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1 [00:00:16] <annadane> dury, or try #gnome
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4 [00:01:13] <dury> annadane, i appreciate your suggestions, thanks indeed
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10 [00:03:09] <dury> sorry
11 [00:03:32] <dury> need to sleep though
12 [00:03:46] <dury> nite nite channel :-)
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23 [00:09:19] <iflema> =)
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27 [00:14:14] <WoC> Is there a max size for swap in 4.18.0-3 (64 bit) ?
28 [00:15:53] <akk> Back, still no response from owner@bugs.debian.org
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32 [00:18:03] <akk> Aha! There's a List-Unsubscribe: header. I should have looked through the headers first.
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34 [00:19:27] <akk> And it looks like that works.
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38 [00:20:07] <ryouma> the old technologies still work
39 [00:20:15] <ryouma> (better than the new ones)
40 [00:21:00] <iflema> stacking up?
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48 [00:25:36] <nailyk> hello. Is there anyway to prevent Stretch to ask for luks passphrase at boot time (encrypted partition is not / ) . Already tried some /etc/crypttab trick as setting CRYPTDISK* to no.
49 [00:25:44] <nailyk> (it is for a headless server)
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51 [00:26:08] <ryouma> don't mount?
52 [00:26:29] <ryouma> or use a file
53 [00:27:42] <nailyk> I won't put my passphrase on an uncrypted partition. It is a non sens. But yes, I am trying Strecth does not attempt to mount it autmagically as I do not have keyboard on that machine ;)
54 [00:28:50] <nyov> nailyk: add a "noauto" option in fstab, if it's in there. (untested)
55 [00:29:09] <nailyk> it is not into fstab :(
56 [00:29:23] <nailyk> I made that partition for some /backup mountpoints
57 [00:30:30] <watchcat> don't encrypted automount partitions use a different fstab? i forget the name. crypttab or something,
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60 [00:30:55] <nailyk> oh sorry. Yes, I tried to add it into crypttab with the noauto flag
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62 [00:32:49] <watchcat> just comment it out?
63 [00:33:33] <nailyk> I am currently trying a reboot without it
64 [00:34:11] <nailyk> I also tried to remove the module from the /etc/mkinitSomething/module file without success
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66 [00:35:59] <nailyk> no more luck after removing the /etc/crypttab entry
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69 [00:38:17] <watchcat> is it a common folder like /home or something?
70 [00:38:39] <ryouma> for something you don't need you don't need anything in those files. everything you can do with them you can do manually.
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72 [00:39:05] <nailyk> I have an encrypted partitioni for /home & /media/data
73 [00:40:37] <nailyk> ryouma: yes, it is what I am trying to do. But since I formated the partition with luks the system does not boot anymore.
74 [00:40:58] <ryouma> did you take it out of those files completely
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76 [00:41:16] <ryouma> maybe your uuid are wrong
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80 [00:43:20] <nailyk> yes, no file mention thoses partitions
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82 [00:44:07] <nailyk> apt-get install cryptsetup ; reboot -> everything is fine. cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sda4 ; reboot -> no way to connect anymore.
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84 [00:45:25] <ryouma> do boot partitions need labeling as such? perhaps grub is getting its insane indirected loader from there.
85 [00:45:28] <thatpythonguy> if i have to log off my irc client, is there a way to view (external application is fine) what i missed?
86 [00:45:38] <ryouma> thatpythonguy: tehre are bouncers for that
87 [00:46:13] <nailyk> thatpythonguy: you can connect from matrix too. Not really a bouncer however.
88 [00:46:34] <ryouma> i never understood znc configuration so do not use one
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91 [00:47:14] <spacedust> hi
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93 [00:47:28] <spacedust> i updated recently my system and now i cant login via sddm login manager
94 [00:47:33] <spacedust> sessions is empty :(
95 [00:47:38] <spacedust> i can login via console
96 [00:47:55] <spacedust> how could i fix this issue ?
97 [00:48:09] <spacedust> i have no idea what could had broked it , i updated many many things
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112 [01:00:46] <makeway> Hey, I'm really looking for some help getting vsync working here. I'm running stretch with xfce on an Acer laptop with a Nvidia GT 730M. I'm gonna explain what I've tried so far.
113 [01:01:08] <spacedust> i see no session in sddm or lightdm or slim login manager , i tried these 3, what could i check for ?
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116 [01:02:13] <makeway> I'm running the 390 drivers from stretch-backports. I have Nvidia Optimus set up based on the instructions in the arch wiki page about it.
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119 [01:03:11] <makeway> I have tried the nvidia-settings options to "ForceCompositionPipeline" and "ForceFullCompositionPipeline" which both seem to be the main recommendations.
120 [01:03:47] <makeway> I have tried compton configured with glx backend and "opengl-swc" vsync
121 [01:04:03] <makeway> I have tried several answers in this thread replaced-url
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125 [01:04:51] <makeway> The first and last things I tried always make it so lightdm never loads.
126 [01:05:00] <spacedust> hahh im missing /usr/bin/startkde ... pfff ... too many changed on my box :) its messed up :)
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128 [01:05:37] <makeway> I have to alt+ctrl+f1 to get to a terminal and reset the changes (whether they were an xorg.conf file or something from that ubuntu thread)
129 [01:05:42] <spacedust> i dont have a startkde anymore ?
130 [01:05:52] <hypn0> why replace the login spacedust
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132 [01:06:10] <makeway> All those messages explain my problem as best I can. I hope someone can help my try some more stuff.
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134 [01:08:02] <spacedust> hypn0: i just tried was thinking that the problem :)
135 [01:08:07] <spacedust> hypn0: i change it back now to sddm
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137 [01:08:47] <spacedust> hypn0: i now see that i have exec /usr/bin/startkde in .xsession of the user i login to
138 [01:08:55] <spacedust> but im missing /usr/bin/startkde :)
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140 [01:09:30] <spacedust> hypn0: im also missing /usr/share/xsessions
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142 [01:09:37] <spacedust> hypn0: could you tell me how to start kde ?
143 [01:10:08] <hypn0> use openbox :-) no
144 [01:10:15] <spacedust> pfff
145 [01:10:19] <hypn0> startkde?
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147 [01:10:27] <spacedust> i dont have startkde command !
148 [01:10:35] <spacedust> missing that
149 [01:10:56] <spacedust> i will admit im on unstable :)
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151 [01:11:07] <hypn0> kdestart?
152 [01:11:11] <spacedust> but i just wanted to migrate my system
153 [01:11:19] <spacedust> nope no kdestart neither
154 [01:11:27] <spacedust> and foolishly did an update :(
155 [01:11:35] <spacedust> i need stuff from kde and from X
156 [01:11:37] <hypn0> replaced-url
157 [01:11:43] <aaii> Hi, I have problem now in choosing laptop for programming and Data Science & ML and using GNU/Linux Debian. I cant choice between Dell xps 13 developer edition running Ubuntu and Thinkpad T470
158 [01:11:43] <spacedust> im on terminal :)
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161 [01:12:14] <spacedust> aaii: xps laptops are nice last time i seen , not sure about that t470
162 [01:12:20] <spacedust> hypn0: what does it say ?
163 [01:12:42] <spacedust> i could open it in links if i could copy the link
164 [01:13:15] <hypn0> a lot of stuff abt sddm
165 [01:13:16] <aaii> spacedust, I think they are too thin and maybe i break xps and really i hate ubuntu :D
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167 [01:13:49] <spacedust> hypn0: reading it, but my problem is not related to sddm
168 [01:14:03] <awal1> dpkg: asleep?
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170 [01:14:03] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, asleep is some wacko Free Software zelot.
171 [01:14:04] <crippledmonk> I'm using a fully rugged older GD8000 with stretch. touch and gps work also
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173 [01:14:28] <makeway> What are some of the specific things you're comparing between the two?
174 [01:14:34] <makeway> LikeSOrry
175 [01:14:34] <hypn0> The first thing that comes to mind is that the initial display manager theme used when nobody is logged in ?
176 [01:14:41] <makeway> Oops, that as late
177 [01:14:45] <dtux> does anyone know if there is an RFP/ITP for docker-ce?
178 [01:14:48] <spacedust> aaii: then pick the other one ? :)
179 [01:15:44] <hypn0> My issue lay in sddm.service - it wasn't enabled. After enabling it, sddm does what it suppose to - starts its log in screen on startup. Pretty simple?
180 [01:16:17] <makeway> aaii: I can definitely vouch for the T470
181 [01:16:26] <makeway> aaii: What are some of the specific things you're comparing?
182 [01:16:28] <aaii> spacedust, i dont know really which one, for that i asked. But XPS have quad core and T470 have 2 core
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184 [01:17:46] <makeway> aaii: I could have sworn the T470 had a model with quad core.
185 [01:17:50] <makeway> The t480 does at least.
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188 [01:18:26] <aaii> makeway, T470 have 4 core?
189 [01:18:49] <makeway> I thought there was a configuration that had it, yeah. Idk, I'm probably wrong if you couldn't find one though.
190 [01:18:52] <spacedust> hypn0: no im missing the startkde file ! and the /usr/share/xsessions directory
191 [01:19:35] <aaii> makeway, replaced-url
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194 [01:20:18] <makeway> Which xps 13 release are you comparing?
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196 [01:20:23] <makeway> Is there a large price difference?
197 [01:21:07] <aaii> makeway, this : replaced-url
198 [01:21:15] <aaii> sorry :|
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202 [01:22:47] <makeway> I personally own a t480 and I've loved it since I bought it. That said, that xps 13 looks like the better option of those two.
203 [01:23:00] <makeway> I really like thinkpad's quality, but I've only heard good things about the recent xps's as well
204 [01:23:07] <makeway> So yeah, that's all I know aaii
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206 [01:24:11] <makeway> replaced-url
207 [01:24:12] <makeway> There's this
208 [01:24:15] <aaii> makeway, so between this xps and t470 i should buy which one? :D
209 [01:24:28] <makeway> Between those two, I'd recommend the xps
210 [01:25:29] <makeway> I don't have that much experience, but I spent a good few months researching laptops before choosing my thinkpad. One of the xps's was pretty much the only other option when I got done with all the comparison
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223 [01:30:04] <spacedust> so how can i fix missing /usr/bin/startkde ?
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225 [01:31:01] <Sveta> this is not a part of any package according to replaced-url
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230 [01:33:07] <spacedust> can anyone paste startkde ?
231 [01:33:26] <spacedust> Sveta: wow
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233 [01:33:42] <spacedust> Sveta: i remember doing something to make it work last time :)
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235 [01:33:52] <spacedust> Sveta: probably heavily modded :)
236 [01:34:02] <spacedust> Sveta: so how do i go about starting kde then ?
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238 [01:34:58] <akk> apt-file search startkde says it's in plasma-workspace
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240 [01:35:17] <spacedust> akk: can i reinstall that ?
241 [01:35:29] <akk> spacedust: Why not?
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243 [01:35:46] <spacedust> akk: huhhh apt remove plasma-workspace no such package
244 [01:35:49] <spacedust> niiiice :)
245 [01:36:11] <akk> Oh, I'm on testing, stable might be different.
246 [01:36:12] <spacedust> 53 new installed for apt install plasma-workspace :) lol nicely upgraded it ...
247 [01:36:26] <spacedust> im on unstable ...
248 [01:36:37] <spacedust> want to migrate away just need my stuff from plasma :)
249 [01:37:01] <spacedust> apparently im missing plasma-workspace and 53 packages
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252 [01:37:34] <spacedust> okay well i installed it and what do you know startkde is ther e:)
253 [01:37:42] <akk> That's normal for KDE stuff. Every time I think about trying some KDE app it turns out I'd need to install 87 dependencies.
254 [01:37:58] <spacedust> but i had working kde when i upgraded :)
255 [01:38:01] <akk> It's too bad since some of their apps are apparently pretty good.
256 [01:38:08] <spacedust> i did do a blind autoremove
257 [01:38:19] <spacedust> somehow plasma-workspace got removed apparently
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259 [01:39:51] <spacedust> well now started plasma but nothing happening , i got a message All shell packages missing or something
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262 [01:40:31] <spacedust> great i have a nonworking system :(
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266 [01:41:01] <amikot40> Hello Everyone :)
267 [01:41:07] <spacedust> hmm cant start chromium
268 [01:41:09] <makeway> Hey amikot40!
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270 [01:42:17] <spacedust> well , maybe lxde will help :)
271 [01:42:39] <amikot40> I know that this is not exactly proper channel for my question, but I have debian on my PC, and know that this comunity has more knowledge than any other. So ...
272 [01:42:40] <ph0> spacedust
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274 [01:42:52] <ph0> have you tried aptitude install ~t^kde-desktop$
275 [01:42:57] <spacedust> no
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278 [01:43:59] <spacedust> ph0: i have a kali + some other repos + unstable + frankendeb :) just need some stuff from this system and need to install a new one this one got messed up hard now :) its not my only OS but i need stuff from it :)
279 [01:44:13] <amikot40> I did set zerotier-one up on my linux router (DD-WRT). It is running as should - apart of one thing. I can ping other machines from routers ash, but I cant ping the router from other machines. Not answering on any port. On desktop it works as should, but on router it doesnt.
280 [01:44:15] <spacedust> ph0: that command : 0 packages upgraded, 293 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
281 [01:44:31] <spacedust> Need to get 134 MB/146 MB of archives. After unpacking 586 MB will be used.
282 [01:44:38] <spacedust> guess i autoremoved kde :)
283 [01:45:13] <amikot40> So basically my qustion is - how to diagnose what is blocking communication between zerotier network interface and router ? Maybe I should set a link or firewall rule ?
284 [01:45:16] <ph0> that installs the task kde-desktop so, it should be complete when it finished with no problems
285 [01:45:46] <amikot40> Is there way to trace, why signal is not comming trough ?
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288 [01:46:10] <spacedust> ph0: thanks im running it , lets see ill let you know, meanwhile i also installed lxde, but even if it works, hope so, i will get stuff i need and migrate to debian stable :)
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290 [01:47:50] <amikot40> Im asking here because people on zerotier-one and dd-wrt channels seems to know nothing. And people on general #linux channel are not very interested to talk about technical issues.
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292 [01:48:28] <makeway> Hope someone who knows what you're up to can talk to you about it amikot40.
293 [01:48:29] <ph0> spacedust, maybe you encounter less problems doing dpkg --get-selections
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295 [01:48:42] <ph0> dpkg --get-selections > installed_packages
296 [01:48:42] * dpkg selects ph0's ultra-s3kr3t collection
297 [01:49:08] <ph0> ant later dpkg --set-selections < installed_packages from a fresh install
298 [01:49:16] <ph0> but pff , good luck xD
299 [01:51:04] <spacedust> ph0: thank you very much system back as it was :) cool thanks thanks
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302 [01:53:24] <amikot40> makeway, hopefully - thing is that since week im trying to google solution, but there is nothing realy helpful, and to be honest, I even can't invent good query to google, as problem is complicated.
303 [01:54:03] <ph0> amikot40
304 [01:54:28] <amikot40> zerotier-one support is blaming dd-wrt guys, and sending to them, and vice versa - dd-wrt people say that its zerotier-one issue :D
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306 [01:54:41] <ph0> have you checked what happens on layer2 between 2 machines?
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308 [01:55:18] <ph0> with arping
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335 [02:14:00] <nyov> amikot40: you can't ping the dd-wrt router? is icmp firewalled?
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339 [02:14:53] <nyov> if the router has a firewall and it drops icmp ping packets, you could try to tcp-ping
340 [02:15:22] <amikot40> I switched the firewall off and now I can ping
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344 [02:15:41] <amikot40> but what to do now ?
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346 [02:16:36] <amikot40> If firewall doesn't prevent LAN from PINGing, but doing this with my VPN - isn't that mean its treated as WAN network ?
347 [02:16:42] <nyov> depends on what you want to do. if the interface is facing the internet, I'd keep discarding the icmp packets. (paranoia)
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349 [02:17:26] <amikot40> nyov: this is my VPN - I want to have access to my samba server (running on router) trough it.
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352 [02:17:40] <amikot40> I cant do it when firewall block it
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355 [02:18:15] <nyov> then fix the firewall? :D
356 [02:18:18] <amikot40> I want to move this interface to "trusted zone".
357 [02:18:37] <amikot40> question how :D
358 [02:18:39] <amikot40> ?
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360 [02:19:21] <nyov> replaced-url
361 [02:19:42] <nyov> likely it's plain iptables. no idea if it has a useable web-frontend
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363 [02:21:30] <amikot40> its not iptables that is blocking this - its SPI firewall
364 [02:21:44] <amikot40> I quess thats not the same that IPTables :D
365 [02:21:51] <thatpythonguy> when i run a command, like 'pulseaudio', how do i see what file that command is actually executing?
366 [02:21:57] <amikot40> IPTables are still on in here
367 [02:22:21] <nyov> thatpythonguy: which $command
368 [02:22:35] <amikot40> thatpythonguy, you may use top or htop or any other process manager
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371 [02:22:53] <thatpythonguy> 'which' is exactly what i was looking for, thank you
372 [02:22:54] <nyov> e.g. "file `which pulseaudio`"
373 [02:23:01] <nyov> np
374 [02:23:11] <amikot40> thats usefull :D
375 [02:23:29] <amikot40> never used that, after 15 years on linux D:
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390 [02:33:09] <amikot40> nyov: question is why zerotier interface is treated by router as WAN not as LAN when its VPN. for me VPN is kind of LAN. Only connected by me clients can be in.
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393 [02:35:42] <nyov> amikot40: I think it's mainly that dd/open-wrt boxes think themselves as internet routers first
394 [02:37:02] <nyov> I flashed dd-wrt on some old wlan AP a decade ago or so and that doesn't have a WAN interface at all, but the web frontend still showed wan options
395 [02:37:13] <amikot40> but its a linux on them, so there should be way to program it from the back ... command line
396 [02:37:35] <nyov> sure. ssh into it and then you can do anything
397 [02:37:52] <amikot40> thats what I'm doing
398 [02:37:58] <amikot40> but how to do it ?
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400 [02:38:08] <ph0> well
401 [02:38:08] <ph0> route and sysctl ip4 forwarding
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403 [02:38:50] <ph0> systemctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=0
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405 [02:39:01] <ph0> systemctl net.ipv6.conf.all.ip_forward=0
406 [02:39:15] <ph0> systemctl net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding=0
407 [02:39:31] <nyov> why
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409 [02:39:48] <ph0> well removeing the routes should be enough
410 [02:39:54] <nyov> and it's sysctl
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412 [02:40:11] <nyov> or is that some systemd version?
413 [02:40:19] <ph0> yes sorry xDDD
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416 [02:40:47] <nyov> well. never know, could have been a systemd variant for doing it. haha
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418 [02:40:57] <ph0> sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=0
419 [02:41:06] <ph0> sysctl net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding=0
420 [02:41:11] <ph0> ;,)
421 [02:41:16] <ph0> too late here XD
422 [02:41:55] <ph0> but
423 [02:42:01] <amikot40> but I doesn't want to touch real WAN ... I just want VPN be visible as LAN and not filtered by firewall
424 [02:43:03] <ph0> well, what i've read
425 [02:43:09] <amikot40> now router is setting VPN as WAN - so it is behind its massive firewalls and who know what else
426 [02:44:17] <ph0> but the thing is
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428 [02:44:24] <ph0> all th eleements should be a zerotier client
429 [02:44:31] <ph0> so when you want to communicate
430 [02:44:36] <ph0> A with B
431 [02:45:04] <ph0> it tries to do a direct link, ifnot it goes to the upper root and search for a link forwarding packages between them
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434 [02:45:56] <ph0> maybe your router is considered a root element and the computer ur trying to make the ping from has another root
435 [02:46:28] <ph0> I promise, ill take a fonera tomorrow and try it xD
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443 [02:50:12] <amikot40> hmm PC that Im using to do test ping is in my work - so its different LAN than my home LAN.
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447 [02:51:45] <amikot40> for me its just annoying - WEB-UI is limiting everything. Specially that some settings are stored somewhere - nobody knows where - not in accessible filesystem.
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457 [02:59:56] <awal1> why 'arp-scan2 list connected devices that 'nast' won't list? :(
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460 [03:01:36] <awal1> why 'arp-scan' lists connected devices with there corresponding mac addresses that 'nast' won't list? :(
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462 [03:02:34] <awal1> "nast -m" vs "arp-scan --interface=wlan0 --localnet"
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471 [03:07:07] <thatpythonguy> what is the best method to install a package from 'stable' on a 'testing' system? apt-pinning?
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516 [03:50:39] <noahmg123> I have a Kali Linux VirtualBox guest that does not have internet access when configured to use a NAT Network
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562 [04:29:05] <adamantium> Hi, is there any easy way to install Adobe's Source Code Pro font?
563 [04:29:58] <adamantium> I never thought i'd join a channel for such a basic thing
564 [04:30:24] <adamantium> And for boasting so many packages, I can't believe I can't find it?
565 [04:32:42] <nyov> how can I sepcify an SSH identity from my ssh agent to send for authentication?
566 [04:33:51] <nyov> like "ssh -i /path/to/id_dsa user@server", but not using a filename but a forwarded agent identity
567 [04:33:58] <nyov> is that possible?
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584 [04:51:18] <SerajewelKS> nyov: why is that necessary?
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586 [04:51:59] <nyov> SerajewelKS: because otherwise I run into "Too many authentication failures" if it tries every key in my (forwarded) agent
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589 [04:54:08] <nyov> now ssh -vv has a nice listing of my agent's keys, like "debug2: key: /home/nyov/.ssh/id_rsa (0x7f3579ab8fb3), agent", but the filename is obviously not available on the remote, and that hexmagic is not accepted as filename
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596 [05:03:03] <nyov> fckin a! i guess i'll need to instance another agent with handpicked keys for that tunnel
597 [05:03:17] <unomystEz> I managed to get grub to disable in text via /etc/default/grub but once the kernel boots it's going into 1024x768 mode, is there a way to force text only?
598 [05:03:26] <unomystEz> s/disable/display/
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604 [05:06:00] <nyov> unomystEz: I think that is "GRUB_TERMINAL=console"
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606 [05:06:40] <unomystEz> nyov: I set that but after boot it's still modesetting into 1024x768
607 [05:06:55] <nyov> using efi?
608 [05:06:58] <unomystEz> GRUB_TERMINAL=console worked for grub just not after loading the kernel
609 [05:07:00] <unomystEz> no
610 [05:07:18] <unomystEz> I'm actually booting in qemu
611 [05:07:18] <nyov> ah, you're in the kernel not in grub anymore
612 [05:07:22] <unomystEz> correct
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614 [05:07:50] <nyov> then it's a kernel thing. get rid of plymouth I think?
615 [05:08:10] <nyov> or do you mean you have a fb text console
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617 [05:09:01] <unomystEz> correct, I believe it's an fb text console
618 [05:09:12] <unomystEz> could be caused by plymouth I suppose
619 [05:09:33] <nyov> so you have something like this replaced-url
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624 [05:10:47] <nyov> anyway I don't know the answer to that
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627 [05:15:13] <unomystEz> ok I got it, was video=vesafb:off for kernel cmdline
628 [05:15:19] <nyov> nice
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635 [05:24:16] <Yorlik> Hello! Anyone here having experience with Kubernetes on stretch? I installed Docker and Kubernetes from the stretch backports and everytime I start the kubelet service after some minutes the server reboots - nothing significant in the logs, no kernel panic, nothing. I am using a xen enabled kernel, since I used to run xen guests, but we want to use containers instead of VMs as much as possible now.
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675 [05:54:12] <lexiyntax> adamantium: replaced-url
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677 [05:54:31] <iodot> is it possible to run the intel graphics driver natively (without kms)
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679 [05:55:17] <iodot> im debugging some thing, and i can't seem to get x working with nomodeset kernel parameter. i even tried adding the i915 module to /etc/modprobe.d/
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872 [09:04:20] <iodot> is there a channel for debian testing related questions?
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875 [09:05:06] <SpeedyG> !testing
876 [09:05:07] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
877 [09:05:11] <SpeedyG> ^ iodot
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879 [09:05:35] <iodot> thanks
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896 [09:13:46] <iodot> can one expect better performance on intel graphics (hd 630) switing to kernel 4.20?
897 [09:13:58] <iodot> switching*
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964 [10:04:36] <ChrisH> Laptop inside Dockingstation with USB connection from Dockingstation to external monitor. USB Keyboard is connected to Monitor. In grub the keyboard is usable and most times during boot-up while entering the keyphrase I need to re-plug the keyboard to get it working. What could I have the keyboard working during keyphrase request without re-plugging? Debian Stretch.
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1037 [10:43:51] <oojacobo_> Can someone please help with using `screen`. This seems to be the most difficult linux daemon I've ever used
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1039 [10:44:13] <oojacoboo> I'm currently getting the error `Must be connected to a terminal.`
1040 [10:44:29] <oojacoboo> I've tried executing the command with `-m -d` as stated all over the net
1041 [10:44:40] <oojacoboo> I've tried using `ssh -t` to get a TTY
1042 [10:45:11] <JustASlacker> why not tmux
1043 [10:45:23] <oojacoboo> is that like screen?
1044 [10:45:28] <JustASlacker> yes, except better
1045 [10:45:32] <oojacoboo> hmm
1046 [10:45:40] <colo-work> it's definitely hipper
1047 [10:45:44] <oojacoboo> ha
1048 [10:45:46] <jelly> oojacoboo: screen is not a daemon at all. What are you trying to achieve?
1049 [10:46:06] <oojacoboo> I just want to execute this command in a screen b/c the internet here in Egypt is shit
1050 [10:46:11] <oojacoboo> and my db import keeps failing
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1053 [10:46:27] <themill> oojacoboo: are you also changing user?
1054 [10:46:32] <oojacoboo> no
1055 [10:46:49] <JustASlacker> if you are logged in, simple typing "screen" should just work
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1057 [10:47:09] <oojacoboo> `screen` just returns back to a prompt
1058 [10:47:11] <oojacoboo> `screen -list` shows nothing
1059 [10:47:12] <jelly> oojacoboo: what's the _exact_ command line you're using?
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1064 [10:47:49] <oojacoboo> screen -dm -x gunzip < db-prepared.sql.gz | mysql -h foo.test.com -u userdude -p dbname
1065 [10:48:12] <oojacoboo> I've tried a variety of flags, so mostly ignore those on screen
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1068 [10:49:13] <jelly> oojacoboo: get rid of -x. quote the whole thing after -dm
1069 [10:49:21] <oojacoboo> okay, testing
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1071 [10:50:01] <jelly> and preferably use a unique session name to figure out which session is running which stuff
1072 [10:50:08] <jelly> $ ssh twilight.nn screen -dmS newsession 'sleep 60'
1073 [10:50:19] <oojacoboo> yea, I removed that bit - had that there
1074 [10:50:32] <oojacoboo> this seems to work but mysql -p requires input
1075 [10:50:45] <oojacoboo> I guess I need to reattach to input
1076 [10:50:47] <JustASlacker> why so complicated
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1078 [10:50:58] <oojacoboo> good question
1079 [10:51:02] <JustASlacker> just open a session with screen, do what you need to do
1080 [10:51:22] <oojacoboo> how do I do that?
1081 [10:51:26] <JustASlacker> that you get a prompt after typing screen is whats supposed to happen
1082 [10:51:29] <oojacoboo> just `screen`?
1083 [10:51:34] <JustASlacker> yes
1084 [10:51:36] <oojacoboo> or `screen -S name`
1085 [10:51:43] <JustASlacker> names are a good idea
1086 [10:51:44] <oojacoboo> hmm
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1091 [10:52:39] <oojacoboo> I see JustASlacker
1092 [10:54:09] <oojacoboo> perfect thanks guys - now I can use PV as well without getting ascii scrolling the terminal in an uncontrollable fashion
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1095 [10:54:44] <oojacoboo> for some reason PV combined with a screen command I was using basically locked my out of the terminal with an endless pile of ascii pouring over like the matric
1096 [10:54:48] <oojacoboo> matrix*
1097 [10:55:17] <oojacoboo> ctrl-c wasn't responsive
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1099 [10:56:02] <oojacoboo> brb, need to pick up some water - don't trust the tap water here :)
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1118 [11:05:28] <oojacoboo> wow, 1.5L ice cold water = 25 cents :)
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1187 [11:43:58] <Fox> nyov: when you'll pay with fresh money
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1217 [11:53:01] <nyov> hmm, perhaps there are still a few more trees to kill before people will pay money for air
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1222 [11:55:22] <n00b-usr> litteraly no trees will be left before people will pay for air, and then they die
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1231 [11:58:10] <jrg> trees don’t make most of the oxygen. sea algae does.
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1251 [12:10:00] <mirazi_heket> hey, im trying to configure freeipa client on debian (manual: replaced-url
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1254 [12:10:17] <mirazi_heket> im on debian 8, will provide additional info/paste on request
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1271 [12:20:44] <jelly> mirazi_heket: using sssd?
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1274 [12:22:33] <mirazi_heket> yes
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1276 [12:23:08] <mirazi_heket> files configured: pam.d (common-auth and common-password), nsswitch.conf, krb5.conf, sssd.conf
1277 [12:23:19] <jelly> add lots of debug to your sssd.conf, restart it, and try to figure out what happens
1278 [12:23:48] <jelly> #sssd channel might help, but be patient
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1280 [12:24:12] <jelly> (tell them versions of ipa stuff, of sssd, your distro and release)
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1286 [12:25:26] <mirazi_heket> thanks, will try
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1553 [14:53:56] <ychaouche> hello #debian
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1559 [14:56:24] <linuxconformer> guys how can i move a website from a running server to a virtual machine?
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1564 [14:59:01] <ychaouche> How do I enable wifi in the network manager ? it seems it is greyed out and can't be enabled : replaced-url
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1569 [15:00:07] <n00b-usr> jrg: nice, warms my heart as a fisherman, lol
1570 [15:00:11] <ychaouche> linuxconformer, I heared some virtualisation software can create a virtual server out of a physical one, I think that was vmware
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1573 [15:00:47] <ychaouche> I think it requires some downtime though.
1574 [15:00:58] <themill> ychaouche: the one you have circled looks like mobile internet not wifi
1575 [15:01:21] <ychaouche> oh
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1577 [15:01:28] <ychaouche> is that the one on the left then ?
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1579 [15:01:44] <ychaouche> they all have a red mark anyway
1580 [15:01:59] <ychaouche> as if they were disabled
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1582 [15:02:31] <n00b-usr> linuxconformer: like a raw copy of OS + website? what distro?
1583 [15:03:07] <n00b-usr> lol, sorry. in #debian..
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1588 [15:05:31] <linuxconformer> n00b-usr: it's a little complicated, it's contained on a server hosting dozens of other websites. Honestly maybe it's not worth doing
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1590 [15:07:03] <themill> ychaouche: is there a hardware button for the device?
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1592 [15:07:17] <ychaouche> themill, it's a PCI card
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1594 [15:07:31] <RoyK> linuxconformer: vmware converter can do that, yes, but obviously, it'll lead to some downtime
1595 [15:07:32] <aurel> hi
1596 [15:07:33] <ychaouche> no switch I can see on the rear of the PC where the antennas are
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1599 [15:07:53] <RoyK> linuxconformer: what sort of machine isthis? often, it's easier to setup a new machine (vm or not) and then move the services over
1600 [15:07:55] <themill> ychaouche: there's still quite often a kill switch
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1602 [15:08:05] <ychaouche> themill, it has a small led light though, but it's off
1603 [15:08:15] <ychaouche> themill, I think it should be green when it's operating, no ?
1604 [15:08:21] <linuxconformer> RoyK: don't have root access to most of the server, only my users's /home/<user> directory and a /replaced-url
1605 [15:08:29] <RoyK> (that is, vmware converter *may* be able to do it, but not for everything)
1606 [15:08:32] <aurel> there is a bug on the "blender" package, shipped on 1. devember, which was already fixed by a new version available in unstable replaced-url
1607 [15:08:45] <aurel> when can i expect that this package version is available in testing?
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1610 [15:08:58] <themill> !rfkill
1611 [15:09:02] <RoyK> linuxconformer: you'll need root access on the server to use vmware converter anyway - just setup a new one and move the services over
1612 [15:09:09] <themill> dselect: rfkill
1613 [15:09:09] <dselect> /dev/rfkill is the Linux rfkill (radio frequency <killswitch>) device interface, available since Linux 2.6.31. It is used to enable and disable wireless networking devices (e.g. wireless LAN, Bluetooth, WiMAX). The rfkill userspace tool for accessing this interface is in the rfkill package. replaced-url
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1617 [15:10:03] <aurel> or since this is broken in testing and fixed in stable,... what is a general rule of thumb how long it takes now
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1621 [15:12:10] <themill> aurel: replaced-url
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1624 [15:13:01] <RoyK> !testing
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1628 [15:13:52] <themill> !ping
1629 [15:13:52] <dpkg_> Yes, themill you are either online or you are not... replaced-url
1630 [15:14:03] <themill> poor thing forgot to identify today
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1634 [15:16:59] <ychaouche> themill, replaced-url
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1638 [15:17:59] <themill> ychaouche: "rfkill list" might be enlightening
1639 [15:18:19] <ychaouche> cool ! a new command to learn :)
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1641 [15:18:41] <themill> (what dselect said earlier)
1642 [15:18:51] <ychaouche> rfkill list is empty
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1644 [15:19:42] <ychaouche> could it be disabled in the bios ?
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1654 [15:23:58] <ychaouche> ah as root
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1657 [15:24:13] <ychaouche> still :(
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1661 [15:25:29] <ychaouche> strace as root : replaced-url
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1663 [15:25:55] <ychaouche> maybe I should reopen the PC and check that the card is well inserted
1664 [15:26:00] <ychaouche> bbl
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1666 [15:26:15] <chmd> Hi! quick question: can I use systemd-networkd in combination with /etc/network/interfaces?
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1671 [15:26:49] <chmd> like, have some interfaces managed by systemd-networkd, others by /etc/network/interfaces
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1673 [15:27:03] <chmd> or will it confuse debian?
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1761 [16:11:49] <MrCircuitMatt> hello
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1763 [16:13:09] <MrCircuitMatt> on stretch, if I have auto <iface> and iface <iface> inet dhcp, and I unplug the cable and plug it back in, is it down to try to engage the DHCP client? what about allow-hotplug?
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1765 [16:13:58] <MrCircuitMatt> s/down/going to/. Alternative to that would be to just keep the interface configuration until lease renewal is due (i.e. act as if nothing happened)
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1815 [16:37:05] <rugshucker> I use Stretch across all my computers. Got an issue with the sources of one of them. I checked the sources list against this one and it's identical. When I try to update that one I get an error the old key not found in keyring. Like there was a typo in the sources even though clearly there isn't. I'd really like to get this fixed so I can update this machine. Not sure how long this has been an issue. I guess I have been ignoring it, so there is no
1816 [16:37:06] <rugshucker> telling when this machine was last properly updated.
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1818 [16:37:40] <joepublic> will you pastebin the error?
1819 [16:37:48] <rugshucker> Sure
1820 [16:37:58] <ChrisH> include the command executed
1821 [16:38:08] <rugshucker> apt update
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1826 [16:40:29] <rugshucker> paste.debian.net/1054182/
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1829 [16:41:26] <ChrisH> rugshucker: Hint: The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key.
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1831 [16:41:34] <joepublic> What does ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg say?
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1833 [16:41:51] <a417> wtf sry
1834 [16:42:35] <rugshucker> That is not my uname though
1835 [16:43:40] <rugshucker> ChrisH can I have another hint?
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1838 [16:44:33] <joepublic> um...
1839 [16:46:09] <rugshucker> Also is there something going on with the OFTC server? I couldn't connect. Tried to get freenode to work with my VPN. I think I may have that figured out by the next time I connect. So at least that is good news.
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1841 [16:46:55] <joepublic> uh huh. so about that ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg ...
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1843 [16:48:27] <rugshucker> Uh yeah I wouldn't post my username for my computer. I have been using Linux for over 5 years now. Though in many areas I am still a novice. Pretty sure it's a bad idea to post the username though. Yeah sorry i'll get right on that.
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1845 [16:49:29] <joepublic> if that command prints your username, you probably need a reinstall.
1846 [16:49:58] <joepublic> or at least to chown it to root and set it to 644.
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1849 [16:50:44] <n4dir> my username is "user". i am not so shy ...
1850 [16:51:05] <n4dir> i would even post my password ...
1851 [16:51:09] <joepublic> I am not going to fight you to help you, I just realized. Carry on with my apologies.
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1858 [16:52:46] <dmk> i've just bought an ssd for my aging laptop. trying to work out whether i should clone the current disk, or do a fresh install and copy, or rsync the files onto a fresh partition. anyone have any advice?
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1864 [16:53:18] <joepublic> dmk, I have had good results with clonezilla for smaller drive to larger.
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1872 [16:53:51] <PPaFin> dmk, Always new install and rsync...
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1874 [16:54:17] <dmk> ah, i've not used that before. will it handle making the drive bootable?
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1879 [16:54:47] <dmk> PPaFin: I'd not even considered that option... what's the benefit of the install before rsync?
1880 [16:54:49] <joepublic> dmk, yes. it's designed to do what you are thinking about doing.
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1887 [16:55:04] <dmk> joepublic: fantastic, thanks :)
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1898 [16:56:15] <PPaFin> dmk, it keeps your knowledge up - how to be able to rebuild from groundzero, and ultimately teaches you to separate data and binaries :)
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1903 [16:56:48] <dmk> ahhh, that's fair enough
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1905 [16:57:12] <dmk> i'm feeling a bit lazy this time i think, clonezilla is looking pretty nice
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1909 [16:57:29] <rugshucker> joepublic so do you think there is something seriously wrong with the install on my other machine?
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1911 [16:57:33] <joepublic> Depending on use case, a laptop is often all binaries and no data
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1917 [16:58:26] <PPaFin> dunno, I've been doing that for ages. But feel free to clone of course..
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1921 [16:58:40] <ChrisH> rugshucker: did you paste the requested ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg somewhere?
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1923 [16:58:50] <rugshucker> yessir
1924 [16:58:54] <n4dir> and after ages you still feel it "keeps your knowledge up" ?
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1934 [16:59:50] <rugshucker> I think this is it. Posted it earlier paste.debian.net/1054187/
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1936 [17:00:01] <PPaFin> Yep, because restoring from scratch is usefull skil, I've learned.
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1939 [17:00:35] <joepublic> Makes sense to me. I remember using UNIX system III in the 1980s when my beard was not grey, yet I find that I remember best the things that I keep up doing once in a while.
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1943 [17:01:19] <rugshucker> Yeah it looks like my gpg keys are readable and writable by root. I think that's right
1944 [17:01:41] <joepublic> rugshucker, I suggest sudo chmod 644 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg and try apt-update again. It's not root that needs to read the file, it's the apt user.
1945 [17:01:59] <PPaFin> joepublic, true
1946 [17:02:08] <greycat> Is this another synaptic bug?
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1948 [17:02:51] <rugshucker> Any theories on hth that happened when I don't think I ever put _apt ont this machine?
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1955 [17:03:49] <joepublic> For a long list of users you mostly didn't put there, have a look at cat /etc/passwd|cut -d':' -f1
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1958 [17:04:22] <greycat> UUOC
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1961 [17:05:01] <joepublic> man you guys are always down on me because I like to use cat.
1962 [17:05:58] <joepublic> it doesn't wear out with use :)
1963 [17:05:59] <n4dir> i for one think i learn more if i rsync an exsiting installation around, while installing and only copying config files in place seems like the more easy solution.
1964 [17:06:41] <rugshucker> cat is pretty useful. Don't see this _apt. I will try cat /etc/passwd on this laptop.
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1968 [17:07:03] <joepublic> rugshucker, he means that you should cut -d':' -f1 /etc/passwd instead.
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1970 [17:07:41] <rugshucker> So uh what does this switch do exactly?
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1975 [17:08:07] <joepublic> just shows you the first field of the file, using : as a delimiter. The first field is the username.
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1978 [17:09:57] <joepublic> the important advice was to chmod the /etc/apt/trusted.gpg to 644 and then apt update again.
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1982 [17:11:00] <klr> hello, i am running unstable, virtualbox does not appear to be in the 'unstable' repo. what are my options?
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1984 [17:11:16] <xx> e
1985 [17:11:28] <annadane> i use virt-manager for virtualization stuff.
1986 [17:11:40] <jhutchins_wk> ,v virtualbox
1987 [17:11:41] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-7~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.22-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.22-dfsg-1; sid/contrib: 5.2.22-dfsg-2
1988 [17:11:43] <rugshucker> Is that a reasonable way to fix this, or should I just count this machine as somehow corrupted and start over?
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1993 [17:12:06] <klr> interesting, i wonder why it's now showing up in my apt-cache
1994 [17:12:22] <joepublic> klr: it's in non-free
1995 [17:12:27] <jasabella> it's in contrib
1996 [17:12:32] <colo-work> isn't there
1997 [17:12:34] <colo-work> ,v virtualbox-ose
1998 [17:12:35] <judd> Package: virtualbox-ose on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1
1999 [17:12:35] <amikot40> hello :D
2000 [17:12:36] <colo-work> ?
2001 [17:12:37] <klr> oh, contrib.
2002 [17:12:38] <colo-work> ah
2003 [17:12:41] <klr> i have non-free enabled :)
2004 [17:12:43] <colo-work> "used to be", apparently
2005 [17:13:03] <n4dir> rugshucker: my belly tells me that the file should have proper rights in the first place, and something went south somehwere.
2006 [17:13:10] <joepublic> rugshucker, that's the default state of that file.
2007 [17:13:17] <klr> thanks guys, it was in `contrib`
2008 [17:13:33] <joepublic> it's the exensions that are in non-free. my mistake.
2009 [17:13:36] <rugshucker> 644 doesn't that give read/write priveleges? it seems to already have them
2010 [17:13:53] <klr> rugshucker: depends on from who's prospective
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2012 [17:14:10] <n4dir> if the chmod fixes it and there are no other problems, i for one would probably leave it installed (but with a bit of mistrust)
2013 [17:14:23] <ChrisH> rugshucker: that file is pretty small. I am not sure if copy from anther box would fix it.
2014 [17:14:48] <joepublic> rugshucker, 6 is read/write for the owner of the file (root), 4 is read-only for group, and finally 4 read-only for "other" which is what is your immediate problem.
2015 [17:14:50] <klr> annadane: This is for Vagrant, I have not attempted to use vagrant with virt
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2019 [17:15:40] <joepublic> when you install from scratch, that file is 644 by default.
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2021 [17:15:48] <n00b-usr> long live cat
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2023 [17:15:55] <joepublic> amen, n00b-usr
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2025 [17:16:56] <rugshucker> ok so now after apt update there are even more errors
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2027 [17:17:11] <jasabella> vagrant needed virtualbox 5.1 last time i messed with it
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2029 [17:17:37] <joepublic> rugshucker, that's unfortunate but not all that surprising... Your call as to whether to keep diagnosing and fixing them or to reinstall.
2030 [17:17:56] <klr> joepublic: it is working with 5.2 for me.
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2034 [17:18:05] <jasabella> cool
2035 [17:18:05] <klr> it can also use docker and some other backends.
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2037 [17:18:19] <klr> vagrant-libvirt - Vagrant plugin that adds an Libvirt provider to Vagrant
2038 [17:18:23] <jasabella> (i'm not joepublic :) )
2039 [17:18:26] <jasabella> but yeah
2040 [17:18:36] <joepublic> we are both j's so autocomplete can get confused...
2041 [17:18:38] <klr> i'm sorry jasabella
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2045 [17:18:55] <klr> I was being lazy :>
2046 [17:18:57] <jasabella> nice to see the ticket is now closed: replaced-url
2047 [17:19:27] <ChrisH> rugshucker: unless you get a bit more verbose and show us the new errors, noone can provide assistance/help.
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2050 [17:20:12] <joepublic> wow ChrisH you're really enthusiastic about helping :) let him think for a minute!
2051 [17:20:29] <ChrisH> rugshucker: from what my 2min google search shows: a apt-key update might help.
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2055 [17:20:52] <rugshucker> Ok so now after chmod /etc/apt/trusted.gpg has the priveleges -rw-r--r--
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2057 [17:21:03] <ChrisH> joepublic: I switch to this screen every few minutes and ... no I am not enthustastic
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2062 [17:23:12] <rugshucker> test
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2066 [17:23:45] <Neobenedict> hi i can ping 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1 and access the machine over IP but DNS is not working
2067 [17:23:46] <Neobenedict> help?
2068 [17:23:57] <rugshucker> the following signatures couldn't be verified bc the public key is not available
2069 [17:24:01] <Neobenedict> i added "nameserver 8.8.8.8" to /etc/resolv.conf and ifdown/ifup and it didn't help
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2071 [17:24:11] <klr> does 'dig' return anything or just timeout?
2072 [17:24:21] <rugshucker> that is the jist of what the error from apt update was
2073 [17:24:28] <Neobenedict> i dont have dig package installed
2074 [17:24:30] <Neobenedict> and can't use apt
2075 [17:24:34] <Neobenedict> because it can't resolve the dns
2076 [17:24:35] <greycat> Remember that DNS uses UDP on port 53 (outgoing), so if you firewalled something, make sure you allow THAT.
2077 [17:24:47] <joepublic> Neobenedict, how about nslookup? us cat people love nslookup
2078 [17:24:48] <Neobenedict> but "ping google.com" just hangs for example
2079 [17:24:55] <Neobenedict> -bash: nslookup: command not found
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2081 [17:24:56] <klr> joepublic: lol
2082 [17:24:59] <Neobenedict> i cannot install any packages
2083 [17:25:04] <jhutchins_wk> Neobenedict: You can resolve that by putting the host in your /etc/hosts file.
2084 [17:25:05] <ChrisH> Neobenedict: sounds like /etc/resolv.conf is not populated as expected. Check that first and fix it manually
2085 [17:25:20] <Neobenedict> cat /etc/resolv.conf
2086 [17:25:20] <Neobenedict> nameserver 8.8.8.8
2087 [17:25:20] <Neobenedict> nameserver 8.8.4.4
2088 [17:25:23] <jhutchins_wk> Neobenedict: If you restarted networking it probably regenerated resolv.conf
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2091 [17:25:36] <joepublic> rugshucker, are you interested in troubleshooting that?
2092 [17:25:37] <Neobenedict> doing sudo service networking restart breaks network completely
2093 [17:25:42] <rugshucker> Probly nothing that any of us in our community hasn't seen before at one time or another. basic failed source shit
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2096 [17:25:52] <greycat> or if you waited a few minutes, your DHCP client daemon probably regenerated resolv.conf for you, because it thinks it's helping
2097 [17:26:02] <Neobenedict> how do i kill off dhcp
2098 [17:26:03] <greycat> !override dns
2099 [17:26:03] <dpkg_> To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See replaced-url
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2102 [17:26:25] <rugshucker> yeah man do you really want me to post the entire error?
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2104 [17:26:44] <rugshucker> also thanks for stickin with me Joe
2105 [17:26:46] <jhutchins_wk> !paste
2106 [17:26:46] <dpkg_> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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2108 [17:27:21] <joepublic> rugshucker, doesn't matter to me... But if you want anyone here to know what we are troubleshooting, you have the option of pastebinning the error.
2109 [17:27:33] <rugshucker> Thanks hutchins but I already figured that out a long time ago
2110 [17:27:35] <joepublic> Thanks jhutchins_wk.
2111 [17:28:05] <rugshucker> alright give me a bit
2112 [17:28:08] <klr> Neobenedict: what kind of network are you on? a work/school/restricted network? or something you have full control over?
2113 [17:28:11] <joepublic> On my screen that paste command plus reply block takes 8 lines, by the way.
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2115 [17:28:31] <Neobenedict> klr: sharing internet from a windows machine
2116 [17:28:35] <Neobenedict> but i can ping 8.8.8.8
2117 [17:28:37] <Neobenedict> just fine
2118 [17:28:42] <Neobenedict> and this was working previously
2119 [17:29:14] <klr> Okay. Does the windows machine have a firewall on it?
2120 [17:29:32] <rugshucker> paste.debian.net/1054194/
2121 [17:29:36] <Neobenedict> i'm going to try something.
2122 [17:29:41] <klr> something that would restrict 53/(tcp|udp) ?
2123 [17:30:00] <klr> you could also try 1.1.1.1, 4.2.2.2, 4.2.2.3.
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2125 [17:30:19] <ChrisH> rugshucker: that looks much better now.
2126 [17:30:21] <Neobenedict> okay, interesting
2127 [17:30:32] <joepublic> rugshucker, does this help: replaced-url
2128 [17:30:35] <Neobenedict> i "fixed" the issue
2129 [17:30:42] <klr> it's very difficult to troubleshoot your networking issues without 'dig' so that should be the next step.
2130 [17:30:46] <Neobenedict> by enabling a wireguard vpn
2131 [17:30:49] <Neobenedict> for 0.0.0.0
2132 [17:30:55] <Neobenedict> so DNS is being blocked somewhere I guess
2133 [17:30:59] <klr> =)
2134 [17:31:10] <Neobenedict> does windows block DNS or something
2135 [17:31:16] <klr> wrong channel ;p
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2137 [17:31:50] <klr> install the usual, tcpdump. nmap, dig, etc and come back and tell us!
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2139 [17:32:02] <ChrisH> rugshucker: follow the link joepublic send, do that for all missing keys
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2150 [17:36:08] <klr> are most people using wireguard now?
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2152 [17:36:28] <greycat> I think the objective answer is "no".
2153 [17:36:39] <greycat> Less than 50% of the earth's population are using it.
2154 [17:36:41] <jhutchins_wk> klr: He has trouble installing packages because he can't resolve the repo hosts.
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2157 [17:36:56] <klr> jhutchins_wk: I understand that, I'm asking a general questions.
2158 [17:37:07] <klr> which greycat took _way_ too literally.
2159 [17:37:12] <joepublic> klr, most means >50%. That's what that word means.
2160 [17:37:42] <rugshucker> So im assuming this particular fix shouldn't be run as root?
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2162 [17:38:14] <rugshucker> here is the same link in pastebin replaced-url
2163 [17:38:17] <greycat> If you meant "Are a lot of people using wireguard now?" then I wouldn't know the answer. I don't even know what wireguard *is*.
2164 [17:38:23] <rugshucker> it'll never expire
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2166 [17:38:52] <joepublic> rugshucker, this is a run-as-root operation.
2167 [17:39:06] <SerajewelKS> wireguard is probably way too new to be widely adopted
2168 [17:39:24] <joepublic> only root, the owner of the trusted.gpg file, has permission to write to it, as designed.
2169 [17:39:39] <klr> greycat: That was constructive, thank you.
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2171 [17:39:52] <rugshucker> alright thanks
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2178 [17:43:45] <rugshucker> paste.debian.net/1054197
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2183 [17:44:15] <rugshucker> Sometimes there is just always something new you have to deal with
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2188 [17:45:52] <joepublic> ,v dirmngr
2189 [17:45:54] <judd> Package: dirmngr on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.0-3; jessie: 1.1.1-5; stretch-security: 2.1.18-8~deb9u2; stretch: 2.1.18-8~deb9u3; stretch-backports: 2.2.10-3~bpo9+1; buster: 2.2.11-1; sid: 2.2.11-1
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2191 [17:46:27] <rugshucker> shit what do i have to mkdir those missing directories now?
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2193 [17:46:41] <joepublic> The immediate problem is that you seem to be missing that particular package (dirmngr)
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2198 [17:48:21] <TRPM8> -help
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2200 [17:48:43] <rugshucker> thanks. well thanks for all the help Joe, Chris. I think I will return to this later. The batteries are running down on both these machines and I do not have the ability to recharge at this time. Thanks again :)
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2203 [17:48:57] <joepublic> I was on comfortable familiar territory with chmod'ing trusted.gpg and adding keys. This one's new to me. Good luck and peace.
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2209 [17:51:17] <joepublic> wireguard is apparently a roll-your-own kernel module VPN about which wikipedia says " the developers of WireGuard advise treating the code and protocol as experimental, and caution that they have not yet achieved a stable release compatible with CVE tracking of any security vulnerabilities that may be discovered"
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2254 [18:11:10] <srged> whats the linux app close to dreamwaver for html editig ?
2255 [18:11:21] <srged> for debian i mean
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2257 [18:11:47] <joepublic> I guess you don't mean emacs or vi.
2258 [18:12:45] <joepublic> Perhaps this article may help you: replaced-url
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2261 [18:13:41] <jhutchins_wk> ,v quanta
2262 [18:13:42] <judd> No package named 'quanta' was found in amd64.
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2264 [18:14:53] <jhutchins_wk> srged: replaced-url
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2275 [18:19:56] <srged> thanks guys
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2286 [18:25:44] <noodlepie> I installed Debian UserLAnd on my mobile, I can run VNC and SSH from anywhere to my mobile core. Neato!
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2351 [19:04:56] <Neobenedict> E: Package 'winetricks' has no installation candidate
2352 [19:04:58] <Neobenedict> help with this error?
2353 [19:05:00] <Neobenedict> debian 9
2354 [19:05:15] <Neobenedict> .paste
2355 [19:05:16] <greycat> ,v winetricks
2356 [19:05:17] <judd> Package: winetricks on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 0.0+20121030+svn918-1; jessie/contrib: 0.0+20141009+svn1208-2; stretch/contrib: 0.0+20170101-1; buster/contrib: 0.0+20180815-1; sid/contrib: 0.0+20180815-1
2357 [19:05:21] <greycat> It's in contrib.
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2360 [19:06:59] <Neobenedict> thx
2361 [19:07:23] <diogenes_> Neobenedict, you could grab the wintetricks from github and just make it executable
2362 [19:07:28] <diogenes_> no need for installation
2363 [19:07:37] <Neobenedict> yeah too late :p
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2421 [19:38:18] <jhutchins_wk> Do the Brother printer drivers work on amd64 systems?
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2440 [19:51:01] <Akuw> i need to install flashplugin-nonfree
2441 [19:51:11] <Akuw> what repo need i?
2442 [19:51:28] <greycat> Probably one that existed 3 years ago.
2443 [19:51:33] <greycat> Good luck.
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2449 [19:52:38] <annadane> ,v flashplugin-nonfree
2450 [19:52:40] <judd> Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1:3.7
2451 [19:53:03] <annadane> wonder if pepperflash can be substituted
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2454 [19:54:40] <annadane> many people just don't bother with flash anymore, it's rare someone needs it for something important and it's a security risk
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2457 [19:55:50] <Akuw> i need to install flashplugin-nonfree
2458 [19:56:49] <SerajewelKS> Akuw: you want either flashplayer-chromium or flashplayer-mozilla depending on your browser
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2461 [19:58:50] <Tenkawa> /me grumbles at asm_goto
2462 [19:58:54] <Tenkawa> errr
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2477 [20:06:46] * SpeedyG grumbles at invisible spaces ^_^
2478 [20:07:12] <Ooze> I thought this would pick up files created within the last 24hours, but it seems to be running on everything in the dir. 'find /media/seed/ -mtime -1 -exec beet import {} \;'
2479 [20:07:17] <Ooze> Am I missing something?
2480 [20:07:24] <Akuw> SerajewelKS: flashplayer-chromium
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2482 [20:08:03] <greycat> Ooze: -type f, maybe? I don't know what "beet" does if you pass it a directory name.
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2492 [20:10:03] <n_1-c_k> Ooze: try "-mtime 1" instead of "-mtime -1"?
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2494 [20:10:14] <greycat> n_1-c_k: no.
2495 [20:10:39] <greycat> -mtime 1 means "modified between 24 and 48 hours ago", with some weired rounding
2496 [20:11:29] <n_1-c_k> greycat: ah
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2500 [20:12:56] <simpledat> Why was there only 48 packages to remove after I run apt-get remove virt-manger. And 98 packages when installing it?
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2503 [20:14:54] <jhutchins_wk> simpledat: Hard to say, possibly other packages now use some of the dependencies.
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2506 [20:16:34] <annadane> you shouldn't have 48 removed after apt-get remove virt-manager. apt autoremove, on the other hand...
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2510 [20:17:01] <SerajewelKS> annadane: isn't there some apt option to effectively autoremove on every removal?
2511 [20:17:18] <annadane> i don't know
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2514 [20:19:26] <annadane> if there are 48 packages removed just from apt remove i'd suspect a weird issue with packages
2515 [20:19:38] <simpledat> annadane: Yeah it was from apt-get autoremove, thats right. But why only 48 packages?
2516 [20:20:09] <annadane> then it's probably as jhutchins said and those packages are in use by other programs
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2518 [20:20:52] <n4dir> you could have a look at the output of deborphan (or deborphan --guess-all).
2519 [20:20:58] <bites> did you install other packages between installing and removing virt-manager?
2520 [20:21:06] <simpledat> bites: No
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2522 [20:21:18] <simpledat> The only thing I did was, installing virt-manger then removed it.
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2533 [20:26:32] <simpledat> now I removed qemu-kvm
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2535 [20:26:50] <simpledat> and it autoremoved another 13 packages
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2537 [20:27:06] <simpledat> Still not 98 of them as when I install it
2538 [20:27:20] <n4dir> as said, try deborphan
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2542 [20:28:31] <simpledat> n4dir: What is that?
2543 [20:29:13] <n4dir> it lists "orphaned" packages (has options, the only one i know from the top of my head is --guess-all, but a simple deborphan would be a start)
2544 [20:29:18] <Ede|Popede> sounds like one of the hugh amount of tools related to packages and their management
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2546 [20:29:33] <n4dir> but look really close, it can offer stuff you rather would want to keep.
2547 [20:30:14] <n4dir> hence most don't use it (it can go south ...). But only running "deborphan" will only list, and do nothing else
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2550 [20:30:32] <Akuw> SerajewelKS: flashplayer-chromium
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2552 [20:30:43] <n4dir> there is also "aptitude purge ~c", which i ran regularly, and never really knew what it did. lol.
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2559 [20:32:27] <Akuw> SerajewelKS: i have this line in sources.list
2560 [20:32:34] <Akuw> SerajewelKS: deb replaced-url
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2565 [20:33:53] <simpledat> Can some of you try to install virt-manger and check it out?
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2567 [20:34:30] <n4dir> aptitude purge ~c ; starts doing stuff without hesitating, so take care with that one (never ever had a problem with it, just saying it is a point of no return)
2568 [20:35:20] <bites> it purges packages that have been removed but not purged.
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2573 [20:39:31] <SerajewelKS> Akuw: okay. what is your question?
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2588 [20:45:15] <annadane> or "aptitude search ~c" first
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2592 [20:46:44] <n4dir> you should announce that a bit louder, annadane. good one.
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2596 [20:48:06] <Akuw> SerajewelKS: what repo i need to install it
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2609 [20:52:16] <SerajewelKS> Akuw: exactly what you have
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2612 [20:53:16] <cybercrypto> hi thre
2613 [20:53:21] <cybercrypto> hi there
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2628 [21:00:55] <nwm> libgit2-dev is currently broken on debian buster/sid
2629 [21:01:00] <nwm> cannot resolve
2630 [21:01:13] <greycat> File a bug report.
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2632 [21:02:15] <annadane> !debian-next
2633 [21:02:15] <dpkg_> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2638 [21:03:00] <Neobenedict> why is it not on this network
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2641 [21:03:24] <bites> this channel is on the wrong network.
2642 [21:03:34] <greycat> We are the outcast.
2643 [21:03:40] <Neobenedict> yeah freenode sucks
2644 [21:03:53] <Neobenedict> but at least it's centralized
2645 [21:04:08] <greycat> ! #debian oftc move
2646 [21:04:16] <greycat> !#debian oftc move
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2648 [21:04:29] <greycat> Hmm.
2649 [21:04:37] <Neobenedict> lets be honest if you moved it
2650 [21:04:37] <SerajewelKS> !oftc
2651 [21:04:38] <dpkg_> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
2652 [21:04:40] <Neobenedict> you'd lose 1000 ppl
2653 [21:04:40] <Neobenedict> or so
2654 [21:04:44] <SerajewelKS> there it is
2655 [21:04:47] <SerajewelKS> !oftc move
2656 [21:04:47] <dpkg_> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
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2658 [21:04:57] <greycat> I guess I don't understand the output of "listkeys oftc"
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2662 [21:06:02] <mamadg_> hi , why two tan interface (one of them attached to libvirt kvm VM, and one created manualy in host) cannot connect to each other when bridge does not have ip address ? (i'm trying to find out how bridge's work in linux)
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2664 [21:06:30] <SerajewelKS> bridges work at layer 2, so no IP should be necessary
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2666 [21:07:21] <SerajewelKS> wait, tun?
2667 [21:07:26] <mamadg_> but when i remove bridge ip interface's cannot ping each other
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2669 [21:07:30] <SerajewelKS> i don't know what a "tan interface" is
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2672 [21:07:42] <mamadg_> i'm using linux bridge interface's
2673 [21:08:27] <SerajewelKS> okay. tun interfaces are layer 3 interfaces (IP) and don't really have a concept of layer 2. so putting them in a layer 2 bridge doesn't really make sense. if the bridge has an IP then the packets may get layer-3 routed perhaps?
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2676 [21:08:47] <SerajewelKS> maybe that's why it doesn't work unless the bridge has an IP. if it were me, i would only be putting tap (layer 2) interfaces in a bridge.
2677 [21:08:54] <mamadg_> SerajewelKS: tuntap virtual interface that used by qemo-kvm machine's
2678 [21:09:04] <SerajewelKS> mamadg_: right but tun and tap are different
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2680 [21:09:19] <SerajewelKS> if you are using tun, then try using tap instead, and make the necessary configuration changes to support tap
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2682 [21:10:08] <mamadg_> SerajewelKS: actually i'm using tap (ip tuntap add t0 mode tap )
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2684 [21:10:28] <SerajewelKS> okay. then it should work fine even without an IP on the bridge.
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2686 [21:11:00] <SerajewelKS> note that bridges have a learning phase before they enter the forwarding phase. this can take up to 30 seconds with default settings, so you may just need to wait a bit before forwarding across the bridge works.
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2694 [21:14:15] <SerajewelKS> (that's only if STP is on, though)
2695 [21:14:23] <mamadg_> SerajewelKS: at first ip address assigned to bridge by libvirt and two interface were able to ping each other , but when i remove ip from bridge it does not work anymore
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2698 [21:15:23] <SerajewelKS> i assume the two VMs are configured to be in the same subnet
2699 [21:15:40] <bltzfsck> /quit
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2705 [21:16:46] <SerajewelKS> things to try: make sure the taps are in promisc mode. enable STP on the bridge and see if that helps.
2706 [21:17:20] <mamadg_> SerajewelKS: there is one VM , i created second tap interface myself and add it to bridge (it does not attached to any VM)
2707 [21:17:44] <SerajewelKS> ... what?
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2709 [21:17:51] <SerajewelKS> so what system is going to answer the pings then?
2710 [21:18:43] <mamadg_> i don't know but when bridge has ip address some system answer ping's
2711 [21:18:55] <SerajewelKS> you need to figure out wtf is going on with that other tap
2712 [21:19:01] <SerajewelKS> because what you're describing doesn't make any sense
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2715 [21:19:26] <SerajewelKS> a tap interface is usually "connected" to a running program, which processes the packets. in the case of the VM, that's the VM hypervisor.
2716 [21:19:44] <mamadg_> SerajewelKS: do you know any good resource or document that explain about how linux interfaces work ?
2717 [21:19:45] <SerajewelKS> if you just create a tap then nothing is "connected" to it, and it's a black hole
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2719 [21:21:02] <mamadg_> SerajewelKS: ok , but if it is black hole , who answering the ping's ?
2720 [21:21:11] <SerajewelKS> how should i know :P
2721 [21:21:34] <SerajewelKS> you haven't even given information about what interfaces are assigned what IPs, what IP you're pinging and from where...
2722 [21:21:48] <SerajewelKS> all i know is you have two taps in a bridge and you're trying to ping across the bridge
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2724 [21:21:56] <mamadg_> SerajewelKS: that is problem i trying to understand how it works
2725 [21:22:02] <mamadg_> SerajewelKS: ok wait a minute
2726 [21:22:16] <SerajewelKS> what you've described to me can't work because one of the taps isn't connected to anything
2727 [21:22:27] <SerajewelKS> it's like asking why you can't ping across an ethernet cable that's unplugged on one end
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2736 [21:24:18] <SerajewelKS> mamadg_: picture it this way. a bridge functions like an ethernet switch. what you've described (bridge with 2 taps) has three cables plugged into it: each tap, and the bridge interface itself.
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2739 [21:24:41] <SerajewelKS> mamadg_: one "cable" for the first tap is plugged into the VM. the one "cable" for the second tap is not plugged in to anything.
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2744 [21:24:54] <SerajewelKS> mamadg_: so of course you cannot ping from the VM across the second tap's cable. the cable goes nowhere.
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2747 [21:25:59] <SerajewelKS> if you give the bridge an IP then you should be able to ping that IP, of course
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2769 [21:36:15] <hansol> i have installed php5.4.24
2770 [21:36:20] <hansol> but now i want to remove it
2771 [21:36:22] <hansol> how to remove it ?
2772 [21:36:50] <greycat> How did you install it?
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2776 [21:37:31] <hansol> with wget and configure
2777 [21:38:21] <greycat> Then ask ##php how to uninstall it.
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2788 [21:42:24] <Ede|Popede> dpkg in disguise?
2789 [21:42:25] <dpkg_> Ede|Popede: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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2791 [21:42:44] <Ede|Popede> larger than a C64? hmm...
2792 [21:43:01] <Tenkawa> more like a TRS-80
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2799 [21:45:02] <Tenkawa> and who can forget the VIC-20
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2801 [21:45:20] <Ede|Popede> and the datassette
2802 [21:45:29] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: ok problem solved , it's not about bridge ip address it's about host routing table , i remove bridge ip address and add route (ip r add 192.168.2.0/24 dev virbr6 proto kernel scope link) now everyone are able to ping each other
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2804 [21:46:15] <Tenkawa> oh the early days of home computers
2805 [21:46:19] <Tenkawa> heheheh
2806 [21:46:39] <Ede|Popede> yeah.. when one could memorize the complete table of asm instructions :>
2807 [21:46:49] <Ede|Popede> is there an emulator on hardware level?
2808 [21:46:51] <Tenkawa> indeed
2809 [21:47:01] <Tenkawa> Ede|Popede: probably
2810 [21:47:51] <Ede|Popede> would be interresting, there have been a few different generations of the 6502 (illegal opcodes!)
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2812 [21:48:23] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: i still don't understand who is pinging whom considering you said that the second tap is not connected to anything but okay
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2814 [21:48:40] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: a bridge should not use layer 3 routing for switched packets
2815 [21:49:13] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: if the ports of the bridge are not in the same subnet then you actually don't want a bridge at all, and you just want to use layer 3 forwarding, which _would_ involve a routing table
2816 [21:49:22] <Tenkawa> he's gone
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2818 [21:49:36] <SerajewelKS> :/
2819 [21:49:44] <SerajewelKS> hope nobody else has to maintain his broken config
2820 [21:49:50] <Tenkawa> unless he has a second nick in here
2821 [21:49:57] <Tenkawa> he just pinged out
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2823 [21:50:44] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: remember this is not a physical bridge, it's linux virtual bridge interface
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2826 [21:51:11] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: a virtual bridge operates pretty much the same way as an ethernet switch
2827 [21:51:15] <Tenkawa> ahh you did have 2
2828 [21:51:17] <Tenkawa> good
2829 [21:51:21] <Tenkawa> wheeew
2830 [21:51:33] <SerajewelKS> so if the parties involved in the bridge do not share the same subnet then a bridge is the _wrong solution_
2831 [21:51:38] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: but about tap interface you are right , i steel don't know who answering the ping
2832 [21:52:03] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: they are in same range
2833 [21:52:11] <SerajewelKS> okay. then a host routing table is unnecessary.
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2835 [21:52:38] <SerajewelKS> routing deals with layer 3 packets destined for a different subnet than their source
2836 [21:52:49] <SerajewelKS> if the destination is the same subnet then routing is not a factor
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2838 [21:53:17] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: in routing table we dont set anything about ip address we just select dev
2839 [21:53:21] <SerajewelKS> so you've given me like four pieces of information that all tell a different story, so honestly i'm not sure what the hell you're trying to do, or even what you _have_ done
2840 [21:53:35] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the routing table is IRRELEVANT for switched layer 2 packets
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2843 [21:53:52] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: yes it does
2844 [21:53:58] <SerajewelKS> no it is not
2845 [21:54:10] <SerajewelKS> that is why i'm telling you that part of your config is seriously wrong
2846 [21:54:20] <SerajewelKS> if adding a routing table fixes a BRIDGE then something else is broken
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2848 [21:54:28] <SerajewelKS> a bridge does not require a configured routing table
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2850 [21:54:36] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: i'm sorry it does not :) , english is not my first
2851 [21:55:10] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: nothing is broken , it's about how linux deal with it
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2855 [21:55:27] <SerajewelKS> yeah see another problem is that you are not listening to me. something IS broken.
2856 [21:55:47] <SerajewelKS> the routing table is 100% not necessary to make a bridge work
2857 [21:55:59] <no_gravity> Hello! How can I prevent the network card of my laptop from going to sleep when idle? It seems to go to sleep after just a few ms or something.
2858 [21:56:05] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: how can i test these without ip address and ping ?
2859 [21:56:45] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: is there tool to send a frame and check a delivery ?
2860 [21:56:45] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: i don't know because you still haven't given me a configuration summary that makes any sense
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2862 [21:57:20] <SerajewelKS> you've told me "two taps in a bridge" and "adding a routing table fixed it" but you haven't given me IP addresses of any of the interfaces, what IP the VM is configured for, what you're even trying to ping and from where...
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2865 [21:57:31] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: replaced-url
2866 [21:57:33] <SerajewelKS> what routing table entry you added
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2868 [21:58:16] <exifbono> Hello everyone. I have a clear new debian stretch, and I've set a hard drive so that is mounted on /var (making sure to copy all the /var content in it before it). Now, it mounts alright, I can ssh into it, but for some reason I can't ping the outside world. Any idea of what may be happening?
2869 [21:58:18] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: why does t0 have an IP?
2870 [21:58:22] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: ip r add 192.168.2.0/24 dev virbr6 proto kernel scope link
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2873 [21:58:59] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: interfaces in a bridge should not have any inet or inet6 addresses
2874 [21:59:17] <Tenkawa> exifbono: can it ping your router/gateway?
2875 [21:59:34] <exifbono> Tenkawa, yep
2876 [21:59:37] <Tenkawa> ok
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2878 [21:59:48] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: why not ?
2879 [21:59:52] <Tenkawa> can it access outside sites?
2880 [22:00:01] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: when you put an interface into a bridge, it effectively ceases to be an interface for the host computer, and becomes a "port" on the bridge
2881 [22:00:07] <Tenkawa> through normal apps?
2882 [22:00:17] <Tenkawa> like links/lynx/firefox?
2883 [22:00:39] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: ok!!?
2884 [22:00:42] <exifbono> Tenkawa, no, nothing on the outside... I tried a simple wget and and apt update, can't resolve no address
2885 [22:00:48] <Tenkawa> ok
2886 [22:01:00] <Tenkawa> see whats in your /etc/resolv.conf
2887 [22:01:17] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: a bridge effectively is joining multiple interfaces into a single interface + physical network
2888 [22:01:20] <Tenkawa> see if theres a nameserver line
2889 [22:01:28] <exifbono> Tenkawa, it is all commented out
2890 [22:01:32] <Tenkawa> that has an ip of your router
2891 [22:01:33] <Tenkawa> ok
2892 [22:01:39] <Tenkawa> thats part of the problem
2893 [22:01:42] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: so the layer 3 (IP) configuration needs to be on the bridge itself (virbr6) and not the bridge ports (t0 and vnet1)
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2895 [22:02:09] <Tenkawa> your not picking up full dns lease
2896 [22:02:15] <Tenkawa> er dhcp
2897 [22:02:28] <exifbono> oh... how can a /var disk change provoke that?
2898 [22:02:30] <Tenkawa> (I assu,me you are using dhcp)
2899 [22:02:38] <exifbono> I am using static address actuall
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2901 [22:02:41] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: ok i don't get it !!!
2902 [22:02:42] <Tenkawa> oh
2903 [22:02:44] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: also note that interface t0 has "state DOWN"
2904 [22:02:56] <Tenkawa> if you are static you need to create that file
2905 [22:03:06] <Tenkawa> that is nic dependent
2906 [22:03:23] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: i don't know how to explain it any clearer. interfaces in a bridge should never have IP addresses of their own.
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2909 [22:03:50] <Tenkawa> exifbono: 2 lines will fix it
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2912 [22:04:05] <exifbono> Tenkawa, thanks, I'll give it a try, I found another pc file...
2913 [22:04:11] <Tenkawa> cool
2914 [22:04:21] <Tenkawa> try it and good luck
2915 [22:04:39] <exifbono> thanks a bunch for your time either way, Tenkawa
2916 [22:04:45] <Tenkawa> no problem
2917 [22:04:46] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: interfaces in a bridge are distinct layer 2 interfaces, but they cease to be distinct layer 3 entities; the layer 3 configuration goes on the bridge interface.
2918 [22:05:15] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: hence the bridged interfaces retain a separate hardware address. but they should NOT have IP (layer 3) addresses.
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2920 [22:06:10] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the VM configuration looks fine
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2923 [22:06:48] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: i'm guessing t0 is the tap you created by hand, because it is assigned an IP (which is incorrect) and is also marked as "down".
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2925 [22:07:19] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: t0 is your "unplugged ethernet cable" in this scenario. it can be part of the bridge, but there's nothing on the other side that will respond to any packets.
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2927 [22:07:42] <exifbono> Tenkawa, I added this lines to resolv.conf and rebooted, but nothing changed: search station nameserver 192.168.1.1
2928 [22:07:50] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the routing table entry probably patched something up because t0 isn't configured in the same subnet even (/32 instead of /24)
2929 [22:07:55] <Tenkawa> no
2930 [22:07:56] <exifbono> (192.168.1.1 is my router and gateway)
2931 [22:08:01] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: yes it is , but i can ping it from VM
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2933 [22:08:09] <Tenkawa> namserver 192.168.1.1
2934 [22:08:12] <Tenkawa> thats all
2935 [22:08:16] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: that's because you incorrectly assigned it an IP address
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2938 [22:08:23] <exifbono> oh... let's get to it again!
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2940 [22:08:29] <Tenkawa> dont need a reboot afterwards
2941 [22:08:31] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: repeat after me: "i will not assign IP addresses to interfaces that are in a bridge"
2942 [22:08:36] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: about t0 address i found out and fix it
2943 [22:08:41] <Tenkawa> just go to a command line
2944 [22:08:58] <Tenkawa> and try to nslookup a full domainname
2945 [22:09:05] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: okay. so the only problem here is that t0 doesn't do anything because there's no VM or software program that will reply to packets.
2946 [22:09:05] <Tenkawa> if it resolves
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2948 [22:09:39] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: if you launch a new VM and assign it an IP address in the range 192.168.2.0/24 and add its vnet interface into the bridge, the two VMs should be able to ping each other, without any extra configuration
2949 [22:09:52] <Tenkawa> I imagine you are missing your gateway too
2950 [22:09:52] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: regardless of a routing table, and regardless of whether virbr6 has an IP, they would be able to ping.
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2952 [22:10:14] <Tenkawa> which is an easy test to run
2953 [22:10:17] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: yes i tested that
2954 [22:10:32] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: okay. so do you have any other questions?
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2957 [22:12:01] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: actually i don't why i should not add ip address to bridge interface or bridge it self and how bridging work in linux :)
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2959 [22:12:40] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: can you introduce me some resource or document to learn about that ?
2960 [22:12:46] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the bridge interface itself (virbr6) CAN and probably SHOULD have an IP address. the bridge interface is where your host connects to the bridged network, effectively.
2961 [22:13:02] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the physical interfaces that make up the bridge (t0 and vnet1) SHOULD NOT have an IP address.
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2963 [22:13:17] <exifbono> Tenkawa, what do you know, it works! That's sorcery!
2964 [22:13:20] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: do you know how an ethernet switch works?
2965 [22:13:29] <Tenkawa> exifbono: excellent :)
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2968 [22:14:00] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: yes , i already read ICND1 and know about flooding and mac-table and ...
2969 [22:14:23] <Tenkawa> you can add your domain with that search stanza to append it for short lookups
2970 [22:14:28] <hansol> how to install libc client ?
2971 [22:14:34] <Tenkawa> for stuff like avahi, bounjour etc
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2975 [22:14:52] <Tenkawa> but its completely optionakl
2976 [22:14:55] <Tenkawa> er optional
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2979 [22:18:30] <exifbono> Tenkawa, seems like interesting stuff, it goes down in my wiki for future fun times =)
2980 [22:18:36] <Tenkawa> cool
2981 [22:18:37] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: okay. you can think of a bridge as a "virtual ethernet switch".
2982 [22:18:41] <Tenkawa> it is fun
2983 [22:18:43] <Tenkawa> :)
2984 [22:18:47] <exifbono> thanks again :)
2985 [22:18:52] <Tenkawa> no problem
2986 [22:18:56] <Tenkawa> good luck
2987 [22:19:02] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: in your head, think of an ethernet switch. one cable goes to virbr6, one cable goes to t0, and one cable goes to vnet1.
2988 [22:19:19] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: then it should be clear why you don't put IP addresses on t0 and vnet1.
2989 [22:19:28] <Tenkawa> wiki.debian.org is a great resource too
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2991 [22:19:45] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: a switch doesn't care about IP addresses. the only interface that needs an IP is virbr6, because that's the connection from the "switch" to the host computer.
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2993 [22:20:15] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the other two interfaces at that point are just kind of the ethernet cables that connect to another host. in the case of vnet1, it's more or less just the "cable" connecting the VM to the switch.
2994 [22:20:36] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: it doesn't need an IP. the VM's eth1 is what "gives it an IP" more or less.
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2998 [22:23:06] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: another way to think of it is that a bridge joins multiple network segments into a single network segment. if you have the host computer with three interfaces (two physical and one bridge) then why would the host computer need THREE addresses on the network segment!? it should only need one.
2999 [22:23:26] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: and that's what the bridge interface is for: you put the layer 3 address on the bridge. then the host only has a single IP on the entire network segment.
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3001 [22:24:28] <SerajewelKS> (erm network segment may be the wrong term... subnet may be better. a "layer 3 network segment.")
3002 [22:24:50] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: ok that right , so virbr6 play a switch and cable to host role , vnet1 is cable to VM
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3005 [22:25:25] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: right. so if you put an IP on virbr0, and vnet1, and t0, it's like plugging your host computer into the switch three times and giving each its own IP.
3006 [22:26:21] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: so when i put ip address on t0 , i connect to my host ..
3007 [22:26:36] <SerajewelKS> well you shouldn't put an IP on t0 at all
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3010 [22:28:18] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: virbr6 has no ip on it , so it's not connect to host (just play switch role) , vnet1 connected to VM , so i add t0 and assign it ip address (connect it to my host)
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3012 [22:28:58] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: t0 should not have an IP address either
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3014 [22:29:13] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the "thing" that uses t0 will handle that. right now t0 is not connected to anything.
3015 [22:29:25] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: in the switch scenario, t0 is an ethernet cable that is plugged into the switch, but the other end is not plugged in to anything.
3016 [22:29:31] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: you still don't give it an IP!
3017 [22:29:40] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the correct solution is to plug it in to something
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3020 [22:30:15] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: forget about t0 , think about dummy interface
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3022 [22:30:41] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: i don't care what kind of interface it is. if it's a bridge port, it does NOT get an IP.
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3032 [22:33:20] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: ok it's wrong to assign ip to tap interface , but happen when i do the wrong thing
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3034 [22:34:13] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: why it need routing table entry and who answering the ping's to it ?
3035 [22:34:15] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: no, it's NOT wrong to assign an IP to a tap interface
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3038 [22:34:41] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: it's wrong to assign an IP to an interface that is part of a bridge, regardless of what type of interface it is
3039 [22:34:53] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: if a tap interface is not part of a bridge, then it probably SHOULD have an IP.
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3047 [22:40:17] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: is it like that i connected one port of switch to another one ?
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3052 [22:44:48] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: no, not really. putting an IP on a switch port is more like connecting the host computer to the switch multiple times, but not exactly.
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3055 [22:48:09] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: don't worry too much about "what it's like" and just know that it's not a good idea to do that :)
3056 [22:49:03] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: from the perspective of the host, on layer 3 and above, you're basically combining multiple interfaces into a single interface (the bridge interface).
3057 [22:49:28] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: so the layer 3 configuration should go on the bridge interface, and ONLY on the bridge interface.
3058 [22:50:16] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: it's like i already have cable to switch but i add another one
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3060 [22:51:14] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: like i say i trying understand system otherwise i use libvirt to do all these thing for me
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3063 [22:51:56] <jhutchins_wk> Multiple parallel connections work, they can even be bound together for more throughput.
3064 [22:52:23] <fragment1> never cross the streams
3065 [22:52:33] <SerajewelKS> right, there may be reasons to do it with a physical switch. right now we're talking about bridges and why you don't assign an IP to the bridge port interfaces.
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3073 [22:56:40] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: yes it is useless in virtual environment but why does not work ? why linux does not forward frame's through t0 interface ? it's like t0 (or dummy0) does not connected to switch
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3075 [22:57:34] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: it is working, linux does forward frames into t0. but there's nothing on the other end of t0 to reply to them.
3076 [22:57:59] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: in particular any broadcast packets (e.g. ARP) will get sent to t0 (if it's up) but nothing will ever reply.
3077 [22:59:44] <SerajewelKS> a tap interface without anything controlling it through /dev/net/tun is like a disconnected cable
3078 [22:59:49] <SerajewelKS> you can chuck frames at it, but they go nowhere
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3080 [23:00:05] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: so if i open t0 with python script i should receive ping packets ?
3081 [23:00:36] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: sure
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3083 [23:00:55] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: but only if your script responds to ARP correctly
3084 [23:01:08] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: ok
3085 [23:01:16] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: otherwise the layer 2 bridge (switch) won't know what bridge port owns the IP being pinged
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3088 [23:01:36] <SerajewelKS> like a switch, the bridge learns which ports own which IPs by observing ARP packets
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3092 [23:03:00] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: but there is another question : t0 is cable that not connected to anything , but when we have route like this <192.168.2.0/24 dev virbr6 proto kernel scope link> (virbr6 steal does not have ip) , i get ping answer in VM from t0 ip address
3093 [23:03:28] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: if you assign t0 an IP, then yes, the kernel will pong. that doesn't mean the configuration is "good."
3094 [23:03:41] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: it just means the kernel is tolerating your broken config
3095 [23:04:23] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: there's not really much difference between putting an IP on t0, and just putting that IP as a secondary address on virbr6
3096 [23:05:27] <SerajewelKS> i'm trying to think of an example where they would behave differently and i can't come up with anything
3097 [23:05:39] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: i thing when i assign IP to t0 it does not really attached to t0 , it just like that system know's the ip address and send packet's according to route table
3098 [23:05:50] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the routing table is not even relevant here
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3100 [23:06:15] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: i should take that back. what address did you put on t0? is it a /32 or a /24?
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3102 [23:06:26] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: /24
3103 [23:06:48] <SerajewelKS> okay then you should not need a routing table entry for it to work. i don't really 100% know because this is a "bad" config and you shouldn't do it.
3104 [23:06:58] <SerajewelKS> if a routing table entry is necessary, that's further evidence that this is a bad thing to do
3105 [23:07:49] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: again i dont care about good or bad
3106 [23:08:42] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: i do weird thing to understand how linux work
3107 [23:09:16] <annadane> linux doesn't work based on bad practices... ideally
3108 [23:09:22] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: it's a bit silly to try to understand how a broken configuration works
3109 [23:09:31] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the answer will range from "sensibly" to "not at all"
3110 [23:09:40] <SerajewelKS> linux does not try to make bad configurations work
3111 [23:09:53] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: in case of routing table we do not specify gateway we specify which interface to work
3112 [23:09:54] <annadane> depending on who you ask
3113 [23:09:57] <joepublic> I have heard "practice makes perfect" but it's wrong. "perfect" practice makes perfecty. practicing "wrong" makes you really good at messing up.
3114 [23:10:01] <annadane> but no, learn to do stuff properly. please.
3115 [23:10:23] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: yes, that's how link-scoped routes work
3116 [23:10:24] <joepublic> I mean, sure, learn what not to do. But by not doing it.
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3119 [23:11:00] <mamadg__> ok introduce me some good paper about how linux handle network
3120 [23:11:11] <SerajewelKS> erm not link scoped
3121 [23:11:23] <SerajewelKS> wait. yes.
3122 [23:11:30] <Ede|Popede> are the HOWTOs still a thing?
3123 [23:11:34] <greycat> mamadg__: try ##networking or #netfilter
3124 [23:11:53] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: you should forget about putting an IP on a bridge port though. don't try to understand how it works. there is NO POINT to trying to understand how something wrong works.
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3126 [23:12:09] <annadane> "it depends on the network and what you're trying to accomplish"
3127 [23:12:17] <annadane> "ask the lovely people in #debian"
3128 [23:12:35] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: this is like a C/C++ developer asking how some undefined behavior works. the answer is "it doesn't matter, don't do that."
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3130 [23:13:08] <irreleph4nt> Hi. I am struggling to get a debian install on lvm-on-luks to boot
3131 [23:13:14] <irreleph4nt> I am using refind as a bootloader
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3134 [23:13:49] <irreleph4nt> refind itself works but the boot fails because "volume group XYZ cannot be found"
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3136 [23:14:25] <irreleph4nt> What really ticks me off is the fact that the debian boot never prompts for my LUKS passphrase
3137 [23:15:24] <irreleph4nt> it seems like the initramfs is missing LUKS and LVM support and quite honestly I have no freaking clue how to add that on Debian
3138 [23:15:33] <irreleph4nt> it's just so much simpler on other distros
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3140 [23:16:12] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: if you boot into the system somehow (which includes chrooting from the installer) then "update-initramfs -k all -u" should do it
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3142 [23:16:29] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: well that's what I am doing
3143 [23:16:35] <irreleph4nt> and it does _not_ work
3144 [23:16:55] <irreleph4nt> that command complains about /sbin/fsck.crypto_LUKS not being present
3145 [23:17:08] <irreleph4nt> this is a UEFI install by the way
3146 [23:17:12] <irreleph4nt> so my ESP is FAT32
3147 [23:17:16] <SerajewelKS> then something else is probably wrong... i couldn't tell you what. i've never booted straight from LUKS before. i always use a separate, unencrypted /boot
3148 [23:17:31] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: that's what I do aswell
3149 [23:17:40] <irreleph4nt> my disk has 2 partitions
3150 [23:17:44] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: i have to go thank you for answering :)
3151 [23:17:49] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: np, good luck!
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3153 [23:18:04] <irreleph4nt> sda1 is my boot partition which is not encrypted and formatted FAT32
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3155 [23:18:30] <SerajewelKS> oh, i thought the LUKS volume contained /boot
3156 [23:18:33] <irreleph4nt> sda2 is LUKS encrypted. my root partition sits on there
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3158 [23:18:50] <SerajewelKS> i have a system that boots like this (with grub) and it works fine...
3159 [23:18:58] <SerajewelKS> except ext4 everywhere instead of fat32
3160 [23:19:23] <SerajewelKS> when you rebuilt the initramfs, was /boot mounted correctly, _within_ the chroot?
3161 [23:19:23] <irreleph4nt> how do I tell Debian to load dm-crypt on boot?
3162 [23:19:38] <SerajewelKS> it's possible that you built a new initramfs into /boot on the / volume
3163 [23:19:42] <SerajewelKS> which wouldn't work, for obvious reasons
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3165 [23:19:53] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: well, before I enter the chroot I mount /dev/sda1 to /mnt/boot
3166 [23:20:02] <SerajewelKS> hmm
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3174 [23:22:21] <SerajewelKS> wait you said the initramfs isn't even being generated due to that error?
3175 [23:22:33] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: well, it is generated
3176 [23:22:43] <irreleph4nt> but complains that the binary is missing
3177 [23:22:58] <SerajewelKS> okay. that's fine, i think.
3178 [23:23:01] <irreleph4nt> what do I need to do in order for Debian to prompt me for my LUKS passphrase during boot?
3179 [23:23:05] <SerajewelKS> after update-initramfs do you update-grub?
3180 [23:23:08] <irreleph4nt> I have afeeling I am missing something
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3182 [23:23:32] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: I don't use GRUB. I use rEFInd as bootloader instead
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3184 [23:23:53] <SerajewelKS> oh right. well.
3185 [23:24:03] <SerajewelKS> before you run update-initramfs, check that /etc/crypttab is correct
3186 [23:24:28] <SerajewelKS> i believe this gets copied into the initramfs so the kernel knows what volumes need to be unlocked in the initrd environment.
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3189 [23:24:59] <SerajewelKS> if possible, specify the source device by UUID instead of /dev path as that could change
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3191 [23:25:56] <SerajewelKS> if you set this all up using the partition editor of the installer then it should have generated it for you
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3193 [23:26:08] <SerajewelKS> if you're doing it by hand, you have to set it up yourself
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3195 [23:26:20] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: so on Debian I am required to place my root partition information in crypttab as well? OMG
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3197 [23:26:43] <SerajewelKS> yes? otherwise how is the kernel to know what to unlock during early boot?
3198 [23:27:06] <SerajewelKS> should it just look around for any and every LUKS partition and ask you to unlock it, even if it doesn't know if it's required to boot?
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3201 [23:27:42] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: well on Arch Linux for example you only use crypttab for any non-root partitions you want to unlock _after_boot
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3206 [23:28:05] <SerajewelKS> then there must be a separate boot crypttab somewhere
3207 [23:28:43] <SerajewelKS> that or the script that builds an arch initrd looks at the current system state to derive the layers around /
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3212 [23:29:59] <SerajewelKS> i prefer manually building a crypttab anyway. perhaps you need a / and a /home to be mounted from different LUKS-encrypted volumes before booting.
3213 [23:29:59] <irreleph4nt> I am going to try and find details on crypttab then
3214 [23:30:05] <irreleph4nt> i.e. what I need to put in there
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3216 [23:30:09] <SerajewelKS> man 5 crypttab
3217 [23:30:18] <irreleph4nt> thanks
3218 [23:30:28] <SerajewelKS> something like "cryptroot UUID=luks-uuid none luks"
3219 [23:30:30] <irreleph4nt> I'll linger around here for a bit in case this also doesn't help
3220 [23:30:48] <SerajewelKS> you can find the UUID with "file -s /dev/$LUKS_PARTITION"
3221 [23:31:09] <SerajewelKS> e.g. mine looks like "sda3_crypt UUID=76378f25-6c1d-4b7c-a8cf-5dedab34dc11 none luks"
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3223 [23:32:40] <SerajewelKS> once that is done, update
3224 [23:32:52] <SerajewelKS> once that is done, "update-initramfs -k all -u" again then try booting
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3231 [23:37:47] <Bundestrojaner> hello. I'm searching for a new Notebook and want to run Debian on it. How is nVidia Optimus supported nowadays if you are willing to use the proprietary nvidia driver?
3232 [23:37:47] <Bundestrojaner> as far as i understand the wikis of debian, arch and ubuntuusers, the nvidia-driver allows you to switch between Intel IGP and nVidia GPU - is that correct? Some Wikis mention display tearing and other problems, does it still occur?
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3234 [23:38:34] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: is sda3_crypt the name of the device within your volume group?
3235 [23:38:57] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: i.e. /dev/mapper/<Group>-sda3_crypt?
3236 [23:39:16] <Bundestrojaner> i don't need any dynamic switching like on windows or as bumblebee tried to implement it (if i got this right)
3237 [23:39:29] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: no, it's the name of the device-mapper name that will be created for the unencrypted volume. e.g. /dev/mapper/sda3_crypt is the LVM PV.
3238 [23:39:49] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: it really doesn't matter much what you put; the LVM prober should find the PV automatically
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3240 [23:40:37] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: this config was generated by the debian installer. it chooses "<physical-luks-device>_crypt"
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3245 [23:41:55] <annadane> Bundestrojaner, the only thing i know about optimus is it requires specific instructions to use the proprietary driver and some people have gotten into trouble following the wiki i think?
3246 [23:42:00] <annadane> otherwise i don't know much about it, sorry
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3248 [23:42:17] <annadane> it's not as simple as "just install the nvidia driver"
3249 [23:42:21] <SerajewelKS> my coworker has an optimus device and never got bumblebee to work correctly
3250 [23:42:26] <SerajewelKS> he fiddled with it for days
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3255 [23:44:23] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: well, all that did not help either
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3257 [23:44:36] <irreleph4nt> I am giving up, Debian is just not worth my time like this
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3259 [23:45:17] <Bundestrojaner> SerajewelKS: that's what i read also. but bumblebee didn't see any development since 2013...
3260 [23:46:34] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: it's possible that the crypttab name must match whatever it's set as in the environment you're running update-initramfs in. e.g. in that case the installer.
3261 [23:47:05] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: I am not sure I understand what you mean
3262 [23:47:08] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: "lsblk" should tell you what that is, e.g. i have "sda3_crypt 254:0 0 232G 0 crypt"
3263 [23:47:24] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: you're running update-initramfs from the installer, yes? after chrooting into your system?
3264 [23:47:32] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: yes
3265 [23:47:40] <annadane> f!@#ing nvidia.
3266 [23:48:01] <SerajewelKS> okay. then the installer opened the LUKS device with a specific name. it's possible that crypttab has to match that for the initramfs-tools-core scripts to notice that it's required to boot.
3267 [23:48:07] <SerajewelKS> lsblk will tell you what that name is
3268 [23:49:05] <SerajewelKS> the initramfs-core-tools scripts do a lot of looking around for things like LVM-in-LUKS
3269 [23:49:19] <SerajewelKS> i assume that your / is specified in fstab by UUID?
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3271 [23:50:47] <SerajewelKS> i've generally left well enough alone with the config the installer generates, except i've *added* encrypted disks
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3273 [23:51:08] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: yes, my fstab references / by UUID
3274 [23:51:08] <Bundestrojaner> annadane: the debian-wiki seems pretty complicated while the ubuntu-wiki says it works out-of-the-box.
3275 [23:51:08] <Bundestrojaner> it seems to be extremely hard to find information about this which is not from ~2014...
3276 [23:51:38] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: ok that's good. i think if the device name in crypttab matches the device name the installer rescue mode uses for the device, it should work.
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3279 [23:51:51] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: let me try that
3280 [23:51:56] <irreleph4nt> thanks man for all the help so far
3281 [23:52:03] <irreleph4nt> has been of great use :)
3282 [23:52:08] <SerajewelKS> but i've never set LUKS up by hand for /
3283 [23:52:17] <SerajewelKS> so i'm kind of doing some educated guessing here
3284 [23:52:22] <SerajewelKS> no problem, this stuff interests me a lot
3285 [23:52:45] <irreleph4nt> as I have said earlier, this is just sooooo much simpler / easier on other distros
3286 [23:52:59] <irreleph4nt> and one of the reasons why I avoid Debian wherever I can to be honest
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3288 [23:53:22] <SerajewelKS> *shrug* i've never had this issue
3289 [23:53:59] <Bundestrojaner> annadane: replaced-url
3290 [23:53:59] <Bundestrojaner> sry, i didn't find this in english
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3294 [23:55:14] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: this stuff doesn't bother me as much because each distro has its own way of configuring boot
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3296 [23:56:08] <SerajewelKS> i like explicitly declaring boot-required LUKS volumes in crypttab, because otherwise you have to make a wild guess about whether a keyfile is required
3297 [23:56:21] <Bundestrojaner> if i got the current situation with optimus right, switching manually between the gpus works out-of-the-box but dynamic switching between them is close to impossible
3298 [23:56:24] <SerajewelKS> if arch detects it all, how can it be sure there's no keyfile for /
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