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326 [03:41:28] <rant> wr: replaced-url
327 [03:42:38] <rant> for the most part using such things should probably be treated like an SSB, thus you will not recieve security updates, you need to manage the package yourself and should take such precautions to insure these apps are isolated such as those suggested in the wiki
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331 [03:45:04] <rant> personally I am of a mind to do without things that may compromise my system, but YMMV. I would never use a snap anyhow cause its made by the same people that make ubuntu which I despise and the word "snap" is slang here for a person who is addicted to crack cocaine and bugs you at 4am for money, or steals your tv or w/e to go get crack..
332 [03:45:54] <rant> which considering my view of ubuntu and its users, and this whole concept of out-of-tree SNS, I suppose "snap" is a good word for it :P
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348 [04:00:15] <SerajewelKS> AIUI flatpak is one of those things with noble goals but without a team that understands security and separation of concerns
349 [04:00:23] <SerajewelKS> it's the systemd of package management
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352 [04:03:00] <SerajewelKS> it brings the convenience of easy install and a wealth of software, just like random installers on windows. it also brings the security implications of downloading and installing random crap.
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356 [04:05:26] <joepublic> some developers don't want to have several teams that know all the ins and outs of each distribution and building and maintaining a package for each distribution. some of these like the idea of just making a [flatpak|snap|whatever]. If it's an issue for them, however, why not make a tarball like we did before snaps and flatpacks were a thing?
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368 [04:08:06] <SerajewelKS> exactly
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371 [04:08:17] <SerajewelKS> statically link everything and have users extract it into /opt
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374 [04:08:38] <joepublic> already existed, and isn't a problem that needed solving.
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376 [04:08:58] <SerajewelKS> except that users typically aren't going to want to symlink desktop shortcuts and manpages and crap
377 [04:09:13] <SerajewelKS> but that's trivial stuff
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459 [04:34:42] <bltzfsck> notadeveloper_: so how's your work on nota coming?
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467 [04:38:38] <notadeveloper_> it is cool
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479 [04:46:19] <bltzfsck> how would you use a fingerprint reader to secure less than your whole computer? like, say, a drive or directory?
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531 [05:17:01] <comet23> ciao a tutti
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536 [05:21:51] <nuxil> mornings
537 [05:22:49] <annadane> !it
538 [05:22:49] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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540 [05:22:57] <annadane> comet23, ^
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546 [05:28:02] <nuxil> Is there is issue with memory management in debian stretch kernel? replaced-url
547 [05:28:39] <nuxil> i guess "Web Content" is related to Firefox.
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550 [05:31:52] <SerajewelKS> nuxil: why would you assume this is a kernel issue and not a firefox issue?
551 [05:32:15] <nuxil> SerajewelKS, im not assuming. im asking if there is.
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553 [05:33:11] <nuxil> i dont know what it could be. kernel , and what is Web Content?
554 [05:33:19] <nuxil> *kernel or not
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556 [05:33:38] <epicmetal> It's Firefox
557 [05:33:42] <epicmetal> Usually
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559 [05:33:59] <nuxil> ok. but FF is listed as firefox-esr in top
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562 [05:34:45] <SerajewelKS> nuxil: firefox forks into multiple processes. some of it renames itself "web content" -- presumably the processes that render HTML and run javascript.
563 [05:34:58] <nuxil> i see
564 [05:35:02] <SerajewelKS> "firefox-esr" in top is likely the browser shell
565 [05:35:16] <SerajewelKS> the individual tabs probably each have a "firefox-esr" process and a "Web Content" process
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567 [05:35:40] <SerajewelKS> i can't say for sure about the architecture, but "Web Content" is 100% for sure a firefox process
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571 [05:37:01] <comet23> nn e' vero
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576 [05:40:00] <SerajewelKS> nuxil: part of the art of managing linux is knowing processes can rename themselves. "pstree" is your friend, as it will (generally) show which processes own others. if you run pstree you should see all of the Web Content processes owned by a firefox process.
577 [05:41:05] <nuxil> nice..
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579 [05:41:22] <SerajewelKS> it's a neat little tool to figure out what spawned what
580 [05:41:34] <nuxil> been using ps aux :p
581 [05:41:39] <nuxil> pstree was much nicer
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584 [05:44:17] <nuxil> But i don not get it why FF needs to use several GB of memory for a few tabs open. and there is nothing special about the pages im visiting. mostly just text and pictures.
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588 [05:45:03] <nuxil> i stoped using FF in windows cos it started to become bad.. seems like i need to do the same in liux
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590 [05:45:19] <nuxil> *linux
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811 [07:47:26] <aaii> I have a text file , in the text file i have many name of package name, packages.txt , How i can install all of them with 1 command?
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816 [07:51:16] <Rico> hello
817 [07:51:51] <Rico> has anyone here heard something about a bug which makes the partitioning tool crash at installation when disk_size = ram size ?
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838 [08:00:48] <Wulf> Rico: you might be the first to encounter it.
839 [08:01:20] <Wulf> Rico: partman might try to set the swap size to ram size, leaving no space for anything else
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841 [08:01:31] <Wulf> or maybe gets into a division by zero
842 [08:02:00] <Rico> don't know.... trying to disable a dimm
843 [08:02:17] <Wulf> Rico: or get a larger disk
844 [08:02:27] <Rico> undoable
845 [08:02:33] <Rico> physical host at 500km
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865 [08:12:51] <rwp> I am suspicious. Why do you think the crash is due to ram equal to disk size?
866 [08:12:55] <rwp> You could boot the debian-installer using the mem= option to set the ram smaller than actual.
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869 [08:13:29] <rwp> aaii, You can install all of the packages listed in a file with: apt-get install $(cat packages.txt)
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873 [08:14:25] <aaii> rwp, Thank you :)
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875 [08:17:05] <rwp> Happy to help!
876 [08:18:22] <Rico> rwp: I'll try that, the mem= option
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892 [08:30:30] <Rico> rwp: part tool does not seem to crash with ram=4096m
893 [08:30:38] <Rico> waiting for the install to finish
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897 [08:36:31] <rwp> If it works then great!
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905 [08:41:38] <Rico> rwp: seems to work perfectly
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928 [08:54:11] <Rico> retrying an install with full ram
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1040 [09:48:28] <devoid> sziasztok mizu
1041 [09:48:35] <devoid> ti is szeretitetk a #debiant?
1042 [09:48:38] <devoid> en nagyon szeretem a debiant
1043 [09:48:44] <devoid> mer jo init rendszert hasznal
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1047 [09:51:28] <jelly> !hu
1048 [09:51:28] <dpkg> Ez egy angol nyelvu csatorna. Kerlek beszelj angolul vagy probald a #debian.hu csatornat a FreeNode halozaton, ha magyarul szeretnel.
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1053 [09:52:46] <darxmurf> how did you get the language ? :D
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1145 [10:41:10] <MrBleu> hello #debian !
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1147 [10:41:36] <MrBleu> i am trying to backport a package using git packagebuilder
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1150 [10:42:58] <MrBleu> However, the command gbp buildpackage claims my pristine-tar is missing, ( for instance gdal_2.3.2+dfsg.orig.tar.gz.delta which is correct as the correct filename is gdal_2.3.2+dfsg.orig.tar.xz.delta)
1151 [10:43:18] <MrBleu> ( git repo here btw : replaced-url
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1154 [10:43:32] <MrBleu> My question is : to set that up correctly ?
1155 [10:43:43] <MrBleu> +how to
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1159 [10:44:43] <MrBleu> Is my version of gbp correct ? gbp 0.9.10+nmu1
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1161 [10:46:30] <rdz> hey all . free tells me that 10GB of ram are being used. however i am not able to attribute that amount to any process
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1165 [10:47:21] <rdz> how does free calculate the used memory? by simply subtracting free memory from total memory?
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1167 [10:48:38] <rdz> /proc/meminfo doesn't show any numbers that summed up would reflect the amount of used memory
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1191 [11:00:26] <MrBleu> Ok, nevermind, that was a totally unrelated issue .
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1193 [11:00:50] <MrBleu> ls
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1229 [11:18:26] <jelly> rdz: the actually useful value is in "available" column. "used" includes shared memory and cache and buffers and private memory used by userspace some other stuff
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1507 [13:52:22] <mezgani> Hello
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1510 [13:52:58] <maxvaillancourt1> Hi!
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1669 [15:24:02] <Zathras> Hi. During an upgrade of MariaDB-server on Stretch the process failed. Mysql was no longer running. Restarting it and reissuing the upgrade results in a loopwith in logs: [ERROR] InnoDB: Unable to lock ./ibdata1, error: 11 and in the terminal: W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (3 vs 7).
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1672 [15:24:17] <Zathras> sound familiar?
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1674 [15:25:16] <Zathras> also: [ERROR] InnoDB: Could not open or create the system tablespace. If you tried to add new data files to the system tablespace, and it failed here, you should now edit innodb_data_file_path in my.cnf back to what it was, and remove the new ibdata files InnoDB created in this failed attempt. InnoDB only wrote those files full of zeros, but did not yet use them in any way. But be careful: do not remove old data files which
1675 [15:25:16] <Zathras> contain your precious data!
1676 [15:25:21] <Zathras> quite messy
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1678 [15:25:27] <Zathras> any hints appreciated
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1693 [15:31:04] <Zathras> nm: now it works. Weird
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1708 [15:36:41] <petn-randall> Zathras: Disk full?
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1710 [15:37:45] <andre144k> hi all. is there an easy way to exctract only one folder "foobar" from foo.tar.gz ? "tar xvzf foo.tar.gz" extract complete archive, but i want only folder foobar (recursiv with all subfolders)
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1712 [15:38:17] <Zathras> petn-randall, no, that was also my first thought. I have no idea why things wend wrong. After killing all MySQL residu and restarting Mariadb I was able to upgrade. It works now. No idea why it ran into trouble
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1714 [15:38:48] <petn-randall> andre144k: look at the -x option in 'man tar'.
1715 [15:38:54] <greycat> tar xzf foo.tar.gz foobar
1716 [15:38:57] <Zathras> andre144k, you could "walk into" the archive using a filemanager and copy only the desired part
1717 [15:39:14] <diogenes_> andre144k, i guess it's possible but you need to open it with file-roller
1718 [15:39:19] <andre144k> greycat, thx ill try out
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1720 [15:39:31] <deleuze6> I recently came across this page and am concerned: replaced-url
1721 [15:39:42] <petn-randall> Zathras: If restarting mariadb fails, the upgrade generally also fails, as this is done during upgrade.
1722 [15:40:02] <petn-randall> deleuze6: What are you concerned about?
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1727 [15:41:05] <deleuze6> petn-randall: Specifically I am accustomed to receiveing updates to my debian stable distribution (stretch) on a regular basis via automatic updates.
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1729 [15:41:29] <deleuze6> petn-randall: I am concerned that firefox-esr is out of date, as I have been warned on its home page,
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1731 [15:41:58] <deleuze6> petn-randall: so I am prompted with a link to download packages directly from Mozilla instead.
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1733 [15:42:26] <deleuze6> petn-randall: this process is described on the wiki page. Now this worries me for two reasons.
1734 [15:42:39] <deleuze6> (1) it sidesteps the debian security team,
1735 [15:42:47] <greycat> !esr
1736 [15:42:47] <dpkg> Eric S. Raymond, a very clever Linux d00d with lots of very interesting philosophical and political texts. a guy who has some ideas about guns and who can't figure out CUPS. The geezer who wrote Cathedral and Bazaar. Somebody whose sgeigerbot's computer thinks about when it boots: "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000", or replaced-url
1737 [15:42:50] <deleuze6> (2) it requires me to update manually
1738 [15:42:50] <greycat> Bah.
1739 [15:42:52] <greycat> !firefox-esr
1740 [15:42:52] <dpkg> In stable, firefox-esr (Extended Support Release) will be updated to the next release when the old version is no longer supported by Mozilla; this is normally forced by a security update and often breaks many packaged extensions. In testing/unstable firefox-esr is updated after having matured in experimental for a suitable time.
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1742 [15:43:55] <deleuze6> greycat: OK, so what you are saying is that the warning on the firefox-esr home page is spurious and should be ignored? I had interpreted it to mean that I am missing security updates.
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1744 [15:44:43] <petn-randall> deleuze6: You're not. Where does that page say that?
1745 [15:45:00] <deleuze6> greycat: what the !firefox-esr is saying seems to contradict it, suggesting that my firefox-esr package is sufficiently up-to-date.
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1747 [15:45:14] <greycat> I really have NO idea what "warning" you are talking about.
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1751 [15:46:15] <petn-randall> deleuze6: firefox-esr receives regular security updates in stable, just like any other of the 52,000 packages. *Where* do you read a warning that it doesn't receive updates?
1752 [15:46:27] <deleuze6> Recently, I started up firefox-esr, and on the front page of the firefox that came up, it said that I am out of date and should download packages from Mozilla. So I followed the instructions on the wiki page.
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1754 [15:47:17] <deleuze6> (i.e., the instructions for 'stable', 'beta', or 'nightly'
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1756 [15:47:27] <petn-randall> deleuze6: Are you regularly updating your system then?
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1758 [15:47:35] <deleuze6> petn-randall: yes.
1759 [15:47:46] <petn-randall> deleuze6: Which FF version do you currently have?
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1761 [15:48:06] <deleuze6> petn-randall: for firefox-esr, I have: 60.3.0esr-1~deb9u1
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1764 [15:48:43] <petn-randall> That's the latest ESR version that's even supported by Mozilla. I don't know why you should have gotten any kind of popup. Unless it was some phishing page maybe.
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1767 [15:49:18] <deleuze6> petn-randall: it wasn't a popup exactly, it was text in the part of the front page screen that generally comes from Mozilla.
1768 [15:49:35] <greycat> Can you tell us what your home page's URL is?
1769 [15:50:11] <deleuze6> greycat: nothing is in the title bar other than a greyed-out "Search or enter address". Not sure which about:X leads to it.
1770 [15:50:38] <deleuze6> It sounds like what you are saying is that the message might be spurious, e.g. as if Mozilla pushed something that was wrong.
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1772 [15:51:02] <deleuze6> Maybe I should just uninstall my manual installation, go back to using regular firefox-esr, and come back to let you know if I run into this again.
1773 [15:51:08] <greycat> We don't know where this alleged message is COMING from. Nobody else is seeing it.
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1776 [15:51:58] <petn-randall> deleuze6: If it was on your manual install, Mozilla might notify you about your manual install being out of date. I'm pretty sure it doesn't happen with the packaged version from Debian.
1777 [15:52:13] <deleuze6> greycat: OK. I'll see if I can reproduce it.
1778 [15:52:33] <deleuze6> petn-randall: well, it was the regular firefox-esr from Debian that I had been using.
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1780 [15:53:05] <deleuze6> I'll see if I can reproduce it. It sounds like either I was doing something wrong or there was some ephemeral bug.
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1782 [15:53:36] <petn-randall> deleuze6: ff esr in Debian was version 52, and is now version 60. It was updated some time this summer. If you haven't upgraded since, there might be such a popup? I honestly don't know.
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1784 [15:54:31] <deleuze6> petn-randall: I'll be sure to double-check the version if I can reproduce the error.
1785 [15:54:33] <deleuze6> thanks.
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1787 [15:55:23] <greycat> firefox-esr 60.x was uploaded to stretch-security in early September
1788 [15:55:29] <deleuze6> Right now part of me thinks I must have been hallucinating, but I have the answer I was looking for, which is that I should be able to just run firefox-esr without worrying about manual packages.
1789 [15:55:40] <greycat> Looks like Sep 6 in the changelog.
1790 [15:55:45] <deleuze6> greycat: *nod* that sounds good.
1791 [15:56:06] <deleuze6> thanks for the reassurance. I'll double-check and come back if I can reproduce it.
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1918 [16:50:42] <werkt> no context, the page has only 'Any' in the architecture select tag, with some garbage perl output for each architecture
1919 [16:51:13] <werkt> /perl> @arches = ( amd64, arm64, armel..., badly formatted html, at least for my firefox
1920 [16:51:38] <joepublic> true statement.
1921 [16:51:58] <joepublic> looks like a boo-boo.
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1925 [16:52:53] <Tenkawa> well thats definitely not good
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1942 [17:00:31] <SerajewelKS> looks like it uses <perl></perl> tags for server side rendering and someone messed the tags up :(
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1944 [17:00:55] <SerajewelKS> i'm guessing that "/perl>" needs to be "<perl>"
1945 [17:01:00] <Zgrokl> is it possible to install cuda with legacy 340xx nvidia driver ?
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1964 [17:14:30] <jelly> Zgrokl: does "apt-cache search cuda 340xx" say anything?
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1967 [17:15:04] <Zgrokl> jelly, there is libnvidia-legacy-340xx-cuda1 - NVIDIA CUDA Driver Library (340xx legacy version)
1968 [17:15:16] <jelly> is that all that's there?
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1970 [17:15:30] <Zgrokl> compiler also and nvcuvid1
1971 [17:15:40] <Zgrokl> but i need -dev to compile ffmpeg with cuda
1972 [17:15:48] <jelly> I don't know which components cuda has and needs to work. "compiler" sounds useful.
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1978 [17:18:52] <jelly> Zgrokl: and can you install nvidia-cuda-dev next to that?
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1983 [17:20:18] <jelly> ,depends nvidia-cuda-dev
1984 [17:20:19] <judd> Package nvidia-cuda-dev in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libcudart8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libcuinj64-8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libnvrtc8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libnvtoolsext1 (= 8.0.44-4), libnvvm3 (= 8.0.44-4), libcublas8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libnvblas8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libcufft8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libcufftw8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libcurand8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libcusolver8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libcusparse8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libnppc8.0 (= 8.0.44-4),
1985 [17:20:20] <judd> libnppi8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libnppial8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libnppicc8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libnppicom8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libnppidei8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libnppif8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libnppig8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libnppim8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libnppist8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libnppisu8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libnppitc8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libnpps8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libnvgraph8.0 (= 8.0.44-4), libthrust-dev.
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1988 [17:21:00] <jelly> ,recommends nvidia-cuda-dev
1989 [17:21:01] <judd> Package nvidia-cuda-dev in stretch/amd64 -- recommends: libcuda1 (>= 367.48) | libcuda-8.0-1, libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev, libvdpau-dev, libnvcuvid1.
1990 [17:21:16] <jelly> ,whatprovides libcuda-8.0-1
1991 [17:21:31] <judd> Package libcuda-8.0-1 in stretch/amd64 is provided by: libcuda1.
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1994 [17:22:57] <jelly> sounds like the available version of nvidia-cuda-dev won't work with libnvidia-legacy-304xx-cuda1
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1998 [17:23:29] <jelly> ,recommends nvidia-cuda-dev --release jessie
1999 [17:23:30] <judd> Package nvidia-cuda-dev in jessie/amd64 -- recommends: libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev, libvdpau-dev, libnvcuvid1.
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2001 [17:24:00] <jelly> ,depends nvidia-cuda-dev --release jessie
2002 [17:24:02] <judd> Package nvidia-cuda-dev in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libcudart6.0 (= 6.0.37-5), libcublas6.0 (= 6.0.37-5), libnvblas6.0 (= 6.0.37-5), libcufft6.0 (= 6.0.37-5), libcufftw6.0 (= 6.0.37-5), libcusparse6.0 (= 6.0.37-5), libcurand6.0 (= 6.0.37-5), libnppc6.0 (= 6.0.37-5), libnppi6.0 (= 6.0.37-5), libnpps6.0 (= 6.0.37-5), libcuinj64-6.0 (= 6.0.37-5), libnvtoolsext1 (= 6.0.37-5), libnvvm2 (= 6.0.37-5),
2003 [17:24:02] <judd> libthrust-dev, libcuda1 (>= 331.62) | libcuda-6.0-1.
2004 [17:24:12] <jelly> nope, still too new
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2097 [18:02:02] <cuysk8> hey dudes, CEO has a high suspicion the IT people are snooping its email (zimbra). The logs have been deleted so it says a lot!, Does anyone know a way this can be monitored?
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2099 [18:02:37] <cuysk8> I'm thinking about a log server for the CEO to check
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2105 [18:05:27] <Wulf> cuysk8: log server sounds reasonable
2106 [18:05:44] <blackflow> cyphix: that'd be useless. no log can tell you whether someone, and especially IT people with potentially elevated privilege, reads your mail or not.
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2108 [18:05:58] <Wulf> cuysk8: if your CEO mistrusts her own IT staff, that's a problem. One of them should leave the company.
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2110 [18:06:14] <Wulf> blackflow: depends on the log
2111 [18:06:18] <blackflow> it does not
2112 [18:06:22] <jelly> cuysk8: there are ways to read mail stored on an imap server without it ever entering logs of mail services.
2113 [18:06:26] <blackflow> cat /path/to/imap/maildir/cur/....
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2116 [18:06:37] <Wulf> blackflow: that command can be logged too
2117 [18:06:51] <blackflow> nah :)
2118 [18:07:01] <BCMM> cuysk8: i don't see any way around this - any monitoring solution would, surely, be maintained by IT staff...
2119 [18:07:05] <jelly> Wulf: extensive and complete auditing is HARD
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2121 [18:07:16] <Wulf> jelly: I guess so, I never tried.
2122 [18:07:26] <BCMM> cuysk8: sounds like the CEO either has to *be* the IT staff, or learn to trust some IT staff
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2128 [18:08:05] <TRPM8> fire someone for deleting the logs and hire a new it professional who can be trusted
2129 [18:08:18] <jelly> honestly I have better things to do than read anyone else's mail
2130 [18:08:18] <Wulf> or fire the CEO
2131 [18:08:27] <jelly> I don't even read my own
2132 [18:08:47] <cuysk8> Wulf: what log server do you recommend?
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2134 [18:09:23] <Wulf> cuysk8: if it needs to be enterprise: splunk. Else maybe graylog or ELK.
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2136 [18:09:33] <jelly> cuysk8: splunk? ELK stack? a simple syslog server?
2137 [18:09:33] <Wulf> cuysk8: and put it in a place the IT has no access to.
2138 [18:09:42] <jelly> right :-)
2139 [18:09:57] <Wulf> cuysk8: did the IT come up with an explanation how the logs get deleted?
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2141 [18:10:11] <blackflow> splunk? elk? seriously? rsyslog or syslog-ng, can remote just fine with no additional megaton of layers
2142 [18:10:37] <blackflow> but taht's all useless. you need an audit trail and MLS and someone you trust to maintain the MLS.
2143 [18:10:45] <cuysk8> Wulf: no
2144 [18:10:49] <Wulf> cuysk8: why not?
2145 [18:10:55] <jelly> blackflow: yes serionsly, if you want an interface usable by someone with non-tech experience
2146 [18:10:56] <cuysk8> long story
2147 [18:10:57] <Wulf> MLS?
2148 [18:11:07] <GNU\colossus> ELK is many useful things, but not reliable enough to be the _primary_ log store
2149 [18:11:18] <cuysk8> jelly: good point!
2150 [18:11:26] <joepublic> install windows for the suspect employees, then ask microsoft whether the employees are reading the mail before microsoft gets to it?
2151 [18:11:40] <jelly> if their CEO can ssh and grep, then she can do that already.
2152 [18:11:49] <GNU\colossus> (that is true for all three components, so anything else storing data in elastic(search) is also "affected" by that simple truth)
2153 [18:12:09] <blackflow> Wulf: SELinux multiple level security where your root is no longer omnipotent and you compartmentalize multiple roots each with their own area of administration.
2154 [18:13:12] <blackflow> jelly: and uhh, how is such a person going to interpret the highly technical log entries, to begin with? :)
2155 [18:13:22] <jelly> cuysk8: in any case, you're going to spend 4-6 figures on setup of that audit system. If that's more $$$ than it's being lost by IT reading CEO mail, it's not worth the trouble
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2159 [18:13:55] <jelly> blackflow: also, most imapds do not log read actions by default at all
2160 [18:14:38] <jelly> but in short: if you can't trust your sysadmin, fire them and hire someone you trust
2161 [18:15:07] <blackflow> jelly: no but auditd/selinux can log read access
2162 [18:15:36] <jelly> blackflow: okay, how much are you going to charge to configure that
2163 [18:15:49] <blackflow> in other words it is technically possible to set up such an environment, you only need to trust that one person that will have maximum access.
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2165 [18:16:00] <blackflow> jelly: well that's another story. :)
2166 [18:16:02] <Wulf> Logs could be stored in the cloud (encrypted). E.g. create an AWS account just for that purpose, put logs on s3 and delete protect it. And make it very very hard to gain access to that AWS account.
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2168 [18:16:36] <cuysk8> jelly: proof is needed to fire people, although we are certain about the issue :-(
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2171 [18:17:14] <jelly> cuysk8: why do have backups of log files.
2172 [18:17:23] <jelly> s/why do/do you/
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2174 [18:18:25] <cuysk8> usually deleted immediately after read messages, that's why log server is needed
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2177 [18:18:52] <cuysk8> ...without access by this dude
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2180 [18:19:12] <blackflow> cuysk8: logging what exactly?
2181 [18:19:14] <jelly> cuysk8: do you have backups at all?
2182 [18:19:14] <GNU\colossus> to get your logs tamper(really: deletion)-proof with a working network is rather easy; just have rsyslogd forward them to a remote host (relp is useful for that) that only a certain cabal of people have access to
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2184 [18:19:24] <jelly> cuysk8: which debian release is this?
2185 [18:19:27] <cuysk8> jelly: LOL yes
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2187 [18:20:12] <cuysk8> blackflow: all accesses to zimbra by anyone
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2189 [18:20:27] <cuysk8> (IP addresses are enough)
2190 [18:20:31] <blackflow> cuysk8: which protocol? can these IT people access files via filesystem and completely ignore zimbra?
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2193 [18:21:02] <Wulf> cuysk8: did you check if the logs are still somewhere on the disk, even if they are "deleted"?
2194 [18:21:07] <Wulf> Deleting files isn't easy.
2195 [18:21:19] <cuysk8> blackflow: yes, they can access the filesystem
2196 [18:21:34] <karlpinc> cuysk8: Do something simple. Send an email to the CEO saying that there's some important information related to "dude" stored at some URL somewhere. That'd be a url that nobody accesses. When the url is accessed, log the IP. If somebody accesses the URL it was somebody snooping because you tell the CEO not to access it. Then you trace the IP back to "dude".
2197 [18:21:40] <blackflow> cuysk8: so then why are you so focused on logging, if they can access any file with no log of that being created.
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2199 [18:22:10] <cuysk8> karlpinic: great Idea LOL
2200 [18:22:14] <blackflow> karlpinc: OR to the nearest Hide My Ass exit node.
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2202 [18:22:44] <karlpinc> blackflow: True.
2203 [18:22:49] <cuysk8> agree with blackflow
2204 [18:22:57] <joepublic> there sure is a lot of LOL in what would be a serious situation if real and not a homework assignment. Either you are probably a student, or probably a psychopath.
2205 [18:23:05] <karlpinc> But tackle it as a people problem, not a techincal problem.
2206 [18:23:16] <jelly> cuysk8: which debian release is this, and which architecture?
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2209 [18:23:41] <blackflow> so if this is a REAL problem and we're not parading science fiction tales here, the only way to be sure is setting up a proper audit trail. anything else pretty much can't be trusted. even if you have "proof" in logs, you can't know whether that info was planted or not.
2210 [18:24:28] <cuysk8> jelly: I don't know I'm not on site, it might even be a CentOS
2211 [18:24:31] <joepublic> even saying "ip address is enough" goes against various court decisions, against the riaa for example.
2212 [18:24:59] <karlpinc> cuysk8: Probably something for #debian-offtopic then.
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2214 [18:25:42] <cuysk8> karlpinc: or probably not :-/
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2217 [18:26:57] <Ooze> Hello. I've got my desktop dual booted w/ Windows and Debian. I'm away right now, and my Win10 machine rebooted for an update, pushing me into Debian when it booted back up
2218 [18:27:22] <cuysk8> blackflow: I agree very much indeed, and what would you suggest as "proper audit trail"?
2219 [18:27:46] <Ooze> Is there a way I could change my grub config priorities so put Debian at the bottom? I think I can do this from ssh/teamviwer -- but I don't want to hose anything in the procecss
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2224 [18:28:29] <Wulf> Ooze: should be in /etc/default/grub
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2226 [18:28:37] <jelly> cuysk8: okay. Then this isn't a #debian question. Try #security or ##linux
2227 [18:28:42] <idlemind> cuysk8 proof may be required in certain areas legally to terminate (although it almost always isn't) ... it's far easier to just make the person quit ... make it unbearable to work there with stupid policies and other crap. then wait for the day the "dude" is late to work or leaves for a dr appt without giving 14 days notice because of the policy you invented last week and fire "dude"
2228 [18:28:53] <karlpinc> Ooze: You want the "GRUB_DEFAULT" which is the default boot "line".
2229 [18:29:21] <Ooze> Cheers
2230 [18:29:22] <idlemind> but ya it's def more of a ppl prob
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2233 [18:30:14] <jelly> Ooze: run update-grub as root after editing /etc/default/grub, and verify /boot/grub/grub.cfg contents afterwards (or do a test reboot)
2234 [18:30:34] <hiya> What program manages the search index in Debian?
2235 [18:30:56] <hiya> Files app won't be correct and sudden it looks like index has gone bad or stopped working totally
2236 [18:31:02] <joepublic> hard to do a remote test reboot :)
2237 [18:31:05] <karlpinc> hiya: "the search program"? You mean "locate"?
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2243 [18:32:27] <annadane> "files app"?
2244 [18:32:48] <cuysk8> OK jelly, blackflow, karlpinc and other contributor cool geezers, thank you very much for your help, should go to another channel as suggested
2245 [18:32:57] <Ooze> "GRUB_DEFAULT=0" should I change this to '1'? Or maybe 2 as there's a safe boot option in GRUB (perhaps even more)
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2247 [18:33:16] <jelly> Ooze: pick the menu entry you want.
2248 [18:33:25] <jelly> they start at 0.
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2250 [18:34:05] <jelly> submenus are more tricky. I _think_ the syntax is like "1;3" but I don't remember exacrly
2251 [18:34:06] <hiya> annadane, nautilus
2252 [18:34:24] <hiya> karlpinc, search index in main Gnome menu isn't working any more. I can't find any files etc
2253 [18:34:34] <hiya> also files/nautilus opens with a huge delay
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2258 [18:35:37] <annadane> is this debian 9, stable?
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2261 [18:36:09] <ooo-crap> Anybody have or can tell how to make a disk cataloger pref.bash or python
2262 [18:36:29] <ooo-crap> Yes annadane verry stable
2263 [18:36:38] <annadane> i was asking hiya.
2264 [18:36:47] <hiya> annadane, yes sir
2265 [18:36:58] <hiya> how to reset the search index?
2266 [18:37:12] <annadane> ok so at least not a testing/unstable bug
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2268 [18:37:13] <hiya> I think the search index is messed up
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2276 [18:40:21] <Ooze> jelly: So if I've only got two systems intalled, it'd likely just be '1'? Is the Debian safemode considered a submenu, or were you referring to dialogue that may appear on the next page after a selection is made?
2277 [18:40:34] <Ooze> I'm just worried to brick my access while I'm away for a month...
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2282 [18:42:29] <jelly> Ooze: if there _is_ a next page, that's a submenu
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2285 [18:43:52] <joepublic> ooze, if you can access windows, and you can access debian, where's the risk?
2286 [18:43:55] <Ooze> Okay. I think I've got 3+ entried on my GRUB loader. Debian, some kind of Debian safemode, and Windows. I'm worried the second option will disable networking, and thus my access. I suppose the same could happen if I specify '3' and there is no such option
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2288 [18:44:09] <jelly> Ooze: look at the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg, the nesting of menuentry and submenu items
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2292 [18:44:30] <jelly> Ooze: which one do you want to boot by default
2293 [18:44:35] <Ooze> Win10
2294 [18:45:01] <jelly> Ooze: then use "2" for GRUB_DEFAULT, that's the third option on the boot menu
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2296 [18:45:23] <Ooze> Okay, that's what I was thinking. Let's give it a shot...
2297 [18:45:25] <jelly> if you're still on premise, reboot and verify it works
2298 [18:45:37] <Ooze> Nope I'm on another continent :)
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2301 [18:45:51] <jelly> Ooze: don't forget to run update-grub after editing /etc/default/grub
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2303 [18:46:26] <Ooze> Found Windows Boot Manager on /dev/sda2@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
2304 [18:46:28] <Ooze> Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration
2305 [18:46:30] <Ooze> done
2306 [18:46:33] <Ooze> Looks good to me?
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2308 [18:46:47] <jelly> that always happens and does not mean it picked that one as default.
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2310 [18:46:54] <Ooze> Figures, okay
2311 [18:47:05] <Ooze> So reboot and see what happens?
2312 [18:47:09] <jelly> yes
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2314 [18:47:36] <jelly> if there's someone else on premise ask them to power on the monitor and describe what happens
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2316 [18:48:26] <erum> *if monitor is plugged in* 😂️
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2318 [18:48:38] <joepublic> "or indeed exists"
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2321 [18:49:12] <jelly> crimastergogo: why were there two of you from different IPs!
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2323 [18:49:26] <jelly> s/were/are/
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2333 [18:53:29] <jelly> ... and that machine was never heard from again. The end.
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2336 [18:54:29] <Ooze> My Windows install takes forever to boot up, hopefully it's just that... Still down
2337 [18:54:56] <annadane> it's probably systemd.
2338 [18:54:59] * annadane hides
2339 [18:55:03] <Ooze> maybe I should have configured wakeonlan
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2346 [18:57:24] <Ooze> Well shit
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2352 [18:59:34] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2353 [19:00:05] <jelly> Ooze: oh, one thing about advice given in this channel
2354 [19:00:12] <jelly> NO WARRANTY
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2360 [19:00:51] <joepublic> but the humor can help with the pain.
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2362 [19:01:02] <Ooze> Guess what
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2364 [19:01:08] <Ooze> IT'S ALIVE
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2366 [19:01:36] <joepublic> you can still kill it; it's not too late. distrowatch dot something for details.
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2382 [19:07:10] <victorqueiroz> How can I replace packages with other packages (i.e. replace libfreetype6 with my own libfreetype6 completely)?
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2384 [19:07:18] <jelly> Ooze: for further inquiries, /join ##windows
2385 [19:07:31] <ooo-crap> :)
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2387 [19:07:49] <jelly> victorqueiroz: dpkg -i yourfreetype6.deb
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2390 [19:08:31] <jelly> victorqueiroz: there can only be one package with the same name and architecture installed at a time, in Debian
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2393 [19:09:18] <jelly> installing oue removes all contents of the previous, except files flagged "conffile"
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2399 [19:10:05] <jelly> victorqueiroz: a better question is "how do I make upgrades not reinstall the default package since it has a bigger version number"
2400 [19:10:10] <jelly> !hold
2401 [19:10:10] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
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2458 [19:37:08] <n4dir> W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file 'sl_3.03-17.dsc' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)
2459 [19:37:38] <n4dir> i don't understand that message/warning, and searching the web only leads to old bugs about synaptic and such.
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2464 [19:38:54] <greycat> But you're not using synaptic...?
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2466 [19:38:56] <__m4ch1n3__> Permission denied == no premission to file/directory because of user rights. run apt with sudo
2467 [19:39:06] <n4dir> greycat: no. just apt-get source sl.
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2469 [19:39:57] <greycat> I just did an "apt-get source moreutils" in /var/tmp and it worked fine for me.
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2471 [19:40:22] <greycat> You're doing it as yourself, in a directory where you have write permissions?
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2473 [19:40:34] <greycat> (don't do apt-get source as root... there's no need for it)
2474 [19:40:40] <n4dir> oh, i did it as root in roots directory, doing it as user works fine.
2475 [19:40:55] <n4dir> greycat: yup, you just said it. good, case closed. thanks.
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2478 [19:41:25] <greycat> It *is* weird that it would fail as root in /root, though. Sounds like a (minor) bug.
2479 [19:41:44] <__m4ch1n3__> user _apt seems not to belong to a group he should. if you installed the stuff first that set up _apt user then you have to close all sessions you are loged in first then group changes will take effect
2480 [19:41:47] <n4dir> greycat: it didn't fail, it downloads the files, it only seems to warn. as far i can see.
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2482 [19:42:21] <__m4ch1n3__> logout and login again or reboot and try again
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2485 [19:43:14] <n4dir> sl-3.03 sl_3.03-17.debian.tar.gz sl_3.03-17.dsc sl_3.03.orig.tar.gz
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2487 [19:43:40] <n4dir> been a while, but iirc those are the files which i expect to be downloaded. The message seems to only be a warning
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2489 [19:44:01] <__m4ch1n3__> or the directory or a subdirectory you try to extract partial not belogs to your user
2490 [19:44:23] <n4dir> __m4ch1n3__: < greycat> (don't do apt-get source as root... there's no need for it)
2491 [19:44:32] <n4dir> that was the problem.
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2493 [19:45:13] <__m4ch1n3__> yeah he is right missed that first that it was about apt-get source, "chown -R youruser:youruser /path/to/dir /of/extration"
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2496 [19:45:37] <greycat> (*don't* chown /root to anything other than root)
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2500 [19:46:21] <__m4ch1n3__> oh it fails in root as root
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2502 [19:47:06] <n4dir> well, i simply ran apt-get source as a user, as advised, and that doesn't give the warning. Wouldn't have thought that would be the problem, but obviously it was.
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2542 [20:04:29] <botsec0> #offsec
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2557 [20:11:50] <jhutchins_wk> Anybody know of some kind of automated email archver (server, not client).
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2565 [20:15:33] <nkuttler> hrm, i had something, but apparently i haven't archived anything since 2009...
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2568 [20:16:35] <nkuttler> jhutchins_wk: i think it was archivemail, but considering hd prices today i should probably just decompress those archives..
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2570 [20:17:43] <nkuttler> my entire archive is < 1G..
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2656 [20:57:59] <lilith93> hi, I wanted to format a USB stick with gparted as ext4 to make some backups, but I can't create folders on it
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2659 [20:59:29] <TRPM8> as a user?
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2662 [20:59:49] <lilith93> I have to type in the su password when opening gparted
2663 [21:00:09] <diogenes_> lilith93, try gnome-disks
2664 [21:00:13] <diogenes_> no passwd
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2668 [21:01:12] <lilith93> ah
2669 [21:01:15] <lilith93> thanks!
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2673 [21:01:26] <lilith93> I have it installed.... I think I ran into that problem once
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2680 [21:03:27] <TRPM8> there is no problem. the usb stick is not mounted with user priviledges. you need to createthe folders with root priviledges
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2688 [21:06:34] <lilith93> TRPM8: Ah... maybe just one folder and I could create subfolders as a normal user?
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2691 [21:07:55] <TRPM8> lilith93: create folder, chown to your user and then create subfolders as user
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2693 [21:09:30] <jhutchins_wk> lilith93: You can fix that by creating an fstab entry for either the device or the UUID.
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2696 [21:10:43] <lilith93> thanks guys! will look into it... with gnome-disks it seems to work..
2697 [21:11:36] <lilith93> it's just a 64gb stick where I want to backup my home
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2820 [22:10:07] <noahmg123> I have a Bluetooth headset that, in weirdly specific circumstances, sends alternating keycodes when the Play/Pause button is pressed. Only one of these keycodes works. Is there a way I can remap the second keycode to perform the same action?
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2828 [22:13:14] <somiaj> noahmg123: if you are in xorg, you could check out xev and see what actual key code name it sends, and just repind things to function on the other key code?
2829 [22:13:35] <somiaj> There are ways to remap key codes, but I would first look to see if you can just bind the action you want to the right key code.
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2831 [22:13:47] <noahmg123> somiaj: xev doesn't display the keycode, but showkey does
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2833 [22:14:17] <noahmg123> Interestingly there's actually arguably three keycodes involved here, but, at best I only need to remap one.
2834 [22:15:21] <noahmg123> Ok so here's the thing. My headset sends keycodes 200 and 201 alternating.
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2837 [22:16:00] <noahmg123> 201, I've found, is the keycode for "media pause" while 200 is the keycode for "media play"
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2840 [22:16:40] <noahmg123> Only keycode 200 works as I need it to, leaving me to have to press the play/pause button twice to get the desired effect.
2841 [22:17:23] <noahmg123> Also, if I press the play/pause button on my keyboard, I get keycode 164, but it appears to function just as keycode 200 does.
2842 [22:17:28] <annadane> can i use make with a destination directory /usr/local/foo if foo doesn't already exist or do i have to mkdir it first?
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2845 [22:18:02] <noahmg123> annadane: are you creating a script?
2846 [22:18:18] <annadane> no, just getting stuff off github
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2848 [22:18:45] <noahmg123> annadane: I'm confused as to the context of your question then.
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2850 [22:18:56] <noahmg123> annadane: wait, I misread it
2851 [22:19:01] <somiaj> noahmg123: hmm, so this means it isn't generating a code the xorg can see, so yea you'll have to dig deeper (maybe you can use xorg.conf to help with this) to assign that keycode a name xorg can use.
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2853 [22:19:50] <somiaj> annadane: make shouldn't require any directories in /usr/local to exist, and 'make install' script should correctly create any directories it needs under PREFIX (which deafults to /usr/local)
2854 [22:20:13] <somiaj> if it does't, it is a bug with the build of the software you can report to the code
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2859 [22:21:10] <noahmg123> somiaj: can it not be done simply off the showkey keycodes?
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2862 [22:21:55] <somiaj> I'm not quite sure on that level, if xorg isn't seeing a key, how to assign the keycode at the console level then pass it to xorg. I would have to just google around and play with things.
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2864 [22:22:44] <noahmg123> somiaj: I did Google it and I was unfortunately unable to find any definitive answers.
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2866 [22:23:11] <somiaj> archwiki usually has good info, maybe start here replaced-url
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2868 [22:24:02] <noahmg123> somiaj: two things. 1. I'm not on Arch. 2. I just realized I was possibly using xev wrong. Just a moment
2869 [22:24:24] <somiaj> but if you know the keycode, you can test things with xmodmap -e "keycode N = foo"
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2871 [22:24:53] <somiaj> well I know you are running debian (or should be if asking questions here), but archwiki has lots of useful info that is independent of distro. Except for the package names, evertyhing on that page should also apply to debian.
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2882 [22:28:36] <somiaj> as for xev, focus the window that is created, then push the button, and read the output it generates. It generates a lot of output, so leave your mouse alone and other keys, so you can isolate the info for the button/event generated by your device. The output should be in a termainl, so run it from a terminal.
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2886 [22:29:50] <noahmg123> somiaj: Yeah I got that. Updated keycodes: 208 and 209
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2889 [22:30:08] <noahmg123> I would like 209 to be interpreted as 208.
2890 [22:30:23] <somiaj> well asign it the same ksym as 208 (as per the arch wiki)
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2892 [22:30:29] <somiaj> keysym
2893 [22:31:33] <noahmg123> somiaj: wait, each keypress log actually includes like a few keycodes
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2895 [22:31:50] <noahmg123> or not
2896 [22:31:53] <noahmg123> nm
2897 [22:31:55] <somiaj> takes a bit to learn to read the xev output
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2901 [22:32:44] <noahmg123> Yeah. There is something mentioning keysym in the output
2902 [22:34:07] <annadane> somiaj, concerning /usr/local, you mean most MAKEFILEs on github will have /usr/local as destination directory? i'm not sure what you mean by a bug in the build of the software
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2906 [22:34:48] <annadane> if random software author x puts a different location as part of the MAKEFILE then that's their fault, not a bug?
2907 [22:34:51] <somiaj> yes, it is standard to set PREFIX as /usr/local and make it configurable via the ./configure script.
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2909 [22:34:58] <somiaj> of course, not all software is written to standard.
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2912 [22:35:08] <annadane> right, that's what i figured you were getting at, just wasn't sure
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2914 [22:35:17] <somiaj> well you could consider it a bug of the software, and report it to the sotware on github.
2915 [22:35:21] <annadane> yes
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2918 [22:35:42] <somiaj> also if using lots of make install software, look at gnu stow or check-install
2919 [22:35:45] <somiaj> !stow
2920 [22:35:46] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. replaced-url
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2924 [22:36:45] <annadane> yeah i'll probably just stick to stow.
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2928 [22:37:04] <noahmg123> somiaj: where in the wiki does it mention about applying keysym? I see it mentions it a few times, but idk what specifically I would do.
2929 [22:37:14] <noahmg123> Is it safe to update /usr/include/X11/XF86keysym.h directly?
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2931 [22:38:19] <somiaj> any updates will be overwritten the next time the package that owns that file is upgraded.
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2933 [22:38:48] <somiaj> you could do xmodmape -e "foo" as mentioned there to test that, then add that to your ~/.xsession or the xsession yo uuse to start your de/wm
2934 [22:39:12] <noahmg123> somiaj: to be expected. but like, what should be the foo?
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2937 [22:39:31] <somiaj> whatever the wiki says.
2938 [22:39:40] <somiaj> keycode blah = blah
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2942 [22:40:40] <somiaj> though I would have to play around with it, I really don't know this stuff, would have to read the docs.
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2957 [22:47:17] <noahmg123> somiaj: I got it to work! Thank you.
2958 [22:47:27] <noahmg123> I used the guide here
2959 [22:47:28] <noahmg123> replaced-url
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3141 [23:32:17] <zmeu> Hello - How I can fix this issue: [726040.876560] nf_conntrack: nf_conntrack: table full, dropping packet ; when I receive SYN DDoS?
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3164 [23:36:29] <Kurogane> I need to know is possible to undone at action with fdisk, i accidently i delete partition in wrong disk when i do w say this "Re-reading the partition table failed.: Device or resource busy. The kernel still uses the old table. The new table will be used at the next reboot" Current the system is working i not reboot there is a possible to fail? or when i reboot i lost everthing? any advice
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3168 [23:37:54] <zmeu> Anyone?
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3176 [23:39:55] <Brigo> !anyone
3177 [23:39:55] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
3178 [23:40:08] <Brigo> Kurogane, try testidisk
3179 [23:40:32] <Brigo> Kurogane, testdisk, i meant
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3188 [23:43:13] <phogg> Brigo: to be fair he did ask a real question first
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3190 [23:43:45] <Brigo> phogg, zmeu sorry, then :)
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3192 [23:43:51] <Brigo> didn't see it
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3194 [23:44:50] <Brigo> zmeu, replaced-url
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3196 [23:46:11] <zmeu> Brigo: that doesn’t help
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3198 [23:46:15] <zmeu> I already tried
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3202 [23:47:05] <Brigo> zmeu, what did yuo tried?
3203 [23:47:30] <phogg> Brigo: he bumped those settings way up; he has a pastebin in networking: ##replaced-url
3204 [23:47:44] <blackflow> zmeu: usually if you're in an overwhelming DDoS-like situation, there's nothingmuch you can do on the target machine, you'd need some proper scrubbing facilities, firewalls, bigger pipe, cf-like service, ...
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