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81 [00:49:31] <cdumdum> hello every one, iwant to install nginx-xtra to have a webdav access. and when i put this command : apt install nginx-extra, i have this error replaced-url
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91 [00:57:39] <InvisibleRasta> hey guys, why isnt virtualbox available on debian 9+
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96 [01:01:37] <velix> Is it state of the art to log stdout and stderr of a systemd service to syslog with a identifier or to journal?
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98 [01:01:49] <FinalX> cdumdum: you're trying to install nginx from a third party repository (dotdeb), not the official debian repositories, and it already appears to be installed from another package, seemingly nginx.org's packages
99 [01:02:10] <FinalX> ...also third-party
100 [01:02:57] <cxc99> hi guys. does anyone have an ansible playbook or a shell script to create an openssl self-signed certificate with a Subject Alternative Name that will validate in firefox?
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102 [01:03:42] <cdumdum> well how can i fix it ? can i scifi wich repositori iwnt to use ?
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105 [01:06:10] <BCMM> cdumdum: what version of debian are you using?
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108 [01:07:32] <BCMM> cdumdum: jessie is not the current version of debian. stretch was released over a year ago now.
109 [01:07:34] <cdumdum> 8.11
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112 [01:09:11] <Brigo_> cdumdum, do you have backups?
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114 [01:09:17] <BCMM> you can have webdav, though nginx-extras, on plain debian - you don't need to use two different third-party package sources for that
115 [01:09:19] <cdumdum> well qit seem to me so hard to do a dist-upgrade without a bug somewhere....
116 [01:09:22] <BCMM> ^through
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118 [01:10:03] <BCMM> !dotdeb
119 [01:10:03] <dpkg> replaced-url
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121 [01:10:15] <BCMM> !dotdeb alternatives
122 [01:10:15] <dpkg> Software from <dotdeb> historically had a number of packaging or functional issues. If you require newer versions than what <stable> offers, a lot of the packages now have updates in backports.debian.org, ask me about <bdo> or for php possibly <deb.sury.org>; to remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'".
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124 [01:11:09] <InvisibleRasta> guys why there is no vbox guest additions for debian 9+
125 [01:11:12] <BCMM> removing half-broken third-party stuff might go some way towards making upgrade go more smoothly :)
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127 [01:11:57] <Brigo> InvisibleRasta, you can check these kind of questions in tracker.debian.org
128 [01:12:11] <BCMM> InvisibleRasta: isn't that what virtualbox-guest-dkms is?
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130 [01:12:28] <BCMM> InvisibleRasta: it's in backports
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134 [01:13:45] <Brigo> InvisibleRasta, there is a virtualbox-guest-additions-iso too
135 [01:14:07] <cdumdum> so i have to uninstall ngiinx and after install nginx-extra ?
136 [01:14:26] <InvisibleRasta> but its for odler version not new
137 [01:16:26] <BCMM> cdumdum: are you trying to install the dotdeb version of nginx-extra, or the debian one?
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139 [01:17:19] <cdumdum> well i want to install wich on who succed to beinstall !!!
140 [01:17:21] <somiaj> InvisibleRasta: oracle corprate policy prevents virtual box devs from backporting security support for vbox. Since this is against debian's stable policy of keeeping versions frozen, virtual box is no longer included with the release, but provided via backports (and thus the security team doens't support it, since there is no support from the devs to backport patches to the version in stretch)
141 [01:17:32] <somiaj> but you can get virtualbox in stretch-backports
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143 [01:17:52] <BCMM> cdumdum: look, why are you using dotdeb in the first place? do you need a specific feature from a newer version of nginx?
144 [01:18:09] <velix> Anyone with an idea?
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146 [01:18:17] <InvisibleRasta> somiaj: backport sounds horrible
147 [01:18:35] <BCMM> InvisibleRasta: why?
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149 [01:19:02] <somiaj> InvisibleRasta: The packages are made by the same developers. They just have no security support (and a bit less testing)
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153 [01:21:08] <BCMM> i blame copy-paste commands in howtos...
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160 [01:22:51] <storrgie> I'm new to debian, is there a way to look up how a package is built (specifically build arguments)?
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162 [01:24:02] <BCMM> cdumdum: well, i'm off to bed now. the problem you have is due to trying to mix packages from different sources, basically. you should decide if you want to use dotdeb packages or plain debian packages. if you want to use dotdeb, ask dotdeb for support.
163 [01:24:41] <cdumdum> well BCMM i said tha i just want a webdav with nginx and al over the web they say i have to install nginx-extras to have XFCE
164 [01:24:55] <somiaj> storrgie: you will have to grab the source package (add a deb-src to your sources.list and apt source foo) and then look in the debian/ directory for how it was built.
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166 [01:25:16] <somiaj> cdumdum: and dotdeb is known to make bad/broken packages, and we usually advise against using them.
167 [01:25:33] <BCMM> cdumdum: i really don't see the connection between xfce and nginx, sorry
168 [01:25:38] <BCMM> is that a typo?
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171 [01:26:13] <scatterbrainz> anyone know why a component would fail to load?
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174 [01:26:44] <BCMM> cdumdum: apart from being sort of broken, dotdeb is basically obsolete now anyway. if you want newer packages, just use an up-to-date version of debian.
175 [01:26:48] <cdumdum> ok, is there a way to match repositories from dotdeb and reinstall them from official repositorie, without if it is possible loose conf file ?
176 [01:27:05] <somiaj> !dotdeb
177 [01:27:05] <dpkg> replaced-url
178 [01:27:41] <somiaj> hmm, thought that said how to remove dotdeb. You can use aptitude to search packages by origin, and remove all packages from dotdeb, then install the proper ones from debian.
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181 [01:28:03] <storrgie> somiaj, is there a resource online that I can examine (so I don't have to pull more things to my system)?
182 [01:28:08] <somiaj> Though sometimes (unless you want to build your own packages), you need versions not provided by debian.
183 [01:28:14] <BCMM> cdumdum: config files that you have actually modified should not be removed when you uninstall a package (unless you purge the package). i wouldn't know whether dotdeb packages follow such norms, though. goodnight.
184 [01:28:37] <somiaj> storrgie: tracker.debian.org/packagename has links to an archive of the source trees I belive.
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186 [01:29:16] <somiaj> you can also check the changelog, /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz for info about config options used, changes.
187 [01:29:28] <somiaj> though that requires you have the package installed, if not tracker.debian.org also has links to the changelogs
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189 [01:32:38] <cdumdum> somiaj for a beginner like me wich repositorie is the best? how can i knowing wich repositorie is the best for this packages or that one ?
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194 [01:34:14] <somiaj> !don't break debian
195 [01:34:15] <dpkg> i guess dont break debian is replaced-url
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197 [01:35:41] <somiaj> that wiki article has some pointers. In general my advise is use offical debian packages whenever possible. If you are in a case where debian doesn't provide a package (or you need a version different than debian), then you need to be careful. In this case you have to trust the third party source you are using to work well with debian, and in general dotdeb has failed to do so. I don't really have a list
198 [01:35:47] <somiaj> of third party repos wich are nice, mostly a list of ones that are not nice.
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200 [01:36:10] <velix> Can anyone just give me a hint? you don't need to answer the question professionally.
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202 [01:37:49] <somiaj> velix: I smell an XY problem here, what are you trying to achieve.
203 [01:38:16] <somiaj> velix: when a service is started by systemd via a unit file, systemd should already be handeling where stderr and stdout go.
204 [01:38:36] <velix> somiaj: I've created a systemd service for one of my gunicorn apps and I don't know what's better: to log to file, to log to syslog (and use rsyslogd) or to log to system's journal.
205 [01:38:38] <somiaj> (I don't know where it actually outputs them, I think in the binary journal)
206 [01:38:49] <velix> somiaj: okay, I thought Debian has rules for this.
207 [01:39:12] <velix> PostgreSQL for example logs to good old /var/log
208 [01:39:31] <somiaj> for your service, I would decide what is best for you. You could create a logfile if needed, but systemd by default should be logging things into journald, and if you have persistant logs enabled (create /var/log/jounral) you have access to those logs
209 [01:39:36] <cdumdum> thanks somiaj
210 [01:39:38] <scatterbrainz> hey folks, how do you add MBR to a partitioned drive?
211 [01:39:40] <somiaj> sure, but not all services need their own indvudial logfile.
212 [01:40:03] <somiaj> scatterbrainz: is the drive partitioned using MBR (legacy) partition table or GPT partition table?
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215 [01:40:27] <velix> somiaj: okay, thanks a lot :D
216 [01:40:39] <scatterbrainz> ext4
217 [01:40:57] <somiaj> scatterbrainz: that is a file system on a partition, not the partition format used.
218 [01:41:17] <scatterbrainz> well i'm in the debian installer
219 [01:41:23] <somiaj> scatterbrainz: can you put the output of 'fdisk -l /dev/sdX' where /dev/sdX is your drive at paste.debian.net
220 [01:41:24] <scatterbrainz> niether of those options are available
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222 [01:41:59] <somiaj> okay, so why do you have this question about the MBR. The debian installer will be default use MBR partition tables if you boot in legacy mode and GPT partition tables if you boot in efi mode.
223 [01:42:09] <scatterbrainz> because the machine won't boot
224 [01:42:13] <scatterbrainz> and I'm in rescue mode
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227 [01:42:44] <scatterbrainz> somiaj: >>> replaced-url
228 [01:42:47] <scatterbrainz> its my post
229 [01:42:50] <somiaj> ahh, so grub failed to install? Do you recall if you are booting in efi mode or legacy?
230 [01:42:53] <somiaj> !fixmbr
231 [01:42:53] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
232 [01:44:07] <scatterbrainz> somiaj: I set the flag in the bios to "other OS" so that may mean -> legacy?
233 [01:44:31] <somiaj> I don't think so, I think that flag is for acpi stuff. This is a boot flag, and it should be called 'legacy boot'
234 [01:44:53] <scatterbrainz> let me check for yuo...i'll reboot it
235 [01:45:01] <scatterbrainz> >> Processing >> please stand by
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237 [01:45:05] <somiaj> But with the raid here, it could be something else is the problem, lets go back to the start.
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239 [01:45:14] <somiaj> Can you tell us what exact image you are using to install debian?
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243 [01:46:46] <somiaj> anyways, it is time for me to head home, so I cna't provide any more help, good luck getting debian to work.
244 [01:47:16] <cdumdum> by somniaj
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246 [01:47:42] <scatterbrainz> somiaj: debian-9.5.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso
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252 [01:49:49] <scatterbrainz> somiaj: i have 3 choices in CSM -> Boot Device Control -> UEFI & LEgacy OpROM | LEgacy OpROM only | UEFI
253 [01:49:55] <aloo_shu> scatterbrainz: somiaj said goodbye while you were away
254 [01:50:09] <scatterbrainz> ack
255 [01:50:29] <aloo_shu> hope someone else can help
256 [01:50:52] <scatterbrainz> i switched them all to legacy
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261 [01:51:35] <aloo_shu> (but somiaj hasn't quit yet, I see)
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374 [03:06:32] <pincho> Q: does anyone know if it is possible to cram a Debian 9.6.0 amd64 dvd1 iso content under say /debian-cd/9.6.0 of a debian mirror (mine) to be used during a PXE boot install? Or is there a better way to PXE+preseed install a specific release?
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376 [03:08:40] <rant> you dont need to PXE boot a whole DVD iso you can just boot a netinst and point it to a package repo
377 [03:09:10] <rant> its been a long time but I used to have a netgear router setup to boot various things including a debian installer
378 [03:09:30] <rant> so yes, its possible, cause while I dont remember details, I've done it
379 [03:09:45] <rant> on a cheap home router no less :P
380 [03:10:45] <pincho> The PXE uses netboot.tar.gz from 9.6.0 so from what I see I don't boot from the dvd. However I point to my mirror that contains just the dvd1 under /debian-cd/9.6.0.
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382 [03:11:24] <rant> what is your obsession with DVD1 iso? its not needed
383 [03:11:43] <pincho> I want a release
384 [03:11:51] <pincho> non moving source
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386 [03:12:24] <rant> because you're doing this on many machines?
387 [03:12:33] <pincho> I want network boot off a dvd essentially :)
388 [03:12:40] <pincho> yes
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390 [03:13:19] <rant> well you do realize if you literally want to boot am image via pxe you can just use isolinux or something..
391 [03:13:20] <pincho> and they need to be precisely off the release
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393 [03:13:32] <rant> I've used it to boot a bios flash floppy image before over pxe
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395 [03:14:05] <pincho> yeah but I like the flexibility to add a boot menu entry and a new version and test stuff before upgrading everything
396 [03:14:06] <rant> you CAN boot isolinux over pxe and it will in turn treat anything as though it were booted off a real disk
397 [03:14:23] <rant> thats what I'm talking about
398 [03:14:41] <rant> once you setup the PXE+ISOlinux you can change the ISO its actually loading any time you want
399 [03:14:45] <pincho> not sure sure how the parts fit together
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401 [03:15:15] <rant> its been like a decade since I done this so I dont recall offhand either but I know its doable..
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403 [03:15:54] <pincho> ok..let me google that a bit see if I get it
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409 [03:17:12] <rant> replaced-url
410 [03:17:25] <rant> seems similar to the kinda crap I had going on back in the day
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413 [03:18:51] <pincho> rant: that's precisely what I'm using right now actually :)
414 [03:19:05] <rant> I had a Netgear WNR3500-L with a thumbdrive in its USB port that held debian netinst, and my desktop install image which used nfs storage for my homedirs, and I kept Thinkpad Docks attached to the router that I could PXE boot any of my thinkpads.. I ran them for a long time with no HDDs in them. saves power, made it easy to just make changes to the OS on the thumbdrive and have it change on all machines
415 [03:19:11] <rant> simply by rebooting them
416 [03:20:24] <pincho> rant: I got everything working except that when my pxelinux.cfg/defaults menu entry starts it seems to start but then the installer fails saying some file is missing
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418 [03:20:46] <pincho> rant: and the log seems to say that the signature cannot be verified
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420 [03:21:16] <pincho> apparently they added some kind of signature verification on mirrors at some point
421 [03:21:27] <rant> idk I'm very sleepy and I haven't done this stuff in a LONG time.. but I know it can liteally boot anything.. I mean that time I used it to flash a bios.. we're talking a DOS based floppy image..
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424 [03:22:01] <rant> syslinux doesn't care what it is its actually booting, it just handles the booting and emulation of the device
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426 [03:22:36] <pincho> well it does boot over the network and start the installation...I think its just a question of my source is dodgy
427 [03:23:15] <pincho> but thanks at least I know this is not completely crazy
428 [03:23:19] <rant> heh
429 [03:23:26] <rant> no, its a lil out there.. but I've done worse
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432 [03:24:30] <rant> that time I was flashing a bios over PXE was on a toshiba satellite that had refused to boot.. the flash didnt fix it, it wouldnt boot from USB, CD, HDD, nothing but PXE so I'd setup a really old machine to PXE boot the OS off the laptops internal HDD.. after booting it all worked fine :P
433 [03:24:38] <rant> so I've done some rube shit with PXE before
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549 [04:35:45] <xdruppi> i've installed debian on my computer and it is unable to detect my monitor, it is detected as unknown monitor and displays wrong resolution, i've updated the system and i am also using propietary drivers
550 [04:35:48] <xdruppi> but it's not fixed
551 [04:35:54] <xdruppi> why could this be happening?
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554 [04:44:04] <scatterbrainz> 2 things come immediately to mind, does the monitor have a specific linux driver that needs to be installed, and does debian see the port that the monitor is plugged in on? lastly, does debian see the associated gpu to the display
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556 [04:47:23] <c|oneman> what is the best ARM Single board computer for debian kernel support
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559 [04:49:17] <xdruppi> scatterbrainz: a) no, b)yes, c)i do not know
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562 [04:49:51] <c|oneman> hmm I'll just check armbian.com
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567 [04:53:00] <scatterbrainz> is it /boot that has to have the bootflag or /root?
568 [04:53:08] <scatterbrainz> oops / (not /root) their dif
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772 [07:41:56] <pity> Hi, guys. I'm learning packaging and I got a question. How to automatically export some variables after I installed a deb package? I tried to put the `export FOO_PATH=/path/to/dest' in foo.postinst but it didn't work, any tips?
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779 [07:44:55] <saper> pity: who needs those environment variables? a user that is logged in to the shell or a service that runs when the system is starting?
780 [07:46:01] <saper> pity: generally it is easier to have a configuration file that sets the options desired instead of playing with environment variables; I'd rather let users use them to override certain defaults.
781 [07:46:14] <pity> saper: I think a user needs it.
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783 [07:46:26] <saper> pity: what is it?
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785 [07:47:11] <pity> saper: It's a customized GUILE_LOAD_COMPILED_PATH
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787 [07:47:52] <pity> saper: GUILE_LOAD_COMPILED_PATH="/usr/local/lib/guile/2.2/site-ccache"
788 [07:48:51] <somiaj> pity: why is a deb installing to /usr/local? Also what about this software requires this path to be present? Isn't there some default that the variable sets to (often set with ./configure at compile time) so it should be set to a deafult if not set by the user?
789 [07:48:58] <saper> can't guile be compiled to know it in advance?
790 [07:48:58] <somiaj> i.e. a package most likely shoudln't need users setting things like that.
791 [07:50:28] <saper> true
792 [07:50:39] <saper> I guess pity is not porting guile itself
793 [07:51:10] <saper> including this in the load path could be addressed in the guile port if really needed
794 [07:51:28] <saper> (for some unpackaged scripts)
795 [07:52:32] <pity> somiaj: It's customized install path, don't ask why. :D
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799 [07:54:07] <pity> The situation is, I have a standard guile installed to /usr/, but my library is customized to /usr/local, so I have to export the enviroment variables to make my library work.
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801 [07:55:25] <pity> By now, it works if I manually export the enviroment variables, but I think they can be exported automatically.
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803 [07:55:40] <somiaj> well in general .deb files should be configured to install to /usr, and /usr/local is for locally installed stuff from make install
804 [07:55:57] <somiaj> if this is jsut for your user put it in .bashrc, but this sounds unstandard in terms of building a proper .deb
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807 [07:56:19] <somiaj> yea, have your shell do it, but for distirubting a .deb for other users, I would figure out a better way to do this
808 [07:56:38] <saper> does debian have something like /etc/environment.d or whatever?
809 [07:57:07] <pity> somiaj: yeah, I know that, but the library which I'm packaging is customized to /usr/local.
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812 [07:59:03] <pity> saper: There's /etc/environment but no /etc/environment.d/. I tried to put an export script in /etc/profile.d/, but it didn't work.
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882 [08:54:26] <hudo> Hi, is it usual that the swap partition just fills but does not release unused "space" ? There is enough free RAM, swapiness is the default of 60
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886 [08:56:02] <jelly> hudo: yes
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889 [08:56:42] <jelly> pages are not pulled back in from swap unless they're actually used again
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891 [08:57:20] <hudo> so after a time the swap partition will be full and this is the normal state ?
892 [08:58:06] <jelly> if there's a significant memory leak, the swap will fill up, then the memory will fill up, then things will stop working properly
893 [08:58:07] <hudo> and this will not handicap the system
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896 [08:59:31] <hudo> @jelly do you have some documentation about this behaviour ?
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900 [09:00:13] <hudo> what i saw on documentation always describes from the RAM's point of view
901 [09:00:28] <jelly> !swappiness
902 [09:00:28] <dpkg> A number of Linux kernel developers debated "swappiness" - exploring when an application should or should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache. replaced-url
903 [09:00:59] <jelly> hm, that's not what I expected
904 [09:01:42] <jelly> and none of the links work, there may be a copy at eg. replaced-url
905 [09:02:00] <Haohmaru> when i browse some of these ever-scrolling websites, with firefox.. after enough time i fill the RAM and the SWAP.. then killing firefox doesn't fix things
906 [09:02:12] <hudo> that RAM writes to swap partition/file to have free space on its own, cause its faster blabla. But how the swap behaves, i could not find good things
907 [09:03:02] <hudo> Haohmaru, thats right, I dont think the application have no memory leak
908 [09:03:09] <jelly> replaced-url
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910 [09:03:46] <Haohmaru> i don't know who leaks the RAM tho
911 [09:05:38] <hudo> well the question is, do i have to take action on my own or will the system run stable. Since the last reboot I see that swap is increasing (slowly) full, but never releases space again
912 [09:06:40] <Fox> Haohmaru: found that very useful to know what's been swaping replaced-url
913 [09:06:40] <hudo> and the next thing, if I have to take action, what do I have to do ( except rebooting )
914 [09:07:37] <Haohmaru> x_x
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917 [09:08:23] <Haohmaru> Fox i looked in a resource monitor thing on the xfce4-panel, and also the info in lxtask
918 [09:08:53] <Haohmaru> but i think some of the leaked memory stays in xorg (don't quote me on that)
919 [09:09:06] <Fox> I hate all these clicking stuff, only use wmaker and terminals :)
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940 [09:13:38] <Fox> neither am I
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949 [09:16:42] <ShalokShalom> how often does it appear that a package changes in debian freeze?
950 [09:17:06] <ShalokShalom> so, how often change something in trans freeze, soft freeze and full freeze?
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1065 [10:48:19] <shtrb> Why does modem-manager hide 3GPP location info (needs sudo) , while still giving the IMEI , operator, registration and roaming settings ?
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1163 [11:54:04] <johnhmalu> hello .go files have an icon in debian? like .c or .py files?
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1182 [12:06:13] <InvisibleRasta> hello guys how do i get to work copy and paste with debian gues in vbox
1183 [12:06:30] <InvisibleRasta> i installed the additions with the ISO that virtualbox provides
1184 [12:06:40] <InvisibleRasta> but after reboot it didnt change anything
1185 [12:07:34] <shtrb> you need to enable the copy paste in the UI
1186 [12:07:39] <InvisibleRasta> i did
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1193 [12:13:21] <InvisibleRasta> do i have to modprobe anyhting
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1198 [12:15:20] <Mathisen> nope
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1200 [12:16:10] <Mathisen> InvisibleRasta, it should have worked, the only thing needed is the guest additions and to set the setting in vbox menu, try biodirectonal there if you havent
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1203 [12:17:25] <Mathisen> double check that you have guest additions installed also " lsmod | grep vbox "
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1208 [12:19:23] <InvisibleRasta> Mathisen: that doesn toutput nothing
1209 [12:19:35] <InvisibleRasta> itd a debian guest
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1211 [12:20:30] <Mathisen> can someone in here confirm that i typed correct command for debian ? im currently on arch on this machine
1212 [12:21:02] <Mathisen> InvisibleRasta, as long as i did not give you wrong command wait and see if someone answers you dont have guest installed
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1214 [12:22:01] <Fox> InvisibleRasta: is the host a debian one too ?
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1216 [12:23:22] <InvisibleRasta> no
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1218 [12:23:26] <InvisibleRasta> it is a winblows
1219 [12:23:47] <Fox> then maybe the problem isn't a debian problem at all
1220 [12:23:57] <InvisibleRasta> windows 10
1221 [12:24:05] <InvisibleRasta> it works with arch and gentoo install tho
1222 [12:24:07] <Fox> do you have other guests on this windows host ?
1223 [12:24:16] <Fox> ok, that answers my question :)
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1283 [13:02:18] <stripe> Hi all, anyone found a workaround for amd rx580 graphics/audio, ave tried the 4.18 backports kernel but just get a black screen when lightdm tries to load, cheers :)
1284 [13:02:46] <stripe> *have
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1300 [13:10:16] <__adan> question: how to install selinux into debian?? i was trying everything for it.
1301 [13:10:55] <__adan> I've even rebuild the linux kernel, add all the selinux modules into linux kernel
1302 [13:11:33] <__adan> but the 'sestatus' status always been disabled,,, somebody help me ?
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1305 [13:12:22] <avu> __adan: replaced-url
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1309 [13:13:19] <avu> __adan: maybe replaced-url
1310 [13:14:28] <SpeedyG> avu: I can confirm that that tutorial does work on deb9 ;)
1311 [13:15:22] <SpeedyG> tried it a few months ago
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1316 [13:18:09] <__adan> thx <avu>,<SpeedyG> i try again
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1426 [14:40:44] <Lython__> I went with Cinnamon for my desktop environment and I regret it, oof.
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1428 [14:42:28] <diogenes_> Lython__, xfce rocks!
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1430 [14:43:29] <Lython__> Debating between xfce and GNOME, using xfce atm and it's pretty neat.
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1433 [14:45:44] <diogenes_> gnome is heavy as a hyppo, at least for me and it heats my pc big time, xfce runs smooth.
1434 [14:46:18] <Lython__> I did notice that when on Ubuntu, yeah... GNOME was pretty hefty.
1435 [14:48:20] <Lython__> My GPU has yet to crash on Debian so far, which I consider a win (even though it's always a gamble)
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1459 [15:04:46] <petn-randall> Lython__: GPUs seldomly crash, it's usually software that does.
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1461 [15:05:47] <shtrb> Lython__, they can burn, melt, blow up, send radio waves but not crash
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1463 [15:06:36] <ShalokShalom> how often does it appear that a package changes in debian freeze?
1464 [15:06:38] <ShalokShalom> so, how often change something in trans freeze, soft freeze and full freeze?
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1478 [15:15:15] <Lython__> Drivers are usually the culprit from what I've seen
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1480 [15:15:33] <greycat> He left right after asking the question.
1481 [15:15:52] <Lython__> amdkmdap specifically, also oof.
1482 [15:16:47] <petn-randall> greycat: Well, you didn't response within 15 seconds, you were being impolite!
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1485 [15:19:23] <shtrb> petn-randall, it's a gui tool it could be closed by mistake
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1487 [15:19:43] <shtrb> and kde app, so it might just crashed :D
1488 [15:20:58] <fuxxy> Trying to set up Debian NFS client (supernerd.me) to authenticate with krb5 to windows domain (family.supernerd.me). Is there a way to respond to kerberos as if it were on the "family" subdomain, without totally migrating the server? Windows/kerberos wants debian/NFSclient to be in its domain.
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1496 [15:26:17] <pagios> what do you guys think of cloudera? is it leading in the big data space?
1497 [15:26:32] <abrotman> pagios: This is #debian ?
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1500 [15:27:13] <abrotman> pagios: Wouldn't it make more sense to ask the Hadoop channel? or similar?
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1502 [15:29:47] <jim> is there something that can figure out if a module is in a particular kernel image package?
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1508 [15:31:45] <BCMM> jim: at worst, you can peak inside on the packages.debian.org website (search for "list of files")
1509 [15:32:03] <BCMM> are you looking for a way to do it programatically, though?
1510 [15:32:07] <petn-randall> Hi, in a systemd unit, I can set `Restart=on-failure` for a unit to restart every time the daemon fails. How can I set the number of attempts it will restart it?
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1514 [15:33:51] <BCMM> jim: e.g. replaced-url
1515 [15:34:05] <greycat> petn-randall: I've never seen anyone ask for "give up after n tries" before. Maybe ask #systemd.
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1522 [15:38:29] <shtrb> pagios, hadoop is not even correctly packaged (afaik)
1523 [15:38:34] <shtrb> ,v hadoop
1524 [15:38:36] <judd> No package named 'hadoop' was found in amd64.
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1528 [15:39:01] <pagios> ??/
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1530 [15:39:33] <greycat> Is that one of those ANSI triglyphs? I've heard of them...
1531 [15:40:14] <greycat> Oops, "trigraph" seems to be the correct word.
1532 [15:40:26] <petn-randall> greycat: I'll ask there. Reading over `man systemd.service`, it's not clear to me how many times or how long it attempts to restart it.
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1534 [15:40:40] <greycat> I couldn't see an option for it either.
1535 [15:41:18] <greycat> (And yes, I remembered part of it correctly -- "??/" is indeed one of C's trigraphs.)
1536 [15:41:35] <greycat> replaced-url
1537 [15:42:02] <shtrb> !ot
1538 [15:42:02] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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1556 [15:54:10] <RNM> !ot
1557 [15:54:10] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
1558 [15:54:14] <RNM> !help
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1561 [15:54:54] <greycat> If you have a question, just ask it.
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1600 [16:27:09] <tsglove> I just installed a fresh Debian9 machine. I am trying to give it a static IP address. What I did was what was outlined in this link. I went modified /etc/networking/interfaces took out the DHCP line, and added my own static "stanza" link --> replaced-url
1601 [16:27:32] <tsglove> Yet, when I restart the network, it still has the old ip it took from DHCP
1602 [16:27:38] <greycat> Step 1 is to get the name of the interface. Then you can edit that into /etc/network/interfaces.
1603 [16:27:46] <tsglove> enp0s3...
1604 [16:27:53] <tsglove> Good morning greycat o/
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1606 [16:28:13] <greycat> Oh, was it *previously* using DHCP? Then step 1 is to make it stop using DHCP, by doing "ifdown ifname" *before* you edit the file, or by killing the DHCP client daemon by hand.
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1610 [16:28:41] <tsglove> THAT! I knew I must be missing something. Lemme go do that...
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1612 [16:28:46] <greycat> If you do the ifdown *after* you edit the file, then ifdown doesn't know there is a DHCP client daemon running that it needs to kill, because the file says it's static.
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1615 [16:29:12] <greycat> So you get surprised a day or a week later.
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1617 [16:31:17] <tsglove> greycat, thanks. That did it. And I learned ifdown searches the interfaces file
1618 [16:31:20] <tsglove> Awesomeness. =)
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1620 [16:31:59] <greycat> I had to learn this one the hard way too.
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1622 [16:33:46] <petn-randall> greycat: You got to take a trip to the datacentre?
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1624 [16:34:34] <greycat> My stuff's all smaller scale. Computers are in a locked room on the 5th floor. I'm on the 10th floor currently, but was previously on the 5th floor myself.
1625 [16:35:10] <greycat> Mostly it's just "why the hell is my resolv.conf file STILL changing?!?"
1626 [16:35:32] <jelly> my solution is "let it change"
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1628 [16:35:40] <jelly> go with the flow, man
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1634 [16:37:47] <petn-randall> Yeah, never touch a running system changing itself.
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1746 [17:37:36] <jelly> !qotd0
1747 [17:37:36] <dpkg> <SkyDreamer> i'm still laughing at my first attempt <SkyDreamer> i downloaded for 3 days <SkyDreamer> 4 dvd images <SkyDreamer> and to find out there for another machine type :)) <SkyDreamer> thinking alpha is pre-beta or smth
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1785 [17:47:36] <SerajewelKS> jelly: i've fought with a netinst before trying to figure out why it wouldn't boot in virtualbox. took me 30+ minutes to realize i clicked arm64 instead of amd64.
1786 [17:47:51] <greycat> We've seen that here a few times.
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1790 [17:48:50] <petn-randall> :)
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1793 [17:50:28] <SerajewelKS> one of those moments that makes you rethink your career
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1795 [17:50:55] <SerajewelKS> i'm the development lead at my office and i regularly ask my team why they let me be a lead or even touch any of the production systems
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1799 [17:52:18] <n4dir> probably the best lead isn't too sure, too self-concsious, etc. Mr-knows-it-all, i for one wouldn't want to work with him. Just a thought.
1800 [17:53:06] <SerajewelKS> the more i learn the less sure i am about anything heh
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1803 [17:53:16] <n4dir> exactly.
1804 [17:53:31] <SerajewelKS> i went through my "i know everything there is to know" phase in high school / college since i started programming early (around 10 years old i think)
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1808 [17:54:21] <qiffan> salut!
1809 [17:54:22] <SerajewelKS> and ever since then it's been imposter syndrome 24/7
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1820 [18:00:13] <qiffan> ive install "xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu" & "ibdrm-amdgpu1" no sucess in 32bit 3D accel
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1822 [18:00:24] <qiffan> rx 570 4gb
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1824 [18:00:50] <qiffan> any ideia?
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1840 [18:10:04] <jelly> qiffan: see whether all the other 32bit userspace is installed, including libgl1-mesa-dri:i386, next to that libdrm-amdgpu1:i386 thing
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1845 [18:12:53] <vNistelroot> hi guys! I have a problem and Ive been able to fix it several times without success
1846 [18:13:02] <vNistelroot> Ill try to explain it clearly
1847 [18:13:23] <jelly> !ask
1848 [18:13:23] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1850 [18:13:36] <vNistelroot> dell laptop with a 4k screen, latest nvidia drivers compiled from source
1851 [18:14:19] <vNistelroot> it boots at a 3840x2160
1852 [18:14:45] <vNistelroot> tiny fonts, so I switch to a 1920x1080
1853 [18:14:59] <vNistelroot> through nvidia config utility
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1857 [18:15:15] <vNistelroot> from now, every application like wireshark, virtualbox, smplayer that I launch
1858 [18:15:29] <vNistelroot> it launches with very HUGE fonts which make the application unusable
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1863 [18:17:52] <vNistelroot> for some unknown reason, some applications do not resize
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1865 [18:18:34] <vNistelroot> BUT if I launch them before switching from 3840x2160 to 1920x1080, they launch fine
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1882 [18:23:12] <n_1-c_k> vNistelroot: for apps that use Qt, try setting environment variable QT_SCALE_FACTOR=0.5 or so then start the app.
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1885 [18:24:32] <vNistelroot> hey n_1-c_k: thks, Ill try that!
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1891 [18:26:51] <Thedarkb-T60> What is unattended-upgr and why is it using all my CPU power?
1892 [18:27:01] <greycat> ,info unattended-upgrades
1893 [18:27:02] <judd> Package unattended-upgrades (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: automatic installation of security upgrades. Version: 0.93.1+nmu1; Size: 60.2k; Installed: 246k
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1896 [18:27:44] <Thedarkb-T60> I'd rather be prompted first, even Ubuntu allows that.
1897 [18:27:58] <Thedarkb-T60> Instead of having my computer become unusable for 5 minutes with no warning.
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1899 [18:28:33] <SerajewelKS> Thedarkb-T60: apt remove unattended-upgrades
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1903 [18:29:23] <InvisibleRasta> hey guys i cant run tasksel replaced-url
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1906 [18:31:58] <SerajewelKS> InvisibleRasta: tempfile is provided by debianutils which is a required package. either you don't have it (broken install) or something else is pretty seriously borked.
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1909 [18:32:33] <InvisibleRasta> how can i force the reinstall of debianutils
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1911 [18:32:47] <petn-randall> Thedarkb-T60: You installed it, so you can also configure it.
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1913 [18:33:07] <Thedarkb-T60> Hmm, did I click the wrong box in the installer?
1914 [18:33:22] <SerajewelKS> InvisibleRasta: apt install --reinstall debianutils
1915 [18:33:22] <petn-randall> Thedarkb-T60: which installer? Debian doesn't install that by default.
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1917 [18:33:47] <Thedarkb-T60> I didn't install unattended-upgr.
1918 [18:33:53] <Thedarkb-T60> I'm sure of it.
1919 [18:33:58] <petn-randall> Thedarkb-T60: Then ask the person who did.
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1921 [18:34:13] <jelly> they installed themselves without attendance.
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1924 [18:34:36] <Thedarkb-T60> I'm the only one with access, unless it was in the installer or another package installed it, I can't think of how it could've arrived on my system.
1925 [18:34:53] <jelly> Thedarkb-T60: which debian release is that, btw?
1926 [18:34:53] <n4dir> why would the computer beocme unusable while doing unattented upgrades? (serious question)
1927 [18:35:01] <Thedarkb-T60> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian 9.5 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7400 @ 2.16GHz (1000MHz) • Memory: Physical: 1.9 GiB Total (1.3 GiB Free) Swap: 997.1 MiB Total (683.2 MiB Free) • Storage: 31.9 GB / 59.9 GB (28.0 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Radeon 8500 LE @ Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controlle
1928 [18:35:01] <Thedarkb-T60> r Hub • Uptime: 2w 4d 4h 34m 3s
1929 [18:35:11] <Thedarkb-T60> That should answer both jelly and n4dir 's questions.
1930 [18:35:17] <S3xyL1nux-q> i am getting this annoying msg
1931 [18:35:27] <S3xyL1nux-q> dpkg: warning: files list file for package 'apache2-bin' missing; assuming package has no files currently installed dpkg: warning: files list file for package 'libapache2-mod-dnssd' missing; assuming package has no files currently installed
1932 [18:35:27] <dpkg> s3xyl1nux-q: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
1933 [18:35:43] <InvisibleRasta> where can i find a guide to install debian from a running os? like boostrap it?
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1935 [18:35:55] <SerajewelKS> Thedarkb-T60: there's four packages that depend on or recommend unattended-upgrades, perhaps you installed one of them
1936 [18:35:56] <jelly> !install guide
1937 [18:35:57] <dpkg> stretch installation guide is, like, The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at replaced-url
1938 [18:36:09] <Thedarkb-T60> SerajewelKS, Which ones are they/
1939 [18:36:16] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: the installation guide covers debootstrap as a method
1940 [18:36:18] <S3xyL1nux-q> even though i did uninstall apache
1941 [18:36:42] <SerajewelKS> Thedarkb-T60: parl-desktop, plinth, education-common, python3-software-properties
1942 [18:36:50] <jelly> Thedarkb-T60: output of "aptitude why unattended-upgrades" might provide a clue
1943 [18:36:58] <SerajewelKS> ^ was just going to suggest that too
1944 [18:37:28] <SerajewelKS> (note that unattended-upgrades is installed by default on the debian AWS AMIs)
1945 [18:37:31] <S3xyL1nux-q> any idea how to remove it
1946 [18:38:09] <S3xyL1nux-q> i probably got it after this command "find / -iname '*apache*' -exec rm -rf {} \;"
1947 [18:38:13] <jelly> S3xyL1nux-q: apt-get purge both the packages, see if that makes any difference
1948 [18:38:33] <n4dir> InvisibleRasta: probably that section of the installation guide: replaced-url
1949 [18:38:40] <SerajewelKS> S3xyL1nux-q: oh jeez why would you do that
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1951 [18:38:44] <Thedarkb-T60> aptitude why unattended-upgrades
1952 [18:38:45] <Thedarkb-T60> i software-properties-common Depends python3-software-properties (= 0.96.20.2-1)
1953 [18:38:45] <Thedarkb-T60> i A python3-software-properties Recommends unattended-upgrades
1954 [18:39:10] <jelly> S3xyL1nux-q: reinstall your system.
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1956 [18:39:19] <S3xyL1nux-q> no f way
1957 [18:39:23] <S3xyL1nux-q> really
1958 [18:39:25] <jelly> yes way.
1959 [18:39:32] <SerajewelKS> S3xyL1nux-q: blindly removing crap that matches a pattern is about the dumbest thing you can do...
1960 [18:39:39] <SerajewelKS> ESPECIALLY as root
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1962 [18:40:07] <S3xyL1nux-q> who need things related to apache n e ways
1963 [18:40:23] <petn-randall> S3xyL1nux-q: What did you expect from running this command? (honest question)
1964 [18:40:24] <jelly> SerajewelKS: S3xyL1nux-q has been trolling in a more obvious manner in other channels, btw. Tread with care.
1965 [18:40:25] <SerajewelKS> maybe use the package manager
1966 [18:40:31] <SerajewelKS> jelly: noted
1967 [18:40:51] <S3xyL1nux-q> i run it all time fixed tons of stuff
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1972 [18:41:39] <jelly> !next
1973 [18:41:39] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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1977 [18:42:12] <jelly> ohai!
1978 [18:42:25] <S3xyL1nux-q> i did tried to reinstall it ,,, error came up
1979 [18:42:32] <jelly> I mean reinstall the OS.
1980 [18:42:33] <S3xyL1nux-q> couldnt start service
1981 [18:42:35] * petn-randall grabs some popcorn.
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1987 [18:43:29] <S3xyL1nux-q> i know reinstall os would always be a solution
1988 [18:43:35] * jelly prepares /cs f $a:S3xyL1nux ##arguments
1989 [18:43:40] <S3xyL1nux-q> but if u dont know the answer be quit
1990 [18:43:43] <petn-randall> S3xyL1nux-q: Glad you understand. Do you have any other question?
1991 [18:43:45] <n4dir> ignore can be helpful during the running session, but a few days later you got no clue which question/person everyone is talking about/to.
1992 [18:43:46] <S3xyL1nux-q> quite*
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1995 [18:44:07] * SerajewelKS is quite
1996 [18:44:16] <greycat> Keep guessing! Maybe one day you will stumble over the right spelling!
1997 [18:44:18] <jelly> n4dir: I think irssi and weechat have timed ignores
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1999 [18:44:46] <greycat> irssi definitely does
2000 [18:45:04] <n4dir> jelly: irssi, using it on a really basic level, and didn't do much ignores until a few weeks ago. Gotta look in that (or just live with sometimes being clueless what is going on ... )
2001 [18:45:16] <n4dir> thanks for the info. btw.
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2004 [18:46:44] <S3xyL1nux-q> apt-get purge actully fixed it
2005 [18:46:55] <S3xyL1nux-q> thanks no thanks
2006 [18:46:58] <S3xyL1nux-q> ;P
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2008 [18:47:28] <n4dir> as a fun fact: i set #bash to silent per accident, and was wondering for weeks why no one speaks in #bash anymore ... pretty much that is my level when it comes to irssi ... :-)
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2023 [18:51:46] <InvisibleRasta> hey guys i have been trying for days to get debian running... a bunch of errors allways when i install with debootstrap...i jsut bootstrapped and chrooted and i alredy get first error:replaced-url
2024 [18:52:48] <InvisibleRasta> i followed replaced-url
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2026 [18:52:55] <InvisibleRasta> part run debootstrap
2027 [18:53:01] <InvisibleRasta> after doing that i chrooted
2028 [18:53:07] <InvisibleRasta> and tasksel doesnt work
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2037 [18:56:25] <vNistelroot> it works
2038 [18:56:27] <vNistelroot> :D
2039 [18:56:29] <InvisibleRasta> this is kind of turning me off.. seems like the wiki is either outdated or incomplete cause there is no way i messed something up as i run exactly the same commands as described on the wiki and it pulled a broken system
2040 [18:57:16] <InvisibleRasta> i have pulled alredy 10 times allway same error... debian install is harder than gentoo's
2041 [18:57:20] <InvisibleRasta> been stuck here 3 days
2042 [18:57:31] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: installing debian 9?
2043 [18:57:35] <InvisibleRasta> yes
2044 [18:57:50] <InvisibleRasta> jsut a nightmare
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2046 [18:58:00] <vNistelroot> what´s up InvisibleRasta ?
2047 [18:58:16] <InvisibleRasta> ..i jsut bootstrapped and chrooted and i alredy get first error:replaced-url
2048 [18:58:51] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: is there a /bin/tempfile in the chroot?
2049 [18:59:08] <InvisibleRasta> hmm
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2051 [18:59:30] <InvisibleRasta> yes
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2054 [18:59:54] <jelly> if you run just that, does it do something and provide output?
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2056 [19:00:27] <InvisibleRasta> i get this:c/tmp/filejFyqBA
2057 [19:00:35] <jelly> is that c a typo?
2058 [19:00:42] <InvisibleRasta> yeah sorry
2059 [19:00:47] <InvisibleRasta> i misstype
2060 [19:00:59] <jelly> that seems fine then, weird it would stop at that line
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2063 [19:02:10] <InvisibleRasta> jelly: D.3.3. Run debootstrap is the part of the wiki i followed word by word
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2065 [19:02:30] <InvisibleRasta> with amd64 as arch
2066 [19:03:31] <greycat> the fact that /bin/tempfile runs means you have the right arch
2067 [19:03:31] <InvisibleRasta> i am on amd64 system jsut its archlinux
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2071 [19:05:19] <InvisibleRasta> no idea whats going on
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2078 [19:08:37] <vNistelroot> sorry InvisibleRasta I was fixing a 4k font scalling issue and didnt read about your problem
2079 [19:08:49] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: can you "apt-get install strace", "strace -ofirst.strace -efork,execve -f tasksel" and pastebin the first.strace file
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2081 [19:09:01] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
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2083 [19:09:09] <InvisibleRasta> even apt update is out of the box erroring
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2086 [19:09:59] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: you can ignore the locale-related warnings. However if you don't even get to the debconf dialog box with tasksel, something's wrong
2087 [19:10:39] <InvisibleRasta> jelly: replaced-url
2088 [19:10:44] <InvisibleRasta> this errors aswell
2089 [19:10:47] <InvisibleRasta> i cant do anything
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2092 [19:11:04] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: is debian-archive-keyring installed?
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2094 [19:11:18] <jelly> "dpkg -l debian-archive-keyring"
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2097 [19:12:16] <InvisibleRasta> jelly: replaced-url
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2099 [19:12:57] <jelly> that seems fine.
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2101 [19:13:31] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: run "apt-get update" first, then retry installing strace. You could also run strace from outside the chroot as an alternative.
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2103 [19:14:18] <jelly> strace -f -ooutput.file chroot /path/to/debian /usr/bin/tasksel
2104 [19:14:35] <jelly> oh, forgot the -e filter
2105 [19:14:40] <InvisibleRasta> that errors aswell replaced-url
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2108 [19:15:27] <jelly> you have other problems there.
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2110 [19:16:10] <Devastator> couldn't this just be disk error or corrupt downloads?
2111 [19:16:11] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: is the filesystem full? You got any errors in dmesg (outside chroot)?
2112 [19:16:21] <InvisibleRasta> no
2113 [19:16:28] <jelly> which fs type?
2114 [19:16:30] <InvisibleRasta> its a btrfs subvolume
2115 [19:16:52] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: try to create a 1GB file on it.
2116 [19:17:09] <InvisibleRasta> i have 53gb free
2117 [19:17:28] <jelly> and not a sparse one, but one full of zeros.
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2119 [19:18:00] <jelly> btrfs can have weird issues.
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2121 [19:18:49] <SerajewelKS> i love the idea of btrfs but i've heard of so much weird stuff happening that i don't trust it in production yet
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2123 [19:19:30] <InvisibleRasta> output.file is like 30k lines long jelly
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2125 [19:19:43] <InvisibleRasta> where i uplad it?
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2127 [19:20:14] <SerajewelKS> !paste
2128 [19:20:14] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
2129 [19:20:28] <SerajewelKS> InvisibleRasta: there is an option to upload a file at the bottom of the form
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2132 [19:21:40] <InvisibleRasta> jelly: replaced-url
2133 [19:21:43] <InvisibleRasta> of strace
2134 [19:21:52] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: um. Add -efork,execve to strace options.
2135 [19:22:15] <jelly> file.io link said 404
2136 [19:22:36] <InvisibleRasta> jelly what?
2137 [19:22:50] <Devastator> InvisibleRasta the link is invalid
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2139 [19:23:02] <Devastator> it is giving 404 here as well
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2141 [19:23:07] <InvisibleRasta> sudo strace -efork,execve -f -output.file chroot /mnt/subvol /usr/bin/tasksel
2142 [19:23:09] <InvisibleRasta> like this?
2143 [19:23:14] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: strace -f -efork,execve -ooutput.file chroot /path/to/debian /usr/bin/tasksel
2144 [19:23:18] <jelly> right
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2146 [19:23:37] <jelly> yours will create "utput.file"
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2148 [19:24:56] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
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2150 [19:25:25] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
2151 [19:25:27] <InvisibleRasta> dunno
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2153 [19:27:04] <jelly> execve("/usr/local/sbin/whiptail", # that does not look right
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2156 [19:27:13] <InvisibleRasta> thisis all i ran to get the system up as described on wiki /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch amd64 stretch /mnt/subvolume
2157 [19:27:19] <InvisibleRasta> and all this errors come with it
2158 [19:27:31] <InvisibleRasta> idk if u want to try
2159 [19:27:36] <InvisibleRasta> u mihg tget the same errors
2160 [19:27:46] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: ls -ld /mnt/subvolume/usr/local/sbin/whiptail
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2162 [19:28:49] <jelly> you shouldn't have _anything_ in /usr/local/sbin in a clean debootstrapped chroot
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2164 [19:29:04] <InvisibleRasta> its empty
2165 [19:29:24] <jelly> oh. I'm tired.
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2167 [19:30:07] <jelly> well this looks as if tasksel starts, and it opens a dialog with some choices
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2169 [19:30:23] <InvisibleRasta> drwxrwsr-x 1 root games 0 Nov 15 19:43 /mnt/subvol/usr/local/sbin
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2171 [19:31:15] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: yeah, sorry about that, that /usr/local/sbin thing was my misinterpretation, ignore that
2172 [19:31:38] <jelly> does tasksel actually show a text dialog thing?
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2174 [19:32:18] <InvisibleRasta> yes it shows its own ncurses gui
2175 [19:32:30] <InvisibleRasta> then i pick for example XFCE press enter
2176 [19:32:33] <InvisibleRasta> and it closes down
2177 [19:33:09] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: you pick with space and cursors, when you're done _then_ tab and enter
2178 [19:33:18] <InvisibleRasta> exactly
2179 [19:33:43] <jelly> but there's still the fact that apt-get update gets corrupted or incomplete files
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2181 [19:34:02] <InvisibleRasta> try to run the bootstrap command if u want
2182 [19:34:09] <InvisibleRasta> ull probably get the same errors
2183 [19:34:14] <InvisibleRasta> as i ahvent touched anything
2184 [19:34:21] <InvisibleRasta> jsut clean bootstrap and this is what i got
2185 [19:34:24] <InvisibleRasta> a broken everything
2186 [19:34:31] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: I don't have a btrfs, and I run debootstrap on a weekly basis
2187 [19:34:48] <InvisibleRasta> i dnt htink it has anything to do with btrfs
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2190 [19:35:12] <jelly> nevertheless.
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2194 [19:35:42] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: can you try a different fs type as backend, say ext4?
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2197 [19:36:50] <InvisibleRasta> dont actually have a spare disk
2198 [19:37:24] <jelly> create a 1GB file and do a mkfs.ext4 on it
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2200 [19:37:48] <InvisibleRasta> ok ill have to check a wii
2201 [19:37:51] <InvisibleRasta> wiki
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2203 [19:37:54] <InvisibleRasta> no idea on how to do that
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2205 [19:38:12] <jelly> or 8GB if you want to try installing xfce afterwards
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2208 [19:38:38] <greycat> dd if=/dev/zero bs=1048576 count=1024 of=somefile; mkfs.ext4 somefile
2209 [19:38:39] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/subvolume/disk1.img bs=1M count=8192
2210 [19:38:56] <greycat> or whatever sizes seem appropriate
2211 [19:39:37] <jelly> that will also test the theory that btrfs is confused and can't write files properly
2212 [19:40:25] <InvisibleRasta> it created the file without any error
2213 [19:40:48] <InvisibleRasta> it mkfs'ed properly
2214 [19:40:50] <InvisibleRasta> no errors
2215 [19:41:15] <jelly> create a new empty dir for a mountpoint, and mount -o loop /mnt/subvolume/disk1.img /new/dir
2216 [19:41:30] <jelly> then see if you can debootstrap there
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2218 [19:42:19] <InvisibleRasta> ok
2219 [19:42:26] <InvisibleRasta> debootstrapping
2220 [19:42:29] <InvisibleRasta> alredy on it
2221 [19:42:32] <InvisibleRasta> will take a while
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2223 [19:42:38] <InvisibleRasta> bad connection
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2226 [19:43:34] <jelly> because those bz2 and apt-key errors are weird
2227 [19:43:34] <InvisibleRasta> jelly: after the bootstrap what shall i do?
2228 [19:44:02] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: same thing I guess. Run tasksel, pick something, see what happens
2229 [19:44:19] <InvisibleRasta> how to chroot? do i mount anything?
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2231 [19:44:45] <jelly> the same way you did last time?
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2234 [19:45:00] <InvisibleRasta> ok
2235 [19:45:07] <InvisibleRasta> tought maybe i was failing there
2236 [19:45:17] <InvisibleRasta> cause the wiki doesnt tell to mount stuff
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2238 [19:46:11] <jelly> if you wanted to install a kernel and boot from this debian installation you'd need to bind-mount some stuff temporarily
2239 [19:46:28] <InvisibleRasta> yeah
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2241 [19:46:31] <InvisibleRasta> well that after
2242 [19:47:07] <InvisibleRasta> so i repulled once again on a new btrfs subvolume... same tasksel error... the ext4 is still retriving packages
2243 [19:47:59] <jelly> (it won't be possible to boot from this installation on a loopback file easily; we're doing this to confirm or deny problems happen with on a specific fs type)
2244 [19:48:17] <InvisibleRasta> allright
2245 [19:48:51] <InvisibleRasta> debootstrap ended on disk1
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2249 [19:49:54] <InvisibleRasta> jelly: same exact error replaced-url
2250 [19:50:06] <InvisibleRasta> tasksel opens, i select xfce tab enter
2251 [19:50:08] <InvisibleRasta> and it closes
2252 [19:50:15] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: and apt-get update ?
2253 [19:50:36] <rant> how does one get adobe flash these days?
2254 [19:50:56] <InvisibleRasta> jelly: replaced-url
2255 [19:50:58] <InvisibleRasta> same errors
2256 [19:51:11] <jelly> rant: uh, I install google-chrome-stable and use it only for flash and other irrelevant stuff
2257 [19:51:39] <rant> hmm..
2258 [19:52:13] <rant> replaced-url
2259 [19:52:39] <rant> I suppose I could try chrome but I was trying to see if this would work in FF
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2261 [19:53:04] <InvisibleRasta> im in a kind of give up mood almost
2262 [19:53:04] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: md5sum /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-stretch-stable.gpg
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2266 [19:53:23] <InvisibleRasta> 829333ce438185f23bd9c122a19ef25d /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-stretch-stable.gpg
2267 [19:53:27] <jelly> 829333ce438185f23bd9c122a19ef25d is fine
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2271 [19:56:01] <InvisibleRasta> jelly: so its fine
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2273 [19:56:29] <InvisibleRasta> i think something is screwed up with the debootstrap
2274 [19:56:41] <InvisibleRasta> something weird going on with latest updates or so?
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2281 [20:00:31] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: inside chroot, are there any files ls -ld /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org*_Release
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2285 [20:02:06] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: or /var/lib/apt/lists/cdn-aws.deb.debian.org*_Release
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2297 [20:05:20] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: if there are any, and a matching Release.gpg, try to run "/usr/bin/apt-key --readonly verify /var/lib/apt/lists/..._stretch_Release.gpg /var/lib/apt/lists/..._stretch_Release" and see if it fails
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2300 [20:06:25] <jelly> but debootstrap itself would have tried to verify the packages I think, so it's weird apt inside base system chroot would fail
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2302 [20:07:42] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: you might also try a different debian mirror, perhaps one in your country
2303 [20:07:44] <InvisibleRasta> one second please, i tried to repull everything but with a newer version of debootstrap
2304 [20:07:58] <jelly> (what does repull mean)
2305 [20:08:14] <InvisibleRasta> well run debootstrap agan with a new version of debootstrap
2306 [20:08:21] <jelly> ,v debootstrap
2307 [20:08:23] <judd> Package: debootstrap on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.48+deb7u4; jessie: 1.0.67+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1.0.89~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.0.89; stretch-backports: 1.0.110~bpo9+1; buster: 1.0.110; sid: 1.0.110
2308 [20:08:42] <jelly> I guess anything 1.0.89 or newer should work
2309 [20:09:01] <InvisibleRasta> debootstrap-git 1.0.110.r0.g0a4c80c-1
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2311 [20:09:22] <jelly> no promises about git master :-)
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2313 [20:09:46] <InvisibleRasta> nothing same tasksel error
2314 [20:10:00] <Tenkawa> what error?
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2317 [20:10:15] * Tenkawa just got here
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2319 [20:10:29] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
2320 [20:10:42] <Tenkawa> ok let me take a look
2321 [20:10:46] <InvisibleRasta> this one^ i select the packages in tasksel and when i press ok it shutdowns with this error
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2323 [20:11:31] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
2324 [20:11:51] <Tenkawa> I bet your env isnt setting a TMP/TEMPDIR var
2325 [20:11:53] <InvisibleRasta> jelly: nothing in/var/lib/apt/lists/
2326 [20:12:03] <Tenkawa> (not sure which it uses)
2327 [20:12:10] <InvisibleRasta> Tenkawa: how to do so
2328 [20:12:24] <Tenkawa> it should already be doing it
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2330 [20:13:10] <Tenkawa> theres some variables that get cross set when these scripts run
2331 [20:13:27] <Tenkawa> I notice your locales arent set either
2332 [20:13:30] <jelly> him running tempfile manually showed a quite default /tmp/fileXXXXXX output
2333 [20:14:28] <Tenkawa> theres a fair amount of env vars possibly throwing it off
2334 [20:14:40] <jelly> and tempfile obeys TMPDIR
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2336 [20:16:20] <Tenkawa> he needs to make sure /var/tmp doesnt go into the abyss too
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2341 [20:17:33] <InvisibleRasta> not sure what u man
2342 [20:17:33] <Tenkawa> because if it somehow disappears or gets messed up it can definitely act unusyal as we know
2343 [20:17:34] <InvisibleRasta> mean
2344 [20:17:51] <Tenkawa> whats ls -lad /var/tmp output
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2346 [20:18:37] <InvisibleRasta> drwxrwxrwt 1 root root 0 Oct 20 10:40 /var/tmp/
2347 [20:18:54] <Tenkawa> that looks good
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2349 [20:19:35] <Tenkawa> this one is definitely intriguing
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2351 [20:20:15] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: they are not fatal, but if you're annoyed you can get rid of locale warnings by doing "export LC_ALL=C", or by doing unset for each LC_* and LANG and LANGUAGE variable set
2352 [20:20:44] <jelly> "env" will tell you which env. vars are present
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2354 [20:20:57] <Tenkawa> or dpkg-reconfigure locales and just fix it right?
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2357 [20:21:22] <Tenkawa> (then logout/login)
2358 [20:21:37] <InvisibleRasta> bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
2359 [20:21:47] <Tenkawa> huh?????
2360 [20:21:48] <jelly> Tenkawa: they're doing a debootstrap install
2361 [20:21:52] <Tenkawa> oh
2362 [20:22:04] <Tenkawa> no system at all yet
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2364 [20:22:16] <InvisibleRasta> jsut the bootstrapped stuff
2365 [20:22:20] <greycat> Lemme guess... he's debootstrapping unstable or testing and PATH is fucked up because of the su change?
2366 [20:22:22] <InvisibleRasta> as i cant get past installing anything else
2367 [20:22:30] <jelly> no,stretch
2368 [20:23:10] <greycat> well, dpkg-reconfigure is in debconf which is "Priority: required"
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2374 [20:23:36] <greycat> and it's in /usr/sbin/ which means PATH is probably wrong, but I suppose debconf could be missing or misinstalled somehow
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2386 [20:29:49] <InvisibleRasta> what a difficult task installing debian god
2387 [20:30:01] <InvisibleRasta> being harder than arch and gentoo so far
2388 [20:30:03] <InvisibleRasta> lol
2389 [20:30:50] <Tenkawa> its always been easy for me
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2391 [20:31:07] <Tenkawa> what media did you use btw?
2392 [20:31:18] <Tenkawa> to debootstrap
2393 [20:31:22] <Tenkawa> http? cd?
2394 [20:31:42] <Syndrom> InvisibleRasta: i used postfix, because it has an irc channel
2395 [20:32:35] <InvisibleRasta> Tenkawa: i used the wiki replaced-url
2396 [20:32:40] <InvisibleRasta> the same exact commands
2397 [20:32:58] <greycat> That's not a wiki. Those are the official release notes.
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2400 [20:34:27] <bites> maybe it's an incomplete install if --arch is passed?
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2402 [20:35:09] <InvisibleRasta> i used --arch amd64
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2404 [20:36:20] <bites> what kind of system do you run debootstrap from?
2405 [20:36:32] <InvisibleRasta> archlinux amd64
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2407 [20:37:22] <bites> is there a /debootstrap/debootstrap inside the new system?
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2411 [20:42:19] <InvisibleRasta> bites cant find it
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2416 [20:46:55] <saint_> hi all - can someone tell me what script starts the network interfaces when a system boots in runlevel 5 ?
2417 [20:47:04] <saint_> i can t find anything related to networking in rc5.d
2418 [20:47:19] <greycat> There aren't any run levels by default now, since Debian switched to systemd as the default in jessie.
2419 [20:47:28] <greycat> And even before then, the default run level was always 2.
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2423 [20:47:50] <greycat> So, it's highly likely you're looking for the wrong things in the wrong places.
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2425 [20:48:09] <saint_> greycat i m looking at a debian, and i see rc#.d folders in /etc
2426 [20:48:18] <greycat> What does "cat /etc/debian_version" say?
2427 [20:48:25] <bites> it's likely the networking service. systemctl status networking
2428 [20:48:32] <saint_> 95
2429 [20:48:33] <saint_> 9.5
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2432 [20:49:01] <greycat> OK, you can jump right to bites's command, or you can verify whether you're running systemd with "ls -ld /sbin/init"
2433 [20:49:01] <Tenkawa> the better question is what are you trying to do/change/accomplish
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2438 [20:49:46] <saint_> Tenkawa i was looking at a sip.multicast registration not working, and failing because it starts before the network adapter is ready.
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2441 [20:50:04] <saint_> just trying to figure out how i can place this multicast registation after the network is started
2442 [20:50:46] <greycat> saint_: if this is a server or a stationary workstation, and if you're NOT using network-manager, go into /etc/network/interfaces and change "allow-hotplug" to "auto" on whichever interface(s) are necessary for services to be started
2443 [20:50:47] <InvisibleRasta> well thank you guys, im giving up installing debian. no idea whats wrong
2444 [20:50:53] <InvisibleRasta> thank you for help anyway
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2447 [20:51:15] <greycat> Marking an interface as "auto" will mean things will wait for it to come up before being started. If it's "allow-hotplug", things will NOT wait for it.
2448 [20:51:19] <saint_> greycat will check it out. thanks a ton
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2450 [20:52:10] <Guest82625> good afternoon
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2452 [20:52:22] <Tenkawa> greycat: do you ever use the cross compilers in debian?
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2454 [20:52:41] <Tenkawa> greycat: someone has been maintaining them well
2455 [20:52:53] <Tenkawa> imo
2456 [20:52:54] <greycat> No, I haven't attempted a cross-compile in ages.
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2458 [20:53:16] <Tenkawa> been doing arm stuff lately
2459 [20:53:23] <Tenkawa> and it works great
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2472 [20:58:10] <talin> hello. has anyone managed to analyse core dumps after the introduction of systemd?
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2475 [20:58:17] <saint_> greycat it's already setup to auto :/
2476 [20:58:29] <saint_> I'll keep looking for different things. thanks anyway
2477 [20:58:41] <talin> i have installed systemd-coredumpctl, but there is no core_pattern etc
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2479 [20:59:02] <greycat> saint_: well, verify what /sbin/init points to, and if it's systemd, you can use various systemctl and journalctl commands to get a LOT of info
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2481 [20:59:33] <greycat> saint_: the /etc/rc2.d/ (and so on) directories are for legacy packages that still use init.d scripts, of which there are still a few.
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2484 [21:01:12] <saint_> greycat it is systemd. i will check the journalctl trick. thank you !
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2487 [21:02:42] <bites> saint_: how is this sip multicast registration thingy started? if you have a systemd unit for it, you can make it start after network-online.target
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2497 [21:06:18] <Ede|Popede> does debian have some tools on board which would allow for hardware checks? i have a HD-USB-adapter here which can consider itself lucky i don't own a pumpgun. it makes the system irregularly "reset high-speed USB device number $n using ehci-pci", sometimes even mounting is a problem.
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2502 [21:14:30] <saint_> greycat i m trying to investigate this part. it looks like there is a ton of home made services in /lib/systemd/system/
2503 [21:15:03] <saint_> but i am not sure in what order they start. all i know is the sip multicast starts within one of those home-made files. i m trying to find out
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2505 [21:15:24] <saint_> clear
2506 [21:15:28] <saint_> oops, wrong screen
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2510 [21:19:34] <Tenkawa> Ede|Popede: have you looked up the specific device/controller and seen if it might need a module/quirk added at boot for that behaviour
2511 [21:19:41] <Tenkawa> some are like that
2512 [21:19:57] <Tenkawa> mind you some are just broke ( I have one )
2513 [21:20:22] <Ede|Popede> Tenkawa: it does what it is supposed to, as long as it works ;)
2514 [21:21:00] <Ede|Popede> i think it's either firmware (router like: restart regularly or it will give you problems) or electric possibly
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2517 [21:21:44] <Ede|Popede> sometimes it helps to use another port, sometimes i unpower it for a minute or so
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2520 [21:24:09] <Ede|Popede> whoosh. and again it is gone -.-
2521 [21:24:40] <Tenkawa> what activity is it doing when it happens
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2523 [21:26:54] <Ede|Popede> atm i am playing a video from that disk. sometimes it happens while copying files. or as said, even on mount (or right after cable connect). or did you mean, what does it say?
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2526 [21:28:02] <Ede|Popede> 3 resets in a row now
2527 [21:28:08] <Ede|Popede> 4
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2529 [21:29:51] <Tenkawa> in the logs
2530 [21:30:10] <Ede|Popede> even have to wait for the umount now. i could have forced it or maybe even be rude and unplug (mount -o ro is a good friend)
2531 [21:30:18] <Tenkawa> there should be something in /var/log/messages
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2535 [21:30:39] <Tenkawa> that might catch a cause
2536 [21:30:52] <Ede|Popede> it is on the other pc atm, but i hav tail running anyway along with that thing
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2539 [21:33:03] <Ede|Popede> i'll give it another try and see what it logs, should it hang again
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2541 [21:33:31] <Tenkawa> ok
2542 [21:35:08] <Ede|Popede> but i know these situations. i bet it will run now without any problems, only because i am watching it -.-
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2544 [21:35:39] <Tenkawa> heheh i hear ya
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2554 [21:44:01] <Ede|Popede> btw, my syslogs is filled with DHCPREQUEST. found this on frequency: Normally, a client will renew the lease part way through, perhaps 1/2 or 2/3, of the lease time. [...] Normally, it's 7200 seconds // As the client gets closer to the end of the lease it will start to panic and send out lots of requests for renewal.. When the lease finally expires then it would send out discover..
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2556 [21:44:30] <Ede|Popede> i didn't touch anything relevant after install, so how often should this happen?
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2559 [21:45:27] <Tenkawa> not sure myself
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2561 [21:46:50] <Ede|Popede> around 15 to 20 seconds here between requests. feels like a lot.
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2577 [21:52:46] <jhutchins_wk> Wow, every 15-20 seconds here too. That does seem noisy.
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2582 [21:54:10] <greycat> Well then the question is why your DHCP server isn't ack-ing your DHCPREQUESTs.
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2585 [21:56:06] <jhutchins_wk> state changed bound -> bound ... lease time 1200
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2589 [21:56:33] <RoyK> lease and renew times can be tuned
2590 [21:56:46] <greycat> that lease time is crazy short
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2594 [21:57:46] <Tenkawa> I hate dhcp
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2597 [21:57:56] <jhutchins_wk> my home system, on the other hand, hasn't logged dhcp since the last time the log rotated.
2598 [21:58:08] <RoyK> greycat: depends how many IP addresses you have - at work, we have even lower, but that's for clients on official IPv4 clients, and as you may know, there's not a lot left of IPv4 addresses
2599 [21:58:24] <RoyK> Tenkawa: why? it's used by millions and it works well
2600 [21:58:26] <Tenkawa> I still remember having to keep dhcp servers from colliding
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2602 [21:58:39] <jhutchins_wk> This is a VM on Virtualbox, not sure wha they run on the local net.
2603 [21:58:49] <Tenkawa> RoyK: until people start to create a mess with it
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2606 [21:59:00] <Tenkawa> jhutchins_wk: exactly
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2609 [21:59:32] <Tenkawa> unless they are presenting these vms to the outside
2610 [21:59:34] <greycat> RoyK: there are plenty of addresses for local use
2611 [21:59:44] <Tenkawa> then they can port forward
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2613 [21:59:56] <Tenkawa> for 90+% of the cases
2614 [22:00:57] <jhutchins_wk> RoyK: So you're saying they have the lease times short for better address scavenging?
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2624 [22:05:59] <greycat> If it's "we painted ourselves into a corner, this subnet uses a tiny range that was allocated when we had 6 people, and now there are 20 people and they all have multiple devices..." then I can understand.
2625 [22:06:01] <Ede|Popede> greycat: he does, roundabout every 50 mins. then the next request is broadcast, then it starts all over again.
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2627 [22:06:46] <greycat> Then there should not be a DHCPREQUEST every 15-20 seconds from a single host. Or did I misunderstand the complaint?
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2629 [22:07:26] <velix> Oh, there's UFW on Debian 9 already? Is it default? I'm still using iptables.
2630 [22:07:27] <Ede|Popede> and md5= 649563ef7a61912664a400a5263958a6 dhclient.conf (unchanged, dated 3/3/08)
2631 [22:08:06] <greycat> ufw is a layer that sits on top of iptables. It's not an "instead of" thing.
2632 [22:08:23] <Ede|Popede> not sure if even a complaint, it just seems quite often to me. atm trying to find the old logs from before stitch install
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2635 [22:09:31] <velix> greycat: sorry :(
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2637 [22:10:05] <greycat> ,v ufw
2638 [22:10:07] <judd> Package: ufw on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.31.1-2; jessie: 0.33-2; stretch: 0.35-4; buster: 0.35-6; sid: 0.35-6
2639 [22:10:09] <greycat> been here a while.
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2647 [22:15:49] <Ede|Popede> found a log which should be from squeeze (used it 'til its death). after ACK no request for around 25 mins. classic ping pong game.
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2650 [22:17:34] <annadane> is !nvidia dkms basically the way you're "supposed" to install the proprietary nvidia driver?
2651 [22:17:44] <Ede|Popede> dhclient.conf nearly the same (most of them commented out anyway), so maybe there is a different default now built in?
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2657 [22:23:24] <LtL> I get these too for hours on end, debian dhclient[585]: DHCPREQUEST of 10.100.67.228 on wlp3s0 every 10-15 secs
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2660 [22:24:25] <LtL> I seem to recall a dhclient update fairly recently.. could be wrong.
2661 [22:24:26] <greycat> Why isn't your DHCP server responding to them?
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2663 [22:24:53] <greycat> Nov 13 14:49:30 wooledg dhclient[536]: DHCPREQUEST of 10.76.172.97 on eth0 to 10
2664 [22:24:53] <greycat> Nov 13 14:49:30 wooledg dhclient[536]: DHCPACK of 10.76.172.97 from 10.127.1.4
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2666 [22:25:13] <LtL> greycat: don't know, i'm assuming it's from a entire network rebuild here recently
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2668 [22:25:53] <LtL> I have no access to it or the admins.
2669 [22:26:12] <Ede|Popede> do DHCP servers have some ignore time when they simply don't care for repeated requests?
2670 [22:26:13] <greycat> Then I don't think there's anything we can do for you.
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2674 [22:27:36] <LtL> this message started at the same time 'wpa_supplicant[575]: TDLS: Invalid frame' every few seconds, I filter these with rsyslog.conf
2675 [22:27:46] <Tenkawa> greycat: i wasnt paying close attention.. did you have him clean out the interface.leases files and recycle the client?
2676 [22:27:57] <greycat> I didn't do anything at all.
2677 [22:27:59] <Tenkawa> just in case it was caching stuff
2678 [22:28:06] <LtL> greycat: yeah i know, just curious others see the dhcp stuff too.
2679 [22:28:23] <Tenkawa> it could be ignoring because of that
2680 [22:28:25] <greycat> LtL: well in my case, the DHCPREQUEST is answered with a DHCPACK from the server in less than 1 second.
2681 [22:28:34] <Tenkawa> its done it to me
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2683 [22:28:39] <greycat> And then everyone's happy for the next 100,000 seconds or so.
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2686 [22:29:08] <Ede|Popede> so it is the client who's not happy while it should be. only: why?
2687 [22:29:20] <agio> hi, my Xorg is suddenly really slow. its really sluggish to redraw windows. (its like my local windows are running via an SSH session) Xorg is using like 90% CPU. Any ideas on how to debug?
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2689 [22:29:27] <LtL> greycat: i know that *should* happen but doesn't, i should grep logs to see if it ever does. i never lose connectivity.
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2691 [22:29:46] <Tenkawa> because it thinks everythink is already in place until a set time
2692 [22:30:02] <Tenkawa> unless an ack is pushed back from the server
2693 [22:30:18] <Tenkawa> saying "give me my lease back"
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2698 [22:31:42] <Tenkawa> I always look in /var/lib/dhcp* and see if it created any leases files
2699 [22:31:52] <SerajewelKS> is there any technical reason why it's not feasible to perform an online shrink of ext filesystems other than "nobody has written the supporting kernel code to make it happen?"
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2701 [22:32:42] <SerajewelKS> it seems like the kind of feature that would have already appeared by now if there wasn't some insurmountable technical challenge
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2703 [22:33:29] <LtL> I show a DHCPACK at 05 hundred hours today, 2311 lines of DHCPREQUEST since 5am
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2706 [22:34:18] <Tenkawa> LtL: look in /var/lib/dhcp*
2707 [22:34:23] <LtL> i tell the admins of the building the network is phucked up, they don't listen
2708 [22:34:35] <Tenkawa> whats the timestamps on the leases files
2709 [22:34:52] <Ede|Popede> here: dhclient.eth0.leases, 0b
2710 [22:35:27] <Tenkawa> is it physically cabled or wifi?
2711 [22:35:34] <greycat> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1532 Nov 15 00:59 dhclient.eth0.leases
2712 [22:35:34] <greycat> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Apr 10 2017 dhclient.leases
2713 [22:35:58] <LtL> Tenkawa: replaced-url
2714 [22:36:10] <greycat> I don't know all the details of these things, but I'm giving mine for comparison on the theory that mine is "working correctly".
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2716 [22:36:30] <Tenkawa> reading
2717 [22:36:43] <Tenkawa> greycat: yours looks better
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2720 [22:37:14] <Tenkawa> ok
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2722 [22:37:21] <Tenkawa> lets try this
2723 [22:37:29] <Tenkawa> LtL: look in /var/lib/dhc*
2724 [22:37:44] <Tenkawa> they might be dhclient.lease*
2725 [22:37:53] <Tenkawa> the other ones were all blank
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2729 [22:38:53] <LtL> Tenkawa: same thing
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2731 [22:38:58] <Ede|Popede> <<< cable internet. unity or whoever is the owner now :>
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2733 [22:39:14] <Tenkawa> yeah you arent getting "anything"
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2735 [22:39:29] <LtL> this didn't happen until they re-did the network recently
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2738 [22:39:38] <Tenkawa> are you cabled or wifi?
2739 [22:39:45] <agio> weird, I just killed my urxvt terminals, and now Xorg is at full speed again...
2740 [22:39:45] <PLC> hi' there
2741 [22:40:06] <LtL> wifi at 2.5 mbps d/l speed
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2743 [22:40:22] <PLC> I need help to activate extensions on php-fpm under apache (multi PHP version)
2744 [22:40:26] <LtL> which sucks tremendously
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2746 [22:40:55] <Tenkawa> yeah something is very odd.....
2747 [22:40:58] <PLC> Must I have to setting up php.ini file, or another way is used under Debian 9 ?
2748 [22:40:58] <Tenkawa> oh wait
2749 [22:41:04] <Tenkawa> do me a favor
2750 [22:41:19] <Tenkawa> this is a longshot
2751 [22:41:27] <Tenkawa> run sudo rfkill
2752 [22:41:29] <SerajewelKS> PLC: see phpenmod
2753 [22:41:40] <Tenkawa> rfkill list
2754 [22:41:40] <LtL> Tenkawa: me?
2755 [22:41:41] <PLC> ohhh thanks !
2756 [22:41:44] <Tenkawa> yes
2757 [22:41:44] <SerajewelKS> PLC: np
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2759 [22:41:56] <Tenkawa> anything blocked?
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2761 [22:41:59] <PLC> come on …
2762 [22:42:00] <agio> PLC: I think there is a folder which extends the php ini file - thats how debian enables extensions
2763 [22:42:00] <PLC> :p
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2765 [22:42:20] <LtL> Tenkawa: command not found, that was as root
2766 [22:42:21] <SerajewelKS> agio: yes, using the phpenmod and phpdismod scripts
2767 [22:42:36] <PLC> soo simple
2768 [22:42:37] <Tenkawa> ok you dont have the utility installed
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2770 [22:42:52] <LtL> Tenkawa: i'm blocking nothing, this is on 'them'
2771 [22:43:02] <PLC> I didn't look good exe … like a2moden …
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2773 [22:43:13] <Tenkawa> no.. the internal radio can do it on its own
2774 [22:43:19] <LtL> one sec Tenkawa
2775 [22:43:28] <Tenkawa> for several reasons.... ok
2776 [22:43:34] <PLC> WARNING: Module mbstring ini file doesn't exist under /etc/php/5.6/mods-available
2777 [22:43:37] <PLC> soo ok
2778 [22:43:54] <PLC> but I 've multy version of php… it is on PHP7.2
2779 [22:44:01] <agio> SerajewelKS: does phpen mod do the `apt-get install php-<MODULE>' command for you? or does it only enable the symlinks?
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2781 [22:44:48] <LtL> Tenkawa: rfkill ...and? i tried rfkill wifi
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2784 [22:44:59] <Tenkawa> rfkill list
2785 [22:45:05] <PLC> ok , i do it again wit this version, just for testing ^^
2786 [22:45:09] <Tenkawa> anything blocked?
2787 [22:45:21] <SerajewelKS> agio: it enables something already installed
2788 [22:45:26] <LtL> Tenkawa: nada
2789 [22:45:30] <Tenkawa> ok
2790 [22:45:45] <LtL> its not me, i'm nearly positive
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2792 [22:45:51] <SerajewelKS> agio: i think most sysadmins don't want scripts magically going and installing crap
2793 [22:45:51] <Tenkawa> your interfaces are sending their side fine then
2794 [22:46:01] <Tenkawa> it seems
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2796 [22:46:22] <agio> SerajewelKS: cool. do you know if debian has any docs on phpenmod? there doesn't seem to be anything in the PHP wiki:
2797 [22:46:24] <agio> replaced-url
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2799 [22:46:31] <LtL> Tenkawa: thanks for the tips dude.
2800 [22:46:34] <Tenkawa> good luck though
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2803 [22:47:01] <Tenkawa> no problem... I like networking stuff so I really like working on this
2804 [22:47:13] * Tenkawa ran an ISP for years
2805 [22:47:15] <SerajewelKS> agio: there isn't even a manpage from what i can tell
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2807 [22:47:44] <SerajewelKS> agio: running the command with no arguments shows a pretty straightforward usage summary though
2808 [22:47:53] <PLC> SerajewelKS: which file phpenmod modifi / or link
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2813 [22:53:12] <annadane> is !nvidia dkms basically the way you're "supposed" to install the proprietary nvidia driver?
2814 [22:53:30] <SerajewelKS> annadane: if you don't want to break your system
2815 [22:53:47] <somiaj> I think you can omit the last step
2816 [22:53:50] <somiaj> !nvidia dkms
2817 [22:53:50] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
2818 [22:54:16] <SerajewelKS> PLC: it symlinks into various conf.d directories under /etc/php
2819 [22:54:23] <somiaj> yea, the whole mkdir and echo -e blah I don't think is required any more (it still works, but I think the package will install stuff to use the nvidia driver for you now)
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2821 [22:54:54] <PLC> okok :)
2822 [22:54:56] <somiaj> Unsure if it was stretch or buster that first did that though, I think it was stretch.
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2824 [22:55:14] <SerajewelKS> i think the recommended package is now nvidia-driver
2825 [22:56:16] <SerajewelKS> which depends on the dkms package as well as the xorg driver, gl driver, etc
2826 [22:56:27] <SerajewelKS> if you want one of those you probably want them all
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2830 [22:57:27] <somiaj> the dkms package will pull in everything you need too (at least did for me last time), but I agree, the nvidia-driver package wraps it up better.
2831 [22:57:53] <annadane> so in other words !nvidia dkms minus mkdir and echo
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2833 [22:58:52] <somiaj> I think so. If you have trouble loading the nvida driver with xorg (after a reboot usually to remove nouveau and load nvidia module) then add those steps.
2834 [22:59:07] <annadane> this was basically my question. because if i install nvidia-detect it says "nvidia-driver", i always wondered whether installing nvidia-driver by itself was the right way, or whether the dkms factoid was preferred
2835 [22:59:10] <somiaj> I just hope my memeory was correct on removing the requirement to write your own config for it.
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2837 [22:59:27] <somiaj> the factoid is a bit dated, nvidia-driver should work fine.
2838 [22:59:46] <somiaj> but the factoid still works (I use it still) and write a custom config (mostly because I make other modifications to my xorg.conf than just that)
2839 [22:59:55] <annadane> i actually can't install it as-is, there's dependency conflicts, the one in backports i think is installable though
2840 [23:00:19] <somiaj> that is possible that backports cause such a problem.
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2843 [23:02:11] <annadane> just out of interest if anyone cares. replaced-url
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2845 [23:02:25] <annadane> (i actually am not trying to install it now, i just wondered in general)
2846 [23:03:35] <annadane> so it's like, none of those backports i have installed should conflict, at least superficially. all the conflicts are mesa related
2847 [23:04:05] <LtL> my helpers left, my laptop doesn't have the DHCPREQUEST problem. the atheros chipset tower does
2848 [23:04:25] <annadane> (and yes i have multiarch thus the i386 messages but even that shouldn't conflict)
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2850 [23:04:56] <annadane> but no, i've frankly had enough of nvidia at this point. this box is staying on nouveau for now
2851 [23:06:34] <annadane> replaced-url
2852 [23:06:50] <annadane> go ahead LtL, i don't have a support question
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2856 [23:08:27] <LtL> annadane: my logs are full of DHCPREQUEST lines, every 10-15 secs. i show one ACK at 5am, 2311 lines of requests since, more by now
2857 [23:09:32] <LtL> the laptop does not show these, no connection issues other than far slower than it was on the old network.
2858 [23:09:55] <LtL> they installed all new equipment
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2863 [23:11:46] <LtL> totally sucks. used to get ~15-20 mbp/s d/l speed, now its 2.5 tops. its wifi 5ghz band
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2865 [23:12:29] <LtL> someone else mentioned the same problem, so i chimed in.
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2879 [23:22:29] <LtL> annadane: maybe i can tweak /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
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2900 [23:35:27] <simbalion> Hi, sometimes my X session needs a logout/login for audio to work properly, specifically a cli audio player that runs on a cron job and plays an mp3, it'll complain that the audio device is busy. I need a way to reset whatever causes that automatically, is that possible?
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2903 [23:36:06] <simbalion> hrm it just occured to me maybe it's that player that's stuck in the background and hogging the audio device
2904 [23:37:27] <aedinius> i didn't audio got locked anymore since the move to alsa
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2908 [23:40:34] <agio> usually I do something like `killall pulseaudio'
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2912 [23:42:20] <SerajewelKS> alternatively, make the command-line player use pulse
2913 [23:43:12] <simbalion> tried killing pulse but that didn't fix it
2914 [23:43:19] <simbalion> SerajewelKS: it isn't already?
2915 [23:43:23] <simbalion> the cli app is 'madplay'
2916 [23:43:27] <simbalion> but I've also tried mpg321
2917 [23:43:41] <SerajewelKS> simbalion: depends on the player
2918 [23:44:02] <simbalion> SerajewelKS: is there some trick to forcing cli apps to use pulse?
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2924 [23:46:48] <SerajewelKS> simbalion: yup. tell them to use pulse.
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2926 [23:47:02] <SerajewelKS> (depends on the player, it might already be trying to use pulse)
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2928 [23:47:16] <SerajewelKS> if the pulseaudio daemon is run as your user, the cron job must also be run as your user
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2931 [23:48:43] <LtL> fixed the bastard syslog junk
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2933 [23:48:54] <simbalion> thanks but that advice isn't helpful, it's circular and vague.
2934 [23:49:07] <simbalion> I modified my script so first it does killall -9 madplay, maybe that'll fix it
2935 [23:49:24] <simbalion> unfortunately it's not in a broken state presently so I can't really test
2936 [23:49:39] <simbalion> but if I don't see the issue re-occur for like 90 days then I can assume it's fixed
2937 [23:49:40] <SerajewelKS> simbalion: it's vague because different players have different options and i don't know them all
2938 [23:49:42] <simbalion> it's a rare issue
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2941 [23:51:16] <SerajewelKS> the manpage probably tells you how to select the output device / system
2942 [23:51:34] <simbalion> SerajewelKS: thanks I understand
2943 [23:52:01] <simbalion> Only two apps on the laptop use audio most of the time, this scripted app and livezilla
2944 [23:52:13] <simbalion> Livezilla 'bings' when my website gets a visitor
2945 [23:52:22] <SerajewelKS> make sure both use pulse and both run as the same system user and you should be fine, i would think
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2947 [23:52:35] <simbalion> Livezilla is a gui app it probably uses pulse
2948 [23:52:44] <simbalion> but I dunno about madplay
2949 [23:52:55] <SerajewelKS> simbalion: can you run the madplay script by hand with pavucontrol open?
2950 [23:53:03] <SerajewelKS> as the same user whose crontab it's in
2951 [23:53:03] <simbalion> But my thought is maybe madplay leaves a stale version behind occasionally
2952 [23:53:17] <simbalion> SerajewelKS: dunno, haven't tried
2953 [23:53:28] <simbalion> so if it doesn't show up in pavucontrol it isn't using pulse?
2954 [23:53:28] <SerajewelKS> shouldn't matter if it leaves a process behind if it's using pulse. i mean it's a waste of resources but it shouldn't break anything.
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2958 [23:53:33] <SerajewelKS> correct
2959 [23:53:36] <simbalion> got it
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2961 [23:54:05] <SerajewelKS> but when pulse is running, alsa should use the pulse driver, so even if madplay uses alsa, it should get directed to pulse instead
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2963 [23:54:20] <simbalion> yes I know
2964 [23:54:25] <Ede|Popede> LtL: the dhclient stuff?
2965 [23:54:28] <SerajewelKS> when it gets stuck, lsof might help you figure out what's going on
2966 [23:54:36] <SerajewelKS> in particular, over the /dev/snd* nodes
2967 [23:54:42] <SerajewelKS> see if madplay has them open directly
2968 [23:54:43] <simbalion> SerajewelKS: Yes but if it's something that lsof would show then killing the app should fix it
2969 [23:54:49] <simbalion> see I thought of that already
2970 [23:54:53] <simbalion> so thanks I'm gonna leave now :)
2971 [23:55:00] <SerajewelKS> i thought killing the app fixed it?
2972 [23:55:14] <simbalion> SerajewelKS: I covered this already..
2973 [23:55:45] <SerajewelKS> okay. sorry i asked questions. carry on.
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