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102 [00:50:33] <fuxxy> I need to pass some module options to the bttv module. I added my options in /etc/modprobe.d/bttv, but dmesg is not showing the options applied at boot time. Am I doing something incorrectly?
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125 [01:05:13] <zarulelzani> ?
126 [01:05:22] <zarulelzani> linux channel?
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153 [01:13:00] <redcheckers> anyone know if there's a file i need to edit on the debian live gnome for amd 64 before i can use it with the keyboard on my hp chromebook 14?
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363 [01:26:17] <trysten> redcheckers: I have a hp chromebook 11 and the keyboard is wrong. you have to fn+f_n_ to send f_n_
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365 [01:27:37] <redcheckers> trysten: i can't even seem to type
366 [01:27:49] <redcheckers> are you saying if i hold fn down, maybe i can?
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379 [01:32:04] <purplepod> redcheckers, I'd go check the galliumos wiki entry for your chromebook, they did a lot of work to get the keyboards and stuff working right. its an ubuntu variant, but it ought to be possible to implement whatever fix they did on debian
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385 [01:35:02] <velix> Uhm... am I on Kernel 4.18 or 4.18.6? Linux velix 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.18.6-1~bpo9+1 (2018-09-13) x86_64
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388 [01:36:48] <trysten> velix: 4.18.6 is the kernel version
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391 [01:37:27] <mutante> where does the 18.0-0 part come from
392 [01:38:48] <velix> That appears when I login.
393 [01:38:54] <velix> Oh wait, let me check uname -r
394 [01:39:04] <velix> It says: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
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396 [01:39:27] <velix> oh my...
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399 [01:40:20] <velix> confusing: replaced-url
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401 [01:40:38] <trysten> My bad, 4.18.6 is the kernel _release_
402 [01:40:53] <velix> really confusing :D
403 [01:40:59] <trysten> See replaced-url
404 [01:41:15] <velix> trysten: thanks
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409 [01:44:25] <velix> Opps, I forgot to install bash-autocomplete ... that explains all the beeps :D
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449 [02:14:28] <csmall> I'm using testing and have had no trouble with wifi at until recent updates. Now my laptop doesn't auto connect anymore and Network Manager just doesn't work. It always complains about secrets not being provided. ANyone know what caused this?
450 [02:14:50] <csmall> I can connect manually with wpa_supplicant and then manually running dhclient
451 [02:14:58] <csmall> only both with sudo though
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480 [02:34:34] <nescio> csmall: I have never had that issue myself but it sounds, from the error about secrets not being provided, like Network Manager lost the password that it uses to autoconnect to your wifi network. I did a quick search and found this stackexchange question which may help: replaced-url
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483 [02:36:05] <csmall> nescio: Thanks but it is a deepe issue than that. The password is provided and doesn't work. I previously was not using Network Manager and I just had wpa_supplicant doing all the work. I just tried using Network Manager after that broke and noticed it doesn't work.
484 [02:36:12] <csmall> deeper
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487 [02:38:26] <cryptodan_mobile> csmall: does it work as another user?
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489 [02:41:24] <csmall> cryptodan_mobile: I only have one user on the laptop but Network Manager doesn't work with sudo either. I also have to use sudo to manually connect with wpa_supplicant and I have to manually run dhclient with sudo after wpa_supplicant
490 [02:41:47] <csmall> It used to just launch, connect and pull an address with no intervention
491 [02:41:59] <csmall> Without Network Manager
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494 [02:43:03] <cryptodan_mobile> Try creating a new user and test there
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496 [02:43:51] <csmall> cryptodan_mobile: ok
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498 [02:44:16] <csmall> cryptodan_mobile: Something changed because it worked fine for a long time.
499 [02:44:33] <nescio> csmall: Have you tried `sudo apt purge network-manager` and then re-installing the packages that were removed? (You didn't mention if you had so I'm just wondering). A configuration file could have gotten mangled after an update and this may fix it.
500 [02:44:48] <cryptodan_mobile> The new user will check global or profile issue
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502 [02:45:16] <csmall> nescio: Good suggestion. I will try that as well.
503 [02:45:20] <csmall> cryptodan_mobile: ok
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546 [03:06:05] <csmall> nescio: I think I have it working now.
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548 [03:07:16] <SpeakerToMeat> And the answer after two days of suffering is yes. Updating the nvidia drivers did solve my issue
549 [03:07:21] <SpeakerToMeat> thank the gods
550 [03:07:42] <csmall> nescio: Using Network Manager. I still don't know what broke or why but I removed the manual entry for networks in wpa_supplicant and the network entry from the interface itself in interfaces.d
551 [03:08:57] <nescio> csmall: Good to hear!
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588 [03:43:37] <captainwilder> is there a version of debian that comes with kernel 4.19 out of box?
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592 [03:45:47] <nkuttler> ,kernels
593 [03:45:48] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-trunk-686-pae (4.19.5-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-3-686 (4.18.20-2); buster: 4.18.0-3-686 (4.18.20-2); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-
594 [03:45:49] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
595 [03:45:59] <nkuttler> captainwilder: no
596 [03:46:04] <captainwilder> rip
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598 [03:46:17] <captainwilder> buster: 4.18.0-3-686 (4.18.20-2) might do
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603 [03:49:23] <blackflow> why rip. 4.19 just had a very nice fs corruption thingy going on.
604 [03:49:53] <captainwilder> well i don't need 4.19 per say, i need at least 4.15
605 [03:50:03] <captainwilder> and don't wanna use ubuntu
606 [03:50:25] <captainwilder> stretch is just too old with 4.9 for the hardware i have for this install
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608 [03:50:46] <annadane> stretch-backports has 4.18...
609 [03:51:20] <annadane> it depends on what you mean by out of the box, if you mean you need it to install on your computer because otherwise it won't then it gets more complicated but one can always install 4.18 from backports if it's a generic question
610 [03:51:28] <watchcat> been using 4.17 in stretch with no issues.
611 [03:51:41] <captainwilder> is there a simple way to get the backport into an installer? the trouble is on 4.9 there is no way to configure my ethernet or wifi
612 [03:51:54] <mason> captainwilder: You can always just compile a kernel if you have specific requirements.
613 [03:52:09] <mason> captainwilder: Have you tried the firmware- ISOs?
614 [03:52:18] <mason> Or is it that there simply isn't a driver?
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616 [03:52:36] <watchcat> just add backports to your sources list and install it. simple as that.
617 [03:52:36] <captainwilder> 4.15+ seem to work with this hardware out of box
618 [03:53:04] <mason> captainwilder: You could always boot up an Ubuntu live CD and install with debootstrap and some hand-configuring.
619 [03:53:25] <mason> replaced-url
620 [03:53:37] <captainwilder> yeah im on a ubuntu live cd now lol
621 [03:53:47] <captainwilder> becuz it can internet
622 [03:53:57] <mason> That wouldn't be a terrible way to go then. Bit circuitous, but reliable.
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624 [03:54:27] <captainwilder> might be better off just settling for ubuntu i suppose
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626 [03:55:01] <mason> That'd be easier. The process wouldn't involve as much learning. Installing Debian with debootstrap might be fun.
627 [03:56:24] <captainwilder> it's not that i don't want to learn or go through the trouble its that i don't want to run into problems later and have to start over because i frankensteined something wrong to start with
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629 [03:56:43] <mason> captainwilder: Take careful notes. And you'd end up with a perfectly viable, supportable install.
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631 [03:59:27] <captainwilder> good point
632 [03:59:32] <captainwilder> def lookin forward to debian buster release.
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639 [04:05:14] <daniel-s> If there is a DSA mailed out to the mailing list does that mean that there are issues that have been patched, or is it a warning to watch out for known vulnerabilities?
640 [04:05:18] <watchcat> you can also just download the required package and its dependencies, put them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ , and apt-get will happily install them from there.
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642 [04:05:45] <mason> daniel-s: It means there's a correction to be applied.
643 [04:06:11] <SpeakerToMeat> Is there any way to permanently "trick" any packaging system (mostly aptitude but I bet this is a numbering issue) so it accepts 3.0.4 is newer than 1:2.8.4 ?
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648 [04:08:11] <mason> SpeakerToMeat: replaced-url
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666 [04:21:54] <Kremator> hello folks, which release branch of debian should i use if i want something more or less the same as Ubuntu STS (you know, the ones that gets released every 6 months or so)
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684 [04:39:36] <awal1> kremator, unstable (sid)
685 [04:40:10] <awal1> (it is not a release)
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687 [04:40:17] <awal1> dpkg: unstable
688 [04:40:17] <dpkg> Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. replaced-url
689 [04:40:50] <awal1> not a release in the sence of stable branch
690 [04:40:58] <awal1> dpkg: sid
691 [04:40:58] <dpkg> well, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
692 [04:41:22] <mason> Kremator: I'd think maybe testing would be more appropriate.
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694 [04:42:29] <annadane> Kremator, replaced-url
695 [04:43:04] <annadane> but i think really with debian you start with the assumption debian stable + backports has what you need and then narrow it down from there
696 [04:43:18] <annadane> replaced-url
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698 [04:44:50] <Kremator> mason, annadane, awal1 tahnks you all for the usggestions
699 [04:45:04] <Kremator> does debian 9 still supports flgrx drivers btw?
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708 [04:53:08] <annadane> worth noting the only debian 'release' is stable, testing and unstable 'exist' so packages can be tested and eventually filter into stable
709 [04:53:20] <annadane> some people do run testing or sid without significant issue but YMMV
710 [04:53:49] <annadane> er, misuse of quotes - 'exist so packages can be tested and filter into stable'
711 [04:54:20] <annadane> (actually that may be wrong, i don't know the historical reasons why they exist)
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746 [05:28:28] <rk[ghost]> does dist-upgrade upgrade the kernel?
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773 [05:50:04] <annadane> rk[ghost], it should, yes
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794 [06:08:04] <rwp> rk[ghost], If and only if you have the linux meta package installed that depends upon the latest kernel. linux-image-amd64 for the amd64 architecture for example.
795 [06:09:04] <rwp> That should be the default as installed.
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797 [06:11:29] <CaptainWilder> Hello. In arch pacman there is a way to do pacman -Qkk which will querry all installed packages and check the files owned by given package are installed. THis is useful for things like pacman -Qkk | grep missing to find missing files. Is there a apt/apt-get/apt-cache equivalent to this?
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806 [06:21:25] <rwp> CaptainWilder asked a question and then left only 8 minutes later. Patience is a virtue.
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816 [06:29:26] <Starz0r> Is there a way to compile the kernel and userland for debian?
817 [06:29:38] <Starz0r> specifically for arm64, I don't want to use the port
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821 [06:31:35] <rwp> Starz0r, Are you planning on cross compiling it? If so then that is the way to do it.
822 [06:31:51] <Starz0r> rwp: yeah, but I'm wondering where I can find the userland
823 [06:32:11] <Starz0r> I was going to compile raspbian in full 64-bit, but I can't find where they put the actual userland
824 [06:32:33] <rwp> There are a zillion ways to get the source. One way is apt-get source $packagename and another is to git clone the repositories.
825 [06:32:54] <Starz0r> isn't there a tool for this?
826 [06:33:08] <rwp> The initial bootstrap has a dependency bootstrap cycle that you will need to work through in order to build the dependencies to build the dependencies.
827 [06:33:21] <rwp> A tool? gcc? make?
828 [06:33:28] <Starz0r> How would the debian team, or rapsbian team compile the entire distro into a image file is what I'm saying
829 [06:33:43] <rwp> Probably some variation on pbuilder.
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833 [06:34:10] <rwp> I haven't tried to rebuild the entire repository so this is a little bit of a scramble for me. But I have built a lot of stuff from source
834 [06:34:47] <rwp> At one time I maintained a large portion of a GNU port to PA-RISC. But that wasn't Debian.
835 [06:34:58] <Starz0r> well, I'd like to crossgrade, but apt makes it very difficult to do
836 [06:35:46] <rwp> I know people have crossgraded from x86 32-bit to 64-bit. Therefore I know it is possible.
837 [06:36:11] <rwp> I would look for some blog postings from people doing that and look to see what they wrote about. Probably a lot of good info there.
838 [06:36:16] <Starz0r> I'm going from armhf to arm64 basically
839 [06:36:30] <Starz0r> and I did already, but a lot of the information seems out of date
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842 [06:37:14] <Starz0r> for example, the debian wiki says I should go crossgrade apt, tar, and dpkg first, but, even with my 64-bit kernel, apt refuses to make those changes cleanly, even though it could
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844 [06:37:23] <rwp> Well... I think there will need to be some effort put into a project like that. No way to get around it.
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846 [06:39:04] <rwp> I haven't looked at any docs on this in years. But I would expect you would need to use a chroot and stuff working binaries into there and try to bootstrap up from there.
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848 [06:40:21] <rwp> I would expect it would take a cycle or two of bootstrapping in order to get enough working to get apt to work.
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853 [06:46:27] <Starz0r> rwp: I'll just go with building the distro in 64-bit and save myself the hassel, do you have a wiki page related to this?
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857 [06:49:30] <rwp> I know nothing. Less and less every day.
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864 [06:54:42] <annadane> i'm half asleep and not following the convo properly at all but the general thing i've heard about 32 -> 64 upgrades is "just reinstall, it's easier"
865 [06:54:51] <annadane> and that's all i know. don't shoot the messenger
866 [06:55:01] <annadane> especially one who can barely stay awake, good night
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922 [07:59:04] <__adan> hi, guys... i wanna asking you guys a bored question:: how different of this two path: /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu , /usr/include/linux ,,, actually i saw a lot same file in /usr/include ... why??
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1007 [09:36:00] <daggs1> Greetings, I need to create a private network between my vms, one of the is the router, I've understood I need to create a virtual bridge, I assume I need to create a dummy nic for that, what is the proper config for debian to create the dummy nic, virtual bridge and make sure no ip will be assigned to it at boot time?
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1030 [09:56:16] <buu> daggs1: ip link add bridge
1031 [09:56:58] <buu> daggs1: ip link add name bridge0 type bridge
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1033 [09:57:23] <buu> ip link add name test1 type macvtap
1034 [09:57:29] <buu> etc
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1042 [10:05:33] <daggs1> buu, yeah, question is how to keep it presistent between boots?
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1057 [10:23:16] <buu> daggs1: add it to etc interfaces
1058 [10:23:48] <buu> My understanding is that sort of thing is just recreated at boot time by a script some place
1059 [10:23:57] <buu> So nearly anywhere that triggers a script at boot will work
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1064 [10:25:00] <daggs1> buu, unfortunatly, when it comes to Debian, I'm kinda novice, can you point me to a doc on this matter?
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1067 [10:26:37] <buu> daggs1: replaced-url
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1071 [10:30:32] <daggs1> buu, why do I need to run ip link add name test1 type macvtap?
1072 [10:30:54] <daggs1> is it enough to create the bridge?
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1075 [10:32:09] <buu> Generally no
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1078 [10:32:38] <buu> (very) loosely speaking a bridge is more like a switch
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1080 [10:32:48] <buu> And you need to attach other devices to it
1081 [10:33:41] <buu> So vm1 gets a vtap, vm2 gets a vtap then you create a bridge and enslave both vtaps to it
1082 [10:33:44] <buu> then they can talk to each other
1083 [10:33:59] <buu> (There's many, many other ways to do this, it just happens to be the one I know)
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1087 [10:36:15] <LnxBil> Hi there. Is there a way to NOT build dkms modules on install?
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1101 [10:42:58] <daggs1> buu, so, for each vm I want to connect, I need to assign a specific vtap and pass it via it's vm config?
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1104 [10:43:46] <buu> daggs1: most VM systems provide apis to do this for you
1105 [10:43:55] <buu> kvm, vbox, qemu, etc
1106 [10:44:19] <daggs1> I'm using libvirt
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1108 [10:45:20] <daggs1> from what I saw in the libvirt docs, I always need to define an ip range which isn't good for me
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1118 [10:51:06] <buu> naw
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1120 [10:51:12] <buu> you can do all sorts of strange things
1121 [10:51:56] <buu> daggs1: replaced-url
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1163 [11:25:42] <daggs1> buu, that is excatly what I don't need
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1165 [11:27:18] <daggs1> buu, if I'm not mistaken, what I need is a br0 which has no physical nic connected ot it and doens't provides dhpc
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1176 [11:36:36] <nuxil> Good dag.
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1178 [11:39:20] <nuxil> *day
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1182 [11:41:58] <XsiSec> hi guys how do I remove a broken symbalink when I right-click it says open with?
1183 [11:42:15] <XsiSec> the application is first in the list though doesn't exists
1184 [11:42:31] <nuxil> What does EOM mean in a sh script, not to be confused with EOF, ? someCmd -a -b -c "blah" 2 > /dev/ <<EOM
1185 [11:42:45] <nuxil> example if you look at replaced-url
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1187 [11:43:16] <nuxil> XsiSec, idk. sudo rm -Rf /path/to/file ?
1188 [11:43:48] <nuxil> there is unlink too.
1189 [11:45:02] <XsiSec> solved it since I am using openbox and obmenu-generator I did just generated a new menu
1190 [11:45:07] <XsiSec> thanks nuxil
1191 [11:45:44] <nuxil> np
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1193 [11:46:36] <nuxil> XsiSec, now. by any chance.. do you know the anwser to my Q :p
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1195 [11:47:28] <nuxil> i was thinking. End of Media or End of Message or something alone thouse lines.
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1197 [11:47:39] <n4dir> the web says it could mean "End Of Message", but it just a choosable trigger for "here documents"
1198 [11:48:20] <n4dir> "hort answer: it doesn't mean anything the shell cares about. It's just a marker you'll type later. You could type PINKUNICORNS and it would still work. – "
1199 [11:49:11] <XsiSec> nuxil, hmm
1200 [11:50:21] <n4dir> yup, the example from github looks to me like a here document. You are comfortable with them (or you need a quick link what they do?)
1201 [11:50:21] <nuxil> n4 ic. where are the docs? i tried man bash |grep EOM no results. same for sh.. but if you go a grep for EOF it does return some info about it. thout EOM had some meaning like EOF
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1203 [11:50:48] <n4dir> nuxil: as said "EOM" can be freely choosen. replaced-url
1204 [11:50:58] <XsiSec> nuxil, replaced-url
1205 [11:51:12] <XsiSec> very simplified answer nuxil
1206 [11:51:18] <n4dir> don't take my word for it though, i am really not good with bash/shell scripting, and even worse with here documents.
1207 [11:52:23] <nuxil> thanks
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1314 [13:09:34] <Ede|Popede> for some reason google kindly ignores greg's wiki. tldp, SO, cyberciti, lots of sites about *everything*, but not the "'official' channel FAQ". that's meh.
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1317 [13:10:27] <blackflow> hhhwat?
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1321 [13:12:17] <at0m> Ede|Popede: or maybe greg's wiki robots.txt google bot
1322 [13:12:27] <at0m> not sure, check it out
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1324 [13:13:02] <Ede|Popede> Disallow: /action/
1325 [13:13:22] <Ede|Popede> didn't google switch from robots.txt to some xml based stuff?
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1329 [13:14:04] <Ede|Popede> and: "site:mywiki.wooledge.org" gives plenty of results. may be the ranking maybe, no googleads? :>
1330 [13:14:17] <at0m> hmm yea nothing relevant in replaced-url
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1333 [13:14:36] <at0m> not using google, so idk
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1335 [13:15:08] <at0m> let it be another reason for you to steer clear of google, too =)
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1340 [13:17:46] <Ede|Popede> i really should take the time to compare it to ddg
1341 [13:18:37] <Ede|Popede> sidenote: the guide is moving to replaced-url
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1348 [13:20:38] <Ede|Popede> includes a scroll in sidebar menu. css only. goodbye, 90s.
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1423 [14:13:22] <danielboston26> is there program or something i can get that will let me change settings for my graphics card?
1424 [14:13:33] <danielboston26> regular settings app doesn't have anything
1425 [14:13:45] <xand> what settings and what graphics card?
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1438 [14:16:57] <_13LACK_> danielboston26: Yup... What graphics card are you using?
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1440 [14:17:22] <_13LACK_> danielboston26: Daniel é brasileiro?
1441 [14:17:27] <danielboston26> i have two the build in intel one and a nvidia card
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1443 [14:17:57] <nkuttler> danielboston26: well, which one do you use..
1444 [14:18:55] <danielboston26> nkuttler, right now i think its the intel not sure thats why i want to check
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1446 [14:19:24] <danielboston26> _13LACK_, whats e brasileiro?
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1448 [14:19:35] <nkuttler> danielboston26: check where the cable that's in your display is plugged in
1449 [14:19:45] <nkuttler> and please keep it English in here
1450 [14:20:32] <danielboston26> nkuttler, im using a laptop
1451 [14:20:52] <nkuttler> you have two graphics cards in your laptop?
1452 [14:21:12] <danielboston26> dedicated card and the built in mobo graphics
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1455 [14:22:00] <nkuttler> danielboston26: grep Driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log
1456 [14:22:13] <nkuttler> read the output, or paste.debian.net
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1458 [14:22:37] <TRPM8> join #fedora
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1461 [14:23:15] <danielboston26> TRPM8, haha your funny
1462 [14:23:40] <danielboston26> nkuttler, its using the intel driver i found the wiki to help me install the nvidia driver
1463 [14:23:53] <TRPM8> how simple misstyping makes a joke :-)
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1465 [14:24:34] <__m4ch1n3__> hey! would this "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1M" safely erase all data from an mmc/sd card?
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1468 [14:25:05] <_13LACK_> danielboston26, Sorry... Daniel is a very used name here in Brazil... I thought you was Brazilian.
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1470 [14:25:18] <Mathisen> __m4ch1n3__, yep
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1472 [14:25:26] <Wulf> __m4ch1n3__: how paranoid are you?
1473 [14:25:33] <danielboston26> _13LACK_, nope read my full name to see where im from :p
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1479 [14:26:05] <danielboston26> does the sd formatting tool work on linux? that would be another way to do it
1480 [14:26:13] <danielboston26> i find that works better
1481 [14:26:15] <Wulf> __m4ch1n3__: there may be a few blocks that you won't overwrite with that method.
1482 [14:26:22] <__m4ch1n3__> Wulf, enough :3
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1485 [14:28:05] <_13LACK_> are you alread try to use fdisk command to format it?
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1487 [14:30:10] <__m4ch1n3__> why format it? dd to unix path of device should overright all partions ant partition table, want give the card away so dont care if its formated
1488 [14:31:28] <__m4ch1n3__> or partitioned
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1490 [14:32:37] <Wulf> __m4ch1n3__: give it away to whom? Some people may find it hard to use a card with broken or nonexisting partition table.
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1492 [14:33:17] <__m4ch1n3__> Wulf which bloks could be that? some very first or last blocks?
1493 [14:33:45] <Wulf> random, e.g. if they're broken.
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1497 [14:34:23] <Wulf> data can still be read, but only with considerable effort.
1498 [14:34:43] <__m4ch1n3__> ah thas ok, just dont wanna see my nudes tomorow on the webs :D
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1500 [14:35:15] <Wulf> nobody would pay that kind of money for this ;-)
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1509 [14:40:37] <__m4ch1n3__> btw android device should prompt a dialog on card insert if it shal create prtion if non were found
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1526 [14:51:13] <danielboston26> I am trying to setup the nvidia driver and I got this error after generating the nvidia configuration in xorg
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1529 [14:52:46] <danielboston26> Failed to start light display manager see systemct1 status lighten.services for details
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1532 [14:55:18] <__m4ch1n3__> show xorg.conf
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1534 [14:55:46] <Ede|Popede> does debian have some typewriter training/learning program?
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1537 [14:58:46] <blackflow> the keyboard? :)))
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1543 [15:01:29] <nkuttler> Ede|Popede: apt-cache search typing tutor
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1545 [15:02:19] <Ede|Popede> nkuttler: nice, thanks. typewriter seems to have been the wrong search term.
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1555 [15:07:22] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
1556 [15:07:24] <__m4ch1n3__> :D
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1563 [15:12:54] * Ede|Popede giggles
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1565 [15:13:31] <Ede|Popede> iirc there's also a tetris clone where you have to hit the correct letter
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1570 [15:16:18] <bites> ,i typespeed
1571 [15:16:19] <judd> Package typespeed (games, optional) in stretch/amd64: Zap words flying across the screen by typing them correctly. Version: 0.6.5-2.1+b2; Size: 66.6k; Installed: 198k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1651 [16:17:36] <simpledat> Hi, Are you using virtualbox? If so, do you have vt-x enabled in bios?
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1662 [16:24:28] <FingerX> simpledat: what do you do if 5 people answer, 3 with yes and 2 with no?
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1664 [16:24:51] <simpledat> FingerX: I dont care about speed improvements. I cant install debian for some reason. If you read this: replaced-url
1665 [16:24:54] <simpledat> Yes, I have vt-x disabled.
1666 [16:24:55] <simpledat> I was going to install debian 32 bit.
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1668 [16:25:42] <FingerX> i was just polling you who was polling. i am not the social type who helps others.
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1670 [16:27:18] <terr_> I am looking into a multiboot system - I want to keep the winders operating systems just in case I need them. But my first setp is to get Debian back up and running. I have several computers. 2 are laptops: one with winders 7 pro and the other with winders 7 not pro. I have started looking into YUMI. as I understand it a USB thumb drive will be formatted with FAT32 and there will be some crap on it. As I understand it I can download YUMI which should be
1671 [16:27:18] <terr_> (is?) a windows executable and use it to install a boot image of linux into the USB Thumb drive. If so my question is - what version of linus goes on the Thumb drive? Probably I would like Debian with the KDE shell. How do I make this happen? I would ALSO like that thumb drive to be multiboot so that if I need to I can use it to boot up windows so I can move it to another machine or use it in rescue mode.
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1675 [16:29:16] <__m4ch1n3__>
1676 [16:29:53] <__m4ch1n3__> YUMI YUMI YUMI i got luv in my tummy
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1681 [16:31:31] <FingerX> tummy good
1682 [16:31:48] <__m4ch1n3__> terr_ if you have uefi figure out howto open config menu on startup, uefi recognizez bootable partitions and you can boot them without grub
1683 [16:32:34] <__m4ch1n3__> change bootorder or maybe there is an option to show boot menu on startup
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1685 [16:33:25] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__ I am not familiar with uefi. Last I set up a machine like this was 1998
1686 [16:33:58] <__m4ch1n3__> its similar to what bios menu used to be
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1688 [16:34:10] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__ should I use FAT32 or NTFS on the thumb?
1689 [16:35:00] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__ I already changed the boot order. That is a BIOS setting. Boots from USB first.
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1692 [16:36:36] <__m4ch1n3__> actually dont know where you got this instructions but they are outdated
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1695 [16:37:43] <__m4ch1n3__> current isos are hybrid and are flashed to drives with rsync or dd to drive as the are.
1696 [16:37:53] <__m4ch1n3__> -drives
1697 [16:38:31] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__ I am no familiar with the new tools. I have never used GRUB. As I understand it YUMI is the way to go and NTFS is refered to. I do not know if this is recomended. Also since its only a thumb drive I can cchange it down the track. I just want to get some idea what to look for
1698 [16:38:32] <__m4ch1n3__> if you want keep a system then dont removed it,
1699 [16:39:30] <__m4ch1n3__> again
1700 [16:39:37] <__m4ch1n3__> current isos are hybrid and are flashed to drives with rsync or dd
1701 [16:39:47] <terr_> Its on the USB... THere is no system there. I want to copy the HDD to a USB. This gives me gypsy boot (hopefully) and rescue capability.
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1705 [16:40:27] <terr_> dd in not in this machine. Its windows 7 pro. Feels like going back to the dark ages!
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1707 [16:40:48] <learnerwind> Hi. I can ping google and 8.8.8.8. But cant use apt
1708 [16:41:03] <learnerwind> How do i solve it?
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1712 [16:42:37] <__m4ch1n3__> learnerwind, read error output every word, if you dont know the word google it
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1715 [16:43:49] <learnerwind> _m4ch1n3_: i cant also use internet
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1718 [16:44:13] <__m4ch1n3__> terr_, this is the debian channel i dont know if windows has dd equivalent nor im interested in, try maybe a windows channel
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1720 [16:45:16] <__m4ch1n3__> learnerwind, if that were true then you would not be on this channel
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1722 [16:45:34] <learnerwind> I am on my android
1723 [16:45:50] <__m4ch1n3__> THEN GOOGLE IT ON ANDROID omfg
1724 [16:46:03] <mtn> learnerwind: if you can ping, you are already on the internet ;)
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1726 [16:46:20] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__ please clarify something. The pendrivelinux website says YUMI is a multiboot USB creator. I presume a WINDOWS executable. 1) how does it install the boot records. Windows does not have dd. 2) the website says it uses syslinux if it can and GRUB if necessary. Well these must live on the USB and are part of the USB boot sequence. They ccretainly are NOT windows executables. Be nice if they clarified this.
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1728 [16:46:57] <__m4ch1n3__> clarify that on pendrivelinux channel
1729 [16:47:04] <petn-randall> terr_: Sorry, but how is your question related to Debian?
1730 [16:47:11] <terr_> learnerwind, be patient. The buys know their stuff!
1731 [16:47:28] <noln> !yumi
1732 [16:47:28] <dpkg> [yumi] a tool that can make bootable usb device. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>
1733 [16:47:47] <learnerwind> Mtn: i can ping but i guess i am having trouble because of time. It may afect ssl. So i cant install. Ntpdate to fixit
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1735 [16:47:54] <noln> besides, you're overcomplicating it. Install debian on the usb as if it were a normal disk, then install grub on the host disk and chainload the usb
1736 [16:48:06] <learnerwind> Terr_: what do you mean?
1737 [16:48:07] <noln> everything else is a waste of time
1738 [16:48:12] <terr_> petn-randall, because I want to get Debian on that USB stick. I am trying to figure out how. My previous Debian systems are no longer operational. Expertise is here.
1739 [16:48:16] <mtn> learnerwind: paste your entire apt error to dpaste.com and give us the link
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1741 [16:48:32] <learnerwind> I cant. I am on android
1742 [16:48:55] <petn-randall> terr_: The release notes have a list of supported options to install Debian. Yumi is not one of them.
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1744 [16:49:03] <mtn> learnerwind: ok, take a picture and put it on imgur.com and give us the link. we can't help without the error message
1745 [16:49:08] <__m4ch1n3__> make a photo with android past it on imgur
1746 [16:49:13] <__m4ch1n3__> *paste
1747 [16:49:22] <terr_> learnerwind, simple comments like I cannot ping. Well you are on the internet because you are talking with us. Another computer might not be talking. But you are on the net.
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1749 [16:50:25] <terr_> learnerwind, Can you clip and paste. Email it to me an I'll post if for you. You ccan use my published email. AlbertaGoldenHoney@nucleus.com
1750 [16:51:03] <terr_> mtn. Wow. Even more options. I didn't know we had that option!
1751 [16:51:51] <__m4ch1n3__> learnerwind, you can ping on that machine right?
1752 [16:52:14] <learnerwind> Yes
1753 [16:52:27] <learnerwind> But cant use http
1754 [16:52:40] <__m4ch1n3__> <your apt command> | nc termbin.com 9999
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1758 [16:55:03] <__m4ch1n3__> "But cant use http" thats nonsens
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1760 [16:55:59] <terr_> petn-randall, okay. I hadn't gotten that far. If I can get ANY copy of linux running I ccan go from there.
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1762 [16:57:14] <__m4ch1n3__> if you have no linux machine you could install virtualbox in windows, inside it install linux and passthrough usbdrive to linux in virtualbox
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1764 [16:57:24] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__, I'll just install YUMI and see if I can get SOME linux distro running.
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1766 [16:58:22] <__m4ch1n3__> !yumi
1767 [16:58:22] <dpkg> somebody said yumi was a tool that can make bootable usb device. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>
1768 [16:58:35] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__, sad but true. Only operating systems from hell
1769 [16:59:04] <__m4ch1n3__> terr_, it seems that you are help resistent
1770 [16:59:05] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__, hey thanks.
1771 [16:59:51] <terr_> !usb install
1772 [16:59:51] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
1773 [17:01:00] <__m4ch1n3__> virtualbox extension could be required to be able passthrough usb devices to guest system but im not sure, never runned a virtual machine hosted on windows
1774 [17:01:13] <__m4ch1n3__> *virtualbox extension pack
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1777 [17:02:53] <learnerwind> If i am right how could i set my clock right to use ssl without apt?
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1779 [17:03:22] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__, well. Scratch Yumi. This knowledge saved me days.
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1781 [17:04:00] <terr_> learnerwind, AFAIK SSL and APT are not realated and neither has anything to do with a clock
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1783 [17:04:41] <mtn> learnerwind: error messages would sure help ;)
1784 [17:05:44] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__, I have no experiance with VirtualBox. I have used VMware. Is there a reason I should use VirtualBox? I would normally go with VMware since I've used it before
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1788 [17:06:07] <learnerwind> Mtn: i am working on this. Downloading the image app on 3g
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1793 [17:08:39] <__m4ch1n3__> then go with vmware. I know that virtualbo can passthrough usb devices to guest system thats why recommended it, you will need that
1794 [17:09:30] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__, I do not know what VMware can do in this area. Yes I will need USB pass through.
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1796 [17:10:06] <__m4ch1n3__> yes if you want flash an iso to an usb drive
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1799 [17:10:44] <__m4ch1n3__> maybe the extension pack is required to nott sure
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1802 [17:11:15] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__, looks like Win2 disk imager will do what I need and it looks like Debian recomends it. So that is what I will try first. Later today. I'm going to go back to bed soon.
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1805 [17:13:47] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__, I'll have to set up a test machine first. Its not much of a deal. Its just I NEVER do this on a production machine.
1806 [17:13:53] <__m4ch1n3__> my thought when hybrid isos were introduced was: "this is 100% foolproof"
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1808 [17:14:00] <__m4ch1n3__> :D
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1810 [17:16:25] <__m4ch1n3__> dd if=path/to/iso of=/path/to/device bs=1M
1811 [17:16:29] <__m4ch1n3__> done
1812 [17:17:19] <annadane> you forgot to SYYYYYYNCCCCCC
1813 [17:17:43] <annadane> now your computer will explode
1814 [17:17:54] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__, where can I read up on hybrid isos
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1816 [17:18:49] <simpledat> pingfloyd: They asked me, What is "binary emulation"? I'm not familiar with
1817 [17:18:51] <simpledat> the term...
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1820 [17:20:33] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
1821 [17:20:53] <terr_> simpledat, I believe its when a virtual machine emulates a foriegn CPU's instruction set
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1824 [17:21:08] <__m4ch1n3__> in the FAQ's on debian.org, where else could it be?
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1827 [17:22:31] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__, thanks. I'll read it then I'm off to bed. I'll do it a few hours from now.
1828 [17:22:57] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__, its been years since I did this. I'm getting back into the harness
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1834 [17:24:32] <__m4ch1n3__> if your problem is debian related, search for tutorials on debian.org and ignore everything other and you will be able solve most problems in minutes
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1837 [17:26:03] <__m4ch1n3__> and calm down read slow so you undertand what its about and not only fast fast copy paste, it will take you in the end 10x as much time then slow reading
1838 [17:26:31] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__, actually they WILL be debian related as soon as I get Debian installed. My problem right now is retiring winders.
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1841 [17:28:32] <terr_> __m4ch1n3__, I actually read very quickely. Issue is when things are not explained. Example. Yumi. they talk about BOTH the windows side which is a windows executable and the USB side which has nothing to do with windows and they do not distinguish.
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1845 [17:29:25] <terr_> And they also do not clarify if one shoudl use FAT32 or NTFS and why
1846 [17:29:40] <simpledat> Do you need to enable vt-x to install linux on your computer?
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1848 [17:30:09] <noln> linux can't be installed on fat/ntfs, use ext4 on the usb stick
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1852 [17:30:19] <joepublic> linux does not depend on vt-x.
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1854 [17:30:46] <terr_> Oh! here is a Debian question. I run a rd monitor on this netbook via a USB interface. Is this supported in Linux?
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1857 [17:31:35] <terr_> noln. Oh! well something else not clarified.
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1859 [17:31:53] <joepublic> terr_, the kernel has drivers for DisplayLink usb to vga.
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1861 [17:32:04] <terr_> noln can I partition the USB drive?
1862 [17:32:20] <terr_> joepublic, perfect
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1866 [17:33:08] <joepublic> well, maybe, maybe not :) more on usb-to-vga with Linux: replaced-url
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1868 [17:33:31] <terr_> joepublic, thanks but I'll get to that hopefully in a few days.
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1871 [17:33:48] <noln> linux does not depend on a specific partition number / scheme
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1877 [17:35:18] <__m4ch1n3__> "Issue is when things are not explained." thats an skipped the esential part of text issue
1878 [17:35:21] <terr_> noln, it use to. I'm thinking I'll put a bottable windows 7 pro on the USB then it can be a rescue boot as well
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1880 [17:36:20] <__m4ch1n3__> skiptextcopypastecombo black belt
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1883 [17:37:06] <noln> terr_, you're overcomplicating things. Today it's enough to have the .iso + grub + (maybe) virtual machine
1884 [17:37:44] <noln> burn a live .iso on a CD and you get a non-tamperable rescue system
1885 [17:37:50] <terr_> noln well its only been 20 years since I did this before!
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1887 [17:37:55] <__m4ch1n3__> :3
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1891 [17:38:40] <terr_> noln I still run SCSI peripherals!
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1893 [17:39:59] <noln> terr_, really?
1894 [17:40:21] <terr_> noln, ya! I still have a Quantum DLT7000
1895 [17:40:30] <terr_> plus opticals
1896 [17:40:59] <noln> terr_, cool, then you might be in the position to help test compatibility with the upcoming debian 10 release
1897 [17:41:01] <terr_> plus exabyte drives.
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1904 [17:42:40] <terr_> noln probably I have Fujitsu 20 to 640 MB SCSI optical drives and also a Panasonic 650 PD and exabytes and a DLT7000. Plus friends are probably running 9 track still over ADAPTEC cards. I have the HIM layer here but never used it.
1905 [17:42:55] <terr_> not 20. 240MB
1906 [17:43:13] <terr_> 230 MB
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1917 [17:49:42] <buu> daggs1: Work with me here
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1919 [17:49:54] <buu> daggs1: Do all the steps *except* for giving it an ip
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1923 [17:51:07] <buu> terr_: Hey, random question but where do you get a w7 rescue/repair cd? I don't have a working w7 install at the moment..
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1939 [17:56:52] <peaceguy> ssh just hangs at connecting to port 22
1940 [17:57:02] <peaceguy> can't redirect using the -E option it just hangs
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1943 [17:58:48] <jelly> peaceguy, connecting to what from where? are both endpoints debian systems?
1944 [17:58:51] <jelly> !ask
1945 [17:58:51] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1946 [17:59:14] <peaceguy> they are
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1948 [17:59:45] <peaceguy> i tried to connect 2 pcs over lan both are debian 9.5 and it hangs on the connecting to port 22
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1951 [18:00:25] <jelly> peaceguy, can you "telnet sshserver 22" from the ssh client?
1952 [18:01:44] <jelly> (ie. does it say Connected to sshserver. Escape character is '^]'. or not)
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1955 [18:02:32] <jelly> telnet or nc is useful to detect if basic tcp connectivity works or not
1956 [18:02:32] <peaceguy> wait i try now
1957 [18:02:39] <peaceguy> i use nc?
1958 [18:02:40] <peaceguy> ok
1959 [18:03:06] <peaceguy> can you please tell me the syntax for nc?
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1964 [18:04:13] <jelly> it's basically the same
1965 [18:04:31] <jelly> but nc does not tell you explicitely it connected
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1967 [18:05:09] <peaceguy> ok
1968 [18:05:15] <peaceguy> so telnet just hangs
1969 [18:05:32] <peaceguy> so could the error be different ssh versions?
1970 [18:05:38] <jelly> nope
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1972 [18:06:05] <peaceguy> that is reasonable
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1974 [18:06:11] <peaceguy> someone suggested that lol
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1976 [18:06:16] <peaceguy> nc hangs too
1977 [18:06:23] <peaceguy> so what could that be?
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1979 [18:06:53] <jelly> if you can't even establish a tcp connection, that points to network issues
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1982 [18:07:13] <peaceguy> network works
1983 [18:07:17] <simpledat> Where can I find old versions of debian?
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1987 [18:07:28] <jelly> simpledat, how old?
1988 [18:07:41] <simpledat> jelly: let us say, from 2017?
1989 [18:07:46] <jelly> !archive
1990 [18:07:46] <dpkg> archive is probably a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
1991 [18:08:18] <simpledat> jelly: Thanks
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1993 [18:08:25] <jelly> simpledat, that's too old.
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1996 [18:08:48] <bites> peaceguy: are those the same machines you asked about yesterday? you were able to connect then, just not authenticate. what changed?
1997 [18:09:20] <jelly> simpledat, if you want a date in 2017 you'd have to pick an old cd image of debian 8 or 9, depending on what you're targeting, and point it to a copy of debian mirror from thta time available at
1998 [18:09:22] <jelly> !snapshots
1999 [18:09:22] <dpkg> replaced-url
2000 [18:09:54] <jelly> peaceguy, does "ping sshserver" work?
2001 [18:10:18] <simpledat> jelly: There is no .iso files there? replaced-url
2002 [18:10:33] <peaceguy> they are same :(
2003 [18:10:43] <peaceguy> if only i knew what changed..
2004 [18:11:09] <peaceguy> i try that now
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2007 [18:11:37] <peaceguy> ping doesn't work
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2009 [18:11:58] <jelly> peaceguy, but you said network worked!
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2011 [18:12:30] <jelly> peaceguy, is the sshserver system powered on? Can you log in at the console?
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2013 [18:12:45] <peaceguy> it is i can
2014 [18:12:47] <simpledat> jelly: I dont understand. How do I getting the .iso file of 8.2.0?
2015 [18:12:52] <peaceguy> just ping from client server doesn't respond
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2017 [18:12:58] <peaceguy> but client is connected to network
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2019 [18:13:35] <jelly> simpledat, apparently there's no easy way but to use the "jigdo" tool to reassemble a netinst .iso image
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2024 [18:14:14] <jelly> peaceguy, does the output of "ip a" on the sshserver system show the expected IP address configured?
2025 [18:14:23] <simpledat> jelly: Why not? So how do I get the older .iso to try to install it in virtualbox?
2026 [18:14:26] <peaceguy> yes
2027 [18:14:30] <peaceguy> it does show the address
2028 [18:14:35] <jelly> !jigdo
2029 [18:14:35] <dpkg> Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is a method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at replaced-url
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2031 [18:14:52] <peaceguy> is that the one i use for ssh?
2032 [18:14:54] <peaceguy> to connect to?
2033 [18:14:59] <jelly> simpledat, you'd have to use that thing ^ and it probably won't be easy.
2034 [18:15:36] <simpledat> jelly: Why dont they have .iso files right there?
2035 [18:15:42] <jelly> peaceguy, is it the same that you already used?
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2041 [18:17:25] <jelly> simpledat, no idea
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2044 [18:17:59] <peaceguy> no i used the ip addr show one
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2047 [18:18:27] <jelly> "ip a" and "ip addr show" show the same info, peaceguy
2048 [18:18:46] <jelly> ip a is just a handy shortcut
2049 [18:18:47] <peaceguy> i see
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2051 [18:19:02] <peaceguy> i used the hostname -I one
2052 [18:19:02] <__m4ch1n3__> noice
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2054 [18:19:36] <peaceguy> ok so now i connected and i type pass and it rejects it
2055 [18:20:21] <jelly> peaceguy, is it the same username and password you used to log in at the console, and also not the "root" user?
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2057 [18:20:42] <jelly> remote ssh as root with password is disabled by default
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2059 [18:21:27] <__m4ch1n3__> and keys are soooo comfy
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2062 [18:21:57] <__m4ch1n3__> ssh auth with keys
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2064 [18:22:15] <peaceguy> it is the same username and passwords
2065 [18:22:18] <peaceguy> not the root user
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2071 [18:25:11] <jelly> if you're connecting to the right machine, it ought to work. verify your keyboard layout on ssh client and that you're typing in the right password.
2072 [18:25:31] <peaceguy> it is right i can log in to the user on the server
2073 [18:25:42] <peaceguy> the layout is ok
2074 [18:27:08] <jelly> you can look at /var/log/auth.log on the server (as root, or user in group adm) to see the reason why ssh server process, "sshd" refused login
2075 [18:27:59] <peaceguy> ok thanks
2076 [18:28:28] <peaceguy> what to search for though??
2077 [18:28:31] <peaceguy> sorry
2078 [18:29:24] <peaceguy> how can i be sure that i'm running ssh on the server?
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2085 [18:30:51] <bites> you scroll to the end of the file and look at lines that include "sshd". you can check with systemctl status ssh on the server if ssh is running, but if you can connect, which you can, it's running.
2086 [18:31:51] <bites> you can run ssh on the client with the -v option and see if it gives you useful output. but most likely you are just entering the credentials wrong.
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2088 [18:32:28] <peaceguy> but i can't redirect the ssh output
2089 [18:32:29] <peaceguy> to some file
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2091 [18:32:40] <bites> huh?
2092 [18:32:45] <peaceguy> active (running)
2093 [18:32:58] <peaceguy> i can't redirect ssh -v output to some file, the output
2094 [18:33:00] <peaceguy> the errors
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2096 [18:35:35] <bites> do you have a desktop environment on that machine and a browser? then just copypate the output.
2097 [18:35:46] <jelly> peaceguy, if your ssh client got a prompt and refused connection after an incorrect password, that machine _is_ definitely running an ssh service
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2099 [18:36:56] <jelly> peaceguy, search for lines mentioning sshd and matching timestamps when you tried to connect?
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2101 [18:38:28] <peaceguy> ok
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2104 [18:39:18] <jelly> grep sshd /var/log/auth.log
2105 [18:39:25] <peaceguy> yes
2106 [18:39:26] <peaceguy> i did
2107 [18:39:31] <peaceguy> i look at it now
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2110 [18:40:06] <peaceguy> useradd[2619]: new user: name=sshd, UID=108, GID=65534, home=/run/sshd, shell=/usr/sbin/nologin
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2113 [18:41:01] <jelly> and the timestamp on that is when?
2114 [18:41:12] <peaceguy> 21:52:16
2115 [18:41:16] <peaceguy> dec 5
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2117 [18:41:27] <jelly> and which day is it today?
2118 [18:41:31] <peaceguy> 8
2119 [18:41:40] <peaceguy> Dec 8 18:22:57
2120 [18:42:01] <jelly> so... why are you telling us about something that happened three days ago
2121 [18:42:28] <peaceguy> sorry i added new user then i though it had to do with ssh
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2123 [18:43:08] <peaceguy> replaced-url
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2125 [18:43:40] <jelly> is that all from today?
2126 [18:43:56] <peaceguy> it is
2127 [18:43:59] <bites> you are checking on the server, right?
2128 [18:44:12] <peaceguy> Dec 8 18:00:03
2129 [18:44:14] <peaceguy> yes
2130 [18:44:16] <peaceguy> i am
2131 [18:44:19] <peaceguy> the serverside log
2132 [18:44:46] <jelly> peaceguy, and you're positive you tried to connect to this very ssh server?
2133 [18:44:56] <jelly> at... [18:19:36] <peaceguy> ok so now i connected and i type pass and it rejects it
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2136 [18:45:11] <peaceguy> yes i used that ip address
2137 [18:45:24] <jelly> because that should have left a log line around 18:19
2138 [18:46:10] <peaceguy> i used ip a
2139 [18:46:24] <peaceguy> maybe i said that some time after i connected
2140 [18:46:33] <peaceguy> do those lines mean i connected?
2141 [18:46:37] <peaceguy> to this server?
2142 [18:46:39] <jelly> peaceguy, run this on your ssh server, as root, and pastebin the complete output: "grep sshd /var/log/auth.log | tail; echo; ip a; echo; ip r; echo; iptables-save"
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2144 [18:47:13] <jelly> peaceguy, no, those lines just mean ssh service (sshd process) was stopped and started.
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2146 [18:48:20] <peaceguy> 178.*
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2148 [18:48:22] <peaceguy> wait i paste now
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2150 [18:48:56] <jelly> please don't change anything, it's already hard to get enough info to help you as it is
2151 [18:49:06] <peaceguy> i just run it don't change
2152 [18:49:09] <peaceguy> replaced-url
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2154 [18:49:21] <peaceguy> wait
2155 [18:49:26] <peaceguy> i pasted address
2156 [18:49:29] <peaceguy> lol
2157 [18:49:32] * jelly blinks
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2159 [18:49:39] <peaceguy> nevermind
2160 [18:49:54] <jelly> did you just put "sudo" in front of that command?
2161 [18:49:58] <peaceguy> i did
2162 [18:50:33] <peaceguy> otherwise no permission to grep
2163 [18:50:44] <jelly> that's not useful because there's more that one command in that one line. Do it this way: sudo sh -c "grep sshd /var/log/auth.log | tail; echo; ip a; echo; ip r; echo; iptables-save""
2164 [18:50:52] <peaceguy> i see
2165 [18:51:27] <jelly> one " on the end, not two
2166 [18:51:30] <peaceguy> yes
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2168 [18:51:40] <peaceguy> big output
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2171 [18:52:11] <peaceguy> replaced-url
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2175 [18:54:27] <peaceguy> i think i saw that valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever thing on my client
2176 [18:54:28] <jelly> peaceguy, you seem to have ufw installed and some of those firewall rules are stopping incoming traffic
2177 [18:54:38] <peaceguy> that's bad :(
2178 [18:54:44] <peaceguy> it stops ssh from working
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2180 [18:54:59] <jelly> get rid of ufw, or learn to use it
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2182 [18:55:08] <peaceguy> i bet noone else would have problems with ufw like this
2183 [18:55:11] <peaceguy> sorry jelly
2184 [18:56:06] <jelly> there's probably a way to make it allow incoming traffic for ssh service (22/tcp) but I personally have no idea hw that's done
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2186 [18:56:34] <peaceguy> do you use a firewall?
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2188 [18:56:49] <peaceguy> so if my ip starts with 178 i am using NAT in my router and i am safe?
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2190 [18:56:57] <jelly> peaceguy, you can test this theory by stopping ufw service, looking at iptables-save output again, and trying to ssh or "nc sshserver 22" again from the client
2191 [18:57:07] <peaceguy> ok i see
2192 [18:57:07] <aaii> Hi, I am so bored now, I searched in debian packages for game and then i found blobby (volley) :D Who have time for play? (Do you know better game in debian?)
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2194 [18:57:44] <peaceguy> so if i enable only key-verified connections in ssh i will be safe from outside connections?
2195 [18:58:11] <peaceguy> Warzone 2100 has multiplayer :D
2196 [18:58:15] <peaceguy> thanks jelly :D
2197 [18:58:27] <n4dir> as long you don't port-forward ssh from the router, you are safe anyway, as far i can tell, peaceguy
2198 [18:58:56] <peaceguy> i don't understand does that mean i just keep the default router settings?
2199 [18:59:13] <aaii> peaceguy, :D nice but i dont have graphic card for play :D
2200 [18:59:14] <n4dir> yes (again, as far i can tell).
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2202 [18:59:42] <n4dir> you have to do quite some fiddling to be able to ssh from "outside" ( port-forwarding).
2203 [18:59:50] <peaceguy> i see
2204 [19:00:05] <n4dir> key-authentication is a good thing anyway, in my humble opinion.
2205 [19:00:06] <peaceguy> people said i am vulnerable to outside connections and also to some exploits of sshd
2206 [19:00:12] <__m4ch1n3__> valve turned csgo into free2play few days ago
2207 [19:00:16] <peaceguy> what exploits and why me that's so over the top lol
2208 [19:00:23] <NetTerminalGene> ,kernels
2209 [19:00:24] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-trunk-686-pae (4.19.5-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-3-686 (4.18.20-2); buster: 4.18.0-3-686 (4.18.20-2); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-
2210 [19:00:25] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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2215 [19:02:25] <n4dir> peaceguy: well, an ssh request arrives at the router. The router has no clue where to forward it to. You port-forward, the router knows: ah, an ssh request, that is for lan IP 192.168.178.2 , let's route it there. (worst description you will ever hear, but round the lines of that)
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2218 [19:03:00] <peaceguy> i see
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2222 [19:03:19] <peaceguy> i understand now thanks
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2226 [19:04:23] <n4dir> key-authentication has the advantage you ssh-add ~/.ssh/keyname_rsa once, then you can reuse it during the session (no need to retype a password again). security too, i guess. To make it short: won't hurt to get your head in it.
2227 [19:04:56] <peaceguy> well i would do that if i was able to log in at all
2228 [19:05:13] <n4dir> ha. yes. sorry for the noise.
2229 [19:05:21] <peaceguy> sorry
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2235 [19:06:28] <simpledat> How do I get the SHA256SUMS from a .deb file?
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2237 [19:07:07] <peaceguy> sha256sum ?
2238 [19:07:13] <peaceguy> the command
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2241 [19:08:06] <peaceguy> put it into some file and diff them
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2243 [19:08:52] <simpledat> If the sha256sum match? Is that enough to ensure that the file is correct?
2244 [19:09:00] <simpledat> hanks
2245 [19:09:01] <simpledat> thanks
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2250 [19:10:32] <peaceguy> simpledat: i think it should be enough, if i recall correctly sha256sum is better indicator than 5*
2251 [19:10:34] <peaceguy> sorry i forgot
2252 [19:10:36] <rwp> simpledat, What is the larger task that you are trying to accomplish?
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2254 [19:10:51] <peaceguy> :)
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2256 [19:10:59] <simpledat> rwp: What do you mean?
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2258 [19:11:17] <rwp> You are asking about sha256sums but that is rather of a non sequiter
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2260 [19:11:49] <rwp> For example I am tempted to suggest installing the 'debsums' package which checks the packaged md5sums against what is installed.
2261 [19:12:11] <rwp> But that probably is not what you are thinking about at all.
2262 [19:12:15] <jelly> rwp, they were hunting for old .iso images that are only available as .jigdo, before
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2264 [19:12:45] <rwp> ah... jigdo. yes. Can use jigdo to create any particular iso that you want to create.
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2267 [19:13:03] <peaceguy> the log after disabling ufw replaced-url
2268 [19:13:09] <rwp> jigdo will itself do a verification at the end and give a pass or fail on the success of the download.
2269 [19:13:55] <jelly> peaceguy, nevermind the log, did you try ssh-ing to 192.168.1.2 again
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2271 [19:14:14] <peaceguy> lol
2272 [19:14:18] <peaceguy> yes it works now :D
2273 [19:14:25] <peaceguy> hahah amazing thanks jelly bites :D
2274 [19:14:45] <jelly> so you now know ufw is not configured correctly
2275 [19:14:49] <bites> i didn't do nuffing, but you are welcome.
2276 [19:14:54] <peaceguy> yes :)
2277 [19:14:55] <rwp> hearing that you could not log in and now can I wonder... do you have fail2ban installed?
2278 [19:15:09] <peaceguy> yesterday too, sorry that i left, i couldn't even redirect the ssh output that you asked for :(
2279 [19:15:29] <peaceguy> fail2ban no i do not have it installed
2280 [19:15:50] <peaceguy> fail2ban/testing,testing,unstable,unstable 0.10.2-2.1 all ban hosts that cause multiple authentication errors
2281 [19:15:51] <peaceguy> no
2282 [19:16:18] <peaceguy> so now how do i add this key and verify it?
2283 [19:16:21] <peaceguy> ssh keygen ?
2284 [19:16:28] <peaceguy> i will see it
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2287 [19:16:42] <n4dir> i guess i would enjoy it for a bit first. That was quite a ride.
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2289 [19:16:46] <rwp> fail2ban monitors the ssh log (among others) and will ban IP address - port connections for failed login attempts (6 in 1 minute by default) and will ban further connections using firewall rules (default 10 minutes) often locking people out of their own boxes for ten minutes.
2290 [19:16:54] <peaceguy> lol n4dir :D
2291 [19:16:59] <n4dir> :-)
2292 [19:17:06] <peaceguy> :)
2293 [19:17:15] <jelly> !ssh keys
2294 [19:17:15] <dpkg> (1) on the client: ssh-keygen -t rsa (2) ssh-copy-id server.example.com. Ask me about <keychain> and <ssh-askpass> for ways of storing your ssh key's passphrase between uses. If you are wanting to use ssh to allow root logins for rsync backups (or something similar to that) then you might want to limit what this key can do and from where you can use it, see replaced-url
2295 [19:17:23] <bites> you don't need fail2ban if it's behind a nat.
2296 [19:17:29] <peaceguy> ok
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2298 [19:17:40] <guerby> ,kernel
2299 [19:17:41] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-trunk-686-pae (4.19.5-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-3-686 (4.18.20-2); buster: 4.18.0-3-686 (4.18.20-2); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
2300 [19:17:42] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
2301 [19:17:46] <peaceguy> it's 178.* does it mean i am behind a NAT?
2302 [19:18:08] <jelly> peaceguy, there is no "178" in "192.168.1.2"
2303 [19:18:11] <rwp> bites is correct. It was just a clarification question. Sorry for adding noise.
2304 [19:18:19] <peaceguy> sorry
2305 [19:18:43] <peaceguy> how to check NAT then?
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2307 [19:19:16] <jelly> peaceguy, but 192.168.x.y is for private networks, so if you have systems configured like that, and they can access the internet, they definitely hav to be behind NAT
2308 [19:19:37] <peaceguy> ok thanks :)
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2310 [19:19:41] <rwp> Agreed. And NAT itself is intrinsically a firewall.
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2312 [19:20:06] <peaceguy> but i didn't change anything in ufw configuration i think, why didn't it work i wonder
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2314 [19:20:19] <jelly> proably because you didn't change anything.
2315 [19:20:24] <peaceguy> lol
2316 [19:20:26] <peaceguy> cool
2317 [19:20:42] <bites> i would like to know why it failed at the authentication step and not earlier.
2318 [19:20:48] <jelly> like tell ufw you have an ssh service and you want it to be accessible from outside the server
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2320 [19:20:59] <peaceguy> ok :)
2321 [19:21:40] <jelly> bites, it failed at establishing tcp connection at first.
2322 [19:21:53] <bites> because the ip was wrong?
2323 [19:21:57] <jelly> oh right
2324 [19:22:27] <peaceguy> where do i do ssh-keygen? inside of the connection when i connect?
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2326 [19:22:38] <jelly> bites, ufw had some rules looking vaguely like "rate limit/block after X packets"
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2328 [19:22:55] <jelly> peaceguy, on the client
2329 [19:23:06] <peaceguy> after i log in? or before?
2330 [19:23:24] <jelly> after you log in you're not working on the client any more
2331 [19:23:24] <rwp> ssh-keygen creates an ssh key pair. Run it on your home desktop client system.
2332 [19:23:36] <rwp> Then install (using ssh-copy-id might work nicely) to the remote system.
2333 [19:23:43] <peaceguy> i see
2334 [19:23:44] <jelly> peaceguy, so, before
2335 [19:23:47] <rwp> Then you can use ssh keys to log into the remote client.
2336 [19:23:54] <peaceguy> thanks :)
2337 [19:24:15] <jelly> !ssh keys
2338 [19:24:15] <dpkg> (1) on the client: ssh-keygen -t rsa (2) ssh-copy-id server.example.com. Ask me about <keychain> and <ssh-askpass> for ways of storing your ssh key's passphrase between uses. If you are wanting to use ssh to allow root logins for rsync backups (or something similar to that) then you might want to limit what this key can do and from where you can use it, see replaced-url
2339 [19:24:58] <n4dir> i tend to give the ssh-keys meaningful names, on a side note. (say: to_raspberry_rsa, or such).
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2341 [19:25:23] <rwp> n4dir, ah... so you tend to use dedicated special purpose keys for everything?
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2343 [19:25:31] <peaceguy> i did laptop :)
2344 [19:25:57] <n4dir> well, it's mainly one for the LAN and one for a git service. But i wouldn't want to mix them.
2345 [19:26:18] <jelly> why not
2346 [19:26:29] <n4dir> if you later add a second key, for whatever, to me it is more nice to have meaningful names.
2347 [19:26:34] <n4dir> jelly: i am not sure.
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2351 [19:27:17] <peaceguy> so actually i should call it desktop
2352 [19:27:18] <rwp> I have on very special needs used dedicated keys. Such as when needing a cronjob to access something without a password. But otherwise I use one key per client (laptop, desktop)
2353 [19:27:19] <peaceguy> ;p
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2355 [19:27:50] <peaceguy> does this key represent the server or the client?
2356 [19:27:56] <rwp> peaceguy, I suggest using the default names suggested by ssh-keygen. It is a good default if you don't need something special.
2357 [19:28:10] <n4dir> both. private stays at the client, public goes to the server.
2358 [19:28:20] <rwp> The key represents your identity. It will be how the computer recognizes you.
2359 [19:28:26] <peaceguy> so now i did ssh-keygen where do i do the other command
2360 [19:28:39] <rwp> Did you put a passphrase on the key? Yes/No?
2361 [19:28:46] <rwp> It makes a difference in further instructions.
2362 [19:28:55] <n4dir> ssh-copy-id copies the public part of the key to the server, so you run it from the client too.
2363 [19:29:02] <jelly> peaceguy, on the client, too
2364 [19:29:07] <peaceguy> ok
2365 [19:29:31] <peaceguy> i did put a passphrase on the key
2366 [19:29:46] <rwp> Oh good! Then call ssh-add to add it to your ssh-agent.
2367 [19:29:58] <peaceguy> just that?
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2369 [19:30:08] <rwp> Yes. It will ask for your passphrase to decrypt the key.
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2371 [19:30:15] <peaceguy> ok i see
2372 [19:30:21] <rwp> It will then hold the decrypted key in the memory of the ssh-agent.
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2374 [19:30:53] <rwp> Logging out, powering down, etc. will drop the ssh-agent. When you log back in again run ssh-agent once to load the key into memory again.
2375 [19:30:53] <peaceguy> could not open a connection to your authentication agent.
2376 [19:30:59] <n4dir> eval $(ssh-agent -s)
2377 [19:31:06] <n4dir> was waiting for that ... :-)
2378 [19:31:10] <rwp> ah... yes. You do not have an ssh-agent running.
2379 [19:31:12] <peaceguy> :) lol
2380 [19:31:18] <peaceguy> sorry
2381 [19:31:33] <peaceguy> sudo systemctl start ssh
2382 [19:31:35] <rwp> It's all good! No worries. Do what n4dir suggested and then try again.
2383 [19:31:43] <peaceguy> ok
2384 [19:32:21] <peaceguy> i got agent pid
2385 [19:32:30] <rwp> Then run the ssh-add command again.
2386 [19:32:42] <peaceguy> echo $? = 1
2387 [19:32:43] <peaceguy> ?
2388 [19:32:59] <rwp> what?
2389 [19:33:17] <peaceguy> it returned 1 :(
2390 [19:33:24] <peaceguy> the command ssh-add
2391 [19:33:45] <rwp> Did it ask you anything first?
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2393 [19:34:00] <peaceguy> no it didn't
2394 [19:34:44] <rwp> It should have asked you for your passphrase to decrypt the ssh key you had just created.
2395 [19:35:22] <peaceguy> i create it again?
2396 [19:35:25] <n4dir> try to tell it the full path to the key: ssh-add ~/.ssh/*_rsa (use autocomplete, i forgot what is the default name for the key)
2397 [19:35:47] <peaceguy> ok
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2399 [19:36:12] <peaceguy> it created it in the current directory
2400 [19:36:14] <peaceguy> lol
2401 [19:36:15] <rwp> The default name of the key ssh-keygen creates is ~/.ssh/id_rsa and ~/ssh/id_rsa.pub
2402 [19:36:16] <peaceguy> weird
2403 [19:36:26] <rwp> The default name of the key ssh-keygen creates is ~/.ssh/id_rsa and ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
2404 [19:36:33] <peaceguy> yes
2405 [19:36:36] <rwp> Is $HOME set to your current directory?
2406 [19:36:37] <peaceguy> i move it to .ssh
2407 [19:36:40] <peaceguy> it is
2408 [19:36:46] <peaceguy> yes
2409 [19:36:51] <peaceguy> so i move them to ~/.ssh
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2412 [19:37:34] <rwp> I think I must assume that during ssh-keygen time you typed in a file name and therefore it did what you told it to do, instead of hitting Enter and using the default suggested names.
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2415 [19:38:21] <peaceguy> yes i typed laptop so it went with ./laptop instead of ~/.ssh/def_name
2416 [19:38:53] <n4dir> if it was me i would rm that key[s], and do ssh-keygen again.
2417 [19:39:04] <peaceguy> i moved them to ~/.ssh
2418 [19:39:08] <peaceguy> still returns 1
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2420 [19:39:45] <peaceguy> it's ok
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2422 [19:39:52] <peaceguy> i just put the full path
2423 [19:39:54] <n4dir> try: ssh-add ~/.ssh/whatyougot_rsa
2424 [19:39:58] <peaceguy> yes
2425 [19:39:58] <n4dir> works now?
2426 [19:40:00] <peaceguy> yes
2427 [19:40:04] <n4dir> ah, cool.
2428 [19:40:05] <peaceguy> asks for pass, it works
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2430 [19:40:14] <peaceguy> nice it's added
2431 [19:40:20] <peaceguy> now i don't need pass right?
2432 [19:40:21] <n4dir> i told you earlier to first enjoy. keys are a bit confusing (at first)
2433 [19:40:29] <peaceguy> yes :)
2434 [19:40:31] <peaceguy> can i tell you?
2435 [19:40:33] <n4dir> i think yes.
2436 [19:40:35] <peaceguy> i did this before..
2437 [19:40:39] <peaceguy> lol
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2439 [19:40:57] <peaceguy> because with friends server
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2441 [19:41:03] <peaceguy> now i had that ufw problem
2442 [19:41:04] <n4dir> i always disable password authentication, so not that sure how ssh does it in general (first checks for this, then for that ...)
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2444 [19:41:51] <rwp> n4dir just curious but how do you log in the very first time before you have the ssh key installed if password auth is disabled?
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2446 [19:42:18] <n4dir> just try ssh'ing a few times. hopefully it will pick the key (and not ask for the user remote passwd)
2447 [19:42:47] <rwp> If the key is just now created then it will need to be copied to the remote system. ssh-copi-id will help
2448 [19:42:52] <n4dir> rwp: no clue, i guess it ain't possible (email or such the key to the admin of the server, and he will put it manually in the according file)
2449 [19:43:22] <peaceguy> so now i did add it, do i do ssh-copi-id ?
2450 [19:43:32] * rwp laughs n4dir! :-)
2451 [19:43:55] <rwp> Run: ssh-copy-id remoteservername
2452 [19:44:14] <peaceguy> friend always changed his dns or something so i always got new address to connect to
2453 [19:44:17] <rwp> That will prompt you for the password on the remote server, log in, copy your local public key to the remote machine, fix permissions
2454 [19:44:20] <peaceguy> couldn't connect using hostname lol
2455 [19:44:28] <rwp> After that you can use ssh rsa keys to log into the remote system instead of passwords.
2456 [19:45:09] <n4dir> ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/mykey user@host
2457 [19:45:33] <n4dir> if you got the default keyname, you can omit the -i, as far i can tell.
2458 [19:45:44] <rwp> Yes. If a special name was used for ssh-keygen then that special name must be used everywhere after that point.
2459 [19:45:50] <n4dir> sorry: the "-i ~/.ssh/meykey
2460 [19:46:33] <peaceguy> lol asks for my other users' password on the server
2461 [19:46:43] <rwp> Good!
2462 [19:46:48] <peaceguy> interesting, i got this
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2464 [19:46:54] <peaceguy> how did it pick up the other user? lol
2465 [19:47:00] <rwp> That is what it is supposed to be doing. Just like we said it should be doing.
2466 [19:47:11] <peaceguy> :)
2467 [19:47:13] <peaceguy> sorry
2468 [19:47:15] <peaceguy> thanks :)
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2470 [19:47:50] <rwp> wait... you said other "user". Do you have different user names on the remote than on the local?
2471 [19:48:01] <peaceguy> yes i do
2472 [19:48:04] <peaceguy> i have other user
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2475 [19:48:55] <rwp> Then when you ran n4dir's suggestion did you say that other username in the suggestion "ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/mykey user@host" If so then that is where it got the name.
2476 [19:49:12] <simpledat> How do I take a print screen?
2477 [19:49:30] <peaceguy> install scrot
2478 [19:49:42] <peaceguy> no i just did ssh-copy-id address
2479 [19:49:48] <peaceguy> didn't put the other name there
2480 [19:49:55] <peaceguy> is this going wrong?
2481 [19:49:58] <rwp> Hi simpledat! Taking a plain text cut-n-paste to a pastebin is best.
2482 [19:50:31] <rwp> !paste
2483 [19:50:31] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
2484 [19:50:42] <n4dir> if username is the same local and remote, you can do "ssh remote_host"; if remote username is different, you have to use "ssh diff_username@remote" peaceguy
2485 [19:51:00] <peaceguy> yes i do diff_username@remote
2486 [19:51:11] <n4dir> and that didn't work?
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2488 [19:51:31] <peaceguy> it did :D
2489 [19:51:34] <peaceguy> now
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2491 [19:52:23] <n4dir> good, good. Did you do "ssh diff_username@remote" yet, and does it use the key (instead of asking for the remote users passwd) ?
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2494 [19:53:03] <peaceguy> ok i did
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2496 [19:53:14] <peaceguy> yes
2497 [19:53:19] <peaceguy> no password it just logs in :D
2498 [19:53:21] <rwp> And it all worked! Yay! \o/
2499 [19:53:27] <peaceguy> yay! \o/ :D
2500 [19:53:29] <n4dir> is that a hurray ? yee-haw !
2501 [19:53:30] <peaceguy> thank you rwp :D:D:D
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2503 [19:53:39] <peaceguy> thank you n4dir :D:D:D
2504 [19:53:41] <peaceguy> yeea! :D
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2508 [19:54:11] <rwp> The real test comes tomorrow after having slept and trying to do it again.
2509 [19:54:18] <peaceguy> LOL XD
2510 [19:54:28] <n4dir> haha. just thought the same. ssh was (and still is) killing me.
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2512 [19:54:38] <rwp> Remember that when you log in you must run ssh-add to load your key into memory. Everyone forgets that step.
2513 [19:54:56] <peaceguy> i do that now?
2514 [19:55:01] <peaceguy> when logged in?
2515 [19:55:11] <rwp> I have been working with people using rsa keys for probably 20+ years and it is always confusing.
2516 [19:55:33] <peaceguy> lol it is though
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2518 [19:56:01] <n4dir> rwp: thing is: doing it is still easy compared to putting it in words.
2519 [19:56:18] * rwp looks in my calender file and sees a reminder I put in for the future that the RSA patent would expire on Sept-20-2000!
2520 [19:57:40] <n4dir> peaceguy: i got a line in my ~/.profile to start ssh-agent when i login (but i login from tty, not sure if that helps with display-managers). DestkopEnvironments might have their own ways to handle it too.
2521 [19:58:06] <peaceguy> i only use console on laptop, don't know hot to do it in a de
2522 [19:58:11] <peaceguy> probably easier this way
2523 [19:58:28] <n4dir> let me paste my entry in .profile then.
2524 [19:58:39] <peaceguy> so i have the agent disabled and when i want it i put that line in .profile and it will start next time?
2525 [19:58:44] <peaceguy> i mean the service is disabled
2526 [19:58:49] <peaceguy> thanks n4dir :D
2527 [19:58:50] <n4dir> replaced-url
2528 [19:59:04] <peaceguy> i see
2529 [19:59:05] <n4dir> the "echo " line is superfluous, i just do it like that.
2530 [19:59:06] <peaceguy> thanks :)
2531 [19:59:14] <peaceguy> nice :)
2532 [19:59:43] <n4dir> are you ready for more headaches, i also could paste a ~/.ssh/config
2533 [19:59:51] <peaceguy> that's allright go on :D
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2535 [20:00:06] <peaceguy> this will probably screw me lol
2536 [20:00:08] <n4dir> replaced-url
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2538 [20:00:12] <peaceguy> all this work
2539 [20:00:23] <n4dir> the first entry is freely choosable, you can then do a simple:
2540 [20:00:27] <n4dir> ssh cool_name
2541 [20:00:30] <peaceguy> i see
2542 [20:00:38] <n4dir> rsync -auv Stuff cool_name:
2543 [20:00:39] <n4dir> etc.
2544 [20:00:41] <peaceguy> that's like an alias right?
2545 [20:00:47] <peaceguy> awesome! :D
2546 [20:01:03] <n4dir> yes, i guess so. Helps if you got non-default ports, non-default rsa-keys, etc.
2547 [20:01:05] <n4dir> less typing
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2549 [20:01:17] <peaceguy> nice :)
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2551 [20:01:33] <n4dir> bad thing: you forget how it gets done "manually" :-)
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2553 [20:01:59] <peaceguy> yes :-)
2554 [20:02:01] <peaceguy> as always
2555 [20:02:20] <peaceguy> so i can access all files now play music even?
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2557 [20:02:49] <n4dir> i don't fully understand. access files: sure, play music ?
2558 [20:03:42] <n4dir> you can always use sshfs though (some people say it is shit, but it sure is easy).
2559 [20:03:55] <joepublic> I love sshfs
2560 [20:04:22] <joepublic> it's my primary file sharing mechanism, both remotely and locally
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2562 [20:06:38] <n4dir> joepublic: didn't fail on me yet, but you know those people (always something is "better")
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2567 [20:08:47] <rwp> From reading that I am guessing peaceguy has a remote system connected to speakers and wants to play music there through those speakers.
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2570 [20:09:15] <peaceguy> no just laptop and desktop
2571 [20:09:21] <peaceguy> speakers would be great though :D
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2573 [20:10:14] <peaceguy> i should take a look at this too replaced-url
2574 [20:12:00] <joepublic> must confess I have not got sshfs to work in the config of linux client mounting a remote bsd system via sshfs
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2576 [20:12:29] <rwp> rsync is my favorite file copy tool. It has everything including the kitchen sink.
2577 [20:13:02] <rwp> joepublic, Sounds like another debug project! :-)
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2579 [20:13:59] <peaceguy> what should i use to play music on the other computer?
2580 [20:14:02] * trysten also loves rsync like an animal companion.
2581 [20:14:02] <peaceguy> that is connected
2582 [20:14:03] <meinheld> cool rwp, i might get into using it.
2583 [20:14:10] * trysten remembers his previous companion, netcat
2584 [20:14:30] <meinheld> thx SerajewelKS and n4dir and whoever else helped me yesterday. i just use the live os on the #!++ 9 .iso to recover my files, then upgraded. now on #!++ / deb 9!
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2586 [20:14:40] <meinheld> but now my trackpad vert edge scrolling isn't supported in the libinput? or is it now
2587 [20:14:47] <n4dir> wasn't me.
2588 [20:15:06] <meinheld> i think u made one comment or something. for some reason remembered u
2589 [20:15:29] <n4dir> ah, perhaps then. i sure read it (your usernamen isn't hard to remember ... :-) )
2590 [20:15:30] <meinheld> whatevs DAE libinput vert trackpad edge scrolling?
2591 [20:15:47] <meinheld> haha yes the german
2592 [20:16:18] <n4dir> not much in new pop music, but wir-sind-helden: i can relete to them. :-)
2593 [20:17:16] <meinheld> perhaps i shall checkem out
2594 [20:17:45] <trysten> peaceguy: i've used pulseaudio to stream sound over the net before. Don't know if that's still the way to go
2595 [20:18:16] <peaceguy> ok thank you very much trysten :)
2596 [20:18:24] <peaceguy> would it work using ssh connection?
2597 [20:19:08] <trysten> peaceguy: you can tunnel almost anything over ssh. mpd is the de-facto music player but I don't know if it handles network streaming.
2598 [20:19:58] <n4dir> sshfs cool_remote_name:Music sshfs_folder # to mount remote ~/Music to sshfs_folder; cd there, play the music
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2600 [20:20:34] <n4dir> or without .ssh/config file: sshfs username@remote:Music sshfs_folder; ...
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2606 [20:22:03] <peaceguy> friend used mpd for some radio on his server
2607 [20:22:14] <peaceguy> thank you very much trysten this will work probably :D
2608 [20:22:19] <peaceguy> this is great :D
2609 [20:22:45] <peaceguy> next best thing: archive music using 7z and copy to /tmp and play using audacious cli lol
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2611 [20:23:20] <peaceguy> thanks n4dir :D
2612 [20:23:23] <peaceguy> thanks a lot :D
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2617 [20:25:24] <meinheld> so does anyone know if i can enable vert trackpad edge scrolling in libinput?
2618 [20:25:39] <peaceguy> needs some driver for trackpad probably
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2621 [20:26:14] <meinheld> i believe libinput is the driver(s). i can enable other things but not sure about the edge scroll
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2623 [20:26:32] <meinheld> like i enabled tapping (to click)
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2626 [20:29:05] <peaceguy> sorry i don't know
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2635 [20:36:13] <meinheld> thx neway peaceguy
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2638 [20:36:26] <meinheld> i'm a peace guy as well :]
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2641 [20:37:13] <peaceguy> that's cool meinheld :]
2642 [20:37:26] <peaceguy> sorry was away looking at this log about playing music
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2671 [20:57:14] <meinheld> DAE trackpad scrolling in deb 9? is it possible with libinput for the driver, or must i put synaptic in?
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2683 [21:03:58] <Azrael_-> hi
2684 [21:04:02] <Azrael_-> i want to forward a port using ssh as proxy (using -D) but i want to bind the outgoing connections onto a specific ip on the server side. is there an option how to accomplish this?
2685 [21:04:33] <JPT> You want to use -L (forward a port on the server to a port on your client machine) or -R (the other way around)
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2689 [21:05:08] <JPT> No, wait
2690 [21:05:09] <Azrael_-> i want to create a socks-proxy and for this i need -D
2691 [21:05:26] <JPT> Let's see
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2699 [21:10:33] <JPT> I cannot find an option for your scenario. Why is it so important that you bind the source port of an outbound connection to a specific value?
2700 [21:11:12] <Azrael_-> because i want to have the user use a different ip for surfing
2701 [21:11:34] <joepublic> the redir command might or might not help you.
2702 [21:11:46] <JPT> Maybe you want to install an actual socks proxy software on your machine and forward its port through ssh
2703 [21:12:17] <Azrael_-> i'm already running a socks proxy (dante) on it but there i wasn't able to master authentication (beside authentication by ip) and for this use case the source ip is dynamic, so authentication by ip isn't possible
2704 [21:13:03] <Azrael_-> if you could help me with mastering the authentication method of user/pass using dante i'd be also extremely happy but until now nobody couldn't really provide me some more information
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2709 [21:16:57] <JPT> Dante seems to support authentication based on username/password: replaced-url
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2711 [21:17:32] <JPT> The documentation looks a bit thin, but if that's all the authors have to say, it shouldn't require much more setup steps.
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2714 [21:19:22] <JPT> Since that authentication methods passes credentials in plaintext, i would recommend to have dante listen on localhost and have clients forward the dante service port using ssh
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2717 [21:21:03] <Azrael_-> interesting idea
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2747 [21:43:49] <Azrael_-> JPT: ok, the port forwarding to dante works but i tried the authentication method itself (without ssh) didn't work at all (again). i haven't found a way to get this working until now
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2776 [21:55:38] <meinheld> hey, anybody know about libinput? can i do trackpad scrolling on it ?
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2795 [22:03:32] <Kremator> meinheld, you should check up the lbiinput mouse article in arch linux wiki
2796 [22:03:57] <meinheld> thank you Kremator man
2797 [22:03:59] <meinheld> !
2798 [22:04:01] <Kremator> meinheld, yesterday i was browsing it (for diabling mouse acceleration) but i think i also read something about enabling scrolling
2799 [22:04:13] <meinheld> mmmmmmm nice going now
2800 [22:04:20] <meinheld> godwilling
2801 [22:06:45] <meinheld> it's different than what i tried! how do you let new lines in xorg.conf take effect without restarting my computer?
2802 [22:07:11] <meinheld> or sorry, libinput.conf
2803 [22:08:11] <Kremator> meinheld, well i dont know, i usually can spare 1 min rebootign
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2806 [22:09:13] <meinheld> yeah i just had some new chans open and want to remember/save them. will just restart i guess
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2812 [22:11:35] <Kremator> meinheld, you can always wirte them down in a text file
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2816 [22:13:51] <meinheld> i just set it to auto-join
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2818 [22:14:02] <meinheld> ok hopefully this'll woork byeeee
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2820 [22:14:05] <Kremator> that works too
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2839 [22:22:35] <meinheld> thanks person!
2840 [22:22:39] <meinheld> i forgot your nickname
2841 [22:22:50] <meinheld> it's a little glitchy but it works
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2879 [22:47:28] <mezgani> Hello
2880 [22:47:34] <peaceguy> Hello :)
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2883 [22:47:46] <p3rror> /msg NickServ identify allopass
2884 [22:47:57] <gimbleguy> lol
2885 [22:47:58] <p3rror> Sorry, I must identified
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2887 [22:48:04] <peaceguy> happens :(
2888 [22:48:15] <p3rror> So please no dont pick up my access to freenode
2889 [22:48:28] <mason> p3rror: Perhaps change that now.
2890 [22:48:42] <p3rror> Don't worry about that
2891 [22:48:58] <p3rror> If p3rror is gone, I will change the nick name and stay peace
2892 [22:49:11] <peaceguy> :(
2893 [22:49:14] <p3rror> what do you think
2894 [22:49:19] <peaceguy> change it now!
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2900 [22:52:28] <sbraz> hi, i'm struggling to find the VCS for replaced-url
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2902 [22:52:45] <sbraz> can't find it on gitlab
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2904 [22:53:39] <sbraz> i found it on a thirdparty site that probably imported the bzr repo replaced-url
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2922 [23:07:23] <peaceguy> hi serard :)
2923 [23:07:36] <serard> hello
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2925 [23:08:41] <peaceguy> :)
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2940 [23:15:08] <peaceguy> hi deltam :)
2941 [23:15:20] <peaceguy> hi juko :)
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2947 [23:18:03] <AkQ> hi - i bought my friend a domain as a christmas present and now i wanna create him an user to my server (which his domain points to) but only restrict him to the folder of his domain public_html - how can i do this? :o
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2949 [23:19:43] <mawk> it's a pretty hard question in general AkQ
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2951 [23:19:49] <mawk> I'd just do a container
2952 [23:20:00] <mawk> otherwise the usual thing is chrooted sftp
2953 [23:20:03] <mawk> and no ssh account so
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2955 [23:20:09] <AkQ> i tried to google it but there are several hits. i tried two but neither worked
2956 [23:20:33] <mawk> container ?
2957 [23:20:35] <mawk> or chrooted sftp
2958 [23:20:44] <AkQ> i'm not sure - i'm avid debian user
2959 [23:20:57] <mawk> the two are very different
2960 [23:20:59] <AkQ> i can follow a guide but i hardly understand what it means
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2963 [23:21:35] <AkQ> is chroot in debian by default or does it need to be installed?
2964 [23:22:28] <mawk> I said chrooted sftp, it's not chroot
2965 [23:22:33] <mawk> it's an option in your ssh configuration
2966 [23:23:30] <AkQ> i don't know what is chroot
2967 [23:23:54] <AkQ> i can't install chroot
2968 [23:24:07] <mawk> I said it's in ssh config
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2970 [23:24:12] <mawk> you have nothing to install
2971 [23:24:25] <AkQ> oh, okay
2972 [23:24:29] <mawk> chroot is a concept here, it means you can't go to the parent directory of the chroot directory you decide
2973 [23:24:32] <mawk> so that's what you want
2974 [23:25:20] <AkQ> replaced-url
2975 [23:25:27] <AkQ> i followed this guide but it resulted in error
2976 [23:26:00] <AkQ> after editing /etc/ssh/sshd_config for the user, and tried to run 'systemctl restart sshd' it gave a scary error
2977 [23:26:09] <AkQ> Job for ssh.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
2978 [23:26:44] <AkQ> so i reversed the edits and hoped i didn't kill my server
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2981 [23:29:58] <AkQ> creating user with restricted access seem to be extremely hard :(
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2983 [23:30:32] <mawk> it's not extremely hard, just follow the steps
2984 [23:30:35] <mawk> and don't miss one
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2986 [23:30:50] <AkQ> the guide i linked resulted in error so maybe different guide
2987 [23:30:56] <AkQ> just don't know which guide would work
2988 [23:31:03] <mawk> type journalctl -u sshd
2989 [23:31:09] <mawk> to see the errors when you have one
2990 [23:31:17] <AkQ> -- no entries --
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2994 [23:31:38] <mawk> journalctl -u ssh
2995 [23:31:40] <mawk> maybe
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2997 [23:31:53] <mawk> or just this if you don't see anything: systemctl status ssh
2998 [23:32:26] <AkQ> i'm guessing i need to re-do the steps that resulted in the error before expecting errors again
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3000 [23:32:33] <mawk> not really
3001 [23:32:38] <mawk> the log doesn't get cleared all by itself
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3003 [23:32:59] <AkQ> everything seem to be in order according to log and status
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3007 [23:34:18] <mawk> ssh process exited with an error code
3008 [23:34:26] <AkQ> Failed to start OpenBSD Secure Shell server.
3009 [23:34:26] <mawk> so it's not in order
3010 [23:34:35] <AkQ> now i'm at the step that resulted in the error
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3012 [23:35:24] <AkQ> lol ok got it, i had typo in conf..
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3016 [23:35:45] <AkQ> ChrooDirectory instead of ChrootDirectory
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3018 [23:35:53] <mawk> ah
3019 [23:35:54] <mawk> yeah
3020 [23:36:48] <AkQ> i've enabled ForceCommand internal-sftp and ChrootDirectory for Match User <myfriendusername>
3021 [23:37:10] <AkQ> WinSCP says Authentication failed.
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3024 [23:38:25] <AkQ> log says: pam_unix(sshd:auth): check pass; user unknown
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3026 [23:38:36] <AkQ> how can that be :o i've created user already
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3029 [23:40:20] <AkQ> nvm, wrong part of log - the correct line says: Accepted password for <my-friend-username> from <my-ip> port 65501 ssh2
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3031 [23:40:35] <AkQ> but WinSCP still says authentication failed .. hmmmh
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3033 [23:41:51] <AkQ> idk, can't login
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3042 [23:49:35] <karlpinc> AkQ: You could always try it from a Unix box with ssh -vvv and see what the problem is.
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3045 [23:50:06] <karlpinc> AkQ: Or really sftp
3046 [23:50:11] <AkQ> karlpinc: idk what is unix box :o i don't think i have that
3047 [23:50:29] <karlpinc> AkQ: You're running a debian server, right?
3048 [23:50:46] <AkQ> yea, i've installed mumble-server, weechat, screen, nano and apache2
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3052 [23:52:05] <n4dir> !unix
3053 [23:52:05] <dpkg> well, unix is a broad definition for a very popular kind of OS, is what the Internet was built on, sexy, replaced-url
3054 [23:52:20] <karlpinc> AkQ: So install openssh-client. Then you can use the ssh and sftp commands. So long it's strictly a ssh problem and not a network or firewall problem then you may as well use the server to connect to itself to debug the problem.
3055 [23:52:20] <AkQ> i dont have unix, i have debian
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3060 [23:53:35] <AkQ> mmmm i don't have firewall i think
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3062 [23:53:47] <karlpinc> AkQ: Debian is a kind of Unix, unless you're a lawyer.
3063 [23:53:49] <AkQ> the server works fine, i am chatting from it
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3067 [23:54:33] <AkQ> karlpinc: do you know if there is a working guide for adding an user for debian, with access to only one directory?
3068 [23:54:36] <AkQ> i can't seem to find one
3069 [23:55:03] <mawk> that's not a thing AkQ
3070 [23:55:06] <mawk> for various reasons
3071 [23:55:19] <mawk> it's a thing for sftp tho, and that's what you were doing before giving up
3072 [23:55:21] <mawk> just don't give up
3073 [23:55:38] <AkQ> but the guide doesn't work :o
3074 [23:55:46] <karlpinc> AkQ: Let's go back to what you're trying to accomplish. Why do you want him to "access" just one directory? And what does it mean to "acccess"?
3075 [23:56:27] <AkQ> i mean i want him to be able to open up winscp, connect to my server with his own user account and password, and after that he is able to upload stuff to his folder which is inside /var/replaced-url
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3077 [23:56:58] <AkQ> he is not supposed to be able to enter or edit any folders outside from his own folder
3078 [23:57:47] <AkQ> it's not that i don't trust him, but accidents can happen and i myself have broken up my server 3 times, accidentally editing some kind of permission aaaand had to start all over from scratch
3079 [23:58:01] <karlpinc> AkQ: So why not give him a regular unix account? Give him a shell that does nothing so he can't get a prompt. Why do you care if he can read other world-readable stuff on the server. He will only be able to write to his home directory.
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3081 [23:58:05] <mawk> just be sure to follow exactly the guide AkQ
3082 [23:58:09] <mawk> there are steps you can't miss
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3084 [23:58:24] <mawk> especially the fact that every directory in the chroot path should be owned by root
3085 [23:59:00] <mawk> for instance if you chroot to /home/yourfriend and want to give access to /home/yourfriends/replaced-url
3086 [23:59:06] <karlpinc> AkQ: (If you really don't want him to have a shell prompt. He should not be able to do anything bad with it. But anyway, give him /bin/cat for a shell.)
3087 [23:59:11] <mawk> and in the SSH config you set the chroot path as /home/yourfriend
3088 [23:59:11] <AkQ> karlpinc: any guide that i found with searcing of "debian how to create user with restricted access to one folder" gave somekind of stuff with chroot so idk about other solutions
3089 [23:59:30] <mawk> just google with "sftp chroot"
3090 [23:59:38] <karlpinc> AkQ: You should be able to give him a regular account and leave it at that.
3091 [23:59:48] <AkQ> mawk i did google that, i didn't come any wiser :s
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