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39 [00:23:42] <fareast> hello
40 [00:23:53] <fareast> help my netinstall dropped to busybox. I am on mbr bios it gave up waiting for root file system device.... any suggestions?
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48 [00:29:55] <Brigo> vz
49 [00:31:18] <Brigo> fareast, any other error?
50 [00:31:25] <Brigo> about disks, partitions, etc
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53 [00:32:10] <fareast> no I am just going to download a full xfce
54 [00:32:17] <fareast> I am writing it now
55 [00:32:25] <fareast> we will see what happens
56 [00:32:39] <fareast> tell me debian over ubuntu or open suse....
57 [00:33:02] <fareast> I am making decisions regarding a distro at the moment
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59 [00:33:38] <Brigo> fareast, are you installing from a usb?
60 [00:33:41] <fareast> yes
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62 [00:33:45] <fareast> si senor
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65 [00:34:56] <fareast> I am ready for whatever comes my way but I need to get this thing to boot first.
66 [00:35:40] <fareast> Its an old dell core 2 vostro desktop
67 [00:35:42] <Brigo> fareast, how do you create that usb?
68 [00:35:45] <fareast> the 220
69 [00:35:58] <fareast> I am using multiwriter in solus
70 [00:36:14] <fareast> fat32 i believe
71 [00:36:15] <Brigo> i don't know what's that.
72 [00:36:29] <fareast> its an iso writer that writes to multiple usb sticks
73 [00:36:35] <fareast> i am just using it for the one
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75 [00:37:10] <fareast> solus is running bugie its pretty nice.
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77 [00:37:14] <Brigo> fareast, i'm not sure it is the right one for debian isos.
78 [00:37:28] <fareast> do i have to run a debian iso writer?
79 [00:37:35] <Brigo> debian isos are meant to be just copied to the usb.
80 [00:37:37] <fareast> it booted once before.
81 [00:37:47] <fareast> well that is what it is doing i believe
82 [00:37:56] <fareast> it just makes a fat32 partition and extracts the iso into the drive
83 [00:38:03] <Brigo> just try with cp if you could.
84 [00:38:14] <Brigo> fareast, that's not going to work
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86 [00:38:29] <Brigo> you need to cp netinstall.iso /dev/sdx
87 [00:38:36] <Ede|Popede> it extracts the *files* into the fat partition? if so, no chance.
88 [00:38:54] <fareast> hmm
89 [00:38:58] <fareast> why so different
90 [00:39:08] <fareast> i have written linux lives before with this program.
91 [00:39:28] <Ede|Popede> the iso must be as is at the start of the usb (note: not at the start of the fs on it)
92 [00:39:30] <Brigo> fareast, yes debian isos are different.
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95 [00:39:43] <fareast> o.O
96 [00:39:51] <fareast> ok if it fails I will try it.
97 [00:39:51] <scatterbrainz> evening
98 [00:40:02] <Ede|Popede> or a copy of the iso and then a bootloader (like for multiboot)
99 [00:40:33] <Ede|Popede> ahoi scatterbrainz
100 [00:40:47] <fareast> I thought the bootloader was built into the iso.
101 [00:41:11] <fareast> weird thing is it is saying that my system booted efi
102 [00:41:16] <agio> I've copied installer files into a FAT partion then booted into the installer no problem
103 [00:41:18] <fareast> its not a uefi system
104 [00:41:23] <Ede|Popede> right, but how is your pc supposed to find it if it is *somewhere* on the stick? ;)
105 [00:41:32] <scatterbrainz> how's everybody :)
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108 [00:41:41] <fareast> I am going to point the bios to the usb
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111 [00:42:05] <fareast> from my understanding most bios will boot from fat32 but not ntfs
112 [00:42:08] <agio> Ede|Popede: find what?
113 [00:42:13] <Ede|Popede> to the stick, yes (F12 for the boot menu on my other PC). but *where* on the stick is the bood record?
114 [00:42:17] <Ede|Popede> * boot
115 [00:42:21] <scatterbrainz> fareast: you trying to install debian?
116 [00:42:25] <fareast> sure
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118 [00:42:35] <Ede|Popede> scatterbrainz: debian's up and running, only coffee level is too low as usual
119 [00:42:46] <scatterbrainz> ah
120 [00:43:00] <fareast> I am going to do this fellas
121 [00:43:10] <scatterbrainz> i was watchin a tube video on .. .linode ...apparently it can mask your public IP ?
122 [00:43:12] <fareast> <--- technician
123 [00:43:23] <scatterbrainz> fareast: can i ask you a daft question?
124 [00:43:27] <agio> for BIOS the MBR exists in the 1st 512 bytes of the blck device
125 [00:43:38] <scatterbrainz> did you by chance use etcher to create a bootable ISO ?
126 [00:43:38] <fareast> agio thanks
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128 [00:43:48] <Brigo> replaced-url
129 [00:43:48] <fareast> I didn't use that
130 [00:43:53] <scatterbrainz> :)
131 [00:44:00] <fareast> I just used some other open source writer
132 [00:44:03] <scatterbrainz> that's how I did it
133 [00:44:12] <fareast> whatever came up in the distros software repo
134 [00:44:18] <scatterbrainz> it took me a while, but I got debian on raid1
135 [00:44:19] <scatterbrainz> :)
136 [00:44:46] <hypn0> was it worth it :-/
137 [00:44:51] <fareast> I have gotten different flavors of linux on my toaster but try dual booting win10 forget it.
138 [00:44:52] <agio> you can use syslinux to install a 2nd stage of the bootloader in to a FAT partition- which contains debian installer
139 [00:44:56] <fareast> they botch the bootloader
140 [00:45:04] <fareast> at uefi level
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142 [00:45:18] <fareast> have they fixed that yet?
143 [00:45:32] <fareast> since you know microsoft loves linux right...
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145 [00:45:34] <scatterbrainz> hypn0 > yes only because I refuse to be defeated
146 [00:45:36] <scatterbrainz> LOLOL
147 [00:45:37] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone
148 [00:45:51] <Ede|Popede> fareast: you got your own cylon? wow ;)
149 [00:45:52] <rocketmagnet> what libraries do i need to have 3d support for my nvidia driver ?
150 [00:46:07] <rocketmagnet> the installer tells me he can't find a destination for the libraries
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152 [00:46:18] <rocketmagnet> what 32bit libs do i need ?
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155 [00:47:02] <fareast> yeah i have this evil robot demon on my shoulder it always tells me what to do.
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158 [00:48:02] <fareast> I am similar to linus when he says he is too aggressive and ends up hurting people. lol
159 [00:48:03] <Ede|Popede> agio: what would be the most painless method to do a multiboot? would it be enough to throw a iso to the stick and modify grub.cfg?
160 [00:48:29] <scatterbrainz> can apache hide my public ip?
161 [00:48:34] <fareast> smart people are like poodles you can tell them to do something and they will look at you like "why should i"
162 [00:48:39] <fareast> lol
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164 [00:49:08] <agio> Ede|Popede: multiboot of what the installers? or actual OS's?
165 [00:49:23] <fareast> I am just playing i respect your guys opinions I might not agree with them but I respect them.
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168 [00:50:00] <Ede|Popede> agio: live images. just to be able to compare them without the need of a box full of stix. or to have some of them on the keychain or so
169 [00:50:23] <rocketmagnet> i found the soution on the web
170 [00:50:29] <rocketmagnet> thanks anyway
171 [00:51:13] <fareast> ok this is what I want to know I get to the boot menu select "Graphical Install" and it just pauses there on the boot menu?
172 [00:51:18] <fareast> is it doing something in background?
173 [00:52:02] <Ede|Popede> i guess it is unpacking the image for the graphic install
174 [00:52:06] <scatterbrainz> my head hurts
175 [00:52:10] <fareast> that is my guess
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177 [00:52:19] <fareast> but why not breakout a shell and show it?
178 [00:52:19] <Ede|Popede> don't remember how long it took here when i used it
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180 [00:52:45] <fareast> usb 2.0 patience... lol
181 [00:52:57] <fareast> yeah there it is
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183 [00:53:39] <agio> Ede|Popede: right, yes. you need to configure the bootloader to jump into each live ISO's kernel, initramfs and root fileles system
184 [00:53:42] <scatterbrainz> can someone help me out with some server questions?
185 [00:53:48] <fareast> it always seems like november I start installing linux distros.
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187 [00:54:06] <Brigo> !anyone
188 [00:54:06] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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190 [00:54:40] <Ede|Popede> agio. thanks. that makes it easier to finally start it. did it before, but no idea how long ago. don't even remember the images i've put onto the stick (or still a dvd?) :>
191 [00:54:43] <Brigo> rocketmagnet, you need the nvidia-driver package from the non-free repository
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193 [00:55:04] <scatterbrainz> if i'm running debian and I have apache2, and maria/mysql: how would I make a cloud server, that I could copy a database to, would that sit on apache? or sit by itself, and how would node-express/jsx - work with apache ....? if someone can help me with some detailed info :)
194 [00:55:04] <fareast> I think this graphics card is going to be a serious hurdle.
195 [00:55:25] <rocketmagnet> whats the runtime that init the network interfaces ? init 3 ?
196 [00:55:44] <fareast> looks like one of those hp dual monitor cards the old ones.
197 [00:56:01] <fareast> I think it might be a radeon of some sorrt.
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199 [00:56:35] <Brigo> rocketmagnet, not in debian, anyway, with systemd there is not init stages anymore but "targets"
200 [00:56:43] <Ede|Popede> scatterbrainz: i'd say let some serverside scripts running on apache use the db. and allow local access to it only. iirc this is also what the mysql book stated i've read years ago
201 [00:56:50] <Brigo> rocketmagnet, maybe graphic.target is what you are looking for.
202 [00:57:06] <Ede|Popede> scatterbrainz: and never forget lil bobby tables
203 [00:57:21] <rocketmagnet> Brigo: i'm using the binary drivers
204 [00:57:45] <Brigo> rocketmagnet, ?
205 [00:58:03] <Brigo> you mean not from debian?
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209 [00:59:24] <scatterbrainz> ok, but node-express does that sit on apache?
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211 [01:00:16] <Ede|Popede> scatterbrainz: serverside, extends node.js - so yes
212 [01:00:33] <rocketmagnet> Brigo: yes
213 [01:00:47] <rocketmagnet> i'm using the geforce binray drivers for the nvidia site
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216 [01:01:11] <Brigo> !frankendebian
217 [01:01:11] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
218 [01:01:15] <Ede|Popede> the question is: is it sent to the client? is it mentioned in a <script> tag or in another JS? if now, it is server side. and local to the webserver.
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220 [01:02:29] <Brigo> rocketmagnet, anyway, i have to go, good luck.
221 [01:02:45] <scatterbrainz> Edel: can we chat pvt for a second?
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227 [01:04:19] <Ede|Popede> scatterbrainz: if you mean me... sure. but note: i am a honest person! (or at least try to be... sometimes g*)
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306 [01:37:53] <rocketmagnet> thanks for your help, gn8
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328 [01:51:16] <fareast> oh wow debian is trying to start,
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330 [01:51:33] <fareast> and it did
331 [01:51:47] <fareast> so using my write method to usb worked.
332 [01:51:49] <dvs> \o/
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335 [01:52:49] <fareast> ok well off to debian we go.
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345 [01:59:33] <Starz0r> what should I do if I use the debian ARM64 port and get this whenever I try to install anything? replaced-url
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347 [02:00:03] <Starz0r> oh this isn't #raspbian
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349 [02:00:29] <Starz0r> oh well, the same thing applies, I got no answers from then asking twice, and apt in verbose mode doesn't give me any details
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360 [02:06:20] <SerajewelKS> Starz0r: means you have no apt sources with the package. make sure you have the proper sources in your sources.list and "apt update"
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400 [02:27:34] <racar> hey guys, any ideas why when i start docker on debian 9 + network-manager they create 2 new route and one of them i don't want "0.0.0.0" to gateway "0.0.0.0". How i can control that ? dhcp issue ? network-manager ? thx
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403 [02:29:06] <scatterbrainz> should I remove a .ssh key ?
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405 [02:29:51] <scatterbrainz> how do you determine which key your using ? \
406 [02:30:25] <joepublic> do you mean a key to a remote host with you as the ssh client, or do you mean as your sshd
407 [02:30:35] <scatterbrainz> remote host
408 [02:30:49] <scatterbrainz> i was trying to ssh-copy-id said key already existed but I made a new one 4096
409 [02:30:57] <scatterbrainz> so do I have to go into the linux box to remove ?
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411 [02:31:43] <Starz0r> SerajewelKS: I ran both apt-get update and apt-get clean, both didn't help me here
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413 [02:32:03] <Starz0r> I'm really confused on why the machine refuses to install despite having a valid sources.list
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416 [02:32:45] <joepublic> Starz0r, can you reach the hosts listed in that valid sources.list, for example, to ping them?
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418 [02:33:16] <Starz0r> joepublic: yes
419 [02:33:38] <scatterbrainz> hrmmm the question is which set of keys is accurate
420 [02:33:41] <scatterbrainz> :(
421 [02:33:43] <QR> which os do you advice for running web server and mail server ? i've kvm nvme ssd. thinking between debian stable or ubuntu. i used only debian before.
422 [02:33:45] <joepublic> when you apt-update does it happily contact them?
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424 [02:34:06] <Starz0r> joepublic: yes
425 [02:34:12] <Starz0r> here is my sources.list if you need replaced-url
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427 [02:34:37] <Starz0r> also my error is listed here: replaced-url
428 [02:34:40] <joepublic> no, i believe you. just trying to rule out obvious things
429 [02:36:16] <scatterbrainz> is it wise to delete all ssh keys and just create 1 for my macbook as a remote
430 [02:36:21] <scatterbrainz> right now I have 12
431 [02:36:22] <scatterbrainz> LOLOL
432 [02:36:30] <scatterbrainz> :|
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434 [02:37:12] <Krennic> lol
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438 [02:38:26] <scatterbrainz> correction i think i have even more
439 [02:38:32] <SerajewelKS> Starz0r: other possibilities include the listed repositories not having that package
440 [02:38:45] <scatterbrainz> yeah i do
441 [02:38:47] <scatterbrainz> i got a ton of them
442 [02:39:05] <Starz0r> SerajewelKS: not having make for arm64?
443 [02:39:12] <Starz0r> literally gnu make
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453 [02:46:03] <Starz0r> I can install some packages doing package_name:arm64, but I literally shouldn't need that prefixed, this makes no sense
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457 [02:48:25] <Starz0r> aaaaaaaaaaaand, everything is fucked, it uninstalled useful programs trying to install gcc:arm64
458 [02:48:32] <Starz0r> how delightful
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460 [02:49:27] <WoC-> Say, what's the meta name for kde ? as in; apt install <kde-something> ?
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463 [02:49:52] <Starz0r> is there a simple way to install arm64 packages without having to prefix them so I don't ruin my system again
464 [02:50:00] <dvs> ,v kde-full
465 [02:50:01] <judd> Package: kde-full on amd64 -- wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; jessie: 5:84; stretch: 5:92; buster: 5:102; sid: 5:102
466 [02:50:07] <WoC> dvs ty
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468 [02:50:13] <dvs> yw
469 [02:50:25] <dvs> ,v kde-standard
470 [02:50:26] <judd> Package: kde-standard on amd64 -- wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; jessie: 5:84; stretch: 5:92; buster: 5:102; sid: 5:102
471 [02:51:25] <Krennic> xfce is the best falvor on debian
472 [02:51:37] <Krennic> flavor
473 [02:51:40] <Krennic> *
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475 [02:51:57] <WoC> lxde is pretty nice too
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477 [02:52:36] <dvs> !start a dm war
478 [02:52:37] <dpkg> xdm is the one true way!
479 [02:52:46] <WoC> twm ;]
480 [02:53:08] <Krennic> i haven't tried lxde i dont like gnome
481 [02:53:20] <Krennic> mate is cool too
482 [02:53:24] <WoC> fixing to try lxqt
483 [02:53:31] <WoC> but lxde is nice
484 [02:53:39] <WoC> even more so on ppc64
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486 [02:53:44] <jngk> hi; I've goofed a debian install. for some reason, in my grub.cfg I have a kernel parameter pointing to a partition on a non-existent block device, root=/dev/sde1 (as opposed to /dev/sda1)
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489 [02:54:28] <jngk> so, I know the change that may fix it (s/sde/sda/), but at the head of grub.cfg, I'm warned that the file is autogenerated, and I shouldn't change anything therein
490 [02:54:46] <WoC> edit /etc/default/grub
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492 [02:55:02] <jngk> I've had a look at the files grub.cfg is purported to be generated from - /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d, but find no reference to /dev/sde
493 [02:55:35] <WoC> ran update-grub ?
494 [02:55:45] <jngk> no - should I?
495 [02:55:48] <WoC> Aye
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497 [02:56:32] <WoC> just make sure your /etc/default/grub is good
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504 [02:59:54] <Starz0r> any ideas on the arm64 problem?
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506 [03:00:31] <WoC> Starz0r, cross compiling ?
507 [03:00:42] <Starz0r> WoC: nope, apt packages
508 [03:00:54] <Starz0r> just nuked my system by accident because apt refuses to do the right thing
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510 [03:01:02] <WoC> so for you, arm64 should be the default arch ?
511 [03:01:07] <Starz0r> yeah
512 [03:01:22] <Starz0r> it's the only available repo in my sources.list
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514 [03:01:50] <WoC> Hmmm, i'll check on my system... which is ppc64 btw
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516 [03:03:07] <Starz0r> ppc64?
517 [03:03:12] <Starz0r> you usin a old mac?
518 [03:03:18] <WoC> G5 :)
519 [03:03:23] <WoC> DP
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521 [03:03:36] <Starz0r> who would even maintain packages for ppc64
522 [03:03:39] <WoC> all 64 bit :)
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524 [03:03:55] <Starz0r> I don't think there are any mainstream or consumer ppc64 CPUs or Motherboards?
525 [03:04:00] <WoC> running pre-release debian 10
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527 [03:04:11] <Starz0r> and I'd doubt anyone will run ppc64 in production unless your IBM maybe
528 [03:04:25] <Krennic> pre debian 10
529 [03:04:28] <Krennic> ?
530 [03:04:39] <WoC> aye
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534 [03:05:45] <WoC> sid
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537 [03:06:07] <Krennic> i just use two virtual box mostly i run debian but rarely i run ubuntu 18.10 on my windows machine that i use it just as a host and for music staff
538 [03:06:52] <Krennic> but the debian i have is debian 9.6
539 [03:07:02] <Krennic> where do i get debian 10
540 [03:07:07] <Krennic> woc
541 [03:07:24] <WoC> Do you have a ppc64 ?
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543 [03:07:44] <WoC> Krennic ?
544 [03:07:54] <Krennic> no
545 [03:08:08] <WoC> Then i dont know, only for ppc64
546 [03:08:18] <Krennic> ah ok
547 [03:08:27] <WoC> not to be confused with ppc64le / ppc64el
548 [03:09:43] <WoC> I truly fully and completely hate little endians ;P
549 [03:10:04] <Krennic> .
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551 [03:10:46] <themill> Starz0r: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say?
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560 [03:13:24] <Starz0r> themill: says armhf
561 [03:13:36] <Starz0r> idk why it would be configured to that by default
562 [03:14:05] <themill> this is not a configuration item, that's what your installation is
563 [03:14:08] <Starz0r> uname -a: Linux 4.20.0-rc3-v8+ #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Nov 23 05:25:58 STD 2018 aarch64 GNU/Linux
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565 [03:14:22] <Starz0r> is it changable?
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567 [03:14:36] <Starz0r> i'm guessing it affects apt in some way
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569 [03:14:54] <themill> that's the architecture that dpkg was compiled for
570 [03:15:01] <dvs> and retrieves
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573 [03:15:33] <themill> Starz0r: what does "dpkg -l dpkg apt libc6" say?
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579 [03:16:40] <Starz0r> themill: replaced-url
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581 [03:17:31] <themill> yeah, that's definitely an armhf installation not an arm64 installation
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583 [03:18:01] <themill> You can run armhf on top of an arm64 kernel in the same way you can run an i386 installation with an amd64 kernel
584 [03:18:15] <Starz0r> themill: how can I get arm64 packages then
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587 [03:19:06] <themill> if you want the foreign arch package, you use :arm64 as you have been doing.
588 [03:19:18] <themill> more likely, you actually want an arm64 installation from what you're saying
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592 [03:22:35] <Starz0r> themill: i'm not sure how to get an arm64 installation since this image is basically raspbian
593 [03:22:43] <Starz0r> all I did was compile the kernel
594 [03:22:54] <themill> you'd need to ask the raspbian people about that
595 [03:22:56] <Starz0r> the raspberrypi foundation refuses to actually provide arm64 sources
596 [03:23:18] <Starz0r> is it possible to upgrade all the programs to arm64 through apt somehow?
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598 [03:23:41] <dvs> !frankendebian
599 [03:23:41] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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601 [03:24:02] <themill> I've done i386 to amd64; I assume you can do armhf to arm64 somehow... It's pretty hairy and when it breaks you get to keep both pieces.
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603 [03:24:08] <themill> !crossgrade
604 [03:24:08] <dpkg> Converting an i386 installation into an amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult. It's much easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me about <install debian>. If you've got good backups, plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try replaced-url
605 [03:24:31] <Starz0r> well there is nothing on this system to keep
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607 [03:24:40] <Starz0r> so I'm willing to do what it takes to cross grade it
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628 [03:38:06] <hyperlumic> If there's nothing on the system to keep, then just reinstall.
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647 [03:52:41] <Starz0r> hyperlumic: I'm using raspbian, not the debian arm64 port, they refuse to provide it for some reason
648 [03:55:22] <hyperlumic> "they" refuse to provide "what?"
649 [03:57:49] <Borntuft> I installed Debian about a year ago. I'm in the process of swapping out processors and adding ram to the system. Do I need to update anything, reinstall the OS or will the kernel figure it all out?
650 [03:58:18] <hyperlumic> Borntuft: As long as the architecture is the same, you should be fine.
651 [03:58:37] <Borntuft> 64 bit chip to 64 bit chip, so yes
652 [04:00:15] <dvs> hyperlumic, raspbian refuses to provide an arm64 kernel
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685 [04:19:32] <rant> Borntuft: if you're still using a debian kernel you should be fine
686 [04:19:47] <Borntuft> rant, thanks
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688 [04:20:00] <rant> Borntuft: debian kernels are broadly configured with initrd but if you'd compiled your own it may be too specific
689 [04:20:17] <Borntuft> I'm too much of a novice to compile my own
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697 [04:22:51] <ozzloy> replaced-url
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700 [04:23:42] <ozzloy> oh, found it i think replaced-url
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705 [04:25:09] <rant> Borntuft: its actually really easy to do.. I never had such an easy time compiling anything.. I've had single file C programs give me more grief than the linux kernel source :P
706 [04:25:27] <rant> Borntuft: if it works or not when your done is a different story :P
707 [04:25:54] <rant> though using menuconfig the help is pretty descriptive and tells you what to do for each option if unsure
708 [04:26:05] <Borntuft> I'm more of a turn key, type of guy. Just want it to work. I never really understood the benefit to compiling my own kernel
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711 [04:26:58] <rant> Borntuft: well if you dont know, then there isnt one. heh. However I like to do it sometimes just to stay up to date on the new features.. its the easiest way to see what all the kernel can do, just grabbing the source and running menuconfig on it
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714 [04:27:41] <rant> Borntuft: if it werent for still doing that occasionally I wouldnt know about things like zram and such which I been meaning to try out
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716 [04:28:17] <Borntuft> rant, excuse me while I find the netinstall files :O
717 [04:28:24] <Borntuft> ;D
718 [04:28:33] <rant> its also how I learned about kexec years ago and that one had saved me in a pinch before
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721 [04:29:53] <rant> I was in a very techless area with nothing but a SBC I'd screwed up the install on and all I had to boot from was an android SD card.. and was able to kexec jump into my debian install from android.. it was messy but it allowed me to get things working again without another machine
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800 [05:53:16] <WoC> What would be a good text mode flac player in debian?
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804 [05:58:48] <Sveta> WoC dpes
805 [05:58:56] <Sveta> WoC sorry. does mplayer play flac?
806 [05:59:19] <WoC> idk, dpes you said ? ty
807 [05:59:35] <Sveta> WoC no, 'dpes' was a typo for 'does' :)
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809 [05:59:43] <Sveta> WoC i said 'mplayer'
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814 [06:01:19] <WoC> oh, my mplayer is broken
815 [06:01:31] <WoC> Illegal instruction
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819 [06:04:16] <SerajewelKS> if you want a music library manager, there is mpd
820 [06:04:57] <SerajewelKS> i think VLC has a headless mode that should be able to play audio
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822 [06:05:56] <SerajewelKS> moc, cplay, gst123...
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829 [06:09:19] <WoC> found one, cmus
830 [06:09:37] <WoC> ty SerajewelKS
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832 [06:10:54] <gijoe3k> Hello all! Question for you all. I'm running Gnome 3.30. Besides some weird bugs, im really enjoying it. I was wondering though. As much as I loath Window$, I really enjoyed and found useful the whole dynamic menu options on the icons on the taskbar.
833 [06:11:07] <gijoe3k> You know when you right click the icon of a launch button or running program on the task bar and gives you a varied sort of options. I realize that Gnome 3 has this but it seems really limited and sad compared to WIn7 through WIn10
834 [06:11:22] <gijoe3k> Is there an Gnome Shell extension or gconf/gnome tweak option that would expand on these options?
835 [06:11:53] <SerajewelKS> it's probably limited to programs that integrate with gnome, or there might be some extra information in the launcher file for those programs
836 [06:12:02] <SerajewelKS> not every program even knows or cares what gnome is
837 [06:12:44] <SerajewelKS> you might have more luck in #gnome as it's a pretty gnome-specific question, and really doesn't have that much to do with debian, specifically
838 [06:12:56] <SerajewelKS> (it's still on-topic here, though)
839 [06:13:22] <Sveta> gijoe3k ask each of the apps which you are using. ask them to add more custom options
840 [06:13:50] <Sveta> gijoe3k some of these apps may not even be made for gnome. others are. their developers may be happy to add this
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845 [06:15:38] <epicmetal> gijoe3k: do you mean like "Open Private Browsing" for Firefox?
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850 [06:17:25] <gijoe3k> brb
851 [06:17:34] <watchcat> it's more of a file-manger/filetype thing. windows calls them 'context menus' and it's the one thing windows explorer is really good at.
852 [06:21:33] <gijoe3k> Something more akin this:
853 [06:21:36] <gijoe3k> replaced-url
854 [06:22:17] <gijoe3k> or
855 [06:22:23] <gijoe3k> replaced-url
856 [06:22:46] <gijoe3k> @epicmetal,
857 [06:23:52] <epicmetal> gijoe3k: yeah it depends what is in the .desktop file
858 [06:24:07] <epicmetal> gijoe3k: not sure if there is an extra place for it
859 [06:24:10] <epicmetal> there may be
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861 [06:24:39] <gijoe3k> It's a small thing admittedly but holy cow once i started getting into the habit of using it for apps/launchers/shortcuts it saved some much time and felt natural.
862 [06:24:40] <epicmetal> although that's not exactly dynamic
863 [06:25:20] <epicmetal> Windows' implementation can be annoying though, e.g. the remote desktop client doesn't let you reorder entires, and there is a max entries (no scrolling)
864 [06:25:27] <gijoe3k> yeah for sure. couldn't figure out the best way to describe it doh
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1015 [08:03:56] <RoyK> ,v plex
1016 [08:03:56] <judd> No package named 'plex' was found in amd64.
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1041 [08:18:16] <fpbxuser> judd: isn't it offered as a .deb on plex.com?
1042 [08:18:31] <fpbxuser> er, plex.tv
1043 [08:19:14] <fpbxuser> judd: replaced-url
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1045 [08:19:55] <fpbxuser> debian isn't officially supported, ubuntu is
1046 [08:19:56] <fpbxuser> replaced-url
1047 [08:20:05] <Dat> on jessie i am getting Don't know how to set addresses for family 10. when adding an ipv6 ip is there a fix for this?
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1063 [08:30:35] <rant> nope, there is no fix for vague issues
1064 [08:30:49] <rant> try again with what command you are running and the exact output
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1071 [08:35:19] <Dat> rant: ifconfig eth0 inet6 myipv6address and then I get Don't know how to set addresses for family 10
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1094 [08:45:38] <rant> all I know about this is that ifconfig is deprecated and that ipv6 is address family 2
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1096 [08:46:06] <rant> suggests to me the error indicates an error at a different layer below the one you're trying to change
1097 [08:48:15] <rant> seems its PICNIC
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1099 [08:48:40] <rant> #86237
1100 [08:49:09] <rant> ,dbugs #86237
1101 [08:49:15] <rant> ,hello?
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1106 [08:49:36] <rant> ,i foo
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1108 [08:49:37] <judd> No package named 'foo' was found in stretch/amd64.
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1111 [08:49:52] <rant> I could swear you pull up bugs just by me saying the number
1112 [08:49:54] <rant> :P
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1115 [08:50:43] <jelly> Dat, using a custom kernel perhaps? When was the last time the machine was rebooted? What does your /etc/network/interfaces look like?
1116 [08:50:52] <rant> replaced-url
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1118 [08:51:16] <jelly> if thy have six figure yeah, but five figures would be really, really old
1119 [08:51:23] <rant> ah
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1121 [08:51:48] <rant> yeah its old but suggests the syntax is wrong, despite what you would gleen glancing at the top of man ifconfig
1122 [08:52:57] <rant> says you have to say "add" in the command
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1124 [08:53:28] <rant> which I've used ifconfig in the past for setting IPv4 and I dont recall saying add, but w/e
1125 [08:53:42] <jelly> Dat, what about "ip a add myipv6address/mask dev eth0" instead
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1298 [10:29:32] <Linuxlars> Do anyone know how I update the default python envirement on Debian? I have 3.5 and want 3.7
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1302 [10:33:19] <colo-work> you can't; that's not how Debian does things.
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1304 [10:34:03] <colo-work> you could run Debian buster (the current "testing" release), it probably has 3.7 by default. but it will be a different user experience than Debian stretch (the current "stable" release)
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1306 [10:34:28] <rafalcpp> do you think people still use Debian 8, is this a system that needs to be targeted really, when writting software (usable on servers) ?
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1310 [10:38:12] <Linuxlars> I prefer Stable, but is it posible to upgrade python in a viritual python -envirement then or most I use 3.5
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1318 [10:45:41] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Depends on your target group.
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1321 [10:46:39] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: But given that Debian 8 is getting LTS, if you're writing *new* server software I wouldn't put Debian 8 support high on the list.
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1323 [10:47:52] <avu> Linuxlars: you can use pyenv to get a 3.7 install for a certain use in addition to the system Python
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1328 [10:50:44] <Linuxlars> avu: That's good
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1334 [10:52:45] <whjeon> I have a question. According to Debian's testing wiki page, Debian dev recommend not to use backport before upgrade to testing. But, again according to Debian's Nvidia driver wiki page, they recommended backport method.(becuase I need newer driver, nvidia 1030), then Am I unable to upgrade to testing branch? or how can I resolve this situation?
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1336 [10:53:30] <petn-randall> whjeon: Can you link the page?
1337 [10:53:47] <whjeon> OK wait a second pls
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1340 [10:54:15] <whjeon> replaced-url
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1342 [10:54:38] <whjeon> here says 'Remove or comment out any other stable-specific lines, like *-backports or *-updates.' under How to upgrade to Debian (next-stable) Testing
1343 [10:54:41] <whjeon> and then again
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1345 [10:54:49] <petn-randall> whjeon: It says to remove the *-backports lines, as they don't exist for testing.
1346 [10:54:53] <petn-randall> !testing
1347 [10:54:53] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
1348 [10:55:01] <whjeon> updated release between <stable> and <unstable>,
1349 [10:55:06] <whjeon> replaced-url
1350 [10:55:14] <whjeon> deb replaced-url
1351 [10:55:36] <petn-randall> whjeon: I recommend you using stable + backports. Only use testing if you want to test the unreleased version of Debian.
1352 [10:55:46] <whjeon> Oh! OK
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1379 [11:16:25] <Voidablazer> Is there a way for urxvt to display font awesome?
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1392 [11:19:22] <Iridos> dpkg, pinning
1393 [11:19:23] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at replaced-url
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1398 [11:24:36] <SALstar> Hello. How can I configure preseed settings (d-i) from an preseed/run script? Can I generate configuration at install time from a shell script?
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1413 [11:35:17] <borrougagnou> Hi ! I have a problem with my wireless...., (Intel Wireless-AC 9560 [Jefferson Peak]) I installed the firmware-iwlwifi from 'sid', it founded on lspci, but not in `ip addr` or `ifconfig` how can I see if my wifi is working or not?
1414 [11:36:06] <borrougagnou> *found on
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1419 [11:38:59] <petn-randall> borrougagnou: Are you running sid?
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1424 [11:41:05] <borrougagnou> no stretch
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1428 [11:42:04] <petn-randall> borrougagnou: Then I would stay with the firmware package from stretch.
1429 [11:42:23] <petn-randall> borrougagnou: If the wifi is too new, I'd try installing a kernel from backports.
1430 [11:42:29] <petn-randall> !stretch-backports
1431 [11:42:29] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See replaced-url
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1436 [11:44:14] <borrougagnou> Ha ! yes ! I didn't think about it, bah, it's late now for purge and reinstall and I don't think it change something
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1444 [11:48:25] <borrougagnou> my wireless is now detected from lspci and but not in iwconfig
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1456 [11:52:28] <borrougagnou> *and lshw -C network bit not in iwconfig
1457 [11:52:33] <borrougagnou> *but
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1461 [11:54:51] <scatterbrainz> morning peeps :)
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1466 [11:56:22] <petn-randall> borrougagnou: `lspci` will show you every device on the PCI bus, whether there are drivers for it or not. So I recommend removing firmware-iwlwifi, reinstalling it from stretch, and installing a kernel from backports.
1467 [11:56:35] <petn-randall> Mixing packages from different releases is dangerous:
1468 [11:56:36] <scatterbrainz> does anyone have keygen experience .... ?
1469 [11:56:38] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
1470 [11:56:38] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
1471 [11:56:53] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: It's better if you ask you actual question.
1472 [11:56:58] <petn-randall> *your
1473 [11:57:22] <scatterbrainz> petn-randall: kinda need a walk through, i did it last night and somehow ended up with 20 keys. LOLOL
1474 [11:57:50] <petn-randall> !lol
1475 [11:57:50] <dpkg> If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
1476 [11:58:07] <scatterbrainz> oooo AOhell?
1477 [11:58:14] <scatterbrainz> i remember the expression
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1479 [11:58:25] <borrougagnou> petn-randall: k I can try
1480 [11:58:41] <scatterbrainz> so I'm reading in the debian handbook... does it matter which directory your in on the client computer for keygen?
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1490 [12:03:38] <scatterbrainz> ?
1491 [12:04:10] <Fox> no
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1493 [12:04:30] <Fox> default location will be ~/.ssh/
1494 [12:05:25] <scatterbrainz> so on my macbook there'll be a hidden directory ~/.ssh/
1495 [12:05:48] <Fox> there should be (never used a mac) yes
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1497 [12:06:32] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: Nothing wrong with 20 keys if you want 20 keys.
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1499 [12:06:54] <scatterbrainz> petn: is was definetly a screwed up thing
1500 [12:07:09] <scatterbrainz> i'm just trying to create secured tunneling into to my linux box from anywhere
1501 [12:07:34] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: Maybe if you explain what you're trying to achieve, how you tried to achieve it, and what you got instead, we'd be able to give you specific pointers.
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1511 [12:11:38] <scatterbrainz> petn-randall: i have deb - stretch, apache2, and mariadb with mysql-workbench installed, I'm a web dev. and I have a final project, my final project, I want to create a *FAKE* ...but functional piggybank, one of the things banks do, is they copy that DB into a cloud enviro, so I need make a DB, then copy it to cloud, then create a front-end and back-end to access, like a regular user would, to do so, means a
1512 [12:11:38] <scatterbrainz> lot of permissions and set ups, and all that, there's duality in the sense that some of the setup will be done while I'm at school and not @ home, which make things much faster, but how that cloud plays with node.js apache (i'm assuming apache is the front-end for web page hosting)....does this make sense?
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1515 [12:12:58] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: I don't know what that has to do keygen. Do you mean ssh-keygen?
1516 [12:13:13] <scatterbrainz> petn-randall: yes
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1520 [12:15:08] <scatterbrainz> also is -b 4096 advisable?
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1531 [12:20:47] <pa> hi
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1533 [12:21:11] <pa> i would like to rebuild replaced-url
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1535 [12:22:05] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: You still have to explain what you want to do that has anything to do with ssh-keygen.
1536 [12:22:23] <scatterbrainz> petn-randall: remote access into the box
1537 [12:22:57] <petn-randall> which box?
1538 [12:23:06] <scatterbrainz> the linux box with mariaDB on it
1539 [12:23:11] <scatterbrainz> so I can set up the db's remotely
1540 [12:23:18] <themill> dpkg: tell pa about package recompile
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1543 [12:24:32] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: Then generate a key, and add the pubkey to the access list on the remote side via ssh-copy-id.
1544 [12:25:18] <scatterbrainz> and hence where I'm confused
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1546 [12:25:39] <scatterbrainz> is the key gen done on the linux box, and copied to remote client, or other way around?
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1548 [12:25:49] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: Maybe explain how far you actually got yourself.
1549 [12:26:06] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: You generally generate the key on the device that keep the private key.
1550 [12:26:11] <petn-randall> *keeps
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1552 [12:27:04] <scatterbrainz> ok, let me be clear: I have linux box @ home, and a macbook laptop - remote, so the keygen is generated in the linuxbox @ home, and copied to the client macbook for remote access.
1553 [12:27:11] <scatterbrainz> but in the copy command
1554 [12:27:22] <scatterbrainz> i have no idea what the user@host is for the macbook
1555 [12:27:31] <borrougagnou> k I do that: apt purge firmware-iwlwifi ; reboot =====> apt -t stretch-backports install "firmware-iwlwifi" #(he installed "20180825+dfsg-1~bpo9+1" version) but same after reboot, he don't work
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1558 [12:31:15] <furrymcgee> SALstar: try preseed configuration with debconf-get-selections | debconf-set-selections ; see /usr/share/doc/installation-guide-amd64/en/apbs03.html
1559 [12:32:03] <petn-randall> borrougagnou: You still need to install a kernel from backports.
1560 [12:32:03] <kqr> if `free -m` reports twice the amount of RAM specified in the contract with the server owner – have they accidentally put too much RAM in the box, or am I missing something?
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1563 [12:32:41] <petn-randall> kqr: `cat /proc/meminfo` will tell you in better detail.
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1565 [12:33:18] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: So you want to access the macbook from your linuxbox?
1566 [12:33:22] <borrougagnou> petn-randall, uh what?!?
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1570 [12:33:54] <scatterbrainz> petn-randall: no otherway round
1571 [12:34:12] <scatterbrainz> access linuxbox from macbook when not home
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1573 [12:34:50] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: Ok, and what steps did you take to achieve this?
1574 [12:35:04] <petn-randall> borrougagnou: Can you elaborate on your question?
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1576 [12:35:21] <borrougagnou> I just want to use wifi driver nothing other
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1578 [12:35:55] <scatterbrainz> petn-randall: i feel like i'm going in circles here
1579 [12:35:57] <Fox> scatterbrainz: you did it the wrong way, you have to generate the keys on the macbook, copy the pubkey to the linux box, not the other way...
1580 [12:36:18] <petn-randall> borrougagnou: Right. And that will likely be in the newer kernel from backports. firmware is not the driver.
1581 [12:36:20] <Fox> if you really want to access the linux bow form the macbook, like you just said
1582 [12:36:28] <Fox> s/bow/box/
1583 [12:37:26] <borrougagnou> what kernel you mean? what "package" ?!? I'm already up to date
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1585 [12:37:44] <petn-randall> borrougagnou: So you installed the kernel from backports, and booted into it?
1586 [12:38:03] <petn-randall> ,kernels
1587 [12:38:04] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc7-686-pae (4.19~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-3-686 (4.18.20-2); buster: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1);
1588 [12:38:05] <judd> wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
1589 [12:38:45] <petn-randall> borrougagnou: You installed the kernel via `apt -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64`?
1590 [12:39:11] <borrougagnou> absolutely not, but I'll try
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1593 [12:42:37] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: I was confused, because you called the macbook "remote". In my terminology that's the machine you'd access from your *local* machine.
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1595 [12:43:04] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: So your macbook is the *local* machine you're sitting in front of, and the Linux box is the *remote* machine you want to access?
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1601 [12:45:15] <scatterbrainz> petn-randall: yes
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1603 [12:45:24] <scatterbrainz> i just ran a keygen on the macbook
1604 [12:45:27] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, i tried to compile vim with python support but with no luck: replaced-url
1605 [12:45:45] <scatterbrainz> but when I tried to copy the key to the linuxbox - ~ could not resolve hostname
1606 [12:45:45] <rocketmagnet> what was the apt-get command to install all build dependencies ?
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1608 [12:45:56] <scatterbrainz> so...do I use the local IP address or the public IP address.
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1613 [12:47:55] <petn-randall> rocketmagnet: `apt build-dep <package>`
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1615 [12:48:14] <borrougagnou> F you're true petn-randall, Intel require kernel 4.14, and Debian stretch use kernel 4.9, so, now it work !
1616 [12:48:16] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: Whatever address you have set up to make it reachable via SSH.
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1619 [12:48:33] <petn-randall> borrougagnou: Glad I could help!
1620 [12:48:37] <borrougagnou> thx !
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1627 [12:51:21] <scatterbrainz> crap...operation timeout
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1634 [12:54:47] <scatterbrainz> it keeps timing out on port 22
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1646 [12:57:31] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: That means you haven't set up the networking part yet.
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1648 [12:58:11] <scatterbrainz> how do ya mean?
1649 [12:58:17] <scatterbrainz> i have ssh & sshd running
1650 [12:58:23] <scatterbrainz> i have port forwarding in the modem on
1651 [12:58:33] <scatterbrainz> su
1652 [12:58:37] <scatterbrainz> oops
1653 [12:58:40] <scatterbrainz> hahah
1654 [12:58:44] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: Then it shouldn't time out.
1655 [12:59:16] <scatterbrainz> could not load host key: ....
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1657 [12:59:49] <scatterbrainz> ls
1658 [12:59:57] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: This is not your terminal.
1659 [13:00:03] <scatterbrainz> i know
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1661 [13:00:13] <scatterbrainz> i have to many windows open heheheheh ( have 3 monitors)
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1664 [13:01:16] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: It would really help if you have a more structured approach to it. You're poking back and forth, showing single error lines, etc. Which makes it really difficult for us to help you. (assuming you want help from the channel)
1665 [13:01:48] <scatterbrainz> help would be nice...but to ask someone to help set up from scratch ...is asking too much
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1673 [13:04:09] <petn-randall> scatterbrainz: If you have general networking problems, ##networking might be of better help.
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1679 [13:05:08] <scatterbrainz> i'm hoping if I restart the box, it'll start its ssh and sshd and put the keys it needs (default) in
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1684 [13:06:06] <Ede|Popede> scatterbrainz: but this also could be turning you into the correct position and then pushing you on the back so you'd find your way mostly alone later ;)
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1686 [13:06:28] <Ede|Popede> good morning or whatever your local time is ;)
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1688 [13:06:37] <scatterbrainz> its 7:06 EST
1689 [13:06:53] <scatterbrainz> and yeah I think i screwed it up bad :(
1690 [13:06:55] <scatterbrainz> ugh
1691 [13:08:15] <petn-randall> !ugh
1692 [13:08:15] <dpkg> oh yes baby, one more time.. ugh.. ahh.. uhggggggh.. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
1693 [13:08:21] <Ede|Popede> hehe
1694 [13:08:29] <scatterbrainz> #eye-roll
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1746 [13:49:12] <DevAntoine> Hi
1747 [13:49:34] <DevAntoine> My Debian server has a wrong date set. I thought it was sync with NTP, what am I missing?
1748 [13:50:38] <hyperlumic> NTP won't work if the time difference is dramatic.
1749 [13:51:08] <hyperlumic> Also, are you sure you have ntp enabled?
1750 [13:51:09] <teus> well its time protocol... not date protocol
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1752 [13:51:34] <hyperlumic> teus: Time includes date.
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1754 [13:51:46] <DevAntoine> "systemctl status openntpd.service" says it's running
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1756 [13:51:55] <DevAntoine> So, what should I do? Restart ntp?
1757 [13:52:01] <hyperlumic> I assume you installed that on your own?
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1759 [13:52:20] <DevAntoine> hyperlumic: nop
1760 [13:52:22] <DevAntoine> out of the box
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1762 [13:52:42] <DevAntoine> In fact I upgraded this box back then in august, from debian 8 to 9 and neevr checked it since then :D
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1765 [13:53:15] <hyperlumic> That might have been a holdover from jessie.
1766 [13:53:21] <hyperlumic> First, remove that package.
1767 [13:53:50] <hyperlumic> Second, 'timedatectl set-ntp on'.
1768 [13:54:08] <hyperlumic> Third, you might set the time reasonably close to the current time. NTP will handle precision from there.
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1773 [13:54:48] <teus> half of the time, my laptop doesnt wake when i put it to sleep. just a black screen
1774 [13:54:54] <teus> where do i even begin to troubleshoot this?
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1782 [13:59:22] <DevAntoine> hyperlumic: oh, so ntp has beenr eplaced by timedatectl, which comes from system-d?
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1786 [14:00:19] <hyperlumic> DevAntoine: More correctly, systemd now includes an ntp client.
1787 [14:00:35] <hyperlumic> systemd-timesyncd
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1789 [14:00:45] <DevAntoine> I see, thanks
1790 [14:01:33] <DevAntoine> So, time hasn't change
1791 [14:01:35] <DevAntoine> :D
1792 [14:01:45] <hyperlumic> Did you set the time manually to a more correct time?
1793 [14:02:00] <DevAntoine> hyperlumic: I got to rtfm how to do it but I don't udnerstand why I have to do it.
1794 [14:02:13] <hyperlumic> I said that already.
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1796 [14:02:27] <hyperlumic> NTP will not modify the system time if it's too far off. Generally, that's > 1000 seconds.
1797 [14:02:32] <hyperlumic> The wrong DATE is definitely more than 1000 seconds off.
1798 [14:02:41] <DevAntoine> hyperlumic: makes no sense to me but ok.
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1801 [14:03:25] <hyperlumic> There are a ton of reasons, but I won't go into a long-winded lecture here. Sufficed to say, that's the requirement.
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1803 [14:03:47] <hyperlumic> Also make sure your timezone is correct.
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1805 [14:04:12] <hyperlumic> Syntax: timedatectl set-time 2018-11-27 07:54:41
1806 [14:04:47] <hyperlumic> Obviously, adjust the time according to your local time.
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1816 [14:08:58] <DevAntoine> hyperlumic: I disabled ntp sync, I did "timedatectl set-time '18:11:26' but the date doesn't change oO
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1818 [14:10:08] <hyperlumic> You didn't specify a date, of course it didn't change.
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1820 [14:10:28] <hyperlumic> See my syntax line above.
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1824 [14:12:34] <DevAntoine> hyperlumic: Failed to set time: The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided by any .service files
1825 [14:12:39] <DevAntoine> Gosh what is happening with my machine oO
1826 [14:13:01] <hyperlumic> As root, please.
1827 [14:13:12] <hyperlumic> I'd think it obvious that an unprivileged user can't set the time...
1828 [14:14:06] <DevAntoine> hyperlumic: gosh yes, it's obvious, not like the error message.
1829 [14:14:11] <DevAntoine> hyperlumic: sorry and thanks.
1830 [14:14:40] <hyperlumic> The error message is actually because the command is trying to use polkit to authorize the action.
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1832 [14:14:54] <hyperlumic> If you don't have polkit installed, it gives a pretty obscure error, yes.
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1937 [15:26:09] <bezaban> /var/log/auth.lgo
1938 [15:26:13] <bezaban> almost.
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1943 [15:29:34] <JustASlacker> need to increase ssh logging for that I think
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1947 [15:30:06] <vlt> /var/log/auth.log looks fine to me.
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2014 [16:07:19] <bryceml> Anyone know how I would find out when isc-dhcp-client will be repackaged with version 4.4.1?
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2016 [16:08:09] <greycat> !debian-next
2017 [16:08:09] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2018 [16:08:09] <petn-randall> ,v isc-dhcp-client
2019 [16:08:10] <judd> Package: isc-dhcp-client on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u8; wheezy-security: 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u9; jessie: 4.3.1-6+deb8u3; jessie-security: 4.3.1-6+deb8u3; stretch: 4.3.5-3+deb9u1; stretch-security: 4.3.5-3+deb9u1; buster: 4.3.5-4+b1; sid: 4.3.5-4+b1; experimental: 4.4.1-1
2020 [16:08:45] <petn-randall> bryceml: It's already in experimental, so there might be a chance that it makes it into buster some time.
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2024 [16:09:42] <discovered> Debian testing having gnome 3.30.2 ?
2025 [16:09:56] <bryceml> Oh, cool, I think I looked last week and it wasn't available yet.
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2038 [16:13:58] <bryceml> What is the difference between unstable and experimental?
2039 [16:14:06] <greycat> !experimental
2040 [16:14:06] <dpkg> experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. replaced-url
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2046 [16:22:00] <petn-randall> bryceml: experimental usually has known issues. Is there a reason you need 4.4.1?
2047 [16:23:18] <bryceml> I need to be able to give a prefix delegation hint on dhcpv6. That feature is not available in 4.3. It is in 4.4.1
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2050 [16:24:02] <greycat> Well, for a experimental package, first you choose to run unstable, which means you get support elsewhere, and then you carefully install the one experimental package, and pray.
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2055 [16:24:53] <bryceml> Hopefully that flag can be called from ifupdown as well when buster is released.
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2101 [16:48:05] <iveqy> hi! I'm trying to add a new connection to the network manager. It works fins using nmcli but I need to do this during the install process before the network manager is started, so I tried to add a file describing the connectioni in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/myconnection however the network manager seems not to discover this connection
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2103 [16:48:25] <iveqy> how can I add a new connection to the network manager without using the nmcli tool?
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2106 [16:49:26] <petn-randall> iveqy: What connection do you need to bring up during install?
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2110 [16:50:04] <petn-randall> I'm fairly sure that the installer doesn't use network-manager, but I might be wrong.
2111 [16:50:09] <iveqy> petn-randall: a wifi connection. I'm doing automatic installs with a preseed and have made a special debian package that should add a wifi connection
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2113 [16:50:32] <iveqy> so I don't need to wifi connection _during_ the install but after the install with the first boot
2114 [16:50:50] <iveqy> I wan't to use the network manager to monitoring the connection and reconnect if it fails
2115 [16:51:10] <iveqy> but I need to add the connection to network manager and that's my problem
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2119 [16:52:51] <petn-randall> iveqy: `man nmcli`, and look for the import/export options.
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2121 [16:53:10] <petn-randall> iveqy: `man nmcli`, and look for the `nmcli connection import/export` options.
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2125 [16:53:45] <iveqy> petn-randall: it sounds good but it only supports VPN connections at the moment
2126 [16:54:41] <petn-randall> iveqy: What does?
2127 [16:55:02] <iveqy> the export and import commands for nmcli
2128 [16:55:07] <iveqy> at least according to my manual
2129 [16:55:12] <petn-randall> oh, right, just saw that. My bad.
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2132 [16:55:54] <petn-randall> iveqy: `nmcli connection add` should do the trick, though.
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2134 [16:56:33] <iveqy> petn-randall: it does, but I can't use it since the network manager isn't started at the time my deb-package is installed
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2220 [17:53:04] <greycat> Do display managers create an /etc/alternatives/x-display-manager or something like that, which an end user can use to figure out which display manager is in use?
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2222 [17:53:58] <greycat> Oh wait, I actually do have access to a machine with sddm in use... and the answer is no. No, they do not.
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2291 [18:35:00] <hansol> 127.0.0.1 localhost
2292 [18:35:02] <hansol> 127.0.1.1 hayk.bijuteria-online.com
2293 [18:35:24] <hansol> ../etc/hostname - is this is correct ?
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2296 [18:35:49] <petn-randall> hansol: Depends on what you want to achieve, and what your hostname is.
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2298 [18:36:33] <hansol> why when im typing command hostname i get thiss : 127.0.0.1localhost
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2302 [18:37:01] <hansol> and when im typing hostname -f i have: 127.0.0.1localhost
2303 [18:37:20] <jelly> hansol: that looks more like entries for /etc/hosts instead of a single word that should be in /etc/hostname
2304 [18:37:31] <jelly> !hostname
2305 [18:37:31] <dpkg> Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. replaced-url
2306 [18:38:27] <jelly> /etc/hostname might contain just a single line with the short name "hayk" and nothing else
2307 [18:38:35] <hansol> but in tutorial i see when he type hostname -f he have hayk.bijuteria-online.com i cant see my hostname -f
2308 [18:38:46] <jelly> which tutorial?
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2311 [18:40:04] <hansol> replaced-url
2312 [18:40:08] <hansol> this tutorial see point 4
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2314 [18:40:56] <jelly> hansol: it seems you edited the wrong file.
2315 [18:41:08] <hansol> mb yes you are correct will try now again
2316 [18:41:22] <hansol> hostname and hosts files are not same
2317 [18:41:35] <jelly> correct
2318 [18:42:04] <jken> say I want to compile my own kernel for use on my debian stretch system, what benefits are there to using the debian supplied kernel source over the mainline kernel source?
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2321 [18:42:35] <jelly> hansol: and you want both the long and the short name of the server in the line for /etc/hosts. Not just the long name,
2322 [18:43:09] <jelly> jken: what's the goal of using a custom kernel?
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2327 [18:45:05] <jken> jelly, I need to compile in some hardware drivers that are currently loaded as modules in order to debug another issue that occurs sometimes during boot
2328 [18:45:21] <jken> was more just wondering what the difference was
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2336 [18:47:42] <hansol> jelly, why now when im typing hostname in terminal i have this: hAYknews
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2338 [18:47:54] <hansol> for hostname -f i got same
2339 [18:48:43] <jelly> jken: there are a few functional patches in the debian tree, there're sane .configs, and there're lots of infrastructure around the source to make it build two dozen different builds for the distro
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2342 [18:49:07] <hansol> they have to not be the same ?
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2344 [18:49:19] <jken> jelly, so sounds like if I only need to worry about myself and my hardware, i might as well go mainline?
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2346 [18:50:09] <jelly> hansol: the short name in /etc/hostname needs to be present as the third word in a line in /etc/hosts, "ip.add.re.ss shortname.example.org shortname"
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2349 [18:50:31] <jelly> jken: if you can trust mainline to deliver a stable kernel, yes
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2351 [18:51:02] <jken> I guess my question was "am I missing things if I go mainline"
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2353 [18:51:19] <petn-randall> jken: You still have to rebuild it everytime a new release comes out, and track security fixes by hand if needed.
2354 [18:51:32] <jelly> jken: IME, not really, no
2355 [18:51:52] <jken> petn-randall, that's fine with me,
2356 [18:51:56] <jken> jelly, thanks!
2357 [18:52:02] <jelly> mainline has "make deb-pkg" if you like packages
2358 [18:52:19] <jken> i do like deb packages :)
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2360 [18:53:01] <hansol> jelly, i must add 192.168.0.* (local ip) or 127.0.1.1 ? in hosts ?
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2362 [18:53:33] <greycat> hansol: if this is a mail server, you should have a REAL IP address.
2363 [18:53:44] <hansol> i have real ip
2364 [18:53:51] <jelly> hansol: if you have a configured static ip you can use that INSTEAD of 127.0.1.1
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2368 [18:54:10] <greycat> Then in /etc/hosts you should have "your.real.ip.addr hayknews.domain.name hayknews"
2369 [18:54:16] <petn-randall> hansol: `man hosts` will explain to you what that file does. You'll then kn ow what you want to put there.
2370 [18:54:28] <jelly> reading manuals?!?!?
2371 [18:54:37] <jelly> what have we come to
2372 [18:54:46] <hansol> In tutorial is showing local ip not real ip
2373 [18:55:04] <hansol> thats why im confused
2374 [18:55:10] <petn-randall> !tutorial
2375 [18:55:10] <dpkg> A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
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2377 [18:55:47] <hansol> dpkg, its turue
2378 [18:55:48] <dpkg> hansol: i don't know
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2380 [18:56:50] <jelly> greycat: apologies for stealing that from #bash bot
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2386 [19:00:27] <hansol> thanks you guys its ok for now
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2406 [19:10:25] <hansol> !mail
2407 [19:10:25] <dpkg> rumour has it, mail is a great program for sending mail, or <mutt> can send mail from the command line with attachments, or elm rewarded the best emailer of 1999. Pine is out. replaced-url
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2410 [19:11:20] <greycat> mutt basically supersedes elm by every reasonable metric
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2413 [19:11:46] <hansol> rumour ? what is ?
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2417 [19:12:11] <joepublic> rumor is something many people say
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2419 [19:12:37] <annadane> a "rumour" is something not confirmed true but suspected by people to be, essentially
2420 [19:12:38] <joepublic> saying rumor instead of "information" is a lame joke, something mr. dpkg has many of
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2422 [19:13:07] <hansol> :)
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2425 [19:13:51] <annadane> rumour has it you can use your favorite privacy respecting search engine to look up the definitions for words like rumour
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2427 [19:14:02] <joepublic> if only there were some sort of place you could look up english words to see what they mean.
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2432 [19:14:33] <joepublic> preferably with a tutorial on using each word and listing each sentence that you should use with it
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2434 [19:14:41] <greycat> Or, some of you may have seen these weird rectangular things that are made of paper. Some of them have definitions of words in them. We call those "dictionaries".
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2436 [19:15:14] <annadane> but who physically buys dictionaries anymore?
2437 [19:15:18] <joepublic> greycat, i have one of those. It does not contain many tutorials, just dry, manpage-type information. useless cruft.
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2463 [19:24:20] <Ede|Popede> gotta dig further: No manual entry for paper
2464 [19:25:24] <hansol> !iptables
2465 [19:25:24] <dpkg> [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see replaced-url
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2468 [19:27:29] <hansol> after i restart my pc i type iptable -L and there is no rules, but port's are still active
2469 [19:27:54] <hansol> where can i find a file that have saved my ports? 22 and 25
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2471 [19:28:16] <hyperlumic> hansol: I strongly caution you against trying to run your own mailserver with your apparent level of knowledge.
2472 [19:29:14] <hansol> hyperlumic, thats why you are here guys :) will not spam i promise
2473 [19:29:18] <greycat> You absolutely do not need a firewall or packet filter of any kind with a mail server. Unless you have a VERY special situation, like "I need to block connections from lots of places, for reasons".
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2475 [19:29:43] <greycat> Even then, the blocking or rejecting of connection can typically be moved to userspace.
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2477 [19:30:00] <hansol> greycat, but i need my 25 port allowed ?? to send mails
2478 [19:30:01] <hyperlumic> hansol: No, that is not why we are here.
2479 [19:30:19] <greycat> iptables is there to PREVENT things from getting through, not to enable them. By default, all things are allowed.
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2482 [19:30:47] <hansol> by default all ports are allowed ?? in debian ?
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2484 [19:30:54] <greycat> IN EVERYTHING
2485 [19:30:55] <hyperlumic> In Linux, period.
2486 [19:31:29] <hansol> but why when i install ssh i dont connect, but when i enable port 22 on iptables i connected
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2491 [19:32:39] <greycat> Because you installed iptables and then you DID SOMETHING with it.
2492 [19:32:48] <greycat> Now you're apparently undoing parts of what you did BEFORE.
2493 [19:33:00] <hansol> it was installed by defaul
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2495 [19:33:14] <hyperlumic> Nothing is blocked by default. You did something.
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2497 [19:33:31] <jelly> hansol: it's not installed by default if you use the usual debian-installer
2498 [19:33:45] <hansol> but for secure reasons its better to have iptables ?
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2500 [19:33:59] <hyperlumic> And you're trying to run a mailserver.
2501 [19:34:00] <hyperlumic> Jesus.
2502 [19:34:07] <hansol> i installed - Automatic install (choose from menu)
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2504 [19:34:39] <hansol> hyperlumic, i dont undestand why i cant have mail server :((
2505 [19:35:02] <jelly> there is lots of hidden complexity involved in maintaining a mail server
2506 [19:35:11] <greycat> hansol: as others have said, (1) iptables is NOT installed by default in Debian; (2) even if you install iptables, NOTHING is blocked by default. You've gone out of your way somehow to block stuff.
2507 [19:35:40] <hyperlumic> Because you don't know the first thing about what you're doing, or even basic concepts.
2508 [19:35:59] <hyperlumic> Running a mailserver properly and securely requires understanding and regular maintenance.
2509 [19:36:01] <jelly> you can have one, but then you also need to spend 3-6 months learning everything about mail services so you manage to keep it stable and not become either a source of spam or a destination for spam
2510 [19:36:55] <hyperlumic> hansol: And, to get right to the point, you need to break out of this mindset that IRC is here to answer your every question and walk you through everything.
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2514 [19:37:43] <hansol> TT
2515 [19:37:44] <jelly> hansol: and from that point on you need to keep track of slowly but constantly changing requirements because the big 3-4 providers keep blocking more and more mail
2516 [19:37:52] <Ede|Popede> hansol: which one? sendmail maybe?
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2518 [19:38:42] <hansol> jelly, yes i send mail to gmail and it was recived to SPAM folder
2519 [19:38:48] <at0m> buddy was probably not the first who ran his mail server with test:test for user:pass initially, then got a spamhaus block to figure out he had put the mail server in production with the test:test user still in place /o\
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2521 [19:39:09] <jelly> hansol: so maybe you configure a "perfect" system with dkim and dmarc and whatever today, and things work. 3 months from now hotmail/yahoo/gmail add some more restrictions.
2522 [19:39:30] <Ede|Popede> does buddy work for cisco?
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2524 [19:40:05] <at0m> Ede|Popede: nope, self-employed. set up mail server for companies who all got spamhaused. oops.
2525 [19:40:24] <hansol> i understand why big providers block mail's from normal home server
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2527 [19:40:57] <Ede|Popede> "trust me. i know what i'm doing." – Sledge Hammer
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2529 [19:41:45] <hansol> !postfix-mysql
2530 [19:41:46] <Ede|Popede> not only, hansol: on my home network register mails didn't work with everything around live
2531 [19:42:42] <hyperlumic> hansol: Honestly, you need to spend several months learning basic system administration before you even think about trying to run a mailserver.
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2533 [19:43:20] <cybercrypto> hansol: If you are not confortable with basic concepts, why do you need a mailserver? I assume you are planning to run an MTA i think... why would you want that?
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2536 [19:44:14] <joepublic> and make no mistake, someone who asks two days in a row "how do you do this hostname thing" is not familiar with concepts which are basic.
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2540 [19:44:55] <hansol> i need to host my website from home machine
2541 [19:45:08] <hyperlumic> No, you don't.
2542 [19:45:12] <greycat> You *want* to.
2543 [19:45:25] <multun> hansol: please do, don't listen to them
2544 [19:45:27] <cybercrypto> hansol: Are you somehow trying to have a linux box to run a mailserver so you can execute spam and marketing mesages? Is that so? :-)
2545 [19:45:29] <joepublic> host your website wherever you want, get inexpensive hosting from a real provider that comes with a mail server and use that.
2546 [19:45:30] <greycat> Which has absolutely nothing to do with a mail server.
2547 [19:45:31] <multun> hansol: welcome to the internet
2548 [19:45:36] <hansol> yes because im paying too much for hosting
2549 [19:45:59] <jelly> hansol: mind you, a website and a mail service can be kept completely separate
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2551 [19:46:14] <multun> hansol: you're free to learn; you'll most likely fail and get hacked at some point, but that's ok
2552 [19:46:14] <hansol> its a shopping website
2553 [19:46:25] <multun> whoosh
2554 [19:46:27] <multun> :D
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2556 [19:46:42] <cybercrypto> hahahah e-commerce @ home. thats sounds like a plan
2557 [19:46:48] <hansol> i must to send mail's to users
2558 [19:46:56] <joepublic> hansol, I want to make sure that you did not miss that "hosting a website" and "hosting a mailserver" are not related to each other and do not have to happen in the same place.
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2561 [19:47:27] <multun> hansol: you can actually configure your home server to send mail via an external mail provider
2562 [19:47:38] <greycat> "Hi, I want to take your money and your credit card information. By the way, how do I set my hostname?"
2563 [19:47:39] <multun> setting up a mail server properly actually is super hard
2564 [19:47:42] <joepublic> literally everyone on the Internet can send mail to people, but almost no-one hosts a mail server. let that sink in.
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2566 [19:48:10] <hansol> i will send max 15 mails per month
2567 [19:48:19] <Tenkawa> and not to mention the potential liabilities
2568 [19:48:26] <Ede|Popede> hansol: and why do you need your own mailserver for that? > replaced-url
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2571 [19:48:58] <jelly> hansol: things might work with a self-hosted web site up to a point, if you can manage DNS and connectivity. A mail service has more hosting requirements than a mere web site to be made reliable.
2572 [19:49:35] <hyperlumic> hansol: To say nothing of the potential legal requirements involved in running an ecommerce website.
2573 [19:49:55] <Tenkawa> hyperlumic: yep my point
2574 [19:49:56] <hansol> if i use SSL ?
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2576 [19:50:06] <hyperlumic> hansol: Rephrasing, there ARE legal requirements, but what they are varies based on where you are.
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2578 [19:50:13] <jelly> everyone uses ssl.
2579 [19:50:14] <Tenkawa> hansol: theres a lot more than just that
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2581 [19:50:30] <joepublic> I use ssl on my blog fercryinoutloud
2582 [19:50:35] <hansol> like Hillory Clinton :)
2583 [19:50:38] <Tenkawa> do you know anything about liability in your country for commerce??
2584 [19:50:43] <hansol> hackers take everything from her mail server
2585 [19:50:44] <jelly> I don't even HAVE a blog and I use ssl!
2586 [19:50:52] <hyperlumic> hansol: Are you in the EU?
2587 [19:50:54] <BCMM> hansol: sending email is pretty straightforwards. sending email that isn't going to get spam filtered by just about everyone is less so.
2588 [19:51:09] <hansol> Bulgaria actually in EU but... i will say no :D
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2590 [19:51:28] <hyperlumic> Then yes, you are in the EU. GDPR, good luck.
2591 [19:51:31] <jelly> that means you have to take care of GDPR
2592 [19:51:39] <joepublic> here is a salient point: To run a website you need to have or control a web server... But to send mail you only have to send mail, there are plenty of mail servers and you don't have to control them to just send mail.
2593 [19:52:08] <hansol> i understand that
2594 [19:52:14] <hyperlumic> hansol: You are not qualified to do any of what you're trying to do. You need to listen, and start doing things the right way. And that means not doing them yourself at your current level of knowledge.
2595 [19:52:16] <joepublic> that is not apparent
2596 [19:52:49] <jelly> hansol: you can learn to do this, but set up services iteratively and not everything at once on the same system
2597 [19:53:12] <joepublic> I remember when anyone could set up a mail server and it wasn't that hard, and it worked.
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2599 [19:53:39] <joepublic> people who spam killed that time and it is unfortunately no more.
2600 [19:54:07] <hyperlumic> Your ISP may also not permit you to run these services per their terms of service.
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2604 [19:54:55] <hansol> GDPR - its not only SSL enought ?
2605 [19:54:57] <jelly> as for hosted mail services, there's eg. replaced-url
2606 [19:55:11] <hyperlumic> hansol: You have no idea what GDPR even entails, obviously.
2607 [19:55:17] <joepublic> that's like saying AIDS - is being real secretive not enough?
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2610 [19:56:05] <Ede|Popede> the ISP may have special business accounts. clearly more expensive than a home account. but probably wouldn't be satisfied with getting the difference after finding out about this business@home model
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2614 [19:56:42] <hyperlumic> hansol: And fines for noncompliance with the GDPR can be in the millions of EUR.
2615 [19:56:53] <hansol> GDPR - mean's without logging ?
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2617 [19:57:09] <hyperlumic> hansol: Would it kill you to read something on your own? Ever?
2618 [19:57:10] <joepublic> good luck selling things without keeping records.
2619 [19:57:27] <pingfloyd> this is why most businesses fail
2620 [19:57:28] <Ede|Popede> hansol: i assume bulgaria has some kind of business chamber or so. and if, they for sure have courses how to set up your business from a legal point of view. including what you have to care of by doing online business.
2621 [19:57:31] <hansol> i plan to install ISPconfig they have GDPR by default
2622 [19:57:33] <joepublic> "I have all this money, I wonder where it came from, and what people wanted when they sent it"
2623 [19:57:53] <Ede|Popede> hehe
2624 [19:57:56] <hyperlumic> hansol: GDPR isn't a configuration set.
2625 [19:58:04] <jelly> hyperlumic: try to be constructive. Instead of "would it kill you to read", tell them _which_ things they should read.
2626 [19:58:11] <multun> hansol: GDPR is much more than configuration. it's about how you store customer data
2627 [19:58:13] <joepublic> "Well, fortunately, I don't do any logging. Guess I will keep it and get some powder of the evening and ladies of the evening"
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2629 [19:58:19] <hyperlumic> jelly: How many times do I have to say 'GDPR' before they go looking for 'GDPR'?
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2634 [19:59:05] <hyperlumic> jelly: And believe me, people - myself included - have tried the constructive approach with hansol in the past. Here we are.
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2638 [19:59:45] <multun> hyperlumic: that's still not a good reason
2639 [19:59:47] <hyperlumic> multun: More than just storage. Acquisition, storage, processing, archival, and destruction.
2640 [20:00:04] <multun> yeah yeah
2641 [20:00:13] <hansol> my site works without GDPR in EU ? its possible ?
2642 [20:00:21] <jelly> hyperlumic: it's not jsut gdpr, this is far from constructive: <hyperlumic> And you're trying to run a mailserver. <hyperlumic> Jesus.
2643 [20:00:27] <hansol> or my hosting company have GDPR ?
2644 [20:00:32] <joepublic> hansol, yes, crime is possible but not encouraged.
2645 [20:00:50] <hansol> but im not using online payments
2646 [20:00:55] <jelly> hansol: #debian is not the right place for legal consultancy
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2649 [20:01:24] <multun> hansol: _isn't not only_ about hosting, it's about customer privacy
2650 [20:01:25] <joepublic> no online payments. Okay, tell the authorities that; I am sure they will make an exception for you. Good idea.
2651 [20:01:49] <multun> or even anobody visiting your site's privacy
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2654 [20:02:18] <multun> it's a set of laws restricting whay you can do with informations about other people
2655 [20:02:25] <hyperlumic> hansol: The General Data Protection Regulation, or GDPR, is a set of laws, not a technology or a product.
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2657 [20:02:39] <hyperlumic> hansol: replaced-url
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2660 [20:02:56] <hansol> thanks you for information
2661 [20:03:24] <hyperlumic> hansol: As with the vast majority of your questions across the channels in which I've seen you, this could have been found with a cursory internet search.
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2664 [20:03:58] <hyperlumic> hansol: The intent behind everything that's been said to you isn't just to be a pain, okay?
2665 [20:04:02] <joepublic> I did find this GDPR tutorial: replaced-url
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2668 [20:04:39] <hyperlumic> hansol: If you're going to be responsible for a system, whatever that system is, you have to learn how to use the resources available to you. Yes, this channel can support specific issues, but you have to take the initiative and learn on your own as a first step.
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2670 [20:04:55] <multun> hyperlumic: if you don't want to answer these questions, then don't
2671 [20:05:02] <hyperlumic> multun: I wasn't talking to you.
2672 [20:05:06] <hansol> hyperlumic, i understand
2673 [20:05:14] <jelly> multun: but he's answering right now
2674 [20:05:18] <hyperlumic> multun: If I was, I would have used your nick, and it would have highlighted it for you. Like this.
2675 [20:05:45] <joepublic> hansol, and I admire your initiative and willingness to ask questions and learn new things. The world needs more of that.
2676 [20:06:00] <hyperlumic> hansol: At least some of the people in this channel have been doing this for a long time, many of them professionally. If we're warning you about doing something, it's worth listening.
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2679 [20:06:31] <hansol> i have added port 22 and then typed iptables -S by default where is file with ACCEPTED prots ??
2680 [20:06:35] <jelly> doing efficient web searches and learning how to get useful results (ie. google for "gdpr for small businesses" instead of just "GDPR") can be a task on its own
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2683 [20:07:09] <hansol> will not use GDPR for now...
2684 [20:07:15] <jelly> hansol: pastebin the output of "iptables-save"
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2687 [20:07:36] <jelly> hansol: where EXACTLY did you "add port 22"?
2688 [20:08:08] <jelly> !ask
2689 [20:08:08] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2691 [20:08:17] <hansol> n
2692 [20:08:19] <hansol> m
2693 [20:08:23] <hansol> jelly, replaced-url
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2695 [20:09:08] <jelly> hansol: ok, that's an empty clean iptables, no rules, everything is accepted.
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2698 [20:09:40] <hansol> jelly, added port before restart my machine
2699 [20:09:49] <jelly> hansol: you did not "add port 22" there. We do not know where you added it or how.
2700 [20:10:31] <jelly> hansol: since every kind of traffic is accepted as it is now, why would you feel a need to doubly accept some specific traffic?
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2704 [20:11:00] <hansol> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
2705 [20:11:00] <hansol> i use this command, then Iptables -S and restarted
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2708 [20:11:27] <multun> hansol: the content of iptables isn't persistent over reboots
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2710 [20:11:45] <jelly> hansol: but there are no iptables rules in debian by default. You do not _need_ to accept inbound traffic to 22/tcp
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2712 [20:12:01] <multun> see replaced-url
2713 [20:12:22] <multun> every time your machine boots, there are no rules
2714 [20:12:42] <jelly> hansol: why did you do this, what was your expectation to have happened?
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2716 [20:13:06] <hansol> like i understand i have to create a file with my allowed ports, after restart i have to restore allowing ports from that file
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2718 [20:13:18] <jelly> hansol: you don't have to do that.
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2720 [20:13:33] <jelly> hansol: everything is allowed by default on Debian.
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2722 [20:13:57] <jelly> hansol: your system _right now_ allows inbound ssh traffic, without that rule
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2724 [20:14:21] <hansol> jelly, will now install apache to check that
2725 [20:14:39] <hansol> if i can open my server from internet you are correct
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2728 [20:14:56] <hansol> without adding port 80 to iptables
2729 [20:14:59] <Ede|Popede> hansol: you could use pyton's internal web server or something tiny like websh
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2731 [20:15:26] <jelly> hansol: no, I'm correct because your output replaced-url
2732 [20:15:31] <Ede|Popede> and then let a web service scan the ports in question
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2734 [20:16:00] <hansol> !apache
2735 [20:16:01] <dpkg> Apache HTTPD is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server. Ask me about <apache2>, <install apache>, <apache manual>. See also <cnrd>, <userdir>, <htaccess>. replaced-url
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2738 [20:17:44] <Tenkawa> hansol: if you want to use ! commands with dpkg you can /msg too
2739 [20:17:53] <jelly> !msg the bot
2740 [20:17:53] <dpkg> Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and replaced-url
2741 [20:18:09] <Tenkawa> jelly: thank you...
2742 [20:18:20] <Tenkawa> wasnt sure the trigger
2743 [20:18:23] <fboender> if I wanted to get a program I wrote into core debian, how would I go about it? Is there some list of criteria it has to meet? I have literaly no idea where to start.
2744 [20:18:27] <hansol> you are correct jelly
2745 [20:18:34] <jelly> !rfp
2746 [20:18:34] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
2747 [20:18:38] <hansol> its opening without add rule to iptables
2748 [20:19:00] <fboender> jelly: cool, thanks!
2749 [20:19:51] <jelly> fboender: things may proceed a lot faster if you also decide to be the maintainer of the software in debian, keeping the packaging updated and less buggy as well
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2756 [20:22:00] <jelly> !mentors
2757 [20:22:00] <dpkg> mentors is probably the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. replaced-url
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2767 [20:24:41] <twobitsprite> anyone know of a way to clear/reset the journal logs for a specific systemd unit?
2768 [20:25:02] <twobitsprite> my google-fu is failing me currently.
2769 [20:25:16] <hansol> Disallow root login remotely? [Y/n]
2770 [20:25:16] <hansol> - mysql Yes or No ??
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2777 [20:26:42] <greycat> twobitsprite: look like there's a set of --vacuum-* options.
2778 [20:26:51] <fboender> jelly: would I have to go through the entire process of becoming an official maintainer? Last time I checked (admittedly years ago) it was quite the ordeal
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2780 [20:27:14] <fboender> I already have debian packages for my project, but no infra (apt sources, signing).
2781 [20:27:23] <fboender> I guess I should start with that
2782 [20:27:26] <greycat> twobitsprite: but it looks like the vacuuming is global (all services/logs), not tuned to a specific service
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2807 [20:37:50] <hansol> Gurov tuk li si ?
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2809 [20:40:48] <annadane> we're not particularly likely to know bulgarian
2810 [20:41:04] <rany> hansol: You probably want this set to No
2811 [20:42:39] <Ede|Popede> is there any reason to ever set this to Yes? (unless your provider doesn't grant you shell login)
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2814 [20:43:52] <hyperlumic> I always disallow remote root login.
2815 [20:44:08] <hyperlumic> So the correct answer would be 'yes,' unless you have a good reason to allow remote root login.
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2817 [20:44:27] <annadane> hmm, why did qbittorrent put the downloaded files in /tmp when the settings says it saves to /home/annadane/Downloads
2818 [20:44:50] <b30wulf> because it sux
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2820 [20:45:11] <b30wulf> try transmission or deluge
2821 [20:45:14] <eia1x> Hi, can I fix a problem when I couldn't reinstall a file, like: 'Reinstallation of mp3gain is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.". Anyone knows?
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2823 [20:45:34] <eia1x> *package
2824 [20:45:44] <Ede|Popede> annadane: i remember a bug report for firefox about the same thing. came from a user in a networked environment with nfs mounted /home
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2826 [20:46:21] <Ede|Popede> temp file into temp folder, than move... err... copy into $HOME/Downloads
2827 [20:46:50] <annadane> right i can always move it there and tell qbittorrent to use that as the seeding source
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2831 [20:49:30] <b30wulf> must be rather low quality software
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2836 [20:49:53] <b30wulf> if the download directory setting is broken
2837 [20:49:54] <b30wulf> heh
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2841 [20:50:15] <annadane> yes except this is literally the first time it's ever happened
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2845 [20:51:50] <b30wulf> maybe u have some files or directories owned by root or another user within your Downloads directory
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2847 [20:52:56] <b30wulf> chown annadane:annadane -R /home/annadane/Downloads
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2857 [20:58:33] <hansol> rany, too late i set it to Yes
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2863 [21:01:15] <annadane> then why did you ask the channel?
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2886 [21:09:03] <hansol> Metronome XMPP Server
2887 [21:09:10] <hansol> its IRC server ?
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2889 [21:10:42] <greycat> hansol: replaced-url
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2905 [21:16:52] <hansol> !metronome
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2916 [21:22:08] <joepublic> The !something commands, like other bot information commands, are used primarily within conversations for one person to convey information to another by means of a knowledgebase contained in a bot. If you want to guess at random commands like !metronome, it is preferred to express that as /msg dpkg metronome
2917 [21:22:41] <annadane> !search dpkg
2918 [21:22:41] <dpkg> You can search my database on the web at replaced-url
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2921 [21:24:49] <joepublic> just so.
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2934 [21:32:09] <BCMM> hansol: ... it's an XMPP server. it's developed by people who use and like XMPP...
2935 [21:32:29] <BCMM> hansol: what i'm saying is, they do support on XMPP, not IRC
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2937 [21:32:57] <joepublic> so it's irc then?
2938 [21:33:14] <BCMM> joepublic: what is?
2939 [21:33:22] <SerajewelKS> joepublic: no, it's OSCAR
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2941 [21:33:40] <joepublic> oh.
2942 [21:33:46] * Tenkawa points to wikipedia
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2944 [21:33:58] <joepublic> wikipedia is oscar?
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2946 [21:34:03] <BCMM> oh, hansol was asking whether it's an IRC server, not where their IRC server is?
2947 [21:34:08] <Tenkawa> lookup xmpp or irc if you want definitions
2948 [21:34:41] <joepublic> well, really, what someone might have been asking is kind of an open question, I guess
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2950 [21:35:09] <joepublic> the google answer was a good one, almost like lmgtfy
2951 [21:35:10] <Tenkawa> joepublic: his questions have had no structure
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2954 [21:36:31] <joepublic> his english does not seem to be at mastery level, but then it is much better than my bulgarian, turkish, or romani, which are almost nonexistant actually
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2956 [21:36:47] <BCMM> eia1x: you're seeing that message because the package doesn't exist in Debian's repos any more. you can't reinstall it because you can't install it.
2957 [21:37:13] <joepublic> ,v mp3gain
2958 [21:37:14] <judd> Package: mp3gain on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.2-r2-2+deb7u1
2959 [21:37:43] <joepublic> commit to frankendebian, add wheezy sources and bob's your uncle.
2960 [21:37:43] <BCMM> eia1x: i assume you're not still running wheezy?
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2965 [21:39:20] <BCMM> eia1x: mp3gain is gone from debian because it's not developed upstream any more. use aacgain instead (despite the name, it supports mp3 as well as aac)
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2972 [21:40:45] <BCMM> oh, aacgain isn't actually in debian either, it's in deb-multimedia
2973 [21:40:45] <shtrb> Should network-manager start a separate process for it's dhcp requests ?
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2975 [21:40:54] <Tenkawa> shtrb: yes
2976 [21:41:12] <Tenkawa> dhcpcd right?
2977 [21:41:30] <Tenkawa> or something similar
2978 [21:41:31] <shtrb> In such a case, how could replaced-url
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2980 [21:41:45] <Tenkawa> let me look
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2982 [21:42:02] * Tenkawa personally really dislikes network-manager
2983 [21:42:26] <shtrb> I'm having hard time getting how such an attack possible (a CVE , that had been fixed already, but if it's a different process I don't get how an attack against a dhcp client could hit nm)
2984 [21:42:27] <BCMM> shtrb: isn't that about systemd-networkd, not network-manager?
2985 [21:42:37] <shtrb> it's both , replaced-url
2986 [21:42:48] <shtrb> I don't care about the systemd heap bug (that I understand)
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2988 [21:43:32] <Tenkawa> i dont see it in network-manager either
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2990 [21:43:46] <shtrb> the CVE tracker list network-manager
2991 [21:44:13] <Tenkawa> not on that link you sent
2992 [21:44:31] <Tenkawa> i just looked
2993 [21:44:44] <Tenkawa> on the first url
2994 [21:44:53] <shtrb> I gave two links a bug report with a fix and debian tracker CVE (which has it)
2995 [21:44:53] <shtrb> yes
2996 [21:44:58] <Tenkawa> let me look at the second
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2998 [21:45:19] <shtrb> unless the tracker is wrong, and I get everything :)
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3002 [21:46:32] <Tenkawa> what version network-manager package do you have
3003 [21:46:39] <noln> the network-manager commit link at the bottom of the debian security-tracker page points to a diff in networkmanager's /src/systemd/src/libsystemd-network/ suggesting that NM copies systemd source inside its source. That's typically done not to rely on the host distro's systemd versiona nd doesn't necessarily mean NM affected
3004 [21:46:49] <Tenkawa> that second link shows whoich one it was fixed i n
3005 [21:46:51] <Tenkawa> er in
3006 [21:47:10] <shtrb> I'm safe from it, I'm just trying to understand how it could harm (if there is a different process)
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3008 [21:47:37] <Tenkawa> but yeah it looks source only
3009 [21:47:37] <annadane> what is the reason i rename an image file, it no longer autocompletes when invoked with feh?
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3012 [21:47:57] <annadane> and how can i get it to?
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3015 [21:48:21] <Tenkawa> heh thats when I dpkg-buildpackage
3016 [21:48:38] <greycat> annadane: You could disable bash-completion in your current shell by typing "complete -r".
3017 [21:48:39] <BCMM> annadane: do you mean some sort of autocompletion in feh itself, or just regular shell tab completion?
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3019 [21:49:05] <annadane> yeah the latter
3020 [21:49:07] <greycat> With bash-completion disabled, you would be back to standard bash tab completion.
3021 [21:49:20] <BCMM> annadane: did you change or remove the file extension when you renamed it? i'm guessing it's something to do with bash no longer considering it to be a file type that feh can handle
3022 [21:49:30] <greycat> BCMM: bash-completion, not bash.
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3028 [21:50:59] <shtrb> Tenkawa, never mind I think I have found how , apprently there is a setup where there is no separate dhcp client process (replaced-url
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3031 [21:51:30] <Tenkawa> ok
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3033 [21:51:39] <Tenkawa> sorry I wasnt more hepl
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3035 [21:51:53] <shtrb> you gave me the correct path to search :) thanks
3036 [21:51:59] <Tenkawa> er help
3037 [21:52:01] <Tenkawa> cool
3038 [21:52:29] <annadane> could i just rename them to image.png instead of image?
3039 [21:53:02] <shtrb> annadane, ./image works for you ?
3040 [21:53:19] <annadane> er... what?
3041 [21:53:37] <shtrb> there are case when auto complete stop searching in the local folder
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3043 [21:53:42] <shtrb> (not in feh)
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3059 [22:00:14] <annadane> ok yeah renaming them to .png does it
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3061 [22:01:05] <greycat> Still sounds like bash-completion to me.
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3064 [22:01:12] <greycat> Unless you're using zsh or something.
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3086 [22:13:37] <annadane> sure but i just solved it in bash-completion anyway, it's really a pretty trivial/irrelevant problem anyway
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3088 [22:13:48] <annadane> also it looks nicer in ls
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3130 [22:27:00] <Mawrick> Any tips on what might cause slow/buggy connection to phone ? (mtp) (I'm using testing, but just thought I'd check in here as well if it's some known "fixes" (using gnome)
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3133 [22:28:05] <annadane> Mawrick, i've kind of stopped saying to people they shouldn't crosspost but really, you've done it on 3 channels now and you're using testing to begin with
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3136 [22:28:25] <annadane> and #debian-next you already asked
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3143 [22:31:36] <Mawrick> ahh, sorry, thought it was different places/channels/different people, won't happen again :)
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3153 [22:36:02] <rebrec> hello, i don't know if i can ask my question here, i will try, please fell free to let me know if i am not in the correct place. I am running a freshly installed debian strech on a dedicated webserver. The installation has been done by the host provider (OVH). After a few hours trying to understand why an application running on this host couldn't c
3154 [22:36:02] <rebrec> onnect to a local proxy server, i have just realized that it "seems" that i cannot even do a local basic connection test using netcat utility. here is what i did : nc -lvp 9876 and ss -p | grep 9876 (no output). Iptables -L say that default policyies are all ACCEPT and no rules seems to be defined. I wonder where there could be a restriction
3155 [22:36:02] <rebrec> (i am running all of this as root)
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3165 [22:41:31] <rebrec> umm nevermind... sorry for disturbing
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3168 [22:44:34] <eia1x> /quit/quit
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3191 [22:56:44] <jhutchins_wk> rebrec: People often use telnet (the client) for that kind of test as you can specify a port and will sometimes get useful interaction.
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3212 [23:08:35] <rebrec> jhutchins thanks but nc does what telnet does + many other things (like create a listening daemon to test basic tcp listening fonctionality. My worry was more about some OS restriction anyway it is solved now. Thanks for your advice
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3218 [23:13:04] <Tenkawa> netcat is handy
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3222 [23:14:14] <Tenkawa> assuming thats the nc you mean
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3228 [23:19:14] <b30wulf> yeah so
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3236 [23:20:35] <BCMM> also importantly, nc does what telnet does - certain things
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3239 [23:22:04] <BCMM> telnet isn't raw tcp, and occasionally it matters that telnet won't actually transmit every character you send to it unmodified
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3279 [23:40:19] <b30wulf> pulseaudio outputs line noise when entering idle state
3280 [23:41:18] <b30wulf> would daemonize = yes prevent idle ?
3281 [23:41:24] <b30wulf> and the noise heh
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3283 [23:41:55] <b30wulf> it doesnt seem to obey settings in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
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3287 [23:43:23] <SerajewelKS> if it's idle, it shouldn't be outputting anything
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3292 [23:44:41] <b30wulf> how to prevent idle
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3295 [23:45:42] <srged> why does my screen looks like this and how can i undo it? replaced-url
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3297 [23:45:50] <SerajewelKS> b30wulf: do you hear the same noise after running pulseaudio --kill
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3301 [23:46:13] <SerajewelKS> srged: turn off transparent background in your terminal
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3303 [23:46:46] <b30wulf> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Failed to kill daemon: No such process
3304 [23:47:04] <SerajewelKS> b30wulf: so pulse isn't even running then... or it's not running as your user
3305 [23:47:08] <b30wulf> this is whats running /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=n
3306 [23:47:10] <b30wulf> o
3307 [23:47:13] <b30wulf> heh
3308 [23:47:16] <SerajewelKS> idle noise is most likely an ALSA issue
3309 [23:47:27] <SerajewelKS> when pulse goes idle it suspends the ALSA device
3310 [23:47:27] <srged> SerajewelKS: not that, i mean the thick green bar at the left.
3311 [23:47:36] <b30wulf> killing pulseaudio stops the noise
3312 [23:47:38] <SerajewelKS> srged: oh. wait, green?
3313 [23:47:45] <SerajewelKS> i don't see any green, just white
3314 [23:47:54] <srged> grey*
3315 [23:48:06] <SerajewelKS> maybe it's a new panel? what happens when you right click on it?
3316 [23:48:29] <SerajewelKS> b30wulf: google suggests that you can disable the pulse module suspend-on-idle
3317 [23:48:29] <annadane> for me what i did after i got blasted in my headphones sometimes with screechy noise is to have pavucontrol open at all times
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3319 [23:48:45] <SerajewelKS> b30wulf: a better solution would be to fix the alsa problem, but this is a bandaid at least
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3321 [23:48:48] <srged> SerajewelKS: yes you were right, its fixed now. thx!
3322 [23:48:55] <SerajewelKS> np
3323 [23:48:58] <annadane> not to adjust the volume when it happens but just having it open makes it not happen
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3326 [23:49:35] <SerajewelKS> i haven't had to deal with a lot of those issues since i put JACK between pulse and ALSA
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3328 [23:50:15] <b30wulf> how to reload pulseaudio settings
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3331 [23:50:54] <SerajewelKS> restart it, usually
3332 [23:51:53] <b30wulf> when editing daemon.conf it didnt load the stuff up
3333 [23:51:59] <b30wulf> after a reboot
3334 [23:52:15] <SerajewelKS> i mean restart pulse
3335 [23:52:21] <SerajewelKS> also i don't know what "load the stuff up" means
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3337 [23:52:52] <b30wulf> well i edited daemon.conf, set daemonize = yes, restarted pulseaudio, it still had daemonize=no flag
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3340 [23:53:01] <b30wulf> so rebooted, still had daemonize=no flag
3341 [23:53:16] <b30wulf> anyhow problem is fixed right now
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3344 [23:54:09] <SerajewelKS> daemonize probably doesn't do what you think it does
3345 [23:54:19] <b30wulf> yeah i figured it doesnt
3346 [23:54:25] <b30wulf> heh
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3348 [23:54:33] <SerajewelKS> usually it's a detail that the process that starts pulse needs to know/set
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3351 [23:55:03] <SerajewelKS> to fix your problem, you probably just want to stop loading the suspend-on-idle module
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