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6 [00:01:34] <VlanX> Hello! I'm trying to install pico2wave in debian 9 but to no avail. Could someone kindly help me out?
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9 [00:01:46] <Voidablazer> Anyone know Lua here?
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13 [00:03:48] <joepublic> VlanX, are you working from their instructions replaced-url
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19 [00:05:38] <joepublic> dpkg, tell Voidablazer about ask
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21 [00:05:56] <annadane> iovec, emacs 26 can be installed via flatpak if you trust that kind of thing (research it and come up with your own opinion but IMO it's trustworthy)
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23 [00:06:25] <annadane> flatpak is packaged for debian stable and backports
24 [00:06:34] <Voidablazer> joepublic: I want to know the difference between these two
25 [00:06:36] <Voidablazer> replaced-url
26 [00:06:44] <Voidablazer> replaced-url
27 [00:06:50] <Voidablazer> First is a fork of second
28 [00:06:58] <iovec> annadane: ok, thanks (for both)
29 [00:07:57] <VlanX> joepublic: I have also an Ubuntu vm and it's as simple as apt-get install. So is it normal that the procedure in debian is much more complex?
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36 [00:09:00] <annadane> flatpaks are also sandboxed but i don't know how well
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176 [01:44:57] <thither> If I accidentally removed a partition on my HDD during the Windows 10 installation wizard, is there some way I can use gparted to get it back? I'm pretty sure it just removed the partition table entry and didn't wipe anything.
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180 [01:49:13] <valerius> thither just recreate the partition with the same size
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182 [01:49:26] <valerius> at the same place
183 [01:49:54] <thither> I feel like that won't be enough.
184 [01:50:04] <thither> That would be bizarre behavior to have as a default
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186 [01:50:19] <thither> Delete a partition, create new partition - and there's already data in it?
187 [01:50:34] <valerius> why? If you removed only one partition, then you need just recreate it and that's it
188 [01:51:19] <thither> I doubt what the installer did was so low level that it literally just touched the partition table. And I doubt that creating a new partition would also work that way.
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190 [01:51:32] <valerius> When you create a partition, you only create a record in the partition table. You don't touch the data on it
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193 [01:55:19] <valerius> But it is easier if you deleted a primary partition -- you just restore an PT entry in MBR. If you deleted a logical partition, you need to insert the element into EBR chain inside the extended partition. So, you need to know the structure of MBR/EBR's, of course
194 [01:55:22] <watchcat> thither: you can try testdisk
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197 [01:55:45] <thither> It was a primary partition
198 [01:56:13] <valerius> thither then it's simple -- just recreate it
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200 [01:56:42] <thither> Okay
201 [01:56:48] <thither> I'll try testdisk though to see what it says
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215 [02:05:49] <jasabella> hello
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218 [02:07:31] <thither> heyo
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235 [02:16:41] <Intelo_> How much a laptop be constantly used in 24 hours for cpu usage above 70% and 90% ram. A laptop like m6700?
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238 [02:17:02] <jasabella> is apparmor recommended for desktop use or a bit overkill?
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243 [02:24:16] <srukle> apparmor isn't overkill at all
244 [02:24:55] <srukle> the wiki was improved when someone on debian planet made a blog entry about how dms should consider shipping debian with apparmor
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419 [04:18:03] <mns> with 9.6 is it possible to boot from a btrfs partition ? I was thinking of making / be btrfs since I'm doing a new install
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440 [04:52:46] <ozzloy> moo
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442 [04:55:14] <CrystalMath> i feel like i need to vent after reading about the waf build system
443 [04:55:59] <CrystalMath> it makes me so angry that someone can be as evil as its creator
444 [04:56:25] <ozzloy> i like your nick, CrystalMath
445 [04:56:30] <CrystalMath> thank you :)
446 [04:56:40] <CrystalMath> i literally prefer Microsoft NMAKE to waf
447 [04:56:42] <phogg> waf gets a lot of hate
448 [04:56:52] <CrystalMath> Microsoft is less evil than that guy
449 [04:57:05] <ozzloy> is it just a pun, or do you do stuff with math regarding crystals?
450 [04:57:12] * themill points towards #debian-offtopic
451 [04:57:31] <CrystalMath> themill: is it really offtopic? it's specifically about debian
452 [04:57:35] <themill> You'll be interested to know that Debian explicitly avoids using waf in packages replaced-url
453 [04:57:47] <CrystalMath> themill: yes that's good
454 [04:57:55] <themill> So nothing to do with Debian user support.
455 [04:58:08] <CrystalMath> oh, this channel is just for user support?
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457 [04:58:50] <CrystalMath> okay
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461 [05:01:07] <ozzloy> re: waf: "We require source to produce binaries, not the other way round"
462 [05:01:08] <ozzloy> lol
463 [05:02:23] <CrystalMath> to be fair, freebasic has the same problem, it can only be compiled with freebasic
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467 [05:03:03] <ozzloy> not much software avoids this problem, right?
468 [05:03:21] <ozzloy> everything, including compilers, are compiled (these days) by binary compilers
469 [05:03:47] <CrystalMath> right, so
470 [05:03:56] <CrystalMath> maybe the very first gcc was added despite the DFSG
471 [05:04:01] <ozzloy> er.. binaries that are not handwritten
472 [05:04:10] <CrystalMath> and then each subsequent gcc was compiled with the old one
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474 [05:04:26] <trysten> us there a trick to getting firefox audio to work?
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476 [05:04:39] <CrystalMath> trysten: without pulseaudio?
477 [05:04:48] <trysten> i have it installed, at least
478 [05:05:01] <CrystalMath> then it should work afaik
479 [05:05:03] <ozzloy> it could be that there's a small boot strapping core of gcc that could be handwritten into machine code for this very reason
480 [05:05:16] <CrystalMath> trysten: did you check whether audio works in general?
481 [05:05:27] <CrystalMath> speaker test or something
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483 [05:06:44] <CrystalMath> ozzloy: if there was just a binary, it would violate the DFSG
484 [05:06:57] <CrystalMath> i'm quite certain that gcc is always compiled with the old gcc
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486 [05:09:40] <trysten> speaker-test works great
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488 [05:10:19] <rwp> JFTR the first gcc versions to compile linux were running on Minix with gcc compiled with bcc IIRC.
489 [05:10:24] <SerajewelKS> all languages tend to be bootstrapped that way. the mono C# compiler is written in C#. though, mono bootstrapped using microsoft's compiler.
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491 [05:12:15] <rwp> Yes. Cross compilation is what make complex ports possible.
492 [05:12:16] <trysten> i'm failing to pastebin the error from firefox. OpenCubeb() failed to init cubeb
493 [05:13:58] <trysten> nevermind me, i'm signing off. thakn you CrystalMath.
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497 [05:15:33] <ozzloy> then how can you be sure that the resulting binary created by the prior compiler doesn't insert anything shady?
498 [05:16:09] <CrystalMath> ozzloy: well you were sure about the prior one
499 [05:16:37] <ozzloy> idk if i trust bcc
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501 [05:17:17] <ozzloy> also, what compiled bcc?
502 [05:18:15] <ozzloy> oh wow, bcc generates 8086 executable
503 [05:18:42] <davidebeatrici> Hello, I would like to report that the "cabextract" tool is broken on Debian Buster
504 [05:18:57] <davidebeatrici> More specifically, it doesn't extract cabinets correctly
505 [05:19:11] <davidebeatrici> That tool is used for Wine, for example
506 [05:19:30] <davidebeatrici> The tool compiled from source code works
507 [05:19:33] <annadane> davidebeatrici, file a bug repor
508 [05:19:34] <annadane> t
509 [05:19:55] <annadane> and if you're looking for how to fix it, #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is the channel for testing/unstable
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517 [05:23:47] <davidebeatrici> annadane: OK, thank you, I'm filling a bug report right now with "reportbug"
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522 [05:29:46] <WoC> is there a simple way to upgrade a partition from ext2 -> ext4 w/o formatting it ?
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525 [05:30:54] <rwp> ozzloy, You might enjoy reading replaced-url
526 [05:31:29] <themill> WoC: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3; /msg dpkg ext3->ext4
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530 [05:33:41] <rwp> ozzloy, Ah! Here is the paper I was looking for replaced-url
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533 [05:34:31] <ozzloy> "enjoy" isn't quite the right word
534 [05:35:33] <ozzloy> "Perhaps it is more important to trust the people who wrote the software."
535 [05:35:56] <WoC> ty themill ;]
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538 [05:36:12] <ozzloy> you'd have to trust the people that wrote the software that the people who wrote the software that you used
539 [05:36:30] <ozzloy> that you use used*
540 [05:36:43] <ozzloy> and all the way back
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542 [05:37:08] <rwp> It's an interesting problem. And consider that Thompson wrote that back in 1984 and it was the same then as it is now.
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544 [05:38:38] <ozzloy> if a compiler has a small enough bootstrappable portion that a person could write the machine code for it ... on hardware they can build themselves ...
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546 [05:38:49] <ozzloy> this goes back to the hardware
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548 [05:39:47] <ozzloy> how hard is it to build a processor in my garage?
549 [05:40:05] <ozzloy> bootstrapping hardware
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551 [05:44:17] <zumba_ad_> Hi all. I'm wondering why /sbin/shutdown -h now inside a script doesn't run in root's crontab. Is there a security I need to turn off?
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553 [05:45:51] <davidebeatrici> annadane: replaced-url
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555 [05:49:37] <rwp> Building your own small microprocessor core is not that difficult. I built one as a student project. Slow. Small. Simple. Yes. But can be done.
556 [05:50:31] <themill> davidebeatrici: in #914263 there is a suggestion to try with a newer version of libmspack0 from sid. Could you try that out?
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564 [05:51:50] <ozzloy> rwp, replaced-url
565 [05:52:23] <rwp> ozzloy, Again you might find this interesting: replaced-url
566 [05:53:13] <rwp> Interesting stuff.
567 [05:54:01] <rwp> zumba_ad_, As far as I know that is a systemd restriction.
568 [05:54:15] <zumba_ad_> k
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571 [05:57:35] <ozzloy> rwp, woops, meant to link this: replaced-url
572 [05:58:26] <ozzloy> so ... basically this is definitely happening in my computer right now, because why wouldn't it be
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575 [06:01:32] <davidebeatrici> themill: It works, thank you very much!
576 [06:01:59] <themill> davidebeatrici: excellent. Can you follow up to the bug that this is the case?
577 [06:02:03] <davidebeatrici> Sure.
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582 [06:07:38] <davidebeatrici> themill: replaced-url
583 [06:08:01] <themill> thanks
584 [06:08:42] <davidebeatrici> You're welcome.
585 [06:09:05] <davidebeatrici> My bug report is basically a duplicate of #915247.
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590 [06:26:13] <veridiam> anyone have fwupd working in kde discover (testing)?
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596 [06:30:52] <annadane> !debian-next
597 [06:30:52] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
598 [06:30:54] <annadane> veridiam, ^
599 [06:31:20] <annadane> though it may be better to narrow down your question, like what isn't working, but #debian is for stable
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613 [06:41:04] <veridiam> sure, i'll try there. just wanted to see if anyone had it working here, not asking for troubleshooting
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853 [10:58:01] <markc> My friend is running testing and his latest kde/plasma package update gets him a weird login screen that won't accept his password. Any suggestions?
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855 [10:59:07] <markc> I can't get to #debian-next otherwise I'd ask there... are the Plasma 5.14.4 midway to being updated perhaps?
856 [10:59:23] <n4dir> yes, use the channel #debian-next, which is on the oftc network.
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859 [10:59:42] <n4dir> you probably tried #debian-next on freenode.
860 [11:00:24] <iflema> what is he testing?
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863 [11:00:50] <n4dir> first step to troubleshoot would probably be to disable the display-manager and test if startx works instead.
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866 [11:02:38] <n4dir> trying a different display-manager won't hurt too.
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871 [11:04:46] <notenoughcatnip> although, with a full-featured desktop like KDE, there might be services loaded that won't be there when you load it with startx (keychain authentification etc.), so it might be less hassle to try with a different display manager immediately
872 [11:05:16] <n4dir> i meant for troubleshooting.
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874 [11:06:53] <notenoughcatnip> n4dir: I know. Just pointing out that more stuff might appear broken if KDE is started without a full display manager.
875 [11:07:01] <markc> n4dir: thanks, noted... is lightdm worth trying?
876 [11:07:23] <n4dir> yeah, for some odd reasons my first idea is to get rid of display-managers (which is a bit of a sledgehammer method ...)
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878 [11:08:09] <n4dir> markc: not sure. But if other means to start X work, then something is wrong with the kde display-manager can be taken for granted (well: i guess)
879 [11:08:15] <markc> heh, I think a sledgehammer is going to be required by the sounds of it. Maybe a 12 hour wait and another update will fix it.
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881 [11:09:05] <notenoughcatnip> markc: yeah, lightdm should work fine. and running testing/sid is always loads of fun, especially when you just need stuff to work :)
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883 [11:09:13] <n4dir> sure. Also your friend might want to install apt-listbugs (if he hasn't already)
884 [11:09:18] <markc> googling "oftc network"
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887 [11:10:08] <n4dir> search the bug reports too, at bugs.debian.net (no clue which display-manager kde uses these days, back then it was kdm)
888 [11:10:22] <n4dir> probably bugs.debian.org, not sure.
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890 [11:11:31] <notenoughcatnip> it's called SDDM
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893 [11:12:00] <hk238> hmm how can I restart desktop without logging out if I'm using Mate?
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897 [11:12:59] <markc> notenoughcatnip: lightdm, thanks... adding to the armoury
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906 [11:16:19] <n4dir> hk238: not much of a clue of mate, but for example openbox does "openbox --restart", so do man "mate-session" (or such), and search for restart?
907 [11:16:36] <notenoughcatnip> hk238: Ctrl+Alt+Esc I think?
908 [11:16:47] <n4dir> search as in /restart, not by reading the whole page, duh.
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942 [11:43:49] <guerby> ,kernel
943 [11:43:50] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-trunk-686-pae (4.19.5-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-3-686 (4.18.20-2); buster: 4.18.0-3-686 (4.18.20-2); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
944 [11:43:51] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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1159 [14:22:35] <booleanis0> hello! Did one of you ever rename a LUKS/LVM setup? I'm having some issues with correctly renaming my setup..
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1161 [14:23:16] <booleanis0> I've documented what I tried here: replaced-url
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1183 [14:32:37] <bites> booleanis0: the mapper in /etc/fstab will also have to be renamed.
1184 [14:33:07] <bites> or rather changed to the nwe name.
1185 [14:33:13] <bites> *new
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1197 [14:47:48] <JyZyXEL> also, editing grub.cfg and then running 'update-grub' seems pointless..
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1199 [14:48:35] <RonWhoCares> I've configured the IP address 10.9.1.1 on my server. It pings on the server but I can't ping it on the network. Any ideas what I should be doing?
1200 [14:49:22] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: when you say "it pings on the server", are you talking about pinging the server, *from* the same server?
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1205 [14:50:46] <RonWhoCares> BCMM: Correct. What I mean is after I entered the IP into the eth0 file but before I restarted networking it didn't ping on the same server; now it does.
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1207 [14:51:38] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: ok. what range of addresses does your network use?
1208 [14:51:51] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: what is the ip address of your router, and what is the subnet mask?
1209 [14:52:32] <RonWhoCares> Shoot. I've just made a broader discover
1210 [14:52:34] <RonWhoCares> y
1211 [14:53:34] <RonWhoCares> My router - gateway is 192.168.0.1. I am migrating web sites from development into production. Development web sites use 192.168.0.###. Production web sites use 10.#.#.#
1212 [14:53:49] <RonWhoCares> I see I can't ping any 10.#.#.# sites
1213 [14:54:14] <RonWhoCares> I don't think I've tried before now
1214 [14:54:30] <jasabella> what's yoru routing table looking like? (i.e. ip route)
1215 [14:55:02] <jasabella> your*
1216 [14:55:14] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: do you have existing production sites? how do they work?
1217 [14:55:39] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: is there perhaps a physically separate network for production, with its own router?
1218 [14:56:05] <RonWhoCares> replaced-url
1219 [14:56:22] <RonWhoCares> Right now it is all on one network
1220 [14:56:36] <RonWhoCares> I will be splitting it later
1221 [14:56:50] <RonWhoCares> The server IP is 192.168.0.52
1222 [14:57:11] <RonWhoCares> The IP I am trying to configure for is the web site rons-home.net
1223 [15:00:29] <jasabella> that doesnt sohw your routing table, just your interfaces
1224 [15:02:30] <RonWhoCares> Would the result of "ip route "help?
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1226 [15:04:04] <booleanis0> ok so I did vgrename, lvrename and edited grub.cfg as well as the fstab files. I still get the same errors on boot
1227 [15:04:07] <RonWhoCares> I still have to setup the router - dhcp server
1228 [15:04:47] <RonWhoCares> replaced-url
1229 [15:05:01] <jasabella> RonWhoCares… the routing table shows which interface the kernel will use for a given destination
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1234 [15:08:08] <RonWhoCares> jasabella: Can I add a route for the 10.*.*.* websites?
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1238 [15:11:00] <jasabella> what does "ip link" show?
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1240 [15:11:25] <jasabella> i'm not sure of this line: 10.9.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 10.9.1.1
1241 [15:11:38] <jasabella> given you have iface eth0:7 inet static
1242 [15:11:38] <jasabella> address 10.9.1.1
1243 [15:11:43] <jasabella> but i'm not familiar with the :7 part of hte name
1244 [15:12:17] <RonWhoCares> jasabella: replaced-url
1245 [15:13:52] <RonWhoCares> eth0:"7" means it is a subset
1246 [15:13:55] <jasabella> i should be more explicit about where these commands should be run :)
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1249 [15:15:17] <RonWhoCares> Should I try: "10.9.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 10.9.1.1"
1250 [15:15:35] <RonWhoCares> I don't know tons about networking
1251 [15:15:46] <RonWhoCares> I've been running a huge amount of learning during the start of the server setup
1252 [15:15:49] <jasabella> i'd imagine it should read 10.9.1.0/24 dev eth0:7 proto kernel scope link src 10.9.1.1
1253 [15:15:54] <jasabella> but i dont kno a lot either
1254 [15:16:01] <RonWhoCares> ok
1255 [15:16:11] <jasabella> the interface name should match
1256 [15:16:12] <RonWhoCares> I do have a friend who will be on when it is morning in Australia
1257 [15:16:19] <RonWhoCares> +-8 hours
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1259 [15:17:17] <jasabella> so on the host that cant hit the server, that's where you run ip route right?
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1261 [15:18:02] <jasabella> or did you run ip route on the server itself?
1262 [15:18:26] <RonWhoCares> No, I ran it on a desktop Linux within terminal
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1279 [15:32:50] <RonWhoCares> jasabella: I am sure I just have to program my desktop Linux to find that part of the network
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1315 [15:43:03] <Manis> Hi. How can I close a bug I opened in the Debian bug-tracker?
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1330 [15:51:26] <jasabella> RonWhoCares… if it's a routing table issue you'll need something like ip route replace 10.9.1.0/24 via [some address]
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1361 [16:21:07] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: what do you mean by "splitting" the network? is there actually a router, anywhere, that knows about your new subnet? how is it *supposed* to connect to the existing network?
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1363 [16:21:46] <RonWhoCares> BCMM: Right now there is an actual router
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1368 [16:22:24] <RonWhoCares> BCMM: I have not told it about the 10.#.#.# IP addresses
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1370 [16:22:53] <RonWhoCares> By "splitting" i mean / meant having 192.168.0.# IP's and the "10" range
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1374 [16:24:44] <RonWhoCares> I only need the 10.#.#.#. available on this linux desktop
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1400 [16:53:33] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: ok. i assume that, physically, every computer is plugged in to the router, and only the router?
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1402 [16:54:43] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: wait what do you mean about the 10.* addresses only needing to be available on one machine?
1403 [16:56:21] <RonWhoCares> BCMM: I am using 10.* IP addresses for production web sites. (192.* includes all web sites under development). My purpose in *only* this linux desktop having access to the 10.* ip addresses is just to do some basic testing before going from the development web site (which is currently live) to the actual production web site
1404 [16:56:33] <RonWhoCares> Does my thought process make sense?
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1406 [16:57:09] <RonWhoCares> Basically I am in the midst of overhauling my entire network. I will be going to all 10.* IP addresses during the next few months. Right now I am trying to keep the network running and facing the issues of the short term.
1407 [16:57:30] <nsk_nyc> does anyone know how to solve "iptables: Operation not supported." bug that shows up with basically any argument in iptables? Been taking a crack at this for a bit
1408 [16:57:48] <RonWhoCares> BCMM: Once a web site is live I can use the domain name to access it on other devices within the next work.
1409 [16:58:56] <nsk_nyc> even iptables --list returns that
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1413 [17:03:15] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: a domain name is not an alternative to an ip address
1414 [17:03:26] <BCMM> it still has to map to a working ip address
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1418 [17:04:30] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: but anyway, if you want to have access just from that one machine, and don't want to configure a router to enable that access, you could look at some sort of vpn or tunnel between the two machines
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1420 [17:04:42] <BCMM> (over the existing, working address)
1421 [17:05:11] <RonWhoCares> BCMM: I don't mind the whole network having access to 10.* ... It is going to be needed in a few months. I just don't know how to do this myself
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1539 [18:51:16] <jelly> RonWhoCares: it depends. Are the client(s) and the server on the same physical network segment right now?
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1559 [19:02:28] <Error451> just a random question : is VulumIO built on Debian ? .. I see Jessie in packages
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1561 [19:03:02] <Error451> VolumIO doesn't have a channel apparently so can'ask there
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1563 [19:03:14] <Error451> *can't ask
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1572 [19:07:37] <RonWhoCares> jelly: Everything is on the same physical network using ethernet cables
1573 [19:08:44] <jelly> RonWhoCares: can configure a second ip on the cliet, using the same network and netmask as the server, and you're done
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1576 [19:08:51] <jelly> s/can/then/
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1579 [19:09:32] <jelly> do not configure a "gateway", just ip address and netmask
1580 [19:10:54] <jelly> Error451: what is VolumIO?
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1582 [19:11:25] <Error451> VolumIO is an audio player for RasPi
1583 [19:11:40] <Error451> *audio player OS really
1584 [19:13:09] <Error451> well .. sorry , not just RasPi, they support x86 etc. too , but I use it on a RaspberryPi with Hifiberry HAT
1585 [19:13:31] <Error451> just thought somebody might know
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1587 [19:14:50] <Error451> anyway, this might not be the correct channel to ask this, I'll ask in #raspberrypi
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1589 [19:15:36] <RonWhoCares> jelly: Are you refering the the server or my LInux laptop
1590 [19:15:57] <jelly> RonWhoCares: the client.
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1593 [19:17:02] <RonWhoCares> Is this done on the server?
1594 [19:17:09] <RonWhoCares> OOPS
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1596 [19:17:50] <RonWhoCares> My laptop is ubuntu 18.04
1597 [19:18:02] <jelly> a client is a system connecting to a server.
1598 [19:18:10] <RonWhoCares> OK
1599 [19:18:24] <RonWhoCares> I didn't mean to ask twice. I scrolled back and didn't think my message posted :P
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1602 [19:19:24] <jelly> RonWhoCares: you can ask #ubuntu channel about the correct way to configure a secondary IP address on ubuntu 18.04
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1610 [19:22:06] <RonWhoCares> jelly: Thank you Jelly
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1617 [19:24:22] <jelly> once you both endpoints have a 10.9.1.x/24 address configured they'll be able to talk to each other on the one network segment
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1640 [19:34:26] <annadane> what's a good session manager for openbox? (to allow me to save the state of what windows are currently open and load them after login)
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1653 [19:44:42] <jhutchins> I ended up with a GPT after running the installer with the EFI options selected, but it won't boot in EFI mode, still looking for the Windows bootloader. When I boot in legacy mode, I get the message "Invalid partition table!". If I press escape, I get a normal boot.
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1656 [19:45:06] <jhutchins> What I don't understand is if I'm booting in legacy mode and only have a GPT, why is it working?
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1668 [19:50:18] <annadane> never mind
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1672 [19:52:24] <jhutchins> I could use gdisk to copy the GPT to the MBR, but I hesitate to fix it when I don't understand it.
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1741 [20:26:22] <jelly> annadane, did you find one?
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1744 [20:26:53] <annadane> jelly, no, i just wanted one temporarily and then gave up
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1746 [20:27:02] <annadane> i'll just do some research
1747 [20:27:10] <jelly> jhutchins, which grub-* package variant is installed?
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1754 [20:28:18] <jhutchins> Looks like the EFI version.
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1756 [20:29:00] <jhutchins> Oops, no, grub-pc, grub-common, and grub2-common.
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1760 [20:31:51] <jhutchins> grub-pc-bin too.
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1763 [20:33:04] <jhutchins> So that's the BIOS version.
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1765 [20:35:02] <oo_miguel> after reinstalling debian an app I run via javaws appears very tiny on my 4k monitor. (however I remeber that it was fine before). Any suggesitons how to fix this again?
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1795 [20:54:02] <lexiyntax> Did you end up installing Java 8 instead of 9 or newer? replaced-url
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1821 [21:11:28] <annadane> i really don't understand why flatpak (backports) can't detect the repository i added
1822 [21:11:58] <annadane> flatpak install flathub org.gnu.emacs - error: Remote "flathub" not found
1823 [21:12:14] <annadane> i did flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub replaced-url
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1825 [21:12:57] <annadane> i'll just go bug #flatpak i guess
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1828 [21:14:02] <at0m> annadane: maybe /topic flatpak
1829 [21:14:12] <at0m> ah you were ahead =)
1830 [21:14:22] <at0m> was bugging alis to ask about it
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1832 [21:15:27] <at0m> err /topic #flatpak
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1841 [21:18:12] <Intelo> Sending mail via echo "My message" | mail -s subject user@mail.com works fine but when I send via a thirdpart nodemailer (nodejs lib), it says lost connection after RCPT. 451 4.3.0 <user@mail.com>: Temporary lookup failure;
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1865 [21:33:22] <annadane> it is for reference, flatpak remote-add --user --if-not-exists flathub replaced-url
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1867 [21:33:40] <annadane> if you install it per user you need to add the remote repo as --user
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1870 [21:36:14] <annadane> remind me in future not to ask completely boneheaded ridiculous questions...
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1872 [21:37:01] <oo_miguel> lexiyntax: java -version tells me: opendjdk 1.8
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1888 [21:54:20] <oo_miguel> lexiyntax: thank you for your answer and it seems very plausble that I was running java 9 oder 10 before so the scaling worked fine. from what I see the jnlp support was dropped in java 11 which is another problem I face now.
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1900 [22:00:56] <lexiyntax> That sucks, I was aware they were dropping the web browser extensions, but JNLP is a quite nice Swing application deployment method.
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1902 [22:02:36] <oo_miguel> lexiyntax: unfortnuatelly... this is at least how I understand it. thank you anyway for pointing out the reason it used to work.
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2014 [23:15:46] <jhutchins> annadane: Asking completely boneheaded ridiculous questions in a public forum is the quickest way to figure out what you're missing.
2015 [23:16:17] <jhutchins> annadane: Works all to often for me.
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2038 [23:27:21] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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2040 [23:28:38] <dury> anyone did install xscrennsaver on stretch and configured for autostart app?
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2053 [23:37:34] <akk> A while back, I subscribed somehow to updates for bugs on a specific package. Is there a way to unsubscribe from those updates? I can't find one.
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2055 [23:38:06] <akk> The emails don't have a footer with information about that.
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2064 [23:45:33] <iflema> reply with unsubscribe in the subject and body?
2065 [23:45:50] <akk> Worth a try ...
2066 [23:46:16] <iflema> see what comes back
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2069 [23:48:39] <dury> akk, busy?
2070 [23:49:09] <akk> So far, nothing coming back, so if they process unsubscribes they don't do it immediately.
2071 [23:49:18] <akk> dury: ?
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2074 [23:50:05] <akk> But actually I think there's something wrong with the bug email system now (I'm getting quadruple copies of messages, the reason I started being bothered by this)
2075 [23:50:19] <akk> which might mean that unsub messages are stacking up too.
2076 [23:50:59] * akk goes off to run an errand while waiting
2077 [23:51:12] <dury> akk, mmm... xscreensaver do you know how to autostart it, when you switch on the system?
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2079 [23:51:54] <akk> dury: Um, put it in your .login or window manager autostart maybe? why ask me specifically?
2080 [23:51:55] <dury> did anyone configured it successfully
2081 [23:52:04] * akk really goes to run errand
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2084 [23:53:48] <dury> window manager autostart where is it?
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2088 [23:55:13] <annadane> dury, depends on your window manager?
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2090 [23:56:39] <dury> annadane, thanks for answer, it's gnome
2091 [23:57:12] <annadane> do you want xscreensaver specifically or gnome's? it probably has oe
2092 [23:57:14] <annadane> one*
2093 [23:57:33] <annadane> i don't use gnome so it's kind of hard for me to answer, i guess i could fire up a VM and check...
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2095 [23:57:53] <dury> annadane, just xcreensaver
2096 [23:58:21] <annadane> ok, i'll let someone else answer it then
2097 [23:58:22] <dury> annadane, just xscreensaver
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2099 [23:58:51] <annadane> only because i don't know whether it uses xscreensaver by default
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2101 [23:59:01] <annadane> and i wouldn't know how to get it to use a different one if not
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