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45 [00:25:43] <Zta> I just checked the installer regarding root/sudo, and it's true that the installed allows one to choose between setting a root password or setting and empty root password, which will install sudo.
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86 [00:56:44] <aphorise> Trying to install debian - but not network interface is not detected - can anyone help? replaced-url
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113 [01:07:22] <frikinz> You could try a kernel from stretch-backports, it has 4.18 while stable is 4.9
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117 [01:09:52] <joepublic> What network adapter (make/model) are you having trouble with? Wired or wireless?
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139 [01:23:43] <aphorise> frikinz can I download an iso of that somewhere?
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142 [01:24:30] <aphorise> joepublic It says "Integrated Intel I219-LM" "I219-V" on replaced-url
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150 [01:26:50] <aphorise> Ther is also Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 9560 802.11ac
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153 [01:28:03] <frikinz> You won't find the kernel alone. For ISO you'd have to try debian testing which packages that kernel to give it a try at least.
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155 [01:28:58] <joepublic> Those adapters should be supported by the Linux kernel -- the question is whether they require nonfree firmware (I don't know the answer).
156 [01:29:34] <joepublic> If they do require nonfree firmware, you would have to use an unofficial install image that has the firmware added, rather than the official debian install image, which does not contain any nonfree software.
157 [01:31:25] <frikinz> Yes, could also be firmwares. --> replaced-url
158 [01:32:52] <themill> I'd be very surprised if it didn't need firmwar
159 [01:32:55] <themill> e
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162 [01:36:31] <aphorise> there is also replaced-url
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199 [02:05:05] <LovinLinux> Is anyone aware of software that can identify "fake FLACs" in batch?
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201 [02:05:30] <LovinLinux> I found spek and one other but both seem to do files one at a time
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203 [02:06:00] <c|oneman> is it possible to have apt show cpu usage or HDD usage during installs?
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207 [02:08:19] <phogg> c|oneman: what's wrong with using top and iotop?
208 [02:08:39] <c|oneman> I guess I have to use tmux or something like that to see them both at the same time?
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211 [02:12:29] <joepublic> alt-(function key) to see a different virtual terminal should do the trick during text install.
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213 [02:13:04] <joepublic> control-alt-(function key) for graphical install.
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218 [02:18:04] <ukine> either for textual.
219 [02:18:11] <ukine> as lately as i knew it.
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221 [02:18:31] <ukine> at least Ctrl+Alt
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232 [02:25:15] <qiffan> hi
233 [02:25:57] <qiffan> someone with time could help me seeting up my only change of going to the internet !!well i need to configure d-link 131 rev b
234 [02:26:11] <qiffan> dougle usb
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241 [02:29:43] <qiffan> PLEASE
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283 [02:56:16] <cluelessperson> question, it seems my network devices are changing their name every reboot, why?
284 [02:56:34] <cluelessperson> enp0s1 became enp1s1, then enp2s1
285 [02:57:00] <cluelessperson> I keep having to change and manually configure /etc/network/interfaces to bring it back up
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292 [03:01:43] <awal1> cluelessperson, read replaced-url
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314 [03:15:02] <aphorise> non-free drivers did not help me either :-( cant find any refernce on Intels site for Linux drivers either
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318 [03:17:33] <cluelessperson> awal1: yeah, but wtf is it changing names every reboot
319 [03:18:04] <awal1> cluelessperson, you have the answer if that link
320 [03:18:38] <awal1> if not happy ask Lennart and Redhat :P
321 [03:18:50] <awal1> or create something better :D
322 [03:19:19] <cluelessperson> awal1: the point of that is "Predictable", changing is not predictable
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324 [03:20:13] <awal1> in my sid, i still have constantly wlan0
325 [03:20:50] <flaarg> replaced-url
326 [03:21:01] <awal1> usb adapter named differently, part of mac adrss and a few letters more
327 [03:21:43] <awal1> cluelessperson, really the freedesktop article resume it all, why, how...
328 [03:21:55] <awal1> just read it closely
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331 [03:22:34] <joepublic> aphorise, that stinks. I wish I could help more but my HP laptop "just works" which limits my experience with correcting driver problems...
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340 [03:28:27] <GumShoe> I'm attempting to bring up wifi on a pine a64 running debian stretch using the pine wifi dongle. I believe I have a ipv6 dhcp address I want an ipv4 address. Suggestions?
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348 [03:34:16] <aphorise> Actually I think I may need: replaced-url
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352 [03:37:16] <szbce8qnfg> themill, I messed up
353 [03:37:26] <szbce8qnfg> I apolgiize, giveme a second chance?
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397 [04:06:26] <tmiw> any idea what happened here? replaced-url
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438 [04:36:36] <acidtripper> hi there, why debian is not including cfdisk, and many other core programs? in it's disk
439 [04:36:42] <acidtripper> i mean for chrooting
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442 [04:36:56] <acidtripper> or partitioning before setup
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446 [04:40:44] <abrotman> it's in the fdisk package
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450 [04:42:52] <Lando545> hello
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461 [05:01:38] <aphorise> I dont get it - in Sparky my nic works just fine and is listed properly under lspci as I219-LM yet not with Debian none-free firmware iso's :-(
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497 [05:34:25] <rant> wth is a sparky?
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500 [05:38:32] <aphorise> rant replaced-url
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509 [05:42:47] <rant> aphorise: do you have the pciid for this card? lspci -nn
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538 [06:14:11] <cxc99> if i put ProxyPassthrough .* in apt-cacher-ng, will that make it not cache http stuff?\
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540 [06:17:11] <Gigglebyte> Does anyone know how to pull up the qt4 configuration tool? I really need qt5, but qt4 will work, or at least that is one some think in the linux channel. The discussion came up when I complained about the fonts being too small in KeepassXC, a new program I installed to replace Keepass2 which no longer works.
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565 [06:48:15] <aphorise> rant I've got to boot back in live cd to check why?
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590 [07:11:50] <agris> hello
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592 [07:12:22] <agris> how do i specify an interface that will not be running IP in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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595 [07:13:03] <agris> /etc/init.d/network restart complains if no inet is specified
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598 [07:16:31] <agris> i tried setting 'auto ntrx inet manual' but it still sets an IPv6 Link-Local fe80: address
599 [07:16:53] <agris> I do not want any IP being set on this interface
600 [07:17:01] <agris> not even link-local
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617 [07:27:46] <htb> Hi all, I have a weird issue with my debian testing install. Every night a few minutes after midnight my desktop freezes (I am using awesome-wm). Xorg.0.log says things like "(II) event5 - Power Button: device removed", "(II) event7 - Video Bus: device removed", "(II) AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch" when it happens. Does anyone have any idea of how I could debug this further? Thanks.
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919 [10:21:00] <glaucom> hi all, i need install video editor, i choose lightworks but need lightworks depende de libjpeg8 (>= 8c); porém:
920 [10:21:08] <glaucom> how fix, debian 9 strech
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935 [10:30:30] <at0m> ,v libjpeg8
936 [10:30:31] <judd> Package: libjpeg8 on amd64 -- wheezy: 8d-1+deb7u1
937 [10:30:38] <at0m> ,v libjpeg9
938 [10:30:39] <judd> Package: libjpeg9 on amd64 -- sid: 1:9c-2
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940 [10:31:11] <at0m> ,v lightworks
941 [10:31:12] <judd> No package named 'lightworks' was found in amd64.
942 [10:31:27] <at0m> glaucom: where did you get that lightworks package?
943 [10:31:44] <at0m> glaucom: and what version of debian are you running?
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970 [10:37:27] <azamet> what is the room name for asking questions about deep web
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982 [10:43:14] <ukine> azamet, start at replaced-url
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999 [10:48:49] <gavit> what's the path in /proc to see if auto-negotiation is set and on full duplex?
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1007 [10:54:02] <frikinz> Not sure that is available in proc, that information is provided by the driver through an ioctl call
1008 [10:54:28] <frikinz> apt install net-tools; mii-tool eth0
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1013 [10:56:00] <frikinz> gavit: oh actually /sys/class/net/eth0/duplex
1014 [10:56:36] <gavit> @frikinz thanks, I've been trying to randomly cat several items in the wrong dir apparently
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1025 [10:58:38] <gavit> I have a sever connected to an old modem. THe server is 10gbit, the modem is 100mbit, the cable seems fine and so are both devices. however when connecting the devices I see no carrier.
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1033 [11:03:38] <frikinz> Maybe you need a crossover cable because one of the two DTE doesn't support auto mdix?
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1039 [11:06:06] <frikinz> gavit: net-tools is handy for checking or reseting a nic
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1045 [11:07:26] <gavit> I was hoping to see if the nic was set to autonegotiate or to s epciffic speed
1046 [11:07:32] <gavit> I'm trying to do the same on the modem
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1048 [11:07:40] <gavit> cant find anything about it on either devices
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1062 [11:17:22] <frikinz> Put the ethtool (or net-tools) .deb on a usb stick and try that. Repeat with missing dependencies... There's probably a tool to get all dependencies .deb
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1066 [11:17:50] <frikinz> oh
1067 [11:17:54] <frikinz> /sys also provides flags but they are not highly documented
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1123 [11:44:37] <azamet> how to know on kali linux or ios phone if the wifi is on my right,left,up or down side located?
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1125 [11:46:10] <frikinz> How is that a #debian question?
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1184 [12:32:32] <Nexilva> Hello, pulseaudio and/or pavucontrol say,no cards available for configuration, and dummy output. Sound actually works in mocp and other cli apps. But sound does not work in GUI apps or pulse/pavu etc.
1185 [12:32:35] <Nexilva> Any ideas?
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1210 [12:41:15] <at0m> Nexilva: maybe some other app is taking hold of the soundcard (aplay -l lists them) so pulse cannot?
1211 [12:41:37] <Nexilva> yes, I can do that and get a list of two cards in the sytem with aplay
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1213 [12:41:58] <Nexilva> at0m: how can I address this? Like,make it so pulseaudio can find the cards?
1214 [12:42:08] <Nexilva> to make it not take hold or something you said
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1217 [12:44:11] <at0m> Nexilva: close the other apps that may use the (alsa) soundcard
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1219 [12:44:35] <Nexilva> ok let me try
1220 [12:45:35] <Nexilva> I don't think anything is using alsa atm
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1228 [12:50:22] <Nexilva> alsa-tools and alsa-utils are the only packages. What happened to alsa-base?
1229 [12:50:49] <at0m> ,v alsa-base
1230 [12:50:50] <judd> Package: alsa-base on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.25+3~deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.27+1
1231 [12:51:21] <at0m> seems its gone from buster
1232 [12:51:26] <at0m> Nexilva: you on buster?
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1235 [12:53:12] <Nexilva> replaced-url
1236 [12:53:17] <Nexilva> it's only available in jessie
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1238 [12:53:50] <Nexilva> I removed all the alsa packages, but sound still works in cli and not in pavucontrol
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1241 [12:54:20] <at0m> dpkg: tell Nexilva about sound
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1279 [13:12:53] <FightingFalcon> can you access replaced-url
1280 [13:12:55] <FightingFalcon> ?
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1282 [13:15:10] <abrotman> Can you?
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1285 [13:16:37] <abrotman> If you're experiencing a problem, that would be a good start
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1341 [13:47:22] <csehl> even though in dpkg-reconfigure nodm i chose the non-root user, it's not starting X on user login, but suddenly when i log in root on tty, it will autostart X, which was not the case before
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1343 [13:48:31] <csehl> somehow what i chose in dpkg-reconfigure nodm isn't considered
1344 [13:50:01] <csehl> also during my first dpkg-reconfigure, i erased the "lowest numbered vt on which X may start" by accident; i would like to know what the default value is here. i put 7 now
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1352 [13:54:13] <csehl> actually the lowest vt = 7 could be the problem; i'll retry with 1
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1385 [14:08:44] <aphorise> On 9.5 livecd using lcpi I see my device is listed as: "00:1f.6 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:15bb] (rev 10)" - on mxlinux and
1386 [14:09:45] <aphorise> sparkylinux they work and are shown as I219-V and work - is there anyway I can find out / use the same drivers as shipped with those distros?
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1399 [14:13:42] <zarulyakuza> promos = can use?
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1401 [14:14:01] <zarulyakuza> still old can running setup back..
1402 [14:14:09] <zarulyakuza> windows broken
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1404 [14:14:19] <zarulyakuza> linux too
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1407 [14:15:06] <zarulyakuza> promt = use new driver? system
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1410 [14:15:52] <n4dir> at least make the sentences long enough to make sense,zarulyakuza
1411 [14:16:18] <zarulyakuza> u must teach me
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1413 [14:16:34] <zarulyakuza> so i can talk well u teach..
1414 [14:16:37] <daica> guy how do i grep out the end of the line with specific numbers? like 50 for example : grep -E '[0-9]+$'
1415 [14:16:37] <zarulyakuza> damn
1416 [14:16:38] <n4dir> sure. ignore. done
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1418 [14:17:25] <zarulyakuza> in promt system type use =?
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1421 [14:17:41] <tmm88> hey guys
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1423 [14:18:18] <zarulyakuza> i need get unaffileated host..
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1425 [14:18:37] <tmm88> wha is the equivalent on debian of "open -a replaced-url
1426 [14:18:45] <zarulyakuza> boren
1427 [14:19:00] <tmm88> zarulyakuza, as in #freenode channel
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1429 [14:19:18] <tmm88> @fuchs or someone else will be happy to help you out
1430 [14:19:21] <abrotman> tmm88: you want it to open a browser?
1431 [14:19:22] <tmm88> *ask
1432 [14:19:25] <zarulyakuza> dunggoo.com?
1433 [14:19:36] <tmm88> abrotman, yes
1434 [14:19:41] <zarulyakuza> oh my friend fuchs
1435 [14:19:43] * abrotman doesn't know what -a does in that case
1436 [14:20:04] <tmm88> abrotman, that's for mac
1437 [14:20:12] <tmm88> i am looking for the debian equivalent
1438 [14:20:21] <abrotman> tmm88: I mean, you can just "x-replaced-url
1439 [14:20:22] <tmm88> my idea is to open an url in the default browser
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1442 [14:20:50] <abrotman> tmm88: or xdg-open
1443 [14:21:02] <csehl> i solved the problem with root having auto startx. nonetheless, nodm isn't starting X after non-root user login
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1445 [14:21:24] <abrotman> tmm88: I think that's what you're asking
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1455 [14:24:34] <csehl> service nodm status says "Active: inactive (dead)", but i'm already in X. is that normal?
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1461 [14:29:06] <tmm88> abrotman, xdg-open worked quite fine for me
1462 [14:29:10] <tmm88> thank you so much
1463 [14:29:28] <n4dir> daica: awk came to my mind. going back and forth a bit, this seems to work for most easy cases awk '/[0-9]$/ { print $NF }'
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1465 [14:29:36] <tmm88> i was able to fix the issues i had with a couple shortcuts i wrote for macos shell
1466 [14:29:41] <tmm88> to do automated browsing
1467 [14:30:16] <abrotman> ah, good
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1495 [14:47:36] <dvs> Yay! Debian 9.6!
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1520 [15:05:26] <EdePopede> oops. was this the update yesterday?
1521 [15:05:45] * RoyK dist-upgrades
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1543 [15:15:07] <qqz> help I have tried to file a bug with reportbug
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1545 [15:15:14] <qqz> but the email addess was invalid
1546 [15:15:29] <petn-randall> qqz: Which email address?
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1550 [15:16:04] <qqz> wrong email address: elm@celsius
1551 [15:16:31] <qqz> right email adress would be: estellnb@elstel.org
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1553 [15:16:48] <qqz> scdaemon: gnupg --card-status does not recognize smart card via usb reader
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1556 [15:18:17] <qqz> how can I change the email address for reportbug?
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1561 [15:22:08] <petn-randall> qqz: "man reportbug.conf"
1562 [15:22:59] <qqz> is the bug that I have filed somewhere online?
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1564 [15:23:17] <qqz> may I change the email address of an already existing report?
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1568 [15:23:43] <petn-randall> qqz: replaced-url
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1574 [15:25:56] <qqz> what if I do not want to enter my smtppasswd in plain text
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1576 [15:25:58] <qqz> ?
1577 [15:26:17] <qqz> may I send the reportbug ouput with my favourite email program
1578 [15:26:41] <qqz> how to configure reportbug so that it does not send emails automatically but lets me choose my email program??
1579 [15:28:02] <petn-randall> qqz: You don't need to provide any SMTP details. It can send it directly to the Debian mail servers.
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1581 [15:28:25] <qqz> how does that work if it does not have an SMTP server?
1582 [15:28:48] <petn-randall> qqz: It's a SMTP client.
1583 [15:29:07] <qqz> petn-rendall: what server does it use?
1584 [15:29:23] <petn-randall> qqz: I already said it uses the Debian mail servers.
1585 [15:29:28] <petn-randall> qqz: petn<tab>
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1587 [15:29:47] <qqz> how can I change that bug if I do not have the bug number?
1588 [15:30:08] <petn-randall> qqz: You'll have to find it via the web interface.
1589 [15:30:13] <qqz> how can I recover that encoded /tmp/reportbug-scdaemon-backup-20181111-1914-9ybzkf6i
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1591 [15:30:27] <qqz> where is the web interface?
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1598 [15:36:35] <qqz> sorry I can not find that bug via the web interface:
1599 [15:36:46] <qqz> scdaemon: gnupg --card-status does not recognize smart card via usb reader
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1601 [15:37:51] <qqz> I'll have to resubmit a similar report since I can neither recover the bug number nor the report
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1605 [15:38:52] <petn-randall> qqz: It's likely that your mail wasn't processed yet. It takes a while to show up in the web interface.
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1609 [15:41:08] <qqz> I can not even remember the package
1610 [15:41:21] <qqz> was it scdaemon or gnupg2
1611 [15:41:41] <qqz> how can I decrypt /tmp/reportbug-scdaemon-backup-20181111-1914-9ybzkf6i ??
1612 [15:42:05] <qqz> I can not find that bug via replaced-url
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1617 [15:44:45] <qqz> I remember it has written something like gnupg2 though it should probably be scdaemon
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1622 [15:47:45] <qqz> how long will I have to wait?
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1649 [16:04:57] <oxek> Why is debian-9.6.0-i386-netinst.iso 396361728 bytes but debian-9.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso 305135616 bytes? That's a difference of 87MB.
1650 [16:05:08] <ballin> I installed package "launchy" and tried to have it run on my user session start. But I always get two copies of it. How can I figure out what script each is using to launch on login? They seem to start after my xfce session starts so I believe that is the culprit. I'm on stretch with xfce4.
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1654 [16:08:42] <EdePopede> oxek: probably different libraries (i386<->amd64)
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1661 [16:11:18] <n4dir> ballin: what was your approach to autostart it? By using the xfce graphical tools?
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1665 [16:11:48] <zarulyakuza> grafic what have da now?
1666 [16:12:27] <zarulyakuza> googleplay sorfware graficdownloading.
1667 [16:13:00] <n4dir> something like: grep -r "launchy" ~/.[!.]* ; comes to my mind, to find each entry of "launchy" in the hidden users file. Not sure where exactly xfce4 has it's configs, you could make it more precise if you "find" those.
1668 [16:13:04] <joepublic> zarulyakuza, thanks for playing. You have failed the turing test now in both ##linux and #debian. Your results will arrive soon.
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1671 [16:13:33] <n4dir> the dot after ! is wrong, btw.
1672 [16:13:54] <n4dir> well: no. sorry for the confusion. silence now.
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1687 [16:21:37] <war9407> Does anyone here use the iwatch daemon?
1688 [16:22:01] <rabbitear_sdf> no
1689 [16:22:04] <phogg> yes
1690 [16:22:07] <phogg> everyoen
1691 [16:22:33] <war9407> I commented out the email address in the iwatch.xml but it still says * send mail to, I just want to log the changes but not have an email for every change, has anyone successfully modified the DTD/xml schema or does the program/daemon always want/expect an email address?
1692 [16:23:18] <joepublic> war: The answer is here: replaced-url
1693 [16:23:48] <phogg> war9407: no idea, but it looks like a perl script. Pretty easy to find out what it does.
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1696 [16:24:06] <war9407> kk will dig more, ty
1697 [16:24:28] <phogg> war9407: it appears unconditional
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1701 [16:25:08] <phogg> war9407: try commenting out line 494, 495 and 496
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1703 [16:25:33] <phogg> er, I mean 424, 425, 426
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1705 [16:26:12] <war9407> that works, perfect, ty!
1706 [16:26:23] <RoyK> oxek: no idea - but I tried a rough comparison of the iso files, and the packages for amd64 are slightly smaller, which for me seems a bit strange - perhaps try the mailing list if it's important
1707 [16:26:40] <phogg> war9407: this is an object lesson in why you never start with 'does anyone use?' -- I've never heard of iwatch before. You're welcome.
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1709 [16:26:56] <war9407> understood
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1720 [16:30:43] <tmm88> heyho everyone. how are you doing? I was trying to fix firmware issues on macbook a1278 with debian. is there a guide for that? cheers
1721 [16:30:54] <RATS> :)
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1729 [16:33:21] <RoyK> tmm88: what sort of firmware issues? please detail
1730 [16:34:07] <joepublic> tmm88, the basic process is, look in dmesg for firmware load failures, and then try to find that firmware file (maybe it's in a package, maybe you have to get it some other way).
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1735 [16:35:07] <gvth> I can't get libvirtd to run in order to use virt-manager. Any ideas why?
1736 [16:35:25] <RoyK> check the logs
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1771 [16:54:40] <oxek> RoyK: It is somewhat important because it is strange (bordering on suspicious) that amd64 packages would be smaller than i386 ones
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1773 [16:57:22] <RoyK> oxek: Then send an email to the mailing lists - some of the devs will probably have a good answer
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1800 [17:11:35] <shynoob> whats better qemu or virtualbox or vmware or any other .. if I wanna play games on windows from inside linux?
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1803 [17:12:09] <shynoob> the game itself runs smoothly thru wine.. but the platform via which it runs online.. doesnt work properly on linux.. hence .. the need
1804 [17:12:26] <liske1> hi
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1806 [17:14:25] <shynoob> hi liskel
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1840 [17:33:34] <joepublic> shynoob, you will probably be disappointed with the video (and therefore gaming) performance of any of those emulators.
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1843 [17:33:53] <shynoob> joepublic, what do you suggest?
1844 [17:34:07] <shynoob> the game is warcraft3
1845 [17:34:15] <shynoob> and the platform is gameranger
1846 [17:34:18] <jmd> Hello. I was thinking of offering a new package to debian. But I see that the waiting list has over 200 items, some of them over 12 months old. Is it a realistic proposition that my package would ever get into debian?
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1848 [17:34:47] <joepublic> jmd, you chances would probably better if you were the package maintainer. To be one, ask one.
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1855 [17:36:28] <jmd> joepublic: I don't think it makes any difference, since all packages have to be approved by the webmasters.
1856 [17:36:39] <joepublic> shynoob, no reason not to install it within virtualbox and see what happens. Other than your time.
1857 [17:36:52] <joepublic> jmd, glad you got it sorted and don't need more information. Good successful talk.
1858 [17:36:57] <shynoob> joepublic, the game works on wine.. perfectly..
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1860 [17:37:17] <shynoob> joepublic, its just the platform gameranger.. has problems on debian ..
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1863 [17:37:44] <pistache> shynoob: do you have an additional GPU that you could dedicate to a VM ?
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1865 [17:37:49] <joepublic> shynoob, and it probably runs fine on some other operating system that would run in virtualbox. got it. why not try it out? virtualbox does emulate 3d graphics.
1866 [17:37:52] <shynoob> no pistache
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1868 [17:38:15] <shynoob> alrigth joepublic .. just saw virtual box isnt in the repo
1869 [17:38:22] <shynoob> ,v virtualbox
1870 [17:38:23] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-7~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.18-dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.22-dfsg-1; sid/contrib: 5.2.22-dfsg-1
1871 [17:38:32] <shynoob> oh
1872 [17:38:59] <jakew_> I just upgraded from 8 to 9. Now I have an ugly red disk space notification in the upper right hand corner of my gnome-shell screen that WILL NOT GO AWAY! HELP!
1873 [17:39:16] <joepublic> some parts of virtualbox are nonfree. since you are running a nonfree game I bet that's not an objection for you, so know that you might need contrib/non-free.
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1875 [17:40:10] <jakew_> replaced-url
1876 [17:40:27] <Epakai> jmd: what are you referring to as a waiting list? if someone is willing to do the packaging work and seek a sponsor there shouldn't be much difficulty getting it into debian (barring license incompatibility, etc.)
1877 [17:41:30] <joepublic> jakew_, not to put too fine a point on it, but it looks like to make that go away you would want to delete some things that are unnecessary.
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1881 [17:44:22] <jelly> jmd: wnpp / rfp reports are not a waiting list and are not really handled in order of arrival. If you choose to try being your own debian package maintainer, look at
1882 [17:44:25] <jelly> !mentors
1883 [17:44:26] <dpkg> mentors is probably the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. replaced-url
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1885 [17:44:57] <jelly> !nmg
1886 [17:44:57] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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1888 [17:45:25] <joepublic> df |egrep '(Mounted|home)' will tell you how much space in total, how much is used, and how much is free of your /home
1889 [17:45:47] <shynoob> its alright.. joepublic
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1895 [17:49:30] <shynoob> Is windows XP better or windows 7 or windows 10?
1896 [17:49:42] <dvs> Why are you asking here?
1897 [17:49:42] <shynoob> the game runs on all ..tho
1898 [17:49:48] <shynoob> oh lol
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1901 [17:50:10] <shynoob> if anyone would have experience running windows on debian
1902 [17:50:13] <shynoob> using vbox
1903 [17:50:18] <dvs> ah
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1912 [17:53:31] <petn-randall> shynoob: Try asking a specific question. Asking if anyone has experience running Windows VM is useless, as there are probably quite a few people, but they can't help you unless you ask a specific question.
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1915 [17:54:32] <jmd> No wonder he's a shy noob if that's the response he gets!
1916 [17:54:38] <shynoob> petn-randall, I want to run .. most probably play a game from within debian's vbox.. would it be wise to install windows XP or windows 10.. the game runs on both tho..
1917 [17:54:40] <jakew_> joepublic: I am very much aware of how to manage space on my drives. I am asking how to make a notification go away, apparently there's no way to do this in the gnome-shell 3.22 (included with stretch) and the thing has been sitting there for 23 minutes.
1918 [17:55:15] <jakew_> clicks on the notification affect whatever's behind it. gnome notification setting has no effect.
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1920 [17:55:30] <dvs> petn-randall, I'm guessing shynoob hasn't started the install and is just asking for advice.
1921 [17:55:32] <apollo13> jakew_: that sounds like a special program, not something from a debian standard install
1922 [17:55:48] <apollo13> jakew_: it is also not in the style of any normal gnome notification
1923 [17:55:49] <shynoob> dvs what install?
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1925 [17:56:01] <dvs> shynoob, Install Windows into vbox
1926 [17:56:14] <petn-randall> shynoob: I'd go with a supported OS if you plan on multiplayer. XP has been out of support for several years now. But whatever floats your boat, really.
1927 [17:56:15] <shynoob> yeah but which :P
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1929 [17:56:24] <jakew_> apollo13: hmm. did you see the image? I know, but it's like the same notification that I was getting in jessie, but it's un-themed or something.
1930 [17:56:25] <shynoob> ohh
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1932 [17:56:37] <jakew_> All other notifications also have this theme, just some of them seem to disappear when they're supposed to.
1933 [17:56:48] <jakew_> Anyone have any idea about troubleshooting notification theme?
1934 [17:56:49] <apollo13> jakew_: that sounds rather weird
1935 [17:57:02] <jakew_> apollo13: well it is definitely weird.
1936 [17:57:22] <apollo13> jakew_: this is how notification ins gnome look like: replaced-url
1937 [17:57:26] <apollo13> did you try with a new user?
1938 [17:57:29] <joepublic> jakew_, Okay, I understand better now. My advice didn't address the issue of what-the-hecks-up-with-that-persistent-box.
1939 [17:58:13] <jakew_> apollo13: joepublic: check this out: replaced-url
1940 [17:58:36] <jakew_> (the blue notification went away as soon as I changed window focus)
1941 [17:58:44] <jakew_> the red one is still there. weird.
1942 [17:59:00] <apollo13> jakew_: if you click on the clock in the middle of the screen, do you see the notificatoins there too then?
1943 [17:59:09] <apollo13> those there usually also have an (x) to dismiss
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1945 [17:59:30] <jakew_> Interesting. Well, yes, but they're different notifications.
1946 [17:59:33] <apollo13> like this replaced-url
1947 [17:59:34] <joepublic> just guessing-not from knowledge-but, is the red one still there because its condition is still true and it has some sort of monomanicial bent on staying until its threshold is satisfied? That could be a difference between the one(s) that went away and that red one.
1948 [17:59:54] <apollo13> jakew_: If I had to guess I'd say you have another notification daemon running which does weird things
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1950 [18:00:08] <jakew_> joepublic: Yeah, but those would just appear at the bottom and go away in 8.
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1955 [18:00:37] <apollo13> maybe a ps will point out weird apps
1956 [18:00:51] <jakew_> joepublic: apollo13: here's the one from the clock area: replaced-url
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1959 [18:01:04] <apollo13> yeah that one looks like it should be
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1961 [18:01:22] <jakew_> NNNNN ? Sl 0:01 gnome-control-center notifications
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1964 [18:02:59] <apollo13> I personally do not think that is gnome doing, but who knows
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2019 [18:33:11] <jhutchins> RoyK: Don't know why a UID would change. I can browse the filesystem just fine with thunar, it's whatever provides file selection for desktop properties.
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2022 [18:33:47] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins: interestingly i recall having the same problem on jessie. never figured out what caused it.
2023 [18:33:48] <RoyK> jhutchins: sorry - I don't know
2024 [18:34:04] <SerajewelKS> i just found where the wallpaper config is stored and changed the path by hand
2025 [18:34:44] <joepublic> Once in a while you hear something and you say to yourself "Huh. I bet that's why GNU/Linux isn't more mainstream."
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2027 [18:35:05] <SerajewelKS> i encounter something like that almost every day :)
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2029 [18:35:26] <jhutchins> joepublic: Which assumes you think Linux isn't mainstream (which means you haven't been in a datacenter in decades).
2030 [18:35:26] <SerajewelKS> but i know what i'm doing so i can usually hack around it. yeah, the people who don't know their way around the linux command line will sooner or later have such a problem.
2031 [18:35:40] <jhutchins> It also assumes you care whether idiots try to use linux.
2032 [18:36:13] <SerajewelKS> TBH though, they run into more mysterious problems on other OSes that i can't help with. the problems the casual user encounters on linux are more frequent but are also more easily solved, in my experience.
2033 [18:36:20] <joepublic> jhutchins, your emotional asshole-ish response indicates that you certainly seem to care. I was just making an idle observation. I use what works for me, and encourage others to do the same.
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2039 [18:39:08] <jhutchins> joepublic: There are people who shouldn't try to use linux. They're not prepared or willing to understand the processes involved. They should use an OS that does it's best to hide those processes. Linux shouldn't do that.
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2041 [18:39:34] <joepublic> Perhaps you should let the android folks know.
2042 [18:39:45] <jhutchins> They know.
2043 [18:40:13] <pistache> jhutchins: Linux is not an OS
2044 [18:40:40] <jhutchins> pistache: This is not a pipe.
2045 [18:41:43] <pistache> it makes your statement look very different if you correct it
2046 [18:41:49] <jhutchins> task-xfce-desktio installed a font package and vlc.
2047 [18:42:11] <pistache> "[...] Linux-based operating systems shouldn't do that." well why shouldn't they ?
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2049 [18:42:47] <jhutchins> pistache: The point of linux is that it gives you the freedom to completely control the processes behind the work you do with it.
2050 [18:42:47] <joepublic> pistache, j.h. started out by saying I haven't been in a datacenter. you have an enormous knowledge and perception deficit to overcome in your quest here. Good luck my friend.
2051 [18:42:55] <pistache> as another said some already do (android and many others)
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2053 [18:44:24] <pistache> anyway, "the point of linux" may not be very on-topic (or even interesting)
2054 [18:44:49] <jmd> It's always highly subjective.
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2056 [18:45:42] <jmd> If you read what Tovalds says, his motivation seems to be very different from that of most people who use GNU/Linux.
2057 [18:46:35] <pistache> joepublic: having been in a datacenter is also an interestingly inadapted criteria for competence too..
2058 [18:46:43] <shynoob> linux kernel is free and open-source .. thats the selling point.. ;)
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2060 [18:47:30] <pistache> is there any recommended way for scripts to store secret values in temporary files ?
2061 [18:47:37] <pistache> other than "not doing it"
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2063 [18:47:59] <joepublic> perhaps, but saying "since you disagree, you have obviously not been in a datacenter" is more indicative of the learning curve you're working against, than the qualifications that, say, a janitor would need to enter a datacenter.
2064 [18:48:00] <pistache> I cannot find how to give a password to "nm cli con up" other than "passwd-file"
2065 [18:48:46] <pistache> joepublic: for sure
2066 [18:49:06] <pistache> so given that I have to use a password file (and that it doesn't work with stdin)
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2069 [18:49:32] <pistache> it's better to store it in /dev/shm, right ? or is it reasonable to assume that /tmp will always be a tmpfs (say, on debian) ?
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2072 [18:50:04] <pistache> or should I store it anywhere, and use 'wipe' to clear it afterwards ?
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2077 [18:51:44] <jhutchins> My point about the datacenter is the prevalence of linux in commercial computing environments.
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2081 [18:52:46] <jhutchins> Is there a way to search for packages that are backported? Like "xfce*"?
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2085 [18:54:47] <jhutchins> I guess I can do it in synaptic. Nothing useful found.
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2089 [18:56:01] <bites> pistache: bash process substitution maybe instead of a real file.
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2091 [18:56:49] <pistache> bites: wouldn't that only work if the password can be given in the command-line ?
2092 [18:57:10] <pistache> as far as I can tell, the passwd-file option of nmcli requires a real file
2093 [18:57:54] <bites> try it and see.
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2096 [18:59:22] <jhutchins> Hm, the selection dropdown is labeled "folder", like it's set to change backgrounds, though it isn't.
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2102 [19:02:25] <pistache> bites: awesome, it does work !
2103 [19:02:50] <bites> yay :)
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2105 [19:03:23] <pistache> I'll need to do a bit of reading on why it works with process substitution, but didn't work when passing /dev/stdin as password-file
2106 [19:03:34] <pistache> thanks a lot
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2132 [19:15:03] <jhutchins> ,kernels
2133 [19:15:04] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc7-686-pae (4.19~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); buster: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1);
2134 [19:15:05] <judd> wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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2156 [19:23:07] <sami4ak> help install icecast
2157 [19:23:26] <jhutchins> I don't see alsa on stretch.
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2159 [19:23:35] <jhutchins> Didn't see that in the release notes.
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2196 [19:44:23] <EdePopede> ,v alsa-utils
2197 [19:44:24] <judd> Package: alsa-utils on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.25-4; jessie: 1.0.28-1; stretch: 1.1.3-1; buster: 1.1.7-1; sid: 1.1.7-1
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2203 [19:48:49] <frikinz> aphorise: which kernel are these using? yesterday I told you to try a more recent kernel (backport has 4.18). Did you try debian testing?
2204 [19:49:58] <frikinz> aphorise: or that replaced-url
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2206 [19:51:06] <frikinz> You need to confirm that a recent debian kernel does work first.
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2241 [20:09:31] <aphorise> frikinz I tried several testings including livecd net install also went back to 2.5 as well... so far this is working for me: replaced-url
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2244 [20:10:25] <aphorise> Sorry Debian 9.5 I mean
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2247 [20:11:38] <aphorise> 9.5 + 9.6 releseas current -1 as well including testing - nothing is working which is suprising as I dont get what these other folks have based their releases on.
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2253 [20:15:50] <petn-randall> aphorise: Did you use the netinstaller *with* firmware?
2254 [20:17:15] <aphorise> petn-randall yes I tried that too the 400 odd iso
2255 [20:17:19] <aphorise> 400 odd meg*
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2268 [20:24:30] <petn-randall> aphorise: All the others don't contain firmware, so they shouldn't work.
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2270 [20:25:04] <Devastator> how do I check a maintainer of a package? packages.debian.org?
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2276 [20:26:20] <petn-randall> Devastator: Yes, you already answered your own question.
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2278 [20:26:38] <Unit193> Devastator: Can check the pts, that, or apt-cache showsrc (though if on stable, may be out of date.)
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2286 [20:27:39] <onion> Back in my day, we would keep our eyes open all day for a honey bee swarm. A swarm is when a nest of bees gets so large that part of the population leaves with a new queen to form a new colony.If you saw a swarm on a tree branch you could cut the branch and literally shake them off into a box so you could later have your own bee hive. But I always shook mine off into a crudley constructed wooden dildo and shove it up my ass.
2287 [20:27:39] <onion> That's what that vibrator reminds me of, simpler times.
2288 [20:27:49] <onion> Back in my day, we would keep our eyes open all day for a honey bee swarm. A swarm is when a nest of bees gets so large that part of the population leaves with a new queen to form a new colony.If you saw a swarm on a tree branch you could cut the branch and literally shake them off into a box so you could later have your own bee hive. But I always shook mine off into a crudley constructed wooden dildo and shove it up my ass.
2289 [20:27:49] <onion> That's what that vibrator reminds me of, simpler times.
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2301 [20:32:11] <algun_> hey i need to run a fsck but cant log in as root; its disallowed even in recovery mode. What would be the recommended course of action?
2302 [20:32:31] <SerajewelKS> algun_: why is it "disallowed in recovery mode"
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2306 [20:33:54] <algun_> it is disallowed in general to log in as root(only sudo is allowed) and i guess recovery mode respects that for some reason
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2309 [20:34:32] <RoyK> algun_: ssh or console?
2310 [20:34:40] <algun_> console
2311 [20:35:02] <Devastator> petn-randall Unit193, thank you both, it seems the maintainer is Antonio Gonzales Iniesta, do you know if he uses IRC by any chance?
2312 [20:35:06] <RoyK> normally root login on console is allowed
2313 [20:35:19] <ukine> algun_, try looking up the grub line to su in
2314 [20:35:24] <algun_> ideally i would allow root only for physical access in recovery mode
2315 [20:36:20] <SerajewelKS> algun_: ah, you mean recovery mode in grub. yes, you still need the root password. an alternative is to boot from the installer CD and use its recovery mode.
2316 [20:36:23] <RoyK> algun_: if you have changed the config to disallow root login on the console, I guess a rescue CD will be a way to start
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2318 [20:36:29] <SerajewelKS> rescue mode, rather
2319 [20:36:35] <algun_> assumin that is what the system drops to when the disk is giving it problems (but i have tried actually booting recovery too)
2320 [20:36:43] <RoyK> CD/USB/something
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2323 [20:37:25] <algun_> i can lo in to the normal system as myself and sudo
2324 [20:37:32] <RoyK> recovery also uses PAM, last I checked, so if you have disabled root login on the console, use another boot medium
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2326 [20:37:59] <SerajewelKS> algun_: a greater problem you will face is that you can't fsck a volume that's mounted. so you probably need to boot from other media anyway.
2327 [20:38:08] <ukine> ^
2328 [20:38:09] <SerajewelKS> you won't be able to fsck / from within the system while it's mounted read-write
2329 [20:38:14] <algun_> a pam.conf i was able to locate wa empty just comment
2330 [20:38:17] <algun_> s
2331 [20:38:22] <onion> Back in my day, we would keep our eyes open all day for a honey bee swarm. A swarm is when a nest of bees gets so large that part of the population leaves with a new queen to form a new colony.If you saw a swarm on a tree branch you could cut the branch and literally shake them off into a box so you could later have your own bee hive. But I always shook mine off into a crudley constructed wooden dildo and shove it up my ass.
2332 [20:38:23] <onion> That's what that vibrator reminds me of, simpler times.
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2335 [20:38:34] <SerajewelKS> !ops onion
2336 [20:38:35] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: serajewelks complains about a problem (see above)
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2339 [20:39:10] <algun_> sejawelks i think i can unmout root while in recovery
2340 [20:39:19] <algun_> can i?
2341 [20:39:24] <SerajewelKS> algun_: you cannot. you may be able to remount it read-only.
2342 [20:39:51] <SerajewelKS> though, in my experience, systemd in particular makes recovery mode barely useful since it holds so much stuff open you can't remount ro without stopping a bunch of crap
2343 [20:39:56] <SerajewelKS> (maybe that's fixed now)
2344 [20:40:06] <algun_> a recovery medium is a drag is there no more convenient solution?
2345 [20:40:10] <algun_> oh btw
2346 [20:40:13] <SerajewelKS> in this situation it's much easier to just boot from alternative media
2347 [20:40:31] <algun_> i didnt mak roots shell nologin so im not sure where its blocked
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2350 [20:41:50] <SerajewelKS> bad password... wrong keyboard layout... who knows
2351 [20:41:55] <algun_> serjawelks it is a ridiculous situation that i cannot log in to recover a failed bootup
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2353 [20:42:17] <algun_> no i think it says the root login is blocked
2354 [20:42:20] <SerajewelKS> i mean... maybe? if the boot is failing why do you even trust the system.
2355 [20:42:25] <algun_> i can fin out the exact message
2356 [20:42:37] <SerajewelKS> if i have a problem booting i have the installer CD nearby because it's the much easier way in
2357 [20:43:18] <SerajewelKS> trying to fix a broken system from within itself can be unsafe. e.g. if the filesystem is damaged, how do you know that fsck isn't corrupted?
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2359 [20:43:24] <algun_> it is a good driveits just that it is very old and needs a scrub from time to time;)
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2361 [20:43:38] <SerajewelKS> that doesn't sound like a good drive to me :)
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2363 [20:43:53] <algun_> idk actually what the caus is. but basic drive stats say it is healthy
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2369 [20:46:21] <algun_> my sytem fails to lock (sleep? hybernate). maybe after such an event using it leads to a crash that requires a fsck which i cant do an then crashing continues when using the system (in graphics mode) until i manage to fsck
2370 [20:46:46] <algun_> ill get a cd
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2375 [20:49:11] <sjmulder> using Debian 9,6 with XFCE, I can never log in when my screen locks. it appears the password is not accepted
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2379 [20:51:12] <Unit193> sjmulder: Using light-locker, xscreensaver, or something else?
2380 [20:52:17] <onion> Back in my day, we would keep our eyes open all day for a honey bee swarm. A swarm is when a nest of bees gets so large that part of the population leaves with a new queen to form a new colony.If you saw a swarm on a tree branch you could cut the branch and literally shake them off into a box so you could later have your own bee hive. But I always shook mine off into a crudley constructed wooden dildo and shove it up my ass.
2381 [20:52:17] <onion> That's what that vibrator reminds me of, simpler times.
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2395 [20:53:36] <LtL> baba_: thank you
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2397 [20:53:50] <revmoo> guys I'm in an odd spot, I have a poweredge that needs a network driver to function, which I have, on a thumbdrive , but you need apt to install nonfree exfat support....
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2399 [20:53:54] <LtL> baba_: sorry, babilen thanks
2400 [20:53:58] <revmoo> so how am I supposed to get these nic drivers onto this box?
2401 [20:54:00] <sjmulder> @Unit193, how do I find out? I went with the defaults mostly
2402 [20:54:16] <SerajewelKS> revmoo: use vfat instead of exfat
2403 [20:54:33] <Unit193> sjmulder: So it'll likely be light-locker. Presumably it's dumping you back to the login greeter to unlock?
2404 [20:54:35] <revmoo> ok... sec!
2405 [20:54:54] <sjmulder> Unit193, yeah, it looks exactly like the usual login screen. My username is prefilled.
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2407 [20:55:45] <Unit193> sjmulder: It should tell you like always if your password is wrong, you *can* check TTY7 to see if your session is there, but eh. Is there a specific error?
2408 [20:56:18] <sjmulder> Unit193, the TTYs all show me regular login prompts, and I can log in fine there
2409 [20:56:35] <SerajewelKS> revmoo: vfat is more limited but is, at this point, about the most widely-supported filesystem on the planet
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2411 [20:57:16] <sjmulder> Unit193, and I don't think it gives me an error, instead it just resets (clearing the password field)
2412 [20:57:21] <revmoo> and I guess vfat is an open format vs proprietary?
2413 [20:58:15] <Unit193> sjmulder: OK, that shouldn't be an issue in light-locker at least (I don't use it, I still prefer xscreensaver due to issues with light-locker.)
2414 [20:58:22] <SerajewelKS> revmoo: i don't believe it's open
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2416 [20:59:18] <SerajewelKS> revmoo: there's some patents that may cover it. i know it has a somewhat troubled legal history.
2417 [20:59:40] <revmoo> interesting
2418 [20:59:41] <SerajewelKS> but linux does not appear to have been involved in any trouble over it. if you don't like vfat you could always use ext
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2420 [20:59:48] <SerajewelKS> replaced-url
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2423 [21:01:16] <revmoo> ugh software patents are terrible
2424 [21:01:47] <SerajewelKS> agreed
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2426 [21:02:04] <SerajewelKS> if you're only using this drive on unix systems though, you can just format it ext2
2427 [21:02:24] <revmoo> don't care what happens to this thing I just need to xfer the one NIC card driver .deb
2428 [21:03:20] <revmoo> Formatted fat on win10, copied deb, tried to mount: "bogus number of reserved sectors"
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2430 [21:03:41] <revmoo> seems like the sort of error you'd see when mounting the wrong version of an fs
2431 [21:03:43] <SerajewelKS> can you mkfs.vfat from linux instead?
2432 [21:03:47] <revmoo> I definitely did not format it ntfs
2433 [21:03:56] <revmoo> great idea!
2434 [21:04:14] <SerajewelKS> can even format it on the server you're copying to
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2436 [21:05:44] <revmoo> that's what I'm up to right now
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2442 [21:07:43] <SerajewelKS> revmoo: google suggests that error means you were trying to mount the device instead of the partition, or a partition instead of the device
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2446 [21:10:10] <revmoo> hmm
2447 [21:10:17] <Peyam> hi
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2449 [21:10:23] <Peyam> what is the current version of eclipse?
2450 [21:10:26] <Peyam> in debian repo
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2452 [21:10:54] <Peyam> anyone?
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2454 [21:11:32] <Peyam> it is so old. 3,8?
2455 [21:11:36] <Peyam> my god
2456 [21:11:36] <SerajewelKS> ,v eclipse
2457 [21:11:37] <judd> Package: eclipse on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.8.0~rc4-1; jessie: 3.8.1-7; sid: 3.8.1-8; stretch: 3.8.1-10; sid: 3.8.1-11
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2461 [21:13:12] <Peyam> thank you SerajewelKS I was look for that ,v comemnt
2462 [21:13:12] <Peyam> :D
2463 [21:13:26] <SerajewelKS> there's also packages.debian.org
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2465 [21:13:33] <revmoo> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb fails with bogus number of reserved sectors blah blah
2466 [21:13:40] <Peyam> yeah. that wqhat I tried
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2469 [21:14:06] <SerajewelKS> revmoo: right after mkfs?
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2471 [21:14:43] <SerajewelKS> revmoo: what's "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" say?
2472 [21:15:38] <revmoo> don't have the option for fat but I do for ntfs so now I'm trying to format it with mkfs.ntfs but its dead slow
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2474 [21:15:55] <revmoo> annoying, ubuntu HAS this driver, I just wanted debian for other softwares
2475 [21:15:55] <SerajewelKS> revmoo: you should have mkfs.vfat
2476 [21:16:02] <revmoo> I don't
2477 [21:16:10] <revmoo> this is an open media server build or whatever
2478 [21:16:14] <revmoo> this really my fault
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2480 [21:16:21] <SerajewelKS> oh that's an optional package
2481 [21:16:31] <SerajewelKS> formatting on windows should work though...
2482 [21:16:33] <revmoo> I had the same issue with vanilla debian the other day and jumped into ubuntu and everything worked
2483 [21:16:46] <revmoo> yeah format on windows doesn't seem to work
2484 [21:16:48] <revmoo> idks
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2490 [21:19:12] <revmoo> at this rate formatting this usb disk mkfs.ntfs will take over an hour
2491 [21:19:26] <SerajewelKS> wait how the hell do you have ntfsprogs but not mkfs.vfat
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2494 [21:19:50] <revmoo> it's this chopped up distro I probably shouldn't even ask questions in #debian
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2496 [21:20:44] <SerajewelKS> chopped up distro?
2497 [21:20:53] <revmoo> open media server, it's debian derived
2498 [21:21:05] <revmoo> *open media vault
2499 [21:21:16] <SerajewelKS> ah. that's probably why you're missing basic stuff then.
2500 [21:21:28] <SerajewelKS> who knows what they decided to omit for the sake of saving some disk space
2501 [21:21:36] <revmoo> yep
2502 [21:22:30] <siwica> I want to setup a private Debian package repository for the company I am working at and have two questions: 1. What protocols are supported by apt? HTTP/FTP/...? 2. What are the most common programs that support this? I'd prefer a rather simple one and don't want to spend too much time gettting familiar with one being too complex.
2503 [21:23:20] <SerajewelKS> siwica: http is what's most widely used and is easy to set up on any http server. nginx, apache, etc.
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2507 [21:26:32] <siwica> SerajewelKS: Is it also possible to have all packages within a git repository and only use the Git-protocol or SSH?
2508 [21:26:38] <Peyam> how do I run a .bin file in linuzx?
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2510 [21:26:51] <Peyam> isn't it chmd +x ...bin?
2511 [21:26:57] <siwica> I was told a solution that does not require setting up a webserver would be preferred.
2512 [21:27:32] <revmoo> ok the final recipe was to format it NTFS on windows then copy drivers, fat didn't work...
2513 [21:27:43] <revmoo> thanks for the debugging hints
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2523 [21:31:48] <me`> Back in my day, we would keep our eyes open all day for a honey bee swarm. A swarm is when a nest of bees gets so large that part of the population leaves with a new queen to form a new colony.If you saw a swarm on a tree branch you could cut the branch and literally shake them off into a box so you could later have your own bee hive. But I always shook mine off into a crudley constructed wooden dildo and shove it up my ass. That's wha
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2533 [21:34:40] <SerajewelKS> siwica: not to my knowledge
2534 [21:35:02] <SerajewelKS> !ops me`
2535 [21:35:02] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: serajewelks complains about a problem (see above)
2536 [21:35:05] <me`> ALLA HU AKBAR
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2538 [21:36:26] <Unit193> me`: Please quit that.
2539 [21:36:38] <me`> STOP THAT UNIT193
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2545 [21:38:22] <siwica> SerajewelKS: Just checked `man 5 sources.list`. It seems SSH is also supported by default and additional packages exist for: https, s3 (aws), spacewalk, tor, debtorrent
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2551 [21:42:23] <siwica> Does anybody know if the list for `Debian Repository Generation Tools` under replaced-url
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2562 [21:45:09] <storrgie> Is there a list of preeseed urls? I'm trying to use netboot.xyz to do an install
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2565 [21:46:11] <Unit193> siwica: Seems to have the most common ones, at least.
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2578 [21:56:30] <siwica> Unit193: Could you recommend one of those? I only want to publish self-made packages so I probably would only need a rather limited set of features.
2579 [21:57:31] <Unit193> siwica: It depends on which specific features you want. I'm slightly biased though so might not be the best to recommend something. If you wanted only a micro repo, I'd likely push towards aptly or mini-dinstall though.
2580 [21:57:39] <Unit193> (I of course use mini-dinstall)
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2582 [21:58:40] <siwica> The repository is going to hosted on a Gentoo server. So I would prefer something that a Gentoo ebuild exists for.
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2584 [21:59:27] <Unit193> I'm not aware as to what is and isn't in Gentoo.
2585 [21:59:29] <siwica> I guess I will try both aptly and mini-dinstall on my Ubuntu machine for now.
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2587 [22:00:33] <Unit193> If you can, I'd recommend 0.6.31 of mini-dinstall.
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2589 [22:01:15] <siwica> Ok, just installed that!
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2591 [22:01:34] <Unit193> If you need gpg2 support for the wrapper, I have a commit for that.
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2593 [22:02:32] <siwica> Ok, I'll have a look.
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2604 [22:08:08] <SerajewelKS> siwica: if you don't need the authentication features of ssh then ssh is worthless overhead and http will perform better, and be less complicated
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2606 [22:09:46] <guerby> ,kernel
2607 [22:09:47] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc7-686-pae (4.19~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); buster: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1);
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2626 [22:17:42] <siwica> SerajewelKS: I need the authentication features and since an ssh deamon is running anyways the setup will be easier as well I guess.
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2630 [22:18:47] <siwica> The packages sizes are going to be rather small and the repository will only serve a rather limited amount of people
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2638 [22:21:41] <Unit193> siwica: Properly gpg validated isn't too hard, but if everyone already has ssh access then perhaps it'd be easy enough.
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2707 [23:00:29] <\dev\cache> what would people in this room suggest for some form of integrity software and bitrot prevention features somewhat similar to zfs but without zfs?
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2748 [23:24:35] <Epakai> \dev\cache: something like replaced-url
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2755 [23:27:51] <watchcat> tripwire might be useful in that regard
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2761 [23:33:45] <BCMM> \dev\cache: "somewhat similar to zfs but without zfs" is, like, the definition of btrfs
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2779 [23:38:26] <Henry151> howdy #debian
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2783 [23:40:08] <Henry151> my laptop (lenovo thinkpad p51) running debian 9 just did something strange, where the screen started flickering and turning a pink shade, but only on the lower half of the screen. I would normally assume hardware problems -- like a loose connection or something -- but wiggling the screen back and forth did nothing to resolve it, while putting the laptop to sleep and waking it up again, did resolve it.
2784 [23:40:14] <Henry151> But then it happened again a few minutes later. I know this isn't necessarily a debian problem, but since I'm running debian, thought I'd ask here for any general ideas about what to look into.
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2787 [23:41:28] <SerajewelKS> Henry151: might depend on the video driver
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2791 [23:42:05] <Henry151> hm
2792 [23:42:29] <Henry151> i restarted the laptop, and it did the same thing a few minutes later. But now that i put it into sleep mode, and woke it back up, it hasn't done it again
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2804 [23:49:05] <jocic> Hey guys, how are you doing? I have one silly question regarding local APT repositories.
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2808 [23:51:11] <jocic> So, I created a local APT repository on my machine - replaced-url
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2816 [23:54:39] <jocic> I can use it normally by adding ex. "deb replaced-url
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2823 [23:59:45] <jocic> But is it possible to get rid of the "./" from the component without triggering a warning - W: Conflicting distribution: http:/localhost/test-rep/ stable InRelease (expected stable but got )
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