• 0[00:00:01] <deb76556> 860 pro?
• 1[00:00:05] <rwp> Samsung series 850 EVO? Those are currently the best rated available. Since Intel got out of the consumer market.
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• 3[00:00:22] <deb76556> I think the evo was cheaper than the pro
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• 6[00:00:35] <rwp> You can peek with 'hdparm -I /dev/sda' or 'smartctl -i /dev/sda' at the data that it returns.
• 7[00:00:56] <deb76556> I can't right now - it's balanced on my belly on the way to its new host
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• 9[00:01:15] <rwp> I think the difference in those models is how much over-provisioning of the nand and cache ram they have. I think they have the same controller on board.
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• 15[00:02:25] <rwp> kre10s, Moving from one laptop to another might need a different network or wifi driver installed. Such as the non-free drivers in one or the other. Sigh. It's why we can't have nice things.
• 16[00:02:25] <agio> hmm, I've got a ralink wifi module on this laptop... ive installed the non-free-ralink-firmware package, rebooted and I don't have wifi ?
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• 18[00:02:58] <rwp> Is it a new or old machine agio?
• 19[00:03:24] <rwp> Old tends to be better because things are already worked out. But if brand new then you might be betwixt and between it working out of the box.
• 20[00:03:25] <agio> dmesg | grep -i firmware reports 3 log entries containing: [firmware bug]
• 21[00:03:46] <rwp> I have no idea what that means but it does not sound good.
• 22[00:04:00] <agio> its a new machine came out 2010
• 23[00:04:04] <agio> lol
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• 25[00:04:41] <rwp> agio I think what you meant to say is you had firmware-misc-nonfree installed for the nonfree ralink driver, right?
• 26[00:05:01] <agio> I installed both
• 27[00:05:02] <rwp> Meanwhile... Officially non-free is not part of Debian. Since Debian is all about Free(dom) Software.
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• 29[00:05:23] <agio> firmware-misc-non-free is a dependency for the ralink-firmware package
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• 31[00:05:50] <agio> yeah, I need it to connect to network though
• 32[00:05:52] <rwp> I sometimes advise people to try one of those USB wifi dongles that uses a free(dom) source driver. That gets things working. Then they can make further progress having a network available.
• 33[00:06:13] <agio> yes, I'll try that
• 34[00:06:47] <rwp> One of the small button ones with a free driver is often the best solution as it doesn't take up a lot of space.
• 35[00:06:49] <agio> not sure if i'll get lucky though
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• 37[00:07:15] <rwp> However I must note that the Edimax works great in Raspbian on the Pi but that driver has been patched and last I tried it the driver was not working in Debian yet.
• 38[00:07:28] <rwp> Therefore one of the other USB devices is advised.
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• 41[00:08:33] <agio> so whats the process, look up wifi dongles online, try to obtain the chipset model and compare to a list like this:
• 42[00:08:35] <agio> replaced-url
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• 64[00:20:34] <deb76556> I switched the ssd from one laptop to the other, booted, and now the hdd password is apparently wrong
• 65[00:20:53] <deb76556> please tell me the password's aren't incompatible across BIOSes or something daft like that?
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• 67[00:23:10] <agio> password to mount a harddisk?
• 68[00:23:33] <deb76556> not to mount, but to have the bios start up I think
• 69[00:23:34] <agio> (LUKS device)
• 70[00:23:36] <deb76556> it's set in the bios
• 71[00:23:39] <deb76556> no, before that
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• 74[00:24:23] <agio> if its an encrypted partition the kernel (dm-crypt) maps (unlocks) it
• 75[00:25:21] <deb76556> right, and it is - but I'm talking about something above the partition level
• 76[00:25:27] <deb76556> it prompts for a password in the bios
• 77[00:25:33] <rwp> deb76556, If it is LUKS then that is in software on the disk. If it is a BIOS set disk encryption then that _might_ be using the disk internal encryption. Hope not. Those are all buggy.
• 78[00:25:38] <deb76556> before the kernel is read
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• 81[00:25:51] <rwp> I have routinely moved LUKS encrypted laptop drives from one thinkpad model to another.
• 82[00:26:10] <agio> yeah, LUKS should be portable
• 83[00:26:25] <deb76556> I'm not talking about LUKS
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• 86[00:27:06] <deb76556> in the BIOS' "Security" tab I see "Set Hard Disk Passwords", "Change Master Password", etc.
• 87[00:27:08] <agio> I know, yeah if its BIOS /firware level, I would guess not portable?
• 88[00:27:19] <rwp> agio, I will go out on a limb and say I have had good luck with this one, I have several and they use free(dom) drivers: replaced-url
• 89[00:27:20] <agio> but I dont know
• 90[00:27:23] <deb76556> so I've moved the drive back, will remove the password, etc.
• 91[00:27:52] <rwp> But vendors change things very quickly. I can only cross my fingers and wish luck at what might arrive.
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• 94[00:29:06] <rwp> Just recently some security researchers found serious bugs in most drive encryption firmware. Notably the M$ bitlocker will use the disk encryption if it is available. Which turns out to be quite bad.
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• 96[00:29:23] <deb76556> I don't think it's encryptiomn
• 97[00:29:32] <deb76556> it's instant to set or clear the password
• 98[00:29:38] <deb76556> I think it's just a dumb lock
• 99[00:30:01] <rwp> Good luck
• 100[00:30:08] <rwp> That goes out to both of you! :-)
• 101[00:30:22] <agio> thanks rwp
• 102[00:31:35] <deb76556> ok, password removed, drive moved back over. now I'm at the "no bootable device" thing again, but on the other laptop now...
• 103[00:31:41] <deb76556> I'm guessing this one's not EFI
• 104[00:32:31] <agio> how do you tell if HW initialisation code is EFI, UEFI or legacy bios?
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• 183[01:39:17] <uniqdom> Hello, which is the Gnome alternative to kgpg?
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• 185[01:39:52] <PaddyF> to kgpg?
• 186[01:40:06] <PaddyF> oh
• 187[01:40:07] <uniqdom> key management
• 188[01:40:26] <uniqdom> is it seahorse?
• 189[01:42:18] <PaddyF> cant find any, hmmm
• 190[01:43:53] <SerajewelKS> it is seahorse
• 191[01:43:56] <PaddyF> ah, gnupg shows some
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• 195[01:45:43] <PaddyF> been looking for that one so long, thanks uniqdom for asking about it
• 196[01:45:55] <uniqdom> :)
• 197[01:46:08] <uniqdom> thanks SerajewelKS
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• 201[01:48:10] <SerajewelKS> np
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• 263[02:17:20] <annadane> will unattended upgrades also take care of backports?
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• 274[02:25:33] <LtL> annadane: my guess is yes, but i'm not positive.
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• 284[02:37:56] <nuxil> so i was having some issues with my wifi. and as usual i fired up a terminal. and typed, sudo ifconfig and i got told. No such commnad. i google a bit and see that ifconfig is part of net-tool. and that ifconfig has been replaced by "ip" and net-tools is required to use the old stuff.
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• 286[02:38:14] <nuxil> why is ifconfig replaced. it was totlay fine. :\
• 287[02:39:31] <mason> nuxil: You can add it back in. NIH. Just watch for ifupdown being deprecated as it was in Ubuntu... (I hope Debian doesn't follow suit.)
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• 289[02:40:58] <nuxil> i dont use ubuntu. its a os for the hipsters :p who wants the newest of everything and dont care about stability :p
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• 291[02:42:20] <nuxil> mason, well. i have installed the net-tools . was just woundering why its not standard anymore.
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• 293[02:42:50] <LtL> nuxil: i still have it, perhaps because this has ben dist-upgraded. and it doesn't require root.
• 294[02:43:01] <LtL> *been
• 295[02:43:12] <mason> nuxil: My understanding, without having looked into details, is that the folks maintaining Linux ifconfig have simply given up on it long since, and that there may be functionality it doesn't have that we might want.
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• 297[02:43:53] <Bjornn> evening folks
• 298[02:43:54] <mason> I'm not sure how much bit rot matters here, but I suspect there's some argument that can be hunted down that'll have details.
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• 301[02:44:39] <nuxil> mason, i see. so its as usual. something dosent meet the requirement.. lets make something new. instead of contributing the a already exsisting software. :p
• 302[02:46:01] <Kremator> folks, if i do apt update && apt upgrade then i wont need "apt full-upgrade"
• 303[02:46:03] <Kremator> right?
• 304[02:46:35] <mason> nuxil: Best thing I've found since I started looking just now: replaced-url
• 305[02:47:09] <LtL> Kremator: unless you have held-packages, right.
• 306[02:48:17] <LtL> Kremator: i can't recall the last time i used full-upgrade
• 307[02:48:33] <nuxil> mason, thx it makes it more clear. if both been around for a while. and dev for ifconfig is lacking behind of what ip can do i get the replacement.
• 308[02:49:06] <Kremator> LtL, good to hear thank you
• 309[02:49:18] <LtL> Kremator: welcome
• 310[02:50:00] <nuxil> mason, it just that. i been using linux on and off from some time since 2000 ish. had a break from 2012 is. and now come back and see lots of the commands i used to use. are not longer availeble :p
• 311[02:50:19] <nuxil> or been replaced
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• 313[02:51:25] <nuxil> luckyely nothing has replaced grep|sed|awk|tail|head etc yet.. if so i go mad :p
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• 320[02:54:31] <LtL> nuxil: just to be accurate ifconfig with no arguments doesn't require root permission.
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• 322[02:56:07] <nuxil> i need to sudo it.
• 323[02:56:37] <nuxil> i guess i missing some env path ?
• 324[02:56:53] <nuxil> yea
• 325[02:57:06] <nuxil> /sbin
• 326[02:57:18] <somebody> Hello. I'm installing Stretch on a ThinkPad, but I have trouble getting the right non-free firmware for wireless Intel. I thought the necessary ones, 'iwlwifi-6000g2a-5.ucode' and 'iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode' are supposed to be in the firmware-nonfree package, but the numbers on those found in the firmware-nonfree_20161130-4.debian.tar.xz are different.
• 327[02:57:21] <somebody> What are my options?
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• 329[02:57:49] <nuxil> how do i add /sbin to my user profiles eviourment thingy ?
• 330[02:57:55] <nuxil> export ?
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• 341[03:01:08] <broseph> somebody: This might not be helpful, but I ended up putting everything from the nonfree firmware package on a usb drive under /firmware and crossed my fingers. Did you already try that? :D
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• 344[03:02:10] <somebody> Yeah, broseph, I'm trying this as we speak, but I was hoping there'd be a more intelligent solution available. :P
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• 346[03:02:59] <broseph> Well, at first, I just put one of those files on the drive, then it asked for another file! So I just put them all on there. Not smart, but took less time.
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• 351[03:05:19] <nuxil> to add /sbin to $PATH permanently. do i just add to my .profiles file in my home dir. $PATH:/sbin ?
• 352[03:05:59] <nuxil> i mean PATH=$PATH....
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• 364[03:14:41] <nuxil> adding PATH="$PATH:/sbin" in my ~/.profiles file worked, one can also tweak the /etc/profiles file
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• 373[03:20:35] <broseph> somebody: Did it work?
• 374[03:21:12] <broseph> nuxil: What is it about ifconfig that its use is so important to you?
• 375[03:21:27] <somebody> broseph: One second, got distracted with the flash stick I was using dying on me.
• 376[03:21:40] <broseph> Aww
• 377[03:21:47] * broseph is rooting for somebody!
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• 379[03:24:06] <somebody> Heh, thanks.
• 380[03:25:21] <nuxil> broseph, it just boils down to that. its hard to teach a old dog new tricks :p .
• 381[03:25:42] <broseph> you can just type 'ip link' and you get a lot of info.
• 382[03:25:45] <nuxil> but adding PATH="$PATH:/sbin" to my user profile gets rid of other annoyance aswell
• 383[03:26:22] <broseph> And you don't have to add a bunch of directories to your $PATH.
• 384[03:26:43] <broseph> I hear you, though.
• 385[03:26:54] <broseph> You're a hipster ;)
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• 387[03:27:48] <broseph> 'ip addr' is basically like typing ifconfig with no arguments.
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• 389[03:27:58] <broseph> Also, this was helpful to me: replaced-url
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• 395[03:32:44] <somebody> Nope, broseph.
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• 398[03:33:27] <somebody> To double-check, can Debian installer read from ext3 filesystems?
• 399[03:34:01] <somebody> Because I put those in a folder called "firmware" on a stick with a ext3 filesystem.
• 400[03:34:08] <broseph> :(
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• 402[03:34:54] <abrotman> dpkg: tell somebody about firmware images
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• 407[03:35:51] <somebody> Yeah, sure, abrotman, but what happened to the official support?
• 408[03:35:59] <broseph> somebody: "The recommended file system to use is FAT as that is most certain to be supported during the early stages of the installation." replaced-url
• 409[03:36:21] <somebody> broseph, sure, gotta try this again with FAT.
• 410[03:36:46] <broseph> Hang in there! I spent a few hours doing it :( CentOS didn't have a problem with my wifi adapter.
• 411[03:37:02] <broseph> It's debian's philosophy regarding "non free" stuff that makes this more complicated.
• 412[03:37:08] <broseph> I had issues with my display adapter too.
• 413[03:37:12] <broseph> All is well now, though.
• 414[03:38:01] <somebody> Yeah, here's another thing.
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• 416[03:38:19] <somebody> On a graphical installer, my display's humble resolution isn't identified correctly.
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• 419[03:38:51] <somebody> Despite my having Intel graphics. This means that I'm going have to fiddle with that too, isn't it?
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• 423[03:40:34] <x032cx> why not try ext7 work well on thumbdrive, the installler might even do some flips while installing your driver
• 424[03:42:57] <somebody> Veeery funny.
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• 426[03:43:28] <x032cx> lol, ahh not a joke
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• 430[03:45:10] <broseph> somebody: network adapter first, get the install done, and then worry about other device drivers.
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• 437[03:46:08] <somebody> broseph, you know what, I'm going to walk a simpler path.
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• 439[03:46:58] <somebody> I can use a cable a little later today, let it pull what it wants from the internet.
• 440[03:47:04] <somebody> It can do that, right?
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• 450[03:49:37] <broseph> Probably
• 451[03:49:47] <broseph> Ethernet adapters seem better-supported.
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• 457[03:51:14] <somebody> Jesus Effing Christ. It's going to be 2019 soon, and Linux is still dealing with this...
• 458[03:51:23] <somebody> broseph, thanks for your help. See you later.
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• 545[04:52:24] <memfrob> Hey I'm having a problem with Debian. I installed deluge, but this stupid "connection manager" window pops up and deluge says "not connected"
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• 548[04:53:20] <memfrob> When you start deluge, a connection manager window shouldn't pop up, and it should automatically connect and do it's thing.
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• 550[04:53:48] <memfrob> All the stuff in "preferences" is greyed out as well. Any idea?
• 551[04:53:52] <Unit193> memfrob: Perhaps you want Classic mode? Preferences → Interface
• 552[04:54:13] <Unit193> Which deluge packages got installed?
• 553[04:55:06] <memfrob> deluge-gtk and now deluged to see if this would go away
• 554[04:55:27] <Unit193> deluge: You may want to install this package to use Deluge in classic mode, which means the daemon and the GTK+ user-interface are linked together.
• 555[04:56:07] <memfrob> Classic mode might be the fix.
• 556[04:56:33] <memfrob> which package?
• 557[04:56:57] <memfrob> it's working! :D
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• 563[05:05:06] <Unit193> Happy to help, deluge is a pretty good client whether you're using it locally or on a server.
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• 572[05:12:49] <memfrob> Unit193, thank you so much! Cheers mate, I hate to leech but at least it was an easy question
• 573[05:13:17] <memfrob> Does anyone else need help?
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• 581[05:24:51] <WoC> Seems like everything is git now-a-days, but i need to check out some source from a svn server, is it possible to find svn somewhere ?
• 582[05:25:16] <memfrob> WoC, svn in package speak is called "subversion"
• 583[05:25:26] <WoC> oh, ty
• 584[05:25:37] <memfrob> Yay I'm not leeching!
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• 587[05:31:20] <memfrob> WoC, while you're at it, host a git mirror of the svn repo and save someone else :P
• 588[05:32:07] <WoC> memfrob, my internet is so fast, switching to a V32 Modem would be an upgrade
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• 590[05:33:07] <WoC> Somehow, a server on 9600 bit/s may not qualify as a server
• 591[05:33:30] <memfrob> who even offers those speeds anymore? everything is at least a few hundred KB over DSL
• 592[05:33:52] <c|oneman> whats the cheapest fanless x86 hardware one can get
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• 594[05:34:00] <c|oneman> I mean like 20 bucks
• 595[05:34:22] <c|oneman> is there some first gen atom crap floating around somewhere
• 596[05:34:26] <WoC> Well, i live in Texas, if i was in Africa, maybe some humanitarian organization would have donated fiber optics
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• 598[05:35:30] <memfrob> Texas has all kinds of ISPs and tech, Dallas is pretty up there man.
• 599[05:35:52] <memfrob> I'm guessing this ain't Dallas :P
• 600[05:36:53] <memfrob> c|oneman, a pawn shop maybe?
• 601[05:37:00] <memfrob> ebay?
• 602[05:37:13] <c|oneman> hmm
• 603[05:37:29] <Epakai> maybe some of those atom stick pcs used
• 604[05:38:14] <memfrob> that's actually a pretty cool idea! PC on a stick!
• 605[05:38:15] <c|oneman> yeah
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• 607[05:38:23] <memfrob> I'll call it... x86 satay!
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• 609[05:38:52] <Epakai> even terrible old netbooks are hard to touch at that price though
• 610[05:39:21] <c|oneman> yeah this is gonna be a put out feelers and wait situation
• 611[05:39:25] <memfrob> missing keys, jizz stains, but hey it's cheap!
• 612[05:39:31] <c|oneman> wait for someone with a netbook with a busted display, right
• 613[05:39:49] <memfrob> or a busted display, that works too.
• 614[05:39:53] <c|oneman> bonus if the display is ripped off
• 615[05:39:57] <c|oneman> takes up less space
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• 626[05:55:21] <memfrob> Ok I helped! lol take care everyone! btw lol looks like drowning man
• 627[05:55:32] <memfrob> bye bye! thank you for helping me too!
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• 684[06:57:43] <JNash_DMIS> i report back a little later
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• 1004[10:48:48] <Wulf> agio: nope. Try iwconfig.
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• 1008[10:49:36] <Wulf> s/ap/essid/
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• 1135[12:06:30] <kre10s> Hello. Why is chromium not available ? replaced-url
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• 1138[12:07:55] <kre10s> I had chromium installed. but then one day it stopped running complaining about some wrong elf headers. (probably due to corruption from power outage) and now I cannot install it anymore.
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• 1142[12:08:49] <petn-randall> kre10s: Are you running buster?
• 1143[12:09:00] <centrix> Is it possible to search for deleted files under a specific directory? Ext4.
• 1144[12:09:01] <pagios> hi, can i use certbot to generate 1 certifivzte and use it on multiple servers? (same domain different ips / hostnames? )
• 1145[12:09:08] <petn-randall> ,v chromium
• 1146[12:09:09] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 69.0.3497.92-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 71.0.3578.80-1~deb9u1; sid: 71.0.3578.80-1
• 1147[12:09:32] <Wulf> pagios: sure
• 1148[12:09:41] <kre10s> petn-randall: yes.
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• 1150[12:09:46] <Wulf> pagios: but you need to figure out how to distribute key+cert to your servers
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• 1152[12:10:02] <petn-randall> centrix: Deleted files are gone forever. You can use forensic tools to recover the data of files with specific file format signatures, that's all.
• 1153[12:10:06] <pagios> Wulf, idea is to use same cert keys on multiple servers
• 1154[12:10:10] <petn-randall> centrix: I recommend recovering from backups.
• 1155[12:10:13] <pagios> and renew those keys to all once
• 1156[12:10:15] <petn-randall> !dbian-next
• 1157[12:10:20] <petn-randall> !debian-next
• 1158[12:10:20] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1159[12:10:25] <petn-randall> kre10s: ^^^
• 1160[12:10:29] <pagios> Wulf, possible?
• 1161[12:10:34] <Wulf> pagios: yes.
• 1162[12:10:42] <pagios> so the cert is not per host
• 1163[12:10:51] <Wulf> certs are for domains.
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• 1165[12:11:14] <petn-randall> pagios: LE certs are not a new type of certs. They're normal certs that get fetched automatically.
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• 1168[12:11:48] <pagios> i see, so i can generate certifcates for ANY domain i want, but if i am not the owner of that domain the crt in the browser will pop a warning
• 1169[12:12:02] <pagios> righT?
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• 1177[12:16:22] <petn-randall> pagios: Technically, yes. But Let's Encrypt won't sign any domain for you. Read up on the validation they do.
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• 1181[12:16:54] <petn-randall> You *can* generate a cert for "replaced-url
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• 1184[12:17:13] <centrix> petn-randall, what if the file has been overwritten. That may be even worse.
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• 1187[12:17:34] <petn-randall> centrix: That's irrelevant for your backups.
• 1188[12:17:53] <petn-randall> centrix: It'll be in your backups no matter if it got deleted or overwritten.
• 1189[12:17:59] <centrix> I undestand. No backup for the file.
• 1190[12:18:24] <centrix> Bad luck then, I guess.
• 1191[12:18:41] <petn-randall> !backup
• 1192[12:18:41] <dpkg> A backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*. if you value your sh*t in the least. Otherwise eons of built-up data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not; either by HD malfunction, intentional evil by crackers, mischievous glak elves invading your system, or large magnets getting out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (optionally with bzip2 at lowest compression). See <things to backup>.
• 1193[12:18:45] <petn-randall> !backups
• 1194[12:18:45] <dpkg> I don't need no steenkin backups. However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data. See <things to backup>, <qotd126>, <flw40>.
• 1195[12:19:06] <petn-randall> I think I'll have to update the upper factoid to stop talking about tape backups ... :)
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• 1198[12:20:06] <centrix> :) It is a log file and has been overwritten by the logrotate for I cannot find a command in history that would indicate an intentional removal.
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• 1200[12:22:27] <centrix> petn-randall, the partition the file was on cannot be unmounted. I am pretty much trapped I guess.
• 1201[12:22:43] <pagios> petn-randall, how do the ca make sure i own the domain?
• 1202[12:23:05] <Wulf> pagios: you need to solve a challenge. Read the acme specs.
• 1203[12:23:24] <pagios> the challenge is not dns related
• 1204[12:23:43] <petn-randall> I don't think you can recover log files efficiently. The thing with deleted files is that their meta-data is gone, so you can only scan the *complete* empty space for file signatures. There's no way to recover files from dir X, as the information which file was in dir X is gone.
• 1205[12:23:59] <petn-randall> pagios: Again, read up on the validation they do.
• 1206[12:24:05] <Wulf> pagios: replaced-url
• 1207[12:24:15] <Wulf> pagios: and of course it's DNS related.
• 1208[12:24:24] <petn-randall> pagios: replaced-url
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• 1210[12:25:16] <centrix> petn-randall, Though I know this all, I had to try to ask. You know the 'what-if' case. Thanks.
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• 1212[12:26:46] <petn-randall> centrix: I see. Btw, if it's a larger fleet of servers you administer, I recommend setting up centralized logging, like ELK or graylog. It really saves a lot of hassle.
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• 1230[12:39:25] <centrix> petn-randall, I know exactly how lines of the logfile began. Can I use grep to search over the whole partition?
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• 1233[12:40:37] <n4dir> probably grep -r (or -R).
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• 1235[12:41:09] <at0m> "whole partition" is probably bit crude. i'd find then grep
• 1236[12:41:37] <at0m> if you have any clue on the filename, that is
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• 1240[12:42:32] <n4dir> you could at least find only files, probably also something about time, etc, even if you don't know anything bout the name.
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• 1244[12:43:55] <centrix> n4dir, but the file may have been overwritten by the logrotate. Thus the filename may be the same with different data currently.
• 1245[12:44:54] <n4dir> i see. i meant to somehow grep only files which possibly my have it, as proposed by at0m, by which usage of find ever.
• 1246[12:44:57] <centrix> The only thing i know exactly is that each line began with date (DD/MM/YYYY)
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• 1248[12:45:02] <n4dir> not the details.
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• 1252[12:46:39] <centrix> n4dir, the name is the same and the file was truncated OR the name directed to the different inodes = rename.
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• 1255[12:47:36] <petn-randall> centrix: I guess some tools allow you to define a signature. Note however that it only works if the file was not fragmented on the filesystem. Also you'd need to define a "stop" block to define the end of the file, otherwise the forensic tool will just assume the end of the block device is the file end.
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• 1257[12:47:52] <n4dir> you could probably first of all "locate filename" then. (just awoke ... )
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• 1264[12:51:19] <centrix> petn-randall, n4dir I can use grep on mounted filesystem though, correct?
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• 1269[12:52:04] <n4dir> i'm not sure, but assume so
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• 1279[12:54:43] <petn-randall> centrix: I'd use photorec or whatever forensic tools Debian ships. There were a few others.
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• 1465[14:46:31] <petn-randall> jelly: We're using graylog. I guess it does the job. I recall watching a talk a while back comparing those two. If you're interested I find it again.
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• 1467[14:47:00] <petn-randall> Though, now that I think about it, I don't think it was recorded. :(
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• 1499[15:17:45] <emilengler> Is a debian maintainer/developer here ? I have some question can he/she/it pm me ?
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• 1510[15:23:35] <petn-randall> emilengler: It would be more helpful if you just ask your question in the channel.
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• 1512[15:26:53] <emilengler> petn-randall: Well I need something like a mentor who can guide me through the process of submitting a new package to debian
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• 1516[15:29:24] <petn-randall> emilengler: Ah, I'm glad you've asked!
• 1517[15:29:28] <petn-randall> !debian-mentors
• 1518[15:29:28] <dpkg> Find packaging help for the Debian project in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net. If the channel is invite-only it's because you missed it being on OFTC.
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• 1521[15:29:50] <emilengler> So what's the bot is doing right now ?
• 1522[15:29:57] <petn-randall> emilengler: Check out the channel above. ^^^ It's full of friendly people who are willing to help you.
• 1523[15:30:11] <emilengler> Ok thank you :)
• 1524[15:30:21] <petn-randall> dpkg: are you a a bot
• 1525[15:30:21] <dpkg> petn-randall: are you using Windows?
• 1526[15:30:26] <petn-randall> dpkg: are you a bot?
• 1527[15:30:26] <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
• 1528[15:30:30] <petn-randall> :)
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• 1546[15:36:35] <HD|Laptop> hello all
• 1547[15:36:50] <HD|Laptop> Is there a way to distribute KVM virtual machines over a pool of hosts?
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• 1553[15:37:33] <HD|Laptop> Basically, I have a couple of servers with a huge Netapp mounted as NFS storage. At the moment I do deployments, starting,stopping etc all by hand
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• 1559[15:43:18] <noodlepie> I'm only getting ~50kB/s from deb replaced-url
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• 1576[15:48:49] <toli> I have big issue with Debian as a guest on Hyper-V Windows 2012. Very often I have file system corrupt, after Windows backup. Any one, any experience ?
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• 1579[15:49:32] <petn-randall> toli: Sounds like a hyper-v problem to me. I don't think many people have experience with that.
• 1580[15:49:51] <petn-randall> *many people here
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• 1584[15:50:13] <toli> I think so, but I don't know where to find the answer, so
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• 1587[15:51:18] <petn-randall> Isn't there even commercial support for hyper-v?
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• 1606[16:01:39] <NetTerminalGene> apple bought debian
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• 1612[16:02:27] <xPaw> Hi, I have an odd issue I can't seem to figure out - core dumps are not being written (from php-fpm specifically, but i don't have any other dumps either). ulimit -c is set to unlimited (verified from /proc), installed systemd-coredump, but that didn't help either. What could the issue be?
• 1613[16:02:41] <xPaw> /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern was /tmp before, now it points to the systemd command
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• 1622[16:13:47] <xPaw> welp, solved that issue - had to set process.dumpable=yes in the pool config
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• 1654[16:25:08] <jim> NetTerminalGene, really? got a link?
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• 1683[16:42:56] <LtL> .. and yesterday the rumor was microsoft to buy debian.
• 1684[16:43:25] <greycat> Just ignore him, please. If he continues, he'll get longer and longer bans.
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• 1688[16:45:38] <Ede|Popede> how would this even happen? i mean, what legal form does debian have? at least it brought my attetion to the book written by Wulf Alex and Peter H. Ganten, which (naming the project) says: NONE. then mentioning the SPI.
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• 1697[16:46:25] <Ede|Popede> you can even sell fresh air due to its in parts limited availability, but debian? i don't think so :)
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• 1758[17:14:45] <petn-randall> Ede|Popede: Please ignore the trolls. Part of the trolling is to kick off a discussion that at best is offtopic.
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• 1800[17:36:34] <manuelschneid3r> what do I have to do to install external (not packaged) things before building a package
• 1801[17:36:56] <manuelschneid3r> e.g. in my case I have to download the virtualbox SDK before building my project
• 1802[17:37:08] <manuelschneid3r> VBoxSDk is not in the public repos
• 1803[17:38:00] <petn-randall> manuelschneid3r: It'll usually have installation instructions on the site. There's no general answer to that.
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• 1806[17:38:01] <greycat> If you're going to compile something, you'll need to figure out which Debian *-dev packages to install to allow that to happen.
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• 1808[17:38:01] <greycat> It's more art than science.
• 1809[17:38:04] <manuelschneid3r> as said there is no dev package for that
• 1810[17:38:23] <manuelschneid3r> I need to wget the headers and install them before building
• 1811[17:38:30] <manuelschneid3r> that works fine though
• 1812[17:38:38] <greycat> You keep saying "building".
• 1813[17:38:46] <manuelschneid3r> I just need to know how and where to do it while building a package
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• 1815[17:39:00] <greycat> "wget the headers"??
• 1816[17:39:01] <manuelschneid3r> yes building my package (albert) which needs the SDK
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• 1818[17:39:32] <manuelschneid3r> yes the VBox SDK archive has the headers needed to interface libvirtualbox
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• 1820[17:40:13] <petn-randall> manuelschneid3r: Just follow upstream's installation documentation.
• 1821[17:40:25] <greycat> installation of a proprietary SDK is done however they say to do it, tempered by your own sanity and knowledge of what would or would not break everything if done their way
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• 1826[17:41:22] <manuelschneid3r> guys :D I know how to get it on my system. it works well just a simply "cp -r …" the thing I want to know is where to put those lines in the debian files used for packaging
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• 1828[17:41:39] <petn-randall> what?
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• 1830[17:42:09] <manuelschneid3r> replaced-url
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• 1833[17:42:33] <manuelschneid3r> I have to execute these lines before the package is build.
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• 1835[17:42:44] <petn-randall> Yeah, that's not how packaging works.
• 1836[17:42:59] <manuelschneid3r> petn-randall, how does it work?
• 1837[17:43:24] <petn-randall> !nmg
• 1838[17:43:24] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
• 1839[17:43:28] <r4co0n> I'm trying to use sftp's ChrootDirectory option with user home directories as target. As I understand now, that won't work unless my home directory and all parent folders are owned and only writeable by root(, which doesn't make much sense for a home folder). Am I mistaken or is this how it works?
• 1840[17:43:31] <petn-randall> manuelschneid3r: That's a start. ^^^
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• 1842[17:43:50] <greycat> I ... am not certain whether he's talking about creating a *Debian* package or something else.
• 1843[17:44:27] <r4co0n> I'm using sftp provided by package openssh-server
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• 1845[17:44:37] <manuelschneid3r> greycat, actually I want to write deb files as generic as possible so that they can run on openSUSE build service
• 1846[17:44:46] <manuelschneid3r> replaced-url
• 1847[17:44:47] <greycat> *plonk*
• 1848[17:45:05] <greycat> Has to be a troll. I mean, come on.
• 1849[17:45:16] <manuelschneid3r> why?
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• 1853[17:46:37] <blackflow> r4co0n: that's how it works.
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• 1855[17:46:51] <manuelschneid3r> greycat, I'd prefer to see the vbox-sdk package in the official repo too. however there is none. thats why I have to hack around.
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• 1860[17:47:51] <manuelschneid3r> is it sane to override the dh_build in the debian.rules section and download and install the dependencies there?
• 1861[17:47:59] <blackflow> r4co0n: which then means, yes, the user can't create anything in their / (which is chrooted ~/ ) so important dirs and files must be pre-created.
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• 1864[17:48:45] <jhutchins_wk> Is xfce currently broken in stretch?
• 1865[17:49:00] <r4co0n> blackflow, sshd is blocking logins via sftp with ChrootDirectory unless all folders above and including ChrootDirectory are only writeable by root.
• 1866[17:49:07] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: wfm?
• 1867[17:49:25] <blackflow> r4co0n: right
• 1868[17:49:55] <jhutchins_wk> Oh, I know, I installed a test of xfdesktop. Probably need to R&R that.
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• 1870[17:50:02] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: has some issues with my user's session autostart, but it's been that way since 9.0 or maybe earlier
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• 1875[17:50:53] <blackflow> r4co0n: /home is already owned by root, so you the only need to chown /home/someuser to, say, root:someuser and chmod it to go-rwx but just /home/someuser. you can have normal user-owned, writable /home/user/somedir
• 1876[17:51:33] <blackflow> r4co0n: eh sorry, group someuser would need rx on /home/someuser.
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• 1878[17:52:17] <r4co0n> blackflow, I think he would want to upload stuff to so, rwx is right.
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• 1880[17:53:04] <r4co0n> blackflow, I don't have the system I'm working on reachable right now, it's a pity I don't have my exact configuration available.
• 1881[17:53:04] <blackflow> r4co0n: but not to chroot top, no
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• 1883[17:54:26] <r4co0n> blackflow, I think we are getting somewhere. I finally want a user to be able to write directly to an Apache htdocs directory for a site he owns.
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• 1886[17:55:21] <blackflow> r4co0n: right, eg. /home/someuser/htdocs/ can be owned and writable by someuser. but /home/someuser/ can't, that's the chroot's top dir, aka "root2.
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• 1888[17:55:31] <r4co0n> blackflow, so I need the chroot directory to be the parent directory of the htdocs directory
• 1889[17:55:34] <manuelschneid3r> greycat, why do you think I am trolling
• 1890[17:55:35] <blackflow> s/2\./"/
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• 1893[17:55:46] <r4co0n> blackflow, thanks, I think I can do it now :)
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• 1895[17:56:07] <jhutchins_wk> Is there a way to force removal of a package that is a dependency without removing the dependant packages?
• 1896[17:56:14] <blackflow> r4co0n: right. the restriction is chroot and UPWARD. ~/htdocs is "downward"
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• 1924[18:01:35] <jhutchins_wk> Got it with apt-get install package=version
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• 1938[18:06:01] <manuelschneid3r> greycat, idk why I should be trolling. The virtualbox-source pkg does _not_ contain the needed headers (xpcom.h etc). Since these are not packaged I have to get them by hand.
• 1939[18:06:19] <r4co0n> blackflow, funny thing is, I created a special rule to make group "sftp-users"'s AuthorizedKeyFile only be read from /etc, not from the homedir, but that seem's unnecessary now, as the user's home dir will be immutable to the user.
• 1940[18:06:37] <r4co0n> blackflow, I might still keep it, it doesn't hurt.
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• 1944[18:07:34] <blackflow> r4co0n: yes but ~/.ssh/authorized_keys won't be immutable
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• 1948[18:08:11] <r4co0n> blackflow, but the user would never be able to create '.ssh', would (s)he?
• 1949[18:08:23] <blackflow> nope, they won't
• 1950[18:09:01] <r4co0n> but then it might be created by sshd?
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• 1955[18:09:43] <r4co0n> blackflow, though it doesn't seem to be part of /etc/skel here
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• 1963[18:11:24] <blackflow> r4co0n: it won't be autocreated, no, at least not by openssh. you said that forcing authorized_keys file from /etc would not be necessary since ~/ is immutable. didn't make much sense to me, because either you have ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (which is not immutable) or you DO force anotehr path
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• 1969[18:12:38] <blackflow> r4co0n: presumable through AuthorizedKeyFile directive in a Match Group stanza
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• 1971[18:12:49] <rocketmagnet> hi folks
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• 1977[18:15:09] <rocketmagnet> i've a problem with a driver - i buyed a new HUION Graphic Display and found a driver for linux that works, now i want to create a init.d script that starts the driver. the problem is the driver is one shell script that does not end (the Graphic Display pen is working only if the script is running), and i need to run: xinput map-to-output 12 HDMI-0 after the first script is loaded
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• 1979[18:16:07] <r4co0n> blackflow, normally, first %u/.ssh/authorized_keys will be considered, then /etc/ssh/authorized/keys/%u - Normally, because group sftp-user only has the /etc/… part
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• 1982[18:16:27] <rocketmagnet> while the script is running, i've tried to run the command in the background and then call the xinput command but i'm not able to get it working
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• 1987[18:17:19] <r4co0n> blackflow, the first path should start with /home/%u
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• 1996[18:20:01] <blackflow> r4co0n: not quite sure what you're talking about, afaik openssh is not checking from a list of possible paths. default is ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and you can override that with AuthorizedKeysFile directive.
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• 1998[18:20:34] <blackflow> r4co0n: so either you do force an alternative path, or the default ~/.ssh/authorized_keys is applicable, must exist, owned by the user, and is thus mutable
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• 2005[18:24:02] <blackflow> rocketmagnet: if I understand you correctly, you need a service (that shell script you wanted to start in the bg), but the xinput command must likely be run as user, so probably part of a .xinitrc or something
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• 2009[18:24:51] <blackflow> however I do wonder what the shell script is doing. "drivers" are usually just kernel modules.
• 2010[18:25:42] <r4co0n> blackflow, I was talking about AuthorizedKeysFile with MatchGroup, as you suggested earlier. I gotta go now, thanks again, I really appreciated your help!
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• 2022[18:32:29] <rocketmagnet> blackflow: i think so
• 2023[18:33:14] <rocketmagnet> i've to start the script (start-driver.sh) and keeps running so the pensil is working and then i need the xinput command to setup the pensil and all that as a startup script
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• 2027[18:35:16] <rocketmagnet> the start-script.sh must be run as root and the xinput command as normal user
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• 2029[18:35:25] <rocketmagnet> blackflow: ^
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• 2035[18:37:50] <nemo> replaced-url
• 2036[18:37:55] <blackflow> rocketmagnet: so you've set it up that way, but it "doesn't work"? do you have more info on how it doesn't work? any error message? anything in dmesg? Xorg.0.log ?
• 2037[18:37:57] <nemo> gonna guess the wiki is just not maintained that much ☺
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• 2041[18:39:10] <rocketmagnet> blackflow: i don't know how to create an init.d script that start start-driver.sh as root and the call the xinput command as normal user
• 2042[18:39:37] <greycat> ... what?
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• 2046[18:41:15] <rocketmagnet> ./start-driver.sh &; xinput ... ??
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• 2048[18:42:36] <greycat> What does this start-driver.sh script actually *do*?
• 2049[18:42:44] <blackflow> rocketmagnet: which debian? just write a systemd service unit for the shell script. and I am guessing you can put the xinput line in ~/.xinitrc
• 2050[18:42:58] <blackflow> and I'd love to know what the shells cript does, too
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• 2053[18:43:07] <greycat> .xinitrc is almost certainly not going to be the file he wants
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• 2055[18:44:01] <greycat> Anyway, without knowing what that "driver" script does, there is no way to know where to put it. As for "xinput", that sounds like an X11 client program, so it needs to be run in the user's X session, **NOT** at boot time, **NOT** in an init.d script, and why on earth are people still writing init.d in the first place?
• 2056[18:44:28] <blackflow> possibly. I'm not too familiar with various DE integrations with xinit. for my i3wm use case, ~/.xinitrc is the place to go for this
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• 2058[18:44:53] <greycat> .xinitrc is ONLY read by startx and ONLY if you aren't using .xsession instead, which has been the recommended place in Debian for like 15 or 20 years
• 2059[18:45:07] <greycat> .xsession is used by both startx and xdm
• 2060[18:45:33] <blackflow> .xsession then, I stand corrected.
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• 2062[18:45:41] <greycat> And given the lack of detail coming from this person, I am going to guess he's not using startx. Most likely he has installed one of the Desktop Environments and using a display manager to login.
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• 2064[18:46:20] <rocketmagnet> replaced-url
• 2065[18:46:51] <blackflow> hacky
• 2066[18:46:57] <rocketmagnet> i'm on debian etch
• 2067[18:47:13] <rocketmagnet> i know it's hacky but's it's the only driver i found that's working
• 2068[18:47:14] <blackflow> you are what
• 2069[18:47:27] <greycat> !etch
• 2070[18:47:27] <dpkg> Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. replaced-url
• 2071[18:47:27] <rocketmagnet> ?
• 2072[18:47:33] <greycat> seriously, dude, that is not supported
• 2073[18:47:39] <rocketmagnet> debian stable
• 2074[18:47:44] <greycat> *plonk*
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• 2077[18:48:30] <blackflow> oh STRetch :)
• 2078[18:48:33] * mutante adds a "str" to rocketmagnet
• 2079[18:49:22] <blackflow> rocketmagnet: at any rate to start shell scripts as services on boot, I'd recommend writing a systemd service unit, it's very simple. docs and examples: replaced-url
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• 2081[18:50:04] <blackflow> I'm guessing you'll need Type=simple, if you say you need to start the shell script and keep it running.
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• 2083[18:50:46] <mutante> the really hack way is to just start it in /etc/rc.local /me hides
• 2084[18:51:03] <greycat> rc.local gets a bad rap. Really, it's not a bad answer in many cases.
• 2085[18:51:23] <greycat> But not knowing what this script *does*, it's impossible to say what should be done with it.
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• 2098[18:57:08] <rocketmagnet> blackflow: where to place the systemd.service file ?
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• 2101[18:57:21] <Nongrik> I bought a mini 1080p HDMI monitor, it's fine during boot but in the OS it's heavily purple tinted. I did some reading and it's probably YCbCr vs RGB output. For Raspbian you just add hdmi_pixel_encoding=(1 or 4) in the config file but I can't find anything on how to do set YCbCr or RGB in Debian Stretch, man xrandr doesn't show me anything either, does anyone know how? Thank you,
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• 2111[19:01:26] <blackflow> rocketmagnet: you actually need to name it somehow differently but with .service suffix, and put it in /etc/systemd/system/
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• 2115[19:02:42] <greycat> If we're seriously trying to teach him how to write systemd services, there's also replaced-url
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• 2120[19:03:20] <blackflow> ah, cool.
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• 2130[19:07:33] <BCMM> Nongrik: are you using a raspberry pi?
• 2131[19:07:45] <BCMM> Nongrik: or trying to make the same monitor that worked on your raspberry pi work somewhere else?
• 2132[19:07:51] <blackflow> thought that second paragraph is a total lie :) if ONLY systemd built upon the knowledge and experience of daemontools and runit and methinks nosh came later... then we wouldn't have issues like sysloging going titsup because journald restarted and lost pipes FDs
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• 2134[19:08:45] <greycat> Well, we do have to present things in a simplistic way.
• 2135[19:08:45] <BCMM> Nongrik: config.txt is read by the Pi's equivalent of a BIOS - it doesn't matter what distro you're using
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• 2137[19:09:03] <greycat> And it is absolutely NOT the right place to start a systemd flame war.
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• 2139[19:09:41] <blackflow> oh I'm not flaming, I actualy like and use systemd, though I think the implementation is abominable.
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• 2156[19:18:06] <Nongrik> BCMM, i'm on Debian, the only answer I could find was for a Raspberry Pi :X. Was hoping there was an equivalent way of doing the same thing on Debian.
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• 2166[19:22:28] <Nongrik> BCMM, i'm on an Intel NUC
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• 2199[19:39:07] <Truxx> I had win10 with an EPS partition+one windows partition on a hdd. Created a free partiton on that hdd, encrypted it and on an LVM Group I have the required home, root, swap logical volumes. Do I understand correctly that with EPS I won't need to create a separate /boot partition?
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• 2203[19:39:55] <Truxx> Since that EPS partition will be in use? Maybe someone could point in the right direction...
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• 2207[19:41:43] <rwp> Hi Truxx. I am not sure but I think because your root is encrypted that you need an unencrypted /boot and the ESP partition does not hold /boot.
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• 2209[19:42:05] <rwp> But there may be some technique to get it to work that I don't know about.
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• 2214[19:43:44] <Truxx> rwp: Yes, I had that setup with a separate boot partition before without EFI and it was easy to configure (since it was all about to create a 500 MB /boot partition for GRUB, which did care about Windows too).
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• 2218[19:45:00] <Truxx> Now I'm not sure how to configure that EFI partition in the graphical install - if it's possible to do that...
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• 2220[19:46:49] <manuelschneid3r> What do I have to do if I want to build a package which uses code that is not in the official repos?
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• 2230[19:51:16] <Truxx> Hmmm, maybe the solution is for that EPS partition grub-efi
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• 2240[19:57:05] <Kobaz> so on boot i'm getting a lockup on: waiting for lock on /run/network/ifstate.eth0
• 2241[19:57:26] <Kobaz> after a few reboots it will not get hung up on that eventually
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• 2257[20:06:06] <Kobaz> actually
• 2258[20:06:14] <Kobaz> it seems to be completely broken depending on which kernel i boot with
• 2259[20:06:34] <Kobaz> booting with 4.14 works every time
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• 2262[20:07:04] <Kobaz> if i boot with linux-image-4.16.0-2-amd64 or linux-image-4.18.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64, it never boots, gets stuck on waiting for lock
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• 2269[20:09:27] <rocketmagnet> blackflow: it now is working beside that when i run systemctl start myserver.service he never return from the call, i think i'm using the wrong Type
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• 2272[20:10:13] <blackflow> rocketmagnet: which Type are you using?
• 2273[20:10:20] <rocketmagnet> forking
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• 2276[20:11:12] <blackflow> rocketmagnet: why? you said you had to run that shell script and it stays running, ie. never exits, correct? for that you need Type=simple
• 2277[20:12:02] <rocketmagnet> ah ok
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• 2279[20:12:48] <rocketmagnet> still the same, he does not return from the call
• 2280[20:13:06] <blackflow> rocketmagnet: did you systemctl daemon-reload after changing the unit file?
• 2281[20:13:20] <rocketmagnet> yes, replaced-url
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• 2286[20:14:21] <blackflow> rocketmagnet: RemainAfterExit you don't need that
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• 2293[20:16:35] <rocketmagnet> now i only need to call the xinput command... i've added a line to ~/.xinitrc with the xinput file but that doesn't change a thing, does i have to reboot to make this changes take place ?
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• 2297[20:17:40] <blackflow> rocketmagnet: use .xsession instead of .xinitrc. .xinitrc was my faulty guess
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• 2299[20:18:45] <rocketmagnet> it's working :) :)
• 2300[20:18:55] <rocketmagnet> thans you alot my friend :)
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• 2304[20:19:29] <blackflow> !next
• 2305[20:19:30] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 2309[20:20:18] <rocketmagnet> hehe
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• 2314[20:22:19] <Truxx> Hmmm, I expected with UEFI on (instead of Legacy) but Secure Boot disabled, it will boot into the Debian live system. Well, it won't...
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• 2345[20:44:34] <Truxx> Well, actually it will, after the live USB got repaired... :D
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• 2376[21:01:25] <trysten> a kernel update gives me a blank screen on boot, after the report about the disks. Recovery mode shows more text before something happens and the screen goes dark. How should I start troubleshooting this?
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• 2378[21:02:03] * greycat spins the Wheel of Guessing and it lands on ... testing/unstable
• 2379[21:02:06] <trysten> It's just the kernel setting the resolution for the console, no X. I seem to remember a kernel option to override some video settings
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• 2392[21:07:58] <joepublic> trysten, just curious, what video adapter do you have, what kernel version is it, and what does /etc/debian_version say?
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• 2399[21:10:43] <karlpinc> trysten: zless /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-4.9/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt.gz See also /etc/default/grub Don't forget to run update-grub.
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• 2404[21:11:32] <cps> our server is been blocked by cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org.
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• 2504[22:07:12] <jhutchins_wk> trysten: Is the old kernel still installed or was it replaced?
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• 2524[22:13:57] <chocolate> what's the best way to give permission to the user modify /var/replaced-url
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• 2527[22:14:41] <VinAlencc> chocolate: My recommendation, include the user in a "Web group" and give permission to the group. To access this path.
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• 2531[22:15:13] <chocolate> VinAlencc: like this chgrp joe /var/replaced-url
• 2532[22:15:40] <VinAlencc> chocolate: No
• 2533[22:15:53] <SerajewelKS> create a replaced-url
• 2534[22:16:12] <chocolate> ok
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• 2542[22:18:34] <SerajewelKS> chocolate: then "chgrp -R replaced-url
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• 2548[22:19:19] <VinAlencc> chocolate: You can do something like this (as root): addgroup replaced-url
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• 2551[22:19:36] <SerajewelKS> note that the user typically has to log out and back in to acquire new groups
• 2552[22:19:39] <chocolate> thank you guys
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• 2554[22:19:46] <VinAlencc> Also, including like: chown .replaced-url
• 2555[22:20:01] <SerajewelKS> first command: change group ownership of all files under /var/replaced-url
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• 2558[22:20:12] <SerajewelKS> second command: give group write permission on everything under /var/replaced-url
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• 2561[22:20:55] <SerajewelKS> third command: make all directories under and including /var/replaced-url
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• 2630[22:44:49] <hweaving> rwp: FYI after manually updating libc6:amd64 to match the version of libc6:i386, I made progress and now my apt and dpkg setup appears to use amd64 by default :D
• 2631[22:45:03] <hweaving> Next up will probably be the long process of switching all the i386 packages over to amd64 equivalents
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• 2640[22:46:04] <rwp> Good progress hweaving! Congratulations on moving forward with it.
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• 2643[22:47:00] <rwp> hweaving, The rule is: See one. Do one. Teach one. You should write up your experience in a blog posting! :-)
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• 2652[22:50:01] <SerajewelKS> badloop: sure, just pipe it. journalctl -f | grep whatever
• 2653[22:50:01] <hweaving> Also my next adventure is probably going to be installing Debian onto a store-fresh HP laptop, possibly to dual boot with Windows 10
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• 2655[22:50:07] <vlt> badloop: Yes. `journalctl -f | grep ...` should work.
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• 2657[22:50:12] <hweaving> It's a low-power laptop so I hope Debian won't be too heavy on it
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• 2659[22:50:39] <n4dir> probabl rather a question of the DE running.
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• 2666[22:52:04] <n4dir> well: and the web-browser.
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• 2675[22:56:28] <rwp> hweaving, It used to be that when buying a laptop one would always search for someone else's writeup of their experience with it before committing to the purchase. These days most things work okay and the bad wifi and network hardware are less often found. But still found. You should also consider continuing that and writing up your experience with your particular model of laptop too.
• 2676[22:57:27] <hweaving> *nod*
• 2677[22:57:43] <hweaving> I could put it on tumblr but they just banned all adult content
• 2678[22:57:56] <hweaving> and installing Linux on an HP laptop may or may not be child's play
• 2679[22:58:56] <rwp> Haha! Too true! Especially if one includes the swear words that are emitted during the process.
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• 2681[22:59:34] <ryouma> on jessie, there are many changes today. they were not announced on the lts mailing list i am subscribed to. where do i go to find out about them? 187 upgraded, 173 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
• 2682[23:00:01] <badloop> SerajewelKS: that doesn't seem to work...
• 2683[23:00:05] <badloop> which is why i asked
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• 2685[23:00:27] <rwp> hweaving, As far as heavy process for a light laptop goes the heaviest process is chromium for me. It is a pig. It is always active. Good to pkill -STOP chromium when not using it.
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• 2687[23:00:50] <ryouma> what does stop do?
• 2688[23:01:20] <rwp> ryouma, Either security ugprades or perhaps a new stable point release.
• 2689[23:01:27] <hweaving> Roger, I'm probably going to go for firefox
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• 2691[23:01:29] <n4dir> rwp: i only start heave browser when i really need them, and let a small browser run all the time (to copy/past links there, etc)
• 2692[23:01:33] <hweaving> and noscript
• 2693[23:01:41] <hweaving> I used lynx back in the day ;)
• 2694[23:01:47] <ryouma> rwp: great. is there a website that describes such changes? i tried the debian wiki and a search.
• 2695[23:01:49] <n4dir> that should work :-)
• 2696[23:01:51] <rwp> yuastnav, SIGSTOP will job control stop the process. You can continue it with sig continue aka pkill -CONT chromium.
• 2697[23:02:05] <ryouma> rwp: it is oldstable
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• 2699[23:02:25] <rwp> Oops, wrong nick TAB completion yuastnav, sorry!
• 2700[23:02:36] <ryouma> ah so c-z fg
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• 2702[23:03:26] <rwp> Security advisory of changes is easy. replaced-url
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• 2704[23:04:20] <rwp> Point releases will be notified replaced-url
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• 2706[23:05:04] <blackflow> "exploits are closed before people can exploit them" ... is a bit misleading. That applies only to vulns discovered by Debian secteam, or vulns under embargo and disclosed only to select distros/secteams.
• 2707[23:05:04] <rwp> The last Jessie point release was made in June. But there have been security upgrades for it continuously as needed since then.
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• 2709[23:05:19] <blackflow> for all the rest, public vulns are made public elsewhere first.
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• 2713[23:06:19] <rwp> Right. But if a bug is responsibly disclosed by a security researcher to the upstream and the upstream also notifies downstreams of the issue then things flow through in that way.
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• 2715[23:06:45] <rwp> If a zero day is simply exposed to the world then everyone must play catch up as quickly as possible. It's jungle scramble in that case.
• 2716[23:06:52] <blackflow> except it doesn't work like that in practice. researchers disclose responsibly to upstreams which then releae a new version and make it public.
• 2717[23:07:02] <blackflow> it can take months before the vuln is fixed in distros like debian.
• 2718[23:07:39] <rwp> I think the result in practice is that it varies and is all over the place. There are definitely examples of all possible cases available to point at.
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• 2721[23:08:07] <rwp> But I think what I said is still true. Security releases always appear in the repository before the announcement of them by Debian is made.
• 2722[23:08:17] <blackflow> That's why I insist on not relying on updates. Sure, if there's an update, apply it asap, but don't rely on it being there and mitigate elsewhere first.
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• 2724[23:08:27] <rwp> Therefore one doing a daily upgrade will see a security upgrade come through and will not have a notice to read yet.
• 2725[23:08:29] <blackflow> rwp: that part is correct yes, DSAs are published when fixes hit the mirrors.
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• 2729[23:09:56] <rwp> So everything I said on that line was okay and if I had not added that last editorial rationale statement then there would have been no complaint? Gotcha.
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• 2731[23:10:40] <blackflow> rwp: well your post implied that exploits are closed before people can exploit them which is a bit misleading because they are not :)
• 2732[23:10:53] <rwp> Fair enough. Sorry.
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• 2736[23:12:52] <blackflow> rwp: what grinds my gears here is teh sorry state of overall FOSS security and I'd have a tendency ot very much make discussions on that topic aware of that little fact, lest we lull ourselves into delusion of security just because, say, Debian does a great job of backporting and publishing DSAs and tracking it all.
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• 2747[23:17:01] <rwp> blackflow, Again I think there are examples one can point to that are terrible along with examples that are quite good. Do you really think the majority of them are really bad?
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• 2753[23:18:48] <blackflow> rwp: I know they are. vast majority of vulns fixed in debian packages have been publicly known for days, weeks, months before. they are fixed in debian as soon as possible, but it's far from it being undisclosed in debian until there's a fix, for general public.
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• 2755[23:19:10] <blackflow> (and this is not specific to debian, but distros in general)
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• 2758[23:20:32] <rwp> It certainly seems to be much better in FLOSS than in proprietary software. I feel like you may be right but it is still the best system we have available.
• 2759[23:20:33] <blackflow> when stretch was coming out, during the entire period of freeze there was a Bind9 vuln which we saw attempted to be exploited weeks before it was fixed in Debian (took a few months due to the freeze).
• 2760[23:21:22] <blackflow> rwp: not sure it's the best. linux kernel devs insistence on not assigning CVEs, for example, totally does not help this.
• 2761[23:21:25] <blackflow> but, offtopic.
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• 2765[23:22:29] <hweaving> I migrated most or all x-server packages over to amd64 and rebooted
• 2766[23:22:34] <hweaving> command-line login only offered D:
• 2767[23:22:37] <kirillkh> I'm using StrongSwan 5.5.1-4 on Debian Stretch. When I set auto=add or auto=start, everything works as expected. When I set auto=route, it connects, but doesn't set the default route in table 220 to have src appropriate for the tunnel. ipsec.conf and 'ip route show table 220' output: replaced-url
• 2768[23:22:43] <rwp> IRC and the live typing one line at a time is good for many things but having a deep discussion of all aspects of complex topics like security is a hard one. Some flexibility of reading is needed.
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• 2770[23:22:56] <hweaving> I have to take a break but that's my next thing to fix, getting XServer back up and running, ha
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• 2776[23:24:44] <ryouma> just to clarify. "They always appear in the release before they are announced. So that exploits are closed before people can exploit them." the sole problem with this statement being that publically-known ones (but not disclosed in debian) are often in principle exploited before they are closed in debian?
• 2777[23:24:48] <blackflow> rwp: true. my whole point here being let's not kid ourselves, and apply mitigations in context of never trusting software at all.
• 2778[23:24:59] <ryouma> not sure which mailing lists to subscribe to for jessie and stretch
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• 2781[23:25:13] <Wulf> blackflow: When designing a system, you should expect that software has exploitable bugs. Be prepared for this :-)
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• 2783[23:25:22] <blackflow> Wulf: sure
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• 2787[23:26:03] <ryouma> looks like torbrowser-launcher is no longer part of jessie?
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• 2789[23:26:04] <rwp> ryouma, For Jessie you would want lts-announce list. For Stable you want security-announce list.
• 2790[23:26:16] <ryouma> thanks
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• 2793[23:27:25] <blackflow> ryouma: not that they "are often in princple" but they "could be" because vulns being disclosed by a DSA could've been (and usually are) known to general public for days, weeks, months before that.
• 2794[23:27:36] <ryouma> ok
• 2795[23:27:49] <blackflow> or in other words, DSA publication is in vast majority of cases NOT the first word about that vuln.
• 2796[23:28:03] <ryouma> is often in principle wrong?
• 2797[23:28:20] <ryouma> brain not working well enough to distinguish
• 2798[23:28:22] <blackflow> I don' thave a statistics on "often" in this case
• 2799[23:28:27] <ryouma> ah
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• 2801[23:28:51] <blackflow> some vulns are obscure, some theoretical and some alredy being exploited in the wild, by the time the DSA lands.
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• 2804[23:30:01] <blackflow> ryouma: considering there's a healthy black market for undisclosed vulns.... I'd say they're being exploited often enough to make it a profitable business in trading them.
• 2805[23:30:40] <blackflow> heh, not just black market. Zerodium openly admits they're trading in them.
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• 2808[23:30:52] <ryouma> you said "vast majority" at one point so i figured "often in principle" would be close. but again brain not working.
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• 2811[23:31:54] <blackflow> ryouma: yes, vast majority are _known_ before the DSA. I don't know how often they're actively being exploited, before the DSA.
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• 2813[23:32:08] <blackflow> it's one thing to know about a vuln and quite another to have a working PoC in the wild.
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• 2817[23:33:58] <blackflow> a tiny disclaimer: I'm a gentoo security scout and it's part of my $job to know about vulns ASAP, which is way before major distros make a SA.
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• 2820[23:34:24] <ryouma> ok, i don't gett his. i said no to apt-get making so many changes to my system. now i upgrade again and it DOESN'T OFFER ME THE CHANGES THIS TIME. i'm confused.
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• 2822[23:35:36] <mutante> ryouma: you can check /var/log/apt/history.log to check what has been upgrade for real..or not
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• 2825[23:36:15] <ryouma> mutante: yeah, nothing there
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• 2827[23:36:30] <blackflow> ryouma: perchance you ran autoremove and those packages no longer have updates pending?
• 2828[23:36:40] <ryouma> (for today, despite enormous numbers of changes previously offered to me by apt-get.)
• 2829[23:37:15] <ryouma> didn't run autoremove, but why would that affect what upgrade offers me?
• 2830[23:37:42] <rwp> There is also /var/log/dpkg.log for what actually gets installed too.
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• 2833[23:38:18] <rwp> If you have not ran apt-get update recently then do to update the cached index (Packages) and check again.
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• 2835[23:38:53] <rwp> If you remember or have scrollback to see the name of an individual package then check it with 'apt-cache policy $packagename' and see what versions are where.
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• 2848[23:44:43] <smk> is there a way to reconfigure the network port?
• 2849[23:44:56] <smk> I just installed an old hdd into new pc
• 2850[23:45:03] <rwp> yes smk. Of course! :-)
• 2851[23:45:17] <smk> ifup is giving me "no $interface dfined"
• 2852[23:45:41] <smk> cool rwp, via command line cause I use fluxbox
• 2853[23:46:05] <rwp> It would be useful to see the full output of 'ip addr show' put into a pastebin. And also to know which version of Debian you are running.
• 2854[23:46:09] <rwp> !pastebin
• 2855[23:46:09] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 2856[23:46:11] <ryouma> rwp: yeah, for example, ant is supposed to be installed (for who knows what reason), but is not installed. and update and upgrade are saying nothing needs installing.
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• 2860[23:47:09] <rwp> ryouma, Huh? What does 'apt-cache policy ant' say? Was it installed but then removed and not there now?
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• 2862[23:47:36] <smk> oh i'm actually on my phone now
• 2863[23:47:38] <rwp> Sounds to me like those were removed and are no longer installed. Therefore no upgrade now.
• 2864[23:47:45] <smk> using jessie
• 2865[23:48:04] <rwp> Okay smk. I suspect that the device is there. But /etc/udev/rules/70-persistent-net.rules needs to be updated for the device.
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• 2867[23:48:18] <ryouma> it was not installed. earlier, apt-get wanted to install it. i said no. apt-cache policy says it is not installed. apt-get is whistling and shuffling its feet. it says nothing needs to be isntalled.
• 2868[23:48:27] <rwp> That file names the device according to the ethernet address. But you moved the disk into a different system. With a different ethernet address.
• 2869[23:48:34] <ryouma> rwp:
• 2870[23:48:42] <rwp> Therefore on the new system it rotated the device name up from eth0 to eth1. Or some such.
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• 2874[23:49:00] <rwp> This will display as the new name in ip addr show (shortest abbreviation is 'ip a').
• 2875[23:49:14] <smk> the ip address show gives me the enp3s0 driver
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• 2877[23:49:25] <rwp> You can often remove the 70-persistent-net.rules file and reboot and it will be generated fresh as if it were a new install with the new NICs on your system.
• 2878[23:49:41] <rwp> Note that all of this changes in Stretch in your future.
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• 2881[23:50:18] <rwp> smk, Check /etc/network/interfaces for the enp3s0 name and see if that is what it says there. or if it says something different.
• 2882[23:50:30] <smk> ya I actually used to just nuke 70-persistent-bet.rules
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• 2884[23:50:46] <rwp> Oh good. Then you are familiar with that part of the problem.
• 2885[23:50:51] <smk> but that dir actually is empty now and /lib/udev holds all those files
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• 2888[23:51:41] <rwp> Sounds like you are running systemd on Jessie. Therefore you might also be running NetworkManager. In which case you will not have any entries in /etc/network/interfaces. And will need to tell NetworkManager about the new interface.
• 2889[23:52:08] <smk> ahh the interfaces file has old enp3s0 driver
• 2890[23:52:23] <rwp> Old driver name? Yes. Then change that to the new name.
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• 2892[23:52:47] <ryouma> rwp: replaced-url
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• 2894[23:53:17] <smk> k just editest the file replacing 5 for 3
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• 2896[23:54:20] <smk> yay great success
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• 2898[23:54:36] <smk> \o/ props thanks much
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• 2900[23:54:44] <rwp> ryouma, I see lots of backports packages there. That is an important note. Perhaps there was some interaction with backports?
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• 2902[23:55:13] <rwp> Good news indeed smk!
• 2903[23:55:24] <ryouma> huh, i only have a few backports i thought
• 2904[23:55:34] <annadane> will unattended upgrades send an email if it's unable to complete an upgrade due to dependency issues?
• 2905[23:55:43] <smk> so just ip addr show lists driver, confirming with grep works.. then plugging into /etc/network/interfaces and we set
• 2906[23:55:45] <ryouma> but i made no changes. why would apt-get make a change without me making any change?
• 2907[23:55:46] <rwp> Because it is wanting to install ant from backports as a new package. Something is wanting to pull that in on your system.
• 2908[23:55:54] <smk> than you rwp cheers
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• 2911[23:56:51] <rwp> annadane, I know nothing about unattended upgrades. Someone else may know something.
• 2912[23:57:32] <rwp> ryouma, apt-get has not made any changes unless you have run the command and confirmed it to do something.
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• 2914[23:58:01] <ryouma> rwp: what i mean is, it wanted a lot of changes, now does not
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• 2916[23:58:09] <rwp> ryouma, Did you add backports just recently to your sources.list file?
• 2917[23:58:17] <ryouma> no
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• 2919[23:58:35] <ryouma> been there forever
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• 2924[23:59:33] <rwp> Change anything in /etc/apt/preferences*/* ?
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• 2926[23:59:52] <rwp> Looking at the first one in the list "autoconf (2.69-8 => 2.69-10~bpo8+1)" that definitely wants to upgrade from backports.
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