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• 10[00:04:02] <InvisibleRasta> ah allright
• 11[00:04:40] <joepublic> ,v sudo
• 12[00:04:41] <judd> Package: sudo on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.8.5p2-1+nmu3+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.8.5p2-1+nmu3+deb7u4; jessie-security: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u4; jessie: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u5; stretch: 1.8.19p1-2.1; buster: 1.8.26-2; sid: 1.8.26-2
• 13[00:04:53] <annadane> i'm not sure where you're looking if you can't find it
• 14[00:04:59] <annadane> sudo will always be in the stable repository
• 15[00:05:17] <annadane> it's just not installed by default
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• 17[00:06:27] <InvisibleRasta> well i figured out i couldnt find it in the repos cause i had my sources list messed up
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• 20[00:06:51] <annadane> quite
• 21[00:06:52] <InvisibleRasta> this sources list generator is broken replaced-url
• 22[00:06:59] <annadane> !stretch sources.list
• 23[00:06:59] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 24[00:07:08] <annadane> stay away from the big bad internet and ask the lovely #debian folks
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• 27[00:08:22] <InvisibleRasta> thenext release will be buster right?
• 28[00:08:33] <annadane> correct
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• 30[00:09:21] <InvisibleRasta> is it stable as every day usage yet or shall i jsut keep good old stretch
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• 33[00:09:49] <annadane> i'd stay with stretch
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• 35[00:10:04] <annadane> it depends on what your use case is
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• 41[00:11:26] <joepublic> testing is not as stable as stable for everyday usage. only stable gets debian-security updates. only stable is as stable as stable.
• 42[00:11:27] <n4dir> as soon someone asks "is it stable enough" or such, then it isn't. Because it can break anytime.
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• 45[00:12:03] <n4dir> if someone doesn't care about that, then it might be the right choice (and still might not be. I can think of better things then reparaing a broken system).
• 46[00:12:17] <annadane> it's just kind of, do you want to spend time fixing your computer or using your computer
• 47[00:12:33] <annadane> stay with stable until you have a compelling reason not to
• 48[00:12:46] <shtrb> There was the bug that can make buster boot hang for an hour ...
• 49[00:12:49] <n4dir> well, annadane, if i could be sure it only breaks when i got plenty of time ...
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• 51[00:13:12] <n4dir> experience seems to show that it is always the other way around.
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• 56[00:14:21] <InvisibleRasta> is there an available repo with pycharm. i cant find a way to install it
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• 58[00:14:26] <n4dir> i'd always say use any form of test-box and see for yourself.
• 59[00:15:20] <bites> you get the upstream tarball for pycharm, unpack it and run it from there.
• 60[00:15:53] <joepublic> the answer to almost all of your "is there an available repo" questions is going to be "fix your sources.list to have the three entries shown above and apt-get update"
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• 62[00:16:11] <annadane> (though pycharm is not part of any debian release)
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• 64[00:16:24] <joepublic> hence the "almost" :)
• 65[00:16:26] <InvisibleRasta> joepublic: pycharm is not in debian repos for some reason
• 66[00:16:43] <annadane> apparently they have a paid version and a free version with less functionality. or something.
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• 68[00:17:15] <joepublic> debian does not do "freemium"
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• 70[00:17:46] <joepublic> I think you can install pycharm with snapd, but if not and the system breaks, you get to keep both pieces: replaced-url
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• 72[00:17:56] <bites> debian could package pycharm-ce. it just needs someone that actually wants to maintain it.
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• 74[00:19:03] <blackflow> don't need snapd. just unpack it somewhere and run from there.
• 75[00:19:36] <blackflow> and it's not freemium. pycharm-ce is fully functional. I use it for $work daily.
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• 77[00:19:48] <InvisibleRasta> i guess then debian offers any other python ide editor with similar options as pycharm?
• 78[00:19:55] <blackflow> it's just taht the paid version comes with a ton of additional features.
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• 80[00:20:18] <blackflow> InvisibleRasta: if you find one, lemme know. Meanwhile, Netbeans and Eclipse can do python.
• 81[00:20:21] <joepublic> so, fullier functionalier?
• 82[00:20:33] <blackflow> joepublic: not unlike gitlab :)
• 83[00:22:16] <bites> except the state of eclipse is piss poor in debian.
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• 86[00:22:59] <InvisibleRasta> shall pycharm be instlled in /opt/ as they say in the pycharm site?
• 87[00:23:06] <blackflow> I do.
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• 91[00:23:23] <InvisibleRasta> ill do to then
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• 291[02:42:08] <squarecircle> ohai
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• 293[02:42:26] <squarecircle> whts the best way to boot to a desktop and show a vm fullscreen
• 294[02:42:27] <squarecircle> ?
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• 298[02:45:32] <vlt> squarecircle: I use nodm
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• 304[02:54:48] <awal1> squarecircle, virtualbox or qemu-kvm or ...?
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• 317[03:07:31] <squarecircle> qemu-kvm
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• 338[03:31:42] <awal1> squarecircle, 'nodm' for autologin as you have been told
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• 340[03:32:24] <awal1> qemu-kvm have no support for fullscreen mode for guest os right now
• 341[03:33:03] <awal1> squarecircle, you can fullscreen qemu-kvm window itself but no the guest
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• 345[03:34:52] <awal1> you can do with virtualbox via 'virtualbox-guest-dkms/utils/x11' installing them in the guest
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• 347[03:35:12] <awal1> supposing your guest is debian
• 348[03:35:32] <awal1> not sure about other gnu/linux OS or Windows
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• 351[03:36:29] <__m4ch1n3__> Hello! How do I change how long it takes until monitor powersaving turns monitor blank/sleep from commandline?
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• 358[03:37:40] <__m4ch1n3__> I have only openbox-session as DE so there is no fancy powermanager gui
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• 380[03:55:30] <__m4ch1n3__> powersaving commandline how?
• 381[03:55:37] <__m4ch1n3__> over and out
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• 390[04:04:07] <rwp> __m4ch1n3__, Use the 'xset' command. Run it without args for a usage message. "xset q" to query it for current settings.
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• 424[04:41:45] <squarecircle> thank you vlt awal1
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• 538[06:06:33] <multi_io> your paste thingy wants to run flash
• 539[06:07:09] <multi_io> anyway
• 540[06:07:28] <multi_io> cron seems to be broken: replaced-url
• 541[06:07:49] <multi_io> or what am I doing wrong there?
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• 563[06:23:31] <tomreyn> multi_io: what is "your paste thing"?
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• 566[06:25:16] <__m4ch1n3__> multi_io, did you made olaf executable?
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• 568[06:25:49] <tomreyn> also it should have been crontabS on that path
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• 571[06:26:22] <tomreyn> oh it is, sorry, my bad
• 572[06:27:07] <tomreyn> but ownership + permissions will be wrong on this file
• 573[06:27:40] <tomreyn> needs to be olaf:crontab, 0600
• 574[06:28:18] <tomreyn> same for the users' crontabs directory.
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• 577[06:31:56] * multi_io tries that
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• 583[06:36:03] <multi_io> hm, indeed, with 0600 olaf:crontab it seems to work, thanks
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• 586[06:37:08] <multi_io> seems to be wholly undocumented
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• 588[06:38:09] <multi_io> probably because the crontab tool usually handles this
• 589[06:38:27] <tomreyn> right, you're not using the documented approach to installa crontab
• 590[06:38:41] <tomreyn> so dont expect things to work
• 591[06:38:53] <multi_io> I'm trying to run cron in a docker container, hence this approach
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• 594[06:39:22] <multi_io> would be nice if -f also caused the logs to go to stdout :D
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• 599[06:41:12] <tomreyn> that'd be unexpected. you can always redirect them, though
• 600[06:41:42] <multi_io> "your paste thing" = the site that /msg dpkg paste recommends
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• 602[06:42:55] <tomreyn> it recommends several sites
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• 604[06:44:25] <multi_io> ok, right
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• 756[08:37:59] <c|oneman> how do I continue typing stuff while im waiting for a command to finish
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• 762[08:41:03] <rudi_s> c|oneman: Use a separate terminal (either via a new terminal emulator window, screen or tmux).
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• 765[08:41:37] <rudi_s> You can put commands in the background with Ctrl-Z and can keep them running in the back with bg, but that does not work for interactive commands or programs with output.
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• 767[08:43:11] <c|oneman> okay. just making sure im not doing something inefficient
• 768[08:43:39] <rudi_s> ;-)
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• 770[08:44:26] <rudi_s> If you have the screen space and are comfortable with it, the simplest are multiple terminal emulator windows.
• 771[08:44:52] <rudi_s> screen/tmux multiplex multiple terminals inside a single terminal window. Then you can switch between them (and do some other cool stuff) by pressing a specific key combination.
• 772[08:44:55] <rudi_s> c|oneman: ^
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• 808[09:12:21] <trysten> I have <Location "/"> RewriteRule (.*) replaced-url
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• 811[09:14:52] <at0m> trysten: for specific programs, maybe try their dedicated channels? #apache
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• 1061[11:34:06] <quantumman> hello, does anyone know how to fix stuttering on VLC? I am running optimus system : lspci | grep -i vga
• 1062[11:34:07] <quantumman> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 591b (rev 04)
• 1063[11:34:07] <quantumman> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP106M [GeForce GTX 1060 Mobile] (rev ff)
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• 1069[11:36:29] <diogenes_> quantumman, stuttering?
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• 1074[11:37:47] <quantumman> like I constantly see line blinking in the film
• 1075[11:38:29] <quantumman> the picture stutters replaced-url
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• 1078[11:40:54] <diogenes_> quantumman, glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
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• 1080[11:41:26] <quantumman> @diogenes_ OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Kabylake GT2
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• 1082[11:42:48] <diogenes_> and if you run: optirun vlc
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• 1084[11:44:54] <quantumman> here diogenes_, replaced-url
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• 1092[11:48:11] <diogenes_> quantumman, optirun glxspheres
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• 1094[11:48:15] <diogenes_> does it work?
• 1095[11:48:39] <quantumman> [981099.580471] [ERROR]Error running "glxspheres": No such file or directory
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• 1097[11:49:08] <quantumman> glxgears?
• 1098[11:49:41] <quantumman> glxgears works
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• 1101[11:51:16] <diogenes_> quantumman, optirun glxgears, not just glxgears
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• 1103[11:51:51] <quantumman> done optirun glxgears works
• 1104[11:52:07] <diogenes_> ok, is vlc from debian repos?
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• 1107[11:53:55] <quantumman> yes it is, I check my synaptic package manger
• 1108[11:54:00] <quantumman> *manager
• 1109[11:54:11] <quantumman> it's listed there
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• 1111[11:54:41] <diogenes_> the fact that it's listed in synaptic doesn't mean at all that it's installed from debian repos
• 1112[11:55:16] <diogenes_> try to apt purge vlc to remove it completely then, apt install vlc
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• 1115[11:59:34] <quantumman> done, still stuttering abit
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• 1118[11:59:59] <quantumman> should I try optirun vlc again
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• 1127[12:03:35] <quantumman> diogenes_, here's a vlc without the optirun replaced-url
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• 1129[12:05:01] <quantumman> Here's optirun vlc again replaced-url
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• 1131[12:06:22] <quantumman> looks the same on optirun vlc, but I found additional information on 'vlc move_example.mp4' in replaced-url
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• 1155[12:19:19] <diogenes_> quantumman, and what about mplayer, mpv, smplayer
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• 1160[12:23:52] <quantumman> smplayer - same, parole media player -same
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• 1162[12:24:09] <quantumman> It's like a flickering really annoying
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• 1164[12:24:39] <quantumman> sometimes with stuttering
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• 1166[12:24:57] <quantumman> diogenes_, This is my system information inc dmesg
• 1167[12:24:57] <quantumman> replaced-url
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• 1171[12:27:43] <diogenes_> quantumman, ok let's try a trick
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• 1173[12:28:10] <quantumman> sounds good diogenes_ what's your idea :)
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• 1175[12:28:30] <diogenes_> quantumman, just a sec, gonna finish my game :)
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• 1183[12:32:32] <diogenes_> quantumman, run: sudo touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
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• 1187[12:36:47] <quantumman> touch: cannot touch '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf': No such file or directory
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• 1190[12:37:38] <diogenes_> quantumman, run: ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
• 1191[12:37:43] <diogenes_> tell me what you get
• 1192[12:38:02] <jasabella> hello, i just upgraded my testing and now it wont boot, i dont even get to grub - did i do something silly like not update grub after upgrading lvm?
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• 1194[12:38:48] <quantumman> bash: cd: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d: No such file or directory
• 1195[12:38:56] <diogenes_> quantumman, sudo mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && sudo touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
• 1196[12:39:40] <quantumman> diogenes_ I have done this before if I do this sometimes I get the black screen of death
• 1197[12:39:56] <diogenes_> don't worry
• 1198[12:40:04] <diogenes_> did you run it?
• 1199[12:40:05] <quantumman> just a black screen when logging back in
• 1200[12:40:08] <jasabella> (fwiw everything is intact, i can mount the lvm vg in a live env, /boot isnt under lvm)
• 1201[12:40:38] <diogenes_> quantumman, you probably did xorg.conf, that one causes black screen
• 1202[12:40:50] <diogenes_> of course if you don't know what youa re doing
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• 1204[12:41:37] <quantumman> done
• 1205[12:41:50] <diogenes_> quantumman, now run: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
• 1206[12:42:03] <diogenes_> open this link: replaced-url
• 1207[12:42:17] <diogenes_> copy it's content into the nano terminal
• 1208[12:42:36] <quantumman> done
• 1209[12:42:39] <diogenes_> after that you hit: ctrl+o and save
• 1210[12:42:44] <diogenes_> then ctrl+x to exit
• 1211[12:42:59] <quantumman> yep got it
• 1212[12:43:02] <jasabella> hmmm maybe i need to update-initramfs
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• 1214[12:43:13] <diogenes_> after that run: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 1216[12:43:17] <diogenes_> share the link
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• 1224[12:44:45] <quantumman> I don't have netcat
• 1225[12:44:58] <diogenes_> then just pastebin it
• 1226[12:45:00] <quantumman> I can send you the MD5 sum?
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• 1228[12:45:14] <diogenes_> pastebin cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
• 1229[12:46:31] <quantumman> replaced-url
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• 1232[12:47:22] <diogenes_> quantumman, looks good, before you reboot, keep in mind this command: sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
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• 1234[12:47:34] <diogenes_> if you get the black screen (you shouldn't)
• 1235[12:47:43] <quantumman> yep good I will
• 1236[12:47:50] <quantumman> then come back here right
• 1237[12:47:50] <diogenes_> ok reboot
• 1238[12:47:55] <diogenes_> yes
• 1239[12:48:08] <quantumman> Okay see you in abit
• 1240[12:48:16] <diogenes_> hopefully XD
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• 1252[12:53:59] <quantumman> back
• 1253[12:54:04] <quantumman> thank god!
• 1254[12:54:06] <quantumman> lol
• 1255[12:54:10] <diogenes_> hehe
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• 1258[12:54:28] <diogenes_> what about the issue?
• 1259[12:54:28] <quantumman> last time i tried xorg.conf
• 1260[12:54:37] <quantumman> drove me nuts lol
• 1261[12:54:41] <quantumman> checking now
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• 1268[12:57:38] <quantumman> still flickering
• 1269[12:57:44] <quantumman> choppy as
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• 1271[12:58:43] <diogenes_> quantumman, then most likely you might want to try a newer kernel to get a better support for your graphics
• 1272[13:00:00] <quantumman> diogenes_, Linux ethos 4.9.0-8-amd64 is my kernel
• 1273[13:00:22] <diogenes_> just as another try is to: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
• 1274[13:00:26] <diogenes_> and change
• 1275[13:00:46] <diogenes_> uxa
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• 1277[13:00:48] <diogenes_> to sna
• 1278[13:01:05] <diogenes_> reboot and try again, if doesn't help, then try a newer kernel
• 1279[13:01:12] <diogenes_> 4.15 4.18
• 1280[13:01:29] <quantumman> okay see you soon
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• 1298[13:07:34] <quantumman> diogenes_, is there anyway to know the "right" kernel to install?
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• 1301[13:08:13] <diogenes_> quantumman, what is the release year of your cpu
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• 1303[13:10:18] <at0m> dpkg: tell quantumman about bumblebee
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• 1306[13:10:49] <diogenes_> at0m, he already has bbee
• 1307[13:11:15] <at0m> and he knows how to use it?
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• 1310[13:11:56] <at0m> i dont think vlc uses bumblebee, since it's "stuttering and pixelated"
• 1311[13:12:10] <at0m> s/uses/is told to use
• 1312[13:12:33] <quantumman> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz - launch date Q1'17
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• 1316[13:13:24] <diogenes_> quantumman, so the year is 2018?
• 1317[13:13:27] <at0m> 5yo i5 and old nvidia here, vlc plays all i got nicely without the nvidia card even
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• 1319[13:13:43] <diogenes_> oh 2017
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• 1322[13:13:59] <diogenes_> quantumman, so try 4.15 kernel forst
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• 1324[13:14:02] <diogenes_> first*
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• 1336[13:17:23] <quantumman> at0m, personally I find with the drivers installed I get a much sharper viewing experience although the sacrifice is the stuttering and tearing on the VLC
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• 1338[13:17:43] <quantumman> noveau drivers was what I was using last
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• 1345[13:19:34] <quantumman> diogenes_, should I do a backup?
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• 1347[13:20:16] <diogenes_> quantumman, if you got anything precious then you must have backups in any case
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• 1349[13:20:36] <diogenes_> when it comes about kernel upgrade it won't affect anything
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• 1352[13:21:07] <quantumman> persistent mounts won't be an issue?
• 1353[13:21:07] <diogenes_> you need to keep the previous kernels too in case you can't boot the newest ones you can revert to the older ones
• 1354[13:21:25] <diogenes_> won't be a problem
• 1355[13:21:26] <quantumman> oh okay that makes perfect sense
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• 1361[13:23:56] <quantumman> diogenes_, can't see 4.15. Got 4.17 and 4.18
• 1362[13:24:14] <quantumman> should I try 4.17 as its the next one up?
• 1363[13:24:20] <diogenes_> yes try that one
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• 1372[13:29:28] <quantumman> okay restarting now
• 1373[13:29:31] <quantumman> see ya
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• 1388[13:36:51] <samba35> how do i search or get the all kernel/grub loadable option ?
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• 1390[13:37:56] <samba35> say i want to check vfio or acs ,kernel or grub cmdline option
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• 1397[13:42:19] <quantumman> diogenes_, MATE it worked!!!
• 1398[13:42:26] <quantumman> so much better
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• 1401[13:43:30] <diogenes_> quantumman, if you try 4.19, might be even better XD
• 1402[13:43:38] <diogenes_> but not guaranteed
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• 1404[13:44:00] <diogenes_> so if it works well then leave it like that
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• 1424[13:56:08] <quantumman> diogenes_, I'll keep it like this as the 4.18 kernel looks complicated - i think they might still be working on it
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• 1427[13:57:09] <diogenes_> quantumman, ok
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• 1430[13:58:09] <quantumman> thanks man I really appreciate it mate
• 1431[13:58:22] <quantumman> it's been so annoying lol
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• 1437[14:03:23] <diogenes_> quantumman, no problem :)
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• 1451[14:09:45] <Sellerie> Hi
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• 1453[14:10:23] <Sellerie> Is this a place where I can ask for support?
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• 1456[14:10:36] <diogenes_> yes
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• 1459[14:11:02] <Sellerie> Nice
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• 1461[14:12:05] <Sellerie> Well I have a T430 that I installed Debian on a long time ago. This is the only installation I have that actually boots
• 1462[14:12:15] <Sellerie> (It's buster)
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• 1468[14:13:35] <Sellerie> I tried reinstalling Debian 9 and 10 last evening. It installs fine, but, after I chose the new Debian installation in GRUB to boot, I only get a black screen
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• 1472[14:14:39] <diogenes_> Sellerie, in grub try to add nomodeset option
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• 1474[14:16:13] <Sellerie> as last entry in the linux line?
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• 1478[14:17:28] <diogenes_> Sellerie, yes
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• 1484[14:19:50] <Sellerie> Glad I have that broken Debian install laying around on that drive RN
• 1485[14:20:24] <Sellerie> I removed the `quiet` and added `nomodeset`, but now I get a non-blinking cursor at the top left of my screen
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• 1490[14:22:12] <Sellerie> yep, nothing's happening on that one
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• 1496[14:25:50] <Sellerie> There also seems to be no more harddrive activity anymore as the HDD led stays dark after that
• 1497[14:26:00] <diogenes_> Sellerie, then instead of nomodeset
• 1498[14:26:07] <diogenes_> try: acpi=off
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• 1500[14:27:02] <Sellerie> Still nothing
• 1501[14:28:24] <diogenes_> weird
• 1502[14:28:40] <Sellerie> I am out of ideas too, that's why I came here :)
• 1503[14:29:05] <diogenes_> what DE did you pick?
• 1504[14:29:11] <Sellerie> btw current archlinux live disks work, also the installer works flawlessly (as far das it seems to install a working OS)
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• 1506[14:29:16] <Sellerie> KDE and XFCE
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• 1508[14:29:43] <Sellerie> but that should come to relevance yet, as I have an encrypted harddrive and its not even asking for the password
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• 1511[14:29:50] <diogenes_> and how did you partition the drive also what is the filesystem?
• 1512[14:30:30] <Sellerie> its dos partition table (BIOS), /boot (ext4) 1G, luks, in the container ext4
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• 1516[14:32:23] <diogenes_> Sellerie, i'd suggest to re-install using one of these isos: replaced-url
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• 1543[14:47:32] <velix> Can I make cronjobs output to systemd's journal or do I need to write my own timer service?
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• 1545[14:47:58] <velix> Right now, neither stdout, nor stderr are written to the journal
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• 1548[14:48:20] <GNU\colossus> velix, you can use `systemd-run` in your cronjob to run whatever command you're executing in a transient service unit
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• 1551[14:48:35] <velix> GNU\colossus: oh! let me try. thx
• 1552[14:48:48] <GNU\colossus> also, there's systemd timer units. they can fully replace cron.
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• 1556[14:49:38] <velix> GNU\colossus: Yeah, I've played with it some minutes ago... but cron is sooo simple :D
• 1557[14:49:41] <velix> GNU\colossus: thanks, it works.
• 1558[14:49:50] <velix> I think, systemd timer is cleaner, isn't it?
• 1559[14:50:03] <velix> No mixing of "old" and "new".
• 1560[14:50:10] <GNU\colossus> it is cleaner in my book, yeah
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• 1562[14:50:32] <GNU\colossus> but I do appreciate some of cron's behaviours - like getting output mailed.
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• 1565[14:50:55] <velix> GNU\colossus: Wow, systemd can't do this?
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• 1568[14:51:13] <GNU\colossus> we're increasingly migrating towards systemd timers (because the journal integration and management experience is far superior over cron), and implemented _some_ features ourselves
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• 1570[14:51:29] <GNU\colossus> like getting an email if the service unit the timer triggers fails
• 1571[14:51:49] <GNU\colossus> I'm not aware of a "native" solution to that problem in systemd
• 1572[14:52:27] <velix> :(
• 1573[14:52:53] <Sellerie> Ok, interesting. The debian live iso is booting
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• 1576[14:53:35] <GNU\colossus> velix, your systemd unit can have custom (and default) "OnFailure" properties
• 1577[14:53:45] <GNU\colossus> it's where we handle sending mail for failed timer-triggered units
• 1578[14:53:50] <AebianWeb> anyone here uses QEMU? I'm connected via VNC to my debian box but for some reason the mouse and keyboard are not working inside the VM in QEMU. Debian is latest 9.5. Tried different desktop environments but still same issue,
• 1579[14:53:55] <GNU\colossus> it's very convenient, but you have to know you can do it :)
• 1580[14:53:59] <velix> GNU\colossus: replaced-url
• 1581[14:54:14] <GNU\colossus> yup
• 1582[14:54:19] <velix> hacky
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• 1585[14:54:51] <GNU\colossus> the way the UNIX gods intended, I'd say ;)
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• 1587[14:55:23] <blackflow> not sure if hacky, or totally in line with an event-based process management paradigm that systemd is.
• 1588[14:55:29] <jasabella> grub install appears to have been incomplete aftere my upgrade, boot into a live disk and chroot update-grub? anything i'm missing?
• 1589[14:56:01] <blackflow> sure MAILTO is very convenient to get a "message" but what can you do in cron if you want an action to happen on fail?
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• 1595[14:59:44] <AebianWeb> fixed my issue. Had to also add the Tablet usb device as hardware
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• 1597[15:00:29] <AebianWeb> in virt-manager
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• 1607[15:11:06] <annadane> Aebian, for the record 9.6 is latest
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• 1609[15:15:04] <NetTerminalGene> i use firejailed firefox-esr with modified firefox-esr.desktop but after every update firefox-esr.desktop resetted and turn back its defaults. if i chattr +i would it cause trouble when updateing firefox?
• 1610[15:15:25] <NetTerminalGene> or any other issues
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• 1617[15:17:37] <chomwitt> does reportbug supports STARTTLS authentication to send an email bug report?
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• 1619[15:18:50] <petn-randall> chomwitt: Sure, see 'man reportbug.conf'.
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• 1627[15:22:44] <chomwitt> it mentions TLS encryption. anyway maybe i have a more serious issue. I dont know if a have a mail agent.I just have thunderbirt install.
• 1628[15:23:38] <petn-randall> chomwitt: You can configure reportbug to use a local MTA, but this is not necessary. There's a mode (IIRC the default), where it directly contacts the Debian MTA.
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• 1631[15:24:55] <chomwitt> so then authentication must be the issue, cause report bug fails when i give my smtp password.
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• 1635[15:25:42] <Sellerie> Can anyone help me? I reinstalled Debian on my Thinkpad T430 last night but after the (apparently successful install) it blackscreens after selecting Debian in GRUB...
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• 1640[15:27:55] <quantumman> Sellerie, have you tried using a live cd to boot, and then mount the file system from the terminal?
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• 1642[15:28:15] <quantumman> you'll be able to access your files maybe?
• 1643[15:28:16] <Sellerie> I can boot live CDs and DVDs flawlessly
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• 1645[15:28:21] <chomwitt> Sellerie: livecd was on top of tongue too.. :-)
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• 1648[15:28:42] <Sellerie> But I cannot boot the fresh Debian install
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• 1652[15:29:33] <quantumman> try bios settings with EFI?
• 1653[15:29:40] <joepublic> Sellerie, can you during these black screen boot failures use control+alt+f1 through control-alt-f6 to switch to a virtual terminal that may not be completely black?
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• 1655[15:29:51] <quantumman> good idea joepublic
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• 1657[15:30:15] <Sellerie> joepublic: Nothing's shown on screen, HDD LED doesnt light up anymore
• 1658[15:30:16] <quantumman> I bet you need to disable secure boot in bios?
• 1659[15:30:39] <Sellerie> Nah, CSM is enabled
• 1660[15:30:56] <quantumman> then joepublic suggestion is next
• 1661[15:31:29] <quantumman> I would try to boot it normally in grub with the debug mode on
• 1662[15:31:59] <Sellerie> Nope, nothing happens
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• 1664[15:32:14] <Sellerie> Also I wasnt able to type the luks password yet
• 1665[15:32:39] <Sellerie> quantumman: More infos on that please
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• 1668[15:34:01] <quantumman> when you get to the grub screen use the editor to edit the grub boot settings
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• 1670[15:35:34] <quantumman> #GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
• 1671[15:35:35] <quantumman> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
• 1672[15:35:42] <Sellerie> I already removed the `quiet` option in the linux line, but that doesnt change anything
• 1673[15:35:54] <Sellerie> Still nothing's happening
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• 1675[15:36:32] <Sellerie> Oh, I actually have a working version of Debian that is booting, its an older install but the python enviroment is messed up (which was the reason I wanted to reinstall in the first place)
• 1676[15:37:05] <joepublic> from the working install can you read the /var/log/kern.log from the broken one?
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• 1678[15:37:58] <Sellerie> Let me try
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• 1682[15:38:48] <quantumman> joepublic, I was thinking maybe grub isn't booting the right kernel image? or the correct location of the initrd file?
• 1683[15:39:10] <Sellerie> That could actually be possible, but would GRUB complain then?
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• 1685[15:40:13] <joepublic> you could boot with the super grub 2 rescue disc, choose second option "detect boot methods", boot into it that way, and then update-grub, if the grub configuration were the problem.
• 1686[15:40:24] <Sellerie> joepublic: I cant grab the file there, the /var directory is on an encrypted partition but I've never been asked for the password
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• 1691[15:40:52] <quantumman> can't you mount it with a password?
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• 1694[15:41:08] <Sellerie> quantumman: I can, but how is it supposed to land there in the first place
• 1695[15:41:10] <quantumman> I assume you know the encrypted mount's password
• 1696[15:41:18] <Sellerie> Of course I do
• 1697[15:41:21] <joepublic> Sellerie, very good point
• 1698[15:42:02] <quantumman> sorry I thought you'd be mounting it from a live cd?
• 1699[15:42:17] <Sellerie> Nah thats not the issue
• 1700[15:42:34] <Sellerie> Its mountable without any issues from a working installation
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• 1702[15:42:59] <Sellerie> Oh wait, let me compare the GRUB configs, maybe there's a weird quirk in it
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• 1707[15:45:08] <Sellerie> WTF there's basically no difference in the first boot entry besides the harddrive definition and UUID. Oh, and also the kernel of the working version is 4.18, but older kernels did work too
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• 1712[15:48:55] <velix> Sorry for asking in here, but ##security seems to be a generic talk about world's security right now (they're talking about making drones better to harm airports). I'm running a container using systemd-nspawn for Apache with php7-FPM (its own user). Container is run unpriviliged with --emphesis (changes are gone after exit) and the http-directory is mounted from the host read-only (--bind-ro). I've also limited some kernel capabilities. Now I
• 1713[15:48:55] <velix> need one path to write in an save its contents. Shall I create a huge loopback device on the host and bind it RW into the container?
• 1714[15:49:24] <Sellerie> joepublic: quantumman Any more ideas? :/
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• 1717[15:50:53] <quantumman> i assume you tried booting the old kernels?
• 1718[15:51:35] <rudi_s> Hi. I'm trying to install a Debian VM via preseed in the debian installer: For that I use virt-install --location replaced-url
• 1719[15:51:41] <joepublic> super grub 2 boot iso / detect boot methods / boot / update-grub
• 1720[15:51:41] <rudi_s> ...where I can find them?
• 1721[15:51:59] <blackflow> velix: no, why? you can bind mount a path rw
• 1722[15:52:02] <Sellerie> Well the booting installation is the one I ran with for about 5 months flawlessly while updating regularily, it hasnt failed on my so far
• 1723[15:52:16] <Sellerie> joepublic: I'm gonna test that
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• 1725[15:52:57] <velix> blackflow: I thought, I could encrypt the fs of the image ... so the data in the is protected.
• 1726[15:53:05] <velix> blackflow: Just some security stuff.
• 1727[15:53:22] <blackflow> velix: are you using containers to run non-debian or non-standard packages?
• 1728[15:53:22] <quantumman> Sellerie, I'm starting to think maybe a failed hdd?
• 1729[15:53:36] <velix> blackflow: no.
• 1730[15:53:45] <velix> blackflow: standard debian, standard debian packages.
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• 1732[15:54:02] <Sellerie> quantumman: Its an SSD that I bought just recently, and also I was able to install it without any issues
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• 1734[15:54:15] <blackflow> velix: I wouldn't bother with that then. system service units can define filesystem namespace/views so that everything is readonly except a few select paths where the service must write. that's what I do, and also compounded with an apparmor policy.
• 1735[15:54:46] <blackflow> velix: it's very powerful and granular, one doesn't need "box-like" containers at all, unless you wanna run non-standard stuff in them.
• 1736[15:55:12] <Sellerie> quantumman: Oh wtf, I may have found an issue
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• 1739[15:55:49] <velix> blackflow: The box like containers give me the possibility to stay at a fixed version and to "switch" to a container with newer versions.
• 1740[15:55:52] <blackflow> velix: look at ProtectSystem=strict and ReadWritePaths service unit directives
• 1741[15:55:54] <quantumman> whats the issue Sellerie
• 1742[15:56:02] <velix> blackflow: It also keeps my root host clean ;)
• 1743[15:56:03] <Sellerie> Nah wait its fine, its just a logical partition (was confused about the pttype that says dos, but thats normal)
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• 1746[15:56:27] <velix> blackflow: to keep channel clean, you could contact me by PM if you want?
• 1747[15:56:49] <Sellerie> For a moment I thought its another dos partition table on sda2 containing the luks drive. That wouldve been weird
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• 1749[15:56:58] <blackflow> velix: look at RootDirectory directive then.
• 1750[15:57:08] <velix> blackflow: ok
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• 1752[15:57:34] <blackflow> at any rate even if you do need nspawn, you can --bind any path as rw. you don't really need to complicate things with loopback
• 1753[15:57:55] <quantumman> i remember partition tables can be GPT or MBR would this affect it Sellerie
• 1754[15:58:38] <blackflow> velix: though I'm not sure about "version" you mention, since you said it's standard debian packages. so you ARE using different versions? what, buster chroots on stretch host?
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• 1756[15:58:50] <Sellerie> quantumman: I only have dos partition tables
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• 1762[16:00:02] <velix> blackflow: stretch on stretch ;D
• 1763[16:00:37] <blackflow> velix: then what did you mean by "fixed version" and containers with "newer versions"? updates?
• 1764[16:01:30] <velix> blackflow: Yeah... I mean, containers are small and nice. My apache container is about 150 MB in total. I thought, why not, doesn't hurt.
• 1765[16:01:33] <quantumman> okay, I can't really think of anything else Sellerie
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• 1768[16:02:42] <blackflow> velix: it totally complicates updating everything though. dunno, if that works for you, then fine :) I personally wouldn't and don't bother, systemd's isolation directives + apparmor profiles work best for me.
• 1769[16:02:47] <Sellerie> joepublic: super grub disk found the grub config entry, but it blackscreened from there aswell
• 1770[16:02:51] <Sellerie> quantumman: :(
• 1771[16:03:05] <quantumman> Sellerie, could it be a permissions issue?
• 1772[16:03:14] <Sellerie> quantumman: Please elaborate
• 1773[16:03:17] <joepublic> Sellerie, ouch
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• 1775[16:04:05] <Sellerie> I can actually copy the kernel and initrd over and tryna boot these
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• 1777[16:04:50] <quantumman> file system with unusual permissions that would somehow prevent files being access at boot time or something Im just guessing now
• 1778[16:05:23] <Sellerie> quantumman: I wonder how it can become unusual, as I've never been able to actually modify it without mounting it externally
• 1779[16:05:45] <Sellerie> Everything that has been done was done by the Debian installer
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• 1785[16:08:26] <quantumman> Sellerie, just trying to think - that one wasnt a good idea
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• 1788[16:08:43] <quantumman> UUID are correct right? Sellerie
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• 1790[16:09:12] <Sellerie> quantumman: lemme check
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• 1794[16:12:14] <Sellerie> quantumman: They look about right
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• 1796[16:12:55] <quantumman> Sellerie, I am out of ideas
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• 1798[16:13:15] <Sellerie> I found something interesting
• 1799[16:13:26] <quantumman> personally I think maybe your using an old version of grub
• 1800[16:13:31] <Sellerie> I just compared the grub config files once again
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• 1802[16:13:49] <quantumman> yeah and?
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• 1805[16:14:31] <Sellerie> Apparently the working installation's linux config has a UUID set as root, but the fresh installation uses '/dev/mapper/sda5_crypt' instead
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• 1809[16:16:35] <Sellerie> Maybe that's broken
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• 1811[16:18:54] <quantumman> try using gparted live cd that's what I would do
• 1812[16:19:37] <quantumman> then I would try to find information on every partition on the disk
• 1813[16:20:16] <Sellerie> Ok, switching it to a UUID didnt help
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• 1815[16:21:23] <Sellerie> quantumman: What info do you mean?
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• 1817[16:21:32] <Sellerie> I can get infos without gparted too
• 1818[16:21:55] <quantumman> like fdisk
• 1819[16:22:03] <quantumman> parted etc
• 1820[16:22:09] <quantumman> lsblk
• 1821[16:22:14] <Sellerie> yes
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• 1824[16:23:01] <Sellerie> From the working debian, it seems like the only difference is that the broken one has it's luks partition inside of a logical partition
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• 1828[16:24:50] <quantumman> hey check this out replaced-url
• 1829[16:25:00] <quantumman> GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y ??
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• 1840[16:29:17] <Sellerie> quantumman: but my /boot is not encrypted^^
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• 1844[16:31:30] <Sellerie> quantumman: Now that we are experimenting anyway now, I am going to try out an unencrypted install, maybe there's something broken regarding the encryption
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• 1846[16:31:57] <quantumman> Sellerie, I am off now too late here
• 1847[16:32:26] <Sellerie> Alright
• 1848[16:32:35] <Sellerie> I'll keep trying and experimenting
• 1849[16:32:39] <quantumman> If you really want to be sure you could disconnect the hard drive and plug it into another computer to see if grub is the problem
• 1850[16:32:42] <Sellerie> Thanks for your help so far!
• 1851[16:32:56] <Sellerie> Sounds like an idea, I could try this later
• 1852[16:33:00] <quantumman> what version of grub are you using?
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• 1861[16:35:03] <Sellerie> quantumman: 2.02+dfsg1-9
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• 1863[16:35:09] <Sellerie> On the non-working
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• 1865[16:35:39] <Sellerie> Its the same on the working one
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• 1939[17:09:40] <jasabella> does anyone run debian on a thinkpad? i'm having trouble getting mine to boot after an upgrade with testing
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• 1942[17:10:07] <jasabella> grub doesn't even start, i've tried chroot'ing and update-initramfs and update-grub
• 1943[17:11:34] <ppafin> jasabella: mine runs just fine, not on testing though
• 1944[17:12:03] <Sellerie> jasabella: black screen after grub?
• 1945[17:12:12] <jasabella> no grub at all
• 1946[17:12:14] <Sellerie> Oh
• 1947[17:12:22] <Sellerie> Well then I have another issue tho
• 1948[17:12:26] <jasabella> i get the 'bios' screen selecting a device to boot from
• 1949[17:12:29] <jasabella> it boots ok from usb
• 1950[17:12:42] <Sellerie> UEFI or BIOS?
• 1951[17:12:42] <jasabella> i can mount the partitions from a live usb
• 1952[17:12:44] <jasabella> uefi
• 1953[17:12:51] <jasabella> with gpt
• 1954[17:12:53] <Sellerie> Okay
• 1955[17:13:13] <jasabella> /boot and /boot/efi are ok
• 1956[17:13:20] <Sellerie> Did you setup a chroot jail and install the GRUB freshly?
• 1957[17:13:30] <jasabella> yep
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• 1959[17:13:35] <Sellerie> Okay
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• 1961[17:14:00] <Sellerie> And what happens instead of an UEFI popping up?
• 1962[17:14:26] <jasabella> mounted /, /boot, /boot/efi, /sys, /dev, /proc ... chrooted into that and run update-initramfs, update-grub
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• 1964[17:14:40] <jasabella> i get the thnkpad screen selecting a device to boot from
• 1965[17:14:58] <Sellerie> And when choosing grub, you just return to that?
• 1966[17:15:01] <jasabella> choosing the grub device lands me back on the same screen
• 1967[17:15:02] <jasabella> yeah
• 1968[17:15:42] <Sellerie> wait
• 1969[17:15:46] <Sellerie> UEFI doesnt work like that
• 1970[17:16:18] <Sellerie> there should be GRUB in the boot manager menu in case youre using UEFI
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• 1973[17:17:38] <jasabella> i select the disk labelled 'grub'
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• 1977[17:17:57] <Sellerie> Okay
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• 1982[17:18:21] <Sellerie> Can you please run mentioned live usb?
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• 1987[17:20:01] <Sellerie> And run efibootmgr
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• 1996[17:24:54] <Sellerie> jasabella: What does it put out?
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• 2001[17:25:21] <jasabella> ok let me check
• 2002[17:25:58] <forester> Hi. I have 2 version of python (2 and 3) and one application. It work with one version and does not with another. How to set python version for using with this application?
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• 2004[17:26:31] <PaddyF> use the virtualenv line in the beginning i would say
• 2005[17:26:33] <Sellerie> forester: In case it's okay to modify the program, you can set a sheband
• 2006[17:26:38] <Sellerie> *sheband
• 2007[17:26:41] <Sellerie> *shebang, sorry
• 2008[17:26:42] <jasabella> i need to isntall it
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• 2010[17:27:12] <Sellerie> well if there is enough space on that enviroment, go for it
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• 2015[17:28:52] <forester> Sellerie: I thought that maybe there is an option to mark when launching an application something like this "python -v2 (or -v3) ourApplicatin".
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• 2018[17:29:31] <Sellerie> forester: Well here's the fun thing regarding python: By default `python` still calls python 2, while `python3` calls python 3
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• 2021[17:31:41] <Sellerie> forester: So if you want to run it with python 3, run it with `python3 <application>` (you can also add a shebang in the first line of the program though, then you just run it with `./<program>` and it starts without calling python first
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• 2028[17:34:13] <forester> Sellerie: Thank you. I need time to try.
• 2029[17:34:22] <Sellerie> forester: no problem
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• 2050[17:46:54] <jasabella> Sellerie… i'm guessing i need to run efibootmgr inside the chroot
• 2051[17:47:10] <velix> blackflow: Sorry, I had a long phone call
• 2052[17:47:30] <velix> blackflow: are you rentable?
• 2053[17:47:39] <blackflow> velix: what? :)
• 2054[17:47:55] <velix> blackflow: You seem to be experienced with security.
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• 2056[17:49:09] <blackflow> velix: I see what you're asking. No, I'm not. I work for a company.
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• 2059[17:51:22] <velix> blackflow: Hmm okay. Then I need to figure it out for myself :(
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• 2061[17:52:28] <jasabella> hmmm i definitely have the right device boot order
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• 2066[17:53:48] <Sellerie> It doesnt matter where its run
• 2067[17:53:57] <Sellerie> It reads the variables from the efi
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• 2069[17:54:28] <Sellerie> jasabella: put the output from it into a pastebin pls
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• 2075[17:57:09] <siwica> What is the currently recommended tool to create private Debian archives?
• 2076[17:57:26] <velix> blackflow: Google has about no info of systemd's isolation directives for Apache and others.
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• 2078[17:58:17] <siwica> Is aptly a good choice for a rather simple repositoryß
• 2079[17:58:20] <siwica> ?
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• 2087[18:00:47] <jasabella> do i ned to run this in a chroot?
• 2088[18:00:49] <blackflow> velix: ProtectSystem
• 2089[18:01:07] <blackflow> it's not for a specific service, it's for services in general. using =strict, you can then define rw paths
• 2090[18:01:12] <jasabella> Sellerie… replaced-url
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• 2092[18:01:26] <jasabella> Sellerie… do i need to run this in a chroot?
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• 2096[18:04:16] <ixc> blackflow: does ProtectSystem implies the use of DynamicUser or can be used alone?
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• 2104[18:08:04] <Sellerie> jasabella: sec
• 2105[18:08:14] <Sellerie> No, you dont need to run it inside of a chroot
• 2106[18:08:17] <velix> blackflow: Ahh, it's some kind of Sandboxing?!
• 2107[18:08:26] <Sellerie> You can run it off the live media
• 2108[18:08:52] <jasabella> yeah i dont see anything unexpected hmmm
• 2109[18:09:07] <Sellerie> This is obscure
• 2110[18:09:11] <Sellerie> What thinkpad is it?
• 2111[18:09:19] <jasabella> x230
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• 2113[18:09:23] <Sellerie> Okay
• 2114[18:09:48] <Sellerie> Hmm
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• 2116[18:10:21] <jasabella> i wonder if this is a uefi bug or blacklist thing i've hit
• 2117[18:11:09] <Sellerie> There is a grub executable in your ESP?
• 2118[18:11:28] <jasabella> yup
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• 2120[18:11:37] <Sellerie> Okay
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• 2126[18:13:18] <Sellerie> Thats really weird
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• 2128[18:14:49] <Sellerie> Okay, I have another idea
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• 2131[18:14:53] <Sellerie> We can do this manually
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• 2133[18:15:21] <jasabella> (EFI/debian/grubx64.efi)
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• 2135[18:16:06] <Sellerie> So, you basically do the following: `grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=<where your ESP it mounted RN, e.g. /boot/efi> --bootloader-id=test`
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• 2139[18:16:56] <Sellerie> And then run efibootmgr again and see what changed
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• 2143[18:19:48] <blackflow> velix: no, namespacing, just like containers. read in the systemd.exec manpage about it
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• 2146[18:21:03] <jasabella> im tempted to just reinstall, i have a separate / and /home so i'll be fine
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• 2153[18:24:10] <Sellerie> jasabella: Well in the worst case, you basically try whether that bug is cleanly reproducable
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• 2156[18:24:26] <jasabella> yeah
• 2157[18:24:31] <Sellerie> So that sounds like a good idea I guess
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• 2169[18:31:33] <jasabella> is it worth setting a neutral locale (e.g.en_US or C) and just customising it per user like you do with timezones? hmm
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• 2182[18:38:27] <Sellerie> jasabella: Depends strongly
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• 2184[18:39:01] <Sellerie> I like my localisation, but well, it certainly doesnt affect GRUB
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• 2186[18:39:21] <jasabella> yeahmore an install question :)
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• 2250[19:14:57] <NetTerminalGene> murii, for what?
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• 2258[19:18:22] <brollyxkaze> Hey everyone
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• 2260[19:18:40] <brollyxkaze> anyone knows how i can add flash player for Opera browser in bunsenlabs linux ?
• 2261[19:19:07] <murii> NetTerminalGene: intel hd graphics 4600
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• 2263[19:20:14] <mtn> !bunsen
• 2264[19:20:14] <dpkg> BunsenLabs Linux is a community continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
• 2265[19:20:28] <NetTerminalGene> murii, your gpu is old. i think they have already done all to support your gpu
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• 2267[19:21:09] <murii> Hmm,well, I get black meshes in some 3D games
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• 2290[19:35:09] <lilith93> Hi, I have a stupid question: What the best place to look for Debian bug reports?
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• 2293[19:35:34] <lilith93> I looked at the debian site but is there a list or something somewhere?
• 2294[19:35:58] <mtn> !bugs
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• 2296[19:36:07] <mtn> !bug
• 2297[19:36:07] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
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• 2303[19:38:51] <lilith93> dpkg: Thanks. I'm too stupid for the search function though
• 2304[19:38:51] <dpkg> lilith93: no problem
• 2305[19:39:04] <mtn> heh
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• 2307[19:39:36] <lilith93> I get kernel messages like "[drm:intel_pipe_update_end [i915]] *ERROR* Atomic update failure on pipe A"
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• 2309[19:39:51] <lilith93> now I wanted to look for bugs related to this
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• 2332[19:55:02] <velix> blackflow: the manual calls it sandboxing.
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• 2334[19:55:34] <velix> Perhaps this feature is unstable, so it doesn't have a name now?
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• 2342[20:01:48] <blackflow> velix: well I avoid that term because it implies a greater level of isolation, but eh, semantics. the important thing is that you can achieve exactly the same effect, security-wise, without needing the complexity of a separate root dir.
• 2343[20:02:30] <velix> blackflow: but how do I give more control to it, f.e. allow reading a special directory?
• 2344[20:02:51] <blackflow> velix: can you give an example?
• 2345[20:03:26] <velix> blackflow: f.e. /var/replaced-url
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• 2348[20:04:28] <azi`> I am using a debian jessie that I don't have root access to
• 2349[20:04:39] <blackflow> perhaps you misunderstood the feature I was suggesting. ProtectSystem=strict makes evrything read-only to the service except the special paths like /run/<service> . So with that you only need to override readWRITE paths
• 2350[20:04:40] <azi`> I'd like to install/run a program that is in the repositories
• 2351[20:04:46] <azi`> is there a way I could make things work locally?
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• 2354[20:05:18] <blackflow> velix: and if you want to further restrict READable paths, you need a MAC policy like with AppArmor or SELinux.
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• 2356[20:06:18] <velix> blackflow: But isn't that way more complicated than putting it in a read-only container, bind the http-dir as readonly and just allow upload?
• 2357[20:06:31] <velix> blackflow: actually, for me it is. Not for you ;)
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• 2362[20:08:20] <blackflow> velix: how can it possibly be more complicated? You only add a few lines to the already existing service unit (in fact you make a drop-in under /etc/systemd/system/ )
• 2363[20:08:46] <blackflow> velix: in contrast, a full container requires you to maintain a whole separate root directory, its updates as well.
• 2364[20:09:04] <velix> blackflow: apt update && apt upgrade
• 2365[20:09:18] <blackflow> velix: how? the root is readonly :)
• 2366[20:09:51] <velix> blackflow: Nah...
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• 2368[20:10:01] <velix> blackflow: systemd-nspawn allows you to login ro or non-ro
• 2369[20:10:11] <velix> blackflow: I'm using empheral for example on my containers.
• 2370[20:10:15] <blackflow> ah so it's no longer just apt but also all the intermediate commands you need to manage the root. anyway, whatever works for you. my point is that you don't need nspawn if you don't intend to run third party software.
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• 2373[20:11:33] <velix> blackflow: I really appriciate your ideas and that you've posted lots of lines, but I don't know what a MAC policy is (MAC addrss for my network?) and I've never worked with an AppAmour profile.
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• 2376[20:11:52] <blackflow> velix: Mandatory Access Control, ie. SELinux or AppArmor
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• 2383[20:18:43] <edman007> huh... svn.debian.org is gone? Or is it just a DNS error?
• 2384[20:19:02] <edman007> I can't access it
• 2385[20:19:48] <joepublic> azi`, it depends on the package. you could download a package, extract it into a directory under your home dir, and give it a try
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• 2387[20:23:09] <azi`> joepublic: it's a bit more complicated I am affraid since I need to add some repositories first it seems replaced-url
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• 2395[20:25:30] <joepublic> azi`, rather than using a hammer and a shoehorn and try to make repositories work with no access to them (!?), perhaps you should "download" the software in question and build from source.
• 2396[20:25:52] <joepublic> edman007, I think svn was a feature of alioth, which is indeed gone
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• 2398[20:26:04] <azi`> joepublic: that's where it gets complicated.. i tried and I couldn't get it compiled
• 2399[20:26:25] <azi`> joepublic: i cannot do it on the base system, but I was hoping on doing it on my own laptop and perhaps make a static build
• 2400[20:26:29] <azi`> but it's not working
• 2401[20:26:42] <edman007> joepublic, ok, then replaced-url
• 2402[20:27:12] <joepublic> edman007, there are a *ton* of pages with dead links that refer to alioth or its services.
• 2403[20:28:22] <noln> edman007, salsa.d.o
• 2404[20:28:26] <joepublic> azi`, if you want to run a file in a deb, but you are not an administrator of a debian system, then you unpack the deb and give it a try. if the program you are downloading indeed required "adding repositories" then your quest is in vain, as you are not an admin.
• 2405[20:28:44] <noln> many source packages are there, dunno whether glibc is there as well
• 2406[20:29:25] <azi`> joepublic: :(
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• 2413[20:33:07] <velix> Shouldn't this work? update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator
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• 2417[20:34:49] <joepublic> or this? update-alternatives --display x-terminal-emulator
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• 2420[20:35:53] <rwp> Yes. What error are you getting from it?
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• 2429[20:39:58] <velix> rwp: I missed to install x-terminal-emulator ;)
• 2430[20:40:21] <velix> rwp: But after installing and selecting the right term, it doesn't get set by default after logout/login
• 2431[20:40:25] <velix> sigh...
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• 2433[20:40:33] <velix> I'll att it to bashrc :)
• 2434[20:40:39] <velix> s/att/add
• 2435[20:41:36] <rwp> I don't understand. The debian alternatives system with update-alternatives does not have anything to do with your profile/bashrc environment. Should I read the scrollback?
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• 2438[20:42:15] <velix> rwp: when I add TERM=xterm to bashrc, it gets set when loading bash.
• 2439[20:42:28] <velix> Is debian alternatives only for new users?
• 2440[20:42:34] <rwp> Some of the "sensible-editor" type scripts do stash a selection in ~/.selected_editor however but that is not alternative related.
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• 2442[20:43:16] <rwp> Since the .bashrc is only loaded when the shell is started making any edits there requires starting a new shell to see the effect.
• 2443[20:43:23] <rwp> But you do not need to log out to load a new shell.
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• 2446[20:43:52] <rwp> You can start a new xterm and it will start a new shell which will load the ~/.bashrc file fresh and you can see and test for the effects of your edits.
• 2447[20:44:02] <velix> rwp: I know, but I thought I could use debian defaults for this.
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• 2449[20:44:10] <rwp> Or even if you are on a serial console one can stack a shell by typing in "bash" and seeing the effects.
• 2450[20:44:30] <rwp> "Debian defaults?" Please explain.
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• 2453[20:45:04] <velix> I thought, debian alternatives would set defaults?
• 2454[20:45:20] <velix> pardon update-alternatives
• 2455[20:45:26] <rwp> The debian alternatives is a cool system for managing multiple implmementations of the same feature.
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• 2457[20:46:01] <velix> It works in bashrc, so I'm fine.
• 2458[20:46:08] <rwp> There are many X Window terminal emulators. There are many vi-like editors. There are X Window managers. And so forth.
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• 2460[20:46:41] <rwp> The alternatives symlinks are a way to install packages and have the priority listed in the package to automatically select which one is the default one when typing in the base name of it.
• 2461[20:47:04] <rwp> For example there are many x-terminal-emulators available. It might be xterm or gnome-term or other.
• 2462[20:47:06] <velix> rwp: I've set mine to xterm, but I'm always getting vt220. When setting it in bashrc, I'm getting xterm. So I'm fine. All problems solved :D
• 2463[20:47:19] <rwp> Then other parts of the system can simply start x-terminal-emulator and get whatever one the user has installed.
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• 2465[20:47:38] <rwp> And then additionally one can manually override the priorities. I do that a lot for vi for example.
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• 2467[20:47:55] <rwp> I keep vim installed for the vim users but am oldschool and like nvi and using the alternatives we can both be happy.
• 2468[20:48:52] <rwp> I am puzzled by why you would be seeing vt220...
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• 2475[20:53:33] <rwp> velix, If you want more detail about the alternatives... Some time ago I wrote this mailing list posting: replaced-url
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• 2477[20:54:16] <velix> rwp: systemd stuff ...
• 2478[20:54:24] <velix> rwp: thanks, let's read
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• 2480[20:54:31] <velix> rwp: 16 years ago!
• 2481[20:54:46] <rwp> The stuff about update-alternatives is still valid.
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• 2487[20:58:01] <velix> rwp: thx
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• 2511[21:09:49] <kipkip> hello folks! I have a lenovo thinkpad x120e, been running debian for a few years just fine. Recently upgraded to stretch and linux 4.9.0.8, and started seeing an issue that I'm not quite sure how to solve. When you put it to sleep, it wakes up to the logon screen just fine. But when you log in, the screen goes black. However ctrl-alt-f2 will print up the pty just fine. So i'm thinking X is having trouble resuming from sleep?
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• 2513[21:09:58] <kipkip> Anyone have thoughts on how to get to the bottom of this? Since the machine still works and hasn't crashed completely, i'm guessing it's not really a "power/acpi/whatever" related issue?
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• 2516[21:11:48] <altker128> kipkip: Anything in the dmesg logs?
• 2517[21:12:16] <altker128> kipkip: Also when you get the black screen, have yout tried to turn up the brightness of the LCD? I'm seeing that on a Dell laptop
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• 2529[21:20:57] <kipkip> altker128: let me check dmesg logs after a failed wake. i don't think its a brightness issue, cause the pty will come up without me changing the brightness, but ill double chekc
• 2530[21:21:31] <kipkip> altker128: also this only happens when you put it to sleep while closing the lid. If you just let it fall asleep, or do Log Out > Suspend, it wakes up just fine
• 2531[21:21:44] <kipkip> In the power mgmt settings, the lid action is indeed also "Suspend"
• 2532[21:21:54] <kipkip> so im v confused as to why the behavior is different
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• 2542[21:29:03] <velix> Did I just find a bug? replaced-url
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• 2544[21:29:49] <velix> updated: replaced-url
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• 2551[21:32:59] <stuser> regarding Debian packaging: can someone tell me what "std-ver" means on this page? replaced-url
• 2552[21:34:42] <Epakai> stuser: it refers to the debian policy manual's version that the package claims to comply with replaced-url
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• 2560[21:37:09] <kipkip> altker128: nothing related in the dmesg logs. it somewhat makes sense since the login screen comes up just fine. its when you enter your creds and hit enter that the screen goes black
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• 2562[21:37:45] <kipkip> also, can anyone suggest how might I start the window manager manually from a tty?
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• 2566[21:38:27] <kipkip> seems ctrl-alt-f7 is the way
• 2567[21:38:28] <altker128> kipkip: startx
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• 2571[21:39:50] <kipkip> altker128: ah sweet startx actually gives me output
• 2572[21:39:55] <kipkip> it fails to run
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• 2574[21:40:23] <altker128> kipkip: Is xorg already running?
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• 2576[21:40:43] <kipkip> altker128: how should I check that?
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• 2579[21:40:55] <altker128> kipkip: ps
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• 2581[21:41:00] <altker128> kipkip: ps | grep Xorg
• 2582[21:41:44] <kipkip> nope
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• 2584[21:41:52] <kipkip> altker128: nope, doesn't seem to be running
• 2585[21:42:02] <altker128> kipkip: ps aux | grep startx as well
• 2586[21:42:22] <kipkip> altker128: also nothing
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• 2589[21:43:05] <kipkip> altker128: also, the log file has no obvious errors
• 2590[21:43:26] <kipkip> altker128: it seems like a bunch of regular stuff but then ends with "Server terminated successfully (0)"
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• 2593[21:45:14] <kipkip> altker128: just tried another thing. Sudo startx works fine
• 2594[21:45:17] <stuser> Epakai: good to know. thanks. hope I can pick your brain about another packaging question: The page for that package (replaced-url
• 2595[21:45:27] <kipkip> altker128: it just brings me into the root's desktop which is not my usual one
• 2596[21:45:48] <kipkip> altker128: running startx without sudo doesn't work
• 2597[21:46:07] <altker128> kipkip: Thats not right
• 2598[21:46:14] <altker128> kipkip: Can you try to reboot and try again?
• 2599[21:46:21] <kipkip> yes
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• 2601[21:46:36] <kipkip> altker128: i might have to go soon, in which case will return and maybe ping you again
• 2602[21:47:13] <altker128> kipkip: np
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• 2604[21:47:36] <kipkip> also i think we might need ps aux | grep Xorg
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• 2606[21:48:23] <graton> I'm not getting any sound from my headphone jack other than a quiet white-noise hissing. The speakers work fine, though.
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• 2608[21:49:21] <altker128> graton: If you're using pulse-audio you may have to set the output jack
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• 2610[21:49:54] <graton> The weird part is that it was working not that long ago.
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• 2614[21:51:04] <graton> altker128: I don't think I have pulseaudio installed.
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• 2620[21:52:35] <altker128> graton: I use MATE desktop and have to go to the Sound under Control Panel and set the audio jack explicidly
• 2621[21:52:57] <graton> altker128: I use Stumpwm.
• 2622[21:53:45] <Epakai> stuser: replaced-url
• 2623[21:53:46] <graton> Is that a frontend to a pulseaudio option passable via shell?
• 2624[21:54:13] <graton> I'm pretty sure I don't have pulseaudio, only ALSA.
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• 2626[21:55:18] <altker128> graton: You can try to modify your alsa config
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• 2628[21:56:03] <graton> altker128: What file do I modify for that?
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• 2633[21:56:52] <graton> altker128: Do I create a ~/.asoundrc and /etc/asound.conf?
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• 2635[21:57:18] <altker128> graton: Honestly, it's been awhile since I've messed with ALSA. Do you already have any ALSA related configs?
• 2636[21:57:33] <altker128> graton: You can also check dmesg to see if there's anything printed in the kernel logs about audio
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• 2638[21:58:54] <graton> altker128: What exactly am I grepping from dmesg for this?
• 2639[21:59:08] <altker128> graton: Look for anything HDA / audio / jack / JACK
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• 2643[22:01:16] <graton> altker128: The only things are a list of modules being linked in and a bunch of stuff about wifi (unsurprisingly, considering how often it breaks).
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• 2645[22:01:41] <altker128> graton: What's your audio setup? Built-in from motherboard?
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• 2647[22:02:37] <graton> yep
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• 2649[22:02:48] <Ormu> hello
• 2650[22:03:17] <graton> I installed ALSA and it just werked (until it suddenly didn't)
• 2651[22:03:24] <altker128> graton: Im my kernel log I see things like snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0: Headphone Mic=0x18
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• 2653[22:03:37] <altker128> so maybe look for snd or hda or codec
• 2654[22:03:38] <Ormu> wine comes as "wine" and "wine64" on Debian... is "wine" always 32-bit?
• 2655[22:03:44] <ellyacht> can anyone tell me what is user SYSTEMD CORE D.... at my login screen? I see root, my user name, and the systemd
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• 2658[22:04:29] <joepublic> "wine" also runs 16-bit windows 3.x software.
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• 2661[22:05:40] <graton> altker128: I see no such things.
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• 2664[22:07:15] <Ormu> joepublic: ok, but if i set WINEARCH=win64... should I use "wine64" or just "wine"?
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• 2716[22:27:48] <InvisibleRasta> hey guys, is there a repo for installing pantheon DE on stretch?
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• 2718[22:28:29] <InvisibleRasta> i found replaced-url
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• 2732[22:35:42] <spidget> heya, is there a way to run a script whenever i switch to battery power on my laptop?
• 2733[22:35:47] <Brigo> InvisibleRasta, installing packages from outside debian is not adviced neither supported in this channel.
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• 2736[22:36:59] <Brigo> spidget, there is a executable called on_ac_power
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• 2739[22:39:13] <InvisibleRasta> ls
• 2740[22:39:20] <spidget> Brigo: ah, never heard of that before. I guess I could put that in a cronjob... I'm trying to make the powertop tunables permanent. Everywhere I look says to put them in rc.local, but they get changed when i connect/disconnect the mains
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• 2745[22:41:20] <Brigo> spidget, here there is an example trigered by udev.
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• 2747[22:41:22] <Brigo> replaced-url
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• 2754[22:43:00] <spidget> oh wow, perfect. thanks Brigo
• 2755[22:43:15] <altker128> graton: Dunno what to tell you. You'll have to spend time looking at your dmesg log line by line then
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