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9 [00:02:40] <jhutchins> I think it's probably something I'm doing wrong.
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12 [00:03:31] <jhutchins> First time I didn't have network, so I may have picked some wrong setting to get around it. Second time I had to leave for work, and it may have gotten bumped back to that step.
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14 [00:04:07] <jhutchins> The thing is that debootsttrap fails to overwrite a previous run.
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32 [00:05:59] <jhutchins> Made it to "Select and install...".
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36 [00:06:22] <somiaj> so you aren't reformatting your install partition each time?
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46 [00:08:57] <jelly> (how) can I tell sort to stop sorting at specific key and if the lines have identical values in the sort key, keep the original order? eg. printf "1 c\n1 b\n0 a\n"|sort -k1n ... should NOT order "1 b" before "1 c"
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58 [00:12:29] <Ede|Popede> jelly: never did it myseld i think, but: KEYDEF is F[.C][OPTS][,F[.C][OPTS]] for start and stop position
59 [00:12:34] <Ede|Popede> at least for GNU sort
60 [00:13:07] <Ede|Popede> with OPTS being ordering options [bdfgiMhnRrV]
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68 [00:15:10] <mebus> Hi! Why does nftables say: "zsh: parse error near `}'" !?
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72 [00:17:05] <mebus> ah... it's a shell problem :-P
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74 [00:17:55] <somiaj> well I think it is a problem with the script
75 [00:18:15] <somiaj> and the shell is erring out due to not being able to parse things correctly
76 [00:18:40] <somiaj> (though such a thing could occur if script is written for bash and you are using zsh)
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78 [00:18:44] <Ede|Popede> hm. only sort seems to ignore the stop signal
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81 [00:22:15] <mebus> ok. How do I make nftables rules persistent?
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84 [00:22:59] <bites> jelly: sort -k1n -s
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87 [00:23:55] <bites> "The --stable (-s) option disables this last-resort comparison so that lines in which all fields compare equal are left in their original relative order."
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89 [00:24:32] <jelly> !win bites
90 [00:24:33] <dpkg> Congratulations, bites! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
91 [00:24:54] <bites> thanks, i hate it.
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93 [00:25:15] * RoyK wonders how many interesting viruses that would be included in such a set ;)
94 [00:25:48] <InvisibleRasta> is buster a good option fo rmy laptop or shall i stay on stretch? is it stable enought to be used as daily without any issues?
95 [00:26:07] <jelly> if it was stable enough it would be released.
96 [00:26:16] <jelly> and called stable, literally
97 [00:26:22] <InvisibleRasta> i see
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100 [00:26:53] <jelly> but it's not called stable. It's called testing. That means it's not stable yet.
101 [00:26:57] <RoyK> InvisibleRasta: it all depends on how much you want the newest and fanciest stuff
102 [00:27:02] <RoyK> !sns
103 [00:27:02] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
104 [00:27:20] <annadane> anecdotally people have used testing and unstable fine. and then further anecdotally they've also run into problems. stable comes with more of a guarantee; if you want to use your computer for work and not fixing stuff when it breaks, use stretch
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106 [00:27:45] <InvisibleRasta> yeah i like stretch
107 [00:27:46] <annadane> it probably has what you want
108 [00:27:50] <jelly> have two computers and break them one at a time
109 [00:27:57] <koollman> people also have used stable and run into problems. But less often ;)
110 [00:28:00] <InvisibleRasta> even tho im using an unofficial DE.. still havent had any weird things happening
111 [00:28:14] <annadane> new stuff is overrated for the most part
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113 [00:28:48] <hyperlumic> !sns
114 [00:28:48] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
115 [00:28:57] <annadane> was already posted. ^
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118 [00:29:13] <RoyK> hyperlumic: one minute before you ;)
119 [00:29:32] <hyperlumic> Doh!
120 [00:29:34] <annadane> (or if you are going to use stuff pick a distro which specializes in new stuff. by all means use testing or sid if you want to file bugs to make debian stable better, though)
121 [00:29:41] <annadane> use new stuff*
122 [00:29:58] <somiaj> InvisibleRasta: a lot depends on use case, buster is getting more and more relaible (and will freeze early next year I belive) so if you need newer software or want to test the newer features, it works fairly well. It does lack security support and depending on software you use, have very grave bugs.
123 [00:30:16] <annadane> transition freeze is january and i think soft freeze is march IIRC
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127 [00:31:06] <annadane> there are exceptions to what i said but if you have to ask "i need something good enough for general purposes" just use stable and save the headache
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132 [00:32:53] <InvisibleRasta> yeah i am on stabl ein fact and like it alot. havent had any issues except the install part.
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135 [00:34:24] <watchcat> run a buster guest vm on a stretch host. bobw.
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137 [00:34:37] <annadane> bobw...?
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139 [00:35:03] <watchcat> best of both worlds.
140 [00:35:06] <annadane> ah
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142 [00:35:48] <InvisibleRasta> watchcat, with vmware?
143 [00:36:05] <watchcat> qemu/kvm preferably.
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145 [00:36:20] <somiaj> qemu-kvm is a nice way to run vms on linux, built into the kernel, no extra modules (and not needing nonfree software like vmware)
146 [00:36:31] <annadane> i use virt-manager for virtualization. it's fine.
147 [00:36:32] <InvisibleRasta> and virtualbox?
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149 [00:36:51] <annadane> despite my utter hopelessness and stupidity with understanding general virtualization concepts
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152 [00:37:00] <watchcat> same probs as vmware.
153 [00:37:05] <somiaj> virtualbox is okay, it is basically free software (though lives in contrib), biggiest issue I have with it (besides being controlled by oracle) is needing a thrid party module.
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155 [00:37:20] <somiaj> virtualbox is at least almost free, unlike vmware
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158 [00:37:35] <somiaj> well virtualbox is fully free (just requires non free to build the bios)
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168 [00:39:39] <watchcat> rarely is one method better in about every way, but qemu/kvm qualifies. and like annadane said, virt-manager makes using it easy.
169 [00:39:58] <annadane> it has its own shell called virsh
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171 [00:40:31] <annadane> but yeah, i like virt-manager. once you understand how to use it it becomes less baffling, like everything i suppose
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173 [00:40:33] <InvisibleRasta> ah virt-manager is a gui frontend to quemu kvm
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175 [00:40:37] <annadane> indeed
176 [00:41:01] <InvisibleRasta> nice
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179 [00:42:15] <InvisibleRasta> ill give it a shot
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190 [00:50:22] <InvisibleRasta> annadane, have you seen this error in virt-manager replaced-url
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192 [00:50:55] <annadane> don't know, what are you trying to do?
193 [00:51:34] <InvisibleRasta> creating a VM
194 [00:52:03] <annadane> ask someone smarter like anyone else in this room :P i'm a dummy
195 [00:52:06] <annadane> anyone know?
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210 [00:55:22] <InvisibleRasta> i might have to start some service?
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212 [00:55:33] <InvisibleRasta> i jsut isntalled virt manager and tried to make a vm
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216 [00:57:39] <annadane> what i do with virt-manager from a fresh install is: 1) add my user to the kvm libvirt and libvirt-qemu groups, modprobe -r kvm-intel modprobe -r kvm (i have an intel processor), modprobe kvm kvm-intel, that tends to make it work
217 [00:58:10] <annadane> otherwise i get strange user permission errors
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219 [00:58:58] <InvisibleRasta> allright i did that
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221 [00:59:11] <InvisibleRasta> i have to reboot i think
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223 [00:59:17] <InvisibleRasta> for the user group changes
224 [00:59:26] <annadane> that's why the modprobe -r and modprobe steps, so you don't have to
225 [00:59:47] <jelly> InvisibleRasta, just log off and back on for group memberships
226 [00:59:57] <InvisibleRasta> oki
227 [01:00:00] <InvisibleRasta> brb
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235 [01:02:03] <InvisibleRasta> thatworked :)
236 [01:02:31] <watchcat> virt-manager is kind of quirky and unintuitive in places, but you'll figure it out.
237 [01:03:00] <jhutchins> When I boot this newly installed Dell Latitude (legacy boot), I get "Invalid partition table". If I press Esc I get a normal Debian boot.
238 [01:03:34] <jhutchins> I think it has something to do with the UEFI setup from Windows. The EFI partition is still there but Windows is gone.
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241 [01:04:23] <jhutchins> !uefi
242 [01:04:24] <dpkg> Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. replaced-url
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247 [01:06:44] <InvisibleRasta> virtmanager feels snappier than virtualbox
248 [01:06:53] <InvisibleRasta> to be honest... jsut faster
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256 [01:09:27] <annadane> i tend to go for free solutions when i can
257 [01:09:32] <annadane> the exception being intel-microcode
258 [01:10:02] <jelly> no free alternative for that so you're safe
259 [01:10:07] <annadane> yep
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261 [01:11:07] <InvisibleRasta> to connect to the VM's X i can use vnc or there is better solutions? this is on my private network anyway
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267 [01:13:33] <annadane> not sure what you mean by connect to x
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269 [01:13:58] <InvisibleRasta> well if i have X running on the guest machine... can i connect to it from another pc?
270 [01:14:07] <annadane> ah. sorry.
271 [01:14:08] <InvisibleRasta> what is th ebest solution? i know only vnc
272 [01:14:09] <annadane> i'm dumb.
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275 [01:14:22] <InvisibleRasta> srry im not english
276 [01:14:25] <Sveta> InvisibleRasta there is also x2go
277 [01:14:32] <Sveta> InvisibleRasta vnc is ok too
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280 [01:15:14] <annadane> no no, your question was perfectly intelligible
281 [01:15:23] <annadane> i just wildly misinterpreted it, that's my faul
282 [01:15:23] <annadane> t
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284 [01:15:59] <watchcat> oh, and make sure your cpu virtualization is enabled in bios if you want the vm to fly.
285 [01:16:30] <watchcat> for me it's iommu enabled
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296 [01:22:54] <InvisibleRasta> nice
297 [01:22:57] <InvisibleRasta> thank you
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308 [01:31:53] <mebus> How can I allow connections to a certain tcp port only from a certain IPv6 Subnet?
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312 [01:32:03] <mebus> in nftables on Debian ?
313 [01:32:16] <hyperlumic> mebus: iptables/ufw can easily do that.
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315 [01:32:27] <hyperlumic> Oh, in nftables.
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318 [01:32:49] <mebus> yep :D nftalbes :D
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320 [01:34:02] <hyperlumic> I hate nftables, so I have no idea.
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324 [01:36:00] <hyperlumic> But probably something like 'ip saddr x:x:x:x::/64 dport xxx accept'
325 [01:36:20] <hyperlumic> s/dport/tcp dport/
326 [01:36:26] <hyperlumic> s/ip/ip6/
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328 [01:36:56] <hyperlumic> ip6 saddr x:x:x:x::/64 tcp dport xxx accept
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330 [01:37:47] <hyperlumic> That's just a wild guess, so definitely check/test the crap out of that, if I'm even anywhere close.
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383 [02:14:08] <Ameisen> Wasn't able to get my Windows machine talking to the Debian machine via NFS
384 [02:14:15] <Ameisen> samba worked though
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547 [04:27:08] <Kremator> hey folks, which was the last version of debian to still support privative AMD flgrx drivers?
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568 [05:00:14] <m0rd3cai> hey has anyone here used Stubby (dns over tls)? I can find more than enough docs on how to setup stubby server but no info on how to setup dns on local machine to use stubby. anyone have any experience
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581 [05:24:20] <watchcat> not sure what stubby needs but i could tell you how to set up dnsmasq for local caching dns.
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593 [05:39:45] <m0rd3cai> watchcat: its a loopback server run off my router which accepts connections on port 5453 and uses TLS instead of DNSSEC. i have the server running fine, I cant find any documentation on how to tell my laptop or dhcp server how to use the stubby server on 5453
594 [05:40:05] <m0rd3cai> do i just put 192.168.1.1:5453 in the dns field?
595 [05:40:48] <m0rd3cai> its takes unencrypted dns requests and sends them to specified stubby compatible servers (cloudflare) wrapped in TLS
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599 [05:45:39] <watchcat> you set that in resolv.conf, but it usually gets overwriten by dhcp or various other things. you can try putting it in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
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603 [05:48:48] <watchcat> something like supersede domain-name-servers #.#.#.#:#, #.#.#.#:#;
604 [05:49:16] <watchcat> the seever ips on a separate line though
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607 [05:51:14] <watchcat> and you would just append those two lines to the end of the file.
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663 [06:34:36] <milossh> hi. I've two displays on my stretch. if I click four times on terminal icon, it opens 4 terminal windows so that they take up 100% of my main screen
664 [06:35:36] <milossh> now, my secondary screen has different resolution, and I want the same behavior for that screen, ie open 4 terminal windows in it, or somehow group these terminal windows
665 [06:35:40] <milossh> is that possible?
666 [06:35:57] <milossh> xfce, fwiw
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680 [06:52:31] <milossh> btw, how do you use terminator?
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756 [08:30:03] <teaearlgraycold> Why do people put /home on a different partition?
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758 [08:31:04] <azi`> I am reading a guide that is supposed to help me make a bootable USB of a custom debian setup. In the guide it asks to detect the USB disk dev file (/dev/sda1) for me
759 [08:31:18] <azi`> then one needs to run parted, and here its where I get the following error
760 [08:31:27] <azi`> Error: Error opening /dev/sda: No medium found
761 [08:31:29] <teaearlgraycold> The USB drive is probably not sda...
762 [08:31:39] <azi`> what could be causing this?
763 [08:31:43] <teaearlgraycold> azi`, did you check fdisk to see what drives are available?
764 [08:31:49] <azi`> teaearlgraycold: hm
765 [08:31:53] <teaearlgraycold> sudo fdisk -l
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767 [08:32:49] <azi`> teaearlgraycold: this is the output replaced-url
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769 [08:33:32] <WoC> teaearlgraycold, /home is sometimes put on it on partition to prevent the system from running out of space due to users
770 [08:33:35] <azi`> teaearlgraycold: you might want to put /home on a diffeent partition so that you can smothly install different versions/distributions etc.. updating or re-installing the system then does not affect you
771 [08:33:46] <teaearlgraycold> azi`, doesn't look like you have a USB drive available
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773 [08:34:10] <azi`> teaearlgraycold: but its pluged, I just unmounted it
774 [08:34:11] <teaearlgraycold> Thanks for the answers
775 [08:34:19] * teaearlgraycold shrugs
776 [08:34:23] <teaearlgraycold> fdisk doesn't see it
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778 [08:34:27] <azi`> hm
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780 [08:34:55] <azi`> if I keep it mounted, fdisk shows it
781 [08:34:56] <azi`> Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type
782 [08:34:56] <azi`> /dev/sda1 * 8064 30277631 30269568 14,4G 83 Linux
783 [08:35:04] <teaearlgraycold> Yeah looks about right
784 [08:35:07] <azi`> but then in order to follow the guide I need to unmount
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786 [08:35:40] <teaearlgraycold> Only thing I can guess is that the interface you're connecting the drive through has shitty drivers
787 [08:35:53] <azi`> hm
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790 [08:36:13] <sjamaan> tarzeau: I don't understand why it should fail. We do install -m 644 ./csc.mdoc "/var/replaced-url
791 [08:36:16] <teaearlgraycold> If you have a different type of port you can plug it in to that might run through a different device with different drivers
792 [08:36:29] <sjamaan> So the destdir should have the man page
793 [08:36:35] <teaearlgraycold> USB2.0 instead of 3.0, or use a type-C adapter, something like that
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796 [08:37:58] <WoC> azi`, try lsblk or blkid - as root
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830 [09:15:25] <azi`> WoC: that's what lsblk has to say replaced-url
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832 [09:16:18] <azi`> and blkid replaced-url
833 [09:16:33] <azi`> note that this happens when i press the unmount button in gnome
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835 [09:18:40] <WoC> hmmm
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837 [09:20:12] <WoC> it is supposed to be a usb cd-drive attached with a cd in it ?
838 [09:20:55] <azi`> no
839 [09:20:58] <azi`> just a usb key
840 [09:21:32] <WoC> i dont think your usb drivers are loaded
841 [09:21:49] <WoC> try lsusb
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844 [09:23:14] <azi`> yep thats it Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0951:1666 Kingston Technology DataTraveler G4
845 [09:23:25] <azi`> the device i mean
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848 [09:24:44] <WoC> it should show up with blkid and lsblk as well, if all drivers are ok
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852 [09:27:12] <WoC> as root; try modprobe usb-storage
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854 [09:27:27] <WoC> and then blkid
855 [09:27:36] <WoC> see if it shows up
856 [09:27:43] <WoC> if not.... gtg
857 [09:27:55] <WoC> Sat Dec 1 02:27:54 CST 2018
858 [09:28:01] <WoC> sleep time here
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860 [09:28:32] <azi`> WoC: sounds like this might work
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862 [09:28:54] <WoC> gr8, good luck
863 [09:29:18] <azi`> hm.. nope replaced-url
864 [09:29:23] <azi`> blkid not showing anything
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868 [09:31:09] <milossh> when I get error in starting service, 217/USER, what does that mean, permissions?
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937 [10:15:33] <cheche> Good Morning, is there any other browser that support java in debian?. Firefox have drop their support on the latest update.
938 [10:16:04] <cheche> I need to access and old Access point that requiered java
939 [10:16:19] <Wulf> cheche: install some ancient OS in a VM.
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941 [10:16:37] <Wulf> and replace your AP.
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943 [10:17:31] <cheche> Wulf: I tried that. but it is a bit more complex. I am tunneling using ssh -L9000:192.168.1.2:80 remote.site -N
944 [10:18:04] <cheche> Wulf: so when I try to acceso from the VM the port is not open
945 [10:18:24] <Wulf> cheche: why do you need any ssh tunnels for your VM?
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947 [10:19:25] <jethro> cheche: use ssh -g -L ...
948 [10:19:26] <cheche> Wulf: oh, sorry. I am ssh from debian to a remote site. the VM is windows xp and I tried to connect to debian ip but the port is closed.
949 [10:20:25] <cheche> jethro: that works ! thanks!
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951 [10:21:33] <cheche> stilll, there is not a java browser somehow
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967 [10:34:18] <velix> Is there a way to make "apt search" just work on the package's title? 99% aren't in the scope of what I'm looking for.
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969 [10:35:19] <Wulf> "if --names-only is given then the long description is not searched, only the package name and provided packages are"
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972 [10:36:02] <velix> Wulf: thanks a lot!
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974 [10:36:33] <velix> I'll make this default in m bash.rc
975 [10:36:58] <velix> Wulf: it works! great. Wow. Thanks.
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977 [10:37:03] <Wulf> you're welcome.
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988 [10:46:06] <tarzeau> sjamaan: the csc.mdoc is a manual page?
989 [10:46:16] <tarzeau> sjamaan: is it generated?
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994 [10:53:57] <trysten> so i installed kitty. it works ok until I ssh to another debian server
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997 [10:54:27] <trysten> then, backspace stops working. most programs complain about `cannot find terminfo entry for xterm-kitty`
998 [10:55:32] <trysten> do i need to install kitty to the host machine so it has the term info?
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1217 [13:10:14] <tarzeau> sjamaan: aha
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1219 [13:12:08] <tarzeau> sjamaan: i see the problem now there's a debian/*manpages that wants to install it with source being csc.1 but it's csc.mdoc
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1221 [13:13:07] <tarzeau> sjamaan: rebuilding with that manpages installer removed...
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1236 [13:29:25] <strk> all of a sudden my scp calls behave in a weird way: they quickly report 100% but never end, and on the other side the filesize is always 0
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1238 [13:29:41] <strk> any idea what could trigger this ?
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1244 [13:31:49] <strk> doesn't happen with a simple text file
1245 [13:31:55] <strk> but does happen with an executable
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1264 [13:41:02] <tarzeau> sjamaan: it built!
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1266 [13:41:18] <tarzeau> sjamaan: can you install the packages to see if it works?
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1338 [14:49:50] <EmleyMoor> Anyone around who might be able to help me with a network/NetworkManager problem? I am completely unable to get my IPv6 addresses to work on my bridge0 interface, as of today. They stick at "tentative"
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1349 [15:02:36] <jelly> strk, similar symptoms can happen if you have very little upload bandwidth for a file; just wait until it's finished
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1357 [15:11:39] <BCMM> jelly: what's the mechanism for it reporting 100%? does it mean the whole file is sitting a network buffer somewhere or something?
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1362 [15:14:31] <jelly> no idea. It's just another broke progress bar.
1363 [15:16:24] <at0m> to be sure (especially on usb sticks, SD cards), sync after completion. sometimes buffer is filled but not emptied
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1393 [15:49:57] <rk[ghost]> anyone have a "definitive guide to unicode" ? (command line (bash), ssh, screen/tmux, xmodmap, ect?)
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1402 [15:52:45] <tarzeau> sjamaan: i've also rebuilt it with some other updates in the 9 sub directory, now the package is almost ready for official, the manpages need get installed too though
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1492 [16:58:49] <doublehp> which package owns /bin/netcat ?
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1503 [17:05:30] <booyah> doublehp: apt-file search /bin/netcat
1504 [17:05:31] <joepublic> doublehp, to find out: dpkg -S /bin/netcat
1505 [17:05:53] <doublehp> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /bin/netcat
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1508 [17:06:52] <joepublic> oh, it's a symlink to /etc/alternatives/netcat
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1510 [17:08:23] <joepublic> on my system that's a symlink to /bin/nc.openbsd which belongs to pkg netcat-openbsd (but I am not running debian so check yours)
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1535 [17:21:57] <joepublic> well, xord depends on them.
1536 [17:22:06] <joepublic> s/xord/xorg/
1537 [17:22:20] <joepublic> or you could install xfonts-base ?
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1574 [17:46:44] <BCMM> rk[ghost]: what about unicode? i mean, most software in debian is just sorta going to support it by default at this point
1575 [17:46:50] <BCMM> rk[ghost]: if you set an appropriate locale, anyway
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1583 [17:55:01] <rk[ghost]> what i mean is somethign that tells me how to set it, shows me how to get fonts (within debian framework), tells me how to configure it so it works over ssh, works with screen, works with tmux, and then goes as far as how to set up hotkeys for the different unicode symbols with xmodmap
1584 [17:55:10] <rk[ghost]> i forget how all that works, as it has been a while.
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1603 [18:08:43] <strk> jelly, at0m ... I'm scp'ing in a LAN, so bandwidth cannot really be the problem
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1606 [18:09:19] <strk> there, I just tried again and it worked fine (A->B)
1607 [18:09:26] <strk> 100% 2665KB 11.1MB/s 00:00
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1609 [18:09:57] <azi`> I've created a tiny debian "live cd" using the debootstrap comand. now any time I run the live USB I em prompted with the login screen
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1611 [18:10:09] <strk> B->A gives the same exact symptoms
1612 [18:10:10] <azi`> is there a way to set debian to always start x automatically?
1613 [18:10:17] <strk> 100% 2043KB 136.2KB/s 00:15 # and counting
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1615 [18:10:33] <strk> 100% 2043KB 60.1KB/s 00:34
1616 [18:10:35] <joepublic> azi`, yes, there are multiple ways.
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1618 [18:10:46] <strk> it's like it stops transferring after 2043KB, so it never ends
1619 [18:10:53] <strk> something destrois the connection from B->A
1620 [18:10:55] <joepublic> most involve things with "dm" on the end of the name, such as lightdm
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1622 [18:10:58] <azi`> joepublic: i am looking for the most simple option possible, the live cd is created with a bash script
1623 [18:10:59] <strk> while A->B scp works gret
1624 [18:11:39] <strk> running scp on A, to _fetch_ from B, also stalls
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1626 [18:11:51] <joepublic> well, do want x to start automatically for your user, or x to start automatically before anyone logs in
1627 [18:12:31] <azi`> joepublic: so right now after the usb loads I am prompted with the usual tty login
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1629 [18:12:43] <azi`> i'd like it to start with the X screen, root user already logged in
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1634 [18:14:05] <strk> it's probably unrelated, but ssh into B (the machine _from_ which scp stalls) gives me a broken terminal, where backspace echoes to screen [001B]g
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1640 [18:16:21] <n4dir> azi`: no clue if this works, all i know the how-to is there: replaced-url
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1642 [18:17:40] <azi`> n4dir: thanks
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1664 [18:29:39] <pipo65> help
1665 [18:30:33] <pipo65> someone has idea about dns ??
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1670 [18:34:36] <annadane> Did Not Stay (in channel)
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1672 [18:35:03] <n4dir> lol.
1673 [18:36:29] <srukle> lol
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1681 [18:40:03] <strk> my scp issue ended up with: packet_write_wait: Connection to 192.168.1.82 port 22: Connection timed out
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1684 [18:40:18] <strk> what could be so destructive of a connection, only in one way ?
1685 [18:40:23] <strk> (the other way works great)
1686 [18:41:15] <nunojpg> is there a recommended way of having a .deb package refusing to install in a old distribution?
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1688 [18:42:04] <jhutchins> nunojpg: Are you trying to force it to install or to prevent it from installing?
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1690 [18:42:45] <nunojpg> jhutchins: prevent. I want to build packages that will be very hard to install in the wrong distribution.
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1693 [18:43:17] <jhutchins> Make a dependency on the current version of some other package.
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1696 [18:43:45] <jhutchins> nunojpg: Why would you want to do that though? Wouldn't it be better to have the package compatible across several releases?
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1704 [18:47:05] <nunojpg> jhutchins: with dpkg -i it is installed and replaces a previously installed package. It fails at configuration level with unmet dependencies. I want to fail before it replaces anything.
1705 [18:47:15] <strk> oh.. replaced-url
1706 [18:47:25] <strk> there *might* be a reason related to terminal or whatnot
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1717 [18:54:28] <jhutchins> nunojpg: Make it check the dependencies. I'm not sure of the details, but that's the right thing to do anyway.
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1723 [18:55:50] <jhutchins> I'm sure you've seen something fail with "foo depends on libfoo>=1.12.3 but libfoo is not available" (something like that).
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1734 [19:04:29] <strk> I must have a filename with unprintable character or something
1735 [19:04:38] <strk> as even a `ls -a` makes my terminal unusable
1736 [19:04:46] <strk> some killing control char
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1739 [19:06:07] <strk> cat .bashrc-backup # makes my terminal unusable
1740 [19:07:37] <strk> and I cannot even copy that file to the machine from which I'm using it, as any attempt to scp stalls
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1742 [19:08:34] <joepublic> perhaps less .evil-file to see what's viewable. or view with midnight commander (mc, select file, f3)
1743 [19:10:55] <strk> gah, this is really frustrating, it's not even always stopping at the same line
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1745 [19:11:04] <strk> sometimes it shows nothing, sometimes it shows some lines
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1747 [19:11:19] <strk> it's like the TCP connection drops all of a sudden, upon receiving some message
1748 [19:11:33] <strk> The following packages will be upgraded: openssh-client openssh-server openssh-sftp-server
1749 [19:11:36] <strk> let's see if that helps
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1752 [19:12:17] <strk> did not
1753 [19:12:22] <at0m> strk: you don't need openssh-sftp-server for scp
1754 [19:12:31] <at0m> if you can ssh, you can scp
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1756 [19:12:58] <strk> the above happened when I did: apt-get install ssh
1757 [19:13:03] <strk> anyway, didn't help
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1761 [19:14:19] <strk> gah, even cat known_hosts hangs
1762 [19:14:28] <strk> that file is 32360 bytes
1763 [19:15:06] <strk> cat /etc/issue # works
1764 [19:15:08] <strk> cat /etc/hosts # hangs
1765 [19:15:20] * strk goes doing it on the actual machine terminal
1766 [19:15:52] <jelly> strk, if your tcp connection stalls on _any_ quick, large output, that sounds like MTU issues
1767 [19:16:02] <jelly> strk, try ls -lR /
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1769 [19:17:11] <strk> from the local machine everything works fine
1770 [19:17:39] <strk> ls -lR / # also works fine from the _local_ machine, now getting back to the other machine, to check terminal
1771 [19:18:09] <strk> I confirm, from the ssh session (from the other machine) ls -lR / stops almost immediately
1772 [19:18:17] <strk> total 753372 # and hangs there
1773 [19:18:25] <strk> cannot even kill with ^C
1774 [19:18:27] <fred``> i want to have vsftpd and pure-ftp installed at the same time, but the apt always announces to uninstall 'the first' ftpd when trying to instell 'the second' one. these ftps will listen on different ports. how to install them both at the same time ?
1775 [19:18:41] <strk> it just took the terminal control, stsalling it forever. Any idea jelly ?
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1777 [19:18:52] <jelly> strk, right. are ssh client and servers systems on the same local network segment, or is there one or one router or similar network elements in between?
1778 [19:18:55] <strk> I've no idea what changed, as it usually worked
1779 [19:19:06] <strk> there's a router in between, which today had connection problems
1780 [19:19:12] <strk> maybe something changed in the router configuration
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1782 [19:19:19] <strk> it's an ADSL modem
1783 [19:19:23] <strk> netgear
1784 [19:19:52] <strk> it did have unexpected configuration changed in its lifetime (it's a linux based appliance if I understood correctly)
1785 [19:20:15] <jelly> strk, manually lower MTU on the ssh client interface that faces towards ssh server, to, say, 1280, and try again
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1787 [19:21:09] <jelly> ip l set eth0 mtu 1280
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1790 [19:21:54] * strk never heard of "ip" command before, nice !
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1792 [19:22:01] <jelly> previously: ifconfig eth0 mtu 1280
1793 [19:22:12] <strk> oh
1794 [19:22:37] <strk> current mtu is 1500 on both sides
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1799 [19:23:45] <strk> jelly: it seemed to work
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1801 [19:24:12] <strk> scp now also works perfectly
1802 [19:24:18] <strk> now to find out what changed, and why
1803 [19:24:28] <strk> jelly: does this sound like something that changed on the router ?
1804 [19:24:40] <strk> there's also a switch involved, but that's probably too dummy to have a role here
1805 [19:24:49] <jelly> could be any network element in between
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1808 [19:27:26] <jelly> there's a thing called pMTUd on linux supposed to figure out changes in MTU transparently, but it requires coopreation from network elements (in particular, not blocking some icmp traffic)
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1817 [19:32:59] <strk> I'm going to see if the router GUI tells me anything about mtu of its interfaces
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1820 [19:33:20] <strk> "A router firmware upgrade is available" .. uhm
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1832 [19:35:25] <strk> MTU size setting I only find in WAN setup, not LAN setup
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1834 [19:35:33] <strk> it's set to 1458 there
1835 [19:35:46] <jelly> you said ADSL modem, that usually means there are lots more network elements between you and some machine somewhere on the internet
1836 [19:36:26] <strk> weird value
1837 [19:36:36] <strk> both machines are on the LAN
1838 [19:36:44] <strk> so outside internet is not really involved here
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1840 [19:36:57] <strk> but I bet that value 1458 has a role here
1841 [19:37:04] <jelly> unlikely
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1843 [19:37:11] <strk> still, the failure was just in one side communication, not the other
1844 [19:37:13] <strk> uhm
1845 [19:37:17] <strk> A -> B worked
1846 [19:37:20] <strk> B -> A did not
1847 [19:37:25] <strk> both A and B MTU was set to 1500
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1849 [19:37:36] <strk> setting B MTU to 1280 fixed it
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1852 [19:37:56] <jelly> if they're on local LAN then MTU issues are unusual
1853 [19:37:57] <strk> both A and B are connected via ethernet cable to this router
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1856 [19:38:28] <jelly> that kind of implies the router is doing more than just simple bridging between two ports
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1859 [19:39:18] <jelly> might want to ask ##networking for more clues
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1861 [19:39:32] <strk> I tried setting MTU back to 1500 and I again hav ethe problem
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1863 [19:39:47] <strk> there: setting it to 1458 fixes it again
1864 [19:40:02] <jelly> and 1480? :-)
1865 [19:40:18] <strk> 1460 is enough to break it
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1867 [19:40:33] <strk> 1458 is the value I find in the router GUI (http based)
1868 [19:40:48] <strk> only, it is in the WAN section, whereas I cannot find any MTU setting in the LAN section
1869 [19:40:59] <strk> these linux things are always unfriendly :P
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1871 [19:41:06] <jelly> the thing might indeed by buggy enough to impose that setting across the board
1872 [19:41:12] <strk> I bet if I change the WAN MTU back to 1500 things will work again
1873 [19:41:22] <strk> will try that
1874 [19:41:23] <jelly> that would be silly and break LAN traficc
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1877 [19:41:55] <jelly> strk, if you change WAN MTU you might break your internet connectivity
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1881 [19:42:57] <jelly> configuring an ADSL router correctly however is out of scope for #debian
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1883 [19:44:09] <strk> jelly: I'm still here
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1886 [19:44:16] <strk> wan mtu 1500
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1888 [19:44:32] <strk> now I can set machine's mtu to 1500 and things work again
1889 [19:44:33] <strk> damn router
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1891 [19:44:40] <jelly> maybe you are, becuase irc traffic is low and comes in small packets
1892 [19:44:44] <strk> it's always like that, one day it starts having "red" leds, then something breaks...
1893 [19:44:48] <strk> ok, good point
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1896 [19:45:12] <strk> I should ask if my provider changed MTU of the router, is that possible to do ? the router is mine...
1897 [19:45:15] <jelly> but try downloading and uploading something in MB size
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1909 [19:47:19] <strk> jelly: so I'm going to lower this back to 1458...
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1979 [20:32:32] <annadane> Conflicts: ftp-server
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1982 [20:33:06] <fred``> yes - but it there a way to install them both ?
1983 [20:33:29] <fred``> *but is there
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2056 [21:22:18] <storrgie> is there a way to use backports with apt, or is apt-get -t required?
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2059 [21:23:17] <hyperlumic> apt -t <repo> install package
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2061 [21:23:24] <Zavoli> HEY! YOU ALL iNViTED very GOOD Server IRC '' quakenet ORG '' #Freenode #Philosophy #LoVe #apple #DALnet #Freenode Comon please fun time :)<<>> quakenet ORG
2062 [21:23:38] <hyperlumic> !ops Zavoli Spamming multiple channels.
2063 [21:23:38] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: hyperlumic complains about a problem (see above)
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2065 [21:23:54] <storrgie> hyperlumic, in this case would <repo> be `backports`?
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2069 [21:24:29] <hyperlumic> storrgie: stretch-backports or whatever repo you've configured in sources.list.
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2073 [21:26:23] <storrgie> hyperlumic, is it possible to do a `stable-backports` or does it have to be release specific?
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2078 [21:27:14] <hyperlumic> It SHOULD be release specific, as should your sources.list.
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2084 [21:31:20] <annadane> storrgie, your sources list should be stretch-backports, not stable-backports
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2087 [21:31:35] <annadane> your sources list should also say stretch and not stable
2088 [21:31:48] <annadane> because what happens when stretch no longer is stable, replaced by buster?
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2104 [21:42:24] <storrgie> annadane, thanks, thats good advice
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2106 [21:42:32] <storrgie> I'm doing my first install of ZFS on debian stretch, I'm wondering if there is a particular reason that out of the box these services wouldn't be able to start (replaced-url
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2118 [21:47:14] <RoyK> storrgie: root on zfs?
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2121 [21:48:41] <storrgie> not planning on it, just want to use it for other disks
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2124 [21:51:13] <storrgie> it appears that the kernel module isnt loaded when I reboot the system
2125 [21:51:31] <SerajewelKS> did you update the initramfs after installing zfs
2126 [21:51:58] <storrgie> I did not (however I didn't see that in the guide
2127 [21:52:07] <storrgie> err, doc
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2133 [21:53:29] <storrgie> `apt -t stretch-backports install zfs-dkms zfsutils-linux`, reboot, `lsmod | grep zfs` no module loaded
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2141 [21:56:10] <storrgie> apparently this is going on --> replaced-url
2142 [21:56:11] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2150 [22:02:41] <tpo2> When building dia, a C app, with dpkg-buildpackage in jessie, the build runs through without a failure. So there's very little is logged to the console. However I'd like to see the build logs none the less. However no .build file is produced. How can I force dpkg-buildpackage to show me the build logs (what gcc is doing etc.)?
2151 [22:02:43] <reber> Heyall, how to get the same environment in the crontab than with the real user plz ?
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2156 [22:04:26] <tpo2> reber, maybe `man login` could be useful to you?
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2194 [22:30:53] <jhutchins> ,v xfdesktop4
2195 [22:30:54] <judd> Package: xfdesktop4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.3-2; jessie: 4.10.2-3; stretch: 4.12.3-3; buster: 4.12.4-2; sid: 4.12.4-2; experimental: 4.13.2-1
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2199 [22:34:18] <jhutchins> When I boot my new 9.6 install on a previously UEFI laptop, I get "Invalid partition table!". If I press escape, I get a normal boot.
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2201 [22:34:59] <jhutchins> I suspect that this may be because I have both a GPT and an MPT. Can anyone confirm that that might be the cause and tell me what tool to use to fix it?
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2218 [22:49:48] <jhutchins> Is there a tool that can tell me if I have both partitiont tables and remove the GPT?
2219 [22:50:08] <jhutchins> Crud, sorry 'bout that.
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2223 [22:53:37] <Lambertini> Can anyone help me with apache and wsgi ?
2224 [22:53:44] <annadane> Lambertini, only if you ask
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2226 [22:54:37] <Lambertini> annadane :D sure
2227 [22:54:41] <Lambertini> I am trying to configure wsgi with virtualhosts, but it is not working
2228 [22:54:54] <Lambertini> i try follow this steps
2229 [22:54:55] <Lambertini> replaced-url
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2233 [22:56:50] <Lambertini> i make active vitualhosts with a2ensite and reload, but dont work, i see only the script appears and not the hellow word message
2234 [22:57:34] <Lambertini> but if I configure it directly in apache.conf, it works, but I lose all other languages like php
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2259 [23:11:12] <tpo2> Lambertini, are you sure your virtual host config is loaded? Put some error in it and apache will complain, if it is loaded. Virtual host configuration files need to follow some nomenclature, so maybe you got the naming wrong?
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2265 [23:13:46] <Lambertini> tpo2 yah he works allrigth, return other folders
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2269 [23:15:26] <jhutchins> Lambertini: you might find apache2ctl -t, apache2ctl -S useful.
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2311 [23:40:51] <jhutchins> Lambertini: Yeah, at first, but once you figure it out it makes sense. Make good use of the Apache documentation on the web.
2312 [23:41:11] <cluelessperson> hm, I'm trying to add a user to the sudoers file so they can run a command as another user
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2314 [23:41:23] <cluelessperson> zabbix All=(application) NOPASSWD: /var/application/client.sh
2315 [23:41:28] <cluelessperson> however it still asks the password
2316 [23:41:30] <cluelessperson> don't know why
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2318 [23:41:49] <cluelessperson> su - zabbix; sudo -u application /var/application/client.sh
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2321 [23:43:32] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: iirc the ALL=(ALL) is <user>=(<host>)
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2328 [23:49:51] <iovec> Is there any timeline on when emacs 26 will be uploaded to experimental
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2330 [23:51:09] <tpo2> iovec, wouldn't it be better to ask the maintainer(s)?
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2333 [23:52:57] <joepublic> yeah they love answering that kind of stuff
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2342 [23:58:13] <annadane> iovec, they're working on it but it involves something like rebuilding other packages
2343 [23:58:19] <annadane> i'm not sure about the details
2344 [23:58:42] <annadane> replaced-url
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