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22 [00:11:52] <vlt> p3rror: mkfs?
23 [00:11:59] <yokowka> heaveno, for clear souls!!!!
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29 [00:14:32] <yokowka> help. paste.debian.net/1055093 in the system there is no sound, also problems with videodriver.
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51 [00:24:41] <yokowka> help. paste.debian.net/1055093 in the system there is no sound, also problems with videodriver.
52 [00:24:45] <nuxil> oh well. enuf of this wine crap. time to use good old windows again.
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62 [00:30:31] <nuxil> perhaps the sound is on hdmi? are you using a monitor/tv with speakers on the pc?
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84 [00:42:46] <yokowka> nuxil, nope, when connect pc to tv - speakers are tv-set's
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90 [00:44:44] <yokowka> i have notebook computer, and not often conect it to tv, sound is from tv speakers
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92 [00:46:28] <yokowka> i wrote video today, and hear noise on it when alredy done it was. so i try make alsa sound to my device connected, and now there is no sound.....
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97 [00:47:53] <edman007> bah, who the hell builds a kernel without swap support on a system with 160MB of ram...
98 [00:48:11] <nuxil> lol
99 [00:48:13] * edman007 is not having a good time trying to hack his NVR to run debian
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103 [00:51:30] <yokowka> edman007, nuxil - you about me??
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105 [00:52:38] <edman007> no...let me read your problem though...
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108 [00:52:44] <nuxil> yokowka, sorry i dont know how to fix your issue
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112 [00:54:16] <yokowka> nuxil, - no metter then.
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114 [00:55:22] <edman007> yokowka, so what is your problem? You're hearing noise on your audio? Do you hear the audio you want and there is just addational noise, or is it just noise and not your audio? Does the noise sound electronic of static? Is it on your laptop speakers? Or just through HDMI?
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120 [00:57:17] <yokowka> edman007, now there is no sound nither from speaker, no from webcam microphone recording.....
121 [00:57:53] <yokowka> previous was sound with electronic noise together.
122 [00:58:01] <edman007> ahh
123 [00:58:14] <edman007> and this is through the laptop speakers or through a TV or something over HDMI?
124 [00:58:54] <edman007> and is this a new laptop? usually intel HW is good...
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127 [01:01:01] <yokowka> yes laptop is new, trough laptop speakers
128 [01:01:07] <edman007> Also, did you run pavucontrol and mess around with the settings?
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135 [01:05:44] <keinheit> Not sure full story but pavucontrol has always fixed any laptop->TV sound issues for me. pavucontrol-qt is available for KDE.
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142 [01:08:27] <yokowka> edman007, can You see my system thru the teamviewer??
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149 [01:11:57] <edman007> yokowka, unfortunately I don't have it, and while I'd normally consider ssh (which would be fine...), I have to say I don't think it would help much, I've had the issues you've had, and it's usually a driver bug, though like I said, that's odd for intel HW, but if it's new stuff maybe...
150 [01:12:10] <edman007> anyways, I recommend just upgrading to a very new kernel
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152 [01:12:56] <yokowka> edm what is the command to pdate??
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157 [01:16:54] <edman007> yokowka, easiest way is switch to Buster or Sid, this is going to upgrade a whole bunch of stuff
158 [01:17:56] <yokowka> switch?? what method??
159 [01:18:02] <edman007> replaced-url
160 [01:18:25] <edman007> or change buster to sid to get even newer stuff
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164 [01:18:50] <petn-randall> edman007: That is not a good recommendation.
165 [01:18:55] <petn-randall> !stretch-backports
166 [01:18:55] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See replaced-url
167 [01:19:11] <yokowka> Thank You, perfect soul.
168 [01:19:12] <petn-randall> This ^^^ is far better, as you can grab a newer kernel from there without upgrading all the rest.
169 [01:19:30] <edman007> ahhh, ok, yea, stretch-backports is probably better
170 [01:19:32] <petn-randall> buster is currently really busy, so a lot of things are breaking there.
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177 [01:20:45] <yokowka> petn-randall, heaveno!!!! can You with help of team viewer help me?? if You not buisy in a few minutes??
178 [01:21:19] <petn-randall> No, I don't have teamviewer.
179 [01:21:48] <petn-randall> yokowka: Take your time, read the instructions and follow the steps. If you get stuck, you can always ask here.
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181 [01:22:43] <yokowka> instruction on english and constantly everything is not go step by step((
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183 [01:26:30] <edman007> yokowka, what is your primary language?
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189 [01:28:26] <velix> Oh dear, systemd's nspawn has trouble with a patch backported from a newer kernel version on Debian: replaced-url
190 [01:28:26] <velix> commit/?id=55956b59df336f6738da916dbb520b6e37df9fbd
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194 [01:29:34] <yokowka> Rus
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199 [01:32:11] <edman007> replaced-url
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201 [01:33:21] <yokowka> edman007, bless You by heavens
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205 [01:34:42] <velix> Is there a watch to search Debian's kernel patches the easy way? f.e. get a list of all the patches?
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211 [01:42:42] <petn-randall> velix: replaced-url
212 [01:42:54] <petn-randall> velix: You might want to check the actual CVE against:
213 [01:42:58] <petn-randall> !tracker of doom
214 [01:42:58] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
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219 [01:44:24] <velix> petn-randall: Thanks a lot. I used some cruel git scripts to find the patch :D
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221 [01:44:53] <velix> petn-randall: I think, systemd got too complex. The bug and kernel are around for a half year now and there's still no patch.
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223 [01:45:38] <velix> The actualy onl patch is to remove the kernel patch and compile your own kernel... yipee.
224 [01:46:03] <petn-randall> velix: What is the CVE?
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230 [01:46:31] <petn-randall> You're not talking about the polkit bug, are you?
231 [01:46:33] <velix> petn-randall: Actually, I don't know a CVE... I've posted all information I had :(
232 [01:46:46] <velix> petn-randall: But we discussed it on #systemd already. Nobody is happy about the situation.
233 [01:46:54] <velix> petn-randall: The best solution is to stay on an old kernel :(
234 [01:47:09] <petn-randall> Lots of handwaving ...
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236 [01:48:04] <petn-randall> velix: This one? replaced-url
237 [01:48:23] <velix> petn-randall: no.
238 [01:48:25] <petn-randall> That's already fixed in stable, as was a polkit issue, even though it only showed on systemd.
239 [01:48:48] <petn-randall> velix: Ok, let me know if you have the CVE.
240 [01:49:12] <petn-randall> ... or *any* kind of details, for that matter.
241 [01:49:19] <velix> petn-randall: Actually, it's not a kernel bug. kernel has been updated, systemd hasn't.
242 [01:49:45] <velix> petn-randall: This one made trouble in LXC and systemd now. LXC has fixed it. replaced-url
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340 [03:25:31] <sigtrm> Okay, I have been trying to figure this out for far too long, I can't find a single reason why ufw doesn't boot enabled, even though it is configured to do so
341 [03:26:18] <karlpinc> sigtrm: Does it need to be enabled in systemd?
342 [03:26:43] <sigtrm> Oh I just realized I sent this to the wrong #debian channel, sorry
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344 [03:26:49] <sigtrm> But let me give some background here too
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346 [03:27:44] <sigtrm> I have ufw installed, enabled, journalctl shows " Started Uncomplicated firewall." Enable at boot is set in the configuration file for ufw
347 [03:27:55] <sigtrm> Yet whenever I restart it starts in an inactive (disabled state)
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349 [03:28:35] <sigtrm> I can manually enable it and it will work fine, but just not at boot, the only way I have figured to have ti actually be enabled is to add "ufw enable" to rc.local, but I feel like that isn't a good way to do it
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352 [03:29:18] <joepublic> rc.local is awesome in my personal opinion
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354 [03:29:38] <sigtrm> I mean, it works, but I rather figure out why it doesn't using the official way of doing it
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356 [03:29:43] <sigtrm> which is to enable it in systemd
357 [03:30:37] <joepublic> no log message(s) indicating why it bailed out? does kern.log say anything about it crashing?
358 [03:31:23] <paladox> Have you tryed systemd enable ufw?
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360 [03:31:49] <sigtrm> Yes I have tried that, it seems to be enabled and journalctl shows that it is started at startup
361 [03:31:59] <sigtrm> I'll check kern.log
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366 [03:35:13] <cryptodan_mobile> sigtrm: could always try installing gufw
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368 [03:35:57] <sigtrm> Would not gufw require a window environment? My debian installation is just terminal based
369 [03:36:25] <cryptodan_mobile> Oh okay
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371 [03:38:04] <karlpinc> sigtrm: You might check the README.Debian. Or possibly look in /etc/default/.
372 [03:38:08] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
373 [03:38:08] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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375 [03:39:27] <sigtrm> I have looked in /etc/default already, it's nothing there, but I will look into the readme
376 [03:39:58] <sigtrm> kern.log only has information of what UFW has blocked earlier, but nothing about why it starts deactivated
377 [03:40:10] <sigtrm> What do people here use to configure firewall? Do you just use iptables directly?
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380 [03:41:26] <karlpinc> I like the syntatic sugar that ferm puts on top of iptables. I find it easy to write efficent firewalls that are understandable.
381 [03:42:18] <karlpinc> sigtrm: (I also really like BSDs pf syntax, but that's BSD.)
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383 [03:43:10] <karlpinc> There remains no substitute for being able to read iptables when it comes to debugging.
384 [03:43:44] <sigtrm> I know, I just want to secure this device and I do not feel secure enough on myself to write iptables directly
385 [03:43:53] <sigtrm> I think I understand them, but I am just unsure about it
386 [03:44:46] <karlpinc> sigtrm: What do you mean "secure the device"? What is the threat model?
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390 [03:46:46] <karlpinc> sigtrm: Mostly, not having open ports, meaning not running software you don't need, solves the problem. Otherwise, I go with a default-deny policy and allow no network traffic either in or out that is not "approved". That helps in case you do get cracked. There's always a way to reach out over the network from a compromised box, but closing more doors thwarts some attempts.
391 [03:47:09] <sigtrm> I appreciate the advice
392 [03:49:45] <cryptodan_mobile> sigtrm: try reinstalling ufw maybe it messed up
393 [03:51:05] <karlpinc> sigtrm: This is reasonable: replaced-url
394 [03:51:34] <sigtrm> I am setting up a jumphost, the idea is I can connect to it and from there access the services I need to access in different ways, currently I have setup a Wireguard VPN and a SSH tunnel, but I want to limit the access to this device. The device will have only few ports open, SSH, Wireguard and the dynamic socks proxy port created by the SSH tunnel. The SSH port should be accessible from the outside world so the external firewal has a hole punched for SSH
395 [03:51:34] <sigtrm> , the same with Wireguard, but the dynamic socks proxy port I don't want to have accessible for the world so that one is currently only accessible from the LAN. I do not want to rely only on the external firewall because should that be misconfigured at any point, someone could do a lot of damage from the unsecured socks proxy port, so I want to setup ufw to deny any connections to that port not from LAN as a second layer of defence.
396 [03:51:57] <sigtrm> Everything else should be dropped of course
397 [03:53:03] <sigtrm> My current two issues is, ufw doesn't active on boot but stays deactivated, and secondly regardless of what I do with the socks proxy port (currently it should all connections to that port), I can still connect to it
398 [03:53:23] <sigtrm> I will try to reinstall ufw and check you link karlpinc, thank you
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567 [06:28:06] <nuxil> im trying to convince myself linux dosent suck. and that dual booting is real fun.. esp when you need to do some real work with software, that is non existent in linux
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569 [06:28:42] <nuxil> sorry. thats a bit wrong.. linux doesnt suck. the kernel is good. what i meant is. software in linux sucks. but basically due to none existent.
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577 [06:38:50] <wr> wanna connect remotely to my debian from anywhere, what can i use to do that?
578 [06:38:58] <nuxil> it seem like there is nothing really new in linux software world the past 5 years. instead we go tonz of desktops env's, with gazillion types of calulators, and other low end apps
579 [06:39:25] <nuxil> wr ssh
580 [06:39:47] <nuxil> and putty on remote pc.
581 [06:39:47] <epicmetal> nuxil: gaming support is slowly getting better which is nice
582 [06:39:58] <nuxil> i dont know about graphical stuff
583 [06:40:05] <wr> nuxil also wanna do it graphically
584 [06:40:40] <wr> nuxil, ssh i use it already
585 [06:40:51] <nuxil> teamviewer ?
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587 [06:41:40] <nuxil> epicmetal, games i dont not care much about. but its good that its proving tho. so the foks who likes gaming can do so.
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590 [06:43:02] <wr> nuxil, even it works for me is not best option, because i have to bounce somewhere
591 [06:43:31] <nuxil> epicmetal, but games is the last thing i miss. i miss production software. like maya. maxon, autodesk, ps.. yes i know there are alternatives for linux. gimp, blender etc. but still not on pair with professional apps.
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593 [06:45:51] <epicmetal> nuxil: I don't game either
594 [06:46:25] <epicmetal> nuxil: I use Windows for business and Linux just for fun
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597 [06:46:38] <solrize> hi i installed debian live mate i386 from usb stick and went thru all the installation rigamarole
598 [06:46:47] <solrize> when i do the live boot it works fine, brings up mate screen with the upper and lower panels etc
599 [06:46:59] <solrize> when i boot from the installed hdd image it starts the window system lets me login, then shows a debian wallpaper screen with nothing on it (no panels, icons etc)
600 [06:47:04] <nuxil> epicmetal, yes. seems like i have to do aswell. was hopeing wine could handle some of the app i use. but nah.. wine failed big time.
601 [06:47:12] <solrize> mouse movement works ok, keyboard and mouse buttons do nothing
602 [06:47:24] <solrize> after about half a minute the cursor temporarily turns into a pinwheel then turns back
603 [06:47:30] <epicmetal> nuxil: save yourself the pain, just use Windows. Linux has never and probably will never get the mainstream support it needs for ISVs to write for it
604 [06:47:35] <solrize> and the wallpaper changes slightly, but then nothing. all i can do is move the cursor
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606 [06:47:40] <solrize> any advice? thanks
607 [06:48:16] <wr> nuxil, i read replaced-url
608 [06:49:22] <nuxil> wr, sorry i dont do much graphical remote stuff. did you try teamviewer ? replaced-url
609 [06:49:27] <epicmetal> nuxil: have you tried VFIO
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611 [06:49:51] <wr> nuxil, even it works for me is not best option, because i have to bounce somewhere, yes have tried
612 [06:50:22] <nuxil> epicmetal, virtual stuff?
613 [06:50:24] <wr> nuxil, teamviewer is not an option here for me
614 [06:50:45] <epicmetal> nuxil: yeah, you have a desktop PC with specific video cards dedicated to the Windows VM
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616 [06:50:58] <epicmetal> nuxil: people use that to game at native Windows speed
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618 [06:51:20] <epicmetal> nuxil: I've not tried it personally
619 [06:51:51] <nuxil> now have i.
620 [06:51:54] <nuxil> *nor
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622 [06:52:38] <epicmetal> nuxil: so if you have a desktop battlestation and the money/time that'd be the way to go
623 [06:52:50] <epicmetal> Or just have multiple computers :)
624 [06:54:19] <nuxil> wr, Remmina ?
625 [06:55:14] <wr> nuxil, already use remmina but it is only a middle man
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628 [06:57:46] <nuxil> epicmetal, well. i dont really like this. the only future for linux desktop i can see in 5 new years is. there will be just N more new desktop env's and still the same lack of production software thats used in all sort of industry over the world.
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630 [06:58:05] <epicmetal> nuxil: the way things are going you won't even be able to boot Linux on general purpose hardware
631 [06:58:34] <epicmetal> nuxil: it's just like Windows Phone
632 [06:58:42] <epicmetal> nuxil: Windows, macOS, no room for a third
633 [06:58:50] <epicmetal> nuxil: iPhone, Android, ...
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635 [07:01:21] <epicmetal> nuxil: maybe flatpack/snap will take off and then you'll have all the apps you want but with unpatched libraries, so it'll be nice and Windows-like :)
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637 [07:02:16] <nuxil> heh.. might be.. the lack of software in linux isnt really the community fault. but rather the issues with distros. Libc version and all that crap. so i can understand why no one want to port it to linux and, need to spend endles time on support. also. linux dosnt really have backwards compability.. hell. look at windoes. you can run binarys over 20years old and they still work. try do that on linux,
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641 [07:04:05] <wr> nuxil, can't compare win and nix they are two different systems
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643 [07:05:24] <epicmetal> It'd be harder to compare them if they were the same system...
644 [07:05:28] <nuxil> wr, ofcource they are diffent system. and yes you can compare linux and windows just fine.
645 [07:06:13] <epicmetal> No nuxil, it's impossible!
646 [07:06:34] <nuxil> :p
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648 [07:07:39] <wr> nuxil, just by writing that, you have no clue what your talking about
649 [07:08:12] <wr> a dog is not a cat because it does a miau
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654 [07:10:43] <nuxil> wr, ehh.. how can you not compare linux and windows? what stopping you comparing? there are alot of comperisons one can do.
655 [07:10:55] <themill> Perhaps we should stick to Debian user support questions?
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657 [07:11:58] <wr> nuxil, stick to debian, you have no clue what your talking, and i wont go on that discussion, pointless
658 [07:12:53] <nuxil> we can go talk in pm.. so you can explain to me what i have no clue about.
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739 [08:39:39] <dionysus69> it takes literally, 4+ hours with rm -r
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762 [08:53:44] <Wulf> dionysus69: if it takes that long, it takes that long.
763 [08:53:57] <Wulf> dionysus69: you could try to buy a better computer next time, or have fewer files.
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775 [08:59:58] <avu> using a different filesystem could also help, reiserfs was famous for fast deletes back in the day :)
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799 [09:16:51] <jelly> dionysus69, if you have lots of files in a single directory on an ext4 or ext3 it will be very slow no matter what tool you use; however, you can save a small % of time by using rsync -r --delete /empty/dir/ /delete/contents/target/
800 [09:17:16] <jelly> rsync is faster than rm -r for some reason.
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805 [09:18:17] <jelly> dionysus69, if you need to do this frequently, put them on a separate mountpoint, umount and reformat and mount back again
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810 [09:21:03] <hansol> replaced-url
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826 [09:30:01] <Fox> hansol: why would we care ?
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830 [09:34:16] <dionysus69> thanks jelly :) I will consider formatting then
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834 [09:37:31] <themill> or tmpfs if that is suitable
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849 [09:50:00] <dionysus69> is there a way to really really terminate the process? i am calling sudo kill -9 pid and its still taking a lot of time
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851 [09:50:15] <dionysus69> the process is IO dependent, is there a way to kill it quickly
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853 [09:50:55] <devoid_> if debian is so good
854 [09:50:56] <nuxil> thats is in general the correct way to do it. you have also, killall appname
855 [09:51:06] <devoid_> why doesnt it have elogind and eudev
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857 [09:53:24] <nuxil> elogind? because deb uses systemd right? isnt elogind a different init system ??
858 [09:53:49] <epicmetal> devoid_: it's a binary distro
859 [09:53:59] <devoid_> yeah
860 [09:54:06] <epicmetal> devoid_: and support for non-systemd is slim, according to debian wiki
861 [09:54:23] <devoid_> just make a virtual udev pkg and package both sysds udev and eudev
862 [09:54:29] <devoid_> doesnt seem impossible
863 [09:54:30] <epicmetal> devoid_: you want gentoo
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865 [09:54:37] <devoid_> no i dont
866 [09:54:39] <epicmetal> ha
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877 [10:01:17] <dionysus69> how do I quickly format partition? data on it can be ignored
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880 [10:02:06] <jelly> dionysus69: mkfs -t desiredfstype /dev/path/to/device
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882 [10:03:17] <dionysus69> thx :)
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884 [10:03:55] <nuxil> dionysus69, there is also mkfs.TYPE /dev/blah
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887 [10:04:16] <nuxil> example mkfs.ext4 blah blah
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895 [10:09:11] <jelly> dionysus69: you will have to verify and update /etc/fstab entry for the new fs if you use LABEL or UUID there
896 [10:09:27] <jelly> or force usage of old UUID with mkfs
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898 [10:09:46] <jelly> dionysus69: man mke2fs
899 [10:09:55] <nuxil> if you prefere there are gui tools. Gparted or something like that
900 [10:10:59] <dionysus69> yea digital ocean is being annoying
901 [10:11:06] <dionysus69> i unmounted partition and it still said busy
902 [10:11:17] <dionysus69> meanwhile my poor find * -delete command finished :D
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904 [10:12:06] <jelly> you could not have umounted while find or rm was still running, dionysus69
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907 [10:12:14] <nuxil> lsof
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1008 [11:14:08] <jmd> What's the issue with glibc2.28 ?
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1024 [11:18:54] <jelly> ,v libc6
1025 [11:18:55] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-8; sid: 2.28-2
1026 [11:19:06] <jelly> jmd: sounds like a question for
1027 [11:19:13] <jelly> !debian-next
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1029 [11:19:13] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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1106 [12:02:47] <hansol> mount: cannot remount /dev/sda1 read-write, is write-protected
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1108 [12:04:47] <hansol> help ?
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1111 [12:05:55] <jmd> hansol: Either mount it read only or remove the write protection.
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1141 [12:28:30] <jelly> hansol: what are you trying to do?
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1143 [12:29:31] <jelly> and don't say "remount the filesystem in rw mode" because the next question will be "why" and "what made it be read-only in the first place"
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1145 [12:30:21] <glaucom> hi all :) good morning.
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1148 [12:33:48] <noln> that's the typical message for remounting an iso9660 image rw
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1153 [12:36:31] <jelly> however /dev/sda1 is not a typical cd device path
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1155 [12:36:56] <jelly> well. It might be an usb stick
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1159 [12:42:13] <jmd> jelly: "Why" is never a valid question if you are trying to help somebody.
1160 [12:42:49] <noln> ^^^^^^^ and I can think at least 3 other reasonable causes
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1166 [12:45:02] <blackflow> jmd: of course it is. understanding he issue is important. because XY questions are very often.
1167 [12:45:06] <jelly> jmd: we'll have to agree to disagree on that
1168 [12:45:09] <blackflow> *the
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1176 [12:51:04] <nr9032nsc6> Hi
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1178 [12:53:10] <nuxil> hmm firefl
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1180 [12:53:20] <nuxil> firefox is eating up my mem
1181 [12:53:43] <Ede|Popede> so xdg-open calls exo-open or gvfs-open (or kde-open or mate-open under other circumstances) depending on the context, and they both fail again with the same files while they don't with others. while file(1) recognizes them correctly. is there a fix which doesn't include changing the script in /usr/bin?
1182 [12:53:43] <jmd> blackflow: You really have proved my point. The so called XY question is a thinly disguised way of saying to a newcommer "You have no idea what you are talking about. You can't even ask the right questions and so prove it I'm asking you something which will totally confuse and confound you."
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1185 [12:56:08] <nr9032nsc6> How can I create an account for a friend on my server, so that he can 1) host a Apache+PHP website (Apache+PHP already installed) 2) not access to command line via SSH 3) only acces via FTP/SFTP
1186 [12:57:01] <jmd> nr9032nsc6: I think you can do that by setting his shell to "/bin/false"
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1188 [12:57:42] <blackflow> no, that's your projection of a non-existing intention. XY questions are very real and often asked, and one needn't be as rude as you make it be, to point such users toward the actual problem.
1189 [12:57:51] <jmd> It's probably not a hard and fast way of denying him a shell though.
1190 [12:58:07] <nr9032nsc6> jmd: should i first create a new user with "adduser"? should I initialize his password myself?
1191 [12:58:27] <jmd> nr9032nsc6: Yes.
1192 [12:58:29] <nuxil> howabout webmin or other tools ? replaced-url
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1200 [13:02:00] <shtrb|laptop> Anyone have a suggestion for an OCR that can handle BIG png/tiff files in a cyrilic language ?
1201 [13:02:32] <vlt> shtrb|laptop: tesseract propably.
1202 [13:03:07] <nuxil> gimp :p
1203 [13:03:10] <nr9032nsc6> jmd: I just created a new user
1204 [13:03:24] <shtrb|laptop> vlt, thanks
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1208 [13:03:37] <nr9032nsc6> based on /home/robert but this new user can still browse and see contents in /home/replaced-url
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1212 [13:05:41] <nuxil> cant opencv do ocr on images aswell?
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1215 [13:06:49] <nuxil> jup.opencv and tesseract
1216 [13:06:52] <nuxil> replaced-url
1217 [13:06:53] <shtrb|laptop> I have no idea, I don't even sure what language it is
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1220 [13:07:21] <shtrb|laptop> just that's it a cyrlic type (used wikipedia to identify the characters)
1221 [13:08:53] <nuxil> write a plugin for gimp :p
1222 [13:11:25] <shtrb|laptop> vlt, should it work with hand written text ?
1223 [13:11:27] <jelly> has tesseract been improving? It had issues with anything that wasn't US ASCII, Latin1 at best
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1225 [13:12:24] <shtrb|laptop> Wait, I need to train this OCR to identify letters ?!
1226 [13:13:05] <jelly> shtrb|laptop: because there are varying fonts, yet. I suspect you'll have to PAY for a closed source product if you want something easy
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1228 [13:13:53] <shtrb|laptop> jelly, it's hand written text .. so no possible font I can think of
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1230 [13:14:19] <nuxil> yay. i see repetier host has a linux binary for my 3d printer "tarantula".. now all i need is a proper modeling software. "blender not one of them."
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1232 [13:16:18] <nuxil> maybe i can actually use this linux to something more usefull other than sit on irc and surf the web.. i might actually get some real work done. if wine will work with maxon.
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1234 [13:16:41] <pvdp> Trying to change my default locale to en_AU.UTF-8. Installed locales, ran dpkg-reconfigure locales. But then I get: en_AU.UTF-8...cannot open locale definition file `i18n`: No such file or directory
1235 [13:16:41] <pvdp> How can I resolve this? Only thing that sort-of-works is: export LANG=en_AU.UTF-8
1236 [13:16:41] <pvdp> Looked everywhere but can't seem to find the right answer.
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1238 [13:18:48] <nuxil> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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1240 [13:19:45] <nuxil> nm. that might just change the type and not the locales
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1242 [13:20:35] <pvdp> Yeah, just tried that. No luck there.
1243 [13:21:07] <nuxil> sudo nano /etc/default/keyboard
1244 [13:21:55] <nuxil> you should see XKBLAYOUT="blah"
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1246 [13:22:55] <_13LACK_> pvdp: First, list all enabled locales with "locale -a"
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1249 [13:24:05] <pvdp> C, C.UTF-8 POSIX
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1251 [13:24:25] <_13LACK_> now, you have to set de locale you want changing the system variable... For example: LANG=en_US.utf8
1252 [13:24:27] <nuxil> youre missing.
1253 [13:25:10] <jmd> pvdp: export LC_ALL=en_AU.UTF-8 is what you need if you want the entire local to be set
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1255 [13:25:31] <jmd> LANG is problematic. I would avoid it.
1256 [13:25:50] <pvdp> export LC_ALL=en_AU.UTF-8
1257 [13:25:50] <pvdp> bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_AU.UTF-8)
1258 [13:26:21] <pvdp> dpkg-reconfigure locales
1259 [13:26:22] <pvdp> Generating locales (this might take a while)...
1260 [13:26:22] <pvdp> en_AU.UTF-8...cannot open locale definition file `i18n': No such file or directory
1261 [13:26:22] <pvdp> done
1262 [13:26:22] <pvdp> Generation complete.
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1264 [13:26:22] <nuxil> there is also localectl
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1281 [13:33:10] <tdn> What tool do you recommend for user space encryption of files and folders (not whole disk encryption)? I see there are several alternatives: CryFS, EncFS, eCryptFS, maybe more? CryFS seems to be the easiest
1282 [13:33:46] <rubenb> Is this a known error: 'replaced-url
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1285 [13:35:16] <pvdp> OK, shouldn't have pasted...my mistake.
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1288 [13:36:57] <nuxil> tdn, encfs seems strait forward and simple to use.
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1292 [13:38:44] <shtrb|laptop> tdn, you can use luks if you are willing to give sudo permissions
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1294 [13:38:57] <nuxil> there is gpg you can use for files aswell.
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1296 [13:39:22] <_13LACK_> pvdp: have you root privileges?
1297 [13:39:25] <nuxil> gpg -c --cipher-algo aes256 somefile.txt
1298 [13:39:44] <nuxil> decrypt gpg somefile.txt.gpg
1299 [13:39:54] <jpw> `openssl rsautl` too
1300 [13:39:56] <shtrb|laptop> luks for any blockdevice (including filesystem in a file allowing mounting in place) , gpg forces you to decrypt files
1301 [13:40:17] <jmd> tdn: I recomment gpg
1302 [13:40:18] <pvdp> _13LACK_: yes
1303 [13:40:20] <_13LACK_> pvdp: Try this replaced-url
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1306 [13:41:09] <_13LACK_> pvdp: or this replaced-url
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1310 [13:43:25] <pvdp> _13LACK_: dpkg-reconfigure locales failes with: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. etc
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1314 [13:44:54] <pvdp> _13LACK_: 2nd also no luck. Getting: en_AU.UTF-8...cannot open locale definition file `i18n': No such file or directory
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1318 [13:46:44] <rubenb> Hi. Is replaced-url
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1320 [13:47:28] <jpw> rubenb: i get "Valid-Until: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 08:31:36 UTC"
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1323 [13:48:11] <_13LACK_> pvdp: what debian version are you using?
1324 [13:48:23] <pvdp> stretch
1325 [13:48:40] <rubenb> jpw: Thanks. It redirects to a cdn, which appears to be broken (at least in the Netherlands)
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1328 [13:50:46] <nuxil> perhaps youre missing libmini18n1 ?
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1331 [13:52:10] <nuxil> or you need locales-all
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1334 [13:52:40] <pvdp> nuxil: libmini18n1 wasn't installed, but didn't make a difference...
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1343 [13:53:49] <pvdp> nuxil: locales-all seems to get rid of the errors.
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1345 [13:54:43] <nuxil> well.. thats progress :p
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1352 [13:57:12] <pvdp> in saying that. locale-gen still gives that 'i18n' error. export LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 seems to be the go now.
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1372 [14:07:32] <pvdp> nuxil: I think I solved it. The trick is this: export LANG=en_AU.UTF-8; apt-get install --reinstall locales;
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1375 [14:07:53] <nuxil> good
1376 [14:08:15] <pvdp> nuxil: After that dpkg-reconfigure locales -> WORKS. local-gen -> WORKS No more errors whatsoever.
1377 [14:08:58] <pvdp> Thx for your help. Have been struggling with this for a while now.
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1379 [14:10:04] <nuxil> :) now see if it survives a reboot :p
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1419 [14:26:27] <tdn> jmd, gpg is fine to encrypt a single file, but it does not handle automatic encryption of files and folderes. Say, if a user wants his or her documents folder to be encrypted.
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1422 [14:28:08] <tdn> nuxil, looks promising. Do you know how it stacks up against Cryfs?
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1424 [14:30:02] <nuxil> sorry. i have no idea
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1505 [15:15:31] <nuxil> how is chrome for linux?
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1507 [15:15:46] <xand> nuxil: pretty much the same as on other OSes.
1508 [15:15:49] <nuxil> i been using Firefox and i really dislike it. its slow and a mem hugger. i prefere chrome for as a web browser. "atleast on windows". same issues there. Imo FF sucks compared to chrome. the only time i have need for FF is when i need to download some video using a plugin. imo the last 5 years has turned FF into a crap browser. i used to love it in the past. but no more
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1521 [15:21:24] <rubenb> nuxil: Chromium loves my memory too.
1522 [15:21:40] <nuxil> rubenb, i know. but its not as slow and unresponsive as FF is.
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1525 [15:21:56] <nuxil> xand, found nothing in synaptic with chome. just some chromium stuff. not the same. . so i guess chrome isnt availeble in the standard repos.
1526 [15:22:03] <nuxil> should i get it from here ? replaced-url
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1528 [15:22:26] <nuxil> sry. meant. replaced-url
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1531 [15:23:26] <keinheit> nuxil: chromium is the opensource version of chrome, still developed my Google. You will not be missing any functions, install chromium from repo.
1532 [15:23:27] <nuxil> rubenb, well. i cant tell that. but on my windows. chrome is superior to FF imo. dont know who performance is in linux.. need to try
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1537 [15:24:02] <blackflow> nuxil: which firefox are you working with? FF quantum is a huge improvement, available as firefox-esr in Debian, the version in stable is very recent. meanwhile, chrom(ium) has become a huge memory hog
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1539 [15:24:36] <nuxil> blackflow, thats the one im using now.
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1541 [15:24:54] <nuxil> V 60.3.0esr
1542 [15:25:03] <blackflow> do you have hw acceleration enabled?
1543 [15:25:42] <nuxil> how do i check?
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1545 [15:25:52] <nuxil> about:config ?
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1550 [15:27:51] <nuxil> blackflow, or do you mean my video drivers? if so i installed the none free stuff for ati
1551 [15:30:03] <nuxil> oh oh oh.. FF has disabled hw accel by default.
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1554 [15:31:27] <blackflow> I mean in FF, yes, about:config, then layers.acceleration.disabled
1555 [15:31:41] <nuxil> yea found them.. everything was off
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1557 [15:32:02] <blackflow> because with that enabled (an nvidia drivers) FF is really very nice to use, at least for me. I actually switched away from chromium to FF, as of quantum
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1559 [15:32:10] <blackflow> *and nvidia
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1561 [15:34:07] <nuxil> will try abit with this setting on and see how it goes
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1628 [16:04:04] <KdeKris> Quick quesiton, ImageMagick is currently at 6.9. I'd like to update to a version higher than 7 for HEIF compatibility. Would github be the best way to update?
1629 [16:04:24] <KdeKris> It's the only place I've found that's got the newer version.
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1641 [16:08:22] <petn-randall> ,v imagemagick
1642 [16:08:23] <judd> Package: imagemagick on amd64 -- wheezy: 8:6.7.7.10-5+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 8:6.7.7.10-5+deb7u22; jessie: 8:6.8.9.9-5+deb8u12; jessie-security: 8:6.8.9.9-5+deb8u12; stretch: 8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u6; stretch-security: 8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u6; buster: 8:6.9.10.14+dfsg-7; sid: 8:6.9.10.14+dfsg-7
1643 [16:08:44] <petn-randall> KdeKris: Seems as though a source install is your only option.
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1659 [16:16:09] <Iarfen> hi!
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1661 [16:16:17] <petn-randall> hi Iarfen
1662 [16:16:30] <Iarfen> how I can recover files with photorec that were of windows 10?
1663 [16:16:54] <Iarfen> I've got recup_dir.1, recup_dir.2, etc but the files aren't good
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1666 [16:19:24] <petn-randall> Iarfen: What do you mean exactly? You tried recovering, but the photos are corrupted?
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1668 [16:20:57] <Iarfen> petn-randall: I want to recover the files, not only photos
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1674 [16:22:31] <petn-randall> ... and what is exactly the issue?
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1689 [16:32:24] <petn-randall> Iarfen: ^
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1698 [16:37:31] <yokowka> heavenO, everysoul!!!!! help laptop web cameras microphone still noisy on video.... and video from cheese program slows and on, slows and go on....
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1709 [16:45:11] <KdeKris> petn-randall, so github for sure then. Thanks.
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1714 [16:48:07] <yokowka> heavenO, everysoul, pistache . laptop web cameras microphone noisy on video.... and video from cheese program slows and on, slows and go on....laptop dell 3537 debian stretch
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1718 [16:49:15] <karlpinc> I'm looking at packages.debian.org and see that wireguard is in sid but not buster. How can I tell the state of the pipeline that moves (say) wireguard into buster -- as in I'm wondering if it will be in buster and when that might happen. Wireguard is speical in that it's pretty much a kernel module and so tied to the kernel version. I guess I'm also interested in the general case.
1719 [16:49:41] <petn-randall> !why is wireguard not in testing
1720 [16:49:42] <dpkg> wireguard is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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1725 [16:50:30] <petn-randall> karlpinc: ^^^ It usually migrates from sid to testing after 5 days. During freeze (which will happen next 5. January IIRC) these migration times are slower. It will not migrate if RC bugs are found and not fixed.
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1729 [16:53:11] <DammitJim> does running e2fsck against a partition that is part of an LV make sense?
1730 [16:53:37] <DammitJim> in the context of checking for drive errors
1731 [16:53:41] <DammitJim> it's a VM after all...
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1735 [16:54:50] <jpw> DammitJim: you mean run e2fsck against a LV container, not an ext filesystem?
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1737 [16:54:56] <DammitJim> right
1738 [16:55:05] <jpw> no, that does not make sense
1739 [16:55:27] <DammitJim> but running e2fsck -f /var makes sense, right?
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1746 [16:58:08] <jpw> maby, i've never attempted to use fsck against a mount point it may be possible. I normally specify the block device explicitely.
1747 [16:59:02] <karlpinc> petn-randall: The thread in the bug linked to in the qa.debian.org url above is interesting. The bug is "artificial" in that it has to do with debian release policy and ensuring forward compatibility.
1748 [16:59:23] <karlpinc> DammitJim: You surely don't want to run that while it's mounted.
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1751 [16:59:52] <DammitJim> no problem... I'm booting into an installation ISO
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1759 [17:02:20] <petn-randall> DammitJim: If it's mounted, you'll very likely corrupt the FS with the forced fsck, since the kernel could be writing to it. Also fsck will fix things, so what the kernel has cached, and what is written on disk will diverge.
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1763 [17:03:26] <DammitJim> thanks guys, yeah, I'm first taking a snapshot of the VM
1764 [17:03:39] <DammitJim> then I'm booting into recovery mode with root access
1765 [17:04:01] <jpw> hold up. there is a supported method to force an fsck of the root filesystem
1766 [17:04:06] <DammitJim> then I'm going to run fsck -f /dev/VolGroup01/var
1767 [17:05:10] <DammitJim> I'll do the same for the /dev/VolGroup01/root
1768 [17:05:23] <jpw> you need to create a file on the root partition before a reboot... but i can't remember what the file needs to be called. 1 second.
1769 [17:05:29] <DammitJim> those are the 2 "partitions" / and /var that the software vendor is asking me to run fsck on (backup software having a problem restoring a backup)
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1772 [17:05:29] <DammitJim> a file? a file for what?
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1774 [17:05:29] <DammitJim> thanks jpw
1775 [17:05:39] <jpw> DammitJim: `touch /forcefsck` then reboot
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1780 [17:05:57] <DammitJim> interesting... I wonder if that would also run fsck for /var
1781 [17:06:05] <jpw> it will do everything
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1783 [17:06:09] <DammitJim> are you serious?
1784 [17:06:15] <DammitJim> does this process normally take hours?
1785 [17:06:27] <DammitJim> this is on an IOCard (ssd)
1786 [17:06:31] <jpw> not in my experience
1787 [17:06:49] * tarzeau hasn't used ext* for 5+ years (xfs or btrfs)
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1790 [17:07:05] <jpw> 10 minutes tops on a 'normal' filesystem
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1792 [17:07:20] <DammitJim> great, thanks
1793 [17:07:38] <DammitJim> hhhmmmm... I hate changing plans, but I like learning new things... your option is very simple
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1796 [17:07:49] <DammitJim> will it tell me if it finds problems?
1797 [17:07:51] <karlpinc> jpw: Last I looked systemd did not respect /forcefsck
1798 [17:08:21] <jpw> oh
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1803 [17:08:57] <karlpinc> You have to go into /etc/default/grub and add "fsck.mode=force" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX
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1805 [17:09:01] <jelly> DammitJim: fsck does not check for hw problems (at least, not by default). It checks metadata consistency.
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1807 [17:09:11] <karlpinc> And then run update_grub (IIRC)
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1814 [17:09:50] <jelly> or don't edit anything and add that kernel parameter from the boot loader.
1815 [17:09:52] <karlpinc> DammitJim: You might be interested in the smartmontools package.
1816 [17:10:05] <karlpinc> jelly: Yes, this works well too.
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1818 [17:10:14] <DammitJim> ok, thanks guys!
1819 [17:10:35] <jelly> asking the user to write stuff on a potentially problematic fs is a bit silly
1820 [17:10:40] <DammitJim> so, best recommendation is to add fsck.mode=force to /etc/default/grub and then update_grub
1821 [17:10:42] <karlpinc> yes.
1822 [17:10:45] <DammitJim> then reboot and it will run fsck?
1823 [17:10:50] <karlpinc> DammitJim: Not if you have disk problems.
1824 [17:11:18] <karlpinc> DammitJim: As jelly says, if you have disk problems then add it to the linux command line via the boot loader on system boot.
1825 [17:11:25] <jelly> DammitJim: is there anything in dmesg output that points to possible hardware issues?
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1827 [17:11:32] <DammitJim> I don't think I'm having disk problems... all I know is that the backup company is saying that my backups are failing because of something in those partitions that can be fixed by running fsck
1828 [17:11:44] <jelly> oh, good
1829 [17:11:46] <DammitJim> jelly, no, not at all
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1831 [17:11:48] <karlpinc> DammitJim: (Ideally, _first_ boot into a rescue disk and dd the troublesome disk to another device. Unless you're sure you have backups.
1832 [17:11:52] <DammitJim> no hardware issues that I know of
1833 [17:12:09] <DammitJim> karlpinc, I have the backup of the backup and a VM snapshot
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1837 [17:12:54] <jelly> DammitJim: if you have console access, do the kernel boot parameter by editing linux boot line at grub menu
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1839 [17:13:09] <DammitJim> I know this sounds like more work for you guys, but is it still ok to just boot into recovery mode and manually run: e2fsck -f /dev/LogVol01/var ?
1840 [17:13:12] <jpw> DammitJim: i'd do what jelly is sugesting then. Reboot, modify the boot parameters to add fsck.mode=force
1841 [17:13:18] <karlpinc> Since this discussion started I have been looking for where, in the systemd documentation, the kernel fsck.mode setting is documented. And I still can't find it.
1842 [17:13:21] <wonderer> hey all
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1847 [17:13:49] <karlpinc> DammitJim: Nothing wrong with booting on another device and fscking manually. You have more control that way.
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1849 [17:13:58] <wonderer> anyone recommend similar wireless headsets like these ones? replaced-url
1850 [17:14:11] <wonderer> looking for recommendations/opinions
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1853 [17:14:26] <DammitJim> ok, thanks!
1854 [17:14:41] <Tenkawa> thats better
1855 [17:14:46] <jpw> karlpinc: this perhaps? replaced-url
1856 [17:14:50] <DammitJim> don't get me wrong.. I love the automated stuff... but since I'm learning, I should probably make sure step by step
1857 [17:14:51] <jelly> karlpinc: as most people know, Arch wiki is where you find _actually_ useful docs for systemd and many other modern components. replaced-url
1858 [17:15:07] <Tenkawa> having to multiplex screen instances can be tricky
1859 [17:15:24] <wonderer> anything around £239.00/250euros mark will spend
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1861 [17:16:01] <yokowka> heavenO, everysoul, pistache . laptop web cameras microphone noisy on video.... and video from cheese program slows and on, slows and go on....laptop dell 3537 debian stretch??
1862 [17:16:02] <karlpinc> jpw: Yeah. That's it. I wonder how anyone is supposed to find it in the man pages.
1863 [17:16:15] <jelly> wonderer: ask in ##hardware ?
1864 [17:16:21] <wonderer> ops
1865 [17:16:32] <karlpinc> jelly: :) That's probably where I found it originally. But then I did manage to find it in the debian man pages -- somehow.
1866 [17:16:33] <wonderer> sorry, posted in wrong chan :D
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1868 [17:17:42] <jelly> I'd go with wireless Sennheiser Momentum M2 tho
1869 [17:17:45] * jelly hides
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1877 [17:21:18] <jelly> Tenkawa: ^B for outside screen, ^A for remote / inner screen :-)
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1880 [17:22:32] <Tenkawa> jelly: I know _how_... its reminding my fingers not to hit the wrong buttosa
1881 [17:22:38] <Tenkawa> er buttons
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1884 [17:22:50] <Tenkawa> when I'm flying through
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1888 [17:23:39] <Tenkawa> I'm using serial insinde inside a ssh connection from another direction connection
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1891 [17:23:48] <Tenkawa> gets a bit tricky
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1897 [17:25:36] <eLmomani> Hi guys, I have a problem in my VNC connection, I control my VPS server via VNC, and when cpu usage get too high (like when rendering) screen became black and I still able to connect it multiple times but get black screen. this black screen never fixed even after rendering is finished. I WANT to connect to the same session (i have to do something on screen after rendering)
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1914 [17:31:28] <Tenkawa> bbl
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1924 [17:34:54] <karlpinc> eLmomani: Don't use VNC, use the command line with ssh?
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1928 [17:36:03] <eLmomani> @karlpinc, I use VNC to edit videos in my server, I cant edit videos without screen
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1932 [17:38:11] <karlpinc> eLmomani: I don't know. I thought you could connect to an existing VNC session by starting another vnc. Why not do that?
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1938 [17:40:12] <eLmomani> @karlpinc, I don't understand you , my old data (in session that crashed) will be used so why I would creat a new session ?
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1948 [17:42:40] <karlpinc> eLmomani: The whole point of vnc is to allow you to move your "GUI screen" from machine to machine. If you have a "screen" you want to look at that's running on the server, then you can look at it from another machine. Start a second vnc and see if you can connect to the existing "screen". I assume you want to look at what's "still running" on the server.
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1973 [17:54:38] <Corshine7> can I get cloaks?
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1978 [17:55:58] <jelly> Corshine7: are you a debian developer or debian maintainer?
1979 [17:56:09] <Corshine7> developer currently
1980 [17:56:17] <jelly> what's your username?
1981 [17:56:32] <Corshine7> in what?
1982 [17:56:41] <jelly> in the debian project
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1985 [17:56:50] <Corshine7> oh nono, im not in there
1986 [17:57:01] <jelly> then you can't get a debian cloak
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1988 [17:57:10] <Corshine7> i asked for general cloak
1989 [17:57:18] <Corshine7> any admin can give it for free
1990 [17:57:33] <jelly> Corshine7: ah. Ask in #freenode channel for an unaffiliated cloak.
1991 [17:57:44] <Corshine7> thanks
1992 [17:57:46] <joepublic> I am a fsf member, how do I get one of those cloaks?
1993 [17:58:03] <Corshine7> go #freenode and ask the ops
1994 [17:58:05] <jelly> probably figure out who's the project contact for fsf
1995 [17:58:16] <joepublic> fair enough.
1996 [17:58:22] <jelly> (if you want a @fsf/member/foo)
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2000 [17:59:24] <jelly> joepublic: ask in #fsf, probably
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2003 [17:59:38] <joepublic> i am looking on my member portal first
2004 [18:00:05] <jelly> Corshine7: type /join #freenode
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2013 [18:02:31] <joepublic> aha, member portal says send email to membership@fsf.org with your registered freenode nick
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2029 [18:07:56] <angry_route> hi guys!!! is there any documentation that can help me setup Debian 9 as a home router/firewall?
2030 [18:11:31] <Iarfen> petn-randall: are you still here?
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2033 [18:12:34] <joepublic> angry_route, the answer to your question is going to be yes. Where is it, that's a question that cuts to the heart of it.
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2036 [18:14:33] <angry_route> I found something that can get me started, like setting up pppoe, very basic nat and some iptables to route traffic, but I feel that it's a long way to replicate the setup that I have running now, specially with VLAN isolation
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2041 [18:15:40] <angry_route> I have no idea if dnsmasq is capable of VLAN tagging :P
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2048 [18:16:45] <jelly> dnsmasq doesn't care about vlan tagging. You configure VLAN interfaces similarly to normal interfaces, and then use them.
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2051 [18:17:23] <angry_route> hmmm that's good to know!
2052 [18:18:04] <jelly> basically you install "vlan" package and then configure eth0.12 and eth0.3 instead of eth0
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2054 [18:18:22] <angry_route> is there any advice on dnsmasq vs dhcpd? I'm leaning towards dnsmasq since it seems to do dhcp + dns
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2057 [18:19:37] <jelly> I don't have any good advice to give there, perhaps someone else. Choice of tools isn't really Debian specific, you might want to ask in ##networking
2058 [18:20:06] <angry_route> sure! I'll give it a try! Thanks for you VLAN tip!
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2064 [18:23:47] <simpledat> Whats the best Graphical Desktop for Debian?
2065 [18:24:10] <n4dir> if dpkg would like me, i would answer with:
2066 [18:24:12] <n4dir> !best
2067 [18:24:12] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
2068 [18:24:19] <n4dir> yee-haw.
2069 [18:24:26] <annadane> what are you looking for in a desktop?
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2071 [18:24:45] <annadane> generically, a lot of people like xfce, it's relatively light and simple
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2073 [18:24:59] <n4dir> ^^ i'm in that boat.
2074 [18:25:16] <simpledat> annadane: which is best looking? :)
2075 [18:25:44] <iovec> I'd say GNOME looks pretty
2076 [18:25:47] <annadane> i mean they can all be customized to an extent
2077 [18:25:49] <jelly> kde with some horrible fancy theme?
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2080 [18:26:24] <annadane> wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment
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2085 [18:27:40] <simpledat> annadane: Forbidden
2086 [18:27:41] <simpledat> <p>You are not allowed to access this!</p>
2087 [18:27:55] <annadane> well, i don't know. the wiki is cantankerous and hates small children and puppies
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2111 [18:33:22] <simpledat> What is the different between MATE and Gnome?
2112 [18:33:49] <SpeedyG> simpledat: its a matter of preference
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2114 [18:34:08] <simpledat> SpeedyG: Ofc it is.
2115 [18:34:21] <annadane> i think MATE is supposed to be a fork of GNOME 2
2116 [18:34:29] <SpeedyG> tbh, I dont see much difference between M and G
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2119 [18:36:15] <annadane> mate and cinnamon both have similarities with gnome 2, i'm not really sure which is a fork or how much
2120 [18:36:24] <annadane> the current gnome in debian is of course gnome 3
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2122 [18:37:43] <joepublic> Mate is a gnome 2 fork produced by the Linux Minx folks. Gnome is the one-true-desktop by the gnu folks. (If you agree with them; some do, some don't)
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2127 [18:40:30] <annadane> i personally really dislike how MATE looks but that's just me
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2129 [18:41:20] <joepublic> I love MATE's look, but that's probably because it looks dated.
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2131 [18:42:06] <simpledat> annadane: What about cinnamon?
2132 [18:42:31] <joepublic> My daily desktop is xfce + cairo-dock
2133 [18:43:10] <annadane> i use xfce currently as well, cinnamon just seems a little bloated for my preference
2134 [18:43:26] <annadane> but no one can tell you what you'll like, it's just about finding the workflow that suits you
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2140 [18:45:24] <simpledat> annadane: How is that the MATE for debian doesnt looks the same as for Linux mint?
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2142 [18:46:08] <annadane> i don't know, you'd have to ask the maintainers
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2144 [18:46:23] <n4dir> mate will look different on any distribution you will use, at least per default.
2145 [18:46:33] <annadane> anyway the nice thing about desktops is they can be as minimal or complicated as you want, some run very minimal things like dwm or openbox or whatever
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2147 [18:48:04] <annadane> even with full desktops like gnome one can just install gnome-core or whatever and only add what they want, as opposed to task-gnome-desktop which installs everything, games, gimp, libreoffice...
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2152 [18:49:38] <simpledat> Is it as secure to use linux mint as debian?
2153 [18:49:47] <annadane> i'd say no
2154 [18:49:52] <simpledat> why not?
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2157 [18:50:50] <annadane> i know mint already had some problem with compromised images but that aside, debian is quite good with security and has their Social Contract which a lot of people like
2158 [18:51:05] <annadane> i'm sure mint is fine for what it is, i've not used it
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2161 [18:51:37] <n4dir> less proprietary software per default, less services running per default. Last time i checked Mint, which is easily 8 years ago.
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2164 [18:53:07] <annadane> also debian releases are 2 years apart which leaves a lot of time to catch problems in general
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2166 [18:55:01] <simpledat> annadane: is it safe to download the use linux mint theme for MATE on debian?
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2168 [18:55:13] <rk[ghost]> heeeelp;P .. did an upgrade from debian jessie to stretch, but now it boots to a graphical environment, then login doesn't even seem to source my xinitrc.. some random desktop environment i don't understand..
2169 [18:55:59] <annadane> probably yes but it's just a question of whether the MATE in debian will make the theme look good or not considering debian has older releases of stuff
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2172 [18:56:58] <annadane> 'is it safe' really is a complicated question involving how paranoid one is, where one gets the software one wants to use, where in the file system hierarchy they put it, etc
2173 [18:57:09] <simpledat> annadane: They said that linux mint has a build-in firewall. Does debian has the same?
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2176 [18:58:07] <annadane> not by default i don't think? you'd have to ask someone more versed in firewall knowledge, people generally use iptables or nftables
2177 [18:58:22] <annadane> i know debian doesn't set up predefined rules for the user
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2179 [18:58:53] <simpledat> annadane: But debian has a firewall by default, right?
2180 [18:59:11] <annadane> i don't believe so
2181 [18:59:24] <n4dir> iptables is installed, but without rules, last time i checked.
2182 [18:59:36] <n4dir> so no.
2183 [18:59:53] <annadane> "NOTE: iptables is being replaced by nftables starting with Debian Buster" replaced-url
2184 [19:01:02] <n4dir> ups
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2186 [19:01:20] <annadane> just going back to the question of desktops, over time you'll develop a preference for what you want, depending on space one can always try out multiple ones or in a virtual machine so as not to clog up the main system
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2192 [19:03:09] <somiaj> and if you are really wanting to customize things, check out the multiple window managers (as opposed to a full desktop solution)
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2194 [19:03:42] <annadane> yep. and see also /usr/share/doc/<package>, the authors can sometimes include customization options
2195 [19:04:50] <annadane> but window managers generally are quite well documented online too. curiously i haven't really found too much up to date on fvwm though
2196 [19:05:00] <glaucom> how install libreoffice 6 in armhf ?
2197 [19:05:00] <annadane> though i suppose not much has changed in years
2198 [19:05:17] <annadane> sorry, rk[ghost]. i'm pushing your question off screen :(
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2202 [19:05:40] <simpledat> annadane: replaced-url
2203 [19:05:53] <simpledat> I mean, download and use the themes?
2204 [19:06:06] <annadane> i answered your question above. tl;dr: yes probably
2205 [19:06:27] <somiaj> ,v libreoffice
2206 [19:06:28] <judd> Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u11; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-backports: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4; stretch-security: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4; stretch-backports: 1:6.1.3-1~bpo9+2; buster: 1:6.1.3-1; sid: 1:6.1.3-2; experimental: 1:6.2.0~beta1-1+b1
2207 [19:06:42] <somiaj> glaucom: is it not available in stretch-backports?
2208 [19:06:58] <annadane> ,v libreoffice --architecture armhf
2209 [19:06:59] <judd> (versions <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and amd64 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages.
2210 [19:07:20] <simpledat> annadane: Whats the different between GTK 2.x and GTK 3.x? How do I know what I should use?
2211 [19:07:20] <glaucom> ?
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2213 [19:07:55] <annadane> it is apparently not in backports for armhf according to packages.d.o
2214 [19:08:14] <annadane> uh... as far as mate goes, i don't know, i'm not familiar with it
2215 [19:08:17] <somiaj> simpledat: gtk3 is the modern replacement of gtk2. Most apps have switched to gtk3, though some still use gtk2. In general, you use what the app you are using is built against. If you have a choice,
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2218 [19:09:04] <somiaj> annadane: I see it there, 1:6.0.6~rc1-1~bpo9+1: armhf -- though it is a differnet version.
2219 [19:09:21] <annadane> ah, whoops. reading is hard
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2222 [19:09:59] <somiaj> !tell glaucom about stretch-backports
2223 [19:10:08] <simpledat> somiaj: I use debian stable latest+MATE. I dont understand what you mean by what app I using?
2224 [19:10:10] <somiaj> glaucom: you'll have to add stretch-backports sources to get libreoffice 6 in stretch.
2225 [19:10:22] <jelly> ,v libreoffice --arch armhf
2226 [19:10:23] <judd> Package: libreoffice on armhf -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u11; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-backports: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4; stretch-security: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4; stretch-backports: 1:6.0.6~rc1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:6.1.3-1+b1; sid: 1:6.1.3-2; experimental:
2227 [19:10:23] <glaucom> k i try
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2229 [19:10:24] <judd> 1:6.2.0~beta1-1+b1
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2231 [19:10:28] <eugenmayer> we are creating a manual "debian mirror" with some 'dpkg + apt-download + dpkg-scanpackages" which we then reference using "deb [trusted=yes] file:/mnt/data/debian_mirror ." .. now unattended-upgrades list that all files have no origin, now label .. noting i could select by - any hints on that?
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2233 [19:10:48] <somiaj> simpledat: a desktop is a collection of apps, most apps will probably be using gtk3 on stretch, but some still only use gtk2. It depends on which app you are using.
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2235 [19:11:13] <annadane> i was trying not to rely on judd too much because rk[ghost] has a question that keeps getting pushed off screen
2236 [19:11:22] <simpledat> somiaj: Im using the default ones.
2237 [19:11:25] <somiaj> simpledat: the choice of gtk2 or gtk3 is a compile time choice, some apps provided versions that use either.
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2241 [19:12:03] <somiaj> simpledat: again it depends on which app you use, I don't know off the top of my head which app uses gtk3 and uses gtk2 (or even which ones use qt instead). Most of them probably use gtk3, but possibly not all.
2242 [19:12:31] <rk[ghost]> annadane: :P.. no worries, i have patience:)
2243 [19:12:32] <somiaj> simpledat: a desktop is just a collection of apps.
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2245 [19:12:46] <simpledat> somiaj: In debian when I go to System -> Look and Feel -> Appearance. It says that I can get more themes online, when I click it I have to choice GTK2 or GTK3?
2246 [19:13:29] <somiaj> simpledat: So if you get a theme for gtk3, it will affect most of your apps, but it may not affect all, since some of your apps could still be using gtk2.
2247 [19:13:38] <somiaj> So maybe get both a gtk3 and gtk2 theme that look somewhat similar
2248 [19:14:03] <simpledat> somiaj: But I can only use one theme at time :P
2249 [19:14:08] <simpledat> right?
2250 [19:14:14] <somiaj> I'm fairly sure mate has switched to gtk3 (though being a gnome2 fork, some things may still be gtk2 dependent)
2251 [19:14:27] <somiaj> simpledat: gtk3 and gtk2 themes are independent. You can only use one for each.
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2254 [19:15:19] <freestyle_coder> hi, I wonder why hexchat ist not possible to connect with freenode. Anyone faces same issue like me?
2255 [19:15:39] <annadane> depends on what error messages you get, i'm on freenode now, using hexchat
2256 [19:15:54] <rk[ghost]> hmm, luckily i poked around in the new graphical login screen, there was a dropdown i found to load my chosen window manager. whew.. at least i can now navigate to do stuff .
2257 [19:15:58] <somiaj> freestyle_coder: what version of debian/hexchat are you running? I don't see why hexchat would have an issue if other clients are also working for you.
2258 [19:16:12] <rk[ghost]> anyhoot, the question then becomes, how to stop the system from booting to a graphical login?
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2265 [19:18:32] <karlpinc> rk[ghost]: The most straightfoward way is probably to use systemctl to disable the dm.
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2267 [19:19:09] <simpledat> Do you use themes for your desktop?
2268 [19:19:17] <karlpinc> rk[ghost]: Then you can keep it around and start it if you want to. Or, don't worry about it and just Ctl-Alt-F1 (say) to switch to a vt.
2269 [19:19:22] <simpledat> or do you Customize by yourself?
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2273 [19:20:50] <LtL> rk[ghost]: # systemctl set-default multi-user.target # should disable graphical login
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2275 [19:21:55] <somiaj> karlpinc: I would follow the nodm factoid and edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager
2276 [19:22:04] <somiaj> !nodm
2277 [19:22:04] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
2278 [19:22:13] <somiaj> rk[ghost]:
2279 [19:22:14] <rk[ghost]> LtL: thank you:)
2280 [19:22:46] <rk[ghost]> somiaj: hmm
2281 [19:22:49] <somiaj> hmm, forgot about systemctl targets, but usually you don't want to disable the displaymanager service, either set the right target, or set the default-display-manager to false.
2282 [19:22:55] <rk[ghost]> that sounds liek a wonderful option as well.
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2284 [19:23:14] <rk[ghost]> aye aye.
2285 [19:23:41] <rk[ghost]> my system is slow and soemtiems i don't boot X.. so having a gfx display
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2287 [19:24:19] <somiaj> I prefer using startx myself, but my system is setup from when using /etc/X11/default-display-manager was prefered (before systemd)
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2290 [19:25:12] <rocketmagnet> hello everyone
2291 [19:25:27] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: I just disabled it in init before systemd.
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2294 [19:25:42] <rocketmagnet> i'm searching for a package that contains uclogic-tools, apt-file search doesn't show me something
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2296 [19:25:54] <rocketmagnet> that's the package name in debian (stable)
2297 [19:25:58] <rocketmagnet> what's
2298 [19:26:11] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: I've seen issues with disabling the service, or init scripts. But all scripts check /etc/X11/default-display-manager to see if they actually launch or not, so that is what I use.
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2300 [19:26:41] <somiaj> rocketmagnet: if apt-file has a full list of packages, and isn't finding it, it may not be in debian.
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2304 [19:27:17] <somiaj> rocketmagnet: I've searched p.d.o as well, there is no package which contains a file named 'uclogic-tools'
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2309 [19:29:18] <LtL> rk[ghost]: welcome
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2312 [19:31:14] <simpledat> How do I install a theme as a normal user?
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2314 [19:31:21] <simpledat> no root
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2317 [19:32:43] <NetTerminalGene> simpledat, create "~/.themes" folder and put the theme there
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2320 [19:34:25] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/home/nexi/.themes’: File exists
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2322 [19:34:48] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: So I moved the directory with theme to ~/.themes
2323 [19:35:06] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: But after that I cant find the theme in Appearance
2324 [19:35:15] <n4dir> where is greycat when you need him? I wanna see some uppercase cursing.
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2328 [19:38:12] <NetTerminalGene> simpledat, what other directory in ~/.themes?
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2330 [19:38:50] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: I simply run -> mv Bubble-Darker-Blue ~/.themes
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2333 [19:39:41] <NetTerminalGene> simpledat, i use .themes folder and it works for me. try different themes from gnome-look.org
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2338 [19:44:06] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: Yey i found it! But it says, This theme will not look as intended because the requied windows manager theme 'Toffe' is not installed.
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2341 [19:44:30] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: It has a question mark in Apperance Preferences -> Theme
2342 [19:44:40] <NetTerminalGene> cool
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2344 [19:44:51] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: Do you know why?
2345 [19:44:55] <NetTerminalGene> no
2346 [19:45:55] <NetTerminalGene> simpledat, do you mean shell theme?
2347 [19:46:07] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: no
2348 [19:46:24] <simpledat> GTK3 thems
2349 [19:46:33] <NetTerminalGene> dunno
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2352 [19:48:16] <simpledat> What is windows manager theme?
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2355 [19:49:19] <glaucom> wow
2356 [19:49:25] <glaucom> same problem in version 6 :(
2357 [19:50:59] <joepublic> I don't remember what the problem was. You have LibreOffice 6 working on armhf?
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2365 [19:54:02] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: What is a shell theme? Terminal theme?
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2367 [19:54:18] <glaucom> i installed on backports
2368 [19:54:23] <glaucom> no works transitions in slides
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2370 [19:54:52] <NetTerminalGene> simpledat, replaced-url
2371 [19:55:07] <joepublic> What you mean to say is that a file created and saved with Microsoft Powerpoint as a pptx does not convert perfectly such that the transitions work as they did on Powerpoint, right?
2372 [19:55:32] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: And what is this? replaced-url
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2374 [19:56:01] <NetTerminalGene> simpledat, look at "gnome shell themes" in gnome-look.org
2375 [19:56:07] <NetTerminalGene> you use gnome right?
2376 [19:56:17] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: debian+MATE
2377 [19:56:22] <NetTerminalGene> xD
2378 [19:56:23] <NetTerminalGene> ok
2379 [19:56:26] <NetTerminalGene> sorry
2380 [19:56:37] <simpledat> What?
2381 [19:56:39] <NetTerminalGene> nevermind then
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2383 [19:57:20] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: Do you mean that I should use GTK3 Themes for MATE?
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2387 [19:57:43] <simpledat> anyone who knows?
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2390 [19:58:11] <joepublic> glaucom, the complete, total, and correct answer to your problem is, I believe, on this page: replaced-url
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2392 [19:58:31] <glaucom> any closed my question in bug
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2395 [19:58:47] <glaucom> and say to update the lasted version ¬¬
2396 [19:58:57] <joepublic> which you have now done, right?
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2399 [20:00:04] <annadane> !tias
2400 [20:00:05] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
2401 [20:00:07] <annadane> simpledat, ^^^^^^^^^
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2404 [20:01:16] <simpledat> your distro might not ship a up to date version
2405 [20:01:25] <simpledat> So does debian come with up to date version?
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2407 [20:01:32] <simpledat> of gtk3
2408 [20:01:36] <annadane> if it's debian stable almost certainly not
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2410 [20:01:41] <annadane> slow down a bit, though
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2417 [20:05:10] <joepublic> Mate, being a fork of gnome 2, probably would be happier with GTK2 themes.
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2419 [20:05:53] <joepublic> debian stable does not come with "up to date" versions. That would be "debian up to date". It comes with stable versions. "Stable" and "up to date" are opposites.
2420 [20:06:45] <somiaj> joepublic: it has been a fork for quite a while, and I'm sure many apps it uses are gtk3, so I think there is a mix now.
2421 [20:07:13] <joepublic> Just theorizing about what it would probably be happier with (support the best).
2422 [20:07:18] <somiaj> goggle seems to verrify this, mate 1.18 was gtk3 only (though there still maybe some apps being used that are gtk2)
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2424 [20:09:11] <joepublic> As far as gtk3 goes, distrowatch claims that debian stretch provides 3.22.11 which is pretty close to what distrowatch says is the "up to date" version of 3.24.1
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2429 [20:10:55] <annadane> i've never been a fan of the whole "click here for online themes!"
2430 [20:11:15] <annadane> if anything go to reddit.com/r/unixporn and if not copy outright then learn how you can make your own
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2432 [20:12:00] <annadane> i'm sort of at the point where if the one i'm using doesn't have a sensible theme installed i just won't use it
2433 [20:12:27] <annadane> (xfce has adwaita-dark installed already, which i like)
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2436 [20:13:50] <annadane> also yeah debian has older software so not all these online themes are guaranteed to work properly
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2474 [20:44:56] <Iarfen> petn-randall: well, what I was asking was how to recover files that were inside Windows 10 under a different partition, but that partition now for some reason doesn't works properly
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2476 [20:45:40] <simpledat> Where can I find Settings -> Window Manager ?
2477 [20:45:45] <petn-randall> Iarfen: Define "doesn't works properly".
2478 [20:45:57] <Iarfen> petn-randall: I can access the files that were under it
2479 [20:46:03] <petn-randall> Iarfen: You need to describe the problems you're encountering, otherwise we can't help.
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2481 [20:46:24] <petn-randall> Iarfen: Sounds like the opposite of a problem.
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2484 [20:47:13] <Iarfen> petn-randall: I can't read the partition, it doesn't appears, but I haven't formatted it
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2492 [20:50:52] <simpledat> Can someone please help me? replaced-url
2493 [20:51:53] <towo`> afaik you need gnome-tweek-tool
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2496 [20:52:28] <simpledat> towo`: What can I do with gnome-tweek-tool? I use MATE.
2497 [20:53:09] <towo`> then why you link to a xfce-theme?
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2499 [20:54:41] <simpledat> towo`: I was thinking all GTK3 Themes worked for MATE, no?
2500 [20:54:56] <towo`> your linked thme is a gtk2 theme
2501 [20:55:11] <simpledat> Yeah
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2503 [20:55:29] <simpledat> I mean, both worked for MATE.
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2507 [20:59:25] <simpledat> replaced-url
2508 [20:59:41] <simpledat> So this will not work for MATE?
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2513 [21:02:29] <annadane> all this stuff is confusing
2514 [21:02:43] <annadane> because it's user submitted and generally not arranged very well
2515 [21:02:52] <annadane> like i said, i don't like online theme selector things
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2519 [21:04:34] <Ede|Popede> there should be a script around all this that even starts programs and arranges the windows, so that one can compare the shots and all relevant elements are visible
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2521 [21:05:06] <Ede|Popede> those 3 color bars in the selector aren't really helpful..
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2537 [21:18:41] <peaceguy> hi trysten sorry to bother you but you said you used pulse audio before to stream over the web can you please explain it to me
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2541 [21:21:33] <freestyle_coder> ohhhhh I get it
2542 [21:21:56] <freestyle_coder> Hexchat is not working because my company blocks the port
2543 [21:22:08] <freestyle_coder> now under education I get connected
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2545 [21:22:41] <rwp> Company firewalls are often a source of blockage.
2546 [21:23:18] <freestyle_coder> I don't understand that. Sometimes you have to chat with important developers for opensource ....
2547 [21:23:46] <somiaj> talk to your it about opening the port, or maybe setting up a port forward to open it just for freenode.
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2549 [21:24:10] <somiaj> It could be they close it for a speicifc reason, or it is just a blankent closing of ports.
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2552 [21:24:55] <freestyle_coder> anyhow, thank the guys for trying to help me. I was busy and afk. Sorry for that!
2553 [21:25:04] <hspcd_> Is there a kind of cache for Natilus? I was working with some USB sticks the other day and since then, opening Nautilus takes about 45 seconds. Also, file operations from the Gnome interface also take about that long (Eg. saving a screenshot). Wondering if Nautilus is trying to open a USB device that is no longer present for some reason. Running Debian stable.
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2556 [21:25:29] <rwp> There are also https web based chat clients. They probably won't block the web site.
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2558 [21:26:00] <freestyle_coder> yeahh, I was connected under webchat, but webbrowser is for something else. :)
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2560 [21:26:39] <acidtripper> Hi
2561 [21:26:40] <acidtripper> there
2562 [21:26:49] <acidtripper> i cant remember the fix for chromium + netflix
2563 [21:26:56] <acidtripper> somebody remember
2564 [21:27:00] <acidtripper> which was the issue?
2565 [21:27:13] <somiaj> hspcd_: have you cleanly unmounted the usb drive (or does your machine still think it is connected?)
2566 [21:27:19] <peaceguy> hi cool name
2567 [21:27:46] <somiaj> hspcd_: I don't think nautilus will explicity recall, look for it, unless your machine still thinks it is connected if you didn't cleanly unmount it. Look at the output of 'mount'
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2569 [21:29:39] <hspcd_> I've rebooted since then so there should be no stale mounts
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2572 [21:30:33] <hspcd_> I tried launching nautilus from the CLI and no errors but it takes 45 seconds to open. Afterwards it's quick to navigate but if I try to save a screenshot or open a file from a GUI app, it takes 10 seconds or so to get the file save view to open.
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2575 [21:32:27] <acidtripper> nobody remember? was a simple fix
2576 [21:32:34] <acidtripper> not related to widevine
2577 [21:32:41] <acidtripper> to watch netflix on chromium
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2580 [21:33:44] <somiaj> I think there is a package to try to install widevine from chrome into chroimum, I just use google-chrome for netflix.
2581 [21:33:58] <somiaj> ,v chromium-widevine
2582 [21:33:59] <judd> Package: chromium-widevine on amd64 -- stretch/contrib: 69.0.3497.92-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates/contrib: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-security/contrib: 71.0.3578.80-1~deb9u1
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2586 [21:34:52] <acidtripper> i have widevine installed
2587 [21:34:55] <acidtripper> but problem continue
2588 [21:35:37] <somiaj> I dont' have any experience with integrating widevine with chromium, I just installed google-chrome since it is prebundled
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2590 [21:35:54] <somiaj> try looking in /usr/share/doc/chromium-widevine or double checking things.
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2593 [21:37:04] <acidtripper> there was a fix hangining around
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2595 [21:37:11] <acidtripper> i cant remember but was another package
2596 [21:37:13] <acidtripper> gl maybe
2597 [21:37:15] <acidtripper> :/
2598 [21:37:18] <acidtripper> cat remember it
2599 [21:37:20] <acidtripper> cant
2600 [21:37:23] <annadane> !enter
2601 [21:37:23] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
2602 [21:39:02] <acidtripper> annadane: any idea about the problem, or you'r a gramatical bot?
2603 [21:39:13] <somiaj> check the bug reports, you shouldn't need another package besides chromium-widevine (or that package should pull in the necessary depends) to work. If not, it is a bug.
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2607 [21:39:57] <hspcd_> I think I may have found the issue somiaj:
2608 [21:40:22] <somiaj> I don't see any bug reports for chromium-widevine. So it maybe a configuration issue vs an issue with the package.
2609 [21:40:26] <hspcd_> rsmith 32643 1355 0 13:23 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-trash --spawner :1.17 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/830
2610 [21:40:36] <hspcd_> There are 945 of these processes running
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2614 [21:41:02] <hspcd_> rsmith@apollyon:~/bin$ ps -ef | grep gvfs | wc -l
2615 [21:41:04] <hspcd_> 945
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2617 [21:41:09] <acidtripper> somiaj: there's a package missing as i know but can't remember which one
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2620 [21:41:51] <hspcd_> I think is related to the fact that I deleted a lot of data on a USB stick and then removed it abruptly
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2622 [21:41:58] <hspcd_> So, how does one correct this?
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2624 [21:42:09] <somiaj> acidtripper: If there is, file a bug reprort. Since I don't see any bug reports on this, or any recommended/suggested packages on the chromium-widevine package, I doubt there is one missing.
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2626 [21:42:34] <somiaj> hspcd_: Ahh so something to do with its trash collection (as opposed to deleting files)
2627 [21:42:43] <acidtripper> somiaj: i'll check it and let you know later
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2632 [21:43:29] <somiaj> hspcd_: replaced-url
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2636 [21:46:44] <hspcd_> Right
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2644 [21:50:32] <hspcd_> I'm going to give that a whirl somiaj:
2645 [21:50:42] <kaste> Hi, I have put off a systemd migration of a debian 8 for a while because it lives in an openvz and I am rather afraid that making a mistake will leave me with an unbootable system
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2647 [21:51:14] <kaste> I have now taken heart and charge ahead, alas this page replaced-url
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2650 [21:51:27] <kaste> did this package get removed/replace/change names?
2651 [21:52:02] <acidtripper> kase, to which mirror are you pointing?
2652 [21:52:06] <acidtripper> deb 8 or 9?
2653 [21:52:31] <kaste> replaced-url
2654 [21:52:34] <kaste> sorry
2655 [21:52:56] <somiaj> ,v systemd-sys
2656 [21:52:57] <judd> No package named 'systemd-sys' was found in amd64.
2657 [21:53:00] <kaste> so yeah, generally jessie
2658 [21:53:01] <somiaj> ,v systemd-sysv
2659 [21:53:02] <judd> Package: systemd-sysv on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 232-25+deb9u6; stretch-backports: 239-12~bpo9+1; buster: 239-13; sid: 239-15
2660 [21:53:37] <somiaj> kaste: care to share the output of 'apt policy' at paste.debian.net?
2661 [21:53:54] <kaste> invalid operation policy
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2663 [21:54:25] <somiaj> kaste: apt-cache policy
2664 [21:54:39] <somiaj> I thought jessie had apt, and apt policy, oh well, maybe I'm too use to stretch, apt-cache policy should work.
2665 [21:55:03] <kaste> it does
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2668 [21:55:21] <kaste> there are a bunch of pinned packages around systemd that I don't remember pinning
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2670 [21:55:29] <kaste> where would that be persisted in the config?
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2675 [21:57:01] <kaste> replaced-url
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2678 [21:58:16] <kaste> Ok, that seems to be the problem
2679 [21:58:21] <kaste> thanks, very good hint
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2682 [21:59:48] <roger_roger_new> hello - i'm running debian 9 on a proxmox vm and getting this:
2683 [21:59:56] <roger_roger_new> kernel:[32763.599540] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 22s! [freeswitch:5169]
2684 [21:59:58] <kaste> hm, Ok I should have read further
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2687 [22:00:19] <kaste> The Openvz kernel is 2.6.32, can I still go sysv ->systemd?
2688 [22:00:33] <kaste> here it says If you run a self-compiled kernel, make sure you have 2.6.39 or newer and enable the following options:
2689 [22:00:42] <roger_roger_new> i have many other VMs running the same version but only that one is getting the error - it is running freeswitch
2690 [22:00:48] <kaste> Since the kernel is provided by the hoster, I have no way of updating it
2691 [22:01:08] <hyperlumic> That's one of the issues with OpenVZ.
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2696 [22:02:34] <somiaj> kaste: if the hosts kernel doens't support features needed for systemd, you won't be able to use it. I would talk to your host.
2697 [22:03:18] <somiaj> !proxmox
2698 [22:03:19] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
2699 [22:03:53] <roger_roger_new> dpkg - the error is being throw by a VM that is running on proxmox
2700 [22:03:54] <dpkg> roger_roger_new: what are you talking about?
2701 [22:04:13] <roger_roger_new> i periodically get that error message
2702 [22:04:22] <roger_roger_new> the vm is debian
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2704 [22:05:03] <somiaj> roger_roger_new: we don't really support proxmox here, and so it is unsure if the debian you are running on this vm is pure, or needs additoinal proxmox modules/options to run on a proxmox host. You may want to ask in ##proxmox to be safe.
2705 [22:05:24] <somiaj> it could be that even though your vm is pure debian, the issue is integrating it with the proxmox host
2706 [22:05:36] <roger_roger_new> it isn't a proxmox container - it is a proxmox VM
2707 [22:05:41] <roger_roger_new> yes
2708 [22:05:49] <somiaj> then it is not debian, it is proxmox, so go ask in ##proxmox
2709 [22:06:06] <somiaj> oh wait, sorry, yea it is debian, but the issue could be integrating with the proxmox host.
2710 [22:06:27] <roger_roger_new> however, i have many VMs that are also running the same version of deb 9 without that issue
2711 [22:06:28] <somiaj> Anyways, I don't know the answer, ##proxmox may have people who do. If someone else recoginzes that error, they may speak up and point you somehwere.
2712 [22:06:51] <somiaj> since this is a new vm, could you recreate it, or copy one that is working and start from there?
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2714 [22:07:10] <roger_roger_new> i just built a new one
2715 [22:07:30] <roger_roger_new> previous iterations were running jessie
2716 [22:08:11] <somiaj> has google given you any useful hits from that error?
2717 [22:08:18] <roger_roger_new> not really
2718 [22:08:28] <somiaj> I don't really have a solution, but can try to talk though some toruble shooting.
2719 [22:08:30] <roger_roger_new> google was my first stop
2720 [22:08:47] <somiaj> can you compare the configuration of this vm to one that is working fine, and notice any difference.
2721 [22:08:50] <roger_roger_new> i don't know how to trigger it - seems to pop up when it wants to
2722 [22:09:01] <kaste> Thanks, I guess that's the end of it then. They will tell me to migrate to a KVM based option, which I will happily do, but it will take a while
2723 [22:09:01] <apollo13> kaste: if you hoster uses openvz you should have switched years ago :d
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2725 [22:09:11] <kaste> They don't use it anymore
2726 [22:09:24] <kaste> They just left the folks running who ordered it years ago
2727 [22:09:38] <kaste> And it had nice conditions to the deal, so I was happy to keep it
2728 [22:09:54] <roger_roger_new> somiaj - previous version are running fine but they are on debian 8
2729 [22:10:16] <somiaj> roger_roger_new: so it is something with the debian 9 kernel then?
2730 [22:10:18] <kaste> So I guess If I want to convert, I will have to take the hit and move to KVM
2731 [22:10:36] <apollo13> roger_roger_new: what is freeswitch?
2732 [22:10:41] <towo`> roger_roger_new, try a newer kernel
2733 [22:10:46] <roger_roger_new> sip
2734 [22:10:55] <roger_roger_new> i'm on the latest
2735 [22:11:02] <apollo13> roger_roger_new: and you are running that on the proxmox host or in a vm in there?
2736 [22:11:25] <roger_roger_new> it is a vm on proxmox, not a container
2737 [22:11:29] <towo`> roger_roger_new, which is?
2738 [22:11:31] <petn-randall> Iarfen: Right. And know you used photorec to restore files. Anything else you need?
2739 [22:11:55] <roger_roger_new> 4.9.0-8-amd64
2740 [22:12:08] <towo`> roger_roger_new, try the backports kernel
2741 [22:12:10] <petn-randall> s/know/now/
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2745 [22:13:16] <roger_roger_new> towo` - i'm more tempted to go back to deb 8
2746 [22:13:30] <roger_roger_new> than to try backports
2747 [22:13:33] <towo`> roger_roger_new, you gan even try to boot with nmi_watchdog=0
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2749 [22:13:52] <somiaj> yea seems like some feature the newer kenrel wants is not on the host, so unsure why a newer kernel would help if the older kernel works, but the newr one doens't
2750 [22:13:52] <towo`> roger_roger_new, what is the poblem with backports?
2751 [22:14:08] <somiaj> but it is worth checking, also maybe disabling the feature which is causing the problem.
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2756 [22:15:18] <apollo13> somiaj: mhm, that is always something I wondered, how much is kvm dependant on what the host kernel can do?
2757 [22:15:21] <roger_roger_new> i wish i knew exactly what feature was causing it
2758 [22:16:10] <apollo13> I fully understand that containers depend on host kernel features and also stuff like openvz, but kvm?
2759 [22:16:28] <hyperlumic> KVM runs its own kernel.
2760 [22:16:29] <roger_roger_new> this is kvm, not containers
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2764 [22:17:21] <apollo13> hyperlumic: yes, I am aware of that; hence me asking why somiaj thinks features would be missing
2765 [22:17:56] <somiaj> the host still emulates the hardware.
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2767 [22:18:07] <somiaj> well a combination of emulates/passthrough.
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2769 [22:18:41] <roger_roger_new> towo`- the problem with backports (for me) is that i am building this for production... if deb 8 gives me a more stable environment, then i would probably do that
2770 [22:18:42] <apollo13> well I guess when we talk features here we mostly talk cpu features which are basically passthrough with vt-d, no?
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2774 [22:20:01] <apollo13> roger_roger_new: do you have no trace in dmesg on where it locked up?
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2777 [22:20:50] <somiaj> roger_roger_new: note deb 8 is not longer support (Though the lts team will support some server side software for a few more years) -- that is one thing to consider.
2778 [22:20:54] <roger_roger_new> starting to look through that now
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2780 [22:21:30] <roger_roger_new> somiaj - understood, but i'd rather have unsupported os than an os that locks up
2781 [22:21:34] <somiaj> apollo13: sure, most the cpu stuff is pass through, but other stuff needs to be enulated, like acpi, disks, network, etc.
2782 [22:21:53] <somiaj> roger_roger_new: well it is supported, just by the debian-lts team, and only some software is, so you may want to be aware of what software still gets security support.
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2784 [22:22:33] <somiaj> looking into the nwi watchdog, seems like some interupt is causing problems, and the watchdog is reporting it, there should be a way to get more info on what it is reporting.
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2789 [22:24:12] <somiaj> roger_roger_new: you could try disabiling acip in the guest, acpi=off noacpi nolapci
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2792 [22:24:48] <roger_roger_new> i think i'm going to go to the gym and work off my frustration and then dig in later
2793 [22:24:58] <apollo13> one rather sure way to get more info is letting the kernel panic on nmi watchdog errors :D
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2807 [22:32:11] <hspcd_> somiaj: A reboot clears out the 900+ gvfsd-trash processes but doesn't fix the 45 second delay opening Nautilus, etc. I installed the cli tools for trash and they hang when trying to use them (trash-list).
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2809 [22:32:57] <hspcd_> System load climbs steadily until it's astronomical (900+ !) Right now I'm about five minutes post boot and it's above 11
2810 [22:33:39] <hspcd_> My system is up to 11 of these processes: /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-trash --spawner :1.17 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/1
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2813 [22:34:53] <somiaj> hspcd_: that link had some directories you could manually delete, maybe all the data is there and there is a lot of it.
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2816 [22:36:32] <hspcd_> There's nothing in those directories
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2818 [22:38:21] <somiaj> I also read of an option to disable natuiluss trash collection, and just have it delete files and not trash them. Maybe try turning that off?
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2821 [22:39:24] <jhutchins_wk> Ah, the joys of gnome.
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2823 [22:40:03] <hspcd_> I'll try that somiaj:
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2833 [22:43:22] <hspcd_> This is a hassle! :)
2834 [22:43:40] <hspcd_> Should have gone with XFCE
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2836 [22:43:52] <somiaj> Sounds like it. I don't use file managers, so really I'm just guessing in the dark here.
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2838 [22:44:37] <hspcd_> This is just eating my system up
2839 [22:44:49] <hspcd_> How do you not use a file manager?
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2841 [22:45:12] <somiaj> I use shells, xterm + bash, ls, mv, cp, rm, are sufficent enough for my needs.
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2844 [22:47:09] <hals> I just installed Debian Testing from the 12-10-18 netinst release. The graphical install went fine, but now it boots into a blank screen. What do?
2845 [22:47:33] <phogg> hspcd_: until about 2004 or so there were basically no Linux GUI file managers which didn't suck. Maybe gmc, depending. A lot of people learned to manage files from bash out of self defense.
2846 [22:48:08] <somiaj> hals: I would first disable your dislay manager, you might need to boot into a recovery concsole to do so, or see if hitting ctrl-alt-f2 gets you a command prompt
2847 [22:48:11] <somiaj> !nodm
2848 [22:48:11] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
2849 [22:48:13] <hspcd_> I love the shell as much as anyone, but I like pointy-clicky too
2850 [22:48:56] <somiaj> hspcd_: I just find file managers point/clicky not worth my time, I do like guis for some things, manging files is not one of them.
2851 [22:48:58] <phogg> hspcd_: I used to be like you. Now I only use GUI file managers for fun, to see what they're like. It's literally been years since I used one in earnest.
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2853 [22:49:25] <somiaj> thumbnails for large collection of pictures is about the only reason I see to use them, and in that case I use a image viewer feh with thumbnails.
2854 [22:49:25] <hals> somiaj: I didn't install a display manager. I only selected "base utilities" and "print server".
2855 [22:49:43] <hals> And it won't drop me into a TTY.
2856 [22:49:45] <somiaj> hals: hmm, then i'm unsure what the problem could be. Do you see anything before it goes black? What video card do you have?
2857 [22:49:54] <phogg> back when I used Windows I was a huge file manager jockey. Power Explorer was my go-to choice. It wasn't until endeavour2 came around that Linux had something as good as that.
2858 [22:50:23] <phogg> hspcd_: these days pcmanfm is a solidly recommendable option
2859 [22:50:29] <somiaj> hspcd_: anyways, I got off topic, hope you figure out what nautlius is doing with trash and can get it back to working nicely for you.
2860 [22:50:39] <hspcd_> Been working with Linux on the desktop since 2005... Not a Jedi so hoping for some smarter than I folks here to help with this issue because I cannot seem to find out what the root cause of these hundreds of /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-trash --spawner :1.17 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/63 proccesses are. :)
2861 [22:50:53] <hals> somiaj: Only something about /dev/sda3 being clean.
2862 [22:51:19] <hspcd_> running an lsof | grep gvfsd-trash to see if I can find what process might be related to this but that hangs too
2863 [22:51:22] <somiaj> I was just pointing out that I don't really know much about nautlius or filemanagers.
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2865 [22:51:34] <hspcd_> I know and I appreciate your help somiaj :)
2866 [22:51:37] <somiaj> hals: what video card is on that system? Maybe you need to disable modesetting.
2867 [22:52:04] <hals> I'm pretty sure it's not my video card because it was running fine a couple of days ago. I'm moving from Devuan to Debian Testing because Devuan's packages are outdated and Beowulf doesn't work well (according to their IRC channel).
2868 [22:52:14] <phogg> hspcd_: I can also endorse Dolphin if you don't mind KDE tools, also XFE is nice
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2870 [22:52:18] <hals> Should I try the weekly release of Debian Testing?
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2872 [22:52:35] <hspcd_> phogg: Yep, good stuff but I have to find the cause of this issue and resolve it first.
2873 [22:52:41] <jhutchins_wk> RedHat is deprecating KDE.
2874 [22:52:44] <somiaj> hals: it could be some modesetting issue with your video card, so hence, if i knew what video card you have I could better suggest how to disable modesetting.
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2876 [22:52:53] <phogg> hspcd_: I wish you luck. I am not familiar with current GNOME foibles, sorry.
2877 [22:52:54] <hspcd_> Here's the state now: 16:52:40 up 25 min, 1 user, load average: 104.46, 81.74, 48.36
2878 [22:53:01] <hals> It's an old one, I think the default for the Thinkpad T400.
2879 [22:53:07] <hspcd_> Take a gander at that load ave!
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2881 [22:53:10] <somiaj> hals: I personally suggest using debian stable + backports, not the weekly testing snapshto.
2882 [22:53:32] <jhutchins_wk> hals: Likely to be video drivers.
2883 [22:53:35] <hals> somiaj: Does it have the latest Emacs?
2884 [22:53:45] <somiaj> hals: intel? radeon? nvidia? Anyways, you could try to boot with some of these paramters, replaced-url
2885 [22:53:51] <hals> It's Intel.
2886 [22:53:59] <somiaj> hals: no debian has the latest emacs (26), but it does have emacs 25
2887 [22:54:01] <somiaj> ,v emacs25
2888 [22:54:02] <judd> Package: emacs25 on amd64 -- stretch: 25.1+1-4+deb9u1; stretch-security: 25.1+1-4+deb9u1; buster: 1:25.2+1-11; sid: 1:25.2+1-11
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2890 [22:54:05] <somiaj> ,v emacs26
2891 [22:54:06] <judd> No package named 'emacs26' was found in amd64.
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2893 [22:54:26] <hals> That's a big part of why I'm moving away from Devuan.
2894 [22:54:28] <somiaj> hals: try to boot with nomodeset i915.modeset=0.
2895 [22:55:03] <hals> Debian Testing doesn't have Emacs 26?
2896 [22:55:18] <somiaj> no debian has emacs 26
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2898 [22:55:28] <somiaj> the matainers haven't made a package for sid yet
2899 [22:55:35] <hals> That's fucked up. Well, time to look at a different distro.
2900 [22:55:40] <jhutchins_wk> hals: If the problem is testing specific, you can ask about it in #debian-next on oftc.net
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2903 [22:56:16] <somiaj> !next
2904 [22:56:16] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
2905 [22:56:32] <hspcd_> Anybody know if I will run into issues if I move from Gnome to XFCE?
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2907 [22:56:44] <hspcd_> dpkg: LOL
2908 [22:56:44] <dpkg> If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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2910 [22:57:04] <somiaj> hspcd_: you shouldn't.
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2914 [22:57:33] <jhutchins_wk> hspcd_: You'll probably be happier. There are a few missing features, and bugs don't get fixed very quickly, but it's a functional desktop that doesn't get in your way.
2915 [22:57:41] <hspcd_> I found running killall gvfsd-trash removes all of the spawned processes and my load ave is now down to 24.50
2916 [22:57:44] <phogg> the lol factoid seems a bit dated
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2918 [22:58:01] <jhutchins_wk> phogg: Which one?
2919 [22:58:04] <somiaj> yea, like a lot of the factoids, #debian has been around a long time.
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2921 [22:58:07] <somiaj> the lol one.
2922 [22:58:14] <phogg> jhutchins_wk: the above one we just saw: lol
2923 [22:58:23] <hspcd_> yeah, LOL!
2924 [22:58:29] <phogg> It's hard to sound like an AOL user any more.
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2926 [22:58:44] <hspcd_> Oldies here will know BOFH as well
2927 [22:58:59] <watchcat> "no, u" works pretty well.
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2929 [22:59:19] <somiaj> even this is dated, replaced-url
2930 [22:59:28] <jhutchins_wk> phogg: Probably should be updated to "twitter user".
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2932 [22:59:41] <hspcd_> hmmm. Now the load is climbing again and a check shows a couple dozen gvfsd-trash --spawner processes now running again.
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2934 [22:59:54] <phogg> jhutchins_wk: got to keep up with the times!
2935 [23:00:11] <somiaj> gvfsd isn't directly related to nautilus, it so it is something it is doing, and I guess nautilus is only slow because of it.
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2937 [23:01:01] <hspcd_> So lsof hangs. And trash-list hangs. Any ideas on how to find the culprit for spawning hundreds of these processes?
2938 [23:01:01] <somiaj> hspcd_: lots of google hits about gvfsd-trash spawning to many times, maybe this will ehlp, replaced-url
2939 [23:01:22] <hspcd_> I looked there too somiaj but a lot of it is not really helpful.
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2943 [23:03:12] <hspcd_> And... lots of those articles are years old :(
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2947 [23:04:43] <somiaj> well keep digging, I'm sure you can find a solution out there somewhere. But seems like gvfsd is confused.
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2951 [23:06:18] <phogg> hspcd_: what have you already tries? What are the parent pids (is it always init)? Did you try removing executability of the -trash file as a temporary workaround?
2952 [23:06:22] <phogg> s/tries/tried
2953 [23:06:53] <watchcat> from my notes: ## fix problem with luks volumes not closing: sudo rm /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-metadata
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2955 [23:07:22] <watchcat> dunno if it will help your problem though.
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2960 [23:08:41] <somiaj> watchcat: ugg, what a terrible place to put metadata
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2962 [23:09:20] <phogg> why would anything write metadata under /usr?
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2965 [23:09:47] <somiaj> well its gnome, so I'm not surprised.
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2972 [23:11:46] <lilith93> I have an external HDD Western digital. When I make a rsync or copy data my system is sometimes freezing for a short while. Can this be due to a disabled HDD cache or something?
2973 [23:12:05] <lilith93> Also there are drop out in the audio without any xruns though
2974 [23:12:08] <Ede|Popede> that's actual the binary
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2976 [23:12:32] <hspcd_> phogg: I am trying to find the culprit now. I have used the gvfsd-trash --empty -f command to no good effect
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2979 [23:12:58] <somiaj> lilith93: do you know if this is over usb2 or usb3?
2980 [23:13:04] <hspcd_> Just fired up gnome system monitor and it's hung after clicking on File Systems
2981 [23:13:21] <lilith93> somiaj: It's usb 3 port but a usb 2 HDD
2982 [23:13:23] <phogg> hspcd_: use ps instead
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2984 [23:13:35] <phogg> hspcd_: what are you trying to see?
2985 [23:13:36] <hspcd_> Pretty much any GUI tool that access the disks hangs
2986 [23:13:48] <phogg> hspcd_: that's because gvfsd is freaking out
2987 [23:13:50] <Ede|Popede> but yeah, metadata. in wheezy it hammered my disk, recreating logfiles in .local/whereever (bug reports/help requests exist more than enough on the web), now it won't take it hands off partitions i want to unmount. open one jpeg with something gtk based and you have to kill the process.
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2989 [23:14:09] <somiaj> lilith93: well linux will cache the copy at the start, and once it is full start trying to write it, it could be due to usb2 slow speeds that it gets to a point it needs the write to catch up.
2990 [23:14:21] <phogg> Ede|Popede: sheesh, that's obnoxious!
2991 [23:14:25] <hspcd_> Trying to see what process is spawning all of these child processes
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2993 [23:14:30] <hspcd_> ps -ef | grep gvfsd-trash | wc -l
2994 [23:14:39] <hspcd_> shows 68 processes running, and climbing
2995 [23:14:45] <phogg> hspcd_: ps -C gvfsd-trash -o ppid,args
2996 [23:14:50] <murii> can someone help me out with this log from postfix?
2997 [23:14:52] <murii> replaced-url
2998 [23:14:54] <hspcd_> Right, so I need to figure out why gvfsd is freaking out
2999 [23:14:56] <murii> I'm going insane
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3001 [23:15:19] <lilith93> somiaj: I have found these in dmesg: [sdc] Asking for cache data failed & [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through ... maybe it points to the problem?
3002 [23:15:25] <murii> I cannot see any mails sent from gmail but it seems like gmail sent them looking at that paste
3003 [23:15:26] <somiaj> lilith93: I haven't tried this, but aparentally there is a nocache command that can tell the copy to not use the cache, replaced-url
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3005 [23:15:34] <hspcd_> phogg: Thanks. They are all running under PID 1314
3006 [23:15:40] <phogg> hspcd_: while IFS= read -r pid ; do ps -p "$pid" -o pid,args ; done < <(ps -C gvfsd-trash -o ppid=) # see PID and command of each parent
3007 [23:16:00] <phogg> hspcd_: is that, by any chance, your GNOME session pid?
3008 [23:16:07] <hspcd_> Lemme see
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3010 [23:16:17] <lilith93> <somiaj: I also wonder why this is not seen in high RAM or CPU usage... everything is normal, except of the freezes.... thanks I check the link
3011 [23:16:31] <somiaj> lilith93: replaced-url
3012 [23:16:42] <phogg> stuff like this is why I don't use GNOME. Dunno why I'm torturing myself by looking in to it
3013 [23:16:49] <hspcd_> 1314 1 0 16:27 ? 00:00:00 /lib/systemd/systemd --user
3014 [23:17:00] <somiaj> well cache isn't reported fully in ram ussage, make sure you are reading free correclty, usually most of your free ram is already cached, so you may not see it there.
3015 [23:17:01] <hspcd_> I appreciate it phogg: :)
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3017 [23:17:14] <phogg> hspcd_: aha, now I'm out. Guess: systemd has some kind of "unit file" which is set to spawn or re-spawn gvfsd-trash. Good luck.
3018 [23:17:22] <Ede|Popede> phogg: making the world a better place just a little bit for some people :)
3019 [23:17:50] <hspcd_> Waaa!
3020 [23:18:20] <somiaj> lilith93: but if it were me, I would try to rsync/copy the data without using cache and see if that helps, if it doens't, that means the copy process is filling your usb bus with the copy trying to push more through than the usb2 can handel, thus causing your system to wait for some writes to make it through before allowing other things to do work.
3021 [23:18:34] <somiaj> lilith93: But I don't know the internals that well, this is just my nieve understanding.
3022 [23:18:39] <phogg> hspcd_: "Why is gvfsd-trash acting weird" is kind of an interesting problem to me, but "in what way is systemd misconfigured" is not. Super not. Maybe someone else will like it.
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3024 [23:19:12] <lilith93> <somiaj>: I see... I'm using also a RT kernel...
3025 [23:19:16] <hspcd_> It's seriously fubar'd
3026 [23:19:29] <hspcd_> This is the kind if shizzle that makes me wonder why I love Linux
3027 [23:19:48] <hspcd_> All I did was delete a bunch of files from a USB stick and remove it (un)nicely!
3028 [23:19:51] <hspcd_> Sheez
3029 [23:20:00] <hspcd_> Now my baby is hosed
3030 [23:20:04] <Ede|Popede> because there's hope for improvement. and usually it happens.
3031 [23:20:24] <hspcd_> We're a bunch of people running on hope my man!
3032 [23:20:42] <Ede|Popede> 23:20:42 up 77 days, 5:39, 3 users, load average: 0.31, 0.45, 0.50
3033 [23:20:58] <Ede|Popede> 77 hours were MUCH before i switched to stretch :)
3034 [23:21:12] <hspcd_> This is one time where I'll say "I wish mine looked like yours" :) 17:21:05 up 53 min, 1 user, load average: 107.99, 85.91, 62.22
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3036 [23:21:42] <peaceguy> lol
3037 [23:21:54] <peaceguy> 23:21:46 up 5:53, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.09, 0.11
3038 [23:21:56] <Ede|Popede> i guess they fixed something in the kernel. no more 50+°C, no more 23s stuck, no more SysRq, no more daily reboots.
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3040 [23:22:23] <somiaj> sounds like you need to reboot to get on a secure kernel.
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3043 [23:22:40] <somiaj> (there have been multiple kernel security updates in the last 77 days)
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3045 [23:23:37] <hspcd_> How do I share a screenshot on this joint? Pastebin?
3046 [23:23:48] <peaceguy> imgur
3047 [23:23:50] <somiaj> yea, something like imgur or another image pastebin
3048 [23:24:12] <Ede|Popede> ,v linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64
3049 [23:24:13] <judd> Package: linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64 on amd64 -- stretch-security: 4.9.110-3+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9.130-2; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9.135-1
3050 [23:24:17] <somiaj> preferablly one that dones't give me tons of adds to see yoru imagee
3051 [23:24:48] <Ede|Popede> hm. the last .deb here is linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64_4.9.130-2_amd64.deb
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3053 [23:25:00] <somiaj> Ede|Popede: uname -a, what kernel are yo uactually runnign?
3054 [23:25:15] <Ede|Popede> Linux tardis 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u4 (2018-08-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux
3055 [23:25:29] <Ede|Popede> oh :D
3056 [23:25:30] <somiaj> that is 4.9.110-3 not 4.9.130-2
3057 [23:25:46] <phogg> hspcd_: there's your problem: If you delete files with gvfs it will actually try to put them in trash (a dotfile in the root of the mount point).
3058 [23:26:02] <phogg> hspcd_: the removal of the disk has interfered with this process somehow
3059 [23:26:16] <hspcd_> So here's systemd-cgls output where trash is... replaced-url
3060 [23:26:24] <phogg> hspcd_: try bypassing trash, or delete-them-empty, and then remove the disk
3061 [23:26:26] <Ede|Popede> why have the names to be that long :/
3062 [23:26:30] <somiaj> so how do we get gvfsd to forget about those files, deleting the metadata sounded like a good solution (despite it is stored in a bad spot)
3063 [23:26:50] <hspcd_> ah!
3064 [23:26:54] <phogg> somiaj: someone said that spot is actually a metadata-related binary, not a cache
3065 [23:26:54] <hspcd_> Let me look there
3066 [23:26:57] <somiaj> Ede|Popede: what names? debian version are upstreamversion-debianrevision-securitypatches
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3068 [23:27:21] <somiaj> phogg: hmm, I searched for that file in packages.debian.org and didn't find it provided by any package.
3069 [23:27:24] <phogg> hspcd_: does gvfsd seem to have data in /var? What about in a dotfile in $HOME?
3070 [23:27:35] <phogg> somiaj: Okay. I could be mistaken.
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3073 [23:28:31] <somiaj> well there is a gvfsd-metadata binary, but the file that was mentioned was /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-metadata, which was in a lib dir, not a bin dir.
3074 [23:28:33] <hspcd_> I found a couple of dirs under /media/username/ that were related to one of the USB sticks I was using the other day. Just rm -fr'd them
3075 [23:28:58] <somiaj> maybe man gvfsd-metadata will tell you where it stores a cache of the data
3076 [23:28:59] <hspcd_> nothing related in /var or $HOME
3077 [23:29:03] <Ede|Popede> somiaj: yea, with a lot of numbers in them. btw, both versions have ctime of 11/10 and 10/11 respectively.
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3079 [23:29:41] <hspcd_> That's helpful phogg: and somiaj:
3080 [23:29:51] <somiaj> hmm seems there is alos a $HOME/.local/share/gvfs-metadata file too
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3082 [23:30:10] <hspcd_> delete that file?
3083 [23:30:21] * phogg is stabbing in the dark here, no system running GNOME to test with
3084 [23:30:32] <somiaj> maybe, unsure where gvfsd is storing the cache to tell it to look for some dotfile in the usbdrive you removed.
3085 [23:30:34] <phogg> hspcd_: might cause some chaos for running instances if you do
3086 [23:30:45] <hspcd_> That's a dir
3087 [23:30:55] <hspcd_> There are files under that dir owned by me and root
3088 [23:31:01] <hspcd_> perhaps I remove them or rename them
3089 [23:31:04] <somiaj> here is a test, create a new user, see if things work normally under that new user, if so the issue is something in $HOME
3090 [23:31:11] <hspcd_> Good idear
3091 [23:31:11] <somiaj> you could backup/remane things to track it down after that
3092 [23:31:20] <somiaj> if a new user done'st fix the issue, it is a system setting/cache
3093 [23:31:24] <hspcd_> Gotta run guys. Will circle back on this later and let me know
3094 [23:31:29] <hspcd_> you know...
3095 [23:31:31] <hspcd_> getting old
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3101 [23:33:03] <Ede|Popede> logfile(/cache?) is in ~/.local/share/gvfs-metadata - at least *my* problem with that other partition is that it keeps a handle on in. reason may be that i'm playing around with it, creating a fake home there, so there's also that directory doubled. but used by the same running instance.
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3105 [23:34:14] <Ede|Popede> btw, logging out (i do it seldom) from xfce is also a problem, some daemons won't get stopped. can see them in htop in a tty surviving the logout. may be related.
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3108 [23:35:24] <lilith93> <somiaj>: In your link they write: The bs blocksize option must be set to a reasonably large value since to minimize the number of physical disk operations dd must perform, since reads/writes are no longer cached and too many small direct operations can result in a serious slowdown.
3109 [23:35:35] <Ede|Popede> hspcd_: deleting files may not help, it disappears from the directory, but as long as a process keeps it open is still is there
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3112 [23:36:02] <lilith93> <somiaj> So, when copying without caching it slows down the system?
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3114 [23:36:55] <somiaj> lilith93: maybe it is your RT kernel, but sounds like filling your usb2 bus is causing your system to wait do to the io load before doing anything else. Maybe you want to limit the speed of the transfer, rsync has the ability to slow down transfer speed
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3116 [23:37:42] <lilith93> <somiaj>: Ok, I check that.
3117 [23:37:46] <lilith93> thanks
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3120 [23:38:19] <somiaj> maybe the --bwlimit will slow it down enough to allow it to work
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3160 [23:55:30] <lilith93> <somiaj>: I found the nocache option (replaced-url
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3170 [23:59:56] <idlemind> Is there a way to list all of the packages available from a repository w/o installing a system, adding the repo and using "apt" at the cli (like a python script or something in fedora)?
3171 [23:59:59] <idlemind> the repo is: deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
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