• 188[00:49:57] <Sveta_> yes that's confusing i saw it too
• 189[00:50:05] <Sveta_> 'desktop env' on one line, '... gnome' on next
• 190[00:50:06] <n4dir> ah, yes, thats how i remember it too. I think gnome is the "default".
• 191[00:50:11] <cordess> n4dir It says "Debian desktop environment" i do wonder what that is.
• 192[00:50:13] <Sveta_> unclear which one it means
• 193[00:50:14] <rwp> IIRC it has been GNOME. But I don't actually know at this time.
• 194[00:50:37] <Sveta_> file a bug report if you want someone to make this less confusing :)
• 195[00:50:42] <cordess> i will choose kde
• 196[00:50:55] <rwp> That part isn't actually in the installer. It is just part of the aptitude tags.
• 197[00:51:22] <rwp> Those at home can follow along by typing "tasksel -t" in a terminal as non-root.
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• 200[00:52:00] <rwp> Hmm... I guess it does need root. But the -t is test mode and doesn't actually do anything other than say what it would do.
• 201[00:52:10] <cordess> interesting i can unseleect "Debian desktop environment"
• 202[00:52:17] <rwp> apt-get -q -y -o APT::Install-Recommends=true -o APT::Get::AutomaticRemove=true -o APT::Acquire::Retries=3 install task-desktop
• 203[00:52:56] <rwp> task-desktop is a meta-package that Recommends: task-gnome-desktop so GNOME would be the default default.
• 204[00:53:28] <rwp> cordess, Sure! I *always* unselect desktop. :-) I add in anything I want later.
• 205[00:53:29] <cordess> rwp, ah thanks. So if i don't want have Gnome installed on my system i have to unselect "Debian desktop environment"
• 206[00:53:33] <cordess> right?
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• 208[00:53:37] <rwp> Rigt.
• 209[00:53:53] <rwp> And if you want something different, at install time, then you can select one of the others.
• 210[00:54:09] <rwp> And later you can always install whatever you want. Or remove/purge whatever you want.
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• 212[00:54:50] <cordess> print server is preselected to. Is it required if i have a printer in my network?
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• 214[00:55:28] <cordess> sometimes i need to print into pdf. is the print server required to do this?
• 215[00:56:07] <rwp> I don't know.
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• 217[00:56:42] <rwp> task-print-server Depends: tasksel (= 3.39), cups, cups-client, cups-bsd ; Recommends: foomatic-db-engine, printer-driver-all, hplip, hp-ppd, openprinting-ppds
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• 220[00:57:16] <cordess> found something about this question here replaced-url
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• 224[00:58:30] <rwp> Yes. Note that task-print-server brings in more than just the single "cups" package but also the others as noted above.
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• 226[00:59:43] <cordess> rwp, so do you recommend it? It's for a desktop machine
• 227[01:00:01] <rwp> If you are setting up a desktop then I would pick it for install. It isn't too heavy.
• 228[01:00:18] <rwp> And then most things should "just work". Which is the point of the task-* packages.
• 229[01:00:45] <cordess> okay, i will do that. usually i also install the ssh server too but this test run is only a vm. Here i don't need it, but the case is different on the real machine.
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• 232[01:02:30] <rwp> I almost always install ssh at the earliest time in the installer. Because I am always using it everywhere.
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• 234[01:02:45] <rwp> but again, the OS is a framework. You get to choose what you want to do with it as you go along.
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• 237[01:03:10] <rwp> Think of it like a book case in your house. What books are in your book case? It is something that might be different for each of us.
• 238[01:04:06] <rwp> Seeing that Sveta quit I am hoping it is not because networking is really broken there now! :-}
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• 246[01:06:27] <cordess> :)
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• 249[01:07:07] <cordess> okay, i read though that swap file article. It's quite a hassle especially with systemd. I think i take the easy way and create a swap partition.
• 250[01:07:38] <Sveta> rwp, it is ok, it seems now it also comes back after reboot automatically also :)
• 251[01:07:47] <rwp> Cool! :-)
• 252[01:07:55] <cordess> but on the other side, boooting up a system from a SSD is so fast today, i am really not sure if hibernate to disk is really ncessary. And there is still suspend to ram if the power grid is reliable.
• 253[01:08:01] <Sveta> whats the easy to use bluetooth gui? i think this laptop might have bluetooth in it
• 254[01:08:28] <rwp> NM saves state in /var somewhere as to the last thing it did. I think (not sure) that upon restart it tries to recreate the last state it was in.
• 255[01:09:28] <rwp> cordess, There is also the option of doing both suspend-ram plus hiberate-disk. Then upon restart it comes back from whichever it can. However the save to disk part with 16G of ram can be a slow long time.
• 256[01:10:26] <rwp> man pm-suspend-hybrid for details on that option.
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• 258[01:10:52] <rwp> Sveta, I don't know but... blueman?
• 259[01:10:59] <rwp> I have not used it.
• 260[01:11:29] <Sveta> ok
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• 262[01:12:01] <rwp> As a side-effect "rfkill list" will show the radio devices. If you have bluetooth it will be listed.
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• 268[01:13:08] <cordess> okay, test installation is done and working. I will do the installation on the real machine tomorrow. It's getting late.
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• 271[01:14:36] <rwp> cordess, You should be good to go. Next time it will be encrypted lvm on raid partitions on a uefi system! Setting that up manually is a little convoluted. :-)
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• 275[01:16:00] <cordess> i allready use lVM + encryption on my main machine. But this debian installation is for my parents and there i don't want have them to enter a key to have decrypted acces to the drive.
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• 277[01:17:53] <cordess> i am not sure if it is possible to use encyption without the need to enter a password for the decryption on reboot.
• 278[01:18:18] <n4dir> i think it would be possible, not sure what would be the point of it though.
• 279[01:18:21] <cordess> at least if there is only one drive in the computer.
• 280[01:18:30] <n4dir> kinda have it in a file (the password).
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• 282[01:18:55] <cordess> On my FreeNAS it is possible, but the decryption key is stored on another drive.
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• 284[01:19:19] <cordess> Thus it's possible to boot the NAS up without the need to enter some sort of key PW.
• 285[01:19:30] <n4dir> ah, at least that would explain (to me) a use-case for such a setup. Friend of mine fooled with it, but it is years ago
• 286[01:19:46] <cordess> and the data on the drive is protected if i have to sent them to the manufactorer for a replacement.
• 287[01:19:54] <n4dir> yup. got you.
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• 292[01:23:46] <cordess> if drive encyption works with a kerbneros key server that would be fine.
• 293[01:23:47] <rwp> For your parents go for simplicity that you can maintain.
• 294[01:24:00] <cordess> rwp, i agree
• 295[01:24:17] <rwp> For yourself for fun look up mandos and hack it to pull the password from other places.
• 296[01:24:37] <rwp> We have joked here that we should put a camera on the computer, along with a poster with a QR code on the wall where it looks.
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• 298[01:24:51] <rwp> If someone were to steal the system they would probably leave the poster behind.
• 299[01:25:08] <rwp> But actually I wouldn't do that because I think there are much better ways.
• 300[01:25:20] <cryptodan_mobile> cordess: alsokeepin mind data recovery time for parents if need be.
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• 302[01:25:43] <rwp> +1! Backup is very important.
• 303[01:25:59] <n4dir> and make it two.
• 304[01:26:01] <cordess> rwp; lol this is funny
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• 308[01:27:04] <rue_shop3> how can I get X to accept incomming connections?
• 309[01:28:01] <n4dir> rue_shop3: not clue, but xhost comes to my mind
• 310[01:28:04] <rwp> rue_shop3, By default X is no longer listening on the network accessible port.
• 311[01:28:31] <cordess> i think the best option would be to buy a small ssd and put it in the computer. Then the decryption keys can be stored on that drive and the data on the other is encrypted. And with such a setup it is probably not required to enter a PW after every reboot to decrpyt the drive. The only drawback is, that it doesn't help if someone steals the whole computer.
• 312[01:28:48] <rwp> See "man Xserver" and look for /-listen tcp
• 313[01:28:55] <cordess> a usb flash media might do the job too.
• 314[01:29:01] <rwp> However I suggest tunneling over ssh first.
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• 316[01:29:30] <rwp> rue_shop3, Back up a level please and say what the top level task goal is?
• 317[01:30:03] <cryptodan_mobile> If you cant be there in a bind and they need to take their PC to shop the data recovery will be difficult for that shop if encrypted
• 318[01:30:03] <rwp> Othwerise you can use "ssh -X remotehost" and then "xclock" and it will tunnel the xclock back through the ssh connection.
• 319[01:30:48] <cordess> gladly they don't live too far away.
• 320[01:30:59] <rwp> cryptodan_mobile, No consumer service shop (thinking the big box shops) will know anything about any non-MS or non-Apple system. Sorry. We are not there yet.
• 321[01:31:02] <watchcat> usb with keys, or yubikey
• 322[01:31:23] <cordess> sry, meant fortunately
• 323[01:31:30] <rue_shop3> n4cht, things in debain disables it, like rwp says
• 324[01:31:41] <rwp> cordess, And I am sure you will set up a tunnel from their box back to yours anyway so that you can log in remotely. That is what I do.
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• 326[01:31:57] <rue_shop3> but I dont know where to make the change to enble it,
• 327[01:32:01] <iosecure> rue_shop3: What are you trying to accomplish?
• 328[01:32:16] <rue_shop3> rwp, I have a debian machine that cant run what I need to
• 329[01:32:24] <rue_shop3> so I have a fresh 64 bit machine on a rack
• 330[01:32:44] <rue_shop3> because I have programs that keep me from upgrading the machine I'm working on
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• 332[01:32:51] <cordess> rwp; well i could do that but i don't want have an open ssh port reachable from the internet.
• 333[01:32:56] <rue_shop3> I can run the other stuff on the 64 bit machine
• 334[01:33:01] <rwp> From your desktop client run "ssh -X rackmachine" to log in and then run your X client and it should display on your display.
• 335[01:33:15] <cryptodan_mobile> For parents and ease of use I'd let them use windows
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• 337[01:33:23] <cordess> with static ips this would be a different story
• 338[01:34:00] <cordess> with such i could use the firewall to let only connections from my IP address connect to the ssh server. But here, the ip usualy changes
• 339[01:34:00] <rwp> cordess, You seem like the type of person who would enjoy keeping a static IP server on the net for $5/month or less from a commodity VPS hosting company.
• 340[01:34:21] <rue_shop3> :) ok
• 341[01:34:40] <rwp> Keep it updated with security upgrades daily. Use long unguessable truly random passwords. Run fail2ban to keep the noise in the log files down. No problem!
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• 343[01:35:02] <cordess> cryptodan_mobile, me definitaly not. To much work to keep the window system clean.
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• 345[01:35:24] <cryptodan_mobile> Its painless really
• 346[01:35:27] <rue_shop3> did you know all those login attempts come from one 'person'
• 347[01:35:27] <rue_shop3> ?
• 348[01:35:38] <cordess> if it is my own machine this ins't a problem. But my parents are a little older, they might click on something they shouldn't click on.
• 349[01:35:39] <watchcat> run the old version in a vm
• 350[01:35:39] <rue_shop3> I been logging the username/password attempts
• 351[01:35:48] <cryptodan_mobile> No virus or malware infections for me since 1993
• 352[01:36:03] <iosecure> It is amazing the kind of false "wisdom" that gets thrown around in IRC.
• 353[01:36:32] <rwp> I converted my 80yo airplane mechanic and his wife from Windows to a Debian installation running Cinamon with the largest fonts available.
• 354[01:36:50] <rue_shop3> for about 3 months (I forgot it was going)
• 355[01:36:53] <cordess> rwp; there is still the option of zero day exploits
• 356[01:36:53] <rwp> She loves the machine. She says everything is fast. And I told her do not worry about viruses or upgrades as that will all be automated.
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• 358[01:37:33] <rue_shop3> windows has automated upgrades weekly!
• 359[01:37:35] <rwp> cordess, I also recommend running 'aide' too. But it is a huge noise source until you actively drive hard on it. Also 'logcheck'.
• 360[01:37:46] <cordess> cryptodan_mobile How can you be sure?
• 361[01:37:46] <rue_shop3> and at work, we have a computer tech that comes in weekly to get the computers running again!
• 362[01:38:08] <rwp> I have always done my own automation for daily upgrades but others use unattended-upgrades so it must work. I need to look into that one of these days.
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• 365[01:39:15] <cryptodan_mobile> I know how my pcs run
• 366[01:39:50] <rwp> My work here is to be that computer tech to go into clients and fix their systems. So I am biased about how easy it is to get things set up nicely, securely, and keep them updated.
• 367[01:41:04] <rwp> I was very happy to see how quickly my 80 year olds took to the Debian desktop system. They only do web browsing, which is also their email, and printing.
• 368[01:42:00] <cordess> okay, i have to go offline now. It's getting really late. Thanks a lot for all your help and have a good night.
• 369[01:42:09] <rwp> Good night!
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• 372[01:42:36] <cordess> good night.
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• 379[01:49:18] <rue_shop3> ssh works great, thanks!
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• 381[01:50:50] <annadane> secure shallots
• 382[01:50:52] * annadane munch
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• 385[01:51:59] <rwp> Secure onions? shallots == onions, right?
• 386[01:52:13] <annadane> yeah
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• 388[01:52:27] <rwp> I love grilled onions. YUM!
• 389[01:52:39] <annadane> they're delicious in tuna sandwiches
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• 392[01:52:58] <cryptodan_mobile> Liver and onions here
• 393[02:00:45] <watchcat> i like to nuke some cheese and onions between two slices of salami and throw it on rye bread with mayo and lettuce.
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• 404[02:10:50] <Mathisen> what is the recommended way to get php 7.1 or higher on stretch ? i dont really like adding random ppa to apt
• 405[02:11:58] <dvs> ,v php
• 406[02:12:00] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.3+69
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• 410[02:13:34] <Mathisen> so i need to feel brave and start using buster ?
• 411[02:14:01] <watchcat> or run it in a vm.
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• 413[02:15:29] <geoton> question, I cannot fix bunsenlabs linux display resolution in oracle virtualbox, can you help me? Appreciated
• 414[02:15:55] <geoton> on xrandr query I get a list with max 1024 and a message : "Failed to get size of gamma for output default"
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• 416[02:17:23] <Mathisen> i would prefer to not start with buster as i need to upgrade and i got several web services running on the machine i need php 7.1 on. some of the services i use is not complaining on to old php version :/
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• 418[02:18:02] <Mathisen> is now complaining* and i dont know if the upgrade will work. i would prefer on clean install on dist upgrades
• 419[02:18:24] <Mathisen> is there really no other "sane" way to do this ?
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• 421[02:20:18] <annadane> !bunsenlabs
• 422[02:20:18] <dpkg> BunsenLabs Linux is a community continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
• 423[02:20:22] <annadane> geoton, ^
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• 425[02:22:07] <geoton> roger
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• 429[02:28:14] <geoton> can you reccomend a lightweight 64bit debian based distro fo a VM to run a db and python?
• 430[02:28:31] <iosecure> Debian?
• 431[02:28:41] <Mathisen> yeah i agree debian :)
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• 433[02:29:14] <Mathisen> debian is lightweight to start with if you just skip all the gui stuff and stay with the base install
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• 438[02:30:34] <geoton> ok, I am downloading the iso now :) thanks 9.6 right?
• 439[02:31:14] <annadane> yeah depending on whether you need non free firmware or have internet access or not
• 440[02:31:20] <annadane> you probably just want the netinst iso
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• 442[02:31:25] <annadane> but yes, 9.6 is latest
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• 444[02:31:48] <geoton> I am taking the full one 3.4 G
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• 448[02:31:56] <geoton> dvd 1
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• 450[02:33:11] <iosecure> If you have an internet connection during installation, that's probably unnecessary.
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• 452[02:33:31] <geoton> true, still almost there... :)
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• 455[02:35:06] <geoton> one quick question if I would like to put a desktop manager, a light an decent looking one for 9.6 what would you reccomned? I am thinking xfce
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• 457[02:35:30] <Mathisen> xfce is a great choice
• 458[02:36:07] <cryptodan_mobile> I concur
• 459[02:36:19] <Mathisen> if you want tileing manager i3 for sure. can be "complex" to setup if you never done it doh
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• 461[02:36:39] <geoton> k, thanks Mathisen I was thinking of something more fun
• 462[02:37:04] <geoton> roger
• 463[02:37:05] <annadane> i use xfce just because it's suited to my workflow and because i like some of the included applications
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• 508[03:36:51] <chomwitt> what are all the certs in /etc/ssl/certs i see in a new debian 9 installation?
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• 513[03:42:03] <cryptodan_mobile> chomwitt: that is for https and other things
• 514[03:42:53] <chomwitt> is there a deb package with all those certs?
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• 518[03:47:02] <cryptodan_mobile> chomwitt: I think ca-certificates is the file
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• 522[03:50:20] <chomwitt> thanks. i found it too. But why is needed? In order for firefox to validate a site as secure?
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• 527[03:53:20] <iosecure> Correct. They're the trusted root certificate authorities.
• 528[03:53:51] <iosecure> Not just Firefox, though.
• 529[03:54:30] <iosecure> In general, anything making a TLS connection is going to verify the certificate presented by the remote server against whatever trusted authorities exist on the system. Without that package, all of those connection attempts would fail, reporting that the remote server's certificate can't be validated.
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• 532[03:58:53] <cryptodan_mobile> 02:42 <cryptodan_mobile> chomwitt: that is for https and other things
• 533[03:59:11] <iosecure> So yeah, what ^ said.
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• 542[04:02:47] <Mathisen> RIP my 4 tb raid :( did the upgrade to buster and i told myself not to and now my LVM/raid is broken.. "bad fs.. superblock..." sleep time for me. good night
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• 548[04:07:16] <chomwitt> iosecure: '..attempts would fail' or browser will just warn 'not secure site , proceed at your own will :-)
• 549[04:07:23] <chomwitt> ?
• 550[04:07:44] <iosecure> We go back to "not just your browser."
• 551[04:08:04] <iosecure> In your browser, you'll get a warning. Outside of a browser, things will refuse to connect, and thus fail.
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• 668[05:54:07] <Nikon> yo yo yo
• 669[05:54:32] <Nikon> so i have a dell poweredge R610 and one day the power went out
• 670[05:54:55] <Nikon> my old SATA hdd i had in there got corrupted, i've given up on saving the data
• 671[05:55:05] <Nikon> but is there any way to make sure it doesnt happen again?
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• 676[05:57:50] <iosecure> Have backups, have an UPS, use a filesystem that's generally resilient to this sort of thing.,
• 677[05:57:55] <iosecure> Oh, and also have backups.
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• 680[05:58:14] <Nikon> what would be the ideal filesystem then?
• 681[05:58:52] <iosecure> xfs and ext4 are generally considered quite reliable. I'm sure there's a lot of back and forth on the subject.
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• 697[06:24:17] <Nikon> ahh okay thank you!
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• 766[07:45:07] <cGIfl300> hello, just a quick question, wich kernel is used on debian right now stable?
• 767[07:45:56] <n4dir> linux-image-4.9.0-3-686-pae - Linux 4.9 for modern PCs
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• 770[07:46:11] <cGIfl300> f** ok, thank you
• 771[07:46:13] <n4dir> i'd say that version. not too sure.
• 772[07:46:40] <n4dir> i did a apt-cache search linux-image in a chroot, and all seem to be like 4.9.0-3*
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• 777[07:47:36] <cGIfl300> yes, this is the good reply, thank you, I just used to get the one installed on iso, it is too old to my wifi card
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• 779[07:48:02] <cGIfl300> I need to add a module on kernel and I need a recent kernel
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• 781[07:48:43] <n4dir> the stable-backports repo probably have a newer version of the kernel.
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• 783[07:48:48] <n4dir> !backports
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• 785[07:48:51] <n4dir> damn it
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• 787[07:49:18] <n4dir> replaced-url
• 788[07:49:42] <cGIfl300> yes, but I could not update it :-)
• 789[07:50:11] <cGIfl300> this is for an offline install
• 790[07:50:29] <n4dir> ah. hmm. there should be a way.
• 791[07:50:46] <cGIfl300> indeed yes, suse have a newer one working lol
• 792[07:50:56] <n4dir> ha ha. good point
• 793[07:51:10] <cGIfl300> but I prefer debian, not really important indeed
• 794[07:51:20] <cGIfl300> this is because I use deb on my servers
• 795[07:51:30] <cGIfl300> I don't like having many versions
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• 939[10:20:12] <nuxil> im on stretch running a ancient kde version. i like to purge this kde and replace it with a newer version. since this version is full of bugs.. where do i find a repo that has newest kde ?
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• 948[10:28:55] <rudi_s> nuxil: I don't think you can. You would need to update to Buster, but that is not released yet.
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• 958[10:36:45] <nuxil> rudi_s, dont be so negative.. there is always a way.. i could purge my current install and spend 2-3 days compiling everything from source :p but was more hopeing someone had a custom repo to use.
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• 960[10:37:55] <rudi_s> nuxil: Of course, but I meant a simple way as in "where do i find a repo".
• 961[10:38:21] <rudi_s> And it's very likely that many software in Debian stable is too old for the latest KDE so you'd have to compile that too.
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• 965[10:40:05] <nuxil> yea. i bet it will become a deep rabbithole :p
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• 996[11:15:10] <FreeBDSM> hello, I came here to tell you you need to exclude mirror.mephi.ru from the list of official debian mirrors because they are down for more than a few days
• 997[11:15:10] <chomwitt> isnt tripwire umaintainded when its last version is from 2008 ?
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• 1002[11:18:09] * chomwitt ..sorry i was looking at tiger
• 1003[11:19:06] <rant> FreeBDSM: this channel is volunteer debian users supporting other users, its not even an official project channel anymore.. hasn't been for a long time. Reports of problems with things like mirrors or the website are typically filed as bug reports as far as I know or via a mailing list I'm not certain of the proceedure only that saying it here won't really do anything
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• 1006[11:19:40] <FreeBDSM> rant: well, okay then :(
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• 1008[11:19:58] <rant> FreeBDSM: generally speaking the process for such a thing would be to try contact the people running the mirror to get them to fix it then remove it if they dont comply from the official list
• 1009[11:20:05] <FreeBDSM> mailing lists... what are we? living in 1800th?
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• 1011[11:20:26] <rant> FreeBDSM: mailing lists are still a very useful part of open source development
• 1012[11:20:27] <Sveta> mailing lists are a nice tool to keep a small group updated of news and whatnot
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• 1014[11:20:35] <FreeBDSM> no, they are unusable
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• 1016[11:20:45] <PaddyF> okay. done. next!
• 1017[11:20:48] <Sveta> once the group grows, there are irc channels, meetups, etc but mailing lists are especially useful at initial stage in my view
• 1018[11:20:56] <FreeBDSM> I don't know how mailing lists work, they don't have a site where I can post stuff
• 1019[11:21:28] <PaddyF> imagine that developers are always ready for a fart that comes across. how many users exist?
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• 1021[11:21:37] <rant> FreeBDSM: well I dont care for them myself.. using them that is.. but our support community for Debian consists of a Wiki, IRC, Mailing Lists, Bug Tracking System, and a Forum.. each of them have different purposes and different people who use them
• 1022[11:21:40] <FreeBDSM> the whole idea to use emails for mass communication is ridiculous
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• 1024[11:21:49] <PaddyF> how much time would they waste with people of your kind?
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• 1027[11:22:14] <FreeBDSM> PaddyF: you just described how mailing lists work
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• 1029[11:22:41] <PaddyF> the world serves only you, right?
• 1030[11:23:01] <FreeBDSM> no, there are still people living in 1800, they serve their own purpose
• 1031[11:23:06] <rant> FreeBDSM: imagine also how hard it might be though if you say had a problem with a very specific USB driver for a rare piece of hardware some italian guy wrote... it'd be much easier to ping the linux kernel mailing list than to get the source, fish for the right file, find the name/email of the maintainer..etc.. when for all anyone knows someone ELSE on LKML could probably solve your problem
• 1032[11:23:40] <rant> for large projects a mailing list serves the purpose of reaching the masses on their terms
• 1033[11:23:53] <PaddyF> at least rant has somebody to play with
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• 1036[11:24:04] <FreeBDSM> rant: we are living in 3rd millennium, people invented websites already
• 1037[11:24:07] <rant> where this IRC support requires a real-time connection.. you aasked about that mirror a while ago and nobody was around here to respond :P
• 1038[11:24:25] <rant> where if you'd asked on debian-user you probably would've gotten a sooner and more accurate response
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• 1042[11:25:32] <FreeBDSM> you can't have multiple long-time structured discussions over email. especially if there are more than 2 people exchanging messages.
• 1043[11:25:35] <themill> FreeBDSM: you wanted a website: replaced-url
• 1044[11:25:49] <rant> themill: heh.
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• 1048[11:26:12] <FreeBDSM> themill: that's not a support website, that's a page describing some technology invented in dinosaur era
• 1049[11:26:21] <themill> FreeBDSM: troll elsewhere, thanks/
• 1050[11:26:30] <FreeBDSM> I'm not even sure the page is in html
• 1051[11:26:31] <PaddyF> binding the attention of 4 people now
• 1052[11:26:55] <FreeBDSM> I enjoy ridiculing bullshit, sorry
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• 1054[11:27:00] <rant> PaddyF: yes well we're moving past it now
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• 1059[11:28:28] <rant> I for one could talk at length about all our resources, the utility of each of them, and their shortcommings but thats not really the scope of _THIS_ particular channel :P
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• 1062[11:32:20] <maheshhegde> does /lib/ld-linux.so.3 take only one library path when invoked as interpreter explicitly?
• 1063[11:33:47] <rant> maheshhegde: Idk, but the relevant documentation can be found by running man 8 ld-linux
• 1064[11:34:45] <rant> maheshhegde: seems to respect the env variable though which can contain a list of paths
• 1065[11:35:06] <rant> LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable that is
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• 1068[11:36:40] <rant> I personally dont fool with that stuff much, but in debugging I've always used LD_LIBRARY_PATH which seems to be the best way to specify for env instances what libraries to use and allows for multiple paths
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• 1093[11:52:05] <Lyberta> hi, I'm converting a VM image from BIOS to UEFI, it's fully encrypted, the problem is that I get dumped into initramfs shell and then when I try to manually open root partition I get "Error allocating crypto tfm", also I had to manually add cryptsetup to initramfs, for some reason update-initramfs doesn't want to include it by default
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• 1107[12:02:27] <rant> Lyberta: are you doing this on a debian system? I.e. inside a VM or chroot or from some other system?
• 1108[12:03:06] <rant> cause anytime I've done update-initramfs on Stretch I dont recall having to add cryptsetup
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• 1110[12:03:49] <Lyberta> rant, hmm, I have a bootable usb flash drive that I temporary added to vm as a rescue drive
• 1111[12:04:05] <Lyberta> do I need initramfs flag in crypttab?
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• 1114[12:04:39] <rant> o.O
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• 1116[12:05:18] <rant> crypttab is merely for listing the crypt container mappings so that fstab can access the filesystems inside the container
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• 1119[12:05:45] <rant> is this all just some sort of educational exercise? I can't imagine why you'd need a VM to be UEFI :P
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• 1121[12:06:24] <Lyberta> rant, I hate GRUB and want to use rEFInd instead
• 1122[12:06:55] <rant> heh.. never heard of that.. but I guess I can understand. I for a long time kept using lilo just cause I didnt like grub and knew lilo well
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• 1125[12:07:48] <rant> in this case however being that you got a encrypted install in a VM you may be going to an aweful lot of aggrivation just to be rid of something you probably dont need to touch ever anyhow :P
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• 1127[12:08:36] <rant> I don't know shit about UEFI really, not even the basics.. so I just avoid it.. I just know a bit about using encrypted installs
• 1128[12:09:09] <Lyberta> rant, well first I had to create a new virtual drive because I don't want to have MBR drives and I'm pretty sure I'd have a very tough time in UEFI
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• 1137[12:11:04] <rant> Lyberta: as for the initramfs.. the configuration there is all in /etc/initramfs-tools/ only time I ever had to fool with that is when doing a more manual/expert install, I had to change it to load the proper kernel modules in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
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• 1139[12:12:09] <rant> the reason I asked about the environment you were working in currently is cause if you installed an official debian stable with encrypted root, it should all be setup correctly and re-running initramfs-tools from WITHIN that system should not break anything with that part of things
• 1140[12:12:48] <rant> if you're booting the vm from some foreign system and not chrooting to the encrypted rootfs of the VM before running initramfs-tools then you're not actually running initramfs ON that system but on the rescue media
• 1141[12:13:07] <rant> which could certainly explain why you're experincing breakage there
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• 1144[12:13:43] <Lyberta> rant, uhh that VM was my first experiment with LUKS and I was stupid to choose the LVM option
• 1145[12:14:17] <Lyberta> rant, so during migration I went from MBR disk to GPT disk and removed LVM in the process
• 1146[12:14:18] <rant> to modify your initramfs from a rescue media, you'd mount both the / and /boot, bind mount the /boot inside the / where it belongs, then chroot to that encrypted / before running any commands like initram-fs
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• 1148[12:14:47] <Lyberta> rant, sure, that's what I've been doing for the past 4 hours or so
• 1149[12:15:06] <Hijiri> hi
• 1150[12:15:16] <Hijiri> what's the best way to unzip a zip file with non-unicode encodings
• 1151[12:15:18] <rant> Lyberta: well my first time using encrypted root I'd gone without LVM and it became a bit of a PITA cause debian is setup to put encrypted root ON lvm by default.. and now I have it setup that way by the installer cause its just simpler since thats the way everything expects it to be
• 1152[12:15:43] <Hijiri> I see guides online on using a patched version of unzip but maybe debian's repos have something that will work by themselves
• 1153[12:15:54] <Lyberta> rant, I have no idea what's good about LVM at all
• 1154[12:16:06] <rant> Lyberta: most people would shout snapshots! :P
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• 1156[12:16:25] <Hijiri> on a stack exchange site there is asolution about using convmv, but it doesn't support shiftjis x 0213, which is supported by the patched unzip (I think)
• 1157[12:16:32] <rant> I personally dont care for LVM, or LUKS, or RAID, or anything that adds layers of compication unless its necessary
• 1158[12:16:51] <Lyberta> rant, my setup is also a bit "expert" because I don't have /boot partition and instead use EFI System Partition
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• 1160[12:17:24] <rant> Hijiri: I'm not clear, and others may not be either, what you mean by "with non-unicode encodings" if this means the filenames inside the file, or what
• 1161[12:17:42] <Hijiri> the filenames of the files inside the zip archive
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• 1163[12:18:01] <rant> and what's the problem exactly?
• 1164[12:18:20] <Hijiri> when I unzip them the filenames are mangled because it tries to use them as unicode(?)-encoded filenames
• 1165[12:18:23] <rant> cause when you say a zipfile with non-unicode.. zipfiles themselves dont have any character encoding
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• 1167[12:19:34] <Hijiri> ok, the file names have the bytes corresponding to a file name encoded in a non-unicode encoding, because the orignal zipper had files with names in that encoding
• 1168[12:20:01] <Hijiri> when I unzip it the utility doesn't know the encoding, so assumes unicode (ascii? not sure), and gives mangled filenames
• 1169[12:20:15] <Hijiri> there's a popular patch for unzip which allows specifying the "original" encoding so it can beconverted
• 1170[12:20:23] <rant> do you have any idea what encoding is actually used?
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• 1172[12:20:28] <Hijiri> It's used in ubuntu's distribution of unzip but not debian
• 1173[12:20:33] <Hijiri> probably shift jis or an extension of it
• 1174[12:21:13] <Hijiri> oh
• 1175[12:21:24] <Hijiri> actually I found a stack exchange answer that let me do it (in a sort of unwieldy way)
• 1176[12:21:29] <Hijiri> replaced-url
• 1177[12:21:35] <Hijiri> The answer involving bsdtar
• 1178[12:21:54] <Hijiri> It seems sort of painful though, unless maybe automated with a script
• 1179[12:22:19] <rant> that assumes the zipfile knows the encoding
• 1180[12:22:26] <Hijiri> what assumes it
• 1181[12:22:30] <rant> i.e. it was recorded as meta-data that is
• 1182[12:22:41] <Hijiri> I mean, what is assuming that the file knows the encoding
• 1183[12:22:56] <rant> that any sort of patch of an unzip utility would do anything
• 1184[12:23:04] <Hijiri> The patch lets you specify the encoding
• 1185[12:23:10] <Hijiri> otherwise it will still output mangled names
• 1186[12:23:14] <rant> unless it uses some sort of heuristic algroithm to detect it
• 1187[12:23:26] <Hijiri> it doesn't, it's given by the user as a command line argument
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• 1189[12:23:31] <rant> yes well thats why I asked do you even KNOW what encoding it is?
• 1190[12:23:38] <Hijiri> Yes I do, and I said that I did earlier
• 1191[12:23:45] <Hijiri> Hijiri ╡ It's used in ubuntu's distribution of unzip but not debian
• 1192[12:23:48] <Hijiri> ⤷ ╡ probably shift jis or an extension of it
• 1193[12:24:06] <Hijiri> I guess it wasn't clear that shift jis is an encoding from the context
• 1194[12:24:35] <Hijiri> so I just applied the answer in that post and it worked, now I'm just wondering if there's a prepackaged way to do it with some program in debian
• 1195[12:24:48] <Hijiri> like there is with ubuntu's distribution of unzip
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• 1197[12:27:02] <Hijiri> I actually downloaded and use the patched version on my other computer but I forgot where to find it and I'm away so I thought I would see if there was a better way. This is a somewhat common task for me since it comes up whenever I need to open a zip file of japanese stuff that was zipped on windows (the source of most zip files)
• 1198[12:27:16] <Lyberta> rant, "cryptsetup: ERROR: encrypted_root: Source mismatch" when I run update-initramfs
• 1199[12:29:46] <rant> Lyberta: I dont know what that means.. and google doesn't seem to know about it either.. only thing I can think of is there is a mismatch between the mapper names in fstab and crypttab.. I dont know what it means by "source"
• 1200[12:31:17] <rant> Lyberta: crypttab is a list of containers.. it takes the UUID / Device of the container and provides a mapper name to map it to.. i.e. /dev/sda1 or 0000-0000-0000-0000 or such and maps it to something like /dev/mapper/crypt so that fstab can then access the filesystem within the container by mounting /dev/mapper/crypt
• 1201[12:31:45] <rant> Lyberta: if you call it "crypt" in crypttab, and call it "mycrypt" in fstab, obviously thats not gonna work
• 1202[12:32:28] <rant> crypttab is read by cryptsetup to open the containers and expose the filesystems, and fstab is read by mount to mount the filesystem.. the mapper names have to agree
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• 1204[12:33:46] <Lyberta> rant, it looks like I got caught in conflict because both my rescue system and vm used "encrypted_root" as name of opened root partition... but how do I mount it via initramfs, it seems to be opend I just need to mount it and continue
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• 1206[12:34:19] <rant> ah.. well yeah.. thats not a "mismatch" per-se, that's a namespace conflict
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• 1208[12:34:39] <rant> can't have two mapped devices with the same exact name :P
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• 1210[12:34:55] <rant> me personally, I'd file a f'n bug.. I hate when errors are misleading :P
• 1211[12:35:16] <rant> "source mismatch" is not the right way to say that to make someone realize whats wrong
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• 1217[12:36:16] <Lyberta> rant, I guess the script compared UUIDs from crypttab and actual one and actual one was different because I had to bind mount /dev in order for chroot to work
• 1218[12:36:18] <rant> first of all a mismatch is something not matching, not something IS matching.. and the "source" of a crypt is it's device or file..
• 1219[12:36:24] <rant> not its mapper name. :P
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• 1221[12:37:19] <rant> ah, ok.. well that makes sense I guess
• 1222[12:37:20] <Lyberta> rant, as soon as I renamed encrypted_root to encrypted_root2 in both crypttab and fstab, the error went away but I'm still inside initramfs, wtf?
• 1223[12:38:01] <rant> its referring to a mismatch between the UUID and what it found already in /dev/mapper
• 1224[12:38:27] <Lyberta> rant, yes
• 1225[12:38:47] <rant> Lyberta: check to see if there is cryptsetup and then check lsmod for proper modules (from within initramfs)
• 1226[12:38:53] <Lyberta> rant, how do I manually mount root in initramfs?
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• 1228[12:39:14] <Lyberta> rant, I got /dev/mapper/encrypted_root2 working supposedly
• 1229[12:39:26] <Lyberta> do i just mount it as /?
• 1230[12:39:30] <rant> no
• 1231[12:39:39] <rant> initramfs pivots to root
• 1232[12:39:45] <rant> it currently IS the rootfs
• 1233[12:39:52] <rant> !pivot_root
• 1234[12:39:58] <rant> guess not :P
• 1235[12:40:00] <jelly> dpkg: ping
• 1236[12:40:00] <dpkg> Yes, jelly, you are online.
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• 1238[12:40:14] <rant> jelly: I was just guessing dpkg had an explaination of that
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• 1241[12:41:25] <rant> Lyberta: initramfs prompt is basically just a busybox shell.. you still have your usual utils for manually mounting only difference here is the pivoting of the root.. you can mount it anywhere, you just gotta use pivot_root
• 1242[12:41:27] <Lyberta> rant, "mount /dev/mapper/encrypted_root2 /root: Failed: No such file or directory" WTF???
• 1243[12:42:16] <jelly> it's busybox. Specify the right -t with mount.
• 1244[12:42:27] <rant> Lyberta: which part is no such file? is the container opened to /dev/mapper/encrypted_root2? does the /root directory exist?
• 1245[12:42:50] <jelly> and make sure the kernel modules for that filesystem are loaded
• 1246[12:43:00] <Lyberta> jelly, "can't find /root in /etc/fstab"
• 1247[12:43:34] <jelly> what was the exact command line that produced that message?
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• 1249[12:44:06] <Lyberta> jelly, ah, oops
• 1250[12:44:11] <exifbono> hello everyone. I have a computer at home running debian 9, I use it as a server since a while. After a power-down yesterday night (which may be a coincidence, idk) seems like I can't ssh into it. This is the output: replaced-url
• 1251[12:45:24] <jelly> exifbono: log in at the console, then 1) verify 192.168.1.15 is the right IP address and 2) verify sshd (ssh service daemon) is running
• 1252[12:45:41] <rant> exifbono: you can't usually ssh into a maching when its powered-down without sending a WOL packet :P but a refused connection means either a firwewall or the server isnt running
• 1253[12:45:54] <Lyberta> rant, jelly, ugh, I mounted it, then typed "exit" and it says "ALERT! /dev/mapper/encrypted_root doesn't exist! Dropping to shell"
• 1254[12:45:59] <exifbono> jelly, IP is correct and there is not ip conflict (just checked from the router)
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• 1256[12:46:55] * rant tosses Lyberta another memo about pivot_root :P
• 1257[12:47:01] <exifbono> I'll have to see if sshd is running... I don't have an HDMI monitor to check it though. Is there a file I can look at to make sure sshd is running at boot? (I can take the hard disk and look at it)
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• 1259[12:47:18] <Lyberta> rant, ??? what did I do wrong?
• 1260[12:48:02] <rant> Lyberta: you don't just "exit" initramfs and drop into a running system
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• 1262[12:48:16] <rant> you have to pivot_root to the newly mounted rootfs
• 1263[12:48:22] <Lyberta> rant, I... forgot how to process
• 1264[12:48:36] <Lyberta> rant, wait? that's command?...
• 1265[12:48:53] <rant> pretty sure.. idk much about pivot_root myself..
• 1266[12:49:09] <exifbono> jelly, to make things clear, sshd always started by itself in the past couple of months, this is pretty weird
• 1267[12:49:27] <rant> Lyberta: chroot changes a shell to another rootfs, pivot_root is more a system-wide thing
• 1268[12:50:21] * rant knows OF it but has never used it
• 1269[12:50:34] <Lyberta> rant, ugh, I'm pretty sure I could just exit after I manually mounted rootfs.... ugh
• 1270[12:51:20] <rant> idk, but I'm pretty sure you can't cause unless there is some kinda scripty thing setup, initramfs would still be the rootfs, and the real rootfs would just be a random fs mounted somewhere in its VFS
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• 1275[12:54:17] <jelly> exifbono: you cound inspect logs if doing offline forensics, but if boot process is stuck somewhere useful logs may not be written to disk
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• 1277[12:56:18] <Lyberta> rant, oh crap I forgot to change refind_linux.conf >_<
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• 1283[13:00:50] <exifbono> jelly, mmhm, I tried to add a service sshd start to my rc.local, so it should start, but I still have a connection refused
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• 1293[13:06:31] <rpifan> exifbono, why isnt ssh starting by itself
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• 1298[13:07:56] <Lyberta> rant, and I managed to boot! yay! just took me 5 hours, now I only need to setup NVRAM or whatever so it actually boots my system without bootloader from rescue drive
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• 1301[13:09:53] <exifbono> rpifan, no clue, I'd like to understand if that's the problem and why in case it is happening
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• 1305[13:11:04] <exifbono> I'm starting to doubt that it's about that though, as also the webserver is refusing to connect
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• 1307[13:11:38] <rpifan> did u check if the service is running at all
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• 1314[13:23:50] <exifbono> rpifan, trying to, but I can't have a video output as I don't have an HDMI monitor at hand, so I'm trying to solve it in a try and see fashion
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• 1316[13:24:15] <jelly> exifbono: did you look at logs, including systemd journal and syslog (/var/log/auth.log)?
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• 1330[13:33:51] <rpifan> hm
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• 1337[13:35:36] <a-l-e> i used to have a debian without any DE... now, i have installed lxqt
• 1338[13:35:52] <a-l-e> there is one thing that still does not work: gettting directly to the login manager.
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• 1343[13:36:46] <a-l-e> currently, on boot i get the console for login... as soon as i login, it start starts the sddm login manager.
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• 1345[13:37:07] <a-l-e> how can i get sddm to start instead of the console login? (or in parallel...)
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• 1347[13:37:38] <a-l-e> does anybody have an idea what i might have done wrong?
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• 1354[13:39:20] <a-l-e> i've run "dpkg-reconfigure sddm" but it did not help (it did nothing visible...)
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• 1364[13:48:25] <JPT> Is there an 80 character limit for cronjobs for files in /etc/cron.d/? I have issues that for some reason, my arguments get cut off
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• 1366[13:49:43] <JPT> Oh, nevermind. Percent signs might be what i'm looking for
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• 1376[13:55:27] <exifbono> YES, got it. thanks jelly and rpifan . Problem was, in case you care, that during last night powercut the hard disk which is mounted on /var had some superblock corruption. I fsck'd it from my pc and now it works. Thanks to you both for your help =)
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• 1387[14:01:13] <rpifan> ah
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• 1403[14:11:07] <crane> can someone explain me why python3.5, 3.6 and 3.7 are lacking python os.chflags()?
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• 1409[14:13:19] <crane> Looks like I found the answer myself... replaced-url
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• 1469[14:59:50] <rant> crane: fwiw there is #python
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• 1472[15:00:29] <crane> rant: yes, but the problem is more operation system specific then python. but thx :)
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• 1477[15:01:53] <rant> crane: its specific to debian yet the bug you posted is ubuntu?
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• 1502[15:18:53] <jelly> rant: the bug he posted shows the issue is linux-specific.
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• 1504[15:19:51] <jelly> (well, it's really an upstream issue)
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• 1513[15:28:40] <rant> jelly: yeah I didn't care enough to look into it but if its distro specific and ALSO occurs in debian and is not the same maintainers (have seen this recently in an issue I found), its usually important to ping the DD/DM
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• 1585[16:19:41] <bn`> Hello, I wish you nice holidays. How to completely disable the usage of SSL3 for cURL on Debian 9.4? Not just using the command line option, but in general.
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• 1593[16:24:59] <blackflow> bn`: I don't think there's a global switch. You'd have to block it at the individual use case level. In case of curl, iirc it's done by specifiying the minimum TLS level, eg with --tlsv1.0
• 1594[16:25:03] <jelly> bn`: maybe in ~/.curlrc ? man curl, read about --config
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• 1597[16:27:23] <blackflow> jelly: does that affect libcurl too?
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• 1600[16:28:14] <bn`> According to replaced-url
• 1601[16:28:20] <blackflow> quick googling suggests no though.
• 1602[16:28:23] <jelly> no idea. did they ask about libcurl?
• 1603[16:28:54] <bn`> But when I connect without SSL3 curl replaced-url
• 1604[16:28:55] <blackflow> jelly: I assumed from "not just using the command line option but in general"
• 1605[16:29:33] <jelly> bn`: is that the actual failing command?
• 1606[16:29:45] <jelly> "curl replaced-url
• 1607[16:29:52] <bn`> jelly, yes: curl replaced-url
• 1608[16:29:57] <jelly> wfm
• 1609[16:30:14] <jelly> bn`: which debian release is this, which curl package version
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• 1611[16:30:15] <Fox> wfm too
• 1612[16:30:19] <bn`> they must have some broken certificate or something else special. In the browser it works..
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• 1614[16:30:48] <Fox> bn`: works with curl on stretch too
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• 1616[16:31:20] <bn`> wfm here too, but not from two of my servers. the one server has an older debian version, the other server (which I tested on right now) has Debian 9.4
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• 1618[16:31:42] <greycat> so the first question is why you're 2 point releases behind
• 1619[16:32:41] <bn`> because the provider does not provide a newer version from the default install
• 1620[16:33:07] <greycat> so you update it
• 1621[16:33:08] <jelly> bn`: 9.4 ought to work if it's patched up
• 1622[16:33:16] <bn`> everything else runs stable
• 1623[16:33:17] <jelly> (ie. if it is 9.6 ;-)
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• 1631[16:34:39] <jelly> bn`: are you using /usr/bin/curl or some other random binary?
• 1632[16:34:52] <jelly> because "curl replaced-url
• 1633[16:35:05] <blackflow> plot thickens
• 1634[16:35:25] <bn`> simulated dist-upgrade.. it would install linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64 package, but I do not want to break the running server now..
• 1635[16:35:47] <iosecure> Installing a new kernel doesn't break the system.
• 1636[16:36:08] <jelly> hah
• 1637[16:36:11] <zamuro> unless you do something wrong.
• 1638[16:36:33] <jelly> rebooting, however, might break thing
• 1639[16:36:56] <bn`> iosecure, there is potential. especially with a remote system this could mean that I need to reinstall the whole operating system
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• 1641[16:37:37] <iosecure> Installing a new kernel writes to things that aren't being used by the current running system. If simply installing a new kernel package breaks things, find a new host, because their images are broken.
• 1642[16:37:41] <bn`> jelly, which curl tells me that it is /usr/bin/curl
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• 1646[16:39:05] <jelly> bn`: also pastebin the output of: "dpkg -l curl libcurl\* |grep '^.i'" and "ldd /usr/bin/curl" and "curl -v replaced-url
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• 1651[16:40:39] <aloo_shu> could it be that browser and curl are looking for local certs kn different places?
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• 1656[16:41:33] <bn`> jelly, replaced-url
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• 1659[16:43:17] <bn`> jelly, replaced-url
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• 1663[16:45:19] <jelly> after * TLSv1.2 (OUT), TLS handshake, Client hello (1): mine continues to * TLSv1.2 (IN), TLS handshake, Server hello (2):
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• 1672[16:47:19] <aloo_shu> i.e., would icecat or similar also have /etc/ssl/certs on top? you could backup and swap your certs just for ruling out, or compare md5 sums of relevant certs
• 1673[16:48:04] <bn`> Both servers are located in Russia. Is it possible that this issue is caused by Russian government to disable connections to the Telegram API? replaced-url
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• 1675[16:48:15] <jelly> bn`: absolutely yes
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• 1677[16:48:49] <jelly> if something is tampering with ssl traffic it might result in similar issues
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• 1683[16:50:00] <steelgolem> It's not just you! raspbian.mirror.colo-serv.net looks down from here.
• 1684[16:50:01] <jelly> bn`: you might install testssl.sh, and pastebin the output of: testssl replaced-url
• 1685[16:50:05] <steelgolem> aaaaaaaand that's why i'm having all these problems
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• 1688[16:50:46] <bn`> jelly, ok I see and understand now. The irony is that we are using servers in Russia (which is outside of the EU) because of the suppression of freedom of speech inside of the EU.
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• 1691[16:51:31] <iosecure> wat
• 1692[16:51:31] <jelly> bn`: good choice there!
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• 1696[16:53:01] <blackflow> I hear north korean servers are even better, total absolute freedom of speech!
• 1697[16:53:21] <jelly> bn`: that does not explain how your browser running on the same machine still works
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• 1702[16:55:35] <joepublic> In the United States, your Internet traffic is merely copied wholesale for offline surveillance. replaced-url
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• 1710[16:58:57] <bn`> jelly, Confirmed. I am able to connect correctly from the Russian server to api.telegram.org by specifying a socks5 preproxy
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• 1712[17:01:15] <bn`> joepublic, I got a law suit here in Germany regarding StGB §130 because I commented something on Facebook. I am going to tell them something about my basic and human rights. Things are getting worse these days. The nwo is panicking because sheeple are waking up in masses.
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• 1714[17:01:31] <jelly> bn`: can you confirm the browser actually opening a connection via proxy and not directly, and connection going out the from the expected server running the proxy? (also, I do not know what "preproxy" means)
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• 1719[17:02:57] <bn`> jelly, no it is not about any browser (I am located in Germany). Only about curl running on the server (which is located in Russia).
• 1720[17:03:36] <bn`> and for curl I can confirm it because without the preproxy parameter it does not establish a connection successfully and with that parameter it does
• 1721[17:04:00] <bn`> this works not (error like described before): curl replaced-url
• 1722[17:04:10] * blackflow checks Facebook stocks. See them soaring. Nah, the sheeple are WELL asleep. No panic there.
• 1723[17:04:22] <bn`> this works just like on my local machine: curl --preproxy socks5://207.154.233.200:1080 replaced-url
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• 1727[17:05:33] <jelly> bn`: 207.154.233.200 seems to be DigitalOcean, that does not sound hosted in .ru
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• 1730[17:07:22] <bn`> jelly, yes, that is why the connection via this proxy to api.telegram.org works
• 1731[17:07:24] <iosecure> Let me get this straight. Someone in Germany gets legally dinged for violating the German laws against inciting racial/religous hatred (StGB 130), and responds to this by moving their servers to RUSSIA... for free speech reasons... and is now complaining about the New World Order.
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• 1733[17:07:37] <iosecure> I'm going back to bed.
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• 1739[17:08:19] <jelly> bn`: so much about roskomnadzor's deep packet inspection, if they can't figure out a socks tunnel
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• 1742[17:08:35] <bn`> iosecure, you are not getting the complete picture. It's not the reason why we are using servers outside the EU, but it is one reason more why I get pissed by political correctness.
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• 1744[17:08:52] <bn`> jelly :)
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• 1747[17:10:16] <jelly> iosecure: hate speech is a subset of free speech!
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• 1749[17:10:40] <iosecure> Sir Karl Popper wishes to have a word, good sir.
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• 1755[17:12:25] <jelly> bn`: and that's your main problem right there.
• 1756[17:12:33] <jelly> bn`: you used facebook.
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• 1759[17:13:15] <bn`> jelly, well yes, because of the reachability. But you are absolutely right
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• 1772[17:19:52] <jelly> (I am jesting. Hate speech is a bad thing too, not just fb. Hello NSA, and happy belated Christmas!)
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• 1774[17:21:00] <bn`> lol
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• 1822[17:54:44] <fred__tv__> HI, would "systemctl disable <service>" be enough to prevent it from run at every boot without uninstall it ?
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• 1826[17:55:15] <drunk_beard> ʘ‿ʘ
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• 1828[17:55:33] <jasabella> fred__tv__… look into systemctl mask if you really want to disable something
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• 1844[18:01:53] <fred__tv__> nice ! first time dealing with "mask" , thanks
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• 1907[18:39:58] <jelly> drunk_beard: are you a human?
• 1908[18:40:03] <drunk_beard> jelly: you refering to base-16 numbers - part a bit wetting pam's face with her, said the red slit of becky's room we really never noticed the tears D:
• 1909[18:40:46] <jelly> drunk_beard: I'm taking that as a no
• 1910[18:40:50] <drunk_beard> jelly: i'm taking that... thing in percodan becomes naltrexone, a drug felony. see united kingdom 1414 0 157 1205 8<
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• 1960[19:01:21] <VLMC> Hello! I'm stuck with a Debian Sid machine that no longer boots after uninstalling some nvidia packages. Basically, the machine's SSD is LUKS-encrypted, but initcpio can no longer find the lvm partition. I have attempted to chroot into the drive using a Ubuntu LiveCD, but mkinitcpio keeps failing for various reasons
• 1961[19:01:45] <VLMC> I'll boot back into the LiveCD and get the exact error messages for mkinitcpio
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• 1963[19:02:20] <annadane> the channel for testing/sid is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, might want to head over there
• 1964[19:02:27] <VLMC> Thanks, annadane
• 1965[19:02:57] <VLMC> My machine is like a mix of Debian 9 and Sid
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• 1968[19:04:16] <n4dir> that only makes it worse.
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• 1970[19:04:36] <VLMC> hahaha
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• 1972[19:04:50] <annadane> yeah, do not recommend
• 1973[19:04:52] <annadane> !frankendebian
• 1974[19:04:52] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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• 1978[19:06:07] <VLMC> Ok so I'll fix that first, and then join #debian-next
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• 1980[19:06:45] <lexiyntax> I strongly suggest partitioning normally and making sub-partitions encrypted instead of doing whole disk raw encryption if using OS level encryption. Too easy to get bitten by tools futzing with the head of the disk and trashing the entire thing by trying to encrypt at too high of a level, I got bitten by that twice before I stopped doing it that way.
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• 1983[19:08:31] <VLMC> lexiyntax: I've personally encountered situations where I ran out of disk space for either my home partition or my root partition and had to re-partition, so I've avoided that
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• 1990[19:11:50] <jelly> VLMC: do you mean mkinitramfs, or update-initramfs? Where does "mkinitcpio" come from?
• 1991[19:12:07] <VLMC> jelly: my bad, I mean mkinitramfs and update-initramfs
• 1992[19:12:09] <VLMC> tried both
• 1993[19:12:34] <VLMC> replaced-url
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• 1995[19:13:08] <jelly> alright
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• 1997[19:13:28] <jelly> VLMC: if you have an older kernel try to boot that
• 1998[19:13:34] <VLMC> jelly: I did
• 1999[19:13:57] <VLMC> No change, right now though it seems like the UEFI on my T430s just straight up stopped working
• 2000[19:14:50] <jelly> so no obvious fix. Ask in the right channel, then
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• 2016[19:23:06] <rootkea> Hello! I am using Debian Stretch on Dell 15R Inspiron laptop with synaptics touchpad driver. At times, out of nowhere the touchpad just hangs and doesn't move the cursor at all. Even the touchpad clicks (left & right both) don't work.
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• 2020[19:23:52] <rootkea> For every those times I unload and load psmouse manually `modprobe -r psmouse` and `modprobe psmouse` and the touchpad starts to work agagin.
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• 2024[19:24:22] <rootkea> How can I fix this issue permanently?
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• 2027[19:27:39] <joepublic> I would bind some key to run a script that runs those commands, reducing my inconvenience to just the need to control-alt-start-working-again-darn-you
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• 2029[19:28:08] <joepublic> But admittedly, that is a hacky workaround and not the answer to your perfectly reasonable question.
• 2030[19:28:34] <areyouloco> rootkea: once i had similar issue on my friends laptop and problem was solved by some psmouse kernel module parameter. doesn't remember what was that
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• 2032[19:29:57] <rootkea> areyouloco, I see. Let me read more on psmouse then. Thanks!
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• 2034[19:30:29] <joepublic> I turn off my four monitors at night on my primary workstation (this machine) and when i turn it back on xrandr/xfce have forgotten the monitor config. I have control-alt-calculatorbutton mapped to a script that calls xrandr and sets the monitors back up.
• 2035[19:30:51] <joepublic> Whereas a sane person might have figured out why the problem was happening and set things up so that it doesn't.
• 2036[19:31:17] <areyouloco> joepublic: workaround is around no?
• 2037[19:31:43] <joepublic> *shrug* yep. A working workaround is devastating to my level of curiosity as to why something does not work.
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• 2044[19:41:17] <bleb> i installed debian alongside some other os partitions, now can't boot
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• 2046[19:43:11] <bleb> says "file /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found" and enteres grub rescue
• 2047[19:43:50] <areyouloco> bleb: try boot repair cd and reinstall grub
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• 2049[19:46:09] <bleb> areyouloco: is that the same as "rescue mode" in the install media?
• 2050[19:46:13] <Kobaz> weird
• 2051[19:46:26] <Kobaz> i was getting crazy static on audio, restarted pulseaudio and that fixed it
• 2052[19:46:42] <Kobaz> like fuzzy whitenoise type static
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• 2064[19:55:46] <bleb> areyouloco: grub reinstall worked; thanks
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• 2095[20:13:50] <jhutchins_wk> !fixgrub
• 2096[20:13:50] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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• 2159[20:50:17] <altker128> Hey guys. Anyone here ever setup Kerberos?
• 2160[20:50:48] <altker128> Trying to understand some high-level kerberos concepts
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• 2162[20:52:50] <blackflow> altker128: does this help? replaced-url
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• 2166[20:54:43] <altker128> blackflow: Just skimmed it. I was trying to figure out some thoughts on LDAP vs. Kerberos authentication ; I notice a lot of "web apps" support LDAP for an aunthentication, was trying to understand using that as an authentication mechanism vs. Kerberos, etc
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• 2172[20:58:30] <lexiyntax> I'd suggest also looking into token technologies like oauth, for most needs kerberos should probably be considered outdated.
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• 2205[21:19:23] <jhutchins_wk> altker128: Kerberos is most often use in machine-to-machine authentication, LDAP for centralized user login.
• 2206[21:20:12] <jhutchins_wk> altker128: They're not really interchangable, FreeIPA uses kerberos machine authentication to manage LDAP user authentication.
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• 2225[21:34:48] <altker128> jhutchins_wk: Have you worked with FreeIPA before?
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• 2227[21:35:43] <altker128> I'm NOT trying to support mixed Windows/Linux machines ; basically trying to use LDAP for authentication of services, like wiki's, git, etc.
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• 2256[22:01:05] <jhutchins_wk> We have a 389 (Fedora) LDAP system configured by parties no longer known, we're doing prep work and testing to replace it with FreeIPA.
• 2257[22:01:17] <jhutchins_wk> We elected NOT to integrate with AD at this time.
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• 2295[22:29:35] <jhutchins_wk> altker128: Like anything else, it needs to be set up properly. I think it probably works fine, but it wasn't my decision. FreeIPA has more features (and complexity).
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• 2395[23:46:01] <jak2000> hi all how to update/upgrade my java version from 171 to 172 ? thanks
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• 2397[23:49:18] <iosecure> Is there a reason why you need that release?
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• 2400[23:51:15] <jak2000> iosecure know java?
• 2401[23:51:43] <iosecure> Yes. Though that's not an answer.
• 2402[23:51:45] <jak2000> see: please: how to fix this error: replaced-url
• 2403[23:51:48] <altker128> jak2000: Why not download that release from Sun then?
• 2404[23:52:11] <altker128> jak2000: Get the JRE by logging into Oracle and downloading it
• 2405[23:52:17] <jak2000> in java channel recommend me: <surial> jak2000: the official oracle suggested solutions to this issue are to either [A] downgrade to 1.8.0_181 or 1.8.0_172, or [B] upgrade to JDK 11. or [C] Downgrade to 151
• 2406[23:52:37] <jak2000> apt remove java not work
• 2407[23:52:42] <jak2000> how to delete all java (first).
• 2408[23:54:14] <altker128> apt-get purge <name_of_package>
• 2409[23:54:26] <altker128> You need to know the exact name of the package you have
• 2410[23:54:43] <jak2000> mmm whereis java: /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/bin/java /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/bin/java /usr/share/man/man1/java.1.gz
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• 2413[23:55:38] <altker128> That's the java binary . You got the binary in some way. If it was through a Debian package, you need to un-install the package
• 2414[23:56:11] <jak2000> :(
• 2415[23:57:29] <altker128> jak2000: You could be "dirty" and just delete the binaries, and then download whatever you need from Sun and manually overwrite/install
• 2416[23:57:36] <altker128> That depends on how much you care
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• 2419[23:58:22] <bleb> how does the popularity contest measure daily usage?
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• 2421[23:58:23] <aloo_shu> you could first check installed packages searching java/jre
• 2422[23:58:35] <aloo_shu> ie in synaptic
• 2423[23:59:03] <altker128> ^^
• 2424[23:59:18] <aloo_shu> you don't want to end up with broken packages
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