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86 [00:45:53] <storrgie> I've just installed debian and I'm trying to use the mkvirtualenv to.. well make a virtualenv and I'm getting this error: replaced-url
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122 [01:03:57] <__m4ch1n3__> how do i create a mountable image file with a filesystem
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124 [01:04:07] <__m4ch1n3__> e.g ext4
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134 [01:08:39] <__m4ch1n3__> should i dd first a empty file of x size or can i mkfs directly to file?
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162 [01:24:51] <storrgie> I guess I'm just pretty well blown away that I can't use virtualenv right out of the box on debian
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165 [01:25:54] <annadane> er... what is mkvirtualenv? i just make virtualenv's using virtualenv...
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167 [01:26:15] <annadane> anyway i don't know how to solve your problem sorry
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224 [01:52:11] <Ede|Popede> python stuff. no idea why i installed it some time ago, but it created some scripts in it's dotdir and added *a lot* of functions to the env. i did create a user to play around with it and keep my default environment clean, but no....
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293 [02:46:14] <sleepingforest> i want to set up another xsession profile. i currently use xfce on the go and when im at home i want to use i3 or something similar. how do i create multiple profiles?
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316 [03:04:51] <karlpinc> sleepingforest: Usually you just install another window manager and use a menu of some sort in your dm to say which you want when you login.
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318 [03:06:22] <karlpinc> sleepingforest: Depending on the dm it happens automatically.
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347 [03:45:19] <\dev\cache> Hi guys I am having issues with debian loading firmware for iwlwifi-9260, so is there an option for me to get it to work, without having to get internet somehow first?
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402 [04:24:54] <awal1> ,v firestarter
403 [04:24:55] <judd> Package: firestarter on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.3-11
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427 [04:34:54] <kion> how do I install the linux kernel from backports?
428 [04:36:07] <kion> sudo apt -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64?
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432 [04:42:23] <awal1> I want check ufw log without admin privileges. since ufw/gufw have no "live" feature I am thinking in using 'watch' but "watch -c -p -n 5 -d less /var/log/ufw.log" doesn't do the job as I want.
433 [04:42:49] <awal1> well, i do that now as root
434 [04:43:15] <SerajewelKS> why not use tail -f
435 [04:43:30] <awal1> witch utility I can use with watch
436 [04:43:32] <awal1> ok
437 [04:43:39] <awal1> let me look at tail
438 [04:43:42] <joepublic> tail -f is not for use with watch
439 [04:43:42] <SerajewelKS> just 'tail -f /var/log/ufw.log'
440 [04:43:49] <SerajewelKS> without watch
441 [04:43:52] <awal1> ok
442 [04:43:56] <joepublic> no need for watch, tail does its own watchcing
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446 [04:45:22] <awal1> i rarely had to use tail
447 [04:45:37] <awal1> so tail will refresh output or not?
448 [04:45:50] <awal1> i see it does ok
449 [04:46:03] <joepublic> tail -f is designed for exactly this
450 [04:46:22] <awal1> nice
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452 [04:47:04] <awal1> possible to make my regular user see some admin stuff without su/sudo ?
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456 [04:48:03] <awal1> for example like with journalctl, one just add the user and no need of root for it
457 [04:48:22] <awal1> or dmesg modifying default config
458 [04:48:39] <awal1> what about ufw stuff precisely?
459 [04:49:21] <joepublic> you can do what you want with the sudo nopasswd facility and shell scripts.
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461 [04:50:42] <awal1> ok. i will check that
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463 [04:51:34] <awal1> i think i never used sudo with debian
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465 [04:51:57] <joepublic> root can run visudo to edit the sudoers file.
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467 [04:52:19] <awal1> possible to install and configure it but continue using just su and sudo just when really needed?
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470 [04:52:41] <mutante> awal1: yea, you still have su
471 [04:52:43] <joepublic> let me understand. you have never used sudo so you want to just keep using sudo.
472 [04:52:47] <mutante> awal1: sudo su :p
473 [04:53:01] <joepublic> ah, you are using su mostly. got it.
474 [04:53:04] <joepublic> with sudo'
475 [04:53:13] <awal1> mutante, ok
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477 [04:53:21] <joepublic> with sudo's nopasswd you can give a user permission to run some commands with sudo and no password.
478 [04:53:24] <awal1> joepublic, no , i never used sudo
479 [04:53:32] <awal1> i mean i us just su
480 [04:53:34] <awal1> now
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482 [04:53:44] <joepublic> then you can make a script like 'checkufw' or something that calls what you need with sudo
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485 [04:54:08] <mutante> awal1: people mean different things, sometimes they just assume sudo means "any command as root" and sometimes they mean "just a few specific commands are allowed that are listed and somebody picked"
486 [04:54:19] <mutante> it depends on the config in sudoers file
487 [04:54:45] <joepublic> my example line from a sudoers file: joe ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/ip, /usr/bin/curlftpfs, /usr/bin/cpufreq-set
488 [04:55:10] <joepublic> allows the user 'joe' to do sudo ip, sudo curlftpfs, and sudo cpufreq-set with no password.
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490 [04:55:29] <awal1> my doubt is exactly: if i install sudo and configure it and I want root i must run sudo su or i can still just use su - ?
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493 [04:55:39] <joepublic> you can just su -
494 [04:55:44] <awal1> ok
495 [04:55:46] <joepublic> or sudo something to just run something as root
496 [04:55:50] <awal1> good
497 [04:56:08] <mutante> awal1: both will work
498 [04:56:22] <joepublic> I use both depending on what I am doing.
499 [04:56:54] <mutante> if i know i am going to need a lot of commands as root in a row , i might as well become real root. if it's just a one-off, more likely to only use sudo
500 [04:57:16] <awal1> nice. thanks joepublic and mutante. I will read about sudo so.
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502 [04:57:28] <joepublic> luck. peace.
503 [04:57:33] <awal1> :)
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505 [04:58:11] <awal1> i fact i never understood why debian doesn't enable sudo by default like almost all gnu/linux ditributions
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508 [04:58:52] <awal1> someone here said it is just like a "neglect" from debian dd's
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515 [04:59:53] <awal1> i mean, it is just because nobody have tried to implement sudo officially
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517 [05:00:17] <joepublic> I am pretty sure ubuntu defaults to no root login, sudo installed
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519 [05:00:22] <mutante> on the other hand, on Ubuntu, if 99.9% of all users just have "ALL ALL" sudo privileges and there is no limitation then you can ask yourself what difference it really makes
520 [05:00:37] <awal1> sudo sound like ubuntu that is why i haven't tried to understand it
521 [05:00:39] <mutante> that is different than having a use case for a user with actually limited set of commands
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524 [05:01:07] <awal1> sounds
525 [05:01:46] <awal1> i tried ubuntu in vm and defaults to sudo yeah
526 [05:01:48] <jelly> awal1, debian-installer installs sudo if you leave the root password empty at installation time
527 [05:01:49] <joepublic> use what's useful to you. if you like, you can eschew su and sudo both and just log in as root on a different virtual terminal.
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531 [05:02:44] <mutante> yea awal1 , just do what you prefer, sudo is just a package you install or not, what default the distros pick shouldnt even concern you :)
532 [05:02:47] <awal1> jelly, i know yeah, but why default , without user intervention, it defaults to roo/sudo disabled?
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537 [05:03:23] <jelly> entering a password for root is also user intervention.
538 [05:04:00] <awal1> right, but my understanding it that debian is like prefers root by default
539 [05:04:05] <awal1> well, not sure
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543 [05:04:25] <awal1> i run many stuff as root, i think i need sudo
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545 [05:05:26] <mutante> or change that you have to run so much as root by changing permissions
546 [05:05:30] <awal1> i have a vm almost bcoz of that (run root stuff in the vm instead of in the host for security reasons)
547 [05:05:49] <awal1> i will try to understand sudo
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551 [05:07:37] <awal1> thanks for your time guys
552 [05:07:44] <mutante> awal1: replaced-url
553 [05:08:00] <awal1> thanks mutante
554 [05:08:02] <mutante> and tells you how to use
555 [05:08:12] <mutante> look for the visudo command
556 [05:08:32] <awal1> ok
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568 [05:12:37] <\dev\cache> how can i get debian 9 to try reload iwlwifi?
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579 [05:18:34] <awal1> you may just need "modprobe iwlwifi"
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581 [05:20:13] <awal1> \dev\cache this should work "modprobe -r iwlwifi" then "modprobe iwlwifi"
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627 [06:08:08] <iio7> What's happened with the latest Debian Stretch upgrade? It has completely broken ZFS!
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630 [06:09:22] <iio7> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'zfs': Invalid argument
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641 [06:13:57] <jelly> iio7, if your kernel ABI has changed you need to rebuild any modules that come as dkms (module sources). Sometimes kernel changes break source compatibility.
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646 [06:15:03] <iio7> It hasn't changed. I'm running with dkms.
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648 [06:15:34] <jelly> iio7, and does "modinfo zfs" show the same ABI?
649 [06:15:54] <jelly> (vermagic line)
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659 [06:21:49] <iio7> Everything is rebuild automatically upon upgrade. I haven't build anything manually.
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662 [06:22:59] <jelly> okay, but does "modinfo zfs" work and show the same ABI?
663 [06:23:09] <iio7> It doesn't work either.
664 [06:23:43] <jelly> iio7, that would mean the module is not built for the current running kernel at all
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666 [06:24:01] <iio7> Yes, it's completely busted up.
667 [06:24:14] <iio7> I just found this: replaced-url
668 [06:24:22] <iio7> Something about after the 12 december.
669 [06:24:23] <jelly> and that usually happens when the kernel ABI changes
670 [06:24:50] <iio7> I'm migrating everything to FreeBSD, ZFS is painful on Linux.
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673 [06:26:11] <jelly> yeah, use the tools you're comfortable with
674 [06:26:57] <jelly> iio7, you need to take care about upgrade output if you have any dkms modules you rely on.
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676 [06:27:20] <jelly> it's easy to miss build failures and blidly reboot into a new kernel
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678 [06:29:25] <iio7> I haven't experienced any build failures. I have also kept a log.
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741 [07:19:13] <rocketmagnet> hi all
742 [07:19:27] <rocketmagnet> i've a problem understanding update-alternatives
743 [07:19:47] <rocketmagnet> i try to make python3 point to python3.5 instead of python3.7
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745 [07:20:58] <rocketmagnet> update-altives --install /usr/bin/python3 python3 /usr/bin/python3.5
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747 [07:22:21] <rocketmagnet> but when i run update-alternatives --config python3 i get a message telling me that there is only one alternative in the linkgroup (from /usr/bin/python3): /usr/bin/python3.5 :X
748 [07:22:36] <rocketmagnet> what am i missing here
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754 [07:24:29] <__m4ch1n3__> bin/python3 is only symlink to python3.5 or 3.7
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761 [07:25:22] <__m4ch1n3__> change the target of link to point to the file you want thats all
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763 [07:26:37] <__m4ch1n3__> command -v python3
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765 [07:26:55] <__m4ch1n3__> gives you the absolute path to link
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773 [07:29:36] <__m4ch1n3__> sudo ln -s $(command -v python3.5) $(command -v python3)
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775 [07:29:51] <__m4ch1n3__> should do the job
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777 [07:31:38] <__m4ch1n3__> ln -s <target> <link>
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781 [07:37:10] <__m4ch1n3__> oh you may need -f if link exsits
782 [07:37:18] <__m4ch1n3__> sudo ln -s -f $(command -v python3.5) $(command -v python3)
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785 [07:37:39] <__m4ch1n3__> *exists
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788 [07:39:57] <darxmurf> what's "command" ?
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793 [07:40:35] <__m4ch1n3__> what rocketmagnet asked
794 [07:40:43] <__m4ch1n3__> oh
795 [07:40:58] <darxmurf> ^^
796 [07:41:10] <darxmurf> there is no man page for "command" :D
797 [07:41:18] <__m4ch1n3__> it gives information on stuff in your PATH variable
798 [07:41:29] <darxmurf> okay, thanks
799 [07:41:38] <__m4ch1n3__> command -v returns absolut path
800 [07:42:05] <rocketmagnet> i managed to get a list of available python versions for --config python3, but i'm not able to switch python3 to python3.5 instead of python3.7 :X
801 [07:42:25] <rocketmagnet> __m4ch1n3__: ^
802 [07:42:29] <__m4ch1n3__> python3.5 or 3.6 are not alternatives
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805 [07:44:16] <__m4ch1n3__> only diffrent versions of same programm
806 [07:45:13] <__m4ch1n3__> reconfigure the python package you want have default wo do that too
807 [07:45:21] <__m4ch1n3__> with dpkg or apt
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810 [07:45:45] <__m4ch1n3__> assume the one is default that was installed last
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812 [07:47:16] <rocketmagnet> i mean when i type python3 i want to get python3.5 instead of python3.7
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814 [07:47:22] <rocketmagnet> __m4ch1n3__: ^
815 [07:47:54] <__m4ch1n3__> rocketmagnet, then FUKING DO THIS " sudo ln -s $(command -v python3.5) $(command -v python3)"
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817 [07:48:04] <__m4ch1n3__> without ""
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819 [07:48:08] <__m4ch1n3__> sudo ln -s $(command -v python3.5) $(command -v python3)
820 [07:48:14] <rocketmagnet> i thought update-alternatives is for this kind of thing
821 [07:48:19] <__m4ch1n3__> and run python3
822 [07:48:23] <rocketmagnet> i know how to do it manualy
823 [07:48:40] <rocketmagnet> i want to use the update-alternative system to not break it
824 [07:48:50] <__m4ch1n3__> python3.6 3.7 are versions OF SAME PROGRAMM
825 [07:49:17] <__m4ch1n3__> python3 has no alternative only diffrent versions
826 [07:49:41] <__m4ch1n3__> bpython3 would be maybe a alternative
827 [07:50:23] <rocketmagnet> i found tutorials on the web that does what i need just for other versions
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830 [07:50:38] <__m4ch1n3__> do waht you want :D
831 [07:50:49] <__m4ch1n3__> *what
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833 [07:51:18] <rocketmagnet> but it's stange, the /usr/bin/python3 points to /etc/alternatives/python3 and that is pointing to /usr/bin/python3.5 so it should work ... but python3 --version still gives me 3.7 :X
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836 [07:52:47] <jelly> rocketmagnet, debian does not support changing the version of /usr/bin/python3 within a release, changing that symlink can break packages that use it.
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838 [07:53:27] <jelly> this is why it is not handled by alternatives
839 [07:53:50] <__m4ch1n3__> oh
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841 [07:53:53] <jelly> if it were that easy, it would have been done already
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843 [07:54:55] <rocketmagnet> found the problem
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845 [07:55:35] <rocketmagnet> i had an older python3.7 installation in /usr/local/bin and that was before /usr/bin in my $PATH
846 [07:55:49] <rocketmagnet> i deleted it and now it's working like expected :)
847 [07:56:05] <rocketmagnet> thanks anyway
848 [07:56:10] <rocketmagnet> have a good day
849 [07:56:11] <rocketmagnet> bye
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859 [07:58:21] <newbyme> hi guys
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863 [08:01:27] <lisbeths> newbyme: do you have a support question or just saying hello?
864 [08:02:19] <jelly> hello, lisbeths
865 [08:02:28] <jelly> !ask
866 [08:02:28] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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869 [08:04:00] <lisbeths> I am looking to roll my own version of debian with custom packages from netinst
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874 [08:05:20] <lisbeths> I am also curious if this can be done from a foss usb wifi dongle instead of ethernet
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899 [08:14:49] <mackerel449> i cant upgrade libgl1/egl/glx0/opengl0/etc backported libraries, it seems to conflict with the backported nvidia drivers somehow
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912 [08:22:45] <jelly> dpkg, tell mackerel449 about basic apt troubleshooting
913 [08:23:01] <c|oneman> karma mackerel449
914 [08:23:13] <c|oneman> mackerel449??
915 [08:24:19] <jelly> !custom d-i
916 [08:24:19] <dpkg> To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see replaced-url
917 [08:24:26] <jelly> lisbeths, ^
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932 [08:31:12] <iio7> So I did some testing regarding the ZFS issues. On one box running stretch-backports kernel 4.18 everything workes, on another box running the same, ZFS failes miserably, replaced-url
933 [08:31:30] <mackerel449> c|oneman: replaced-url
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936 [08:32:17] <iio7> So doing a "dpkg-reconfigure linux-headers-$(uname -r)", gives "Error! Could not locate dkms.conf file."
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946 [08:44:17] <darxmurf> anybody using storcli here to manage RAID, I replaced my 2 500Gb disks in my RAID1 array by 2x1Tb, reconstruction done but now I want to extend this...
947 [08:44:31] <darxmurf> It supposed to be okay with storcli or megacli but nop
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953 [08:51:00] <mackerel449> posting again with more info: i cant upgrade libgl1/egl/glx0/opengl0/etc backported libraries, it seems to conflict with the backported nvidia drivers somehow, the synaptic gui wants to remove the nvidia packages and `apt` doesn't want to upgrade anything replaced-url
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957 [08:52:12] <jelly> darxmurf, does OS see new size of visible volume/array?
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959 [08:54:36] <darxmurf> the RAID card apparently sees it
960 [08:54:55] <darxmurf> replaced-url
961 [08:55:17] <darxmurf> but when I run this black magic command to extend it, it says it can't
962 [08:56:08] <darxmurf> and in some obscure pages on broadcom website (as they bought lsi...) they say that if you have more than one volume in your array you can't extend it. but on my site I have 2 arrays with one volume each
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987 [09:15:30] <darxmurf> jelly: I won't waste my time, I'm moving the files I have on another partition, then I'll recreate the RAID with the new size and move datas back.
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1005 [09:26:54] <hiya> searching files in Nautilus freezes it
1006 [09:26:58] <hiya> any solutions?
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1017 [09:37:12] <mackerel449> hiya: lots of files in that directory?
1018 [09:37:39] <hiya> mackerel449, no, not much, in fact whole of my SSD is empty about 80% is
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1021 [09:38:18] <hiya> mackerel449, even gnome's main search doesn't work like I search for Firefox folder to open latest firefox binary always and it stopped working since last few days
1022 [09:38:22] <hiya> els
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1026 [09:40:02] <hiya> mackerel449, do I need to delete the tracker db?
1027 [09:40:09] <hiya> Is there index stored somewhere?
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1029 [09:40:50] <mackerel449> might have to do something with tracker yeah, i think it shows up in syslogs when something's wrong with it
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1039 [09:43:53] <jelly> darxmurf, ah, so the "VD" isn't grown yet
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1043 [09:46:02] <mackerel449> hiya: try googling the errors from the log to get a relevant fix, there has been all kinds of issues with tracker over the years
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1050 [09:50:13] <darxmurf> huh that's pretty weird 0o, I deleted the VD (500Gb) created a new one of 1Tb, parted it to create a partition from 0% to 100% and I could mount it, data are still there
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1056 [09:53:23] <darxmurf> and the old config was an extended partition with a logical inside, the new one is just one partition as the partition table is GPT
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1059 [09:54:49] <darxmurf> I just had to xfs_grows the thing
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1063 [09:55:13] <darxmurf> how is it possible Oo
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1065 [09:56:34] <hiya> mackerel449, I fixed it, I did a hard reset of tracker for user and root and then restarted it
1066 [09:56:37] <hiya> :D
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1099 [10:16:04] <HD|Laptop> hello all. I have a machine with 96GB RAM of which at the moment 40GB are used, the remainder is free
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1101 [10:16:25] <HD|Laptop> there's a swapfile set up though, which is used ~90%, triggering a Zabbix alert
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1111 [10:19:26] <Lyberta> I have a program that installed systemd unit to /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/systemd but when I want to start it, it says that unit file doesn't exist, help?
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1114 [10:20:21] <HD|Laptop> how do I configure the kernel to only use swap when the physical memory goes low
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1121 [10:22:32] <tarzeau> HD|Laptop: sysctl: vm.swappiness = 60
1122 [10:22:52] <HD|Laptop> right now it's actually at 1
1123 [10:23:09] <tarzeau> HD|Laptop: try 0, and also try zram-tools (or zram-config from ubuntu), since zram-tools is still very buggy (buster+)
1124 [10:23:16] <HD|Laptop> ok, thanks :)
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1126 [10:23:31] <tarzeau> HD|Laptop: set it to 0. how much real memory do you have? how much swap? what software uses so much memory?
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1128 [10:24:08] <Dagger2> HD|Laptop: how do you know that "swap only when memory goes low" isn't its current behavior?
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1142 [10:35:21] <Voldenet> Lyberta: are you sure that `/usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/systemd` is the correct path for services?
1143 [10:35:54] <Lyberta> Voldenet, no idea, the "ninja install" did it for me, I have never really messed with systemd
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1146 [10:37:48] <Voldenet> Lyberta: on top of it, after sytemd unit is created, you probably need `systemctl daemon-reload`
1147 [10:37:55] <Voldenet> (or modified)
1148 [10:38:05] <Lyberta> Voldenet, did that
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1151 [10:39:53] <Voldenet> I think systemd units not distributed with the distro should be in /etc/systemd/system
1152 [10:40:06] <Voldenet> (you can just move appropriate .service file)
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1177 [10:48:39] <blackflow> Lyberta: that's not a valid path for systemd units so yeah, copy to /etc/systemd/system as Voldenet suggested. Also, it is NOT recommended to install to system paths without a package manager. easiest way to get your system broken
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1237 [11:15:32] <murii> hello, for some reason I get an error while doing a for loop like this: for (( c=1 ; ; c=$(($c+1)) ))
1238 [11:15:38] <andre144k> someone knows actually kde/plasma version in debian testing?
1239 [11:15:40] <murii> in bash
1240 [11:15:50] <andre144k> 5.12 or newer?
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1248 [11:17:34] <Soliton> murii: would you be willing to share the error?
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1250 [11:18:38] <petn-randall> ,v kde-runtime
1251 [11:18:39] <judd> Package: kde-runtime on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-2; jessie: 4:4.14.2-2; stretch: 4:16.08.3-2; buster: 4:17.08.3-2; sid: 4:17.08.3-2
1252 [11:19:00] <petn-randall> andre144k: 17.08.3 ^^^
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1254 [11:19:51] <andre144k> petn-randall, pls give me im looking for - you know :)
1255 [11:20:43] <petn-randall> andre144k: You wanted to know the runtime version, or not?
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1257 [11:21:05] <petn-randall> ,v kded5
1258 [11:21:06] <judd> Package: kded5 on amd64 -- stretch: 5.28.0-1; buster: 5.51.0-1; sid: 5.51.0-1
1259 [11:21:24] <andre144k> i want kde/plasma verion eg kde5.8
1260 [11:21:24] <petn-randall> andre144k: 5.51, I guess? ^^^
1261 [11:21:47] <andre144k> oki forget it.
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1264 [11:22:42] <petn-randall> dpkg: forget about kde
1265 [11:22:42] <dpkg> petn-randall: i didn't have anything called 'about kde' to forget
1266 [11:22:48] <petn-randall> andre144k: done
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1276 [11:26:57] <PaddyF> i wonder if i did a mistake when i used the jigdo 9.6 files to update my 9.4 iso
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1278 [11:27:14] <PaddyF> it needed to fetch almost all packages
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1280 [11:28:33] <PaddyF> should i go step by step with point releases next time?
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1317 [11:49:41] <murii> Soliton: it just says the way I created the for loop is invalid
1318 [11:49:49] <murii> perhaps the bash version is too old or idk
1319 [11:49:55] <murii> I'll go with a while true loop
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1334 [12:00:01] <Soliton> if it actually said "Syntax error: Bad for loop variable" then you're using dash not bash.
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1337 [12:00:22] <Soliton> paraphrasing error messages is not helpful.
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1362 [12:16:16] <HD|Laptop> I have a process (drush cron) that I call with "drush cron 2>&1 > /dev/null". However there still end up messages on the terminal
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1364 [12:16:33] <Soliton> !2>&1
1365 [12:16:44] <Soliton> oops, wrong channel.
1366 [12:16:49] <HD|Laptop> what could cause this? Doing ls -lah /proc/<pid>/fd/ showed only the fds 0/1/2
1367 [12:16:53] <Soliton> you want to redirect the other way around.
1368 [12:17:11] * petn-randall wonders in which channel a bot would spout a factoid.
1369 [12:17:15] <Soliton> first redirect stdout then duplicate that to stderr.
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1371 [12:17:19] <petn-randall> *that factoid
1372 [12:17:20] <xand> command > /dev/null 2>&1
1373 [12:17:27] <Soliton> petn-randall: #bash
1374 [12:17:37] <HD|Laptop> actually I dont want to throw them away, the messages should appear in a logfile. I tried doing >> /var/log/drush.log first but that ended up with nothing in the log and stuff on the terminal
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1376 [12:17:48] <xand> command > /logfile 2>&1
1377 [12:17:50] <HD|Laptop> so I tried /dev/null and still no change
1378 [12:17:52] <HD|Laptop> ok
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1381 [12:18:49] <HD|Laptop> ah, that works, thanks!
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1416 [12:47:17] <PaddyF> debian should have more jigdo experts
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1432 [12:56:04] <lone-wolf> Where I can do download of Debian 8?
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1435 [12:56:59] <_13LACK_> lone-wolf replaced-url
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1440 [12:59:31] <n4dir> lone-wolf: if you tell us *why* you want old-stable, perhaps different solutions could be given.
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1442 [13:00:02] <n4dir> i mainly think of debootstrap.
1443 [13:00:04] <lone-wolf> Debian 9 isn't compatible with UnetBootin
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1446 [13:00:20] <n4dir> unetbootin for what?
1447 [13:00:38] <lone-wolf> Make boot on pendrive.
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1453 [13:01:24] <n4dir> which is the OS you want to run unetbootin on? On any linux you can use dd (or different things too), on Windows rufus (i think), etc
1454 [13:01:43] <n4dir> been ages people used unetbootin.
1455 [13:02:05] <lone-wolf> Kali Linux
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1457 [13:02:10] <n4dir> sorry: as far i can tell.
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1459 [13:02:34] <n4dir> i'd say just use dd then.
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1461 [13:02:47] <lone-wolf> dd?
1462 [13:02:50] <n4dir> or check the wiki, these days people seem to use cp or cat too.
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1464 [13:03:06] <n4dir> dd if=*iso of=/dev/sdb ; round the lines of that.
1465 [13:03:11] <SpeedyG> lone-wolf: replaced-url
1466 [13:03:20] <SpeedyG> there's an explanation on how to make a bootable kali drive using dd
1467 [13:03:37] <SpeedyG> including all required 'be very careful' warnings etc
1468 [13:04:00] <lone-wolf> I'm using Klai, I want do Debian bootable.
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1470 [13:04:12] <SpeedyG> same thing but different iso to use...
1471 [13:04:29] <SpeedyG> or do you want to have a debian live system ?
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1474 [13:04:55] <SpeedyG> in that case I guess you can use these images: replaced-url
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1476 [13:05:05] <lone-wolf> no live
1477 [13:05:20] <SpeedyG> then use the kali approach, but a debian 9 image ;)
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1479 [13:06:02] <SpeedyG> so in the dd command, replace the if=kali-linux-2017.1-amd64.iso by the debian iso file
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1481 [13:06:07] <lone-wolf> Isn't more unable the debian 8?
1482 [13:06:29] <SpeedyG> lone-wolf: its better to use the most recent version, unless you have a good reason to use an older version
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1529 [13:42:01] <no_gravity> Good Afternoon
1530 [13:42:06] <no_gravity> I'm trying to create an alias in my bashrc to execute a given string via php.
1531 [13:42:09] <no_gravity> This is what I tried: alias execphp='php -r "$1;"'
1532 [13:42:12] <no_gravity> But then "execphp echo 123" comes back empty.
1533 [13:42:15] <no_gravity> Where is my mistake?
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1537 [13:43:28] <dzove855> no_gravity: just create a function
1538 [13:43:48] <xand> or: alias execphp='php -r'
1539 [13:43:59] <dzove855> ecexphp(){ php -r "$*;"; )
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1541 [13:44:32] <no_gravity> xand: Since I will add some more code, I cannot just alias php -r.
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1544 [13:45:01] <no_gravity> dzove855: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
1545 [13:45:12] <dzove855> execphp(){ php -r "$*;"; }
1546 [13:45:17] <dzove855> no_gravity: sorry haha
1547 [13:45:34] <no_gravity> dzove855: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
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1550 [13:46:15] <dzove855> no_gravity: heuu..
1551 [13:46:19] <dzove855> strange
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1554 [13:46:43] <no_gravity> dzove855: Maybe because execphp is already aliased?
1555 [13:46:52] <jelly> no_gravity: go forth and quote things.
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1564 [13:48:57] <dzove855> no_gravity: yes it's because of an alias existing
1565 [13:49:33] <no_gravity> dzove855: Awesome... getting closer to a solution..
1566 [13:49:54] <killall> during a swapoff-a i got this, swapoff: /dev/zd0: swapoff failed: Cannot allocate memoryduring a swapoff-a i got this, swapoff: /dev/zd0: swapoff failed: Cannot allocate memory
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1570 [13:50:47] <killall> server has about 80Gb free of 120GB
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1577 [13:52:52] <TRPM8> do you have that colon in the command or is it just a paste thing?
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1583 [13:54:13] <no_gravity> dzove855: This works! execphp() { php -r "echo $*;"; echo; };
1584 [13:54:16] <no_gravity> Finally a nice command line calculator
1585 [13:54:20] <no_gravity> execphp 1/2 => 0.5 :)
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1683 [14:51:20] <petn-randall> Hi, how is the output of `locale` set exactly? For some reason I have a test system that is returning "LANGUAGE=en_US:", and that is breaking programs.
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1687 [14:53:12] <petn-randall> If I `strace -ff locale`, it doesn't seem to touch any config files in /etc/, which makes me guess that it's actually set somewhere in the kernel (?!)?
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1704 [14:58:32] <pagios> hello is it possible to encrypt my whole disk after installation? post -install?
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1706 [14:58:44] <xand> pagios: not really, no
1707 [14:58:59] <pagios> :(
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1725 [15:07:09] <blackflow> pagios: actually.... (never tried it myself tho, and as usual, backup backup backup!) replaced-url
1726 [15:07:16] <SerajewelKS> pagios: i mean, yes, anything is possible. but not in-place.
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1728 [15:07:34] <SerajewelKS> usually it involves copying the disk to a second disk, restructuring the first disk to be encrypted, and copying everything back
1729 [15:07:44] <blackflow> yes it's possible. see luksipc
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1732 [15:08:18] <SerajewelKS> ah, nice. someone wrote a tool to do it in-place.
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1735 [15:08:50] <pagios> blackflow, i need an additiona hardisk to do that?
1736 [15:09:03] <blackflow> no
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1738 [15:09:30] <SerajewelKS> but as blackflow said, you should backup first
1739 [15:09:31] <pagios> blackflow, i want to encrypt my one hardisk fully, it is the boot one too
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1741 [15:10:07] <SerajewelKS> you may want a separate, unencrypted /boot volume in that case
1742 [15:10:13] <blackflow> luksipc = LUKS In Place Convert. the tool exists, I know about it and from what I've read and heard, it's being used successfully, but I've never run it myself and can't vouch from personal experience.
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1744 [15:10:28] <SerajewelKS> so you'd want to resize / to the right, create a /boot, then convert / to be encrypted
1745 [15:10:32] <blackflow> actually encrypted /boot is also possible.
1746 [15:10:37] <SerajewelKS> you will have to set up the crypttab and rebuild the initramfs
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1748 [15:10:49] <SerajewelKS> it is possible but i've never had any luck with it
1749 [15:10:52] <blackflow> in that /boot can be part of regular LUKS encrypted root
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1751 [15:11:14] <blackflow> I did it once, few years ago, and yeah 'twas a hassle because of lack of documentation on which grub option EXACTLY to flip.
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1755 [15:12:32] <blackflow> these days I prefer /boot on an USB stick that I plug into actaully boot the system. it's unencrypted, contains the keys for root and goes wherever I go.
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1758 [15:12:44] <blackflow> *plug in, to actually...
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1760 [15:13:07] <SerajewelKS> depends on the system, that doesn't work for my server ;)
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1762 [15:13:35] <SerajewelKS> but then again my server isn't encrypted because i need it to be able to boot unattended
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1764 [15:13:41] <blackflow> for the servers I use a custom initramfs hook + dropbear in initramfs for remote unlocking.
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1766 [15:13:53] <blackflow> and these boot unattended as well :)
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1768 [15:14:21] <Greyztar> blackflow: thats a nice solution for unlocking =)
1769 [15:14:35] <blackflow> Greyztar: it's the only one.
1770 [15:14:47] <SerajewelKS> that's not unattended
1771 [15:14:52] <SerajewelKS> it just allows remote attending
1772 [15:14:57] <blackflow> no in this case it's unattended.
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1774 [15:15:10] <bites> how do you automate it?
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1778 [15:15:56] <pagios> blackflow, i already have a /boot
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1787 [15:20:30] <karlpinc> pagios: While you're at it, I tend to encrypt an entire LVM physical volume, and then add logical volumes to the volume group containing the pv. That way you've only a single encryption key for multiple filesystems/mount points.
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1792 [15:22:01] <blackflow> bites: custom initramfs hook that contacts our keyserver for the key. if the node is whitelisted for it, it will receive it. security wise, it's as safe as ssh-ing int. the only treat is someone subverting initramfs to steal the key, either way.
1793 [15:22:20] <blackflow> *threat
1794 [15:22:33] <karlpinc> blackflow: I like the usb boot notion. You could encrypt the usb stick (or a partition thereon) and that way have a single "master password".
1795 [15:22:38] <blackflow> however, FDE is here for data at rest, not to protect against a threat actor subverting the initramfs.
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1798 [15:23:49] <karlpinc> pagios: See also: zless /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.Debian.gz
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1800 [15:25:07] <blackflow> bites: and uh, the correct term is "script", not "hook", as initramfs hooks are exec'd during initramfs creation, "scripts" are run from its init.
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1803 [15:26:28] <blackflow> it's very simple. initrams-tools have these stages, and scripts/local-top/ scripts are required to do whatever is needed for the rootfs to become visible.
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1813 [15:32:23] <bites> nice. i just use keyfiles.
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1828 [15:41:59] <blackflow> bites: this uses keyfiles too, but they're fetched from the keyserver
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1849 [15:55:02] <ikus060> I'm not very familiar with SELinux and Auditd. May someone be kind enough to explain a bit ?
1850 [15:55:18] <petn-randall> !selinux
1851 [15:55:18] <dpkg> Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: replaced-url
1852 [15:56:21] <petn-randall> ikus060: In short it's a mandatory access control system, that allows you to give more fine-grained access restrictions than traditional unix permissions.
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1854 [15:57:17] <ikus060> petn-randall: and how would you compare it with AuditD or Apparmor ?
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1878 [16:11:52] <petn-randall> ikus060: auditd is a daemon that does the same for apparmor as for selinux. Both SELinux and apparmor aim for the same thing, but have different strength and weaknesses, which are too long to list. I recommend you read up on it in their documentation, or find a good blog post comparing both.
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1881 [16:12:32] <iovec> you can do everything apparmor does with SELinux but not the other way around
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1893 [16:20:44] <petn-randall> iovec: Is that so? What can't you do with apparmor?
1894 [16:21:24] <HD|Laptop> with the "date" command, is there a way to compute the difference of a date to the current date? I have a shell command that returns the expiration date of a ssl cert, and I want it to output the amount of days the cert will be valid (or 0 if expired9
1895 [16:21:33] <HD|Laptop> my current command echoes "2018-10-22"
1896 [16:21:47] <HD|Laptop> for an expired cert and 2018-12-31 for a valid one
1897 [16:22:16] <HD|Laptop> so, I'd like to have it echo 0 for the first one and 18 for the second one
1898 [16:22:51] <petn-randall> HD|Laptop: `date +%s` will return the current time in seconds. Return the epoch of the expiration date, subtract and divide by 86400 to get the days.
1899 [16:23:35] <blackflow> petn-randall: network policies, context-tagged packets for example. that's one I was missing, and also things like MLS
1900 [16:24:01] <blackflow> though, true, you can achieve similar effects hacking around that.
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1913 [16:28:25] <SerajewelKS> HD|Laptop: if it's letsencrypt, just use "certbot renew" and let it worry about the math
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1916 [16:29:30] <HD|Laptop> SerajewelKS: it's ssl monitoring, actually, and not just LE
1917 [16:29:46] <HD|Laptop> haproxy ssl terminator with 8 different certs...
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1919 [16:30:21] <HD|Laptop> managed to get the oneliner working as desired... now I only need to clamp for negative numbers to 0
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2096 [18:02:51] <gordonfish> Question about combining and repacking a hybrid iso like debian's install iso's. I loop mounted all three isos, rsync'ed the contents of all three into a single staging directory.
2097 [18:03:06] <gordonfish> Then I used the following mkisofs command to make a new bootable iso:
2098 [18:03:10] <gordonfish> mkisofs -J -R -V 'Debian 9.6.0 Combined' amd64 -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o ../debian-9.6.0-amd64-combined.iso .
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2101 [18:04:15] <gordonfish> Which works, though it doesn't appear to be a hybrid iso like how DVD-1 is (fdisk -l ... doesn't show the two partitions like how it does with DVD-1.iso)
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2103 [18:04:26] <gordonfish> How can this be done?
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2105 [18:04:44] <gordonfish> (I've searched around but can't find anything)
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2125 [18:12:32] <PaddyF> gordonfish: can you describe a bit more what your goal is?
2126 [18:12:59] <PaddyF> gordonfish: do you just need 1 install medium with the first 3 DVDs?
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2129 [18:15:06] <shtrb> gordonfish, aren't you missing a -J there ?
2130 [18:15:10] <gordonfish> PaddyF: Yes I wanted to make one single isos out of the three isos, to put on a booble usb stick that will have various isos (that'll be chosen from a grub menu)
2131 [18:15:18] <shtrb> sorry missed it
2132 [18:15:19] <gordonfish> bootable*
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2140 [18:18:30] <gordonfish> That is, the combinining of the contents of debian-9.6.0-amd64-DVD-{1..3}.iso, using: rsync -a loop/debian-9.6.0-amd64-DVD-{1..3}/ debian-9.6.0-amd64-combined/
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2143 [18:19:20] <petn-randall> gordonfish: IME using grub to boot debian isos usually breaks a lot of things, it's not worth the trouble.
2144 [18:19:21] <joepublic> gordonfish, there is a three blue-ray set of debian 9 - would blue ray #1 be any help to you perhaps?
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2147 [18:19:54] <joepublic> I guess blu-ray doesn't have an e
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2149 [18:21:14] <joepublic> I know this sidesteps the question "how do you make such a thing"
2150 [18:21:25] <gordonfish> there's blu-ray and bluetooth (a lot of people make the same error about the 'e')
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2152 [18:22:10] <gordonfish> (and tbh I'm not sure why blu-ray is sans 'e')
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2155 [18:22:30] <mason> bleu-ray
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2158 [18:22:49] <gordonfish> la bleu ray
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2160 [18:23:55] <gordonfish> petn-randall: Is there no way to package a debian install to be used on a multiboot usb stick? I know people do this with ubuntu, mint, memtest86, etc, buy just copying over isos and installing grub on the stick (after setting it up with fdisk/parted)
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2166 [18:25:38] <gordonfish> (like what's outlined here: replaced-url
2167 [18:26:04] <gordonfish> I thought that debian could be used this way, especially with the original DVD-1 iso
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2169 [18:27:36] <petn-randall> gordonfish: It's *possible*, but it's a lot of work, as you manually have to create any pre-existing grub entries that existed before, but you can't copy the config 1:1. And you loose support in this channel for the installer, which is a bummer.
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2175 [18:30:22] <gordonfish> petn-randall: It was my understanding that just copying debian-9.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso to the usb, like in that article with ubuntu and others, and creating an entry in the root grub for it, then when it boots, it would load then load the grub in the iso (you'd see it's menu as if you booted it directly)
2176 [18:30:41] <gordonfish> (I mean using an untouched debian-9.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso)
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2182 [18:31:50] <gordonfish> joepublic: (Also, I'm looking around replaced-url
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2193 [18:36:21] <petn-randall> gordonfish: Seem as though you need to use jigdo to create the bluray images.
2194 [18:36:22] <petn-randall> !jigdo
2195 [18:36:23] <dpkg> Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is a method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at replaced-url
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2198 [18:37:17] <gordonfish> Sounds like something worth looking at at a later time, though for now I'd prefer to stick with dvd isos
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2211 [18:42:57] <hansol> i start from usb debian9_xfce_amd64-8
2212 [18:43:00] <hansol> now how to install it ?
2213 [18:43:10] <hansol> im seeing xface
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2216 [18:43:55] <hansol> cant see from where to install
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2223 [18:46:35] <petn-randall> hansol: What is "debian9_xfce_amd64-8"? Is it the installer, or a live system, or ... ?
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2248 [18:57:05] <BCMM> hansol: is that a .iso file? if so, where did you download it from?
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2268 [19:05:03] <PaddyF> could somebody recommend an alternative for testdisk to recover deleted files?
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2273 [19:06:35] <cryptodan> if testdisk doesnt work then the files are gone
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2276 [19:06:56] <PaddyF> big bada boom
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2286 [19:10:16] <newbyme> hi guys
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2290 [19:11:55] <JyZyXEL> cryptodan: i still have old corrupted filesystem images in the hopes that i'll be able to recover more files off them in the future ;)
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2293 [19:13:09] <PaddyF> newbyme: whats up?
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2297 [19:13:25] <JyZyXEL> not gone until it's overwritten :P
2298 [19:13:27] <psiconauta> hey
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2302 [19:14:34] <PaddyF> maybe about time to think of a backup strategy
2303 [19:14:39] <PaddyF> (for me)
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2307 [19:15:20] <JyZyXEL> nothing like some data loss or corruption to motivate better backups
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2365 [19:42:22] <watchcat> you can try autopsy/sleuthkit but there's a learning curve.
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2404 [20:05:14] <boddax> hi , compiling kernel hangs on' UDP include/generated/bounds.h' frosted on that
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2460 [20:40:24] <ntd> replaced-url
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2470 [20:44:41] <blackflow> 'buntu business as usual.
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2474 [20:45:15] <mason> blackflow: "Indeed, /sys/bus/iio does not exist! I believe this is distinct from LP: #1792813, as I have just tested mainline 4.19 and it also does not work."
2475 [20:46:25] <blackflow> mason: that last comment tho'. users slowly getting sick of it all.
2476 [20:46:42] <mason> blackflow: The last comment was trolling I thought. Re-reading.
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2480 [20:47:04] <blackflow> meanwhile what I meant was stuff regularly tends to go missing during the life cycle of 'buntu, and LTS is not exempt of it one bit.
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2483 [20:47:22] <blackflow> mason: trolling indeed.
2484 [20:47:23] <mason> Ah. Well.
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2486 [20:47:34] <ntd> not trolling
2487 [20:47:36] <ntd> lip
2488 [20:47:55] <ntd> been massaging nacc for like two weeks now
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2490 [20:48:21] <ntd> issue confirmed on multiple hw/vendors/etc yet i had to register for LP to "confirm" it
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2492 [20:48:38] <ntd> not like no one with any clout in canonical/ubuntu could verify this in two minutes
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2494 [20:49:31] <blackflow> ntd: nobody cares tho'. all the resources are prioritized into cloudy products and NIH-ing stuff for more leverage in vendor lock-in.
2495 [20:50:08] <ntd> yeah, i know. this is like totally gonna make for a lame-ass filter on instagram
2496 [20:50:15] <blackflow> it's more important to rewrite the installer in electron because hey, extending existing installer to actually have useful functions, like for example zfs root, is not profitable.
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2499 [20:51:26] <joepublic> blackflow, quiet, they'll hear you and think that's a suggestion
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2501 [20:52:39] <blackflow> joepublic: they already are onto it, that's why I've mentioned it :
2502 [20:52:41] <blackflow> :)
2503 [20:53:14] <joepublic> that is very disappointing. debian-installer exists for a reason.
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2505 [20:53:28] <blackflow> I'll just leave this here, before I'm shushed for offtopicity: replaced-url
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2507 [20:53:46] <joepublic> I hope that I am not the only person to read the description of electron and say "whoa, bad idea"
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2509 [20:55:07] <blackflow> no you're not. I already b*tched elsewhere on freenode this evening how we've got faster than ever hardware and slower than ever (comparatively, in instructions per second to perform a job) software, that these days requires whole chrome+node.js+tonof software, all packaged together into an electron app just to say "Hello World!"
2510 [20:55:56] <joepublic> debian-installer and static tarballs. go sanity!
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2512 [20:56:58] <ntd> well at least they still use the deb installer for -server
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2515 [20:57:14] <blackflow> that's on its way out too, in favor of subiquity.
2516 [20:57:54] <ntd> "netplan" though
2517 [20:57:56] <ntd> gaaaaaawd
2518 [20:58:01] <joepublic> that concerns me not because I use ubuntu -- I don't -- but because I use moldy ubuntu lts derivative Trisquel
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2523 [20:58:54] <ntd> tell me this isn't ubuntu simply being ahead of the curve, netplan is someone at canonical having had a stroke, right?
2524 [20:59:32] <blackflow> ntd: vendor lock-in
2525 [20:59:35] <joepublic> ubuntu is rarely ahead of the curve.
2526 [21:00:02] <blackflow> as incredible as it sounds, to have vendor lock in, in open source, its quite possible, once you base your products on Ubuntu-only software, it's hard to migrate away even though you're perfectly capable of (everything being open source)
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2528 [21:00:19] <joepublic> red hat can come up with packages that literally kill you and all the distros shrug and fall in line, but everything ubuntu comes up with seems to turn to crap
2529 [21:00:23] <ntd> nah, that is like totally not why ibm bought redhat or whatever
2530 [21:01:06] <blackflow> one word: OpenStack.
2531 [21:01:19] <ntd> i also remember them replacing init with "upstart" back in 2014
2532 [21:01:37] <blackflow> year or two before, they bought Softlayer. IBM wants a piece of the enterprise cloud cake.
2533 [21:01:55] <blackflow> so does MS. they've all smelled the blood and saw the writing on the wall (that open source is teh future)
2534 [21:02:00] <joepublic> upstart, unity, ubuntuphone, ... didn't work out
2535 [21:02:21] <simpledat> Hi. For some reason my screen went black and then the system kind of reboot. Loading into my desktop clean. Do you know what happened? I use LVM encryption on my whole disk if that makes any sense.
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2537 [21:02:41] <joepublic> simpledat, /var/log/kern.log might know.
2538 [21:02:43] <blackflow> simpledat: checked the logs for any clues?
2539 [21:02:47] <ryouma> something is (auto-?)mounting an ext2 partition that i do not use (and nothing else). it does not show in /var/log. there is nothing in journalctl except that sde1 is being mounted. (why journalctl show more?) cron.hourly is empty. the mountpoint is like /media/adaa57a5-20a8-4a22-a2c1-da5944d149c0 . i never enabled any automounting stuff. i did not powercycle or add devices.
2540 [21:03:26] <blackflow> ryouma: you run gnome there?
2541 [21:03:32] <ryouma> blackflow: fluxboxc
2542 [21:03:35] <ryouma> s/c//
2543 [21:03:41] <Epakai> how do you tell aptitude to stop playing with itself (resolving dependencies) after accidentally marking a large group to be uninstalled?
2544 [21:03:46] <blackflow> ryouma: so which device is mounted there?
2545 [21:03:55] <joepublic> who's blakflow??
2546 [21:04:06] <blackflow> huh?
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2548 [21:04:16] <ryouma> blackflow: /dev/sde1 which is an ext2 partition that contains a years-old boot fs
2549 [21:04:18] <joepublic> s/c//
2550 [21:04:26] <joepublic> sorry, shutting up now
2551 [21:05:01] <ryouma> sed is smarter on irc channels :)
2552 [21:05:10] <blackflow> ryouma: yeah but what device is that? sde?
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2554 [21:05:22] <joepublic> smart is the last thing I would want sed to be!
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2556 [21:06:06] <CarlFK> im testing replaced-url
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2558 [21:06:17] <ryouma> blackflow: it's a patriot
2559 [21:06:24] <CarlFK> in the /etc/apt config, not changing the build scripts
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2561 [21:07:01] <petn-randall> joepublic: heh ;)
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2565 [21:08:40] <simpledat> joepublic blackflow: How do I know what to look after?
2566 [21:09:30] <ryouma> blackflow: and i did not do anything with it. it just sits in my monitor.
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2568 [21:10:11] <blackflow> simpledat: can you identify last lines logged before reboot? for example journalctl -b -1 -n 20 if I'm not mistaken should show last 20 lines before last reboot
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2570 [21:11:00] <blackflow> ryouma: no, I mean, it's a hdd/ssd that's constantly connected, an USB thingy, that...
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2573 [21:11:20] <Epakai> aptitude keep-all fixes it. not sure why cancel pending actions from the menu doesn't work
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2579 [21:11:57] <ryouma> blackflow: just a 64gb thingie plugged into my monitor
2580 [21:12:11] <blackflow> monitor?
2581 [21:12:16] <ryouma> hub
2582 [21:12:17] <simpledat> blackflow: I restarted my computer after this happened. So I dont know where?
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2584 [21:13:20] <blackflow> simpledat: read the whole thing I wrote :)
2585 [21:13:48] <ryouma> blackflow: is there someplace that controls an automounter? can i turn it off?
2586 [21:14:04] <ryouma> but why would it automount at times when i do nothing whatsoever to trigger an automount?
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2588 [21:14:27] <blackflow> ryouma: I'd guess whatever dbus based automounter you have running there (that's why I thought it'd be gnome, that's eager to automount everything in sight) is causing it, esp since the path is under /media/
2589 [21:14:53] <ryouma> it is jessie
2590 [21:14:55] <blackflow> no idea but if you're not using that partition any more, ovewrite it, so it won't be mounted
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2592 [21:15:09] <ryouma> i do want it. i just don't want it mounted.
2593 [21:15:16] <simpledat> blackflow: How do I search for it?
2594 [21:15:25] <ryouma> in principle, it still boots, on a machine that can boot such things (this is an old machine)
2595 [21:15:58] <blackflow> simpledat: if you have persistent journal there then journalctl -b -1 -n 20 should show last 20 lines before reboot
2596 [21:17:52] <simpledat> blackflow: Did you mean after this happened to me?
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2598 [21:18:12] <ryouma> (the idea is to keep the partition unmounted so that nothing can write to it)
2599 [21:18:20] <simpledat> blackflow: Because I did reboot it once again, by myself.
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2602 [21:19:05] <blackflow> simpledat: I have no idea how else to explain. you need to check for any log entries before the crash. journald is indexing logs so it knows what belogs to previous boot, hence that command. if you don't have persistent journal, you'll have to identify those lines from /var/log/messages or wherever your (r)syslog is logging.
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2604 [21:19:25] <simpledat> Speculative Store Bypass: Vulnerable
2605 [21:19:27] <simpledat> What is this?
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2607 [21:20:25] <blackflow> simpledat: replaced-url
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2609 [21:21:17] <simpledat> blackflow: Is this bad?
2610 [21:21:37] <simpledat> I found it in /var/log/kern.log
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2615 [21:23:32] <blackflow> it's a thing that makes public clouds a joke of the decade. so if you're not a customer of a public cloud, you shouldn't be too worried about it, but yeah it's a vector by which threat actors can exfiltrate information from computers.
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2618 [21:23:58] <blackflow> one of many.... hardware vulns put in spotlight this year.
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2620 [21:24:51] <simpledat> blackflow: Should I fix it?
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2622 [21:25:27] <ntd> simpledat, nah. just buy the new iphone and you're golden
2623 [21:25:36] <blackflow> whyphone?
2624 [21:26:35] <blackflow> simpledat: well there are mitigations. grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/* will show you which hardware vulns are identified by the kernel and whether they're mitigated.
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2626 [21:28:11] <blackflow> methinks SSB needs microcode. dunno, I've lost track of all the silliness since meltre has been announced. it's a game of whack a mole. chips need physical redesign, period.
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2628 [21:28:45] <simpledat> blackflow: replaced-url
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2630 [21:29:21] <blackflow> not bad. mitigate for most of it.
2631 [21:29:27] <blackflow> *mitigated
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2635 [21:29:48] <ryouma> another thing: this automounting, or whatever it is, started only a week or so ago
2636 [21:30:00] <ryouma> and i can't think of anything i did that owuld have done anything lie that
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2638 [21:30:55] <simpledat> blackflow: How do I fix the one that is not?
2639 [21:31:38] <blackflow> simpledat: try installing intel-microcode from non-free (I'm assuming that's an Intel CPU)
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2641 [21:32:28] <joepublic> just want to interject that an unmitigated vulnerability is about the least likely thing to have caused the problem you were troubleshooting. ranks about the same as "cosmic rays"
2642 [21:32:55] <blackflow> sounds about right.
2643 [21:32:59] <ryouma> i have a vulnerability that just says Vulnerability
2644 [21:33:04] <ryouma> what does that mean
2645 [21:33:11] <blackflow> it means vulnerability.
2646 [21:33:45] <ryouma> but the others say mitigated and they list /what/ is mitigated
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2648 [21:34:17] <ryouma> the kernel is being a little unclear it seems
2649 [21:34:18] <blackflow> ryouma: you mean it says "Vulnerable"? not "Vulnerability"? those entries under /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/ ?
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2652 [21:35:33] <ryouma> blackflow: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/* -> Mitigation: Page Table Inversion \n ... \n Vulnerable \n Mitigation: __user pointer sanitization \n ... \n
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2654 [21:35:51] <blackflow> ryouma: use grep . instead of cat it'll tell you the filename which is important here
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2657 [21:36:14] <simpledat> blackflow: Should I do apt-get install intel-microcode , to fix it?
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2659 [21:36:27] <ryouma> blackflow: oh ha. yes that helps.
2660 [21:36:44] <blackflow> ryouma: and that's probably spec store bypass, which requires microcode to be mitigated.
2661 [21:37:03] <ryouma> does debian have such a microcode?
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2664 [21:37:33] <Hydroxide> Debian does offer intel microcode, yes
2665 [21:37:34] <blackflow> yes, intel-microcode from non-free, but I think it's possible some CPUs won't be covered by it.
2666 [21:37:40] <ryouma> already running intel microcode
2667 [21:37:42] <ryouma> ah
2668 [21:37:47] <simpledat> blackflow: Why do I have to download it from non-free? Why is there no a fix by main debian packages?
2669 [21:37:52] <ntd> iirc intel drew the line a lynnfield
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2672 [21:38:09] <Hydroxide> simpledat: because the license of the microcode is proprietary
2673 [21:38:12] <Hydroxide> i.e., non-free
2674 [21:38:21] <blackflow> ryouma: especially older ones, older than ivy bridge, methinks were the ones Intel said they won't fix...
2675 [21:38:24] <ryouma> nobody reverse engineered it in floss
2676 [21:38:26] <ntd> so <=nehalem/bloomfield owners are SOL
2677 [21:38:29] <joepublic> simpledat, it's proprietary -- its license forbids reverse-engineering, for example. It's not free software, and main contains only free software
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2679 [21:38:45] <Hydroxide> debian offers it to meet users' real needs, but isn't going to lie to users about the license either.
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2682 [21:39:09] <ntd> blackflow, going forward they will only patch ME vulns on =>ivy. spectre fixes >=lynnfield
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2684 [21:39:42] <simpledat> Hydroxide joepublic: But its a fatal security risk, right? Then Debian should fix this somehow.
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2687 [21:39:50] <Hydroxide> replaced-url
2688 [21:40:13] <Hydroxide> simpledat: ^^^ that wiki page explains what to do. Debian does ship secure microcode, but the license forces it to be a non-free security update
2689 [21:40:18] <joepublic> it's not a fatal security risk. it's a minor vulnerability. if you want to fix it, i am sure someone will be interested in packaging the fix for debian.
2690 [21:40:25] <blackflow> ntd: bah. and you know what's funny? instead of publishing Intel by switching to AMD (which yes, I know, are NOT innocent in this), the industry will reward Intel with gobs of monies when Intel comes out with redesigned chips that mitigate ALL of Meltre, sometime 2020 or around there.
2691 [21:40:37] <ppw> how do I ... how do I mount a CD in recovery mode? the filesystem has a completely different layout than it used to
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2694 [21:40:59] <Hydroxide> simpledat: if you want to complain about the microcode license, that complaint needs to go to Intel (or AMD for theirs) since nobody else can relicense it
2695 [21:41:11] <simpledat> How is that then the rest of them are fixed by main debian? replaced-url
2696 [21:41:43] <blackflow> simpledat: some Meltre (Meltdown/Spectre) mitigations are done by kernel, some by microcode, some by BOTH (in-kernel fixes that require microcode support)
2697 [21:41:46] <joepublic> simpledat, some vulnerabilities can be fixed by software, such as in the kernel, which is free software and therefore in main. this is not rocket science.
2698 [21:42:20] <Hydroxide> simpledat: in addition to what joepublic said, anything that's fixable at the BIOS level wouldn't need the proprietary microcode, just like kernel-level fixes
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2702 [21:42:43] <blackflow> joepublic: it's worse than rocket science, all the arcane magick they did with speculative execution, 'tis so overly über complex, it's mind boggling :)
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2704 [21:42:55] <joepublic> if fact, bios upgrade is one way that microcode updates can happen.
2705 [21:42:58] <ryouma> not fatal?
2706 [21:43:10] <joepublic> blackflow, I mean free being in main and non-free being in non-free
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2708 [21:43:22] <blackflow> joepublic: ah :)
2709 [21:43:34] <Hydroxide> no other distro has a freely licensed Intel microcode to offer; if they include it in their main archive, that's just because they allow certain categories of proprietary things into their main archive.
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2711 [21:43:53] <blackflow> but one needs to understand what's affected by Meltre, in order to understand how kernel and microcode even come into play.
2712 [21:43:57] <Hydroxide> meanwhile debian simply makes it easy enough to use the non-free stuff if you want or need to use it, without lying about its freeness.
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2714 [21:44:55] <simpledat> blackflow: You said, its possible some CPUs wont be covered by it. Does that mean my system wont start if I install microcode?
2715 [21:45:02] <DammitJim> not sure if this is a debian question, but let me know... what is the difference between me SSH'ing into a host as myself, then sudo su - <user>
2716 [21:45:05] <joepublic> there is a certain distro made by self-styled "veteran unix admins" that goes on at length on its website about free software, and has dozens of non-free packages on its installation media. very muddy waters. debian doesn't do that.
2717 [21:45:12] <DammitJim> versus SSH'ing into the same host but as the <user>
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2719 [21:45:23] <DammitJim> when I ssh directly as that user, the prompt is just $
2720 [21:45:40] <DammitJim> but when I sudo su - <user>, I get a <user>@<host>:~#
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2723 [21:45:56] <blackflow> simpledat: tehcnically yes, microcode faults can render your computer unbootable and it happened already with these... though it's rather unlikely --- but in this case, "not covered" means the package won't contain the fix for specific CPUs.
2724 [21:46:41] <simpledat> blackflow: How do I know if microcode will fix it for my CPU?
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2727 [21:47:06] <joepublic> simpledat, you ask intel support that question.
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2730 [21:47:28] <blackflow> simpledat: you peruse its documentation: replaced-url
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2732 [21:48:09] <gvth> does anyone have an idea how to move the xfce-panel from top to bottom?
2733 [21:48:50] <ryouma> well i looked up automount in jessie and i do not run autofs. i do have udisks installed. dunno if that is relevant.
2734 [21:48:51] <blackflow> gvth: unlock it and then move it by its handle
2735 [21:48:58] <ntd> blackflow, i can't really give amd points when they claimed that they were like toooootally unaffected back around new-years
2736 [21:49:04] <ntd> spectre
2737 [21:49:09] <psiconauta> just click on the properties
2738 [21:49:20] <gvth> blackflow: how to unlock?
2739 [21:49:27] <psiconauta> and change the position selectbox
2740 [21:49:42] <psiconauta> *using the
2741 [21:49:43] <blackflow> ntd: oh I know but Intel must be punished by giving gobs of monies to their competitor instead. then when the playfield levels, some healthy competion will do its job :)
2742 [21:49:44] <ryouma> sounds like now is not the time to buy a new cpu, if 2020 is when they will be safe
2743 [21:49:54] <gvth> psiconauta: I have loooked in the properties already, but there seems to be nothing for panel position
2744 [21:50:04] <joepublic> i am not seeing a position selectbox
2745 [21:50:10] <psiconauta> sorry
2746 [21:50:12] <blackflow> gvth: right click it and then somewhere inthat context menu is Unlock or something, iirc
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2748 [21:50:15] <psiconauta> panel preferences
2749 [21:50:27] <blackflow> gvth: I'm also sure google will throw links at you if you ask it that same question
2750 [21:50:46] <psiconauta> unlock the panel
2751 [21:51:07] <psiconauta> and move it to where you want it
2752 [21:51:08] <joepublic> yeah the move it by its handle thing is working perfectly here thanks :)
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2755 [21:52:12] <blackflow> yeah and the handle becomes visible when you unlock the panel
2756 [21:52:15] <gvth> blackflow, psiconauta: thanks, I made it
2757 [21:52:20] <psiconauta> cool
2758 [21:52:43] <gvth> blackflow, psiconauta: I unlocked in the panel preferences and dragged it to the bottom
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2760 [21:53:02] <psiconauta> yeah, could be easier than that?
2761 [21:53:08] <blackflow> ryouma: please don't take that 2020 as a fact, I pulled it out of my ..... hat.... based on some recent Intel announcements of Soon(tm)
2762 [21:53:28] <psiconauta> love xfce
2763 [21:54:33] <ryouma> in jessie, can automount just be turned off? i don't see the point of it, actually. it's not like it will unmount for you too, i presume.
2764 [21:54:35] <gvth> psiconauta: xfce development could be a little bit more improved but it's okay
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2767 [21:55:02] <psiconauta> it's rock solid
2768 [21:55:13] <gvth> psiconauta: unfortunately, in the past years, xfce has seen not much new stuff
2769 [21:55:24] <blackflow> personally.... I'm more interested in Talos and IBM POWER9 chips, than waiting for Intel to do anything.
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2771 [21:55:33] <psiconauta> and well supported on others UNIXes
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2777 [21:56:14] <psiconauta> gvth, that's true
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2782 [21:56:33] <ppw> why do I fail to get a display with the testing kernel?
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2785 [21:56:53] <ryouma> blackflow: and stretch runs on those?
2786 [21:57:00] <ryouma> for desktops?
2787 [21:57:12] <ppw> 4.18.0-3
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2789 [21:57:36] <blackflow> ryouma: yes, ppc64 if I'm not mistaken
2790 [21:57:51] <ryouma> oh i thought ppc was dead
2791 [21:57:55] <ryouma> and unsupported
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2793 [21:58:03] <blackflow> oh wait... Stretch.... I don't know.
2794 [21:58:26] <ryouma> or buster, whatever
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2796 [21:58:48] <ryouma> i wil not be on jessie forever
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2798 [21:59:00] <simpledat> blackflow: Yeah I think my CPU is listed there
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2800 [21:59:43] <blackflow> ryouma: quick googling suggests yes.
2801 [21:59:55] <ryouma> had no idea there were real competitors
2802 [22:00:07] <ryouma> just thought it was a duopoly
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2804 [22:00:36] <joepublic> the power9 chips are zarkingly fast according to the phoronix benchmarks
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2809 [22:01:01] <joepublic> of course, their retail price indicates they are worth their weight in unobtanium.
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2811 [22:01:19] <blackflow> true, rather pricey thingies.
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2815 [22:02:46] <blackflow> I'm of half mind to get me some power9 rack mountable thingies and go colo, instead of renting x86 hardware...
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2818 [22:03:09] <blackflow> *half a
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2852 [22:17:25] <ppw> does an x.org x server have to be run on the same version of a kernel that it was built with?
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2854 [22:17:56] <ppw> because I just get a black screen when I run startx
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2856 [22:18:03] <ppw> under 4.18.0-3
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2858 [22:18:13] <ppw> and it works normally with 4.9.0-8
2859 [22:18:23] <ppw> the same version it was built with
2860 [22:18:36] <simpledat> blackflow: I can not find anything in the logs. Maybe Im wrong? Could it be that I hit keyboard that made me boot into the login screen?
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2865 [22:20:13] <nkuttler> ppw: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
2866 [22:20:17] <otyugh> hey. How could I make a script execute automatically after a "apt remove" call ?
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2868 [22:21:02] <otyugh> I found Dpkg::PostInvoc which execute at every install/remove, I'd want to get a bit more selective
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2870 [22:21:11] <blackflow> simpledat: I don't know, sorry.
2871 [22:21:12] <simpledat> is there any keyboard shortcut that loggin out the user?
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2877 [22:23:18] <pingfloyd> otyugh: append && script
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2879 [22:25:09] <otyugh> pingfloyd, "append" ?
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2882 [22:25:40] <otyugh> ho. Nah I want it to be compatible with any graphical package manager
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2885 [22:26:50] <simpledat> blackflow: Do you know if there is any such keyboard shortcut?
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2892 [22:30:40] <joepublic> seems like an odd thing to bind to a shortcut.
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2896 [22:31:32] <blackflow> simpledat: I don't know, sorry.
2897 [22:32:10] <simpledat> replaced-url
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2900 [22:32:16] <simpledat> Do you know what this is?
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2933 [22:51:00] <agio> hi, does anyone know if debian has documentation or a wiki page for encrypting arbitrary partitions? e.g. a debian equivalent to this:
2934 [22:51:02] <agio> replaced-url
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2937 [22:52:25] <ntd> "cryptsetup luksFormat"
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2939 [22:52:31] <ntd> "man cryptsetup"
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2944 [22:54:04] <ntd> cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/foo1 -c aes-xts-REALLYREADME -s README -h README -i README
2945 [22:54:12] <agio> thanks ntd, Im really looking for something like a how to to cover a use case
2946 [22:54:19] <ntd> ?
2947 [22:54:52] <agio> the cryptsetup / luksFormat is needed, yes
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2949 [22:55:07] <agio> but then what about the rest ?
2950 [22:55:22] <agio> the rest of the things that need to be done?
2951 [22:55:37] <agio> e.g. how to automount that partition on boot
2952 [22:55:50] <ntd> that would be /etc/crypttab
2953 [22:56:01] <ntd> and fstab for the mapped part
2954 [22:56:32] <ntd> and i belive that arch wiki is just about as elegant as they come, how about some good old RTFM?
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2956 [22:57:39] <ntd> last time i looked it even told you have to make cryptsetup import that really good belgian coffee you had at that hotel once
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2958 [22:58:47] <agio> yeah, that archlinux wiki page is great, I just thought if debian had an equivalent it would be prefferable
2959 [22:59:17] <ntd> yeah, well. one thing arch has going for it is *epic* docs
2960 [22:59:24] <ntd> debian used to have really good docs
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2962 [23:00:25] <agio> debians docs are good, and there probably even are some covering this, its just I don't know how to find them
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2990 [23:13:04] <serard> Hello
2991 [23:13:26] <serard> is it possible via d-i (I'm using packer.io to create boxes) to preseed the apt mirror ?
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3016 [23:23:54] <uso> I've just updated stretch on my notebook, now it does not find a boot device anymore. I've booted from a live system and tried to reinstall grub, but I get an error message: grub-install error: efibootmgr failed to register the boot entry: Input/output error. Any hints or ideas?
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3020 [23:27:22] <Brigo> uso, you can't install grub from a live system, you have to chroot in the system first.
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3022 [23:27:41] <Brigo> you can do that with the installer in advanced -> rescue mode.
3023 [23:28:18] <uso> I'm in a chroot and have mounted /proc, /sys, ...
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3025 [23:29:39] <Brigo> uso, and you get that error?
3026 [23:29:53] <joepublic> my preferred solution is to boot super grub 2 rescue disc, detect boot methods, boot into the installation, and grub-install from there
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3031 [23:30:32] <uso> Brigo: yes
3032 [23:30:36] <Brigo> joepublic, what is the advantage of detecting boot methods?
3033 [23:30:54] <Brigo> uso, efibootmgr is a program, run it and search for errors.
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3035 [23:31:15] <uso> it run, but I have no debian entry in the list
3036 [23:31:25] <joepublic> it boots into your installation, no need to chroot
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3038 [23:32:58] <Brigo> joepublic, right, that's and advantage :)
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3040 [23:33:26] <somiaj> better make sure the live system you booted into is booting using uefi mode (not legacy)
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3042 [23:33:56] <joepublic> It changes "holy zark i can't boot anymore" to "hmm, until i fix this minor glitch I have to boot using this boot disc"
3043 [23:34:02] <Brigo> uso, and wit -v (verbose)
3044 [23:34:51] <uso> somiaj: /sys/firmware/efi exists, as far as I understand it that means it has booted in efi mode?
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3048 [23:36:33] <somiaj> okay, just double checking
3049 [23:37:02] <uso> Brigo: it gives me a list of 13 entries, but non of them has something with debian
3050 [23:37:26] <Brigo> uso, i ma getting out of ideas :/
3051 [23:37:36] <uso> somiaj: no problem, better double check, I'm a noob regarding efi ;)
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3054 [23:38:02] <uso> (this is my first and only system with efi)
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3056 [23:38:30] <Brigo> uso, replaced-url
3057 [23:38:42] <joepublic> I remember my first EFI system. I promptly changed boot to "Legacy Mode"
3058 [23:39:12] <n4dir> still waiting for my first efi system, and i probably will wait another few years.
3059 [23:39:23] <ryouma> do all mb's have legacy bios mode?
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3061 [23:39:35] <ryouma> i mean for standard consumer stuff
3062 [23:39:49] <joepublic> I would guess it would be pretty common, but I honestly don't know
3063 [23:39:57] <ryouma> i want to just be able to throw a bios disk in there and have it work
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3065 [23:42:00] <somiaj> I like efi due to no need for grub anymore, and dual booting is way easier.
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3067 [23:42:29] <ntd> "no need for grub"
3068 [23:42:30] <Brigo> n4dir, me too :)
3069 [23:42:35] <ntd> you heard it here, folks
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3072 [23:43:18] <joepublic> grub has more features than some operating systems.
3073 [23:44:16] <n4dir> Brigo: can't say i am keen to run in it, but the problem is that i always forget that it might be involved if someone asks bout restoring grub.
3074 [23:44:19] <Brigo> joepublic, if you are thinking in msdos, yes.
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3078 [23:44:41] <joepublic> I had a job once porting software from CP/M to Apple II.
3079 [23:44:42] <koollman> grub know how to read more fs and partition formats than pretty much all OS besides maybe linux and a few bsd :)
3080 [23:44:59] <uso> Brigo: that might be it, i did not get a message about no space left, but after removing 111 dump files the grub-install error is gone
3081 [23:45:07] * uso crosses fingers
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3084 [23:46:22] <watchcat> joepublic: i ran cp/m on my apple ][+ for a long time.
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3086 [23:46:51] <joepublic> That wasn't an option for this project, though I forget the details.
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3088 [23:47:06] <joepublic> The CP/M software was running on DEC Rainbows
3089 [23:48:48] <ryouma> iirc 20,000 usd, and no better than an ibm pc
3090 [23:49:23] <joepublic> sure were heavier. And you couldn't clean the screen with windex because of the odd anti-glare coating.
3091 [23:49:28] <uso> what a crap, file system full on an efi partition!? what are these dumps good for?
3092 [23:50:00] <uso> system is up and running, thanks a lot for that URL, Brigo, and everyone else helping!
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3097 [23:51:05] <rwp> uso, I just popped through and read the scrollback. I just yesterday ran into a grub install problem that for me turned out I was using grub-pc instead of grub-efi-amd64.
3098 [23:51:14] <Brigo> uso, you are lucky that debian has a big database with a very clever engine available only for us.
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3100 [23:51:30] <rwp> uso, Just a caution that when using grub-install for UEFI systems make sure it is the EFI version of grub.
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3103 [23:51:39] <uso> is there anything else I should do from the running system to ensure grub is up to date and properly installed now?
3104 [23:51:54] <Brigo> uso, if it boots is perfect
3105 [23:51:58] <joepublic> update-grub wouldn't hurt
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3108 [23:53:02] <uso> rwp: i have grub-efi-amd64 installed, I guerss that's OK then?
3109 [23:53:25] <ryouma> database of what?
3110 [23:53:26] <rwp> Yes. Sounds good. And when run it will say it is installing x86_64-efi instead of i386-pc.
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3113 [23:56:58] <Brigo> ryouma, knowledge
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