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5 [00:06:38] <ChmEarl> strlen.c is in the source for libc6: tar -tf glibc_2.27.orig.tar.xz | grep strlen -> glibc-2.27/string/strlen.c
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7 [00:07:04] <ChmEarl> its never on a stock debian install
8 [00:07:43] <joepublic> you can search the contents of packages here: replaced-url
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10 [00:09:34] <BoggGod> Hey, after trying to fix screen tearing by installing compton for xfce I'm logging in to a black screen again... I tried reinstalling xfce, changing from gdm3 to lightdm, trying to login with kde, but all results in a blackscreen. Can only log in via terminal by changing tty. Any idea how I could fix this?
11 [00:10:01] <BoggGod> (debian buster, nvidia graphics)
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14 [00:11:04] <RoyK> ChmEarl: servo left - another way btw is apt source libc6
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16 [00:11:13] <jhutchins> ,v xfdesktop4
17 [00:11:14] <judd> Package: xfdesktop4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.3-2; jessie: 4.10.2-3; stretch: 4.12.3-3; buster: 4.12.4-2; sid: 4.12.4-2; experimental: 4.13.2-1
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46 [00:33:23] <Ede|Popede> jhutchins: i think this is what i did. put the iso to a stick while i was not ready to do the actual install, then forgot about it being the live. seems i missed some screens during install (like software selection) but all it would take later is some cleanup.
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79 [01:10:22] <Texou> hi
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81 [01:11:55] <Texou> would someone accept to help me with Emacs: I use pomode and I can not get the result I want: removing \n when I press Enter in my translation to have it displayed on 80 columns. An idea?
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167 [02:17:34] <atomicCyborg> Hi. I'm currently on Debian Buster XFCE and I have a problem mounting a BD-RE disc containing some old backups of mine. The disc uses UDF file system, last burn was done on Windows 7 with either CDBurnerXP or cdrtfe, and it does open on that system.
168 [02:17:51] <atomicCyborg> I'm presented with the following message when I'm trying to mount it:
169 [02:18:04] <atomicCyborg> Failed to mount "Weekly_Odd_01"
170 [02:18:08] <atomicCyborg> Error mounting system-managed device /dev/sr0: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error
171 [02:18:23] <atomicCyborg> FWIW Xfburn sees this disc as empty.
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174 [02:18:47] <atomicCyborg> Does anyone suspect what might be a potential cause of such problem?
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252 [03:18:01] <annadane> atomicCyborg, you can try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is the channel for testing/unstable support
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262 [03:31:22] <atomicCyborg> Thanks for the tip, annadane. I'll do that.
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267 [03:36:06] <Ooze> What's the best way to link /etc in my homedir? Normal ln -s is giving me different permissions
268 [03:36:38] <hyperlumic> Given that /etc should in nearly almost all cases only be writable by root, what are you trying to accomplish?
269 [03:36:53] <hyperlumic> s/nearly almost/nearly/
270 [03:37:41] <Ooze> it's just nice to edit sysconfigs via my smb share
271 [03:37:57] <Ooze> I want to do the same for /var/replaced-url
272 [03:39:16] <hyperlumic> Tell me you aren't exposing your system config via smb.
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274 [03:40:48] <Ooze> mostly for apache configs
275 [03:41:18] <hyperlumic> "Mostly."
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277 [03:41:33] <hyperlumic> What you're doing isn't just bad. It's Bad and Wrong(tm).
278 [03:42:04] <WoC> can someone clarify if there is a ppc64 port ? can it be downloaded and installed or is there an eta ?
279 [03:42:48] <hyperlumic> ppc64el is a supported architecture, I believe.
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326 [04:27:06] <aphorise> I have debian on /dev/sda1 & Windows on /dev/nvme0n1p4 - but how to add this to grub? - it didnt pick it up automatically.
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340 [04:44:03] <thither> Is it feasible to modify the partition sizes on a machine over SSH?
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342 [04:46:32] <hyperlumic> Not... advised.
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348 [04:56:50] <thither> hyperlumic, and it has RAID set up :D
349 [04:57:00] <thither> The other option is set it all up from scratch
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351 [04:57:15] <thither> Losing the data wouldn't be a problem really given my alternative
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354 [04:58:22] <hyperlumic> You didn't use LVM?
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357 [05:01:00] <thither> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
358 [05:01:08] <hyperlumic> I'll take that as a no.
359 [05:01:17] <thither> How can I check that?
360 [05:01:46] <hyperlumic> mount | grep mapper
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363 [05:02:43] <thither> No output
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366 [05:05:27] <rwp> thither, try running: vgs
367 [05:05:38] <rwp> vgs is the volume group sumary
368 [05:05:48] <rwp> If installed it will say something. If not then it will be command not found.
369 [05:05:51] <hyperlumic> If he's using lvm, the /dev/mapper paths will show as the device that's mounted.
370 [05:06:01] <hyperlumic> Doesn't matter if a volume group exists if he's not actively using it.
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372 [05:06:18] <hyperlumic> In this case, it would appear that he's not using LVM for the system.
373 [05:06:47] <rwp> thither, You say resize... What do you have? What do you want? In terms of partitions and sizes...
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375 [05:07:46] <thither> I might just migrate to a different server anyone. Looks like for another 2 Euro I can go from an E3-1275V2 to an i7-6700
376 [05:08:27] <thither> rwp, I didn't really look at the config when I set up the machine through my dedi host. So it has a separate / and /home config. 1TB is in / and thus I can only store 2TB on /home
377 [05:08:50] <rwp> Is that a limitation?
378 [05:09:06] <thither> It's a problem
379 [05:09:20] <rwp> And remember that using symlinks one can map paths. For example /usr/lib/mysql can be symlinked to /home/mysql and then use the full space there.
380 [05:09:30] <rwp> Just using mysql as one example.
381 [05:09:42] <thither> I need it homogeneous
382 [05:10:06] <thither> But this other server is a much better deal so I think I will just migrate anyway. Also has more storage (and probably newer drives).
383 [05:10:07] <rwp> And if it is a VM hoster then they might provide ways for you to bring the VM offline and copy the data to a new partition and then bring the new system online.
384 [05:10:13] <thither> Not a VM
385 [05:10:17] <rwp> You might ask them. They would probably be happy to help.
386 [05:10:32] <rwp> If it is bare metal then of course then it is all your problem to have and to solve. :-)
387 [05:10:41] <hyperlumic> thither: What percentage of a cost increase is that?
388 [05:10:54] <thither> hyperlumic, 6%
389 [05:11:11] <thither> It's 34 Euro for a 6700, 32GB of RAM, 2x4TB and 1Gb/s NIC
390 [05:11:29] <thither> vs. 32 Euro for E3-1265V2, 32GB of RAM, 2x3TB and 1Gb/s NIC
391 [05:11:45] <thither> I'm using RAID 1 though
392 [05:11:52] <thither> So only 3/4 TB on either
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395 [05:13:41] <rwp> ?? 2x3TB drives in RAID 1 mirroring sounds like 3TB of usable space. How is 3/4 TB arrived at?
396 [05:13:55] <hyperlumic> I think it's 3 or 4.
397 [05:13:56] <thither> I mean 3 or 4 TB, not 0.75 TB
398 [05:14:02] <thither> Sorry
399 [05:14:17] <rwp> Okay. Understood. It just confused me.
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401 [05:14:30] <thither> I have the whole thing dockerized (Deluge, Caddy, Plex, Portainer). So hopefully this migration is easy.
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404 [05:15:08] <thither> If the new system has brand new drives I might just YOLO it an go RAID 0
405 [05:15:26] <hyperlumic> And that would be stupid.
406 [05:15:29] <thither> :D
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409 [05:18:54] <JohnDoe2> not sure what's going on but I can't get debian 9/stretch to load up the extra IPv6 from /etc/network/interfaces. I ran systemctl restart networking which seems to not have an effect (I'm just looking at the fact that the new IPs do not get listed by ip addr)
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411 [05:21:21] <hyperlumic> JohnDoe2: /etc/network/interfaces file, please?
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419 [05:26:55] <rwp> Is 'ifup $iface' still a thing in the new NM and/or systemd universe? If so I would do that for testing.
420 [05:27:38] <JohnDoe2> hyperlumic replaced-url
421 [05:28:34] <hyperlumic> JohnDoe2: One questions why you're using a prefix of 128.
422 [05:29:30] <JohnDoe2> not sure about that, I assumed it should be 128, those two address blocks I added, the one with 64 was already there
423 [05:29:49] <hyperlumic> It looks like all of those addresses are on the same subnet. Is that correct?
424 [05:30:07] <JohnDoe2> but I did have it 64 too, and I'm not sure it even gets as far as trying to apply the new settings
425 [05:30:11] <JohnDoe2> yes they are, you are correct
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427 [05:30:17] <hyperlumic> It doesn't, but we'll get to that in a second.
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429 [05:30:21] <JohnDoe2> got it
430 [05:30:45] <JohnDoe2> so keep the same netmask for all IPv6 blocks, 64
431 [05:30:49] <hyperlumic> So, the prefix length (netmask, in this file) for IPv6 will be 64 99.9% of the time. The other 0.1% are edge cases, usually point to point links.
432 [05:30:58] <JohnDoe2> understood
433 [05:31:02] <hyperlumic> The reason for this is because under IPv6, ALL subnets have the same prefix length: /64.
434 [05:31:31] <JohnDoe2> oh ok
435 [05:31:35] <hyperlumic> Anything smaller, such as a /96, is TECHNICALLY possible, but a violation of standards. Anything larger, say a /48, is actually an allocation of multiple subnets, not a single subnet.
436 [05:31:49] <hyperlumic> So, that's the why on the 64 vs 128 thing.
437 [05:32:06] <JohnDoe2> got it, I appreciate the explanation, I was ignorant
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440 [05:32:41] <hyperlumic> The real problem here is that Debian, via /etc/network/interfaces, can't assign more than one IP to a single interface without the use of aliases.
441 [05:32:49] <hyperlumic> Give me a second and I'll work up how that looks.
442 [05:33:35] <JohnDoe2> ok thank you
443 [05:33:36] <ozzloy> replaced-url
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448 [05:34:48] <hyperlumic> JohnDoe2: replaced-url
449 [05:35:10] <hyperlumic> JohnDoe2: Made a couple of edits to clean it up, too. Notice that you don't actually need the netmask line.
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451 [05:35:20] <hyperlumic> JohnDoe2: You can just do CIDR notation in the address field.
452 [05:35:31] <JohnDoe2> awesome, thank you much
453 [05:35:44] <hyperlumic> And you REALLY only need the DNS stuff on the primary interface.
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455 [05:35:59] <hyperlumic> Oh, one last edit, hold on.
456 [05:36:00] <JohnDoe2> much much better
457 [05:36:01] <JohnDoe2> ok
458 [05:36:40] <hyperlumic> replaced-url
459 [05:37:09] <hyperlumic> JohnDoe2: Your post-up will create problems if you down the interface, then bring it back up. It'll fail with a duplicate route. So I added a pre-down so that it removes the route when you down the interface.
460 [05:37:20] <JohnDoe2> so clean up the route and add it, awesome
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464 [05:38:26] <hyperlumic> Let me know how that works out. Was going from memory on that one.
465 [05:39:30] <rwp> hyperlumic +1 on that cleanup! I also paused at the netmask line thinking /64 would be nicer. And also on the many dns-nameservers lines.
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467 [05:40:01] <rwp> Speaking of dns-nameservers... I assume resolvconf is installed? Since that is the utility that uses the dns-* lines??
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469 [05:40:22] <hyperlumic> resolvconf gets installed by default, last I checked.
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471 [05:40:47] <JohnDoe2> I made the changes, ran systemctl restart networking and it still seems to not like the ipv6 block, it only picks up the local link fe80::. But that means it's actually considering the file now.
472 [05:40:48] <hyperlumic> OH. It does not.
473 [05:41:10] <hyperlumic> JohnDoe2: Output of 'ip -6 addr'?
474 [05:41:44] <rwp> Isn't there an openresolv or something as a competitor now too? But if not installed then it doesn't do anything. Which could mean no nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf
475 [05:41:45] <JohnDoe2> replaced-url
476 [05:42:13] <JohnDoe2> is a reboot mandatory when you first switch from DHCP to static?
477 [05:42:29] <hyperlumic> I won't say it's mandatory... but I do.
478 [05:42:46] <JohnDoe2> got it :)
479 [05:42:55] <hyperlumic> Do me a favor.
480 [05:43:02] <JohnDoe2> yes?
481 [05:43:02] <hyperlumic> Change all of the 'allow-hotplug' to 'auto'.
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483 [05:43:07] <JohnDoe2> ok
484 [05:43:21] <hyperlumic> I wonder if that parameter isn't sane for an interface alias.
485 [05:43:47] <JohnDoe2> I'll find out in a bit, it's booting back up
486 [05:43:52] <rwp> Yes! auto is the init network subsystem, whereas allow-hotplug is the event driven on. (event driven could be ifup $IFACE)
487 [05:44:16] <hyperlumic> JohnDoe2: Oh, you're gonna hate me. That won't work, hold on.
488 [05:45:04] <JohnDoe2> nah this is WAY faster than me googling, I tried it before coming here
489 [05:45:35] <hyperlumic> I knew interface aliases were deprecated, I forgot that there's a new method.
490 [05:46:00] <hyperlumic> JohnDoe2: replaced-url
491 [05:46:05] <rwp> ozzloy, Apparently no one who is a node.js person is hanging around at the moment and the rest of us here just don't know anything about it. :-(
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493 [05:46:34] <rwp> ozzloy, I suggest asking again at a different time and perhaps you will get lucky with the different folks at that time. :-)
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497 [05:47:57] <hyperlumic> JohnDoe2: Random question... Do you have a gateway for IPv6?
498 [05:48:04] <hyperlumic> Because that's sort of missing, here.
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500 [05:49:08] <JohnDoe2> I can't see one provided (vultr, this a KVM vps)
501 [05:49:21] <hyperlumic> Oh, hell, I know Vultr's setup very well.
502 [05:49:22] <JohnDoe2> the main IPv6 assigned uses router discovery apparently
503 [05:49:24] <hyperlumic> You can't use static IPv6.
504 [05:49:35] <JohnDoe2> oh snap :/
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506 [05:49:53] <hyperlumic> HOWEVER. Your allocated prefix never changes, AND you can use a static host ID.
507 [05:50:13] <hyperlumic> Any particular reason you want multiple addresses?
508 [05:50:45] <rwp> hyperlumic, WDYT about adding addresses in an 'up' section such as "up ip addr add ..."?
509 [05:50:56] <JohnDoe2> honestly, not a good reason, I am just curious
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511 [05:52:25] <hyperlumic> JohnDoe2: Okay, so this is actually a lot simpler.
512 [05:53:12] <hyperlumic> replaced-url
513 [05:53:33] <hyperlumic> You can change the host ID (token) to whatever you want. It's the low 64 bits of the address.
514 [05:54:00] <hyperlumic> So you can set it to ::dead:beef:cafe if you want, and you'll wind up with 2001:1#f#:
515 [05:54:22] <JohnDoe2> I see, cool, so vultr pretty much handles the rest
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517 [05:54:53] <hyperlumic> That's SLAAC for you, yes.
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519 [05:55:23] <hyperlumic> RFC 4862 - IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration, aka SLAAC.
520 [05:55:32] <JohnDoe2> boy do I have a lot to learn
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522 [05:56:28] <hyperlumic> By default, SLAAC will set the host ID to an encoding of the interface's MAC address. That can be overridden in a couple of ways, one of which is by setting a token on the interface, which forces the host ID to a static value.
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524 [05:57:12] <JohnDoe2> I see, that's cool
525 [05:57:32] <hyperlumic> End result is something similar to a static IP, but you don't have to configure much of anything.
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528 [05:58:53] <JohnDoe2> you are awesome, thanks so much for dedicating all this time to teach a noob
529 [05:58:59] <JohnDoe2> it worked perfectly ;)
530 [05:59:17] <hyperlumic> Theoretically, you should be able to set secondary static IPs on the interface...
531 [05:59:19] <hyperlumic> Lemme test that.
532 [06:00:06] <hyperlumic> That DID NOT work.
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534 [06:00:55] <hyperlumic> Second address just straight overwrote the first.
535 [06:02:00] <hyperlumic> Either way, that should get you up and running.
536 [06:02:02] <JohnDoe2> that's a bummer, it seems the change to no alias notation is fairly new, I found someone's answer from August 10 recommending this.
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538 [06:02:10] <JohnDoe2> it did, actually, thank you
539 [06:02:14] <hyperlumic> It's about ten years old, actually.
540 [06:02:19] <hyperlumic> I just keep forgetting about it.
541 [06:02:33] <hyperlumic> The alias configuration went out with net-tools back in, uhh, 2008.
542 [06:02:53] <hyperlumic> iproute2, the current networking tools, support multiple addresses on one interface without aliases.
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544 [06:03:02] <hyperlumic> rwp: I think your up ip addr add might be the best route for this.
545 [06:03:04] <JohnDoe2> I see, cool
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551 [06:05:18] <hyperlumic> Hmm. Now I'm curious.
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553 [06:05:24] <hyperlumic> rwp: That does work, by the way.
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555 [06:06:47] <hyperlumic> And that's the only method that works.
556 [06:07:06] <hyperlumic> Post-up/pre-down to add and delete secondary addresses.
557 [06:07:18] <hyperlumic> Try to do it with additional config stanzas, and it just clobbers the autoconfigured address.
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566 [06:18:06] <JohnDoe2> yup that "up /sbin/ip -6 addr add dev ens3 2001:1#f#:
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568 [06:18:19] <JohnDoe2> thank you guys, once again
569 [06:18:35] <hyperlumic> Make sure you have a /64 at the end of that address.
570 [06:18:42] <hyperlumic> Or Bad Things(tm) will happen.
571 [06:18:55] <hyperlumic> And also make sure to add a 'down' that deletes the address.
572 [06:18:56] <hyperlumic> Or Bad Things(tm) will happen.
573 [06:19:13] <JohnDoe2> ah, true :D yes, I already have a down line that removes it. thank you
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609 [06:47:30] <rwp> JohnDoe2, Recommend NOT using full hard code paths such as /bin/ip since that will move with the upcoming usrmerge activity. Just call it ip and let it be found on PATH.
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611 [06:48:02] <JohnDoe2> thanks for the heads-up, updated it
612 [06:48:27] <aphorise> replaced-url
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614 [06:49:21] <rwp> hyperlumic, Cool! :-) (That's the way I have always done additional IPv4 addresses. But times change and I am becoming stale on some things.)
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617 [06:52:30] <rwp> aphorise, You have run update-grub after making that change? You can verify by looking at /boot/grub/grub.cfg and the result there.
618 [06:54:42] <aphorise> rwp yes I did - it didnt work thus I tried putting that entry manually using a thread on stackoverflow
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621 [06:57:55] <rwp> I don't have any dual boot systems with windows so can't help further, sorry, but you appear to be doing the right thing in concept. Just the details of that section need to be different.
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675 [08:06:35] <ozzloy> rwp, i ended up installing nvm with the nvm suggested shell script. i'm just doing it long enough to give a friend some help with coding, so i can uninstall it soon.
676 [08:06:48] <ozzloy> rwp, thanks though
677 [08:09:00] <rwp> ozzloy, Good luck!
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682 [08:14:42] <rwp> ozzloy, I don't know anything about node but a quick look leads me to believe that npm is the node package manager. If one is using the debian packages then one would not use npm but would install the node-$foo package where $foo is the node.js package one wants to install.
683 [08:16:04] <rwp> It looks like in Sid there is an npm package with an npm that likely installs node modules into /usr/local if I guess correctly. (Similar in concept to cpan command for perl, probably.)
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712 [08:58:25] <Smithe> Hi, when I try to compile openldap with openssl instead of gnutls it exit and give that backtrace: replaced-url
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723 [09:12:13] <n4dir> Smithe: in all that output i see an error about uuid.h missing. You probably saw it already, but that's where i would start investigating further.
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725 [09:12:18] <jelly> Smithe, > conftest.c:89:23: fatal error: sys/fstyp.h: No such file or directory
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727 [09:12:42] <n4dir> oh, even more. too much output for me, it seems.
728 [09:13:24] <noln> and sys/devpoll.h, which <replaced-url
729 [09:13:28] <jelly> Smithe, you'll want to apt-get build-dep openldap, for a start.
730 [09:14:04] <jelly> also, if this is raspbian and not debian, ask in #raspbian
731 [09:15:04] <Smithe> jelly, already asked
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734 [09:15:55] <Smithe> And I already have all the declared dependencies
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737 [09:17:36] <n4dir> and you have got the *.h files it complains about?
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739 [09:18:22] <jelly> let's continue in the right channel then
740 [09:18:27] <n4dir> or that.
741 [09:18:52] <Smithe> n4dir, CAN You make me a list?
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743 [09:19:46] <n4dir> jelly complained it is offtopic here, and he sure is right. Let's respect that. Try raspian or linux (i for one no hardly anything anyway)
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745 [09:20:02] <n4dir> no-> know. sorry.
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753 [09:30:59] <agris> what package provides the mkisofs utility?
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755 [09:33:17] <iovec> agris: install genisoimage (debian doesn't symlink it to mkisofs iirc)
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757 [09:33:43] <agris> hmm. What happened to cdrecord utility?
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759 [09:34:16] <iovec> shipped as wodim, which is a fork
760 [09:34:41] <agris> woah really? what happened? why a fork?
761 [09:35:00] <iovec> no idea
762 [09:36:54] <at0m> also growisofs
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777 [09:48:12] <noobling> What is the purpose of symbols file in .deb?
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779 [09:49:21] <noobling> does that mean it takes care of shared libraries and partial upgrades properly by using symbols.to check if ABI breaks or not, in dpkg?
780 [09:49:22] <agris> Is there any way to use the lightscribe feature of my disc burners in Debian?
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784 [09:52:32] <jelly> do a web search for lightscribe linux, see if there are results
785 [09:52:37] <noobling> just asking if abi breaks are tracked by dpkg
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789 [09:54:30] <jelly> noobling, they're not. symbol changes in .so libraries are managed only during building
790 [09:54:43] <jelly> from source
791 [09:55:36] <agris> jelly, well it mostly revolves around downloading this weird blob from an archive of an old site from 2004, running that and preloading some random libraries to get the program to still execute
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793 [09:55:56] <noobling> jelly: so that means if I install some library from elsewhere that breaks ABI dpkg won't warn me?
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795 [09:56:14] <jelly> noobling, correct.
796 [09:56:20] <agris> I wanted to know if there was a Debian way to use lightscribe burning. Or some free software I could compile
797 [09:56:25] <noobling> just asking as I'm trying to understand how symbol files in debs help here
798 [09:56:45] <noobling> do any other package managers tracks ABI breaks?
799 [09:56:51] <noobling> track*
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810 [10:09:05] <jelly> noobling, reading the policy (replaced-url
811 [10:11:09] <shtrb> what capability / dbus policy should I change to allow mmcli to get location-get-3gpp ? the man file replaced-url
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900 [11:25:24] <SPF> I installed debian some days ago, after the reboot, I was able to log into ssh successfully. But after one hour the ssh connection dropped and I always got connection refused. Strangely today I'm able to login, what could be the problem?
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905 [11:29:44] <jelly> SPF, look at relevant logs (/var/log/auth.log for sshd). Do you have firewall rules in place on the ssh server? fail2ban?
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907 [11:31:15] <SPF> jelly: I checked messages, syslog, daemon log, dmesg, auth. No firewall and no fail2ban
908 [11:32:09] <SPF> the only thing I see in dmesg I don't understand is [25626.764577] perf: interrupt took too long (16105 > 16068), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 12250
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910 [11:34:18] <SPF> systemctl status sshd says Active: active (running) since Sat 2018-11-24 00:43:37 CET; 1 day 10h ago
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964 [12:13:21] <catbeard> need some help fixing networking.service on 9.5
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966 [12:13:45] <catbeard> it can't find eth0
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974 [12:27:54] <jelly> SPF, if there's no obvious local cause on the server you need to look at network issues
975 [12:28:42] <jelly> SPF, eg. if the ssh client and ssh server are on the same network segment, maybe you have more than one machine with same IP address configured as ssh server
976 [12:29:38] <jelly> catbeard, can you pastebin the output of "ip a", maybe as a screenshot
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982 [12:32:51] <jelly> SPF, and no reasons in auth.log why sshd would have been restarted yesterday?
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986 [12:34:19] <bites> catbeard: also the contents of /etc/network/interfaces please.
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995 [12:37:43] <untitled> mysql does not install to debian 9 with this guide replaced-url
996 [12:37:48] <untitled> I'm getting post-installation script errors: Package mysql-community-server is not configured yet
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998 [12:39:55] <untitled> I'd like to know how to install mysql8 to debian
999 [12:40:03] <SPF> jelly: that was the last time I rebooted, so sshd did not restart after reboot
1000 [12:40:10] <untitled> not mariadb-whatver-version, just normal mysql
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1020 [12:53:57] <put_in> hello, what is the recommended way to enable all locales on a system? dpkg-reconfigure locales (and hit all) or aptitude -y install locales-all?
1021 [12:54:04] <put_in> and what exactly is the difference between both?
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1109 [13:49:57] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone
1110 [13:50:16] <rocketmagnet> what's the command that i can use to pastebin command line output to a pastebin in debian ? i forgott the name
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1112 [13:50:45] <n4dir> pastebinit
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1114 [13:50:51] <rocketmagnet> it reads the command line output and pastes it to something like pastebin.org
1115 [13:51:30] <diogenes_> you can also use: <command> | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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1118 [13:51:48] <rocketmagnet> n4dir: how to use it with dmesg ?
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1121 [13:52:48] <n4dir> rocketmagnet: ha ha. if i knew i would have said it (i don't know it out of box, and wild guessing won't help you). I would redirect and use the file, or use what diogenes_ said.
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1123 [13:53:37] <n4dir> a simple "command | pastebinit" seems to work, but it is only a short test.
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1132 [13:56:19] <rocketmagnet> n4dir: replaced-url
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1134 [13:58:19] <rocketmagnet> n4dir: everything looks normaly to mee
1135 [13:58:29] <rocketmagnet> but i don't get /dev/sdb :X
1136 [13:58:53] <n4dir> gotta say that i haven't much of a clue when it comes to external disks or sticks or sd-cards. I would try gparted, but i doubt it will tell you any more.
1137 [13:59:20] <rocketmagnet> gparted also doesn't show me the /dev/device
1138 [13:59:28] <n4dir> nothing at all?
1139 [13:59:30] <rocketmagnet> android does recognice it :X
1140 [13:59:33] <rocketmagnet> no
1141 [13:59:46] <rocketmagnet> i only see the sdax stuff but no sdb :X
1142 [14:00:04] <n4dir> i recall such, when using a micro-sd from the smartphone, but it's way too long ago. I doubt i can be of help with that problem.
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1144 [14:00:36] <n4dir> bugger them a bit more in #linux, there probably is someone who knows about such problems.
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1149 [14:01:53] <rocketmagnet> ok
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1151 [14:01:58] <rocketmagnet> i'll try that
1152 [14:02:06] <n4dir> good luck. :-)
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1161 [14:02:45] <jelly> put_in, the whole "dpkg-reconfigure locales" thing was useful 15 years ago when disk space was scarce, if you want all of them just install locales-all
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1164 [14:04:00] <jelly> put_in, locales-all is maybe a little bit less tested and may cause issues at libc6 upgrade or release upgrade time
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1175 [14:10:34] <RoyK> put_in: I just use locales-all
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1207 [14:37:28] <azi`> I'd like to run a very minimal debian version from a USB stick and have an ISO ready for such things. Ideally I'd like to be able to tailor it for my needs (e.g compiling my own kernel)
1208 [14:37:35] <azi`> is there any good place to start that you'd recommend?
1209 [14:37:58] <azi`> like a debian version for such cases, or should I simply pick the latest ISO and trim it down myself?
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1227 [14:43:55] <n4dir> "trim it down" as in deselect "desktop environment" during installation? azi`
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1229 [14:44:14] <n4dir> it is not clear to me what you mean with "have an ISO ready"
1230 [14:45:26] <azi`> n4dir: remove unnecesary applications, have my own kernel
1231 [14:45:27] <azi`> etc
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1234 [14:45:59] <n4dir> anyway: if you want to compile your own kernel anyway, then a debootstrap installation might be what you are looking for (i for one would do the rather comfortable installation via iso, but you asked for it=
1235 [14:46:37] <n4dir> azi`: if you deselect environment during installation there really isn't that much (you might also deselect the task "standard", or similar).
1236 [14:46:42] <n4dir> Makes any sense?
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1239 [14:47:22] <azi`> n4dir: i am not following, what would you do?
1240 [14:48:16] <n4dir> ha. sorry. i for one would use the iso and deselect everything but standard. debootstrap installation is the other option, but is quite some extra work.
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1242 [14:48:53] <n4dir> i never heard of a smaller based-on-debian distro for such needs (there has been damn small linux, but that is ages ago)
1243 [14:48:54] <azi`> yeah I don't uderstand what deselect means?
1244 [14:49:02] <n4dir> ok.
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1246 [14:49:10] <azi`> i'd like to end up with my own iso that I can share with people
1247 [14:49:23] <azi`> but it has to only contain software that i want and a specifically compiled kernel
1248 [14:49:40] <n4dir> during the process of installation, after base system is installed, you can make some extra choices, for example the desktop environment. Just deselect it.
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1251 [14:50:34] <azi`> but then debian gets installed righ?
1252 [14:50:35] <pingfloyd> he's saying don't install the desktop task in the installer
1253 [14:50:35] <azi`> right*
1254 [14:50:45] <pingfloyd> you can uncheck them all and get it pretty trim
1255 [14:50:50] <azi`> i want to have a distro that I will only run from the usb
1256 [14:50:53] <n4dir> azi`: right, it gets installed and is a workable command-line installation.
1257 [14:50:55] <pingfloyd> base install is pretty barebones really
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1259 [14:51:17] <n4dir> i once deselected "standard" too, and i sure would never do that again.
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1261 [14:51:19] <pingfloyd> azi`: after you tweak the system, you need to make a new iso
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1264 [14:51:37] <pingfloyd> then it will be like what you want
1265 [14:52:01] <jelly> !custom d-i
1266 [14:52:01] <dpkg> To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see replaced-url
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1268 [14:52:48] <azi`> great thanks
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1271 [14:53:48] <n4dir> there is the non-debian tool refractasnapshot, which creates an installable live iso from a running and configured system. Very easy, but last time i checked it didn't work well with non-standard kernels.
1272 [14:54:02] <azi`> sweet that's a good start
1273 [14:54:21] <n4dir> live-helper (or live-builder) could do that too, but not anymore (from what i have heard). Still a cool tool you might want to look into
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1282 [14:59:12] <azi`> n4dir: thanks
1283 [14:59:35] <n4dir> good luck, fun, and all that :-)
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1285 [15:00:15] <rabbitear_sdf> fun and luck
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1289 [15:00:47] <rabbitear_sdf> as the two get closer to gether, fun.... ....luck
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1295 [15:02:46] <rabbitear_sdf> replaced-url
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1307 [15:06:28] <RoyK> ,v php
1308 [15:06:29] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 1:7.2+62; sid: 2:7.3+68
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1339 [15:21:46] <Antares> j #windows
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1357 [15:39:14] <Ooze> I'm uploading files to my debian server via FTP, and I want these newly created files to be owned by the 'users' group, not just my own group. Am I understanding correctly that 'chmod g+s .
1358 [15:39:41] <Ooze> Will change the permissions on all newly written files in that dir?
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1376 [15:49:53] <rebag> heyall
1377 [15:50:20] <rebag> i'm looking for a software to visualize all fonts installed on my system, dya know any plz ?
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1380 [15:54:44] <Eduard_Munteanu> rebag, GNOME Specimen
1381 [15:55:33] <rebag> replaced-url
1382 [15:55:38] <rebag> Eduard_Munteanu, thx :)
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1426 [16:18:50] <oo_miguel> I put an entry in /etc/anacrontab starting with : @daily 10 cron.hello ... but it seems to get executed about once an hour? Any suggestion what I might be doing wrong?
1427 [16:19:04] <GNU\colossus> use systemd timers instead
1428 [16:19:34] <oo_miguel> Is anacron deprecated?
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1432 [16:20:14] <bleb> no it's maintained and packaged
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1439 [16:21:36] <oo_miguel> I am not familiar with systemd timers and anacron worked fine for my purposes (before reinstalling debian)
1440 [16:22:16] <oo_miguel> I would prefer to fix my anacaron setup before switching to another solution (as systemd timers)
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1443 [16:23:43] <shtrb> is there an option for dpkg/apt to show when I installed a package ?
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1445 [16:24:35] <bleb> oo_miguel: i don't know how or why systemd might be interferring with this but based on what GNU\colossus said, it might be a systemd issue
1446 [16:24:46] <bleb> oo_miguel: so you could try replaced-url
1447 [16:25:00] <bleb> oops replaced-url
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1449 [16:25:23] <oo_miguel> bleb: hmmm oh. so anacron might not work along systemd? Ill have a look at this thank you
1450 [16:25:46] <oo_miguel> from what I understand systemd is used for other purposes too (as the complete boot process)
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1457 [16:30:38] <bleb> oo_miguel: tbh i'm not sure, but if the last time it worked was on sysvinit then it might be a factor
1458 [16:30:51] <bleb> oo_miguel: isn't anacron usually run by cron?
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1460 [16:31:31] <oo_miguel> bleb: hmm I think it used to work on systemd too. Just loooking throught the config files of cron and anacron...
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1464 [16:32:29] <oo_miguel> it seems to be run by systemd
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1469 [16:33:22] <trebor_home> hello ;)
1470 [16:33:35] <oo_miguel> anacron.timer - loaded active waiting Trigger anacron every hour
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1474 [16:34:48] <bleb> oo_miguel: there ya go
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1476 [16:36:21] <trebor_home> hello. i am trying to install debian (or other linux-distro) on a machine with uefi (can not be disabled) and secure-boot off. booting from liveDVD does not work - booting via usb (copied iso via dd) does not work either. do i have to prepair the iso or before burning / dd to usb? (i only have linux - no windows)
1477 [16:36:32] <Borntuft> hello
1478 [16:36:36] <trebor_home> uefi-on
1479 [16:37:13] <trebor_home> (rufus*.exe did not work on my debian)
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1481 [16:37:37] <trebor_home> (wine 3.0.3)
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1483 [16:38:05] <xand> trebor_home: you should just dd the iso to a usb stick e.g. dd if=debian-xxx.iso of=/dev/sdc
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1486 [16:39:03] <trebor_home> xand: ok, that is exactly what i did.
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1488 [16:40:58] <oo_miguel> how can I see what this systemd entry: anacron.timer runs exactly?
1489 [16:41:01] <xand> did you try different types of USB drive?
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1494 [16:42:00] <trebor_home> xand: thanks for the hint. i'll try this.
1495 [16:42:24] <trebor_home> xand: should the live-dvd work, too (uefi-on, secure-boot-off)?
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1497 [16:42:30] <xand> yes
1498 [16:42:56] <xand> whenever I've had that issue, it's some weird compatibility between the PC and the USB stick
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1508 [16:47:22] <AebianWeb> Hi guys, I think I broke my debian installation. The locale packages seems to be removed and some other system utitlities. When trying to to a sudo apt --fix-broken install I get the error that the locale command cannot be found. If I try to install the locale package via deb file I get replaced-url
1509 [16:47:55] <AebianWeb> is there anything I can do to fix this?
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1511 [16:49:15] <trebor_home> xand: do i have to prepare the usb stick before doing dd? partition table gpt or sth?
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1513 [16:50:17] <dvs> trebor_home, nope, just make sure you write to the DEVICE and not the PARTITION
1514 [16:50:51] <xand> ^
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1517 [16:51:20] <Brigo> AebianWeb, what did you do?
1518 [16:51:26] <joepublic> AebianWeb, check your path.
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1521 [16:52:09] <AebianWeb> already did joepublic // Brigo I tried to libc6
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1523 [16:52:16] <AebianWeb> *update
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1526 [16:52:23] <Brigo> is libc-bin installed=
1527 [16:52:24] <AebianWeb> which turns out I did wrong
1528 [16:52:24] <Brigo> ?
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1533 [16:52:52] <Brigo> AebianWeb, how did you update it?
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1536 [16:53:41] <AebianWeb> via the deb package as far as I can tell and apt
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1538 [16:54:24] <AebianWeb> I'm not exactly sure which way I did it. I just noticed that my system is now broken because many programs rely on the locales package
1539 [16:55:46] <Brigo> AebianWeb, via what deb package? do you got some random libc-bin package from some random source and installed it?
1540 [16:56:08] <AebianWeb> no... libc6_2.27-8_amd64.deb
1541 [16:56:17] <AebianWeb> from the official debian repo
1542 [16:56:26] <Brigo> AebianWeb, are you using stable?
1543 [16:57:01] <AebianWeb> yes
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1545 [16:57:29] <Brigo> ,v libc6
1546 [16:57:31] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-8; sid: 2.27-8; experimental: 2.28-0experimental1
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1548 [16:57:59] <Brigo> then you installed the buster package in an stretch system. Yes, you broke your system.
1549 [16:58:13] <Brigo> only that package?
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1551 [16:58:19] <AebianWeb> yes
1552 [16:58:37] <AebianWeb> a program needed a newer version of libc6 thats why I did it
1553 [16:58:58] <Brigo> AebianWeb, well, maybe you can install back the 2.24-11+deb9u3 vesion and get your system back.
1554 [16:59:13] <fragment1> hi people
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1557 [17:00:08] <fragment1> spent 8 hours googling a weird iptables error. google doesn't appear to have a damn clue. It's a raspberry pi. And kali so you probably hate it already. But you might know?
1558 [17:00:13] <fragment1> root@NODE-XD:~# uname -a ; iptables -L
1559 [17:00:13] <fragment1> Linux NODE-XD 4.14.69-Re4son-v7+ #1 SMP Tue Oct 9 21:32:51 AEDT 2018 armv7l GNU/Linux
1560 [17:00:13] <fragment1> iptables: Operation not supported.
1561 [17:00:25] <Brigo> AebianWeb, try apt install libc6=2.24-11+deb9u3
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1564 [17:00:59] <Brigo> maybe you need "" like apt install libc6="2.24-11+deb9u3" on something like that, not sure.
1565 [17:01:15] <Brigo> AebianWeb, and from then reinstall your missing packages.
1566 [17:01:21] <Brigo> AebianWeb, sorry i have to go now.
1567 [17:01:32] <fragment1> sorry to interrupt
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1569 [17:02:09] <AebianWeb> replaced-url
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1571 [17:02:22] <AebianWeb> ok thanks Brigo
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1576 [17:04:09] <joepublic> "A program needs a different version of libc" means "recompile it on the target system"
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1582 [17:05:37] <AebianWeb> well I just need libc6-dev to tell that the version of libc6 that will be installed is not newer. But I guess recompile should also work. I will do it now
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1605 [17:23:01] <spackle259> hey guys any idea what is causing my system to error out and throwing me on the terminal?
1606 [17:23:03] <spackle259> replaced-url
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1656 [17:45:07] <AebianWeb> joepublic: so I tried to compile it. The make seems to fail on make[2]: *** No rule to make target '../manual/errno.texi', needed by '../sysdeps/gnu/errlist.c'. Stop.
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1663 [17:53:02] <annadane> how can one tell where one is on the dmesg timer, like how many seconds elapsed since startup?
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1665 [17:53:53] <xand> annadane: try dmesg -T
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1671 [17:55:09] <annadane> nope
1672 [17:55:23] <xand> maybe I misunderstand the question
1673 [17:55:55] <annadane> yeah i didn't word it well
1674 [17:56:59] <annadane> i have compton running in a tab and occasionally will throw errors, and at the start will have things like [ 329979.54 ]
1675 [17:57:17] <annadane> my question has nothing to do with compton, it's just an example, but i was just wondering how to see where i am in terms of seconds elapsed
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1682 [17:59:53] <bites> first number in /proc/uptime
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1708 [18:06:41] <]BFG[> hi, is the latest google chrome runs on Debian Wheezy?
1709 [18:06:52] <]BFG[> or which was the last version which run on it
1710 [18:06:58] <shtrb> Wheezy is a bit old
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1714 [18:08:50] <GNU\colossus> annadane, check `dmesg -T`
1715 [18:09:18] <GNU\colossus> ah
1716 [18:09:23] <GNU\colossus> someone already said that :)
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1724 [18:11:36] <shtrb> Trust systemd, it would be so much fun bugs.debian.org/819919
1725 [18:11:38] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1726 [18:11:57] <shtrb> We are two years in stretch with a live bug :-(
1727 [18:12:12] <shtrb> *two years with this systemd bug
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1729 [18:13:09] <annadane> that bug report has a reply saying "it may be your configuration" and another reply saying "fixed in the latest version"
1730 [18:13:14] <annadane> so not sure blaming systemd is the way to go here
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1734 [18:13:35] <shtrb> sorry, rant should had been in to /dev/null
1735 [18:13:46] <Tashtari> Hi all. Is there any sort of archive of past testing release ISOs?
1736 [18:14:03] <RoyK> shtrb: (Possibly) relevant info: This is debian system running under OpenVZ. <-- guess that's the source of the problem…
1737 [18:14:04] <annadane> past testing release?
1738 [18:14:21] <Tashtari> annadane: Like if I wanted to download the weekly testing ISO from a past week
1739 [18:14:28] <shtrb> RoyK, nope , sorry I used the suggested fix
1740 [18:14:36] <RoyK> shtrb: also, running Sid and asking for help here isn't going to work too well
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1742 [18:14:44] <RoyK> !next
1743 [18:14:44] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
1744 [18:14:48] <RoyK> !debian next
1745 [18:14:50] <shtrb> annadane, that is for stretch
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1747 [18:15:06] <annadane> there's replaced-url
1748 [18:15:13] <annadane> anyone else know?
1749 [18:15:31] <annadane> RoyK, !debian-next
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1751 [18:16:08] <shtrb> ,v openvpn
1752 [18:16:10] <judd> Package: openvpn on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.1-8+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.2.1-8+deb7u5; jessie: 2.3.4-5+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.3.4-5+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch-security: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1; stretch: 2.4.0-6+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 2.4.4-2~bpo9+1; buster: 2.4.6-1; sid: 2.4.6-1
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1757 [18:16:18] <annadane> hmm actually let me search a sec for this testing thing
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1760 [18:16:51] <Tashtari> Hm, doesn't look like snapshot.debian.org keeps old ISOs, just old packages.
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1762 [18:17:33] <Tashtari> Maybe it'd be helpful to zoom out a bit here... I would ordinarily use stable, but the kernel on stable is problematic on my POWER9 system, apparently it needs at least 4.16.
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1764 [18:17:48] <annadane> Tashtari, then use the backported kernel, which is 4.18 IIRC
1765 [18:17:51] <annadane> !backports
1766 [18:17:52] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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1768 [18:18:01] <annadane> ,kernels
1769 [18:18:02] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc7-686-pae (4.19~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-3-686 (4.18.20-2); buster: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-
1770 [18:18:03] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
1771 [18:18:11] <annadane> stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1
1772 [18:18:25] <dvs> 686? yuck!
1773 [18:18:26] <Tashtari> annadane: Is there an installer ISO that supplies this? Even the installer won't run properly if it has a kernel that is too old.
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1776 [18:20:03] <shtrb> RoyK, I checked with the stretch version from (replaced-url
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1789 [18:26:20] <Tashtari> annadane: What would I need to do in order to use that backports kernel?
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1792 [18:27:14] <annadane> Tashtari, just enable the backports repository and apt -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64 (if the architecture is amd64), i believe
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1794 [18:27:29] <annadane> backports.debian.org has instructions
1795 [18:27:36] <dvs> !tell Tashtari about stretch backports
1796 [18:27:53] <bites> which is hard if you can't install the system in the first place.
1797 [18:28:00] <Tashtari> Yeah, that.
1798 [18:28:15] <annadane> essentially a line in your /etc/apt/sources.list saying deb replaced-url
1799 [18:28:18] <Tashtari> annadane: I don't think I can get that far, is the problem. The stable installer disk wedges, the testing installer disk complains it can't find kernel modules.
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1803 [18:28:46] <bites> if you can't use the installer, you can install debian from a different system using debootstrap and doing everything manually.
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1805 [18:28:53] <annadane> right, i just got confused because you asked me the same question you asked me a second ago. i didn't answer the first time because i don't know, someone smarter can answer
1806 [18:28:55] <bites> but that's a lot of work.
1807 [18:29:15] <Tashtari> Hmm. :/
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1809 [18:29:25] <bites> the testing installer doesn't work for you?
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1814 [18:29:57] <bites> !debian-next
1815 [18:29:57] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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1817 [18:30:17] <bites> Tashtari: you can ask over there if you have problems with the testing installer. ^
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1819 [18:30:36] <Tashtari> All right, I suppose I'll give that a try. Thanks.
1820 [18:30:42] <bites> good luck.
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1822 [18:31:01] <annadane> generally if you want to ping someone again to ask the same question, say something like "do you know/have any idea", otherwise the different wording makes it sound like a different question
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1825 [18:32:33] <RoyK> shtrb: but still, OpenVZ isn't the most popular thing around these days
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1830 [18:34:45] <shtrb> not using openvz ...
1831 [18:34:52] <shtrb> *in my case
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1834 [18:35:55] <trebor_home> hm. using debian-9.6-nonfree-live. within the live-system i do not find debian-installer (after su). trying to install from the boot-menu does not work either (missing kernel-modules - if i try nonetheless, ethernet is not installed (i quit)). do i have to give some boot-parameters to get the (graphical / text) installer to work?
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1840 [18:38:00] <annadane> trebor_home, it's generally recommended to *install* using the installer and not the live image
1841 [18:38:11] <annadane> (and if you need non-free there's an image for that too)
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1846 [18:39:19] <annadane> (eww. and i still can't find where they actually are. debian really needs to fix their website)
1847 [18:39:26] <annadane> !non-free firmware
1848 [18:39:42] <joepublic> to be fair, contrib and non-free are not at all a part of debian.
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1850 [18:40:02] <annadane> granted.
1851 [18:40:56] <joepublic> is this helpful? replaced-url
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1853 [18:43:44] <trebor_home> annadane: yes, that is why i tried from the boot menu of that one, too. the liveCD should/can not be used to install (even if there is a boot-menu-entry for gui-install, text-install)?
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1855 [18:44:35] <trebor_home> ok, i' ll use the standard-debian install-dvd then
1856 [18:44:44] <joepublic> the live boot media is kind of an unofficial, beta-level project; you may or may not be able to use it as expected.
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1858 [18:45:19] <trebor_home> ah. ok.
1859 [18:45:26] <joepublic> whereas the install media is backed by the full faith and confidence of debian after decades of work etc. etc.
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1861 [18:45:42] <trebor_home> ok - doing so.
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1871 [18:53:44] <firespeaker> anyone know why shutter seems to've disappeared from testing?
1872 [18:55:49] <annadane> replaced-url
1873 [18:56:15] <annadane> it's also been removed from unstable: replaced-url
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1877 [19:00:17] <joepublic> it's feature-rich, but one of the features is unfortunately "depends on obsolete GNOME 2 libraries"
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1884 [19:06:12] <firespeaker> annadane, joepublic: aha, thanks. I figured it was something like that, but was having trouble finding info on it
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1889 [19:07:13] <firespeaker> anyone have any suggestions for something similarly feature-rich?
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1893 [19:08:43] <joepublic> I use lximage-qt ----screenshot which gives me the choice of whole screen or current window, with or without mouse cursor, with or without window title/frame, with or without configurable delay.
1894 [19:08:55] <joepublic> somehow -- became ---- above.
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2057 [20:37:10] <Pr0metheus> anyone knows in C++ how to use the new operator without messing with the overcommit setting? I am trying to allocate a large array: long double *elements = new long double[100000*1000000](); but no exception is thrown and in debug it hangs on this line waiting. I know it's a C++ question but it is also a Linux-specific one:)
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2061 [20:38:42] <annadane> you really are better asking in a programming or linux place IMO
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2070 [20:40:40] <Kohlrabi> Pr0metheus: That's trying to allocate 750GB on the heap, right?
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2074 [20:42:06] <Pr0metheus> Kohlrabi yes
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2077 [20:43:06] <Pr0metheus> annadane ok, will try
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2081 [20:44:04] <Kohlrabi> Pr0metheus: You have 750GB of RAM?
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2084 [20:45:51] <Pr0metheus> Kohlrabi no but I was expecting an exception when I found out that it doesn't happen due to the overcommit feature of linux or as someone suggested a virtual memory, but the point is that when I debug it is just waiting on the line long double *elements = new long double[100000*1000000](); //no idea what it is doing
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2086 [20:46:25] <Pr0metheus> haven't managed to find online a solution on how to check/use the new operator properly
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2091 [20:48:17] <hyperlumic> It's likely freezing because the system is trying to allocate the amount of memory you've requested. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot of paging in and out while it was "frozen."
2092 [20:48:20] <Kohlrabi> Pr0metheus: I guess it's a question of Runtime/Compiler/etc., but I'm just guessing, look for an expert
2093 [20:48:24] <Kohlrabi> It's probably UB
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2097 [20:49:07] <Pr0metheus> Kohlrabi what is UB?
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2099 [20:49:49] <Pr0metheus> hyperlumic if you can't use malloc to check and no exception is thrown with new, how do you verify that you managed to allocate the memory in linux? that is my problem
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2101 [20:50:47] <hyperlumic> One questions why you're trying to allocate an array with 100 billion elements.
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2105 [20:52:31] <Pr0metheus> hyperlumic I want to allocate some arrays that will be almost at the limit of my RAM so I tried to pass this limit and see if I get an exception or warning or something. So I used just for example an excessive value to make sure I can't allocate this.
2106 [20:53:00] <hyperlumic> How much RAM do you have?
2107 [20:53:03] <Tenkawa> just set a ulimit
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2109 [20:53:11] <hyperlumic> Like... This sounds ridiculous.
2110 [20:54:01] <Tenkawa> soon as you go past it it... error
2111 [20:54:20] <Pr0metheus> 32GB but I don't understand why it is ridiculous
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2117 [20:56:43] <Pr0metheus> Tenkawa thanks for the solution, if I don't find a programmatical way to bypass this I will follow your advice
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2119 [20:58:06] <Tenkawa> no problem.. its a handy resource limiter
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2124 [21:05:13] <Kohlrabi> Pr0metheus: Undefined behaviour
2125 [21:05:29] <Kohlrabi> i.e. the standard does not specifiy what will/should happen
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2128 [21:05:53] <Kohlrabi> So your tooling can do whatever random stuff
2129 [21:05:53] <Kohlrabi> Hang, allocate parts of it, blow up your CPU
2130 [21:06:05] <Pr0metheus> great:)
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2134 [21:07:34] <Tenkawa> be consevative and set test cases
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2136 [21:08:43] <Tenkawa> especially if you dont have a "project goal"
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2175 [21:30:25] <scatterbrainz> afternoon peeps ;)
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2180 [21:32:33] <Jemt> Hi. Both PHP 5.6 on Debian 8 and PHP 7.0 on Debian 9 are deprecated in a month and will no longer receive security updates. What do we do to ensure a stable and secure server environment?
2181 [21:32:53] <scatterbrainz> upgrade to stretch?
2182 [21:32:55] <scatterbrainz> 9.5?
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2193 [21:35:36] <hyperlumic> scatterbrainz: Not helpful. stretch uses PHP 7.0.
2194 [21:35:47] <scatterbrainz> ooooooh....
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2196 [21:35:48] <Jemt> Debian Testing for a server? I'd rather not :-/
2197 [21:35:51] <scatterbrainz> sorry :(
2198 [21:35:55] <Jemt> NP :)
2199 [21:36:24] <scatterbrainz> how do you know what version of php your running?
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2201 [21:36:31] <Jemt> It seems like a real security concern that is not being addressed.
2202 [21:36:47] <hyperlumic> Jemt: Generally, Debian continues to provide security updates via backported code for packages that are still supported.
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2204 [21:37:49] <Jemt> hyperlumic: Yes, I read replaced-url
2205 [21:38:03] <scatterbrainz> idk, i just installed 9.5 and it installed 7.0
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2207 [21:38:19] <scatterbrainz> so if its depricated in a month (7.0) then why is it still for download?
2208 [21:38:30] <Jemt> scatterbrainz: Debian 7.0 no longer receive security updates - it's obsolete.
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2210 [21:38:39] <scatterbrainz> php 7.0 i mean
2211 [21:38:46] <hyperlumic> Read what I just said.
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2213 [21:39:00] <Jemt> replaced-url
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2215 [21:39:10] <Jemt> Details about End of Life for PHP
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2217 [21:40:04] <Jemt> Fingers crossed that PHP 7.2 will be made available via backports soon.
2218 [21:40:22] <hyperlumic> Software that is EOL upstream will still receive security support from Debian as long as the Debian release is within support.
2219 [21:40:29] <hyperlumic> So, again, security fixes are backported.
2220 [21:41:00] <Jemt> hyperlumic: Okay, that sounds reassuring. Does that apply to Old Stable as well ?
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2222 [21:42:12] <hyperlumic> From Debian's website: "The security team tries to support a stable distribution for about one year after the next stable distribution has been released."
2223 [21:42:16] <Jemt> Just found this: replaced-url
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2225 [21:43:01] <hyperlumic> "Debian LTS will not be handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies interested in making it a success."
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2229 [21:43:40] <Jemt> Yeah, that kind of phrasing really makes me worried :-/
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2231 [21:43:56] <hyperlumic> Then stick to a stable release.
2232 [21:43:58] <Jemt> I completely understand. This is open source. But it's not reassuring.
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2234 [21:44:05] <Jemt> Good point
2235 [21:44:07] <hyperlumic> As opposed to oldstable.
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2237 [21:45:48] <hyperlumic> judd: checkbackport --fromrelease sid --torelease stable libapache2-mod-php
2238 [21:45:49] <judd> No package named '--fromrelease' was found in sid/amd64.
2239 [21:45:52] <Jemt> Thank you very much for your input :-)
2240 [21:46:07] <hyperlumic> judd: checkbackport libapache2-mod-php --fromrelease sid --torelease stable
2241 [21:46:08] <judd> Backporting package libapache2-mod-php in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
2242 [21:46:14] <rabbitear_sdf> you are very much welcome Jemt
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2244 [21:46:33] <scatterbrainz> i'm trying to figure something out....
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2246 [21:47:01] <hyperlumic> Jemt: Given the workload involved with keeping PHP up to date in Debian, I highly doubt that 7.2 or 7.3 will ever hit stretch-backports.
2247 [21:47:04] <rabbitear_sdf> I'm glad I'm not
2248 [21:47:33] <Jemt> hyperlumic: Okay, I suppose that makes sense :-)
2249 [21:48:07] <scatterbrainz> you know how sql and mariadb sit on the server, they technically don't need apache, so if you wanted to interact with a cloud version of the db would it be copied into could?
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2251 [21:48:57] <rabbitear_sdf> replaced-url
2252 [21:48:58] <hyperlumic> Jemt: If a newer PHP is absolutely -required-, your best bet might be a server operating system that packages a newer PHP. Ubuntu's current LTS release, for example, packages 7.2, as does the IUS repo for CentOS 7.
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2254 [21:50:22] <LinuxFire> running buster php -v
2255 [21:50:22] <LinuxFire> PHP 7.2.9-1 (cli) (built: Aug 19 2018 06:56:13) ( NTS )
2256 [21:50:38] <Jemt> hyperlumic: Okay, thanks for the suggestion
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2304 [22:21:43] <jhutchins> For future reference, almost all main line distributions will provide security support for the version of PHP they were released with by backporting patches from the later versions. This allows code written on that release to continue to function without having to be rewritten.
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2342 [22:48:56] <awal1> my conky sometimes doesn't appear/not displayed even if logs says it is started and running. I don't see anything wrong in the config file replaced-url
2343 [22:49:06] <awal1> any idea?
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2356 [22:59:38] <hypn0> killall conky, then conky? awal1
2357 [23:00:09] <Adon> what is runnerkristy67 ?
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2359 [23:00:59] <awal1> hypn0, i know and it works. the issue i have happens maybe once at week. so what i want is discover what happens
2360 [23:01:23] <awal1> not sre when it will happen next time so not really sure how to proceed :P
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2362 [23:01:54] <hypn0> maybe the delay when its started? make it longer?
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2364 [23:02:29] <awal1> maybe it is bcoz of transparency also
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2366 [23:02:44] <awal1> well, in my openbox autostart file I have: (sleep 2s && conky -c ~/.conkyrc) &
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2368 [23:03:01] <awal1> i will change it later to 5 s or so and see
2369 [23:03:05] <hypn0> I don't think it's the conky config
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2371 [23:03:20] <awal1> yep
2372 [23:03:39] <awal1> bcoz it always worked fine, i have that issue since a few months only
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2375 [23:04:01] <awal1> (sid system here)
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2381 [23:05:53] <annadane> then ask in #debian-next...?
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2390 [23:10:12] <awal1> not sure if -next specific
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2394 [23:10:48] <awal1> hypn0, this is the conky i get at the end replaced-url
2395 [23:10:50] <joepublic> ,v conky-all
2396 [23:10:51] <judd> Package: conky-all on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1.9.0-2; jessie: 1.9.0-6; jessie-backports: 1.10.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.10.6-1; buster: 1.10.8-1+b1; sid: 1.10.8-1+b1
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2399 [23:11:23] <joepublic> different versions. -next specific. that's how that works.
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2402 [23:12:41] <awal1> yeah . my idea was to know how to debug this since we have more people here , that is why I sometimes ask in stable channel :P
2403 [23:13:09] <joepublic> killall -HUP conky restarts any conkys you have.
2404 [23:13:53] <Ede|Popede> awal1: you have xfce?
2405 [23:14:21] <awal1> Ede|Popede, openbox
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2407 [23:14:48] <joebobjoe> is backspace ^? or ^H?
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2409 [23:14:59] <Ede|Popede> had the same problem with conky, didn't install it yet in stretch. had the impression that it hides behind the wallpaper
2410 [23:15:44] <Ede|Popede> used to start it with the F2 thingy and a script after killing all instances every time after login
2411 [23:16:06] <awal1> joepublic, it happens rarely, maybe once at week, as i said, so kill it when it doesn't appear helps, and that is what i do. my goal is know why that issue of not appearing
2412 [23:16:12] <joepublic> joebobjoe, the answer to that is context-dependent, but often the answer is control-h
2413 [23:16:44] <Ede|Popede> and transparency and own window... didn't find the ideal combination of all this.
2414 [23:17:10] <joepublic> awal1, if you monitor the output of the conky, perhaps >> your-conky-log-file.log, perhaps the output will be different when it doesn't appear and you can script the killall -HUP conky when that happens
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2417 [23:18:21] <awal1> joepublic, it may be as Ede says: it hides behind the wallpaper becuase the logs have no errors when it doesn't appear
2418 [23:18:44] <awal1> I will run my openbox without a wallpaper for a week or 2 and see so
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2422 [23:20:24] <awal1> joebobjoe is backspace ^? or ^H? what are you talking about?
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2424 [23:20:41] <awal1> nano or something?
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2427 [23:22:51] <n4dir> conky seems to have a -d option for debug, and if doing something like "conky -dd 2>&1 | tee -a conky.log" (or such) doesn't work from ./config/openbox/autostart, you could make a script which starts it like that. Not that sure, just something like it comes to my mind.
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2431 [23:24:49] <awal1> Ede|Popede, own_window and own_window_transparent works fine for me with 'compton'
2432 [23:24:56] <awal1> n4dir, will check that
2433 [23:25:24] <Ede|Popede> awal1: maybe because of my cheap *cough* nvidia *cough*
2434 [23:25:34] <n4dir> awal1: better ask someone who is sure about the exact command needed (above might or might not work as wanted)
2435 [23:25:44] <awal1> nvidia always problematic with linux seems
2436 [23:26:08] <awal1> n4dir, i will work it myself
2437 [23:26:29] <Ede|Popede> repainting wasn't satisfyinh and sometimes text used to get bolder after each round. until it was reset somehow from time to time
2438 [23:26:41] <annadane> re: asking in #debian. if you're using sid, do just ask in #debian-next. that's the point.
2439 [23:27:18] <Ede|Popede> and at start i even had the background of the login screen in the areas occupied by the conkys. fun fact: not in all of them. :shrug:
2440 [23:27:30] <n4dir> i just thought a bit about it, as to me it seemed hard to troubleshoot something which happens that seldom (by what i usually would do, move the config file out of the way, test it with a different user, etc). Then i thought: something like a log is needed.
2441 [23:27:44] <Ede|Popede> quickfix was to maximize a window to force a repaint
2442 [23:27:51] <awal1> Ede|Popede, use was using xcompmgr?
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2445 [23:28:44] <Ede|Popede> erm. didn't play around much wich such things (i tend to break them then), vanilla xfce, not even an alternative wm
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2447 [23:30:04] <awal1> xfce have it own transparency feature
2448 [23:30:09] <awal1> its
2449 [23:30:18] <Ede|Popede> compositing, hm. i think i looked at it for a while and then switched it of. was not sure if it was one of the reasons for all the freezes i realized in that period :)
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2451 [23:30:57] <Ede|Popede> because sometimes it happened when i allowed things like youtube to run in fullscreen
2452 [23:31:07] <awal1> never had issue with xfce. i used it usually in the past.
2453 [23:31:16] <awal1> i think your issues are nvidia related
2454 [23:31:41] <awal1> i see many people complaining about nvidia here
2455 [23:31:58] <Ede|Popede> it is some hardware problem here i think. definitely this "soft lockup... cpu stuck for 23s" was involved, only not sure if it was the only reason
2456 [23:32:43] <Ede|Popede> no idea what the kernel team made or debian... but after hopping to stretch all was fine again.
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2458 [23:33:19] <Ede|Popede> first thing i tried were some intense screensavers and the doom clones from the repo with everything pulled up. no more problems.
2459 [23:33:34] <Ede|Popede> and no more overheating. a miracle. i like it.
2460 [23:34:38] <Ede|Popede> and yes, nvidia. it was an offer. and i was sure that it was amd who wouldn't play fair. 50/50 chance. you guess which one i took....
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2464 [23:37:15] <VinAlencc> Hey, guys! How are you? I'd like to know how I can create/build/set a Debian srv to work as a gateway to connect 2 networks (192.168.1.0/24 <--> Debian_SRV_Gateway <--> 192.168.20/24). Do you know any site, blog, community etc, that teach how to do it?
2465 [23:37:33] <awal1> for avoid headache, I guess using intel is always a "better choice"
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2469 [23:39:16] <Ede|Popede> awal1: after my amd died i used the onboard for a short period of time. performance was, well...
2470 [23:41:17] <awal1> Ede|Popede, my laptop is usually for home use (a bit of office stuff, net and multimedia). until now I always had intel and no problems at all
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2472 [23:41:53] <awal1> I had an amd laptop for a few times with wheezy, I think all was fine. never had nvidia
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2474 [23:42:22] <awal1> regarding all the complains i see here about it, i will never get a nvidia stuff :P
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2477 [23:43:42] <Ede|Popede> i have an amd, you know. from my last pc. but guess what. agp. yeah. every pc i had so far was a technology island. i think i changed type of ram every time
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2480 [23:45:33] <awal1> i have seen some companies selling a few laptops with libreboot and all free blobs but they are too expensive
2481 [23:45:58] <hyperlumic> awal1: I've used nothing but nvidia for years.
2482 [23:46:13] <Ede|Popede> with intel i still have problems to put them into the "GPU" group. was hard enough to think of amd like this (intel, amd: cpu. ati, nvidia: gpu. correct? ;))
2483 [23:46:15] <awal1> and all fine?
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2485 [23:46:25] <hyperlumic> Yeah, it's been great.
2486 [23:46:26] <awal1> hyperlumic
2487 [23:47:02] <at0m> hyperlumic: same here. but then again i don't rely on fast 3D latest and greatest, check what works
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2489 [23:47:32] <awal1> Ede|Popede, i am clueless about graphic stuff :) bcoz I have never had issue with it using debian so I never tried to investigate that side :P
2490 [23:47:55] <Ede|Popede> nvidia may be fine for fps, but for what they cost if you want something really fine i get a complete pc
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2492 [23:48:06] <awal1> i am not into gamming also, so ... :P
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2494 [23:49:22] <hyperlumic> Ede|Popede: Not really a valid statement. If you don't buy high end, nvidia doesn't cost much different than AMD. If you NEED high end, AMD doesn't offer it.
2495 [23:49:32] <at0m> Ede|Popede: remember from long ago, when cpu's (386's?) got "mathematical coprocessor" that helped gfx. later that became outsourced to video card. now CPU's can do video again, often for price tempering or power use (mobile)
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2497 [23:49:48] <Ede|Popede> i was THINKING about getting something for doom, wenn it was out. but really, no. a pc is not only the graphic device
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2499 [23:50:22] <Ede|Popede> at0m: lol yes. had a 486sx25. games using vbe.exe and emu87.com :)
2500 [23:50:48] <at0m> Ede|Popede: so there's your answer to intel gfx
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2502 [23:51:38] <annadane> i'm sure nvidia is fine on its own but due to it being closed it really can't benefit from all the new free technologies linux uses
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2505 [23:52:09] <hyperlumic> annadane: lol wat
2506 [23:52:18] <at0m> idc, pc i'm working on now is 10yo
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2509 [23:53:20] <at0m> the cpu is at least. gfx probably half that
2510 [23:53:25] <Ede|Popede> and then there's also this: Asus Nvidia Geforce GT630 2GB DDR3 Grafikkarte HDMI VGA DVI GT630-2GD3
2511 [23:54:08] <at0m> Ede|Popede: i got asus nvidia, too. nvidia chip, asus card
2512 [23:54:08] <Ede|Popede> Asus/Nvidia. err well. my mb is asus/amd. too much to think of when replacement is needed
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2514 [23:55:07] <at0m> latest passively cooled gpu i could find :>
2515 [23:55:17] <Ede|Popede> and then i end up buying SOMETHING and so i have to live with a GT630 now.
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2519 [23:56:51] <at0m> < GT610, 2GB
2520 [23:57:22] <Ede|Popede> what about opengl and all this stuff with these?
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2523 [23:59:48] <Ede|Popede> glxgears shows 40fps. not too much i think xD
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