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100[00:50:32] <Ede|Popede> stumbled upon polipo again (replaced-url
101[00:50:32] <Ede|Popede> and then during install: "Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/dnsmasq.service → /lib/systemd/system/dnsmasq.service". service? what? and best of all: now listens to *:53. really? security, anyone?
102[00:51:32] <Ede|Popede> why does ANY service that runs on my PRIVATE PC has to be reachable from ANYWHERE ELSE?
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147[01:14:37] <johnjay> if I do something like while true; do apt-get install -y <Package>; done
148[01:14:40] <Ede|Popede> > Debian's default installation of services aims to be secure, but may not be as paranoid as some other operating systems which install all services disabled by default.
149[01:14:49] <johnjay> will that ensure that apt eventually safely downloads and installs the package in question?
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151[01:15:23] <Ede|Popede> what about "start and open services only when and what for they are needed"?
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155[01:16:47] <Ede|Popede> johnjay: you could do a simulated run with `-s` and see what each loop would do. though then dependencies may be resolved in each iteration.
156[01:17:09] <johnjay> Ede|Popede: it's more about unstable internet
157[01:17:19] <johnjay> I'm not sure if the Retries "0"; option is going to work
158[01:17:22] <johnjay> and i don't have time to check right now
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162[01:17:55] <Ede|Popede> you could download the packages and then when all are in the cache install from there
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176[01:24:01] <joepublic> seems like you might check dpkg -l|grep ^ii|grep the-important-package instead of just "true"
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179[01:24:52] <joepublic> you can add, I am happy to report, |cat at any stage of that pipeline
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182[01:25:22] <hatter_> What is the correct method to reinstall a package after I have deleted the log directory it uses ? So the log directory gets recreated also ?
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193[01:30:15] <Trel> Is there any way to simulate or do a dry run with apt (not apt-get)?
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208[01:44:23] <xdruppi> is it bad to use contrib and non-free packages? I mean, are non-free officially supported by debian developers?
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213[01:46:28] <Neobenedict> no its fine xdruppi
214[01:46:32] <Neobenedict> you kinda need to
215[01:46:37] <Neobenedict> its just licensing that stops it being in the main
216[01:46:51] <xdruppi> Neobenedict: what do yu mean "i need"?
217[01:47:04] <Neobenedict> you don't need to but sometimes it is the only source of a package unless you compile from source
218[01:47:28] <Neobenedict> and closed source things may be in nonfree like chrome
219[01:47:53] <xdruppi> Neobenedict: uh ok, also im curious, not exactly sure how it's organized but do the developers work on it? as in is everything in non-free also tested for stable?
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221[01:48:06] <Neobenedict> yes if its in the stable branch
222[01:48:07] <Neobenedict> its stable
223[01:48:19] <xdruppi> ok thanks a lot, much appreciated
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225[01:48:34] <Neobenedict> main consists of DFSG-compliant packages, which do not rely on software outside this area to operate. These are the only packages considered part of the Debian distribution.
226[01:48:34] <Neobenedict> contrib packages contain DFSG-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free).
227[01:48:34] <Neobenedict> non-free contains software that does not comply with the DFSG.
228[01:48:38] <Neobenedict> replaced-url
229[01:48:56] <xdruppi> Neobenedict: yeah i was reading that, but it was not clear enough for me haha
230[01:48:58] <xdruppi> thanks anyways
231[01:49:10] <Neobenedict> it is safe to use it if you are asking tha
232[01:49:10] <Neobenedict> t
233[01:49:16] <Neobenedict> or as safe as it can be
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236[01:50:02] <xdruppi> Neobenedict: one last question, is it bad to use stable instead of stretch?
237[01:50:10] <xdruppi> eventually i'll want to update
238[01:50:24] <xdruppi> should i do it by using stable or pretty much wipe my hard disk?
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240[01:51:35] <Neobenedict> stretch *is* stable
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244[01:53:35] <xdruppi> yeah but i mean, what if a new stable version comes out, if my sources.list is using stretch, it wont go to buster
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261[02:08:25] <Ede|Popede> when did resolv.conf change its location?
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264[02:08:56] <MysticKnight> eh
265[02:09:00] <MysticKnight> its moved?
266[02:09:03] <MysticKnight> where to?
267[02:09:31] <phogg> and why?
268[02:09:51] <hatter_> What is the correct method to reinstall a package after I have deleted the log directory it uses ? So the log directory gets recreated also ?
269[02:10:18] <Ede|Popede> links to /var/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf now
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272[02:11:12] <themill> links to ≠ change its location
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274[02:11:35] <Ede|Popede> in used to be in /etc, where the link no is
275[02:11:39] <Ede|Popede> * now
276[02:11:50] <themill> it is still /etc/resolv.conf
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282[02:13:04] <Ede|Popede> the file is in /var, in /etc there is a link to it. NOT same situation as in the past.
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284[02:13:28] <themill> My point is that /etc/resolv.conf has not moved. It is still /etc/resolv.conf
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286[02:14:41] <themill> What has changed is that you are no longer storing stuff in /etc/ that changes several times per day, making unnecessary changes in backups and preventing /etc from being readonly
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312[02:24:17] <Ede|Popede> sure, that r/o thing makes sense. i think i had a system a lot of years back with r/o root. no internet, so regular updates weren't a thing. must have been during the days when it followed the model of (static,variable)×(local,network)
313[02:24:49] <Ede|Popede> /usr/bin/X used to be a link into /var and back to the actual binary.
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317[02:25:52] <Ede|Popede> only... when / is readonly, how does writing into /root work? oO
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322[02:27:24] <joepublic> mount root somewhere else I'dd think
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358[02:58:30] <jelly> hatter_: was the log dir path part of any package? It if was, reinstall that package.
359[02:59:13] <jelly> hatter_: dpkg -S /path/to/some/thing works even if you deleted said thing
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363[03:01:58] <eamanu> Hello! I am searching someone that could review some package that I push to salsa
364[03:02:12] <eamanu> and then upload to server. Please
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368[03:04:00] <hatter_> Jelly, yes, I am reinstalling exim4 and I deleted the /var/log/exim4/ directory.
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372[03:04:43] <hatter_> Jelly: using apt-get purge or reinstall install doesn't recreate the /var/log/exim4/ directory
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394[03:20:14] <jelly> hatter_: and what does "dpkg -S /var/log/exim4" say?
395[03:20:20] <devslash2> debian comes with tightvnc right
396[03:20:44] <abrotman> judd: versions tightvnc
397[03:20:45] <judd> No package named 'tightvnc' was found in amd64.
398[03:20:51] <hatter_> jelly: I deleted that directory.
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400[03:21:22] <abrotman> judd: versions tightvncserver
401[03:21:22] <judd> Package: tightvncserver on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.9-6.4; jessie: 1.3.9-6.5; buster: 1:1.3.9-9; sid: 1:1.3.9-9; stretch: 1:1.3.9-9
402[03:21:24] <abrotman> devslash2: yes
403[03:21:35] <devslash2> on my debian install that i installed using an android app it pre installs xtightvnc
404[03:21:40] <jelly> hatter_: yes, you said that already. Nevertheless, what does it say, if anything?
405[03:21:51] <devslash2> theres a problem with tightvnc where it doesnt support the randr extension
406[03:21:56] <hatter_> jelly: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /var/log/exim4
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408[03:22:09] <devslash2> how would i go about replacing it with tigervnc which starts at bootup
409[03:22:15] <jelly> hatter_: so it does not belong to any package directly.
410[03:22:23] <devslash2> i mean
411[03:22:28] <devslash2> tightvnc starts at bootup
412[03:22:47] <hatter_> jelly: exim4-daemon-heavy or the exim4 package must create it when they install ?
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414[03:22:59] <jelly> hatter_: apparently
415[03:23:21] <devslash2> i want to replace tightvnc with tigervnc because randr extension doesnt work with tightvnc
416[03:24:19] <devslash2> also making sure that tigervnc starts at boot up
417[03:27:05] <jelly> hatter_: might be some other package. like exim4-base. If unsure, you can purge _all_ of them (losing the configuration and mail queue) and reinstall. When you install anew, pull just the leaf package (exim4-daemon-light, or exim4-daemon-heavy)
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419[03:27:34] <hatter_> jelly: I actually thought I had gotten rid of all it.
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422[03:28:20] <jelly> hatter_: dpkg -l exim4\* | grep -v ^.n
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432[03:34:53] <hatter_> jelly: thank you for your help, I will give it a try
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435[03:38:38] <hatter_> jelly: thank you, you were right, I hadn't removed exim4-base
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492[04:11:06] <awal1> why wicd shows wireless signal +80% usually but nm - 70% almost?
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498[04:12:13] <awal1> i guess they just "calculate/do things" differently bcoz I have same speed/bandwidth no matters which one I use
499[04:12:23] <awal1> any idea?
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554[04:58:50] <awal1> Ii added "--volume-max=150" to ".config/mpv/input.conf" . now when i run mpv i get 2[input] Unfinished key binding: volume-max=150 at /home/xc/.config/mpv/input.conf:2". what is the problem ?
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556[04:59:58] <awal1> "volume-max=150" ^
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566[05:03:35] <rwp> awal1, The signal strength numbers reported by the wifi driver are a guess at how "loud" the radio signal is. But if it can be heard then speed _can_ be the same at a lower strength.
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568[05:05:12] <awal1> rwp, ok, I get you. will investigate that for have more info. thanks
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634[06:04:20] <agio> hi, does anyone know why the command `apt-get install --only-upgrade python2.7' seems to run without problem, while, if I replace "apt-get" with "aptitude" , aptitude throws a dependency error? what is apt-get doing that apitude isn't?
635[06:04:30] <agio> replaced-url
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666[06:54:06] <rwp> agio, aptitude is quirky. Quirks like that are why I prefer apt-get. And now an 'apt' tool exists too. So there are now *three* choices.
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668[06:56:01] <awal1> ,v libpython2.7-stdlib
669[06:56:01] <judd> Package: libpython2.7-stdlib on amd64 -- jessie: 2.7.9-2+deb8u1; stretch: 2.7.13-2+deb9u3; stretch-security: 2.7.13-2+deb9u3; buster: 2.7.15-5; sid: 2.7.15-5
670[06:56:14] <rwp> agio, Why 'apt-get install --upgrade-only'? Why not 'apt-get upgrade'? Shouldn't the rest of your system have the same love as python?
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672[06:57:57] <awal1> apt-get is careless
673[06:58:01] <awal1> sometimes
674[06:58:45] <rwp> apt-get upgrade is a very restricted subset of operations. Careless?
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684[07:06:56] <awal1> rwp, i mean apt-get when dist-upgrading tends to just remove stuff when unmet deps is complex
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686[07:07:27] <rwp> Ok. But we were talking about 'upgrade' not 'dist-upgrade'.
687[07:07:51] <themill> the two look utterly identical in that pastebin
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689[07:08:16] <agio> my example was an upgrade of a single package
690[07:08:18] <rwp> The 'upgrade' action is very safe. It can't add new packages or remove any packages but only upgrade the same named package to a newer version. Very safe.
691[07:08:23] <agio> not a dist-upgrade
692[07:08:24] <awal1> at the end you are right , themill
693[07:08:58] <rwp> In that pastebin it looks like aptitude would result in the same action as apt-get, but just required confirmation of that one package. Probably a result of the differences in the way the resolves handle "=" relationships.
694[07:09:11] <themill> it's a transitive dependency
695[07:09:26] <themill> rdep, in fact
696[07:09:26] <awal1> bcoz in your paste agio, aptitude finally suggest you to upgrade to deb9u3 even if it tells you 2.7 depends on debu2
697[07:09:48] <agio> rwp, in answer to your question "Why not 'apt-get upgrade"? I can't upgrade all system packages across the board like that
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699[07:10:20] <rwp> For my stable release production systems I make sure they are upgraded every day.
700[07:11:00] <rwp> Sid gets a little crazy and needs hand-holding through upgades. But Stable is... stable? :-)
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707[07:22:14] <nuxil> Good morning
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711[07:23:16] <gimbleguy> morning
712[07:23:43] <nuxil> I want to install a 64bit os on my PI3b and i came across this, i came across this. replaced-url
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715[07:24:30] <nuxil> has anyone tried that pi23-gen thingy?
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717[07:25:05] <agio> hi nuxil :) I thought when the term "deb9uX" appeared in a package version, it meant it was a security updated package? I have a package with "deb9u3" that came out of "stretch" archive?
718[07:25:08] <agio> replaced-url
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723[07:27:30] <rwp> agio, The deb9u2 and deb9u3 are just part of the version number. Those are often due to security upgrade needs. But for example at a future point release those may, usually will, be included in the main repository moving forward.
724[07:27:32] <nuxil> +deb(9ux) dont know what 9u2 and 9u3 means. b
725[07:27:38] <themill> !point release
726[07:27:39] <dpkg> Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. You can upgrade to the latest point release by referencing a Debian <mirror> in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "apt update && apt full-upgrade". See <9.4>. replaced-url
727[07:27:53] <rwp> The deb9u2 was probably (didn't look) a security upgrade previously but is now in the main repository.
728[07:28:18] <rwp> nuxil that is something agio was chatting about earlier perhaps before you arrived here.
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730[07:28:50] <nuxil> yes.. i just woke up.. sitting and drinking my morning coffee now,
731[07:28:55] <themill> replaced-url
732[07:29:10] <rwp> He just combined a greeting to you as well as continued to say something more about this too.
733[07:30:30] <agio> I thought point releases were just a way of bundling a group of upgraded packages, i.e. so that the main installer/netinstaller iso's could use those newer versions - to avoid getting all the originals, then just having to pointlessly `apt-get dist-upgrade' after the install?
734[07:31:09] <themill> agio: and how do you suppose those updated packages get into the installer?
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737[07:31:35] <rwp> True but saying it like that then what is a release at all except a bundle of packages?
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739[07:32:51] <agio> themill: do they get selected by their "deb9uX" numbers? so if the netinstaller say installed debian 9.3, it would contain a bunch of foo=1.0.0-deb9u3 type packages?
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741[07:33:02] <themill> no
742[07:33:06] <nuxil> yay.. 2018-12-05-arm64-rpi-4.14.y-rpi3P-stretch-arm64.img (653M) : successfully created :D
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744[07:33:21] <rwp> That deb9uX thing is just part of the version string. Should not be fixated upon.
745[07:33:40] <rwp> \o/ nuxil!
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747[07:34:39] <rwp> agio, The installer always takes the latest version number that it has available from the combined set of all pools.
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749[07:35:19] <rwp> This allows the security pool to change quickly and be merged on the fly in apt memory and apt will install the latest available pulling the security version if it is available.
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753[07:37:32] <agio> ok, so when the netinstaller is named: "debian-9.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso" it just means it was the 5th installer made since the first installer when stretch came out? and it just takes the latest snaphot of packages at the time it was made?
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756[07:38:36] <themill> agio: It's also the 5th time that stretch has been updated at all since release.
757[07:38:56] <themill> !9.6
758[07:38:56] <dpkg> Debian 9.6 was released on Nov 10, 2018. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Further details are at replaced-url
759[07:38:57] <rwp> Close enough agio. Close enough.
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763[07:40:07] <agio> so do package updates kind of come as a collection of packages getting updated together?
764[07:40:52] <SwedeMike> agio: sometimes.
765[07:41:21] <agio> I understand that - becuase of dependencies - multiple related packages need to receive updates together
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768[07:43:34] <agio> e.g. it seems with these python updates, the actual code patch applied to some library, but becuase some package depending on that librabry specified the original library, that parent package needed to be updated to - and it probably had no changes to it other than simply tweaking its "depends" entry in the control file?
769[07:44:12] <themill> no, the python2.7 source package just makes several binary packages and you need to have a consistent set
770[07:44:18] <themill> ,binaries python2.7
771[07:44:19] <judd> Source python2.7 in stretch: Binaries: idle-python2.7, libpython2.7, libpython2.7-dbg, libpython2.7-dev, libpython2.7-minimal, libpython2.7-stdlib, libpython2.7-testsuite, python2.7, python2.7-dbg, python2.7-dev, python2.7-doc, python2.7-examples, python2.7-minimal
772[07:44:46] <agio> ah, ok. that makes sense
773[07:45:12] <agio> so python2.7 is just a "meta" package?
774[07:45:19] <themill> no
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776[07:46:06] <themill> the python2.7 binary package contains quite a few files
777[07:46:22] <themill> (dpkg -L python2.7)
778[07:47:06] <agio> ok thanks
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784[07:55:28] <agio> is there a cli command to list the binary packages provided by a source package? i.e. a local equivalent to judd's ",binaries <package>" comand?
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787[07:57:43] <themill> apt-cache showsrc packagename
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789[07:58:58] <themill> or «aptitude search '?source-package(packagename)'» if you want some status info and a short description too
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794[08:01:34] <agio> themill: perfect, thanks
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864[08:57:40] <z8z> Can virtualbox on Debian expose the operating system if running an infected windows guest machine?
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866[08:58:27] <z8z> Is there any known security issue on running an infected virtual machine on your operating system?
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868[08:59:18] <c|oneman> not usually, unless you bridge the network on the lan and it runs a poisonning attack to redirect all traffic, I would guess.
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870[08:59:48] <c|oneman> I mean, I'm sure theres some crazy exploits that are possible, but unlikely
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876[09:04:12] <z8z> I see.... so you mean that most probably another random debian package might have an easier exploitable bug
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892[09:18:13] <jelly> z8z: there are sometimes guest-escape level issues on vbox, or any other hypervisor, yes
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894[09:18:46] <z8z> jelly: So better to avoid using on a machine with sensitive data i guess
895[09:18:53] <jelly> absolutely
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897[09:19:38] <jelly> perhaps more likely, malware can detect whether it's running in a VM and change its behaviour
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932[09:39:35] <sjamaan> tarzeau: I forgot to rejoin this channel when I restarted irssi, sorry about that
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934[09:39:56] <sjamaan> tarzeau: I'll try to clear my schedule to work on the CHICKEN package this weekend
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937[09:42:27] <engys> Hi, after an Stretch update the system is not able to boot anymore. Even if I try to reinstall efi grub, grub-install end up with errorcode 1. Any advice?
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951[09:47:34] <engys> I already ceated images from the ssd I try to boot. The root partition looks ok. fdisk also show a very normal partition table.
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958[09:50:38] <__m4ch1n3__> helo! Is there any terminal emulator with tabs except gnome terminal emulator?
959[09:51:52] <n4dir> __m4ch1n3__: most terminal emulators have tabs, no?
960[09:52:05] <vlt> __m4ch1n3__: mate-terminal, for example.
961[09:52:08] <n4dir> sakura, roxterm, lilyterm, tilda ... pretty sure they have
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963[09:54:06] <engys> well lets try the systemrescuecd .. no idea why I need another linux distribution to fix Debian
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965[09:58:08] <__m4ch1n3__> n4dir, which one has least of all dependencies? gnome-terminal e.g would install also replaced-url
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968[09:59:29] <__m4ch1n3__> this would mess up my beautifull slim openbox X session :(
969[09:59:38] <n4dir> sakura and lilyterm are rather small, not sure bout dependencies, but all depend on vte (then on all which depends on it)
970[09:59:53] <n4dir> you could try --no-recommends (or a similar option to apt-get)
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973[10:00:32] <n4dir> some prefer to use xterm,st,etc and use screen or tmux for tab-like behaviour. btw
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983[10:05:51] <azi`> I have a tar file that contains a folder foo and inside there are the usual folders bin/ lib/ etc/
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985[10:06:13] <azi`> how can I extract the file properly so that the bin/ lib/ etc/ folders get mergd in the usual root strucutre of the filesystem?
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987[10:08:32] <__m4ch1n3__> n4dir, thanks sakura is perfect
988[10:08:49] <n4dir> oh, nice.
989[10:09:42] <n4dir> back in the days there was a lot of hunting for the perfect terminal-emulator (in the forum). I still remember the names, but don't use many of them.
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992[10:10:39] <quackgyver> what is this gobbledygook
993[10:10:46] <quackgyver> some kind of computer data machine talk
994[10:10:53] <quackgyver> some kind of data jibber-jabber
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997[10:10:58] <JustASlacker> what is the perfect shell and why is it fish
998[10:11:18] <n4dir> haha. yes, like that. The vogue changes, but always people look for the best.
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1008[10:16:13] <jelly> azi`: extract first, flatten later?
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1010[10:16:38] <jelly> azi`: or do you merely want to extract file starting from / ?
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1012[10:17:37] <azi`> jelly: if I have an archive foo.tar with the structure foo/bin/executable i'd like executable to land under /bin
1013[10:18:29] <n4dir> not really good with it, but i guess third party apps should rather to go to /usr/local (on a side note).
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1015[10:18:53] <azi`> n4dir: sure, that was just to illustrate how i'd like to extract the binaries
1016[10:19:01] <n4dir> ah, sorry then.
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1025[10:24:05] <rephlexie> azi`, lookup --strip-components, i think you can skip dir levels with that iirc
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1030[10:27:12] <engys> oha and yes there was a firmware update -> "If that still doesn't help, you may have a buggy firmware implementation"
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1032[10:28:12] <engys> that is the reason I hate closed source blobs .. they came with problems and say nothing about them
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1034[10:29:27] <smokeysea> Hello, how to install latest stable of Linux 4.9 version on stretch?
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1038[10:32:08] <tarzeau> sjamaan: hi
1039[10:32:29] <tarzeau> sjamaan: i'd love to see it tested successfully, i've sent evo (the maintainer a mail about the update we did)
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1043[10:33:08] <sjamaan> Cool
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1045[10:34:29] <inch> smokeysea: Install kernel-package, get .config file from a linux-headers package, get the kernel source youwant, unpack it, put .config file in th source directory and follow kernel-package instructions.
1046[10:36:52] <smokeysea> inch: thanks. I was cloning git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git. Will explore kernel-package
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1053[10:42:23] <azi`> rephlexie: hm thanks
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1067[10:45:58] <Cologolo> Hello o/ Short question: let's suppose there's a file owned by some user with a specific id. That user doesn't exist anymore and I'd like to find out how that id used to belong to. Can I do it?
1068[10:46:18] <Cologolo> s/how/who
1069[10:47:05] <azi`> interesting question
1070[10:47:19] <azi`> i guess it's solvable if you keep daily snapshots of the /etc folder?
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1074[10:49:13] <Cologolo> azi`: we probably have snapshots but that's other department and it's not such a big deal. I would like to bother someone else as that's just a curiosity of mine
1075[10:49:25] <Cologolo> wouldn't*
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1077[10:49:56] <Cologolo> But if I think at it now, there's probably no other way of finding out
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1081[10:50:46] <DLange> you think well, Cologolo
1082[10:51:00] <DLange> logs or /etc/passwd are your sources
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1084[10:51:29] <Cologolo> DLange: yup, indeed
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1102[11:03:25] <Iridos> Cologolo, any tarfiles or backups would show it…
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1122[11:14:26] <papemco> Hello guys! I installed iwlwifi firmware, I pick wifi, which is good, But can't connect to internet! Anyone know what i am missing?
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1148[11:25:23] <engys> I fixed efi boot and the main problem was that I used a jessie rescue system on stretch
1149[11:25:26] <azi`> anyone familiar with debootstrap?
1150[11:25:44] <azi`> when I execute the program, everything works smoothly but I end up with an error code on exit replaced-url
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1155[11:27:22] <engys> in the end I have no idea why the boot problem was invited while updating the system?
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1158[11:30:53] <engys> the only thing I can imagine is that the system was already rebooting before the efi grub was fully written to the ssd?!
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1165[11:34:47] <nix64bit> is there a code snippets database that I can use to create code recipes
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1237[12:12:51] <furrymcgee> what are debian/contrib files? I would like to install this replaced-url
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1247[12:15:55] <furrymcgee> ,v runit
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1249[12:15:57] <petn-randall> furrymcgee: "contrib" generally means 3rd party contributed code. I'm guessing debian/rules does specific calls to package that (or not)
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1270[12:26:46] <furrymcgee> probably this is installed with runit-init
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1284[12:40:00] <JustASlacker> any good way to get a more up2date version of rsyslog on debian 9?
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1291[12:40:48] <JustASlacker> I need at least 8.31, while debian gives me 8.24
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1295[12:42:53] <BCMM> JustASlacker: 8.38 is in stretch-backports
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1298[12:43:45] <JustASlacker> oh, nice
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1300[12:44:20] <BCMM> replaced-url
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1312[12:48:36] <JustASlacker> thanks, I was just gonna ask
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1314[12:49:47] <nuxil> for one who is used to code and script in windows.. what ide do you recommend using in linux? atom ?
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1324[12:51:55] <nuxil> i thought that be a easy question and i get flooded with answers like i do when i aks which DE is best :p
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1326[12:53:09] <JustASlacker> depends a bit on the language
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1328[12:53:20] <JustASlacker> pycharm is nice and works on both
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1331[12:53:30] <JustASlacker> although I still go with vim for most
1332[12:53:37] <ikarosuusi> nice is like a CHARM and both work wooooohoo
1333[12:53:40] <nuxil> python mostly and some simple C when i code blinkys for Avr chips :p
1334[12:54:15] <ikarosuusi> nobody knows what is blinky or avr chip yo
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1337[12:55:16] <nuxil> avr is a microchip. blinky is a general "noob" 1st app you write for it. blinks a led. :) it uses basically uses gcc the toolchain.
1338[12:57:03] <nuxil> ikarosuusi, you heard of arduino?
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1341[12:57:13] <nuxil> im sure you have.
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1343[12:58:26] <ikarosuusi> yeah wow there are explosions
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1345[12:58:58] <ikarosuusi> dynamite meets bedrock
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1348[12:59:29] <nuxil> im just looking for some ide in linux that isnt written in some java crap.
1349[12:59:47] <ikarosuusi> IDK use vim?
1350[12:59:49] <ikarosuusi> vim is nice.
1351[13:00:02] <gimbleguy> vim is good
1352[13:00:05] <ikarosuusi> I'm using jupyter notebook for python at the moment
1353[13:00:20] <ikarosuusi> I have anaconda
1354[13:00:21] <nuxil> vim. sure. vim is good. but i prefere something more graphical.
1355[13:00:26] <Mathisen> sublime is nice, i like it
1356[13:00:31] <ikarosuusi> yeah sublime is cool
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1358[13:00:37] <BCMM> nuxil: kdevelop?
1359[13:00:39] <ikarosuusi> it's feasible
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1363[13:01:30] <ikarosuusi> off the top i'd say go sublime if you don't want to have vim
1364[13:01:54] <ikarosuusi> some people say Qt Creator is good
1365[13:02:03] <ikarosuusi> for like complete ide
1366[13:02:04] <nuxil> BCMM, once upon a time. i used it.. but after kde switched to plasme stuffy. i droped kde for good. :p last good kde was like 3.4 series or something :p
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1368[13:02:30] <BCMM> nuxil: ... you realise you don't have to use KDE or Plasma as your desktop environment to run KDE applicatins, right?
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1370[13:02:40] <BCMM> or is this more like you're avoiding the applications too as a form of protest?
1371[13:02:46] <Mathisen> nuxil, there is a fork of kde 3 Trinity
1372[13:02:50] <ikarosuusi> if your thing is: I want graphics in my text program, go for sublime text
1373[13:03:02] <nuxil> Sublime looks desent.
1374[13:03:08] <luizbag> sublime rox
1375[13:03:22] <luizbag> it's easy to use and quite light
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1377[13:04:37] <ikarosuusi> whats the lizard one
1378[13:04:40] <ikarosuusi> I forget the name
1379[13:04:49] <ikarosuusi> I used to use it in windows, not sure if it's native linux too
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1384[13:07:01] <ikarosuusi> pff they don't have the free version anymore
1385[13:07:06] <ikarosuusi> well, it was sleak looking.
1386[13:07:08] <ikarosuusi> Komodo IDE
1387[13:07:17] <nuxil> oh. sublime is out, just checked their website
1388[13:07:38] <nuxil> "Sublime Text may be downloaded and evaluated for free, however a license must be purchased for continued use."
1389[13:08:13] <Mathisen> you can use it for free. you get an anoying window that says "pls buy me" when you save thats all
1390[13:08:14] <ikarosuusi> That has been the state of things
1391[13:08:29] <nuxil> wait.. didnt M$ make something for free.. VS lite or someting ?
1392[13:08:30] <Mathisen> and not everytime you save but kinda offen
1393[13:08:37] <nuxil> for linux
1394[13:08:37] <lunacat> nuxil: VS Community
1395[13:08:43] <lunacat> ah VS Code
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1397[13:08:55] <ikarosuusi> yeah sublimes a whiny bitch for sure
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1399[13:10:25] <ikarosuusi> go anaconda, jupyter notebook and julia
1400[13:10:31] <nuxil> Vs Code. :)
1401[13:10:55] <ikarosuusi> MS vs Code - I'd say code and ditch the MS
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1403[13:11:06] <BCMM> sublime text isn't even free software
1404[13:11:07] <ikarosuusi> don't be a doofus
1405[13:11:20] <ikarosuusi> No really if you like MS then sure why not
1406[13:11:28] <Mathisen> nuxil, i would give sublime a try if you have not even with the popup on save. it is great. i have tested TONS of diffrent IDE with c/c++ usage and sublime is top3 for sure. currently i use atom for everything
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1408[13:11:51] <BCMM> vscode is an electron app, which i would *hope* any reasonable person would recognise as even worse than java
1409[13:12:30] <nuxil> atom is developed by git?
1410[13:12:48] <ikarosuusi> Woopedy woop I'm out; go with spyder
1411[13:12:59] <BCMM> atom is the original electron app
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1413[13:16:47] <ikarosuusi> what what do you mean worse than java
1414[13:16:52] <ikarosuusi> it's completely different thing
1415[13:17:13] <ikarosuusi> you speak as if java and html were something similar or javascript for that matter
1416[13:17:49] <nuxil> who did?
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1418[13:18:11] <ikarosuusi> bcmm
1419[13:18:59] <BCMM> ikarosuusi: ok, so i'm guessing at why nuxil doesn't like "java crap"
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1421[13:19:30] <BCMM> but if it's non-native appearance, or bloat, or really most of the common reasons to dislike java applications...
1422[13:19:30] <nuxil> why i dont like java? well it has roots way back to early 2000..
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1424[13:20:02] <furrymcgee> kdevelop has nicely integrated documentation and man pages
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1426[13:20:29] <ikarosuusi> bcmm so you think java is javascript?
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1428[13:20:47] <ikarosuusi> and based on that great wisdom you decided to become a teacher
1429[13:20:48] <ikarosuusi> wow
1430[13:20:52] <BCMM> ikarosuusi: i honestly don't know if you read my last message or not
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1432[13:20:57] <ikarosuusi> i foresee greatness in your career
1433[13:21:15] <BCMM> ikarosuusi: do you just come out with that line any time both java and javascript have been mentioned in a related context?
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1438[13:23:20] <ikarosuusi> electron is written in c++, objective-c, objective-c++, python and javascript
1439[13:23:33] <ikarosuusi> the apps are done in javascript, html and css
1440[13:23:50] <ikarosuusi> how does it compare with java?
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1442[13:25:31] <BCMM> ikarosuusi: people who object to java applications are often (but admittedly not always) concerned with resource usage, non-native performance, and non-native appearance
1443[13:25:42] <BCMM> ikarosuusi: electron is just worse than java in each of those respects
1444[13:26:01] <ikarosuusi> oh ok yeah
1445[13:26:07] <BCMM> ikarosuusi: i think you could stand to be a little less arrogant, and read a little bit more
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1447[13:26:19] <ikarosuusi> looks like something I could use for testing though
1448[13:26:45] <ikarosuusi> I'm not sure if I know how to
1449[13:27:13] <nuxil> I dont like java. do i need to write a essay why i dont? :p i think its a language that should have died out long time ago. but sadly to much of emmeded world runs java. so its still alive.. there are better languages to use imo.
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1451[13:28:03] <ikarosuusi> i dont even know what java looks like
1452[13:28:14] <ikarosuusi> you propably shouldn't either
1453[13:28:36] <ikarosuusi> undo your inner java
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1456[13:29:00] <nuxil> and all the xml files invololved with java.. gosh. :p
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1459[13:30:02] <BCMM> nuxil: i meant from a user's perspective
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1461[13:30:14] <nuxil> no in theory you can have the engine of your app written in any language and you cant tell what its written in. example you can use python and wxwidget.
1462[13:30:17] <BCMM> (since you don't have to write java in order to use an IDE implemented in java)
1463[13:30:20] <nuxil> @ikarosuusi,
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1465[13:30:43] <nuxil> BCMM, i know.
1466[13:30:51] <blackflow> mmmmh Jython
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1474[13:32:15] <nuxil> anywho.. i installed atom :p
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1476[13:32:28] <ikarosuusi> I like space!
1477[13:32:42] <ikarosuusi> And cotton candy
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1479[13:33:10] <ikarosuusi> Stars are nice
1480[13:33:27] <ikarosuusi> Anyway, cya!
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1482[13:33:32] <nuxil> bye
1483[13:33:43] <gimbleguy> bye
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1486[13:35:03] <bezaban> ,v golang
1487[13:35:05] <judd> Package: golang on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.0.2-1.1; wheezy-security: 2:1.0.2-1.1+deb7u3; jessie: 2:1.3.3-1; jessie-backports: 2:1.7~5~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:1.7~5; stretch-backports: 2:1.10~5~bpo9+1; buster: 2:1.10~5; sid: 2:1.10~5
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1554[14:18:25] <nuxil> can someone tell me what its call. the icon/img created by the kernel at boot. all ubuntu series basically have it.
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1556[14:18:41] <nuxil> im following this guide replaced-url
1557[14:19:12] <nuxil> and i basically want to repace the Rasberry Logo on boot with myown icon.
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1560[14:20:37] <jelly> nuxil: you using raspbian or debian? If it's raspbian, try asking in
1561[14:20:41] <jelly> !raspbian
1562[14:20:41] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
1563[14:20:45] <bites> i think ubuntu uses plymouth for boot animations.
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1565[14:21:27] <jelly> the penguin image at kernel boot is called... I honstly have no idea
1566[14:21:39] <queip> debian desktop usually hangs for me
1567[14:21:51] <nuxil> jelly, im building stretch for it.. for arm64. raspberry only have a 32bit os they provide.
1568[14:22:28] <queip> "startx" started from a text console, loads xfce. All works untill desktop starts screen saver. Then screen becomes black and nothing works. If 2 desktops (different users) are running then you can see sometimes the "this screen is locked" text, but it never shows the unlock dialog
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1571[14:23:20] <nuxil> i was googeling nad this is what i got.. im i on the right track? replaced-url
1572[14:23:21] <centrix> On two 8.10 boxes I run squid (3.4.8 and 3.5.28). Both configs have the %tl in its logformat string, but 3.5.28 outputs "1544005598.023" instead of "05/Dec/2018:14:15:10 +0100" why? Locales are the same.
1573[14:23:43] <jelly> nuxil: that seems to be about right
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1575[14:24:11] <nuxil> nice
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1577[14:25:36] <jelly> the only kernel source I have nearby shows a couple dozen .ppm under /usr/src/linux.../drivers/video/logo/*.ppm
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1584[14:31:08] <BoggGod> is this a temporary thing? gcc-doc not available for buster/gcc
1585[14:31:11] <BoggGod> replaced-url
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1589[14:32:04] <themill> ,v gcc-doc
1590[14:32:05] <judd> Package: gcc-doc on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 5:4; jessie/contrib: 5:4.9.1-3; stretch/contrib: 5:6.1.0-1; sid/contrib: 5:7.2.0-2
1591[14:32:51] <themill> Looks like #905022 wants fixing
1592[14:33:07] <themill> judd bug 905022
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1594[14:33:08] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1596[14:34:09] <tsglove> Will Debian ever adopt "netplan"?
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1598[14:34:16] <blackflow> gods no.
1599[14:34:47] <tsglove> Awesomeness!! =D
1600[14:34:48] <blackflow> pls no NIHplan in Debian. kthnxbai.
1601[14:35:15] <tsglove> I just finished fighting with netplan on an ubuntu18.04 install. Sweet lord. What a way to complicate something simple.
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1604[14:35:51] <blackflow> it's literally a 15th standard. one config to rule them all and in yaml bind them.
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1606[14:36:20] <blackflow> by literally, I mean that's exactly it's primary purpose. to be "one" (15th) standard for network config.
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1616[14:42:34] <Tazmain> Hi all, I am getting an erorr "dpkg: error: error creating new backup file '/var/lib/dpkg/status-old': Invalid cross-device link" with debian:stretch-slim , when I try installing wget, in my docker container
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1620[14:43:45] <EdePopede> the standard to finish the proliferation amongst standards
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1624[14:48:01] <Tazmain> no man, even debian:stretch gives me that issue. Sigh unusable images
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1713[15:57:02] <Zgrokl> hey what's the correct kernel parms to fully desactivate any meltdown and spectre things
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1716[15:58:21] <Brigo> Zgrokl install spectre-meltdown-checker.
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1731[16:03:10] <Zgrokl> Brigo, and then ?
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1804[16:47:52] <tsglove> Hey guys, basic chmod question. I have learned the octet notation for the permissions, yet... little bit lost on the sticky bit. How would I do chmod g+s html/ in octet?
1805[16:48:11] <greycat> 2755 or whatever
1806[16:48:43] <tsglove> 2.... because of write. ok ok. and if I wanted to *remove* it? chmod g-s html/ ?
1807[16:48:43] <greycat> 2000 is setgid, 4000 is setuid, 1000 is sticky
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1810[16:49:06] <tsglove> on my way to try this out. Thank you greycat
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1813[16:49:23] <greycat> Unfortunately, because of some idiocy that someone decided upon ages ago, you *cannot* remove a sticky, setuid or setgid bit with chmod in absolute octal format. I hate this with a seething hatred.
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1815[16:49:51] <tsglove> Wait... so, octal... once it´s set... done? So I would have to run chmod g-s html/ ?
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1817[16:49:59] <greycat> If you want a directory to be plain old 755, you must use the relative letter-based syntax to achieve it, or nuke it and recreate it.
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1821[16:50:06] <tsglove> WOWZA 0_0
1822[16:50:33] <tsglove> greycat, dude... like the song says: I can see clearly now the rain has goneeeee.....
1823[16:50:41] <greycat> wooledg:~$ mkdir hateyou; chmod 2755 hateyou; chmod 755 hateyou; ls -ld hateyou
1824[16:50:41] <greycat> drwxr-sr-x 2 wooledg voice 4096 Dec 5 10:50 hateyou
1825[16:50:42] <tsglove> wow. I was trying to figure out the octal notation
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1827[16:51:11] <petn-randall> greycat: `chmod 0755 hateyou` doesn't remove it?
1828[16:51:16] <tsglove> Ok, at least I have an answer to *that*
1829[16:51:21] <greycat> wooledg:~$ mkdir hateyou; chmod 2755 hateyou; chmod 0755 hateyou; ls -ld hateyou
1830[16:51:22] <tsglove> petn-randall, nope... I just tried it;
1831[16:51:25] <greycat> drwxr-sr-x 2 wooledg voice 4096 Dec 5 10:51 hateyou
1832[16:52:02] <tsglove> That will be the downfall of Skynet.
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1841[16:55:28] <petn-randall> It seems to only apply to directories ...
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1843[16:55:38] <petn-randall> If "hateyou" is a file, it works as expected.
1844[16:55:46] <greycat> Yup. Because reasons.
1845[16:56:32] <tsglove> lol I´m telling you... 2047, Skynet... this will be how we take it down.
1846[16:56:46] <greycat> POSIX wording says: "For regular files, .... For other file types, it is implementation-defined whether or not requests to set or clear the set-user-ID-on-execution or set-group-ID-on-execution bits are honored."
1847[16:56:52] <greycat> GNU chose not to honor such requests.
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1859[17:06:35] <jelly> POSIX tends to canonicalize what various exists crazy unixy OSes do already
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1861[17:07:14] <greycat> And the key phrase "it is implementation-defined" means everyone did something different and POSIX couldn't pick one.
1862[17:07:23] <jelly> bingo
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1867[17:09:31] <tw> out of curiosity, is there a reason directory suid/sgid/sticky should be preferred to ACLs or security contexts?
1868[17:10:16] <greycat> Because they're (fairly) standard, and you can actually see them with basic tools, and everyone knows how they work?
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1875[17:11:07] <petn-randall> "everyone knows how they work" bwahahahaha
1876[17:11:11] <jelly> using newer features carries risks like bugs, or other unforeseen edge cases. Does your backup system save and restore ACLs correctly?
1877[17:11:12] <petn-randall> You wish.
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1881[17:11:42] <jelly> petn-randall: that only goes double for less standard features
1882[17:11:47] <petn-randall> Im sure there's a strong reverse correlation between sublime users and knowing how they work. :)
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1884[17:12:03] <jelly> prejudice!
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1886[17:12:58] * petn-randall runs `chmod -R 777 .` on a directory because the error wrote something about permission errors.
1887[17:13:02] <jelly> I've broken setuidless /bin/ping at least twice
1888[17:13:12] <tw> All good points, there are plenty of gotchas involved. (and yes they do, otherwise selinux blows up on restore)
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1909[17:24:52] <jelly> tw: so YOU're the one of three people actually using selinux on Debian!
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1914[17:25:30] <tw> I might be the fourth.
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1920[17:27:56] <tw> I couldn't figure out how to get dbus filtering working in apparmor, otherwise I'd probably still be using that.
1921[17:27:57] <murii> How can I set a default window manager?
1922[17:28:14] <murii> I have it installed and currently running but after I reboot it wont be anymore
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1925[17:28:42] <greycat> murii: either invoke it in your .xsession file, or do a "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" for a global default
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1927[17:28:52] <murii> ok
1928[17:28:54] <murii> ty
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1935[17:30:00] <jelly> tw: I might have questions. Still hoping budget happens for grsec and their rbac instead.
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1939[17:31:37] <tw> I wouldn't consider myself expert by any measure, but sure, I'll help if I can.
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1944[17:32:42] <blackflow> jelly: budget as in paying the license, or.... ?
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1949[17:35:04] <jelly> blackflow: correct
1950[17:35:23] <jelly> not license tho, license is GPL2. Subscription service.
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1953[17:35:47] <blackflow> jelly: right, I stand corrected. :) btw, what is the price these days?
1954[17:36:04] <blackflow> 'twas yearly per server if I'm not mistaken
1955[17:36:04] <jelly> blackflow: I don't know if I'm allowed to say ;-)
1956[17:36:08] <hexnewbie> Where can I find up-to-date documentation on how to manage remote repository keys in trusted.gpg now that apt-key is outdated and stated for removal, and trusted.gpg.d no longer functions in stretch?
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1958[17:36:13] <blackflow> jelly: ballpark range?
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1960[17:36:41] <blackflow> <$1k/yr, <$5k/yr, <$10k/yr
1961[17:37:08] <jelly> yes. one of those, esp. if you have more servers
1962[17:37:12] <jelly> :-)
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1964[17:37:33] <blackflow> har har :)
1965[17:38:01] <tw> They don't do single-user licensing either.
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1967[17:38:17] <jelly> tw: they do if you're a single company.
1968[17:38:19] <blackflow> not that I'd ever pay a cent. their childish, butthurt, whining on twitter sealed that. it could be free and open back again, it's a nope for me.
1969[17:39:01] <jelly> KSPP is so. damned. slow. And fraught with compromises.
1970[17:39:43] <blackflow> mmm
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1981[17:48:39] <petn-randall> . o O ( Kerbal Space Program Professional? )
1982[17:48:58] <blackflow> hexnewbie: google fails me finding more info on apt-key being outdated and stated for removal, have a link?
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1991[17:52:37] <hexnewbie> blackflow: OK, my bad. Not slated for removal, just it shouldn't be used: replaced-url
1992[17:52:38] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1993[17:52:51] <murii> How do I extract a tar.gz.asc?
1994[17:53:12] <petn-randall> murii: It's a signature, there's nothing to "extract".
1995[17:53:31] <murii> oh
1996[17:53:34] <murii> asc = ascii?
1997[17:53:41] <cybrNaut> ,p uuencode
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1999[17:53:51] <petn-randall> murii: You can verify the contents of tar.gz via tar.gz.asc and the trusted key.
2000[17:54:04] <cybrNaut> .p uuencode
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2002[17:54:21] <cybrNaut> ,v uuencode
2003[17:54:23] <judd> No package named 'uuencode' was found in amd64.
2004[17:54:41] <cybrNaut> where did it go judd?
2005[17:54:54] <cybrNaut> we need that
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2008[17:55:43] <blackflow> hexnewbie: one person (albeit a @debian.org) saying "shouldn't be used".
2009[17:56:08] <blackflow> hexnewbie: and btw... it's about "apt-key add" not apt-key as a whole
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2011[17:58:17] <petn-randall> You don't need apt-key. You can simply drop the key as ascii-armored pubkey to /etc/trusted.gpg.d/foo.asc, or as binary export to foo.gpg.
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2013[17:58:49] <hexnewbie> blackflow: Well, one of the three maintainers of the apt package which contains apt-key
2014[17:59:05] <petn-randall> That's at least how I've been doing it with my config management.
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2016[17:59:44] <hexnewbie> petn-randall: Well, that no longer works for me after upgrading to stretch. Those keys were completely ignored, so I imported them all in trusted.gpg one by one
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2020[18:00:56] <blackflow> well I'd think that deprecation and removal of apt-key would at least be accompanied by a document, wiki page or something. I was hoping to find that, but I can't.
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2022[18:01:09] <blackflow> pretty sure the dev here actually meant the "apt-key add" interface.
2023[18:01:28] <jelly> petn-randall: /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ only stores gpg keyring files now, not keys on their own
2024[18:01:44] <jelly> so you have to put one key in its own keyring. Because.
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2037[18:08:05] <hexnewbie> jelly: Hm... If I understand you correctly the reason the Debian repository keys are working, and my third-party keys (*ahem* Microsoft *ahem) aren't, is that the Debian keys are keyring files, and the others are --export keys?
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2042[18:09:09] <jelly> hexnewbie: yes, as far as I can tell. run "file /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/*"
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2044[18:09:13] <jelly> /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/deb-multimedia-keyring.gpg: GPG key public ring, created Wed Mar 5 07:22:24 2014
2045[18:09:14] <hexnewbie> The bizarre thing is that when I gpg --export a key, the file is smaller than when I create a keyring and put it there, yet "file" reports "GPG key public ring" for both
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2052[18:12:14] <jelly> gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/deb-multimedia-keyring.gpg --list-public-keys # lists stuff
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2056[18:13:53] <hexnewbie> jelly: Thanks
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2061[18:16:06] <jelly> also: I should probably delete all that deb-multimedia stuff
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2097[18:37:25] <glaucom> BCMM:
2098[18:37:25] <glaucom> I had gotten localhost / openoffice.php open the open office, and out of nowhere it stopped. just know that I screwed up with all the permissions I'm formatting again lol.
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2100[18:38:17] <BCMM> glaucom: i still think that "messed up" describes the permissions that allow this to work properly
2101[18:38:26] <BCMM> at second script, as a more appropriate user, is a cleaner solution.
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2119[18:51:42] <glaucom> I'll try again, from scratch. lol
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2167[19:10:50] <RonWhoCares> Would someone be able to tell me what resolves this?
2168[19:10:52] <RonWhoCares> replaced-url
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2174[19:14:01] <abrotman> RonWhoCares: how is this related to Debian?
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2177[19:14:37] <abrotman> I think you wanted to ask #ubuntu
2178[19:14:41] <RonWhoCares> Sorry, I clicked on the wrong channel I have open. I use Ubuntu Desktop. Yep
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2180[19:15:21] <aloo_shu> the way I'm reading this, it ignores the change but gives a warning, since it does get the google repo pkg list after all RonWhoCares
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2213[19:32:41] <cybrNaut> this should simply compose an email and dump it to the screen => mail.mailutils --no-config --set sendmail=cat
2214[19:33:00] <cybrNaut> but it doesn't. Instead it gives => mail.mailutils: <int>:: unknown keyword `sendmail'
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2233[19:37:03] <danielboston26> i have a usb key that somehow got two partitions on it
2234[19:37:15] <danielboston26> i want to make it back into one drive how do i do this on debian?
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2238[19:38:11] <aloo_shu> missing dash/underscore, i.e. --set-sendmail or similar? I'm guessing, man mailutils oughta tell you
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2241[19:38:26] <aloo_shu> ^ cybrNaut
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2249[19:40:09] <danielboston26> aloo_shu, huh?
2250[19:40:17] <danielboston26> that has nothing to do with my issue
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2262[19:42:28] <mtn> danielboston26: use gparted
2263[19:42:50] <bites> cybrNaut: try variables.sendmail
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2271[19:45:52] <aloo_shu> danielboston26: you make sure that you have a mbr partition scheme on the pendrive, then you put a single fat32/vfat partition using all the space, either by deleting both partitions and making a new one (fast & easy) or by deleting one & growing the other (potentially keeping the data on it, but still recommended to backup). The tools you could use for that are for instance parted or fdisk, or if you want a nice graphical tool, gparted (may have to instal
2272[19:45:53] <aloo_shu> …ay)
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2275[19:46:39] <danielboston26> aloo_shu, there is no data on the drive someone windows make it into two partitions
2276[19:47:05] <danielboston26> so it seems gparted worked but the files app is still seeing two drives
2277[19:47:14] <danielboston26> do i have to eject and remount?
2278[19:47:18] <mtn> danielboston26: yes
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2281[19:48:22] <danielboston26> mtn, hmmm now its not showing up at all
2282[19:48:39] <mtn> danielboston26: did you make new partitions or just wipe out the old ones?
2283[19:49:02] <danielboston26> mtn did partition format ntfs
2284[19:49:22] <mtn> danielboston26: open gparted and see how it looks
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2286[19:50:17] <danielboston26> yeah it worked
2287[19:50:21] <aloo_shu> (also need to learn gparted basics, e.g. choose carefully that you're working on the right drive, and: changes are not made until you click apply)
2288[19:50:26] <danielboston26> i guess files doesn't show ntfs drives
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2290[19:50:39] <cybrNaut> bites: thanks.. "variables.sendmail" is not rejected, but it has no effect either it seems
2291[19:50:39] <mtn> danielboston26: you mean partitions? it should
2292[19:50:50] <danielboston26> whatever
2293[19:50:58] <danielboston26> well its shows up on my pc
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2295[19:51:31] <aloo_shu> ntfs is not a fs recommended for pendrives, windows itself will use fat32
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2297[19:51:37] <danielboston26> before it said the disk was only 10mb b/c someone it made a 10mb and a 116gb partition
2298[19:52:03] <danielboston26> aloo_shu, i just did that because it didn't have a choice for exfat
2299[19:52:19] <aloo_shu> you sure the 10mb is a partition, not free space?
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2301[19:52:37] <aloo_shu> extfat is not fat32
2302[19:52:53] <hruske> hi, I'm trying to set up reprepro with signed Release and I've come to the problem that "gpgv --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg InRelease" works but apt still complains with "The following signatures were invalid: ..."
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2304[19:53:02] <hruske> how would I go debugging this
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2307[19:53:28] <hruske> is it a problem if the key does not expire?
2308[19:54:15] <danielboston26> aloo_shu, its a 128gb drive fat32 won't work
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2310[19:54:43] <bites> hruske: i had this problem too. the gpg defaults are too weak. i think i solved it by using gpg2.
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2312[19:55:28] <danielboston26> you should be using gpg2
2313[19:55:38] <danielboston26> i believe its the default
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2315[19:55:47] <hruske> oh, ok
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2317[19:56:16] <aloo_shu> danielboston26: you might have to install some extras for extfat support , both for gparted and debian, sry can't say which precisely. ext2 or ext3/ext4 with journalling turned off are other options if you mainly use the drive for linux
2318[19:56:32] <danielboston26> it is the default on debian
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2320[19:56:37] <danielboston26> at least on buster
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2322[19:56:59] <danielboston26> aloo_shu, i don't care i got it fixed thats all i care about
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2324[19:57:21] <aloo_shu> afaik extfat is a microdaft propietary format
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2327[19:57:46] <danielboston26> aloo_shu, thats fine
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2329[19:57:58] <aloo_shu> but if you need, there is slender software for mounting ext2/3/4 in windoze
2330[19:57:58] <danielboston26> aloo_shu, im not using it in a linux computer
2331[19:58:26] <danielboston26> i only needed it to update the bios on my gaming system
2332[19:58:42] <hruske> ha, it works, awesome, been banging my head into keyboard for a while!
2333[19:58:43] <aloo_shu> try a pkg search for 'extfat' in name & description
2334[19:58:44] <danielboston26> and for some reason wouldn't fix the problem it created
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2337[19:59:22] <danielboston26> hruske, gpg2 is the default gpg1 is deprecated im not sure you can even download it anymore
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2341[20:00:38] <aloo_shu> you can also just let gparted write a fresh mbs partition table onto the drive, danielboston26 , and leave it blank otherwise, then insert it under windoze and let it do the rest
2342[20:00:53] <aloo_shu> *mbr partition table
2343[20:00:57] <danielboston26> aloo_shu, the issue is fixed stop
2344[20:01:03] <aloo_shu> ah
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2346[20:01:09] <bites> you don't get one without the other on debian.
2347[20:01:20] <bites> if you have the gpg2 binary you also have the gpg binary.
2348[20:01:48] <danielboston26> gpg --version says gpg 2.2.11
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2350[20:01:57] <hruske> yeah, unfortunately the server is still ubuntu xenial so that's always a bit more tricky I guess
2351[20:02:09] <bites> danielboston26: yes.
2352[20:02:16] <danielboston26> maybe it uses some libraries from 1
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2354[20:02:26] <bites> it has different defaults i think.
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2356[20:02:46] <bites> i never said gpg version 1.
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2362[20:04:07] <shtrb> What is the correct way to prevent automatic package list update (/lib/systemd/system/apt-daily-upgrade.timer is installed on apt upgrade) am I only left with creating a file that will have APT::Periodic::Enable "0"; as the only option ?
2363[20:04:09] <simpledat> Do someone of you use virtualbox without vt-x enabled in bios?
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2367[20:07:11] <DammitJim> can I run fsck /dev/sda1 while a server is running? are there problems with that?
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2370[20:10:06] <SwedeMike> DammitJim: you should not fsck a read-write mounted filesystem.
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2373[20:10:57] <DammitJim> ty
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2379[20:12:41] <BitShack> idk if this is done on purpose or not, but you cannot install Debian on virtualbox
2380[20:13:10] <bites> i beg to differ.
2381[20:13:41] <BitShack> must be something with this guys system then
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2383[20:14:01] <bites> which installer image, which version of vb?
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2385[20:14:56] <simpledat> Hi
2386[20:15:09] <cybrNaut> why is uuencode gone from debian? Is mpack supposed to replace it?
2387[20:15:38] <simpledat> Do I install debian on virtualbox without vt-x?
2388[20:15:39] <BitShack> bites, ask simpledat
2389[20:15:47] <BitShack> oh, there he is
2390[20:15:56] <simpledat> Can I install
2391[20:16:19] <bites> ,file bin/uuencode
2392[20:16:24] <judd> Search for bin/uuencode in stretch/amd64: sharutils: usr/bin/uuencode
2393[20:16:36] <bites> cybrNaut: the one in the shareutils package?
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2396[20:17:51] <bites> simpledat: if you don't have the virtualisation extensions you will need the 32 bit image.
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2399[20:18:03] <cybrNaut> ah
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2401[20:18:39] <simpledat> bites: yeah, Im trying to install debian 32 bit on virtualbox. But after I hit "Graphic install" I getting black screen..
2402[20:18:53] <bites> which version of virtualbox?
2403[20:19:03] <bites> and did you try the text install?
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2405[20:19:29] <simpledat> bites: 5.2.22, yes
2406[20:19:35] <simpledat> same there, black screen
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2417[20:23:32] <bites> simpledat: under settings - display make sure 3d acceleration is disabled.
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2419[20:23:59] <simpledat> bites: It is disabled
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2422[20:24:28] <bites> don't really know what else to try.
2423[20:24:33] <danielboston26> my gpg keys are missing
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2425[20:24:53] <danielboston26> where on debian are they stored both seahorse and gpa don't show them
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2431[20:26:07] <bites> for gpg in ~/.gnupg
2432[20:27:26] <danielboston26> odd its there
2433[20:27:34] <danielboston26> but both seahorse and gpa don't see them
2434[20:27:41] <danielboston26> think ive found a bug
2435[20:27:50] <bites> are you running gpg as root?
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2437[20:28:25] <danielboston26> opps
2438[20:28:26] <danielboston26> lol
2439[20:28:26] <bites> it will use the directory in your current user's home.
2440[20:28:29] <danielboston26> forgot about that
2441[20:28:42] <danielboston26> haha
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2443[20:30:02] <hansol> how to add replaced-url
2444[20:30:25] <greycat> does it have instructions?
2445[20:30:52] <jhutchins_wk> hansol: Is that an Ubuntu PPA?
2446[20:31:02] <hansol> Debian also
2447[20:31:10] <greycat> it's that god damned PHP thing
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2449[20:31:29] <greycat> "my PHP isn't new enough, it needs to be 0.1 higher"
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2452[20:31:59] <watchcat> is there some kind of guide about how to keep your private keys safe but still available when you need them?
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2454[20:32:27] <shtrb> how can I know what could spawn Chrome_IOThread (need to see who should I report for Chrome_IOThread[3130]: segfault at ffffffffffffffff ip 00007fbc65d0fd3f sp 00007fbc127f7930 error 5 in libgcc_s.so.1 ? )
2455[20:32:30] <hansol> how to add repo ?
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2457[20:33:00] <shtrb> hansol add a line in /etc/apt/source.list
2458[20:33:01] <okdana> replaced-url
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2461[20:33:27] <PocketCalculator> replaced-url
2462[20:33:37] <PocketCalculator> oh, you beat me to it
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2466[20:34:38] <hansol> deb replaced-url
2467[20:34:39] <BitShack> oof
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2473[20:36:15] <hansol> ??
2474[20:36:38] <okdana> click the link we pasted
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2486[20:42:05] <hansol> if [ "$(whoami)" != "root" ]; then
2487[20:42:05] <hansol> SUDO=sudo
2488[20:42:05] <hansol> fi
2489[20:42:20] <hansol> where have insert ?
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2496[20:44:16] <simpledat> Hi is there any risk to exposing any sensitive information by sharing the vbox.log (virtualbox)?
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2501[20:47:53] <okdana> hansol: just copy and paste the whole file into bash
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2505[20:48:53] <shtrb> simpledat, yes
2506[20:49:58] <simpledat> shtrb: What information?
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2514[20:53:23] <d3c0> !hi
2515[20:53:23] <dpkg> hello, d3c0
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2518[20:53:43] <d3c0> I need install : Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet (rev c1), how can I do this ?
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2520[20:54:08] <greycat> !ar8152
2521[20:54:08] <dpkg> The Atheros AR8152 Fast Ethernet controller (v1.1: PCI ID 1969:2060; v2.0: PCI ID 1969:2062) is supported by the <atl1c> driver in Debian linux-image packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-28 (bug #599771).
2522[20:54:20] <greycat> !atl1c
2523[20:54:20] <dpkg> atl1c is a Linux kernel driver supporting Atheros AR8131 Gigabit Ethernet (PCI ID 1969:1063) and AR8132 Fast Ethernet (PCI ID 1969:1062) controllers. The driver was introduced at Linux 2.6.29 and is part of Debian Linux kenels since the <5.0.5> point release. It does not require firmware from userspace. See also <ar8151>, <ar8152>.
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2529[20:56:55] <d3c0> I changed the pci card on my laptop, now I need to re-install the Qualcomm Atheros AR8152
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2531[20:57:20] <d3c0> is not being detected
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2541[21:00:27] <ghormoon> hi, I've got an issue with one particular wifi, that if there's some load (images on website sometines are enough :)), the ping will skyrocket (sometimes completely kill the wifi and will not recover), doesn't respond for some time and then goes in "batch" with like 30s, 29s, 28s, etc to recover. I've tried pinging from phone and at those peaks ping goes up, but like from 20ms to 100ms or so, any ideas what to try? i've never had this issue on another
2542[21:00:28] <ghormoon> wifi, so it's some combination of the AP and laptop (3a:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 24fd (rev 78), driver iwlwifi)
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2549[21:04:49] <d3c0> ok this is the complete scenario: - I changed the pci card on my laptop, now I need to re-install the Qualcomm Atheros AR8152?. lspci: Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet (rev c1). is not necessary reinstall this, because it is already in kernel?, so is no detecting
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2555[21:07:44] <hansol> how to uninstal apache2 completly ? or reinstall it from new again
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2559[21:09:42] <EdePopede> hansol: apt-get purge $packagelist (you should purge ALL packages, afaik it doesn't automatically happen for dependencies)
2560[21:09:55] <ghormoon> I've joust found iwlwifi 0000:3a:00.0: Queue 2 stuck for 10000 ms.
2561[21:09:57] <ghormoon> and googled some clised (wintfix) bugs on fedora as they were old :(
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2566[21:13:38] <buu> How do I let a regular user create a tun/tap device?
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2584[21:30:17] <__m4ch1n3__> ghormoon, wavemon could help monitor package lose continuously, which could be the issiue in your case
2585[21:31:02] <__m4ch1n3__> ghormoon, do you own a external/usb adapter?
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2588[21:31:37] <__m4ch1n3__> package lose due noisy enviroment/bad connection quality
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2591[21:32:39] <__m4ch1n3__> if you use a external usb adapter you could use airodump-ng which is part of aircrack-ng to bring your wlan adapter in optimal postion
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2594[21:34:24] <__m4ch1n3__> and get an overwiev which channels are mostly used in your hood to select the right channel
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2596[21:34:37] <__m4ch1n3__> to avoid intereferences
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2599[21:35:48] <__m4ch1n3__> there is lot stuff you can try to imrove connection quality over wlan
2600[21:35:57] <__m4ch1n3__> *improve
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2604[21:40:24] <ghormoon> __m4ch1n3__: nope, I;ve just tried backporting firmware-iwlwifi, itstill loads the same file (xxxx-22.uc), but the peaks dropped to 2000ms instead of "untrackable high >30000"
2605[21:40:36] <ghormoon> I can;t change the channel, this is not my device :( I'm on vacation
2606[21:40:43] <ghormoon> nothing external with me expcept mobile phone
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2616[21:47:10] <__m4ch1n3__> ghormoon, is power managment/ power saving for wlan adapter enabled?
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2619[21:47:38] <__m4ch1n3__> check if your connection drops lot packages
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2621[21:48:05] <__m4ch1n3__> moving your laptop few centimeters can have lot impact on quality
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2623[21:48:59] <__m4ch1n3__> btw there are good usb dongles with external antenna for 10$
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2635[21:53:38] <__m4ch1n3__> airodump is the best realtime signalstrength of acesspoint monitoring tool in my opinion. "airmon-ng start wlan0 ; airodump-ng -c<channel> --bssid <bssid of accesspoint> wlan0mon"
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2638[21:54:12] <__m4ch1n3__> you could let it run and find the optimal place for your laptop
2639[21:54:51] <__m4ch1n3__> bssid == mac address
2640[21:56:15] <__m4ch1n3__> but the issue could be the accesspoint/router that cuses packet drops on the wire site of connection, then there is nothing you can do if you have no access to ap
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2650[22:00:22] <simpledat> Hi is there any security risk by having vt-x enabled in bios?
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2654[22:03:02] <towo`> simpledat, no
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2656[22:04:29] <__m4ch1n3__> hmm sakura task pannel icon randomly starts permanently to blink any idea why?
2657[22:04:48] <__m4ch1n3__> or how to disable it?
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2673[22:16:19] <at0m> towo`, simpledat isn't much of spectre mitigated by disabling virutalization?
2674[22:16:37] <at0m> *virtualization even
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2677[22:17:21] <simpledat> towo`: What about? replaced-url
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2679[22:17:43] <simpledat> Blue Pill is the codename for a rootkit based on x86 virtualization. Blue Pill originally required AMD-V (Pacifica) virtualization support, but was later ported to support Intel VT-x (Vanderpool) as well.
2680[22:18:16] <ghormoon> ok, but for vpn it didn't help much, but at least since the firmware upgrade it doesn't crash. I need to setuo another endpoint on udp (this is mikrotik, can't o openvpn in tcp), should get better performance than tcp vpn
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2683[22:18:50] <towo`> simpledat, you should really disconnect all your network connections and shutdown all your computers, smartphone, smart-tv and so on
2684[22:19:03] <at0m> yea that'll help
2685[22:19:09] <simpledat> towo`: How come?
2686[22:19:12] <simpledat> :D
2687[22:20:21] <bites> hyper-threading was the one with spectre worries.
2688[22:20:21] <simpledat> towo`: Because Im intrested in security? :)
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2695[22:22:20] <at0m> simpledat: then maybe better ##security
2696[22:22:41] <simpledat> at0m: true
2697[22:22:43] <at0m> simpledat: i'm sure more people there know about this specifically
2698[22:22:48] <simpledat> thanks
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2700[22:23:39] <glaucom> hii all good morning!!!
2701[22:23:51] <glaucom> Uploaded file: replaced-url
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2703[22:24:04] <glaucom> i need open openoffice by php :(
2704[22:24:07] <glaucom> any help me ?
2705[22:24:42] <glaucom> but if in lxterminal php index.php >>> open works
2706[22:25:10] <greycat> Dude, we gave you a whole strategy yesterday. Now you're back to the nonsense you STARTED with before the entire discussion.
2707[22:25:38] <glaucom> Uploaded file: replaced-url
2708[22:25:49] <greycat> And still posting images for some reason.
2709[22:25:58] <greycat> You started COMPLETELY over. You've learned nothing.
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2712[22:27:12] <greycat> For everyone else, his GOAL is for users to upload powerpoint files to his web server which is connected to a physical display where the users can see it. He wants each uploaded powerpoint file to trigger the killing of the existing libreoffice program and the starting of a new one to show the new powerpoint file.
2713[22:27:34] <Phlunk3> lol
2714[22:28:05] <greycat> The solution we gave: have the web server upload the files to a specific diretory (write to a temp file and mv it). Have a script running as the user who started X, using incron or inotify to discover the new files, kill libreoffice, and start the new one.
2715[22:28:12] <Ether_Man> I fail to see where open office even comes into that :)
2716[22:28:27] <greycat> Why he's back here now starting from scratch, I have *no* clue.
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2720[22:29:55] <glaucom> tanks for translate this greycat
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2722[22:30:28] <glaucom> icron or inotify same results
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2731[22:35:50] <noln> is it an option to click the menu File >> Reload? It would update with the new uploaded presentation, but it requires manual coordination with the uploader
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2737[22:37:05] <noln> the new files would be mv'ed to the same name, overwriting it
2738[22:37:37] <glaucom> reload and kill is next step..
2739[22:37:44] <glaucom> first i need open lol
2740[22:37:58] <glaucom> my inglish is very bad sorry
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2747[22:40:09] <noln> no, don't kill. Create empty file target.odp. Start LibreOffice target.odp. Webserver uploads and overwrites target.odp. Then click Reload.
2748[22:40:56] <greycat> Did he confirm that there *is* a human operator who can be employed to click this Reload button on demand?
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2750[22:41:08] <greycat> Or is there a programmatic way to signal a running LO process to reload?
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2753[22:42:15] <glaucom> i need only open in server libreoffice if i go replaced-url
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2757[22:43:24] <noln> ok that answers no to "is it an option?"
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2761[22:43:36] <EdePopede> glaucom: i suppose it is possible to open a new file in a running instance? if so, it is possible to also close it? if you don't *want* or *need* a kill for your office, maybe this would be a method? at least you'd get rid of restart times
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2764[22:44:38] <glaucom> on moment i need acess in other computer replaced-url
2765[22:45:05] <EdePopede> glaucom: and your screenshots show office running from root shell, is this correct?
2766[22:45:21] <glaucom> see this:
2767[22:45:33] * EdePopede looking at glaucom's text
2768[22:45:53] <greycat> So he continues to ignore EVERYTHING we told him yesterday. Lovely.
2769[22:45:55] <blackflow> oh the question is here too.
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2771[22:46:19] <glaucom> i not undertand lol
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2775[22:46:56] <ctcx> Does Debian minimum install not include Selinux?
2776[22:47:12] <greycat> Debian install does not include selinux, "minimum" is not a concept.
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2778[22:47:22] <greycat> This is not Ubuntu.
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2782[22:48:28] <ctcx> Ah sorry, I thought Selinux was a standard in all distros...
2783[22:48:34] <greycat> *snort*
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2785[22:48:42] <greycat> why on earth did you think such a thing
2786[22:48:56] <Ether_Man> Doesn't OO/LO have a built in refresh upon file change option? Or not for Impress?
2787[22:49:16] <EdePopede> hm. nice trick.
2788[22:49:34] <ctcx> ...
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2790[22:49:49] <greycat> !selinux
2791[22:49:49] <dpkg> Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: replaced-url
2792[22:49:50] <glaucom> Uploaded file: replaced-url
2793[22:49:59] <ctcx> Then, if I may switch the question... in what cases would one normally install Selinux?
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2797[22:50:24] <greycat> 11:24 jelly> tw: so YOU're the one of three people actually using selinux on Debian!
2798[22:51:19] <ctcx> greycat: I'm at ignorance right now. Is Selinux actually frowned at here?
2799[22:51:20] <tw> Minimal does not include selinux.
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2804[22:51:56] <greycat> Nobody uses it.
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2806[22:52:02] <greycat> except apparently this tw person
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2808[22:52:18] <tw> I think the full desktop environment pulls in apparmor, but that might just be buster.
2809[22:52:22] <Ether_Man> Plenty of people use it. Most however, not by choice :)
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2815[22:53:24] <EdePopede> glaucom: the screenshot shows nothing new. run OO as the desktop user, upload the file, rename/move it, let inotify tell OO that something new is there (or do what Ether_Man supposed) and it should work
2816[22:54:14] <ctcx> Or could certainly depend on distro...
2817[22:54:21] <greycat> There's a reason I /ignore PHP users in #bash. I should just do that here too and save myself the continuing grief.
2818[22:54:21] <glaucom> in shell not open libreoffic
2819[22:54:25] <glaucom> any shell
2820[22:55:01] <EdePopede> did you try it manually? like typing the start command, but *not as root* in the terminal?
2821[22:55:14] <glaucom> start oks
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2823[22:55:28] <glaucom> and php scrpt.php (open ok libreoffice)
2824[22:55:34] <glaucom> but , apache not
2825[22:55:34] <EdePopede> as the user who.. stooooooooop
2826[22:55:41] <EdePopede> every step for it alone
2827[22:55:52] <EdePopede> so you're logged in in X, right?
2828[22:55:56] <EdePopede> normal user account?
2829[22:56:00] <glaucom> yes, a normal user.
2830[22:56:23] <glaucom> normal user, and root user, i open normaly libreoffice from lxterminal.
2831[22:56:27] <EdePopede> and if you open a terminal as another user (sudo stuff), can you start OO from it?
2832[22:56:32] <EdePopede> sure
2833[22:56:45] <glaucom> sudo no works in php script.
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2835[22:56:57] <EdePopede> logged in user => owns the system at that point in time. root => has every right anyway
2836[22:57:04] <EdePopede> <EdePopede> every step for it alone <---
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2838[22:57:40] <glaucom> EdePopede: with sudo on script.php :
2839[22:57:45] <glaucom> Uploaded file: replaced-url
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2841[22:58:06] <EdePopede> hehe i remember this
2842[22:58:21] <greycat> There is ZERO reason for sudo to be introduced into this.
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2845[22:58:51] <greycat> The web server just needs to write files to a specific directory. The X11-starting user just needs to be able to read them. That is all. No sudo.
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2847[22:58:51] <EdePopede> greycat. i suspect missing rights of the webuser to open gui programs
2848[22:59:03] <greycat> THE WEB USER SHOULD NOT BE OPENING A GUI PROGRAM. PERIOD.
2849[22:59:10] <glaucom> yeah
2850[22:59:12] <EdePopede> and in his shots he starts them from a root shell
2851[22:59:20] <EdePopede> what of course works....
2852[22:59:25] <greycat> Because he is not listening to ANYTHING we say.
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2854[22:59:57] <EdePopede> as i told him twice to open OO as a user not owning X...
2855[22:59:57] <glaucom> I had managed to make it work like this, then nothing stopped and I had to format.
2856[23:00:13] <blackflow> jackie-chan-meme.jpg
2857[23:00:38] <EdePopede> took some time until i found out about script
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2861[23:01:13] <glaucom> EdePopede: understand now ?
2862[23:01:26] <blackflow> what's the tl;dr here? wants a (replaced-url
2863[23:01:45] <EdePopede> blackflow: that's how i read it
2864[23:01:48] <greycat> (repeat) For everyone else, his GOAL is for users to upload powerpoint files to his web server which is connected to a physical display where the users can see it. He wants each uploaded powerpoint file to trigger the killing of the existing libreoffice program and the starting of a new one to show the new powerpoint file.
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2866[23:01:59] <bites> how about this? replaced-url
2867[23:02:01] <EdePopede> and it has to open/restart whenever a new file is uploaded
2868[23:02:31] <blackflow> sounds like a job for a short php/python/perl inotify based script that takes an upload and does the work, outside of php's process.
2869[23:02:38] <glaucom> Uploaded file: replaced-url
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2871[23:02:57] <greycat> blackflow: and we proposed all of this YESTERDAY.
2872[23:03:03] <blackflow> makes sense.
2873[23:03:31] <greycat> karlpinc actually made the first proposal along this path, and then we added to it.
2874[23:03:51] <glaucom> blackflow 20:01:26
2875[23:04:00] <glaucom> yes i beleve this
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2880[23:05:09] <EdePopede> btw, for another local user i used > xhost +si:localuser:$user
2881[23:05:17] <greycat> *shudder*
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2884[23:05:56] <blackflow> glaucom: privilege separation, you need an separate program (that can run as a systemd service) outside of your php web service that does that. none of which is debian-specific issue I guess, so ##php or #<language-of-choice> would be more suitable on how exactly to achieve this. I'd start by googing on inotify.
2885[23:06:23] <glaucom> php send to debian, debian send to php, php send to ubuntu, and send to program
2886[23:06:25] <glaucom> uhehuuhe
2887[23:06:27] <greycat> systemd is absolutely not *necessary* for this, but if it can be used as a replacement for inotify/incron/FAM/whatever, then sure, whatever
2888[23:06:45] <greycat> ... to ... ubuntu
2889[23:06:47] <greycat> *plonk*
2890[23:06:52] <greycat> Way overdue.
2891[23:07:01] <glaucom> lol
2892[23:07:32] <glaucom> never a simple exe ('libreoffice') took me so long !! lol
2893[23:07:53] <blackflow> well you need a process that monitors for uploads and when one appears, sends a sigTERM to current libreoffice PID, starts a new one (As the user lgged into DE/WM), remembers PID, that's why I mention systemd (process manager)
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2895[23:08:07] <greycat> blackflow: a simple bash script can do that.
2896[23:08:12] <greycat> hell, even sh
2897[23:08:14] <EdePopede> starting OO as the desktop user may be the point
2898[23:08:27] <blackflow> you _can_ do all this from the webservice/PHP but that thing runs (I assume) in a rather constricted fpm context and I wouldn't have LibreOffice child of that.
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2900[23:08:50] <blackflow> greycat: yes it can but then you're doing everything as children of the php web request. I wouldn't do that.
2901[23:09:43] <blackflow> unless you mean starting a shell script from rc.local that keeps running int he background
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2903[23:10:16] <greycat> blackflow: no! NO NO NO! I've been saying ALL ALONG that the web server only writes the files to the directory. A separate script running as the user who started X11 monitors the directory for "new" files and restarts LO.
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2905[23:10:41] <blackflow> right, so we're on the same page. oh you mean the user would start the shell in a.... what... a terminal, say?
2906[23:10:44] <glaucom> @@
2907[23:10:55] <greycat> Sure, or from ~/.xsession or whatever.
2908[23:10:57] <EdePopede> at the moment when the file is in place, apache/php is out
2909[23:11:12] <blackflow> greycat: yeah in that context no "service" is needed.
2910[23:11:17] <glaucom> it's easier to put vnc and make the person remote access and put the powerpoint if it's crazy.
2911[23:11:31] <greycat> The file-uploader is the hardest piece. Everything else is fairly easy.
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2915[23:12:02] <glaucom> file uploader is ok
2916[23:12:09] <glaucom> drag and drop uploader
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2919[23:13:12] <EdePopede> hate these things. can't get them to work with mc
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2982[23:54:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1436
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2989[23:57:42] <glaucom> hi all
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2991[23:58:04] <glaucom> sucess! :)
2992[23:58:29] <glaucom> chmod 777 -R /var/replaced-url
2993[23:58:51] <glaucom> and code on php :
2994[23:58:56] <glaucom> Uploaded file: replaced-url
2995[23:59:07] <SerajewelKS> 777 permissions on your webroot is a horrible idea
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