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0[00:00:11] <HelloShitty> hum, ok
1[00:00:13] <SerajewelKS> port forwarding is telling a NAT router to redirect new inbound traffic on specific ports to devices behind the router
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3[00:00:17] <HelloShitty> let me check about ufw
4[00:00:18] <bites> i already explained that.
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7[00:00:40] <HelloShitty> if I issue sudo ufw verbose
8[00:00:52] <HelloShitty> I can see a list of ports and actions on each port
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11[00:01:17] <HelloShitty> The thing is that I want my VPS to respond to ident requests from IRC networks
12[00:01:24] <HelloShitty> and I'm using oidentd
13[00:01:50] <HelloShitty> but I can't yet get the ident responses to reply to IRC network requests
14[00:01:52] <SerajewelKS> mada: for those situations i usually unplug the storage i don't want to wipe to prevent it from happening accidentally ;)
15[00:02:17] <joepublic> SerajewelKS, that is a *great* idea by the way.
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17[00:02:40] <SerajewelKS> HelloShitty: tcpdump will tell you if the packets are even reaching your server. tcpdump sniffs packets before netfilter (the kernel firewall) filters them.
18[00:02:57] <SerajewelKS> many providers block the ident port
19[00:03:18] <HelloShitty> on that verbose from ufw
20[00:03:25] <HelloShitty> I can't see the default ident port there
21[00:03:32] <joepublic> basically any use case that has "because I want to use IRC servers in some slightly unorthodox way" is frowned upon by many.
22[00:03:33] <HelloShitty> so, probably that is the problem
23[00:04:03] <HelloShitty> I need to allow that port to listen to connections from the 'outterspace'
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27[00:04:25] <joepublic> I am not questioning you nor your motives; just telling you a piece of information that may be helpful to you.
28[00:04:51] <SerajewelKS> HelloShitty: then three things have to happen: (1) your provider has to not block that port, (2) netfilter (managed by ufw) must permit new packets on that port, and (3) the listening server must bind to the wildcard address, or the external address
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33[00:05:33] <HelloShitty> joepublic: I think this is a common behaviour on IRC networks
34[00:05:41] <HelloShitty> to ask for the ident, and wait for a reply
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36[00:05:49] <SerajewelKS> it's also possible that the IRC server you're connecting to doesn't actually have ident enabled
37[00:06:03] <HelloShitty> I think it is not unorthodox
38[00:06:34] <HelloShitty> yes, that might be also a point to check
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40[00:07:06] <SerajewelKS> ident really has little value. and in fact can be considered a bad idea.
41[00:07:07] <HelloShitty> and SerajewelKS
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43[00:07:28] <SerajewelKS> (1) the remote system can lie about the user name. (2) if the remote system does not lie, it's exposing information about what users exist on the system.
44[00:07:28] <HelloShitty> all those setps you stated might be too much for me to handle alone
45[00:08:26] <SerajewelKS> and (3) it was primarily used for, IIRC, dealing with abusive users on shared systems. the system administrator would set up ident so that IRC server owners could ban individual users from their shared system.
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48[00:08:44] <SerajewelKS> shared systems are very uncommon these days
49[00:08:52] <joepublic> the fact-resistant are resistant to facts. all you can do is put it out there; it will help or not.
50[00:09:32] <SerajewelKS> so, to be honest, i wouldn't even worry about ident unless it's required for some reason. there's no benefit to you and there's no benefit to the IRC server operator. unless you just want the learning experience, which is also fine.
51[00:09:53] <HelloShitty> yeah
52[00:10:04] <HelloShitty> probably it's more about the learning thing
53[00:10:17] <HelloShitty> I don't needed it explicitely ofr anything specific
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55[00:10:37] <SerajewelKS> okay. first thing i would do is confirm that the server even supports ident.
56[00:10:44] <HelloShitty> I just stumble on something while I was trying to configure a channel in some network
57[00:11:05] <HelloShitty> while I was setting up an eggdrop
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59[00:11:24] <HelloShitty> in an irc network
60[00:11:26] <HelloShitty> using a znc
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63[00:11:53] <HelloShitty> and talking to somebody about znc configurations
64[00:12:21] <HelloShitty> they were explaining me about the irc structure of someones ID, so to speak
65[00:12:30] <HelloShitty> the *!*@some.host
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68[00:12:48] <HelloShitty> I was asking about the meaning of that *, the ! and the next *
69[00:13:01] <HelloShitty> and they were explaining me about that structure
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71[00:13:10] <HelloShitty> nick ! ident @ host
72[00:13:24] <HelloShitty> I didn't know that the ! was to separate the nick from the ident
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75[00:13:30] <HelloShitty> and then I went to check my own nick
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77[00:13:36] <HelloShitty> and I realized I had no ident
78[00:13:44] <HelloShitty> so, from there I tried to make it work
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346[03:05:16] <azamet> im using latest version of kali but because of grub installation not working im trying to install grub from live usb this is the fdisk-l output: replaced-url
347[03:06:15] <joepublic> Fortunately, pastebin has already taken down your paste. Begone.
348[03:06:46] <azamet> check the same link again
349[03:06:51] <azamet> it is now uploaded sorry for that
350[03:07:49] <themill> azamet: support for kali is in #kali-linux, so please keep it there, thanks.
351[03:07:57] <azamet> i dont know what the hell is wrong with this chat i write again
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353[03:08:16] <joepublic> My approach to this operation is not to use kali but rather the grub rescue disk, boot, then sudo update-grub.
354[03:08:30] <azamet> im using latest version of kali but because of grub installation not working im trying to install grub from live usb this is the fdisk-l output: replaced-url
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356[03:09:18] <joepublic> The advice I have given you is good advice.
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359[03:11:32] <joepublic> I rendered this very system unbootable installing an HDD and a SSD here a couple weeks ago, and super grub came to the rescue.
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398[03:41:59] <ahriman> hey everyone, what is the cron implementation in debian base?
399[03:42:45] <imMute> ahriman: appears to be ISC.
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401[03:42:57] <ahriman> thanks imMute
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480[04:55:12] <awal1> ,v chromium-sandbox
481[04:55:13] <judd> Package: chromium-sandbox on amd64 -- sid: 70.0.3538.67-3
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506[05:20:03] <geri> hi, i get the message: Warning: 'apt-key update' is deprecated and should not be used anymore! what is it replace with??
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573[06:28:58] <en1gma> i just got debian live mate i386 installed to my usb. i freshly booted and got network up and did apt update and apt upgrade
574[06:29:25] <en1gma> what is the easiest way to install openssh-server so i dont have problems with pam
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588[06:42:30] <mada> proprietary nvidia drivers not working, after rebooting i get a screen saying oops something went wrong. If I run nvidia-xconfig X can't even find the screen and thus doesn't start.
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631[07:23:54] <adamantium> Hi, I read in a guide for using backports, that I should also run apt install -t stretch-backports upgrade , (in addition to for individual packages), but to me doesn't this seem like bad advice? I'm currently only cherry picking a few packages.
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779[09:18:12] <darxmurf> morning
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782[09:18:59] <darxmurf> which permissions/acl should I set on my shared directory to allow windows users to change permissions on the main samba share ?
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784[09:20:00] <darxmurf> I can create and change permissions on subfolders but I can't change the rights on the main share.
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787[09:20:30] <darxmurf> I did chmod 777 those folders and added my admin group on them using setfacl
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901[10:40:33] <tiny> Hello! I'd like to "debianize" our software packages. If possible I'd like to have source and binary packages. We have various C/C++/Python/... projects and I'd like debian duo package (src/bin) for all. Is there a nice tutor that I can follow to do this? Most of the projects have Makefiles for building bins already.
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904[10:41:10] <themill> !packaging tutorial
905[10:41:10] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
906[10:41:40] <theluckymike> .list land aerial
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954[11:11:55] <ov3rmind> hello great guys here is a good time to say good morning
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960[11:16:47] <AquaL1te> hi, i was wondering. how do you (people in general) grade the out-of-the-box experience of the debian desktop? so that means when you install task-gnome-desktop. is your impression positive or do you think that it's kinda a mess? :) also, when you reply, i'm interested in what other distro's you use. because i come from fedora (still using it), but am really interested in the decisions that are made to
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962[11:16:53] <AquaL1te> setup the gnome desktop like this on debian (duplicate programs, games that most people are not interested). i just find it odd that it's designed like this and would like to know if other people would like to see changes.
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971[11:21:47] <jelly> AquaL1te: let's just say, as a long-time Debian user, I do not use Gnome at all
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974[11:23:14] <AquaL1te> jelly: which desktop environment do you use?
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978[11:23:46] <petn-randall> AquaL1te: Do you see duplicated programs on stable? Are they double in the same category, or just listed again in a different one?
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981[11:24:35] <n4dir> AquaL1te: i would say there are 3 approaches: a) install a DE during installation via it's task, and you will have everything you will never need in your life or b) install the metapackage[s] of a given DE, say xfce4 (no idea if such still exists for gnome) or c) install the most minimal version of a DE (which usually are a few packages, not one).
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988[11:26:18] <AquaL1te> petn-randall: i don't have my VM anymore, but when i tested it i saw duplicate applications for the same task e.g. 2 browsers, 2 video players, 2 music players, a bit along those lines. plus some stuff regular users have no use for. but can't go into much detail now. i was just interested if more people have this impression when they see their desktop for the first time after installation
989[11:26:52] <AquaL1te> n4dir: did that too :) installed the netinstall without anything selected in tasksel. then did `apt install gnome-core`, didn't work :(
990[11:27:23] <n4dir> AquaL1te: for gnome you need 2 or 3 more packages. The bot dpkg has a factoid about it, but i forgot the name of the factoid.
991[11:27:52] <petn-randall> !doesnt work
992[11:27:52] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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996[11:29:30] <protectionfault> Hi. When I try to change my keyboard layout in gnome settings, under "Region & Language", the dialog closes abruptly when I click the + to add a keyboard layout.
997[11:29:39] <protectionfault> Any suggestions on what to do next?
998[11:29:43] <AquaL1te> petn-randall: relax, i'm not trying to solve that problem. that's why i don't write all the specifics here, i just mention it. but if you're interested in what didn't work? there were missing files, systemd units couldn't start, installation was full of errors. i didn't investigate, because i wasn't looking for a new hobby. i just wanted to see if i could easily make debian like fedora
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1001[11:31:39] <AquaL1te> i'm just interested if this impression, that i got after install, is just my own or shared in this community. that's all :)
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1003[11:32:11] <AquaL1te> if it's shared, then maybe task-gnome-desktop-minimal would be a nice quick fix perhaps?
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1005[11:32:25] <protectionfault> When I check dmesg, it turns out that gnome-control-c is giving a segfault when I try to.
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1015[11:39:41] <petn-randall> AquaL1te: I can't reproduce your issue, but then again I don't know how you install it. If you want to help, it would be great if you could bring up specific issues. Without a way to reproduce it our options to improve it are quite limited.
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1021[11:44:02] <AquaL1te> petn-randall: i didn't do anything fancy, but the point that i brought this up is not to find a solution by manually collect meta-packages and then get a workable desktop environment. the reason i bring this up is that after you install debian with task-gnome-desktop you have to cherry pick stuff to remove again in order to get a workable desktop. why not just install the bare essentials from gnome and
1022[11:44:09] <AquaL1te> leave the additions to the user? if task-gnome-desktop can't be changed due to 'reasons', then maybe add a task called task-gnome-desktop-minimal which just brings you a gnome desktop, withouth any cruft. but i get the impression that this isn't seen as something that could use improvements
1023[11:44:09] <Slashman> hello, I want to disable the IPv6 autoconf on debian stretch, I have tried "net.ipv6.conf.all.accept_ra=0" but it doesn't change anything, I'm still seeing route like "default via fe80:: ...", I don't need this, I know the correct route in this case
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1026[11:47:06] <petn-randall> !gnome-install
1027[11:47:06] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
1028[11:47:12] <petn-randall> AquaL1te: Do you mean like this? ^^^
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1032[11:48:00] <AquaL1te> petn-randall: i think we're in a recursive loop :)
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1034[11:49:19] <petn-randall> AquaL1te: I don't know where you see a recursive loop. If you want to have a minimal gnome, there's a metapackage for it.
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1042[11:55:35] <AquaL1te> petn-randall: i'll try one more time :) why isn't gnome-core + some basic tools the task-gnome-desktop? why is there a task-gnome-desktop now that gives you a desktop where most people (novice and expert) are probably not happy about?
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1045[11:57:09] <petn-randall> AquaL1te: That's an unproven assumption of yours. Most people expect all gnome (gnome core + all the tools the source package ships) installed when they pick it.
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1049[11:58:04] <petn-randall> AquaL1te: It's a bit of endless debate discussing defaults. If you want to change them, you better bring up strong arguments why they should be changed. And Debian provides convenience tools (like metapackages) to ensure that you can customize your system as much as you want.
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1053[11:59:35] <n4dir> a) i didn't hear often that users complain about the task gnome to be broken in a way you described. and b) debian is not exactly known for giving the look-and-feel of DE's a lot of love. Hence the many distributions based on debian (which seem to care for such). c) assuming there is something broken, a bug report would be the way to go. d) If you don't like it the way it is: similar to c): the users here
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1055[11:59:41] <n4dir> can't change it.
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1058[12:00:26] <n4dir> might well be the DE's in debian have enhanced quite a bit. It's been a while i used one.
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1062[12:01:49] <volter> Hello!
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1064[12:02:35] <AquaL1te> petn-randall: i'm not saying it's proven (i never claim that it's true), i'm clearly asking here a few times what people think, all i get in response is "install the meta-package", while i'm asking about expectations ;) the default gnome install of debian is really not how a complete gnome desktop looks like. it's a true mess, fedora installs all gnome stuff as well and it's clean and usable, they don't
1065[12:02:41] <AquaL1te> apply extra distro specific 'magic'. that's why i'm surprised and wanted to hear what the community thinks. but seems like it's as is and intended to be like this and likely won't change. that's all i wanted to know.
1066[12:02:49] <volter> I'm struggling to figure out the easiest and most elegant way to treat a configuration file in packaging in order to get a .dpkg-new file on an upgrade.
1067[12:03:17] <volter> (Where configuration has changed from the original configuration in the previous version, of course.)
1068[12:03:39] <petn-randall> AquaL1te: I admire your motivation to improve things with Debian, but at least once a week someone pops by in this channel and says that X should be Y by default because it fits into their workflow. Debian *does* need a lot of improvement, especially on the desktop. But someone has to do the work, convince the maintainers, and provide patches. Until now nobody has stepped up to do it.
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1081[12:12:09] <petn-randall> volter: Are you packaging software, or are you asking how to treat it best on an installed system?
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1083[12:12:41] <AquaL1te> petn-randall: on a side note, in a new VM the gnome-core install doesn't fail. that indeed looks much better, still not where i was aiming for, but at least i keep installing things rather removing stuff (after installing, which is kinda unproductive). anyway, thank you all for your time. personally, i don't see why it needs convincing to clean-up the task-gnome-desktop. but it's not my daily distro
1084[12:12:47] <AquaL1te> anyway, so for now i'll just let it be. i was already happy that i could at least remove gnome-games after task-gnome-desktop, in the previous debian stable that resulted in remove gdm as well :)
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1095[12:21:12] <petn-randall> AquaL1te: That happens if you have autoremove enabled, and don't have the other packages marked as manually installed. It's not specific to the gnome packages.
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1121[12:31:43] <AquaL1te> good to know!
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1125[12:33:12] <petn-randall> AquaL1te: If you have gdm3 installed, and run 'apt install gdm3', it will simply mark it as manually installed, and then won't remove it in the future if any dependendant packages get removed.
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1127[12:36:12] <n4dir> petn-randall: with apt you don't need to --reinstall ?
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1129[12:37:07] <petn-randall> n4dir: Only if you want to reinstall.
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1131[12:38:24] <n4dir> perhaps i recall wrong, but i think if you have a package installed and will apt-get install it, you will be told it already is installed. But you said: it will set it to manually installed anyway?
1132[12:39:50] <petn-randall> n4dir: yes
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1134[12:40:08] <n4dir> oh, that is good. thanks for the explanation.
1135[12:40:32] <pagios> hi all, i have a debian 6 system and would like to upgrade to latest debaian 9, is it possible to upgrade from 6 to 9 in 1 shot or should i go 6,7,8,-> 9
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1137[12:40:58] <n4dir> 6,7,8,9.
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1140[12:41:17] <pagios> so apt-get upgrade, upgrade , dist-ugrade - reboot 4x
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1142[12:41:27] <pagios> update*
1143[12:41:33] <pagios> right?
1144[12:41:45] <n4dir> yup.
1145[12:41:53] <pagios> i hope all goes as planned :)
1146[12:41:56] <pagios> no missing steps?
1147[12:41:59] <petn-randall> pagios: Yes, skipping releases is not supported. So you have to go 6 -> 7 -> 8 -> 9.
1148[12:42:05] <pagios> ok
1149[12:42:12] <pagios> same goes for ubuntu i guess
1150[12:42:25] <n4dir> goog luck. I just upgraded old-old-stable to old-stable to stable, but it was cli only, so not as time consuming as it sounds
1151[12:42:25] <petn-randall> pagios: Although at this point I'd consider reinstalling 9 cleanly, and just migrating the data.
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1154[12:45:31] <pagios> why?
1155[12:45:35] <pagios> isnt it the same
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1157[12:45:39] <pagios> i mean as an end result
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1159[12:45:49] <n4dir> sure is much quicker.
1160[12:46:11] <n4dir> even if everything goes well. But if you have to troubleshoot here and there ...
1161[12:47:01] <pagios> got it
1162[12:47:06] <pagios> thanks community
1163[12:48:45] <petn-randall> pagios: In the grand scheme it'll be the same. However, for every upgrade you'll have to go through the release notes, and change things before and after upgrade. So a clean install it probably faster, and cleaner.
1164[12:49:29] <volter> petn-randall: I'm about packaging.
1165[12:49:50] <volter> petn-randall: It's actually about somebody else's package that I want to propose an improvement for.
1166[12:50:17] <volter> (And that is not part of Debian)
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1169[12:51:26] <petn-randall> volter: If a file is marked as "conffile", it won't be overwritten by an upgrade, and you will get the new config file as foo.dpkg-new.
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1172[12:52:23] <volter> petn-randall: That is putting its path in debian/conffiles?
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1174[12:53:43] <petn-randall> volter: yes, replaced-url
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1176[12:54:31] <petn-randall> volter: There /are/ ways to make a conffile upgrade more fancy, where it'll prompt you diff chunks to merge and such, but I haven't used those features before.
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1183[12:58:12] <volter> petn-randall: Hm, it says that automatically happens for files in /etc (I assume that includes sub-directories).
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1185[12:58:59] <volter> Either they are not using dh_installdeb or something else is wrong.
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1194[13:03:18] <scatterbrainz> morning
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1198[13:05:29] <rant> petn-randall: reeeeeally? Debconf does this?
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1201[13:06:34] <rant> I would find that interesting cause I never heard of this feature and last I checked debconf was unmaintained and considered complete
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1206[13:08:20] <rant> hmm.. seems debconf has been under development again.. news to me..
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1229[13:15:09] <Fox> tharkun: do you have any error log to show us ?
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1242[13:19:20] <tharkun> Fox: replaced-url
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1246[13:20:37] <tharkun> it complains about not setting sslcacertfile = /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt which is indeed present and that holds all the CA roots that I know Debian ships with.
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1250[13:21:45] <tharkun> Which I believe are all the ones given by ca-certificates packages. The courious thing is that Thunderbird has no isue reading and sending those.
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1256[13:23:30] <eto> hello i need help with rather peculiar issue on debian systems
1257[13:23:39] <tharkun> !ask
1258[13:23:39] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1262[13:25:24] <eto> we are using xslt transformations to process xml files - on no other but debian systems we are getting identical ids from time to time (xslt function geenrate-id())
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1265[13:26:25] <eto> xml spec state that these ids should be unique, but somehow on debian i am getting duplicates from time to time - who should i talk to?
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1268[13:27:18] <eto> should i try to identify package maintainer on my debian version and try to talk to them?
1269[13:28:42] <shtrb> eto check with testing , because your issue may had been solved
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1272[13:30:18] <eto> shtrb: i had a hunch there are multiple timelines with debian - so i have to somehow switch to another one
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1274[13:30:50] <eto> something like that>
1275[13:30:52] <eto> ?
1276[13:30:58] <themill> eto: can you pastebin a simple reproduce case?
1277[13:31:15] <shtrb> make sure that you also are running for different nodes (because running for the same node should get the same id each time
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1279[13:31:42] <Fox> tharkun: can you start offlineimap like that "offlineimap -u ttyui -1" and paste the output ?
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1282[13:31:57] <eto> themill: probably not possible - too many layers (php<->php-xslt<->libxslt) and seems to depend on unpredictable factors
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1284[13:32:05] <eto> themill: but happens quite often
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1287[13:32:26] <shtrb> eto can you reproduce it ?
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1289[13:32:35] <eto> shtrb: yes that behaviour is preserved we are pretty sure the nodes are different
1290[13:32:37] <themill> eto: hard to investigate without something
1291[13:32:49] <shtrb> e.g. have a docker image that reproduce it and push it somewhere
1292[13:33:03] <shtrb> the most minimal example
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1294[13:33:19] <eto> themill, shtrb: i know it really vague i have no idea how would i even tackle that
1295[13:34:27] <shtrb> eto, one thing to do is to have a preroducibale env. (docker/vbox or some other poison )
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1304[13:36:51] <tharkun> Fox: replaced-url
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1306[13:36:59] <themill> eto: ids are only unique within a document
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1308[13:37:55] <csehl> trying to install teamviewer, dpkg -i tv.deb tells me i'm missing a bunch of qt5 packages, for example libqt5qml5. i tried apt-file search libqt5qml5 without much luck after all
1309[13:37:55] <Fox> tharkun: and did you try setting sslcacertfile = /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt in your offlineimaprc ?
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1312[13:39:03] <tharkun> Fox: Yes, initial line I posted
1313[13:39:08] <Fox> oh, sorry
1314[13:39:09] <themill> csehl: dpkg talks in terms of packages not files; you might try "apt install ./foo.deb"
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1316[13:39:58] <tharkun> Fox: no worries. It happens
1317[13:40:07] <Fox> tharkun: you'll surely have more info with debug: offlineimap -dALL
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1319[13:40:21] <n4dir> might be i did it wrong, but the few times i got missing deps for dpkg -i *deb, the following command "apt-get install -f" installed them.
1320[13:40:27] <eto> themill: are you sure? where are you picking that from please?
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1322[13:41:48] <csehl> themill: themill replaced-url
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1325[13:42:36] <csehl> themill: i found instructions how to solve the problem by adding architecture i386 entirely. i don't want that though, since i expect many unwanted packages to be pulled in from then on
1326[13:42:47] <tharkun> Fox: diff output to the previous one is nothing. Sami information.
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1329[13:43:47] <themill> eto: replaced-url
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1334[13:44:56] <themill> csehl: what architecture is this package?
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1338[13:47:13] <csehl> themill: teamviewer.com said x86_64bit
1339[13:47:30] <themill> what release of debian is this?
1340[13:48:02] <csehl> themill: debian 9.5: Linux ph-g 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u6 (2018-10-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1346[13:49:16] <csehl> even though all "missing packages" regard qt5, i do have qt5core installed
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1348[13:49:54] <themill> precisely which package do you have?
1349[13:50:17] <shtrb> Anyone with access to Quadro P2000 can say what's it's lspci output ?
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1352[13:52:24] <csehl> themill: replaced-url
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1356[13:53:51] <themill> I'd love to see the command and the whole output
1357[13:54:21] <themill> csehl: can you also pastebin all of "apt-cache policy"?
1358[13:54:53] <csehl> themill: replaced-url
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1361[13:56:29] <themill> csehl: what does "apt --fix-broken install" do, that might just be a left over from your previous attempt, actually
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1363[13:56:59] <csehl> themill: this is the first time i've been trying to install teamviewer on this brand new debian installation; trying it though
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1374[14:00:03] <csehl> actually --fix-broken is installing those qt5 packages, now telling me teamviewer is installed. starting teamviewer starts the teamviewerd, says it's starting the gui in console, does not show any GUI at all though
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1376[14:00:07] <glaucom> hi all good morning...
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1378[14:00:34] <glaucom> i need help to install my nvidia 3.702835] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: bus: MMIO write of 0000551f FAULT at 6013d4 [ IBUS ]
1379[14:00:38] <csehl> themill: ps aux | grep teamv = root 7085 0.0 0.0 1389060 10296 ? Sl 13:57 0:00 /opt/teamviewer/tv_bin/teamviewerd -d
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1382[14:01:23] <themill> csehl: I saw it came with config to start some sort of listener. Can't say I know anything about it beyond that though.
1383[14:01:56] <petn-randall> glaucom: Don't ask to ask, just ask :)
1384[14:01:58] <csehl> says Launching TeamViewer GUI ... on console though; i'll read up about it
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1387[14:02:59] <glaucom> ?
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1389[14:03:53] <petn-randall> glaucom: What do you need help with? Is it working fine?
1390[14:04:29] <glaucom> very slow gnome...
1391[14:04:52] <glaucom> i have nvidia 740m notebook, i need install correct driver :(
1392[14:05:02] <petn-randall> glaucom: What OS release are you running?
1393[14:05:17] <glaucom> Uploaded file: replaced-url
1394[14:05:41] <petn-randall> glaucom: That didn't answer my question, though.
1395[14:05:53] <csehl> themill: finding many people with the same problem. what a mess
1396[14:06:18] <petn-randall> glaucom: When you install this system, what OS did you install on it?
1397[14:06:23] <petn-randall> *installed
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1399[14:07:00] <themill> csehl: don't you just run 'teamviewer'?
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1402[14:07:37] <glaucom> hostnamectl > replaced-url
1403[14:07:43] <csehl> themill: i do, and this is expected to launch a GUI and the daemon. results in only the daemon
1404[14:08:00] <themill> csehl: what user are you running it as?
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1406[14:08:15] <csehl> themill: here they apparently found out, that you absolutely need a DM to launch it replaced-url
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1408[14:08:19] <petn-randall> glaucom: Can you run 'apt-cache policy' on a terminal and send us the output?
1409[14:08:23] <csehl> themill: doesn't make a difference, root or non-root
1410[14:08:35] <themill> csehl: well it has to be run as the logged in user. Works fine here
1411[14:09:07] <glaucom> replaced-url
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1413[14:09:09] <csehl> themill: i'm using tty login, no dm
1414[14:09:32] <themill> tty login meaning what?
1415[14:09:42] <petn-randall> glaucom: Is there a reason why you're running buster/testing?
1416[14:10:02] <csehl> a terminal login prompt, if tty=tty1 and user=mynonroot, then startx (bashrc)
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1420[14:10:54] <glaucom> I installed version 9.5 yesterday and thought that testing would be better. and then I have this problem. :(
1421[14:11:12] <themill> csehl: there is much setting up of an X session that you need to do these days. Either do all the bits yourself or use a DM to do it for you.
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1423[14:11:44] <csehl> themill: which really shouldn't make a difference, since i'm still running a normal window-manager and all other software runs just fine. it just seems the teamviewer coders are 'special'
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1428[14:12:27] <petn-randall> glaucom: testing is not released yet, and many things are currently broken there. Especially non-free drivers won't work for extended periods of time, because they usually are produced for specific kernel versions in mind. I recommend reinstalling stable.
1429[14:12:33] <themill> csehl: no, it just means that the other things you are running aren't using various libraries
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1432[14:13:03] <csehl> themill: where can i get an overview of all the bits needed?
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1434[14:13:49] <themill> csehl: it's probably dbus and possibly also pulse
1435[14:14:02] <glaucom> lol
1436[14:14:22] <glaucom> living and learning...
1437[14:14:34] <petn-randall> that would be "lal" :P
1438[14:15:14] <glaucom> this for sample ? replaced-url
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1442[14:18:52] <csehl> themill: is there a text-only dm available? this is all nonsense - i'm running much more complicated software that uses qt5. this really shouldn't be a concern of the userland software itself
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1444[14:20:01] <themill> text only dm?
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1446[14:20:16] <csehl> i'm trying to avoid a GUI login prompt
1447[14:20:54] <themill> nodm works fine
1448[14:21:31] <tharkun> Fox: Any aditional ideas?
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1453[14:26:30] <Fox> tharkun: not yet sorry, I'm at work and don't get much time today
1454[14:26:43] <csehl> themill: thanks for your help, retrying with nodm
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1458[14:26:59] <tharkun> Fox: No worries. I will get the ssl fingerprint for the time beeing just to get things running
1459[14:27:07] <tharkun> Thanks a lot for your time
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1494[14:43:33] <kishmesh> hi. is it possible to fsck.f2fs with debian "live"?
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1512[14:51:52] <quadbootman> hi i made a mistake in my fstab and i think it is the reason for being unable to boot up: the boot stops and says emergency mode
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1514[14:52:16] <quadbootman> i tried to boot using rescue mode with the USB but i cant seem to mount my device to edit the fstab.. any hints?
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1548[15:05:43] <petn-randall> quadbootman: How is mounting your root filesystem failing?
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1554[15:08:06] <quadbootman> just got it to work, nevermind
1555[15:08:15] <quadbootman> i had to give it -t ext4
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1557[15:08:44] <quadbootman> and i dont know if the slash at the end makes a difference in: /mnt/debian(/)
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1564[15:11:50] <rafalcpp> how to allow TRACE in iptables? iptables -t raw -A INPUT -j TRACE -> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
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1570[15:12:55] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Do you have a target called "TRACE"? Because otherwise the command doesn't make sense.
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1577[15:15:32] <rafalcpp> nevermind, it's PREROUTING or OUTPUT, not INPUT there. petn-randall TRACE is built-in target for debugging iptables that Im trying to learn on debian
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1582[15:16:45] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Yep. You also need the right kernel modules, but it seems you have them.
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1610[15:36:11] <darxmurf> damn, I have to say, CentOS is 1000x more convenient to configure samba, krb, sssd, ad
1611[15:36:14] <darxmurf> damn
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1613[15:37:35] <TiTanT> Hi, I want to make a backup of some files and folders, but I don't want to backup the "data" folder, which is very big. I think about use "tar cfvz backup.tar.gz *" but that would include the data folder which is a subfolder of the current directory. How can I do it?
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1615[15:38:43] <petn-randall> TiTanT: You could list all files instead of *. But I recommend using a proper backup tool, as you'll stumble over tons of small problems doing this all by hand, which backup tools conveniently solve.
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1617[15:39:12] <TiTanT> @petn-randall do you have a example for such a tool?
1618[15:39:16] <greycat> If you turn on bash's extglob, you could use !(data) to enumerate all of the files other than "data", assuming they will fit on a single command line.
1619[15:39:19] <TiTanT> I would do it by hand via bash-script
1620[15:39:53] <greycat> You could also use find's -prune and feed the list of input files on stdin instead of letting tar recurse. Or you could attempt to use tar's --exclude feature.
1621[15:39:59] <TiTanT> @greycat how would that look like? : "tar cfvz backup.tar.gz !(data) "?
1622[15:40:10] <greycat> TiTanT: you have to turn on "shopt -s extglob" first.
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1624[15:40:23] <jelly> darxmurf: realmd exists in debian 8 and 9 if you just need AD users and groups and even krb/SSO. No idea about the samba stuff.
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1626[15:40:28] <TiTanT> @greycat but then it works?
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1629[15:40:48] <greycat> Stick an "echo" in front of it to see how it expands.
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1631[15:41:22] <darxmurf> jelly: it's a mess in debian in fact for sssd config files and all
1632[15:41:25] <jelly> darxmurf: and since sssd is basically a RH product it's no surprise RHEL fork like CentOS would work better with that stuff
1633[15:41:32] <darxmurf> voilà :-/
1634[15:41:32] <chocolate> what's the best way to stream a playlist.m3u on debian textmode?
1635[15:41:33] <petn-randall> TiTanT: If you like working with the CLI, I wholeheartedly recommend borgbackup.
1636[15:41:38] <n_1-c_k> TiTanT: tar has an '--exclude' flag for this case.
1637[15:42:04] <darxmurf> jelly: I will probably move this server under CentOS to avoid messy configs :-/
1638[15:42:11] <jelly> darxmurf: realmd prepared most of that stuff for our use case. Then we ditched AD backend for direct LDAP
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1641[15:43:00] <darxmurf> I could configure that in 5 min under CentOS, then I tried again under Debian using more-less the same things and it's way more complicated
1642[15:43:06] <jelly> honestly the version of sssd stuff in Debian seemed a bit unstable with AD backend
1643[15:43:14] <darxmurf> sad :-/
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1645[15:43:30] <jelly> files bugs, fix things -- they won't fix themselves on their own
1646[15:44:09] <darxmurf> that's why I will keep CentOS on this baby. And by the way, the default kernel allows me to see my RAID card
1647[15:44:19] <darxmurf> under debian I have to install the one from the backports
1648[15:44:42] <petn-randall> darxmurf: The CentOS release has a newer kernel.
1649[15:44:54] <darxmurf> yep
1650[15:45:13] <TiTanT> okay thank you all. I think if I have time, I'll use borgbackup. But I think the --exclude flag should do his job ^^
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1653[15:46:38] <greycat> People really like --exclude because they don't have to think about the big picture.
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1658[15:49:44] <petn-randall> TiTanT: I used rdiff-backup for the longest time, a full system backup was around 6 hours, from SSD to a 3TB rotating disk. With borg the first backup was about 60 minutes, and every subsequent one is about 5-6 minutes.
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1672[15:58:25] <arfnir> hi. test
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1682[16:03:19] <dcpc007> hi, on "shared" server user account, i use command_prompt=history -a to have history writtent in live. but on the other terms i have not the updates available until i relog ... is there a method .
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1684[16:03:44] <dcpc007> history seems to read only its cache and not reread .bash_history (that is really well updated)
1685[16:04:41] <greycat> That is not the correct syntax for setting a command in a bash variable, and that is not the correct variable name.
1686[16:04:53] <greycat> Care to guess again?
1687[16:04:54] <jelly> dcpc007: using /bin/bash as login shell?
1688[16:05:00] <dcpc007> yep
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1692[16:05:15] <dcpc007> maybe i need another command to reread the file
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1694[16:05:32] <greycat> Apart from that, OF COURSE your other terminals do not magically inherit the history from the afflicted shell.
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1696[16:05:51] <greycat> If you want that. which I think is idiotic and stupid and horribly dangerous, you want ksh.
1697[16:05:52] <jelly> can bash not do that or what?
1698[16:05:59] <dcpc007> basic yes, but with the config i mention, .bash_history is written in live
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1700[16:06:09] <dcpc007> (with 1 command delta)
1701[16:06:17] <greycat> When I switched from ksh to bash, the lack of dangerous "surprise history" from other people was one of the BEST improvements.
1702[16:06:33] <greycat> I cannot FATHOM why anyone would want surprise history.
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1704[16:06:58] <dcpc007> yes but here we need to have shared history, as we work on a project with an applicative ccount and need to get what other typed before
1705[16:07:02] <jelly> zsh can save history from all shells by "setopt APPEND_HISTORY"
1706[16:07:22] <jelly> I don't know if there's a way to immediately read it all the time
1707[16:07:59] <greycat> So you're working along and you run "make", and then you change something in another window, and then you want to run make again, so in this window, you hit ESC k (or up-arrow or Ctrl-P or whatever) and Enter. Because you expect that to run "make" again. BUT SURPRISE!!!!
1708[16:08:21] <greycat> It runs rm -rf * instead, because someone else typed that in between your two commands.
1709[16:08:35] <greycat> And people WANT THIS?!?!?
1710[16:08:51] <jelly> apparently some people do, so maybe less RANTS more help?
1711[16:08:52] * petn-randall gives greycat a warm glass of milk.
1712[16:09:06] <dcpc007> that(s what does history -a i think ?
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1715[16:09:18] <greycat> My attempt to help is in pointing out how incredibly stupid and dangerous this is, ESPECIALLY since he already said this is a "shared project".
1716[16:09:40] <greycat> Oops, he said "shared history". Same thing, I believe.
1717[16:09:49] <petn-randall> greycat: Well, you may educate people, and those people can decide for themselves.
1718[16:10:00] <dcpc007> it can be as stupid than autorised copy§/paste with shortcut or mouse then
1719[16:10:19] <dcpc007> simply never hit enter without looking your screen ... on important servers
1720[16:10:51] <n4dir> not sure if that will work in real life all the time.
1721[16:11:10] <n4dir> muscle memory and such. i often hit enter without wanting it.
1722[16:11:21] <dcpc007> but here, if i don't have this (for the current process), i have to ask other admin to copy/paste its try of command each 2 lines
1723[16:11:24] <greycat> Then you had better never ever ever ever use csh-style history expansion either. !! and so on don't even give you a chance to review before executing the other command.
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1725[16:11:54] <learnerwind> (learnerwind) I am trying to run a program only in console. But when i close the lid it stops . How cold i prevent it?
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1727[16:12:20] <at0m> learnerwind: run it as "command &"
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1730[16:13:09] <tharkun> dcpc007: I think you are trying to solve and administrative isue with a technical solution. Get your admin/manager or whatever to do things correctly. If you need some access to certain executable you might as well draw it up and find a sane and safe way to do so.
1731[16:13:18] <petn-randall> learnerwind: I'm assuming it's because your laptop is suspending or hibernating.
1732[16:13:18] <annadane> so what i'm getting from this is avoid ksh and csh... i'm still experimenting with shells and installed zsh and fish
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1734[16:13:33] <annadane> those are pretty mainstream, though
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1737[16:13:46] <learnerwind> At0m: Can i send a sign and them use bg?
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1740[16:14:04] <dcpc007> ha in the man i found another option..n -n or -c does some reread
1741[16:14:05] <at0m> petn-randall, learnerwind oh "close the lid" i misread that for "close it (the console)"
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1743[16:14:14] <greycat> csh should be avoided, yes. But I was talking about the csh-style history expansion that bash uses. Which was kind of a tangent, because it assumed that he would somehow magically teach bash to do ksh-style surprise history first, and then layer bash's csh-style history expansion on top of that.
1744[16:14:16] <learnerwind> How cuold i get the progress and output?
1745[16:14:44] <learnerwind> At0m: :)
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1747[16:14:48] <tharkun> annadane: Shells are like shirts you use them until you find a pretier one and then you either ditch your previous shell or you eventually come back to it. YMMV
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1749[16:14:59] <dcpc007> it's not executable, we are working at 2 on the same subject on the same serveur. (i was trying to use shared tmux too :) )
1750[16:15:02] <n4dir> learnerwind: not sure if it works, as i don't close the lid, but consider screen or tmux ?
1751[16:15:09] <petn-randall> learnerwind: Configure your machine to not hibernate or suspend on lid close. Usually your DE has options for that.
1752[16:15:09] <greycat> But as tharkun said, he really seems just to want to be able to review a real-time log of what other people have done. And his existing solution (that he bungled when he tried to describe it) that writes history to .bash_history in "real time", should suffice.
1753[16:15:24] <__m4ch1n3__> should i first do "apt-get upgrade" before i do "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
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1756[16:15:48] <annadane> __m4ch1n3__, for what? depends on the upgrades you have
1757[16:15:55] <learnerwind> petn-randall: Yeah. How do i prevent it?
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1759[16:16:10] <dcpc007> greycat, yes :) similar, or at least, when i must take another call, be able to retake the hand on the config
1760[16:16:12] <tharkun> dcpc007: Still the separation of responsabilities on your organization is screwed. There are lots of questions that come to my mind as to the why your are doing it. Then beyond the scope of this channel.
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1763[16:16:52] <dcpc007> here it's a new admin, that don't know as well, i try to let him work the most, but need often to help/correct the precedent try he had done
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1766[16:17:10] <petn-randall> learnerwind: As I said, configure it in your Desktop environment.
1767[16:17:12] <learnerwind> petn-randall: I am shooted of the de to improve speed
1768[16:17:23] <dcpc007> but i think i've found what i need with history -n or -c (need to test the difference)
1769[16:17:41] <dcpc007> currently i have to logout/login each time he need
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1773[16:18:58] <__m4ch1n3__> annadane, apt-get upgrade says that packages are hold back, just want have pkgs uptodate (buster to buster ubgrade)
1774[16:18:59] <tharkun> dcpc007: An hour long meeting with the proper current requirements and a good attitude gets that fixed. But if you want to shoot your team's foot, I will not stop you. tmux, screen, wemux (I think that is the name) all have the functionality I understand you are looking for. Micromanagement is not a good option.
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1777[16:19:27] <annadane> __m4ch1n3__, it very much depends. but for buster, the right channel is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
1778[16:19:34] <annadane> !tell __m4ch1n3__ about bat
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1780[16:19:51] <annadane> start by asking there
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1783[16:20:46] <nemo> So... I was considering changing the core Hedgewars game font after a brief discussion with debian package maintainer - who currently replaces it with a debian packaged font since it is at present DejaVu Sans. Reason being, looks like DejaVu Sans hasn't released since 2016 and, well, folks using games like typing in emojis and such
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1785[16:21:07] <annadane> even for Stable, the answer is "it depends", you should intelligently solve conflicts and not just force it through without understanding what's going on
1786[16:21:22] <nemo> His only request was that I use one that debian has. But he had no suggestions as to what that might be
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1788[16:21:55] <nemo> I was wondering if anyone had a recommendation for sans-serif debian font with decent emoji support
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1797[16:25:10] <n4dir> annadane: depending on how much shells you want to experiment with: mksh seems to have little hype too. I for one sure can't tell you about advantages or dangers though.
1798[16:25:40] * n4dir will start with different shells once he understood bash. That is: never.
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1802[16:27:08] <dcpc007> tharkun, i regularly use history on "applictive" account, and since 6 years at least, i don't remember do a mistake by taken a wrong command line i don't see
1803[16:27:54] <dcpc007> i should be fool... but generally, i read the line i take before hit enter ...
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1808[16:28:47] <dcpc007> but thx anyway, sure that not all people works with the sames methods or habits
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1811[16:30:51] <dcpc007> (and sorry, not sure what i say is always ok, not english :) )
1812[16:31:29] <annadane> people who apologize for their english usually speak fine english
1813[16:31:39] <annadane> what you say is understandable
1814[16:31:46] <tharkun> dcpc007: mistakes are called that way for a reason. When you drive your car it is not you the reason you are wearing a seatbelt. There are also other people around with different priorities and different habits. As for your English it is good enough for me, I am not a native speakier either.
1815[16:31:53] <en1gma> just installed debian-live-gnome i386 to a celeron 2.53ghz single core with 256MB ram. i want to boot into console. whats best way to do this?
1816[16:32:05] <annadane> i *am* a native speaker and most of the non natives speak it better than i do
1817[16:32:07] <en1gma> the usb install is a usb-hdd install basically
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1819[16:32:24] <en1gma> i want to go headless
1820[16:32:37] <en1gma> ssh over wifi
1821[16:32:45] <en1gma> on local lan
1822[16:33:03] <tharkun> en1gma: Just kill the DM and you are done.
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1825[16:34:03] <jasperarcola> en1gma: something like: systemctl disable lightdm; systemctl mask lightdm
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1828[16:34:24] <jasperarcola> That assumes that it's using lightdm. It might be GDM? not sure these days
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1830[16:35:00] <greycat> The most common ones I've seen recently are lightdm, gdm3 and sddm.
1831[16:35:15] <greycat> Mostly it depends on which (if any) desktop env is chosen during install.
1832[16:35:22] <jelly> !nodm
1833[16:35:22] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
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1840[16:40:13] <dcpc007> tharkun, yes, i read about other problems with this technic, like the !54 that could change if you don't check just before exec it
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1842[16:40:31] <dcpc007> rarely a perfect fail-proof solution
1843[16:40:31] <en1gma> im not sure if im in gfm or lightdm
1844[16:40:44] <en1gma> i usually use ubuntu but ubuntu is picky on these older machines
1845[16:40:49] <dcpc007> maybe i'll keep history -a only on auto
1846[16:41:07] <en1gma> debian live gnome is working barely :) need to be in cosole only. need memory :)
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1848[16:41:20] <en1gma> 256MB is killing me
1849[16:41:30] <dcpc007> but add a custom alias command to reload the common history (or manually do history -n, it works)
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1851[16:42:13] <dcpc007> currently i have multiple tmux with 6 // panels to configure/check new environnment, i don't want to close/reopen all too frequently :)
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1853[16:42:31] <AndreasLutro> using debian stable, I find that my rxvt-unicode-256color is sluggish UNLESS I run compton. however, when I run compton, there are weird screen tearing issues in chrome. both with stable 4.9 kernel and 4.18 from backports. it was fine before I reinstalled debian from scratch 2 days ago, though chrome may have been updated since then, but is there anything else I should try to upgrade from backports?
1854[16:42:34] <en1gma> im at the login screen and my best bet now is to open a tty and i can work from in there. even have some memory free but i think if i could boot straight to console i would save the most memory. just need openssh working and wifi auto connecting
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1856[16:42:56] <dcpc007> and i don't know enough of tmux to create automated opening of a 6-pack login
1857[16:43:06] <n4dir> en1gma: why did you use the live to CD to install then? dpkg -l | grep -i 'gdm\|lightdm' should tell you wich of both is installed. there are probably smarter ways, but that's where i would start.
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1860[16:43:59] <dcpc007> nd maybe my bad, i often open multiple terminal myself, and dont remember where i write my last 8 piped command to extarct a result from a log/config
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1862[16:44:16] <dcpc007> then with my config, i have on all my terms easely
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1865[16:46:12] <en1gma> n4dir at the boot menu i can press "e" on keyboard and add "single" to the boot line?
1866[16:46:31] <n4dir> jelly already gave you all the info you need.
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1868[16:47:06] <en1gma> i first need to get wifi to auto-connect. checked every debian live i386 distro. xfce, mante and now gnome. didnt check cinnamon
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1870[16:48:44] <en1gma> i dont want to use lan cord. i would prefer to use my usb wifi adapter (linksys n600v2 i believe). right now im corded and have not added my adapter to computer.
1871[16:49:13] <en1gma> do i need to get wifi auto connect working first before i go straight to console or do i do it from gui
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1881[16:54:35] <en1gma> i been having huge problem getting the wifi adapter to "STICK" during reboots. meaning it will not auto connect to my wifi router
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1883[16:55:16] <en1gma> i have to kill the wpa_supplicant and kill dhcp then give wpa command and dhclient command then it connects to wifi
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1886[16:55:33] <en1gma> this was with debian live i386 xfce and mate
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1890[16:56:18] <en1gma> should i be able to add my usb wifi adapter and then (through the gui) be able to pick a wifi i can see and then connect and then enter my wpa2 password
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1892[16:56:35] <en1gma> and it be saved and "AUTO Started and Connect"
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1894[16:56:57] <en1gma> im on a clean system install and updated. dont want to mess this up
1895[16:57:24] <glaucom> hii all, i have debian 9.5 i need switch noveal intel , to nvidia 740m
1896[16:57:31] <glaucom> any help
1897[16:57:41] <en1gma> wifi has been a lil biatch with debian-live-i386 xfce and mate. can someone help on this
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1900[16:58:11] <glaucom> Intel® Ivybridge Mobile
1901[16:58:14] <en1gma> im using debian-live-i386 installed to usb-flash and all is going well. fully updated and stands reboot
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1905[16:58:34] <annadane> what are the standard groups to add your user to when installing virt-manager, just kvm and libvirt?
1906[16:58:37] <n4dir> en1gma: that is how wicd worked for me. These days network-manager is the recommended one, but i assume it does that too. Short version: yes, that should work.
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1921[17:06:06] <petn-randall> glaucom: I'd start by installing a kernel from backports.
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1924[17:07:15] <petn-randall> Oh wait, ivybridge is quite old.
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1927[17:07:37] <petn-randall> Or quitting, I guess :/
1928[17:07:51] <linux_noob> i get the following error message when trying to boot. replaced-url
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1935[17:08:31] <en1gma> n4dir it did (not) work with debian-live-xfce and debian-live mate
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1937[17:08:39] <en1gma> through the gui
1938[17:08:53] <en1gma> i had to do it in console with wpa and dhclient commands
1939[17:09:00] <en1gma> and it would not save in between boots
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1942[17:09:40] <en1gma> well it might have saved but it wouldnt auto connect the wifi when lan cord was unplugged and it would not chose wifi if lan cord was plugged in
1943[17:11:39] <en1gma> this is thE debian channel right? why is the wifi not being able to be auto connected on boot?
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1946[17:12:22] <en1gma> i can test right now with my usb wifi adapter but i dont want to mess any settings up with system by connecting it if there is a "TRICKY" way to do this
1947[17:13:09] <en1gma> i should just be able to plug my wifi adapter in. looks for networks from the little system tray icon uptop right. select the wifi router i want to connect to then enter my wpa2 password
1948[17:13:26] <en1gma> i then should be able to select use this wifi connection by default
1949[17:13:41] <en1gma> (which all those settings) are there but guess what
1950[17:13:44] <en1gma> they dont work
1951[17:13:46] <en1gma> lol
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1956[17:14:33] <en1gma> im gonna try my usb wifi adapter with this debian-gnome install. 1 sec
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1965[17:17:51] <pagios> hi all, i am having a weird problem i rebooted my debian machine, and it stops booting i just get grub and then a blinking cursor, any idea how to recover please? I tried to boot in recovery mdoe from grub same freezing blinking cursor
1966[17:18:02] <jhutchins_wk> en1gma: You would not expect changes made when running a live image to persist through a reboot. If there's some reason the live image doesn't set your wifi up correctly, you're going to have to deal with that at every boot.
1967[17:18:47] <SerajewelKS> pagios: boot the installer in recovery mode and walk through until you can "execute a shell within the target environment"
1968[17:18:48] <jhutchins_wk> en1gma: wifi has a lot of locked-down proprietary implementations that aren't easy to automatically deal with in open source software.
1969[17:18:58] <en1gma> its not a live image as i only used the live usb stick to "Install" to usb-flash
1970[17:19:04] <en1gma> so its a real install
1971[17:19:06] <jhutchins_wk> en1gma: You also didn't say WHICH live image you used.
1972[17:19:47] <pagios> SerajewelKS, boot from cd
1973[17:19:49] <pagios> ?
1974[17:19:51] <en1gma> i have used 3 debian live images so far. started with debian-live-current-i386-xfce then upgraded to mate and now upgraded to gnome
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1976[17:20:11] <SerajewelKS> pagios: generally, anything you can boot to and chroot to your install should be fine
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1978[17:20:21] <SerajewelKS> though booting from USB is not really something i've done a lot so i may not be that much help
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1980[17:20:42] <SerajewelKS> i've just had many systems where grub spontaneously stops booting correctly, so i've repaired a lot of such cases
1981[17:20:43] <en1gma> i plugged in my usb adabpeter and the blue light did not come on like usual. the wireless applet does open a wireless settings in there but while searching its not working
1982[17:20:55] <pagios> SerajewelKS, alright and then ?
1983[17:21:00] <en1gma> maybe i should reboot with usb adapter plugged in?
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1985[17:21:06] <SerajewelKS> pagios: rebuild the grub config and reinstall grub
1986[17:21:17] <SerajewelKS> update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever
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1988[17:21:43] <pagios> so most probably its a grub problem/
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1990[17:22:28] <en1gma> just powered down. starting up with linksys usb adapter plugged in this time
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1995[17:23:52] <en1gma> jhutchins_wk did you see my messages?
1996[17:24:01] <pagios> i will try to build from the d its debian 6
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2002[17:25:31] <jelly> en1gma: you'll have to use the images with non-free firmware for most wifi cards/sticks
2003[17:25:35] <jelly> !firmware live
2004[17:25:35] <dpkg> Unofficial <live> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for Debian 9 "Stretch" as a live OS are available at replaced-url
2005[17:26:07] <en1gma> jelly i have those too
2006[17:26:10] <jelly> or live + persistency and add firmware separately
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2008[17:26:41] <en1gma> i have used those images when installing and they find my wifi adapter and i can select my wifi adapter but guess what it dont save my wifi connection at 1st boot after install
2009[17:26:42] <jelly> you mentioned you got persistence working a while back, or was it someone else
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2011[17:27:14] <en1gma> it was me but i needed a real install. just didnt think i could do one becuase of min system specs
2012[17:27:27] <en1gma> i got around that with debian-live installs (non gui)
2013[17:27:30] <jhutchins_wk> en1gma: There's no need to reinstall Debian in order to switch desktops, just install the new one you want on top of the old. The base/core software is all the same, and you can run all of the different desktops from the same install.
2014[17:27:41] <jelly> yeah, real install is probably a better idea
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2016[17:28:21] <jhutchins_wk> en1gma: Installing from the live images is something that is expected to not always work.
2017[17:28:24] <en1gma> jhutchins_wk the help i need is with the wifi connection manager. i either need to get rid of it or whatever. ideally i need a steady wifi connection that is auto-connected to wifi (prefer to set manual ip)
2018[17:28:58] <en1gma> cant i just disable all networking and use /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
2019[17:29:32] <en1gma> i need to have wifi working and at a bootup console. dont really care about desktops at all unless its needed to setup an automatic wifi connection
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2021[17:29:57] <en1gma> if the automatic wifi connection can be done in console (which i prefer) it would be great so no gui at all
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2024[17:30:26] <en1gma> only reason im in a gui with 256mb ram (its really slow believe me) is to setup the wifi connection basically
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2027[17:30:47] <en1gma> you would think if the wifi connection is set up right in the gui that it would be fine when i boot to console
2028[17:30:50] <jhutchins_wk> en1gma: You should be able to do that, and if an interface is configured through the interfaces files things like Network Manager should avoid messing with it.
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2030[17:30:52] <greycat> replaced-url
2031[17:31:00] <greycat> that may have some suggestions for console-based tools
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2035[17:31:45] <en1gma> jhutchins_wk i disable the network.service and something was still taking control of /etc/wpa_wupplicant/_wpa_supplicant.conf
2036[17:31:54] <en1gma> i could see with ps aux | grep wpa
2037[17:32:03] <jhutchins_wk> en1gma: That's not a good assumption. GUI settings require that the GUI session be active for them to take effect. The Network Manger GUIs do not write permanent configurations to the static files, they are intended to manage dynamic connections.
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2039[17:32:29] <jelly> en1gma: Network-Manager is weird and probably only sets things up that way if you login with a GUI again. Perhaps you can use nmcli to ask it to enable that config all the time.
2040[17:32:36] <jelly> ("for all the users"?)
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2042[17:32:48] <en1gma> so even when i setup the network from within the gui it dont stay perm in between boots to gui?
2043[17:32:58] <jelly> it ought to do that
2044[17:33:02] <en1gma> it dont
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2046[17:33:17] <jhutchins_wk> NM has had the concept of system-level connections that aren't user dependent, but I'm not sure where that went in development.
2047[17:33:17] <en1gma> :) believe me. i know. been working on this crap for solid 24hrs
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2051[17:33:40] <module000> en1gma: you can check it, `nmcli con show` to see your connections
2052[17:33:42] <en1gma> ok so is there a guide that i can follow that will get me working with wifi
2053[17:33:43] <jelly> second boot and login to gui with the same user ought to give you back the wifi config you did the first time in gui
2054[17:33:53] <en1gma> i used wpa_cli last night
2055[17:33:56] <module000> en1gma: then `nmcli con show <con_name> | grep connection.autoconnect`
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2058[17:34:29] <en1gma> ok will do that command but first i think it wants drivers for my usb adapter. i think i got to get the rt28xx or something
2059[17:34:33] <en1gma> brb
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2071[17:40:14] <pagios> i am in the # shell prompt using the cd
2072[17:40:18] <pagios> what should i do?
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2075[17:41:04] <pagios> update-grub && grub-install /dev/sda1 ?
2076[17:41:38] <pagios> i dont have a command update-grub
2077[17:41:45] <pagios> i see /dev/sda1 2 3 in fdisk -l
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2083[17:43:00] <pagios> SerajewelKS, any idea?
2084[17:43:17] <pagios> it seems i booted into //dev/sda1
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2087[17:43:33] <ikus060> Hello, I'm working on a software and I'm wondering whatt is the best place to put the users logs. I'm aware of /var/log/, but usually the users doesn'T have permissions to write into this directory. So I guess their might be a location under user home. Maybe under /home/user/.local ??
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2090[17:44:32] <greycat> well, ~/.local/share/xorg/ is where X writes its logs
2091[17:44:33] <nix64bit> hello
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2093[17:44:37] <nix64bit> You cannot send messages to #debian-next.
2094[17:44:40] <nix64bit> wtf
2095[17:44:46] <greycat> !debian-next
2096[17:44:46] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2104[17:46:22] <mtn> pagios: to fix debian grub issues, I always use a debian installer go to rescue mode.
2105[17:46:22] <annadane> on OFTC? strange
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2107[17:46:39] <mtn> pagios: grub is installed to the drive, not a partition, so: /dev/sda
2108[17:46:39] <nix64bit> This system does not support OpenGL
2109[17:47:01] <petn-randall> nix64bit: #debian-next is not on this IRC network.
2110[17:47:11] <pagios> mtn, i have logged in into a shell environemnt using the cd
2111[17:47:38] <nix64bit> petn-randall: let me check what happened
2112[17:47:43] <nix64bit> thanks
2113[17:47:43] <pagios> i dont have a grub install command
2114[17:47:58] <pagios> update-grub command not found
2115[17:48:05] <mtn> pagios: do you have a debian install disk?
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2119[17:48:24] <pagios> mtn, i booted from a net install iso cd
2120[17:48:25] <pagios> its a vm
2121[17:48:27] <greycat> !chroot
2122[17:48:28] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
2123[17:48:44] <mtn> pagios: use the rescure mode, as I suggeted
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2125[17:48:51] <pagios> mtn, i did
2126[17:48:56] <greycat> If you're attempting to run update-grub, you probably want to do so after chrooting into your Debian system.
2127[17:48:59] <pagios> and i executed a shell from the resuce mode
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2129[17:49:29] <mtn> pagios: did you choose the correct partition to use?
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2131[17:50:25] <pagios> greycat, mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 i get resource busy
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2133[17:50:47] <greycat> perhaps it's already mounted?
2134[17:50:52] <greycat> perhaps it's the wrong partition?
2135[17:50:52] <pagios> i am in a shell , executed from target environment
2136[17:50:54] <jhutchins_wk> !fixgrub
2137[17:50:54] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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2139[17:51:24] <pagios> i only have sda1 sda2 sda5 in fdisk
2140[17:51:30] <pagios> and boot is from /dev/sda1 *
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2144[17:52:24] <RoyK> pagios: please note that grub then goes to sda, not any of the partitions
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2147[17:52:51] <pagios> yea
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2152[17:53:58] <pagios> alright now it works , the mount /dev/sda1
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2157[17:54:37] <mtn> pagios: using rescue mode, there is no need to mount anything
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2160[17:57:10] <shtrb> Announcing WLinux's availability, Microsoft program manager Tara Raj, called out the wlinux-setup tool, "which allows users to easily set up common developer toolchains, and removes unsupported features like systemd." lol
2161[17:57:20] <shtrb> wrong channel sorry
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2163[17:58:01] <pagios> cant execu chroot /bin/sh exect format error
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2165[17:58:27] <mtn> pagios: using rescue mode, there is no need to use chroot ;)
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2168[17:58:55] <greycat> what, does rescue mode do that all for you?
2169[17:58:59] <pagios> mtn, i went into rescue mode, and it asks me to load a shell
2170[17:59:07] <mtn> pagios: did you choose the correct partition to use?
2171[17:59:14] <pagios> yes /dev/sda1
2172[17:59:23] <pagios> adn i said install grub and it gave an error
2173[17:59:29] <mtn> greycat: yes, it is the easiest way to fix these things, if you have a install disk
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2175[17:59:32] <pagios> should the cd be the same version of debian?
2176[17:59:40] <pagios> the cd is 9 and the debian os is 6
2177[17:59:45] <greycat> what
2178[17:59:46] <apollo13> 6? :D
2179[17:59:54] <pagios> my cd is debian 9 , my os is debian 6
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2181[17:59:59] <pagios> yea :(
2182[18:00:02] <apollo13> also 32 bit os?
2183[18:00:07] <pagios> yes
2184[18:00:08] <pagios> vm
2185[18:00:11] <apollo13> that might or might not explain the exec format error
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2189[18:00:16] <greycat> 32 vs 64 bit would absolutely explain the "exec format error" thing
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2191[18:00:23] <pagios> alright
2192[18:00:30] <pagios> but the iso is a netinstall debain 9 32bit
2193[18:00:40] <pagios> should i use a debian 6 iso ?
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2195[18:01:47] <pagios> or will a debian 9 32bit iso cd work for resucing a debian 6 os 32 bit ?
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2197[18:02:31] <greycat> I can't imagine too many people have ever tried such a thing.
2198[18:02:39] <greycat> Don't be surprised if nobody knows.
2199[18:02:43] <pagios> hehe
2200[18:02:48] <pagios> i will use a cd of debian 6
2201[18:02:48] <apollo13> I'd try a debian 6
2202[18:02:49] <mtn> pagios: should work fine, it just ses up the chroot for you
2203[18:03:00] <apollo13> wouldn't chroot have problems with non-matching glibc etc?
2204[18:03:01] <pagios> i get that format error
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2206[18:03:15] <pagios> when i do chroot /mnt as a last step
2207[18:03:16] <shtrb> anyone around with a Quadro P2000 card can post the lspci for it ? (and if had been able to use hybrid mode)
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2209[18:03:48] <mtn> pagios: heh. no need to use chroot if using rescue mode. as I said before
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2211[18:04:54] <mtn> pagios: replaced-url
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2218[18:08:57] <srged> would USB TP-LINK AC450 work on my debian system ?
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2222[18:10:33] <jhutchins_wk> srged: 1) We don't know what that is, 2) we don't know anything about your system except "debian". 3) There are hardware compatibility databases, but they are notoriously incomplete and unreliable.
2223[18:10:42] <pagios> still Exe format error
2224[18:10:42] <jhutchins_wk> srged: Best bet is to try it and see.
2225[18:10:56] <pagios> mtn, it doesnt work
2226[18:11:02] <pagios> i need to chroot manually and it is not working too
2227[18:11:06] <mtn> pagios: did you choose the correct partition to use?
2228[18:11:18] <pagios> mtn, yes
2229[18:11:24] <pagios> and it gives grub failed to isntall
2230[18:11:30] <pagios> i can only boot from the cd shell
2231[18:11:34] <mtn> pagios: you need to go into rescue mode, then choose the debian partition
2232[18:11:39] <pagios> i did
2233[18:11:43] <pagios> i tried them all
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2235[18:11:46] <pagios> sda1 2 3
2236[18:12:03] <mtn> pagios: you don't know which partition debian is installed to?
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2238[18:12:15] <pagios> it is on /dev/sda1
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2248[18:14:47] <glaucom> lol, i needed install again debian :(
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2252[18:15:46] <glaucom> Uploaded file: replaced-url
2253[18:16:00] <glaucom> i trying change Intel® Ivybridge Mobile to nvidia 740m
2254[18:16:29] <jhutchins_wk> glaucom: Do you have a hybrid system with both GPUs?
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2257[18:17:04] <glaucom> yes, notebook
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2260[18:18:12] <petn-randall> !bumblebee
2261[18:18:12] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. replaced-url
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2263[18:18:42] <pagios> greycat, mtn SerajewelKS the idea is i am getting into the grub loader when i boot debian 6, i selet normal or recovery and both show afterwards a blinking underscore
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2269[18:20:33] <oo_miguel> how can I run a nvidia gtx 2080 on debian stable? Will I need to get the drivers by myself or is there an apt package for that?
2270[18:20:42] <oo_miguel> aah rtx 2080
2271[18:20:54] <annadane> you can install nvidia-detect to see which one you need
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2274[18:21:30] <petn-randall> I don't expect it to run at all on stable, except maybe for 2D acceleration, if at all.
2275[18:21:37] <jhutchins_wk> pagios: That's usually a sign that the bootloader from the MBR can't find the /boot files on the partition it's looking for.
2276[18:21:38] <petn-randall> I mean, it's less than a month old?
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2278[18:22:18] <pagios> jhutchins_wk, how to fix
2279[18:22:31] <jhutchins_wk> pagios: It's possible to use the grub shell to locate the files and boot to the system, then update grub using UUIDs instead of partition numbers.
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2281[18:22:48] <pagios> wow
2282[18:22:51] <pagios> how to do that
2283[18:23:01] <pagios> i can get into a shell using the cd not mounted any partitions
2284[18:23:03] <jhutchins_wk> pagios: I'm afraid I've only done it once or twise in many years, you could try searching the Debian wiki.
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2287[18:24:01] <jhutchins_wk> pagios: This might help: replaced-url
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2289[18:24:05] <oo_miguel> annadane: it says it is not supported by this version
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2291[18:24:39] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: if using the official nvidia driver from their page it should work however right?
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2293[18:24:52] <oo_miguel> I do not expect it to work with nouveau yet
2294[18:24:59] <jhutchins_wk> oo_miguel: The Nvidia pages will say which driver supports what cards.
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2297[18:25:59] <oo_miguel> ok I will get the one from their pages
2298[18:26:01] <oo_miguel> thanks
2299[18:26:27] <n4dir> pagios: what is on the other partitions?
2300[18:26:42] <oo_miguel> it seems I have to exit X in order to do that. thanks again
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2316[18:33:27] <jhutchins_wk> !nvidia
2317[18:33:27] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
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2325[18:37:21] <pagios> n4dir, boot and swap
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2328[18:37:42] <n4dir> and you did mount boot do before the chroot?
2329[18:37:49] <n4dir> do -> too. sorry
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2332[18:38:51] <pagios> yes
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2340[18:44:03] <pagios> would fsck help?
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2344[18:45:54] <n4dir> i was slightly busy and the only thing i understood is "chroot didn't work", missing mount of boot came to my mind as the first thing.
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2350[18:49:11] <en1gma> module00 en1gma: then `nmcli con show <con_name> | grep connection.autoconnect`
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2353[18:49:32] <en1gma> i finally was able to do that with lan cord plugged in and also usb adapter.
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2355[18:49:44] <en1gma> it shows the lan cord as the active device and its green
2356[18:50:08] <en1gma> note: i was not able to connect my wifi usb adapter over wifi to my router from the gui applet yet
2357[18:50:33] <en1gma> right now im just booting up with lan cord connected and usb wifi plugged in. the drivers are working though
2358[18:51:06] <en1gma> gonna be at login screen. prob gonna boot to a really slow gui to see if i can get some kind of wifi connection there first before going to console
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2430[19:33:10] <brenlae> just curious, i am now running debian 9.5, i was wondering if debian buster would be advisable or should i wait for it to become stable?
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2432[19:33:35] <SerajewelKS> !buster
2433[19:33:35] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. replaced-url
2434[19:34:01] <SerajewelKS> it depends how critical this system is, and whether you are willing to submit bug reports when things break
2435[19:34:34] <brenlae> hmm yeah
2436[19:34:39] <brenlae> i like things that
2437[19:34:40] <brenlae> just work
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2439[19:34:49] <n4dir> then stable. and for sure.
2440[19:34:54] <brenlae> thank you :)
2441[19:34:56] <brenlae> bye now :)
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2451[19:36:56] <en1gma> "replaced-url
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2455[19:37:33] <en1gma> it is describing my problem im having and the fix except this part. "Write inside /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf:"
2456[19:37:41] <en1gma> i dont see that directory...
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2463[19:41:19] <en1gma> does debian gnome i386 use networkmanager?
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2465[19:41:59] <greycat> i386 has nothing to do with that question. Installing GNOME brings in network-manager by default, yes.
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2468[19:42:02] <pagios> installed debian 9 from scartch
2469[19:42:07] <pagios> and forgot about debian 6
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2471[19:43:02] <en1gma> then why dont i have "/etc/NetworkManager"
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2474[19:43:32] <en1gma> like it says in the debian wifi guide offical
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2479[19:47:45] <en1gma> wow. why is this so difficult? think i will start with ssh over lan first.
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2486[19:49:53] <n4dir> in those 2 hours or such you could have installed debian from the default installation.iso, install a wm and networkmanager and long be done with the problem.
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2489[19:50:26] <n4dir> iow: not that easy to troublshoot if you used the live isos to install.
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2492[19:50:37] <jhutchins_wk> en1gma: It's possible that file isn't created until you save a configuration. It's possible you're having file permissions issues.
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2494[19:51:04] <greycat> ,file etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
2495[19:51:09] <judd> Search for etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf in stretch/amd64: network-manager: etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
2496[19:51:15] <greycat> should oughta be there...
2497[19:51:33] <n4dir> assuming he has networkmanager installed at all ...
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2499[19:51:45] <greycat> that's certainly something I would check, in his position
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2503[19:53:55] <n4dir> he doesn't seem to want to. As soon someone points him to something, he is out for a while, then starts from scratch again.
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2536[20:11:13] <grobi> i added some minutes before from the link vifon sent and yes i use 1.9.2
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2629[21:04:03] <johnfg> hi folks
2630[21:04:26] * annadane wave
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2632[21:04:30] <johnfg> Running mate, what's the best way to clear out ~/.cache?
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2634[21:05:12] <annadane> uh, by removing it i guess
2635[21:05:18] <annadane> or renaming it if you want to keep the contents
2636[21:05:33] <greycat> I should imagine that anything that needs it will recreate it on demand.
2637[21:05:41] <greycat> That's kinda the whole point.
2638[21:05:43] <annadane> as with most dot files
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2643[21:06:08] <annadane> i need to clean out my stuff too, i have far too much lying around
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2645[21:07:03] <johnfg> Ok, doesn't look like anything's very important, and my HOME is running low.
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2647[21:08:37] <annadane> data hoarding is probably the second most dangerous behind, like, things containing asbestos
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2649[21:08:43] <annadane> because you don't remember what's in the data
2650[21:09:01] <jelly> so then you buy a larger disk.
2651[21:09:08] <annadane> no. bad jelly
2652[21:09:16] <jelly> never have to delete anything
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2657[21:10:18] <n4dir> i rm -r .cache quite often.
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2660[21:14:16] <johnfg> thanks guys!
2661[21:14:18] <johnfg> ttfn!
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2663[21:15:18] <jhutchins_wk> My wife has two computers and three flash drives and network storage and has no idea where the latest copy of the novel she's working on has gone.
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2666[21:16:31] <digdilem> That suck. i deleted a folder containing 108 tv programs I'd recorded to watch last week, and it being on samba was gone forever. (Since turned on versioning and created a trashcan)
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2785[21:57:19] <gijoe3k> Hey folks, im having a bit of trouble with sharing my desktop of debian 9.
2786[21:57:22] <gijoe3k> I have enabled screen sharing under the "sharing" options under gnome
2787[21:57:40] <gijoe3k> but when I attempt to connect using any vnc client under my Windows 7 box i get:
2788[21:57:57] <gijoe3k> "no security type suitable for rfb 3.3 supported"
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2790[21:58:40] <gijoe3k> I have tried all the vnc clients that I can find for windows but to no avail :(
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2794[22:01:04] <jhutchins_wk> gijoe3k: Youor clients are not compatible with gnome's desktop sharing.
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2798[22:01:51] <gijoe3k> Do you know of a windows vnc client that is compatible?
2799[22:02:08] <jhutchins_wk> gijoe3k: Which is the same answer I gave you an hour ago on oftc, along with links for alternative VNC solutions.
2800[22:03:19] <gijoe3k> I realize that but ive been told that VNC is the way to go and performs better the rdp
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2803[22:04:20] <en1gma> ok i pretty much have debian running like i like. im on a very limited system 256MB and just need to boot to console directly instead of booting to the gui login screen
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2805[22:04:57] <en1gma> all the stuff that i need running is avail in a tty when i am at the gui screen already. just need same run level that im at when im at the gui login but i need to be in console
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2807[22:05:14] <Mathisen> why did you install gui at all ?
2808[22:05:19] <n4dir> do as jelly told you 3 hours ago.
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2810[22:05:25] <en1gma> what was it
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2814[22:05:41] <n4dir> type /msg dpkg nodm ; in your irc client. iirc
2815[22:05:49] <en1gma> 3hrs ago i thought i needed wifi
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2819[22:06:20] <n4dir> bad news: irc clients can have logs.
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2821[22:06:27] <en1gma> i have since learned that when the box lan is hooked to my pc lan it destroys the 5ghz through the router
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2823[22:06:47] <en1gma> i think he said just kill the desktop manager
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2828[22:07:14] <en1gma> i dont want to have to kill it. i want it to boot up to console with no attempt at the gui at all to save as much ram as i can
2829[22:07:25] <Mathisen> en1gma, yeah disable it so it dont start @ boot example "systemctl stop gdm" IF you are using gdm
2830[22:07:41] <Mathisen> correction disable not stop
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2832[22:07:55] <en1gma> im using gdm
2833[22:07:59] <Mathisen> then type that
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2838[22:08:12] <Mathisen> sudo systemctl disable gdm
2839[22:08:16] <Mathisen> then reboot
2840[22:08:16] <en1gma> so do i do that from a console/tty while the gui login screen is up?
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2843[22:09:03] <en1gma> ok did the command
2844[22:09:03] <Mathisen> does not mather
2845[22:09:24] <en1gma> wont know if it works as im using ssh over lan to headless box
2846[22:09:33] <Mathisen> it works
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2848[22:09:36] <en1gma> maybe i can tell by looking at mem 'memory'
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2857[22:11:41] <jhutchins_wk> gijoe3k: You will find factoids and links to several VNC packages in the messages from dpkg. If you've closed that window, just /msg dpkg vnc
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2859[22:12:35] <en1gma> "Mem: 241352 70504 6308 4436 164540 157820"
2860[22:12:54] <en1gma> 6MB avail?
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2863[22:13:25] <jhutchins_wk> en1gma: WHat you need to do is change the default systemd target to "multi-user".
2864[22:13:35] <SerajewelKS> en1gma: free != available
2865[22:13:45] <jhutchins_wk> en1gma: Runlevels have never really been a thing in Debian, and systemd obsoletes them anyway.
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2867[22:13:53] <SerajewelKS> en1gma: 6MB is not in use by the system at all
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2870[22:14:38] <jhutchins_wk> en1gma: You can use ps ax to look at what's running.
2871[22:14:41] <SerajewelKS> en1gma: 157MB is used by the kernel for things like the I/O cache, which will automatically be shrunk if processes request more memory. ideally you want the "free" number to be close to zero as that indicates the kernel is using the memory for caching.
2872[22:15:09] <nemo> jhutchins_wk: ps auwxf ! show allll the things ☺
2873[22:15:22] <nemo> (everyone has their fav ps)
2874[22:15:55] <SerajewelKS> memory not in use by the system is wasted memory
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2876[22:15:59] <jhutchins_wk> en1gma: systemctl set-default multi-user.target
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2878[22:16:19] <jhutchins_wk> en1gma: As root or with sudo of course.
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2880[22:16:34] <en1gma> thats some great info
2881[22:16:41] <en1gma> ok will try that now 1 sec
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2884[22:18:11] <en1gma> ok shutting system down now. so would have it made a diff to disable gdm since we switching to multi-user
2885[22:18:12] <SerajewelKS> (interestingly, a too-small I/O cache can cause just as much trouble as swap thrashing. i had a situation where a wordpress server wasn't out of memory but had no swap and the amount of memory demanded by all processes was just under the amount of available memory.)
2886[22:18:39] <SerajewelKS> (but this meant that the system didn't have any memory for I/O caching and so every page hit took seconds to answer as the kernel had to re-read stuff from the disk)
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2889[22:19:21] <SerajewelKS> adding swap actually fixed the issue as the system could push unused memory to swap, freeing up some memory for a bigger I/O cache
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2892[22:20:10] <en1gma> "Mem: 241352 28620 129852 1784 82880 202360"
2893[22:20:18] <jelly> SerajewelKS, but adding RAM would have fixed the issue as well
2894[22:20:18] <en1gma> quite a bit different numbers now
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2896[22:20:36] <en1gma> thanks. gonna save that info
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2899[22:21:10] <SerajewelKS> jelly: of course. but that requires a trip to the data center -- which was eventually done. but adding swap was a nice band-aid until that could be completed.
2900[22:21:38] <SerajewelKS> en1gma: you would see much different numbers from a system that was just rebooted. that clears the I/O cache of course.
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2903[22:21:58] <SerajewelKS> the I/O cache is 82MB now instead of 164MB in your last figures
2904[22:22:07] <en1gma> yea but i did that same 'free' right after a reboot too
2905[22:22:18] <SerajewelKS> the cache will grow and use up that 129MB of free memory as you read things from the disk
2906[22:22:28] <en1gma> ahh
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2909[22:23:29] <en1gma> should have i did a debian net install?
2910[22:23:44] <en1gma> if i knew what i was doing better i probably would have
2911[22:24:01] <SerajewelKS> there is some amount of anticipatory caching (you read the first block of this file, i should pre-read a few blocks ahead and cache those) but most caching is done in reaction to activity (part of this file was read, i will stick it in the cache)
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2913[22:24:43] <SerajewelKS> so no activity -> nothing being added to cache
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2935[22:40:49] <jhutchins_wk> en1gma: Net installs are good if you have a decent connection. You only download what you actually install. Installed is installed though, you hardly ever need to re-install Linux. Well, unless you mix packages from outside the distro/release.
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2964[22:55:24] <OS-27734> Well yeah the machine changed :P
2965[22:55:38] <OS-27734> so need to do it again it was a fun machine
2966[22:55:45] <OS-27734> so no problem :P
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2975[23:02:48] <en1gma> jhutchins_wk if i want to go back to where i had the gnome gui login screen i need to enable both those things i disabled?
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2977[23:03:21] <en1gma> "systemctl set-default multi-user.target" what would this need to be changed back too
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2979[23:03:28] <greycat> graphical.target
2980[23:03:33] <en1gma> ok thanks
2981[23:04:08] <en1gma> "systemctl set-default graphical.target" ? right
2982[23:04:20] <greycat> yes
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2987[23:04:55] <en1gma> k thanks
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3064[23:59:51] <Akuw> hi, what tool is there to create a boot pendrive?
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