• 0[00:00:01] <karlpinc> AkQ: Make his home directory be /var/replaced-url
• 1[00:00:11] <AkQ> karlpinc: what should i google to find a guide about how to create a regular account for that purpose?
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• 4[00:00:35] <karlpinc> AkQ: "man adduser" Set the shell if you must.
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• 7[00:01:40] <AkQ> well i have an user already soo how do i set him to be able write to only that one folder?
• 8[00:01:45] <karlpinc> AkQ: He will be able to read stuff that any ordinary user can read, but not write to anything he should not be able to write to. That's what happens when you create a regular, plain, user.
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• 11[00:03:25] <karlpinc> AkQ: Unless you give him a home directory somewhere he'll only be able to write to places where he has permission to write. Aside from his home directory this would be places like /tmp/ and /var/tmp/. If you don't trust him to write to, say, /tmp/ then you should'nt be trusting him to write to the disk at all.
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• 17[00:04:36] <karlpinc> AkQ: If you make his home directory the document root of his domain (in, say, /var/replaced-url
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• 19[00:04:44] <Azrael_-> JPT: ok, now i learned how to make it work. everything is now just like expected. thanks for the feedback :)
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• 22[00:06:04] <AkQ> karlpinc: yea exactly that - he doesn't need anything but that one folder that is visible to web
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• 25[00:07:05] <JPT> Azrael_-: I'm glad you got it working. Now document everything for your future self :-)
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• 27[00:08:21] <Azrael_-> hehe, will do. my big fault: i tried to restrict the access already as early as possible but in the early stage only access based on ip is possible. if i want to use user/pass i first have to allow everybody and then filter it in a later stage :)
• 28[00:08:25] <edman007> hey, I'm trying to run some stuff on a DVR type thing, anyways, I rooted it and CPU info says 'ARMv7 Processor rev 1 (v7l)', I loaded up some stuff from jessie, armhf and chroot is giving me 'illegal instruction' when I try running that stuff, is armhf the wrong architecture for that?
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• 30[00:08:59] <edman007> uname says it's 'armv7l'
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• 41[00:15:03] <BCMM> edman007: "Currently the Debian armhf port requires at least an Armv7 CPU with Thumb-2 and VFP3D16."
• 42[00:15:46] <BCMM> edman007: not sure how to check support for those last two, though. can you get the actual CPU design from the spec sheet or something?
• 43[00:16:06] <edman007> Yea, I think so... it's a HI3535
• 44[00:16:26] <edman007> replaced-url
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• 46[00:17:02] <edman007> says Arm Cortex A9...
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• 49[00:18:51] <edman007> that doesn't say any of that stuff though :/
• 50[00:18:51] <BCMM> edman007: i'm thinking maybe you have an armv7, but don't actually have the "hf" bit of "armhf"
• 51[00:19:01] <edman007> yea, I'm guessing...
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• 56[00:21:17] <BCMM> edman007: what does /proc/cpuinfo look like? (not really sure what it's supposed to contain for arm, to be honest)
• 57[00:21:57] <BCMM> edman007: anyway, i'd try armel
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• 59[00:22:33] <edman007> BCMM, replaced-url
• 60[00:22:50] <aloo_shu> edman007: also, did you give it a debian kernel, or do you use the device one (as chroot seems to suggest)? I had to go back to wheezy to be on the safe side with my 3 series android kernel
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• 62[00:23:08] <AkQ> karlpinc: i think i did it - i had to reverse all shit i did before but now that i ran: 1. 'adduser username' 2. groupadd asdfag 3. chown -R .asdfag /var/replaced-url
• 63[00:23:19] <AkQ> it works like i needed it to work
• 64[00:23:58] <BCMM> edman007: if I understand correctly, a machine that can run Debian armhf would have "vfpv3" in the "Features:" line
• 65[00:26:52] <BCMM> edman007: i guess you probably have to use armel. kind of sucks, because it's optimised for much, much older devices...
• 66[00:26:56] <edman007> aloo_shu, I'm hoping I can just use the devices kernel and boot up debian (or most of it) using a hook I see in the firmware (attempts to call a script on a thumb drive if it exists)
• 67[00:27:10] <edman007> running 3.4.35, so not that old...
• 68[00:27:11] <BCMM> kind of like the original raspberry pi, your device sort of falls in between debian ARM architechtures
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• 70[00:27:59] <edman007> really it's a network NVR, and the firmware won't play with my 4K camera, so if I can get enough to just copy the stream to disk I'm happy
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• 73[00:29:52] <AkQ> karlpinc & mawk thanks for your assistance - my shit seemed to be like the typical example of XY Problem .. replaced-url
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• 77[00:30:52] <aloo_shu> yeah, mine was older, edman007 . Searches on where the minimum kernel reqs were for each debian version gave no clear results, but bash complained about old kernel as soon as I chrooted in with jessie, using oldstable works great now
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• 79[00:31:16] <aloo_shu> oldoldstable, sry
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• 84[00:35:34] <edman007> aloo_shu, alright, thanks for the info
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• 142[01:10:58] <ebrasca> Hi I am in You are in emergency mode.
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• 145[01:11:15] <ebrasca> I get this error "cgroup.mount loaded failed failed /cgroup"
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• 170[01:26:12] <CaptainWilder> I ran a command `rmmod xpad` while tryin gout a differnet module for this controller. I want to undo the process and have tried insmod xpad to add it back but it says there's no such thing. On every boot I have to manually run modprobe xpad to get it back again. how do i simply undo the rmmod i did?
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• 172[01:26:59] <CaptainWilder> or do i have to just have the messy solution have having 'modprobe xpad' run on every boot as a startup script
• 173[01:27:06] <CaptainWilder> note that xpad is not in the blacklist
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• 223[01:59:11] <peaceguy> hi ppafin :)
• 224[01:59:19] <peaceguy> hi abhinits2046 :)
• 225[01:59:28] <peaceguy> hi krytarik :)
• 226[02:00:07] <krytarik> Hah, wow..
• 227[02:00:37] <peaceguy> hi :)
• 228[02:00:39] <peaceguy> what?
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• 230[02:01:13] <krytarik> Have fun greeting literally everyone who joins? :P
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• 232[02:01:22] <peaceguy> lol
• 233[02:01:24] <peaceguy> yea :D
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• 310[02:55:05] <Neobenedict> hi there
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• 312[02:55:40] <Neobenedict> is there a command where i can find the speed at which something is being piped? for example tar x tar.gz - | speed
• 313[02:55:46] <Neobenedict> would show the number of MB/s being extracted
• 314[02:57:07] <Neobenedict> well, what I want to use it for isn't tar, but it sends a lot of raw data to stdout and i'd like to see the max bitrate so i can determine if I can send it over network uncompressed or not.
• 315[02:57:17] <Kremator> Neobenedict, no, but usually cli programs does have a --verbose or -v flag that does show the progress
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• 317[02:57:33] <Brigo> Neobenedict, replaced-url
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• 319[02:57:37] <Kremator> Neobenedict, in the vey specific case of tar add a -v to it
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• 321[02:57:52] <Neobenedict> hm cpipe
• 322[02:57:53] <Neobenedict> neat
• 323[02:57:54] <Neobenedict> thanks
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• 326[02:58:34] <Kremator> oh fuck just now i realized what i wrote and what was about the question
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• 335[03:04:02] <Neobenedict> ok so PV is showing rates of around 150MiB/s
• 336[03:04:14] <Neobenedict> if I have a 10G link between two servers, can I pipe this output to the other server somehow?
• 337[03:04:22] <Neobenedict> both processes I need to run are incredibly CPU intensive
• 338[03:04:37] <Neobenedict> so I'd like to run one on this server (which outputs to stdout), and another (which reads from stdin) on the other
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• 340[03:06:04] <Neobenedict> looks like it can be done with netcat but I need consistency. will a netcat TCP socket be lossless?
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• 342[03:07:14] <Brigo> Neobenedict, all tcp connections try to be lossless, but if the wire get unconnected ...
• 343[03:07:50] <Neobenedict> well, yeah
• 344[03:08:01] <Brigo> Neobenedict, tcp is reliable.
• 345[03:08:08] <Neobenedict> why do people use eg. infiniband
• 346[03:08:19] <Neobenedict> or fibrechannel
• 347[03:08:20] <Neobenedict> latency?
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• 350[03:09:55] <Brigo> Neobenedict, i don't know what infiniband is.
• 351[03:10:16] <Neobenedict> alternate protocols.
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• 355[03:10:31] <Neobenedict> but if tcp should be lossless (and more importantly - packets arrive *in order*)
• 356[03:10:34] <Neobenedict> should work!
• 357[03:10:41] <Neobenedict> just need my 10G networking to arrive
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• 362[03:12:43] <Brigo> Neobenedict, is the connection is realiable, i think it is granted.
• 363[03:15:34] <Neobenedict> thanks!
• 364[03:15:42] <Brigo> Neobenedict, np
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• 372[03:24:07] <donavan01> I want to install Kali (debian base) in a virtual machine and need to use a usb wifi adapter does anyone know which VM software is best for this on a windows host ... VMware, Virtual Box, or Hyper-v
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• 383[03:30:27] <avu> !kali
• 384[03:30:27] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 385[03:30:49] <mason> Ew, ESR.
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• 436[04:08:59] <__m4ch1n3__> donavan01, watch first all episodes mr robot
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• 439[04:11:05] <ectospasm> too paranoid for me.
• 440[04:11:49] <ectospasm> I take atypical antypsychotic medication, I need no extra paranoia in my life.
• 441[04:12:29] <ectospasm> I got through the first two episodes, and I was done.
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• 451[04:25:49] <__m4ch1n3__> ectospasm, if paranoia kicks in from an fictional tv show, maybe your medication is not optimal for you
• 452[04:26:14] <mason> Isn't that the point of storytelling?
• 453[04:27:37] <__m4ch1n3__> trigger paranoia by viewer?
• 454[04:28:16] <mason> Machines and humans are different (at least to date) in that humans typically have adaptive processing that takes context into account.
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• 456[04:29:13] <__m4ch1n3__> there is another good film about an hacker, karl koch
• 457[04:29:48] <__m4ch1n3__> but he was also shizophren and in a iluminat "film"
• 458[04:30:01] <__m4ch1n3__> the movie is called 23
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• 460[04:30:33] <donavan01> ummm what exactly does mr robot have to do with me installing a virtual machine on my laptop?
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• 462[04:31:19] <__m4ch1n3__> he burned himself with gasoline on a 23 may, 23 the iluminati number and 5 the querfoot of 23
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• 464[04:31:55] <__m4ch1n3__> donavan01, everything
• 465[04:31:59] <__m4ch1n3__> :D
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• 467[04:32:32] <__m4ch1n3__> its a true story
• 468[04:32:35] <mason> replaced-url
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• 470[04:34:06] <__m4ch1n3__> german movies are usually shit but this one is an exception
• 471[04:34:07] <peaceguy> hi liveoptix :)
• 472[04:34:23] <peaceguy> i watched the far cry movie
• 473[04:34:28] <peaceguy> german movie it was cool :D
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• 476[04:35:24] <__m4ch1n3__> i live in germany and i dont know how many german movies i watched, most were staright shit
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• 499[05:03:14] <Wulf> __m4ch1n3__: German movies are the proof that you don't need a trillion dollar budget to make a decent movie.
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• 501[05:04:48] <Wulf> Oh, another German word in English language: replaced-url
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• 529[05:25:41] <[E]sc> i was using a liveusb to try to fix my grub, but the terminal kept failing to launch after i've already mounted the directories i wanted to chroot in. I tried rebooting but now it's stuck on DEPEND - dependency failed for reboot because i couldn't unmount the directories. how can i fix this?
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• 532[05:27:28] <joepublic> You might boot your system via the "detect boot methods" option of the super grub 2 rescue disc/image and once you have booted your install, sudo update-grub
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• 594[06:33:13] <[E]sc> joepublic, can i do a hard reboot without damaging anything? because it's stuck on shutdown right now...
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• 598[06:34:21] <ViralTaco> hi
• 599[06:34:39] <ViralTaco> is there a way to install pamac in debian?
• 600[06:34:44] <ViralTaco> I don't like apt-get
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• 610[06:44:04] <LoRez> ViralTaco: then why are you using debian?
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• 612[06:45:25] <ViralTaco> Because I like debian
• 613[06:45:39] <ViralTaco> I used to use aptitude
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• 616[06:47:32] <ViralTaco> Should I not use debian?
• 617[06:47:35] <ViralTaco> :(
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• 619[06:48:05] <gimbleguy> ViralTaco: have you tried synaptic
• 620[06:48:19] <ViralTaco> Yes but I want a CLI not a gui
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• 622[06:48:39] <ViralTaco> guis are just a slower way to do the same thing
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• 626[06:50:11] <Pikk3wyn> apt
• 627[06:50:15] <Pikk3wyn> or aptitude
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• 629[06:51:40] <ViralTaco> I wonder how dpkg works is it for installing local packages or is it a package manager
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• 633[06:53:42] <jelly> what is pamac?
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• 635[06:54:02] <ViralTaco> package manager
• 636[06:54:09] <ViralTaco> on arch
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• 638[06:55:36] <ViralTaco> manjaro* pacman on both
• 639[06:55:52] <Pikk3wyn> pamac is aur
• 640[06:55:59] <ViralTaco> ye
• 641[06:56:25] <jelly> those do not sound compatible with dpkg or debian repos.
• 642[06:57:56] <rwp> What would you expect to do with the Arch package manager if it were actually to be installed on your Debian system?
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• 647[06:59:32] <jelly> ViralTaco, dpkg is a low-level tool. apt deals with repos and calls dpkg when it's time to actually install or remove packages.
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• 649[07:00:43] <ViralTaco> um
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• 651[07:01:28] <ViralTaco> is there a package manager which lets me see the dependencies and what it's gonna install before asking for my root password?
• 652[07:01:53] <jelly> all of apt-get or apt or aptitude can do that
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• 654[07:02:16] <rwp> Using -s is simulate or dry-run mode.
• 655[07:02:48] <ViralTaco> I guess I'll have to make a function in my .bashrc
• 656[07:03:34] <ViralTaco> thank you
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• 659[07:06:21] <rwp> If you use sudo then first run the comand with -s to see what it would do. If you like it then remove the -s and run it with sudo.
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• 695[07:47:43] <[E]sc> can i shutdown without unmounting? will it damage anything? right now i can't shutdown, it's stuck
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• 703[07:50:34] <rwp> [E]sc, If it is stuck then you have no choice. But you might try the Magic SysRq key to sync and reboot. replaced-url
• 704[07:51:28] <[E]sc> rwp, thanks. i was using a liveusb to fix the boot grub, but something went wrong and the terminal didn't boot up after ...so i was stuck.
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• 716[07:58:58] <rwp> [E]sc, For the most part when that happens and you have to power off, everything will work out okay regardless. File systems are quite resilient these days.
• 717[07:59:24] <rwp> But if you have no choice then what else is there to do?
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• 726[08:08:29] <[E]sc> rwp, true. thanks for the help. I'll see if i can fix the system. after an update, the x manager dies while loading the DE. something to do with the nvidia drivers i think?
• 727[08:08:56] <rwp> Sounds plausible. Good luck!
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• 729[08:11:08] <[E]sc> rwp, thanks!
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• 798[09:04:48] <krv> I'm trying to do something stupid and change the boot order of the ISO (on a USB). But editing /boot/grub/grub.cfg doesn't seem to change anything.
• 799[09:04:55] <krv> anyone know why?
• 800[09:06:07] <teus> i think nowadays you cant directly edit your grub config
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• 802[09:06:39] <diogenes_> krv, on usb? you got a multiboot usb?
• 803[09:06:43] <krv> I mean, you can.
• 804[09:06:52] <krv> diogenes_: nah, i just imaged it directly to one.
• 805[09:06:55] <krv> dd is a great tool.
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• 807[09:07:51] <krv> teus: but you can, it's just generally not suggested.
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• 809[09:08:01] <krv> teus: which makes it REALLY hard to find documentation on it.
• 810[09:08:15] <krv> ...I think i just figured out why
• 811[09:08:39] <krv> it doesn't make it easier.
• 812[09:08:42] <krv> but i figured out why
• 813[09:09:00] <krv> This system is booting off BIOS, and i've been editing the EFI grub.
• 814[09:09:44] <krv> The big issue is that my keyboard isn't recognized at boot. so when i'm trying to actually choose options, I'm unable to.
• 815[09:10:00] <krv> so my solution was to just auto boot it into the installer, which will recognize my keyboard.
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• 827[09:18:19] <jpw> kvr: so you're dd'ing the iso image patching it with a new grub boot order?
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• 830[09:19:48] <jpw> i can think of several reasons why that wouldn't work. Whats stopping you from building your own iso?
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• 892[10:05:47] <hansol> how to uninsall mysql
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• 894[10:06:20] <nkuttler> how did you install it?
• 895[10:06:58] <hansol> mariadb-client mariadb-server
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• 897[10:07:12] <nkuttler> so remove those?
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• 900[10:09:16] <hansol> i remove then insall mysql
• 901[10:09:21] <hansol> but cant login with my password with
• 902[10:09:25] <hansol> mysql -u root -p
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• 904[10:09:47] <hansol> then it asks me for password, i enter password from insallation
• 905[10:09:51] <hansol> but have this:
• 906[10:10:02] <hansol> RROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user '-root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
• 907[10:11:09] <nkuttler> so you want to reset the mysql password, not uninstall it?
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• 909[10:11:31] <hansol> yes
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• 911[10:11:40] <hansol> i also tryed with mysql_secure_installation
• 912[10:11:50] <hansol> adding news password but cant login with it again
• 913[10:12:02] <nkuttler> hansol: ask the #mysql channel. iirc you start it with some option to skip grant tables
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• 916[10:13:45] <hansol> nkuttler, im login from phpmyadmin
• 917[10:13:52] <nkuttler> ew
• 918[10:13:52] <hansol> but from console i cannot
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• 920[10:15:35] <hansol> nkuttler, is there a way to add user from phpmyadmin ?
• 921[10:16:10] <nkuttler> hansol: i wouldn't know, i make an effort to avoid such tools
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• 967[10:45:56] * nuxil sips some coffee.
• 968[10:46:16] <nuxil> so i been using ""linux"" for a couple of weeks now. after a long break. while im impressed with kernel development. basically all my hw is supported. however im not impressed with how the desktop evolution has evolved.
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• 971[10:46:58] <nuxil> I been testing out misc DE's, xfce, mate, gnome3, kde. gnome3 managed split a community which was already stretched on devs, and now we have lots of forks from gnome2/3.
• 972[10:47:25] <nuxil> both gnome3 and kde provided in the stable release are missing basic desktop features. (not blaming debian tho).
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• 974[10:47:44] <nuxil> features they both used to have, example something as simple as desktop icons, drag and drop to desktop.if you now want to have these basic DE features you need to mess around with extension, widgets, whatnot and so on.
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• 976[10:47:57] <nuxil> as a fullblown DE, Gnome3 gave me the worst user experiance i had in a long long time.
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• 986[10:56:43] <ppafin> I am having a bit opposite experiences, I've run Gnome3 with debian now and it surely feels good.
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• 994[11:01:23] <nuxil> i dont understand that. gnome3 seems like its written for tablets in mind. and not pc workstations.
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• 996[11:02:38] <ppafin> That's what I thought also at the begining, looked really wierd. But using it is breeze. Especially with dark theming, it kicks.
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• 998[11:03:24] <nuxil> yea. speaking about dark thems. whats up with that.? everything suppose to be dark and depressive now a days?
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• 1000[11:03:52] <nuxil> dark thems seems in,
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• 1005[11:07:09] <ppafin> easier for eyes as I see it. Together with redshift, that's totally good.
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• 1010[11:09:22] <nuxil> i find it harder to use. esp when window borders dark aswell. get no real good feeling where the border and the app menus are, i prefere a grey, light enviorment with cood contrast.
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• 1013[11:10:01] <nuxil> *good
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• 1033[11:19:54] <martin-_-_> hi
• 1034[11:20:11] <martin-_-_> how can i extend my Harddisc drive in my virtual machine?
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• 1054[11:34:09] <Wulf> martin-_-_: that depends on your vm software.
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• 1057[11:35:46] <martin-_-_> Wulf I did this qemu-img resize vmdisk.img +10G
• 1058[11:36:07] <martin-_-_> but now I need to update the partitions of the virtual machine, and I'm complety lost
• 1059[11:36:25] <Wulf> martin-_-_: is the change already showing in /proc/partitions?
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• 1064[11:39:29] <martin-_-_> Wulf replaced-url
• 1065[11:39:38] <martin-_-_> the vm got 9gb
• 1066[11:40:03] <martin-_-_> the vm has 9gb initialy
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• 1069[11:41:04] <martin-_-_> are this numbers in bits or bytes?
• 1070[11:41:17] <martin-_-_> e.g 8 1 96390 sda1
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• 1092[12:00:07] <hoodedfigure> Hey, my user crontab is not executed. Any suggestions why that is?
• 1093[12:00:08] <hoodedfigure> Cron daemon is running, just 'normal' user's crontab is not executed.
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• 1108[12:12:34] <petn-randall> hoodedfigure: How do you know it's not running?
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• 1119[12:15:12] <sjamaan> tarzeau: How can I make debuild skip running tests? Or avoid rebuilding at all?
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• 1134[12:31:13] <hoodedfigure> petn-randall, I added a simple command logging date -R into crontest.txt every minute
• 1135[12:31:56] <hoodedfigure> and adding the same (plus user name) to /etc/crontab works just fine
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• 1145[12:43:29] <petn-randall> hoodedfigure: check the logs if the actual cron is run. It's likely a permission or environment issue that prevents it from running.
• 1146[12:44:00] <petn-randall> hoodedfigure: Also check that the crontab line ends with a newline; there's a longstanding bug that the last entry is not parsed if it's missing one.
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• 1153[12:49:20] <petn-randall> * prevents it from writing to crontest.txt.
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• 1168[13:02:58] <tarzeau> sjamaan: well if you run on sid amd64 you can take the .deb
• 1169[13:03:18] <tarzeau> sjamaan: for test skipping you can do override_auto_testing: or something with a dummy call @echo skip testing
• 1170[13:03:32] <sjamaan> Where do I put override_auto_testing?
• 1171[13:03:38] <tarzeau> debian/rules
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• 1173[13:03:42] <sjamaan> I'm a total newbie regarding debian packaging :)
• 1174[13:03:51] <tarzeau> it's a makefile, don't forget the tab before the echo command
• 1175[13:03:59] <tarzeau> sjamaan: i didn't get any reply from evo
• 1176[13:04:06] <tarzeau> sjamaan: you need it on stretch or buster?
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• 1178[13:04:40] <sjamaan> I'm not using buster yet but I would like to see it in buster to avoid dealing with support requests for an outdated major version :)
• 1179[13:04:48] <sjamaan> I'll be testing it on stretch
• 1180[13:05:01] <hoodedfigure> petn-randall, there are no logs for user crontabs except the edit itself: crontab[20569]: (myuser) BEGIN EDIT (myuser) // crontab[20569]: (myuser) REPLACE (myuser) // crontab[20569]: (myuser) END EDIT (myuser)
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• 1183[13:05:17] <tarzeau> sjamaan: then you need to rebuild the source package. it's about chicken, right?
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• 1186[13:05:47] <sjamaan> yeah
• 1187[13:05:51] <sjamaan> I'm building it
• 1188[13:06:04] <sjamaan> But as I tweak things I don't really want to recompile every time
• 1189[13:06:11] <sjamaan> How can I avoid that?
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• 1194[13:09:14] <tarzeau> sjamaan: what kind of tweaks are you talking about?
• 1195[13:09:20] <tarzeau> sjamaan: change lines in source?
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• 1198[13:10:07] <sjamaan> Changing things like the library version and such
• 1199[13:10:15] <sjamaan> It should be libchicken9, not libchicken8
• 1200[13:10:32] <tarzeau> sjamaan: i did that in the 9/ directory
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• 1203[13:10:42] <tarzeau> same url, subdirectory :)
• 1204[13:10:44] <sjamaan> Ah, I missed that
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• 1207[13:12:36] <sjamaan> tarzeau: How is this supposed to work anyway? If I run "debuild" in the "9" directory, it starts to complain
• 1208[13:12:42] <sjamaan> This package has a Debian revision number but there does not seem to be
• 1209[13:12:42] <sjamaan> an appropriate original tar file or .orig directory in the parent directory;
• 1210[13:12:42] <sjamaan> (expected one of chicken_5.0.0.orig.tar.gz, chicken_5.0.0.orig.tar.bz2,
• 1211[13:12:42] <sjamaan> chicken_5.0.0.orig.tar.lzma, chicken_5.0.0.orig.tar.xz or chicken.orig)
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• 1214[13:12:50] <sjamaan> Whoops
• 1215[13:12:57] <sjamaan> This flood detector is pretty bad
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• 1218[13:13:22] <tarzeau> sjamaan: here:
• 1219[13:13:41] <tarzeau> sjamaan: replaced-url
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• 1221[13:14:55] <sjamaan> I don't understand
• 1222[13:15:19] <tarzeau> sjamaan: i have a subdirectory with the 9 thing updated on the above url
• 1223[13:15:44] <sjamaan> I fetched the files there with wget -r
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• 1227[13:16:26] <sjamaan> But how do I test it properly?
• 1228[13:16:48] <sjamaan> Just untar chicken-5.0.0.tar.gz and chicken_5.0.0-1.debian.tar.xz manually?
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• 1231[13:17:29] <sjamaan> That's how I made the other dir work before, but I have a feeling that's not how it's to be done
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• 1259[13:32:15] <Lope> this guy says you should use RAID 10 even if you only have 2 disks, (2 partitions on each disk), instead of RAID 1, saying you'll get better performance. replaced-url
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• 1263[13:34:07] <abrotman> Lope: is there a question?
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• 1265[13:35:10] <Lope> Seems weird?
• 1266[13:35:20] <Lope> Surely this can't be true?
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• 1268[13:35:46] <Lope> Linux kernel devs love performance.
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• 1270[13:35:55] <RoyK> Lope: r1 and r10 will give you *exactly* the same performance on two drives
• 1271[13:36:12] <Lope> RoyK, see the link I posted
• 1272[13:36:17] <Lope> The guy claims differently
• 1273[13:36:27] <abrotman> claims or proves with data?
• 1274[13:36:33] <Lope> Outputs of dd
• 1275[13:36:46] <RoyK> replaced-url
• 1276[13:36:48] <abrotman> dd isn't really a good test
• 1277[13:36:54] <Lope> But I skimmed the article and it doesn't make any sense to me.
• 1278[13:36:59] <Lope> That's why I'm asking you guys.
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• 1280[13:37:34] <TRPM8> raid10 with 2 disks makes no sense
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• 1282[13:37:44] <RoyK> Lope: I've worked with linux and raid stuff for 15+ years and that article is bullshit
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• 1284[13:38:10] <RoyK> Lope: and as abrotman says, dd isn't a good test - use fio or something
• 1285[13:38:17] <Lope> yeah I know
• 1286[13:38:19] <abrotman> Lope: That entire test is invalid IMO, dd is not a real test of disk speed, there are a far better tools like fio or even bonnie
• 1287[13:38:34] <RoyK> there's no magic with raid1 or raid10 - it's very simple and boils down to disk I/O speed
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• 1289[13:38:44] <abrotman> Also, it's from 2014
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• 1291[13:39:02] <RoyK> abrotman: it was still wrong back in 2014, and in 2004
• 1292[13:39:08] <abrotman> I know
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• 1294[13:39:20] <Lope> btw guys what's a simple way to test hard disk throughput and also LAN throughput between 2 PC's on a network
• 1295[13:39:32] <RoyK> !fio
• 1296[13:39:39] <RoyK> hm - bad bot
• 1297[13:39:41] <abrotman> Lope: really, 'fio'
• 1298[13:39:55] <abrotman> it's not the most straightforward tool to configure, but it does a really good job
• 1299[13:39:57] <Lope> Not looking for the name of a tool, but also a recommended command or something, if you've got one in your notes that you use regularly etc?
• 1300[13:40:05] <abrotman> fio is the command.
• 1301[13:40:09] <Lope> *just the name of a tool*
• 1302[13:40:11] <RoyK> abrotman: it's easier than a lot of others
• 1303[13:40:38] <RoyK> replaced-url
• 1304[13:40:44] <bites> iperf for lan
• 1305[13:40:51] <abrotman> Lope: There are many docs out there about using fio with various configurations (such as a local disk might necessitate different test parameters than network storage)
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• 1307[13:41:38] <Lope> I've had a look at CPU benchmarking tools and found them unwieldy
• 1308[13:41:44] <Lope> (linux)
• 1309[13:41:58] <RoyK> bites: if you want to check the speed of a fileserver, meaning I/O, buffering *and* network, better use fio on top of nfs or smb
• 1310[13:42:05] <Lope> like the phoronix suite, seemed like a hot mess that was hard to use.
• 1311[13:42:12] <RoyK> Lope: I/O != CPU
• 1312[13:42:20] <Lope> I know
• 1313[13:42:25] <RoyK> Lope: usually you won't have much need for a cpu benchmark
• 1314[13:42:27] <Lope> #JustSaying
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• 1316[13:42:36] <RoyK> most systems have bottlenecks other places
• 1317[13:42:47] <bites> RoyK: not sure why you feel the need to tell me.
• 1318[13:42:53] <Lope> RoyK, I have a need for a CPU benchmark because I've got a surface pro 2 that throttles the CPU due to overheat.
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• 1320[13:43:05] <RoyK> Lope: ouch
• 1321[13:43:08] <Lope> I want to use one as a low power server, which requires cooling the case of it etc.
• 1322[13:43:18] <RoyK> Lope: use a pi instead ;)
• 1323[13:43:23] <Lope> People report it working and show tests in windows etc.
• 1324[13:43:26] <Lope> Pi is too shit.
• 1325[13:43:32] <RoyK> nah - it's not
• 1326[13:43:41] <RoyK> I use pis for a *lot* of stuff ;)
• 1327[13:43:43] <Lope> Neex x86_64 and more performance than a pi can do.
• 1328[13:43:54] <Lope> Too shit for my application.
• 1329[13:43:57] <Lope> I meant
• 1330[13:44:00] <RoyK> Lope: for example what?
• 1331[13:44:04] <Lope> Pi's IO sucks. Orange Pi is better.
• 1332[13:44:32] <RoyK> oh well - this isn't the right channel for hardware wars
• 1333[13:45:09] <Lope> Pi's nice for prototyping, but not the best thing for all applications.
• 1334[13:45:22] <Lope> Can be good in production for a few things also.
• 1335[13:45:32] <Lope> But for most things, there is better suited hardware.
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• 1339[13:48:04] <RoyK> Lope: I don't know what your application is, but really, there isn't a single machine that's the best thing for *anything*
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• 1341[13:48:25] <RoyK> Lope: I'm using tens of pi's for infoscreens and smallish things - works well
• 1342[13:48:36] <RoyK> I don't use them for mass storage or virtualisation
• 1343[13:48:55] <RoyK> Nor do I use a screwdriver as a hammer
• 1344[13:49:19] <abrotman> but you could!
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• 1346[13:50:27] <RoyK> obviously
• 1347[13:50:36] <RoyK> but that doesn't make it a good choice ;)
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• 1354[13:53:50] <RoyK> I beleive, though, that I have found about what I might need for some universal hardware. Something with an intel/amd-like CPU, 32 cores or so, clocked around 3GHz. 256GB memory, 20TB SSD storage, low-power PSU running off 2-4x18650 cells for a day or so and with a pricetag about $100. That would be a rather nice machine for most stuff
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• 1363[13:57:42] <bluewhitew> who bluewhitew
• 1364[13:57:42] <NetTerminalGene> how is you guys 3d performance (3d games) with 7th gen intel integrated gpu (hd 630)? i get low fps with supertuxkart
• 1365[13:58:16] <NetTerminalGene> is it because old mesa?
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• 1367[13:58:45] <bluewhitew> try glxinfo and see if use directrendering
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• 1369[13:59:04] <NetTerminalGene> bluewhitew, it uses
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• 1371[13:59:25] <abrotman> define "low" fps
• 1372[13:59:45] <bluewhitew> can u dump glxinfo?
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• 1375[14:00:18] <NetTerminalGene> very low fps. someone told me he got good performance with 4th gen gpu
• 1376[14:00:37] <NetTerminalGene> bluewhitew, what are you going to do with it?
• 1377[14:00:38] <abrotman> what is low? 1? 5? 627?
• 1378[14:00:53] <petn-randall> hoodedfigure: By default, cron logs to /var/log/syslog. Have a look there.
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• 1380[14:00:54] <bluewhitew> want to see what drivers are u using
• 1381[14:00:56] <NetTerminalGene> abrotman, i don't know. i got laggy experience
• 1382[14:01:18] <NetTerminalGene> bluewhitew, i915
• 1383[14:01:27] <NetTerminalGene> what do you expect?
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• 1387[14:02:28] <bluewhitew> and the driver renderer name?
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• 1389[14:02:54] <NetTerminalGene> bluewhitew, you can't help me. it is standart intel driver
• 1390[14:03:04] <bluewhitew> and u can't help me to help you
• 1391[14:03:04] <NetTerminalGene> i don't know what are you trying to do
• 1392[14:03:31] <NetTerminalGene> bluewhitew, you don't know
• 1393[14:03:43] <bluewhitew> ok np
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• 1397[14:04:50] <abrotman> why can't he help you?
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• 1399[14:05:11] <NetTerminalGene> because he don't know this stuff
• 1400[14:05:13] <abrotman> NetTerminalGene: glxinfo | grep -i direct
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• 1402[14:05:22] <abrotman> is direct rendering enabled?
• 1403[14:05:26] <NetTerminalGene> i said it is
• 1404[14:05:32] <abrotman> have you tried another 3d app?
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• 1406[14:05:46] <NetTerminalGene> no
• 1407[14:06:50] <bluewhitew> try glxgears
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• 1409[14:07:01] <NetTerminalGene> it works fine
• 1410[14:07:05] <NetTerminalGene> 60 fps
• 1411[14:07:07] <abrotman> fine is not a benchmark
• 1412[14:07:28] <NetTerminalGene> abrotman, it looks like you have no idea neither
• 1413[14:07:51] <abrotman> NetTerminalGene: Okay, which mesa version are you using? have you tried other resolutions in supertuxcart?
• 1414[14:08:23] <NetTerminalGene> yes i tried lower resolution
• 1415[14:08:23] <abrotman> Haev you checked the internet for a benchmark list for that GPU?
• 1416[14:08:32] <NetTerminalGene> eh
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• 1418[14:08:37] <hoodedfigure> petn-randall, cron logged into systemd-journal when it executed jobs from /etc/crontab so that is where I looked
• 1419[14:08:52] <NetTerminalGene> i said 4th gen cpu works fine which has old gpu
• 1420[14:10:12] <abrotman> doesn't answer my question, seems like you can't help you
• 1421[14:10:22] <NetTerminalGene> you have no idea
• 1422[14:10:28] <abrotman> lame
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• 1424[14:11:00] <wm4> if I stop elogind, and do "su - root", it succeeds to login, but only after a timeout of about 10 seconds - why?
• 1425[14:11:04] <abrotman> I'm not going to search the internet for you, nor do I have any desire to install supertuxcart
• 1426[14:11:26] <NetTerminalGene> i didn't they you you should
• 1427[14:11:33] <abrotman> (even if I am using an intel GPU)
• 1428[14:11:51] <wm4> 17 seconds actually
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• 1434[14:17:32] <sjamaan> tarzeau: The package works!
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• 1436[14:18:15] <sjamaan> tarzeau: One note though, there's no modules.db installed
• 1437[14:18:27] <sjamaan> This file is usually generated, but that will be skipped when there's a DESTDIR set
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• 1439[14:18:54] <sjamaan> It should be generated after installing chicken-bin, I think; chicken-install -update-db should be done as root
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• 1441[14:19:57] <sjamaan> tarzeau: I also think replaced-url
• 1442[14:20:12] <sjamaan> Not 100% sure about libchicken9.install, but it seems more explicit this way
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• 1444[14:22:05] <sjamaan> I tried, and even installation of eggs seem to work fine
• 1445[14:22:39] <sjamaan> tarzeau: I do think that purging libchicken9 should cause /var/lib/chicken to be removed; there will be additional files created in there if the user installs eggs (and also the aforementioned modules.db)
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• 1450[14:26:57] <tarzeau> sjamaan: great!
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• 1452[14:27:30] <tarzeau> sjamaan: i have absolutely no idea what can be done with chicken (i usually put them in the oven)
• 1453[14:27:38] <tarzeau> sjamaan: i only did the package version update for you, that's it
• 1454[14:27:52] <tarzeau> eggs i put in the pan for frying ;)
• 1455[14:28:10] <tarzeau> are you the author of chicken?
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• 1457[14:28:52] <sjamaan> I'm a core maintainer, yes
• 1458[14:29:13] <sjamaan> Have you checked my diff?
• 1459[14:29:34] <sjamaan> I'm also a Debian user, but I don't use the CHICKEN package (I just build it from source into my homedir)
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• 1461[14:30:22] <RenMas> NetTerminalGene: you have no idea who abrotman is, best chance you had of an answer on here, IMHO
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• 1465[14:32:30] <tarzeau> sjamaan: nope
• 1466[14:32:45] <tarzeau> let's hope evo the maintainer does something
• 1467[14:32:56] <hansol> why afther chaning root directory for domain (apache2) it's still is opening old directory ?
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• 1469[14:34:24] <abrotman> hansol: have you restarted the apache daemon?
• 1470[14:34:33] <abrotman> hansol: can you paste your apache configs somewhere?
• 1471[14:34:50] <abrotman> hansol: also, try clearing your browser cache, or use a different browser
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• 1474[14:36:09] <hansol> abrotman, replaced-url
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• 1476[14:36:37] <hoodedfigure> petn-randall, anyway, thanks for your input. I've got to go now. Have a nice day – good bye!
• 1477[14:36:41] <hansol> abrotman, now is ko
• 1478[14:36:42] <hansol> ok**
• 1479[14:36:47] <hansol> thanks you
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• 1482[14:37:03] <abrotman> ok
• 1483[14:37:10] <abrotman> I got a DB error, but okay
• 1484[14:37:19] <sjamaan> tarzeau: I don't think evo is active anymore
• 1485[14:37:26] <sjamaan> I also sent an email a while ago, never got a reply
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• 1512[14:49:27] <tarzeau> sjamaan: then you should ask debian people if he's mia
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• 1515[14:50:09] <sjamaan> Who/what do you mean by debian people?
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• 1555[15:18:29] <simpledat> How do i enable vt-x? Do I have to enable it in bios and linux as well? Or should I only enable it in bios?
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• 1563[15:20:02] <purplepod> simpledat, you enable it in BIOS
• 1564[15:20:06] <nevivurn> In debian, I don't recall having to do anything in particular (apart from enabling from bios).
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• 1566[15:20:27] <simpledat> purplepod: is vt-d the same as vt-x?
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• 1569[15:20:48] <simpledat> because I enabled vt-d in bios and virtualbox still says that vt-x is disabled.
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• 1572[15:22:08] <purplepod> No they're not the same
• 1573[15:22:33] <simpledat> oh
• 1574[15:22:51] <simpledat> so how do I enable vt-x with intel? asus motherboard
• 1575[15:23:14] <simpledat> the youtube video shows me that I should enable vt-d
• 1576[15:23:19] <purplepod> VT-x is the actual hardware virtualisation assistance - absolute necessary, whereas VT-d allows you direct passthrough of devices, such as PCI devices
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• 1579[15:24:04] <simpledat> purplepod: So do you know how to enable it?
• 1580[15:24:04] <purplepod> and I have no idea how to do it on your motherboard, you'll have to look for that on your own, I don't have that motherboard so have no idea where the option would be
• 1581[15:24:14] <simpledat> oh ok
• 1582[15:24:18] <simpledat> purplepod: Thanks :)
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• 1585[15:25:14] <simpledat> purplepod: So I dont need vt-d to use vt-x, right?
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• 1620[15:41:24] <simpledat> So my question was, Do I need to enable vt-d to use vt-x?
• 1621[15:41:52] <towo`> no
• 1622[15:41:59] <simpledat> ok
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• 1657[16:04:30] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 1659[16:05:16] <Azrael_-> i have multiple packages which are kept back from the normal upgrading. how can i look up why they are being kept back?
• 1660[16:05:23] <abrotman> !held back
• 1661[16:05:23] <dpkg> i heard kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". See also replaced-url
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• 1663[16:06:18] <Azrael_-> abrotman: thanks, also possible without using aptitude? just with apt?
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• 1671[16:13:17] <annadane> !bat
• 1672[16:13:18] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1673[16:13:20] <annadane> Azrael_-, ^
• 1674[16:13:27] <annadane> though i prefer using aptitude personally
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• 1677[16:14:09] <annadane> if you're using Stable it ought not to be much of a problem to figure out what's going on, if you're using testing/unstable then it may be more complicated
• 1678[16:14:20] <annadane> it'll also be more complicated if you're mixing releases which you shouldn't do
• 1679[16:15:05] <abrotman> Azrael_-: what also possible?
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• 1683[16:16:20] <Azrael_-> abrotman: looking up the cause why the package was held back without using aptitude (or installing additional software)
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• 1700[16:30:02] <danielboston26> is oibaf avaliable in debian?
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• 1714[16:35:41] <annadane> apparently not, no
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• 1723[16:43:30] <danielboston26> annadane, what about adding the ubuntu ppa to debian?
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• 1726[16:44:51] <annadane> not recommended
• 1727[16:45:07] <annadane> !why not use a ppa
• 1728[16:45:07] <dpkg> PPAs (Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives, see <PPA>) are not built against Debian releases, they are built against Ubuntu releases. This makes using packages from them on a Debian box highly unlikely to work out well. Ask me about <ssb> <package recompile> <bobbitt>.
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• 1732[16:46:24] <wm4> why does "dpkg-reconfigure udev" sometimes kill the X session (and sshd and logging in one the console)
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• 1736[16:47:24] <danielboston26> !ssb
• 1737[16:47:24] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 1738[16:48:04] <danielboston26> !package recompile
• 1739[16:48:05] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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• 1743[16:48:46] <danielboston26> !bobbitt
• 1744[16:48:46] <dpkg> Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ replaced-url
• 1745[16:48:53] <annadane> danielboston26, /msg dpkg
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• 1749[16:49:10] <danielboston26> sorry
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• 1753[16:50:12] <danielboston26> annadane, well i wanted to get the latest open source graphic driver but i guess since im using testing i already have the latest version?
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• 1755[16:50:20] <danielboston26> at least the latest version being tested
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• 1758[16:51:02] <annadane> er... debian would've already installed it
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• 1760[16:51:19] <annadane> and it would be packages called mesa and xorg, i've never heard of oibaf
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• 1762[16:51:24] <n4dir> might always be there is a higher version in unstable.
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• 1764[16:51:45] <n4dir> if, and only if, you are using testing already.
• 1765[16:51:58] <annadane> right. one can mix testing and unstable generally, they're relatively close to each other, just mind the dependencies
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• 1776[16:59:02] <danielboston26> annadane, oibaf is a repo for ubuntu that contains up to date open source drivers
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• 1778[16:59:50] <annadane> debian has the open source drivers you'd need, but yeah, don't start mixing in other repositories
• 1779[17:00:48] <danielboston26> ok i won't
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• 1782[17:01:17] <AlexPortable> I've setup a cronjob that will do a ping, and then shutdown if the ping fails. When i run the script myself it works fine, however when I do `sudo cronjob -e` it doesn't shutdown the computer, how can i debug?
• 1783[17:01:35] <danielboston26> not sure why minecraft won't work with the non free nvidia driver
• 1784[17:01:38] <Voldenet> instead of adding foreign repos I usually just get the "deb" file and install it manually
• 1785[17:01:46] <annadane> !doesn't work
• 1786[17:01:46] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
• 1787[17:02:17] <annadane> Voldenet, also generally not a great idea, if by .deb file you mean random things you find on the internet
• 1788[17:02:28] <danielboston26> Voldenet, i tried looking for it they changed launchpad and i couldn't find where it has the .deb files
• 1789[17:02:32] <annadane> i avoid those like the plague and just use things like .tar
• 1790[17:02:39] <Voldenet> annadane: it's not the great idea, but better than adding random bag of debs
• 1791[17:02:41] <Voldenet> :)
• 1792[17:02:56] <Voldenet> s/great/greatest/
• 1793[17:03:01] <danielboston26> annadane, launchpad usually or is suppose to list the deb file for everything they post
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• 1796[17:03:48] <annadane> yeah, but it still stands that mixing debian and ubuntu generally results in a broken system of one kind or another
• 1797[17:03:49] <Voldenet> obviously, the best idea is to compile into /opt
• 1798[17:04:02] <annadane> a decent resource is replaced-url
• 1799[17:04:36] <annadane> the first problem to diagnose would be "*why* doesn't minecraft work?"
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• 1802[17:05:40] <Voldenet> AlexPortable: what doesn't work, the script or the shutdown?
• 1803[17:05:50] <AlexPortable> i think the shutdown
• 1804[17:06:04] <Voldenet> Okay, how does it do the shutdown, there are at least 5 ways
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• 1806[17:06:08] <AlexPortable> (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output)
• 1807[17:06:15] <AlexPortable> `/sbin/shutdown -h 0`
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• 1813[17:07:55] <Voldenet> hmm, I've never done that, but if you run this as a regular user, then there might be permission problems
• 1814[17:08:01] <AlexPortable> it's sudo crontab -e
• 1815[17:08:21] <OS-34800> !payday
• 1816[17:10:50] <Voldenet> I never use sudo, but which crontab does it edit, root's?
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• 1818[17:12:16] <AlexPortable> yes
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• 1823[17:12:59] <serard> Hello
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• 1826[17:13:25] <serard> I can curl my apt cacher from CLI on localhost, but cannot from external, and aptcacher is set to listen on all ifaces. Someone have a clue ?
• 1827[17:13:48] <Voldenet> serard: firewall issue?
• 1828[17:13:57] <serard> there's none set
• 1829[17:14:20] <serard> it's a Vagrant box using debian9 vanilla.
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• 1836[17:17:32] <serard> Voldenet, how can I check firewall issues ?
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• 1838[17:17:50] <eee2> .bene
• 1839[17:18:22] <Voldenet> serard: well, for starters, check if you've got any :D
• 1840[17:18:32] <Voldenet> maybe just run netcat on the port
• 1841[17:18:37] <Voldenet> and check if you can connect to it
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• 1844[17:19:23] <serard> can you help me with the command lines ?
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• 1846[17:19:40] <Voldenet> if you've got iptables, then sure
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• 1848[17:20:07] <Voldenet> `iptables -nL` should list all rules
• 1849[17:20:13] <AlexPortable> Voldenet: any clue?
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• 1852[17:20:34] <Voldenet> AlexPortable: not really, I'd try redirecting output from stderr and stdout to some file or log
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• 1855[17:21:36] <serard> Voldenet, your command returns three empty
• 1856[17:21:39] <serard> no rules defined
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• 1858[17:22:25] <serard> they are all ACCEPT
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• 1860[17:22:28] <AlexPortable> i did, but can't becasue no MTA
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• 1862[17:22:35] <serard> (which is bad I know :) )
• 1863[17:23:16] <Azrael_-> serard: check on which port+interface the application is listening: "netstat -nlp"
• 1864[17:23:16] <Voldenet> AlexPortable: I think you don't need MTA for plain and simple >> ~/my.log
• 1865[17:23:52] <Voldenet> serard: I'd first run netstat to rule out firewall issues
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• 1867[17:24:04] <Voldenet> erm, netcat*
• 1868[17:24:15] <serard> what is the cmd line for netcat ?
• 1869[17:24:31] <Voldenet> > netcat -l (port)
• 1870[17:25:13] <serard> it stands still
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• 1872[17:25:40] <serard> I can curl localhost:3142 it works
• 1873[17:26:08] <Voldenet> when it's awaiting connections, try remotely connecting to it
• 1874[17:26:30] <serard> Sorry, what do you mean ?
• 1875[17:26:44] <Voldenet> on the server, run: netcat -l (port)
• 1876[17:26:53] <Voldenet> on the client, run: echo test | netcat 192.168.42.42 8080
• 1877[17:26:59] <Voldenet> (or whatever is your server's ip and port)
• 1878[17:27:08] <serard> from another VM : curl: (7) Failed to connect to 192.168.54.3 port 3142: Connection refused
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• 1881[17:28:09] <Voldenet> keep in mind that netstat stops running after accepting first connection
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• 1883[17:28:20] <serard> Ah ok I understand --listening
• 1884[17:28:20] <Voldenet> s/netstat/netcat/
• 1885[17:28:24] <serard> :)
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• 1887[17:28:58] <serard> Ok, I ran "netcat -l 3142" onto term1, and on term2 I ran curl replaced-url
• 1888[17:29:32] <serard> Term1 and term2 are two terminals ssh'ing the apt machine
• 1889[17:29:40] <Voldenet> well obviously, curl requires http response
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• 1891[17:30:22] <serard> and I receives one ! :D
• 1892[17:30:31] <serard> the one expected from aptcacher
• 1893[17:30:35] <Voldenet> ಠ_ಠ
• 1894[17:30:51] <serard> yeah.
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• 1903[17:34:13] <Buliarous> Hello, I've setup a vpn and I'd like to route all gmail traffic through one interface (enp3s0) and everything else through the vpn (tun0) what's the best way to do this with iptables?
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• 1916[17:41:35] <simpledat> How is that vt-x is disabled by default if there is no security risks to have it enabled?
• 1917[17:41:44] <Voldenet> Buliarous: have you tried googling it?
• 1918[17:42:00] <Voldenet> I'm not sure if it's relevant, but seems relevant replaced-url
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• 1921[17:43:09] <blackflow> I wouldn't do that. gmail has a fleet of servers and whole subnets to route for. Instead use a mail relay that's outside of your vpn, and use that for all mail traffic.
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• 1923[17:44:10] <Buliarous> blackflow: yeah that is more what i'm looking for, like adding ip ranges is one solution but maybe not the best, what is your suggestion for mail relay?
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• 1925[17:44:22] <blackflow> Buliarous: postfix
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• 1934[17:48:23] <Buliarous> thanks
• 1935[17:49:38] <Voldenet> simpledat: `there is no security risks to have it enabled`, but people claim that there are risks and sometimes even performance penalties
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• 1941[17:53:16] <AkQ> idk where to ask so point me to right direction if this is wrong place: How can i set up a web-page that would show my stream from different sources like twitch, mixer etc. It should only show the window if there is an active stream going on and when the stream is on any stream-website, it would be shown in my web-page
• 1942[17:53:29] <AlexPortable> Voldenet: nothing showing up in the logfile
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• 1945[17:53:41] <grobi> hi there, suddenly i don't hear sound from my laptop-speakers. but headphones are working..
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• 1947[17:54:03] <Wulf> grobi: plug out the headphone
• 1948[17:54:15] <Voldenet> grobi: check if your ears are working
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• 1950[17:54:47] <grobi> Wulf: Voldenet thanks guys that helped
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• 1952[17:55:48] <simpledat> Voldenet: Ok. I was going to use it because I need it to run 32 bit guest on virtualbox. But I could run 32 bit os with vt-x disabled for a few months ago. But it seems that it has been changed.
• 1953[17:56:03] <grobi> no f cours not, and i don think that somone is that stupid to come her and ask...
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• 1958[17:57:13] <Wulf> grobi: maybe you turned down the volume on those speakers
• 1959[17:57:16] <Wulf> or they're broken
• 1960[18:00:00] <narutowaifu> does debian maintain a list of packages license?
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• 1964[18:01:46] <Voldenet> AlexPortable: I tried my friend google instead of thinking replaced-url
• 1965[18:02:14] <petn-randall> narutowaifu: /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/copyright has a an exact list for every file in the package.
• 1966[18:03:54] <AlexPortable> Voldenet: not much help there, they say taht you have to put it as root (which i do)
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• 1968[18:04:11] <Voldenet> >What is the location of this crontab entry? If in /etc/crontab, you would need to specify a user (e.g. root) before the command.
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• 1970[18:04:31] <Voldenet> I never run crontab as root, so I wouldn't know.
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• 1973[18:05:47] <AlexPortable> it's not in /etc/crontab
• 1974[18:06:34] <AlexPortable> it's in the users crontab
• 1975[18:06:40] <AlexPortable> just like a non-root user
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• 1982[18:09:34] <Voldenet> AlexPortable: oh wait, if you did >>~/log you may not be getting errors
• 1983[18:09:40] <AlexPortable> i found the issue
• 1984[18:09:48] <AlexPortable> including `root` is not good
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• 1989[18:10:18] <{xmb}> do /etc/network/interfaces.d/ files have to have a .conf or some other extension
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• 1993[18:12:06] <narutowaifu> petn-randall: who maintains those files? Debian or package developers?
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• 1997[18:13:26] <Voldenet> {xmb}: from `man interfaces.5`: By default, on a freshly installed Debian system, the interfaces file includes a line to source files in the /etc/network/interfaces.d directory.
• 1998[18:14:07] <{xmb}> yeah but the question was if those files in the .d have to have a .conf extension or so, ill read the man
• 1999[18:14:30] <Voldenet> Welp, I don't think manual specifies .conf
• 2000[18:14:41] <{xmb}> k
• 2001[18:15:06] <Voldenet> but see your interfaces file to check if the line including sources is there
• 2002[18:15:41] <{xmb}> it includes a 'source ...d'
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• 2013[18:21:31] <Voldenet> {xmb}: Apparently, it doesn't include all files, interfaces.5 describes exactly how it works
• 2014[18:21:42] <{xmb}> aha
• 2015[18:21:58] <Voldenet> it's too long to describe, but check the INCLUDING OTHER FILES section
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• 2017[18:22:11] <{xmb}> thanks :))
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• 2021[18:23:12] <grobi> petn-randall: i will reboot now into an other os to proof that sound works there.. see you soon here or on #debian.de
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• 2024[18:24:01] <{xmb}> grobi, i included once all possible audio drivers in kernel compile config and had more alsa options then
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• 2070[18:48:29] <Prestige> I've installed python 3.7 via 'apt-get -t testing install python3.7', but it appears modules I've installed with 'pip3' aren't reflected when running 'python3.7'
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• 2072[18:48:52] <Prestige> Is there a way to have python3.7 see those packages, or do I have to do something different?
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• 2074[18:49:03] <Wulf> Prestige: do not use pip like that.
• 2075[18:49:18] <Prestige> How should I use pip?
• 2076[18:49:20] <Wulf> Prestige: use a virtualenv and install into there.
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• 2078[18:49:41] <Prestige> so is it not possible?
• 2079[18:49:48] <Wulf> Prestige: python3.7 -m venv /path/to/new/venv; /path/to/new/venv/bin/pip install Prestige
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• 2082[18:50:56] <Wulf> perhaps install/upgrade wheel, pip, setuptools into that venv before installing any other packages
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• 2084[18:52:00] <Wulf> Prestige: replaced-url
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• 2094[19:00:13] <petn-randall> narutowaifu: Debian.
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• 2097[19:00:49] <petn-randall> narutowaifu: What issue are you trying to solve, or understand? We might be able to give you a more straight-forward answer.
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• 2099[19:01:37] <Prestige> Wulf: so that doesn't work for me, saying I need python3-venv; but I already have that. Do I need to install some testing version?
• 2100[19:02:01] <Wulf> Prestige: python3.7-venv
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• 2109[19:03:07] <blackflow> Prestige: can you define "does not work"? when working with python venv, you always have to use the python binary from the venv, either directly our source the "activate" script
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• 2115[19:03:31] <Prestige> He already answered my question blackflow
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• 2118[19:03:36] <blackflow> that means you must use pip, setuptools and/or any other module, straight from the venv
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• 2123[19:04:42] <blackflow> Prestige: well you don. any python's virtualenv function would work. virtualenv --no-site-packages -p python3.7 /desired/path/to/venv/...
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• 2125[19:04:45] <blackflow> *don0t
• 2126[19:04:52] <blackflow> gah. *don't
• 2127[19:04:58] <Prestige> I don't what?
• 2128[19:05:04] <blackflow> need a special package.
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• 2130[19:05:35] <blackflow> (you just need that python installed so it can be linked into the venv)
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• 2133[19:06:00] <Prestige> I didn't have the package installed to create the venv blackflow
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• 2136[19:06:40] <blackflow> Prestige: you said "I already have that"
• 2137[19:06:50] <blackflow> well, shrug. You got it working?
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• 2139[19:07:13] <Prestige> Yep, like I said, he already answered my question
• 2140[19:07:33] <blackflow> awesome. :)
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• 2189[19:26:14] <serard> Hello
• 2190[19:26:22] <serard> Are all apt-get update down ?
• 2191[19:26:39] <Mathisen> nope
• 2192[19:26:48] <serard> I have a vanilla debian stretch, I cannot run apt-get update
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• 2194[19:27:11] <nuxil> whats the error?
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• 2196[19:27:47] <serard> well I'm using vagrant, I just destroyed the VM and running it up again
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• 2198[19:28:08] <serard> it's been 3 times trying. My scripts were ok yesterday (provisioning).
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• 2203[19:29:49] <grobi> petn-randall: audio problem fixed :)
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• 2210[19:33:28] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
• 2211[19:33:29] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2212[19:33:32] <jelly> serard, ^
• 2213[19:34:37] <jelly> serard, before that, verify you have working network and working dns inside your VM
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• 2217[19:36:47] <serard> thanks jelly :)
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• 2244[19:56:00] <R00T3R> It's a good afternoon. What IRC command do I see when a nickname is not online?
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• 2248[19:57:49] <at0m> R00T3R: you don't "see command" on irc
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• 2253[19:59:00] <at0m> you could /msg nickserv info $nick
• 2254[19:59:05] <joepublic> unless you are looking at a list of irc commands, in which case you see them independently of whether the nickname you are thinking of is in some sense "online" or not.
• 2255[19:59:27] <R00T3R> I want to see status of an IRC user. But he's not online at the moment. I wonder when he was here.
• 2256[19:59:37] <joepublic> there is also the historical command /whowas so-and-so, if that's working for you
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• 2258[20:00:01] <at0m> /whowas works if you were on when $user was
• 2259[20:00:05] <rwp> Some channels have 'bots that keep track of that information. It is bot dependent and channel dependent.
• 2260[20:00:13] <at0m> /msg nickserv info $nick
• 2261[20:00:15] <joepublic> whowas is a server command. servers vary as to the length of time that they retain the whowas data. it's not about you.
• 2262[20:00:24] <at0m> if $nick is registered, at least
• 2263[20:00:30] <R00T3R> thanks for questions
• 2264[20:00:38] <at0m> joepublic: oh, thanks
• 2265[20:00:44] <R00T3R> I trie commmands
• 2266[20:01:18] <at0m> anyhow, so much for 1337 R00Ting
• 2267[20:01:31] <joepublic> rzerozero, you might also note that many channels' logs are maintained online. You could read such an online log for evidence of $nick having participated.
• 2268[20:01:51] <purplepod> crazy stalker mode engaged lol
• 2269[20:02:18] <gimbleguy> at0m: lol
• 2270[20:02:40] <joepublic> if anyone asks, a crazy stalker might say "Oh, I owe them twenty [euros|dollars|pounds|rubles] and I need to talk to them about paying it back.
• 2271[20:03:04] <R00T3R> Sorry for many years without getting into irc.
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• 2273[20:03:18] <joepublic> don't try "twenty pesos" or "twenty cents" though, as that would be less believable.
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• 2278[20:05:04] <R00T3R> Once again many thanks to all !!
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• 2309[20:23:29] <VinAlencc> Hello, guys! How are you? Just one question: when I'm creating a secondary DHCP server (over GNU/Linux, or any other OS), am I obliged to use the option "split" to 'balance' the IPs over the MASTER/SLAVE servers? Or can I omit it?
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• 2314[20:25:39] <petn-randall> VinAlencc: If you have two DHCP servers, they need to communicate somehow to avoid giving out the same IP twice.
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• 2316[20:26:30] <joepublic> theoretically, the race condition method would also be viable
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• 2318[20:26:44] <joepublic> if usually undesirable
• 2319[20:27:44] <VinAlencc> petn-randall joepublic: Got it. Thanks, guys!
• 2320[20:28:00] <joepublic> the key word, by the way, was "undesirable." good luck!
• 2321[20:28:15] <VinAlencc> joepublic: Thanks! :-)
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• 2323[20:30:19] <petn-randall> joepublic: How is that a race condition?
• 2324[20:30:52] <petn-randall> joepublic: Server A hands out IP 10.0.0.5, an hour later server B does the same. Now you have a IP address conflict on your LAN.
• 2325[20:31:01] <petn-randall> It's not really racy, it's just misconfigured.
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• 2327[20:31:14] <joepublic> given two dhcp servers that don't know about each other, and one who sanity-checks whether an ip is in use before giving it out, could be racing the other doing the same thing.
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• 2346[20:43:44] <petn-randall> That's why modern DHCP servers split it by bitmask, so only one answers, and the other only answers if it thinks the first one is down.
• 2347[20:45:04] <joepublic> That sounds more desirable than setting up race conditions and calling it a day
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• 2351[20:46:12] <watom> anyone know why if i set 'deb replaced-url
• 2352[20:46:27] <watom> apt should support https and the morrir have https working
• 2353[20:47:05] <serard> Hello
• 2354[20:47:08] <serard> I get this : Err:5 replaced-url
• 2355[20:47:11] <serard> on apt-get u pdate
• 2356[20:47:12] <joepublic> only the user reading the error message has a good chance to figure that one out, as with so many.
• 2357[20:47:38] <watom> it doesn't show errors
• 2358[20:47:59] <serard> The repository 'replaced-url
• 2359[20:48:07] <joepublic> pardon me. I didn't mean to imply that I want to GUESS WHAT IT IS DOING INSTEAD OF WHAT YOU WANT. That is not the case.
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• 2361[20:48:41] <serard> while replaced-url
• 2362[20:48:46] <petn-randall> watom: neither is true; neither is needed.
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• 2364[20:48:54] <petn-randall> !bat
• 2365[20:48:54] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2366[20:49:10] <petn-randall> serard: Can you provide all info from the factoid in a single paste? ^^^^
• 2367[20:49:25] <serard> yep preparing it sorry ..
• 2368[20:49:32] <at0m> watom: as per replaced-url
• 2369[20:49:51] <watom> i tried even without it
• 2370[20:49:57] <watom> it stop at 0%
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• 2373[20:50:18] <watom> doesn't like the https
• 2374[20:50:30] <petn-randall> watom: Do you have apt-transport-https installed?
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• 2378[20:51:48] <serard> replaced-url
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• 2382[20:53:47] <watom> petn-randall: thank you. now is working
• 2383[20:54:10] <serard> petn-randall, replaced-url
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• 2385[20:55:44] <watom> sadly there is no https for security repository
• 2386[20:55:59] <petn-randall> watom: Note that not all mirrors support https. It's not needed for security, and just adds more code that could get injected.
• 2387[20:56:18] <petn-randall> FSVO "sadly"
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• 2391[20:57:42] <Peyam> hi. everytime I plug out the external monitor from my laptop I have still black screen on my laptop and it won't turn on the screen automatically
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• 2394[20:58:08] <Peyam> so I need to ctrl + alt + f1 and write reboot
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• 2396[20:58:25] <Peyam> what should I do to fix this problem.
• 2397[20:58:33] <joepublic> reboot is probably not your only option in that situation.
• 2398[20:58:50] <Peyam> joepublic, I don
• 2399[20:58:57] <Peyam> I dont know any other solution
• 2400[21:00:04] <joepublic> failing sane things, you could "killall lightdm" (or whatever your display manager is) and it would most likely come up with a working display
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• 2402[21:00:52] <Peyam> I use xfce
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• 2404[21:00:58] <joepublic> a dirty kludge might be a keyboard shortcut that runs xrandr and selects the LVDS
• 2405[21:00:59] <Peyam> I think I use lightdm yes
• 2406[21:01:22] <Peyam> what would the command be for the shortcut?
• 2407[21:02:51] <joepublic> probably something like xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1920x1080 (but with your output name and resoltion)
• 2408[21:03:38] <Peyam> how do I know that LVDS is the correct screen? where can I se the list of screens?
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• 2410[21:04:34] <joepublic> just type xrandr|less and look over what your outputs are and what resolutions are available for each
• 2411[21:06:20] <joepublic> One of my monitors quits working and I do in fact have a launcher to run xrandr and revive it.
• 2412[21:06:22] <Peyam> replaced-url
• 2413[21:06:34] <joepublic> So I am not saying it's a good solution, just a tested/working one
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• 2416[21:07:21] <Peyam> it should be --output eDP-1
• 2417[21:07:22] <Peyam> right
• 2418[21:07:30] <Peyam> ?
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• 2420[21:07:34] <joepublic> if you are currently looking at just the internal display, then your output is called eDP-1 and your resolution is 1920x1080 according to this, yes, exactly
• 2421[21:07:45] <Peyam> thanks
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• 2423[21:08:45] <joepublic> nice. all my laptops have that 1366x728. Probably because I am cheap.
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• 2425[21:08:59] <Peyam> I got this one for free
• 2426[21:09:00] <Peyam> hahahah
• 2427[21:09:18] <joepublic> Though I did get rid of the one that did a max resolution of 1024x600
• 2428[21:09:19] <Peyam> from my brother. my other laptops all were 1366
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• 2431[21:15:20] <Peyam> replaced-url
• 2432[21:15:35] <Peyam> one for primary and one for secondary
• 2433[21:15:45] <joepublic> I think you have DP-1 in place of eDP-1
• 2434[21:16:10] <Peyam> joepublic, DP-1 is the displayport to the external monitor
• 2435[21:16:27] <Peyam> from terminal : eDP-1 connected primary 1920x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted r
• 2436[21:16:27] <joepublic> Oh, okay
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• 2438[21:17:06] <Peyam> hope it works. thank you very much. I had this problem in some month and I needed to reboot each time
• 2439[21:17:12] <joepublic> xrandr (x resize and rotate) is very powerful and capable, with zillions of options.
• 2440[21:17:35] <Peyam> joepublic, yes and what is that lightdm?
• 2441[21:17:49] <Peyam> i though xfce was a windows manager
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• 2445[21:18:26] <joepublic> lightdm - if you are down to having to reboot because of no video, you could kill lightdm and when it restarts, it would reitinialize the video and then start xfce fresh
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• 2448[21:18:47] <Peyam> but will it close all applications?
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• 2452[21:19:30] <Peyam> that is not a good option
• 2453[21:19:39] <joepublic> beats reboot.,
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• 2603[22:47:39] <linuxthefish> hey, where can I find netinstall iso image for unstable? argh the downloads page is so confusing
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• 2606[22:48:10] <RoyK> ,v bareos
• 2607[22:48:11] <judd> Package: bareos on amd64 -- jessie: 14.2.1+20141017gitc6c5b56-3+deb8u3; stretch: 16.2.4-3+deb9u2; sid: 16.2.6-4
• 2608[22:48:15] <n4dir> pretty sure there is no install iso for unstable, but you will have to upgrade to it. linuxthefish
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• 2611[22:48:32] <linuxthefish> ah nvm found it! on replaced-url
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• 2690[23:23:05] <annadane> linuxthefish, that's testing. but i think in the installer there's a choice to install unstable
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• 2692[23:23:23] <annadane> though what one usually does is install a minimal stable then update to unstable
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• 2697[23:27:27] <annadane> in expert install, i mean, there's an option for unstable
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• 2704[23:33:30] <n4dir> minor comment: if you install a minimal stable, then upgrade to testing and from there to unstable.
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• 2711[23:36:25] <nuxil> is wine still the thing you use if you want to install/run windows apps under linux? or are there better options now? just tried wine and it was a big fail.
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• 2714[23:37:42] <annadane> wine is standard
• 2715[23:37:52] <annadane> paste the errors? paste.debian.net
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• 2717[23:37:58] <annadane> and also what you did to get those errors
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• 2729[23:42:32] <nuxil> annadane, what i did? i tried to install a win app. 1st using apt. but wine is broken in stretch. as in missing packages. like gecko and so on. so i compile from source with all packages. but wine fails to run my installer. no wine errors just gui error in wine from installer. i look at winehq and see my app is not listed. previouse version has gold tho.
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• 2736[23:44:26] <nuxil> i'll mess around a bit more before i kick wine out of my computer if it continue to fail.
• 2737[23:45:01] <annadane> before trying a million things, first try to fix the first problem
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• 2739[23:45:24] <annadane> wiki.debian.org/Wine tells you how to install it
• 2740[23:45:35] <annadane> if you just guess at solutions then you're no closer to solving it
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• 2745[23:46:30] <annadane> also, apt show gecko returns nothing for me, so i'm not sure what you mean
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• 2754[23:47:35] <nuxil> replaced-url
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• 2756[23:47:43] <nuxil> same goes for debian
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• 2760[23:49:08] <annadane> i don't know, i've never used wine-gecko, i just use the stock wine installation...
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• 2762[23:49:24] <annadane> ,v wine-gecko
• 2763[23:49:25] <judd> No package named 'wine-gecko' was found in amd64.
• 2764[23:49:53] <nuxil> replaced-url
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• 2766[23:50:17] <annadane> replaced-url
• 2767[23:50:22] <annadane> all of it is apparently jessie, oldstable
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• 2769[23:51:03] <annadane> i'll let someone who knows more about wine answer, though
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• 2782[23:57:33] <p3rror> Hello
• 2783[23:58:02] <p3rror> any tutorial or how to make a new file systems in an ActiveKey
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