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• 3[00:00:39] <shtrb|laptop> idlemind, you mean to download the packages files and parse it ?
• 4[00:00:48] <idlemind> shtrb|laptop yes
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• 7[00:01:14] <idlemind> essentially what is apt doing ... the link isn't anything directly that i can browse
• 8[00:01:27] <idlemind> so apt must be doing something ... /Packages doesn't load (perm denied)
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• 11[00:01:34] <idlemind> not sure how apt "discovers" what packages are in the repo
• 12[00:01:44] <joepublic> from the release file?
• 13[00:02:17] <idlemind> with it be just /release at the end of that URL?
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• 15[00:02:43] <idlemind> taht doesn't seem to do anything
• 16[00:03:03] <joepublic> an example from 2 seconds of looking at ftp.debian.org would be replaced-url
• 17[00:03:18] <shtrb|laptop> idlemind, you download either the "contents-*" file or you can use release
• 18[00:03:28] <idlemind> what is contents-*
• 19[00:03:40] <shtrb|laptop> it list package name
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• 21[00:03:52] <shtrb|laptop> example : Contents-amd64.gz
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• 25[00:04:26] <shtrb|laptop> for example dists/Debian9.6/main/Contents-amd64.gz
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• 27[00:05:28] <shtrb|laptop> *it list **binaries** and the package name
• 28[00:05:39] <idlemind> thx so given the URL above w/"main main"
• 29[00:05:51] <idlemind> what's the way I'd construct that URL? it's meant for an ubuntu system
• 30[00:06:27] <shtrb|laptop> or you can get the Packages.xz file (for each section) that will list description
• 31[00:06:38] <shtrb|laptop> !ubuntu
• 32[00:06:38] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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• 34[00:06:58] <idlemind> Ya I came up dry in #debian when I asked so I was hoping someone here would have a better handle on APT
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• 36[00:07:15] <meinheld> hey there, anybody know anything about libinput? does it have glitchy trackpad responsiveness?
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• 40[00:07:22] <meinheld> or is it just me system?
• 41[00:07:23] <idlemind> The purpose is so i can watch the repository for new versions and semi-intelligently (more so than alien) rebuild it into an RPM
• 42[00:07:40] <shtrb|laptop> for example you could get for *main* amd64 dists/Debian9.6/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
• 43[00:07:41] <joepublic> your first question's answer is "yes, someone knows about libinput
• 44[00:07:48] <themill> idlemind: curl replaced-url
• 45[00:07:49] <joepublic> otherwise how would it exist?
• 46[00:08:08] <idlemind> thank you themill and shtrb
• 47[00:08:28] <idlemind> where is a good source of docs for something like this by the way ... i was google-fu'ing for a while and coming up empty
• 48[00:08:46] <idlemind> any kind of procedural breakdown of apt doc?
• 49[00:08:46] <themill> replaced-url
• 50[00:09:05] <idlemind> thank you again
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• 55[00:10:57] <shtrb|laptop> meinheld, some trackpads need kernel settings (i8412 I'm looking at you)
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• 58[00:13:38] <meinheld> i have intel's touchpoint thingywhatev
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• 60[00:13:54] <meinheld> sorry dualpoint
• 61[00:13:56] <meinheld> ALPS
• 62[00:14:08] <meinheld> PS/2 ,===haha
• 63[00:14:10] <shtrb|laptop> google "Linux Intel thingywhatev" , it may have some input
• 64[00:14:14] <meinheld> meant an arrow
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• 66[00:14:27] <meinheld> thank you shtrb|laptop i will get right on that
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• 68[00:15:46] <adeel> i've got a stage4 backup of an old debian system i'm trying to restore and grub keeps erroring out with 'unknown filesystem'...i've tried uninstalling grub2 and re-installing it yet the error persists. the FS in question is a standard ext4...how in the hell do i fix this?
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• 71[00:16:54] <adeel> for what its worth, i've been a linux admin for over 15 years (mainly gentoo and centos), so i've tried the obvious basic stuff, but at a loss for why grub is failing to install/detect
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• 74[00:18:35] <annadane> not that i'm anywhere on your level but how old is old?
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• 76[00:18:42] <annadane> debian 6? 7?
• 77[00:18:43] <ChmEarl> adeel, mkfs.ext4 -O^64bit <device>
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• 80[00:19:13] <adeel> annadane: 7.8
• 81[00:19:22] <n4dir> and what means "restore" ?
• 82[00:19:47] <n4dir> which tools/apps are involved, from where to where, etc.
• 83[00:19:50] <adeel> n4dir: stage4 backup...essentially a tarball of all the files on the os, minus the partition table/etc
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• 86[00:21:03] <adeel> ChmEarl: so i've got to format the FS without the 64bit flag?
• 87[00:21:05] <n4dir> if i move distros around with rsync, what needs to be done is: reinstall grub to (old) mbr, vi grub-install /dev/sda; edit /etc/fstab, a little bit more
• 88[00:21:22] <n4dir> vi-> via
• 89[00:21:23] <adeel> n4dir: yeah, i've done this a million times...just never had to deal with debian's version of grub
• 90[00:21:47] <adeel> this should be a really simple process, but it appears that debian is expecting something very specific, which isn't very well documneted
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• 92[00:22:02] <joepublic> grub itself is pretty thoroughly documented.
• 93[00:22:02] <yokowka> heavennO, everysoul!! help. amd graphic card and intel card both works bad, how to fix?? debian stretch, gnome, dell 3537
• 94[00:22:21] <adeel> joepublic: yeah it is....except for this one error that i've never seen in 20 years
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• 96[00:22:34] <adeel> joepublic: which also only appears to happen specifically in debian
• 97[00:23:09] <adeel> joepublic: found a debian bug report that is almost identical to my current problem, replaced-url
• 98[00:23:10] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 99[00:23:48] <joepublic> I just wonder if a custom grub entry with root '(hd0,0)' ; linux so-and-so-file root=/dev/sda1 ; initrd so and so file ; boot might help
• 100[00:24:11] <adeel> joepublic: grub isn't even installing...this has NOTHING to do with the grub.conf file
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• 103[00:24:53] <joepublic> oh. grub-install /dev/sda fails. yeah that not happy
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• 107[00:26:10] <somiaj> are you using grub-pc (legacy mbr boot) or grub-efi (uefi boot)?
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• 109[00:26:26] <somiaj> also are you booted in legacy or efi mode.
• 110[00:26:28] <somiaj> !fixmbr
• 111[00:26:28] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
• 112[00:26:49] <adeel> somiaj: yeah i went through that
• 113[00:26:55] <adeel> still fails
• 114[00:27:02] <adeel> and legacy
• 115[00:27:16] <somiaj> make sure you are booted correctly, if using legacy boot, and GTP partition table, you need to ensure you have an MBR compadability partition.
• 116[00:27:26] <somiaj> GPT partition table
• 117[00:27:39] <somiaj> also if using uefi boot, ensure you have the efi partition correclty labeled
• 118[00:28:03] <meinheld> jokes aside thank you shtrb|laptop
• 119[00:28:05] <adeel> somiaj: thanks for the suggestions...already done all that
• 120[00:28:15] <meinheld> i'm looking but haven't found anything yet
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• 131[00:31:37] <adeel> btw, ChmEarl's suggestion was the answer
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• 133[00:31:55] <adeel> formatting the root fs with the -O ^64bit option fixed the grub-install failure
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• 135[00:32:03] <joepublic> awesome.
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• 137[00:32:18] <adeel> not going to lie, this is definitely one of the dumber problems i've had to resolve
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• 161[00:42:12] <agio> hi, its it possible to print systemd's boot messages? the ones printed into tty1 ? with [ OK ] etc?
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• 165[00:43:02] <somiaj> you can see what things failed, or not, but you wn't see the same output as that
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• 167[00:43:18] <yokowka> help to hybrid_graphics??
• 168[00:43:54] <somiaj> agio: systemctl list-units or systemctl list-untis --state=failed
• 169[00:44:01] <somiaj> that should list all units, or only the ones that failed
• 170[00:44:11] <somiaj> yokowka: is this intel/nvidia mix?
• 171[00:44:16] <somiaj> !bumblebee
• 172[00:44:16] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. replaced-url
• 173[00:44:24] <somiaj> that may help point you at some things to look at.
• 174[00:44:36] <yokowka> somiaj, intel/amd mix
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• 177[00:45:10] <agio> somiaj: it doesn't give the order that the units were started, or the units which were called - but not installed - would it?
• 178[00:45:27] <agio> thats really handy
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• 201[00:51:32] <somiaj> agio: replaced-url
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• 203[00:52:34] <SerajewelKS> "systemctl status" should do the trick, no?
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• 205[00:52:47] <somiaj> that won't list the actual depdency order though
• 206[00:53:39] <somiaj> but it does list some things. Unsure why the order is that important. The [ OK ] is more sysv which wasn't parallel, with systemd often times things are actually going in parallel
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• 209[00:53:59] <agio> somiaj: systemd-analyze is interesting, but I take it the answer is "no, there is no way to see the original systemd boot messages" ?
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• 211[00:54:39] <agio> SerajewelKS: won't that only show the currently running processes? not what actually occurred at boot
• 212[00:54:41] <agio> ?
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• 221[00:59:19] <seemethere> is there any reason why debian buster's /etc/os-release doesn't contain a VERSION_ID?
• 222[00:59:35] <somiaj> agio: for the most part, because that is emulating sysv init. IMO there is much better info to look at if you are debugging unit files.
• 223[00:59:53] <somiaj> also note, only some processes do the [ OK ] at start, not all will do that, and sytemctl will list all things that actually happen.
• 224[01:00:18] <somiaj> seemethere: because buster hasn't actually been released yet
• 225[01:00:33] <somiaj> seemethere: that is usually added during the freeze as the release becomes close.
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• 227[01:00:53] <somiaj> (there is no debian 10, and won't be until buster is actually released)
• 228[01:01:08] <yokowka> how to make console command turn off the power of computer from three hours, or in correct time??
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• 232[01:01:36] <seemethere> gotcha, currently trying to script some things up and it's making it a bit difficult since other distributions test builds do have that field
• 233[01:01:36] <somiaj> yokowka: shutdown can be used to schedule a shutdown at any time you want, either give it a timer, or a time you want it to shutdown.
• 234[01:01:39] <seemethere> thanks somiaj!
• 235[01:01:39] <somiaj> yokowka: man shutdown
• 236[01:02:00] <somiaj> seemethere: note buster and sid packages are the same, so that field would also be in sid.
• 237[01:02:23] <hypn0> yokowka: if the power is off, how can turn it on again
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• 239[01:02:41] <seemethere> well I guess I'm talking more about fedora / ubuntu, but I guess the reasoning behind not having it does make sense
• 240[01:03:12] <hypn0> in 3 hours :-)
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• 242[01:03:44] <somiaj> they also use different development methods. Packages have to go into sid then move into buster, so that is why the greeting stays testing/unstable
• 243[01:04:13] <somiaj> hypn0: there are various ways, you can turn machines on via a network if the hardware supports it.
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• 253[01:06:14] <yokowka> somiaj, hypn0 - thank you towareeshchi
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• 267[01:09:35] <yokowka> # shutdown -h 2h Failed to parse time specification: 2h what is wrong??
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• 274[01:12:56] <cjbayliss> according to the manpage for shutdown, -h is "Equivalent to --poweroff, unless --halt is specified."
• 275[01:12:58] <agio> somiaj: yeah, checking out this `systemd-analyze plot > analyze.svg' it seems really good for showing boot dependency order
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• 278[01:13:43] <agio> cjbayliss: thats what I use to poweroff, sudo shutdown -h now
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• 280[01:14:18] <cjbayliss> agio: yeah, I was responding to yokowka, but it seems they left 🤷
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• 284[01:15:47] <cjbayliss> anyways to do what they wanted I think this is it: shutdown -h +2h
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• 301[01:25:48] <kirillkh> hi. I configured a network interface to be bridged and installed a FreeBSD guest on KVM that uses the bridged interface. the guest uses another network interface to connect to WAN. a weird problem: from my Debian console I can connect to the guest via the bridge, but I cannot connect to the outer world. but other hosts on my network can connect to the outer world through that same bridged interface, only Debian can't!
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• 323[01:36:13] <idlemind> kirillkh you're not making a ton of sense. is kvm the hypervisor to freebsd? the end of your message makes it sound like debian is the guest.
• 324[01:36:59] <kirillkh> idlemind: Debian is the host, KVM is the hypervisor, freebsd is the guest
• 325[01:37:27] <idlemind> kirillkh so the freebsd is unable to communicate beyond the local bridge with the other guests
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• 328[01:38:10] <kirillkh> idlemind: freebsd has two NICs: one bridged with the host, another PCI passthrough. the second one is used to connect the whole network to WAN through freebsd
• 329[01:38:33] <kirillkh> idlemind: Debian is unable to communicate to WAN when going through the bridged NIC
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• 331[01:39:15] <idlemind> is the default route set on debian the ip of the freebsd machine and all of the config for the passthrough nic removed?
• 332[01:39:17] <kirillkh> idlemind: every other host on LAN (not virtualized) is able to communicate with WAN when going through the guest's ip on the bridged NIC
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• 338[01:40:54] <kirillkh> idlemind: route output: replaced-url
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• 340[01:41:19] <kirillkh> idlemind: the passthrough nic is not present in /etc/network/interfaces
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• 342[01:41:44] <kirillkh> idlemind: the Debian host is able to ssh into the guest
• 343[01:41:56] <idlemind> on the debian do "ip route" if debian has that
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• 349[01:43:05] <kirillkh> replaced-url
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• 353[01:44:03] <idlemind> that'd seem to indicate a working default route. is dns valid? does traceroute show you egressing towards 192.168.1.3
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• 359[01:45:29] <kirillkh> you mean the resolv.conf? it points to 192.168.1.3 (that's the only nameserver that works, others are unreachable). what traceroute should I run?
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• 373[01:49:34] <kirillkh> idlemind: traceroute 192.168.1.3 just hangs without showing any hops (all * * * lines). ping 192.168.1.3 works. ping 8.8.8.8 works.
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• 376[01:50:16] <torbo> Trying to install gcc-5 on debian stretch. Added unstable to sources.list, and called apt-get update. gcc-5 still package not found. Any idea how to install gcc-5?
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• 378[01:51:29] <torbo> *gcc-5 package still not found
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• 381[01:53:32] <kirillkh> idlemind: here's an issue that sounds similar to mine. the guy concluded that it was impossible though
• 382[01:53:34] <kirillkh> replaced-url
• 383[01:53:37] <torbo> nm, got it. Sorry about the noise.
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• 387[01:55:10] <velix> Anyone with an idea, why my network instantly dies after restarting networking? bridge-tools has been installed: replaced-url
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• 393[01:56:50] <velix> s/bridge-tools/bridge-utils
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• 433[02:19:58] <kirillkh_> idlemind: fixed by disabling checksome offloading
• 434[02:20:05] <kirillkh_> *checksum
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• 537[03:33:57] <awal1> in fact, "wash -i my-interface" shows devices with wps enabled/activated or devices with wps support?
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• 554[03:47:22] <karlpinc> velix: At a casual glance it looks like when you bring your bridge up you send all network traffic to the masquerade part of your iptables rules, probably causing an infinite loop of network traffic. I could be wrong.
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• 556[03:47:48] <velix> karlpinc: we've discussed this in ##networking. tl;dr hotplug was the problem.
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• 562[03:52:01] <blackest_> good morning is anyone awake ?
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• 564[03:52:28] <jaev> yeah
• 565[03:53:22] <blackest_> first time on irc in a long long time , it was probably on an amiga
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• 568[03:54:26] <joepublic> typically at any given time, a large percentage of the world is awake.
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• 571[03:54:53] <annadane> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
• 572[03:55:07] <dvs> WAKE UP!
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• 574[03:55:52] <joepublic> also typically at any given time, about 0% - 1% of this channel is active.
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• 577[03:56:49] <blackest_> whats a good irc client these days ?
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• 579[03:57:13] <joepublic> I don't know. I use hexchat, but my irc use isn't that demanding (haven
• 580[03:57:26] <joepublic> 't found much in the way of goo ddocumentation for scripting it)
• 581[03:57:40] <blackest_> got to better than kahlids mirc
• 582[03:57:46] <c|oneman> AdiIRC
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• 585[03:58:32] <annadane> people basically either use hexchat or irssi or weechat
• 586[03:59:00] <jaev> I just discovered irssi, nice for the terminal
• 587[03:59:09] <joepublic> In the distant past I wrote some pretty complex bots for mirc
• 588[03:59:29] <watchcat> yep. and there aren't any really good ones on android at all.
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• 590[04:01:15] <blackest_> had a drinks bot years ago i think back then i was on dialup with a 14,400 modem
• 591[04:02:03] <blackest_> used to use amirc
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• 602[04:07:54] <[E]sc> i did something and now i've lost X server after installing nvidia-xconfig and using that to create an Xorg.conf file. i tried removing and reinstalling the nvidia drivers but that's not working, and i've already deleted the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file but then xserver just crashes. how can i fix this so i have my desktop environment again?
• 603[04:08:02] <annadane> actually it's relatively rare i hear of someone using weechat
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• 606[04:09:00] <FreEm1nD> maybe create your xorg.conf again with nvidia-xconfig and edit where it says nvidia to vesa, then it will not crash
• 607[04:09:17] <FreEm1nD> you probably blacklisted nouveau
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• 610[04:09:44] <[E]sc> FreEm1nD, thanks. i've already blacklisted nouveau. i'll try editing with the vesa update.
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• 612[04:10:20] <FreEm1nD> if you blacklisted nouveau and nvidia driver doesn't work I think it will be better to use nouveau
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• 614[04:10:44] <FreEm1nD> sometimes with old nvidia cards you need older kernels and legacy drivers
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• 616[04:11:04] <jaev> what's your card?
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• 621[04:12:01] <[E]sc> nvidia geforce mx150 on an Asus UX331U laptop it's from 2017-2018, would that be considered old?
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• 624[04:12:48] <[E]sc> FreEm1nD, i made the adjustments and it still says fatal server error, no screens found.
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• 626[04:13:06] <jaev> no, thats not old at all
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• 629[04:14:16] <FreEm1nD> strange, sorry but I don't know how to solve this error
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• 632[04:15:02] <[E]sc> the log says Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section?
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• 637[04:17:12] <FreEm1nD> I've searched and it seems you can revert to nouveau working removing your xorg.conf, purging nvidia (sudo apt-get purge nvidia-*), don't forget to undo your nouveau blacklist
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• 642[04:19:12] <[E]sc> FreEm1nD, I previously had nouveau but that was causing it to now boot up the desktop environment after logging in . i had nvidia installed which was working until I tried fiddling with the nvidia-settings, and that said I needed to have nvidia-xconfig in order to use it, and then BAM in this situation now.
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• 723[05:00:41] <kion> How can I have a small bash script run every time the computer is turned on or connected to the internet?
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• 729[05:02:23] <purplepod> kion, sure, call it from /etc/rc.local
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• 731[05:03:22] <purplepod> it'll run each time you start the PC
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• 738[05:05:34] <kion> purplepod, so if /etc/rc.local does not exist all I need to do is create the directory and place my script in there?
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• 741[05:05:54] <kion> what about permissions and ownership of /etc/rc.local?
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• 744[05:06:28] <jelly> !rc.local
• 745[05:06:29] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd>
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• 749[05:10:08] <jelly> kion, it should be a single executable file, not a dir. A #!/bin/sh script of its own typically.
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• 789[05:30:44] <awal1> why swap isn't freed after returning to normal use of ram?
• 790[05:31:29] <awal1> i understand it takes a bit of time but for me it never returns to normal ram usage if i don't do swapoff -a
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• 800[05:39:55] <awal1> looks like not "never"; it just take so long. almost 5 minutes for free 60 mo...
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• 802[05:41:20] <agio> the kernel probably runs swap cleanup as a lower priority process, so you still get good performance for your user interactions
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• 805[05:42:39] <awal1> hm
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• 807[05:43:45] <agio> did you get matchbox DE working in the end?
• 808[05:44:04] <awal1> if that is the case, the priority is so tooooo low
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• 810[05:44:12] <awal1> matchbox?
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• 812[05:45:13] <agio> I thought it was you who were setting it up in chroot on android?
• 813[05:45:23] <awal1> no :D
• 814[05:45:52] <agio> lol, oh ok
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• 816[05:46:31] <awal1> i tried matchbox years ago i haven't been able to run it
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• 819[05:47:47] <awal1> looks like it is for manage store boxes?
• 820[05:48:45] <awal1> dpkg: matchbox
• 821[05:48:45] <dpkg> well, matchbox is a open-source base environment for the X Window System running on non-desktop embedded platforms. replaced-url
• 822[05:49:26] <agio> its a micro DE I guess you could say
• 823[05:49:28] <awal1> dpkg you are a nice bot :P
• 824[05:49:29] <dpkg> I resemble that remark!
• 825[05:49:57] <awal1> i thought it is for X
• 826[05:50:08] <awal1> (years ago)
• 827[05:51:12] <agio> yeah it is
• 828[05:52:12] <agio> you need to mount the screens device file into the containers /dev/ subtree so the Xserver can see it, or something
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• 831[05:54:07] <awal1> ok
• 832[05:55:06] <awal1> i dont need it now. after trying all the wm available in debian, i ended with openbox, sometimes i also run fvwm
• 833[05:56:09] <agio> its not really for full sized computers
• 834[05:56:16] <agio> dpkg: matchbox
• 835[05:56:16] <dpkg> matchbox is probably a open-source base environment for the X Window System running on non-desktop embedded platforms. replaced-url
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• 876[06:13:09] <WoC> How was it you blacklist packages again ? I need to blacklist libx265-165
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• 906[06:34:23] <kion> just like a script that I want to run on startup with /etc/rc.local is there an equivalent for running a script right before shutdown?
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• 971[07:23:12] <nuxil> mornings
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• 981[07:26:29] <nuxil> how do i cleanup stuff in the systemd list? when i run systemd -a iee a bunch of "not-found" stuff
• 982[07:26:41] <nuxil> *i see
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• 984[07:29:30] <nuxil> example: "winbind.service not-found inactive dead winbind.service" not sure if this is some samba thiny or some leftover stuff after i removed wine for the system
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• 994[07:36:21] <nuxil> hmm..
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• 1052[08:09:54] <c|oneman> you know, I've never used linux as a daily driver for anything. I should give it a try again so I can complain better
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• 1054[08:10:17] <c|oneman> it's my primary motivation for trying new things, so I can complain about them to people intelligently
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• 1079[08:26:23] <nuxil> c|oneman, lol.. well get ready to do a PhD research project. there is so much to complain about in the linux world. i myself like to complain about how DE's suck and lack of usefull apps :p
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• 1082[08:28:02] <c|oneman> I don't have to try very hard, it starts with basic stuff like not having an easy to use screen resolution changer in some cases
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• 1084[08:28:21] <c|oneman> my favorite one is when it says "command not found" then it finds the command when you sudo
• 1085[08:28:31] <c|oneman> bruh its not command not found, its insufficient priviledges
• 1086[08:28:37] <nuxil> thats "security"
• 1087[08:29:02] <esainane> That likely just means you don't have some sbin folder in PATH
• 1088[08:29:03] <nuxil> not letting "unknown" user know about the existant of the command.
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• 1091[08:30:12] <c|oneman> this is one those times where I don't care what the reason is. I bother to memorize some cryptic command that changes every 5 years like "ipconfig" or "ifconfig" or "ip" or whatever the hell it is , and then you tell me it doesn't exist, and then suddenly it exists. NO.
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• 1094[08:31:06] <c|oneman> The thing is, I can almost always figure anythign I need todo out. It just takes me 15 minutes to set my DNS resolver or a manual IP assignment every time.
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• 1096[08:31:24] <c|oneman> and its always a very unsatisfying reason why it didnt work the first time
• 1097[08:32:01] <c|oneman> Windows has ncpa.cpl. THat hasnt changed since win2k
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• 1100[08:33:02] <nuxil> use root as your daily account then :p
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• 1103[08:35:04] <c|oneman> well, I use sudo -s before I do anything
• 1104[08:35:07] <c|oneman> all the time
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• 1107[08:35:38] <c|oneman> you know how great I felt when I learned about -s
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• 1109[08:35:42] <c|oneman> root but work in your own home dir
• 1110[08:35:48] <c|oneman> this is what life should be
• 1111[08:35:53] <c|oneman> but it took me 5 years to learn that
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• 1113[08:36:00] <c|oneman> cuz everyone in the community sucks
• 1114[08:36:02] <c|oneman> or sucked,
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• 1117[08:36:09] <c|oneman> rant over. sorry.
• 1118[08:36:35] <nuxil> nothings perfect.
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• 1120[08:37:02] <c|oneman> true, but when the community shows no sign of trying to attain UX improvement, I press eject.
• 1121[08:37:26] <c|oneman> not strictly a linux criticsm.
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• 1140[08:47:30] <nuxil> c|oneman, heh. i basically just divide the community into 3 parts. the 1* inner circle "Kernel dev foks", 2* basic devs (frameworks, distros, applications etc), 3* the users.
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• 1142[08:47:51] <nuxil> the thing is nr2 really suck in many areas.
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• 1145[08:50:02] <nuxil> example.. take DE (Desktop Environments) in linux. hundreds of people divided working on seperate DE's
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• 1147[08:50:29] <nuxil> the release of gnome3 basically created a numbers of forks due to it beening crap.
• 1148[08:50:41] <nuxil> *forks of gnome 2/3
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• 1150[08:51:51] <nuxil> instead of working from together on a common DE for linux we have kde, gnome, mate, and god knows whatnot.
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• 1157[08:54:02] <c|oneman> The moment they copied OSX's top menu bar & dock I pulled out pretty quick too. OSX has some very nice design choices but the menubar (and traffic lights) are the worst by far.
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• 1165[08:57:45] <nuxil> i could not stand gnome3 so i use kde instead.. i tried mate but it was kind of to simplistic. mate i would use on a old pc|laptop or perhaps a raspberry pi.
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• 1167[08:59:18] <nuxil> i really loved the gnome2 series. so when i came back to linux after a couple of years to see how gnome3 was i wanted to cry.
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• 1179[09:08:17] <narutowaifu> why debian maintains debian/copyright files instead of asking upstream to maintain the files themselves?
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• 1181[09:08:45] <devoid_> consistency?
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• 1184[09:09:04] <narutowaifu> it's a well defined standard though, isn't it?
• 1185[09:09:10] <devoid_> no?
• 1186[09:09:23] <narutowaifu> replaced-url
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• 1197[09:10:35] <nuxil> but now im more concerned about. how can i make my linux usefull as a workstation.
• 1198[09:10:35] <nuxil> my requirements are 3d modelling|cad tool that can save stl files.
• 1199[09:10:35] <nuxil> i know of blender. but i tried it and the interface really sucks. :p, gosh how can people even use that thingy. altho i seen it produce good results.
• 1200[09:10:35] <nuxil> im used to working with maxon products buy. thouse are not availeble in linux.
• 1201[09:10:35] <nuxil> wine failed bigtime on it too.
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• 1212[09:15:14] <devoid> lols
• 1213[09:15:20] <narutowaifu> ?
• 1214[09:15:24] <devoid> unfortunate
• 1215[09:15:45] <devoid> @debhlp kick
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• 1221[09:19:02] <jelly> narutowaifu, it would be very nice if upstreams did everything they could to make distros work less. But not all do.
• 1222[09:19:31] <jelly> and distros don't expect them to
• 1223[09:20:05] <narutowaifu> jelly: just out of curiosity is there anybody upstream maintaining these machine-readable license files themselves?
• 1224[09:20:28] <jelly> I have no idea, there probably are some
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• 1307[10:09:18] <wr> will i scramble debian by using ppa to install software on it?
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• 1309[10:09:58] <annadane> yes
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• 1313[10:11:54] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 1364[10:31:38] <narutowaifu> what's debian position wrt non-free stuff like logos, eg. Firefox? Are they all checked manually and removed?
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• 1369[10:34:02] <annadane> in general yes but there shouldn't be an issue with anything firefox, we've gotten past the whole iceweasel debacle
• 1370[10:34:25] <annadane> also, not necessarily removed, that depends on the program
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• 1372[10:34:39] <annadane> more likely it would end up in contrib or non-free
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• 1379[10:37:18] <jelly> narutowaifu: firefox logos are not non-free, they're just trademarked
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• 1384[10:40:29] <narutowaifu> I just used FF as an example btw...
• 1385[10:40:41] <narutowaifu> jelly: is ff logo released with a free license?
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• 1389[10:41:45] <themill> narutowaifu: yes, that's why jelly said it was.
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• 1393[10:43:38] <themill> !dfsg
• 1394[10:43:38] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at replaced-url
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• 1406[10:48:22] <annadane> emacs documentation for example actually is not in debian in the main section, emacs itself is listed as free but the documentation requires adding non-free to sources
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• 1417[10:53:29] <narutowaifu> I'm actually interested in the "assume good faith and remove non-free content if found" vs "check everything at the gate" approach. Does Debian use one or the other, or both?
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• 1420[10:56:11] <themill> both
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• 1458[11:18:56] <n4dir> doing a deboostrap chroot, you get those LC_ALL= missing errors. Is installing locales the proper solution?
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• 1472[11:26:27] <jpw> n4dir: have you tried running `locale-gen`?
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• 1474[11:27:20] <n4dir> jpw: i installed locales, and than solved the issue. I only ask if that is the common/proper solution. wiki.debian doesn't mention it at the debootstrap/chroot sites.
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• 1476[11:27:56] <n4dir> and than -> and that solved the issue. sorry
• 1477[11:28:10] <blackflow> n4dir: yah, the first thing I install in a debootstrap'd chroot, to avoid all the locale error issues
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• 1479[11:28:44] <n4dir> ah, ok. thanks.
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• 1493[11:38:19] <shtrb> If I setup apt-cache-ng but I do not have internet access will apt-get update and apt-get install be able to pool what exists in cache inside (/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/90proxy have Acquire:HTTP { proxy "replaced-url
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• 1495[11:38:55] <shtrb> or package list is taken directly from the mirrors ?
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• 1563[12:18:33] <Unicorns> Hello
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• 1565[12:18:41] <Unicorns> I need some advices
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• 1568[12:18:55] <Unicorns> I need to download the content of my archived web site at archive.org
• 1569[12:19:07] <Unicorns> Is there any tool who can do that for me
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• 1571[12:19:14] <Unicorns> curl, wget, torrent ...
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• 1584[12:27:42] <avu> Unicorns: wget can do such a thing quite well, look at --mirror for a start
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• 1598[12:37:27] <wr> Unicorns, wget or curl does it
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• 1600[12:38:33] <Unicorns> wr, avu I know that
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• 1602[12:38:55] <Unicorns> But I need to be limited to my website only and not the hole archive.org
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• 1610[12:43:03] <avu> UnicornS: sure
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• 1616[12:43:34] <avu> UnicornS: again, no problem with wget, start with --mirror, maybe ditch it for more fine tuned versions of the options it combines
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• 1628[12:48:50] <wr> UnicornS, then you dont know, with curl or wget you can use it and not use entire archive.org
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• 1747[13:51:45] <peanatsu> hi. what is the absolute smallest I can set the virtual console font to?
• 1748[13:52:10] <petn-randall> !tias
• 1749[13:52:10] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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• 1752[13:52:46] <petn-randall> peanatsu: I'm guessing there's a sensible limit at 8-10 pixels. Below that you won't be seeing much.
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• 1759[13:54:36] <peanatsu> well I tried dpgk-reconfigure console-font and I think the smallest I found was 6x6
• 1760[13:54:49] <peanatsu> is it possible there's a font I can install that goes below even that?
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• 1763[13:55:00] <peanatsu> *console-setup
• 1764[13:55:32] <petn-randall> peanatsu: Maybe, but I doubt it'll be readable.
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• 1766[13:55:40] <petn-randall> peanatsu: Anything specific you're trying to do?
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• 1768[13:56:00] <peanatsu> yes, I run a headless machine with a tmux session that I ssh into from another machine B
• 1769[13:56:34] <petn-randall> peanatsu: And how does that relate to the font size?
• 1770[13:56:36] <peanatsu> machine B only "watches". I type on machine A. problem is the virtual consolue limits the tmux window size in the watching machine
• 1771[13:56:58] <peanatsu> stty size is related to font-size, is it now?
• 1772[13:57:07] <petn-randall> Oh, that's a weird setup. Why?
• 1773[13:57:35] <blackflow> peanatsu: yup, you just need one of those bitmapped/pixelart fonts, I think 3 or 4px height is the absolute meaningful minimum
• 1774[13:58:17] * petn-randall wonders how "E" can be presented with only 3 pixels height.
• 1775[13:58:35] <petn-randall> Maybe it's more efficient to use braille at this point? :D
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• 1777[13:59:10] <peanatsu> blackflow: cool, what kind of package names would those fonts have?
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• 1780[14:00:03] <blackflow> replaced-url
• 1781[14:00:34] <blackflow> peanatsu: no idea about package, but you can always install a font file
• 1782[14:01:04] <blackflow> (probably somewhere in ~/ tho)
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• 1789[14:04:20] <peanatsu> ok, I'll try to see if I can set that up.
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• 1791[14:04:26] <peanatsu> thx
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• 1895[14:56:35] <grandfso> Hi there, I have problems connecting to WIFI on my laptop. I am trying to connect to PEAP network with MSCHAPV2 auth, no certificate (skip validation), authentication with domain\username and password.
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• 1900[14:57:28] <grandfso> These settings I pull from my mobile phone, where it works.
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• 1902[14:58:08] <grandfso> When connecting from laptop, with the same settings, it doesn't connect for some time, then asks me for my password again.
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• 1904[14:58:20] <grandfso> I am giving it the correct password, but it doesn't like it.
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• 1906[14:58:33] <grandfso> What is the best method to troubleshoot ?
• 1907[14:58:40] <bites> does this happen to be eduroam?
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• 1909[14:59:16] <grandfso> it's a company network, but not eduroam
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• 1920[15:02:21] <grandfso> I already tried many other combinations of the settings, but non of them worked either.
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• 1924[15:03:42] <bites> if you are using nm, you can check if journalctl -u NetworkManager has something useful to say.
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• 1932[15:06:48] <grandfso> bites: thanks, let me try that
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• 1973[15:34:29] <grandfso> The output from network manager, I didn't find too much on reason -3 here's paste replaced-url
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• 1976[15:34:51] <grandfso> anyone saw this reason at all ?
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• 1979[15:35:49] <petn-randall> grandfso: I think it's a false lead. I'm guessing the issue is missing firmware. What wifi card is this?
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• 1993[15:43:08] <grandfso> petn-randall: I will confirm the card in a moment. Just a note - other wifi networks (with different auth) work fine.
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• 1999[15:46:17] <grandfso> petn-randall: the details of the card replaced-url
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• 2003[15:46:55] <grandfso> well, I'm running a debian based distro (based on debian testing - parrotos). So I hope it's not against the rules here.
• 2004[15:47:22] <grandfso> I see I'm using the parrotos specific driver - you suggest the driver can be the culprit ?
• 2005[15:47:25] <blackflow> it usually is.
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• 2008[15:48:30] <grandfso> makes sense, especially if other networks work fine. I will follow this lead.
• 2009[15:49:00] <blackflow> I meant "based on" distros being offtopic here :)
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• 2011[15:49:16] <grandfso> ... sight
• 2012[15:49:18] <grandfso> ... sigh
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• 2014[15:49:35] <blackflow> we can't possibly know all the inter-package differences and customizations others do
• 2015[15:49:48] <grandfso> of course, I wouldn't expect that you would.
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• 2017[15:50:05] <grandfso> But all the comments were very relevant nonetheless :)
• 2018[15:51:30] <blackflow> any help given in context of a proper debian distro can be totally wrong for a derivative that does stuff differently, and is therefore useless per se.
• 2019[15:52:10] <blackflow> for example, you can ask where is network configured. you'd be told /etc/network/interfaces which is completely wrong for a certain well known derivative.
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• 2026[15:53:10] <blackflow> And then you'd spend two hours frustrating why advice given here doesn't work for your derivative. :) only to learn the NIH-stro in question totally revamped its network config layer. ;)
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• 2029[15:54:10] <grandfso> That is all true. Sorry for offtopic and thanks for the comments. They definitely helped me to narrow down the possible culprits. At least now I have an idea where to look next ;)
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• 2050[16:01:13] <petn-randall> !parrot
• 2051[16:01:13] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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• 2053[16:02:25] <mason> blackflow: ifupdown is still available for Ubuntu
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• 2055[16:02:34] <petn-randall> grandfso: Parrot ^^^ is based on testing, which is in permanent flux, so I chances are it's simply broken at whatever snapshot Parrot took. FYI, I neither recommend Parrot nor Kali as main OS; if you need to do pentesting, run it in a VM. You probably want to reset the VM after analyzing malware, anyway.
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• 2070[16:07:38] <grandfso> petn-randall: I indeed run parrot as my daily driver. So far so good (apart from this wifi issue, and occasional display driver issue). It feels okay though. I have had worse experience with ubuntu in the past.
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• 2074[16:09:04] <grandfso> btw, I just checked, the dpkg definition for parrot is outdated.
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• 2076[16:09:34] <grandfso> The server irc.frozenbox.org is not running anymore.
• 2077[16:09:46] <greycat> What should it be instead?
• 2078[16:09:47] <grandfso> Now it's #parrotsec on irc.freenode.net
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• 2080[16:10:05] <grandfso> according to replaced-url
• 2081[16:10:21] <greycat> dpkg, parrot =~ s|#parrot on irc.frozenbox.org|#parrotsec on Freenode|
• 2082[16:10:22] <dpkg> greycat: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
• 2083[16:10:39] <greycat> dpkg, parrot =~ s,#parrot on irc.frozenbox.org,#parrotsec on Freenode,
• 2084[16:10:39] <dpkg> greycat: that doesn't contain '#parrot on irc.frozenbox.org'
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• 2087[16:10:59] <greycat> *sigh*
• 2088[16:11:09] <greycat> dpkg, parrot os =~ s,#parrot on irc.frozenbox.org,#parrotsec on Freenode,
• 2089[16:11:09] <dpkg> greycat: OK
• 2090[16:11:14] <grandfso> nailed it :)
• 2091[16:11:24] <greycat> "parrot" is a redirect to "parrot os"
• 2092[16:11:30] <petn-randall> :)
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• 2094[16:13:02] <grandfso> and the llink to docs seems to be old as well, new one seems to be located here replaced-url
• 2095[16:13:08] <grandfso> !parrot
• 2096[16:13:09] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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• 2100[16:14:04] <grandfso> that's neat. Irc had bots decades ago, and only now they are getting traction in slack and other apps. Go IRC
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• 2189[16:59:25] <blackflow> mason: yeh, not by default tho'
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• 2191[16:59:43] <mason> blackflow: No. Lovely, high-ceremony JSON by default.
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• 2194[17:00:14] <mason> Reminds me, I need to open a bug with some ideas for that.
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• 2198[17:00:55] <blackflow> mason: It's literally "One config to rule them all, and in YAML bind them"
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• 2200[17:01:12] <mason> Oh, YAML, right. Sorry.
• 2201[17:01:15] <blackflow> andby literally I mean it is designed to be just that, nothing more. a config manager :)
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• 2204[17:01:44] <blackflow> NIHplan that I've taken to calling it.
• 2205[17:01:51] <mason> One day I want to see people embrace SEXP for all configs.
• 2206[17:02:15] <blackflow> speaking of which, and that's offtopic so I'll shutup... what happened to UCL-all-the-configs in FreeBSD?
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• 2209[17:02:45] <mason> blackflow: It works and I can see the point, but it needs a bunch less ceremony. If there's a key that's always there and there's always just one of them, then You Don't Need That Key. Assume it, and in doing to make the config simpler.
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• 2212[17:03:12] <mason> blackflow: Also off-topic! :P
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• 2214[17:03:37] <mason> bbiab in any event
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• 2216[17:04:37] <angry_route> hi! does anyone here has any experiences with using Debian as a router? I've managed to setup the very basics of it, dnsmasq with dhcp and dns and all, but I'm having huge troubles with the iptables, I would love any kind of help if possible, thanks!
• 2217[17:05:10] <mason> angry_route: replaced-url
• 2218[17:05:51] <angry_route> hi mason! that brings me to another question, should I just instead drop everything and try nftables?
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• 2221[17:09:03] <annadane> a router or an ANGRY router?
• 2222[17:09:17] <angry_route> :P it's pretty angry right now
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• 2224[17:10:23] <petn-randall> Apparently it's an angry route ....
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• 2226[17:10:50] <petn-randall> angry_route: iptables or nftables work both fine, but you won't get around understanding the basics to use it.
• 2227[17:11:33] <annadane> though nftables replaces iptables in buster, right? so should just get used to nftables now i guess
• 2228[17:12:31] <petn-randall> I'm fairly sure that iptables will continue to exist for at least 10 more years ....
• 2229[17:12:41] <angry_route> hi! thanks for the reply, I think that's the issue, I'm using an iptables snippet from an article I've found, it's routing my internal network ok (I guess), but there are still some things that I would like to accomplish and specially harden the whole thing
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• 2236[17:13:47] <angry_route> I'm using a plain file, and I'm calling it via a script on /etc/network/if-pre-up.d, even that I don't know if it's best practice :P
• 2237[17:14:22] <angry_route> I've only used UFW on my other machines and know I feel like that didn't help me at all for iptables
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• 2250[17:20:21] <brwoods> quick question, trying to build-dep pidgin but it says "Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: libltdl3-dev" turns out that libltdl3-dev is a virtual pkg for libltdl-dev which I have installed already
• 2251[17:20:25] <brwoods> any ideas?
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• 2253[17:20:43] <brwoods> I have the deb-src repos enabled for all repos I have
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• 2256[17:22:43] <brwoods> oh, looks like it just took a -f
• 2257[17:22:45] <brwoods> nm
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• 2281[17:33:50] <apteryx> hello! Is there a way to git clone this single package: replaced-url
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• 2283[17:34:41] <apteryx> seems its upstream is down: replaced-url
• 2284[17:34:53] <petn-randall> brwoods: Sounds like you're creating a Frankendebian.
• 2285[17:34:56] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
• 2286[17:34:56] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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• 2295[17:39:26] <apteryx> thanks for the warning, but I'm not after a frankendebian; rather, I'm trying to package it for Guix.
• 2296[17:39:38] <jelly> but deb-src does not a frankenanything make
• 2297[17:40:00] <apteryx> so I need to know where and how I can retreive the sources
• 2298[17:40:05] <apteryx> retrieve*
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• 2302[17:41:22] <petn-randall> Oh, *build*-depends. I misread that, sorry.
• 2303[17:41:28] <annadane> i guess possibly for pidgin a chroot would be an option
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• 2314[17:45:33] <annadane> actually no that's a stupid idea
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• 2317[17:45:48] <annadane> i don't know why it would say that for a virtual package, sorry
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• 2320[17:47:05] <annadane> does it maybe need a higher version than what's available in stable?
• 2321[17:47:12] <n4dir> apt-get source sl; gives a Warning about running unsandboxed, as user _apt can't access *dsc file, pkgAquire::Run (Permission denied). Is running it in a chroot the problem?
• 2322[17:47:13] <jelly> petn-randall: they did however say "I have deb-src repos enabled for all [the normal] repos I have" so.
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• 2326[17:47:41] <jelly> ,checkbackport pidgin
• 2327[17:47:57] <judd> Backporting package pidgin in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, virtual.
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• 2332[17:50:08] <akk> Any known changes in the framebuffer in Testing in the last week or two?
• 2333[17:50:36] <akk> I updated yesterday, and today, at the point of boot where it switches to framebuffer, the screen goes black and stays that way.
• 2334[17:50:45] <akk> (lenovo x201, intel graphics)
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• 2336[17:52:37] <annadane> !debian-next
• 2337[17:52:37] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2338[17:52:52] <annadane> akk, ^
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• 2341[17:53:36] <akk> Oh, shoot! I actually typed /join #debian-next and it connected me here instead. I must have made a typo around that hyphen. Sorry!
• 2342[17:53:56] <joepublic> that's not likely cross-network.
• 2343[17:54:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1476
• 2344[17:54:22] <akk> Ah, wrong network too. Jeez, I'm doing great today. Sorry again.
• 2345[17:54:43] <annadane> it's a PITA to have everything on OFTC but there it is
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• 2397[18:13:06] <petn-randall> This is the only Debian channel *not* on OFTC, btw.
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• 2399[18:13:19] <greycat> well, this an #debian-offtopic
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• 2401[18:13:49] <annadane> it's funny because #debian on OFTC gets almost no activity
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• 2404[18:14:26] <Butt3rfly> sometimes it does
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• 2407[18:15:23] <Butt3rfly> I've always found there is someone around over there, even if it seems quiet
• 2408[18:15:28] <akk> #debian-next seems dead too, right now. Maybe a bad timezone.
• 2409[18:16:16] <n4dir> middle of the day in the US, early evening in Europe. doesn't seem like a bad time
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• 2412[18:16:28] <annadane> yeah, that's not typical. sorry. #debian-next generally is fairly active for support questions
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• 2414[18:16:40] <annadane> stick around and someone will answer hopefully
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• 2419[18:17:42] <annadane> #debian is also active when support questions get asked too for that matter, it's just the number of initial questions are lower than on freenode. and #debian-next people probably wouldn't ask too many beginner questions because the user tends to know more if they run testing/unstable
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• 2424[18:19:03] <akk> It's morning in most of the US, and some of the Californians probably aren't up yet.
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• 2428[18:20:14] <akk> Meanwhile I'm burning a new stable installer; I guess I should always keep a stable partition on this machine in case of testing failures like this.
• 2429[18:21:20] <akk> I have an old 32-bit stable there that still runs, but nothing 64-bit.
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• 2455[18:34:56] <jhutchins_wk> akk: That's what I've done when I want to run testing - dual boot to stable. That way, when testing breaks, I can boot to stable, chroot to testing and apply updates.
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• 2457[18:35:13] <jhutchins_wk> akk: Even a GUI install doesn't take that much space.
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• 2467[18:38:02] <akk> jhutchins_wk: I'm trying that, but having partitioner trouble: I set up a partition as ext4 and /, "The attemp to mount a file system with type ext4 ... failed."
• 2468[18:38:53] <akk> The partitioner has an option to write zeroes but not to mkfs, or I can't find that option.
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• 2474[18:39:43] <akk> I set the partition's Use as" to ext4, mount point /.
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• 2476[18:40:16] <jhutchins_wk> akk: I seem to recall that the "format" option is not near the "erase" option on the expert GUI install.
• 2477[18:40:43] <jhutchins_wk> I don't run the installer enough to be really familiar with it. Ought to spin up a VM and practice.
• 2478[18:41:29] <jhutchins_wk> akk: The format option might actually be in the "make changes" window instead of the Write Changes window.
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• 2483[18:43:43] <akk> It doesn't seem to be.
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• 2487[18:45:27] <akk> In the screen for the specific partition, there's "Erase data on this partition" but it just writes zeroes, apparently doesn't create a filesystem.
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• 2490[18:46:20] <n4dir> i think the page where you tell the partitioner to use as filesystem (ext4) and mountpoint ( / ) has an entry at the very bottom to really "do it". no?
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• 2492[18:46:35] <n4dir> you picked "manual" it seems.
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• 2498[18:47:51] <akk> The options there are Undo changes and Finish partitioning and write changes to disk. So i do Finish,
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• 2502[18:49:31] <akk> and the first time it said it couldn't mount sda6; subsequent times, it first puts me through a screen saying "No partition table changes and no creation of file systems have been planned".
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• 2504[18:49:55] <akk> Maybe I should try changing it to ext3 instead of ext4.
• 2505[18:50:17] <jhutchins_wk> akk: I don't think that's it.
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• 2510[18:52:00] <akk> That does seem to be it. Now I get "The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #6 ... as ext3".
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• 2512[18:52:34] <akk> I guess the installer has no way to force a reformat, even after it's written zeroes to a partition
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• 2514[18:52:54] <akk> or maybe it's just broken for ext4 (but you'd think someone would have noticed that ...)
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• 2516[18:53:43] <akk> I'm going to try going back to "detect disks" and see if it'll start the partitioner over, maybe now that it's zeroed that partition it'll let me format it as ext4.
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• 2519[18:54:37] <akk> yep, now it says it'll format as ext4.
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• 2523[18:55:22] <akk> So the problem seems to be if you go in wanting to use a partition with the same filesystem it already has -- that apparently confuses the partitioner.
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• 2557[19:10:08] <watchcat> i've reinstalled debian on / and reformatted ext4 partitions as ext4 many times.
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• 2562[19:11:34] <joepublic> same here.
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• 2565[19:11:56] <joepublic> A wise person once said "akk: I don't think that's it."
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• 2571[19:16:00] <akk> I've done that in the past too, but it didn't work this time.
• 2572[19:16:45] <akk> Seems like in the past I remember a checkbox for 'format this partition", which isn't there now.
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• 2577[19:18:17] <akk> off to a meeting, will have to leave it installing packages.
• 2578[19:18:35] <watchcat> akk: what installation iso are you using? sorry, i came in late.
• 2579[19:18:37] <yokowka> Sofien, is You here??
• 2580[19:19:13] <akk> watchcat: From replaced-url
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• 2582[19:19:21] <akk> (late for meeting, though, gotta go for a while)
• 2583[19:19:46] <watchcat> thanks.
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• 2599[19:26:52] <watchcat> btw, i noticed that mojang now offees a 'minecraft.deb' that's executable and installs minecraft. just a heads up in case it causes support problems.
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• 2690[20:07:37] <zerocool> anyone familiar with ansible? i have a list in hosts, i run a command against them all and always the last host hangs, i have to ctrl+c to get the cli back
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• 2695[20:08:05] <zerocool> it hangs no matter the result, only thing in common is that it hangs on the last host in the list
• 2696[20:08:18] <petn-randall> zerocool: You can add -vvvv
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• 2698[20:08:26] <petn-randall> zerocool: What is the exact command you're running?
• 2699[20:08:30] <joepublic> replaced-url
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• 2701[20:08:35] <zerocool> petn-randall: oi, you are right. i'll try that
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• 2703[20:08:59] <zerocool> petn-randall: any, i just did 'sudo filebeat version' to get all filebeat versions
• 2704[20:09:12] <zerocool> ansible mylist -a 'sudo filebeat version'
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• 2706[20:09:19] <zerocool> basically
• 2707[20:09:39] <petn-randall> zerocool: That gives me a syntax error. Details matter.
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• 2711[20:11:27] <zerocool> you just did ansible -a '' and the command as you would on the remote host?
• 2712[20:11:36] <zerocool> also including your own actual host
• 2713[20:11:39] <zerocool> ?
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• 2719[20:12:54] <zerocool> also i set ssh-agent bash and i'm not sure what that does bit it makes me think i'm running commands in bash on the remote machines. i set that local with 'ssh-agent bash'
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• 2722[20:13:02] <zerocool> but*
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• 2734[20:16:07] <zerocool> the commands themselves are successful it's just not returning the prompt when done with the list... running with -vvvv shows a lot of info but nothing that looks bad, it doesn't show anything after the last host, again hangs.
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• 2736[20:16:24] <zerocool> the command is completing successfully on the last host it's just hanging after
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• 2747[20:22:42] <petn-randall> zerocool: It seems as you're already asking in #ansible. Good luck.
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• 2751[20:23:40] <jhutchins_wk> zerocool: ssh to the last host and run the command manually, see what it's doing.
• 2752[20:23:44] <jhutchins_wk> !ansible
• 2753[20:24:01] <petn-randall> jhutchins_wk: They've already crossposted to #ansible.
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• 2763[20:28:40] <zerocool> it's not the command, they're succeeding, and it doesn't matter what the command is, always last host hangs. im in ansible now asking them. thanks anyways.
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• 2765[20:30:15] <jhutchins_wk> zerocool: That's why I suggest that you try it manually. Perhaps there is something different on that last host. What happens if you re-order the host list?
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• 2782[20:39:21] <zerocool> the last host changes, i've tried with different lists, i think we got it. if i do a simple "echo" it doesn't hang on the last but if i ever get a 'FAILED' it'll "hang" on those. like for instance `systemctl status whatever`, if whatever is not present, will come back 'FAILED' and that ssh connection will stick open
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• 2824[20:59:51] <syrius> hey all: wondering if anyone could lend a quick hand w/ the following. i'm running testing and it's been a while. getting the following when trying to do a general package upgrade. not sure what is best advice to proceed for these graphics packages: replaced-url
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• 2828[21:01:42] <joepublic> !debian-next
• 2829[21:01:43] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2830[21:01:55] <syrius> gotcha, thanks joepublic
• 2831[21:02:02] <petn-randall> syrius: You need to run "apt dist-upgrade". But you should know that if you run testing/sid.
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• 2836[21:03:29] <syrius> petn-randall: thank you for the advice
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• 2872[21:18:17] <robertle> hi folks, has anyone got experience with extending debhelper? I want to write a dh-perl6 to help package maintenance of these modules.
• 2873[21:18:47] <robertle> I managed to auto-create postinst/postrm via insert_after("dh_install", ..., which is already really cool
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• 2875[21:19:15] <robertle> but I cn't figure out how to add logic to dh_auto_test
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• 2904[21:35:31] <jhutchins_wk> robertle: There is probably a more helpful channel over on oftc.net, but I'm not sure which it would be.
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• 2908[21:36:53] <annadane> #debian-mentors for debian packages or #packaging for general packaging issues, i guess
• 2909[21:36:54] <jhutchins_wk> robertle: Ah, probably irc://irc.oftc.net/packaging
• 2910[21:37:06] <robertle> ok, thanks!
• 2911[21:37:30] <jhutchins_wk> replaced-url
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• 2937[21:47:09] <jelly> robertle, at risk of parrotting what someone said already, might as well jump straight to #debian-perl on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org)
• 2938[21:47:44] <jelly> yeah, I said that just for the pun.
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• 2961[21:58:21] <ws2k3> i have a openvpn client i wanne start. i placed it in /etc/openvpn and its run on boot. but is there a way to restart it?
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• 2965[22:02:01] <rocketmagnet> hi all
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• 2968[22:02:29] <rocketmagnet> where does i have to place PATH expansions so that all users have the same PATH ?
• 2969[22:02:36] <rocketmagnet> i'm on debian stble
• 2970[22:02:55] <rocketmagnet> should i place it in /root/.profile ?
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• 2983[22:06:05] <shtrb> /etc/
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• 2986[22:06:43] <shtrb> rocketmagnet, you can use /etc/profile.d/ or /etc/profile
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• 3006[22:16:32] <rocketmagnet> hm... i append something to PATH and added a few other env variable to /etc/environment but PATH stays the same and the other exports are ignored (started a new shell to make changes effect)
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• 3008[22:17:11] <jelly> rocketmagnet, you need to log off and back on for /etc/environment to take effect
• 3009[22:17:18] <greycat> starting a new shell does not read /etc/environment
• 3010[22:17:25] <rocketmagnet> completely logout of X11 ?
• 3011[22:17:41] <greycat> Yes. It's a PAM module config file. It only triggers when a PAM service reads it.
• 3012[22:17:41] <jelly> if that's how you logged on, yes
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• 3014[22:17:53] <rocketmagnet> ah ok, thanks
• 3015[22:17:54] <greycat> One example of a thing that uses PAM is su.
• 3016[22:17:58] <jelly> you can test it out by doing a su - yourself
• 3017[22:18:03] <jelly> oh ssh localhost
• 3018[22:18:10] <jelly> or* ssh localhost
• 3019[22:18:12] <rocketmagnet> thanks, i try it and come back
• 3020[22:18:14] <greycat> yup
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• 3024[22:18:39] <jelly> or possibly even newgrp?
• 3025[22:18:53] <greycat> Who wants to bet he tried to do PATH=$PATH:/blah in /etc/environment and shit's going to break *hard*
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• 3027[22:19:50] <greycat> Actually, I think ... it might not do anything at all. I suspect /etc/profile or the GUI login equivalent will override it.
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• 3029[22:20:04] <shtrb> Which is what I have said few minutes ago ...
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• 3032[22:20:44] <jelly> I now use spaces before and after = in PATH assignment in crontabs to remind me they are not, in fact, shell
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• 3043[22:23:55] <rocketmagnet> hi again
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• 3045[22:24:50] <rocketmagnet> i tried modifing /etc/environment $PATH but then the login-manager don't let me login - he allways jumps back to the login, i had to start in recover mode and remove those lines to make it work again :X
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• 3048[22:25:16] <greycat> Hah!
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• 3050[22:25:32] <jhutchins_wk> robertle: Ctrl-Alt-F1
• 3051[22:25:33] <greycat> rocketmagnet: that was one of my two guesses: either that you would break everything, or that nothing at all would happen.
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• 3053[22:25:45] <jhutchins_wk> er, sorry robertle
• 3054[22:25:51] <greycat> rocketmagnet: did you attempt to use $PATH inside /etc/environment? I.e. did you try PATH=$PATH:/something ?
• 3055[22:25:53] <jhutchins_wk> rocketmagnet: Ctrl-Alt-F1
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• 3058[22:26:23] <rocketmagnet> so i have to modify root/.bashrc and my users .bashrc to export my $PATH and other env variables to make this work ? isn't there a better solution ?
• 3059[22:26:24] <shtrb> why /etc/profile and /etc/profile.d are not even mentioned ?
• 3060[22:26:38] <greycat> rocketmagnet: modifying /root/foo does ZERO for your other users
• 3061[22:26:38] <wr> if im suspicious my debian is bit unstable, how do i check it from scratch without a re-install? its been running for 6years, i don't wanna wipe a drive
• 3062[22:26:45] <shtrb> and ~/.profile for a specific user
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• 3067[22:27:22] <greycat> shtrb: because he seems to be using a GUI login.
• 3068[22:27:33] <greycat> rocketmagnet: 1) what did you DO? 2) what kind of login are you using?
• 3069[22:27:41] <digdilem> wr, what, exactly, is unstable? if one thing, (like a window manager) can you just reinstall that?
• 3070[22:27:43] <rocketmagnet> so i have to export it for every user and the root user to get those env variables ? that seems a bit cumbersome
• 3071[22:27:48] <greycat> rocketmagnet: 1) what did you DO? 2) what kind of login are you using?
• 3072[22:27:50] <shtrb> greycat, how does a gui login change anything ?
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• 3076[22:28:02] <rocketmagnet> greycat: i'm using the mate-login manager
• 3077[22:28:02] <greycat> because they don't read /etc/profile or /etc/profile.d/ or ~/.profile
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• 3079[22:28:21] <greycat> rocketmagnet: what did you put in /etc/environment?
• 3080[22:28:30] <shtrb> greycat, thanks , I thought that MUST be read on each login I guess I was terribally wrong
• 3081[22:28:42] <greycat> shtrb: replaced-url
• 3082[22:28:52] <wr> digdilem, i'm just suspicious, i dont know exactly, doesnt seem ok
• 3083[22:29:02] <greycat> shtrb: also replaced-url
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• 3085[22:29:18] <greycat> and replaced-url
• 3086[22:29:42] <jelly> wr, it's going to be hard to suggest a way forward without specific symptoms
• 3087[22:29:46] <digdilem> wr, um, surely something is making you suspicious? surely the os is stable or unstable?
• 3088[22:29:51] <wr> digdilem, no, i mean more lower level, all i can reinstall i did it
• 3089[22:30:22] <annadane> there's a package which i forget the name of which allows you to verify the checksums on installed packages
• 3090[22:30:31] <wr> digdilem, maybe its just me...
• 3091[22:30:31] <jelly> wr, you can make a separate clean debian installation on a different disk or partition
• 3092[22:30:39] <jelly> annadane, debsums
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• 3094[22:30:53] <annadane> so use that if you doubt the integrity of the system i guess
• 3095[22:31:07] <jelly> it's not exhaustive or mandatory
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• 3110[22:38:36] <kaste> Hey, I am a little confused about the mysql root password and package management
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• 3112[22:38:53] <kaste> how does dbcommon-config authenticate?
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• 3114[22:39:06] <kaste> If I set the root password, will it break?
• 3115[22:39:15] <kaste> answers on the net are a little confusing
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• 3122[22:41:42] <greycat> rocketmagnet: you hushed up, so I will assume several things and monologue at you. I am assuming you did something like PATH=$PATH:/foo in /etc/environment. This will not work. /etc/environment is not parsed by a shell. You cannot put shell syntax in it. Your PATH as a result has the literal string $PATH in it, rather than /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin: and so on. If you use /etc/environment, you cannot
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• 3124[22:41:48] <greycat> ADD. You must SET. Write out the full PATH that you want.
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• 3130[22:43:02] <greycat> rocketmagnet: further, since you are using a GUI login (lightdm possibly? I don't know what mate uses), this does not read any of the shell's dot files. You cannot use /etc/profile or /etc/profile.d/ or even $HOME/.profile as NONE of them are read during login. This is why many of us abhor DMs and just use startx.
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• 3136[22:43:49] <digdilem> kaste, that's a really good question. i hope someone answers it as i'd like to know too
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• 3149[22:48:45] <greycat> rocketmagnet: replaced-url
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• 3220[23:20:32] <hurozh> How do I set nscd to run every time the system starts?
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• 3223[23:21:19] <__m4ch1n3__> /etc/rc.local file would be an option
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• 3230[23:26:15] <jelly> hurozh, it has its own service unit file or init script, it ought to start by default
• 3231[23:26:29] <jelly> if it does not, something else is wrong
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• 3234[23:27:18] <hurozh> jelly: Thanks. I'm just following instructions from replaced-url
• 3235[23:28:56] <jelly> new packages of what
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• 3237[23:30:20] <hurozh> jelly: New packages in general. Guix is a GNU package manager which has lots of stuff that Debian doesn't (like Next Browser and Emacs 26.1).
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• 3239[23:30:40] <jelly> ouch
• 3240[23:31:16] <hurozh> jelly: Why ouch? It makes sense because Debian's focus is on being safe, stable, and well-tested.
• 3241[23:31:49] <jelly> and you're stacking a second package system on top
• 3242[23:31:54] <hurozh> Next, in particular, is pretty experimental. The whole thing is a Common Lisp scripting environment atop Webkit, and CL isn't exactly known for being safe.
• 3243[23:32:20] <hurozh> jelly: Well, yes. I'd install GuixSD, but I can't install a free WiFi card in my T400 Thinkpad.
• 3244[23:33:09] <hurozh> Plus, Guix aims to be a competitor to Flatpak and Snap because it operates on bare tarballs and, being purely functional, can transparently roll back changes after they're made.
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• 3246[23:35:14] <jelly> in any case. Try nscd. If it's unstable for some reason and tuning the service to always restart does not help, you can try unscd
• 3247[23:36:04] <jelly> perhaps glibc people have fixed things since last I'd tried to use it
• 3248[23:37:23] <jelly> T400 is old enough to be able to support coreboot or those crazy BIOS hacks that disable PCI whitelists
• 3249[23:37:38] <jelly> but ##ibmthinkpad is over there ->
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• 3255[23:39:07] <hurozh> jelly: I'm not sure how to check if nscd is already running. I've only been using GNU/Linux for 2 years.
• 3256[23:39:18] <jelly> ps -fe |grep nscd
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• 3259[23:40:09] <hurozh> jelly: Thanks.
• 3260[23:41:13] <jelly> also: strace getent hosts google.com ... if it succeeds at connect() to /var/run/nscd/socket it means something is listening there
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• 3266[23:42:20] <jelly> also: service nscd status
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• 3270[23:43:06] <jelly> depending on whether you're looking for a process running, actual nscd functionality, or service running
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