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13 [00:06:28] <maxrazer> ryouma, Could my proprietary nvidia driver the the binary blob?
14 [00:06:41] <ryouma> that is what i meant yes
15 [00:06:54] <ryouma> i'm just guessing though
16 [00:06:56] <maxrazer> ryouma, I should ask other people who use the proprietary driver.
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18 [00:07:15] <ryouma> i swore off those when it took me 3 months to downgrade xorg
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21 [00:07:36] <ryouma> i also swore at those
22 [00:08:05] <maxrazer> ryouma, Proprietary drivers? They cause trouble?
23 [00:08:07] <fearnothing> hi folks
24 [00:08:23] <fearnothing> I need a bit of help troubleshooting routing please
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27 [00:08:54] <ryouma> maxrazer: yeah they might be incompatible with xorg version or in principle kernel changes
28 [00:09:15] <ryouma> and nobody can fix them
29 [00:09:34] <maxrazer> ryouma, I could check to see if the problem exists without it.
30 [00:09:48] <fearnothing> I'm running qemu on debian and I need to route between a virtual network and my main interface
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32 [00:09:53] <fearnothing> preferably -without- NAT
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34 [00:10:02] <maxrazer> The problem is I don't think nvidia, especially the latest hardware works very well without it.
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38 [00:10:26] <maxrazer> I don't know much about routing, except some theory.
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53 [00:18:49] <SerajewelKS> fearnothing: what do you mean by "virtual network"
54 [00:18:59] <fearnothing> ha, I got it working
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56 [00:20:08] <Exagone313> Hi, when upgrading grub it explicitly called "grub-install --target=x86_64-efi" although I don't use EFI (and it failed by the way). How can I configure so that next upgrades install for i386-pc?
57 [00:20:11] <fearnothing> I mean that libvirt/qemu creates a virtual bridge (virbr0 by default), and a network 'vnet0', and qemu VMs pass traffic via that network/bridge
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61 [00:21:20] <SerajewelKS> fearnothing: yeah if the bridge is visible on the host, usually you would just have to assign it an IP in the same subnet as the guests, then add routing rules to the host and VMs
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63 [00:21:56] <SerajewelKS> Exagone313: remove grub-efi and install grub-pc
64 [00:22:06] <Exagone313> I have both installed
65 [00:22:10] <fearnothing> yeah I'd already done that, what had happened is some script or other had added a bunch of iptables rules without me realising
66 [00:22:13] <Exagone313> I thought it was conflicting
67 [00:22:16] <SerajewelKS> Exagone313: okay. remove grub-efi.
68 [00:22:30] <fearnothing> I thought I'd made a mistake with the routing config so I hadn't been looking at iptables
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72 [00:24:30] <ntd> SerajewelKS, no
73 [00:24:38] <ntd> grub-pc-bin
74 [00:25:15] <SerajewelKS> ntd: i have no idea what you mean
75 [00:25:25] <Exagone313> ok I think I installed both grub (on protective mbr and efi on gpt), but I boot without EFI
76 [00:25:46] <SerajewelKS> Exagone313: if you don't boot with EFI then you should not install EFI on GPT
77 [00:25:50] <ntd> installing the package grub-pc-bin on a system which alreadu has efi grub will let you grub-install on both mbr and efi systems
78 [00:25:57] <SerajewelKS> you shouldn't be using grub-efi at all
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80 [00:26:16] <Exagone313> SerajewelKS: I think I wanted to use EFI in the first place
81 [00:26:28] <SerajewelKS> ntd: okay? i'm not sure why installing that is better than removing the unnecessary grub-efi package
82 [00:26:34] <Exagone313> but right now I don't want to connect a screen to this machine in case of an issue at boot
83 [00:27:10] <SerajewelKS> Exagone313: gotcha. so yeah, remove grub-efi then reinstall grub on the devices you wish to boot from. note if using GPT then this requires a BIOS boot partition. if you don't have that on the GPT disk then you can't boot from that disk.
84 [00:27:11] <ntd> SerajewelKS, because that will make the installation portable between efi and mbr systems?
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86 [00:27:41] <ntd> no. better commit to one. because reasons
87 [00:28:38] <SerajewelKS> if you have a GPT with UEFI and BIOS boot partitions already, sure. or an msdos label with a UEFI partition.
88 [00:29:01] <SerajewelKS> otherwise grub-efi serves no purpose
89 [00:29:06] <Exagone313> SerajewelKS: hmm I think I want to try EFI anyway, I got this replaced-url
90 [00:29:21] <Exagone313> I do have
91 [00:29:36] <SerajewelKS> Exagone313: that gives me a 404
92 [00:29:54] <SerajewelKS> Exagone313: your GPT has an EFI and a BIOS boot partition? your non-GPT has an EFI partition?
93 [00:30:08] <Exagone313> SerajewelKS: not 404 for me
94 [00:30:26] <Exagone313> I have GPT and a /boot/efi mounted
95 [00:30:29] <SerajewelKS> hmm now it's working, before it redirected me to some arcane URL
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98 [00:31:16] <SerajewelKS> Exagone313: so the trick is, if you want both disks to be bootable, you have to have the /boot/efi for the device you're installing on mounted at the time you do the install
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101 [00:31:37] <SerajewelKS> Exagone313: i'm not sure how to accomplish that when trying to grub-install for EFI to multiple disks at once. someone else may know.
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104 [00:32:03] <SerajewelKS> maybe grub is smart enough to figure out what mountpoint to use if you mount the second one somewhere else (/boot/efi2 or somesuch) but i don't know
105 [00:32:28] <Exagone313> it created a /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grubx64.efi
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107 [00:32:48] <Exagone313> what do you mean by multiple disks?
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109 [00:33:21] <SerajewelKS> you said you had a GPT disk and a non-GPT disk?
110 [00:33:25] <Exagone313> no
111 [00:33:38] <jorgedg99> Hi
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113 [00:33:41] <Exagone313> I have GPT with protective MBR
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115 [00:34:01] <jorgedg99> anyone knows how to install Oracle sql-developer on debian?
116 [00:34:10] <Exagone313> you can actually have both mbr/dos and efi grub installed at the same time
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118 [00:34:22] <Exagone313> I have this on my iso usb key
119 [00:34:23] <SerajewelKS> Exagone313: okay then the install should have worked and i couldn't tell you why it didn't
120 [00:34:59] <Exagone313> probably because I need to reboot into an EFI system to be able to use efibootmgr
121 [00:35:21] <Exagone313> I think that's why I didn't do it last time, too lazy
122 [00:35:34] <Exagone313> but thanks, I got this now
123 [00:35:54] <Exagone313> (will come back on next grub upgrade because I'll have forgotten about this)
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126 [00:37:29] <SerajewelKS> i'm not sure why that would be the case, all efibootmgr should be doing is twiddling in /boot/efi
127 [00:37:36] <SerajewelKS> it shouldn't care how the system was booted, AFAIK
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132 [00:40:38] <BCMM> SerajewelKS: doesn't it need to access nvram or something?
133 [00:41:00] <jorgedg99> Could anyone help me?
134 [00:41:06] <Exagone313> "Note: efibootmgr requires that the kernel support access to EFI non-volatile variables through /sys/firmware/efi/vars or /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/"
135 [00:41:15] <Exagone313> don't have /sys/firmware/efi right now :P
136 [00:41:16] <somiaj> I don't think it has to (though this would require using the firmware bios to go manually select the .efi file to boot from)
137 [00:41:38] <BCMM> Exagone313: yeah, i think you have to boot with efi to have access to that
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139 [00:41:55] <somiaj> yea, without being able to access the nvram, it cannot add the boot option to your firmware (or make it default), though there are ways around this in some firmware.
140 [00:42:12] <Exagone313> this is a loophole about laziness
141 [00:42:26] <ryouma> why is intel-microcode being isntalled today? aptitude why intel-microcode says replaced-url
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143 [00:42:49] <somiaj> jorgedg99: oracle usually has docmentation for linux that would work in debian. Though we usually stick to supporting debian software (not third party). You would have to find someone who actually has experience with oracles software.
144 [00:43:00] <somiaj> jorgedg99: also usually you pay oracle for support with such things.
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148 [00:43:35] <somiaj> ryouma: what command did you run to install it. There are ways to configure suggests to be installed automatically, unsure if you did any change like that.
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151 [00:43:43] <somiaj> ryouma: though if running intel, it is highly recommended you install it
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154 [00:46:27] <ryouma> somiaj: huh, well today as usual i did update followed by "apt-get --verbose-versions --show-upgraded dist-upgrade" and got "amd64-microcode (2.20160316.1~deb8u1) firmware-amd-graphics (20161130-4~deb8u1) firmware-misc-nonfree (20161130-4~deb8u1) intel-microcode (3.20180807a.1~deb8u1) iucode-tool (1.1.1-1)" as new packages, even though the only upgraded package was firmware-linux-nonfree which seems to have nothing
155 [00:46:27] <ryouma> to do with intel according to aptitude why.
156 [00:46:56] <ryouma> i didn't change apt to do anything with suggests
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159 [00:47:49] <somiaj> and you don't have firmware-linux installed?
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161 [00:48:32] <ryouma> correct
162 [00:48:35] <ryouma> not installed
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167 [00:50:43] <somiaj> ryouma: and the output you pasted is from 'aptitude why intel-microcode'
168 [00:50:51] <ryouma> correct
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170 [00:51:21] <somiaj> I don't see why it is pulling it, unless at some point in time you had firmware-linux installed.
171 [00:51:36] <ryouma> maybe the jessie lts team decided that intel just plain needed to be installed? but did not send out a notice?
172 [00:51:49] <somiaj> you could search for reverse depends on intel-microcode with aptitude or apt-rdepends if really needed.
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177 [00:52:35] <somiaj> well it would have to do that with depends some how, and you should be able to track down the actual package. But in general (espically with the intel exploit at the start of the year), having the updated microcode is suggested.
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180 [00:53:45] <ryouma> i couldn't find reverse dependfs in aptitude so i did apt-rdepends: replaced-url
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183 [00:54:37] <somiaj> that is resursive depends, you need another flag to do reverse depends
184 [00:55:00] <somiaj> ryouma: apt-rdepends -r intel-microcode
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188 [00:55:53] <ryouma> replaced-url
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191 [00:56:51] <ryouma> if all those packages are ok to install, i will install them. but i want to track down why a new package is going to be installed even though these tools are saying it's not depended on by anything
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201 [00:59:12] <somiaj> ryouma: yea, i'm usnure why it would be installed, but I would strongly suggest installing it if you run intel cpu.
202 [00:59:58] <ryouma> ok. what about the others?
203 [01:00:13] <somiaj> ryouma: aptitude search ~i~Rintel-microcode
204 [01:00:53] <ryouma> returns nothing
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206 [01:01:15] <somiaj> It really looks like something on your system wants to pull in firmware-linux which is pulling in all those firmware packages. I don't know why though.
207 [01:01:38] <ryouma> but firmware-linux is not in the list to be installed
208 [01:01:42] <somiaj> ryouma: aptitude search ~i~Rrecommends:intel-microcode
209 [01:01:52] <ryouma> what is ~R?
210 [01:01:53] <somiaj> ryouma: yea, as I said, I don't see the actual culprit.
211 [01:01:55] <somiaj> reverse depends.
212 [01:02:11] <somiaj> so that is looking for all packages that reocmmend intel-microcode
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214 [01:02:18] <somiaj> the first looked for all packages that 'depend' on intel-microcode
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216 [01:02:31] <somiaj> the ~i is only looking trhough installed packages, remove that to see all.
217 [01:02:36] <ryouma> i initramfs-tools - generic modular initramfs generator
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219 [01:03:21] <ryouma> so i guess somebody aded a recommendation to that package?
220 [01:03:24] <somiaj> hmm, why is it giving the recommends of intell-microcode....:/
221 [01:03:48] <BCMM> if you install recommended packages, your life gets much easier, but you *will* sometimes be surprised by stuff getting installed
222 [01:04:03] <somiaj> ahh, sorry, reverse depends, I want actual depends, so aptitude search ~i~Drecommends:intel-microcode
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225 [01:05:03] <somiaj> and then run aptitude search ~i~Dintel-microcode (that should list all packages that either depend on or recommend intel-microcode)
226 [01:05:10] <somiaj> s/all packages/all installed packages/
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229 [01:08:50] <somiaj> ryouma: I'm only getting firmware-linux, firmware-linux-nonfree, iucode-tool and micocode.ctl as packages in jessie that would depend or recommend intel-microcode.
230 [01:08:51] <ryouma> i firmware-linux-nonfree
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232 [01:09:08] <somiaj> yup, there it is, firmware-linux-nonfree recommends intel-microcode
233 [01:09:23] <ryouma> so i do have a package that recommends intel-microcode. but i did not yesterday?
234 [01:09:44] <ryouma> so they added a recommends to it?
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238 [01:11:11] <somiaj> check the changelog in /usr/share/doc/firmware-linux-nonfree/changelog.Debian.gz
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240 [01:11:33] <somiaj> it could also be you installed something that pulled in that firmware package.
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255 [01:15:48] <ryouma> could this from regular changelog be the reason? replaced-url
256 [01:16:19] <ryouma> oh, no, it can't be because i have not installed the new packages yet
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262 [01:18:00] <somiaj> sprunge.us is taking forever to load here, so unsure about paste, also had to reboot so missing info I think.
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265 [01:19:54] <somiaj> that changelog is from an older version than in jessie, so that recommended has been there for a while.
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268 [01:20:07] <somiaj> maybe something pulled in firmware-linux-nonfree during an upgrade (that was the change).
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270 [01:23:13] <ryouma> you missed nothing from the reboot
271 [01:23:40] <somiaj> yea, all this talk about kernels, I realized I haven't rebooted in a while, so thought now was a good time. But now it is time to head home from work.
272 [01:24:03] <ryouma> ok, iiuc, so then firmware-linux-nonfree added recommends in the upcoming thing i am about to approve?
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274 [01:24:15] <somiaj> so best of luck in your investigation. But it appears that firmware-linux-nonfree is the package pulling in the micorcode due to a recommended added in verison 0.37 (though you have version 0.42 -- which is what came with jessie)
275 [01:24:19] <ryouma> all these non-free thigns...
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277 [01:24:56] <ryouma> weird, then why didn't it pull it in long ago?
278 [01:25:09] <somiaj> that recommends was added Sun, 06 Jan 2013 02:52:52
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280 [01:25:24] <somiaj> unsure, maybe you only recentally installed this firmware package. Not quite sure.
281 [01:25:37] <somiaj> but I wouldn't worry about it, that package is needed on intel systems.
282 [01:25:51] <somiaj> well is strongly recommended
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291 [01:29:28] <Exagone313> SerajewelKS: yeah ok I installed EFI correctly, it works
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295 [01:31:04] <ryouma> i installed long ago. i'm concerned about the other packages being pulled in too, but i accepted the packages
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298 [01:31:49] <ryouma> i'll just trust that jessie is doing the correct thing, and the risk of the other blobs being installed is minimal
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308 [01:39:29] <ryouma> somiaj: thanks for confirming that this is still strange and that i should install at least one of the binaries and showing me tools
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468 [03:38:29] <maxrazer> Can I login with the same username on multiple tty and logout without causing a problem?
469 [03:39:39] <awal1> you can
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473 [03:40:10] <maxrazer> Ok, people think it might be nvidia driver, but my computer becomes nonresponsive.
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518 [04:32:45] <thecoffemaker> Hi there, need some advise or help ... the thing is, I'm trying to install debian on a thinkpad t430u, it already has a debian running, but need to reinstall since it's on sid for several years by now ... anyway, my issue is that I'm trying to do a netinstall, have the thumbdrive with the installer, loads grub, then I select any install option (having the same behaivour in both terminal and graphic install) then the screen goes black
519 [04:32:54] <thecoffemaker> and nothing more
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521 [04:33:17] <thecoffemaker> seems that can load the kernel
522 [04:33:34] <dvs> Are you installing over Wifi?
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524 [04:33:41] <thecoffemaker> nop
525 [04:33:53] <thecoffemaker> wired to gigalan
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527 [04:34:32] <thecoffemaker> anyway ... the installer does not load the initial screens from the repos
528 [04:34:35] <dvs> How did you put the installer on the thumbdrive?
529 [04:35:16] <thecoffemaker> dd if=debian.iamge | pv | dd of=/dev/sdd (for example)
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531 [04:35:22] <dvs> ok
532 [04:36:05] <dvs> Which ISO file did you use?
533 [04:36:21] <thecoffemaker> the one ready for usb
534 [04:36:31] <thecoffemaker> from debian.org
535 [04:36:40] <thecoffemaker> just 4 the record, using linux since 1995 and debian for more than ten years
536 [04:36:55] <dvs> they are all made for USB these days.
537 [04:37:04] <thecoffemaker> I know ;)
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539 [04:38:25] <thecoffemaker> dvs, replaced-url
540 [04:38:30] <thecoffemaker> amd64
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542 [04:40:07] <thecoffemaker> anyway ... it's weird, with an ubuntu thumb I can load the OS, still waiting if something happends with the installation process
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544 [04:40:42] <thecoffemaker> no feedback at all
545 [04:40:44] <dvs> Yeah, it sounds weird. Those I mentioned are usually the problem
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547 [04:41:12] <thecoffemaker> yeap ... but not my case
548 [04:41:26] <thecoffemaker> really can't understand
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550 [04:42:49] <thecoffemaker> and need to reinstall coz sid is hard to maintain for long time ... 7 years rolling lol
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563 [04:46:56] <dvs> thecoffemaker, I'd try this image but it's probably a long shot: replaced-url
564 [04:47:30] <thecoffemaker> mmm i386
565 [04:47:42] <dvs> it's both i386 and amd64
566 [04:47:53] <thecoffemaker> my bad
567 [04:48:41] <thecoffemaker> wow ... downloading like 90's at 56k
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582 [05:06:32] <thecoffemaker> well ... no way .... same thing
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602 [05:20:54] <jim> hi, I am trying to run tmux, but I get: "tmux: need UTF-8 locale (LC_CTYPE) but have ANSI_X3.4-1968"; what can I do?
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604 [05:21:45] <jim> isn't there a locale picker?
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606 [05:23:49] <jim> maybe I found one, utf8-migration-tool
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610 [05:25:25] <jelly> !locales
611 [05:25:25] <dpkg> Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. replaced-url
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616 [05:27:41] <jim> thanks jelly
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619 [05:35:13] <azamet> i want to use the mass attack option the passwords should start with AB also AB44564654 AB98494984 etc. 10 charset i tryed -a 3 -w 4 -1 AB?d ?1?1?1?1?1?1?1?1?1?1 did not work can you pls help me
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622 [05:36:44] <dvs> um, no
623 [05:37:13] <azamet> you maybe not but im sure there is one hero in this chat somewhere :D
624 [05:37:45] <jelly> azamet: how did it fail? ? is a special character in shell, you will want to 'single quote' or "double quote" any parameters containing it
625 [05:38:05] <azamet> it is mixing the alphabets man i want it should begin everytime with AB
626 [05:38:17] <azamet> the "AB" should not be on the end of password or center
627 [05:38:38] <azamet> it should begin with AB everytime
628 [05:38:52] <jelly> !ask
629 [05:38:52] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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632 [05:39:59] <jelly> azamet: showing the full command line might be useful, otherwise we have to guess which tool you're talking about at all
633 [05:40:31] <azamet> hashcat -m 2500 -a 3 -w 4 /home/xxxx/Masaüstü/10459_1542083249.hccapx -1 AB?d ?1?1?1?1?1?1?1?1?1?1
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635 [05:40:39] <azamet> this is what i did tryed
636 [05:40:48] <jelly> ,v hashcat
637 [05:40:49] <judd> Package: hashcat on amd64 -- stretch: 3.30-1; buster: 4.2.1-1; sid: 5.0.0-1
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639 [05:42:00] <jelly> oh, a brute force password cracker
640 [05:42:07] <dvs> yup
641 [05:42:11] <azamet> brute force is over
642 [05:42:14] <azamet> it is mass attack
643 [05:42:25] <azamet> but it is of course same
644 [05:42:32] <jelly> how is that different
645 [05:42:42] <azamet> only different is brute force is not working good :D
646 [05:42:48] <azamet> mass attack is saving sesson
647 [05:43:00] <azamet> and shows you the estimated time
648 [05:44:05] <awal1> azamet which version of debian are you using?
649 [05:44:07] <awal1> :P
650 [05:44:19] <azamet> 100 :D
651 [05:44:25] <awal1> ?
652 [05:44:26] <azamet> i mean there is no different
653 [05:44:31] <azamet> the command is same
654 [05:44:47] <azamet> even if i use windows command is same right?
655 [05:44:49] <azamet> on hashcat
656 [05:45:01] <azamet> dont ask for asking
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659 [05:45:50] <jelly> azamet: well, if you're not using debian, this is the wrong place to ask
660 [05:46:14] <awal1> this channel is not for mtm stuff azamet
661 [05:46:23] <azamet> is there any hero can help me bro?
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663 [05:47:00] <awal1> this can help you replaced-url
664 [05:47:02] <awal1> :P
665 [05:47:15] <awal1> dpkgÑ hacker
666 [05:47:23] <awal1> dpkg: hacker
667 [05:47:23] <dpkg> hacker is, like, someone that hacks. See <hacking>, or an interesting essay can be found at replaced-url
668 [05:47:42] <azamet> i still need help
669 [05:48:26] <awal1> i can teach you cracking stuff . 100$ / hour
670 [05:48:44] <diogenes_> azamet, what's the issue?
671 [05:48:47] <awal1> night shift $150
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674 [05:50:02] <azamet> i have problem with hashcat i want to use the brute force but it should start everytime with AB 10 charset i tryed hashcat -m 2500 -a 3 -w 4 /home/xxxx/Masaüstü/10459_1542083249.hccapx -1 AB?d ?1?1?1?1?1?1?1?1?1?1 but it is not starting with AB
675 [05:50:09] <jelly> azamet: you'll probably find better help in place more oriented for brute-force attacks or even ##security
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679 [05:51:24] <diogenes_> try asking in #kali linux
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681 [05:52:23] <azamet> i already did
682 [05:52:40] <annadane> if people tell you to stop asking then stop asking?
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684 [05:52:48] <annadane> novel idea, i know
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689 [05:54:54] <diogenes_> smells like an upcoming boot )
690 [05:55:00] <jelly> diogenes_: #kalilinux policy is not to explain the tools used, they're there just for the distro itself
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693 [05:55:42] <diogenes_> roger that jelly
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699 [05:58:35] <vegenaise> anyone around to check out a py script and a terminal output to help me (a noob) figure out why the script didn't work and what to do?
700 [05:59:06] <vegenaise> replaced-url
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724 [06:12:57] <annadane> isn't there an irc channel to check for scripts or something? i thought someone mentioned it once
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781 [06:48:54] <vegenaise> there could be, i dunno. pretty new to irc as well
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794 [07:00:15] <jelly> vegenaise: ask in a python channel, perhaps? Does ~/.config/deluge/state/torrents.state exist? Can you dump the unpickled representation and see what's in there?
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800 [07:01:17] <vegenaise> that state file path also is the correct address
801 [07:01:37] <vegenaise> i don't know what your last question means, sorry lol
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974 [09:12:46] <darxmurf> I have a few stable machines running nvidia-driver from stretch-backports this morning I did an apt-get upgrade and now when I launch a dist-upgrade, it says it will remove a good load of packages like libreoffice, xserver-xorg* and all. Why then ??
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1004 [09:23:56] <j3kyl_> why installing steam, debian install nvidia packages too? intel laptop!
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1024 [09:31:08] <anzipex> How to set static ip for eth0? It should work only if ethernet cable is connected, if not than use wifi network with dhcp
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1027 [09:32:52] <RoyK> !interfaces
1028 [09:32:53] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. replaced-url
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1033 [09:33:44] <darxmurf> babilen: replaced-url
1034 [09:33:46] <darxmurf> :-)
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1045 [09:39:49] <babilen> darxmurf: Looks as if you removed some metapackage that pulled those in .. mark whatever packages you want to keep as manually installed.
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1049 [09:41:03] <darxmurf> well, nothing was removed during the apt-get upgrade
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1051 [09:41:09] <darxmurf> that's why I don't understand
1052 [09:41:49] <darxmurf> and this is probably caused by nvidia-drivers which are not from the stable repo. I had this issur once or twice already and as now I have around 40 machines to upgrade, I would like to know what's wrong
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1054 [09:42:41] <darxmurf> or is the issue linked with the packages which have been "kept back" ?
1055 [09:44:04] <jelly> darxmurf: this metapackages would have been removed at some point in the past, before that apt-get upgrade
1056 [09:44:10] <jelly> metapackage
1057 [09:44:33] <babilen> apt upgrade simply doesn't remove packages (that's one difference to "dist-upgrade" / "full-upgrade")
1058 [09:44:49] <babilen> You'd see the same removals if you were to run "apt-get autoremove" now
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1060 [09:45:46] <darxmurf> nop, nothing
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1064 [09:47:37] <BenNZ> darxmurf: just out of curiosity , looks like youre using a 64bit system but 32bit nvidia driver ?
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1066 [09:48:18] <darxmurf> hmm even if I apt-get install -t stretch-backports nvidia-driver (nothing to install as it's already there) and then apt-get dist-upgrade, it wants to remove the driver Oo
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1069 [09:48:59] <darxmurf> BenNZ: hmm nop, I have the 64bit version with some 32 bit libw
1070 [09:49:05] <darxmurf> ii nvidia-driver 390.87-2~bpo9+1 amd64 NVIDIA metapackage
1071 [09:49:27] <BenNZ> darxmurf: ok just some libs
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1078 [09:52:16] <babilen> darxmurf: Running aptitude with "-W" might be interesting .. in the end it will be down to the same mechanics as mentioned earlier. You just have to find the package that's responsible for pulling in those packages and the one that is in conflict
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1080 [09:53:08] <BenNZ> darxmurf: can you do an apt-get install -s -t stretch-backports nvidia-driver:amd64 --reinstall
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1088 [09:59:54] <darxmurf> huh, never used aptitude :D
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1090 [10:00:16] <darxmurf> with -W it says I have 12 upgradable packages
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1092 [10:00:42] <darxmurf> 53664 packages added since the last time I cleared the list
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1095 [10:00:57] <darxmurf> 1541 packages installed currently
1096 [10:01:09] <darxmurf> 76 obsolete
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1099 [10:03:11] <goerkel> hello
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1101 [10:03:43] <darxmurf> BenNZ replaced-url
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1107 [10:07:55] <darxmurf> I'm trying to remove nvidia-driver on one of the machines
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1110 [10:10:50] <darxmurf> hmmm funky
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1112 [10:11:03] <darxmurf> I removed and reinstall nvidia-driver and all is okay now
1113 [10:11:49] <Scorpion2185> whiel installing debian 9 it failed the bootloader
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1116 [10:14:10] <Scorpion2185> when
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1118 [10:16:45] <at0m> Scorpion2185: yes, when where? the bootloader of the installer, or of the fresh installation? any error?
1119 [10:17:32] <at0m> bbl
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1121 [10:18:20] <Scorpion2185> at0m: fresh installtion , grub doesn't support your system yet
1122 [10:18:57] <Scorpion2185> at0m: was a tablet with 32bit uefi , intel atom
1123 [10:19:39] <Scorpion2185> i was able to install lubuntu, maybe becasue of the connection. How can i add to the iso the realtek drivers?
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1141 [10:30:48] <Scorpion2185> ??
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1152 [10:37:55] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: wifi?
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1154 [10:38:57] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: yes,
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1156 [10:40:19] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: Try using the firmware installer:
1157 [10:40:25] <petn-randall> !firmware images
1158 [10:40:25] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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1160 [10:41:06] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: but i need to add it to the iso, so i also need to use an update kernel like 4.18.15
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1163 [10:43:35] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: "adding" things to the images is not trivial. You'd need to read up on the mastering process, and change things there.
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1165 [10:44:59] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: i tried with the live and chroot, i need to modify the iso. I also nned to add some lines to the silead moduel for the touch.
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1167 [10:46:46] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: As I said, it's quite complicated. I recommend you read up on the debootstrap installation method instead, as documented in the release notes.
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1170 [10:48:33] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall:ok i don't know what is
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1174 [10:49:46] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: do yo uhave some link?
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1180 [10:52:13] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: replaced-url
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1182 [10:52:38] <Scorpion2185> i ' m using amd64
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1185 [10:53:22] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: Then replace i386 with amd64 in the link.
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1187 [10:55:34] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: so i can aad the kernl and some packages using this?
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1189 [10:57:53] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: I said you can install with it.
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1191 [10:59:17] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: right i can use lubbuntu to instal ldebian. "t's also a clever way for dealing with hardware that otherwise doesn't play friendly with various boot or installation media.
1192 [10:59:17] <Scorpion2185> [Note]"
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1196 [11:00:59] <Scorpion2185> And on anothe rpc i can' t use the bluetooth. I can t find anywhere this file "rtl8821a_config.bin"
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1198 [11:01:49] <Scorpion2185> errpr -2 file missing. I installed the realtek pack but it isn't there
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1200 [11:02:52] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: if i want to try to modify the iso is possible?
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1204 [11:05:16] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: Probably, but I don't know how.
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1207 [11:07:23] <Scorpion2185> replaced-url
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1233 [11:18:22] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: ?
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1235 [11:18:47] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: is possible to modify the iso?
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1239 [11:21:03] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: Learn to read my messages. I already told you.
1240 [11:21:23] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: 11:05 <petn-randa > Scorpion2185: Probably, but I don't know how.
1241 [11:21:31] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: you told me that is hard not if is possible
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1245 [11:22:04] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: If it's hard it's possible, or not?
1246 [11:22:21] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: It might just take you a few weeks of hard work to get it done, though.
1247 [11:22:35] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: yes, but everything is possible
1248 [11:23:03] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: using debbootstrap when installing the bootloader i will have internet?
1249 [11:23:58] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: If you have an internet connection in the live system, sure.
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1251 [11:24:34] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: the live system is the system that i will install so no?
1252 [11:25:19] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: Your question doesn't make much sense. Maybe read the instructions first?
1253 [11:25:51] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall:the live system is the os already installed?
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1260 [11:31:01] <bites> live systems are temporary systems you can easily boot off a usb drive to rescue or in your case install a different system.
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1266 [11:33:57] <Scorpion2185> bites: to instaaling the debootstrap ican use an already instaaled system?
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1269 [11:34:35] <bites> i don't know what you are asking.
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1271 [11:35:26] <Scorpion2185> nevermind
1272 [11:35:40] <Scorpion2185> I can't find anywhere a frmware
1273 [11:35:41] <bites> debootstrap is used to install a debian system into a directory. you run it from a different, already running linux system.
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1275 [11:36:05] <Scorpion2185> bites: indeed , but when i saw live system i get confused
1276 [11:36:14] <Scorpion2185> I can't find anywhere a frmware
1277 [11:36:43] <bites> which firmware? debian has non-free firmware installers that include a lot of firmware.
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1281 [11:37:32] <bites> !firmware images
1282 [11:37:32] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
1283 [11:38:10] <Scorpion2185> i installed the package related but one firmware is missing
1284 [11:38:26] <Scorpion2185> rtl8821a_config.bin
1285 [11:38:34] <Scorpion2185> replaced-url
1286 [11:38:58] <Scorpion2185> I can't find it anywhere i nthe net, rtl8821a_config.bin
1287 [11:41:47] <rant> Scorpion2185: are you using bluetooth for internet?
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1289 [11:42:08] <Scorpion2185> rant: no, why?
1290 [11:42:32] <rant> am I mistaken or is the message you're getting actually "bluetooth hci0: firmware: failed to load rtl_bt/rtl8821a_config.bin"
1291 [11:42:46] <rant> which means that firmware is for a bluetooth device
1292 [11:43:04] <rant> i.e. has nothing to do with your ethernet or wifi
1293 [11:43:14] <Scorpion2185> yes this is another pc
1294 [11:43:24] <Scorpion2185> i get an somethign like firmware: failed to load rtl_bt/rtl8821a_config.bin (-2)
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1297 [11:43:44] <Scorpion2185> that fir mware i s miissing so. I can't find anywhere in internet
1298 [11:43:48] <rant> #893912
1299 [11:43:49] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1303 [11:44:59] <Scorpion2185> judd: i installed that package but that firmware is missing the bug is still open
1304 [11:45:00] <judd> No package named 'installed' was found in stretch/amd64.
1305 [11:45:18] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: "something like" is not helpful. We need the exact message.
1306 [11:45:30] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: rtl_bt/rtl8821a_config.bin is for *bluetooth* hardware.
1307 [11:45:30] <dka> I need to animate the graphic designer who didn't do the layer properly, how can I relayer svg ? (debian/windows)
1308 [11:45:53] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: itold you that frimware is missing error 2.. i also checek
1309 [11:46:21] <Scorpion2185> judd: the package name is realtek firmware
1310 [11:46:29] <rant> Scorpion2185: stop talking to judd, its a bot
1311 [11:46:42] <Scorpion2185> rant: ah ok
1312 [11:46:51] <rant> Scorpion2185: stop talking about this firmware, it has nothing to do with your issue
1313 [11:47:04] <Scorpion2185> rant: is another issue
1314 [11:47:20] <rant> Scorpion2185: do you have access to this machine and what sort of OS is it running RIGHT NOW?
1315 [11:47:40] <Scorpion2185> rant: debian 9 obviously
1316 [11:47:46] <Scorpion2185> rant: is this machine
1317 [11:48:02] <rant> Scorpion2185: so you have it online then? Wired?
1318 [11:48:19] <Scorpion2185> rant: no the bluetooth machine. sry
1319 [11:48:29] <Scorpion2185> rant: that pc is offline. it has lubuntu
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1322 [11:49:02] <Scorpion2185> rant: Lubuntu has that wi-.fi driver by defautl . MAybe is also the kernel 4.15
1323 [11:49:26] <rant> ok, well type lspci -nn on it then give us the pciid for the network card(s) it'll be at the end and look like this: [1234:abcd] it'll be two sets of hexidecimal digits in brackets like that..
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1325 [11:50:10] <Scorpion2185> realtek 8723bs are the drivers
1326 [11:50:21] <rant> I dont care
1327 [11:50:27] <Scorpion2185> i know it. i also saw it in the bios
1328 [11:50:37] <rant> those drivers like ost support tons of different pciids
1329 [11:50:52] <rant> the pciid is unique to that specific hw
1330 [11:51:13] <hassoon[work]> 'morning
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1332 [11:52:13] <Scorpion2185> rant: ah ok. which is the card? ISA bridge?
1333 [11:52:22] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: Show us the *exact* error you're getting. Otherwise we can't help you.
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1337 [11:52:54] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: ? the tablet or firmware bluetooth?
1338 [11:52:59] <rant> if this user can't tell the difference between ISA bridge, Bluetooth, and a network adapter they surely can't give you an exact error
1339 [11:53:13] <rant> this is PICNIC
1340 [11:53:41] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: The exact error you're getting when trying to install the system, where it fails loading the firmware.
1341 [11:53:54] <petn-randall> rant: PEBKAC?
1342 [11:53:59] <rant> the debian instaler would be vague
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1344 [11:54:25] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: i told you. grub2 failed. yoyur system isn't supported yet
1345 [11:54:54] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: in some cases is necessary a connection for some bootloader
1346 [11:55:11] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: lubuntu was able to install .
1347 [11:55:32] <at0m> Scorpion2185: then maybe get the non-free installer
1348 [11:55:32] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: Why are we talking about firmware issues then?
1349 [11:55:50] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: that another pc . another issue
1350 [11:55:51] <at0m> ubuntu isn't known for following free rules
1351 [11:56:12] <Scorpion2185> at0m: right. There is the ldxe live version?
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1355 [11:56:52] <at0m> no idea. if there isnt, maybe a netinstall and ldxe from there
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1357 [11:57:36] <Scorpion2185> rant: how can i find that netcard thing?
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1359 [11:58:15] <at0m> Scorpion2185: seems there is: replaced-url
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1361 [11:58:46] <rant> Scorpion2185: perhaps its because your network adapter is USB?
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1363 [11:59:08] <rant> Scorpion2185: we really can't help with anything because you are not making ANY SENSE
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1365 [11:59:16] <Scorpion2185> at0m: i use amd64
1366 [11:59:29] <Scorpion2185> rant: why?
1367 [11:59:36] <no_gravity> What is a nice oneliner that truncates a file if it is larger then 1mb?
1368 [11:59:36] <at0m> Scorpion2185: voila, there you go then. there's a live version w lxde
1369 [11:59:49] <rant> idk, you tell me.. I have my theories... but only you would know ...
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1373 [12:00:40] <petn-randall> The problem with Scorpion2185 is that they're trying to solve several issues at once and are switching randomly between them.
1374 [12:01:41] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: right. byut one is easy only nned to find that firmware
1375 [12:02:46] <rant> you also need to find the queen of england, or how about the holy grail?
1376 [12:03:07] <rant> unless you are trying to use bluetooth, that error has nothing to do with any issue you think you have
1377 [12:03:47] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: The difficult part is getting you to copy and paste the exact error message, which is why I gave up helping you.
1378 [12:03:51] <Scorpion2185> rant: i tried. but is not very important. Evrytime when booting errro -2. How about the netcard?
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1382 [12:04:37] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: I can't copy it
1383 [12:04:55] <rant> Scorpion2185: you either need to get someone who is not retarded, schitzo, and suffering from ADDHD, or you need to stay on task, start from the beginning, and explain not what you think the problem is, but what they actual situation and issue is
1384 [12:05:22] <petn-randall> rant: Try to keep it civil in here please.
1385 [12:05:55] <no_gravity> Strange, less shows me a file is 1,4K. But find -size +1M does not find it. Why?
1386 [12:06:03] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: Then we can't help you with the issue, as the error contains the file you need. And we need the *exact* filename to tell you if it's in a Debian package or not.
1387 [12:06:12] <no_gravity> Oh, one moment :)
1388 [12:06:27] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: i told the exact name i also link the debian forum page
1389 [12:06:31] <no_gravity> 1,4k does not mean 1400k :)
1390 [12:06:38] <Scorpion2185> rtl8821a_config.bin
1391 [12:06:57] <petn-randall> Scorpion2185: This is for bluetooth hardware?
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1393 [12:07:11] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: yes .Indeed i can t use the bluettooth
1394 [12:07:30] <Scorpion2185> petn-randall: the netcard is rt8723bs realtek
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1396 [12:08:46] <no_gravity> Ok, here comes my glorious solution:
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1398 [12:09:07] <no_gravity> find /path/to/file -size +1M -exec truncate -s0 {} \;
1399 [12:09:12] <Scorpion2185> replaced-url
1400 [12:09:15] <no_gravity> What do you guys think?
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1402 [12:09:24] <no_gravity> Will that run reliably for eternity?
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1430 [12:28:37] <glaucom> ,v lightworks
1431 [12:28:39] <judd> No package named 'lightworks' was found in amd64.
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1452 [12:40:41] <RoyK> glaucom: doubt that'll get into the official repos - it's not OSS
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1456 [12:42:06] <glaucom> what is oss ?
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1458 [12:42:49] <petn-randall> !oss
1459 [12:42:49] <dpkg> i guess oss is an acronym for Open Source Software, coined by Vinod Valloppillil in the first <Halloween> document. Also an acronym for Open Sound System, ask me about <oss4>; for OSS compatiblity in <ALSA>, ask me about <aoss>, <devdsp>.
1460 [12:42:50] <petn-randall> !foss
1461 [12:42:54] <petn-randall> !foss
1462 [12:42:55] <dpkg> i heard foss is Free and Open Source Software - See replaced-url
1463 [12:42:59] <petn-randall> glaucom: ^^^
1464 [12:43:04] <glaucom> lol tks
1465 [12:43:25] <glaucom> !alternative to lightworks ?
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1467 [12:44:37] <BCMM> glaucom: software that isn't properly free or open could get in to non-free, if somebody packaged it properly. however, it would at least need to be redistributable
1468 [12:45:42] <BCMM> glaucom: basically, does the developer even offer a licence that would permit debian mirrors to offer the download?
1469 [12:46:13] <BCMM> remember, due to the nature of "default copyright", you are not legally permitted to make copies of any copyrightable work without explicit permission
1470 [12:46:51] <BCMM> glaucom: it's a non-linear video editor, right?
1471 [12:47:11] <BCMM> glaucom: have a look at, Kdenlive if you want an alternative
1472 [12:47:40] <glaucom> k, i try kdenlive
1473 [12:47:44] <RoyK> glaucom: replaced-url
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1475 [12:48:24] <glaucom> so far I have not been able to make or run my hybrid card geforce lol
1476 [12:48:25] <RoyK> glaucom: blender is flagged professional there, which doesn't surprise me.
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1480 [12:51:29] <glaucom> k , install now
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1483 [12:53:11] <Haohmaru> have you ever seen a perfectly vertical concrete wall?
1484 [12:53:19] <Haohmaru> you've seen blender's learning curve!
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1489 [12:54:21] <BCMM> blender is probably not the greatest choice if you *just* want a nonlinear editor
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1493 [12:54:29] <Haohmaru> kdenlive is okay
1494 [12:54:55] <BCMM> a lot of sources note that it's been used on professional films. this is true, but i'm pretty sure they weren't using it for editing.
1495 [12:55:24] <Haohmaru> i've been thinking about trying blender as a video editor, but.. my head hurts just when i think about it
1496 [12:55:44] <Haohmaru> i've seen great things from it tho, and i know that blender is very very capable
1497 [12:55:57] <BCMM> glaucom: i guess there is also Cinelerra, but i don't know much about it
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1500 [12:56:56] <glaucom> replaced-url
1501 [12:57:00] <glaucom> :)
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1504 [12:57:58] <CrystalMath> blender NLE is probably useful for animated stuff
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1506 [12:58:20] <Haohmaru> yes, i've seen fancy eye-candy-type gifs made with blender
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1508 [12:58:54] <CrystalMath> for editing "real video" cinelerra is good but i've heard it's buggy
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1511 [12:59:06] <Haohmaru> also chroma-keying plus camera matching can be done entirely in blender
1512 [12:59:15] <CrystalMath> ardour has a video timeline as well btw, so it can take care of the audio tracks
1513 [12:59:25] <CrystalMath> and sync them to the video
1514 [12:59:37] <CrystalMath> it can also work with any video editor that supports JACK
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1522 [13:03:06] <glaucom> Kdenlive is col :)
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1532 [13:08:58] <tsglove> Haohmaru, I use kdenlive exclusively... yet because I do small-time video edits. Clearly the software exceeds my skills/knowledge. Yet I didn't know Blender could do video editing.
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1535 [13:09:42] <glaucom> yeha , i upload video youtube. for yours see hehehe
1536 [13:09:44] <Haohmaru> blender can be (ab)used to do tons of things, but..
1537 [13:10:23] <Haohmaru> it's generally meant for modeling and rendering
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1540 [13:11:27] <Haohmaru> if you're already very familiar with blender, then it makes sense to use it as a video editor (you'll have to learn just one small chunk of unfamiliar stuff there)
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1542 [13:12:08] <Haohmaru> but if you just wanna stitch together some videos in a familiar fashion to other programs - kdenlive is much easier
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1548 [13:16:16] <glaucom> replaced-url
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1575 [13:38:42] <jelly> glaucom: two things, 1) This video contains content from Som Livre, who has blocked it on copyright grounds. 2) #debian-offtopic for general videos unless they related directly to a tech support question
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1579 [13:41:30] <glaucom> yeah lol
1580 [13:42:08] <glaucom> Do you think it's a background music that we were listening to at the time of the churasco?
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1596 [13:49:23] <galex-713> Hi
1597 [13:50:08] <galex-713> Sound doesn’t work anymore, I suspect it is even on hardware or bios level (echo -e \\a in grub didn’t make any sound, and I didn’t find anything to restore sound), but I’m unsure, an idea how to check?
1598 [13:50:52] <galex-713> Btw, my computer went off (no more batteries) and it’s since I switched it on again that I don’t have sound anymore… maybe it has been shaken a bit but… did it happenned to anyone to get a fully functional computer beside sound?
1599 [13:51:07] <galex-713> Fyi, sound doesn’t work out of speakers nor headphones
1600 [13:51:22] <jelly> !check alsa list
1601 [13:51:46] <galex-713> so if there’s a problem, it’s probably related to the sound card (or sound system if software), I’d say (though the sound card is still detected by lspci and reloading the driver didn’t do anything)
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1603 [13:52:00] <galex-713> !check alsa list
1604 [13:52:04] <galex-713> is that supposed to do something?
1605 [13:52:33] <galex-713> dpkg doesn’t understand it
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1607 [13:52:33] <dpkg> galex-713: I wish you would RTFM.
1608 [13:52:53] <glaucom> thepiratebay.org is offline for weeks ?
1609 [13:53:41] <galex-713> jelly: btw I tried to put everything on and at max in alsamixer (which sees my sound card too), and that didn’t did anything
1610 [13:53:50] <Fox> glaucom: move to another place for this kind of discussions (and we don't care about your bbq :))
1611 [13:53:52] <BCMM> glaucom: that is super offtopic, but it's fairly likely that it's been blocked in your country rather than offline. everybody uses mirrors in the uk for example.
1612 [13:53:53] <galex-713> (“didn’t do” maybe?)
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1616 [13:54:33] <Fox> (yes, didn't do)
1617 [13:54:50] <jelly> !offtopic
1618 [13:54:50] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
1619 [13:54:52] <galex-713> (thank you ^^)
1620 [13:55:16] <glaucom> Fox: I do not care about your opinion either :)
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1622 [13:55:32] <Fox> glaucom: and thus you're off-topic
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1624 [13:55:42] <jelly> !alsa checklist
1625 [13:55:42] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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1627 [13:56:02] <glaucom> BCMM: k, tanks for !offtopic
1628 [13:56:36] <glaucom> Relax, I'm still learning about the communications channels and rules.
1629 [13:57:09] <glaucom> :*
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1632 [13:58:23] <galex-713> jelly: yeah, indeed, did all of that
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1635 [13:58:39] <galex-713> except aplay noise
1636 [13:58:44] <galex-713> but didn’t work anyway
1637 [13:59:00] <galex-713> (I wanted to do something similar but I didn’t found spkrtest installed)
1638 [13:59:04] <galex-713> so then it’s necessarily hardware right?
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1640 [13:59:30] <jelly> no, could be a kernel upgrade broke things
1641 [13:59:39] <galex-713> oh
1642 [13:59:41] <galex-713> let’s upgrade
1643 [13:59:44] <galex-713> again
1644 [13:59:45] <galex-713> maybe
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1646 [14:00:20] <jelly> galex-713: do a proper power cycle, see if that changes anything, if it does not, boot an _older_ kernel first befure upgrading
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1648 [14:00:27] <galex-713> jelly: is echo -e \\a a good way to test in grub?
1649 [14:00:43] <jelly> no
1650 [14:00:48] <galex-713> jelly: you mean like letting my battery fully discharge?
1651 [14:00:56] <galex-713> there’s no beep command in grub :/
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1653 [14:01:16] <jelly> galex-713: like powering the machine off and disconnecting AC power and batteries
1654 [14:01:27] <galex-713> ahhhh that
1655 [14:01:45] <galex-713> yeah why not, sometimes my computer shuts down (temperature) and refuse to reboot until I do that
1656 [14:01:57] <galex-713> (I really need to change the thermal paste since some time ^^')
1657 [14:02:11] <BCMM> grub is not a linux distro, and grub's "shell" does not resemble a unix shell in any technically significant way
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1659 [14:02:21] <galex-713> BCMM: I know
1660 [14:02:30] <galex-713> but it can play sounds
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1662 [14:02:46] <galex-713> and as it’s independant from linux, it can help track system issues
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1665 [14:03:19] <jelly> working PC beep does not necessarily mean the sound card works
1666 [14:03:23] <galex-713> Well, let’s reboot an older kernel then now!
1667 [14:03:25] <galex-713> jelly: okay
1668 [14:03:33] <galex-713> jelly: note beep doesn’t work either
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1671 [14:03:45] <galex-713> I have the command “beep” installed and it doesn’t do anything
1672 [14:04:48] <ixxie> hey folks; I have been having trouble with `apt-get update` in some containers and it seems like deb.debian.org is down?
1673 [14:05:06] <ixxie> in any case `docker run -it --rm debian:jessie apt-get update` fails for me at the moment
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1676 [14:06:08] <themill> ixxie: you might need to define 'trouble'
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1680 [14:06:49] <themill> (a pastebin of the output mightn't be a bad idea)
1681 [14:07:02] <ixxie> themill: replaced-url
1682 [14:08:02] <ixxie> themill - there is a chance the office IP block got blocked somehow
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1685 [14:08:30] <themill> different mirrors in different continents? unlikely
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1687 [14:09:14] <ixxie> I mean if someone here did something stupid and hammered the load balancer they might get us blocked right?
1688 [14:09:21] <themill> Your local network filtering you or the host (mis)configured so as to prevent network access would be more likely
1689 [14:09:22] <BCMM> ixxie: i can connect to that mirror, fwiw
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1691 [14:09:35] <jelly> deb.debian.org is CDN anycast powered so different mirrors can be a thing
1692 [14:09:50] <petn-randall> ixxie: I'm putting my bets on misconfigured network in the container.
1693 [14:10:06] <jelly> containers are at play?
1694 [14:10:15] <BCMM> jelly: i tried `wget --header='Host: deb.debian.org' replaced-url
1695 [14:10:17] <ixxie> petn-randall: this error appears with a fresh debian:jessie image
1696 [14:10:24] <BCMM> ixxie: do you have *any* outward connectivity on that container?
1697 [14:10:27] <ixxie> see the pastebin
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1699 [14:10:47] <BCMM> i mean is the network just down? can you curl replaced-url
1700 [14:11:07] <ixxie> I can curl even deb.debian.org from the host
1701 [14:11:26] <BCMM> ixxie: what about my wget command above?
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1703 [14:11:43] <petn-randall> ixxie: Is the issue reproducible?
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1705 [14:11:44] <BCMM> ixxie: hang on, you said from the host? i meant from within the container!
1706 [14:11:54] <ixxie> ah hold on
1707 [14:12:00] <ixxie> ill go into a debian container
1708 [14:12:02] <petn-randall> Yes, of course from the container ...
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1713 [14:12:36] <BCMM> ixxie: you see, i'm trying to work out if the issue is "apt can't connect to the internet", or "the whole container can't connect to the internet"
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1717 [14:15:11] <glaucom> wget --header='Host: deb.debian.org' replaced-url
1718 [14:15:11] <glaucom>
1719 [14:15:11] <glaucom> ok for me
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1724 [14:20:07] <ixxie> BCMM: the contaner doesn't have curl or wget but pinging google works
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1744 [14:29:42] <galex-713> Re
1745 [14:29:44] <galex-713> so
1746 [14:29:46] <galex-713> I did all of it
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1749 [14:30:17] <galex-713> tried the older (also oldest) kernel, tried upgrade (no new kernel), tried removing battery/charger
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1751 [14:30:19] <galex-713> nothing did
1752 [14:30:27] <galex-713> so then it’s hardware right?
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1783 [14:46:38] <glaucom> where to find a publisher / creator for gtk?
1784 [14:46:54] <glaucom> themes.
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1798 [14:59:05] <laughingtiger> hi where can I download a relatively big iso image of debian buster such as a 1.6G stretch image? I just can't find the download page.
1799 [14:59:42] <greycat> Buster hasn't been released yet.
1800 [14:59:50] <greycat> Wait about 8 months, maybe.
1801 [14:59:53] <laughingtiger> upgrade from stretch ends up with a black screen.
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1803 [15:00:12] <greycat> File the bug report(s) and continue using stretch.
1804 [15:00:15] <laughingtiger> greycat, so there isn't a download page or link?
1805 [15:00:21] <greycat> !debian-next
1806 [15:00:21] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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1810 [15:03:14] <laughingtiger> man battling with nvidia and nouveau is tiresome. really tiresome.
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1816 [15:04:37] <laughingtiger> greycat, thank you.
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1833 [15:13:16] <nemesis2> bonjour
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1842 [15:18:57] <nemesis2> j'ai un ptis soucis , je suis un cours sur sur le langugae javascript suivant replaced-url
1843 [15:19:02] <greycat> !fr
1844 [15:19:02] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
1845 [15:19:48] <laughingtiger> man everytime, I mean everytime when I m stuck with a problem,after talking here,no matter the help I get at here solved it or not,I will solve the problem later soon .
1846 [15:20:10] <nemesis2> ok desole j ai pas renseigne le bon nom de chan !! thank you and sorry ..
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1849 [15:21:43] <laughingtiger> I wouldn't solve it without talking with you guys.
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1864 [15:29:20] <sharp15> is it possible to have debian raise sshd depending on which wifi ssid/secret pair is connected?
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1866 [15:30:32] <BCMM> sharp15: i'm sure it can be done, but it'll be fiddly. i'd just secure sshd properly and leave it running.
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1881 [15:36:13] <jelly> fiddly widdly
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1943 [16:11:48] <sharp15> BCMM: i'm just asking because of last week or the week before's ssh vuln.
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1947 [16:12:52] <sharp15> ok. thanks.
1948 [16:12:54] <greycat> Funny, I haven't seen any upgrades of openssh-server in a while.
1949 [16:14:02] <FinalX> last CVE I see is from August
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1954 [16:16:43] <sharp15> it may not be openssh. CVE-2018-10933
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1956 [16:17:26] <abrotman> you mean the libssh vuln?
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1958 [16:17:35] <sharp15> aparently.
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1960 [16:18:52] <FinalX> that's a month ago, not a week
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1962 [16:19:08] <jelly> !cve lookup CVE-2018-10933
1963 [16:19:08] <dpkg> Information about the security advisory CVE-2018-10933 may be found at replaced-url
1964 [16:19:15] <sharp15> FinalX: ok. sorry. its been a weird few weeks.
1965 [16:19:37] <sharp15> this still doesn't change my reason for asking.
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1967 [16:20:21] <FinalX> replaced-url
1968 [16:20:28] <jelly> (libssh is not libssh2 is not openssh)
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1970 [16:20:54] <FinalX> embargoed release, my bet is that that's containing a fix for this specific CVE, considering the date
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1974 [16:21:13] <sharp15> jelly: i noticed. that still doesn't change a functional/"respected" service introducing a bug by mistake and me wanting it only on if i expect to use it.
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1976 [16:22:18] <sharp15> jelly: sorry. ty for pointing it out. i didn't realize they were different until the channel did not know what i was talking about.
1977 [16:23:23] <FinalX> well...and you pointed out a CVE that was fixed before the CVE was disclosed :)
1978 [16:23:49] <FinalX> stuff happens, even in the kernel... or even Intel CPUs..
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1982 [16:25:24] <jelly> sharp15: write a tool that stops or starts a service. Write a check that verifies which SSID you're connected to. Figure out where to put a conditional start of a services when a connection is established, otherwise stop it in the same place.
1983 [16:26:19] <jelly> that last thing will depend on which of 3-4 different wifi managers you're using, NetworkManager, or wicd, or ifupdown or whatnot.
1984 [16:26:26] <greycat> There is already a well defined way to start or stop a service.
1985 [16:26:52] <jelly> that's the simplest subtask to complete, then
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1987 [16:27:03] <greycat> The only hard part will be hooking it up to whatever thing triggers events upon "connecting to an SSID", whatever that means. I assume it's something to do with wireless.
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1990 [16:28:01] <sharp15> i was just trying to figure out if it was already done and my google fu had failed me.
1991 [16:28:05] <jelly> iirc NetworkManager does an async dbus announcy thing when it connects or when it disconnects.
1992 [16:28:50] <jelly> sharp15: which subtask of the three did you hope to have been implemented, the whole thing?
1993 [16:29:20] <sharp15> jelly: i wasn't sure. i had no idea what had been built anywhere near the topic.
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1999 [16:32:00] <jelly> sharp15: which network manager are you, in fact, using?
2000 [16:32:19] <jelly> if it's the clicky gnome thing it's NetworkManger
2001 [16:32:21] <sharp15> jelly: network-manager. kde pulled it in.
2002 [16:32:26] <jelly> right
2003 [16:32:56] <jelly> next step I'd make would be to search for "network manager connection established hook"
2004 [16:33:20] <jelly> or "run command after network manager brings up network"
2005 [16:33:31] <jelly> you catch the drift
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2007 [16:34:58] <jelly> command to stop service and command to figure out active AP ssid name should not be too hard to figure out
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2070 [17:13:25] <n_1-c_k> A network time question: I have two hosts on a lan running openntpd which differ by over 1s, replaced-url
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2077 [17:14:31] <greycat> with standard ntp, I would suggest "ntpq -p" on each system as the first step in info gathering; I don't know if openntpd has the same tools
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2079 [17:15:16] <n_1-c_k> greycat: that sounds like a "no" - thanks :)
2080 [17:15:18] <jelly> ntpq and ntpdc could stand separating into their own package
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2083 [17:16:57] <jelly> n_1-c_k: ntp daemons in general default to correcting the time slowly. If you installed the package recently and the machine use the same (or public) ntp servers for sync, it may take time to sync up.
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2087 [17:17:54] <n_1-c_k> jelly: ah that might be it. I see there is an option to force immediate adjustment on start, I'm going to try it...
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2089 [17:18:20] <jelly> some apps may choke on that, especially if time goes backward
2090 [17:18:30] <jelly> some services as well
2091 [17:18:58] <greycat> That's why the initial clock slam is supposed to be done early in the boot process.
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2093 [17:19:02] <jelly> eg. dovecot detects the situation and waits until time catches up with the previous value
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2100 [17:21:21] <n_1-c_k> jelly, greycat: I threw caution to the winds and restarted with "-s" to force sync, which seems to have proven jelly's theory, they're within about 20ms now, much better - thanks
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2105 [17:21:51] <jelly> /o\
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2119 [17:29:04] <petn-randall> . o O ( Why is mysqld now using 100% CPU? )
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2125 [17:31:47] <jelly> because your query-fu is weak?
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2130 [17:32:45] <colo-work> because mysql's optimizer-fu is weak?
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2134 [17:33:08] <greycat> because your CPU is puny?
2135 [17:33:16] <abrotman> Because MySQL ..
2136 [17:33:40] <colo-work> because infinite loops take some time to complete?
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2146 [17:40:18] <petn-randall> A few years back mysqld would use 100% CPU when a leap second was inserted, if anyone recalls. mysqld doesn't handlel changing clocks well.
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2148 [17:40:53] <FinalX> ah was that the reason.. lol
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2151 [17:43:22] <colo-work> mysql isn't the only offender in that regard. but some daemons at least have the decency to off themselves in case of... troubled times.
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2153 [17:43:40] <colo-work> (dovecot, for instance)
2154 [17:43:53] <jelly> dpkg, qotd304 is <reply><petn-randall> . o O ( Why is mysqld now using 100% CPU? ) <jelly> because your query-fu is weak? <colo-work> because mysql's optimizer-fu is weak? <greycat> because your CPU is puny? <abrotman> Because MySQL .. <colo-work> because infinite loops take some time to complete?
2155 [17:43:55] <dpkg> jelly: okay
2156 [17:44:52] <jelly> sometimes things are funnier without full context
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2158 [17:44:56] <petn-randall> Hahahaha
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2172 [17:52:06] <Bustin> Hello, is there a way to customize what packages are installed using the minimal iso for debian 9? I mean, I do not want all the libreoffice stuff downloaded and installed (i know you can simply remove after the fact), but I prefer to customize what I want prior to the actual install. Thanks.
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2176 [17:54:02] <n4dir> Bustin: deselect "desktop environment" during tasksel, rather at the end of the installation process.
2177 [17:54:05] <petn-randall> Bustin: Sure, just do a minimal install, then install only the packages you want.
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2180 [17:55:08] <Bustin> Ah, that makes sense, but without installing a DE, I can't for the life of me figure out how to get my wireless network interface working (so I can install which packages I want)
2181 [17:55:32] <n4dir> using wired is not an option for that purpose?
2182 [17:55:53] <Bustin> The install iso works with wifi, but after the install process is complete, if I do not install a DE, Wireless does not function and I can't seem to connect to it.
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2184 [17:56:14] <Bustin> It is not an option currently, no.
2185 [17:56:27] <n4dir> weird, but it's the way it is.
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2191 [17:58:31] <Bustin> n4dir: so netinstall ISO, wired, de-select desktop environment and go from there you reckon?
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2193 [17:59:14] <n4dir> i got no idea how to setup wireless then. Else yes, that should be the starting point.
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2195 [17:59:57] <n4dir> there sure is a way. just wait. someone will tell you.
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2214 [18:09:36] <jhutchins_wk> Wireless can be managed by nmcli or in /etc/network/interfaces
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2229 [18:18:31] <Na_Klar> I run an older server with debian squeeze. I never updated because 'never change a running system'. Ofc the support for squeeze is obsolte and the repositories are deactive. For reasons I need now to encode h264 movie files. my ffmpeg version does not contain the encoder. Do I have another option like e.g. using some binaries? I feel like compiling a newer version of ffmpeg or avconv will be a pain in the ass due to dependencies ...
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2232 [18:19:00] <fryguy> could build/run in a containerized environment
2233 [18:19:23] <Na_Klar> you mean me?
2234 [18:19:39] <BCMM> Na_Klar: so this system runs 24/7, or what?
2235 [18:19:45] <Na_Klar> right
2236 [18:20:13] <BCMM> i reckon you need to accept some downtime every 2 years or so, for security reasons
2237 [18:20:29] <Na_Klar> so you mean compiling is the way to go?
2238 [18:20:38] <BCMM> but if this really needs to keep running, and you really need to run modern software on it, i guess you could have a chroot with modern debian on it
2239 [18:21:26] <Na_Klar> ofc the server is rebooted now and then. I'm just worried to distrub the otherwise perfect environment when compiling stuff.
2240 [18:21:49] <petn-randall> Na_Klar: "never change a runningn system" does *not* apply to security updates. If you handle it like that, other people will "change" the system for you.
2241 [18:22:16] <petn-randall> !squeeze
2242 [18:22:16] <dpkg> Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06: replaced-url
2243 [18:22:25] <petn-randall> !squeeze-lts
2244 [18:22:25] <dpkg> Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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2246 [18:22:31] <Na_Klar> petn-randall, the updates where made as long as squeeze was supported. but there was no upgrade
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2248 [18:22:51] <petn-randall> Na_Klar: squeeze LTS has been out of support for 2.5 years now. We recommend upgrading.
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2251 [18:24:11] <Na_Klar> I know you would support. And I will get the machine out of the server house and refurnish it from scratch. But for now I'd need a quick solution. My other option is to simply go with webm instead of mp4. But my boss will hate me.
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2253 [18:24:36] <Na_Klar> s/would support/would recommend to upgrade/
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2255 [18:24:55] <n4dir> as BCMM said: you probably want a chroot then, perhaps via debootstrap as a quick solution to get it.
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2257 [18:25:08] <petn-randall> Na_Klar: You can probably download the binaries from upstream, but we have no control over those, and neither do we recommend doing that.
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2259 [18:25:55] <digin4> Hello, does unattended-upgrades automatically upgrade packages or just tells you there are pending upgrades?
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2261 [18:26:09] <Na_Klar> n4dir: petn-randall: okay, I will look after these two options. thank you for that. If you have something to read, I appreciate. Otherwise I'll surely find what I need. thx.
2262 [18:26:21] <petn-randall> digin4: Depends on how you answered the debconf questions. It can do both (and much more).
2263 [18:26:47] <n4dir> the bot doesn't like me, Na_Klar . Type this in your IRC text bar: /msg dpkg chroot
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2265 [18:26:58] <n4dir> and/or the same for debootstrap
2266 [18:27:05] <Na_Klar> n4dir: ty
2267 [18:27:12] <petn-randall> Na_Klar: replaced-url
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2269 [18:27:32] <digin4> petn-randall, it came preinstalled on raspbian, and i followed instructions here: replaced-url
2270 [18:27:34] <n4dir> wiki.debian.org is not perfect for debootstrap, but might be for your case it will suffice, Na_Klar
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2272 [18:28:00] <petn-randall> !raspbian
2273 [18:28:01] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
2274 [18:28:03] <petn-randall> digin4: ^^^
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2276 [18:28:22] <n4dir> it's rather straight forward, even if it might look a bit confusing you look at it the first time. Good luck, Na_Klar
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2279 [18:28:34] <digin4> ok thanks
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2294 [18:34:35] <NetTerminalGene> microsoft bought debian
2295 [18:35:02] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: Wrong channel? It's not true, btw.
2296 [18:35:16] <SpeedyG> fake news
2297 [18:35:17] <SpeedyG> :)
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2299 [18:35:31] <BCMM> it's not so much "not true" as "that isn't even how it works"
2300 [18:35:31] <EdePopede> #alternativetruth
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2302 [18:36:29] <EdePopede> would be a bad deal anyway. next day there would be a fork and azure would mostly be the only place where it would run
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2305 [18:37:49] <BCMM> n4dir: imho the wiki is better for creating chroots with debootstrap. the debian manual has a good section on actually installing debian with it replaced-url
2306 [18:38:01] <tmm88> but there was a recent acquisition of a corporate company investing in a linux distro i gues
2307 [18:38:04] <tmm88> i guess
2308 [18:38:21] <tmm88> ibm, which bought red hat for 30 billion
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2310 [18:38:50] <tmm88> that is true i can tell and shows up in both red hat and ibm page
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2314 [18:39:17] <n4dir> BCMM: yes, but i think that does too much for what he wants (he doesn't want to install and boot later, only chroot). But sure, that is better.
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2316 [18:39:47] <tmm88> n4dir: ?
2317 [18:39:52] <n4dir> you probably said the same i *tried to say. Bit tired ...
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2319 [18:40:30] <tmm88> anyway there was always corporate investment into linux distros
2320 [18:40:30] <n4dir> tmm88: if all you want is a chroot you don't have to install a kernel and what not after creating a chroot (say with debootstrap). I think you do deboostrap, then chroot, and thats it.
2321 [18:40:36] <mason> The fake news that I heard recently was that Debian was reconsidering systemd, but it was a fleeting hope.
2322 [18:41:02] <tmm88> mason: ahahahhahah
2323 [18:41:23] <EdePopede> tmm88: redhat has been a company from the beginning. and on the other hand, investing into a distro doesn't necessarily means buying it.
2324 [18:41:50] <jhutchins_wk> Microsoft has released a $20 Debian-based distribution called WLinux specifically for running on WSL.
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2326 [18:41:59] <jhutchins_wk> replaced-url
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2328 [18:42:08] <tmm88> yes and mandrake has been a commercial product i think
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2337 [18:43:28] <tmm88> anyway if you are making some kind of jokes on the fact that i am currently running a windows system, please acknowledge that i am in a public computer
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2339 [18:43:37] <jhutchins_wk> tmm88: Mandrake has been gone for years. Currently the succesor project is called Manjaro, and is ranked #1 on distrowatch.com.
2340 [18:44:13] <tmm88> jhutchins_wk: is the package manager better then antergos?
2341 [18:44:40] <jhutchins_wk> I dropped it when it was still manrake. Lousy server support.
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2343 [18:45:03] <jhutchins_wk> Poor quality control, they released packages that would not run as installed.
2344 [18:45:21] <tmm88> jhutchins_wk: ok
2345 [18:45:28] <tmm88> i was wathing distrowatch
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2347 [18:46:03] <tmm88> it looks like manjaro is rating significantly higher then antergos
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2349 [18:46:18] <tmm88> is the package manager any better then the one offered by antergos
2350 [18:46:58] <greycat> Discussions of non-Debian Linux-based systems belongs in ##linux.
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2353 [18:47:19] <annadane> not sure what you mean by rating but i know the metric they use to rank popularity is page views, not necessarily who has the distro installed
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2356 [18:48:32] <jelly> tmm88: if you're asking about Debian's package manager, there's a real possibility noone here knows how antergos' one works. I haven't heard of antergos at all until you mentioned it.
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2358 [18:48:48] <tmm88> jelly: my apologies
2359 [18:48:59] <annadane> it should just use pacman, it's an arch based distro
2360 [18:49:05] <tmm88> i will move discussion towards linux channel
2361 [18:49:09] <tmm88> that sounds more fair
2362 [18:50:04] <tmm88> anyway in regarding to debian package manager i tried the latest version of debian 9 and at least i am not being asked for installing independent libraries manually
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2364 [18:50:12] <tmm88> which is far of a much better great deal
2365 [18:50:27] <annadane> !better
2366 [18:50:27] <dpkg> hmm... better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better".
2367 [18:50:40] <tmm88> annadane: brilliant
2368 [18:51:21] <tmm88> relativism/personal views/individualism that's something i like for myself
2369 [18:51:33] <jhutchins_wk> How do you get xfce's screensaver to NOT request login when you re-activate the desktop?
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2373 [18:52:37] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: step 1) get rid of lightlocker and install xscreensaver?
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2386 [18:58:27] <jhutchins_wk> Nope, xscreensaver.
2387 [18:58:36] <jhutchins_wk> I think...
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2393 [19:01:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> so I upgraded my debian servers,
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2395 [19:01:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> now all of them have over 700 processes running on it.
2396 [19:01:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> what is with the bloat peeps
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2399 [19:02:42] <cmm11> your servers, you tell us
2400 [19:02:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> no idea..
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2403 [19:04:05] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: fire up "xscreensaver-command -prefs" and configure it, I guess
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2413 [19:09:18] <EdePopede> sdate(1) isn't localized at all?
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2417 [19:10:27] <greycat> Description-en: never ending September date sdate wraps the libc localtime() and gmtime() functions to output the eternal september 1993 date.
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2422 [19:12:05] <EdePopede> oh. it is. only had to get the "de_DE.UTF8" right
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2424 [19:14:00] <EdePopede> but the time is still between month and year, hm
2425 [19:15:47] <greycat> wooledg:~$ sdate date "+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S"
2426 [19:15:47] <greycat> 1993-09-9205 13:15:39
2427 [19:15:57] <greycat> Just use whatever time format you want.
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2430 [19:16:29] <EdePopede> oh. the obvious solution. of course. *facepalm*
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2501 [19:44:27] <galex-713> So
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2504 [19:44:38] <galex-713> No idea about why my computer might not have sound anymore?
2505 [19:44:43] <galex-713> Or if I can be sure it’s hardware?
2506 [19:45:00] <greycat> "Any more" implies that it did. What did you change?
2507 [19:45:02] <galex-713> Is there a reliable place on the internet to ask about hardware problems (preferably not through a web browser)?
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2509 [19:45:05] <jelly> galex-713: you tried the older kernel?
2510 [19:45:32] * greycat goes out on a limb and guesses "I upgraded in testing or unstable".
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2512 [19:45:45] <galex-713> greycat: I don’t know, it shut down because of battery discharge (I believe), when switched on again the next day, after a while (a day) I noticed it didn’t make sound anyhow
2513 [19:45:48] <galex-713> jelly: yes
2514 [19:45:52] <galex-713> jelly: look:
2515 [19:46:08] <jelly> a three headed monkey!
2516 [19:46:10] <galex-713> 14:29 <galex-713> Re
2517 [19:46:10] <galex-713> 14:29 <galex-713> so
2518 [19:46:11] <galex-713> 14:29 <galex-713> I did all of it
2519 [19:46:11] <galex-713> 14:30 <galex-713> tried the older (also oldest) kernel, tried upgrade (no new kernel), tried removing battery/charger
2520 [19:46:11] <galex-713> 14:30 <galex-713> nothing did
2521 [19:46:11] <galex-713> 14:30 <galex-713> so then it’s hardware right?
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2524 [19:46:24] <galex-713> sorry
2525 [19:46:41] <galex-713> jelly: look at 14:29
2526 [19:46:41] <greycat> Start with the basics. What release of Debian?
2527 [19:46:46] <galex-713> stable
2528 [19:47:10] <jelly> galex-713: it still does not have to be hardware. Boot some other live cd of linux or different OS, see if it works there
2529 [19:47:14] <galex-713> pulseaudio is on, alsamixer says everything is on and max, aplay plays nothing…
2530 [19:47:26] <galex-713> jelly: oh right… I need to find one then
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2532 [19:48:07] <galex-713> jelly: I’d try out triskel to see
2533 [19:48:08] <vadmeste> aOCOCn
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2535 [19:48:40] <galex-713> aOCOCn?
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2537 [19:48:49] <velix> Doesn't Debian have Spawning (WSGI server for Python)?
2538 [19:49:07] <greycat> ,v uwsgi
2539 [19:49:08] <judd> Package: uwsgi on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.3+dfsg-5+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.2.3+dfsg-5+deb7u2; jessie: 2.0.7-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.0.7-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.0.14+20161117-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 2.0.14+20161117-3+deb9u2; buster: 2.0.17.1-8+b1; sid: 2.0.17.1-8+b1
2540 [19:49:17] <greycat> It has that, but you might just want to use upstream's instead.
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2542 [19:49:32] <jelly> velix: does "apt-cache search wsgi python" show it?
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2545 [19:50:03] <galex-713> mmmh, my triskel is 64bits… I need to download 32 bits…
2546 [19:50:03] <velix> jelly: no :(
2547 [19:50:09] <galex-713> then I’ll maybe go for debian…
2548 [19:50:19] <velix> jelly: maybe I should use gunicorn or try waitress instead.
2549 [19:50:24] <galex-713> jelly: do you think debian stable mate live image is okay?
2550 [19:50:30] <jelly> galex-713: point is to pick a slightly DIFFERENT distro
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2552 [19:50:36] <galex-713> ah ok
2553 [19:50:39] <jelly> not the same one just live
2554 [19:50:41] <galex-713> then triskel
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2556 [19:50:44] <galex-713> ohhhh
2557 [19:50:45] <galex-713> waitt
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2559 [19:50:48] <galex-713> I just recalled
2560 [19:51:01] <galex-713> jelly: I can’t boot on a live system with graphics
2561 [19:51:08] <galex-713> I’ll need wo/ xorg
2562 [19:51:22] <galex-713> otherwise it freezes
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2564 [19:51:57] <galex-713> (this one is probably unrelated to debian though, I heard it must be related to my old version of libreboot installed)
2565 [19:52:13] <Na_Klar> n4dir: petn-randall: thanks for the help. finding a binary for a newer version of ffmpeg does the job for now with the least effort. evil though ...
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2572 [19:53:36] <galex-713> jelly: do you have an idea of where to find a non-debian non-xorg live system?
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2581 [19:56:18] <GNU\colossus> fedora?
2582 [19:57:07] <jelly> galex-713: uh, distrowatch ?
2583 [19:57:17] <jelly> (that means "no")
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2586 [19:58:31] <galex-713> (jelly: yeah got it ^^ but thank you for honesty :))
2587 [19:58:39] <galex-713> GNU\colossus: something free?
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2589 [19:58:51] <galex-713> There was BLAG, based on fedora, but not maintained anyore
2590 [19:58:52] <galex-713> *anymore
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2593 [19:59:26] <GNU\colossus> fedora is free - as in both libre and available at no cost
2594 [19:59:52] <jelly> galex-713: most current GPUs require loading firmware inside OS to work so you're going to have a hard time finding a free software live that works
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2596 [20:00:20] <jelly> also, most have some way to keep running in text mode
2597 [20:01:01] <saint_> I installed debian on an old iMac. Everything works fine until the screen goes in screen saver mode. When it wakes up, it looks like the video card took a hit and everything is pink. It won't do it as long as I prevent it to go in screen saver mode. Any hint ?
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2599 [20:01:48] <Kobaz> replaced-url
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2606 [20:04:56] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: It's an upgrade (jessie->stretch), so it should have retained the previous configuration, and the checkbox for "lock screen" on Display Settings is not checked.
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2616 [20:07:40] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: can you confirm no other locker is running
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2625 [20:09:57] <cstk421> i know this is a dumb question but how do i troubleshoot smtp on a server that doesnt use sendmail, postfix or anything else im familiar with ?
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2627 [20:10:13] <cstk421> its only sending emails on certain events but not all
2628 [20:10:24] <jelly> cstk421: what is sending emails?
2629 [20:10:47] <cstk421> its a fax server and the description of options to configure is smtp|sendmail|mail|qmail and "smtp" is the default one
2630 [20:11:04] <jelly> cstk421: which tool/app/service? How does it send them? Connect to some server port 587 ot 25? Calling /usr/sbin/sendmail?
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2633 [20:11:46] <greycat> You say you've ruled out sendmail and postfix, but you did not mention exim yet. Is it running exim?
2634 [20:11:53] <jelly> cstk421: smtp probably means there's a config option to choose the smarthost / relayhost to send mail to.
2635 [20:11:56] <cstk421> i didnt check exim
2636 [20:12:06] <cstk421> jelly: the service is spandsp i believe
2637 [20:12:08] <greycat> Those three are by far the most common on Debian systems.
2638 [20:12:11] <jelly> cstk421: read the documentation for said service.
2639 [20:12:33] <cstk421> jelly: its lacking and the dev is busy which is why im looking elsewhere been dealing with it for over a week
2640 [20:13:15] <jelly> then find where and how it stores config, and sniff traffic while forcing it to send a message
2641 [20:13:23] <cstk421> i cant telnet to it gives me a connection refused
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2643 [20:13:34] <jelly> cstk421: can't telnet to what?
2644 [20:13:42] <cstk421> to the localhost from within the server
2645 [20:13:46] <cstk421> to see what responds
2646 [20:13:47] <greycat> What port?
2647 [20:13:48] <jelly> to which port?
2648 [20:13:49] <cstk421> 25
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2650 [20:14:04] <jelly> cstk421: why do you think it uses "localhost" as relayhost?
2651 [20:14:12] <greycat> Then it sounds like you won't be receiving any mail from other systems.
2652 [20:14:39] <cstk421> jelly: i assumed if i tried to telnet to itself it would respond telling me what type of client its using.
2653 [20:14:44] <cstk421> greycat: it just sends doesnt receive
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2655 [20:15:12] <jelly> cstk421: find the configuration for that service and look what else mail-sending-related is there
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2657 [20:16:26] <jelly> cstk421: also, for a message that was sent successfully, you can inspect its headers (Received) and figure out whether it has passed through a local MTA on this very system, or not
2658 [20:16:39] <cstk421> it is using a gmail account to relay
2659 [20:16:42] <cstk421> i know that much
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2661 [20:17:09] <jelly> cstk421: the service might be configured to send to gmail directly, bypassing any and all local services related to mail
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2663 [20:17:26] <jelly> read the headers.
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2665 [20:18:08] <cstk421> here is the log replaced-url
2666 [20:18:10] <jelly> it's a bit out of scope for me to explain how to read and analyze smtp message headers
2667 [20:18:11] <cstk421> if that makes sense
2668 [20:18:16] <cstk421> no i understand
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2672 [20:19:19] <greycat> The main thing you need to know about email headers is that each new hop along the way adds its lines to the top of the message. So you start at the bottom of the headers (the blank line before the body) and work your way up.
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2674 [20:19:25] <jelly> cstk421: are those logs of the service in question?
2675 [20:19:35] <cstk421> guess i could always change it to postifx or sendmail which i know how to use
2676 [20:19:39] <cstk421> jelly: yessir
2677 [20:19:42] <jelly> cstk421: if so, it looks like it connects to gmail on its own.
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2679 [20:20:00] <cstk421> so it may be on the gmail relay side huh
2680 [20:20:22] <jelly> cstk421: did you check the spam folder
2681 [20:20:34] <cstk421> i did
2682 [20:20:40] <cstk421> its not even in the sent mail folder
2683 [20:20:48] <cstk421> so i know it wasnt sent out
2684 [20:20:53] <jelly> it would not be in Sent.
2685 [20:21:03] <jelly> and that does not mean that.
2686 [20:21:37] <jelly> a typical client stores mail to a "Sent" folder as a separate action.
2687 [20:22:21] <cstk421> but when i look in the sent folder i see the email notification that the fax was successful or failed. It just never sends the email with the inbound fax that was received.
2688 [20:22:48] <jelly> cstk421: without authenticating, and using the _exact_ envelope and body sender address allowed by gmail, you won't be able to use them to send mail.
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2690 [20:23:13] <jelly> it is unclear from the logs whether any authentication takes place
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2695 [20:25:04] <cstk421> im gonna try a different gmail account and new app password and see if it changes the behavior
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2697 [20:25:41] <jelly> it would be nice if gmail allowed you to see smtp logs from their side. But they don't.
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2701 [20:26:44] <jelly> and you munged the addresses from the logs so it's hard to say whether they're actually hosted on gmail or not
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2705 [20:27:18] <jelly> and the logs show only one side of the smtp protocol. which is highly unusual
2706 [20:27:25] <cstk421> think i found it
2707 [20:27:25] <cstk421> X-Mailer: PHPMailer
2708 [20:27:33] <cstk421> ver 5.2.2
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2710 [20:28:26] <FinalX> if I were you I'd upgrade that as soon as you find where it's installed
2711 [20:28:34] <jelly> cstk421: that means very little except "part of this service is written in php and uses a well known library"
2712 [20:28:55] <cstk421> jelly: well its a start to find out how its configured no ?
2713 [20:28:58] <cstk421> FinalX: why is that /
2714 [20:29:01] <cstk421> >?
2715 [20:29:06] <jelly> if you're unlucky, the whole of that thing might be written in php
2716 [20:29:07] <karlpinc> IIRC PHPMailer talks SMTP directly.
2717 [20:29:08] * jelly hides
2718 [20:29:41] <jelly> I'm prejudiced.
2719 [20:29:54] <FinalX> cstk421: PHPMailer is extremely vulnerable on every version below 5.2.22, and in 5.2.23 it got yet another security fix. 6.x is out now..
2720 [20:30:03] <FinalX> And it is used to spam half the internet to hell and back.
2721 [20:30:09] <karlpinc> jelly: But not without reason.
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2723 [20:30:17] <cstk421> FinalX: well then thanks good to know ill get on that asap
2724 [20:30:17] <greycat> It's not prejudice. It's knowledge.
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2728 [20:30:37] <FinalX> for more info, replaced-url
2729 [20:30:52] <cstk421> guess i should just switch to sendmail
2730 [20:30:53] <karlpinc> greycat: With me it must be prejudice because there must be something that PHP is good for, yet I never want to use it. :)
2731 [20:30:59] <FinalX> second page has 5.2.x releases if you don't wanna go overboard with the upgrade
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2735 [20:31:51] <greycat> cstk421: from the sound of it, this web application bypasses the local MTA entirely and just spams someone directly, so it might not matter
2736 [20:31:53] <karlpinc> cstk421: I tend to use the local box's MTA, whatever that is. Sendmail is a bit wonky to work with. I like postfix. YMMV.
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2738 [20:32:33] <cstk421> greycat: the message headers show its being sent from "localhost" ? Not sure what you mean by MTA sorry
2739 [20:32:42] <greycat> Dear gods....
2740 [20:32:46] <greycat> !mta
2741 [20:32:47] <dpkg> A Message/Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) is a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/sbin/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask me about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. replaced-url
2742 [20:33:38] <FinalX> PHPMailer has full integrated SMTP support and doesn't require anything else to send mail. But it can also be configured to use any other kind you want.
2743 [20:33:49] <cstk421> understood got it
2744 [20:33:51] <FinalX> Which is what makes it so damn prone to spam-sending..
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2747 [20:34:55] <cstk421> well this answers my question
2748 [20:34:56] <cstk421> Instead FusionPBX uses a PHP script that acts as an SMTP client and connects to the SMTP server using the account and password specified by the system and/or extension administrator. As a result, there are no queues or logs where message sent or failed can be viewed
2749 [20:35:03] <cstk421> hence no logs
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2751 [20:35:35] <galex-713> re
2752 [20:35:39] <galex-713> my computer froze, sorry
2753 [20:35:50] <galex-713> re jelly and greycat
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2756 [20:36:31] <galex-713> I’m downloading some live systems (namely trisquel 32bits (which shouldn’t work normally, but I’ll try as I only tried debian), parabola cli, and guix)
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2794 [20:55:32] <LostSoul> Hi
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2810 [21:04:00] <Akuw> hi, i need to install wifi firmware to my laptop, Broancom Limited BCM43228
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2812 [21:04:23] <Akuw> but i don't have ethernet network so i have to download from another computer
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2814 [21:04:50] <greycat> !listkeys 4322
2815 [21:04:51] <dpkg> Factoid search of '4322' by key (8): bcm43225 ;; bcm43228 ;; bcm43224 ;; 43225 ;; bcm43227 ;; 4322 ;; 43224 ;; bcm4322.
2816 [21:04:56] <greycat> !bcm43228
2817 [21:04:57] <dpkg> The Broadcom BCM43228 (PCI ID 14e4:4359) is an 802.11a/n PCIe wireless LAN chip, found in the Dell Latitude E5520m. Not supported by the <b43> driver. Supported by the vendor driver since version 5.100.82.38 (Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later), ask me about <wl>.
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2819 [21:06:12] <Akuw> i am using debian 9
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2821 [21:06:42] <greycat> !wl
2822 [21:06:43] <dpkg> Broadcom's proprietary wireless LAN driver (wl, aka broadcom-sta) supports devices based on the Broadcom BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4313, BCM4321, BCM4322, BCM43224, BCM43225, BCM43227, BCM43228, BCM43142, BCM4331, BCM4352 and BCM4360 chips. To install (amd64 and i386 only), see replaced-url
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2827 [21:08:15] <Akuw> need .deb package
2828 [21:08:24] <Akuw> i cant use apt-get
2829 [21:08:26] <greycat> What did the wiki page say to do?
2830 [21:09:23] <Zta> Hi. I'd like my Debian to look like Ubuntu. I mean purely UI-wise. I can install the background image in my gnome desktop myself =) My I'm rather new to Gnome, so what is it I need? Icon pack? Theme? Some gnome shell extensions?
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2832 [21:09:28] <greycat> And, you *can* use apt-get. It has a perfectly lovely --print-uris option.
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2834 [21:10:13] <Akuw> how can i use apt-get ? if my wifi is not configured
2835 [21:10:31] <greycat> man apt-get; look at the --print-uris option.
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2838 [21:10:48] <mason> Akuw: Here you go: replaced-url
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2842 [21:11:32] <mason> Akuw: Wrong one, half a sec.
2843 [21:11:38] <Akuw> ok
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2846 [21:14:28] <mason> Akuw: Apologies - evidently the Unity8 project isn't what I thought it was, and otherwise Unity for Debian seems stalled for years: replaced-url
2847 [21:14:55] <mason> Maybe someone else will have more useful advice.
2848 [21:15:34] <Akuw> what is AyatanaPackages
2849 [21:16:23] <Akuw> and what file i have to download ?
2850 [21:16:59] <mason> Akuw: Unity on Debian, and there doesn't appear to be anything to download that I can see.
2851 [21:17:03] <greycat> My useful advice would be to plug an ethernet able into the ethernet jack, get Debian installed that way, add the non-free sources and update to get their lists, download the crazy wl driver, and so on. When you think it's installed and ready, then remove the ethernet cable.
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2855 [21:18:21] <greycat> If nothing else, the fact that this thing has a chipset that wants a wl driver probably means it's a laptop, and if you're installing Debian on a laptop, you really really REALLY want to be using the non-free netinst image.
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2858 [21:19:31] <galex-713> re jelly and greycat
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2861 [21:20:12] <galex-713> sorry (again), computer did shut down (heat, because it seems openvpn takes a lot of cpu load when bittorrent downloads a lot (and it seems some distros have pretty good webseeds))
2862 [21:20:20] <Akuw> actually i dont have a utp cable
2863 [21:20:38] <Akuw> i can only download from another computer
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2865 [21:21:38] <greycat> Then get a working non-free + contrib + main source list onto the machine by hook, crook or brute force so that you can use apt-get --print-uris to print the URIs of the things that it wants you to download.
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2896 [21:34:09] <kexec> hello, when i want to mount a partition as readonly, is it sufficient to use only "-o ro" or i should also include "default"?
2897 [21:34:31] <galex-713> what is default?
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2900 [21:35:12] <galex-713> usually when I want to do that I only do mount -o ro /dev/something /media/dir yes (or rather “-r” instead of “-o ro”, which is a short form for it)
2901 [21:35:19] <greycat> He might be confusing the word "default" which is used in /etc/fstab with some kind of command-line option given to mount.
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2903 [21:35:28] <greycat> err, "defaults" is ... never mind
2904 [21:35:57] <kexec> yea its "defaults"
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2909 [21:36:12] <greycat> The mount command tries to mount read-write unless you use -r, or -o ro, or some other equivalent.
2910 [21:36:54] <greycat> The specific syntax of fstab is not used in the mount command.
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2946 [21:53:42] <bane500> What's the fastest way to move data between two mounted file systems while preserving attributes/permissions
2947 [21:53:56] <greycat> rsync
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2974 [22:07:24] <Cerebr0> Hi there ! I'm setting up a vsftpd server on my laptop, everything's fine, except I can't upload from local nor remote :-/ Got error 553 Could not create file
2975 [22:07:31] <Cerebr0> Anyone ever had this ?
2976 [22:08:12] <greycat> make sure you turn on write_enable=YES in the config file
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2983 [22:10:20] <Akuw> this fixed my problem replaced-url
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2986 [22:10:49] <greycat> Without wl? Then the bot's factoid is out of date for your chipset.
2987 [22:11:02] <Akuw> heheheh
2988 [22:11:08] <Akuw> i am browsing
2989 [22:11:12] <Cerebr0> @greycat already did this
2990 [22:11:27] <greycat> Then look for logs.
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2994 [22:12:11] <Cerebr0> I just got a 22:11 < Cerebr0> @greycat already did this
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2996 [22:12:19] <tomreyn> Cerebr0: replaced-url
2997 [22:12:21] <Cerebr0> woops
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3001 [22:13:01] <Akuw> anyway thanks
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3194 [23:10:44] <maxrazer> Oh, when did Firefox get upgrade to the latest ESR in stable?
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3197 [23:11:08] <greycat> You mean, when did firefox-esr go from 52.x to 60.x? A couple months ago. Read the changelog.
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3199 [23:11:22] <TyrfingMjolnir> When is debian 10 aimed at release?
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3201 [23:11:32] <greycat> !buster
3202 [23:11:32] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. replaced-url
3203 [23:11:38] <greycat> Hmm, damn...
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3205 [23:11:47] <greycat> !Buster freeze
3206 [23:11:47] <dpkg> Buster will start the freeze process on 2019-01-12 see replaced-url
3207 [23:11:53] <TyrfingMjolnir> Is it in less than a year?
3208 [23:11:58] <greycat> Probably.
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3211 [23:12:27] <TyrfingMjolnir> And is it a bad choice to install debian 10 now? If I only need sshd and iptables?
3212 [23:12:32] <n4dir> if history is not completely wrong, then the middle of 2019 doesn't sound that unlikely to me.
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3216 [23:13:04] <greycat> The first 60.x stretch firefox-esr entry I see in the changelog is 60.2.0esr-1~deb9u1 on 06 Sep 2018
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3218 [23:13:44] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I see if the machine I use is 32 bit or 64?
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3220 [23:13:58] <greycat> get the CPU model from cat /proc/cpuinfo and then google it
3221 [23:14:00] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir, bad choice? It depends on how experienced you are with debian, and in particular the testing and unstable branches and the kinds of issues that can arise during different parts of the release cycle
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3223 [23:14:21] <linuxthefish> hey, for an open wireless network in the interfaces file do I just need "wpa-ssid wireless network name" ?
3224 [23:14:33] <linuxthefish> or should I put the network name in quotation for spaces
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3227 [23:14:51] <linuxthefish> and should wpa-psk be blank or not included?
3228 [23:14:58] <TyrfingMjolnir> dtes64 It's a 2.8GHz xeon
3229 [23:15:01] <TyrfingMjolnir> must be 64
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3232 [23:15:52] <TyrfingMjolnir> linuxthefish: Are you sure the ssid can have spaces?
3233 [23:16:06] <jelly> !lm
3234 [23:16:06] <dpkg> from memory, lm is "long mode" (replaced-url
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3236 [23:16:37] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir, there are both 32bit only and 64bit capable xeon models.
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3243 [23:17:37] <TyrfingMjolnir> lm is a flag in /proc/cpuinfo
3244 [23:18:03] <jelly> its existence says the cpu supports 64bit
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3247 [23:18:34] <TyrfingMjolnir> When I do cat /proc/cpuinfo it does not say the cpu name
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3252 [23:19:26] <greycat> What *does* it say?
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3272 [23:21:10] <linuxthefish> argh why is wireless on linux so shit
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3274 [23:21:26] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir, grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo | head -n1 says what?
3275 [23:21:39] <greycat> Because vendors have secrets they don't want to reveal by publishing the information that would be required to write free drivers and firmware.
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3281 [23:21:58] <n4dir> i for one install 32 anyway, no matter what the machine is. I probably miss the best show ...
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3284 [23:22:23] <greycat> Also because in many cases publishing information about their products would let people do things that would attract the attention of government agencies.
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3288 [23:22:44] <linuxthefish> greycat the drivers work fine and I can scan for networks, it just refuses to connect to an open network
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3295 [23:23:27] <linuxthefish> all the documentation is for stuff like wpa2 and WEP, but I'm not using network manager or anything fancy I just want to configure it in the interfaces file :(
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3297 [23:23:48] <greycat> replaced-url
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3300 [23:24:57] <TyrfingMjolnir> jelly: model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz
3301 [23:25:14] <jelly> heh
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3303 [23:26:02] <jelly> use x86info then
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3305 [23:26:32] <jelly> or look up the family / model stepping tuple
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3307 [23:26:50] <jelly> er. (family, model, stepping) tuple
3308 [23:26:57] <TyrfingMjolnir> It's now running lucid
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3310 [23:27:08] <TyrfingMjolnir> I will install debian 9.6 and install lshw
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3312 [23:27:42] <jelly> it's probably a P4 era xeon
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3314 [23:28:17] <jelly> the cpu supports 64bit but the bios might not, if you're unlucky
3315 [23:28:30] <TyrfingMjolnir> Oh
3316 [23:28:34] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I check this?
3317 [23:28:51] <jelly> try booting a 64bit iso
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3320 [23:29:11] <TyrfingMjolnir> IBM xSeries 336
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3322 [23:29:29] <jelly> also, those things eat a lot of electricity compared to the performance
3323 [23:29:53] <TyrfingMjolnir> This one? replaced-url
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3325 [23:30:11] <TyrfingMjolnir> It's to NAT 100mbit
3326 [23:30:30] <jelly> a P4-era intel cpu (xeon or other P4)
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3332 [23:31:27] <linuxthefish> yeah I followed the instructions on the wiki with no luck, and I can see the network with iwlist scan...
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3334 [23:31:35] <linuxthefish> replaced-url
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3336 [23:31:53] <linuxthefish> or do I need a GUI just to use wifi...
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3338 [23:32:23] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir, just NAT? You'll save more on electricity if you get an old mips based router
3339 [23:32:30] <linuxthefish> and it does work when I connect with network manager in a GUI, just not on command line configured in the interfaces file
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3341 [23:32:48] <jelly> unless you have free electrical power in some miraculous way
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3344 [23:33:13] <abrotman> maybe an electric eel fish?
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3350 [23:34:00] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir, something like tl-wr841nd or similar
3351 [23:34:10] <TyrfingMjolnir> But it will not run debian
3352 [23:34:19] <TyrfingMjolnir> I prefer to login using ssh
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3354 [23:34:32] <SerajewelKS> firmwares like dd-wrt allow ssh login
3355 [23:34:44] <jelly> you don't need debian for NAT and routing, openwrt is just fine and has dropbear as ssh server.
3356 [23:34:52] <TyrfingMjolnir> It does not mount in the 19" rack
3357 [23:35:08] <SerajewelKS> get a bracket for it
3358 [23:35:10] <linuxthefish> tp-link has made it hard to install custom firmware because of stupid fcc rules
3359 [23:35:34] <jelly> not on models that old.
3360 [23:35:38] <TyrfingMjolnir> fcc? Some US corruption organ?
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3363 [23:36:19] <TyrfingMjolnir> Which hardware to buy to run ddwrt?
3364 [23:36:40] <watchcat> linuxthefish: tried using wicd in console? easy ncurses thing for setting up wifi without x.
3365 [23:36:48] <SerajewelKS> i mean hell, you could use raspbian on an rpi with a usb ethernet dongle
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3368 [23:37:01] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir, it's honestly not worth keeping a 100-200W P4 server powered on when a $25 plastic router can do the same thing
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3372 [23:37:37] <TyrfingMjolnir> jelly: Which hardware to buy?
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3374 [23:37:57] <TyrfingMjolnir> SerajewelKS: Loose parts like usb ethernet dongle not an option
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3377 [23:38:30] <SerajewelKS> TyrfingMjolnir: we are using an edgerouter x spf from ubiquiti and it's worked very well
3378 [23:38:34] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir, you'll have to investigate what's best on your own, I'm afraid. My suggestion was just a rough guess.
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3382 [23:38:59] <SerajewelKS> their own edgeos is very capable. not 100% open source, but it has built-in ssh and appears to be debian-derived.
3383 [23:38:59] <jelly> smallest mikrotik?
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3385 [23:39:19] <jelly> tiniest tp-link?
3386 [23:39:26] <daniel-s> In thunderbird I'm not getting the triangles to collapse-uncollapse my IMAP folders, nor the arrows in the menu when you right-click on an email. Am I the only one?
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3388 [23:39:34] <linuxthefish> is /etc/rc.local the best way to run commands on boot??
3389 [23:39:36] <TyrfingMjolnir> I bought some that run pfSense, but the HTML5 interface is incompatible with my brains
3390 [23:39:39] <daniel-s> I just got the new Thunderbird update recently.
3391 [23:39:50] <SerajewelKS> TyrfingMjolnir: the edgeos web interface is actually very usable
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3395 [23:40:12] <SerajewelKS> linuxthefish: depends on the command. i would consider a systemd service instead, then you can define when it runs exactly during boot.
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3397 [23:40:16] <jelly> don't trust a router without a CLI :->
3398 [23:40:30] <SerajewelKS> jelly: edgeos is debian-based and you can ssh to the router
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3407 [23:40:57] <linuxthefish> SerajewelKS I want to run the command "iwconfig wlan1 essid "The House FREE WiFi""
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3409 [23:41:05] <linuxthefish> on boot, it's a bit small for a service
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3411 [23:41:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> linuxthefish: No, wifi-menu?
3412 [23:41:29] <linuxthefish> or I want to make the interfaces file run that command automatically when the adapter is plugged in
3413 [23:41:34] <TyrfingMjolnir> I usually use Mac or arch on client side
3414 [23:41:35] <SerajewelKS> linuxthefish: (1) a Type=oneshot service is fine for that. (2) can't you set the ssid in /etc/network/interfaces?
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3416 [23:41:41] <linuxthefish> TyrfingMjolnir I'm not using a GUI
3417 [23:41:48] <TyrfingMjolnir> I have been running debian 2 - for servers
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3421 [23:42:06] <linuxthefish> SerajewelKS setting the SSID in the interfaces file doesn't work, and I can't use wpa-supplicant as it's an open network
3422 [23:42:12] <SerajewelKS> linuxthefish: the interfaces file *should* work in that scenario with allow-hotplug
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3425 [23:42:24] <SerajewelKS> linuxthefish: it may not work if you are missing the package that adds that functionality
3426 [23:42:40] <linuxthefish> it works with wpa2 just not open network
3427 [23:42:48] <SerajewelKS> linuxthefish: you could always use a post-up command
3428 [23:42:53] <SerajewelKS> post-up iwconfig ...
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3431 [23:43:27] <SerajewelKS> in any case, rc.local and systemd services would be the wrong solution for that
3432 [23:43:43] <linuxthefish> i'll try with a post-up line thanks
3433 [23:43:47] <TyrfingMjolnir> jelly: Like this one? replaced-url
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3439 [23:44:46] <TyrfingMjolnir> It says nothing about wrt
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3442 [23:45:15] <TyrfingMjolnir> Only 64MB ram though ...
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3447 [23:45:49] <linuxthefish> wireless is honestly the worst, but it's better than windows randomly changing my network card IP and disabling all protocols
3448 [23:46:17] <TyrfingMjolnir> MacOS X 10.10 up has started doing something weird with their routing tables as well
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3463 [23:50:17] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir, I was thinking more like that $40 hex lite thing, if you only need 100Mbps
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3470 [23:52:25] <jelly> and if you pick a mikrotik just use its default OS, but keep it patched up.
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3472 [23:54:10] <linuxthefish> argh fucking deban network, after rebooting I can't even SSH on the ethernet IP even though I didn't touch the eth0 config...
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